division-universe

[torn shoal]

rofl

[wicked gorge]

I don’t know what that means

[ornate gull]

Roll on floor laugh

[torn shoal]

if you want a good insight about this, check paul rodhes

and all his speech about authorianism in div 1 especially

[wicked gorge]

Thank you mayo

[torn shoal]

he is clearly stating agents are not to be trusted

[sick lantern]

oh but the president, totally trustworthy

[torn shoal]

aswell as the gov

[wicked gorge]

Well, we’re given executive authority and don’t answer to no one except the president

[torn shoal]

yes, thats called a no no word we cant talk about in here

cause politics

[wicked gorge]

And when the president goes rogue, the division doesn’t have any power checks besides Isacs messed up algorithms

[torn shoal]

how can president be considered rogue tho

im not saying like "is he really bad"

[ornate gull]

"He is double agent"

[torn shoal]

but how do you prove, within the legal system, he is rogue

without stopping at his immunity

thats the point of rhodes, he is left unchecked

he can do whatever he wants

and there is nothing stopping him legally

[wicked gorge]

Nah

[sick lantern]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment

if Watergate was grounds for concern, the President working with a Russian backed PMC who are actively invading the country would be just 🤯

[wicked gorge]

Well the president of the United States is supposed to serve the people of the country, when the president sides with a non US PMC that invades the United States, gives them medication that could stop the poison, and doesn’t even try to stop black tusk from executing US citizens and invading nation landmarks is considered treason against the United States

Thank for the vote of confidence Webkins

[torn shoal]

is supposed
yeah, thats the pb right here
you'll find out if you check history book, in reality it was never the case, they only acted for themselves

the us is famously known for that

[wicked gorge]

Okay and before the United States was born, what nations did that

[torn shoal]

did i say other nations were better ?

what im telling you is its bad everywhere, but its most clear in the us

cause its the country which has the most ressources, but still has no bizness helping its citizen

[wicked gorge]

My viewpoint makes it sound like your making the us the main problem

[torn shoal]

i mean, the entire game is set in the us, shd is homeland division

if the game was set in france id talk about france

[wicked gorge]

You mean the main mission being we have to climb the Eiffel Tower and the elevator doesn’t work

[ornate gull]

Talk about citizen

Why other nation not evacuated their citizen?

[torn shoal]

thats what stairs are for 👍

[wicked gorge]

Yep, time to climb over a thousand stairs

[sick lantern]

where to? somewhere just as bad as home?

[torn shoal]

its only like 1500 steps bro

just dont skip leg day

[wicked gorge]

A mix of lack of resources and chaos

[wicked gorge]

You understand a joke correct?

[torn shoal]

europe is doing better than the us in lore tho

[ornate gull]

Not about leg, just your lung

[torn shoal]

somebody skipped leg day

ok claptrap

skill issue

[wicked gorge]

The hell is that

[torn shoal]

wym the hell is that

[wicked gorge]

Claptrap

[torn shoal]

am i that old ?

are you that young ?

[wicked gorge]

Im in my twenties so you tell me

[torn shoal]

fk hell

[ornate gull]

@wicked gorge @torn shoal
ISAC: Warning, you are now leaving the safe area

[torn shoal]

u a bb

[torn shoal]

check bordelands series (not the 3 its bad)

[wicked gorge]

But I haven’t left the safe house yet

[torn shoal]

to me you havent left school yet

while im getting to retirement home

[ornate gull]

Safe area: lore room

[wicked gorge]

You right, overstepped

[torn shoal]

u from the us ?

[wicked gorge]

Yeah, but we go back to the lore now cause it lore channel

[wicked gorge]

I like your joke through, it was creative

[ornate gull]

When the joke are revelant, it alway creative

[torn shoal]

our lifes are a joke

[ornate gull]

Just like i say
Deploy Seeker Mine

[wicked gorge]

I still find it funny RND for the seeker mine lore bits discusses how it tracked down one of the workers cause he didn’t reset the tracking database

[ornate gull]

You mean he make himself test subject?

[wicked gorge]

Im playing red dead so I can’t look at the lore for it but the ending of the notes was it is now 0 days since a work accident

But about your question earlier about ISACs programming, it’s probably more complicated to fully reprogram his database

[ornate gull]

Aren't we have the programmer guy?

He should helpful enough

[wicked gorge]

Main nodes are throughout mid western america so that’s probably where all the programmers are

[ornate gull]

I see

[wicked gorge]

Isac is really our handler and like me and Lyfe were discussing about the inconsistencies earlier with it, it probably needs a lot of fine tuning to be effective

Since Ellis sided with black tusk and we’ve killed many tusk, it’s safe to say ISACs already marked Ellis rogue and no one has become president so we’re kinda in the wind atm

[torn shoal]

i dont think the goal is to be effective tho

same as most of military stuff

goal is to sell

[wicked gorge]

As efficient ISAC is, it still keeps track of our actions and decides if they’re good or not

[ornate gull]

I been wondering

Are hideout in LZ of Survival was made by JTF or Agent?

Since some of them are once belong to faction boss of bounty side quest

[wicked gorge]

Wdym LZ?

Nvm I figured it out and probably both

[wicked gorge]

Some of the hideouts are probably a mix of new interiors and reused assets

[sleek plover]

Whats with the lore behind Outcast Redeemed apparel?

Is it actually for Outcast turncoats?

[torn shoal]

No lore behind cosmetics afaik

Or very little

[wicked gorge]

An outcast that said nah you guys are too crazy and redeemed himself

[gaunt ice]

its not like outcast outfit are some sort of ultra rare uniform

[tepid ibex]

Fr im wondering that too. And wheres that ‘LMB Redeemed’ outfit, Ubi? Im tryna rep them armbands againnnnn.

[glad spruce]

Not really

[sleek plover]

Nah, you guys still getting itch powder and faulty AC pranks in ur barracks

[tepid ibex]

Keep seething, Rioter

[sleek plover]

gonna feed you korean spicy noodles as ur only ration options.

Mark my words, they are hellish

Also ur doing Keener's laundry duty.

[wicked gorge]

No, you are

[tepid ibex]

After you guys shine all his shoes

[wicked gorge]

So me and keener have been talking Jacob, well he’s been talking and I’ve been listening, we think your plotting against us

[sudden mortar]

At least we didn't lose Alex

[sleek plover]

Alright extra cold ac for u

[waxen sonnet]

"I've just realised, Im in a god damn Cult here"

Camera pans

Yep, thats me, you're probably wondering how I-

[wicked gorge]

“Who the hell are you talking to” the random outcast says

[waxen sonnet]

Tbh though Outcasts are so fanatical with such short lifespans due to there tactics the idea of one seeking redemption is very difficult

[sick lantern]

would be an interesting character

[wicked gorge]

If they didn’t escape then they would definitely be killed

[near totem]

I think Outcasts work kinda like the Reborn from the Crossroads series

Some of them have the guns and fight when the others grow gardens

And propably one of the workers realised the whole "revenge" thing is fake

Or he didnt want to be a part of the cult anymore when they told him to put a bomb on his chest and run into a guy with full body armor and a minigun

[wicked gorge]

I think the outcast are more “you didn’t do anything to us so that’s your problem” type of people

[glad spruce]

I think if it were any other person who took control, things could've gone different with the Outcasts

All a faction needs is a charismatic and decisive leader, and they'll follow em to the deepest depths of hell

[torn shoal]

i dont think any other person would matter, they were all filled with rage, anger, and the disgusting feeling of betrayal

anyone would just have got them to spread chaos

in a different way maybe but same ideology

[glad spruce]

That's true

[wicked gorge]

Outcast could have been pretty chill but a vengeful leader took charge

[glad spruce]

Oh, just a reminder, we'll have Descent comm 71 this Tuesday

[wicked gorge]

Can’t wait for the ending saga of Donovan Towers and his wild adventures

[ornate gull]

In memory of Bliss

As well ferro

[glad spruce]

Doing comm transcripts from the last few seasons helps passing the time while waiting for new Descent comms.

[torn shoal]

they werent "chill"

they were really pissed, but didnt know what to do

emeline just decided to funnel that rage into something

[torn shoal]

all leaders in div 1 were charismatic

barret aswell

in div 2, its hit and miss, emeline def is, anderson.... not so much

hyenas dont have a single leader, just a council, that we dont know anything about

and nat isnt really charimatic, she is def playing the rich girl sending men to die but refuse to break her nail vibe

even during the saving hostage manhunt coms we got coms saying nat was adored by her troops, and they were def willing to die for her, but it doesnt match her personnality ingame

idk, something is missing

everything she does is a move to get more power, where other factions were for an ideology i guess

other factions didnt care about getting more power, they wanted to do their stuff

and even if its bad stuff to do, its still like respectable to die for your ideals

i dont think nat would do that

but then, i also remember we dont have much intel about her, maybe that will change in the future

i love complex vilains and when they have an ideology that is messed up but that make sense for their character/universe

like, not that stupid thanos in marvel

more like joker in the first movie

[tepid ibex]

Real ones

[wicked gorge]

I didn’t follow him for his inspiration, i followed him for his dedication to radio talk shows

[wicked gorge]

Im talking for a more sense of cults, a lot of members are definitely broken and having a leader that funneled that rage toward innocent people, i agree their would be people that would attack people but if someone who had a healthier vision took power then the outcast could of been avoided

[torn shoal]

What healthy vision woukd have got out of this situation tho ?

