#division-universe

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ashen jungle
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Even if their sexuality has been made explicitly clear.

tulip patio
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That someone needs to find another type of game or story then, and the devs shouldn't go out of their way to clarify their baseless theories

tepid ibex
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I mean, I'm not one to jump to conclusions but, you may be lesbian

ashen jungle
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Now now, don't jump to conclusions.

small knot
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Schaffer is such a bro

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That recent comm really does show how much personality and heart that he has and seems like he is really down and ready to help us. I’m glad he finally got woken up

torn shoal
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now i want a division dating sim

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its never clear enough for people that dont even follow the story properly and just think shooting stuff and then at halfway point are like "i dont get it, why we doing this ? whats the point"

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most content creators dont even read any dialogue, they just make build, cause thats what people want

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so aside from ngn, and ahwkster, and this channel, people dont follow lore

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which is understandable to a degree, its a looter shooter, not a jrpg or a datin sim, but still, people just dont understand the story most of the time

ashen jungle
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Lumping everyone who isn't here+2 others into "don't care abot story" is pretty rude.

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I was actualy warned off from joining here back in the day when I mentioned that my focus was on the lore aspects of the game, not so much the shooty+looty parts.

tulip patio
torn shoal
ashen jungle
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Lyfe, don't bother. They haven't stopped bringing up the "date keener" thing, even though it was a throw-away line at the end of a single comm.

tulip patio
tulip patio
ashen jungle
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Make sure that the ping is off when a mod's name is set to red.

small knot
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Wait is bro trying to say that Viper is straight or Bi?

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Bro worrying about the sexuality of a character in a game where the world has gone to hell in a hand basket is wild. There are much bigger issues in game gameplay and lore wise than who viper sleeps next to.

glad spruce
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Not exactly. He was arguing that having comms where a character discuss their personal life feels like a filler to him when said comms involve the Manhunt's story

zenith spruce
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who would win a named rogue agent or a named hunter?

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is one better then the other or is it a 50/50

glad spruce
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It's a 50/50 and it depends on how a Rogue Agent and a Hunter fight their opponent.

fringe mauve
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Ok, so from my understanding each tom clancy story takes place somewhat in it's own universe, reality, whatever, but in wildlands we got a crossover with rainbow six seige, splinter cell, hell even predator, so I guess my question is thus, is The Division in its own universe, or are we going to get ghosts teams popping up at some point, because God i would love to see a ghost team just... go in this type of environment

glad spruce
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The Division is its own universe

fringe mauve
glad spruce
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I like to think in the overall Tom Clancy's universe, the Division does exist, but it's very top secret that no average US person knows about them

fringe mauve
zenith spruce
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whats sam fishers unit

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or the ghosts would they know

fringe mauve
humble jacinth
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Hell
I don't even think the CIA knew about them

fringe mauve
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Either way, you gotta admit, it would be bad ass to see ghosts show up in a final man hunt mission, and just steam roll through the enemy

humble jacinth
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Majority of them would probably be hunters

full grail
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Yeah I feel like ghosts would've ended up as black tusk more than anything

sleek plover
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I was pretty sure kajika was an ex ghost or sth

solemn sentinel
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Ghosts as in from ghost Recon?

zenith spruce
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crazy theory sam fisher was the first hunter and brought in under false instructions then left and has been on the run or he was the first division agent

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crazy i know but it sounds fun also i feel like sam fisher could beat any div agent or hunter or ghost member

full grail
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Lore accurate sam fisher would've killed all of the black tusk by now so I don't think he's in universe

torn shoal
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Maybe he dead from green poison

torn shoal
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it would be funny if thoses silly exotic passive were justified in lore

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i wanna have a com saying "wow this lmg sure does have infinite ammo, i love science"

glad spruce
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I think St.Elmo's Engine's exotic talent would be funnier

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And given what you said, it reminds of Destiny 2 Exotics that has lore tabs that talks about them

gaunt ice
strange rock
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Division 1s gear sets had some lore in their description

gaunt ice
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i think the later exotics down the game's lifespan stopped having lore on them, but stuff like scorpio and chameleon do have explanation on how they work

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not all though, like theres no technological explanation on why regulus just explodes

torn shoal
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division still tries to be somewhat grounded

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at the start of div 2 we kept going that way, trying to get something somewhat close to close futuristic scifi

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and over time writer just said fk it and gave us random stuff lol

tulip patio
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guess chameleon would make sense for adaptive camo but the damage stuff I doubt it can be justified

humble jacinth
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I'll imagine they just work like regular weapons but fancy designs or trinkets

humble jacinth
rigid crescent
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Question, in the division wiki, aaron keeners faction contains black tusks (formerly), when was keener with the Black Tusks?

obsidian jay
glad spruce
full grail
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Yeah he was more using and manipulating them to his own ends

tulip patio
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yeah I don't know if it's exactly correct to classify him like that, at best it was just a trade, not alliance

torn shoal
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keener always done that, using people to his own ends

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there isnt a single person beside theo that he didnt betray at some point or just used to his end

obsidian jay
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Bro blew up our helicopter in div1 without even giving us a chance 😭
I still have a grudge against him

tulip patio
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also that virus attack in Manhattan

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it was to "kill embedded agents" but it killed everyone

torn shoal
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cant wait for people to find out that keener is actually a bad guy even if he did some good

vast agate
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I feel like he's done way more bad than good. I trust him as far as I can throw him.

glad spruce
frosty bluff
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#division-tweets So what do ya’ll think happened at the Capitol building? A green poison outbreak?

glad spruce
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Or a nuclear winter?

torn shoal
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im seeing normal winter tbh

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nuclear winter = no sun for thousands of years

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also the lobo is for bacteriological threat, not nuclear

frosty bluff
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Now that I think of it

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If this were to be DC survival mode, what would the White House BoO gonna look like? Just the gates closed and all staff having been told to evacuate?

tepid ibex
marble dawn
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Could it be a prologue? The surroundings look more worn than a few months of wear, but the tarps throw me off. Why would the people left in washington go out of their way to set something like that up if it were a year into the pandemic?

autumn tundra
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I think that would be a bit tricky, as it wouldn't make sense to take our current characters back in time like that. Would also maybe feel a little odd to jump back and forth around the timeline like that. I guess it could establish that it's not the same character as our current ones, but even that would be a bit odd imo. I do agree the tarp being there is a bit of a headscratcher too, as that indicates people would've a) had to spend the effort putting that up and B) would indicate it's a quarantined area, when it's not currently. Unless the tarp just blew over in the wind from somewhere else 😆

zenith spruce
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random idea what if we go back intime to stop teh virus

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but keener or the lady we are trying to stop or cal does and the viirus is stopped but they take over part of teh country

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stupid idea i know

torn shoal
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story wise its 99% of the time the work around of lazy people

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if your story isnt centered around time travel, you dont put time travel in your story

zenith spruce
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agreed

glad spruce
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There is no time travel and anyone who believes the teaser image is set in the past is delusional

torn shoal
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We are just approaching the next winter, that's it guys, stop believing weird stuff

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There is no way we talking about time travel or nuclear winter

frosty bluff
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Alright.. no nuclear winter... no time travel... whats next on the list... uhh... Oh! Aliens

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😱

humble jacinth
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I'm surprised there no follow up on the lore after the raids

full grail
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The raids were kind of enclosed, stories end with the players beating the raid

late void
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Is it possible the tarp just blew up there during a storm and got stuck?

ashen jungle
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See, I was thinking it's a "what if" scenario, where the Outcasts or whomever won.
But Kettle has it: windy tarp.

tulip patio
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could also be it's a Descent simulation type of thing to train us for the coming winter or something, the simulation aspect could be a way for them to bring something like survival and have it make sense too

ember temple
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I'm hoping it's more like what was in ac shadows with the changing seasons. As soon as I saw that in ac, thought it'd work perfectly for div. Although didn't think we'd see it til div 3

sleek plover
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Children indoctrinated: We deserve to die because we were safe and healthy while the saints(outcasts) suffered

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Statue of Liberty replaced with emmeline shaw

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Churches worshipping virus as the great equalizer

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And "The Scar" controlling Disneyland

tulip patio
torn shoal
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Seeing how unpopular the descent mode is, def not, or at least not in this state

tulip patio
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how descent is seen is irrelevant, one of the issues with survival coming to 2 was that it is summer, would not have the same mechanics

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but a simulation can fix that, in terms of lore

torn shoal
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yeah, but descent is bad

glad spruce
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Bad or not, the audio logs we got from it are still relevant

ashen jungle
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@torn shoal Irrelevant to this channel.

torn shoal
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isnt it relevant to what next lore content we might get ?

ashen jungle
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Your pesonal opinion on the quality of a mode has nothing to do with the direction that div lore takes, funnily enough.

torn shoal
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obv not, but popularity does

ashen jungle
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If that was the case, they wouldn't be seemingly hinting at Survival.
Now, back to the hard lore talk.

obtuse chasm
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if frank castle also known as punisher suddenly stumble upon into the division universe do you guys think he survives?

torn shoal
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if he doesnt have the usual plot armor, not a chance, he gonna die fast, either from the flu, or lack of support

storm axle
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What damaged capitol's dome?

torn shoal
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no info for now, we can only speculate

storm axle
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AA guns?

torn shoal
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i mean half the capitol is destroyed but so is the rest of the city, so at this point anything could be the reason

full grail
glad spruce
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Finished transcripting Brooklyn: Bridge comms.

true fox
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right

glad spruce
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Finished transcripting Brooklyn: Friendly comms

ashen jungle
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This channel is about discussing the lore, you're looking for #lfg-pc

glad spruce
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You'd think some people watch where they're posting

torn shoal
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most people dont even watch big signaling posts

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and even when they do, they like "i dont understand what that mean"

toxic needle
torn shoal
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this aint preschool anymore, you gotta act like a normal human being

toxic needle
# torn shoal this aint preschool anymore, you gotta act like a normal human being

Yet u can't seem to communicate like a normal human being.it was as simple as what Rivens commented to get past it. Not ur snarky silly comment. Again go read the channel info. Rather than posting on lfg as it's not really lfg for anything in particular more as a simple favour I assumed it'd be best here. Yet u decided to get ur nickers in a twist darling. Just relax and go have some food you'll feel better.... I hope. Unless it's just ur ugly personality that's shining through. Peace ✌️

sick lantern
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it's spelt "knickers"

toxic needle
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Wanna correct my "u" too?

