division-universe

[near totem]

Do we know what happened to our NYC agent?

[waxen sonnet]

Cannonically left open, if you like, you could even pretend the sheriff is your agent from NYC

[near totem]

Well i kinda made them to look like eachother

[near totem]

Who is the 13?

[glad spruce]

I discussed this with Jack and I've been thinking about the latest Descent comm. What if the Hunter that Cal was in contact with is Doug Sutton? IIRC, Sutton was away when his squad got ambushed and killed.

It would explain how Cal was surprised when Sutton informed him that his team is not willing to ditch New York

[sick lantern]

Sounds like a Rikers boss from Div 1 lol idk
wdym?

[wicked gorge]

A rogue figure that wanders the wasteland

[wicked gorge]

It’s someone from the bloody knuckle exotic description and a couple of named gear in div 2

[near totem]

He is on few weapons like the bakers dozen and stage left

[sick lantern]

someone from the deck of 52?

[glad spruce]

I checked all the Snitch Cards in the collectibles. There's no one by the name of 13 there

[wicked gorge]

There really isn’t any evidence of an actual name so there’s a chance they might appear in the dlc, but it’s probably just a throw away character

[glad spruce]

Besides a few exceptions, we don't even know a lot about the characters mentioned in flavor texts from Named Items and Exotics

[wicked gorge]

Only evidence we have is they may have been an agent from the flavor text of the bloody knuckle exotic

[waxen sonnet]

Thinking about it, there really are dozens of agents name dropped we've never seen, and it lots of cases never will.

[wicked gorge]

Then there’s the whole theory that Sutton was a hunter and that’s possible, I wouldn’t mind since Sutton went awol to avenge his squad, unless they do it where the stolen tech had evidence of McManus

[glad spruce]

Yeah, the one I talked about earlier.

[waxen sonnet]

I was actually speaking about that to Hawkster earlier, I'll just copy and paste what I was saying to him but:

"Still a lot of Confusion behind this being the Original Noble squad from the Comments I've seen, though i've seen the Suggestion Doug Sutton was the Hunter, which would explain why he was away from Noble squad when they were Ambushed and killed."

[wicked gorge]

Im fine with that twist but if it’s plays into the reason he went to “avenge” his squad then that’s where imma be disappointed

[waxen sonnet]

I think he went back with his orders from Calvin, only to already find them dead, throw away his orders from Calvin wanting to avenge his Cell, only to be killed saving April in the process

[glad spruce]

Yeah, I'd reckon Cal ordered him to follow through the mission, but Doug threw that to avenge his cell.

[wicked gorge]

Doug was a real one, avenge his brothers and sisters while saving a innocent

Im starting to believe that every division cell has at least 1 hunter

[glad spruce]

A sleeper agent within a sleeper agent.

A Paradox, I could say

[wicked gorge]

What’s more interesting to think that since there undercover agents so there’s a solid chance that two hunters could be apart of the same cell and not know they’re hunters

[waxen sonnet]

I think agents brought by Cal to the Descent Simulation were there to be inducted directly into the Hunter program, Perhaps Vivian was always intended to be a sleeper Hunter before going rogue (Something we already are learning through Keener's current comms has happened before)

[glad spruce]

I like that we agreed to call the combat simulation program Descent

[wicked gorge]

Maybe we’re all sleeper agents in a sleeper agent society

Then there’s gonna be the undercover faction that’s more secretive then the hunters

[waxen sonnet]

Phoenix's going full Illuminati on us today I see 😂

The hunters are having said that an Amazing twist after all these years of Fan theory

[wicked gorge]

I’ve read nothing but European imperialism and failing nations for the past two days, so im just trying to either solve theories or create them

[waxen sonnet]

Little bit of Light reading then huh mate.

[wicked gorge]

It is an interesting concept to ponder tho, what if the hunters have a contingency for themselves

[wicked gorge]

College discussions and essay research

[waxen sonnet]

I Dont think the Hunters have the autonomy for a contingency if you take out McManus, My theory being when we kill McManus, probably in the DLC, We'll see the Hunters shatter, spilling out into elements who Join BTSU, Others who go rogue etc

[wicked gorge]

Probably or maybe they’ll reform and join the division

[waxen sonnet]

I Highly doubt it, I reckon if we get McManus and we get his watch, we get his know-how of all things Hunters, including who

They'll realise the Agents know who they are now, and flee from what is likely going to be a very strong reprisal huntdown.

