division-universe

[desert flint]

odessa?

[sudden mortar]

The memento benefits a lot from the traps if you use emp pulse

[waxen sonnet]

Odessa is not an active agent, retired as WIA Due to that injury to lead the Theatre

[fresh nymph]

Unless those are classified status watches, why would the 3 rogues need em

Then again, keeners watch isn't red right now

[waxen sonnet]

True, I dont entirely know

[fresh nymph]

Would be funny if they are tho

[desert flint]

yh.... or that woman in pentagon?

[fresh nymph]

Another subset of watch mechanics

[fresh nymph]

Sanders? Was thinking that

[desert flint]

yhyh

[wicked gorge]

Did we get a cutscene for the beginning of this season?

[desert flint]

no

just a message from keener

[waxen sonnet]

Agent Sanders is possible, but we rarely see sanders enough to tell.

[cold bramble]

Any chance we go to Brooklyn for one or two missions next season?

[fresh nymph]

I'm doubtful

They'd leave the map for the dlc

[wicked gorge]

Cough cough potential hunter cough cough

[fresh nymph]

You think Sanders is a hunter?

[sour perch]

What about Agent De La Cruz? He could be a potential recruit for Keener.

[desert flint]

who?

[fresh nymph]

The other agent from the coastal settlement level 1 tutorial

Sanders, De La Cruz and us were there

[desert flint]

ahhhh

maybe him as well then

[fresh nymph]

Yknow, before black tusk decided to shell the place

[desert flint]

imagine

[fresh nymph]

Its not cause thats where Tidal Basin would be or anything

[waxen sonnet]

I have a horrible feeling not entirely wrong, or De La Cruz

[fresh nymph]

I've went to where TB would be before the invasion, its just a massive car pileup for an evac route

[wicked gorge]

You ever expect Johnson to be a hunter? Its just one of those theories

[wicked gorge]

He was an agent from the prologue right?

[sour perch]

Yes

[waxen sonnet]

And the agent who survives Eclipse at City hall in NY, slumped up against the reception desk

[fresh nymph]

Johnson only really had appearances back before the game actually was a thing

Ig he was scrapped and then they reused him

[wicked gorge]

Yeah but in those appearances you ever expect him to be a hunter

[fresh nymph]

True

[wicked gorge]

We’ve only seen sanders a few times so it’s possible

[fresh nymph]

Would be funny encountering her as a hunter for example, then just doing the BTSU Pentagon story after

It's probably in theory possible cause boosting doesn't complete off site missions

Unless they yknow, just give us a level 40 boost or smth, by the time of brooklyn

[wicked gorge]

||Nothing can convince me that Keener hasn’t watched all the saw movies||

[fresh nymph]

The traps?

[wicked gorge]

Yep

[fresh nymph]

Wasn't he using explosive traps in the control room

Those don't exist

Closest we have are the hunter shrapnel traps

[wicked gorge]

Explosive and shock traps

[cyan haven]

||Theo Parnell, since he wears glasses and is pretty much Keener’s tech guy||

[sudden mortar]

This one looks like a modified sharpnel trap with laser instead of proximity detection. Oh, the customized decoy just like those on Parnell's mission.

[fresh nymph]

Decoy mk2

[sour perch]

ANNA was just talking smack about ISAC the entire mission, was kinda funny.

[fresh nymph]

Isac not really identifying such a thing

[fresh nymph]

Honestly its the fact she was willing to take over isacs role but realised shes not like that

The sentience difference between em is crazy

[remote tree]

Anyone else missin colllectibles for the lore?

[sudden mortar]

Of course not, that's like Cortana speaking to Google Gemini

[fresh nymph]

Gotta replay the final mission probably

[sour perch]

"Ugh, no, ISAC. You can do it."

Almost lost focus at that.

[fresh nymph]

Then her losing her mind at ISAC finally identifying a rogue decoy

Actually new ISAC dialogue after 4 years

[sour perch]

Yep

About time

[fresh nymph]

I don't recall ISAC saying rogue decoy in theos wony mission

[remote tree]

Alright

[sudden mortar]

ISAC would be saying this the entire time on DZ lol

[sour perch]

Literally called back the VA just for him to say "Rogue decoy detected."

[fresh nymph]

Yeah its from killing that finale boss again

[remote tree]

||the new shrapnel traps were interesting but I had a heart attack when i saw Chimera. I said to myself, bro they brought back the flame doggy. Noooooo sir it was the flame doggy’s pissed off older brother||

[fresh nymph]

Probably got him to rerecord a bunch of lines, and a bunch of TD3 ones who knows

[sudden mortar]

PTSD

[fresh nymph]

I thought flame doggo was bad, this was way worse

Flame doggo can at least die relatively quickly with strikers

[sudden mortar]

|| I wonder if keener can reanimate us since he is an ally on the mission||

[wicked gorge]

Im scared to see the next warhound variant

[sour perch]

IT HAD ME SHIFTING AROUND EVERY CORNER SO I DIDNT DIE 😭

[wicked gorge]

Cant

[fresh nymph]

No, but he can go down lmao

Keener forgot to bring his rogue reviver hives

[remote tree]

||Your doppleganger knows more than what we know||

[sudden mortar]

Warhound with stinger hive running at you

[strange rock]

Vanilla vip

[remote tree]

NOOOOOOO

[fresh nymph]

Then again keener wouldn't really have hive tech

[wicked gorge]

DOMT GIVE THEM IDEAS

[sudden mortar]

Ops

[remote tree]

||Thats why your doppleganger is in jail||

[fresh nymph]

That sounds like a White Tusk variant

[sour perch]

You're next

[fresh nymph]

Literally the white tusk tank but warhound form

[wicked gorge]

I wonder where Kelso and Theo are

[fresh nymph]

Allegedly DC

Wait, isn't Y6S2 Seasons 2.0

[wicked gorge]

Kinda surprising we haven’t heard or seen them

Yep

[fresh nymph]

Compromised comms

Keener talks to us, and what happens? BTSU chases him down to the bunker

I say BTSU but they send more prototype skill proxies than operatives

Though they really don't have any commanding operatives now

[remote tree]

They’re in hiding, either in the open or at Broooklyn

Correct me if im wrong, but all rogue red rings are orange now or that’s a ploy done by Aaron?

[fresh nymph]

We don't know if the others have orange rings, just keener

I'd imagine with anna he's somehow spoofing being marked rogue

Note how we didn't even get a rogue network detected

[remote tree]

That’s what i figured

[fresh nymph]

Though I wonder if its cause he just cloned our watch

And is somehow hijacking our identity

[sour perch]

I want my identity back >:[

[sudden mortar]

After the hidden alliance, the true sons and BT became allies npcs on the programming, are the open world rogues still hostiles towards us even ||with the fact that we are on Keener's team now||

[wicked gorge]

Probably not allied rogues

[fresh nymph]

Or rogues under him that believed he actually died

Keener knows the identities of every SHD agent

As said in the comms

[wicked gorge]

Fun fact, our agent is so badass they can roll through the lasers

[sour perch]

immediately dies

[fresh nymph]

Keeners skill tier is just perma overcharge

[civic rain]

||stopped playing the game in kelso's manhunt and i need a tldr. what was the deal with kelso and why keener alive and fren rn||

[fresh nymph]

Explains the instant killing traps

[sour perch]

Bit of a dumb question, but do our Agents ever eat?

[wicked gorge]

That hasn’t happened….yet

[wicked gorge]

Gameplay wise no, lore wise yes

[sour perch]

Ah

Should've known from the Hunter answering my question

[remote tree]

Anythin for a fish taco at this rate

[sour perch]

That's it
That's all they eat

[fresh nymph]

||Keener is alive because he faked his death, so did Theo

They had a more superior version of the decoys, or at least had a doppelganger that managed to spoof ISAC, as ISAC only declared deceased, not the Identity

Kelso went rogue following the trail led by ANNA, got persuaded by Keener to join his side, we are in the process of this||

[sudden mortar]

From Keener's brother: gameplay wise no, lore wise yes

[sour perch]

Fish Taco

[remote tree]

Beats rat curry or unknow stew

[sour perch]

Or whatever they grab from the food boxes

[wicked gorge]

I’ll bring the toilet bowl wine

[remote tree]

I hope its beans

Beans are a godsend in any apocalypse setting

[sour perch]

Or canned meat

[remote tree]

Canned meat might be processed and salty but its the closest you get to the real deal

[civic rain]

can't say i understood it perfectly

the thing about trial

[fresh nymph]

Kelso didn't have trials

She just followed ANNAs directions to the crate

[remote tree]

||Who is glasses tho? A hunter or smthin? I didn’t fight any hunters ||

[fresh nymph]

||Considering there were some shrapnel traps there, likely a hunter||

[remote tree]

|| those traps were cool, I predicted a new style months ago lololol ||

[sudden mortar]

|| keener said he doesn't let anyone join his organization and he learned it the hard way, because Hawkins or another agent betrayed keener?||

[wicked gorge]

I thought it was Kajika

[fresh nymph]

||Hawkins is literally organising the BoO in Brooklyn from the sounds of it||

[sour perch]

Hey this is another dumb question, but whatever happened to Agent Ryan from The Division: Dark Zone trailer?

