division-universe

[true fox]

Where can we write a feedback?

No .. You want to know .. I'll send an e -mail feedback to narrative director, to this cool idea.

[waxen sonnet]

I Think even the writers will understand there's only so much they can brush under the carpet with Hologram style excuses, Besides, when the missile detonates, it physically posions the agent as they fight keener, indicating a very real payload.

[glad spruce]

Lauren Stone is the narrative director for Division 2, but I doubt reaching out to an individual dev would give you anything

[ashen jungle]

Frankly, I think they're just going to ignore it.

[glad spruce]

Yes, cuz as we know the holograms are not 100% perfect

[ashen jungle]

What contacting an actual dev would give you is weird looks. Don't go harassing devs now, ya hear.

[true fox]

Yes, yes, I understand that

[ashen jungle]

I do want to make this absolutely clear: you should not be encouraging, nor actually trying to, contact individual devs of div2.
If you want to contact MSV, use the Support Ticket.

[true fox]

I know how to write to someone and I've done it before, it would be a very good idea with Keener and Kelso.
he knows..
But it would have to be collective feedback, something simple in Ubisoft's Discord for example with several players leaving their vote of support.
I don't know..
We need to recommend more, leave everything in hand without giving our vision worries a little.

[feral sluice]

Do you have division 2

[true fox]

Do you think it should have color change when ANNA speaks?

Our clock is orange even when it communicates.

[ashen jungle]

If ANNA is a true AI, what is their preferred pronoun? I've seen people refer to ANNA by their name, "her", "she", even "it".

[true fox]

Sorry for the confusion.
For me, in the voice that is used ..

She

[waxen sonnet]

If its that much of an AI, It can choose.

[ashen jungle]

...yes, that's what I'm asking. If ANNA has chosen.

See, a feminine voice doesn't always mean "she" is the right pronoun.

[waxen sonnet]

No, But ANNA Seems to portray a female persona, I mean its smart enough to decide to change the persona if you get me, but sticks to a Claire replica

[ashen jungle]

That is your assumption, based on ANNA using the same VA as the creator of the AI, or at least the person who we understand to have made it.

[waxen sonnet]

True, but a counterclaim is you can say that exactly the same about ISAC

[ashen jungle]

ISAC is not a true AI, ISAC is basically a speak+spell.

If you don't know, that's 100% fine. I'm not asking you a specific question. I'm asking if anyone happens to know.

[waxen sonnet]

No no, I get what you mean, Im just trying to figure it out.

[ashen jungle]

If anyone is familiar with Mass Effect, then it's the difference between a VI and AI.

[waxen sonnet]

I Dont think ANNA or ISAC have ever referred to themselves in a first person context than "I'm"

[ashen jungle]

Most people don't really use their pronouns in casual conversation, at least not when trying to impart information, or making needlessly cryptic riddles.

I don't really put down "I, as a woman, say this". Lol.

[waxen sonnet]

Yeah, Best bet is to see if any of the past or future comms during the season mention it I guess.

[ashen jungle]

That was my initial thought, yarp.

You know, getting back on the "is it all fake" re: Keener and the end of WONY, I am wondering if we're going to get more mythology references to try and explain it.
The Cassandra reference in the trial opened up a whole train there.

[waxen sonnet]

I dont think however we've had much of greek refrences since Keeners trial last season, Certainly not in this season.

Hawkster's more knowledgeable on the greek refrences that me however so I wont entirely say Im right

[ashen jungle]

It's sort of insidiously subtle, but a good mythology reference is often disguised as something else. Or we don't really see it as that, but it's based on one.

I vote next season, they swap to Shakespeare instead.

[waxen sonnet]

As a Brit.

No

[sick lantern]

“agent, wanna truce for five mins while i pwn the BT?”- keener if he was smart

[true fox]

Sure...

Where was I?
Our clock is still orange with ANNA active and online. It would be really cool to have the color change like it happens with Keener. I think it would be technically complicated to do that in-game.

The 6 ANNA watches, I still can't imagine who will receive them—the 6 people.

[ashen jungle]

I'll be honest, I don't care who Keener was targeting with the warcrime.

He deserved to die for making, then trying to use it.

[waxen sonnet]

I Still dont trust the man to stab us in the back the minute BTSU are out of play.

[ashen jungle]

I have no earthly clue why we didn't kill him.

Seriously, he was right there, no special shield or anything, not a hologram as he was slowly dying to chip-fire from the flood of BT drones.

[waxen sonnet]

Mhm, Its the problem of a game like the Division 2 not having the element of Free choice and consequence, but at the same time just Wacking Keener would derail our story

[ashen jungle]

I think the main issue here is more-so that the story can't be over yet, because if Keener is dead, there likely can't be a plot for div3, even if he doesn't make it past the DLC.

I think it's fairly safe to say that the plot was likely altered within the last few Seasons.

[waxen sonnet]

I think they couldve worked that out to be honest, we take out the BTSU Only to find out in the final moments of the game the BTSU were just a pillar in the structure of those who've pulled the strings since the very start of the green Poision, boom, plot for Div3

Go on the offensive against the Cabal they've introduced

[ashen jungle]

That sounds like the plot before the recent(ish) twists of Keener+Theo, but it was changed up for whatever reason.

I still have my suspicions that it was changed to be that to help kick-off a live-action div production, since Keener's VA is an actual actor.

buuuuut that's very much not what this channel is for, so I'll step away for a bit. Y'all enjoy the lore-talk.

[true fox]

1 - Hoskins
2 -
3 -
4 -
5 -
6 -

[waxen sonnet]

Hoskins, Theo, Keener, Kelso, Us and one extra

[wet cedar]

Ayo guys in y’all opinion would the series set in division universe work as a good story?

[wicked gorge]

You making a story?

[glad spruce]

Yeah, if you're writing a fanfic, its not allowed to share it here. Maybe try your luck in the community server?

Otherwise, we have a pretty cool novel trilogy

[wet cedar]

Nah I’m just curious

[wet cedar]

We? U mean it was published by Ubis right

[glad spruce]

Yes

[wicked gorge]

Hawkster secretly owns the entire division franchise but doesn’t want anyone to know

[plain junco]

I say this to my TV screen every time I see keener tbh

[glad spruce]

If I had, I'd have hired multiple writers to write Division novels. And maybe convince the execs to restart Heartland's development

[wicked gorge]

I wanted to asked but been preoccupied, but was Trig working with the rogues after the outbreak cause that’s what im thinking it is

[sick lantern]

He was working with the BT and we killed him, remember

or do you mean as a double agent sort of thing

[wicked gorge]

Double agent, cause the comms make it seem like he and Theo were on good terms and it seemed to take place after the outbreak and after Theo went rogue

[glad spruce]

Funny, cuz I didn't see it that way. I wouldn't say I know where exactly those comms take place, but I'd gander a guess they took place a few months before WONY

[patent narwhal]

heres a question about the div universe I don't think anybody has asked what the hell was going on with the economy before everything went down do we know at all because what the hell do you mean 1 croissant, a coffee & a newspaper is 9.25????

[torn shoal]

sounds about the price we pay today

if you go to a chain

im sure some bad place like starbuck would cost even more

[patent narwhal]

its not that bad yet 😭 at least you get an egg & a piece of meat for that price not just a single croissant

[waxen sonnet]

Laughs in GBP

@glad spruce Since when was there a Sokolova Hunter reference at the propaganda activity??

[glad spruce]

Can you elaborate? Are you referring to one of the broadcasts from Sokolova?

[waxen sonnet]

One sec buddy, I screenshotted it on steam, let me go find it

[glad spruce]

Oh, you're referring to the one where she talks about the Hunters and rumors surrounding them.

Yeah, that's been around since Y5S2 ended. Propaganda broadcasts from enemy factions are random

[torn shoal]

i mean, i saw the price rising from 3.5e for a kebab to 9e

even the baguette cost from 0.5e to 1.5 now

the bigger question us : how the f do we get ecredits and what are thoses even in lore

it also feel like people got more gun than they got money

but thats about expected for the us xd

[ashen jungle]

The generally accepted fan answer is: crypto.

[torn shoal]

weird

we dont even have internet or computers doing that anymore it seems

also its worthless

[ashen jungle]

The idea of us paying for stuff from settlements at all is silly in itself, some suspension of disbelief is required.

I just like the idea of it being crypto, because it both makes fun of Crypto itself in being useless, and mocks Keener, because he wasted his Div sign-up bonus on it.

[torn shoal]

yeah obviously

i mean i would still prefer a more "logical" thing

but its not like a big complaint, its mostly nitpicking

[ashen jungle]

I've honestly got no problem with it being a crypto thing. Like, they are called "e-credits". The "e" there usually means "electronic".

[waxen sonnet]

Esentially its like "Paper money bad but virtual bank transfer still safe"

In all honesty its Just gonna be for gameplay purposes, I don't think there's gonna be a lore reason for Ecredits

[sudden mortar]

It would be interesting tho, I mean, in a world where the internet is gone, so people need to rely on Cr1pto currency in strict networks like the Black tusk and SHD ones for example.

[waxen sonnet]

Well there's no way the SHD Network would house Crypt, let alone random JTF Use it for glorified online banking

[wicked gorge]

Gotta make bank even in the apocalypse

[compact hamlet]

real agents trade using textile credits

[waxen sonnet]

This guy gets it

[glad spruce]

Danny Weaver is a good bloke

[wicked gorge]

“Agent, if you want this sick drip, I require funny coins with a T on them”

[torn shoal]

"hey agent, got a nice sweater, i can trade it for 4 guns"

[sweet crypt]

One thing I have wondered about Division from a lore aspect, is why no night vision? They have the support to sustain their tech, and I feel like it could be a fairly lopsided advantage over enemies.

[waxen sonnet]

With systems like Pulse, It seems the SHD are capable of marking targets in low/no visual light scenarios.

Wether Smart-tek lenses has some kind of NVG's capability hasn't really been mentioned.

[sweet crypt]

Oh, yeah. I always forget about pulse.

[placid coral]

Asking about a very early detail about WoNY, what caused the beef between Paul Rhodes and the Division? I assume it's something in the first game but I haven't played it

[glad spruce]

Between Div 1 and Div 2, Paul Rhodes got tired of Faye Lau not willing to take accountability over the prevalence of Rogue Agents and decided to go his own way, establishing Haven

Also, he's well known for his negative attitude, so you can imagine why some people can't stand him

[late void]

Paul never liked the division on principle, the idea of giving so much power to unelected individuals. The rogue situation just confirmed his beliefs

[sick lantern]

Rhodes has a “real American patriot” type distrust of the government

[torn shoal]

i mean paul didnt trust anything government related

for understandable reasons, and was proved right in the end

tho his speech and opinion was more interesting in the first game

div 2 tone it down a bit cause people didnt care really much

[glad spruce]

For those interested, NGN is doing a premiere of his own story recap for both Division 1 and 2 in around 3 hours at his Youtube channel

[waxen sonnet]

Oh was this the 4 hour one he spoke to us about the other day?

[glad spruce]

Yeah

[storm axle]

Guys

I think that Div 3 will take place in Chicago

Why?