[wicked gorge]

If thats the case, are watch better turn into a RGB watch

[waxen sonnet]

It'll make ISAC Run faster like those Pro Gamers say trust me

[wicked gorge]

I just want it for the color change, hehe switching lights make my gun go boom

[glad spruce]

I'm paraphrasing from Hunter novel, but one quote keeps me in mind:

The more you control, the easier it slips away

[waxen sonnet]

What you thinking about with that quote?

[glad spruce]

Natalya and Calvin

[cold bramble]

What’s your guys theories on what’s going on at silvers creek? Aside from what we already know

[glad spruce]

IIRC, there's a hidden seed vault lab

[wicked gorge]

It’s where McManus keeps his watch and shoe collection

[marsh sundial]

Thinking, would be able to change the orange of our HUD to different colors be a dumb "you finished the dlc" reward?

[sick lantern]

maybe Killian Towers was gonna turn out to be a Hunter

[cold bramble]

Maybe we’ll find out some time this year 😂

[sudden mortar]

I guess everyone is a hunter, we just don't know that.

[wicked gorge]

The final week until we discover Keeners plan and probably see Kelso, so anyone got any theories of the final manhunt?

[echo turret]

We meet Keener face to face but before the reveal we get interrupted by a hunter?

[glad spruce]

Prediction: Black Tusk gets a headstart and we have to deal with them before we can meet Keener

[ashen jungle]

I'm just going to add in the obligatory: Kelso get's Lau'd, and we find out later that she was still on our side.

[glad spruce]

That wouldn't work as she's actually on our side since her last note says she wants to finish what Lau syafted

[ashen jungle]

"Lau'd" here meaning that she dies taking something too far, but was ultimately not against us.

you know, Lau's VA being too expensive anymore kinda thing.

she's great in The Rookie if you've never seen it.

[glad spruce]

I don't know who Lau's VA is, but I'll take your word for it.

[ashen jungle]

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2047780/

[cold bramble]

Mellisa O’Neil???? How am I only just finding this out lmao

[ashen jungle]

IKR? Shocked when I found out too. Totally different voice in other stuff.

[cold bramble]

Can anyone explain the Division 2 ending for me? I'm a bit confused. Is the Division bad? Are we all Rogue agents from the beginning?

I assume once you get the Shd watch you are rogue right?

And if that is the case, who's the good guys then?

[glad spruce]

Which ending, last season?

You're gonna have to be more specific

[clear skiff]

Extremis Malis - Extrema Remedia loosely translates to "Whatever it takes" or "Desperate times call for desperate measures" so there's a point to be made that the SHD is bad (the SHD also does some pretty morally questionable shit), also no we aren't rogue agents (atleast until the first rogue manhunt ends)

[waxen sonnet]

Technically there's no ending yet, the story is ongoing, so we're still all waiting for these questions to be answered.

Elements of the Division under McManus (Hunter's) have allied to work with the Black Tusk, Any agent still fighting against the black tusk is being classed as Rogue.

[cold bramble]

So we are rogue then? Since we are fighting Black Tusk?

There was a mission I did yesterday where I had to secure antivirals that the Black Tusk was trying to take and at one point, the boss you fight at the end wanted to launch missiles at the White House which is the Base of Operations but her boss told her not to. I found it odd that he didn't want her to destroy the primary thing that the Division agents use as a base

[strange rock]

We are rogue at this point of the story (which you'll have to catch up to)

[waxen sonnet]

Not exactly, the Black Tusk have an alliance with the Hunter's and the founder of the Division Calvin McManus, and since the death of the President, who would normally issue Orders to the Division, The black tusk/allied agents say We're off mission and rogue.

You'll catch up, but we're only Rogue by technicality, morally we're still saving what remains.