sick lantern
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Not really

ashen jungle
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Everyone: shut up.

glad spruce
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All 9 Brooklyn: History comms transcripted.

obtuse chasm
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i still dont get it how did aaron kenner still alive didnt we kill him in nyc? (still confuse about it though even tough i played it)

torn shoal
obtuse chasm
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where they create fake scene

torn shoal
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more like theo's decoy

glad spruce
obtuse chasm
storm axle
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Are our agent mute? They never speak and we even have emotes with words in sign language

torn shoal
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No but they have the Gordon Freeman syndrome

ashen jungle
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I like to think they are, but I have a feeling that yeah, it's a case where we're meant to be responding as the player, not ingame.

marble dawn
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Faye talked about the agent as 'silent, but always listening' or something among those lines.
I like to think they just don't talk much when 'in the zone' during missions 😁

torn shoal
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could be funny if at some point we got the agent to talk to say something that indicate they dont talk cause they dont care they just got into shd cause they got good dental care plan in the first place

ashen jungle
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I always assumed that eventually it would pull a Destiny 2, and have us say like, a line.
They've already done the setup beforehand with making jokes about us being quiet, also like des2.

marble dawn
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or have some new character point out the agent's muteness only for manny or kelso to chime in saying they get really talkative after a few drinks

vast agate
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I talk poop to the screen all the time. In my head, they just ignore it.

storm axle
glad spruce
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We're more like the strong, silent type

glad spruce
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I'll be a little late in summarizing this week's comms, so watch that space.

glad spruce
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Descent comm 94, The Strategist.

||Theo Parnell and Jessica Kandel discuss about Harlan Lloyd, aka The Strategist. Kandel saw him as nothing more than a paper pusher, though Parnell argues Lloyd knew what he was doing, as he tried to create a vaccine using an symptomatic carrier, even suggesting Donovan Tower who was stationed at Nelson (probably a medical center) to do the same approach.||

||Kandel counters the argument, saying those people were either monsters or idiots, and asks Parnell if he ever heard about the NSA's Detention Center. Parnell recalls correctly that it involved an asymptomatic carrier who infected the whole center, then the True Sons and tortured that carrier to develop a cure.||

||Kandel's point is that people like the True Sons, Lloyd, and Tower, tried to create a vaccine through "Ends justifies the means". Kandel refuses to torture people, just so she can develop a cure.||

torn shoal
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well kandel is right

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cant wait for peopel to say "yeah but to save people lives torture is fine" and completely miss the point

glad spruce
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Manhunt comm 5, The Traitor.

||Manny Ortega and Bardon Schaeffer discuss about the ECHO we recovered from the end of Y6S3, where Schaeffer is surprised that President Ellis willingly gave the clearance to Faye. He admits that he never liked "Chickenhawk", but still respects the fact that he tried to do the right thing to fix the mess he created.||

||Manny was puzzled for a bit, though Schaeffer retorted that Ellis was a Speaker of the House, who made a deal with the devil. Manny insists that Natalya Sokolova is not the devil, which led to Schaeffer asking him what's the greatest trick the devil ever played.||

||Manny thought the answer was Capitalism, but Schaeffer corrected him and mentioned Lucifer, God's fallen son, where the parallel is that Nat took her father's kingdom, before he could replace her.||

||This made Manny realize he was referring to Nat's dead half-brother, Felix. When Schaeffer asked about Felix's status, Manny confirms that Division agents were tricked to kill Felix and "kill" Bridgette Douglas before they got to Faye.||

||Schaeffer asks Manny if he still thinks Nat is not the devil. Manny believes that, saying that she's a traitor, and traitors can be held accountable or killed.||

torn shoal
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well manny is right too here

glad spruce
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Yeah. At the end of the day, Natalya is a human, no matter how she fashions herself beyond that

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With NGN busy with life and raising kids, it feels like I'm carrying a big weight

torn shoal
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if you want i can make youtube videos to pick up where ngn left but imma def butcher 80% of the words with my accent

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pick your poison lmao, more work to do or your ears bleeding

remote tree
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Good luck holding Nat accountable for her actions

torn shoal
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well, we can, we def are outmatch with bt as a whole, but we only need to be successful once in taking her down, she has to be successful everytime to survive

remote tree
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I like to believe the memento is

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I run it with a hunter’s fury build, which as much as people say otherwise, Hunter’s is what the Hunters use

glad spruce
torn shoal
small knot
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This weeks manhunt audio sadly confirmed something I didn’t wanna hear, ||viper is dead since manny talked about how we were tricked into killing her by Nat. So sadly I think viper is dead dead ||

torn shoal
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didnt we had a bet about this ?

glad spruce
sweet crypt
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I took the quadcopter being named after her as confirmation.

glad spruce
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Yeah, I doubt that's enough confirmation

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Honestly, I could ask Lauren Stone, the narrative director for the game, but I doubt she'll answer to a tweet, much less a DM

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Well, I sent a DM to Lauren Stone about Viper and her status. Doubt I get an answer, and I'm more likely to get blocked by her lol

torn shoal
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Unless you're disrespectful, no reason to block you I think, so idk if she gonna take the time to search the answer

ashen jungle
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As this conversation is clearly meant for a PM, let's move it on over.

glad spruce
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Well, I did get some answers from Lauren.

That's all I will say here.

ashen jungle
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I'm going to count that as datamining.

glad spruce
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My lips are 🤐

sweet crypt
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Thats cool that she responded

glad spruce
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Yeah, I'm geeked about it ;D

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Anyways, your ol'Hawkster needs his sleep.

Catch y'all tomorrow

torn shoal
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im curious now

humble jacinth
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I wonder if our agent was being tested during hidden alliances instead of Jack

glad spruce
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It's possible.

No way Bonney was gonna win

cold bramble
humble jacinth
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Cuz why would they allow Bonney to have all this manpower
Plus our agent was being watched more then Bonney

sick lantern
# humble jacinth If they were hunter material

if you die to the next Hunter in the tanker manhunt mission, the quote is “You should’ve let us recruit you.”
so yes that was implied
even though the Hunters never actually made any offer of recruitment herp de derp

humble jacinth
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Oh, really?

torn shoal
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yeah the "surprise" hunters in actual missions (not open world) have a special interaction, if you die to them you dont get to fight them after respawn, just a normal wave of npc, you only get 1 shot

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like on coney island or stranded tanker

sudden mortar
glad spruce
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They sure have a funny way of displaying it

topaz egret
glad spruce
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Uhhh

sudden mortar
glad spruce
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Pinging by accident, I'd imagine

topaz egret
ashen jungle
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Well tagging a user that you could reasonably mistake for a bit is a decent reason.

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Just to clarify: there is no ANNA bot here, and tagging the ISAC one does nothing, but is also not suggested.

topaz egret
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Like I said I'm not sure why it tagged that user I clicked on the comment I was replying to, clicked reply, wrote said reply, then hit send and then after I exited the app and only saw the mistake when that user repliedto me .... No Worries ladies and gents. It happens I'll make sure my crappy android doesn't do something so colasally stupid ever again... Lmao..

torn shoal
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be nicer to androids

sleek plover
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I wonder if any of the New York Pizzamasters survived

torn shoal
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prob not

glad spruce
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I mean, the Green Poison was made to kill 95% of the human population, right?

So I can't imagine any New York pizza masters have survived ground zero.

Hell, we can barely keep the Pentco Power Plants stable

crystal needle
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Who is the cabal?

sick lantern
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some illuminati

glad spruce
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Shadow organization that Natalya is a member of.

crystal needle
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U say cabal I think of command and conquer

crystal needle
cold bramble
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I need to start paying attention to the back story 😂

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I only really pay attention to what we get from missions. Like cutscenes and dialogue. Missing so many comms from decent or whatever it’s called haha

glad spruce
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I checked the Manhunt menu. HVT 1 is available after Scout 7

sudden mortar
glad spruce
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||Doubt it. Unless someone managed to datamine it||

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And in wiki stuff, I've transcripted all 16 Brooklyn: Hostile comms.

glad spruce
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I have a fan-made idea in my head for a Black Tusk archetype whose voice lines may or may not be inspired by Halo Infinite's Brute Chieftains

sleek plover
ashen jungle
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@glad spruce No fan-fics, thanks.

glad spruce
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Ok

orchid crown
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Up to which manhunts should I do before I start B4B

glad spruce
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Up to Y6S3

glad spruce
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I'm sure some people have figured it out already. But considering our Manhunt scouts objectives involved us securing areas and disrupting enemy activities across D.C, I'd reckon the whole point of them is to ensure extracting our deep-cover asset goes as smooth as possible.

true fox
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I found it a little strange because

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Different from the previous two...

glad spruce
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Yeah, Y6S2/Y6S3 was about following the breadcrumbs.

Although, Y6S3 mostly involved us learning the truth about Faye Lau , the Cassandra mission, and what "Key" that Schaeffer is supposed to unlock.

tulip patio
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I do like how they're different thematically at least, that's a nice touch

true fox
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Very strange that the vast majority of you aren't giving story feedback in the channel below... I'm still writing something, I had to create a second character to go over and spot the hidden changes again...

humble jacinth
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I wonder what's the story behind us fighting in the conflict maps

glad spruce
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It's basically us securing different areas across DC from the Rogues

ashen jungle
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@true fox Pardon?

glad spruce
ashen jungle
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@glad spruce Drop the smug attitude, people interact with different things in different ways.

glad spruce
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Sorry. Won't happen again

true fox
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But there's almost nothing there—I found it strange, it seems like everyone gave up.

glad spruce
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In all seriousness, for anyone who kept up with the lore, there's nothing much to talk about atm.

We know how we can hear Black Tusk over the comms. We know our mission against Black Tusk and the Hunters is about.

We know how Cleaners and Rikers managed to cause a reign of terror on Brooklyn

And we know that our mission this season involves us securing areas to extract our deep cover asset, so not much to talk about.

Hell, I'll gladly answer people's questions if they want.

But for the most part, my job here involves summarizing the weekly Descent comms for those who aren't able to catch up.