They were just a product of bad management by the gov

This is fiction so obviously stuff gonna go bad for the plot to exist, but let's be réal, if this happenned in réal life, stuff would def go réal bad, just not as spectacular

[wicked gorge]

I mean the government tried to control the quarantine, Ridgeway went awol and stole everything that was sent for the outcast

[torn shoal]

its more than this, they were left to die and nobody cared about them

the gov, the army, the jtf, even other civilians

manny is cute and all but he isnt a good person

he is just what we have left that look like a leader but he cant lead anything

any mission he lead ends in failure for his troops

only agents got the job done

and instead of saying "maybe im not fit for this" he just keeps on going

[cold bramble]

Do we have any lore of what happened to all the politicians during the outbreak? I know we about a few

[glad spruce]

Aside from them taking shelter in bunkers like Raven Rock? Not a lot

[cold bramble]

Thanks

[cold bramble]

Is there a translation for the code on the washington monument and the one on the mural in Downtown east (I think)

[wicked gorge]

Iirc they were Easter egg steps to spawn secret hunters to get mask

[wild lotus]

I’ve talked about outcasts in this channel before specifically about this kind of stuff. Pretty sure it’s agreed that irl the rage and culty stuff would persist but there’s no way it would last

How many people do you think were on that island, that survived to join, I know recruiting outsiders is basically never gonna happen. In an Irl scenario the outsiders would basically be like a terrorist group that dies to its own needs

They probably would’ve never expanded past the quarantine after the agents got a hand on things

[torn shoal]

Same thing as rikers, there are millions we killed in the street, but the prison doesn't have that much capacity
It's just pure fiction
But if they survived, they def would be mad af, even culty, but they wouldnt be fighting like in game same as most other factions

Like cleaners are fanatics too, but they would die down pretty fast too, people have families to care for, they get sick too, etc, same. rikers, hyenas, true sons etc

Even pmc would have à hard time cause they would be too focused on survival not talking power

[ornate gull]

Are Agent vendor in NYC DZ Safehouse/Checkpoint are second wave?

[glad spruce]

Hey, so I have a gym session coming up in an hour or so.

So my summary for this week's Descent comm will come later

Apologies for the inconvenience

[torn shoal]

everyone in the first wave is dead or rogue, so yes

[torn shoal]

burn hawkster at the stake, thats the only fitting punishment for that

how dare you think about your health

[glad spruce]

😔

[sleek plover]

We, the sacred esoteric order of the Morbidly Obese, support this endeavor.

[wild lotus]

Now that you mention these guys it definitely changed my opinion on the outcasts. I completely forgot about rikers. But the only thing I can think of is that the rikers would turn into a bandit/raider faction, so their numbers replenish regularly by scum citizens. And cleaners have a vision that is actually pretty sound all things considered. I imagine they get volunteers often. The LMB is kinda screwed though. In the division 2 didn’t they actually die out

I swear in the warlords of ny they are just scavengers. Unless my brain is making things up

[torn shoal]

people dont volonteer to die for random criminals

not in droves that they would need for thoses factions

people just try to survive

its weirdly not common knowledge, but most people are pretty chill and dont want to hurt others

not everyone is out there to get you

despite what most insane doom preppers and other crazies will tell you

most people would create communities to help each others

but its less fun in a looter shooter to depict that i guess

some people def will try to do that, but there is really not that that many of them

also most of them would cave instantly if threatened to die

[sleek plover]

Also note that warlords of factions propaganda and the settlement propaganda also speaks of them having enough food

[sleek plover]

The reason I started div 2 qas becasue I hated LMB and they didnt die out for good in div 1. I hope they have actual lore relevany version of LMB remnants in the next dlc so I can make them suffer

[torn shoal]

"hey guys come die for me promise im not lying when i tell you you're gonna live a good life"

what could go wrong

[wild lotus]

I mean think of the fallout raiders

Promise of security shelter and stuff and loot from other people could be enough to attract people

I think the bottom line is the current world population isn’t high enough for any of the activities we agents get into

Pretty sure we have collectively killed off all of America

[wild lotus]

Lol I think they’re just zombies walking around trying to survive at this point, if they haven’t deserted

[torn shoal]

fallout isnt set in the real world, its an alternate fiction where everyone is greedy af cause capitalism

so greedy they ended the world for shareholders

[wild lotus]

But raiders aren’t capitalists

Just evil

[torn shoal]

they are capitalists, the whole world and everyone is

thats the point of fallout

its a harsh critic of capitalism at its core

[wild lotus]

I think you under estimate the greed of people, especially in a survival scenario where SHD agents exist

I know I’d want my hands on SHD tech

[torn shoal]

i think history is on my side, people in emergency situation always helped each others unless/until a power in place forced them to fight each others

any natural catasptrophe showed it : people help each others

and the police/army only made it worse

[wild lotus]

To be fair that’s the survivors in the division

[torn shoal]

yeah as i said, division/fallout/etc are fictions, not real world

[wild lotus]

Like those people exist

[torn shoal]

thoses people exist but arent that many

[wild lotus]

But also yk rikers and cleaners exist too

[torn shoal]

not in real life thats my point

[wild lotus]

I think what sums it up perfectly is the intro cinematic where it says do you own a gun? Does your neighbor?

[torn shoal]

yeah, its paranoia

[wild lotus]

Many problems could be caused simply out of being a non equal in power

But that’s not my point really

[glad spruce]

Anyways, I finished my gym session and will be off this channel till I get this week's Descent comm

[waxen sonnet]

Hawkster is now built different and ready to smack a Descent nemisis with his Protein shake

[sick lantern]

(some of?) the White Tusk are LMB

[sick lantern]

the LMB were shown seemingly recruiting JTF into their ranks
I can only imagine they’re fine with JTF and other services/military joining if they’re up to it

[sleek plover]

Most of them join black tusks. But I will gladly and happily retire this game once I see them all pathetic, begging for mercy and saying they were just following orders than i can incendiary nade them

[ashen jungle]

Ahem.

[wicked gorge]

I wouldn’t say recruit, more of held a gun to their head and said your one of us now

[glad spruce]

Okay, after this Nemesis run, I'll never doubt Bullet Hell ever again.

New week, new Descent comm. Log 71 titled MIT.

||Donovan Tower calls up to Agent Mackenzie Reed and her team in MIT, venting his frustrations with all the organizations he's been calling for help giving him teh finger. Reed tells Tower to calm down, but he vents even more calling DCD useless and Ann Arbor incompetent in addition to having to take charge of his team after Agent Wendy Wright dies from the mutated Green Poison||

||Donovan tells Reed if he and his team don't get what they need, steps will have to be taken. Reed was curious what he meant, but Donovan asks her if MIT are close to finishing the BSAV. Reed says no, which upsets him and feeling that Reed is giving him the finger. Reed emphasizes that she wishes she could Donovan and his team, but MIT's BSAV work is not ready yet||

||Mackenzie Reed hangs up the call, then Donovan Tower yells the f-bomb out in frustration||

[tepid ibex]

There was an old SoTG podcast where they said the support station guys and rushers were LMB recruits. Not exclusively just legendary BT.

[sick lantern]

that’s also true

[ornate gull]

Yeah, their loud speaker even say Civilians complied to any LMB demand

[wicked gorge]

Some joined the Jtf and division, some joined bt, and some just joined different factions

[tepid ibex]

"Please comply with any requests from an LMB soldier, the life you save may be your own." To be exact

[true fox]

what a horrible situation.

[gaunt ice]

this was at the start of the outbreak afaik

when Bliss hasn’t really committed to the dictator act yet

so its more like asking for cooperation than “do this or we’ll kill you”

[sleek plover]

basically its press gang

[gaunt ice]

he kinda went insane a bit after it went to hell

like the guy in the opening said:”we’re not trained for this”

[sleek plover]

Cmd. Fonti's Squad An LMB officer is pressganging civilians into a suicide squad.
Commander Fonti

[gaunt ice]

and no in that particular context they weren’t pressuring people into joining the LMB

they were telling them to basically report any sick person and comply with quarantine procedures

tldr they were nice before

and no,later on they didn’t coerce civilians into their ranks since you know
they’re civilians
they do have them in camps with food n water which sounds nice until they start executing people for taking too much water

[ashen jungle]

That is the design of the best post-apocalypse villains. Bad times make you a bad person, but there has to be something in there before it starts off.

[gaunt ice]

personally i don’t see a “bad” thing in LMB prior to them going full evil im ngl

maybe im missing something

[ashen jungle]

Look up the history of PMC's and how they typically act. You don't really need a "bad thing" for them, they're straight up IRL villains already.

It's the reason games keep going with them as villains. They're uncomplicated.