[remote tree]

He prolly ded

[fresh nymph]

Dead or a rogue, those are the options lol

[wicked gorge]

He outlived his timer, his friends forgave him, and they saved New York

[sour perch]

Or he could be a Hunter

[wicked gorge]

Funny coming from you Ryan

[sour perch]

You never know..

[wicked gorge]

After an hour of questioning my sanity I’ve collected all the comns

[sour perch]

You poor, poor Hunter

[fresh nymph]

I'm just watching RogueGold lol, I don't see the point in doing it myself

Don't feel like pulling more blue core striker pieces from my other agent

[remote tree]

I did that but with hunter’s fury

[sour perch]

Didn't know someone else also watched RogueGold

[fresh nymph]

Theres only so many td2 yters

[sour perch]

True

[remote tree]

GamingBridgade is good too idk if he still does div2

[sour perch]

Let's not forget NGN

[fresh nymph]

||The hell are the Cabal??||

||Oh. Basically a cult running the world||

[remote tree]

NGN is goated

[fresh nymph]

||One of the comms from rerunning the finale says that "shes one of them" - Probably Sokolova, while Cal isn't

Cal is a lackey of the Cabal, tried getting in but couldn't, and by extension, probably a lackey of Natalya?||

[fresh nymph]

||Defo some more Tom Clancy lore, all new clearly||

[merry sierra]

||I'm quite sad that we didn't get an ANNA as a reward for this manhunt. Hope we will get the possibility to chose between ISAC and ANNA soon||

[remote tree]

|| cal got cucked ||

[wicked gorge]

I remember his hatred for sparky, now we can see his hatred towards Chimera

[cold bramble]

Maybe In Brooklyn

[remote tree]

|| is the harvest a new pistol to be dropped soon? ||

[sudden mortar]

||Probably when Manny let him out of his cell||

[fresh nymph]

||Honestly no clue, praying its not a NSA exclusive cache thing||

[merry sierra]

||Do we know when we will get the next event of the story out ? I'm feeling like we will see Kenner in this cell for months x)||

[fresh nymph]

||At most a month, Y6S2 has to be done before March 2025||

[remote tree]

|| if it is, one lvl 40 and its wraps ||

[wicked gorge]

Hardest part was heroic 5 directives then i just swapped everything to normal, the boss is still annoying on lower difficulty

[fresh nymph]

Sparkle is at least easier on lower difficulty

But sparkle is probably harder with 5 directive heroic

[wicked gorge]

I just loop him in the back building, surprisingly effective

[fresh nymph]

This one, still kinda tough but not sparkle tough

[merry sierra]

||what comes out in march 2025? The new DLC ?||

[fresh nymph]

Yeah its just a bunch of movement

[wicked gorge]

Yes

[fresh nymph]

||Yeah||

[wicked gorge]

||I know a lot of ppl were wanting our agent to smack Keener, but I liked that they actually shook hands and have a somewhat partnership||

[fresh nymph]

||The Sheriff knows they have no choice||

[sudden mortar]

||I don't why I was expecting him to shock us like before with some hand shock device that the joker would use ||

[wicked gorge]

That would make people very angy

[jagged lagoon]

Same

[merry sierra]

||I dont know what you're thinking about the new dlc but for me it'll be heartland parts reused after keener and Manny found a way to be allies in this fight and they will send a new type of wave of division agents with more liberty in terms of choices as long as they defeat the hunters. Just my thoughs||

[wicked gorge]

It’s in Brooklyn

Or you talking gameplay?

[merry sierra]

||Nevermind my bad then haha, so that's probably there that Kelso's hidding||

[merry sierra]

||I was more talking about silver creek but yeah guess it's something they definitely abandoned||

[wicked gorge]

||I would be fine with new gameplay mechanics, doesn’t hurt to add new stuff||

[sudden mortar]

|| I like how ANNA was basically making Manny and Keener shut the f up so the sheriff can complete the trial lol||

[merry sierra]

||I totally agree. ANNA is more human than ISAC the journey feels less lifeless when she leads us||

[remote tree]

|| fr lol, and I was super suprised that Keener went with us on good terms after everything. It really means something ||

[sour perch]

Makes me wonder why Agents were uncomfortable when they were testing her in the field.

[sudden mortar]

Only if the ANNA voice actress is willing to record ISAC's voice lines (or new voice lines)

[merry sierra]

||Keener knows how to recognise an agent with talent, where all the others have failed, and he probably knows by talking with Kelso that he needs us to defeat the hunters and the black tusks||

[wicked gorge]

Probably cause humanity doesn’t like the idea of an ai sounding human

[merry sierra]

||What I'm going to say is purely hypothetical but if she already have for heartland and they will reuse the audios or basically for the new DLC we will have all of her voice lines recorded I don't know||

[sudden mortar]

Also I wouldn't be surprised if they use an irl AI voice cloner for a fictional AI character.

[merry sierra]

||To me that would be pretty cool and the AI stuff is totally something more than accurate recently||

[fresh nymph]

Honestly same lmao

[remote tree]

|| i’m still iffy cause it’s keener. He’s backstabbed before and he’ll backstab again ||

[merry sierra]

||I hope next season will give us ANNA because if we got to wait for March 2025 too many things can happen until there 😅||

[remote tree]

|| maybe not now, but when everythin clears up ||

[fresh nymph]

||His trophy is a trojan horse, what more do you want||

[merry sierra]

||Hmm to be honest I feel like Keener is done with betraying, what disturb me the most is that he was trying to tell us something about who Manny is really and he didn't talked about it again so what if Manny is secretly the true bad guy here ?||

[glad spruce]

||I think he was just trying to cast doubt on us regarding Manny's leadership abilities||

[sudden mortar]

||There is no bad guy actually, only people that believe what they're doing is the "right thing" if that still exists in a destroyed world.||

[merry sierra]

||Agree. So clearly I think Keener just think about a radical solution for the hunters and the black tusk so he thinks about hmm okay why not giving ANNA and probably upcoming soon, new abilities to SHD agents? And we have to keep something on our minds Kelso was totally a loyal SHD agent as our agent is. But we all knows black tusk and hunters are really powerful and stopping them is the highest priority even if it means doing weird alliances||

||Or maybe massive don't know yet what to do with the story and they're reading us and taking notes 🤣||

[glad spruce]

Got the 65th Descent comm. Titled En Route.

||Calvin McManus gets confirmation that his Hunter squad is on the move. He was impressed by his Hunter's speech regarding threats to the Division's Cores and the Rogues. He emphasizes to the Hunter that the future of the program hinges on the operation||

[merry sierra]

||That means they're attacking ISAC and ANNA servers ? Or I'm misunderstanding||

[glad spruce]

||Probably, but its more of an operation they're setting up in Silver Creek||

[merry sierra]

||Hmm I see but if they successfully make a better AI than ANNA it would suck for us even more 😅||

[glad spruce]

||For sure||

[merry sierra]

||But hey guys get focused we got Keener with us now and we already kill those hunters at pentco and the summit stage 100 it wouldn't be a problem to do it again 😎||

[sudden mortar]

||If it was that, the special watch that Cal uses to access the three AIs would be useless||

[merry sierra]

||Not if he steal the servers and reconfigure it so it now only serve the hunters and let the division and the rogues without communication and their AIs strategy||

||Cal's purposes are really strange and he have a plan for sure. I think Keener knows the real danger that's why he rally the division he needs a new army of people who will do what's necessary whatever it takes||

[remote tree]

||trust issues, i give it time||

||I won’t target his ass as hostile cause the enemy of my enemy is a friend rn, but if he steps out of line bullets will fly||

[cursive tapir]

||Glasses has to be Theo ||

[sudden mortar]

||I have a feeling I heard that before...||

||PTSD voices: do you have the DSM? We got it sir!...||

[merry sierra]

||For me yes it clearly is||

[remote tree]

|| if you slide me more armor plates, ill think about it more ||

[cursive tapir]

I quite liked the end of the manhunt! Still don’t trust Keener. I wish we could’ve gotten the option to reject the handshake. He’s still just a maniacal narcissist with a savior complex to me

[remote tree]

|| Ill agree that the MH was done good at least
Trials were fun and so were the lore pieces||

[merry sierra]

||The manhunt was totally good yes. Just a little regret about not having our new watch or at least the possibility to chose between ANNA and ISAC but this will come soon for sure.||

[sudden mortar]

Yeah, despite the fact that we needed to kill faction A on faction B territory while we had the black tusk to interfere.

[remote tree]

Yup

[cursive tapir]

Curious as to whether we’ll get to meet Hoskins in Brooklyn. I assume we will. There were five watches in the box, right? With us, Keener, Hoskins, Theo and Kelso, that makes 5

[merry sierra]

||What about Manny he's still a member of the SHD||

[cursive tapir]

Oh true!