And the weekly Manhunt comms for those who don't bother

true fox
glad spruce
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Hmm, maybe a series of comms about the current status of Division agents across the country could be a good idea.

torn shoal
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Beside "this part is good and this one is bad", what feed back you wanna give to the story that almost nobody cares about + is inconsistent in the first place

glad spruce
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Also, I'm pretty sure most people would agree that having fully playable Legacy Manhunts is a better way for lapsed/new players to catch up on the story

torn shoal
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Lately the story took a turn that officially said "fk it now we aim for completely wack stuff, cause it's fun/easy to understand"

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Most player dont care about the lore, they wanna shoot stuff

glad spruce
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Sure

torn shoal
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I wish we had a full fledged story with important stuff but the game doesnt allow it

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Writers atm are doing what they can with the limited tools they have

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What feed back can I bring beside "let the writers do whatever they want for once"

glad spruce
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Doesn't help there's people acting like the story is trying to redeem Keener.

patent narwhal
patent narwhal
glad spruce
ashen jungle
patent narwhal
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a lot of people quit after beating WoNY so coming from keener wants to genocide new york to SteamHappySteamHappySteamHappy yay we're working with keener and theo now and they're telling us what to do is such an extreme gap that you're left wondering why the hell this is happening and why is keener "good" now

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it's jarring enough that he's alive (even if the explanation makes sense) but the step from being alive to seemingly being "good" is wayyyyy bigger than him just being alive

ashen jungle
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It's even more than that. Going from the end of div1 where Keener was talking about selling bio-weapons to the highest bidder, to him basically being Thanos-lite in WONY to us giving him a high-five at that Manhunt is a weird series of events for the average person.

patent narwhal
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I cant lie theo's line about how "we don't do that anymore" when it comes to bio warfare for seemingly no reason is as dumb as kelsos line in the start of WoNY about how it could happen anywhere

ashen jungle
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I might've missed it, but is there ever an explanation about what happened at the start of WONY, with them gassing that base?

glad spruce
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Frankly, Natalya's Black Tusk and Cal's Hunters are a bigger danger than what Keener and whatever remains of his team

patent narwhal
ashen jungle
glad spruce
glad spruce
ashen jungle
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Wait, so every person at that base was a Hunter, or are we meant to just see the civvies there as acceptable casualties?

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Because I am not okay with that.

glad spruce
patent narwhal
glad spruce
ashen jungle
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"Keener" described it as wiping Manhattan clean, that doesn't sound like it's a precision hit.

patent narwhal
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

ashen jungle
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That sounds an awful lot like what the True Sons embody, if you catch my deliberately vague meaning.

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don't use the H-word, but I mean, it's implied.

patent narwhal
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also the whole thing about hunters at city hall as you've admitted isn't even real story 😭

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I don't get why the DLCs have some of the coolest ideas but also the lowest of low story writing at points

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I'll NEVER be over faye saying at the start of WoNY we should've known keener was building a bio weapon like what the hell are you talking about

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he couldn't have made it less clear

ashen jungle
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I wouldn't go that far, it just feels a little more like it's focused on putting the new story out, and they'd rather wipe out what came before.
As a writer: I fully understand the urge to do that.

patent narwhal
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the only way he could have was by mailing you progress updates explaining the process all the time 😭 how did you only realize this after coney island of all places

ashen jungle
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I get not wanting to animate new scenes every time as that costs money and all that, but the old method of comic slide-show panels that games used to do would work well here, I feel.

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For a hilariously bad example, I can highly recommend the Fight Club game (yes it existed)

patent narwhal
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brooklyn doesn't hinge on it as much but I feel like WoNY hinges on either us or the enemy being comically stupid to the point of being so out of character that it takes away from the story for a lot of events to happen

glad spruce
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Yes.

And right now, I'm more concerned about Nat and her schemes than Keener's past crimes.

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It's clear that not even Schaeffer likes Keener, despite being the mastermind of the Rogues grand plan

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And yet, Schaeffer is working with us to put an end to Black Tusk and its network

patent narwhal
tulip patio
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I think them having people run through the older stories is good, would make more sense but I feel that it would be good for them to maybe somehow make the previous seasons more compact

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so a new player still has the chance to catch up in a meaningful way, but not waste so long dragging through the old stuff

patent narwhal
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it'd be a very tough balance to get right I'd imagine because it can't be too long but it also can't be too short & overwhelming dropping however many comms at once

tulip patio
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yeah I would go for multiple comms at once though in any case, even if 2-3, spread over like 7-8 objectives, not too long but at least somehow related to the theme

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and yeah agreed on Brooklyn, it gave me the impression there was a measure of trust or at least peace with the Rikers, but going by their previous actions I would never trust that

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so all that surprise at the killers doing killer things was a bit funny

glad spruce
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I don't know if I'd call it a surprise.

patent narwhal
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at least with the true sons and captain lewis we could somewhat trust them because they took steps to build trust but for the rikers and cleaners its been WE HATE EVERYTHING YOU STAND FOR AND WANT YOU DEAD since like minute 1 why would you ever be surprised at an attack especially MONTHS in 😭

tulip patio
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not sure if surprise is best term, but I think they should have expected it

patent narwhal
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yeah it's not a surprise whatsoever but hoskins sure acts shocked as hell in a lot of missions that an attack could even possibly happen

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it's the problem with faye in the WoNY comms just presented at the forefront of the DLC

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you're in a job where you basically have to be alert 24/7 365 days a year after being activated and then you just go yeah I'm just gonna think we're safe and be super lax about defense in a still active warzone because ?????

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for a random settlement leader SURE it could make sense but for a SHD agent it makes no sense whatsoever

tulip patio
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yeah I'd sort of get it if the biggest threat around was rioters

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but you have the cleaners that are ideologically quite crazy and the rikers that are quite sadistic

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but in any case, all-in-all, this DLC was quite great, I expected less but got impressed

glad spruce
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Anyways, tomorrow's the sixth scout and the 95th Descent comm.

So I should get ready to collect them and summarize them as soon as possible.

torn shoal
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im still waiting for the "well achktually i played you like a fool i was always evil"

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but there is still no sign of it happenning any time soon

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like theo saying "we dont do that anymore" when talking about eclipse like "its one off genocide attempt, give me a break, who never tried to do that in their life"

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the zeppellin also was aesthetically pleasing and fun to destroy, but story wise its useless

patent narwhal
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it also makes no sense for the black tusk whatsoever

tulip patio
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and the Manhattan plan never made sense to me, reset one part of New York, when all of it is obviously taken over to what exactly?

torn shoal
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also hunters are everywhere not just new york

tulip patio
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yes

patent narwhal
torn shoal
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at some point we gotta just say the story doesnt make any sense and there is no feedback to give

tulip patio
patent narwhal
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hype moments & aura writing fails when the hype moments & aura make so little sense that it takes you out of the experience

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can't wait to see what the next big scary completely impractical nonsensical threat is

glad spruce
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Out of everything, the Zeppelin is over the line?

patent narwhal
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yes

torn shoal
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tbh yes

patent narwhal
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the zepplin stands out due to how remarkably stupid it is

tulip patio
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Theo doesn't seem alltogether gone or evil, personally if I had to decide I'd have kept Keener dead and made us reach out to Theo, or him to us, to salvage some parts of the rogue network's efforts against BT

glad spruce
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It's a zeppelin.

torn shoal
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its big and useless

patent narwhal
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thats why its stupid

glad spruce
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Yet you act like it's the end of the world

patent narwhal
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I act like it's an extremely stupid thing to add to the story

torn shoal
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its not only the zeppelin, its everything going on the same stupid direction

glad spruce
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Uh-huh

patent narwhal
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zeppelins have always been pointless and it comes off as an attempt to do razorback but bigger and scarier

torn shoal
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the zeppelin is just the most obvious and stupid one

tulip patio
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the boss Marauder with the new weapons would have made more sense as the actual enemy imo

glad spruce
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Next, you wanna tell me that Black Tusk are our allies and we should support them

patent narwhal
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sure man

torn shoal
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litterally marauders are more effective than zeppelin

patent narwhal
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^^^^^^^^^

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why not just send one marauder with firebombs and flatten the place 😭

torn shoal
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why not just mortar the place

glad spruce
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It's a fkin zeppelin.

Not the end of the world

patent narwhal
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the bridge sucks at defense you could wipe it out so easy

torn shoal
patent narwhal
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it's an extremely stupid part of the story

glad spruce
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You act like its very existence is giving you an ulcer

tulip patio
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the weapons on it seems like a sort of railgun, ptentially much more dangerous than miniguns and even rockets, maybe boosts its size and add more weapons on it, and that would DEFINITELY be a realistic threat

torn shoal
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its the shark jump of the division

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litterally when it poped on screen i thought "ok so we just dont give a f now"

glad spruce
true fox
patent narwhal
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just because someone disagrees on the story doesn't mean they're thinking it's the end of the world

torn shoal
glad spruce
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Honestly, I'm getting tired of being constantly insulted for being invested in the story

torn shoal
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nobody is insulting you ?

tulip patio
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I have my gripes with the story but I am not insulting you over it

torn shoal
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you can like the story, even if its bad, i like bad movies too, its not an insult, we just talk about the story and its flaws

patent narwhal
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there's a big difference between being invested and acting like anyone who disagrees with your view on the story thinks that not only does the story suck but you suck as well by extension

torn shoal
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the division is def on the part of "stupid story but fun gameplay if you dont look too much into it" of the spectrum

tulip patio
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visually speaking, the Brooklyn missions to me are even better than the Manhattan missions, so logic or not, that part they really nailed

glad spruce
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I think investing into whether a story is realistic is a waste of time

torn shoal
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not all games need a good story, but if we talk about story, we gotta be objective about it

torn shoal
ashen jungle
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Very much disagree with that.
I dislike aspects of the current story, but I don't think that all of the games story is bad.

patent narwhal
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it's not that it's realistic or not it's that the story is becoming rapidly out of character

tulip patio
patent narwhal
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yeah on my first run it's REALLY cool to see a zeppelin but on the second run it's like wait why would the BT who have the capability to just bomb the hell out of places using mortars and rocket launchers use this for this purpose

true fox
tulip patio
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this isn't a far future game or a game with paranormal elements where you can write off details more easily, so people observe the inconsistencies more because the game is of that nature

torn shoal
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in story there is the willing suspension of disbelief, story doesnt have to be realistic for you to be invested in it, and the division clearly throwed that out the windows in the first game, but it was consistent in its writing
in div 2 the consistency clearly was throwed out too

glad spruce
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I'll be sure not to share with you guys my writing when it's all said and done

torn shoal
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in a story were magic exist, i wont say "its unrealistic cause magic doesnt exist", but i want a rule set that does make it interesting instead of just "poof magic spell and im saved"

ashen jungle
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If it's a fan-fic, this isn't the channel for it anyway.