BC Ubisoft is lazy and everytime they can

They reuse licences and stuff like that

And they have one game taking place in Chicago

Watch dogs 1

Of course WD 2 have San Francisco

But you know

Chicago have that mod and gangs vibe

Perfect for Div game

Btw I just got idea for some dlc

Div agents have to go abroad to maybe London

Or any other big european capital

To rescue some US ambasador or any other high personel

That could be fun short dlc

[glad spruce]

Ok

[storm axle]

Ok

[true fox]

if the such ambassador, and if there is one who survived the virus, has something against the Cabal.

maybe maybe

but it wouldn't be a DLC, more like an incursion.

[storm axle]

Nah

That should be dlc like WONY

[true fox]

It doesn't make any sense to be the center of a DLC. Rescue is a single mission and not long-term in a tense situation like now. Besides, what would Cal or Natalya do with someone from the government?

[storm axle]

I dont even know who Cal and Natalya are

And i dont mean one single recuse mission

But list of quests

Line of quests

[true fox]

Just as I imagined

[storm axle]

Ah

You mean that russian Black Tusk baddie

Nvm i know her

[sick lantern]

see: ellis

[true fox]

Only if Ellis wasn't the only puppet.

[true fox]

List of quests,
line of quests..
OK.

Leave game 3, but I don't see why Chicago would be interesting, you bring something from Chicago as an example of why the division went there, something related to technology.

There are other SHD technology nuclei in other cities in the United States, which make sense for the division to go there, and I don't see anyone from youtube that mentioned Chicago to say about it.

[waxen sonnet]

And this is why you don't make up theory's too heavily in the lore channels, it' ends up confusing at least one person who's not a first language English speaker

[true fox]

I avoid making theories. (If that was for me.)

[storm axle]

What

[true fox]

Nothing.

Just bring something about why it would be Chicago based on what already exists in the history of the Division so far.

I'm curious just from seeing the name of this city around.

..and the people in this channel should help with the rest.
(I think.)

[glad spruce]

Yeah, the only thing we know of Chicago so far thanks to Descent comms is that there's a lot of refugees coming in from Canada due to mass shortages and the city's gets supplies from truckers wearing biker gear

So, unless there's some huge significance with Chicago, I don't see a good reason for it to be the setting for Division 3.

Manhattan is important cuz it was the ground zero of Green Poison outbreak. Washington D.C is important cuz it's the capital of the United States and we're still a contesting battle of who will take control of it between The Division and Black Tusk.

[storm axle]

then

maybe Div 3 will take place in SF

Big ports

you know what i mean

but im just a man

i cant predict the future

[sick lantern]

they could set it anywhere

[sudden mortar]

anywhere within US but yeah.

[loud warren]

If I had to guess the next city would most likely be either LA or Boston. As they are 2 of the next most important cities after NYC and DC

Maybe new Orleans as that and Seattle were also other options for division 2 to take place so we can't remove them from the list either.

[glad spruce]

https://youtu.be/U2CHVGvkOfA?si=_gI1rf1nb5uBQyhI

Here's the link to NGN's 4 hours story recap

[wicked gorge]

What was the name of the faction from the division resurgence

[ember temple]

The freemen

[wicked gorge]

Thank you

[brazen orbit]

@kind hare its out! you absolute legend

[kind hare]

Let's call it a good foundation for a work in progress ☺️

[glad spruce]

Week 14 tomorrow

[waxen sonnet]

Are you working tomorrow again?

Gonna run the Season sometime around 12-1pm UK Time so I'll write up the transcript if nobody else beats me to it, But I still dont do Descent so unless Rogue_Agent gets it out early and I can transcript that someone else will have to pick up that part

[glad spruce]

Nah, I have an online meeting with an NGO tomorrow morning 11:30 AM UAE time, so I should be able to get to do my weekly Descent comm summary asap

Assuming of course, the rotation's not gluttony lol

[waxen sonnet]

Solid, you're ahead of me in time zones so even post meeting I suspect we'll get it all done by the afternoon

[glad spruce]

Yep

[waxen sonnet]

Last three weeks too of the season iirc?

[glad spruce]

Yep

Technically, we still have a couple more weeks cuz of Descent comms and seasonal events

So, I'd say the end of the season would be around March 25th, if I had to guess

[cold bramble]

Is that when we get climax mission?

[glad spruce]

No, February 11th

[cold bramble]

Ah thanks

[glad spruce]

Descent comm 86, titled Eva.

||Aaron Keener and Bridgette Douglas discuss about Eva Garcia. Douglas don't think much about her as she sees Eva as nothing more than a young college student with podcasting for extra credit. Keener thinks Eva's briliant, which led to Douglas grossed out as she thought Keener has romantic attraction to her. Keener does not, as he believes her public speaking capabilities are amazing and could entertain his settlement's people cuz while Rodney Bishop is a true beleiver for Keener and his settlement, he's no entertainer.||

[waxen sonnet]

Transcribing Today's season Comm now.

Y6S2 -WEEK 14 Season Comm Collectible "Positive" 28/01/2025 - Transcripted by JackBarsetto
Theo Parnell asks Melanie Hoskins for advice

||Theo Parnell: We're having a baby. ||
||Agent Hoskins: Called it, you owe me a candy bar. ||
||Aaron Keener: Next one I find has your name on it. ||
||Theo Parnell: What do we do? We need to keep the baby healthy. We need Vitamins and stuff, Right?||
||Agent Hoskins: Yeah. Folic Acid. ||
||Agent Hoskins: Good thing we're growing beets. Lots of beets, leafy greens. ||
||Agent Hoskins: Just be careful with salads, dont want raw greens right now, since we're growing everything and dont really know what was in the flood waters. ||
||Agent Hoskins: Might be best to stay off a Raw food diet for the next year or ten. ||
||Theo Parnell: Will do. I'm gonna be a Dad. Can you believe it?||
||Aaron Keener: No, I cannot. But, I am very happy for you Theo. ||
||Theo Parnell: Thanks, Grampy Keener. ||
||Aaron Keener: Oh god! Never, never, call me that again, Father Figure, not your father. ||

Wake up Kids we're learning ||Maternity Care|| Through the division today

[glad spruce]

I think we also learned ||Maternity Care|| as well back in Y5S1 comms

[waxen sonnet]

Someone in the writing team went and did there research 👏

[waxen sonnet]

@late void @ashen jungle ** SOMEONE DELETE THAT ASAP**

COMPROMISED ACCOUNT AND LINK, NOBODY CLICK THAT.

DONT TOUCH IT.

[late void]

Done, thanks for the heads up @waxen sonnet

[waxen sonnet]

Thanks @late void
Looks like his whole accounts been Compromised, as he's posting it all over the place.

[late void]

That's the way it usually goes. Oddly his profile had a note warning people to not click any steam links from him

[waxen sonnet]

Yeah, appreciate you getting on that so quick, sorry for the ping

[wicked gorge]

I love the little Anna talk about how this is war and not a romance novel, even the AI doesn’t care

[sick lantern]

rare anna w

[wicked gorge]

Welp, Keeners new name is grumpy keener

[cedar oxide]

grampy keener*

[solemn sentinel]

Lol

[glad spruce]

Too bad, cuz I learned a thing or two about Maternity Care

But I also presume people here hate romance cuz they lack romantic connections and any notion of romance in a video game is an aberration in their eyes

[glad spruce]

Lol

[torn shoal]

Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave?

[gaunt ice]

i dont think having romance plotline is a problem of itself, moreso how its pointless filler in the context of the story, that wont be brought up ever again nor for there any reason for it to be there to begin with

we totally need to learn about Manny’s romance life that wont be brought up of be relevant for another 2 seasons(from this moment, MINIMUM)

same applies to Theo’s uh, whatever thing

i hate that prick but thats just me

he’s just Keener’s errant boy, like Robin to Batman when he could be so much more

[glad spruce]

Sure, whatever you say

[gaunt ice]

honestly im just gonna say it

whenever someone has valid criticism or anything that isn’t gloating the writing you just go whatever you say because you really have 0 counterpoint or you somehow thing its below you, and then you go on to say how people are xyz without actually protecting your own argument, at least Lyfe can explain himself even though we don’t agree all the time, you’re just being condescending for the sake of it

forget how Keener and Theo survived with 50 bulletholes or how nobody bagged them here’s Theo’s romance life that almost no one cares

[glad spruce]

Because the topic has been beaten to death that it's not even worth debating.

So Manny and Theo are gonna become fathers. How does it affect you personally?

[gaunt ice]

it doesn’t, its just pointless filler that does nothing while we still have a butt load of unanswered questions that will probably be retconned 4 months from when said info drops assuming that it does ever drop

[glad spruce]

Mhmm. Like they're gonna retcon two characters who are in their pregnancy

[sick lantern]

hawkster doesn’t like it when people have opinions on the plot in the plot channel, and then resorts to insults about it

[waxen sonnet]

Web, Chairs, you're both Problematic because You bring up the same things constantly, In this case Im meaning your displeasure of the Romance Arc's of the season's collectibles.

We get it, you think its overdone filler but frankly, It's character development that diverts From just "Rogue agent from WONY Bad", we know your point of view likewise, we hear it every week that they have collectibles that involve it. You say "forget how Keener and Theo survived with 50 bullet holes or how nobody bagged them" like its a defence, when really, We've all covered that element of the argument as many times as we have with romance complaints, It's been explained in game now, and we've discussed it here several times, including with or without your input.

Just appreciate I agree with Hawkster, you beat the topic to death a little to much and I too am a little sick of it.

[gaunt ice]

look
i get how i can come off, but im not around here alot if any, i just read lore recaps and im not always there for when either kirby has another rant or people explain stuff(i’d like to discuss that too but by what you said the ship has sailed), so im gonna be bit annoyed when i see people throwing shades bout it. im sorry if its been explained before and i wasn’t there for it and then give people slack for it, its more like frustration of the story going downhill than mindless rambling

[oblique dagger]

Look at me ahhhh post.

[ashen jungle]

Okay that's more than enough personal drama in the lore discussion channel.

[true fox]

I'm playing with the second character in Legacy Manhunt. When I do the Puppeteer's mission, I'll check if the recruiter's insurance will work/activate to complete it. I believe this only works once after the mission when collecting all the data. I'll let you know soon.

ANNA - the 6 clocks
1 - Hoskins
2 - Theo ( I don't think it's necessary)
3 - Keener ( I don't think it's necessary)
4 - Kelso
5 - Us (I don't think it's necessary)
6 - B. Douglas

[waxen sonnet]

Yeah let me know would you, I want to take a screenshot of his map again but my new characters unable to access his saferoom

[true fox]

Ok

[strange rock]

If you take the explanation at face value then why are Trig and Conley supposedly dead, they knew about the descent program

[waxen sonnet]

Well, If Theo's "dead" after WONY he cant exact appear from the dead to warn Trig the SHD Are after him, or frankly he may have already served his purpose and now its almost beneficial to tidy up a loose end that knows what the Descent Simulation mechanics are capable off, especially in the ranks of the BTSU.