[merry sierra]

||Maybe Kelso is somewhere captured so that means:
Our agent, Manny, Keener, Hoskins and Theo||

[sudden mortar]

Not exactly the SHD but yeah

[remote tree]

Manny’s goin to retire fr

If not he’s gonna have a headt attack from all the twists and turns

[merry sierra]

||Because I still don't understand Kelso talks to us every second in the game but now that we've rallied Keener we've not heard about her since "she's gone with Keener" pretty strange to me||

[sudden mortar]

And he is about to have a kid

[merry sierra]

||I guess everything can happen now they let so many doors opened for the next story chapter. Just wait and see I guess 😅||

[glad spruce]

Third Finale Mission Comm. Trust

||Manny doesn't trust Keener, but he asks if he trusts Kelso (who took Cassandra codename, as well). Manny wants to. Keener clarified that once he showed everything to Kelso, she willingly joined him and trusts him. Manny is curious what Keener showed, but the latter prefers it to be in person||

[sudden mortar]

||Keener and Manny in the white house is giving me drake and Josh vibes for some reason ||

[merry sierra]

||Haha yeah but one is in jail now 😅||

[marble dawn]

glad I'm not the only one, that made me feel sick

[obtuse arrow]

😂😂

[surreal hearth]

Ngl but he really tested us hard

Instead of the regular hostile enemies, he put a ton of traps like a lot

The traps are so so so paranoia the black tusk can’t get anywhere near the area

I was hoping for a Hunter to get hit with one of those traps

I can’t believe Natalia Sokolova didn’t bother to throw another hunter. I guess Calvin McManus didn’t want to continue wasting high valuable resource, hes kind of sick and tired of losing more hunters.

[glad spruce]

After the butt kicking we did to Deceit (Coney Island), The Recruiter, and Freedom (Stranded Tanker), I think Cal is trying to save up his Hunters for more important ops.

[fresh nymph]

True

Sokolova is clearly low on actual BTSU Operatives, so shes just resorting to her warhound projects more

The original BTSU team doesn't even exist anymore, all dead minus schaeffer

[glad spruce]

BTW, does any one have the deathcard quote for Chimera?

[sudden mortar]

It's the same from the gunner warhound iirc

[glad spruce]

Weird.

[sudden mortar]

Ellis saying that AI and robots are the future of warfare or something like that

[remote tree]

If ||Chimera|| had stood up and ran at us full blast like the descent comms i would’ve logged till golden bullet 💀

[glad spruce]

It's a good thing those running experiments didn't come to full fruition

I'm gonna be busy with the wiki tomorrow

@cold bramble Glass is either the codename for Theo Parnell or another rogue agent working for Keener.

My money's on Theo Parnell

[cold bramble]

ahhh

[glad spruce]

I just realized something, we're seven weeks left this season as per the in game calendar

Which means we have 7 weeks to do the remaining 7 Descent comms for this season

[remote tree]

Makes sense

[wicked gorge]

I thinks it’s the base warhound, it talked about the warhound setting a emp charge off after death

[sleek plover]

|| I hope we can torture keener by withholding desserts. ||

[sick lantern]

cus that worked out so well for Splinter Cell boy i cannot wait to see where this hackneyed plot point goes

[ornate gull]

Imaging after hear his final word
You would saying: "better than lives without it"

[lilac surge]

ANNA absolutely made Me die laughing when she did that😂 she was like children, your in timeout, now hush

[gaunt ice]

he committed self game end by a shot to the back of his head,the agent (me) was there to witness it

[gaunt ice]

inb4 Sam shows up

[near totem]

Why so many agents we find in open world have almost no gear? Most of the time they dont even have a vest

I get why those agents in meret didnt have it but in dc?

[gaunt ice]

stripped for gear i reckon

most of the agents you see in DC are bodies

[near totem]

Well that can explain it

[glad spruce]

Pretty sure Cal and Nat wouldn't have this much resources to try to take over the world if they didn't have powerful people backing them

[surreal hearth]

Because the guy is completely scared, and now the Keener is back, it’s going to make the black tusk even more scared

[glad spruce]

True

[surreal hearth]

And we pretty much crippled a lot of the black tusk key assets as well as killing a key unit for the hunter program the recruiter

Then she threw her last card on us with whatever she’s got one last time

True sons and black us together, a marauder class quad copter

Then she threw her last known as the hunter with the American mask

[cold bramble]

||wonder if keener planned on getting caught? Will he succeed in persuading manny?||

[glad spruce]

||It wasn't a plan. One of the last 4 comms has Manny allowing Keener entry to the White House under a few terms: Being put in a cell for interrogation, have everything but his watch and comms confiscated, and will stay in the cell until Keener brings Agent Kelso to vet him||

[cold bramble]

Oh I missed that bit lol

[tall prism]

||You think Keener will be the one to take the division to Brooklyn? In my opinion after this, he's working on how we can band together, and eliminate Mcmanus and the BT, once and for all.||

[sour perch]

||I feel like Keener is gonna break out of his cell by the next season, knowing Ubi, I think he is gonna do that.||

[cold bramble]

||or another bt attack||

[glad spruce]

||Most likely, since its established that he has a BoO in Brooklyn||

[sick lantern]

russian heiress to an arms company and the head of the DHS, sounds like powerful enough people already

[glad spruce]

Just the two of them? I don't think so

[sick lantern]

plot wise ||I just don’t see how new government conspirators are necessary or will be interesting, considering Cal already fulfils that role and he is barely a developed character||

[glad spruce]

Okay, but I don't see how this is an issue when Birdie mentions the Cabal in Y5S2 comms

[sick lantern]

i don't remember that, point still stands regardless

[glad spruce]

Puppeteers comm called Bored.

To paraphrase from Birdie in there: "Don't worry, its not illegal. Well, not illegal for you and you cabal boys"

[sick lantern]

i presume at the time i missed that it was a proper noun

or that i just wasn't paying that much attention to anything birdie was saying, for obvious reasons

[glad spruce]

Yeah, yeah, you hate Birdie. 😛

[strange rock]

Is || ANNA cutting off comms between Keener and Manny at the start of the last trial || supposed to be a nothing burger

It did made me think there was going to be a plot twist

[glad spruce]

She's dedicated to her programming and restricted comms so we could finish Nyx trial without interruption

Like how Vik Malik spouts nonsense from his mouth, despite some people blindly believing him.

[wicked gorge]

@glad spruce did y’all talk about the descent comn yesterday?

[glad spruce]

Yes. I did a recap of it

[wicked gorge]

Ight I’ll scroll back then

[glad spruce]

And considering it's 7 weeks left till the next season, I reckon we have 7 weeks to complete this season Descent comms.

Unless of course, the dev team releases next season earlier

[wicked gorge]

I couldn’t find it, I already know about it, but I wanted to see your view on it

[glad spruce]

Long story short, it's basically Cal keeping contact with a Hunter squad on their way to Silver Creek

So, some players found out via photo mode that there's a sticky note on the maps in the panic room that's written "Phase 2 is October 10"

And I wonder if that's for next season

[cold bramble]

The seasons tab says there is a new target in 3 weeks. Is that confirmed?

[glad spruce]

It coincides with the upcoming x5 XP event

[cold bramble]

Interesting

[near totem]

Just finished the manhunt. Its great

[cursive tapir]

I think they’re possibly planting a seed of ANNA possibly developing some sort of self-awareness/sentience. We’ll see how that pays off later down the line, I’m sure

[ashen jungle]

I'd say it's more like an entire forest than a seed, but 100% agreed on her becoming self-aware.

What will be interesting is if ISAC gets a moment to talk directly to her, as she seems capable of doing to ISAC.

[sudden mortar]

If ISAC was smart enough for that
I think at most he would say "unknown algorithm detected" or something like that.

[cold bramble]

Is isac a system that can be updated or upgraded with the right people and/or equipment?

[ashen jungle]

It might have to wait for a bit, he's in the middle of some calibrations.

[ornate gull]

Just hope ISAC don't go Maverick

[cold bramble]

The stuff with Anna you mean?

[ashen jungle]

ISAC shares a VA with a certain character from the Mass Effect franchise, and there's even a reference to the line back in div1.

[near totem]

ANNA would propably just make fun of him.

[sour perch]

She kept talking smack about our boy ISAC 😭

[sudden mortar]

Yup, ISAC is a "construct" of Garrus Vakarian

[near totem]

She was kinda right when she said his job is boring

[sudden mortar]

We can't blame it since most of its job is to detect stuff

[near totem]

And most of it is obvious

It would be nice to have her in our ear but after a few Missions ANNA would quit

[ashen jungle]

I'd rather stick with the actual VA over the AI voice.

[sour perch]

I actually thought this season was the end of ISAC and we would've switched to ANNA.

[near totem]

ANNA is a AI voice?

[ashen jungle]

I mean, it sounds an awful lot like one I used to use.

Maybe MSV finally decided having ISAC voiced by a guy named Keener was too meta.

[near totem]

We will propably see more of her

[sour perch]

True, since Keener did say ANNA is ready, she just needed more gear

[near totem]

Well using AI to voice AI isnt that bad

[ashen jungle]

ISAC is AI and they use an actual VA.
It's cheaper, but I like voice actors having jobs.

Heck, I have to use an AI voice regularly and I still prefer people having jobs.

[sudden mortar]

By the way, do we know who ANNA's VA is?, I didn't find that on any division wiki.

[near totem]

Maybe they used a voice changer or something

[ashen jungle]

If ANNA is voiced by an actual person, I'd be fairly surprised, but I guess we'll see what the credits for the next DLC say.

[glad spruce]

Is there proof that ANNA is voiced by an "AI"?

[sour perch]

Mm, she sounds a little too human to be an AI.

[sudden mortar]

Well, we can't confirm or deny, since we don't have updated information on ANNA's VA.

[ashen jungle]

As I've said twice within the last 6 minutes, it's guesswork right now, but it does sound a lot like one. And it wouldn't shock me if a videogame company used AI over a VA.