[gaunt ice]

i know the Blackwater stuff

im just saying that they dont seem THAT bad when they first started out

[ashen jungle]

I'm sure we'll find out when they inevitably return that they secretly helped Sokolova kick this whole thing off.

[gaunt ice]

honestly this kinda reminds me of why black tusk being a PMC is weird
they have more resources than some actual armies out there

like when was the last time you see a PMC with their own hovercraft

thats like Blackwater owning a fleet

[ashen jungle]

Well, a lot of PMC's do actually take over army duties, it's not just little stuff.
And a lot of the stuff they have now, I hold that they stole it from the DAPRA labs, but also: there's no other major force left, so they can use what they like.

Think of it as a kind of "well no one else has it, we may as well".

[gaunt ice]

true but we do know that they were mobilized to prepare for the outbreak and collapse of society

so they have some sort of massive resources beforehand

[ashen jungle]

Oligarch stuff that touches way too close to IRL things for me to let fly on here.

[gaunt ice]

fair nuf

[ashen jungle]

It will be interesting to see what direction they take, whether they go the "sokolova as arch villain" route, or change things up and make a new villain.

I think it's a safe bet that she'll stick around until at least the DLC.

[gaunt ice]

i feel like the way its set up she’s the secondary villain to Ronald McManus over here

she has the resources but McDonalds has the hunters

wouldn’t be a stretch to say he’d throw her out and take over BT

[ashen jungle]

I disagree on McManus having that future, it honestly feels like he's going to be the one that gets killed off and Sokolova sticks around.

[waxen sonnet]

Sir its a group of Hunters let's not forget what they do to the average Agent

Straight up Instant karma if ya ask me.

[waxen sonnet]

Both Die Imo, Mcmanus tries to make a power move against Sokolova, gets stabbed in the back by his own Hunters and Betrayed, only for the Sheriff to Kill Sokolova and the last few hunters.

Or at least thats my running theory of the finale

[sleek plover]

Than the green poison virus evolves itself to a sentient creature and turns into green man. Which they declare war against mankind

[torn shoal]

pmc are ingame and irl vilains cause they are the personnification of evil

any army that has "moral standards" (whatever that mean) just delegate pmc to do the dirty work and then act all surprised when they mess up

and then they can ride their high horse saying "dw next time we'll get a better pmc"

but like

not a single pmc in the world has done anything good, like ever

they are bound by baiscally no law therefore they are litteral vilains that do whatever they want

and govs dont complain cause they get their dirty work done for them

black tusk and lmb are just the next step if gov fall

they will step in and take everything by force

cause they can and morality doesnt even come close to existing in their world view

if you watch any movie with a vilain with a vilain army, unless they lead a vilain country army, its a pmc

pmc arent good, and by design, cannot be good, ever

[tepid ibex]

Just because they are apparently bound by no law, does not make them evil. Everyone that exists is bound by laws/rules. It's breaking those laws/rules that makes people evil.

[torn shoal]

not everyone is bound by laws

and my point is, thoses who arent, ALWAYS proved to be evil

case and point : ellis

bound by no law, he is as powerful as anyone can be in the world, decided to betray everyone for more power, even isac couldnt allow a kill order

[sleek plover]

Good and evil is more than just laws imo.

[torn shoal]

obviously, but we try to make laws so that people bahve right

there are evil laws for sure, but they arent here to keep people in check, mostly cause evil people got into power and want more power

tons of laws have changed cause of public pressure on politicians

[wicked gorge]

Didn’t we already have a conversation about this Lyfe?

[glad spruce]

Yeah, many times

In any case, I finished writing down the comm transcripts for Season 10 (Price of Power) in the wiki

[gaunt ice]

yea Lyfe just applies his aggressive political view into everything and when people disagree with him he block them

yea trust me guys its batman's fault that gotham is riddled with crime

anyways

[gaunt ice]

they really take that long huh

hats off to you putting the effort into it

[wicked gorge]

Well me and him have a talk about it and we chill so im the chosen one

[glad spruce]

Yeah. I'm not looking forward to doing Descent. If I do them, of course

[wicked gorge]

How long are each transcripts?

[glad spruce]

Depends on each comm. Some can be short and some can be quite long it'll be like writing an essay

[wicked gorge]

Oh, your doing the whole season coms

[glad spruce]

Yes, I've finished Year 2 seasons comms and should be done with Year 4 seasons comms once I finish Season 11 comm transcripts

[torn shoal]

prob yeah, im bad at remembering things

[sudden mortar]

I think you should create a partnership with NGN on YouTube

[glad spruce]

Sure, but I'm just a simple dude with too much time on my hands doing transcripts for comms.

It depends on me bringing something new to the table. Also, I hate my voice.

[true fox]

Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Firewall

Can someone explain to me what this madness was?
The Division is mentioned in this book and some characters

[glad spruce]

I haven't read the novel. But from my understanding, The Division universe is in a very different continuity from the main Tom Clancy timeline

[true fox]

I know, that's why I wanted some opinion on this.
how crazy...

[wicked gorge]

You remember? You dm me and I beat you with all my facts

[torn shoal]

haha

i forgot i dmed you lmao

but yeah we saw things differently

[wicked gorge]

I saw your perspective and you gave evidence so it was civil

[slate cloak]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oA07O2HGwvmoBqm-UKTTuSdxjLnSIbRHd5b2FuYOph0/edit?tab=t.0
I'm wondering if the Division has a big lore doc detailing everything from the games to the merch

[waxen sonnet]

There's always those text to speech AI that are being used more an more for narration purposes, So you could always use that and make a division lore and theory's type channel

[glad spruce]

I'd rather not use those. I'd prefer using my voice even if it sounds awful on VC lol

[gaunt ice]

its a cool compromise

the internet is a dangerous place now

[glad spruce]

Yep

[wicked gorge]

Hawkster Ubisoft is gonna hire you for your work and dedication to the Division
As a comn writer

[glad spruce]

Well, I don't live in Sweden, so I don't know if that it'll work lol

Unless, of course Ubisoft MENA is gonna hire me to be a community writer for the Division.

[glad spruce]

Finished all Season 11 comm transcripts for the wiki

[torn shoal]

congratz

[wicked gorge]

I was gonna ask if Ubisoft was international but remember it’s massive we’re talking about

[glad spruce]

Yeah, I was talking about Massive.

Cuz if they do hire me, there's no doubt I'll have to move to Sweden lol

[wicked gorge]

I forgot they’re Swedish based

[fast wharf]

congratulations

[torn shoal]

ubisoft is french irrc

[wicked gorge]

I know one of the branches are

[sleek plover]

oui

[kind hare]

The Division is 100% a stand alone from within the other areas of the Clancy universe.

But if there was ever a multiverse - there is plenty of room in the timeline to expand on this with other titles. It just doesn't exist... yet.

[ashen jungle]

MSV changing when div is set a few times does seem to hint that at least initially, they might've intended to have it be canon with the rest.

[kind hare]

There is defintely an opening there that hints at a possible multiverse situation. But is just that for now.
Personally, I like that there is the possibility there in the future. It leads to so many things later on that may or may not happen

[ashen jungle]

I've always said that setting div in a kinda "not yet" timeline is the best way to go for future prospects. Since technology development basically stopped, there's very little that ties us down to a specific future date.

For those who've seen it (and you should watch it if you haven't), think Gattaca.

[kind hare]

It's absolutely set within a time that could work with so many other titles. But it would have to be long before any sort of Dollar Flu was released.

Well... maybe not "long before", but definitely before it

[ashen jungle]

Technically speaking a lot of the other games could be set during/around the same time, since the Green Poison took a minute to really get going.
Actually, there's a bit in the alternate "quick" ending to Far Cry 6 where you hear over the radio about an incoming pandemic, obviously meant to hint at Covid, but I could see it being stretched to be about Amhersts work instead.

There's not a whole lot of issues with the bulk of Tom Clancy games AFAIK, although I'm not that familiar with Siege's lore.

[kind hare]

I hate my voice too - maybe that will work? 😆

[glad spruce]

Yeah, it might xD

[kind hare]

We got this!

NGNster?

I dunno... it's getting late, I really need to eat 😅

[glad spruce]

Bon appetit

[waxen sonnet]

The Messiah has spoken

Also someone remind me cause tiny brain, I forgot how long before we get the new season/ storyline continuation

[wicked gorge]

2-3 weeks if im right

[torn shoal]

i love ngn voice

go voice that

[waxen sonnet]

Thank you

[glad spruce]

There's a Twitch Drop event happening from 29th October to 12th November, so it's possible that's where Y6S2 arrives between those dates

[wicked gorge]

We all support NGNster

[glad spruce]

Your enthusiasm is appreciated

[true fox]

right, I know that, well because I also watch your videos,
I just wanted to understand what the Division does there, like, mentioned...

"why ?" he understands? If anyone has or received a response from someone in the book.

[next hemlock]

I watched it, got the point you’re making

[kind hare]

To be fair, there is a very clear opening to the Clancy multiverse if it were ever to become a thing.