torn shoal
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the division is def not realistic, but it does need to be consistent

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and right now its all but consistent

tulip patio
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yeah it's not realistic, but it's very close to realism

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I would say that's one aspect that makes it unique, it's very grounded overall to many other games like this

patent narwhal
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it's realistic like how siege or battlefield/cod are you just have to squint your eyes enough to go yeah sure that makes sense I can see that happening/being a thing

torn shoal
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you can have a full fantasy story very grounded, thats unrelated

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just dont take your public for stupid people, and write as if they had a brain to think about it

tulip patio
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well I mean grounded as in it's like a variation of our world, there's tech but it's not far fetched and it's in our present times

torn shoal
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its like thoses cop movies where the detective has to circle the name of the killer 5 times to connect the dot, as if we were that much stupid to not be able to do it on our own

tulip patio
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so we expect it to work by our rules and the characters to act by how they were written, the Zeppelin makes little tactical sense compared to using artillery or something like that

ashen jungle
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Drib can attest to this from the edit log for messages: some people are that dumb.
Lots of people.

patent narwhal
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hell thinking on it now as outlandish as the hovercraft are it still makes more sense for them to take one down the east river and bomb them from there 😭

torn shoal
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good story arent remembered cause they work on dumb people, but because they were interesting and didnt think the reader was dumb

glad spruce
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Okay, so from my understanding of this talk, is that you guys wanted The Bridge destroyed?

ashen jungle
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That is the most intro-to-philosophy answer I've ever read.

tulip patio
torn shoal
patent narwhal
ashen jungle
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This may have been answered already in the story, but is there any reason given why Marauder Drones are suddenly being made elsewhere, when they're from DARPA originally?

torn shoal
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black tusk being the most powerful faction make sense story wise, they have the numbers, the weapons, the connections, etc
if you then act like they cant do anything, then you break immersion

ashen jungle
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We see them in development at the lab.

tulip patio
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I assumed the prototype was made at DARPA and BT bought it out and made their own factories for it

glad spruce
tulip patio
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like with the dogs

patent narwhal
tulip patio
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and the Marauders make sense, they're big and bulky yes, but quite good for urban combat, can fit many weapon types and it fits their mechanized combat tactics

ashen jungle
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The tech was developed at DARPA, like the drones/turrets, etc, etc.
So BT just stole the design I guess?

tulip patio
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stole or bought

glad spruce
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Okay, but the Rikers gained the upper hand on the Bridge attack because their leader was a former member and knew its automated defenses inside and out

ashen jungle
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I assumed they just took it when they broke in originally.

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That's why there's 2 Marauders during the OG mission.

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And a giant Turret that I am still waiting for.

torn shoal
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anyway, all of that to say, there isnt much feedback to give story wise

tulip patio
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well if we count the ones appearing around DC on patrol and the mission ones, I think they definitely can manufacture them, also considering Natalya was able to bid on the AI tech means she probably had access to acquiring this sort of tech too

ashen jungle
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Your feedback isn't necessary, and in most cases: feedback from just anyone is detrimental to the story.
What people say they want is rarely what is needed.

torn shoal
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also very true

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you need writers feedback, that way more useful

glad spruce
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Also, the fact that a large percent of the Division's story is told in flashbacks through the form of audio logs

torn shoal
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cutscenes cost money

tulip patio
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I think it's not always good to take player's feedback word to word, but usually you can see an overall like or disdain about certain parts of the game, so they can go from there

ashen jungle
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Some kind of assertion that our playable-character isn't the actual main character would go a long way to helping out here.
I'm going to use Darktide as an example, as it's my obsession lately. But in that story: you aren't the MC, you're just another face.

torn shoal
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i mean at some point, you gotta acknowledge who's your playerbase

tulip patio
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yeah you're part of a rare group of people who survive there because I think canonically most die, but it makes the story easier when it's not your character having to be in the middle of it

torn shoal
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and i dont think most div players really either care or are interested in this

glad spruce
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I think the fact that BFB's story referred to us as The D.C Agent a few times is pretty neat

ashen jungle
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Every time we get called the "Sherriff", I do picture us in a kids Halloween costume, complete with plastic hat and gun.

glad spruce
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For my agent, I call her Tempest

torn shoal
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i used to cosplay zorro when i was a kid

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i thought he was more interesting than playing sheriff

tulip patio
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well the original Sheriff thing was Manny's idea and it sort of stuck because we do kinda act like one lol

ashen jungle
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This is probably a cultural thing, but I never understood the cowboy appeal.

torn shoal
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cmon, dont you find people that wash once a year appealing ?

tulip patio
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well the wild west took a sort of light-mythological aspect

ashen jungle
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My countries most famous outlaw was too dumb to wear leg armour and subsequently: got shot in the knees.
The shine has been somewhat taken off them.

tulip patio
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so it makes sense, folk myth that stuck around

ashen jungle
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google "ned kelly" if you want a laugh

tulip patio
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it's all about that gunslinger that fights crime, wins against the odds and saves the town sort of story

glad spruce
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At the end of the day, I'm invested in the Division 2's story and nothing will change my mind on thatm

torn shoal
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i mean, good for you, if you enjoy it you shouldnt let anyone ruin your fun

tulip patio
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well none of what we say should change that, if it's entertaining that's what counts

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and while I nitpick it I still like to keep up with it too

humble jacinth
torn shoal
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yeah we just wished it was taken more seriously by the writers

ashen jungle
tulip patio
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well most outlaws were kinda stupid lmao, looking for the easy way into wealth

ashen jungle
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our biggest rebellion: most went home and got drunk. Fills you with patriotic pride, that does.

tulip patio
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ours was a bit more bloody lmao

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overall, while to me it has flaws, it is a bit more difficult to write a totally grounded and realistic story in a game that's meant to go on and on, so I kinda get it they have to give you that visual wow even if it might break some immersion to those of us invested in the story, because it's still a game at the end of the day

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it's also not the worst out there because it didn't give itself too many excuses like magic/paranormal/far future science fiction, so it's a bit more limited in some ways

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so while a the zeppelin might not make most sense, it's not like they came up with a Black Tusk mecha or something

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just hope they don't go overboard with the new strand about the fakes

glad spruce
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I think they already opened Pandora's box about deepfakes with Descent simulation program being a thing

torn shoal
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tbh i would have prefered a fully fledged mech

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like go all the way with gundam/evangelion references

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it would still be stupid, but the wow factor would just erase that

tulip patio
ashen jungle
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Mechs are both fairly reslistic for the near future, and mostly impractical as it still requires an actual person.

glad spruce
torn shoal
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bonus points if they go for the titanfall 2 mechs

tulip patio
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not sure about mechs, the world seems more so going towards aerial drones nowadays

ashen jungle
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Autonomous drones are almost certainly going to be the future in the story, I mean, ANNA has already been added in.

torn shoal
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we already have drones tbh, marauders, etc

tulip patio
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a mech would just be a more dangerous and flexible tank, but drones already provide a big danger to tanks

ashen jungle
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Exactly, so why go backwards?

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Mechs are silly, inherently. I like Aliens as much as anyone else, but I do not see them being a part of div2's enemy design.

torn shoal
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yeah titans/mechs are a fun thing, but they def are unrealistic af, they exist only for the wow factor

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but i understand they are a pain to animate/create/design/etc

tulip patio
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what role the zeppelin would have fit better is a mobile command center or making it somehow like a command center for stations on the ground, not for direct combat or anything

torn shoal
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its no coincidence most artists that take commission refuse mech commissions (and furry but thats another topic)

glad spruce
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Some artists do mech commissions or draw mechs.

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I couldn't help but notice in my last few runs with Refinery mission, the Warhound Violet, does barking sounds

torn shoal
glad spruce
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I recently paid an expensive comm for a character sheet.

Mainly for the sci-fi armor design.

#

Anyways, back to discussing Div lore

glad spruce
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Manhunt comm 6, The Cyclops.

||Manny and Schaeffer discuss the code names, particularly Faye Lau's codename at the time, in which Schaeffer tells him not to call her The Cyclops.||

||Manny tries to make the difference between Faye Lau Cassandra and Kelso Cassandra, only to give up and admit he hates these codenames. Schaeffer agrees, calling them the worst.||

||Manny then asks why he puts up with them, so Schaeffer answers that as much as he hates the code names, he concedes that Keener was right about how necessary they are, as a way to not let Nat know they're up to.||

||Doing that clandestine stuff, taking down the powers that be... Code names are necessary. But as Schaeffer said, the codenames Keener and his Rogues came up with just suck||

||Manny then makes a dad joke about how "Glasses" is too on the nose, which amused Schaeffer, though suggested him to dial back the dad jokes by 15% as he's not a dad yet.||

glad spruce
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Descent comm 95, Tower.

||Theo Parnell and Jessica Kandel discuss Donovan Tower, where Kandel mentions that Tower is not a doctor. Parnell asks if he's a soldier, though Kandel corrects him that Donovan was a PMC, private security for Nelson. A gun for hire. And the rudest mofo she ever had the displeasure of talking to when being asked about updates on the BSAVs||

sudden mortar
glad spruce
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In fairness, we haven't been called Sheriff for a very long time

glad spruce
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At first, I thought ||Nelson was the new name for Silver Creek.||

But from the way ||Kandel describes it, Nelson sounds more like a company than a town.||

rich lark
#

Today I learnt that the dangerous Arron keener is a stock Trader

glad spruce
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Was a stock trader

tulip patio
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I was listening to some Reign of Fire comms, and Summers was mentioned on the list of people having access, but from the whole list, Manny, Kelso, Lewish and Summers, he's the only minor character

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but the comms seem to imply Lewish might turn, not Summers, but still and interesting tidbit

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this talks about how a cook was apprehended, I wonder if Summers was similarly caught and coerced into this, or maybe forced?

frosty bluff
#

I was thinking that Summers might've been converted when Black Tusk raided the White House

tulip patio
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it's possible, I assume we might get some info on it or speculation from the season's audio logs

final fulcrum
tepid ibex
ashen jungle
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I know the difference is subtle, but it is there.

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yeah there it is, paraphrased: "as a former Futures Trader, Keener always believed he was the smartest man in the room".

frosty bluff
glad spruce
torn shoal
gaunt ice
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yall think Keener saw a dime of that investment before the flu?

ashen jungle
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It's noted that he lost all his money.