What I am 99% sure on is that we won't know for sure until the DLC drops.

[sour perch]

Yknow
Keener said he would tell us about 'Diamond' but he never did.

[cold bramble]

Not yet

[ornate gull]

I wonder how many more Season b4 Cal and his Hunter flagged as Traitor to USA just like how President flagged as Traitor

And how many manhunt gonna be

[torn shoal]

Président was never flagged as traitor by isac, we had no permission to kill him, that's why cassandra did

[sick lantern]

McManus would be “flagged as a traitor for collaborating with an occupying force”

unless something something ISAC hack

[sudden mortar]

But he gave the order to JTF to retreat from the DZ leaving the agents there.

[ashen jungle]

Wasn't that a different POTUS?

[torn shoal]

doesnt matter, isac doesnt have any authority to authorise a coup, also yeah, not teh same president

remember isac decide everything, but it has rules to follow, like not overthrow governement, etc

[ashen jungle]

There's been 3 since the outbreak started.
The first had a heart attack that some kinda suspect was poison but whatever.
the second was assassinated by his own secret service, paid by BT, then killed by BT.
the 3rd was killed by Lau.

[sudden mortar]

I don't remember which comm was that

[torn shoal]

isac is supposed to help us, not give us orders

we are supposed to do what we can, and isac determine if we are doing the right thing after, not before

isac doesnt say "dont kill him you'll go rogue", it just watch us do stuff then flag us rogue if needed

also its a convenient way to write gameplay

[ashen jungle]

Of course, ISAC is following precepts, he doesn't decide anything.
That's the thing about ANNA, Keener seemingly hints that she's if not already, then is intended to be self-aware.

[torn shoal]

i didnt even know one was killed lol

yeah, anna is very different

she is learning, isac isnt

[ashen jungle]

Well she is capable of learning, ISAC might be and I sorta think that'll be a future plot-line.

[torn shoal]

isac cannot learn by itself, it just adapt, where anna can do more than react, but predict

[sudden mortar]

Just like how AIs and VIs are different on Mass effect, one is self-aware, the other, not so much.

[torn shoal]

thats cause we call everything ai but it isnt really

[sudden mortar]

True

[torn shoal]

like an enemy in the game is called ai for us in gaming, but its not, its just ifs and elses

you gotta define what ai really is if you wanna talk about that

and thats a WHOLE other topic

like entire books have been writen on this and nobody agrees

[ashen jungle]

I could totally tell you, but I promised I wouldn't.

[torn shoal]

same way nobody can define what is "life"

what is alive

what is dead

def not keener now

welcome to philosophy 101

[ashen jungle]

And welcome back to div2 lore chat.

[near totem]

Keener will be keener

[torn shoal]

i just cant stop going sideway lmao

istg if i keep on track for more than 5m i die x)

[near totem]

Would the Black Tusk just kill Keener or they would just kidnap him?

[sudden mortar]

Sorry, it is kinda hard to talk about a game lore without making even a single analogy or mention of other movies, games or books

[torn shoal]

they want him dead for sure, he is a problem, but if he becomes a bigger problem he should be captured to help them fix that

but keener wouldnt let himself get captured by them

he is actively fighting them

cause they got hunters

and thats a big problem for him

and his rogue network

[near totem]

And after we get the hunter thing sorted out will he just shoot us in the face and do the SHD vs Rogues thing again?

Oh and also do we still have Vitaly Tchernenko?

[torn shoal]

cant really tell now, they changed the character so much from what he was over the years, he couldnt be running for president for all we know

[sudden mortar]

Speaking of captured, I wonder why BT wanted to capture that outcast strategist after the white house assault.

[torn shoal]

i think black tusk stole him a while back

[near totem]

Again?

[torn shoal]

i dont remember much, it was so long ago

but when they attacked white house they retrieved him ?

or something im not sure

[near totem]

He was a congress man or something

[near totem]

Well he went from the "i hate the goverment because is rotten to the core" personality to "i want to kill you all and make a paradise for me" and he is " We need the power of friendship" now

[torn shoal]

yeah, not really stable character lore lmao

[near totem]

I think he is bipolar

[torn shoal]

"i was betrayed" to "illmake them pay", ok so far so good, then "i'll murder every citizen on earth" like wtf and then "i'll save everyone cause im nice like that"

[torn shoal]

thats not what bipolar does tho

[near totem]

New day new me

[sour perch]

Keener is Keener
That's that

Had to do the mission again two times for the last two comms

[near totem]

Really? Well im not a person that knows much about mental disorders but still he isnt always the same person

[sudden mortar]

Yeah, Keener went from: I got a vision to win, I'm gonna write my own rules! To a guy bored in the panic room with a Cortana in his watch

[near totem]

I actually think he baited us and BT with the Eclipse virus

[torn shoal]

yeah its much more complicated, also most docotrs dont know really what it is, they just guess

but again, its off topic so

[near totem]

What if in the next few sesons they will make Kelso, Theo and Keener companions like in the Ghost recons?

[sour perch]

I doubt it

[near totem]

Maybe not straight up Ghost recon mechanic but something more like we see in fallout

[sudden mortar]

I think they're gonna make a settlement in Brooklyn with those characters as the vendors and stuff.

[near totem]

Would make sense

[ashen jungle]

I vote Theo to be the barber.

[sour perch]

YES.

And Kelso the vendor.

[sudden mortar]

Like: go to Kelso to buy a weapon, or go to Theo for the specializations...

[ashen jungle]

You turn a corner, you feel a sudden chill down your spine.
You hear "my back's all f-d up, I need a doctor, bad!"

[sudden mortar]

I can imagine him mocking us like: so you thought you killed me XD

[near totem]

Or she will be a exotic vendor like in div 1

But if it would happen we would need a special currency for it

[sour perch]

True

[torn shoal]

hey thats me when i wake up

time will do that to you

[ashen jungle]

No div1 oldies here today I see.

[sour perch]

With all this running around, I'm surprised our Agent hasn't had that problem.

[near totem]

Even if our agent has that problem i dont think we will hear something about it

[sour perch]

True

Mf never speak

AT ALL

[torn shoal]

i am, but game is too old, we cant remember it all

[near totem]

Or maybe they recruited mute agents

[ashen jungle]

There's a few around for sure.

[near totem]

Well anybody can be an SHD agent, well almost anybody

[sour perch]

Wasn't there an explanation on how Agents got recruited

[torn shoal]

yes, audio logs

supposedly we are the best of the best

and hunters are the best of our best

[near totem]

And when does it ends?

[torn shoal]

which with this dollar flu + dc 62 going around doesnt leave lot of people alive to begin with

[sour perch]

get killed by the best of the best

Losers

[torn shoal]

at some point you gotta wonder, how many people are actually alive in this world lol

[near totem]

If people would only die by green poison

It would be like 10% of the population

So 800 million people

[torn shoal]

10% is insane

but still

[near totem]

Well Armherst didnt play around

[torn shoal]

society woudlnt crumble

not on thoses numbers

[ashen jungle]

lol

[near totem]

Well its not like its even everywhere

[torn shoal]

we had in history several outbreaks that killed more % of population

[sour perch]

He did NOT screw around bro 😭🙏

[torn shoal]

the black plague killed like 30% of europe back then

and society went as usual

minus quarantines

[ashen jungle]

I mean, it very noticably didn't.

[torn shoal]

nah but like, it didnt crumble

[ashen jungle]

A big part of the black death is that it made major permanent global changes.

[torn shoal]

i mean yeah it changed things, but we didnt go from "cool society" to "mad max"

[ashen jungle]

this is not the place to go into such a deep topic, but you should watch some scientific stuff on it, its quite interesting.

[torn shoal]

true

lot to learn from the past

[near totem]

Well 30% is less than 90%
+there can be more or less

[torn shoal]

dollar flu didnt kill 90% ?

[near totem]

The valoria chimera had a 90% mortality rate

[ashen jungle]

I know it's hard to remember, but countries outside the US do exist.

[near totem]

So there has to be people that werent infected

[torn shoal]

obviously, thats why quanrantines exist

or stuff like dcd fire rooms

[near totem]

There were comms about situation in other places i think Asia and EU is still standing

[ashen jungle]

Amherst chose to use physical currency as a way to infect people because symbolism, but the problem is that only really works in the US, as most other countries don't use paper money anymore.

look up the modern australian bank note, its cool as heck.

[torn shoal]

a lot of countries still use paper money for samll transactions

but yeah its disapearing

[ashen jungle]

It's mostly polymer now, which is cheaper and lasts longer.
and is harder to fake.

[sour perch]

Canada is gone

[torn shoal]

ah, you mean paper as the object, not as physical

[near totem]

It started on money but it moved on to surfaces

[near totem]

One side of canada didnt even feel it that much. Cant remember east or west

[ashen jungle]

Money, famously regularly UV scanned.
it's a Tom Clancy themed story, so the initial probelm doesn't really matter, so much as the conspiracy theory later on.

[torn shoal]

canada is a fake country anyway

[sour perch]

Yo I think we might need to burn this guy
He's contaminated

[ashen jungle]

Actually it's kinda funny that it's taken us this long to get the equivelant of the Iluminati, aka: the Cabal.

[torn shoal]

oh yeah, i saw that at the end and i was like "ok, you go this route then, fk the last bit of realism xd"

i really thought they wouldnt go this route after so long trying not to

[near totem]

I mean canadians cant be real, how would it work if their mouth was cut in half?

