division-universe

[glad spruce]

And I'll never forget The Recruiter's monologue in Camp White Oak

[torn shoal]

intimidating ? i mean they are still a threat, but they def dont scare anyone now

they're just a boss

like any other

the recruiter wasnt bad but like so obvious and predictible

by default its not bad, but when we talk about hunters, the possibilties were so much better

[sick lantern]

Johnson literally showing up after years of plot limbo 💀

le gasp

twas him??
not like there was any other candidates

[hallow topaz]

That's nice and suits the ||Cabal|| situation.
"Cal, you need to make sure we get those anti-virals, before they do. We need them weak and desperate when we move in"
Cal: alright lads, make sure we get it, no loose ends🧐
Hunters: 🌚

They knew when we got that echo in police academy, at least Faye didn't know

[torn shoal]

yeah, at that point it was clear for everyone else who didnt know

same when we faced hornet at russian embassy

at that moment either call the agent back or do something just dont afk for few months and then be like "hunter time baby"

[near totem]

So the Directive 51 exists in real life?

[glad spruce]

Yes

[cold bramble]

yes it's called the national continuity policy

[sick lantern]

... it is literally called National Security Presidential Directive 51 tho

[sick lantern]

as does Operation Dark Winter

[cold bramble]

it's called both

[sick lantern]

and ISAC is based off of a real project called CALO

[near totem]

Wow

[glad spruce]

And CALO laid the foundation for Apple's Siri.

[ashen jungle]

And Siri high-fived Albert Einstein and called you cool.

[near totem]

I wonder how bad is the situation with cartels near the border

[ashen jungle]

I mean, I assume most of them died of the horrible plague.

[near totem]

But propably those who remained formed new gangs

[ashen jungle]

Like one with some kind of Son that is True.

div2 universe loves its matching-outfit factions.

[glad spruce]

It wouldn't be fair for a faction to not have their own drip.

[torn shoal]

yeah lets be real : style > strengh

i'm with whoever is the swaggest

[sour perch]

It's gotta be the True Sons man
They got the best fit

[torn shoal]

nah

the scav are way more dope

[glad spruce]

In that case, I'll go with Black Tusk

[ornate gull]

Do you guy ever think about Div3 setting gonna be during winter?

I like roam open world while heavy snow reduce your vision

[glad spruce]

I hope not

[near totem]

Can cleaners shoot their aks and use the flamethrower?

[glad spruce]

At the same time? Probably not

[torn shoal]

yes but not at the same time

[wicked gorge]

Didn’t the Mexico comn from the Langley report talk about the cartels being in power?

[hallow topaz]

I hope for a all seasons changing map.
But a summer and winter map would be good too.

[near totem]

I think so. They have another Santa blanca situation

[wicked gorge]

Sadly the Santa Blanca aint cannon, shame cause Nomad and our agent would wipe the floor with them

[glad spruce]

I think a lot of US Special Forces units would be dissolved in the wake of Green Poison outbreak

[near totem]

Did Sam Fisher had a similiar watch to ours?

[waxen sonnet]

I love the premise of this statement

"There's a new faction at play agent, we don't know the leaders, motives or territory, but we can confirm one thing

They got drip"

[ashen jungle]

I appreciate that even after the apocalypse happened, Gen Z slang was still somehow invented.

[waxen sonnet]

Dread it, run from it, the Gen Z is inevitable all the same

[glad spruce]

No. He had a PDA that keeps track of a map, his inventory, and his objective s

[glad spruce]

I have a gym session in half an hour, so my recap of this week's Descent comm will be delayed for a bit

[waxen sonnet]

Gym gains before Descent mode Pains

[glad spruce]

Another week, a new Descent comm. Comm 66 titled Secured.

||Calvin McManus checks in on the progress from one of his Hunter squads who made their way to ''redacted'' (Silver Creek, obviously). He orders them to set up a FOB and as soon as possible, get to the basement to a Hunter bunker where they can access the database and secure the roster||

[near totem]

|| FOB ? ||

[torn shoal]

||forward operating base imo||

[glad spruce]

Yes

[near totem]

Thanks

[wicked gorge]

So the comns are set before Keener got the roster

[glad spruce]

Yes

[glad spruce]

BTW, you can check the bio for Aaron Keener in the Manhunt menu by selecting "Show Target Data". Here's what it says.

Cold, cunning, ruthless, and highly intelligent, Keener sought to destroy Calvin McManus and his Division who though they could "save what remains" without him. Keener recruited other disillusioned agents to join his Rogue Network.

The more he recruited, the more he drew the attention of Calvin McManus and the Black Tusk. The Division ordered Keener and his Rogues to be eliminated. On Liberty Island, he was engaged in combat where he was presumed dead after activating the Rogue Network.

Rogue activities continued after his "death" across the nation. After Agent Kelso returned to the Haven Settlement in Lower Manhattan, he came out of hiding for a new mission - to recruit more people to fight against the Black Tusk and Cal's Hunters. Once the know the truth about what the opposition is planning, they will see he was right.```

[sick lantern]

no, they won't

[glad spruce]

Okay, I get it. You hate Keener

[wicked gorge]

My opinion, Keener is right, but Keener’s execution was wrong

[near totem]

I think there is 2 Keeners in one body

Or even more

[wicked gorge]

Ones regular Keener, the other is Venom Keener

[gaunt ice]

Keener was never right

his shadow government conspiracy is just a facade for a slimy douchebag to justify committing atrocities

i can kill 2 random people and claim that i did that because they were bad people.
in Keener’s case it turned out that those 2 people were infact bad people

also “hurt and betrayed by those he swore to protect” as if the lil shit didn’t join the division for the
illusion of being a hero

the moment things went sideways he shat himself and decided to go commit manslaughter first thing first

no amount of retcon,or should i say “filling the gap” should ever make you feel for that garbage of a subhuman ever

im approaching the i hate LMB guy level of hating Keener and how many people jump to defend him

[glad spruce]

In that case, I think Keener is right and that he's a hero

[gaunt ice]

they are actively ignoring liberty island because he tried to nuke manhattan with a biobomb

“its where the BT bunker is guys”

yea guys all those people in the original BoO works for McManus

they totally all deserved it

[glad spruce]

Yes

[gaunt ice]

Keener is just misunderstood :D

[glad spruce]

Maybe it's time for you to quit the Division

[gaunt ice]

well i dont get paid anyway

getting good pay in an apocalypse is too much to ask smh

[glad spruce]

I still fanatically believe we can't strike hard against Black Tusk on our own

[gaunt ice]

we absolutely can we’re just held back by stupid people around us

like the jtf is literally useless and holding us back

first they were almost taken over by a bunch of hyena thugs

[glad spruce]

You act like a skeleton crew that was barely holding on could take back the city

[gaunt ice]

now they just flop over because apparently SHD tech turned off

when have they EVER succeeded in anything genuinely

we already have communities that run themselves

meanwhile Manny decommissions the drone girl because apparently its not good for her psych or something

[glad spruce]

That's the point. JTF was too stretched thin to the point that civilians decided to strike out on their own and form communities

[glad spruce]

I'd say spending too much time on Drones and not in the real world is good enough reason to be relieved of duty

[gaunt ice]

look its a war

you scramble whatever resources you have to fight it

[plain junco]

if that's the case then our agent needs to sit down and have a nap because they are constantly on the move dismantling factions and going after madmen

[glad spruce]

Actually, you know what. You're too stubborn in your goddamned beliefs that I wanna (redacted).

I'm done here

[gaunt ice]

shockingly?thats the status quo
most manhunts take place in like roughly a week

[gaunt ice]

ok KeenerDefender

me when i cant provide a counter point so i just call people cynical

[plain junco]

my opinion on Kenner is the only time he's considered 'right' is dealing with the hunters/mcmanus/natayla - other than that i dont trust that man as far as he can be tossed out of canon

[gaunt ice]

the second McManus drops dead we better send him 6 feet under

actually double it

[plain junco]

that man has something up his sleeve and will definitely or most likely try to pull again what he tried to do in new york with the virus

[gaunt ice]

like you dont have to “recontexualize” his past actions in a good light for us to work with him

[glad spruce]

Finally a sane person. A lot of y'all treat Keener like he's the worst war criminal in the history of mankind

[plain junco]

-- well he kinda is tbh

[glad spruce]

....