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Which is my head-canon reason for him doing the Manhattan thing, if it was actually him that is.

torn shoal
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reminds me of the show my friends and neighbors, guy work at hedge fund or something but nobody really cares or remember they jsut think "yo wall street guy" when he is never in wall street or doing anything related

tender jackal
#

Does Rainbow Six/Ghost Recon exist in Division?

ashen jungle
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Nope, separate universe.

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It's best to think of div as a kinda "outside of the rest" thing.

glad spruce
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And if they do exist in the Division universe, they're most likely disbanded due to the Green Poison outbreak

torn shoal
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the only thing they had in common was the weird 5v5 shooter with all the ubi ip combined

sick lantern
# tender jackal Does Rainbow Six/Ghost Recon exist in Division?

in Far Cry New Dawn, the SHD is mentioned as being activated in response to the nukes in the Splinter Cell plane HQ thing easter egg
in Splinter Cell: Dragonfire, Amherst is iirc killed by an Echelon operative in an alley
so, The Division and Splinter Cell are connected

patent narwhal
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don't forget about the div2 airdrops that were in ghost recon wildlands 👴

true fox
glad spruce
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I'm pretty sure that wasn't a mission and more of a set of collectibles

true fox
sick lantern
true fox
compact hamlet
brave igloo
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Do we know who the hunters are yet?

glad spruce
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Yes.

They work on behalf of Calvin McManus, Secretary of Homeland Security. And a lot of them are secretly embedded as Division agents.

Their mission involves being watch dogs at Division agents and eliminating them if they become a problem.

Although, truthfully, Hunters are dispatched to eliminate any Agent that stands in Cal's way

misty shore
glad spruce
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Not just the audio drama.

But also a book trilogy written by Thomas Parrott. And in my opinion, he did the best depiction of how Division agents would engage in combat if they were in real life.

obtuse chasm
#

Is it just me or Brandon Schaeffer seems like so chill? I mean he was ONCE a bad guy but right now he seems chill and he also comfort Manny being nervous about being a dad for a first time

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Almost too chill..

torn shoal
glad spruce
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That's because Schaeffer is our ally.

He had his doubts about Natalya, and his suspicions were confirmed when Faye Lau told him the truth. About Calvin McManus, the Hunters, etc...

obtuse chasm
#

danggg

zenith spruce
glad spruce
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What you'd expect how Division agents actually fight.

Their skills are a force multiplier.

frosty bluff
#

A little box that shoots, while somewhat effective in game, is probably multiplied in effectiveness irl

glad spruce
#

Exactly

brave igloo
sick lantern
glad spruce
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Except they don't foam enemies as soon as they come out of the door or just stay in the open and do Striker stacks 😛

torn shoal
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What ??? You mean striker doesnt exist irl ??? Im shocked and disappointed by ubisoft

sick lantern
#

books =/= irl

sinful mauve
#

Some gears are modified by the agents, what u expect an upside down magazine on their vest. lol

#

even Keener likes using Striker

sick lantern
#

Striker’s is one of the few gear sets that has an actual canonical reason to exist by way of its flavour text. So if Parrott wanted to put it in his works, he could’ve

tulip patio
glad spruce
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There's no problem linking pages from the wiki, is there?

late void
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I don't think so, it's not like you're getting benefits from increasing view count or something.

glad spruce
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Understood

torn shoal
#

i mean for lore thats kinda necessary

glad spruce
#

Tomorrow's the 96th Descent comm and 7th Manhunt comm.

torn shoal
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damn in 1 month we gonna get 100th descent comm

#

they really went far on a mode almost nobody plays

loud pilot
# torn shoal they really went far on a mode almost nobody plays

I assume most people get in get out for the comm like imo for the longest time I hated playing the descent because there isn’t any I want to say nuance but it most likely isn’t the word I’m looking because it’s really just the same loadout every for me because the perks I use never get rotated out

torn shoal
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Most people dont touch the game mode since most people dont care about coms tbh, very few people care about lore in this game

glad spruce
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Well, somebody's gotta do the summaries, regardless of how few, if any, care about the lore at all

torn shoal
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i meant in general for the playerbase of descent, not that it doesnt matter

#

i do care about the lore, but i cba to do descent man, its painfully unfun

ashen jungle
#

What did I already say?

sudden mortar
#

useful info ||Manny is 29||

glad spruce
#

Younger than he looks

#

Well, time to get to it

torn shoal
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i would have given him at least 45/50

#

my man doesnt look in shape

glad spruce
#

Leading the JTF skeleton crew and coordinating with the Division in the midst of a post-apocalyptic civil war is rough business

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Descent comm 96, Claire.

||Theo Parnell mentions Claire Ortiz, calling her brilliant. Jessica Kandel never heard of her, so Parnell tells her that she's not an agent nor into AI communication systems. whick Kandel.||

||Parnell then suggested to Kandel if she wants her comms upgraded or be given a Division watch and be considered an Agent, which she kindly refused.||

||Back on the topic of Claire, Parnell mentions they got some schematics and could 3D print a new eye for Faye. Kandel doesn't think that's a good idea, commenting that 3D printing messed up Faye's life, even mentioning that she'd stick with the eyepatch, as she doesn't want to blow her cover.||

||Parnell then comments that Natalya would probably force Faye to get a bionic eye, as she doesn't want a less than perfect soldier in her ranks.||

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Manhunt comm 7, The Heiress

||Bardon Schaeffer asks Manny Ortega what else he wants to know, in which he answered The Heiress. Specifically, Mackenzie Meret, as discussing about Bridgette Douglas stings Schaeffer too much for him at the moment||

||The first question was Mack's relationship with Natalya Sokolova, which is unrequited, to say the least. Schaeffer explains that Mack could never be the woman Nat wants her to be, further commenting that she's selfish.||

||Manny mentions Mack's philanthropy, though Schaeffer counters that by saying dozen other billioanires are also philanthropists who make their money through child slavery and destroying the planet. A way to show off their good deeds and ignoring their so-called wonderful qualities||

||This led to Manny askng if Mack's stuff are made in sweatshops, but Schaeffer assured him her stuff is ethically sourced and well paid, and Mack cares about groups and is a true philanthropist.||

||Schaeffer mentions Mack's negative qualities, being that she hates individuals.. Manny was still confused, so Schaeffer explains if Mack saves the world, she's a good person. But saving a person, focusing her energy on saving an individual instead of the community and making big systemic decisions, it's a waste of her time.||

||Schaeffer then goes over about how Mack is someone that isn't easily controlled and does what she wants regardless of the consequences.||

||This in contrast with Nat, who's entire personality rests on being in control, and sees Mack's resistance as a challenge to win instead of what it truly is; a toxic relationship stuff no one should ever tolerate. And both women still play these games, despite currently in their 40s.||

||Manny mentions his age, being 29, which amuses Schaeffer as he thought he was 50, then comments that the power of the presidency really does age a man. Despite Manny's protest to the contrary, Schaeffer insists on his notion since Manny is interrogating him in the oval office.||

glad spruce
#

This week's Manhunt comm is my favorite

true fox
#

interesting

glad spruce
#

It does give some interesting insight into Mack's mindset and Nat's personality

true fox
#

right

torn shoal
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We do know very little about them tbh

glad spruce
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If you say so

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Cuz with comms from the incursion, Y6S1/3, and this season, I already know a lot about Mack and Nat and their personalities.

remote tree
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Angry lesbians moment?

glad spruce
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Nah, the real Lesbians were Faye and Bridgette

I miss them so much 🥺

glad spruce
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ANNA: I miss Bridge. Faye was good to her. Agent, why do they always fridge the lesbians?

torn shoal
glad spruce
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Yeah, okay. Sure.

torn shoal
#

we know a bit more about mack, but nat, its really empty

glad spruce
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Agree to disagree.

torn shoal
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im not trying to be snarky, just nat feel way more deep than what the informations we got so far, you dont build something that bit out of "im mean"

glad spruce
#

Let's close the book on that.

torn shoal
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hawk u good ?

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we can obviously disagree, i dont understand why u close on this discussion

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im not trying to be mean

glad spruce
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It's not something I wanna argue about and it's getting late.

torn shoal
#

aight, take care then

glad spruce
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Also, I'm too emotionally immature to handle discussions

torn shoal
#

i def disagree on this, but its fine

ashen jungle
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That's not even a denial thing, it just makes no sense.

torn shoal
#

I mean the story is supposed to be set in like 2015 ? That would make manny a millenial.
He def look rough for 29 yo tho, he could be 20y older that wouldnt shock me

ashen jungle
#

There is no set date for the story.

torn shoal
#

Kids theses days look so old

ashen jungle
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The year has been changed enough that it's safe to say "near future", and go with that.

torn shoal
#

Yeah I guess

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Then manny might gen z or gen alpha, might explain why he is so lost when it comes to talking to people

patent narwhal
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I just think its part stress and part this version (game launch) of the snowdrop engine is not as good with faces as the newer versions more so the latter

torn shoal
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(I am def worse at social interactions)

patent narwhal
torn shoal
patent narwhal
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launch kelso vs now kelso 😱

torn shoal
patent narwhal
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true true

torn shoal
#

Tho à lot of autistic arent diagnosed anyway (myself included)

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Would be funny if we had a cinematic with birdie clocking him after 3s and saying it, then for him to be lost and talking about how neurotypical he is, just to show how much he aint

ashen jungle
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I am sticking with that there is no way in hell that Manny is only 29.

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early 40's/late 30's maybe.

remote tree
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I like kelso

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But she had to go, said it wasn’t safe around here

But def agree that manny is not 29, or 35 if we count it to 2025

Stress def got to him as everyone said

torn shoal
#

i mean its the apocalypse

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everyone is stressed and the bodycount only going up isnt helping

ashen jungle
#

It hasn't actually been the almost 10 years that it has for us, remember the timeline is a lot more condensed.

torn shoal
#

its been less than a year iirc ?

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i know people can show sign of that pretty fast

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i know i did lol, half my hair is white now

glad spruce
#

Out of all things in the game, Manny being 29 yet looks older due to stress is over the line?

ashen jungle
#

Over the line? What are you talking about?

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No seriously, what does that even mean?

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If this is another "no one loves the lore but me" thing, you really have to cut that out. It's weird.

strange rock
#

I mean Kelso is a former CIA paramilitary which is one of the top elite special forces units
Writers like to write overachievers I guess

ashen jungle
#

I always appreciate when someone in a story is an age that makes sense.

sudden mortar
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Btw, it's weird that the ISAC Intel about the world and the characters never got updated to the current time line of the plot. (It's a feature on the progression menu where you can see information about the characters and the story pre-WONY)

torn shoal
glad spruce
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And then there's Maira

torn shoal
#

Who's that ?

torn shoal
#

I understand the problem of hiring actual teenagers but damn it's annoying

glad spruce
torn shoal
#

Oh that's why I never heard of her, what's her deal ?