[ashen jungle]

Div already went from semi-realistic bio-terrorism outbreak to chemical warheads in manhattan

the Cabal is 100% fine.

[near totem]

Everything is possible in NYC

[torn shoal]

yeah but thats grounded in realism like, it can happen, it did happen, just not in manhattan

[sour perch]

Okay this guy has to burn too
He's contaminated

[torn shoal]

where a cabal is..... meh, low tier conspiracy genre

at least most of them are badly written

[ashen jungle]

And here I thought they were off fighting the Guardians.

"eyes up, agent" is going to be referenced a lot in the future, mark my words.

[torn shoal]

i will mark ruffalo instead

[cloud willow]

ANNA is pretty sassy to ISAC, almost too sibling-like.

[ashen jungle]

I've never felt more kinship to an evil AI than when she cut off Manny and Keener because they wouldn't stop arguing.

[torn shoal]

i love sassy character

and when they are ai, its even better cause you KNOW they dont care

[sour perch]

Well, are they considered siblings?

ISAC was only made to be AI for Agents instead of ANNA

[near totem]

Does the BT have acess to ICBMs?

[torn shoal]

nobody does

in theory the president should but nobody has that title right now

[cloud willow]

IIRC, the continuity of government would find someone.

we just don't know who yet.

[torn shoal]

they need to be named acting president, they dont possess that power instantly if president dies

especially they equire a screening first to be sure they can be trusted

otherwise you could just promote the guy killing the president and you know, not a great move

[sour perch]

Hey, thoughts on this

What would ISAC look like if he was a person instead of AI? Same goes for ANNA.

[cloud willow]

ISAC would be Garrus Vakarian, ANNA would be Solana.

[torn shoal]

nah, anna is closer to glados, so i'd see her character ingame instead

she worked for jhonson in aperture science

[near totem]

ISAC would be Ramirez and ANNA would be Cortana

[torn shoal]

nah

cortana is bad

[near totem]

How about Park from Cod Cold War?

[sour perch]

I could see it

[torn shoal]

didnt play it

[surreal hearth]

Ever since her existence has awakened nat and cal went instantly silent

[sour perch]

. . .
Hang on
You're not wrong.

[surreal hearth]

That level of silent calm means they’re literally terrified on the inside of a living AI ready to take over the human race

[surreal hearth]

There’s a reason why they went super silent

[torn shoal]

nothing indicate anna would take over the world

or that black tusk wants whats best lol

[surreal hearth]

We have a living AI ready to run everything autonomously without any human interaction whatsoever

Including shade tech

[torn shoal]

you cant run everything with ai

most of human infrastructure need humans interactions

[surreal hearth]

Yes but when she started making those mini none interacted trap subroutines

Keener must have spent weeks or months perfecting ANNA to her full potential and probably made kelso now know as “Cassandra” to run trials

[torn shoal]

kenner doesnt do ia dev

thats theo at best

he only worked to free her

[surreal hearth]

So in a nutshell forget shaeffer ANNA is now our new key

[torn shoal]

idk, schaeffer is the key to beat nat, anna is only a better tool to do that

[surreal hearth]

Right Theo

[torn shoal]

schaffer will lead us to her, anna cant

schaeffer cant fight with us, anna can

[surreal hearth]

Not yet but with ANNA once invading nats bunker all hell is going to break loose fast

[torn shoal]

you cant have anything invade a closed network

[surreal hearth]

Can override warhounds

[torn shoal]

air gap computers and such are immune to viruses for examples

thats why u need human interactions

[surreal hearth]

Even so

And since theo live then we might have a chance

I think this entire ordeal was to create a perfect state of the artwork merge with ISAC and ANNA

pretty much to take out diamond

[torn shoal]

ngl, if we had isac and anna fighting like siblings in our coms that'd be hilariouos

[cold bramble]

Hey how do I spoiler a video message?

[torn shoal]

upload it, then before sending it, there is options aviable on it

the eye icon is the spoiler one

[cold bramble]

I can’t download it

[torn shoal]

if you want to link a video, just put || in front and behind the link

it will spoiler everything inbetween

[surreal hearth]

Next thing you know you’ll be seeing Warhound killing each other and then killing their creators

[torn shoal]

seeing how bad warhounds are in fights, i think we fine

[sudden mortar]

Unless they use the chimera AI to the warhounds, the chimera is more aggressive than regular elite warhounds, if you take cover for example, it's gonna start running to that cover and shoot you.

[torn shoal]

is it tho ? i face chimera taking 0 damage while being the focus the entire time 4 times in a row

i just go into cover on the right side of the console close to keener and it just never hit me no matter what

and the grenade launcher doesnt hit me most of the time either

[ashen jungle]

Chimera's biggest weakness: cover-vaulting.

[torn shoal]

didnt even needed to vault, i didnt move for 5min straight and just shot at stuff xd

i legit didnt use my keyboard

only my mouse

i made an exception to gather ammo at some point

[sour perch]

Shotgun go pow!

[wicked gorge]

I forgot you could cover vault during the boss fight so I just played ring around the Rosie

[sour perch]

Fish Taco

[sour perch]

Agent down.

[near totem]

Could we just kick or push warhounds to their side? Can they get up if they lie flat without any help?

[sour perch]

I have no idea actually.

[hallow topaz]

No, if you look on YouTube you can actually find "warhounds" in prototype (in real life).
They kick it from the sides, and kick it when it is walking up a hill to test it's balance.
But it didn't fall over, so in this game they have implemented that technology 100%

[near totem]

Welp, we cant get them the easy way

[hallow topaz]

If you want to see it search:
Evolution of Boston Dynamics robots 1992 - 2023

[near totem]

Thanks for the source

[hallow topaz]

Can't remember if this was the right channel to mention it but:
What if Keener was interrogating 3 Hunters, instead of "normal" agents?
(In the police academy mission)

Like, he was trying to get them to spy for him, but they said no, so... couldn't let them live to tell McManus what he was up to.

In the latest comms they already done it, but in Div1 he was trying to get agents to do it.

I mean Keener was at that party with all the rich people Natalya, Mckenzie (wasn't that party at the same place as the incursion?)
So they most likely approached him to recruit him as a Hunter as well.
Only he thought something different, as he knew about ("the last comm of the Manhunt" people)

Idk how to do the classified/spoiler over your text feature

[cold bramble]

so did some explore under broklyn and scoped some buildings

[sick lantern]

you can spoiler tag text by putting || on both sides of the text you want spoilered. or cover the whole message by doing /spoiler
anyway i really hope not that sounds like an incredibly dumb retcon

you think he might’ve said “hey scarecrow btw, some of the division agents are deep cover hunters and you gotta especially watch out for them” but nope

also Keener said “i gave you a chance to work with me and you decided to turn me in instead” surely Hunters wouldn’t have tried to “turn him in”… clue is kinda in the name as to why

[dapper tapir]

i think the vendor at dz east is a hunter

shes got the axe and the smoke nade

and being at a dz is also a little telling

[glad spruce]

Does she have a Division watch?

[frail pond]

Gotta love that sass ANNA gives ISAC

[glad spruce]

I'll be honest, I loved ANNA a whole lot in that mission.

[marble dawn]

growing on me too, I liked the brother(a bit simple)-sister dynamic

[sour perch]

I feel like there's something missing from ISAC

In the Jefferson Trade Center, when you go to reactivate ISAC, he says "sub systems operational"

What's missing from him then?

[ashen jungle]

"sub" means "below" or in this case, "lower". ISAC is saying that he is all operational.

e.g. submarine = below water.

[sour perch]

Ahh okay.

[glad spruce]

Think of it as parts of him weren't operational before we reactivated the node

[open sentinel]

anyone got ideas about the six watches in keeners room? seems like it has to be of some significance

[sudden mortar]

Modified SHD Watches, I don't think we will have one of them since our watch is Keener's watch, so it should already have ANNA connected to it.

[open sentinel]

ah that makes sense, i had the idea it could be smth similar to the hunter masks as theyre really obvious to the player, but maybe not

[sour perch]

Wait he has watches in there? I didn't even check.

[open sentinel]

yeah a case of 6, under a lamp on your left as you walk in

[sour perch]

Ahh okay.

[sudden mortar]

Yeah, 6 of them, he said it was ANNA's gear for new recruits.

[sour perch]

Now makes me wonder who the new recruits are..

[open sentinel]

working with keener is gonna be so good tho, manny will finally realise hes right lmao

[glad spruce]

I'm guessuing those modified watches is how we defend against Black Tusk's countermeasure

[open sentinel]

im also not sure if i missed the rubber ducky easter egg in the final mission, i only realised they were there a little after the start, i did get the decoy of keener turning into one tho, not sure if thats the whole thing or just part of it?

[glad spruce]

A part of it

[open sentinel]

damn i gotta go back and do it now

is it just shoot them all, no annoying complicated steps other than that?

[glad spruce]

Just find and shoot

[sour perch]

Legit grew a smile when he started shooting Chimera
Legit felt good.