[gaunt ice]

you can totally acknowledge that he’s a sack of shit and still work with him

[glad spruce]

I'm done here

[plain junco]

i can't stand the man but the only way we can actually deal with natayla and the hunters is if we work with him

[glad spruce]

I'm done

[gaunt ice]

but nooooo he’s not evil guys he totally didn’t join the Division just to roleplay hero

[glad spruce]

You wanna fantasize killing Keener so bad, do it while you sleep

[plain junco]

i dont care if he lives or dies i just want him to not have a damn monologe every two seconds

[gaunt ice]

how dare you call out evilman for being evil

real

[glad spruce]

You still want him dead, so what's the difference

[gaunt ice]

“agent you must prove your worth to me….ignore when you dismantle my rogue cell and left me at your mercy”

[plain junco]

I never stated that i wanted him dead i just want him to shut up

[gaunt ice]

apparently having a mild dislike on Keener is the same as wanting him dead

[glad spruce]

I think once he shows what our enemies are planning, he'll be right and I get to laugh at your faces

[gaunt ice]

realistically court martial is the worst that can happen to him,assuming we can even do that

[plain junco]

we've already seen what our enemies are like so you might as well laugh now

[gaunt ice]

rotting in a jail cell is the best we can do for now

[plain junco]

he just knows more because of him being sneaky and placing people in the right places

[glad spruce]

Whatever

[plain junco]

anyway you can like keener and his character development and all that but there's absolutely nothing wrong with calling out his actions and holding the man accountable for the crap he's pulled and how he had no problem whatsoever killing a bunch of innocent people with a virus and threatened to do it again with new york

man is a good and clever villain but he's not a good person

[gaunt ice]

CEO of fact right here

the story and the people behind it are actively ignoring his past atrocities or r*tcon(recontextualize) it as something good

good night Hawkster

dont forget 5x xp

[plain junco]

i dont like that they're doing that tbh - you can't have the man doing all that too civilians, and do it again where you can see him, and then have him do good guy actions on the side - after you seen him be nuts

if they are saying he was doing this before his actions in the new york expansion then maybe but other than that - nope

[gaunt ice]

current story would’ve been fine in a bubble if they didn’t just like make wony tbh

td1 Keener had bad traits sure but he didn’t do some really out of line stuff

he did kill some people here n then but its not as bad as idk bombing a HQ with civilians inside?

i blame wony for everything

both cannot coexist whatsoever

[wicked gorge]

Time to consume my 58th Red Bull for the day

[glad spruce]

Always remember to give yourself wings after

[wicked gorge]

Oh the agent would have wings after that many Red Bulls

So the Keener debate looks interesting

[glad spruce]

Interesting is one way to put it

[plain junco]

yes he's a good villain who's also a maniac who won't shuddup but is also funny 😌

[plain junco]

im on my 60th red bull - im winning

[wicked gorge]

So the limit is 60

[near totem]

What if Keener just wants to be a Futures trader again?

[wicked gorge]

I mean even if Society got to that point again, Keener is most likely going to prison for life

If he doesn’t he’ll know how to sell products

[sick lantern]

the point is not whether we “need” him or not, because hunters shd network blah blah i sleep
the point is that he is still, regardless, a power hungry narcissistic sociopath who is a threat
he was never “right” about anything he just so happens to have the same enemy as us rn, and he is prepared somewhat to fight them solely due to his underhanded traitorous techniques
if he wasn’t a traitor and a mass murderer, maybe if he was just awol or something, then he might be “right”

[gaunt ice]

did yall like never play the original mw2

that part when Makarov shared Shepherd's location to Price?

yea thats essentially whats going on here

[ornate gull]

Mutual enemies

You share your enemies intel to live for another day

And getting hunted another day

[wicked gorge]

So that means we’ll throw a knife into McManus’s head

[glad spruce]

In his eye, to be specific

[torn shoal]

u wish

he clearly has plot armor

[glad spruce]

I just wanna see how he'd look in game like we did with Nat back in the end of Season 10

[torn shoal]

prob like a looser that cant hire good hunters

back in my days people were good at recruiting

but now is all skibidi toilet agents

[true fox]

I've been following your interpretations of the game's communications, it helps to combine information. I'm very grateful Hawkster.

[true fox]

Even with vision and plans, some things in this insane run of the X Division "everything that is the enemy"
It might not work out very well.
Just keep trying and we won't lose the war, even working with someone like Keener.

[near totem]

Is Skell tech canon in Division universe?

[glad spruce]

No

[torn shoal]

no they are separate ip

[sudden mortar]

Who is Skell?

[near totem]

Skell tech is a company owned by Jace Skell. That company amde many things that we use in ghost recon like drones, Optical camo mostly high tech stuff

[glad spruce]

They're from Ghost Recon Breakpoint

[sudden mortar]

Didn't know that. But ghost recon is a separate universe, not related to division in any way.

Still, I think it would be cool to see those more unreal tech being developed by the NSA or Ortiz.

[near totem]

I thought that if they were cannon in r6s they can be cannon here

[sudden mortar]

All the other Tom Clancy's games might be connected bcs Sam Fisher made an appearance in Wildlands and R6. Shame that's not the case with the division.

[wicked gorge]

Division is it’s own universe, the rest of the Tom Clancy games are in the same universe

[sudden mortar]

If The division was connected, so XDefiant would be the "Into the clancyverse" basically

[wicked gorge]

Defiant is basically into the spiderverse

[near totem]

Well only in the division the world kinda got destroyed so it makes sense

[wicked gorge]

Theoretically, the division could exist in the main Tom Clancy universe but is not active and heavily redacted

[near totem]

So in the main clancy universe we are still waiting for activation?

If we were in it

[glad spruce]

Pretty much

[wicked gorge]

Yep

[torn shoal]

it wished, into the spiderverse was banger

[wicked gorge]

Both movies were great

[torn shoal]

3rd one will be even better i feel it

[open sentinel]

isnt the 3rd one gonna be live action or am i completely wrong

[torn shoal]

def not

its a separate timeline

and universe

[open sentinel]

i thought it was a budget thing

i hope im wrong tho fr

[torn shoal]

its 2 different things, there is the animated movie and the live action movies

both give them a lot of money so they just make more

[open sentinel]

yeah i meant like i heard smth abt the 3rd spiderverse movie being live action cause of the budget, but theyre probably rolling in it considering how popular the first 2 are

[torn shoal]

i dont think they ever planned that tho

i never seen any news like that

[wicked gorge]

Sorry to ruin the fun, but remember it’s a lore channel

[near totem]

Was there any chance that Green Poison could be stopped in NY?

[glad spruce]

Can't really say. The pandemic was a cluster of great proportions that there was no way it could've been prevented from spreading further to the globe.

As far as Amherst is concerned, he won.

[torn shoal]

no, it was engineered to spread as fast as possible + today's infrastructures dont allow for easy quanrantine of big cities unless the situation is already dire that mean its already too late at that point

just look at covid irl, everybody buried their heads in the sand cause "make more money instead plz it will pass"

and when actual stuff was put in place it was far too late

viruses are very nasty by nature, thats why its very feared as a bio weapon and thats why the div used it for its plot

cant be seen, smelled, cant be detected really unless its too late

so many people would be carrier without showing symptoms for days

thats why the country fell so hard ingame

armest didnt give anyone a fighting chance tbh

the only positive thing about the virus, its treatable if you got the right medeecine and equipment

but ingame thats too far gone for now

[wicked gorge]

Like Lyfe said no, Amherst engineered green poison to be spread as effectively as possible while adapting the strain to survive on surfaces for extended periods of time. Lets say the Manhattan quarantine was successful and were able to round up all shown infected individuals, you’d be leaving out travelers, asymptomatics, and potential infected dollars in the wind to start another outbreak

[true fox]

Can anyone tell me what happened to NGN?

[wicked gorge]

Slowly trying to not figure out every cuss word in the dictionary due to chimera

[true fox]

?

[ashen jungle]

"extended leave for pesonal reasons", re: NGN.

[wicked gorge]

Oh I didn’t know about that

[ashen jungle]

Didn't either to be honest, just clicked on the "more links" from youtube, then twitter.

[true fox]

Of course, thank you

[ashen jungle]

Gotta love social media for snooping.

[wicked gorge]

I don’t use twitter, I just figured he was trying to use more time to make a good final lore vid for the season

[ashen jungle]

Same lol, but the link is still there.

[near totem]

So we lost the fight from the start?

[wicked gorge]

Like div 1 said, by the time patient zero felt the 1st sore throat, millions would be infected

[ashen jungle]

Green Poison itself was never the fight, that was a lost cause from Day 0.
What the SHD is made for is "after the fight".

[wicked gorge]

Yet it was poorly constructed

[ashen jungle]

SHD? Of course it was, it was never intended to actually be used.