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I mean with so many agent it's bound to have some not so smart guy at some point but still they are supposed to pass the training

late void
#

Next we gonna find out that Keener is like 19. Theo is 12.

glad spruce
#

She's a cybersecurity specialist, and her skills help a lot with her fellow Agents

torn shoal
glad spruce
#

And Theo is 29, IIRC

late void
#

Well that's a relief

torn shoal
#

Damn keener is my age, I should look to get recruited and learn stock trading or something

#

I missed the nft, I should look into the next scam

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Prob some fake ia thing to sell

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No disrespect to riven ofc she one of the good ai

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(also I prefer Anna to Isac)

sudden mortar
torn shoal
#

Nah, theo is a kid, he like a baby, under 30 is basically a new born

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We 30yo people are the adults

sudden mortar
torn shoal
ashen jungle
#

People playing younger as VA's can muddy the issue as well.

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Keeners VA is 50, for example.

torn shoal
#

Damned I been played

obsidian jay
glad spruce
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Fun fact: Keener's VA, John Hopkins, also plays a main role in the Hitman World of Assassination trilogy.

And with that, back to the lore

ashen jungle
#

I just know him from Midsummer Murders lol, but he's been in quite a few things. Agreed, lorelore.
@obsidian jay You're gonna have to elaborate that one.

glad spruce
#

He was making a bad joke about the name Keener sounds like.... uh, yeah

ashen jungle
#

I am officially too old to get youth jokes.

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This ain't cool, daddy-o.

torn shoal
#

isnt talking about the voice actors kinda in line with the channel ?

ashen jungle
#

Well, talking about random other roles that have nothing to do with div is a stretch, but it's more fine than not, overall.

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It's like mentioning The Rookie for Lau. Cool that it's her, but weird that we know that Lau can sing.

torn shoal
#

i did not know that and im happy that i do now

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but i was thinking more about the channel name, its about lore but not just that, so actors kinda fall in this category imo

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and other stuff like that, even if its not strickly lore, that is still related

ashen jungle
#

The tricky part is that this server has the tendancy (I'm guilty of this too) to go on incredibly lengthy tangents.

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and I find it too interesting to look into VA's for my own good.

vocal flicker
#

any news on division resurgence(mobile) release?

glad spruce
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No one knows.

Also, this is the lore channel

torn shoal
#

the chan does have a tendency for going offtopic

zenith spruce
torn shoal
#

and im loving it

zenith spruce
#

does issac have a personality i know anna does i think or is she not self aware

torn shoal
#

its an ai

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both are, anna is a bit superior overall

ashen jungle
#

@zenith spruce ANNA is hinted heavily at having a sort of sentience, where-as ISAC is basically a speaking clock.

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If you like your GPS to back-talk you, then ANNA is your go-go.

zenith spruce
#

then i prefer anna

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more useful then manny talking to me about we will send guys to go to your position once you beat the baddies then somehow new guys show up to the building like many sent zero people

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like the hyenas and there weapon stockpile like manny get your as if need be to the stockpile and steal the weapons

ashen jungle
#

It should be noted that there's been some very vague hints that ANNA may not be all they claim to, and they like Keener so ya know, points off for that.

zenith spruce
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damn it anna now i like you less

torn shoal
#

we lack way too much info, keener is on our side now, but there is no telling how long it will take until he betrays us

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theo might stay with us tho

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but i dont think keener gonna love staying in jail forever

zenith spruce
#

15 agents dressed like hunters with glowing eyes just chasing him around town

torn shoal
#

keener won vs every hunter going after him so far, i dont think you gonna win

zenith spruce
#

we also pulled that off adn took out the rogue agents i feel like we have better feats ngl lmao

torn shoal
#

We got owned by bt overall, not keener

ashen jungle
#

I don't know if "defeated them every time with relative ease" is exactly "getting owned".

zenith spruce
#

can you switch from issac to anna?

ashen jungle
#

It's ISAC and ANNA, and no.

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Intelligent System Analytic Computer and Advanced Neural Network Algorithm, respectively.

zenith spruce
#

who would win in an all out war at there peak the hyenas or rikers?

ashen jungle
#

Seeing that Rikers are hardened criminals, and Hyenas are a bunch of junkies, I'mma go for the one that knows what day it is.

young ermine
#

Still no TD mobile? What is happening

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3 year delay?

ashen jungle
#

This is a lore discussion channel.

young ermine
#

Hey im just asking xD sorry it says Safe House Division Universe anything relating to the extended universe of the division so thats why i ask

ashen jungle
#

The quick answer is that we don't know, any news about it will be tweeted out, and there's been none for a while.

glad spruce
#

In fairness to ANNA, Theo did set her free and worked with the Rogues for quite a while, even using her system to design the Rogue Network

So, it shouldn't be a surprise she's fond of Keener and Theo

ashen jungle
#

Has there been any confirmation that ANNA sees themself as a she, or even as someone who wants to pick?

glad spruce
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ANNA herself? Not really. But a couple of characters have been referring her with the female pronoun

torn shoal
#

Thing we dont know anna's goal, isac is pretty clear(ish), but Anna might be working against isac in the end goal

gaunt ice
#

what are the implications of an AI being sentient for the Division world

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like i was under the impression that ANNA's speech pattern was made to be that way rather than it basically gaining sentience

sick lantern
#

ANNA is too dumb to tell rogue from non rogue, so, maybe not that sentient kek

glad spruce
#

And this is a problem, how?

#

The way I see it, the broader Division and whoever else is working for Cal and Nat are the traitors

sick lantern
sleek plover
#

Time for a third ai

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his name is steve.

And he speaks in iowan accent

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and swears a lot

glad spruce
#

Just a reminder that Natalya is in her 40s

torn shoal
#

thats what a good skin care routine gives you

torn shoal
#

(the skin care routine is war crimes, a lot of them, everyday if possible, ask keener for more info about that)

sudden mortar
glad spruce
#

Half-brother.

Same father. Different mothers

ashen jungle
#

Nat's dad remarrying creepily younger does give me a lot more sympathy for her.

torn shoal
#

i mean, lot of people got a bad childhood, we didnt go the war crime route lol

ashen jungle
#

Speak for yourself.

torn shoal
#

well, as we say in french, who's alike stay together, so im def not the only one

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but we arent some nepo baby thats for sure

sleek plover
#

Considering aside from Jtf and govt higher ups, Black Tusks are probably the only faction with access to functioning old world internet.
Thus, p_rnography addiction among them could be a problem

ashen jungle
#

Get out more.

sleek plover
sleek plover
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And i heard in some military groups, p_rn mags are basically currency

ember temple
#

Bruh what

tepid ibex
#

Nice weather we’re having eh

remote tree
rain pasture
glad spruce
#

Don't encourage Jacobin pls.

He can be... a lot at times

hoary mist
#

do you think Manny was a Figurine Collector before the Dollar flu

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like if he had a Glass case full of action figures

ashen jungle
#

Is there any indication of that outside of needing minatures on the map of DC?

tepid ibex
ashen jungle
#

That's a hell of a way to boost your collection's value.

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"it's a sellers market if I'm the only seller"

tepid ibex
#

His goals are beyond our understanding

hoary mist
#

now im just imagining any Action figure found in combat that is at least in some sort of good condition, Manny would just nerd out about it haha

normal snow
#

Think we'll ever get the Silver Creek map in a future Division expansion/game? Seems an awful waste not to use it.

sick lantern
#

maybe they’ll use it to save money on div 3 petter

torn shoal
#

unlikely, we might visit location but they wont reuse the map itself, like they didnt reuse div 1 map for brooklyn dlc

glad spruce
normal snow
glad spruce
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No, what's silly is people assuming every decision the dev team makes with the Division 2 is out of malice

normal snow
#

I agree. Who did that?

torn shoal
normal snow
#

Yeah absolutely assets need to be rebuilt in the new engine, that's pretty common when porting to a new game. But they generally still use old assets as a reference when creating the new ones, because why wouldn't you after all.

ashen jungle
glad spruce
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Nothing. Forget what I said.

I take criticisms too personally, it seems

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Anyways, HVT 1 tomorrow

torn shoal
#

i wonder what thats gonna be this time

#

we got the hvt to kill, the hvt to save

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i dont think there will be much difference this time tho, not like the game had much possibilities

glad spruce
#

More likely HVT to kill.

The whole point for this Manhunt is to secure extraction of our deep cover asset

sudden mortar
#

This is why I like Schaeffer as a character, he is straight to the point, specially with the ||STOP APOLOGIZING to Manny|| petter

glad spruce
#

Manhunt comm 8, The Wingman.

||Manny Ortega and Bardon Schaeffer discuss Bridgette Douglas, with Schaeffer referring her as the best. Ortega describes her as the center in the whole conflict, though Schaeffer refers her as the wingman not just for Keener, but to Nat, and her father.||

||Schaeffer then goes over Douglas, describing her as the pretty thing that no one expected anything from, so she used that to her advantage. She could never be who she wanted to be, so she was what wanted everyone wanted her to be.||

||Manny felt that made Douglas the perfect spy, but Schaeffer disagreed and added that made her as the perfect corporate socialite doll. He then talks how Bridgette towed the line and sacrificed herself for the good of the collective.||

||He then describes how Nat would never sacrifice a moment of unpleasantness unless there was something personal to gain from it.||

||Schaeffer was then asked if he misses Bridgette, which he does, as she was his best friend. And seeing the relationship she had with Faye, it was the kind of thing that made him believe in love. They had something worth fighting for, and we killed it. Every action, big or small, led to their deaths.||

||Manny felt guilt over their deaths and shared an apology. Though that only frustrated Schaeffer, as he told him to stop apologizing.||

torn shoal
#

i love thoses espionnage stuff cause its everyone being a double agents to the point where you'd think there are more double agents than legit agents lmao

#

its so stupid and unrealistic but its also so fun

glad spruce
#

Descent comm 97, ANNA.

||Theo Parnell and Jessica Kandel discussing further about Claire Ortiz, with Kandel understanding that Claire was the one who built ISAC, the Black Tusk network, and SHD Network.||

||Theo describes Claire as a bag of rats in a snake pit when it comes to socializing, though maintains she's a genius.||

||Kandel laments Claire worked with Black Tusk, though Parnell argued that she took pleasure in screwing them over. And without ANNA, they'd be all dead, which led to Kandel asking who is ANNA.||

||Parnell explains who she is, part handler, part databse manager, and the original AI for the SHD tech. This led to Kandel asking why they were using ISAC, which had Parnell suggesting if she even listened to the comms he gave her through the brief.||

||Kandel explained that she didn't have the time listening to them considering they're thousands of hours long.||

torn shoal
#

i have no idea who the hvt was and why he's important

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is it just "might be a menace for kelso" ?

glad spruce
#

He's just a named enemy who's whole purpose is to draw him out in the open and eliminate him just so we can make extracting our asset less complicated.

glad spruce
#

I do recall the season's article in the official story said about the story's premise before they changed it due to spoilers.

gaunt ice
glad spruce
#

The only double agents that counts are Faye and Bridgette

torn shoal
#

and Schaeffer

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and also the doc that kept him in coma

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and ellis somehow

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and Lewis

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and mcmanus that was supposed to be a good guy that ended with nat

#

that's a lot of people not being straight

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also theo and keener, since they play with us now

ashen jungle
torn shoal
#

yes willy

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altho Douglas and lau def weren't straight in many ways

ashen jungle
#

They do always be fridging the lesbians.

glad spruce
#

Ellis shouldn't count. He only grew a conscious when he realized how badly he messed up making an alliance with Nat.