Conley, however is frankly a bit more brutal. Keener Probably was using her for his benefit, but knowing she was all but brainwashed or Indoctrinated knew she'd not be trustable again after her time with the Cleaners, so she has her cause the chaos he needs against the JTF/SHD In New york, Buying his time for Theo and himself to complete there own plans, while Kajika, Conley and Dragov were almost Roadblocks, to slow us down and once there purpose was served, be tidied up by our agents.

Just Knowing the Descent Program doesnt mean you have:
The ability to modify or use it for yourself (With the exception of Parnell at this current moment)
Have access to a Mobile SHD Server required for the program to run off.
ANNA
Also, Knowing it's existence doesn't mean its a guaranteed "get out of jail free" card, Just because elements of the story are explaining how two people faked there deaths via the system, hasn't or Isn't an Indication it's going to happen all the time simply because you know of the Simulation.

[waxen sonnet]

Thanks by the way ₩⩇lαϲξ

[waxen sonnet]

(Wait remind me @glad spruce did I screw up there, Season 10 was post WONY By a few years right?)

[glad spruce]

No, it was October 15 to 16, IIRC.

WONY was around mid-August, if I had to guess when taking Season 1's timeline into account (August 20-August 23rd)

[waxen sonnet]

Ah, I REALLY Need to learn these dates.

[glad spruce]

Check the Legacy Manhunt menu, it has the dates of all the previous seasons

[waxen sonnet]

Didnt know that bit, thanks for the heads up, I was trying to google it instead.

[wicked gorge]

I dont hate it, I enjoy when a game fleshes out characters since it makes it more realistic. I just like that they made made the joke of ANNA not caring like most of the community

[waxen sonnet]

Yeah, Hawkster and I were joking about it in DM's the other day when I first saw it

[gaunt ice]

why is hawko muted

[glad spruce]

Got a bit too aggressive in the general chat

[wicked gorge]

So is the Brooklyn DLC canceled or being pushed back till an unknown date cause im seeing mixed responses

[glad spruce]

Delayed

[waxen sonnet]

Delayed again, The "cancelled" element you're seeing online is rumours based on people are worried given the financial issues at Ubisoft.

[glad spruce]

And when some people heard that the DLC is not coming in Year 6 Season 3, they believed it meant it won't release in this year

[wicked gorge]

Im honestly okay with it being pushed back but I understand why most ppl are upset

[gaunt ice]

announced since 2023 iirc

[sleek plover]

Freedom IS a right.
Liberty IS a given.

[waxen sonnet]

No wrong line, it's
Extremis Malis - Extrema Remedia

[glad spruce]

Desperate times call for desperate measures

[glad spruce]

Just two weeks and the Climax Mission should be up.

Oh, and a reminder that the exotic chest Provactor is a guaranteed reward on Master Difficulty.

[waxen sonnet]

Oh there's a twitch stream today too about next season iirc

[glad spruce]

And they'll discuss the DLC a bit as well

Crackpot prediction: Because of the first delay, they decided to make the DLC on the size of WONY and not just a story DLC

[marble dawn]

as much as I'd love that go easy on the hopium

[glad spruce]

Why do you think I said crackpot?

[waxen sonnet]

Hawkster, that last bit was a little not necessary, remember our conversation last night.

[glad spruce]

Yeah, sorry.

[waxen sonnet]

Streams in 15 minutes for anyone wanting to see the next season stuff

[glad spruce]

I'm watching it on the VC on my clan's discord. I feel like I'm gonna puke if I see one livestream chat post

[waxen sonnet]

Yeah its going well, Im already limited to 1 chat comment per 5 minutes

[glad spruce]

Next season is called Burden of Truce

[waxen sonnet]

Wasn't it Truth?

[glad spruce]

I heard it as Truce

The DLC is called Battle for Brooklyn

[waxen sonnet]

I Heard it as Burden of Truth

[waxen sonnet]

A Hyena's painted BTSU That's gonna be a little wacky

[oblique dagger]

Division 2: We can't make a DLC but we can make you pay for more stash space.

[glad spruce]

Yeah, and next season involves us going through Kelso's trail (again) with the riddles being binary numbers. The premise being that she wants us to understand that "Cassandra" wasn't a traitor while we're going through the scouts

I know some people missed out on Y5S3, so yeah...

[waxen sonnet]

Breaking Enigma was easier than bloody Binary, I'd prefer those Riddles for once.

[glad spruce]

@grave echo You asked for Agent Lau. Buckle up, it's gonna be a long one.

[grave echo]

No I asked about agent leo

[glad spruce]

Leo Fourte?

[grave echo]

Agent Leo

The outfit from the store

[waxen sonnet]

From th- Oh yeah, That's Leo Fourte then.

[glad spruce]

Yeah, that';s the character from Operation Crossroads novels

[grave echo]

Ok

[glad spruce]

You'll need to read the novels if you wanna know more about him

[waxen sonnet]

Though in fairness, they're now adding refrences to the team within the dialogues in seasons and open world.

[glad spruce]

Yeah

I wouldn't mind to have comms involving the characters

[waxen sonnet]

Probably would but the issue for them is sourcing new Va's for a short time for a few lines probably wont be that cost effective

[glad spruce]

Yeah. I'd imagine having Hoskins voiced since Y6S1 meant that she's gonna play a major part in later stories

[waxen sonnet]

They'll finally give her a NPC rather than be the voice in my head

[glad spruce]

Considering the DLC's name, I expect the story to be intense in action

Okay, so from what I can glean in next season's (Burden of Truce) Manhunt per from what we saw in the livestream, it's gonna involve us completing scouts on Kelso's behalf where we understand more of Faye Lau's actions after she went "Rogue" and why she allied with Keener.

Oh, and the scout riddles are gonna involve binary numbers of 1's and 0's.

You were right, Jack, next season's title is Burden of Truce.

[sudden mortar]

I wonder if this new boss ||Bichon, is Zodiac, one of the last hyenas leaders. If it's not that, I don't see a reason for this Black tusk operative (IF it's BT or some hyena using BT gear) having the hyenas logo sprayed on its armor.||

[glad spruce]

Yeah, I mean ||Zodiac and Mayhem weren't in DUA when we decimated the Hyena leadership and they were still on the loose since then||

[sudden mortar]

Yeah || If Zodiac managed to escape from SHD custody. I didn't read the comic books but I know the division didn't kill him in the end||

[glad spruce]

||Zodiac wasn't in any comic book. The Hyena who was featured in Remission was named John Sanders||

[sudden mortar]

Oh okay, I got confused with the characters

[wicked gorge]

I hope we get a comn seeing Kelso’s reaction to seeing Keener alive

[plain junco]

im honestly hoping and a smidgen excited because of it

[waxen sonnet]

It was still Funnier getting to see Manny swear when he found out about Keener

[fresh nymph]

Nope, 100% thats just a placeholder

[waxen sonnet]

Not what they said at the stream iirc

[wicked gorge]

Out of curiosity, how the hell would that even work?

[late void]

people have already solved the one they showed in stream, you just take a pic and give it to ChatGPT to translate

[wicked gorge]

I don’t like that

[late void]

well, you can look it up manually, the binary will just be ascii codes or something similar, but it's pretty time consuming

[waxen sonnet]

Binary Code can be converted to Alphanumeric, It's the basis of Code, so there's systems to convert Your ABC'S to 01010's and vice versa.

[wicked gorge]

Yeah I did a google check and understand it a bit more, im just not sure on the whole system yk. I like puzzles and riddles but not having them in game and requiring to look them up or cheat code it seems boring for me

[waxen sonnet]

I think perhaps it makes it freindlier to the non-first language english speakers, as the Riddles outside of english were quite confusing from what I read online.

[wicked gorge]

Fair, I gotta at least give them credit for trying new riddles

[plain junco]

manny cussin caught me off guard that i couldn't stop giggling

also i kind of enjoy the riddles - even if it does make me want to punch the person who made them in the face at times

[wicked gorge]

You wouldn’t hit a guy with glasses now would you?

[fringe gale]

what did i miss

WE GOT A HYENA BOSS, FINALLY

[glad spruce]

Hyena boss in Black Tusk Tank gear, but yeah.

He's the final boss for this season's Climax mission.

[wicked gorge]

I can’t believe it

We’re getting a different faction for the climax mission

[fringe gale]

i wonder if parnell ran back to the hyenas for help or something

[gaunt ice]

what did i miss from the stream

for finale anyway, ik bout the gear stuff

[glad spruce]

Like I said before, the Hyena painted Black Tusk chunga is the boss of the Climax mission

[glad spruce]

The boss of the finale is a Black Tusk chunga with Hyena paint around his armor

[gaunt ice]

wait thats it?

i dont have a problem with that but thats literally all we know?

also hyenas, finna be an easy finale then

unless its hyenas+tuskies

nah still easier that just tusks, their entire stitch is that they cant be CCed from shooting weakpoints

[true fox]

I just completed the final mission of the Puppeteer season in the Legacy Manhunt with my second character. To repeat, with a new second character.

Upon completing the mission, it will be night when you return to the White House, then travel to the castle at night and...

YES, the recruiter's insurance programming WORKS, I can say that it is now definitive.

I strongly believe that after you collect all the insurance, it obviously won't work again, only with a new character from scratch or reinforced (level 30 and up).

[waxen sonnet]

Ah so sounds like I gotta redo it again after this last patch then.

Here goes me breaking his pathfinding around a coffee table again

Thanks for letting me know anyway

[glad spruce]

It'll be a missed opportunity if Manny doesn't get a bit angry that we'll have to follow Kelso's trail, again in the next season

[true fox]

I should have tagged you, sorry,

[waxen sonnet]

Nothing to apologise for, I appreciate you rerunning it and trying it out.

Also, If in future I want to talk to you how do I spell your name without the unique letters you have in your Username, is it Wolace?

[true fox]

Yes,
Wolace

[waxen sonnet]

Got it

[sudden mortar]

Descent comms were about:
BT and NSA alliance

Hoskins operation on Silver Creek

And Keener and Viper conversations about recruiting people for their community.

I hope the future descent comms aren't about Theo learning how to take care of a baby

[glad spruce]

And Ortiz Robotics involving their projects, their partnership with Cal and Sokolova, and the simulation program

[obtuse arrow]

What faction

[wicked gorge]

Hyenas I thought

[obtuse arrow]

Oh yeah, I read that wrong

[tepid ibex]

Some…..battalion?! @sleek plover

[sleek plover]

w8 what did i miss

[tepid ibex]

they comin back bro

[sleek plover]

i mean for real?

[tepid ibex]

Bliss had a body double, like Keener. When Keener was with the LMB he found Bliss a double

[sleek plover]

what.

[glad spruce]

I think he's trolling

[gaunt ice]

its all a simulation bru

[glad spruce]

Very funny

[shell parrot]

I wish we can kill the black tusk creator

[glad spruce]

CEO

[wicked gorge]

Wasn’t the original BT CEO a guy

[sick lantern]

Natalya’s dad was the founder of Sokolov Concern, iirc he has no connection to the Black Tusk tho

[wicked gorge]

When the game started, im pretty sure the Black Tusk CEO appeared in some comms and was a man

I don’t remember tho, it’s been awhile since I’ve looked at them

[sick lantern]

you mean that dude who talks to schaeffer in a coffee shop?