We're a contingency that no one thought would happen, so we're full of rich kids whose parents wanted a free ride for them.

[near totem]

Could Theo Pharnell be Marcus Holloway?

[ashen jungle]

The Watchdogs 2 guy? I mean, in the same way that Keener could be Aiden Pierce because they both have fake deep voices.

[torn shoal]

fighting the disease isnt the fight in div, its to save what remains and assure continuity of gov

[near totem]

Yep the wd2 guy

[ashen jungle]

I love that both Keener+Pierce have non-americans as their VA's.

[torn shoal]

thats why div 1 had so much talk from the electrician guy from boo about abuse of power, fall of democracy etc

he was kinda conspiracy leaning

but he had real fears about people taking over without legitimity

[ashen jungle]

What's the connection between Holloway and Parnell? Outside of their, ya know, skin colour.

[torn shoal]

like black tusk tried to do

[torn shoal]

hacking i guess ?

[near totem]

Yup

And Wearing glasses

[ashen jungle]

Lol really?

[torn shoal]

yeah but thats about it

[near totem]

You can add "hacking for good" thing

[ashen jungle]

They aren't even the same kinda conspiracy theorist, since Holloway doesn't like killing, and Parnell is fine with slaughtering innocent people.

[torn shoal]

meh, parnell didnt hack for good so far, he got a lot of people killed

he is just an archetype

like many other

keener is the dark edgy boy with a dark past

[near totem]

What about trying to find out the death of his father?

[ashen jungle]

Re-play the opening to WONY, Parnell is the one controlling the drone that kills those JTF.

[torn shoal]

he also disable division and jtf equipments so that rikers and cleaners kill them

[near totem]

Yeah... that good is not as good as it was

[torn shoal]

he is rogue, you dont become rogue by mistake

[ashen jungle]

He also has canonically terrible cardio and Holloway can literally run forever.

[torn shoal]

thoses days, becoming rogue mean killing innocent people, not stealing food from a supermarket

[near totem]

Really? He really does?

[ashen jungle]

You need to replay the WONY campaign, there's a lot about Parnell you are missing.

[torn shoal]

yeah, in the tombs he is barely breathing after running

and in watchdogs 2 its a gta like so you run endlessly

• you parkour a lot

[ashen jungle]

The game kinda plays him up as a dorky guy who gets in over his head, but he is a stone-cold murderer.

[torn shoal]

he also sent many rikers to die to slow you down

[ashen jungle]

Most importantly; he helped make Eclipse more deadly, and IIRC is the one who killed the JTF settlement that's near the docks.

Clinton, IIRC.

[torn shoal]

prob yeah, would require to check the audio logs again but there is a lot

[ashen jungle]

tl;dr for that mission is that "someone" hacked a supply crate, put eclipse inside it, and then sent it to them.
Sounds techy to me.

[torn shoal]

if its on his area, its him

[ashen jungle]

They do work outside of their area, just for gameplay purposes all their mission related activities are within their zone.

[near totem]

Why do SHD airdrops blow up after we open/steal them?

[wicked gorge]

No witnesses

Probably to destroy crates to prevent salvaging

[torn shoal]

same reason the message selfdestruct in impossible mission movies, its BADASS

explosions = cool factor

[ashen jungle]

As phoenix said; The SHD is a black-ops government program. No leaks if there's nothing left to leak.

[wicked gorge]

Destroyed crates =no evidence =no tech being salvaged to be used against agents

Plus RND had some extra money in the budget and instead of developing self revive kits for solo agents, they decided to equip their crates with a failsafe

[near totem]

Because you never know who is trying to open your orange box

[wicked gorge]

Yet hostiles using a crowbar to pry it open dont trigger the failsafe

[ashen jungle]

That's because the crates are made by Samsung.

complete with explosions.

[wicked gorge]

Its like the cyber truck, immune to a pound of C4 yet if you slam the door too hard it gets destroyed

I can’t help but now think about an agent slamming the lid of a cache doen and it breaks in half

[torn shoal]

its not immune to anything in the first place xd

if you wipe the windshield with a wet cloth it litterally break apart let alone a pound of c4

thats like a cheap tank that cant even tank xd

even the apc in div 1 incursion was better

[wicked gorge]

My whole problem is when the hell am I ever gonna need a truck to survive an explosion when going to work

[sudden mortar]

I think the real question would be why the SHD dropped supplies on DZ in the first place. I was thinking this is because of the agents that got abandoned in NY DZ but idk.

Because:

1. hunters don't operate inside DZs
2. There are no civilians there
3. agents that weren't tagged as rogues, could leave the DZ at any time by the outposts.

[ashen jungle]

Isn't it stated somewhere to be an automated system that's delivering the supplies? Or if not that, it's probably just a "game canon" thing, like us having infinite ammo boxes all over the city.

[wicked gorge]

Well in div 1, the clear sky incursion shows a division helo leaving the dz before rikers shot it down and we can hear a pilot over the comns before they kill him

[wicked gorge]

Im pretty sure there’s still civilians in the dz, but we don’t see them cause of “game” logic

[ember temple]

Just funny to me that everyone can agree that Theo isn't a good dude but the second anyone points out what Keener has done and that he actually isn't good, arguments ensue

[ashen jungle]

Theo's just so pick-onable.

It's the clearly trying to be trendy glasses.

[gaunt ice]

shhhh you'll hurt someone's feelings with that

how dare you call out bad person for being bad

[quaint saddle]

"The Division is a failure. You people need open your eyes and trust me. I'm doing this for the good of everybody."
-Says the guy that murdered other agents in cold blood, killed God-knows how many innocent people, and weaponized a virus even worse than the one that caused massive societal collapse across continents.

[wicked gorge]

Nah, we decided to ignore that

To prevent the argument that was a joke

[near totem]

What would happen if somebody destroyed DZ walls?

[wicked gorge]

Depends, which dz are we talking about and what time period

[near totem]

NY and DC DZs at Div2 time period

But div 1 period would be interesting too

[quaint saddle]

We cleaned up lower Manhattan in Division 1. Sure it went to shit later. But while were there it everyone was cruising. Some semblance of normalcy came back if only briefly.

Knocking down the DZ walls wouldn't have done shit.

Our agent would just clean that up too.

Actually. I'm pretty sure there's a comm on one of the shields that talks about following the agent through hell and back.

[balmy panther]

what did the new trial say?

[sick lantern]

Faye was trying to figure that out, it was rather shady

[gaunt ice]

the "hunter doesn't work in DZ" thing could be debunked by Survival no?

[true fox]

Where was this "glasses code" reported? in the game or in the books?

[glad spruce]

Glasses? 10 bucks says it's the codename for Theo Parnell

[glad spruce]

That we finally passed Keener's test and we are now part of his group in fighting against Black Tusk

[true fox]

I believe it too, but they are referring to the suitcase with the 6 watches that Keener carries, from Code Glasses.

[glad spruce]

Oh. In that case, I speculate those 6 watches are enhanced with a defensive measure against Black Tusk's countermeasure

[true fox]

Yes, I just wanted to understand, where was it said: "glasses code" somewhere
to see if I can interpret more about this

This is a bit confusing, isn't it?
I'll look in the game and review the recordings

[near totem]

I dont think they work there all the time. I had a theory about it

[gaunt ice]

oh definitely

if their original objective is to kill "rogue" agents then they'd be doing it already in the DZ

idk survival is kinda icky to fit into canon

[ashen jungle]

As are Hunters, let's be honest.

[gaunt ice]

or maybe because the president isn't dead yet McManus was still hiding his hand idk

[gaunt ice]

true but at least they looked alright

kinda silly to think of but still alright

[glad spruce]

Sorry, but I refuse to believe Hunters are too icky to fit into the story

[ashen jungle]

The problem with Hunters is deciding what is and what is not canon.

Books, Puzzles, Manhunts, Div1, there's a lot of info there and plenty of it contradicts at least for now.

We absolutely do not know the whole story, and ikely won't until at least the DLC, maybe even 3.

[gaunt ice]

ít currently cut n dry enough tbh

Mcdonald's handyman

[torn shoal]

tbh most openworld stuff is just not canon, only missions are

and some arent even

like wtf is summit even in lore

countdown being taken over by every faction except black tusk too

openworld hunters that only appear after you shoot a star on top of a chrismas tree like are the chrismas lovers or haters ?

in lore true sons and bt are allied but open world they still fight each others

[ashen jungle]

Hunters in Countdown not counting as Hunters makes sense only if you see them as "trainee Hunters", as they are counted as BT Elite.
Unless it's just a gameplay thing to make people get Hunter kills elsewhere for the Project.