And McManus shouldn't count either, so he was always and will always be a snake.

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Oh, and Lewis shouldn't count as well. The moment he decided to help us to prevent the alliance between True Sons and Black Tusk, he went turncoat

ashen jungle
#

He also died really stupidly, which I feel should cancel out any benefit he may have given our side.

#

I'm still not 100% sure on what Lewis actually did for us.

glad spruce
#

He helped warn us about the alliance and brought up Wally as well as a dozen defectors to our side.

That's a benefit

ashen jungle
#

Okay I am clearly not remembering that part of the story that well.

#

i genuinely did not recall her being a True Sons, who didn't know about the main thing they're known for, or Castle?

torn shoal
#

thats also the point of the dz in the first place, anybody can turn on you at anytime

glad spruce
#

Sure

torn shoal
#

is it any different from thoses good old spy movies where everyone is trying to double cross everyone

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thats also the core of thoses clancys books, not related to if they were good or not

sleek plover
#

Never trusted lewis from the start.
Still dont trust wally

once a true sons, always a true sons

may they burn

glad spruce
#

sighs

#

And I want Nat and Cal dead. Yet some people worship them

static cloak
#

What's up division 1 and 2 gamers

torn shoal
#

if people couldnt change their ways there wouldnt be a need for prison sentences and such

sleek plover
#

True sons are not people

torn shoal
#

they are people, thats the most important part : monsters are also people

sleek plover
torn shoal
#

dehumanisation is the first step into doing war crimes

sleek plover
#

They deserve worse

torn shoal
#

it doesnt matter what they deserve, they are still people

#

and people can change, thats just a fact

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even keener did

tepid ibex
#

And those who are unwilling to change, I suppose we can hand them to Jacobin so he can "sacrifice" them to "Lady Liberty"....or something

sleek plover
#

May her be appeased with my offering of blood of the tyrants

torn shoal
#

if you kill anyone that you dont like or dont think as human, you arent better than thoses tyrants

sleek plover
#

I am only doing our goddess freedoms will

#

For she is given, and a right.

tepid ibex
torn shoal
#

thats what true sons said

tepid ibex
#

I'm not better than them for killing him?

torn shoal
#

thats why death penalty is bad and never worked

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if you want peace, you need justice, not retribution, thats always been like that

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if you only get retribution, you're a tyrant

tepid ibex
torn shoal
#

im not saying everyone can be rehabilitated

tepid ibex
#

I do believe ppl can change just not all

torn shoal
#

im saying, you cant decide who can and who cant, if you do, you're the tyrant

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also if you decide some people arent worth living just cause you dont like them, you're the tyrant

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the moment you decide who can or cant be rehabilitated, you're deciding who gets to live or die, thats textbook definition of tyrant

tepid ibex
tepid ibex
torn shoal
#

it doesnt matter what your justification is

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killing people cause you think they are waste is and always will be tyrant behavior, no matter the reason

#

morals are subjectives, what you think is good might not mean the same to other people

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thats why we need a fair justice system, not a "we kill anyone we think is bad" system

tepid ibex
torn shoal
#

thats cause you apply your own moral onto this

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which is fine, everyone has them, but they are subjectives, there is no objective morality

#

its hard to explain this without playing devils advocate, but just imagine that if an animal specie can do horrible stuff, to survive or thrive, its because it has no moral, there is only 1 goal = the species survival, every mean to that end is a good way to go

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we have morals cause we have evolved and need to live with each others, not cause they are objective

#

if you check a bit, you'll see a LOT of people dont share your morals, even some people you might know

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yes, even on the darkest stuff

#

thats why we have current events

#

if everyone agreed on objective morality, we wouldnt be fighting each other about whats right or wrong

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case and point = seeing people as non human for x reason
its morally bad, but its encouraged cause it helps others that dont care about morality to achieve their goals

#

also, something might morally good, that doesnt mean it is good for people

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and vice versa

glad spruce
#

At the end of the day, the major factions in the Division want to rebuild society. They just disagree on how.

tepid ibex
glad spruce
#

Maybe. But it's also a fitting line for the entire world, IMO

ashen jungle
#

I guess it depends on what you mean by "major factions".

obtuse chasm
#

Is the book canon?

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"all the book" I mean

torn shoal
#

most of them don't value human life at all

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even shd, seeing how we treat anyone that doesn't follow the law even tho society doesn't exist anymore

sick lantern
obtuse chasm
#

I mean if it had any lore behind it

glad spruce
torn shoal
#

so when it all crumbles down, its every man for himself, as they were sent to die with no goal/support/etc

novel thicket
#

How did the enemies in the factions decide who gets to do what? Like what makes a mf decide one day “yeah I’ll be a glue gunner for the true sons.”

ashen jungle
#

According to Wally, you can just pick what you wanna do.
Which does mean that the True Sons who got to be giant walking tanks picked first, then regretted it due to the heat.

novel thicket
#

Beats being a glue gunner and knowing one day you could die stuck in goop

#

I’d assume some had previous experience, like drone ops or medics. Could also be possible they just learned on the job

hardy oar
#

Why do I think that Anderson is a mole and is sabotaging Natalia's efforts to bring the Division down?

torn shoal
#

cause you give him too. much credit he can barely make comprehensible sentences

glad spruce
#

What Lyfe said. He's a coward who'd gladly sell his own soul if it meant keeping his true sons safe

||Also considering both Compromised and Hunted novels take place far ahead of the current Division 2 timeline, Nat ain't dying anytime soon||

torn shoal
#

i mean nat dying would end the entire div 2 story, so thats for sure not happenning

#

not until div 3 comes out at least so between 2035 and never o clock

#

ofc unless they replace her with someone that overthrow her leadership but then does basically the same as her leading bt

#

but div writers dont like to kill the main vilain ever

#

they even revived them if necessary lol

glad spruce
#

In one of this season's comms, Schaeffer called Mack as the Wool Queen, like a nickname.

Is that even a real nickname?

torn shoal
#

idk, youth slang is out of my reach nowadays

#

im old and cranky and i yell at clouds on regular basis now

glad spruce
#

IIRC, you're like late 30s

frosty bluff
#

It could be multiple things that could be considered to end the Div2 story line without having to murder Nat:

  • Eliminate Anderson
  • Eliminate remnant Hyena bosses
  • Takedown the Black Tusk Rogue Network (i.e. whatever crew Sarah Moretti & Danvers has been working on), along with Matthew Grant

If anything, it’ll probably end with a cliche of Nat being injured and escaping on a helicopter as a lead-up to Division 3

#

Could be more alternatives, but I just can’t remember them…

#

They could also pull an Emeline Shaw on Danvers and make the guy somehow still alive

glad spruce
#

Yeah, no. Danvers is 100% dead. Unlike Emeline, he died with the Zeppelin

frosty bluff
#

Hopefully he is.

hardy oar
#

@torn shoal @glad spruce I mean - since they teamed up, BT and TS are at the losing end (for now at least and Sokolova calls TS forces 'nitwits'). That can mean:

  • Anderson is just plain stupid and Sokolova is NOT so clever as we assume she is,
  • Anderson is a mole working for Keener or McManus who's sabotaging BT's effort and she's not realizing it,
  • he wants to kill Sokolova and be the one in charge.

That's just my assumptions so.....

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@frosty bluff Or we can just take down McManus

glad spruce
#

You know what they say about assumptions.

Sometimes it's more fiction than reality

torn shoal
#

have you seen the true sons so far ? you think they come with a working brain ? x)

hardy oar
#

@glad spruce I know

frosty bluff
# hardy oar <@807801213612458014> Or we can just take down McManus

McManus might be a little iffy since I feel like they'd want to keep someone of legitimacy from the former US government, but then again, they do keep on implying he wants to be in the Cabal and is just a throwaway. What they could do is throw McManus as bait so Nat can escape. So essentially we either kill him, or BT dumps him.

torn shoal
#

mcmanus i think will be dumped at some point by bt

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he is the key to open the vault iirc atm, but once its done, no reason to keep him

novel thicket
glad spruce
#

Some people thought Emeline died in that boat in Roosevelt Island back in the day before Manning was a thing.
.

novel thicket
#

Yeah what happened with that, was she never on Roosevelt to begin with?

glad spruce
#

She was never in that boat. She escaped Roosevelt and set up with her Outcasts at the Zoo as a Stronghold

novel thicket
#

Wouldn’t the drone operator have spotted her leaving?

cosmic niche
#

She better be dead. The player base must have terminated her a 1000 times over.

sweet crypt
#

What if she comes back, having faked her death, and has amnesia.

novel thicket
zenith spruce
#

she has the dumbest (which is an understatement) thought process out of every enemy faction in teh game

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i hate her so much

obtuse chasm
ashen jungle
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Some people are passionate about the lore, some are too passionate.

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And some are just a bit weird.

glad spruce
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For the last time, Emeline is dead.