[gaunt ice]

in theory if it were to connect to the Clancyverse then surely Division has to be at the very end of the timeline right?

we still dont have a set year for the events of Division

[jovial geyser]

I wonder how Keener is alive because we the player put so many bullets in it could kill an elephant doesn’t matter if it’s nine mil or a 50 cal and how does he become a normal agent like he dies and his wrist watch isn’t red anymore or is it because we took his wristwatch because he still has a wrist watch, but it doesn’t shine orange or red and why would you want to help us after we almost killed him

[ashen jungle]

He died in a cutscene, and Kelso checked the body, so him I can stretch a little to believe.
the one that makes very little sense is Theo.

[jovial geyser]

No, I was checking the Tom Clancy‘s division Twitter account and it showed a cinematic of him waking up on some sort of surgery table when his wrist watch, glows orange and also did Kelso betray the division because I’ve heard from a few sources that said Kelso betrayed the division. I don’t know if it’s true or not.

Also who is Theo

[ashen jungle]

......

Theo is the other person in the van.

[jovial geyser]

Is he one of the manhunt targets in the war lord of New York DLC?

Because I haven’t played in a while and I forgot

[ashen jungle]

You should go replay the Kelso Manhunt, the cutscene explains a lot of what you're asking, but also yeah Kelso actually betraying us is up in the air right now.

Although I'm not sure what you're referring to with Keener on a table. I'm talking about the end of WONY cutscene where he just lays there and Kelso checks his pulse.

[jovial geyser]

Also, what do you mean by that is I was just scrolling through the official Tom Clancy’s division Twitter, and a video showed Keenan waking up on a table with a orange wristwatch, and then it showed him caring a briefcase with a orange diamond on it

[ashen jungle]

What Ubi added later on is separate from the actual cutscene, I guess they wanted to try and spell it out that he was still alive, but I can 100% confirm that they didn't resurrect him, as he was already living.

[jovial geyser]

OK then, but I’m still confused of how his wrist watch glowed orange instead of red because wasn’t he the first rogue agent?

[ashen jungle]

The lore right now is a bit swiss-cheese, but as info is filled in it'll become more solid again, I'm sure.

Next Season will help explain stuff, I'm almost certain of it.

[jovial geyser]

What I’m wondering is how do I access the Kelso manhunt mission because I get a notification when I log back into the game after I think a year and a half not being on it maybe even 2 1/2 years but it told me that Kelso manhunt tinker tanker I think that’s what it said in the notifications

Because all the other ones before the Kelso manhunt, we don’t have access to the Kelso manhunt, even though it said when I got back on the game after a while not playing it, I was able to access it

[ashen jungle]

Uh yeah, go to the NYC map and "stranded tanker", then toggle the mission type until the text is yellow and says "Manhunt".

[jovial geyser]

Ok

[kind hare]

But was it Keener that died?

This will all become much clearer when the full 104 Descent comms come out... plus other stuff.

And I no, I'm not aware of what is included within them. Just that the story is still growing from a past tense POV, and that we still have a lot to learn

[waxen sonnet]

I assume we're going to be explaining it around the fact that Keener used a higher tech version of the Hologram decoy's, likely Parnell's handiwork, and while Keener was in range for short wave radio communications and electronic warfare (hacking the marauder), he was never actually in the final fight.

Issues with that would be How a decoy could inflict physical injuries to an agent, so potentially something as simple as he set up the decoy and jumped into the water to hide under the jetty?

Perhaps with Keeners knowledge of Hunter's being far better than our own he's also access or reverse engineering of a Hunters smoke -cloak system that allowed him an moment or two of stealth

Honestly I don't know, theory's are there, but very far out in terms of believability at this moment

[lunar harbor]

Eh.

I feel like any theory not involving a physical body, Keener's or not - would be difficult to believe.

We physically interacted with his body on three occasions; to stop the "bleeding", to take his watch, then to evidently transport said body to a morgue/medical facility, as shown in the 'First Rogue' trailer.

Now, the trailer itself shows that it was Keener himself lying on that examination table, so either some switcheroo shenanigans happened mid-transport, or like the game is suggesting, their decoy tech/ketchup somehow managed to craft a realistic scenario for ISAC to accept.

Sure, we shot him a lot, but I guess we never actually "killed him" in the Story difficulty of the mission. His consistent usage of the Deflector Drone perhaps points in the direction that the so-thought kill shots that our agent inflicted on him were actually tanked by deflector technology, then the death scenario itself was constructed through decoy technology.

But really, who knows until we get more comms.

[gaunt ice]

im sorry thats just cope

he faked his death and we're too stupid to bag n tag

thats the only explanation

because even if he took some miracle drug to not have pulse for a while, you always bag someone

[waxen sonnet]

And yet we have to accept something silly, that guy took hundreds of bullets, in any way other than the plot he's bloody dead after like, 5. yet here he is.

[gaunt ice]

thats a gameplay thing

[waxen sonnet]

How is it, The guys clearly back after what should've been fatal injuries otherwise without a reason? There needs to be a believable reason, that's Just common sense.

[gaunt ice]

well he seems to only be shot once in the ctuscene

hence the bleeding by the belly

lets just say he has a vest or fake blood idk that can be believable to some degree

what im talking about is how apparently 2 trained agents just left his body there because the watch just says "yup he's totally dead"

[ashen jungle]

Is it stated anywhere that Kelso wasn't already working with him at that point?

because gut wounds take a while.

[gaunt ice]

nope but there's nothing to suggest the other way

infact y5s3 is basically her following his breadcrumbs, then convinced by his cause to join him

so it is more likely that she didn't side with Keener there

[ashen jungle]

So if there's nothing to say she wasn't, then the implication is clearly that she was working with him and helped him fake it, which is why she checked the pulse and even crashed the boat and didn't help in the final fight.

[gaunt ice]

thats a big stretch given what i just said:she had to be convinced in y5s3

[ashen jungle]

Who said that wasn't theatre during her own Manhunt?

[gaunt ice]

can you paraphrase that

oh wait nvm i get what you said now

there was nothing in wony that would suggest her siding with him back then

[ashen jungle]

Of course I assume it's altered canon, but if we have to make it fit, then we make it fit.

I'm an old hat at WF lore, this stuff is standard.

[gaunt ice]

afaik warframe dont have that much retcon, if any

[ashen jungle]

hahahahaha

[gaunt ice]

but that aside i guess we can cope

[full pulsar]

an unannounced retcon seems like its usually the answer to mysteries like this

[ashen jungle]

pull the other one, it's got bells on.

cough the entire power structure of BT cough

[gaunt ice]

personally i'd just kick his ass down the water

if he survives that yea mb

but that would mean him swimming to land with a hole in his lower half

its just really hard to sell it without people looking at it as a lame retcon im ngl

if we didn't see his body then maybe

[ashen jungle]

I mean, we can just assume Keener waited on the island and we walked off, too distracted by Lau being undercover.

Keener being alive is a stretch, but he cutscene died, which is always up for debate.
Theo on the other hand.

[gaunt ice]

i actually find Theo coming back to be more believable

[full pulsar]

"somehow keener returned"

[gaunt ice]

his entire stitch is that he can fake his identity on the database so even if we pull his coprse back we would not be able to confirm it if he wanted to

the entire fight is him spamming decoys

he is more likely to fake his death than Keener just because its an established thing in that mission

[ashen jungle]

There is a direct line at the tail-end of the Theo mission, where the team talk about how they 100% have sorted out Theo's disguise stuff and they know it's him now.

[gaunt ice]

(they did not )

[ashen jungle]

(replay it)

oh you mean the game forgot, yeah totally

[gaunt ice]

for a sec i thought you cant see thru sarcasm

its a more believable thing to retcon imo
"we sorted his fake id thing out" spoilers:they did not, its also a much more minor retcon over a line than an entire cutscene of a major villain's death

and Theo would be a more interesting character to delve into since he seems more redeemable than mister mass murderer

he's the one that brought up the deep conspiracy thing, Keener just used it to bait him into working with him and left him out dry once he's done

[ashen jungle]

Every time I see that emote, it just looks like one of the people at RLM and I get confused.

[gaunt ice]

whats RLM

[ashen jungle]

redlettermedia, old youtube channel.

[gaunt ice]

actually whats the origin behind

i still dont know why we have this

[full pulsar]

i assumed it just meant that you were very pleased with yourself about the hilarious thing you just wrote

[gaunt ice]

yea but like who's the guy in that emote
and thats like the only emote that doesn't seem division themed

[full pulsar]

petter

[ashen jungle]

I assume it was a div1 dev, but I'm not really clued in to the clique stuff.

[gaunt ice]

looks like a long standing thing ig

[tepid ibex]

It’s not even a fake id thing sometimes. Characters like Hornet can come back from the dead as long as a main character comes and ‘revives’ them. Could literally unload a mag into the guys (apparent) lifeless body at the end of Russian Consulate only for Keener to display miraculous surgical capabilities for him in TD2.

