division-universe

[ashen jungle]

||I'm going to assume that us getting the Mobile Server back was somehow key to it being time to "wake up" Schaeffer, but I would like details on why that is. Otherwise why else wait for 2 months?||

[coral flume]

Adrenaline is applied in quantities of ml, with that amount they would have brought Faye, Douglas and the not so traitorous President Ellis out of the grave.

[ashen jungle]

||So, we saw Lau murder Ellis, then dontgetintoitrivens die afterwards herself, so now we're saying that he wanted that? I'm a little lost.||

[glad spruce]

||Ellis didn't want Nat to have the Ark key, so he cloned the clearance to Lau and wiped the clearance on his own end.||

[glad spruce]

I thought y'all would be happy that Schaeffer is back from his beauty sleep.

Evidently not.

[ashen jungle]

This is lore for a game series that we love, we want it to make sense.

[ashen jungle]

||So why did she murder him, then theotherthing.||

[glad spruce]

sighs

He had to die because he was a liability either way. As long he kept breathing, he'll be a puppet

Why not focus on the real enemy

[ashen jungle]

Then why join with Nat in the first place?

[lone salmon]

let's be real the plot's run on retcons, contrivances and other silly devices ever since season 9.

[ashen jungle]

Remember how he got into power.

[glad spruce]

SIGHS

[ashen jungle]

Hawk, don't act like that. You are not a lore gatekeeper.

It's getting really old.

[lone salmon]

making sense of it is definitely gonna be hard not knowing whatever else they're gonna be pulling

[tepid ibex]

somehow, Hornet returned

[glad spruce]

He wanted power. He craved it. He saw Black Tusk as his way in to become POTUS

He wasn't aware he'd be a puppet until it's too late

Did you guys never read his diary/memos?

[sick lantern]

people probably forgot the one vaguely interesting comm collection amidst the sea of filler

that was like two years ago now

[glad spruce]

You think they'll listen? They'll still scream "RETCOOON"

[ashen jungle]

I'll be 100% honest, I am getting fairly over games these days pulling a twist ending that negates the tension built up within the plot.

[sick lantern]

maybe if they stopped retconning things, they'd stop getting accused of retconning things

¯_(ツ)_/¯

boy who cried wolf

[glad spruce]

Well, I'm sorry that I don't go throwing retcon just because I like where the story is going

[ashen jungle]

Div1 ends with Keener flat-out telling us that he's going off to sell chemical weapons to the highest bidder? Nah, he's now some secret hero.

[glad spruce]

Nat and Cal is our enemy

If you can't accept that, then there's no hope

[ashen jungle]

Nat did not exist in the base game plot.

She was literally invented after the fact.

[glad spruce]

Who cares about the base game's plot? The story moved beyond that

[tulip patio]

also starting WONY by attacking more or less innocent people on two ocassions

[ashen jungle]

In fact, didn't they remove at least 1 comm because it broke the story?

[glad spruce]

The base game's plot was always about retaking the capitol and restoring the SHD Network. We did that

[patent narwhal]

probably everyone who played it

yknow as I'd imagine most people playing this game did

[sick lantern]

it really hasn't, the black tusk invaded DC and have accomplished virtually nothing else. the status quo is... unchanged

[glad spruce]

Sokolova and McManus is our goddamn enemy!

[ashen jungle]

In fact, they even took back every place we took over, as part of the story.

[ashen jungle]

No one is debating that.

[glad spruce]

Why is that so hard to understand?

[ashen jungle]

Chill.

[tulip patio]

I get Sokolova and McManus are our big enemies now

but maybe it was better to give us new plots and threads instead of always using the old

[patent narwhal]

I'd like the why not to be hidden in a bunch of random comms

[tulip patio]

they could've left what happened at White Oak just down to Faye having a grander plan, now it feels like everyone we ever killed will somehow in future become a secret deceased ally lol

[ashen jungle]

Making it so everything in div1 was redundant feels more than a little....insulting is the wrong word. Mean?

[patent narwhal]

the only why I can remember is from the schaffer manhunt and thats only because well shes on the other side so shes bad 😭

[glad spruce]

The comms are also stories

[patent narwhal]

thats cool I don't think most players are going to be going through each seasons comms along with descent

[ashen jungle]

Recuing Lau's sister was a beautiful moment in the first game, then she's fridged to help advance the plot.

[patent narwhal]

I think how the story and a lot of the why to the story being buried is horrible for the story

[ashen jungle]

I feel that's actually being addressed in the recent Manhunts, the comment about fridging from ANNA feels more than a little meta.

[tulip patio]

maybe instead they could've refreshed some of those older comms in the recent seasons instead of some of the filler we got

[patent narwhal]

its cool to have comms be extra world building not crucial story lore where if you didnt do 2 years of a game mode most people don't seem to like you don't know a lot of the why of the world

[tulip patio]

cause some of the comms felt like talking on the previous life of the characters which is honestly not that relevant to what's going on imo

[ashen jungle]

Trying to make us feel sorry/like Theo was the first moment that I really clicked that something felt odd.

[torn shoal]

Well that's a lot of talking

I guess last com dropped and it got implications

It's always sunny in dc

[tulip patio]

an echo actually lol

[torn shoal]

Damn we didnt got echos for a while

[ashen jungle]

||"the gang gets the president to order his own murder"||

[torn shoal]

Sounds juicy

Cant wait to play it after I complete clair obscur

[sick lantern]

fish tacos all over again
It's not like filler can't be used to tell an interesting story, see, the majority of phone calls and ECHOs and etc in the open worlds
but what we got, was not that. there never really felt like there was real emotional stakes at play, real consequences of the world, rather a radio drama cast going through some weird relations ie all the stuff with Mackenzie and Keener and Sokolova pre outbreak, all the stuff with... Mitchell or whatever his name is, anything, it's just filler but it's not even good filler

[tulip patio]

yeah exactly, many comms while at first sight kind of mundane helped put a contrast between what the world was and how it is now, but they made us really feel that loss

and yeah I honestly don't even much remember what these newer comms said, but I can still recall some of the older ones that felt more impactful

[ashen jungle]

If the comms could always be collected in a relevant way, like in the mission itself, then that's at least workable for the majority of players.

[glad spruce]

If filler means comms where the character deal with day to day life and not just serving the plot, then sure.

[ashen jungle]

but having crucial lore in Descent is like having crucial lore in Conflict Caches.

[glad spruce]

There's always Youtube

[patent narwhal]

I am not watching lore videos

[sick lantern]

that too
having the ongoing plot be just "audio log number XX" is uhh not great lmao, MGSV tapes anyone?

[patent narwhal]

and I don't think most people want to either

I want my games story just to be accessible

[glad spruce]

Look, you will not convince me that the story is garbage

[ashen jungle]

NGN should be getting paid a salary if he's a requirement for understanding the story.

[glad spruce]

Ever

[sick lantern]

k

[ashen jungle]

I didn't say it was garbage.

[glad spruce]

Webkinz thinks it's garbage, so yes

[patent narwhal]

just go watch recap lol is a very poor excuse for the story being hard to understand for new/returning players

[ashen jungle]

@glad spruce If you are replying to someone, you need to indicate that.

[tulip patio]

I don't think it's garbage just not really up to par in certain areas yet

[sick lantern]

I'm the source of a hive mind apparently

[patent narwhal]

I just think its whatever a lot of the time

its cool but far too vague recently

and forgettable

[glad spruce]

Do you consider YouTube videos where they just play comms as recap?

[ashen jungle]

The issue is having to go to a 3rd party site to get access to crucial lore.

story in a game should be in the game.

[glad spruce]

Okay, so what do you guys actually want?!

[ashen jungle]

Comms.

In the game.

That we don't have to play a gamemode that barely anyone plays.

[patent narwhal]

a story not hidden behind a weekly project in a gamemode most people dont care for

[tulip patio]

I want better comms and not Keener talking with Viper for the 1000th time about what type of biscuits they like to dip in milk

[patent narwhal]

a big bad that has a reason to be a big bad that isnt just some vague thing about nukes or something?????

[ashen jungle]

I'll be honest, I like the idea of Descent, but I've never gotten more than 1 person to matchmake for it, since call-for-backup doesn't work.

[glad spruce]

You're being hyperbolic

[tulip patio]

yes but my point is too many are filler

[ashen jungle]

So are you.

[patent narwhal]

despite playing every season I cant tell you why the big bads are big bads outside of like vague handgesturing because they're heads of BT or whatever so they must be comically evil

[glad spruce]

Descent has a purpose in the story.

Removing it is a bad idea

[ashen jungle]

Hawk, are you talking to someone that no one else can see?

[tulip patio]

I would not remove it, just make it maybe so we get comms per loop not for completion

[ashen jungle]

Literally no one said "delete descent as a game mode" in this group conversation.

[tulip patio]

I can finish it solo like 90% of times but sometimes I am careless I died right next to nemesis so it feels eeeeh to start it again

[ashen jungle]

It's "we want the lore in a manner where we can obtain it". That is not a radical idea.

[tulip patio]

or they could make the less crucial comms tied to modes and leave the more crucial ones to season and season mission

[patent narwhal]

I want the lore coming from either open world or stuff tied to the current seasons story not from a gamemode project once per week

[ashen jungle]

Question: is there info anywhere that says how Keener lived, that isn't in Descent? I'm drawing a blank.

[patent narwhal]

holograms or something

idk its a dumb reason it makes sense but like wow I dont like it!

[ashen jungle]

I know how it was done, I'm asking if the info is outside of Descent.

[glad spruce]

Yes, last season. Where he and Theo tested the Descent tech they borrowed from the facility

[patent narwhal]

I don't think so

maybe one or two comms that gesture towards it

[sick lantern]

cal and nat even have a conversation at the end of Hunted, the closest thing to any development on either's motivations
Nat says she wants to "save the world from itself" that's the depth of her lmao. it's literally been touched on nowhere else, they are literally just moustache twirling villains

[glad spruce]

Sure

[sick lantern]

no explanation as to what what actually means

[ashen jungle]

Bringing a major villain back from the dead needs clarity.