[waxen sonnet]

Yeah you're right, there's still Comms you can find in game that have it. Schafer's Comms especially iirc

[wicked gorge]

I think the guy in the coffee shop was his CO but there’s some comns that list him as the BT CEO

[glad spruce]

BTW, the PTS has Manhunt comm collectibles when completing the Scouts. There are 5 of them in the build.

And no, I won't talk about them here.

[sudden mortar]

you got some NDA with this PTS?

[glad spruce]

No. But I prefer to let some people learn the comms on their own terms when the season releases.

[torn shoal]

also, cause spoilers

[fringe gale]

when we catch up with keener, theo and kelso, yall think the sheriff will end up going "rogue" too?

[mint citrus]

Nah, no chance. Would be interesting to think about, though.

[fringe gale]

idk why but i feel like its going that route

or at the very least, we team up with them

[mortal flame]

So… Keener is good guy?

[sudden mortar]

Btw can we talk about how theo and Keener decided to change looks after starting that Brooklyn community like, we are tired of the dope black drip and red rings, let's change the look shall we?

[waxen sonnet]

I dunno man I kinda vibe with Kelso's new appearance

[torn shoal]

drip being the most important tool at the hands of agents as we all know

and also rogue outfit are so much cooler

that bad boy drip

[graceful burrow]

There's probably one JTF with the thousand yard stare after what happened

[torn shoal]

i mean, keener is behind bars for now

that should be fine

[waxen sonnet]

Also, Just a head's up everyone, My transcript of tomorrow's Seasonal comm will be later in the day due to me having a dental appointment when I would otherwise do it.

I'll definitely get it done, but it'll be in the later afternoon than normal

(Probably once I've stopped screaming over dentist's )

[graceful burrow]

It wouldn't matter now majority of the LMB joined the black tusk

[torn shoal]

lmao if blisk is coming back too that would legit be too much

[waxen sonnet]

Please don't get Sayvyur started again he confuses people when he said that because some folks don't understand sarcasm

Work on the theory if anyone else was coming back, they would have by now, with the exception of a potential in the DLC

[gaunt ice]

no we just need him for the time being

[mortal flame]

I’m being sarcastic

[gaunt ice]

ah

didn't pick it up mb

[gaunt ice]

he was never in that helicopter smh

[mortal flame]

You know the meme… “you’re a bad guy but you’re not necessarily a bad guy…”

[gaunt ice]

that only applies if someone is genuinely a good person at heart

[mortal flame]

Never was at the statue of Liberty

[gaunt ice]

unironically gonna take that explanation over some simulation stuff ngl

he just has a body double

[mortal flame]

slowly looks at the high def body of Keener full of LMG holes staring at us from the dock looked pretty dead to me

He major Rick Rolled us agents

[fringe gale]

i do too

for undisclosed reasons🥸

[glad spruce]

I did notice they added a cloak when I saw her appearance in the Manhunt tab

[sudden mortar]

they needed a reason to charge us in the end of the next season for this variant of the kelso outfit.

[glad spruce]

Uh huh

[tepid ibex]

all they gotta do is give him the Hornet treatment tbh. "He's canonically dead....until he's not!"

[glad spruce]

sigh

[dusty comet]

algum BR?

[glad spruce]

When I get home, I'll do my weekly Descent run and summarize this week's comm

[sudden mortar]

||Bro, ANNA is gonna turn on humanity I think, It said it hates babies and they are stupid ||

[waxen sonnet]

Scout 15, Transcript in Progress.

[waxen sonnet]

Y6S2 -WEEK 15 Season Comm Collectible "Balance" 04/02/2025 - Transcripted by JackBarsetto
Theo Parnell Asks Agent Hoskins for advice

||Theo Parnell: "How did you balance being an EMT, a wife and a mother?"||
||Agent Hoskins: "I don't know that I did."||
||Theo Parnell: "Your family is healthy and happy upstate and they love you, I think you did better than you realize.||
||Agent Hoskins: " My Husband, he's a writer and a stay-at-home dad, We didn't have a traditional marriage. He kept us stable while I tried to save the world, Our son is alive because of him, not me."||
||Theo Parnell: "You got them out."||
||Agent Hoskins: "I did."||
||Theo Parnell: "Keener told me you brought the farm and set up an escape plan."||
||Agent Hoskins: "That's true, I did"||
||Theo Parnell: "So, how did you do it? How did you know what was coming and make the right choices to support your family? How did you find the balance?"||
||Agent Hoskins: "I have no idea, I just made the choices that made sense to me at the time. But, none of them seemed important or life changing, just like something that could help us get closer to stable or secure, just in case we lost everything. A backup plan, I just always wanted to have a backup plan."||
||Theo Parnell: "But how did you know it was the right plan?"||
||Agent Hoskins: "I didn't, no one knows if they're making the right decisions, they just have to make a decision. The most dangerous thing isn't making the wrong choice, it's making no choice at all. For kids, even if you F- Up, cause you will f- up, as long as you keep trying and they know you're trying, they will forgive almost anything. They probably forgive too much, but they will remember that you tried. You want to be a good Dad, just show up. All you have to do is show up and be present. And when you're tired, it feels impossible, but that's what they will remember. That you showed up and tried.||

Massive Please give me shorter comms these are taking forever to hand copy and type

[strange rock]

You'll be happy to know then the descent comm is very short

[glad spruce]

Yeah, I'm handling that one

[waxen sonnet]

Its very short for me because I dont play descent so Hawkster's our Descent fella

[strange rock]

Fair enough you didn't go through the descent comm madness

[glad spruce]

Descent comm, Log 87 titled Jack.

||Aaron Keener and Bridgette Douglas discuss whether to recruit Jack Arnold. Douglas mentions how Jack got tricked by the Hunters and left to die in Kenly College even though she'd survive later on and was rescued by us when we went to Kenly College. Jack is a potential recruit, but it comes with a package deal, as Keener would need to recruit both Jack and her spouse Mel. And Mel is well known to come with baggage.||

||The Hunter thing is a reference to how Brian Johnson tricked Jack Arnold and her JTF squad Proteus to go to Kenly College where they'd get killed by the Outcasts settled there and take the Mobile SHD Server from their custody.||

All the more reason why I'm glad we killed that scumbag

[wicked gorge]

Hear that Barsetto, Keener wants to recruit you

[waxen sonnet]

**I am still going to shoot that man many many times **🔫

[wicked gorge]

Can’t get past the famous rogue defender drone

[ornate gull]

Or Sniper Drone

[glad spruce]

Not this again

[wicked gorge]

The cycle continues Hawkster ….

[mortal flame]

@glad spruce how they massacred the only San Diego Navy boy in the Division 😦

[ashen jungle]

That is a very specific complaint.

[mortal flame]

I was a fan of the comics… he was a good guy over all.. now, they just…

good soldiers follow orders murmurs

[ashen jungle]

Isn't that the definition of a solider?

Or is it a meme I'm too old to get?

[mortal flame]

“You know what makes us different than battle droids? We make our own decisions… Our own choices. Sometimes, we have to live with them too.” - Commander Cody to Crosshair before going AWOL (from Star Wars the Bad Batch)

[ashen jungle]

Oh, animated star wars.

I saw an episode, wasn't a fan.
Anyway, that's on me for asking instead of googling.

[torn shoal]

yeah that was fun when we were kids and we were told the world would be nice

and then we played the division on launch

[waxen sonnet]

If we're talking about Brian, I think honestly the reference you make is a good idea actually.

I think it demonstrates the Hunter's, Including Brian, In a way that explains why Hunter's have this persona of ruthless and merciless killers - They see themselves as Agents following legitimate orders, from a legitimate chain of command, that we're no longer fellow Agents but the Enemy (Or Rogue's as Brian says often before his final moments) and that can be all the justification they need, overlooking why it is we're "off-mission" after the revelations of the last few months.

The issue is people like Brian are so stringent to those guidelines and orders they themselves don't question the true ethics behind them (Killing other Agents, Working with the BTSU). That's what makes the Hunter's truly so effective, it's not the gear or abilities but the psychological behaviours they have to do, as what even Brian himself, says is "Do what must be done"

[glad spruce]

Yeah, I'd go with Jack here. Sure, Hunters are dangerous in various ways. But what makes them even moer dangerous is the dogmatic belief they've instilled in them.

[mortal flame]

When you realize Cal
Was probably the one who sent those Hunters ( our own 2nd or 1st wave agents) to hunt down the copter survivors in order to stop us from bringing back the antivirals from the Survival gamemode in Div 1 @glad spruce @ashen jungle

@torn shoal

[sudden mortar]

well that's patriotism basically.

[mortal flame]

To basically prolong the “dangerous situation” so the BTSU could come in and control the major ports and cities

Basically spelled out in the Trilogy of the Novels

[glad spruce]

You can disable the pinging

[mortal flame]

Oh

Btw who’s Anna

[sudden mortar]

in game or here?

[mortal flame]

facepalm

[waxen sonnet]

Not necessarily, Patriotism is almost more mild than the Indoctrination or self belief of righteousness the Hunters have

[mortal flame]

aright going to head out

[glad spruce]

I think RC meant the actual AI, mate

[mortal flame]

My job is done… let this theory cook

🤣

[waxen sonnet]

I am now going to go shoot Brian again purely to access his saferoom to stare intently at that map

I will hate myself for this later

[glad spruce]

Which saferoom?

[sudden mortar]

his hideout where you can find his original SHD watch and a map of DC.

[mortal flame]

the back of my agent’s mind right now “but the agent watch bandolier is awesome to wear though.. and that combat axe, woah takes me back… back to the start screen.”

[glad spruce]

Was this added when the game first released or when Y5S2 released?

[mortal flame]

Woah woah woah… Brian has a safe house? And left his original watch intact?… sigh this story just gets better and better

[waxen sonnet]

Post final mission of Recruiters season.

[sudden mortar]

on puppeteers season after the recruiter manhunt, some of the collectible are cordenates that leads the player to Brian's hideout after his death.

[waxen sonnet]

The Climax mission gives you "Recruiters Insurance 1"

[glad spruce]

Ohhhh, I remember now

[mortal flame]

But didn’t we/Birdy kill him with the Mortar strike?

[torn shoal]

Yeah, cal is a pos that's not new that he wants power more and more

[mortal flame]

So that’s what everyone’s been talking about the insurance thing

[glad spruce]

Yeah, Birdie kileld him with the Black Tusk mortars she hacked. He was too powerful for us to handle on our own

[torn shoal]

Type of person that would gladly reign over a world of ashes

[sudden mortar]

you expect him to be there like: I wasn't at that camp agent.

[mortal flame]

Natalie prob going to kill him in Div 3 seeing how badly he’s doing so far rip

[glad spruce]

I would say Natalya Sokolova is especially dangerous, considering her personality traits

[torn shoal]

It's buggé for me I cant access it :(

[waxen sonnet]

Gun beats spear moment

[torn shoal]

Which ones ?

[mortal flame]

I mean.. he could be like “hey Hunter buddy, wear my armor for this mission for me.. I’ll be right back..”