Must’ve messed with his vocal cords to

[gaunt ice]

i know

trust me i know

[glad spruce]

I'll be real, Hornet sounded too generic in Division 1

[gaunt ice]

well that was because he was never meant to be more than a generic grunt

until they made reviver hive canon that is

or revive lunchbox

i forgot the variant name

i just use the final version that is all 3 of them combined but slightly weaker iirc

[waxen sonnet]

"10% of a study of 277 Gunshot wounds showed lethality are a result of the gunshots themselves, with a higher fatality risk as a result of post injury infections"

Yeah my man Mighta lived but then died of Sepsis

[gaunt ice]

nanomachine son

[waxen sonnet]

I dunno man, The Divisions the only sortta grounded non-OTT medical science, Minus the hive cause uh, ** knows how that works

[gaunt ice]

the tardigrade implies that nanomachines do exist to a certain degree

the talent is literally called "ablative nano-plating"

[waxen sonnet]

Yeah, and I think the hives mention it

[sick lantern]

#td1-general
to answer your questions anyway: yes, yes, no

[waxen sonnet]

If we get Proximity alerts through ISAC Warning of Rogue Agents Detected, does ANNA counter alert Rogue agents an SHD Agent is nearby 🤔

[glad spruce]

It's possible. She seems fond of Rogue Agents

[waxen sonnet]

I get the impression as both systems can "talk" with each other, if they both can detect each other im sure they alert there respective people at the same time

I just dont recall it ever being mentioned?

[sudden mortar]

That is correct agent, Any agent that aligns with Calvin McManus ideals, will be targeted as rogue, and must be exterminated.

[glad spruce]

IIRC, during Y6S1 climax mission, ANNA attempts to do hostile detected proximity alert, but left it to delegate that to ISAC

[waxen sonnet]

Yeah, I was more thinking of an Example of a Rogue agent being alerted of a Loyalist Agents Proximity by ANNA

[sudden mortar]

I don't know if it's meant to be this way but this mission is the only time ISAC says "decoy detected". He doesn't say it in the DZ or during the Theo Parnell mission.

[waxen sonnet]

ISAC Struggles to operate in the DZ's, especially invaded, so it could be whatever's degrading his performance could limit his systems detection algorithims

[storm axle]

Guys guys

When I play division 1 I sometimes hear jet sounds but i never saw them

I'm just curious how could use them

Black tusk? Jtf?

[waxen sonnet]

It's likely to be JTF, We know the USAF still operates some military tier helicopter such as the V22 Osprey to do such roles as DZ Drops and Washington Supply and New York drops in the Division 2

[sudden mortar]

The BT also uses a UAV drone to hit you in the beginning of the view point museum (invaded)

[tall prism]

Hope fully we get to see kelso this season, we need real answers. On whether she was with him the whole time or what

[waxen sonnet]

True, though he regards division 1 not 2, of which I think only had small news choppers and helicopters in that one.

Blackhawk helicopters*

[storm axle]

Btw

Why president didn't used military when situation was critical?

I know about constitution and shit

But

At this time no one cared about laws anyway

Btw

Why JTF dont help us with missions

They really think that one person cant kill 100 other people and then kill their leader

This game has a lot of plot holes

Or something like that

[sudden mortar]

It's called gameplay aspect

[storm axle]

Ok

But i have better question

Why JTF dont take over places after missions

[sick lantern]

you actually can see them (Ospreys delivering supply drops), when you look in the right spot of the sky.

[sick lantern]

the National Guard is literally the military.

[storm axle]

Yes

But no

Nationak guard is national guard and Us army is Us army

[sick lantern]

and the US Navy are present in the background in Div 1 as well

anyway plot wise: the armed forces were deployed and still failed to contain the situation, at which point it becomes a Directive 51 activation scenario

[storm axle]

Usa still have army, navy and air force but few people need to do entire job

[glad spruce]

Also, the US military got severely crippled by deaths by Green Poison and desertions

Not to mention, a number of people in the armed forces were recruited into the Black Tusk

[glad spruce]

You act like a weaponized virus that was aimed to kill 90% of human population isn't enough to also cripple the US military

[storm axle]

Btw

[sick lantern]

also that one gets shot down in Clear Sky

[glad spruce]

Let me guess, you're gonna yell plot hole

[storm axle]

Jtf is one of main and most powerfull factions in division universe

They have soldiers, police officers, firefighters

[glad spruce]

Used to be

[sick lantern]

i would say “most powerful” is certainly a variable

[glad spruce]

But with how things went down in the outbreak, they were severely crippled by the riots, virus, and hostile factions

[storm axle]

Its just funny to me that soldiers cant get rid off few dudes with flamethrowers

[glad spruce]

First off, you were talking about how the US military shouldn't've been crippled by the Green Poison. And now you're changing goalposts by talking about the JTF.

In which the two games emphasized over and over they were too stretched out to contain the chaos to the point that civilians decided to form up militias of their own.

[storm axle]

Jeez

I was talking about why president didnt used US ARMY when they started loosing control

Im pretty sure they still could maintain just one city

Without DZ

[glad spruce]

Jesus christ. Green Poison. Weaponized to kill 90% of human population. US Army suffered losses from chain to command, green poison, and mass desertions.

Things were bad enough that Directive 51 was activated. Ring any bells?

[storm axle]

But riots started at beginning of outbreak when army didnt had losses. Prez could do martial law on major cities and job would be partly done

[sick lantern]

yea just throw more bodies into the quarantine to get infected, that’ll fix it

[glad spruce]

^

Throwing bodies at the problem never have been an effective solution.

You're trying to look for holes where they aren't any

[storm axle]

Then

Why didnt they bombed major cities

[sick lantern]

and again
literally the National Guard and the Navy were both deployed

[glad spruce]

You're obsession with the US Arm is rather astounding, man.

[sick lantern]

💀

[storm axle]

What

Most of people there was dead anyways

Nah im just kidding

[glad spruce]

You think bombing a city a lot of people who are trying to survive and try to fix things would be all fine and dandy? God help me

[storm axle]

NAH IM JUST KIDDING

Btw

Lets talk about something else

About air force one

[sudden mortar]

Natalya sokolova would agree

[glad spruce]

More like Andrew Ellis xD

[storm axle]

Who and why shoot down Air Force One

[sick lantern]

True Sons did it

[storm axle]

But wasnt elis black Tusk guy?

Yes he was

[glad spruce]

Yes. After Air Force One crashed, Sokolova covertly had the Hyenas (Black Tusk were suppyling them) take Ellis as hostage while True Sons took the briefcase.

[storm axle]

Btw i have only 20 hours in divison 1 and 0 in division 2

[glad spruce]

In that case, I'd suggest you play Division 2 at your earliest convenience

[sudden mortar]

I Wonder how the two factions didn't meet after the crash.

[storm axle]

I hate division 1 bosses

[glad spruce]

More likely they did and did have a fight, and the True Sons didn't care enough to see the Hyenas took the President from the crash

[storm axle]

Btw

How someone let to Air Force One be shoot down

While flaying over capital city of USA

I know about posiona and shit

But still

[sudden mortar]

Agent Kiblowski, if you wanna keep up with the story, I recommend you to watch some videos on the NGN channel (YT)

[storm axle]

Oh no

He knows my name

[sudden mortar]

Your Steam profile isn't exactly private.

[storm axle]

I know

And I just said toilet in polish

Because kibel is toilet

Btw

[true fox]

@glad spruce

[glad spruce]

What is it?

[storm axle]

Should i complete first game and then play second

Or play both at the same time

[true fox]

Do you have all the Descent collectibles?

If not, I would like a favor from you,

[glad spruce]

71/72. Will have the last one tomorrow

[glad spruce]

Which is it?

If you're asking me to record the comm, there's a Youtube channel that records them and uploads them

[true fox]

I don't have them all, if I keep repeating the descent, will I continue to receive the communications I missed?
because they are not "trapped" by the weekly project

[true fox]

you have them all, okay
If not, you should test it too, repeating the descent after completing the last project

[glad spruce]

Well... if you're behind, the weekly project often gives out a lot of comms during the last weeks of a season

[glad spruce]

I tried that back in last season when I was behind. It doesn't work

[true fox]

yes

I hope it works this time, I'll test it tomorrow and let you know

[glad spruce]

Unless they give us a catch-up mechanic to allow us to farm the Nemesis to get the comms more faster than waiting every week for each in next season.

But who really knows.

[storm axle]

Hmm

What happended to us goverment

Most of them died but some still survived

Who is leader of JTF

Main leader

Not that nypd capitan

Is there any real leader of division

[wicked gorge]

Have you played any of the games?