[strange rock]

Descent has been neglected for a while now in terms of new features that the only thing keeping it relevant is the comms
Descent has issues but having comms is not one of them

[sick lantern]

or how helping kill billions saves anything of the world as we know it

[patent narwhal]

its the same thing with keener honestly I know theres a reason somewhere in the sea of comms as to why hes good now despite trying to genocide NY but its like so vague and blurry to me that I have no idea what it is

[glad spruce]

Considering the conversation, I'm convinced that I'm the only one who checks the comms every time I get one

[tulip patio]

I do not recall every detail perfectly but basically it was just suddenly changed to he's really great guy and now our ally in one of the seasons, there were little bits of lore that sort of hinted at it before, but the change was quite sudden

[patent narwhal]

I doubt many people do because hiding main story stuff behing comms isnt a great idea!

[glad spruce]

Agree to disagree

[tulip patio]

before he was a manipulator with some humanity but still quite deranged I would say from my perspective, WONY convined me more, but yeah suddenly he was building a haven for people

[patent narwhal]

sure wonder why for basically all of launch to WoNY launch practically all of the comms were extra worldbuilding and not heres the why as to everything in this world

[strange rock]

You could make a case some of the lore from descent should've been in the open world

But most of it is fine in descent

[glad spruce]

Sure

[tulip patio]

the bits about the different AIs and such definitely belongs in Descent

[strange rock]

Like I remember one descent comm revealing the hunter program
That should've been in a season or something

Different AIs and the Ortiz couple conversations yeah that's descent

[tulip patio]

agreed around the Recruiter season is where we should have gotten more

[sick lantern]

personally I'd say the retcons to well established information belonged not in the game
and I'd say they were easily retcons for the worse managing to turn ANNA into an annoying Mary Sue

[glad spruce]

Really? The existence of ANNA and Diamond is a retcon?

[patent narwhal]

this what I'm talking about what the hell is diamond I 💙 story being hidden away in a bottomless swamp of comms

[glad spruce]

Black Tusk's equivalent of ISAC

[sick lantern]

not what I said

the backstory of their creation, and the entire existence of Ortiz Robotics, is shoddy continuity

not that they exist

although the fact that no one in the SHD ever realised the BT had an automated system running their tech, rather silly if you ask me

[patent narwhal]

whats even the point of shd agents atp

[sick lantern]

to be led in circles by everyone else who are just 1000x more gigabrains than them

[glad spruce]

Save what remains.

It's just that save what remains doesn't involve the government and their aides

[patent narwhal]

it seems like the story has gotten so tangled up in what if shd was bad actually maybe kinda sorta that we've gone from THE BEST OF THE BEST WITH THE HIGHEST TECH EVER to chumps suckin on their thumbs playin with like sticks and mud

[sick lantern]

📠

[glad spruce]

We're still the best.

But we're against a giant

[patent narwhal]

david vs goliath but david is just like a baby doing nothing

we're the best only because the story dictates us to win in the end but everything else is just like comical incompetency on the enemies part whenever we need to win

[glad spruce]

As far as I'm concerned, Keener and his Rogues is our salvation against tyranny

[ashen jungle]

That is literally the point of the Division though, it's about continuity of government, first and foremost.

[glad spruce]

And if the government happens to work with Black Tusk?

[patent narwhal]

then we gotta follow through

[glad spruce]

So, basically a puppet

[patent narwhal]

thats what we've been yes

and are

[glad spruce]

Sorry, but I'm not inclined to ever work with Black Tusk

[ashen jungle]

We're operatives for a secret government agency, we are not the Avengers.

we are effectively a secret police.

[glad spruce]

Okay, is Manny the enemy then? What about the Castle? Are they the enemy too?

[ashen jungle]

If the mission says yes: then yes.

[glad spruce]

I don't have to accept the mission, do I?

[ashen jungle]

Enjoy comitting Treason, then.

[glad spruce]

See, this is why I prefer Rogue

[ashen jungle]

aka: Rogue status.

[patent narwhal]

I 💙 genocide and killing tons of people with bioweapons so that some egotistical narcissist who kills people he disagrees with without second thought can save us from tyranny because clearly he could never be tyrannical

cant wait for it to be reworked to um actually the eclipse only kills EVIL bad black tusk cabal people only

[glad spruce]

City Hall and the Hunters who were there deserved to die

Look, it's obvious that this is going in circles.

Especially when we still have the same old Rogue = evil nonsense

[patent narwhal]

maybe they shouldn't hide the story saying otherwise behind comms because what the hell do you mean hunters at city hall

[ashen jungle]

That's the thing about the Agents, we're caught between our stated purpose, and our game purpose.

[patent narwhal]

this does not come up during WoNY 😭

[glad spruce]

I was trolling a bit.

[ashen jungle]

Trolling?

[patent narwhal]

I'd say keep clear from it because you aren't good at it

[glad spruce]

Either way, we're gonna be fighting Nat and Cal for a long time.

Whether some of us want to or not

[wicked gorge]

Sarcasm is hate to detect over text unless you know the person

[glad spruce]

Personally, I find the SHD's mandate as corrupt, especially when it means if agents follow it to the letter, they have to kill civilians if the government orders them so.

"Hey, see this civilian settlement, Agents? We don't like them, so kill em"

I think the story is trying to tell us that following the continuity of government is a lost cause.

[patent narwhal]

and killing civs just because is somehow better if its not done by the government

[wicked gorge]

He didn’t say that

[glad spruce]

The government is not infallible.

[patent narwhal]

I don't see how government telling agents to kill civs is a point when like every other faction especially the guy who has caused several factions to kill civs and tried to genocide NY with a bio weapon is the other option

[glad spruce]

And considering the Hunter program, I don't see why we should trust and follow the government

[patent narwhal]

like ok so what if SHD agents have to kill civs when the other option is just what if we just killed everyone we dont like just because or whatever this is so meaningless

[wicked gorge]

Then some with do it and some will go rogue, id go rogue in this case. Its just your mindset and deciding if the mission is more important than your morality

[patent narwhal]

I think having a certifiable civilian body count thats leaps and bounds higher than the other side generally makes you the worse side

especially if you try to add onto it by hitting a major population center with a bio weapon 😭

you can't really paint over trying to wipe a city clean of people just because well shd are puppets as if that isnt what they signed up to be from day 1

[glad spruce]

Well, and Battle for Brooklyn's story is a standalone, so that should make some people happy

[ashen jungle]

Define "standalone".

Because in the normal terms, it's one that is entirely separate from the previous plot in a series.

aka: one that you can play whilst knowing nothing before that.

[wicked gorge]

Its not tied in to the actual story story and has its own story that wont affect the main story

[glad spruce]

As in, it's not a continuation of the current storyline and it involves us going to Brooklyn to help save it from Cleaners with enhanced flamethrowers that burn purple

[ashen jungle]

I find it difficult to believe that it won't tie in to the post-WONY content in some way.

DLC's that release not long before a sequel game are basically designed to be prologues.

[wicked gorge]

It really ties in because of Theo and the settlement being Keeners but they say it wouldn’t have an affect on the main story

[ashen jungle]

That is really weird.

And also kinda implies that we're getting another one before div3. .

Unless all the build-up work is going to be done via Manhunts?

[wicked gorge]

Probably the manhunts

Since Div 3 is in development, it could imply they’ll set Sokolova as the thanos type of villain

[ashen jungle]

I mean, obviously lol.

But the lead-up to that in a big showy DLC would help build up the hype.

Strontium +Copper flamethrower wielding cleaners is pretty and all, but doesn't exactly feel like a chapter end.

[storm socket]

the fact that Kelso hasn't said a word ever since she went Rogue is worrying

hope they bring her actress back for the Brooklyn DLC

[ashen jungle]

She'll be in it, she isn't exactly pulling O'neil roles.

[cobalt rapids]

Seems like Kelso learned from Sheriff that being silent works damn well to get the job done.

[marble dawn]

is Meret company's background before it became a fashion oriented one new info?
wonder if we'll get a Meret brand set 😁

[glad spruce]

Not exactly. One of the collectibles from the incursion was a book that's a semi-fictional biography of the Meret family.

[marble dawn]

oh, one of the three artifacts? only heard the comms, but been a while since then

[glad spruce]

Yep

[shadow mason]

This might have already been answered at least once, but if the JTF didn't pulled out of the NY DZs suddenly, wouldn't most of the first wave turned rogue?

[glad spruce]

Probably not. But it wouldn't matter cuz the situation was too FUBAR

[shadow mason]

I don't know, I figured that Keener wouldn't been one of the main villains, just still working with the SHD with a reasonable grudge towards the failure of the DZs, while something similar of the True Sons would form up as well.

[loud pilot]

I’m going back and playing through the division one again and I just got Keener’s agent file and how does he still have a watch because when you’re doing the agent traces in the division one you’re looking for their watches when you make it to the end you pick up their watches, so how does he still have a watch?

[young lily]

he probably took another agent's watch from one of the many he killed

[ashen jungle]

Using Kelso as an example, plenty of Agents have had multiple watches.

[floral gull]

Kelso has been wierdly quiet for several seasons now

Its almost as if her voice actress is unavailable or soemthing

[storm socket]

most likely

the strike is ongoing as well

at least I hope that's the case

I don't want her voice replaced

[floral gull]

So it seems like:

||Faye Lau was undercover Rogue
President Ellis was undercover
Bardon Schaefer was undercover
Kelso was undercover Rogue
Keener was misunderstood||

I think the plot twists has twisted one too many times and is now one big tropey spiral and our player agent is the last to know about anything before we go in to shoot and ask no questions

[late void]

They have to keep these things secret from our agent, we're far too talkative and would give away everything.