[open sentinel]

fr and the handshake at the end was so satisfying, even the devs finally realised keener right asf 😭 🙏

[sour perch]

Real

He finally felt like an Agent when he helped us in that mission

[wicked gorge]

What I saw is you only gotta shoot the duck on the fuse box to matter

[near totem]

What is the || society or a club that Keener was talking about that Nat was a part of?||

[glad spruce]

||A shadow organization that Keener refers to as the Cabal. We don't know a whole lot about them save for the fact that they're working towards Nat's agenda||

[sudden mortar]

||Is basically some kind of illuminati group without being the illuminati||

[hallow topaz]

I was thinking the same at first, but Faye Lau after the echo says something like:
"This is so wrong, agents going rogue, killing eachother".
So she didn't know, so who were they turning him in to?

[sick lantern]

literally anyone

the first wave "disappeared" cus of keener and co doing shit like that

[sour perch]

And majority of the second wave agents died

[sick lantern]

because of keener

[sour perch]

Yep

[sick lantern]

inb4 vtol was full of hunters

[sour perch]

True

Then there's the 3rd wave
Is there even a third wave?

[sick lantern]

no

[glad spruce]

Technically, Hunters could be considered third wave. But they're more like insurance policy against Division agents

[uncut sky]

Well if it’s insurance policy then why do hunters almost always kill non rogues

Like even in survival

makes no sense if you ask me

[sick lantern]

cus mcmanus is evil

[compact apex]

||that was so satisfying to work with Keener now||

[glad spruce]

Cuz Cal is with Black Tusk towards maintaining continuity of government. And any agent who doesn't work towards that is on his hitlist

[sick lantern]

survival when no one knew who the black tusk were:

agent edwards who probably didn’t know about the black tusk:

[glad spruce]

sighs What is your endgame here?

[sick lantern]

black tusk who invaded dc and didn’t give the division a chance to work with them:

[glad spruce]

Seriously, any time I see your posts in here, you're just complaining

[sick lantern]

All I’m doing is stating the facts

and you do a lot of complaining whenever other people talk about the lore so 😛

pot meet kettle

[glad spruce]

Alright, fair enough

[uncut sky]

brothers in arms heh

Anyways #BringBackTheLastManBattalion

[wicked gorge]

Their already back, technically

[glad spruce]

They got folded into Black Tusk. You ever seen those rushers and support dudes deploying their support stations? They were former LMB

[ashen jungle]

I never liked the idea that they are all ex-LMB, and prefer to see it as a sort of "some of them are ex-LMB".

[hallow topaz]

Idk I feel like Cal knew about Amherst, as he said to that A.I lady to focus on something else every time she mentioned him.
||Amherst was doing it for the Cabal||
Keener knew something was up, as he is who he is.
Probably followed the money trail(s) as he was a wall street futures trader.
So he was like "they can kill millions, so I can kill a few for the greater good too"
It's gonna be something like that I think.

[near totem]

|| shadow goverment of a shadow goverment? ||

[glad spruce]

I'm sure some of you know this already, but there's sticky note in the panic room that says "phase 2 is October 10"

[torn shoal]

cause every bad guy need to have post it note of when they gonna end the world just in case they forget

duh

[ashen jungle]

"every bad thing I've ever done.txt" is the trope name for it.

[torn shoal]

yeah and you know he's bad cause its not a pdf

completely crazy to have a txt file

[ashen jungle]

Real villains still use ascii.

[torn shoal]

and use irc to talk to their henchmen

[sudden mortar]

In the end of Brooklyn DLC, the boss will probably try to kill us but not before telling his entire evil plan to everybody there.

[near totem]

Would be cool if LMB was a part of the dlc

We could learn more how did they joined the black tusk

And how did they react to wahat we had done in the UN

[uncut sky]

I was actually interested in that, although I couldn’t really find anything about their reaction

at the end of the mission we were told that the whole thing kind of fell apart and that’s it

[near totem]

They propably told us that so they didnt have to explain it then

[sleek plover]

i like to think thar about rushers and support, BT absorbed LMB "tactics."

[sleek plover]

I would appreciate a Ex-LMB unit of BTSU.

It will give me the satisfaction of wiping them out for good.

[next hemlock]

Doesn’t the white tusk exist?

[sleek plover]

I find white tusk being canon to be....quite dubious

[next hemlock]

That’s grey canon at least from what I remember

[sick lantern]

^they are canon

[ornate gull]

Some 1st wave are just killed thou

[near totem]

It would be nice if they were abandoned and their uniforms and gear would show that it was used and suffered damage

[cold bramble]

Do we know what is in Keeners case thing? Is it a shd node?

[ashen jungle]

It's the Mobile SHD Server, right?

[cold bramble]

Ohhh

I’m so curious to see what he’s planning

Who else thinks Keener surrendering to the Division is part of a bigger plan he has?

Me but it does also seem like he wants to try work with us as well

[sick lantern]

in technical terms
Nodes are the city/region wide boosters, NYC’s node appears in Operation ISAC and DC’s in Jefferson Trade Centre

[cold bramble]

Ah okay. So what was the situation when the whole network went down at the beginning of div 2 was it the node in jtc that was hit or the main node?

[sick lantern]

because the SHD Network has the opposite of plot armour, taking down the Node in DC disabled the whole network

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cold bramble]

😂😂

The network isn’t still 100% right? Or it was until the black tusk or rogue’s arrived?

[wicked gorge]

If your talking about the newest manhunt mission then it’s a couple of watches

[glad spruce]

Modified watches, technically

[floral gull]

Can’t believe only 4 months have passed in game since your character first stepped foot into DC

[glad spruce]

4 months

Division 2 base story took place in June

We're currently in late October

[floral gull]

The universe is still back in 2016?

[glad spruce]

I think so. One of First Rogue's comms involve Manny admitting he'd like go back in time in 2015 to kill Amherst before he could've unleashed the virus

[wicked gorge]

That’s crazy to think

[cold bramble]

So not long since wony then?

[ashen jungle]

The devs have actively avoided specific dates, seemingly always being set in a kinda vague "not yet" time.
Honestly, I hope they don't give us specific years, it'll just cause problems later on.

At one point we were given an exact year, but it's officiat artwork that has since been deleted off the internet so

[floral gull]

hmm just like 40k then

[ashen jungle]

I'm not that familiar with 40k beyondthe surface, but it wouldn't shock me. A lot of fictional universes avoid giving exact dates.

[floral gull]

yeah they also keep the timeline pretty ambiguous due to the nature of the setting and how long the Ip has been running for

[ashen jungle]

Not to get too off-topic, but Warframe made a joke about this exact idea quite recently. With a reveal trailer for the next expansion changing the "in the future''s date from thousands to millions, to "later".

[near totem]

Do you remember what was on that artwork?

[ashen jungle]

IIRC it was a construction site or such, it was a few years ago now.

[open sentinel]

4 months.... then how long was the gap between keeners fake death in wony and his reappearance?

[torn shoal]

nobody really knows

there are no dates given

could be few weeks, could be few months

the only thing we know, its been less than a year since the flu hit

[sour perch]

about 7 months actually
It's 2016 I believe, so not that long

[torn shoal]

yeah we're in summer when flu hit in like winter

[ashen jungle]

There is not a set year AFAIK, the game at one point stated that it was present day, but things have conflicted.
So it's "now-ish".

[torn shoal]

yeah and its alternate universe anyway, with other president, etc

[glad spruce]

Season 1 took place on August 20th to August 23rd, so my guess is that WONY took place around Mid-August

Again, it's just a guess.

Also, you should check out the Legacy Manhunt menu since they give out the dates of each season taking place.

[cold bramble]

There was a video I watched where the guy said based off a few clues in the game, the Division 2 takes place somewhere during 2016-2017. Officially hasn't been confirmed

[ashen jungle]

That is the thing, it's all speculation until MSV outright say "it's in X year".
Honestly? I hope they don't ever tell us.

[ornate gull]

Same as Year 21xx

[sleek plover]

Yeah but thats kinda recent addition to the canon.

Not sure the devs had that in mind when adding them to the game

if so, they should appear in places other thab dubious canon legendary missions

damn I hate LMB

[sleek plover]

so it is Xear

[ashen jungle]

X here being a math term for an unknown value.

[ember vector]

We just know the start of The Division 2 takes place seven (?) months after the beginning of the outbreak. I have my fingers crossed for a snowy Brooklyn in 2025. It would feel full circle coming back to where it all started (the prologue area in the first game) with the same weather.

[sick lantern]

and WoNY is a month after launch

[open sentinel]

in my mind the game has always taken place in like 2019-2020, but tbh after playing this game for 4 years the timeline gets blurry 😅

[strange rock]

There's a comm from the manhunt that suggests we're in 2016

[ornate gull]

I want to know

You guy prefer half metropolis & urban of Washington DC or Metropolis of NYC?

[cold bramble]

Anyone noticed on New York map when you hover over Brooklyn there’s a part of it that is not blocked from scrolling over?

[wicked gorge]

Which map, div 1 or div 2

[wicked gorge]

I like both, frozen and quiet New York gives a eerie feel and feels somewhat hopeless, DC is full of color, life, and nature that give a sense of hope and society slowing building itself again

[cold bramble]

Div 2

[ornate gull]

NYC Eerie and hopeless but still have faith

[ashen jungle]

Div2's NYC is if anything, more depressing than 1's was. At least there was some regular people still around. NYC in div2 is full of mountains of bodies and enemies.

Walk down the side alleys and you can find where they started to dig the mass graves in NYC.

Plus, div1 had random NPC's talk to you from the buildings, by div2 they're all in settlements or probably dead.