[storm axle]

Yea

First one

And I have 20 hours

I know about that division leader that died at beginning of game

[wicked gorge]

Ahh newbie, well to answer your question

Most of the US government retreated to Federal bunkers or were killed

JTF doesn’t have a main leader and usually depends on sectors on who’s in charge, main example would be Benitez and if you wanna be technical Division agents

The only real leader to the Division is POTUS, but division agents are usually divided into cells with squad leaders

Agents are independent, they can commandeer equipment without questioning and don’t answer to anyone except the president so they don’t necessarily have a leader

Also welcome to the division

[storm axle]

I bought this game last year

Btw thanks for answers

[wicked gorge]

Well you said you had only 20 hours so I figured you were new

No problem, happy to help

[storm axle]

I got mad when i was doing first missions

I hate bosses in this game

How is it possible

[wicked gorge]

Well its an rpg

[storm axle]

That clreaner bosses are that big and full of equipment and still they are fast as i

[wicked gorge]

The second game they’re more like a tank

[storm axle]

and why their flamethrowers have range of my sniper

Ok

[wicked gorge]

Once again, RPG, the game isn’t realistic like ghost recon or splinter cell, everything is made to be somewhat bullet spongy

[storm axle]

They dont have that much range but still

I hate cleaners and i need help with koe

Joe

[wicked gorge]

Since your not on Xbox I can’t help you, but go to the div 1 general chat and ask their, most likely you’ll get some help

Also the main reason all the enemies are bullet spongy is cause of the legendary pink beanie that’s negates 90% bullet damage

[true fox]

Characters of Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Dragonfire

||Gordon Amherst, a disgruntled virologist with an apocalyptic vision for the future, involving bioterrorism and force human depopulation, but was shot dead by Fourth Echelon agent Isaac Briggs in an alley in Brooklyn before he could unleash his virus on the world.||

Trivia.
In an alternate timeline Gordon Amherst appeared in Tom Clancy's The Division, to which Gordon was able to carry out his bioterrorism act.
It is still not confirm by Ubisoft if the Splinter Cell is within The Division universe.

Ok...
This really sounds like it's a multiverse, but it would be good to have confirmations.

[storm axle]

Guys

Do you think how much people survived green flu

Vrius has 90% of death

And 5% is immune

Or something like that

And not everyone got infected

So

I think that 25% of humanity survived

[wicked gorge]

Well Amherst design green poison to spread before symptoms show and its lethality, while green poison has a 90% mortality rate, we don’t have an estimated number of confirmed infections and the chimera strain dies out after 6-7 months of no initial infection

We don’t know anyone who’s immune to green poison, all cases have been asymptomatic so they don’t show symptoms but can still spread the disease

[ember vector]

I always wondered if the JTF found a way to deal with bodies before the temperatures got warmer. Rick Valassi warned everybody on his podcast they could be a big problem when winter comes to an end.

[ashen jungle]

Well, the pre-collapse solution was massive corpse fires, so that's probably still the go-to method.

You can actually see some of them around the div2 NYC map.

[ember vector]

Rick Valassi agreed with the idea of burning dead bodies but at the time it also meant agreeing with the Cleaners and their brutal (but necessary?) methods. But yeah fair!

[ashen jungle]

The cleaners weren't the ones who came up with that idea. It was implemented by government officials before the real collapse took place.

It's actually a historically accurate way of disposing of plague victims, hence why it's included in this plague scenario.

Cleaners whole deal is burning out the virus by any means necessary, they won't wait until after you're dead. This is just cleaning up.

[sudden mortar]

Looks like Amherst spent years playing plague INC on Mega-brutal difficulty.

[ashen jungle]

Amherst used a trainer, he doesn't get the credit.

[glad spruce]

Last Descent comm of Y6S1. Log 72 titled DCD HQ.

||Donovan Tower checks back in with Harlan Lloyd to ask for live virus samples from DCD HQ so they can work on the BSAV. Harlan suggested using the infected, but Donovan emphasizes that the scientists are worried about the mutations and wanted clean samples from the original virus for the tests||

||Harlan tells Donovan that DCD HQ doesn't have the resources for that, and asked him if he checked with Ann Arbor. Donovan did, and they told him to check in with Harlan since they don't have any to spare. Harlan suggests the best way to have a steady stream of the same variant of the virus is to isolate an asymptomatic carrier and have them volunteer for regular blood donations||

||Donovan thanks for the help. Likewise, Harlan tells him to stay safe.||

[sudden mortar]

|| this volunteer probably is Emeline Shaw||

[glad spruce]

||Not really. Since those comms from Donovan and he was at Silver Creek.||

[sudden mortar]

||Harlan too?||

[glad spruce]

||Emeline Shaw wasn't the first nor the only asymptomatic carrier||

[glad spruce]

||Harlan was not in Silver Creek either as it pretty much establishes he was on DCD||

[sudden mortar]

Probably

[storm axle]

Guys

You thing how rest of the world looks after pandemic of green flu?

Better than US? Worse?

[torn shoal]

its said ingame that europe is doing better

[storm axle]

Btw i hope the division 3 will take place in Los Angeles (i hope its will come out)

[storm axle]

Good to know

[sick lantern]

https://youtu.be/YGkQ-LH0NLA?feature=shared

[wicked gorge]

I wanna see Lloyd’s descent into madness now since we know he joins the off brand cleaners

[waxen sonnet]

Specifically because of Socialised (National) Healthcare systems (Big up the NHS)

ZARA JEFFERS: Status update: Official report from the E.U. Despite political paralysis around committing people to quarantine, many European countries have weathered the outbreak well. Healthcare systems managed treatments, and they've shown a high rate of success in treating the symptoms.

BRIGADIER GENERAL GREENE: Sounds like a line of socialist bullshit.

ZARA JEFFERS: The numbers don't lie, sir. That said, the collapse of their trading partners has significantly impacted urban centers with service economies.

[waxen sonnet]

Best nation in the world who handled it was Japan:

ZARA JEFFERS: Status update: Immediate quarantines set in place, and major points of ingress to Japan were quickly shut down. While this prevented the spread of the virus, food and supply shortages have been causing havoc. Fishing communities are pitching in to fill the shortfall.

BRIGADIER GENERAL GREENE: Must be nice to be an island nation.

ZARA JEFFERS: I'm not sure starvation is a better than the virus, sir.

BRIGADIER GENERAL GREENE: I am. This is a plague of biblical proportions.

ZARA JEFFERS: It's not a plague, sir.

BRIGADIER GENERAL GREENE: Stop being so goddamned pedantic.

[storm axle]

What about UK?

[sick lantern]

bro literally said above that

[storm axle]

Im european

And national healthcare sucks

[storm axle]

About whole europe

[sick lantern]

what continent do you think the UK is in?

[storm axle]

Im talking about UK

I know UK is in europe

[waxen sonnet]

When this was wrote, the UK Was in the EU, And is technically classed as on the European Continent.

[torn shoal]

it doesnt, its just breaking down cause of years of bad policies

but its still 80.000 times better than the us where they let you die if you're poor

but the us behavior is just shoot first then ask quesstion, obviously they reacted bad to the outbreak

the uk healthcare system is breaking down worse than the rest of europe right now, its still better than the us, by a mile

thats why the us is ranking down so low in life expectancy or infant mortality

so it make sense any big enough crisis make them fall

[storm axle]

Yes and No

In Poland

You have to wait 15 years to get operation

Not Because of politics or laws

Because of queues

I remember when they wanted to buy some respirators in 2020

[torn shoal]

still better than the us

[storm axle]

Money from taxes was spent but we didn't saw any respirator

[storm axle]

Yes and no

[torn shoal]

yeah corruption is bad

but in the us they spend millions and never see any help

[storm axle]

In use you have better quality

It's faster

[torn shoal]

the us doesnt have better quality of faster times

like at all

[storm axle]

Us Healthcare is still better than in poland

My father had cancer (non fatal)

He was in hospital waiting to get operation

[torn shoal]

man, people in the us die from diabetes, which cost nothing to treat, its not even a hard disease like cancer

they cant pay for insulin

[storm axle]

Live is brutal

Healthcare socks everywhere

[sudden mortar]

Gentlemen, would you like to continue this healthcare topic on #off-topic-discussions

[storm axle]

Anna Is polish name btw

Fun fact

It's probably not only polish but still

[torn shoal]

its not really offtopic tho, in lore the reason euirope isnt in shamble is because of healthcare

and also not everyone has 80 guns to spare

[storm axle]

So if US had better Healthcare

[torn shoal]

it cant

[storm axle]

It can

[torn shoal]

for the us to have better healthcare it needs to stop being capitalist, which cannot happen

[storm axle]

You can be capitalist and have better healthcare

Us just have to stop buying new military gear

[torn shoal]

yes, its called : the actual us healthcare system

which sucks hard

cause if you're poor, you die

[storm axle]

Yea

[torn shoal]

so no, the us cant get better system, it would require them to socialize

thats why they were doomed from the start with the green poison

[storm axle]

In poland there is two maybe three hospitals that can do special operation on heart

You have to wait 20 years to get that operation

[torn shoal]

in the us you dont have to wait, you wont get it

[storm axle]

You will

[torn shoal]

not if you're poor

[storm axle]

Yea

[torn shoal]

thats my point

[storm axle]

So in us

You die when you are poor

[torn shoal]

in poland if you're rich you dont have to wait

you just go to some other place

[storm axle]

Yea

[torn shoal]

so, poland > us

[storm axle]

Private hospitals have queues too

[torn shoal]

pay more : no queues

[storm axle]

Bow you have to wait for 25 years and then spend a lot of monsy

[storm axle]

It's called

[torn shoal]

but lets stop talking about that specifically

[storm axle]

Ok

[torn shoal]

what point are you trying to make here

[storm axle]

Non

[torn shoal]

x)

[storm axle]

Hmmm

Im curious how would game looked if you really could get infected with green flu

[sudden mortar]

Would be probably similar to div1 survival mode, where you need to worry about more stuff than just HP and ammo.