[torn shoal]

What is concerning about nat to me is that she feels like what she does is justified

[sudden mortar]

manipulative, cold and any trait you expect from a company CEO

[mortal flame]

She’s Russian.. what else would you expect

[torn shoal]

Thats fair

[torn shoal]

That's not fair

[mortal flame]

And what does Tom Clancy always write about… say it with me…… the Russians are….

[torn shoal]

Tom clancy didnt write the division

Also it was about cold war stuff so not russians

[mortal flame]

But it’s his brand and lore… I mean look at the jack
Ryan books

Still I stand by the Russians allowed the Dollar flu to spread like it did

[sudden mortar]

ubisoft just use the "Tom clancy's" title on many franchises because they can, it isn't exactly related to what was written honestly.

[torn shoal]

Also the guy isnt really a good person

[torn shoal]

How ??

They have nothing to do with that in lore

[mortal flame]

Only place to get those chicken pox samples was from Siberia….

[glad spruce]

Uhhh.... no

[torn shoal]

No ?

[mortal flame]

NSA comms

[torn shoal]

It was amerst

Who replicated it

[mortal flame]

they were tracking the lab guy

[glad spruce]

And DCD lab. There's only two labs that has the smallpox samples

[mortal flame]

Verchanco

[tranquil haven]

is this going to be "the cold corpse of Tom Clancy is unjustifiedly mean towards Russians" hour?

[torn shoal]

I feel like there is another thing at play

[mortal flame]

🤣

[glad spruce]

I'll put it this way, there's no way Amherst could've gotten a smallpox sample without help from a proxy.

The proxy being the Cabal group.

[torn shoal]

^

[sudden mortar]

Gordon Amherst is not russian, and Vitaly Tchernenko only helped him with some research.

[mortal flame]

oh now when you say the Cabal… you don’t mean

[torn shoal]

Really, pinning the dollar flu on russia when it was amerst who did it, that's some next lvl gazlighting

[glad spruce]

Yes, I mean the shadow organization that are likely involved in the events that set the Green Poison in motion.

[mortal flame]

Whether you like it or not we’ve stepped into a war with the Cabal……..

[torn shoal]

Also the basic anti russian sentiment is just plain bad

[glad spruce]

Fell for that one, didn't I....

[mortal flame]

[tranquil haven]

in "our" timeline there are several unanswered questions about what happened to a bunch of maybe declared-maybe undeclared bioweapons programs across the Warsaw Pact and Middle East that suddenly had funding cut because the cold war is over

more than a few were suspected of having smallpox cultures that in any case are definitely no longer at the sites

[mortal flame]

Besides the point

[torn shoal]

What is the point tho ?

You cant just say what you said without proof

[mortal flame]

Does anyone want to speculate Division 3 lore since it’s officially being worked on… I know this guy named NGN is breaking things down everything prior to Battle of Brooklyn

[torn shoal]

Especially when it contradict all. Lore

[mortal flame]

sigh look… what I just wrote is my speculation of Division 1 and 2 lore since the beginning of 2019 IRL… I’ve had no one to talk to about Div lore since the NGN guy I previously mentioned shut down his own private lore server way back when. Just getting the thoughts out there

[torn shoal]

I mean

You could just say that

Instead of stating thoses as facts

[mortal flame]

^^^*

My interpretation of the books and comms lore I’ve read and heard

and like anyone would say anyway… it’s just a Game Theory

[tranquil haven]

the last refuge of the media illiterate

[mortal flame]

what’s illiterate

kappa face

Just watch the NGN’s lore vids to get up to speed

[waxen sonnet]

@true fox Just a quick thank you again Wolace, I did replay the Manhunt after you tried it out and have since been able to get the Insurance to work so I can access the saferoom to look at the map and documents I wanted too in the room

[mortal flame]

I would like to ask permission to post a single image to this channel

[ashen jungle]

There's no image permissions for this channel, so it's not a matter of getting permission, it's not possible.

[mortal flame]

scribbles on the whiteboard but but it must be possible nothing is impossible

[mortal flame]

I’m mixing up the servers I’m in… huh

[ashen jungle]

Image Permissions in channels on this server are a gift from the Admins, as just a mod I can't add them, and the admins can choose to remove them should they be used poorly.

[mortal flame]

Understandable

Have a good day

[waxen sonnet]

Even we Boosters don't get image perms, which is annoying because otherwise I could solve entire questions with screenshots. 🙃

[ashen jungle]

Paying a server doesn't get you special permission, especially on an official one.

What lore question requires a picture over a line of text to answer?

[waxen sonnet]

Showing buildings, Characters, Iconography, Maps etc

[ashen jungle]

The wiki covers that nicely.

[sick lantern]

he didn’t have a sample, he worked at the lab and then printed his own virus

[ashen jungle]

Amherst's cousin, I knew it!

[torn shoal]

the plot thickens

[true fox]

Perfect!

[velvet forum]

The True Sons are nice and all, but nothing will compare to the fear and shivers down my spine that the LMB gave me. Like they gave me a stern warning prior before I went in their territory. Then proceeded to light up some cleaners.

[glad spruce]

Well, LMB is history. So how about that?

[torn shoal]

lmb is poopoo

all my homies are cleaners lovers

[waxen sonnet]

Well yes Rivens of course you can say that, But this whole channel is here for people who might not be able to find what they need on the Wiki, either by not able to search as a question or not knowing enough to make a correct search 🤦

[sleek plover]

Damn I hate LMB

[glad spruce]

Yeah, some people are still confused about how Keener is alive after we kicked his a-- in WONY considering there's no mandatory plot catchup

[ashen jungle]

@waxen sonnet In the future, only ping me if there is a spam issue.

[waxen sonnet]

Yeah whatever. If I need an actually active mod I use The kettle nowadays anyway.

[ashen jungle]

As long as you follow the rules and don't use this channel as a personal ranting post, there's no issue.
Now, back to the lore talk.
@glad spruce To avoid baseless speculation, I think the pushing back of the DLC probably altered the path the plot took somewhat, so we'll most likely get some kind of info about it (if we get any at all) along with the DLC's release.

[torn shoal]

new plot : the cabal is in space and div 3 is setup in a hidden space station the size of new york

still wouldnt be as crazy as half the new plot we got

(and we get survival but we gotta manage oxygen too now cause why not)

massive hire me i can be trusted around lore i swear

[ashen jungle]

Fan-fiction aside, any actual thoughts on the DLC's plot?

[torn shoal]

no clue, but a few things i'd love

like, not a reuse of cleaners and riker

or only in small bits to say they exist around

maybe we finally going to get anderson

like nat getting tired of him and delivering him

or pretending to, to get favors/buy some time

and then schaffer miraculously wake up but with amnesia

[ashen jungle]

There's 2 NYC factions that haven't been covered in a DLC yet, I think those are a fairly safe choice.
Especially with the hints about one of them already.

[torn shoal]

havent seen the hints, can you tell me ? havent followed scouts for a while

in spoiler if needed

[ashen jungle]

This was actually pre-Scouts.
tl;dr ||LMB||.

[torn shoal]

oh

yeah that could happen

wait whats the other faction ?

rioters ?

they arent really a faction tho ?

[ashen jungle]

They had their own missions and (kind of) a Stronghold back in div1.

[torn shoal]

hm, i guess

they were mostly early game iirc

and they had like 1 boss in dz

i wish we had a real incursion with rioters tho

i think it was lacking back then

but they arent the most interesting faction

they werent crafty like cleaners, threatening and out to get us like rikers, organized like lmb

[strange rock]

Would be nice if the dlc went full circle back to div 1 factions but I doubt it especially with all the lingering questions in the story rn

[torn shoal]

tbh im just hoping it doesnt go full on conspiracy with cabale

like a bit of conspiracy is fine, but going all the way "everybody is out to get you" gets boring real fast

at some point you gotta rely on people to create a narrative

[strange rock]

it kinda has to, if there's no functional government then there's someone trying to take control

[ashen jungle]

The very nature of the games from the start have been "shadow government running things", so us finally getting a crack at them makes a lot of narrative sense, especially if div3 is going where I think it is.

[strange rock]

Yeah it's very Tom Clancy, despite him not being involved in the creation of the games

[ashen jungle]

Or in any game with his name on it since 2008.

[torn shoal]

yeah but like

its overdoing it right now i feel

there is a line between "we can trust everyone and its all chill"

and "everybody is a traitor actually even your dog"

[ashen jungle]

I'll leave out any personal opinions I have on the current story, and just say that I'm interested in seeing where it concludes.

[torn shoal]

yeah im still interested too

just hoping it doesnt go a bad route

[sick lantern]

I agree

[glad spruce]

I think with the way the story is building up, it'll likely go into the People vs the Cabal

[waxen sonnet]

My theory is the Cabal is going to stay backgrounded until we've dealt with the BTSU, the BTSU being the "strong arm" of the Cabal, so once Nat and Mcmanus is outta play, the Cabal not only becomes less secure, it looses key members

[gaunt ice]

the cabal screams future villain setup because we still have Sokolova and McManus still being “primary” villains, and i doubt both of them will be dealt with in the near future, at best maybe Sokolova will hit the dirt in the DLC and McManus being part of the cabal(or join them?idk) being reserved for future seasons/div3

[wicked gorge]

Sokolova ain’t dying anytime soon due to her being alive at the end of hunted

[gaunt ice]

when is Hunted set again

[wicked gorge]

Aint the end of the book set 10 months into the future of the current timeline

[gaunt ice]

ah

well the inverse happens i guess?

[wicked gorge]

That’s iirc, you might wanna fact check it with Barsetto or Hawkster, I haven’t read hunter but I’ve been spoiled on it

[gaunt ice]

idc bout spoilers, hit me

[wicked gorge]

I haven’t read the books after recruited, im saying you would have to ask one of them

That or google

[ashen jungle]

As someone else might: spoiler tag it in here.

[sick lantern]

roughly the middle of the year after the one div 2 is currently at, june-july

ofc the timeline has been shagged ever since Recruited and Div 2 presented contradicting information, so no point fussing over the specifics

it’s in the future or the past as the game requires

unless Compromised and Hunted have no in game tie in or relevant information going forward

[wicked gorge]

If I had to guess, I would say hunted takes place before reign of fire

[sick lantern]

Nope

wait

well Reign of Fire was after Recruited

and Hunted is months and months after Recruited

there’s six months between Recruited and Compromised iirc

and Hunted is a couple more months

meanwhile the manhunt timeline shows all the post wony content happening in quick succession

[wicked gorge]

Only reason I think that is cause the Black Tusk attacked the White House with the countermeasures and iirc ||Maria developed the countermeasures in recruited and at the end of Hunted, she was brought into the black tusk before the time skip in the books||

I could be wrong tho, like I said I haven’t read anything passed recruited so I’m out of the loop besides spoilers

[sick lantern]

she also ||destroys her countermeasure at the end of Hunted||

[wicked gorge]

Didn’t know that

[sick lantern]

I’m not gonna lie to you the communication between Ubi and Parrott definitely had some holes in it and Hunted, I’m almost certain, was changed to match some things Ubi requested

they couldn’t even get the dates right. so I doubt all the nitty gritty details of “which countermeasure is which” line up 100%

[wicked gorge]

Fair, to be fair it’s Ubisoft and writers. The only ubi book I know that makes sense in timeline order is Broken Dawn and Dark Waters from the Ghost Recon franchise

[gaunt ice]

so the countermeasure is meant to shut down the network right

[sick lantern]

it’s speculation there are too many messy plot elements for me to be happy saying the book didn’t get messed with
the underdeveloped rogues, the Roughnecks get mentioned like twice despite being touted as the new faction, there’s that weird bit with one city (i forgot the name forgive me americans) with the gangster faction they have one shootout and then just leave

[sick lantern]

Yea

[wicked gorge]

Yes, it’s basically a jammer

[gaunt ice]

so whats stopping them from using the countermeasure on the mobile server?

i don’t think they need the mobile server?