[wicked gorge]

I wanna see Central Park more than anything

[ornate gull]

Div1 civil also ask for help too

JTF just salute and respect you as you go through

[wicked gorge]

You can find patrols working and offer them equipment to use

[ornate gull]

And i like the fact you can help Civilians escape from Rioter/Riker/Cleaner/LMB harrassing

[glad spruce]

I prefer Washington, D.C IMO

[ornate gull]

I see Civilians almost getting shot from 4 of them b4 i shot at those faction

[wicked gorge]

Then they give you the same FU#KING PURPLE PANTS IN A ROW FOR HELPING THEM

[ornate gull]

Either vanity or that

[wicked gorge]

You know those mechanics are in div 2 too right?

[ornate gull]

But not as much usual

[wicked gorge]

I feel it’s a bit more, I count hostage situation along with random patrols harassing civis or just doing random shit, during the manhunt I crossed a outcast patrol about to burn a women

Both games have their strengths and weaknesses

[ornate gull]

Or being forced into True Son

Good old LMB method

Comply or have gun barrel strains on your head

[tepid ibex]

Div1 also had mountains of bodies, in DZ08 & 09. I remember when they first released the Expansion, I believe along with the WSP story, I was shocked seeing mounds of bodies piled against apartment buildings where JTF tried to contain the spread and with Cleaners now burning them. And the combination of yellow ooze and blood on the ground, that whole scene would have smelled awful.

[tepid ibex]

HEY, at least the LMB dressed dapper!

[ashen jungle]

Yep same as in div2's NYC, makes sense since it's the same city.

[torn shoal]

i mean when you factor that a small increase in death rate at any moment morgues get saturated instantly, no wonder if a deadly virus arrive bodies would pile up

now imagine if millions died of the dolalr flu

[surreal quail]

Can someone please tell me, the sewer ghost is real

I've tried to find info on her but theirs nothing anywhere that says anything about it and I'm starting to think I'm crazy

[gaunt ice]

well maybe thats the real ghost ||/s||

tfw it took me 3 days to realize that the trojan horse is Keener

[cold bramble]

😂

[near totem]

Is there any info where will the div 3 take place?

[gaunt ice]

its in like super early phases

i dont think we know anything

[near totem]

I heard people say it will take place in chicago

[cold bramble]

Only speculation. It’s only in very very early production atm

I’ve heard two or three potential places. Russia London and Europe

[near totem]

But i think it will be in San Francisco, because in the cutscene where Ellis gives a speech we see somebody picking up a seeker

[glad spruce]

Either way, we won't know until we get an official gameplay reveal

And considering the Division is American, I highly dount we'll go outside U.S

[near totem]

I dont think so, we havent even solved the crisis in the US and from one of the Reports, Europe is not in a situation similiar to America

[cold bramble]

Ah fair enough

[jade patio]

My guess is in the Midwest, because that is where the 3 Main SHD nodes are (Texas, Kansas, North Dakota) and the BTSU + main bad guys are out to finally get rid of the Division and take over the country

[cold bramble]

I wish division wiki was updated frequently lol. Be easier to catch up with everything

[sick lantern]

not even remotely

[wicked gorge]

The most dangerous US state, Florida

[near totem]

Just Nuke it. Nobody is that insane to deploy in Florida

[wicked gorge]

Not even a nuke would stop Florida man

But in all seriousness, div 3 is probably gonna be set in silver creek

[ashen jungle]

Unless that's a major city I've never heard of, I very much doubt it.

LA would be fun, hit the other coast.

[wicked gorge]

You don’t remember silver creek?

[torn shoal]

wasnt silver creek stuff cancelled ?

also best place for div 3 : the great mountains

lets pretend there is a secret shd stuff there

the view would be great

also a mission set on a plane where we get highjacked by black tusk mid air

[wicked gorge]

Well they probably had most of the map ready, plus with all the lore ties to silver creek, it’s a good chance it’ll be the division 3

[torn shoal]

or maybe im watching too much impossible mission stuff

[sick lantern]

a small, fictional town, would be the antithesis of what div 1 and 2's maps provided

unless we'd be exploring the wilderness it probably wouldn't even be big enough

[wicked gorge]

Fair

[hallow topaz]

Idgaf where it takes place as long as its working from launch.
I'm done buying games just to test them and give feedback as if I'm playing a beta version.
No more bs like:

• shooting Marshmallows, while red enemies hit like legendaries on lvl 3.
• skills that don't work (properly)
• Healing not working
• skill mods that don't do anything
• no bs expertise, but if so, do it from the beginning, not 3 years after launch.
• not 3 DZ's but 1 (best would be to toggle and get the whole map as a DZ).
  Anyone got something else to add?😎

[near totem]

Cool cosmetics

[torn shoal]

asking div 3 to be working from launch is a bit much imo

neither div 1 or 2 did work on launch

[near totem]

I dont think it was that bad in div 2

[torn shoal]

it was kinda bad

i was crashing like every 30min

they fixed a lot of things over the years, but on launch it was horrendous

lot of major changes happenned after launch too, cause balance was completely off

like you could stack heals back then

[near totem]

And they added face customisation

[torn shoal]

and become basically unkillable unless you got a oneshot

[wicked gorge]

I didnt experience that at launch, my one ran pretty smoothly

They want to make div 3 the best, then combined everything people loved from both games

[torn shoal]

well you can check news and posts from 5/6 years ago, it was a mess, a lot of people had problem

but its nice you didnt

[torn shoal]

some of thoses things arent compatible tho, like dz, if you listen to feedback its bad when its one big dz, but its bad when its 3 small dz too

[wicked gorge]

I enjoyed the launch, probably not anything coming from me cause I usually like everything

[wicked gorge]

I never really went into the Dz’s that much, but I understand why everyone wanted a single dark zone

[torn shoal]

if you check dz 1 feedback on dz, they hated the big single dz, saying its too wide and people just ran forever without counterplay when they go rogue

[near totem]

I think the best way to make div 3 work is not to rush it

Too many games got killed because of rush

[sick lantern]

news to me

gets praised more often than 3 dzs, at any rate

[torn shoal]

real

[ashen jungle]

People complain about literally everything, because there's no hive-mind. So it's not useful to say "all players hated this" or "everyone disliked soemthing".

[wicked gorge]

It’s sounding like a cod situation where the community is bipolar as hell

[ashen jungle]

Usually when you actually hear about "all player" complaints, you are hearing a very loud 10% that actually comment online, the rest of them will never say anything.

[torn shoal]

you cant please everyone

thats part of making a game

[near totem]

Thats why target audience exists

[wicked gorge]

Im in the boat where I dont think pvp should be in the division, but since it isn’t forced in my face to play it I don’t really care for it

[torn shoal]

i mean, the whole rogue system mean you gotta get betrayed by other agents, pve rogue arent really that, they are just npc

but sure you can have a story without that

but pvp feature sells games

thats why cod and bf are huge hits usually

even spec ops the line was supposed to be a solo game with only a campaing, the editor forced the devs to make a pvp mode cause they wanted to compete in that market

joke on them the pvp in this game is horrendous and everyone remember the story not the pvp

[wicked gorge]

Cods really the only pvp game I play now, but even then I’m only playing zombies, ive kinda stepped away from PvP due to how toxic its become. The division is probably my all time favorite game and I remember going into the DZ and having a blast but i stopped enjoying it after awhile

[torn shoal]

i mean, lot of people are like you, but there is still a huge amount of people that only wants pvp

[wicked gorge]

I can understand that

[torn shoal]

and that are ready to empty their wallet

[wicked gorge]

I dont remember if I saw it in here or a yt vid talking about the cutscene but someone mentioned that having Keener and Schaffer in the same building is a game changer for the division

[torn shoal]

i mean having keener is already a game changer, but schaeffer doesnt count if he's a coma

tho we all know keener gotta break out soon

he only let himself capture to get access to something

[wicked gorge]

I doubt he will, he wants Manny to trust him so they can work together, Schaffer and Keener are the most important ppl in the White House, Schaffer knows the Black Tusk infrastructure the most along with having access to their base, Keener has the tech and resources to spark a revolution against McManus

[near totem]

I wouldnt say break out, he will just leave politely

[ashen jungle]

I mean, neither of those are likely. When he's trusted enough, they'll let him out of the cell and the Season will get underway.

[wicked gorge]

Keeners gonna be our ears in the field

[torn shoal]

i dont think he can be trusted at all after trying to kill that many people

at best we can try to have him on a leash, but trust him ? nah

[wicked gorge]

You talking about the missile?

[torn shoal]

i mean, yeah, eclipse virus, so many jtf killed, so many agents killed, etc

[sudden mortar]

The coordinated attacked on the remaining JTF force in lower Manhattan

[torn shoal]

also isac wouldnt accept to work with rogues usually, it would turn yourself rogue too, thats why the ending of last mission was weird to me

like walking to keener, helping him, and not arresting him ? doesnt sound right

isac shouldnt allow that

[ashen jungle]

We're in an alternate timeline now, one where our Agent has taken several blows to the head, as has everyone else I guess.
So in this one, Keener's fine.

[torn shoal]

but isac is the inferior ai tho

[torn shoal]

"i swear man i see dead people waking up"

[sudden mortar]

Didn't Keener hack his agent signature, that's why his ring is orange and ISAC didn't say "rogue agent detected"

[torn shoal]

maybe, anna can do stuff isac cant after all

[ashen jungle]

Well he still marked the Decoy as Rogue, although let's be clear: Keener did not hack anything, it was probably Theo.