[cold bramble]

Seems I gotta brush up on the lore. I never played the Division 1 so I'm not aware of everything going on

[waxen sonnet]

Yeah, you can find videos on YouTube by NGN That will give you a catch up

[cold bramble]

I just finished the main story and now I'm doing the manhunts, keener manhunt is what I'm doing right now

[waxen sonnet]

Do you mean in New York, or this current season!

?*

[cold bramble]

I did the Warlords of New York expansion campaign and the base game campaign

[waxen sonnet]

Ah, so this season then got it.

[cold bramble]

Hopefully there's gonna be more expansions

[glad spruce]

There is the Brooklyn DLC that's coming out early next year

[cold bramble]

New Division DLC before GTA 6 😢

Would be a good idea tbh 😂

Gta is end of the year anyway

[glad spruce]

And look at it this way, we won't have to wait a long time for the DLC

[cold bramble]

Yeah the way time is going fast

[wicked gorge]

That’s too crazy Hawkster, they couldn’t do that

[ashen jungle]

I mean, it's either going to be BT as the antagonists for the DLC or Keener, with the other one being the main for div3.
I'd say Keener is a safer bet to "end" things with in the DLC, BT are a better "full video game antagonist" type, so 3 seems more likely.

[gaunt ice]

thats like a given now

like BT is gonna show up either way

unless the main faction of the season finale are 15 rogue shd caches

“this is your final test Agent” or some shit like that

[cold quiver]

I kind of hope Kenner is in the next Division game. He's fun! And provides a moral quandary and makes you think if there's a point to remaining fully loyal to the Division. I like the intrigue and depth to it all. Or maybe successors to him. Would also fit my headcanon for the Division universe's version of the Umbrella Corporation.

[near totem]

If the blacktusk will be in the next dlc, it would be great if it was something else that we have seen. Like CBRN unit, new specops or something like that

[sick lantern]

BTSU are the spec ops

well... certainly special in their own way

[glad spruce]

I would love to see new Black Tusk units. Seeing the bulwark shields that BT troops left behind during the White House's attack makes me think its possible

[near totem]

Just like LMB tanks

[near totem]

We need them even more special

[sudden mortar]

Imagine on the dlc, everything that is supposed to be orange becomes red bcs we're rogue, and we have the ISAC voice lines being said by ANNA.

[near totem]

I think the voice lines would change, instead of ISACs "Agent out of Action" ANNA would say something like "i think you need help, should i notify somebody"

Something like that

She would be more human than isac

[sudden mortar]

Cortana 2.0 basically

[near totem]

Yep that kind of thing

[sudden mortar]

Imagine this: you die and she says: error delta-3

[near totem]

Or Lmao skill issue

[wicked gorge]

If Anna says skill issue to me, im uninstalling the division

[wicked gorge]

The warhounds can stand on two feet and type on computers how special do you want this unit to be

[near totem]

But can they drive a forklift?

[wicked gorge]

Technically you could download a forklift video for dummies into their databanks and they could

[near totem]

Total robodog mayhem

[wicked gorge]

“Instead of creating suicide warhounds, we implemented them with the function to drive forklifts and deliver crayons to soldiers on the battlefield” -Sokolova

[near totem]

Favorite Marine meal?

[wicked gorge]

Mac n cheese flavor crayons hit the spot

They’re reserved for the white tusk

[near totem]

And only if they get the agent to rage quit

[near totem]

What hapoened to all the JTF and NYPD officers after div 1? Did they join the peacekeepers?

[wicked gorge]

Some did, others remained in midtown so they’re probably guarding the BOO in midtown

[near totem]

Or maybe they work as mailmen

[wicked gorge]

The JTF doesn’t really exist in the division universe, aside from guarding the boo in dc, they don’t really do much

[near totem]

Well a Post office is a Post office

[wicked gorge]

Mailmen are apart of the Jtf I think

[near totem]

Propably not in the games but they secured few highways

They are everywhere but in the places we need them

[sudden mortar]

Nah, we would need a LQ-84I if you know what I mean.

[wicked gorge]

The mailmen or the Jtf?

[ashen jungle]

By the time most of the national guard had been killed off, they started getting basically any government employee, so you are actually 100% right about some of them being posties (mailmen).