[wicked gorge]

The mobile servers aren’t connected to the network, iirc it’s explained in the end cutscene of season 11

[sudden mortar]

Well, they never mentioned how exactly this countermeasure works, when BT took down the ISAC node on JTC, their warhounds went offline since ISAC ANNA and DIAMOND use the same network structure.

[gaunt ice]

must’ve forgotten that, is it possible to bring the network back on or its gone forever now

[sudden mortar]

It's air gapped, and independent from the main network.

[wicked gorge]

They were able to reestablish it after the White House attack but it also shut down the rogue network since it piggybacked off ISAC, we can reactive it but it leaves us at a disadvantage since BT could shut down the network remotely

[sick lantern]

good question
i mean in Hunted we see “the countermeasure” deployed locally multiple times so i don’t see why they shouldn’t be able to, it’s the same infrastructure

[gaunt ice]

what im reading here is that no one is bothered enough to protect the network and the node under JTC because we’re still reliant on the mobile server as of now

[sudden mortar]

Wonder how effective the rogue network will be, depending on how many mobile SHD servers keener's group managed to get.

[gaunt ice]

how Johnson baited us to bring the server to white oaks which was out of range

[wicked gorge]

They can shut the network down remotely, they don’t need access to the nodes

[gaunt ice]

wouldn’t that also render their tech null since they’re all the same system

im not wrapping my head around this

[wicked gorge]

I haven’t been keeping up with the lore lately so I’d recommend asking Barsetto or Hawkster, but with the information I know. The countermeasures also disrupts the Black Tusks tech due to all 3 systems being linked to each other

[sick lantern]

the ending of Hunted
||is Maira deleting “the countermeasure” she worked on specifically so the BT would be unable to discriminately target the SHD network||

[sudden mortar]

So it's basically a targeting module to select which infrastructure to block/disable

[sick lantern]

this is the same game where at launch ur SHD tech still functioned despite the shutdown of the network being a major plot point. so

no one can wrap their head around how the SHutDown Network works. it’s been inconsistent since Div 1 launch

[gaunt ice]

but when ||was her countermeasure made?before or after the white house attack?||

[sick lantern]

ehhhh

[sudden mortar]

Yeah, I don't think MASSIVE got network engineers on their development team. LoL

[sick lantern]

^

[gaunt ice]

but that….doesn’t make sense

[sick lantern]

Nope!

it don’t

sometimes a multimedia project just has holes, see also Halo

[wicked gorge]

Is it just me or do the mobile shd servers not make much sense

[sudden mortar]

It's the division, of course it doesn't make sense

[wicked gorge]

If they can put the master chief in da soda, they can make Keener a good guy

[sick lantern]

there’s a node in every major city (presumably, NY and DC both have one), there are signal boosters in rural areas (stated in Broken Dawn), there are three Cores so any one of them breaking means two are still keeping the network up, ISAC and SHD tech still works in DZs or a hurricane, and yet mobile servers are still apparently needed
nah bruv it does not make sense

[gaunt ice]

master chief, mind telling me what you’re doing in Fortnite

sir, finishing this chug jug

[sudden mortar]

as far as I know about networking, The only thing I can think is like, Keener wants to use the mobile servers to be like the "client" and a local "server". Like using Bluetooth for their SHD tech and ANNA. And then they wouldn't worry about the countermeasure unless BT make it able to be used wirelessly.

[gaunt ice]

so couldn’t we just use Keener’s server or whatever?he’s a bum and what is he gonna do to stop us from robbing his server

or is he also using a mobile server

[wicked gorge]

Aint he using the mobile shd servers as their versions of nodes for his network?

[sudden mortar]

I am more worried about ANNA deciding that we are worthless after saying that babies are stupid and become Glados of the division universe.

[gaunt ice]

that thing has infinite range apparently since ANNA is still functional in DC

[wicked gorge]

Wouldn’t Ultron be a better option or too basic?

[gaunt ice]

cant wait to put ANNA in a potato

[sudden mortar]

Ultron does have a Battle body, ANNA doesn't

[gaunt ice]

Ultron is actually charming, we need something more condescending

[sudden mortar]

I would prefer the canto MK6 from cyberpunk

[wicked gorge]

That could be plausible due to the Network being active again and allowing ANNA to piggyback off the nodes again

But it still doesn’t make sense how a small briefcase is able to keep up with a whole node system

[gaunt ice]

honestly i say we give him to black tusk, ill give him a week before he either dismantles BT or cave in and actually work with us instead of sending us on a goose chase

backstabbing is his specialty, look at LMB

[sudden mortar]

Unless our SHD brick can run ANNA application without the server, or I'm just creating a whole crazy theory that doesn't exist

[wicked gorge]

It’s funny cause he also backstabbed the black tusk before WONY

[wicked gorge]

I mean it would make sense

[gaunt ice]

i still don’t get the deal with Coney Island, he could’ve just handed us Vitaly something if he wanted to instead of doing the whole rose n dance

[gaunt ice]

eh, the rogue network is ANNA it seems

[ashen jungle]

Rose and dance?

[gaunt ice]

i forgot the slang

its like 12:30am rn

[ashen jungle]

Think "Le Miserable".

[sudden mortar]

He didn't want to, he even said on the final cutscene like: you got Vitaly, congratulations, you can keep him.

[waxen sonnet]

The brick is the host platform, So its no different if it hosts ANNA Or ISAC, Think a computer running Windows or Linux, once you've created a system to house an Operating system, it shouldnt matter too much on which one you use.

[ashen jungle]

Not to get too meta, but that does come across as a ret-con moment, anna.

I dispute saying that the hosting platform can be the same no matter what you're running.

[sudden mortar]

Exactly, any device that runs as a client can run as a local server too.

[gaunt ice]

ok so
he gave BT Vitaly, for what exactly?even the commanders thought the deal was shady

[ashen jungle]

Cmon chairs, you had "the deal as SHDy" right there!

[gaunt ice]

shit ur right

😔

[waxen sonnet]

Within reason, You'd significantly require more power for server operations than just a little SHD Brick for one person.

[ashen jungle]

That depends on how much the scan-tek optic movements can generate, I suppose.

[waxen sonnet]

That's for the lens, not the Brick.

[ashen jungle]

I doubt we'll ever get exact amounts, but I assume that it's just enough to make the HuD work.

That does raise the question of how efficient it is, if it can make the HuD work by that alone.

[sick lantern]

eclipse was finished so he didn’t need him anymore, but just dumping him in the street would make keener seem less mysterious and cool. so he had to do something dramatic

[ashen jungle]

It does seem more likely that we have a power-source on us as well.

[sudden mortar]

Well, maybe he just wanted to see the sh!t hit the fan. Like, I'm gonna call drug dealers and the police to meet at the same place

[wicked gorge]

The brick is probably the battery

[wicked gorge]

That seems like the most logical thing to make sense

[ashen jungle]

So we have to charge it externally, or is it some crazy efficient thing where it's powered by our leg movements?

Are the Gadgets also charged via the brick, or do we take them out after leaving them on overnight, like a Tesla.

[sick lantern]

i’d consult the lore™️ book but i’m eating pizza rn

[waxen sonnet]

The book doesn't mention power supply to the Brick, only the Lense.

[wicked gorge]

Let me find my nearest Tesla charging station and charge my turret and shield

[waxen sonnet]

Infact Both books dont mention Power for the brick

[sudden mortar]

Well, we got a drone that can deflect bullets and only last 20s, maybe the ODEA got some very sci-fi power technology.

[ashen jungle]

I would bet actual money that what I'm asking is so beyond what has been thought of, that it will never be answered.

for the record: I'm fully okay with that. It's an insane quesiton.

[wicked gorge]

If our lenses act as mini solar panels for our tech, then it wouldn’t be a shocker if our ISAC brick acted as a battery

[waxen sonnet]

I mean jokes aside 90% chance it'll be some form of advance Solar, In a Grid down scenario you're going to power it on something Renewable.

[waxen sonnet]

The lenses only power themselves.

The watch, Brick and other skills do not have a specific mentioned power source in the source books

[sudden mortar]

Some agents have solar panels on backpack, like lvl 1 backpack on the prologue

[sick lantern]

the brick is powered by positive manifestations

[waxen sonnet]

Any of the 5.11 Backpacks do yeah, with cabling leading into the pack itself, likely a powerbank

[ashen jungle]

Ah, we finally found a use for the 5.11 backpacks!

giant AAA's.

[wicked gorge]

I just realized something, since agents have their lenses and they help display vital information. Couldn’t the black tusk just hack the lenses and spam ads

[ashen jungle]

I wonder if the tie-in advert got them extra points if they're part of the official lore.

[ashen jungle]

That's actually not a million miles away from why an electric shock incapacitates an Agent for an abnormally long time.
zzzt, straight to the eyeballs.

[sudden mortar]

Check the ODEAphone 12 available for purchase!

[waxen sonnet]

In the books Hunters Hack the earpieces of Agents to deafen them with extremly loud music and static so its kinda already done

[gaunt ice]

pretty sure Keener did that with spamming false objectives in liberty island

[ashen jungle]

An Agent suddenly hearing "baby shark, doo doo doo do doo" on max volume.

[wicked gorge]

Im talking in the sense that imagine your attacking a HVT and the next thing you see is “Congrats, you won a free car, click here”

[waxen sonnet]

Think more the Hunter from Coney Island's weird voices on Max, with some added screaching

[sudden mortar]

BT gonna spam the Ola Strandh OST

[ashen jungle]

Nah that's not as funny. My vote is "party rock anthem".

[wicked gorge]

That’s a good choice right there

[waxen sonnet]

"Rogue agent detected" at 50,000Dbs as he appears in a cloud of smoke

[sudden mortar]

By the way, I don't know if all the exotics are canon, but we could say the hunters and keener had the exodus exotic gloves years ago to make that smoke out of nowhere.

[wicked gorge]

If thats the case, I want the exotic that releases a wave of electricity and hijacks enemy skills

[mortal flame]

So… does anyone think that IRL we actual have those kind of tech?

I mean… if the robo dogs with 50 cal turrets on them are any indication

[sudden mortar]

We kinda have, automated turrets are already a thing on navy ships and boston dynamics had those robot dogs for more than one decade, now just mix both things and there you go.

[ashen jungle]

the Boston Dynamics ones can run up stairs, the 2-legged ones that is.