[torn shoal]

theo or anna

but i gotta be honest, in my heart, anna > theo

cause anna is the sassy one

she's hilarious

if i become an ai someday i wanna be like that

[wicked gorge]

City hall was coordinated due to Keener believing there were Hunters among the agents, the missile is still a plot hole in the keener good guy arc that they’re probably gonna answer at somepoint

[torn shoal]

teach me how to become an ai riven

[torn shoal]

believing there are bad people in a crowd doesnt excuse the killing of the entire crowd tho xd

[sudden mortar]

First, you need to die and transfer your memories to a simulacrum

[torn shoal]

titanfall 2 reference, i like that

[ashen jungle]

Nah that's not an AI, that's human intelligence in a computer.

[ashen jungle]

Cephalon Simaris would like a word.

[torn shoal]

yeah but i want my personnality in an ai, even if its not me

to be as sassy as i am

[wicked gorge]

Step 1: Constantly say Hostiles detected and Safe Area entered

[torn shoal]

dz drop, incoming

[sudden mortar]

Step 2: say "hostile X detected" after saying "rogue X detected" even with the fact that everything that is hostile is rogue, otherwise you wouldn't be shot at

[wicked gorge]

Step 2: Don’t help at all and be completely useless till the plot demands it

[torn shoal]

"wow, you claimed dz drop, good job agent, maybe next time you'll get the drop without using 3 medkit"

[wicked gorge]

Step 3: disable the voice for making you upset with your life decisions and actions

[sudden mortar]

ANNA: safe area detected, or... maybe not?

[sick lantern]

||Happens in Hunted|| so
Extremis Malis and all that I guess

(worked with rogues without themselves being marked rogue)

[open sentinel]

Hostile broadcast detected.... or so it would seem, agent

[waxen sonnet]

Apologies for the late ping if it disturbs you, I've got Flu and can't sleep.

What's the bet it'll come out De la Cruz is going to be a hunter, i mean he escaped being over run by BTSU in the tutorial when they had a whole hovercraft, Then survived being gassed in New York...

[sour perch]

If De La Cruz becomes a hunter
I'll be so mad

[ornate gull]

Why Black Tusk not make Warhound into a rusher?

Warhound become rusher should their weapon being disable/destroyed and use their body to ram at target

[sour perch]

Chaos will ensue

[sudden mortar]

Imagine the warhound start walking in two legs (they canonically can do that) and start punching you like that "atlas" bot from Boston dynamics

[open sentinel]

id alt f4 in 0.3 seconds

just a horror game at that point

[glad spruce]

Just a reminder that we still have 7 Descent comms left for this season. And I'll be recapping for comm 66 once it's available tomorrow Tuesday

[near totem]

Technically, Hunters can be airdropped?

[glad spruce]

Maybe, but they do have some sort of camouflage since they often spawn with a smoke as a way to reveal their presence.

[frail pond]

God, do i just want to get through to the Outcasts thick skulls that "oh, you have suffered, boo hoo, you think that making people suffer just as you do justified? Ah yes, poisoning the well of a community full of people who have nothing to do with the virus, your imprisonment or government is proper justice. Idiots, if you want justice, go take it out on the True Sons and show them that you're better by being actually nice people"

[frail pond]

I mean, seriously, an entire island really goes "I lost my entire family due to the plague, the government abandoned us and the entire city didn't immediately Area 51 this place to free us because they have their own loved ones to care about. You know what would make me feel better? Make every other person in DC lose their family in the most painful way possible, that'll show them"

[torn shoal]

you'd be surprised how many people actually think this way

if thats not an excuse thats still an explaination

[wicked gorge]

Grief is a powerful motivator, once someone is broken, they can easily be reshaped

[tranquil haven]

Given how people IRL actually did physically assault people over toilet paper and being told to wear a surgical mask, I appreciate the vote of confidence in humanity that we kind of don't deserve

[torn shoal]

well, achktually, in crisis, people usually care for each others, the violence doers are outliers

if the dollar flu happenned, factions could be a thing but people would actually help each other most of the time

like if you look at the places that got a big natural disaster, yeah there is some looting, but most people help other people in need

actually the police is one of the most problematic thing in thoses situation

hurricane katrina and such showed it

[ashen jungle]

Okay, that's enough tangents for today, back to div2 and less Intro to Philosophy.

[torn shoal]

yeah i just wanted to say, tom clancys story are all fun and all but not really realistic

reality would be far less interesting imo

[near totem]

I have a theory that might be pointless but i think, that the hunters that we seen in survival were air dropped into the DZ some time before we knew about the antivirals and were tasked to find them first or just use the antivirals to bait agents in to their trap and kill how many agents they can

[glad spruce]

It's an interesting theory.

[torn shoal]

yeah but why ?

hunters job is to kill rogue agents

not randomly

[near totem]

Yea but now they see all of us as rogues because we didnt follow Ellis

[torn shoal]

yeah but back then it wasnt the case, we were still on mission

and gov hadnt fall yet

[ashen jungle]

Hunters job being to kill Rogue Agents makes the existence of the Puzzle Hunters that much funnier.

[torn shoal]

"posed in front of a grave of a dead soldier and saluting them ? thats a rogue agent to me"

[near totem]

Propably the other reason is that Macmanus told them to kill us

[torn shoal]

but mcmanus was still in charge at that moment, whats the point of sending hunters when he could just recall us

or not send a 2nd wave

[sick lantern]

mcmanus is evil and Hunters are for killing agents he doesn't like

simple as

[glad spruce]

It doesn't take rocket science to understand both McManus and Sokolova are evil.

[near totem]

I think when they sent the 2nd wave, they got the info about rogues much later

And propably it was more of Presidents decision not Macmanus

[torn shoal]

meh, evil character with no motivation for what they do is bad writing, i hope they come up with something actually

[sick lantern]

isn't there a comm in WoNY where the president (heart attack one) hears about rogues and then decides to activate the second wave (which contradicts Faye not knowing about rogues initially)

[sick lantern]

Sokolova's personally stated motivation is to "save the world from itself", whatever that is supposed to mean

[torn shoal]

they knew about rogues already, they sent 2nd wave cause 1st wave was all dead or rogues

[near totem]

I think they said "dead or missing"

[torn shoal]

same thing

they just didnt told us

but they knew

[glad spruce]

Means building a one world empire. And given she wanted to control the U.S's arsenal of nukes via President Ellis, that's not a good sign.

[torn shoal]

also they could still recall us

and they didnt

[near totem]

Well the 2nd wave was much bigger

[sick lantern]

not really lol
Faye says as you fly in to NYC "I found out a bit more about the first wave, they're all either dead or MIA"
you would think the fact that some of them are in fact still alive, would be an important part of that summary lmao- she simply didn't know
she's shocked and appaled in Police Academy when she sees rogues for the first time
and maybe, the President just didn't announce that he knew?

[near totem]

It was activated in the whole country not just NY

[torn shoal]

yeah but it doesnt matter, they still had a gov in place, they could recall us all

they send a message "go home" with their watch

and isac is a good boy so it just execute

[near totem]

I think the gov was more focused on killing eachother for power

[sick lantern]

but why would the president do that? he was legit

[glad spruce]

And if Second Wave was recalled, the whole story in Div 1 wouldn't happen. Or at least, go very differently.

[torn shoal]

i mean, then use hunters to do your killings directly, at that point a normal coup is on the table

[torn shoal]

yes, thats why its not the case, but then it create plotholes

[glad spruce]

Ok

[torn shoal]

hunters werent design to be dogs on a leash, they were created to be really scary in the first game

i still think giving them an origin story isnt a good decision

the mystery was better

[glad spruce]

They were gonna be elaborated on, sooner or later

And frankly, I prefer the idea they're watch dogs on a leash to keep watch on agents and eliminate them if they're off-mission.

[torn shoal]

yeah cause its ubi, they need backstory for everything now

[sick lantern]

I think it's necessary to solve a mystery at some point, in terms of storytelling
having it be just unsolved is interesting but, a bit cheap, lazy, whatever, questions without answers aren't a plot
sad that the answer we got was a little bit doodoo however

[torn shoal]

but i still think its a bad decision

or at least to have them on a leash

[glad spruce]

Wanna know what should stay a mystery? The current situation in other states

[torn shoal]

like if they were really free to do whatever they want to hunt rogues, it would be fine, but right now they really are dogs on a leash that cant do anything remotely interesting

[glad spruce]

Ok

[torn shoal]

they are basically not scary now

[glad spruce]

So?

[torn shoal]

well it ruins their purpose

their purpose was to be a real threat, that we feared

[near totem]

Well there are still agents that never fought them

[torn shoal]

now its just another chunga that move faster

[glad spruce]

Okay, what do you want me to do about it, Lyfe?

[torn shoal]

nothing, im not telling you to do anything lol

im just complaining in the void

cause there is nothing else to do

thats just how it is

for better or worse

[glad spruce]

... I guess

[torn shoal]

i mean i know its not your fault you aint writing the lore at massive x)

[sick lantern]

i agree completely

they used to be monsters, now they're just people

literally unmasked like scooby doo villains

[glad spruce]

Mhmm. I still think they're intimidating