[torn shoal]

People need 2 things to become criminal : motivation and opportunity
Keener already had the motivation after a while we can see it in the echos from n'y before he turns rogue completely
Jtf pulling out was just the tip that made him rogue for real

[surreal hearth]

I’m honestly shocked

So that’s why he could never wake up

[surreal hearth]

||Rule number 1 don’t trust therapist then. Guess nat almost succeeded to kill schaeffer then. If not for Kelso warning us about the mole||.

||This would also means we cannot trust both the whitehouse nor the castle.||

[surreal hearth]

Too many plot twist.

[loud pilot]

I miss the simpler times of the division one when we had good story’s very little retcons and a storyline not based on plot twists

[glad spruce]

It's all retcons to you people, ugh....

Why can't y'all admit that the ||doctor was a traitor and deserved to die||

[loud pilot]

No one’s arguing that

[loud pilot]

I’m calling it next plot point is we as the mpc are on the hunter protocol list and haven’t been activated yet because we are already doing what cal wants us to do

[sudden mortar]

They really brought the he could be any one of us from the spy.

I started wondering if ||the mole was that guy with a cap, that always pushes me when I check my inventory||

[strange rock]

So do we get a || new barber || or what lol

[late void]

Gonna be ||pudding bowl haircuts|| from now on

[glad spruce]

||Yes||

[sage jackal]

||** ** ||

[gaunt ice]

no one is evil

theres only the russians now

[glad spruce]

One russian

[gaunt ice]

the Russian

[vagrant oak]

I wonder if the storyline become a f...ing plotwist like Case Closed comic

CIA, FBI, Police, etc...

I'll be damn

[past wagon]

Bruh why tf did ||Kelso just murder that doctor? ||Lol that was the dumbest shit

Although not quite as dumb as ||Schaefer just needing [what looked like] a shot of adrenaline to be perfectly fine again. SHD doesn’t have any?||

And ||Summers is still alive ||at the white house lol

[late void]

Probably ||he was the BT spy and was keeping Schaeffer unconscious deliberately||

[past wagon]

If only she was able to speak she could’ve said that lol

[ashen jungle]

Manny secretly happy that guy is dead because he kept stealing his favourite mug.
It's the only reason I can think of him saying nothing about the corpse.

[glad spruce]

For the last time, ||he was a traitor||

[late void]

Y'know, if you're tired of answering the same questions all the time, you could just leave them unanswered. It's not like you have a responsibility to make sure everyone understands, and it seems to be a source of frustration for you. It's highly likely more people will ask the same question over the next week or so.

[gaunt ice]

the doctor is like the most reasonable part of the story even though theres like next to 0 implication of him being the traitor to begin with

[patent narwhal]

I don't think most people even know about there being a traitor in the WH if so many are asking 😭

again what happens when you throw all of your story behind comms

[storm socket]

it was always like that

I like how some people don't even bother listening to them and then act confused about what happened

[patent narwhal]

it really wasnt always like that

yes I'd bet most people don't listen to them because most people dont seem to even get their commendations

[storm socket]

other than the missions, it was

[obtuse arrow]

I must have missed something in the comms I always listen to them I didn't realize there was a traitor in the white house and that doctor seemed the least likely to be one, If he was wouldn't he have just killed Schaeffer and then escaped?

[strange rock]

Cutscenes are a lot more time consuming and expensive to make and would bloat the game size

So I'm not sure they have much of a choice if they want to tell a story

[floral gull]

Don’t worry, we can watch NGN when he has the next video up

[sick lantern]

and the endless, monolithic amount of comms has bloated the narrative

like idk maybe they could've made half as many voice recordings, less cost on VAs and make them more important and focused

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[storm socket]

there's a Descent comm where Keener and Viper discuss Bardon's status, and Summers is the person mentioned taking care of him. it's not a confirmation, but a hint.
then there's Summers' silhouette in the key art

I don't think there's anything else hinting at him being the mole/traitor

so it definitely isn't coming out of left field

[strange rock]

There's an argument for that but I would imagine they are very cheap to make

[patent narwhal]

1/90 comms from a mode few play let alone enjoy 😭

for the majority of the playerbase it may as well be out of left field

it may as well be comin out of the park to begin with

[strange rock]

Well they're adding more descent comms so they're staying in that direction

[surreal hearth]

I never thought that a single murder would spark a conversation

[storm socket]

and Kelso is impulsive, so killing him like that doesn't stray away from her character

[sick lantern]

i don't think that was the problem lol

[storm socket]

some people found that to be a problem, though

[obtuse arrow]

Makes sense, BTSU must have promised him hair transplants in Turkey to fix his hairline.

[obtuse arrow]

Hopefully, He hasn't uploaded much lately

[surreal hearth]

She probably did the same thing with Espinosa

[glad spruce]

Yeah, but somehow some people here think it's okay with betraying the Castle/White House if it meant furthering the Division's mission.

[surreal hearth]

There’s already a lot of “divisions” in the division

[patent narwhal]

nobody has said this

you're conflating people being confused as to why kelso would kill him because its so vague and hidden that theres a mole in the first place with people saying he shouldnt be killed or whatever

[sick lantern]

you know, when that line got said originally, it was referring to rogue agents

[floral gull]

Typical rogue behavior, she’s a natural

[surreal hearth]

I thought it’s because there’s no actual leadership within the division.

[sick lantern]

that's the point of the division

[torn shoal]

there is, but in the general sense like "go help people", how they do is up to them

[ashen jungle]

Technically: we are supposed to have a regional commander, who's in general charge of the Agents in the area.
in div1, that was Lau after the OG one was video-game choppered to death.

IIRC Manny is our one right now.

[torn shoal]

i finally finished the manhunt and saw the cinematic, that was something

i def dont believe ||ellis being a good person and sacrificing himself||

of all the wacky shit in the div, lore or gameplay, thats the most egregious

soon they gonna retcon nat being bad and she gonna help the entire country and agents to save the world at this rate

[sudden mortar]

At least ||they didn't imply the idea that doctor Summers didn't die but he got trapped by a robot near a black hole (nobody will get this non-division reference).||

[glad spruce]

||Considering his written memos had him trying to convince myself to not relinquish The Ark Protocol to Nat, I don't see it as unbelievable.||

I see it as perspective

[torn shoal]

i see him as selfish, thats def not the same

also we dont know whats in there thats so valuable

[kind hare]

Ellis is still a d#ck, but it was definitely shown earlier on that he was having huge doubts about joining up with Sokolova.

[ashen jungle]

The dreaded auto-mod strikes again.

[kind hare]

LOL I thought you'd like that haha

[ashen jungle]

ngl, was kinda funny seeing your name in there.

[sudden mortar]

I told you ISAC was boring 🙄

[glad spruce]

||As per the ECHO we saw in the mission, it was given to Lau's Smart Watch||

And we all know that Kelso has Lau's watch with her

[torn shoal]

ellis not wanting to join nat is understandable, she is insanely dangerous even for the worst person ever

its more of a survival instinct than "im a good person so i dont help nat"

why join nat in that case even

[sick lantern]

join black tusk
dislike black tusk leader
die(?)
profit

[sudden mortar]

I mean, if you don't join BT, Nat will probably tell the cleaners that you are sick or McManus will send a heavily armed hostile after you.

[sick lantern]

if he only there was some sort of elite agency with highly trained operatives active he could’ve allied with

[torn shoal]

"yeah lets ditch the only not insane and not trying to kill people faction that could save us and join the def insane + trying to kill people faction so i can die and make everyone lose the plot for 7 years"

ellis probably

[glad spruce]

It's really that simple.

He was a power hungry coward who wanted to be respected and admired.

[torn shoal]

Yeah, but again, thoses type of people dont go away willingly

You either take them out or they will get more power

The last écho is completely inconsistant with everything Ellis is

Im fine with some retcon to adapt the story to some plot holes you have, or steer the story in a new direction

But this is litterally everything we had being erased

Keener is good, Ellis is good, rogues are good, basically everyone relate to shd beside cal and Hunters that betrayed the country are good now ?

At this point who's evil beside nat ? Im not even sure cal will stay evil at this rate

"isac is off mission so I wanted to save the country" type of écho we might get someday

Im fine with double agents, people going rogue to do stuff we need but isac doesnt allow, but Ellis is a step too far, he is litterally président, there is nobody that can stop him, he has control over shd, why join bt and then die

Lau I can accept, it's consistent, Keener I can accept but it's a stretch, same theo, but Ellis ? Nah, all the info we had about him was that he is a selfish guy that would dream to be in nat's place

We start to get close to the movie knockoff with all the people switching sides

And it's not a compliment

Even with jcvd

(sorry for the rant im big mad now im gonna sleep)

[gaunt ice]

ive been saying this for ages now but i guess uh, “so, what?” then🤷‍♂️

Ellis was either a fraudulent president or a stupid one for never using his presidency to command SHD, and now he’s apparently just a good fella being used by BT?

[sleek plover]

I personally think eventually the plot will go "Keener is still an arsehole" mode, and we have to fight against both sides, the message being SHD should stand with the american people not just "government(as seen in Cal and Ellis)"

Tbh I am very sure this so called "Cabal" is Moravian society.

Besides Keenr seems very fond of Greek myth motifs

[sick lantern]

that is literally what we have been doing the whole time. we have been fighting against the government (traitors in the government)

[sleek plover]

and damn I hate LMB

[sick lantern]

even during div 1 there was no presidential orders, just free balling it to help the people

[torn shoal]

@gaunt ice bud you never said anything close to this. Ellis isnt a fake président, just stoo

[gaunt ice]

i feel like ive discussed how Ellis is a fraud before but maybe it was somewhere else

[spice stag]

What do you guys think of Kelso?

[keen maple]

Are we talking as an agent or looks?