[mortal flame]

War…. War never changes

[wicked gorge]

The only shd tech im not 100% on is the defender drone, idk if we have something like that irl but the rest of the tech is real to an extent

[mortal flame]

To paraphrase my favorite emperor; “The republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire. We will bring in a new age….”

[sudden mortar]

Maybe in the future, today we have active protection system (APS) which is a system designed to actively prevent certain anti-tank weapons from destroying a vehicle. Idk if it will be possible to happen in a smaller scale for bullets.

[wicked gorge]

I usually call them ADS but the defender drone uses microwave emitters

It would be funny tho to see the drone shoot a small object to protect the user

[mortal flame]

microwave emitters? That’s a thing?

[wicked gorge]

I guess

[glad spruce]

There's a thing called microwave transmission, which is pretty different from emitters, I'd reckon

[wicked gorge]

The defender drone is where I draw the line sometimes

[ornate gull]

Anyone delete my comment seem mistake it for gameplay question

[ashen jungle]

As it was a direct "how can I change this" question, you can see the confusion.
If you're asking about in the lore: we have no idea about the inner mechanics of skills, as they physically do not, and in most cases: can not, exist.

I guess if you want the most likely answer: no, because it's physically launching a canister, think of it like a trebuchet, not a bullet.

[near totem]

Is there a reason why the survival hunter doesnt attack us from the start when our helicopters crash other than that we basically have nothing to defend ourself and the player would be killed in seconds?

Why should the hunter wait till we get to the dark zone and call for our heli when he can just kill us and the BoO wouldnt know a thing

[obsidian jay]

The fact theres dead agents at the entrances of the darkzone likely means they put their masks on as soon as they entered the darkzone while they were in a team with other agents

or waited
and more and more agents made way to the extraction points
and they also got lured to the extraction points

[near totem]

so while we were gathering materials to enter the dark zone, the hunters were eliminating other agents

So we were just last on the kill list

[mortal flame]

Why waste ammo when you could just make a fun game of tag

[mortal flame]

Now that’s dark… for the dark zone

Fear leads to anger anger leads to hate…. Hate leads to…. Suffering

[near totem]

Well the game of tag is not fun if you are trying not to freeze in -32°C while searching for some bait box

[mortal flame]

Not for you maybe…. I mean the Hunter probably killed his squad right before going into the dark zone… to kill you… so…..

Bait box exactly…. Thinning the 2nd Wave numbers so all that are left are Hunters and loyalists

But that didn’t work so the BTSU were sent in to finish the job/all of us

Maybe Keener engineered this from the start… Maybe it was Keener All Along

[sick lantern]

because if you don’t extract you’re dead anyway

so why waste the effort

[near totem]

So its just better for them to wait atleast an hour see us drop dead

[sick lantern]

old theory

[violet sandal]

True Sons on top

[glad spruce]

4 days left

[wicked gorge]

Best guess is Hunters wanted to remain anonymous

[tepid ibex]

blasphemy

[wicked gorge]

That brought a thought to my head, whatever happened to the rogue agents that were apart of the LMB

[waxen sonnet]

I think its likely there's only three outcomes, Killed in the final battle of the United Nations Building, Gone off on there own as an now-unaligned Rogue Agent since the LMB's collapse or Lastly, remained with LMB Remnants until being absorbed into the BTSU alongside other Rogues already with the BTSU.

[wicked gorge]

Wouldn’t there final stand be at the water treatment plant?

[waxen sonnet]

By then really the LMB Was collapsing, between the physical losses, there HQ Gone and Bliss's death being a huge collapse in morale, so while true, It depends where you see it really that the LMB fell apart

[tepid ibex]

They dispersed and took their cool jackets with them 👍

[wicked gorge]

Gatekeeping the drip is crazy

[sick lantern]

you do know there was a rogue agent there?

[obsidian jay]

or absorbed into parts of the JTF (despite the past)
theres alot of ex LMB turned JTF especially in one of the WLONY trailers
shame we didn't get to see more JTF in the division 2

[compact hamlet]

The dude on fire in the Meret Estate incursion is a hunter right?

[sick lantern]

yea

the lovebirds’ “kids” are SHD tech he gave them

[gaunt ice]

i think they kinda died off or ran to somewhere rather than joining the JTF since you’d think they would mention there being a rogue agent in the Peacekeepers

[waxen sonnet]

Yes, He's called Wright, He's a Hunter Imbedded as a sleeper into the Cleaners, and the singular reason for the cleaners attack on the Meret Estate is him being ordered to falsely accuse it as being a outbreak hotspot by Sokolova.

[sudden mortar]

where you guys think this manhunt will take place, I would guess Jefferson Plaza.

[waxen sonnet]

That, or the TV Building,

Its gonna be some place Tech related given Theo.

[sudden mortar]

Or the NOA bulding, given the region (southwest) that we are investigating. those scouts took 2 or 3 weeks per region.

[mortal flame]

How did ex lmb become JTF? Wouldn’t the JTF like… try to kill them lol

Can anyone remember if NORAD HQ was destroyed in universe or high level officials are
Still laying low there after the “president” was shot down over DC

[glad spruce]

No one really knows

[glad spruce]

Given the dwindling numbers the JTF had went through since the outbreak, they're willing to take what they can get, including Ex-LMB as long as those ex-LMBs were willing to work for it

[mortal flame]

“Willing to work just don’t kill me “ lol

[torn shoal]

"hey guys, im looking for a job, my old boss died from something like a lot of people, u recruiting ?"
"we sure do, here take a gun and go do something"

more realistically tho, its often done to recruit enemy soldiers in time of war or old convicts in exchange for no prison time if they are losing, its a good way to convince people to not fight you + you get more manpower

you can win without fighting

[mortal flame]

But you just gave your enemy fully loaded m4s… it’s like the Roman Empire integrated other people into their ranks or SHIELD integrating Hydra/Nazi scientists/grunts…… where does their true loyalty lie

[glad spruce]

Who cares? The more the merrier

[mortal flame]

Wait til they Order 66 on you

Then talk to me then lol

[sudden mortar]

I think that is more like: I'm not loyal to a person or an idea, I just joined this faction because I want to survive

[glad spruce]

Also, considering the circumstances we're in, some people would take survival over ideals or principles

[glad spruce]

3 days left

[tepid ibex]

til what

[glad spruce]

The manhunt finale

[wicked gorge]

Till Hawkster can meet Theo and strangle him for the annoying riddles and working with keener

[glad spruce]

He has a kid, so I won't strangle Theo.

In fact, I appreciate the effort he made putting those riddles.

[wicked gorge]

You’ve gone soft Hawkster

[glad spruce]

Ehh, I'd say more like swallowing my pride and letting myself see how our partnership with Keener and Parnell gonna pan out

[near totem]

This question was propably asked before, but why is JTF in DC not wearing UCP like they did in Div 1? I know its hotter in Washington than in NYC during winter but it looks like they didnt even get their uniforms, or even reflective vests

[wicked gorge]

Uniforms aren’t gonna be the same everywhere you go

[sweet crypt]

JTF in Div 1 was soldiers and police so they had whatever the issued uniforms and equipment were. JTF in Div 2 seems to be more civilian volunteers, so they have whatever is available. At least that my head canon.

[ashen jungle]

@sweet crypt Actually, the bulk of the JTF by the time of div1 were whatever civil servants were left. The national guard that it was mostly made up of at the start were pretty much all dead by that point.

No need for head-canon, this is explicitly stated in div1.

[mortal flame]

Little Theo has a Child? MEN, we must protect the father. A child cannot grow up in this post apocalyptic world without a father……

[mortal flame]

No… JTF was National Guard and combination of police and emergency response (that’s why they’re called JTF)

remember where Anderson came from…. Manny?

[ashen jungle]

I'm sure the children of the JTF that Theo murdered are cool with that.

[sweet crypt]

National Guard are soldiers.

[mortal flame]

At the point where our new agent arrives, the JTF have fallen….. no Order only Chaos rein

NY was looking ok, well before Keener decided to Nuke city hall

[ashen jungle]

@mortal flame As stated, by the time of div1 they're mostly not that anymore either.
At that point, think of them as whatever government workers that didn't join the Cleaners.
Same goes for the Peacekeepers in WONY-present.

[mortal flame]

And made Lau turn on us and try to kill us for no absolute reason other than her sister dying off screen in a comm we have to find

[ashen jungle]

You really don't play the post-WONY content.

[mortal flame]

I’m making an exaggeration but you’re right

[ashen jungle]

If you're going to talk so confidently about the lore, you should probably catch up on the current stuff. Lau's story kept going.

[mortal flame]

Sarcasm much

[ashen jungle]

the explanation of why she "betrayed" us was like, 4 years ago now.

[mortal flame]

no one can tell I’m being sarcastic about things…. always read me as too
Literal lol

[ashen jungle]

You used no indicators of sarcasm, your tone was 100% flat.
Sarcasm is hard through text, even if you're exaggerating. As someone who communicates pretty much 100% via text, the invention of the /s marker was genius.

[glad spruce]

There are still people who think Lau is a traitor despite what Season 9 first established

[ashen jungle]

I just think she was kind of dumb, but yeah, not a traitor.

I mean we all kinda know why she really left, the excuse they gave was fine I guess, could've been better done but whatever.

[glad spruce]

Sure

[mortal flame]

At least Kelso was honorable enough to let our boy (security sector from Div 1) let her have a funeral/let us bury our own

[ashen jungle]

Wait, what?

@glad spruce did I miss some major lore thing in the last few weeks?

[glad spruce]

No. Season 9s intro cutscene already established that we let Faye Lau get a proper burial even when Kelso wanted to let the Crows feast on her corpse, at first

I think RC is misunderstood. Roy Benitez is still alive and kicking

[ashen jungle]

Ooh that's what that means. See, "security specialist" I see as mr Grumpy Pants himself, re: tech security.

[mortal flame]

No no. I meant… oh, what ever Hawk just said

[ashen jungle]

I was like "oh finally!".

[mortal flame]

wait.. you want Benitez to die in a blaze of glory?

[ashen jungle]

.....no the other guy.
Frankly, since death doesn't actually mean anything in this series anymore, when div3 comes back around I expect Lau to be leading her own faction. Permitting a celebrity VA is added to it, of course.

[mortal flame]

Who’s her VA?

[ashen jungle]

If you've seen it, she's Lucy in the Rookie.

[mortal flame]

I mean the Division without our contact lenses is just Urban Ghost Recon

[mortal flame]

Noooooo way

[ashen jungle]

I know right? blew my mind at first too.

[mortal flame]

Ahhhhhhh 🤣

Mind shutdown imminent…

[ashen jungle]

Keener's VA being both british (because of course he's a secret british villain), and was a temporary main character in Midsummer Murders was a big one for me, although that will hit normal people less.

[mortal flame]

slaps face “get it together man.”

yeah… the slight smoky Keener voice just really makes people want to join his team no matter how bad a villain he is lol

Though he just really can’t get the girls lol

[ashen jungle]

It is fun that he canonically lost most of his SHD Agent signing bonus to Crypto scams.

[mortal flame]

Wait what ha

Uh how is what I said blocked content

[ashen jungle]

The word "crypto" itself is blocked, due to a flood of daily scam links.