[torn shoal]

i think its just gameplay thing

they behave like regular hunters after all

they have watches on them too iirc

meaning they passed the training

and killed agents on the field before

lot of stuff is for gameplay

[ashen jungle]

Considering how many Agents died in the DZ, it's entirely possible that some Hunters have never even seen a live Agent and just took the Watches off the corpses.

[torn shoal]

yeah thats possible

but i mean gameplay wise, not a lot stick to lore

and its fine tbh, lore is way too bleak to be fun

it would be like playing hardcore mode but everything is on legendary and its your first run x)

[ashen jungle]

I wouldn't mind if they brought back a little bleak tbh, it's getting a bit Tom Clancy for me.

[torn shoal]

yeah, rn lore is getting weird, im not a fan of cabal things and stuff

i like very hopeless stuff with some conspiracy not like full on conspiracy on the level of flat earth

thinking it could happen irl is def a good thing when you think about it

[glad spruce]

The pandemic wasn't gonna last forevr. So we're currently in a struggle about picking up the pieces and restoring the country.

I feel like one question the game should ask: Should we go back to the way it was before Green Poison? Or focus on building something new?

[torn shoal]

well thats a philosophical question

my take on this : if your world was taken down by itself, you should create a new one instead learning from the mistakes of the past

also like the world we live in isnt sustainable clearly

so a change is inevitable

[glad spruce]

Clearly

[torn shoal]

the only thing we can decide is when we change it, so we can mitigate consequences

[glad spruce]

Gordon Amherst was a lunatic, but he was right about how the the world we were living in is choking Earth and its nature

[torn shoal]

actually, he was more of a ecofacist

[glad spruce]

That too

[torn shoal]

thinking the human race was the pb instead of how we structured society

he was very wrong, as every other ecofacist in media, like thanos

[glad spruce]

Don't take me wrong, I still hate him and his philosophy

[torn shoal]

yeah, but you'd be surprised how many people think they are right

thanos, armest, etc

or whatever its name is written

i cant spell it

but yeah especuially when div 1 came out it was a big thing

thinking "humans are the virus"

its a very problematic thinking

also in universe the cleaners are the most close to the actual solution than any other faction

[ashen jungle]

Amherst.

[torn shoal]

but since they are lunatics too, they just deviate too much and fk up everything

[torn shoal]

bless you

[glad spruce]

It's probably not a good sign that I remember a lot of characters in the games

And the novels

[torn shoal]

havent read the novels

they any good ?

[glad spruce]

Operation Crossroads? Yeah, they're good novels. They help ground the universe in terms of how Division agents engage in combat and has fun characters.

A number of characters from those novels were mentioned in recent seasons

[sick lantern]

Broken Dawn being the forgotten stepchild as usual

[glad spruce]

I haven't read it yet, so I can't give my assessment

[gaunt ice]

ive never read a single division book

i heard they're good tho

[sleek plover]

I am still rather confused what Freeman from resurgence stand for.

If they are like reverse LMB, like extreme democrats or serious ideological anarchists, I would definitely support them

[wicked gorge]

Broken dawn was the first division book I read as its always gonna be my favorite

[torn shoal]

the fk is extreme democrat lmao

[ashen jungle]

@sleek plover Okay time to tone it back for a while, this channel is for discussing the lore of div, those kind of conversations are best left for another server.

[true fox]

@glad spruce

[glad spruce]

Yes?

[true fox]

The glasses code

Being in Vanguard season, communication called: The Plan

Who will be the "Lady"?

Claire?

[sleek plover]

Oh i didnt meant the political party Democrat, but more like democracy-supporters

[torn shoal]

yeah but as rivens says, thats off discord topic

[sleek plover]

It was a speculation about the freeman faction in division resurgence, which somehow still haven't come out yet despite I saw vids of missions

[ashen jungle]

"Vids of missions"?

[sleek plover]

some boss fights or sth that was available on youtube for a while

Still couldn't figure out what is actually going on in-game, probably it is meant to be that way.

[torn shoal]

if it hasnt come out yet its prob placeholder

and cant be relied on

[ashen jungle]

If it hasn't come out yet, then it's breaking Rule #6 so drop it.

[sleek plover]

yea, that I agree.

sure

[ashen jungle]

We've seen accounts that post leaked info around be perma-banned, Ubi take those leaks pretty seriously.

[glad spruce]

I'm thinking Glasses code means the code that Theo Parnell programmed in Keener's plan to undermine Black Tusk

I have no idea what Lady means. Maybe the FOB that Keener set up his Rogue Network under the Statue of Liberty?

[ashen jungle]

What's the full context of the comm/whatever?

I doubt he'd use Liberty Island again, BT know about that already.

[gaunt ice]

tbf the safest place is where they’re least expected

BT took a fat L back then

but then again it was a catch 22

[ashen jungle]

BT tried using a Razorback, a thing we famously have killed before, and it was a worse one than at Dark Hours.
If I didn't know better, I'd say that assault was designed to fail.

[gaunt ice]

without the Agent he’s probably a skeleton now

[gaunt ice]

we were a surprise element no?

[ashen jungle]

I mean, BT tried blowing up the ferries to stop us, they knew we were coming.

[gaunt ice]

and tbh i considered the new razorback to be an upgrade since the last one was mostly immobile

[gaunt ice]

and then they gunned it down saying “target down”

[ashen jungle]

BT soldiers being incompetent and BT themselves being calculating coexist a lot in this game.

[gaunt ice]

i mean we have plot armor so

[ashen jungle]

e.g. they found Keener's hideout, but then sent only a few dozen troops and an experimental Warhound to take it out.

[gaunt ice]

its not that they’re incompetent Division is like fodder to them

but we’re just that good

[ashen jungle]

I like to think there's an accountant that was a legacy hire and Sokolova isn't allowed to fire him and he keeps making cost-cutting decisions.

[gaunt ice]

like 1 guy tbf

[ashen jungle]

I'm picturing him being played by that one guy from White Collar.

the one who passed away.

[gaunt ice]

does money even matter in the world rn lol

[glad spruce]

I'd argue the DH versin of Razorback was the most advanced. But because we killed it, BT had to do cost-cutting measures to deploy more in Liberty Island and during their attack on the White House

[ashen jungle]

Wish.com Razorback, gotcha.

[gaunt ice]

i wouldn’t say cost cutting its more like an improved version imo

more mobile n all that

the old one was stationery and too clunky

[ashen jungle]

Well we get paid in crypto, so clearly it has a value somewhere.
BT troops won't work for free. You have to imagine that they take some kind of salary. Has that been explored in a book or whatever?

[gaunt ice]

i mean its an apocalypse

“getting paid” means shelter,clean clothes and warm food

[ashen jungle]

I mean sure you can clean up or whatever for that, but charging into a line of gunfire and infinite turrets is gonna require some benefits. I hope they get Dental.

[gaunt ice]

wow you cant even say the word for digital money

[ashen jungle]

#modprivileges.

Try "BT fun bucks".

[gaunt ice]

SHD coins

[ashen jungle]

Sokolova Dollars. Perfect.

[gaunt ice]

the stuff Keener invested in and lost millions on before the outbreak

[ashen jungle]

I hope that's what Agents get paid in and he's really salty about it.

"if you didnt go rogue, your investment would've been amazing"

[gaunt ice]

imagine committing mass murder because you invested in a bad coin

[ashen jungle]

See this is a sign that I'm a big nerd. I want to know how the economics of the world work more than I want to know about the secret society running the world.

[gaunt ice]

i think its been said somewhere that BT is very loyal to Sokolova or something

[sick lantern]

the LMB had their own wifi so BT probably have some perks

[gaunt ice]

its kinda like an LMB situation imo
yea they’re fascists but its either that or you die on the streets from being cold,or hungry,or rikers gunning you down,or all the above

[ashen jungle]

Meanwhile the JTF/peacekeepers are over here just living their best life, no evil required.

[glad spruce]

Year 5 Season 1 Comms. Doctor Mitchell Billings got debriefed with Manny after his rescue where he talked about how BT soldiers respect Sokolova and share loyalty towards her

[gaunt ice]

nice

[sick lantern]

Hunted shows what life is like for a VIP in a BT controlled city and it’s basically sweet
besides the ||forced complacency through non consensual drugging||

[gaunt ice]

is that for hunters orrr just everyone in it

[sick lantern]

was for Maira

[ashen jungle]

Worlds ending, I guess it beats having to shovel bodies like they're snow.