[keen maple]

Honestly I think he’s into that mostly to piss off the agent with his riddles and hints

[torn shoal]

ellis isnt a fraud

i told u several times about this and you rought no arguments to support that claim

[keen maple]

He ain’t a fraud, but he’s just JFK’s body double

[torn shoal]

im pretty sure the looks can be talk about in #divashion

[keen maple]

True

But as an agent, honestly she’s the last one I’d expect to go rouge

[torn shoal]

knowing how restrictive it is to stay non rogue, im not surprised

[keen maple]

Mhh, I mean Faye had her reasons

[torn shoal]

lot of rogues tried to do good in their way

[keen maple]

Keener honestly was the most believable and understandable

He lost trust in the government but not like the rest, just in his own way

[torn shoal]

most believable yes, understandable no

[keen maple]

Ehh true

[torn shoal]

his whole going rogue is normal, what he did after is insane

[keen maple]

I mean Theo went rouge because of what happened to his father

[torn shoal]

• keener mentoring

[keen maple]

Mostly

[keen maple]

Yea, I swear if if I have to team up with him I’ll do what I did to Vivian Conley

Flamethrower mostly

[torn shoal]

sadly we need keener for now

[keen maple]

Because why not, I mean a burning enemy can’t shoot at you cause he’s on fire

[torn shoal]

for the rogue network

[keen maple]

He’s a useful pawn yes, but I’d watch him

[torn shoal]

now kelso is rogue too, so technically we should kill her

same theo

[keen maple]

Well no, we “talk” to them

Then kill them

I just want to talk to them

[torn shoal]

yeah but i dont think we should

its obvious now that isac programming is too restrictive

[keen maple]

I mean we could drill them for information most likely

But if they won’t talk then yea we can kill them

There not useful after that, Keener and Theo maybe but idk about Kelso

[torn shoal]

the cleaners really did a number on you, you only think about murdering people lmao

[keen maple]

They did a number on me just like they did Vivian Conley

Before I burnt her with a flamethrower

[torn shoal]

sadly thats not how you rebuild society

madmax should have taught you that

[keen maple]

The best way to rebuild society is a clean slate, everyone knows that

Just ask Amherst

🙏

[torn shoal]

well achktually

thats what doomers say, despite evidence its the wrong way to go

you dont build stuff by destroying

[sick lantern]

he failed his oath to uphold and protect the constitution as soon as he allied with BT

[ashen jungle]

He went along with the plot to murder the previous president, I think failing to uphold his oath is not the only thing he was guilty of.

[torn shoal]

i wish media litteracy was taught in school, it would help so much the conversation on so many topics

and we would get better stories

the div story is going a path that we cant really recover

in french we call them nanard, i dont know if there is a world in english to mean "its not great/kinda bad but im into it"

[gaunt ice]

also my argument for him being a fraud is that he has never tried to use his presidency to command SHD to stand down

when one thing about SHD that we do know is that they only answer to the president

saying that he’s just that dumb is kinda shallow writing, like “its convenient for us so it happens”

like wouldn’t kill if he just say “hey guys i have some contact to this PMC that used to work for our government and they can help us, just work with them :) “

that would allow them to flood Washington without anyone putting up a fight, and if they want to literally snuff out the division silently, Manny and Kelso would be 6 feet under somewhere before anyone notices

unless he cant from the beginning

[gaunt ice]

sunk cost fallacy?

too invested to give up on it?

[glad spruce]

I think my most favorite thing from the Climax mission are the comms where Viper rants about the flaws of her former friend, Mackenzie Meret.

[torn shoal]

@gaunt ice you're confusing bad writing with hidden motivations, and so far the writers didnt show they had some grand plan hidden all along that only you could have found, but they did show they made so many mistakes

also its not sunk cost fallacy, its just bad movies that are fun to watch cause they are dumb

you dont laugh cause the movie is funny, you laugh cause its so bad it becomes fun

[glad spruce]

You will work with Keener, whether you'll like it or not

[glad spruce]

How many presidents truthfully upheld to their oath?

[tulip patio]

soon enough we will be dropping virus bombs for the greater good too

[glad spruce]

If it means ending Black Tusk, then yes

[tulip patio]

yeah and maybe some civillians will get caught in the gas too

but I guess it's for greater good

[sick lantern]

how many cooperate with Russian backed mercenaries to coup the country?

[torn shoal]

you'd be surprised

[trim yarrow]

I'd work with him

[tepid ibex]

dollar flu casualties

[coarse blaze]

hello! do we know anything about what happening in the world of the division? (ignoring US)

[torn shoal]

yes there are some coms about the world situation, basically the us is doing pretty bad compared to the rest of the world

[neat pasture]

sounds like real life

[coarse blaze]

mhmh thank you

i wonder if we will have a the division game based on europe, i think it could be interesting idk

[late void]

If you search 'division 2 langley reports' on youtube you should be able to find the comms Lyfe mentioned.
Division is a US-specific agency so unlikely it'll go to Europe at any point.

[torn shoal]

shd is us specific, the us dont have jurisdiction over the rest of the world (even tho they act like it), so sending military personnel is basically an act of agression/war/etc

also they already struggling keeping the us from crumbling down

[eager viper]

So was the doc a traitor or was kelso just feeling murderous?..

[wicked gorge]

Yes

[glad spruce]

The doc was a ||mole working for Nat.||

||And Kelso likes to go the extra mile when murdering someone.||

I didn't think ||Kelso killing Summers would be that controversial.||

[torn shoal]

i think it was not made clear enough he was a traitor

[loud pilot]

Is it possible that that shot kelso gives Schaffer is like an anti benzodiazepines or something to counter act an anesthetic and that’s how the doctor intentionally kept him under

[glad spruce]

Yes. Cuz Rogue Gold went over that in his latest video

[loud pilot]

Who’s that?

[wicked gorge]

YouTuber that covers the game/lore

[loud pilot]

I’ll have to check them out the only reason I asked about the benzodiazepines possibility is because I know some people in the medical field and showed them the cutscene and that was one of the possibilities he gave me

[sudden mortar]

Do you guys think that agent Sanders is going to join Keener's crew with us?

[wicked gorge]

He talked about it during his discussion about the cutscene and Kelso killing our barber of seven years

Rest in peace, he was always able to change how long or how short my hair was

[young lily]

speaking of joshua where is his dossier? can't seem to find it anywhere

[loud pilot]

Ah ok thanks

[wicked gorge]

Go to the quartermaster and check the roster tab

[acoustic iron]

dumb question: in the latest manhunt why did kelso lure the agent to Rosevelt island to help Schaffer?

[rich lark]

Because we are the only competant agent

[acoustic iron]

can u briefly explain the whole situation, im kinda new to the division verse

like are we sided with Nat and Kelso dont trust us or something?

[rich lark]

No its slowly becoming the most soap opera thing ever. Basically the shadowy cabal has been revealed and turns out keener and the rogue agents even the president were all secretly planning to take down this cabal but because they couldn't trust us they just never let us know.

At least thats my understanding

[keen maple]

Man what I would sacrifice to get myself a drone that has a flamethrower on it

So what do you think the cleaners are doing in Brooklyn?

[gaunt ice]

they're always on about burning the virus so its probably more of just that
part of the dlc reveal says that the story of the dlc will not be related to the larger narrative about black tusk n all

[keen maple]

With their oil production done for, and their big drill destroyed…not much they can do

[keen maple]

I feel like over the years they’ve taken a shift from that kinda

[gaunt ice]

its been like 2 months since Schaeffer blacked out

[keen maple]

Sure they’ll burn stuff but I feel like it’s more “revenge against the division”

[gaunt ice]

so like, 3 months since warlord, not that long

[keen maple]

Bro is sleeping on the job 🙏🙏🙏😭😭😭

[rich lark]

Brooklyn will probz have some tie in but not a lot

[glad spruce]

No, we're still on the good side.

Kelso lured us to Roosevelt Island so she can go to the White House and kill the traitor.

[torn shoal]

At this point I wonder if there is a good side at all

[glad spruce]

The good side is the one fighting Black Tusk and the Hunters

[torn shoal]

so rogues are good now

including keener

rivens gonna be disappointed in you like my dad is disappointed in me

[glad spruce]

I'm pretty sure that already happened 😛

[torn shoal]

so you gonna inherit mod responsibilities someday i guess

like ai like son

cant wait for you to rename "riven's son" for next april fool

aight i might have gone a bit off topic, lets pretend we talk about lore now

like the doc that just died, did we got coms/cinematics with him before ? i feel like he came out of nowhere just do die

[glad spruce]

Yes. He was one of the staff members we recruited back in the base game's story.

He was mentioned a few times in the comms like in Y6S1 and in Descent comm 90.

[torn shoal]

I def have no memory of him

[gaunt ice]

its been 6 years i dont blame you
though im fairly sure he's one of the people you rescued in y5s1 or s2

[glad spruce]

Nah, he wasn't.

The people we rescued in Year 5 was: John Yazzie, Eva Garcia, Lauren Fong, Mitchell Billings, Mari Singh, Cindy McAllister, Mel Arnold, Jack Arnold, Vikram Malik and his adopted sister, Birdie.

[torn shoal]

i barely remember mari singh and birdie, i only remember birdie cause she was sassy af and im down for that, and mari cause game bugged out and now i permanently have a side objective marker on my map saying to talk to mari in castle lol

we had no attachment to them before i dont even know if they existed in the game before broken wings

everyone else is an npc that only exist on paper to me

[glad spruce]

Right

[sudden mortar]

We met some of them on some classified assignments.

[torn shoal]

ah, i dont have the year 1 pass so i passed on thoses

[rich lark]

They are really fun side missions but beyond the cool locations not much else

Like I really enjoy working through the prision getting to have this unique mission of getting turncoats to safety but then like in one playthrough you've done them all on and got the trophy

[torn shoal]

yeah but 20e for that

thats kinda insane

i aint paying that much for 8 side missions

the price of video games especially mtx are insane

meanwhile you can pay 50bucks and play clair obscur and its worth every cent

or even less if you got a promo code

[cold axle]

how can i talk with support live chat cuz the support i talked with him in email he is big stupid

[torn shoal]

this is not the right channel, also i dont think there is a live chat for support with how many tickets they have to handle, mail to support is your best bet

[cold axle]

my account was hacked and i made recover request and they sent to me same message every time
i sent everything to them and they said sorry we cant sure if you r owen of the account
i talked to them from the original email and they didnt even asked me one question

support of ubisoft trash af

[torn shoal]

this is not even related to the division, you're in the wrong place to ask for help

[cold axle]

where can i ask help where?????