[torn shoal]

you could in div 1

in div 2 its more like dc62

some area were marked as hazardous and would kill you over time

dz subway events made it impossible for people to stay in it until cleaners took it out

and then you had to possiblity to kill them for loot

[storm axle]

Yeah

But in division 1 you just die

What if you would really get infected

And your character dies in few game days

[torn shoal]

i mean, its a game, you're not supposed to not be able to play

we dont play "healthcare is bad simulator"

thats very boring and also doesnt feel great to play

[storm axle]

I know

[sudden mortar]

Kinda reminds me of cyberpunk when sometimes you have "relic malfunction" and your character starts to have seizures and being stunned for a few seconds.

[ashen jungle]

We call that "we paid for the whole Keanu Reeves, we're going to use the whole Keanu Reeves"

It's actually something I really appreciate about div2: the lack of a recognisable celebrity name taking over the story.

[torn shoal]

yeah, its more grounded

instead of having "x celebrity" leading the game

which would go very bad if said celeb was revealed a bad person

im looking at you gina carrero

or whatever her name is

[ashen jungle]

No, no. That name is perfect.
Maybe we can get Dwayne Jonestown instead.

I guess this is universe-y enough. I'd like to see some suggestions for ideal casting for a div mini-series, but remembering that there's only one "big" actor in those productions, the rest are strictly TV actors.

[torn shoal]

didnt we got some mini web serie of that ?

for div1

but it got scraped or something

no big names but still

imo the good big actor to get would be david tennant

my man cant do no wrong

[ashen jungle]

I guess he could play Keener, we've already got a brit doing the role now.

Weirdly, Lau's VA could also play her. She's already a TV actor.

But I'm more curious about the rest, the side-character picks.

[torn shoal]

i want ke huy quan as some jtf guy completely lost yet vital to their cohesion

i love that game

nah we cant have too mane famous people

we need non names for the rest

man thats hard

paul verhoeven was good at this

[wicked gorge]

Who?

[torn shoal]

the guy that made starship troopers

the first movie

and robocop

the first movie too

and other good stuff

but for starship trooper especially, he choose random no name tv actors from random sitcoms and made them play badass soldiers to make the disconnect from peaceful life and brutality of war very visible

[gaunt ice]

if the Rock had a role in div2 he would snap a warhound in half for his brand

[waxen sonnet]

I Come back from not keeping an eye on the server for 24 hours, and this is the first thing I read 👁️ 👄 👁️

[glad spruce]

Finished comm transcripts for all Year 5 seasons in the wiki

[waxen sonnet]

You unironically should take a break before you burn out my guy you've been doing that for quite a while now

[glad spruce]

Yeah. I'm not gonna do Y6S1 comm transcripts until next month.

I did those comms mostly cuz I was bored

And also because I feel they're fulfilling in some way.

[wicked gorge]

So I was thinking about the pestilence and wondered, did the outcast somehow make contaminated bullets

[storm axle]

why is Division anf JTF so struglling to make anything

[sudden mortar]

Well, what is left of the JTF is in the white house and the SHD can't do much with BT and Hunters intercepting everything that goes through the SHD network.

[torn shoal]

its a gameplay thing, not related to lore

[storm axle]

nuke hunters

[torn shoal]

cause otherwise there would be no game

[storm axle]

#nukehunters

[torn shoal]

also because there is no social support in the us

they think they can solve everything with guns

[storm axle]

why not

guns goes RATTATATATATA

btw i have to buy div 2 bc div 1 is dead as chuj

[wicked gorge]

Wow really(sarcasm), ik most of the exotics don’t work lore wise but its interesting to consider the outcast made some contaminated bullets to wound people and infect them with green poison

[wicked gorge]

Were the good guys and the game wouldn’t happen if the good guys were op

[torn shoal]

it it surprising when we got fire electric and bleeding bullets

as if any bullet wasnt already making you bleed

[storm axle]

logic but still

[wicked gorge]

Electric bullets kinda make sense with the st Elmo’s

[torn shoal]

not really

[storm axle]

Jtf and Shd are getting kicked all the time

[torn shoal]

bullets arent electrified

[storm axle]

no matter what

[wicked gorge]

Kinda is the key word

[torn shoal]

doesnt even go to kinda

it doesnt at all

[wicked gorge]

We’ve had this conversation already, i don’t remember if you were in it tho

[torn shoal]

idk, i dont remember anything anyway

but in real life electrc bullets dont exist

tazer already exist

[wicked gorge]

Yeah remembering things is for loser

[torn shoal]

true

[wicked gorge]

You do know shockrounds exist right?

[sudden mortar]

You should have seen the pre WONY pestilence, everything you killed a enemy he would make a fart poison cloud that prevents enemies from healing.

[wicked gorge]

Im a day -3 vet(some might understand that) but I remember the pestilence, I remember when the 5.56 extended mag held 30 bullets

[sudden mortar]

I wish we had the EMP talent when our armor breaks. Good times.

[wicked gorge]

You mean how the emps that have modifiers destroy our tech and armor plates YET THE ENEMY IS IMMUNE TO IT

I still want an explanation on how the emps break our armor

[sudden mortar]

What do you mean? Our agents lose armor with EMP, we don't eat, we don't sleep, we don't speak, of course we're the terminator.

[wicked gorge]

Weren’t the terminators immune to EMPs? I haven’t watched much of the terminator franchise

[sudden mortar]

That was a joke

[wicked gorge]

I know but I was curious about it

I’ve never been a big fan of futuristic stuff so I try to keep most of my stuff grounded

[wicked gorge]

Forgot to mention it earlier, but hollow point rounds are made to expand on impact to cause more bleeding

[torn shoal]

not really, they are supposed to change your body from vaguely solid to full liquid

you dont bleed, there is nothing to bleed

[wicked gorge]

wdym by there’s nothing to bleed

Im probably just being a dumbass but I don’t understand what your saying

[torn shoal]

i mean you need a body to bleed

hollow point make body go poof

and any high caliber round too tbh

you go from solid body to mist in the wind

[wicked gorge]

Hollow points rarely penetrate due to being hollow, when they impact they expand and create larger wounds

Hollow points are mainly for self defense, it depends on the caliber of the hollow point so lower calibers are more likely to cause area damage and bleeding

[wicked gorge]

Doing some extra research and asking some gun nut friends, apparently hollow points have more penetration power than I thought so I was wrong on that

[torn shoal]

also

any bullet can cause bleeding

i dont think any bullet can avoid that

[wicked gorge]

Well that’s like saying Ice is frozen water, hollow points expand when hitting something hard and it covers inflicts bigger wounds than a standard round. Hollow points are good for self defense/ hunting due to expanding and creating bigger wounds for bleed out and tracking, not to mention when they expand, they can shatter and cause internal bleeding from shrapnel

While yes, every bullet can make you bleed, hollow points are made to cause more external damage and bleeding to stop someone

[wicked gorge]

Rubber bullets and bean bag rounds

And now because of this conversation, I’m gonna go look up if 50. Cal rounds have hollow point tips cause I’m curious now

[torn shoal]

thoses arent bullets

and we dont use that ingame either

cal.50 dont need hollow, the sheer force of the bullet will make anything go poof on its path

[wicked gorge]

I know, but I was still telling you

If 50 cals have hp rounds then it’ll be useless since it’s mainly an anti material weapon

Not useless but it’ll probably lose a lot of its power

[wicked gorge]

Not yet, for all we know our weapons are full of bean bag rounds and we’re shooting enemies strawberry jam

[gaunt ice]

too bad,cope,cry bout it,it will be over when new content drops

[torn shoal]

not really

we have a grenade launcher

explosive seeker

u think they are fake explosive now too ?

[wicked gorge]

Do you want me to google the definition of a joke for you?

[torn shoal]

How am I supposed to know youre joking ?

[wicked gorge]

@torn shoal your telling me you read this and thought I was being serious

I said we were shooting strawberry jam, that should of been a dead giveaway

[tepid ibex]

you mean to tell me that we're not shooting strawberry jam? so is it grape jam then? is that why is takes 500 grape jamullets to kill an enemy?

[wicked gorge]

Im afraid so Sayvyur, that explains their jellyness

[glad spruce]

Okay, hear me out. Seeker mine that latches out on an enemy. After it latches out on the enemy for a few seconds, it explodes

[wicked gorge]

So a moving sticky bomb?

[glad spruce]

Yes

I was thinking more like how the enemies panicking and yelling in the face of being latched by a latcher seeker mine

[ashen jungle]

So a Seeker mine with a longer fuse?

[glad spruce]

You could say that

[wicked gorge]

Hawkster that’s a war crime

Sign me up for it

[next hemlock]

It’s not a war crime if it’s committed during war time

[wicked gorge]

Its not a war crime if you leave no witnesses

[next hemlock]

That too

[tall lion]

hello

first time being here

[ashen jungle]

Welcome to the lore focused channel.