[gaunt ice]

could that be what they gave Mari

and thats why she appeared sus in y5s1

find out next time on Division Ball Z

[sick lantern]

semi plausible thinking about it

[ashen jungle]

There's a character called Mairi and Mari? The latter I know.

[glad spruce]

Two characters

[gaunt ice]

Maira from the books idk

[glad spruce]

Maira Kanhai and Mari Singh

[ashen jungle]

That's....okay that's ridiculous.

[sick lantern]

Maira is the MC from Operation Crossroads she’s pretty cool

[glad spruce]

Maira being the protagonist from Operation Crossroads

[gaunt ice]

cant wait for Mannys distant cousin Manno

[glad spruce]

And Mari Singh, well I'm sure y'all know her already

Maira is Indian-American, so there's that

[true fox]

What happened to the Kansas core?

[ashen jungle]

@gaunt ice Make his cousin evil and ANNA can make the ultimate pun.

[glad spruce]

It was detailed in Recruited novel.

||Rogue Agent Rowan O'Shea with a cohort of Outcasts attacked the core in an attempt to disrupt the SHD Network||

[ashen jungle]

Introducing the new characters: Paul, Pual, and Palu.

[glad spruce]

Very funny

[gaunt ice]

Face me Manny, Mano e mano

[ashen jungle]

Oh cmon, we already had to take the doctor that could've saved us all be a name that sounds like "candle", as in, "a candle to light the way".

[gaunt ice]

hmm you guys remember Birdie?

[glad spruce]

Doctor Kandel

[glad spruce]

I sure do, thanks to two Descent comms from weeks ago

[ashen jungle]

I legit didn't know Birdie was related to who she was until like 2 weeks ago.

had it totally backwards.

[gaunt ice]

wasn’t there a B plot about how she an the Malik guy is related

[glad spruce]

She's Vikram's adopted sister

[ashen jungle]

Yeah see she is, but I thought she was Manny's.

from the dialogue.

[glad spruce]

Not much of a b plot, more of a something from a throwaway line

[gaunt ice]

that explains their cocky attitude tbh

its cool tho

i like the Malik guy a bit more

[glad spruce]

Vik's an arse, but I like him

[gaunt ice]

not a wise idea to keep him around tbh given that he betrayed us,and then BT too think?

did he work for them and then turn coat or did they snatch him from the streets

[sick lantern]

there was some comms about how Natalya forced him

how convenient!

[gaunt ice]

fair nuf

[glad spruce]

He worked for them at a time, forced to betray the Division by Nat, then cut loose after Nat decided she no longer needs him

[sick lantern]

and then we got him back from the BT, off screen
then he got kidnapped again, offscreen
then we saved him in that manhunt

[ashen jungle]

Vik's been half-betraying us for literal years now, although ingame its been months so that kinda makes the issue funnier.
But at least he's honest about being awful.

[gaunt ice]

wait he did?

the latter part i mean

cuz im pretty sure we found Birdie in the manhunt not Vik

[glad spruce]

Yes, back in Y5S2.

[sick lantern]

prior to that

[glad spruce]

He was the last civilian target was rescued

[sick lantern]

when manhunts became mansaves for a period

now they’re youtrials

[glad spruce]

It still counts as a Manhunt IMO

[gaunt ice]

its just hunts

[glad spruce]

At the end of the day, Year 5 Season 2 was about hunting the Recruiter

[ashen jungle]

Not one single reference to The Fugitive throughout, I'm disappointed.

[gaunt ice]

im still confused

why aren’t we reactivating the SHD node under Jefferson

was it ever mentioned that BT also killed it?

i assumed that to be a plot hole but idk maybe theres a stupid explanation somewhere?

[glad spruce]

We stopped Black Tusk before they deactivated the SHD Node in Jefferson

In fact, when we went in the node room, we stopped the countdown that would've disabled the node

[sick lantern]

they did something else this time

[gaunt ice]

and we’re still relying on the mobile server

[glad spruce]

Yes,

The SHD Network got back on after the White House attack

[gaunt ice]

like i thought the point of the bunker and jefferson is to reactivate the local network without relying on the mobile server

and then bunker to reactivate the network as a whole

[glad spruce]

The mobile server is an insurance policy against any further attacks on the network

[gaunt ice]

ok but then why didn’t we use the normal network in white oaks

we’ve been there twice with the network active and its well within range so the explanation that its out of range is not it

like if i were Manny thats the moment i’d see through Johnson’s disguise

[glad spruce]

Because the network wasn't 100% fixed and we needed the server, which Johnson had in his custody at the time in White Oak

[gaunt ice]

that we handed it to him for that operation

ehh i guess fair explanation

[wicked gorge]

While being a lot more mobile, it lost a lot of its defensive abilities and lost the FANG micro missiles it had so its more of a double edged sword

[gaunt ice]

trading armor for mobility is fair

and the missile barrage feels like a desperate measure for them to scrap it all up

its just 4 AA guns hooked into the razorback

and it has to be manually activated with the chungas

[wicked gorge]

Those are missiles, the razorback in dark hours is able to deploy micro-missiles from itself

It takes away from both offense and defensive capabilities

[sick lantern]

just gonna put this out there
one singular model of the superior version and then multiple examples of the inferior, DAE another mgs reference!?!?

[wicked gorge]

Never played mgs so I totally agree

[sick lantern]

Massive are Metal Gear fans with there being multiple MGS references in the franchise; the Zoo secret boss is a reference to a boss from MGS3 and Snake’s bandana can be found in game
my conspiracy theory is that WoNY was inspired by/referencing MGS2 as it has some ehh you know kinda similar elements/moments

[wicked gorge]

I was not expecting a full analysis but I appreciate it, im probably gonna try the remake game coming up and if I like it, I’ll play through the rest

[wicked gorge]

So its a coincidence but you think not?

[sick lantern]

basically lol

if you take Keener as Solidus and the BT as the Patriots it starts to make sense

the Zoo boss is literally a reference though fyi.

to The Pain from MGS3, a dude who was a living beehive or whatever
you need to shoot beehives to get the secret boss, he throws out Stinger Hives which is basically attacking you with robot bees, and his name “The Agony” is synonymous with “The Pain”

[ornate gull]

I was thinking

Why LMB recruiter/assimilate are alway put on WT instead of BT private?

[near totem]

Well, The LMB is much more trained and experienced than a normal recruit. Both sides recruited almost the same people (vets, pmcs, or just people with experience in the field) but the LMB survived in NYC during winter after they got almost wiped out, and they fought against The SHD almost from the start.

So one WT private equals 10 BT privates

[ornate gull]

So LMB in term of combat, far better than BT

Without reliable on tech

[wicked gorge]

Far better than regular recruits

Against higher ranked soldiers it differs

Still crazy to say the only bt unit we’re fighting in dc is the btsu and not the entire black tusk army

[near totem]

I think a White Tusk soldier is 2 ranks above Black tusk

[wicked gorge]

White tusk aren’t really mentioned in cannon so they’re probably on par with the btsu

[torn shoal]

i dont even know if white tusk are canon at all tbh

a white uniform is a bad thing in combat

wouldnt make sense

[wicked gorge]

Especially in summer

[ornate gull]

Well the lore do say LMB asset are assimilate into BT

[wicked gorge]

If white tusk arent cannon, then the Lmb would probably be assimilated into the btsu due to their training

[near totem]

A full black kit isnt great too

[ornate gull]

White uniform usually spell 'death'

[sick lantern]

I don’t think that’s true

the BTSU is/was Schaeffer and his squad (Bonney… can’t remember the others lmao)

[wicked gorge]

Im 50/50 on it so im not 100% sure on right but I think NGN mentioned it in one of his videos

[near totem]

So BT existed before green poison?

[sick lantern]

yea

[ornate gull]

Yes

[wicked gorge]

Si

[near totem]

In the same form?

[ornate gull]

They're PMC

[sick lantern]

not everything NGN says is true

[sick lantern]

yes

[wicked gorge]

Blasphemy

[torn shoal]

its much better for night operations to not get spotted

[sick lantern]

they knew the outbreak was coming, conspiracy, etc etc

[torn shoal]

and to use darkness as a ressource

[wicked gorge]

All factions have poor outfits for combat, us included

[torn shoal]

yeah well, all factions take 50 bullets to the head to die

[ornate gull]

Div1 agent tank without plate

[torn shoal]

and for some reason your kneepads make your bullets do more damage

[wicked gorge]

You mean Santa Claus

[torn shoal]

so white uniform doesnt really matter

[near totem]

Dark camo works a bit better

[torn shoal]

but i dont think its lore accurate

[torn shoal]

yeah i know but this is a game, you dont need to be accurate 100%

[sick lantern]

sighhhhh

[torn shoal]

thats why we take 50 bullets to the head

[wicked gorge]

How far back you scroll?