[torn shoal]

i told u, ubisoft support directly

[cold axle]

already i did it and they sent same message everytime like ai

i made 5 request

[torn shoal]

if support cant help you, you wont find help here

also you should enable double authentification to not get hacked

[cold axle]

i enable it
hacker skip everything

[torn shoal]

you cant skip double authentification, and again, this is not the right place for that

try support

[cold axle]

omg so how he skip it????

kosomak

[torn shoal]

bruh, insulting me wont give your account back

if you want it back, talk to support, and try not insuting them this time

[torn shoal]

afo can def be shot down

just cause its harder doesnt mean its invincible

nothing in the world is unstoppable

[sick lantern]

i don't think there's any armour in the world lightweight enough to fly well whilst also tanking shots from an Avenger

[torn shoal]

basically : the law of physics apply to everything and everyone, nothing is invincible

even if players in game can tank more bullets if they go in green circle

[rich lark]

I think the funniest example is when the Beast got stuck in england

The beast is the presidental car and it's so heavily armoured and so secure and yet it got beat by an english speed bump

[torn shoal]

not surprising, its made for the us where thoses arent really a thing

[keen maple]

Do we know who shot it down in game?

I haven’t really looked into but honestly I blame the Black Tusk

[sick lantern]

true sons

[keen maple]

Ah

[sick lantern]

why would the black tusk shoot down their own puppet

[keen maple]

True

Maybe that puppet is replaced by better puppet

[rich lark]

Not their puppet

[sick lantern]

Ellis, the guy was working for and with the Black Tusk, was not the Black Tusk’s puppet

[rich lark]

||Kelso's final manhunt spoilers but basically it's revealed Ellis was helping Faye and Keener infiltrate the Cabal his death by Faye was him doing his duty and sacrificing himself||

Spoilers for kelso hunt

[sick lantern]

that was later

lau hadn’t even “gone rogue” when air force 1 got shot down before the game

[rich lark]

I know but he still wasn't a puppet

[sick lantern]

yes he was, they put him in power by assassinating the former president and then he brought the BSAV to them

Ellis’ memoirs or whatever were made later

[tender jackal]

Kinda new to the lore but do McManus and Nat need each other for their goals? Could it be possible the Hunters betray Black Tusk?

With all the double crossings I'm reading about it wouldn't be totally unexpected imo

[rich lark]

Tbh with how the stories going I wouldn't be suprised if Hunters became good guys and we had an alliance

[loud pilot]

I’m replaying d2 on hardcore and whatever happened to our agents calling sheriff like we just became agent

[tender jackal]

I don't think I'd like it if the Hunters became good, more so they become a pain in everyone's asses.

[glad spruce]

I don't think the Hunters will ever be good.

They were created as failsafe in case Division agents don't follow their mandate

[keen maple]

Well if the mandate wasn’t to steal the last McDonalds 20 piece of chicken nuggets, might as well go rouge

[glad spruce]

My internal brain screams any time someone spells Rogue as Rouge

[torn shoal]

still better than engel barrel

[loud pilot]

Frick is an Engel barrel

[glad spruce]

Someone misspelled Eagle Bearer as Engel Barrel

[loud pilot]

Ah

[small knot]

I wonder where Theo is now since Schaffer is being interrogated in the room now

I don’t see him at the White House after running around looking for him

[torn shoal]

along with the usual rouge, refractor, regular, oreo, etc

[glass notch]

What about........ Brooklyn?

Manny would've sent him Brooklyn with us

[small knot]

That would make sense, him setting up and getting ready there for us and Kenner to show up

Also someone else is interrogating Schaffer instead of manny

Someone named Hanny cause manny is by the dark zone operator lady

[glass notch]

Ah yes, kenner

[glass notch]

Nah it's Nanny

[sleek plover]

Its kinda sad that world famous nyc pizza is all but extinct by now 😢

Hope one of the surviving civ is a pizza chef

[frosty spoke]

More like to hunt rogues and agents that actually become pain in the ass, not everyone with red watch per se. At least thats what I remember from Decent comm that covered creation of Hunter Protocol

[sick lantern]

and that’s not correct either, they’re the personal goons for mcmanus as part of his treasonous scheme

[torn shoal]

hunters consider every agent as rogue since they dont follow the continuity of gov anymore

isac is following its directive aka saving what remains as long as it doesnt contradict a direct order from a higher person in chain of command, but mcmanus doesnt have authority over it, so it just consider them all as traitors

that should tell you how bad things are and how worse they could be if isac and shd command was high jacked by someone like manus

if agents werent given authority to fight to save civilians, bt would be in complete control of the country and its nukes

but writers decided to give it plot armor obviously

tbh, both hunters and agents are mindless soldiers here, none of them question anything happenning

both just say "im on the right side" while killing thousands of civilians that try to survive and were left to die by gov and only managed to outlive the others by sheer violence

the other factions knows they arent good, but they dont care, they do what they do out of necessity/desperation, at least they dont pretend

[glad spruce]

Maybe that's why I like the Rogues

[winged reef]

Slightly off topic question, but within the story, do is there a way for rogue agents to get cleared from being “rogue” if they didn’t do anything super egregious? Like those who were marked as rogue for pulling out of the dark zone when the jtf were leaving, cause not all of them were bad. In the words of Kajika “if we stay we’re dead, if we leave we’re rogue.”. Especially since the division is running low on agents as it is.

[marble dawn]

Arent keener's and parnell's watches orange now?
Hasn't really been explained though

[winged reef]

I figured that was just a rogue tech feature, like how || in the books his rogues were able to make their tech show up as orange ||

[marble dawn]

oh yeah probably

[sudden mortar]

Basically a jailbreak SHD watch.

[true fox]

Book Hunter

June, July and August 2017

[sick lantern]

it was in Compromised, actually, and Keener had nothing to do with it.

not directly or in a major way that is

[winged reef]

I thought they mentioned they were keeners rogues, using his rogue network tech

[sick lantern]

every rogue was using keener's rogue network tech. that was the point, that any old division agent could access it

one of them is mentioned as "an associate" of keener's but keener has a bunch of associates

[torn shoal]

rogue is a death sentence

same way soldiers arent allowed to retreat in battle

[torn shoal]

yeah at least they have a brain working, even if its not always for the best

[sick lantern]

that’s not even remotely true

not even in the soviet union

[ashen jungle]

Okay let's not get into IRL stuff here, stick to the diviverse.

[tulip patio]

think there were some comms about how at first ISAC was really strict about agents even breaking into a pharmacy to get some meds

but it was later changed to be less restrictive, I doubt the agents who got maked then were suddenly killed or something

but agents who went rogue of their own accord yeah I guess not treated lightly, at best arrested I guess

[sick lantern]

mcmanus had ortiz robotics make it so that rogue agents still had access to their SHD tech, the rogue requirements didn’t change

[tulip patio]

oh ok think I remembered wrong, though it feels a little bad to get stuck rogue after doing something that's part of the mission

[sick lantern]

that’s the magic of weird writing (irl answer)/ isac stupidity (in universe answer)

[tulip patio]

they're basically relying on chatgpt for state security in universe I guess lol

[winged reef]

That story is true tho, during the beginning of the outbreak an agent was marked rogue for breaking into a pharmacy for meds, without her tech she was gunner down, leading to McManus requesting the change to allow agents marked as rogue to still have access to their tech

With how touchy Isac can be I imagine there were plenty of agents marked rogue for bs reasons

[torn shoal]

well all of 1st wave was marked as rogue while most of them were just trying to help civilians

but isac said "let them die"

at the same time some agents had to get out to not die but isac said "you let them die thats bad you rogue now"

isac doesnt understand this, there is only orders to follows for it

[ornate gull]

Every agent is considered rogue

[torn shoal]

only by mcmanus

[loud pilot]

What ever happened to our agents code name in the base game campaign like manny and kelso used to call us the sheriff and now it’s like we are somebody they don’t know calling us agent

[ornate gull]

I don't see any problem with that

NYC 2nd wave player agent doesn't even have code name

[loud pilot]

Yeah but like they introduce if for our agent then forget about it

[somber geyser]

Hello, is this the division 1 or 2 discord server?

[torn shoal]

yes

[somber geyser]

What yes

[torn shoal]

its both

[wicked gorge]

The reaper of New York you mean

[obsidian jay]

Also
If you start a new character off in WLONY you are just in NYC before Kelso
She even says that shes just your backup from DC as if you two never met
Does that mean another agent took care of DC?
Or is it just a neat feature for newbies

[ashen jungle]

The origins of our PC have always been somewhat "grey canon", it's generally understood that a single Agent isn't the same one completing all of the Events in DC alone, made somewhat confusing by the "Sheriff" nickname.
My personal take, is that at one point in time, it was just "any nearest Agent", but now you are an actual character, kinda like in Destiny 2 where you suddenly have a speaking role after years of being a silent protagonist.

[rich lark]

Hence why All my Three agents are different got my NYC, BROOKLYN AND DC AGENT

[spice stag]

So, what is Y7S1 gonna be focused on when it releases?

[wicked gorge]

My guess, keeners plan

[glad spruce]

It's called ||Crossroads||

[ashen jungle]

The temptation to post the "crossroads banner glitch" right now is overwhelming.

[obsidian jay]

h u h ?

[ashen jungle]

During the crossroads apparel event, the banner had the same texture glitch as the White House gate guards's gun sometimes gets.

Just seems fitting for following Keener's plan.

[glad spruce]

I wasn't aware of that glitch, but I'll take your word for it.

[obsidian jay]

ahhh.

[ashen jungle]

@misty shore Mastermind to what, exactly?