[mortal flame]

Oh

Wait, but you said it lol

[ashen jungle]

🪄 magic!

[mortal flame]

I’ve wrote too much hardcore speculation.. the server thinks I’m a threat

well guess going rogue

Anna, get me out of here lol

Look up SW Clone Wars finale scene with Mauls speech to Ashoka…. That’s what I think about our situation with Keener right now

and the Cabal. I rest my case

[near totem]

If we are looking from Civilian side of view, where do we have a better chance of survival, on the streets or underground?

[wicked gorge]

Both are reincarnations of hell but I would prefer topside than underground

[near totem]

I think topside has more resources but in underground technically nobody can even know that you are there

[mortal flame]

Do you really want to sleep with the crocs?

[wicked gorge]

Well in div 1, it shows the underground is still flooded with hostiles with many comms discussing it as a maze and in div 2, we basically got the leatherface mini family that chills down there until night

[mortal flame]

wait.. leather face family? takes out minigun uh not in my sewers

[wicked gorge]

Well Maniek was saying from a civis perspective, idk about you but if I was chilling in the sewer and saw a 6 ft wearing a ballistic mask and chains around him that proceeds to charge me with a chainsaw, im kindly saying **** that

[mortal flame]

I love the comms…. Supposedly in Div 1 they have a comms talking about killing Alex but the agents get confused on which Alex they’re talking about ….. if you know you know

[sick lantern]

that is basically what the civilian collectibles from Underground said, so

[wicked gorge]

“They got Alex!”

[mortal flame]

this man right here sir… is a legend

Give this man a collectible Arm Patch lol

[wicked gorge]

I mean it’s the same as the LMB screaming they got Dylan for the 100th time

[mortal flame]

Never heard about Dylan

[near totem]

Yeah, they love to scream it on Falcon Lost

[mortal flame]

Red storm
Needs to add a memorial wall in the beginning of Div 3 and just put Dylan and Alex name all
Over lol

[mortal flame]

I think I was too busy trying not to get mortared, I was trying to snipe my way through the whole thing with a buddy of mine back then

[near totem]

Well I was sitting in a pitt in the middle with D3fnc so they always came to scream it in my face

[mortal flame]

Same.. but we killed them all before they could even speak a single line heh

[near totem]

I remember when i started rushing to the APC wand few rogues came out in my face

[mortal flame]

I remember doing the mission 5 times over on repeat because the guy sniping from the ledge got mortared and the guy (me) going toward the APC was being rushed by the shotgunners… such painful hours

[glad spruce]

2 days left

[mortal flame]

I’m waiting for Massive to pull a “Somehow, Faye Lau returned”

and also a “oh you’re awake.” points at Shaeffer

[ashen jungle]

Well Lau is canonically ashes, and Schaeffer is in a coma.
So the former isn't really possible, the latter is fairly inevitable.

[glad spruce]

The latter is very inevitable. Sleeping Beauty gotta wake up very soon

[gaunt ice]

and Keener was swiss cheese but didn’t stop them

anyway i hope this is the season that Schaeffer wakes up

[mortal flame]

violently shakes/slaps Shaeffer in face Wake up soldier, the world needs you.”

But like… what does Shaeffer actual know though? Natalia must at least know Shaeffer only knows a very tiny piece of what she’s done in other states around the time he went under

[waxen sonnet]

Watch him wake up for the DLC Just to be killed off in the process of the Climax DLC Mission

[glad spruce]

Something tells me that Schaeffer had already made peace with the Grim Reaper before we confronted him in Coney Island.

[mortal flame]

So is the reason why Shaeffer is the way he is is because we shot him too many times or did he shoot himself?

[sick lantern]

…why would he shoot himself 😭

he meant to be captured, not put into a coma

[mortal flame]

well… I kept seeing it in chat here

and to a guess deny/delay access to the information he has, he’s taking a nice beauty sleep all the characters in the Division universe need

Maybe if everyone got their 8 hrs of sleep, we could all be friends and negotiate the state of the Division world

[waxen sonnet]

He's been in a Coma since we gave him major trauma injuries (Gunshots and blast wounds)

[mortal flame]

Rebuild like IRL 2019-20

[mortal flame]

Not to mention many 50 Cal to the face

[sudden mortar]

Not to mention the white phosphorus burns from my eclipse build

[mortal flame]

Well have a great Super Bowl Sunday everyone. Hopefully the Ads are not as riot worthy as I hear

[mortal flame]

How’d he survive that?

[glad spruce]

Ahhh, not this again

[sudden mortar]

Writers script of course

[mortal flame]

Guess I’ll leave

[glad spruce]

Story /=/ Gameplay

If the story dictated Schaeffer went into a coma after suffering injuries regardless whether peppered him with 50 cal or Eclipse nonsense in the gameplay, then Schaeffer is in a coma. Non-negotiable

[wicked gorge]

You can’t escape Hawkster

[mortal flame]

rolls across the White House floor to Keener’s “bunker” “ so hey… how’s it going”

[glad spruce]

Bunker? More like a prison cell. Huehuehue

[wicked gorge]

Technically it’s a panic room

[mortal flame]

“Is that an EMP device you have in your hand Keener? They didn’t body cavity search you before putting you in here? Oh well”

power goes out, Shaeffer dies, Keener’s rogues invade and take over White House Keener points Magnum at agent’s head “Now I’m the Captain now”

[glad spruce]

Are you done with your fan-fic?

[wicked gorge]

You think we’ll see eclipse again Hawkster or you think they’re just done with the whole bioweapon thing

[glad spruce]

We only see them once in Compromised which is a few months away from the current timeline.

But I think that chapter has already closed in the game.

[sudden mortar]

We are probably done, green poison and DC-62 are not even mentioned anymore by the characters

[glad spruce]

Why do some players want a return to Green Poison being a threat back in Div 1, I have no idea.

[mortal flame]

Didn’t they voice actor the main character from the books in a comm or they name dropped her?

[glad spruce]

Maira Kanhai? They name dropped her twice in Year 5 comms

[mortal flame]

Wasn’t our idea… it was Keener

[wicked gorge]

Cause I think ppl miss how the division was focus on a bioweapon plot and society’s collapse instead of the political power struggle it’s become

[glad spruce]

No, I'm just being cheeky where people throw complaints about the Division's atmosphere not fun anymore cuz Green Poison is no longer a threat

[mortal flame]

anyway a bot in the official Breakpoint server is trying to give out “free” steam cards. The mods there aren’t doing anything.. yet

[sudden mortar]

How is this related to division story?

[mortal flame]

Nah… I just came from there…. Spewing lore

[wicked gorge]

I kinda figured but it feels poorly wrapped up for me, idk if i missed something but it feels like the plot line just vanished

[mortal flame]

the only thing I remember about DC 62 was that Echo (first mission into the DC DZ) where they had to leave a man behind, but the Bios for all of them say they all died anyway

[glad spruce]

DC-62 was a poor and unwise attempt to slow down the spread of Green Poison. Not to mention True Sons used it to decimate the Castle Settlement before we rebuilt it.

Therefore, it deserves to be forgotten

[mortal flame]

always brings me to tears these echos

[mortal flame]

Remember the agent from the book did that exact thing to the True sons

[sudden mortar]

At least BT was trying to repurpose DC-62 into a proper chemical weapon if we didn't stop them at Jefferson plaza.

[glad spruce]

Rowan O'Shea? Yeah, I remember

[mortal flame]

And that’s a good thing how?

[wicked gorge]

Then I got bombed by DC-62 mortar shells during the JTC manhunt

We stopped them from creating a chemical weapons

[glad spruce]

They still had reserves

[mortal flame]

who makes a chemical weapon to stop a chemical weapon

looks at WW1 oh

[wicked gorge]

Reserves or Dc-62?

[glad spruce]

I meant, they still had reserves of DC-62 in case they needed it. Hence how Captain Lewis used it back in JTC

[wicked gorge]

You talking about the true sons or black tusk? My brain isn’t fully awake atm

[glad spruce]

True Sons

[wicked gorge]

Okay, I should of worded my comment better but I was talking to RC about why it’s a good thing we stopped the BT at Jefferson Plazza

[glad spruce]

Yeah, Black Tusk weaponizing DC-62 wasn't a good thing, so it's a good thing we put an end to that.

[wicked gorge]

Well they have access to it now since Anderson lacks the spine most people have, i do understand why he made an alliance with the Black Tusk but still makes him a coward

[tepid ibex]

So ever since Keener had actually been in kahoots with Theo the whole time. How come Conley, Kajika and Dragov were excluded? Were those 3 really just the pawns/puppets?

[glad spruce]

Conley helped Keener and Theo out by telling them about the simulation program months before the events of WONY. And we know how that domino went

[sudden mortar]

Mostly puppets these three
Conley was a pyromaniac, she only knew things because she worked with a contract on Ortiz Robotics™ that's how she knew about ANNA and the simulation but she was kinda crazy anyways.

Kajika just wanted revenge on the JTF that abandoned him in a combat zone. He even said himself: my fight was never with the division so I doubt he would help Keener because of all of the BT and Cal plans.

And Dragov was just lucky to be chosen to become a SHD agent before he went rogue and started all of a crime syndicate with the rikers

Anyways, if there is gonna be an update/ server maintenance before the manhunt being available, I'm not gonna touch this server until I complete the climax mission.

[tepid ibex]

All too volatile for Keener’s long term plans. Squeezed them for they’re worth. Lowkey feel for Dragov and his “family”

[glad spruce]

Likewise

[radiant summit]

I forgot this channel exists derp

[tepid ibex]

@radiant summit I never agreed with the “White Tusk” thing. Devs said on their old poscast that Black Tusk would be getting Ex-LMB Rushers and Ex-LMB Support (Station) guys. But it wasnt just exclusive for LMB to canonically only being in Legendarys.

[radiant summit]

Honestly LMB vets should of been unique units, like they wear BTSU uniforms but have their old patches and mix of their old equipment to stand out

Made them a real threat

Like these guys survived the first game they're veterans

Likely even had runs in with the first game's "protagonist"

[near totem]

I dont think LMB veterans are very loyal to their cause

Most of them are PMCs that looked for easy money

And now they are looking for easy survival

[radiant summit]

True, though at this point money isn't worth anything really

[sudden mortar]

We're in a destroyed world, loyalty to a cause I think it's the least to worry about.

[radiant summit]

Well that and it's infected

[near totem]

Ofc some of them belived in Bliss but i think they died out after we destroyed their Beautiful APC

[radiant summit]

Staying in the most organised and well equipped group would be the smartest choice for survival

[near totem]

Yeah thats why some went to JTF and the others to BT. They do rather be with their enemies than starve to death in the streets of NY

[radiant summit]

Where was it mentioned LMB joined the JTF? I might of heard it mentioned once somewhere but I only know of Black Tusk recruiting remnants for their special forces units

[tepid ibex]

Well, the only other options being Cleaners or Rikers… yeah I’d probably go BT or JTF too

[tepid ibex]

WONY animated trailer, the pic i replied to in divashion

[sudden mortar]

One of WONY trailers show LMB soldiers using LMB gear but with JTF colors and symbol.