[ornate gull]

While still alive?

Same question as why we still able to revive after being Axe by Hunter

[sick lantern]

it’s like the third time this month I’ve had to bring that quote up lol

just search for a keyword

[wicked gorge]

Its better not to question the mix of gameplay and lore

So a hunter in the books confirm the white tusk exist

[torn shoal]

how do we survive grenade blasts or rpg xd

[near totem]

I know, they probably using it inky because they have black in they name

[wicked gorge]

The power of friendship and cocktails

[ornate gull]

And nanotech

I say medkit are better than plate

[near totem]

Strong painkillers, adrenaline, nanotech and luck

[wicked gorge]

The medkits are the cocktails if im right

[near totem]

Yep

[sick lantern]

no I mean literally the White Tusk show up in the book

wearing the white armour, and explicitly saying that they’re LMB who joined the BT

[wicked gorge]

I haven’t read anything past recruited so

[near totem]

An exotic that would replace idk nades with 2 cocktails would be cool

[ornate gull]

What do we call First Aid?

Cocktail too?

[sick lantern]

nanomachines probably

[near totem]

Yeah

Its just old healing chem launcher

[wicked gorge]

Consume one cocktail to pull out a baseball bat and run at the enemies screaming

[ornate gull]

And support station as nano dispenser

[near totem]

YEah but in the next 3 mins you get massive debuffs that would only go away if you take the next one

"Lore accurate"

[ornate gull]

Overdose

[near totem]

50% of those cocktails are just drugs

The other 50% is nanotech and something medical

[ornate gull]

And drug somehow give immunity

[glad spruce]

Yes

[ornate gull]

But do nothing against septic

[wicked gorge]

My brain hurts from plot holes

[near totem]

If you are high on morphine and adreanaline you dont fell a thing

[near totem]

I think an infection is much harder to cure

[ornate gull]

Like the one from judge dredd?

[glad spruce]

What are you guys even talking about?

Is this about Survival?

[wicked gorge]

I believe so

[near totem]

It started about lmb

[ornate gull]

There always room for multiple discussion

[wicked gorge]

Like the owl society

[ornate gull]

Until we know when it end

[near totem]

Do we know who is "the boss" that schaeffer reports to in bt comms?

[glad spruce]

Some shmuck CEO who likely got sacked after we stopped Black Tusk's invasion and Tidal Basin

[ornate gull]

Wonder when we reach BT "General Assembly"

Kill BT CO

[near totem]

I think we will have to wait for that

[glad spruce]

They have bunkers, so it won't be easy

[near totem]

And they will just switch leaders

Have we ever seen BT surrendering?

[glad spruce]

No

The only way BT would probably surrender is if we dispose Natalya Sokolova and that won't be easy

[ornate gull]

I mean we practically disarray most faction

By kill their previous Leader and Rogue that reorganized them

So how hard it would be

Oh wait

[torn shoal]

tbh i dont understand why bt doesnt just overrun the white house

[ornate gull]

It won't be easy

[torn shoal]

they def have the manpower

[ornate gull]

To kill natalya

We have to "General Assembly" Hunter 1st

Hunt down every last of em

Then next is BT

Keener have the list

[gaunt ice]

anyone who runs is a VC BT

anyone who stays is a well disciplined VC BT

joke aside uhhh since we're on good terms with Keener can we ask him for that funny watch dogs phone he has

the one that he use to instantly incapacitate anyone with a sliver of tech on them while also instantly hijacking all drones

that would sorta cripple the black tusk or instanty change the dynamic of the fight really,really fast due to how reliant they are with their tech

i can see it being used to remotely activate explosive drones,airbursts,turn the warhounds against them

if they had a marauder its game over for them

[ornate gull]

Warhound and Chimera gonna be difficult to hack

[gaunt ice]

if they run on the same network there's no reason why it would be harder to hack them

[near totem]

Are there still places that are f under full control of the JTF or the National Guard?

[torn shoal]

white house, haven, nothing else is mentionned

[glad spruce]

Every time the Hyena grenadier barks "I know who you are", my ears perk up

[surreal quail]

@glad spruce do you see a Puff of white smoke when you shoot them?

[glad spruce]

Shoot who?

[surreal quail]

Hyenas

[glad spruce]

Not really

[surreal quail]

Oh nevermind then

[torn shoal]

i do sometimes

i think its just the ending putting weird effects on hit

[ashen jungle]

To clarify: Haven is not under the control of the JTF, it's the Peacekeepers.

JTF don't really exist in NYC anymore, at least not to the extent they do in DC.

[torn shoal]

yeah i just meant allies/good guys

i dont even think jtf exist at all anymore, they were emergency service unit bundled together but everything has fallen now, there is no official job anymore

they dont even have uniforms

[ashen jungle]

JTF is the name that the faction that runs the "good guys" in DC uses, so JTF is who they are.
Officially existing or not.

[torn shoal]

then i guess peacekeepers are part of them too

since its just a faction

[ashen jungle]

Nope, Peacekeepers go by a different name.

[torn shoal]

yeah but whats the difference beside location ?

[ashen jungle]

If they were called "Jeff and Friends", they'd be called that.

Respect the names people choose for themsef.

[torn shoal]

except twitter

[ashen jungle]

A corporation is not a person.
but regardless: the person who changed the name still refers to the old name when talking about it. If he doesn't care, why should anyone else.

[full pulsar]

in the US the lines are a little blurred

[torn shoal]

oh i found the difference between jtc in dc and thoses peacekeeper in ny

peacekeeper dont work with division now

they got too many rogues they said

[ashen jungle]

Thankfully I'm not in the US, although even over there is shouldn't be a blurred line. Companies are not your friend.
In case people here haven't played WONY in a while, they try to shoot you in the face as soon as you walk up to Haven, they super don't like SHD Agents.

[torn shoal]

yeah in the us corporation have more rights than human being lmao

talk about distopia

reminds me of community episode with subway

very good laugh material

[sudden mortar]

More about capitalism but yeah.

[full pulsar]

the good old USA. where corporations donating massive sums of money to political campaignsis considered speech. buying politicians is free speech somehow

[ashen jungle]

It's going to bug me if I don't say it. It's Dystopia, although both should be grammatically correct as it's the same greek-root word.

okay nerd-out over.

[torn shoal]

yeah but the english language deserve no respect

🏴‍☠️

aight memeing over

[ashen jungle]

It's old-greek not english, but sure.

[full pulsar]

fight the system! spell stuff wrong

[ashen jungle]

Careful, someone might go Rouge.

Okay take a Memento to think about it.

I'm quite proud of that double tortured pun.

[full pulsar]

lol

[near totem]

So after we cleared the Tidal Basin, it stayed empty?

[cursive tapir]

Up until Hornet went there, presumably so

[glad spruce]

And it was later taken over by BT Operative Cursed during the events of Season 11

[ashen jungle]

I've always wondered, do BT have an actual name for Tidal Basin?

[torn shoal]

"the place where wyvern fked up"

[ashen jungle]

If BT are really as military as their tacti-cool cosplay outfits appear to imply, then it should have some kind of boring technical name.
Even something like "Washington DC Stronghold Base, #1" or whatever.

[torn shoal]

"respawn place"

[wicked gorge]

I find it funny they just left 3 hovercrafts in dc and never tried to reclaim them

[torn shoal]

i mean they left a ton of stuff everywhere not just thoses

[ashen jungle]

One has bits of JTF pilot in it, and that stain never washes out right.

[torn shoal]

yeah i wonder why they didnt take the other overcraft then

when it happenned

[wicked gorge]

Plot hole

[ashen jungle]

I believe it is explained in the mission itself if you replay it.

[wicked gorge]

They know the division wouldn’t hold the site so they just said nah we dont need it

[torn shoal]

i only remember wyvern was mad

[wicked gorge]

I haven’t touched tidal basin in awhile, too lazy to do the invaded missions

[ashen jungle]

It still holds up from a story+gameplay perspective. Easily my favourite stronghold overall.

[torn shoal]

its the best stronghold imo

[wicked gorge]

Would we count stranded tanker and Wall Street as strongholds?

Same as liberty island

[ashen jungle]

Even if we do, my vote remains unchanged.

[wicked gorge]

Do I wanna know why y’all were talking about corporations earlier?