[misty shore]

like she's planning all of this in some way kind of thing but pretending really well that she isn't

if you think of it, if she's the one that planned all of this would be a big shock and interesting plot twist kind of thing

[ashen jungle]

I'm asking what "all of this" that she's planning.

[misty shore]

but i have no clue, trying to make it through the NGN lore videos to see waht i'm missing that people seem to know what's going on

like the dollar flu bit, getting keener to do the things he's done

[misty shore]

what if div 3 we just get out of some simulation and we're now just trying to prevent what we saw in 1&2 from happening ever?

[ashen jungle]

That's really, really stupid.

I'm not going to sugarcoat it. That's the dumbest thing I've heard today.

And that's counting how today, someone on this server tried to send me a scam message.

[misty shore]

oh i can imagine. like i said i haven't watched the lore aspect of it, forgotten a lot of it from div 1 and div 2 really

[rich lark]

I mean it might explain why Abraham Lincoln is in a space suit on a Time travelling reindeer as the project art for div 3

[kind hare]

Dic pics? I get a lot of those too

[torn shoal]

What was the show that did "actually he was in a dream" back in the day ? Dallas or something ? It was absolutely awful lol

[rich lark]

I know life on Mars did something like it

[wicked gorge]

I thought of the walking dead coma theory

[ashen jungle]

Literally "buy my commission" and a link to a bit.ly lol.

[ashen jungle]

St Elsewhere.

fun fact: it also broke like, most of TV as a result.

[torn shoal]

Yeah it was so bad lmao

Sometimes I get impostor syndrome then I tell myself at least I didnt crash an entire market by myself

[kind hare]

Oh, your spam sounds more boring but certainly less intrusive!

[ashen jungle]

If it helps, I do get plenty of that stuff, but it's usually more threats than "hey gurl".

[kind hare]

Ah yup, that's more the level of things I get sent 😅

[ashen jungle]

You would think that the word "lesbian" in my name, the rainbow skull in my pfp, and the lesbian flag surrounding my pfp, would deter the rest.

[kind hare]

I used to keep a folder of all the weird images I get sent, but given that my search history very heavily leans on things like, "How to create smallpox" and "Where to order X genetic material"... I didn't want them to be brought out in my court case if my PC's were seized.

[ashen jungle]

Lol, I actually keep a discord server with the weirder stuff I get sent/see, there's some wild stuff from folks on here.

[kind hare]

The internet people keep things interesting, thats for sure

[ashen jungle]

If you ever see a message from someone with the suffix "mancer", get ready for some crazy stuff.

[kind hare]

Oh exciting. I'll keep an eye out haha

The most interesting things I get said about me these days comes from a certain yellow rain-jacket.
So it's hard to take that seriously

Oh and @unreal widget - she likes to roast me from time to time these days 😆

But I'll give her that one, we've hung out in person and she's lovely

[ashen jungle]

That's cats for ya!

[kind hare]

I'm cat obsessed too, so that helps

[torn shoal]

from what i gather, its worse ?
people been telling me that as soon as they put some kind of stuff resembling anything like that in profile/name, they get waaaaay more spams/threats

basically anything related to a minority and people make sure to let you know that they heavily disagree

insert let people enjoy things meme

[sick lantern]

that was the entire premise

[unreal widget]

Only because you paid for your subs.

[kind hare]

Didn't you hear, we all did! Skillz, Widdz, DJtickle.... 😆

[ashen jungle]

The fact that one of the div2 youtubers is named "dj tickle", proves without a shadow of a doubt that they earned their subscribers lol.

[kind hare]

He's a good dude, I really like him

[unreal widget]

Tickle is awesome! He's one of those "What you see (on stream) is what you get" kinda people. Such a nice guy. 😄

[kind hare]

Definitely, I hadn't interacted with him too much leading up to the event, but he's such a friendly guy in person

When are we getting a DivCon? That would be fun

[misty shore]

like a pure Division Convention? would be pretty awesome to see one

[kind hare]

Exactly. Probably not a big enough game to support it, but I'd totally find my way there.

Even just to see the cosplay

[misty shore]

i know another game they have their own convention, friend was like "come to this!" i'm like nah, not playing the game anymore so it won't be fun for me

[potent magnet]

@unreal widget you both are going to make me blush

[kind hare]

The myth, the legend... there he is!

[misty shore]

complete with pictures?

[potent magnet]

I would just like to add @kind hare and @unreal widget are extreamly awesome people also.

[kind hare]

You made me feel extremely welcome in a situation I wasn't that comfortable in. So thank YOU.

Shhhh, @olive mason is online now

[potent magnet]

Typical Brit that talks to much 🤣

[misty shore]

he's like i felt 2 people we invited in discord here, better check in

[kind hare]

It's probably more like, "oh god, not these two"

Anyway I should probably stop hijacking the lore chat before I get told off.
As you were people! 😅

[torn shoal]

Geez guys get a room already

[misty shore]

wouldn't this be a room techinically?

[late void]

A less public room is the general implication.

@kind hare btw we have a rule against tagging devs, it probably still applies even if you know them personally (and Yannick almost never shows his face here anyway...)

[kind hare]

Good to know, thank you for the feedback. It won't happen again.

[kind hare]

I appreciate this, seriously! But this will now be my goal - to somehow have Yannick respond on here 😆

God I'm a pain in the ass

[late void]

Good luck! I think I saw something recently about aiming to have the devs a bit more involved with the community, and you've got more chance than most of us.

[kind hare]

I'm a hell of a squeaky wheel when I need to be, but I don't think I'm that good.
However I love being told I can't do something 😉

[torn shoal]

ngn gonna fly to massive studios and put his tent in front to hail yannick as he goes out and then ask for his phone number and to answer in this channel

[kind hare]

Fun fact about me. A big part of why I started making videos on youtube is because an acquaintance told me I couldn't do it.
People who doubt me only feed me.

[late void]

I take this back then, you've got zero chance!
(jk)

[torn shoal]

i feel you, i actually went and got my high school diploma and go to uni only cause the social worker at my school told me it would be better to drop school and go into the work force lmao

she was like "nah you aint built for it better give up" so i had to prove her wrong

[kind hare]

Hell yes. I love hearing this stuff

I actually hate being a "content creator", I just like being a part of the community, and this is the only way I know how

[torn shoal]

well you're a big reason i played div 2 again, i wouldnt have touched the game if i couldnt get up to date with lore in an interesting way

playing in year 1 was rough with all the crashes

[kind hare]

I'm a high school drop out because of teachers. I spent my last years that should have been at high school at university.
We all learn in different ways, and high school is probably the worst way of figuring this out.
I now have 3 degrees and I'm working on a masters.

You choose your own path

[torn shoal]

damn son, u the goat

[kind hare]

HAHA I'm just a nerd that tries not to GAF about others opinions

[glad spruce]

Lucky you. 😄

I care too much what people think about me and their opinions

[unreal widget]

Same! Although, the older I get the less I care about what others think and it's awesome! 🤭

[glass notch]

@kind hare how are u?

[ashen jungle]

@sullen oak You're looking for #lfg-playstation, GL Agent

[sullen oak]

Didn't know. Sorry

[torn shoal]

i learned with time to not care, but it wasnt easy

[true fox]

Do you think DLC will happen at the same time as the crossroads season?
I don't think so

[glad spruce]

It will, cuz the very first season, Shadow Tide, was released alongside WONY

[late void]

Pretty sure both the next season and the dlc will start on 27th

[glad spruce]

Besides, I don't think there's been a live service game where the release date of a season and an expansion were different

[true fox]

So we will have a very large break between October to the fall (May 2017?)

Are you knowing that the introduction of the game has been removed?
It begins immediately on arrival in DC.

I do not understand the reason for this work.

[glad spruce]

No idea

[true fox]

Dr. Kendel, needs to ask about Vitaly and the bioreactor

or...

Let's get it back in some season.

[late void]

They wanted to streamline the process for new agents on various ways, so I'd guess it's part of that, but it does seem an odd choice.

[true fox]

very strange

[glad spruce]

Until we know where Black Tusk took Vitaly and the Bioreactor, we can't do that/

Also, BFB's story is more or less standalone, since it focuses more on saving Brooklyn from Cleaners with their enhanced purple flame stuff and galvanized Rikers

[true fox]

I remember that someone on this channel responded to the goal of Missil Eclipse, which was for hunters who were infiltrated in Manhattan, something like that ...
Does it make sense?

[true fox]

I'm aware, I just hope you didn't discard it at once, it doesn't have to be exactly in DLC this recovery of the two, just her conversation about the case.
It would be enough to know that this was not forgetfulness or deleted.

[torn shoal]

if your goal of killing a specific target is accomplished by killing everyone in the entire city just to be sure you dont miss, thats probably a bad thing

i cant believe i have to say this, but thousands or more civilians as a collateral is so much worse than most of the evil people in division ever did

"war crime" isnt even big of a word to describe that

[loud pilot]

Isn’t McManus in manhattan I swear I heard in a descent comm he was at ground zero or smthng like that

Or is he in New York City?

[torn shoal]

nobody knows where mcmanus is, we have no info except he works with nat

[glad spruce]

He was in New York back during the initial outbreak.

But aside from that, no one knows his current location.

[loud pilot]

Ah ok

[tepid ibex]

he just a lil sneaky snaaaake

[ornate gull]

I been wondering

Why Riker guard think switch from MG to Nailgun was a good idea?

[torn shoal]

Well if an entire mag of lmg isnt enough, you might resort to anything at this point.

[true fox]

Yes, I see nothing very clear beyond revenge + genocide.

This subject of the island, the last time mentioned was in the Vanguard season, by Paul Rhodes, shows us what happened on the island was not excluded?
So everyone remembers,
especially Kelso.

I remember that besides having Kelso back, she will approve Keener and with that, I hope this conversation will be well worked.

[misty shore]

that when it hits you makes you bleed so maybe just a kill them slowly kind of mentality?