Y'all need to stop being paranoid

ashen jungle
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Nah she's totally a hologram and we're going to see her driving a van on a bridge next Season.

ember temple
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😂

glad spruce
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I still think some people need to get over the fact that Keener and Theo are alive and kicking.

It's been a year since it happened. It's time to let it go.

novel thicket
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Idk if keener can really be called “alive and kicking”, he’s kinda rotting in a cell rn

cosmic niche
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Given that the so called lore is back filled to create an utter farce of a story. Having a channel even to discuss it is somewhere between other enthausitic and out right silly imho. Ubi was ready to terminate this game after ending keener. The hunter has been messed around so much. If few know of what was and are willing to believe what is now said, then perhaps something consistent will emerge to be canon.

torn shoal
torn shoal
cosmic niche
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I agree, from this ubi might direct a more consistent story

torn shoal
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ubi doesnt care about story, only writers do

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tbh almost no game company cares about story or lore for their game, almost all of them only care about money

hardy oar
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Question - what are the odds that the Outcast Strategist is our target now?

late void
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Low, given that they said our target is a BT defector

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The strategist was kidnapped during the BT raid on the White House but I really can't imagine he's become a trusted BT insider who is secretly wanting to go back to our side.

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Also, Schaeffer knows who the defector is, and he was in a coma when that raid happened.

torn shoal
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or maybe the strategist is a triple agent, working for bt inside outcast, got extracted by bt after we captured him, now he defect

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the chances are as much as me winning the euromillion but i'll take it

ashen jungle
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@glad spruce Post that again if you like, but really think about what that sounds like, how it comes across.

glad spruce
ashen jungle
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Going off by the base campaign, I did always suspect that something was up with the Strategist. It always felt like there was too much weight given to a random mission boss.
So him having more importance is a genuinely good turn, IMO.

glad spruce
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A former beaurucrat turned into a faux-virologist who had contact with Agent Donovan Tower.

Yeah, he's important all right.

ashen jungle
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I know I shouldn't be complaining about names in a franchise where the main hope for a cure in div1 was called "Kandel", but even the more normal ones feel a bit much sometimes.

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There's nothing inherently wrong with "tower", it just feels a little much.

ocean copper
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Hi

glad spruce
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Hello there.

Are you here to discuss the lore of the Division's universe?

obtuse chasm
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Manny is 29 years old? Damm I thought he was wayyyyy older

glad spruce
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The stress of leadership in a post-pandemic D.C chanegs everyone

torn shoal
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and he already has a kid on the way

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best i have is a loan to get a pizza lol

tulip patio
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they should make our character's hair turn more and more gray the higher the SHD level then

glad spruce
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We can already change our agent's hair to grey

torn shoal
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yeah but making it mandatory for high shd for the laugh

glad spruce
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Maybe that should be the April Fool's event next year

torn shoal
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or better yet : we get a revive of all dead characters but only agents can see and talk to them

frosty bluff
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Poor hardcore players haunted by their silent dead characters

zenith spruce
# obtuse chasm ayo chill

she annoys me her boss fight was a pain and also damn her reasoning makes no sense out of everyone who is evil and that is a pet peeve of mine a massive one lol also when i was fighting her i have not the best day so dealing with her yapping while she running away like a coward in her stupid zoo got under my skin lol

glad spruce
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You can relax, Alpha. Emeline's been dead for a while now

zenith spruce
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lol

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way people were talking my brain instantly went too is she back again and i wasn't lookin forward to that

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imo ridgeway was the best villain in terms of why he was a villain

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he made the most sense to me and honestly was kinda charismatic so it makes sense why people followed him

sweet crypt
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I feel like the Outcasts were supposed to be some religious cult, but none of that is present so they don't have anything beyond revenge.

glad spruce
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Considering all they talk about is burning out the blight, they're pretty much a cult

ashen jungle
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Most games will avoid using religious angles as much as possible, or other potentially firebrand topics, e.g. what True Sons are clearly referencing, some of the Hyenas stuff, etc.
It's hard to blame them, it mostly just causes arguments.

torn shoal
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yeah but i dont understand why they went on this whole story line if they wanna avoid thoses topics

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its like "yeah we are bold and talk about important stuff but not too much cause we are bold but not that much"

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i know its mostly exec decisions to tone down any actual message of the game to sell more, but it just making it bland in the end

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cause if your game message is "dont be a bad person" its kind of a very low bar (that somehow battlefield or cod cant pass for some reason, blows mu mind everytime)

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we're never gonna have another spec ops the line story, but i sure wish we would

sick lantern
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they’re a cult of personality, plenty of them irl
cults or otherwise the charismatic leader is the lynchpin. and the beliefs they sell (ie 1930s germany) are just one part of that control

torn shoal
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like the agents doing all the killings are justified cause "we good" and somehow isac knows better than anyone whats moral

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we dont even try to arrest people, anyone smuggling medecine ? shoot to kill, no warning

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thats not "good guy behavior", yet we are treated as the most moral of whats going on

glad spruce
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Yes, because our enemies are ontologically evil

torn shoal
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yeah, they are so comically evil, even doing insane unhinged stuff still doesnt raise any eye brow

glad spruce
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What are you trying to prove?

sick lantern
torn shoal
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that the "lets not bring contentious topics to our game" is out the windows the moment you decide we can do so many war crime it make geneva convention a to do list and not a warning

sick lantern
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i mean lyfe still has me blocked so talking to a brick wall trying to apply canon facts to this topic

torn shoal
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i know its to not bring heated arguments in conversations

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but it just make the story kinda pointless, the character pretty bland, and most of all, it changes the message from "dont be bad" to "if you are good™ you can whatever you want its justified"

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which is kinda whats used as justification for all the bad stuff

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like, there is a single instance in the game where agents are not treated as litteral saviors, its with the conspiracy electrician at the boo

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so the only time the message could change from "you will save the world" to "maybe look yourself in the mirror" is given by a guy you are made sure you cant trust cause he is crazy adjacent

sick lantern
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the SHD doesn’t commit many war crimes either as far as i know
Scorpio’s poison rounds but that’s not reallyyyy canon
tear gas grenades/seekers? maybe
but also, the SHD aren’t even a standing military and the laws of war apply differently if at all (hence why police can use gas but not military, for example)

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anyway hawk save ur breath, we all know lyfe cares more about headcanon and sensationalism than the actual plot

torn shoal
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i use war crime as a broad statement, but using lethal force by the army or any armed official militia on its citizen is basically the same, you're just not technically/officially at war with anyone else, only your own people

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thats why military isnt used to police people for example

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military is used against enemies of the state, if you use them against your own people, then the people are enemies of the state

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there is not a single instance where that went well

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its also a sign of stuff we cant talk about here, cause obviously

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when ellis betrayed the division at the beginning i thought there would be a message in all of this, but they really turned everything back lol

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no contentious topic, only some powers fighting each others

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anyway, i hate when execs tone down story messaging so much it becomes empty in gaming, thanks for coming to my ted talk

frosty bluff
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I had a shower thought about hoe the shd watch works. In order to see the projection on the shd watch, you need to have the scantek contact lenses, no? Moreover, could shd equipment be used without the need of the contact lenses?

These thoughts came up about when I thought of the Lovebirds at Meret and Danver’s rogue network in Brooklyn

torn shoal
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but I supposed the lovebirds got the whole package anyway

ashen jungle
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I think we can assume that the Scan-Tek lenses are so you can see HuD, but also don't forget that they charge the watch too.

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Or they just charge themselves, but either way: self running.

torn shoal
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I love that in post apocalypse, energy is never a problem lol

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we somehow got a functioning nuclear plant and no problem of needed material

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but like almost all post apo setting do that

ashen jungle
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They literally work to give a reason that it's not a problem, to avoid complaints like that.

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and it's not hard to assume that the Pentco Plant is one of the only functional ones left, at least in range, so they probably just take the material from the others.

torn shoal
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yeah, real apocalypse would be way less entertaining obviously

ashen jungle
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What? I'm disagreeing with you heavily.

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A Nuke Plant will last a LOT longer with less people using it, hell, one regular power station would probably last for a few thousand hours if it's not turned off/has faults, if it's only running a single settlement.

frosty bluff
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One thing mentioned during Brooklyn was the need to snatch their micro reactor due to energy issues at Pentco

torn shoal
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yeah I know, but the explanations are clearly far from realistic

frosty bluff
ashen jungle
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If you're going to complain about issues with the setting, then you have to give an explanation why.

torn shoal
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I mean it was a side note not a real complaint, like it's funny, but def not a deal breaker

ashen jungle
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How is it funny?

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There's perfectly feasible explanations for pretty much everything you're bringing up.

torn shoal
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well, nuclear is def not the energy source you'd want in this scenario, too dangerous, unreliable, it's also not able to consume less material even if you don't have much plugged in cause of critical mass

ashen jungle
torn shoal
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it's a good use for security missions like countdown tho

ashen jungle
frosty bluff
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Also, one of the things I’ve read and just remembered the comm for was McManus having access to ANNA, so would it be safe to say McManus isn’t interested in gaining info through ANNA or ANNA isn’t spilling the beans on the rogue network?

ashen jungle
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ANNA has at least some form of sentience, so it's probably fairly safe to say that if ANNA wants to just not answer someone, ANNA will likely just ignore their question. We saw it during that Manhunt when they shut up the 2 people talking.

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I dislike using gendered pronouns for ANNA, as I'm not sure if it's even applicable, or if they've picked one of it is. Just to explain why I'm stretching out the replies lol.

torn shoal
# ashen jungle Nuclear Energy is not unreliable or dangerous, what 90's cartoon did you get tha...

I mean I live in a country that is powered almost only by nuclear, we used to get ads to tell us to consume more energy cause they were out putting too much and they can't slow it down, so it out a strain on the network, also it's very unsafe when there are so many factions around wanting to blow it up, and the source material is unreliable to me, idk much about the us situation on this, but they ain't really known for their safety standard

ashen jungle
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I'm not American.

torn shoal
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yeah I know, I'm just saying they aren't good, not saying you

frosty bluff
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I also had a goofy thought about how we first snatched Keener’s watch, we got the shd level stuff, so imagine we snatch McManus’s watch for the devs to implement something else Which I significantly doubt would happen

torn shoal
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that's just my view of it, but as I said, def not the most unrealistic

ashen jungle
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I'll be honest, a lot of your replies in this channel just come across as you wanting to bad-mouth the lore of the game for whatever reason, so it makes it hard to take what you say seriously.

torn shoal
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I don't want to sound mean, I'm just saying it could be better