[ashen jungle]

I mean technically White Oak is a major power-base for BT, so you could argue there. But it's debatable.

[wicked gorge]

Good enough answer

[sick lantern]

tbf, that could easily be true lmfao

[wicked gorge]

If we view the certain missions as strongholds, my favorite would be liberty island or Wall Street, actual strongholds would be Tidal Basin or Roosevelt Island

[wicked gorge]

Im pretty sure in the season 10 manhunt final cutscene, Anderson mentioned the division would move on from the power plant and they would reclaim it

[ashen jungle]

SHD walks out of Countdown, every enemy faction immediately walks back in.

BT show up 5 minutes later to all out war.

[torn shoal]

then we take it back

[ashen jungle]

I'm picturing McManus showing up like Troy with the pizza.

[torn shoal]

and then we leave again and poof it happen again

[wicked gorge]

Black Tusk loses a site and leaves valuable equipment, shd doesn’t take anything from it and it gets invaded again

[torn shoal]

great reference

community my beloved

[wicked gorge]

Imagine after Dark Hours, the division went back into the airport and got samples of the riot gas and boomers armor

[torn shoal]

i dont think shd agent can use enemy equipment

tho it contradict the entire looting mechanic xd

[wicked gorge]

SHD agents are trained to improvise and adapt, often using the equipment in the environment to their advantage, basically if the enemy has something more effective than your arsenal, you take it

[ashen jungle]

"improvise and adapt, but only if it fits your fashion", was an odd directive to add, but I respect it.

[torn shoal]

gotta have swag agents otherwise its pointless

[wicked gorge]

See that enemy, he doesn’t have shit we need, but he’s got a very nice pink beanie

[torn shoal]

my world for beanies and hoods in div2

[wicked gorge]

I mean some outfits have hoods, before the keener outfit came out, I ran the fire hoodie

90 degrees and carrying over 100 pounds of equipment but least the drip still hits

[ashen jungle]

I read that as celcius at first and was very concerned.

[torn shoal]

same lol

anyone surviving 90° will def survive next thousand years to come

[wicked gorge]

American and not really familiar with celcius

[ashen jungle]

32f is 0 celc

[torn shoal]

celsius degrees are like 0° = water freeze, 100° water boils

[wicked gorge]

Ahh

Curse the world for having different temps

[torn shoal]

i mean, countries could just adopt a new one

others have done it before

even the uk has some of thoses measure unit adopted

[wicked gorge]

They taught us Celsius in high school, but i was more fond of world and us history than science

[torn shoal]

yeah i learned a lot of us history too, but not the kind i can speak of in this discord xd

[wicked gorge]

No country is clean, thats what I learned

[torn shoal]

that sure is true

but some cant even compare

[wicked gorge]

Fair, I liked studying more on wars and conflicts, it also brought happiness when I did the secret mission in div 2 that gave you the service uniform

[torn shoal]

which one ?

[wicked gorge]

It’s one of the missions at launch, i cant remember the name but it made you dress like a vet at the end of WWII

Let me look rq

[torn shoal]

is it a classified mission ?

i havent bought them

[wicked gorge]

No, it was in the game before classified missions came out

@torn shoal it’s the Retro Field Uniform, if you want I can get a picture and put it in the fashion tab

[torn shoal]

nah its ok, i just dont remember the mission

[wicked gorge]

It was one of the secret missions at launch, iirc it had something to do with the oss but that was years ago in 2019

Am I insane but the comn Dying Breath under Keeners Legacy, does the unknown rogue sound like Sokolova

[sick lantern]

ubi does like reusing VA's

you can hear Adewale's VA across Far Cry 2 and AC Rogue for example

[wicked gorge]

Never played rogue and never started fc2, I need to tho

I just wanted to make sure I wasn’t going insane

[fringe gale]

me when i played ghost recon wildlands and div2 back to back

[glad spruce]

Coincidentally, Bridgette Douglas and Claire Ortiz share the same VAs

[ashen jungle]

The fact that Lau was Lucy from the Rookie is still throwing me off.

although Keener being in Midsummer Murders I can accept.

[chrome pilot]

The wut?

[ashen jungle]

The former is a TV show starring Nathan Fillion, Lau's VA is an actor on that.

[chrome pilot]

I see

[ashen jungle]

the latter is the best cop show ever made.

well, was. Nettles forever.

But I digress. How caught up in the lore are you?

[torn shoal]

nathan fillon my beloved

firefly will still be forever missed

[torn shoal]

tho its hard to agree on that xd

funny how vastly different our tastes in media are but we still got common ground

to me columbo is better

[chrome pilot]

In?

[wicked gorge]

In div 1, one of the cops from the riker video has manny’s va

[ashen jungle]

.....div2.

[chrome pilot]

Not too good tbh

Since i join late so i dont know how the story progress after kenner “death” in the WLON expansion

[torn shoal]

did you follow div 1 lore ?

[chrome pilot]

Yes

I just dont know if it related much or not tbh

Since D1 story is pretty straightforward

[torn shoal]

tbh you should just replay every manhunt

you'll figure out a lot more

[chrome pilot]

Im stuck at agent johnson boss fight atm

He is a hunter, i know that atleast

[torn shoal]

did you do previous ma,nhunts ?

[chrome pilot]

Yes, one by one in order

[torn shoal]

yeah but if you didnt farm them you didnt got all comms

so you're missing a lot

[chrome pilot]

Idk tbh

Cant do other boss fight until the main boss is already a big loss for me

[torn shoal]

i mean why do you play heroic tho ?

play on normal and get the story

[chrome pilot]

I want some challenge also

[torn shoal]

well, sounds like you got more than what you can chew

[chrome pilot]

Tbh, agent johnson is the only boss fight i got problem fighting atm

All of the other boss fight in heroic, no issue at all

[torn shoal]

he aint that hard tbh, just stay in cover, wait for timing, then shoot

but he got a real mechanic

[chrome pilot]

His fight is way more different compare to the rest

[torn shoal]

where other boss didnt, they were just meatbags

i prefer a boss where i have to think and not just click heads

[chrome pilot]

I also like kenner boss fight

[torn shoal]

meh, keener wasnt really intense

[chrome pilot]

Faye lau is….. fine i guess (same with the other boss)

I do like keener because he’s actual taunting you mid fight

And messing up your tech

[torn shoal]

yeah it was more of a real mission not a manhunt

[chrome pilot]

And maybe because he actually fight you alone

Which already showed that he’s actually a really good agent

[torn shoal]

yeah but recruiter isnt stoopid like keener

he aint an agent, he is a hunter

[chrome pilot]

He used to be one

Hunter is just agent imo

Just switch side

[torn shoal]

no, hunter hunts agents, they dont switch side

they are very much enemies

[chrome pilot]

They hunt agent that “step over the line” but i dont see what we did is step over the line

[torn shoal]

thats cause you didnt listen to jhonson speech

during the fight he explain why u are the rogue for them

and why he hunts you

[chrome pilot]

Just because i join kelso?

But why kelso?

[torn shoal]

cause kelso is leading the agents in dc

and in the fight against bt

[chrome pilot]

Now this is just getting more confusing

[torn shoal]

how ?

hunters are here to kill agents that dont follow dod

dod is mc manus

[chrome pilot]

Dod?

[torn shoal]

dept of defense

[sick lantern]

wrong department

Department of Homeland Security

[chrome pilot]

Maybe i should actual do all the main hunt first

[sick lantern]

anyone mcmanus doesn't like*

[chrome pilot]

I cant understand all these at all

[torn shoal]

they arent in lore

they are just cool stuff to kill and get mask

[sick lantern]

wut

[ornate gull]

Basically Hunter are Mcmanus personal lap dog

He order, they do on his behalf

[ashen jungle]

Imagine being a government's private soldier/black ops specialist.
No no, ignore the Homeland patch we have on our arm.

[true fox]

At what point did Natalya Sokolova use a countermeasure to disable the traitors' network?

[chrome pilot]

Oh

Is this mcmanus a mentally stable guy or just another nut case?

And what is his motive after all of this? Since he just sent hunter to kill any agent that doesnt follow him?

[glad spruce]

McManus wants to restore the United States government by any means necessary

[ornate gull]

And forget power hungry too

[ashen jungle]

I did not understand more than 3 words of that entire paragraph.

[ashen jungle]

If that was the case, then he literally has an Agency in the SHD whose sole purpose is that, but what he actually wants is to have the power himself.