[eager viper]

Does the memento inscription imply it was someone killing hunters or was it a hunter killing agents/rogues?

[kind hare]

I'm fabulous, thank you agent

[kind hare]

I still care. I think everyone does to a certain extent.

[shell parrot]

It’s crazy that so many people’s luggage is pilled up everywhere

[ornate gull]

Don't forget trash bag

As well pile of corpse still waiting for decontaminated and burial

[glad spruce]

And knowing Rikers, they prefer to make their killings as sadistic as possible

[torn shoal]

Rikers are the faction that could have good lore and motivation but they really got just used as "Criminal bad" in story that's kinda sad

[glad spruce]

And the only justification for killing them is because Uncle Ricky claims in his radio show that the normal inmates are not part of the Rikers, only the psychotic and sociopathic folks do.

[sick lantern]

Normal people don’t carry rifles for an armed gang, so

[torn shoal]

div 1 almost had a good message, with the engineer guy i forgot the name in boo calling out gov abuse of secrets, of usage of force, killing indiscriminately, showing barret pumping other rikers on why police is bad, etc

but then, she dies, and nothing else happen to the faction motivation

its just "convicts bad go kill"

at least the cleaners had motivation, they are zaelots

but rikers ? their motivation is "killing people = fun"

thats so uninteresting

we could have a real lore about abuse of power and rikers trying to get revenge on their wronged life in a state that is over policed + very unjust, the school to prison pipeline, all of this is a real thing that could prop up a real discussion about the use of division lethal force with no legitimacy

try #lfg-pc

like the outcast got more justification than rikers, and it happenned once, rikers and convicts in general it happenned for decades

the writers got good lore ideas, but exploited almost none of them, idk if they are just oblivious or limited by what ubisoft allows to be talked about

cause i guess talking about real life topic is "divisive" for a certain portion of the pop

[bitter cairn]

a angry agent is inefficient, a happy agent is efficient at killing anything

[ornate gull]

Not entirely
Riker are driven by 2 motivated
Revenge on government and their system for putting them behind hell hole
Total anarchist and take everything as they pleased

[torn shoal]

yeah, but thats my point, its bad

they could be people that the system has wronged cause it abuses its power like the guy at boo said

that want to form their own community away from this unjust violence

but its, its "bad criminal"

[ornate gull]

And then WONY

Desperate civilian join riker for survival

[torn shoal]

yeah but not for what they could do to help

rikers could have different settlements, where they take care of each other, but have a widely different system in place that reward something else than brute force and guns

people join rikers cause "criminal bad i want do to bad"

[tepid ibex]

and two bads make a good so they good fr

[torn shoal]

Yeah and Hunter are good cause they do bad stuff to rogues who are bad so they good

[tepid ibex]

simple as that

[sleek plover]

IMO rikers and outcasts are less evil than the likes of LMB and true sons

and BTSU and hunters of course

[sleek plover]

Besides as an anarchist myself I have to add that is totally not what anarchists are.

Rikers are just garden variety raiders.

[sick lantern]

I’m fairly sure in saying the rikers have never actually claimed to be anarchists

Barrett’s philosophy was “Live like kings today because tomorrow’s uncertain”

[torn shoal]

Barret has also other takes that were kinda good

[sick lantern]

Yea like “drinking bleach is cool”.

[ashen jungle]

I can attest that she is excellent at non-sequiturs during her rants.

[cold bramble]

Do we have a rough idea how long between first getting to dc and up to Brooklyn the Time has passed?

[sick lantern]

there's a timeline in game somewhere

like three months ish iirc

wony is a month after launch and then the seasons happen really fast

schaeffer was in a coma for only two months

[cold bramble]

I see

Thanks

[potent halo]

how is the outcast one of the less evil !?
they inject their own with the green dollar flu and slap explosive on their chests to to kill people who had nothing to do with what happend on the island.

[sick lantern]

the anti-lmb guy is a bit of a troll don't mind him

[potent halo]

yea okay fair

[torn shoal]

they got a real justification, but they still evil, also dont listen to that guy he likes to troll

bit of trolling is fine but people dont see who's joking and who's serious

[ashen jungle]

Minor spoiler for the current Manhunt:
||Schaeffer was told that he was unconscious for 2 months, that is one of the few times when we've been told directly how much time has passed.||

[cold bramble]

Thank you

[sudden mortar]

The legacy manhunt screen also has a timeline there.

[honest briar]

I never realised how high tech the hunters mask actually is

[sick lantern]

that's because it only became a plot element like last month

[honest briar]

Ahh I didn’t realise, I was looking up some photos a of hunters and then read the wiki page for them

[glad spruce]

It does explain the growls that 'Deceit' made during our apprehension of Bardon Schaeffer

[honest briar]

7th gen mask: Built-in comms, bulletproof, lightweight, internal cooling system, anti-fogging technology with filtration system, being able to detect and diagnose infection and hydration levels, then arousal levels through pupil dilation to determine if an operative was being dishonest, and finally built-in voice modulation.

[warm rain]

Is there any information About other Countries that were affected by the Dollar flu I’m curious

[sick lantern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGkQ-LH0NLA&pp=ygUMbmduIGxhbmdsZXkg

[warm rain]

Thank you!

[glad spruce]

There's also the audio logs from the wiki:
https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Comms/Langley_Reports

[young lily]

seasonally

[ornate gull]

@wide scroll @prisma summit
Reminder, this is lore discussion channel. Please direct your question to appropriate channel

[warm rain]

After Watching this Video it makes me Wonder if Other Governments had their own "Division Agents"

[loud pilot]

We will never know

Actually now that I think about we might but I feel like it’s highly doubtful we will

[sleek plover]

True sons and LMB are oppressors.

Outcasts deserve their vengeance.

Rikers are just Raiders.

[ashen jungle]

Every one the Outcasts could possible want vengeance against are dead, and so are pretty much everyone else they knew.
Unless they want revenge against a big pile of corpses in the street, I think it's been covered.

[sleek plover]

Im just rather upset i am called a troll here.

I mean i am 100% serious in my claims at least.

[ashen jungle]

People aren't dumb, they can see that it's a joke.
If it's not a joke, then you may be taking them a bit too seriously.

[kind hare]

Don't worry man, embrace it. I'm always being called a troll - and it's only true 75% of the time.

[torn shoal]

im not saying a troll like you do this to make fun of people, but like you make jokes sometimes

outcast arent less evil, their motive is legitimate, their actions arent

[sleek plover]

tbh msv should base a character out of you

some kidna cia archivist or sth

[glad spruce]

Doubt it, considering it was a crapton of billions invested to set up the Division

[torn shoal]

other countries have special forces that have more or less the same rights as the division, but prob no isac or not the same numbers as the us

cause lets be real, only the us put that much money into the military

from memory i think its more money than the 25 next countries that put the most money in military

also all of them are allies of the us lmao

[ornate gull]

i bet only country that join Dark Winter simulation would prepare for their own secret task force

[torn shoal]

lot of country have secret task force

but its usually counter terrorism stuff (until its used for something else cause presidents answers to no ones)

so the division itself isnt wild

[ashen jungle]

Going international feels too big, you need to work on that kind of thing for years.

[torn shoal]

no i mean each country has their own kind of division

not a thing being a global agency

[ashen jungle]

What does international mean, lyfe?

[torn shoal]

well the base question qas "of pther govs had their own div agents"

so im talking about that

[ashen jungle]

ow my eyes reading that.

[torn shoal]

yeah my keyboard is not behaving

[ashen jungle]

So how would you connect other countries having their own SHD Agency equivalent without having it connect to the story?

Would that not just be a totally different series?

[torn shoal]

i dont think this is about making a story about it, just a random "what if"

[ashen jungle]

This is the lore channel, "the story behind it" is the entire point.

[torn shoal]

i mean

the game is called the division, if its another country and another task force, its not really related to that story

its a different story, different setting, etc

[ashen jungle]

So it's an entirely different story, it's not related to this game series at all?

[torn shoal]

it could be a spin off

[ashen jungle]

How?

[torn shoal]

we could have in game stories about how x country is doing good/bad cause of their task force, and we get a side story about them, and why not a spin off game about them

it doesnt exist so far, but its not far fetch of an idea

[ashen jungle]

We already know how a lot of those countries are doing, there's ingame lore about it.

[torn shoal]

yeah, as im saying, it would require to change some lore/stories/coms/etc

rectonning some of it was already done before after all

[ashen jungle]

There's a fine line between fan-fiction and potential game ideas, I'm just making sure this channel doesn't spin-off into the former.

[torn shoal]

ah, i understand now

[ashen jungle]

Left to its own devices, this channel does tend to go there.
It's a very "online" thing to do, I guess.

[torn shoal]

i just think this was a bit of "what if", but nothing much to dig into, but yeah it would be considered fan fiction if we went further

yeah i get the idea

im guilty of it sometimes

[ashen jungle]

Speaking of half-baked ideas, I should resurrect my "division: rogue" spin off plan.

[torn shoal]

i'd play that

[floral gull]

https://youtu.be/yMh8KyDyo5Q?si=t5CzvSQGtrCqwXl-

Spoilers on Burden of Truth season

[solemn sentinel]

How do the differnet enemy factions view the player agents since we have killed so many of them?

do they fear us or still underestimate us?

[torn shoal]

lore is different from what happen ingame

we dont go on murder spree killing thousands of them basically

otherwise, they dont respect us, they know we're a threat, but they think they can win cause we aint immortal, lot of agents died before

[solemn sentinel]

true

[floral gull]

bad guy ego like every action movie/show fight scenes with henchmen

[rich lark]

See that's why I'd love a show following the henchmen who actually does do it

[warm rain]

Makes me Wonder if Other Countries in the Division world have the same Tech in terms of Technology advancements as the United States

[small knot]

Ooooh so Doctor summers was the mole for Nat

I was wondering why Kelso would immediately kill a JTF member

[torn shoal]

No other country come close in term of budget for the army

[rich lark]

The UK probs has the SAS cleaning it up

[strange rock]

I'm assuming we're getting somewhat of a story trailer for the dlc tomorrow?