[tall lion]

Is everyone still online?

I wanna talk about warcrimes

kidding

or am i?

[void monolith]

lol

what war crimes coach?

I like how the true sons gaslights their boys into wearing bomb vests

[tall lion]

and outcasts too

[tall lion]

my sanity is lowering each day when i play division 2...

[wintry pike]

least with the Outcast suiciders, from what i remember of the overall faction they're infected with... something, and in the suiciders it might have progressed to the point of being either terminal or rather quickly making their quality of life go off a cliff so theyd rather go out in a (sometimes literal) blaze of glory

[tall lion]

Ending themselves with a boom?

Man, they're getting desperate

Like, i know they mad about the military leaving them behind a few years back

shit's insane

[ashen jungle]

@tall lion Let's leave the IRL comparisons out of it as much as you can.

[tall lion]

ahem, sorry about that

[wicked gorge]

Welcome to the club amigo

[sudden mortar]

The Court and the justice system is gone in the division world, so it doesn't matter

[torn shoal]

why wouldnt i ?

[waxen sonnet]

Because it's Phoenix

[sleek plover]

what?
where?

[glad spruce]

I think he was mistaking them for Outcasts since the True Sons don't have anyone wearing bomb vests

[sour perch]

I wonder how the throwers feel about having to wear literal explosives on their back, knowing agents can just pop them.

[torn shoal]

you do too tho

seekers and grenade launchers dont appear out of thing air

also thats how you carry explosives on the field irl

same for flamethrower

[sleek plover]

tbh, i wouldnt be surprise if true sons conscripted and groomed child soldiers into suicide squad

[sick lantern]

the best survival strategy is to just not get shot so probably not too bad

[wicked gorge]

I did tell you my humor is poorly timed, if I say something really stupid then most likely I’m joking

[wicked gorge]

Im gonna take that as a compliment-_-

[ashen jungle]

Sarcasm can be kinda tough to detect through text unless you make it very obvious, depending on who's reading it.
I know it kills the joke, but the "/s" suffix is there for a reason.

[torn shoal]

but when have you said something serious ?

[waxen sonnet]

Yus. Who's my lwittle favwourt hunter, is Phoenix-boo!

Ahem, I hate that I wrote that too before you say it

[wicked gorge]

Surprisingly a lot

[wicked gorge]

Jack, im gonna speak for all of us, go sit in the corner

[waxen sonnet]

Im not saying reading the Unredacted elements of Dark winter terrified me, but my Shopping search history is now Survival bug out gear, The division has panicked me 👁️ 👄 👁️

[waxen sonnet]

Understood

[wicked gorge]

I forgot about the dark winter protocol

[waxen sonnet]

Dark Winter was less a Protocol and more a testbed practise run of something just like Green Poison, and boy it's terrifiying.

[ashen jungle]

I do enjoy how edgelord the name is.

[wicked gorge]

I considered it a protocol since the us have it in place to counter bio attacks on the coin

[waxen sonnet]

"'this is just a test, this is not a real emergency.' But Mr. Chairman, our lack of preparation is a real emergency."

House Hearing on Combating Terrorism: Federal Response to a Biological Weapons Attack, July 23, 2001

Ironic given It too was Smallpox they tested

[ashen jungle]

Remember: no IRL stuff now.

[wicked gorge]

Would that be considered banned since it technically does play into the story?

[waxen sonnet]

Operation Dark winter is refrenced heavily in the Division 1 and 2.

Both Intro's, Quotes by Faye Lau etc.

[wicked gorge]

Idk about div 2

[ashen jungle]

It's not actually banned, we just strongly discourage it after a lot of comparisons were made between a certain stronghold in the base game and a certain incident on a day in January.

[wicked gorge]

Ah, gotcha

[waxen sonnet]

Ew, American Politics

[wicked gorge]

Don’t get me started on them

[waxen sonnet]

Yeah, let me see, spinny chair my way over to my book case one moment, Its referenced in the base game somewhere

[wicked gorge]

I know it’s referenced in div 1 but div 2 not so much, technically yeah cause dark winter gave birth to directive 51

[gaunt ice]

that was some crazy foreshadow tho

doesnt help that ubi gave div1 away for free when....the virus happened

[ashen jungle]

Let's not focus too heavily on the one aspect of div's plot history, I mean at this stage we're in the tom clancy-esque craziness of the Illuminati.

[waxen sonnet]

Dark winter (the Vector) is referenced to the real life test, Faye lau is quoted twice and there's a DCD/CEARA Reference to it

[ashen jungle]

DW was added with WONY, which is a big pile of references to the first game.
So it's probably more appropriate to say that it was referenced once div2 went back to div1's storyline.

[wicked gorge]

Didn’t the game go from virus plot line to civil war plot line and is still going on

[waxen sonnet]

Also one of you Americans, who has more power, Congress or the US Supreme court?

[gaunt ice]

been a while now

[wicked gorge]

Congress, but congress keeps the president in check

[ashen jungle]

There's only so long you can make a virus threatening when we have the power of washing hands on our side.

[gaunt ice]

the virus plotline was mostly "resolved"'

[wicked gorge]

Until keener made a new version

[waxen sonnet]

Or black death style were so many die it struggles to spread

[ashen jungle]

I mean, a lot of the deaths that caused would've been solved by basic flu medicine.
but that's another matter.

[gaunt ice]

yea but when was the last time eclipse was relevant

[wicked gorge]

It becomes relevant when he decides to use it

[gaunt ice]

since season 2....

[wicked gorge]

Or maybe it was all a bad dream

[gaunt ice]

you joke but the writers will genuinely try to gaslight you into thinking eclipse wasn't a thing

[ashen jungle]

Keener following a "my first viral infection" guide is not really him "creating" them.

[wicked gorge]

Damn that’s right, i thought it was around season 3 or 4

[waxen sonnet]

90% Fatal from GP Itself, plus with the break down of other essentials all other medicines go so uh, bad luck Diabetics, cancer patients etc

[gaunt ice]

how else would Keener look like an antihero if he literally commited mass murder

[ashen jungle]

.......I think you're crossing references here, Jack.

[waxen sonnet]

Am i?

[wicked gorge]

Bro what are you talking about, what is eclipse ?

[gaunt ice]

true!

its the delulu setting in

[ashen jungle]

Attempt to kill everyone on Manhattan Island, then I assume they're just not going to reference it in the future, so don't worry.

[gaunt ice]

its only a war crime if you lose (/s)

[ashen jungle]

It's only a war crime if formal war was declared, otherwise it's sparkling genocide.

[wicked gorge]

Nah, that never happened, you were dreaming. Keener was actually giving blankets and food out to the people affected by cals division

[ashen jungle]

Cal really has to stop doing maths.

[gaunt ice]

on a more serious note i hate that they just wont address any of his wrongdoings

sure we agreed that we need to work with the "lesser" evil rn to beat the big bad guy but they're acting like Keener's a squeaky clean dude,him and Theo too

[waxen sonnet]

Cant address his wrongdoings if they casually dont even mention he's a glorified bad guy still moment

[wicked gorge]

Cal created this whole mess when he found out how to divide by 0

[gaunt ice]

yea sure Theo had some noble goals but he literally partook in the attack of the NYC HQ

[ashen jungle]

It wouldn't have fit the tone, but my Agent just opening fire on Keener as soon as the last bunker door opened and he was just standing there in the open would've been a pretty satisfying wrap-up, narratively speaking.
"oh we never intended to work with him, this was just the only way his ego would let us get close enough".

[gaunt ice]

i'd do the same if i cared about the season tbh

[ashen jungle]

.....I can't confirm or deny that I tried that in one of my re-runs.

[gaunt ice]

just flat out execute him,then it cuts to him lying on the ground bleeding out while Baby Blue plays

🎶 guess i got, what i deserve....

[ashen jungle]

John Hopkins would look good with a shaved head.

[wicked gorge]

Man, y’all really want keener dead

[sick lantern]

yea

he deserves it

[gaunt ice]

"if you tell me one more time you're doing this for the greater goo-"
"i did it for me,i was good at mass murder,and i enjoyed it"

[ashen jungle]

Crypto bro, you understand.

[waxen sonnet]

Man will do anything to avoid paying Allamony

[wicked gorge]

Anyone wanna help me gaslight Rivne’s and chairs into believing Keener did nothing wrong?

[ashen jungle]

If one good thing can come out of the Green Poison, it's no more wall street bros'.

[wicked gorge]

No taxes so green poison was a blessing

[waxen sonnet]

Easier ways to avoid the IRS not gonna lie

[wicked gorge]

I wanna see how the south of the United States is handling the pandemic

[gaunt ice]

yknow if there's like even 10% of the Army left we would pack the black tusk in 1 week

[wicked gorge]

Florida is guaranteed to be the last bastion of humanity, not even the black tusk would go there

[gaunt ice]

rivens i saw that
mod abuse smh

[wicked gorge]

Your acting like it was a problem

That accurately describes the division universe rn

[ashen jungle]

The power I wield, gifs at my human fingertips that I 100% have.