[ornate gull]

Well too bad for him

He recruited some bunch of goodie two shoes Agent ready to throw all his plan to dumpster

[ashen jungle]

Unless it's going to turn out that the Agent working for him is our div1 protag', then he's pretty dumb to not try and get the div1 Agent/Sherriff from div2.
That is of course assuming that it was canonically 1 person and not dozens, which it very well could be.

[ornate gull]

Or If you stick to your own lore

The div2 agent you control is div1 agent

[ashen jungle]

My lore? I never said I believed they were the same person.
IIRC what I said is that it's grey-canon, so it hasn't been made official one way or the other, so it could be.

[ornate gull]

Simplified

• You work as Commander of PMC/Battalion/Naval Base of different world and do usual task like everyday but suddenly the SHD watch activate and glowing. You know you have been called so you put everything behind and don your gear
• The SHD watch are custom made that have function to move between world, the function remain inactive until you being deactivated

[ashen jungle]

So you wrote a fan-fic?

[ornate gull]

Sort off or AU

Where SHD technology advanced enough that can communicate to alternative Earth

[ashen jungle]

We've unfortunately had to blanket-ban fan fics after someone wrote out an entire story on here once.

[ornate gull]

Guess he can't hold back urge to share

[sick lantern]

not to be a hater or anything but it was some of the most cringe sh_t you could ever see

[ornate gull]

Well Human make mistake all the time

[torn shoal]

That's all they can do

[waxen sonnet]

Webkinz being out intrusive thoughts of the server come true 🤣

I mean so you're telling me Keener and mack don't run away and live happily ever after at the meret estate- fan fiction lied to me!

[gaunt ice]

i will make an uneducated guess and say that the i hate LMB guy wrote it

[sick lantern]

nah

if you go look through #fanart-and-photomode messages from last year you'll see them

[chrome pilot]

By killing agent that doesnt follow him?

And if that’s the case then why he dont tell that to the other agent

And just outright try to kill you in the agent johnson mission?

And after all of this, what is the hunter program?

Because the wiki said: “was a former Strategic Homeland Division agent turned member and designated recruiter for Calvin McManus's mysterious Hunter Program”

So we are working with the SHD
Meanwhile those guy leaving SHD to works for this hunter program
Then why are they calling us rouge instead of them?

Because they are still using SHD tech right?

[sick lantern]

because, they are traitors to the nation trying to justify themselves through a thin and false veil of legitimacy

"""technically""" we are rogue

but in actuality McManus has no authority over the SHD which answers only to the president

and McManus is a traitor for collaborating with a hostile occupying force on top of that

just like Ellis, working against him is following the mission

the Hunters don't even know what they're talking about
the one you kill after Johnson says "You should've let us recruit you" when they literally never even tried or offered

[chrome pilot]

Ye which is weird

Since they always stay in the dark and never said anything about recruitment

[sick lantern]

nor did Johnson ever offer a chance to not fight him (iirc)
nor did McManus or Ellis get the Black Tusk to not fight against the SHD
they are all the aggressors, and try to blame the SHD

[chrome pilot]

Ye

Agent main mission is still: “restore order to communities suffering from catastrophic events, institutional collapse, and societal breakdown” right?

[sick lantern]

yep, always has been

[chrome pilot]

I dont see anything in them beside causing more issue

[sick lantern]

"Save what remains"

[chrome pilot]

That’s why i dont see their view in this

Since the only thing they do is killing people that isnt with them

And siding with BT on top of that

The national zoo mission when you saving civilian also confuse me alot

Since the civilian actually try to run from you

[sick lantern]

BT have the resources to make a great propaganda state

you see more of that in Hunted

(the novel)

"we're the good guys and we have the resources and infrastructure to help"
but they only have that because they had prior knowledge of/a hand in starting the outbreak. and were actively destabilising the situation by enabling, supplying and allying with hostile factions

because all of them are two faced, lying, scum, and the objective villains of the setting

[chrome pilot]

Hm

Ye, i should do the last 3 manhunt for more info

Because somehow kenner still alive after that final fight with us

[sick lantern]

at this point in the universe
"abandoning all pretense of stealth for the impact of {your} presence" is a legitimate strategy so

that's another quote from Hunted for ya

[near totem]

LMB doesnt care about Friendly fire

They probably just yell "Danger Close" and fire

Because those guys in that APC did not care, atleast 15 guys got burned to ash because the crew didnt care they were there

[gaunt ice]

“since when does Shepherd care about danger close”

[gaunt ice]

which APC tho

[near totem]

The Falcon Lost one

[gaunt ice]

ah

[near totem]

Every 10s i heard their screams

[gaunt ice]

i think we blew it up by rigging c4 to the sides?

[near totem]

Yep

[gaunt ice]

usually when you yell danger close that means the people raining fire just need to be extra aware of where they shoot

[waxen sonnet]

Danger close is normally mainly for the real heavy stuff too, Artillery, Mortars, Bombs etc

[wicked gorge]

It’s convenient how some operators were carrying c4 with them during the assault

Luckily the division doesn’t believe In danger close due to all agents being immune to friendly fire

[glad spruce]

Too bad the mortars Birdie used in White Oak staggered us often lol

[waxen sonnet]

FR But at that close in real life I reckon we'd be dead from shrappnel alone given some of those ranges

[glad spruce]

Which only makes me brainstorm how a realistic shooter set in the Division universe would work.

[ornate gull]

Restore Order, Protect the remain
After that, deactivated and sleeper again

As Benitez answer to JTF in div1 phone recorder.

[glad spruce]

But as always with life, its never that simple

[wicked gorge]

I want the dog in haven having a division watch on one of his legs

Game changing no, adorable yes

[strange rock]

So what happened to the eclipse virus

[wicked gorge]

Plot hole

Keener probably has a storage of it but probably doesn’t want to use it until all his cards are on the table

[glad spruce]

Also, Compromised novel features Rogue Agents with a supply of Eclipse, so there's that

[gaunt ice]

nomad meta

[glad spruce]

And mind you, the novel takes place months after the game's current timeline

[wicked gorge]

So Keener being alive isn’t really known about then

[ornate gull]

I been wonder

How come most faction keep remain in DZ

When contaminated level can be unpredictable lethal

[wicked gorge]

Cleaners wanted to rid the virus with fire, explaining why there the only faction in the subway tunnels full of contamination and during pocket burst, LMB hold the mid to high section of the DZ due to most of the equipment and strategic areas being around the area, Rikers probably go in there to kill people or the ones in the dz were trapped in the quarantine. Div 2, all the dzs aren’t contaminated with the virus due to the die out period or use of DC-62, however the dzs are packet full of DC-62 and while it’s lost a lot of its potency, it still requires respiratory protection and decontamination of equipment

Black Tusk invade dz’s to scavenge for equipment and potentially green poison samples to use against us

[ornate gull]

Do you thinking of one day Keener will use his virus on BT one day?

The one that Tchernenko being force to make

[cold bramble]

You talking about an attack like city hall at the start of wony?

[strange rock]

We destroyed all of it when we killed Hornet

Let's see what happens next but it's definitely a big plot hole to me

[torn shoal]

He can always make more

He has the formula from vitaly

[sick lantern]

made me think
honestly isn't it a bit weird that Keener's whole thing was making new viruses then he suddenly pulls the rogue network out, now that he's back he hasn't said a word about Tchernenko or anything

imagine if Keener's plan was to make a new virus and then distribute the cure to allied settlements, the division etc, and let it wipe out the black tusk

that'd be a more engaging plot IMO

we'd have to think are the risks and collateral damage worth it

[sick lantern]

i guess technically there's still time for that to maybe be his plan
but i doubt it

[strange rock]

Yeah the story pacing is bit off, bring back Keener and no reference to what he did before
Plus his weird fake death lol
Dlc I feel has to explain quite a lot of things

[wicked gorge]

Eclipse now is probably Keeners last option for the black tusk now that he has the tech and equipment to establish the rogue network

[torn shoal]

i dont think so, the rogue network can really hurt bt as a whole

no need for eclipse tho it could be strong

[sick lantern]

eclipse was such a dumb idea on keener's part
an eclipse payload, is an obvious target. it does its damage in only a single instance, it can be attacked before that happens, it can kill but it can't self propagate
he should've kept with his original plan of making a new -proper- virus and using that to destabilise, etc. it's an invisible killer that forces constant vigilance

[strange rock]

Like how is keener able to hack marauders and war hounds but not the razorback
Trying to make sense of the plot

[torn shoal]

he could imo but since agents were near he didnt need to

[sick lantern]

considering his plan failed i would say he did indeed seemingly need to