[sick lantern]

the division isn't part of the military tho

[torn shoal]

yeah the guys in the military plane with military gear paid by a military branch of gov applying military force to restore order that have a military chain of command and are trained to act and fight in case of military conflict are definitely not military

or the shorter version : military has several branch, not all of them are equal or even legally legit, or even have the same command beside having the president as chief in the end

[sick lantern]

military gear
no they don't
paid by a military branch of the government
no they're not
applying military force
i guess kinda but they're very abnormal
military chain of command
they barely have a chain of command period

there's no fact or material that connects the SHD to the military, they aren't a branch of the armed forces

Fact

The armed forces are under the DoD and the SHD are technically kinda under the DHS

[torn shoal]

im pretty sure armor plate, military grade guns, and so on are considered military gear

also they still obey to the president, thats a chain of command

also just cause its not called military doesnt mean its not military

its called "lying"

just cause the division is ineffective half the time doesnt mean they are civilians, they def arent

a doctor in the army is still a soldier, even if they dont fight

also civilians dont have c4 lying around usually

[tender jackal]

SHD is a civilian agency, the same way that the FBI or the CIA are. Neither are a part of the military but they have access to higher end weaponry (not military grade since military grade means the cheapest the DoD can afford) and armor plating (something that generally most police agencies also have access too).

[torn shoal]

if the police is equiped like the military, act the military, then its the military

same for the cia that litterally sent people to actually fight and die

i mean the gov could just say "ok the military are civilians now but we keep doing the same things as before" and they would still be military

i stg its the whole zebra vs horse thing

also, in div 2 there is no gov anymore, or laws, so none of thoses label matter anyway, there is only people with guns or people with more guns or people with dc-62 or hunters playing jumpscare simulator

might aswell consider everyone military or civilian

[ornate gull]

By now, Division is all but a remnant name of old democracy

Cal gone rogue for Power
Ptesident is dead and a double agent

[gentle summit]

Aa Paul Rhodes once said
Temperamental old beasts who have been through alot

[gentle summit]

Wasn't it because one of their agents died?
She went into the pharmacy to get meds, but rogue triggered and they couldn't use the tech, got killed

[gentle summit]

The end is NY

I just wish there was some Lore connecting to the Underground DLC in division 1

So much potential

[keen maple]

Fr

[ornate gull]

You partially didn't understand

[gentle summit]

I didn't understand...what? It's just the system down after going rogue would potentially cause death due to not being able to use the tech?

[ashen jungle]

The system being down was the plot of the opening to div2.

[gentle summit]

How though

The system being down in that scenario wasn't the whole system going down

[ornate gull]

Cal back then didn't anticipate that one agent killed in the field because ISAC mark said agent as Rogue for vandalism and looting pharmacist. Rogue can clean if they proved their action aren't malicious. Cal made decisions that Rogue can still use tech so if same event happen again. They can still alive and be cleared rogue later. But he didn't expect this will cause butterfly effect that Agent are willing to go Rogue and disavowed the Division for themselves

[gentle summit]

It was the failsafe in case an agent going rogue triggering. Causing the lock of their tech

But that whole thing was from the beginning of div 1 as well no? The whole CCTV footage with keener and such

[ashen jungle]

Being marked as Rogue is because you didn't follow your orders, it's not really the "system going down", it's literally just your gear being disabled and etc.

fun fact: It's also marking you as having committed Treason.

[gentle summit]

It's simply because you broke a rule more, a set of ethical rules I assume
harming/stealing from such like the scenario of looting a pharmacy in that one comms things

The concept is rogue is vague, order? Rule?

[ashen jungle]

Ignore the pharmacy thing, that's....whatever it is.

[gentle summit]

Like there is no order to secure a supply drop,

But you can steal it and it marks you as rogue

It's very, ethics ish

[ashen jungle]

That's a DZ drop, not an LZ one.

You aren't supposed to go inside the DZ, there's a reason that ISAC is mostly disabled during that. Remember that any Rogue that gets close to the inside of a DZ door is shot.

[gentle summit]

The thing is there is no connection in the darkzone, no surveillance. How does one's action suddenly mark them as rogue if a zone is detached from connection

[gentle summit]

True

There is no order in the darkzone, no orders to follow

[ashen jungle]

Yes, that is what I've been saying.
You are not supposed to go in there.

[gentle summit]

In that case, every agent who is in there is potentially rogue?

[ashen jungle]

It's a grey area, you aren't immediately marked as "rogue" from being 100% okay.

in fact: there's plenty of ingame example where someone is leaning towards Rogue and it's warned them off it, basically.

[gentle summit]

Did they remove the grey rogue system?
The one where you lock pick a crate you get the grey one

Or hacking the terminal, what rogue is that from the red rogue.

[ornate gull]

Also Dark Zone have bad signal and connection. So ISAC can't properly transfer info to Division HQ

[ashen jungle]

That's an ingame thing, not a lore thing.
the div franchise has a lot of between areas, where it gets murky.

[sick lantern]

the JTF themselves were running operations in the dark zone so it’s expected that Division agents would have legitimate business in the DZ ie securing supply drops

[ashen jungle]

were

[ornate gull]

JTF failed to maintain order in DZ

[gentle summit]

Hmmm DZ, hmmm Agents

Hmmmm
Keener

[ornate gull]

Which why they retreat and build a wall

[ashen jungle]

The DZ was considered lost and sealed off, any Agents inside were abandoned.
hence: initial Rogues.

Conley's WONY comms paint a good story of it.

[ornate gull]

Which also very reason most 1st wave Agent gone rogue or MIA/KIA

[ashen jungle]

Well, most are very much dead, the vast majority of them.
Remember that SHD Agents were never really meant to be active in the first place.

[sick lantern]

i know what you mean i’m just referencing obscure things
in div 1 fhe DZ OPs BoO upgrade and that the JTF went back to open the gates to DZ North

well, and that extraction choppers are still flying in both games

[ashen jungle]

I honestly think that it's best to see stuff like the DZ being active+choppers working in there, as a game thing, not a story thing.

[ornate gull]

Also mention in div2, nyc slowly rebuild order thank to NYC 2bd wave and JTF decide to open DZ again

[ashen jungle]

like Summit being resettable, or Countdown re-running.

[sick lantern]

I want to agree because the DZ signal jamming in general is a bit of a plot hole, but they also sent a DZ chopper to Amherst’s Apartment confirming they’re canonically using them for the DZ at the time (as in Faye literally says “this chopper is for the DZ”)

[ornate gull]

Im wondering how do JTF maintenance the Blackhawk heli for DZ Extraction

Considering resources are limited

[ashen jungle]

Duct-tape is really great, guys.

[ornate gull]

They willingly use 1 to retrive Amherst apartment stuff

[ashen jungle]

the choppers existing makes sense, as they're also probably the ones they use in Survival.
but just not for use in the DZ, maybe once for a story beat.

[gentle summit]

Has satellites, has high quality comms connection,
Wall

[sick lantern]

wall with huge holes in it 💀

[ornate gull]

Idk if Green Poison pathogen have ability to disrupt signal

Considering DZ require high quality filter gasmask for life support

[ashen jungle]

||smallpox can't melt steel beams||

[ornate gull]

Another theory that

Reason why DZ have bad signal and connection

[ashen jungle]

There's no need for theories, it's being jammed.

We are 100% aware of this ingame.

[ornate gull]

Likely because Hunter lurking in those build and their tech partially disrupt them

[gentle summit]

Hunters in the underground

Hunters in survival

Hunters in pier

Hunters everywhere

The hunter in underground and pier when I eat a snack bar and their jammer doesn't work

So apparently hunters are after Keener too, from how they appeared at the Pier with all other factions screwed over by keener

[sick lantern]

the canon on that is dubious at best seeing as they appear in the mode with no clear end point where the dead come back to life

[ornate gull]

Also early hint of cal hunger for power

Sending Hunter to cleanse up the Rogue and 2nd Wave

[torn shoal]

Isac doesnt work in dz cause there is no relay basically, same as when you go in some other places and you need a satellite relay

It's not a logical thing but it's consistent I guess

That's already a huge thing

[sick lantern]

ok but ISAC does work in the DZs tho

[torn shoal]

isac works everywhere locally, but its not connected to network, so its like having a phone you carry to warn everyone when something bad happen, but you cant call anyone to warn them, but the phone technically still works cause you can play snake and beat your little brother high score he was so proud off

its just making the skills/id work, but nothing important is working

[sick lantern]

ISAC only works off the network, no SHD network= no ISAC and no skills, as seen in Div 2 intro cutscene and the Compromised novel

“ISAC is a highly advanced AI available to Division agents equipped with a SHD tech transceiver. Accessible via the SHD network…”
The World of The Division page 96

[torn shoal]

yeah i dont read the novels

we got several missions + dz showing it need coverage but can still work short range to allow agent to act

thats the entire point of the shd mobile server

[sick lantern]

it’s not a novel

[ashen jungle]

So it's more like the Star Wars crosssection that I had back in 2000.

We need more of those.

[sick lantern]

and we got other sources saying otherwise because the SHD network is inconsistent

[ashen jungle]

The entire lore for div2 is inconsistent, it comes with the territory.

[torn shoal]

i see the shd network the same was as my phone provider

[ashen jungle]

You either rally against it, or you love it for its duct-tape approach.

[torn shoal]

very much the worst thing ever also deserve some jail time

i wont even talk about isp

in ranking evil i'd put them between outcast and bt

[ashen jungle]

For the Australians here: imagine all of those are like a less evil Tesltra.

[torn shoal]

my only knowlewdge of australia is that they hate french people for some reason and some youtube gaming channel that mock their internet lmao

i mean i could add the mad max movies, but it would go on a tangent if we start on that

[ashen jungle]

Nah we don't hate the french.
We mock americans, mostly.

[torn shoal]

yeah but thats a given, everybody mock americans