[wicked gorge]

The only thing I pictured from that is the Lego ninjago postman serving in the JTF and beating the shit out of rikers with a broom

[ornate gull]

I been wondering

If Hunter was 3rd wave

Will there be 4th wave?

Do 4th activate if Event of Hunter gone rogue or Entire Hunter got wipe out by Division Agent actively do manhunt on every Hunter spotted and present in area as i know that Division Agent will treat Hunter as Rogue Agent as ISAC identified their shd tech as rogue

[cold bramble]

That’s a good question

I imagine most if not all waves are now active though

[waxen sonnet]

Hunter's aren't so much a third wave as Imbeded into the second wave as sleeper agents

[glad spruce]

While the Hunters were made as a a failsafe against Rogue Agents, they're more often used against any agents who are fighting Black Tusk or not loyal to McManus

[waxen sonnet]

Ironically, Hunters have been deployed more on Loyalist Agents than they ever have Rogues ...

[sick lantern]

is there even a source on “Hunters are a fail safe against rogues” or is it just something people assumed
Hunters have been targeting non rogue agents (namely the player character) in the majority of their appearances… in fact i don’t think they’ve killed any known rogues on screen, just implied by the fact that they have rogue watches lol
we’ve known hunters were bad since forever and we knew mcmanus was bad as soon as he first appeared by way of working with them and the BT… is there even any lore on Hunters being anything but his private forces

A Hunter attempted? to kill rogues in the Schaeffer manhunt but that Hunter was a weird outlier

is it in a Descent comm I haven’t listened to?

and if so it was assuredly just McManus making excuses to create his private executioner force

[glad spruce]

A Descent comm called Release

[sick lantern]

right thanks

[wild lotus]

Pretty sure it’s well known the hunters are there to kill the division so the homeland division (McManus) can take their place at the top

Or something similar to that it’s been a while

[marble dawn]

I think its more that they are after rogue agents (from Cal's point of view) rather than just rogue agents (marked by ISAC)

[glad spruce]

Yep

[waxen sonnet]

Not that it works because Player Agents are Just built different compared to Cal's hunters.

[cold bramble]

In what way? Because my agent sure as hell ain’t built for a fight with hunters 😂

[waxen sonnet]

Ok for the benefit of Determined

MOST Player agent's seem able to stand one on one to Hunters

[cold bramble]

😂😂

[ashen jungle]

Canon Hunters are an odd bunch, they're somewhere between story difficulty and Legendary+

[waxen sonnet]

In game Hunters are nothing on the Hunter from Thomas Parrott's Hunted given the sheer tanking that it took (and I wont say more because Maniek is still reading through it)

[ashen jungle]

I did say "canon" not "ingame", but I understand the confusion.

[waxen sonnet]

Elements of (Including Characters) Thomas's work are now mentioned directly in the game, which makes them cannonical.

[ashen jungle]

The lack of the words "ingame" in my post was meant to imply that it's referring to the extended lore stuff, whether elements are included in the game or not.
If you're done checking my credentials, let's move on.

[ornate gull]

Playing through div1 open world task

I see a missing person quest about team of 3 div agent being corner by Riker to garage workshop in alley

Riker killed that team and take their weapon and seem to be bag of shd tech

[waxen sonnet]

No, what Im trying to say is, Canon Hunters can now Include Thomas's Hunter, because Presumably because main characters and plot elements of the books are now being mentioned into the game, it would make the whole events canonical, including the Hunter from Hunted

[ashen jungle]

The echo's and comms in div1 are great, I really enjoy the gang of kids that robbed the Rioter.

[ornate gull]

And the ending of mission was satisfied but also regretful

Another agent revenge the team but also cost his life

[ashen jungle]

Tied for best comm has to the the stalking victim who tricked her stalker into calling his own mother.

[waxen sonnet]

Doug Sutton, He's also the Agent who rescues April Kelleher 🙂

[ornate gull]

And there funny echo of riker provoked LMB behind wall only to get lead to head

[near totem]

If fighting a hunter would be scary, imagine what would it be fighting Wright

Walking tank on fire

[waxen sonnet]

Having done this two days ago for the first time, god Wright is a **, Take all the advantages of Hunter's armour, add Fire, and get locked in a room smaller than a changing room, swarm it with dozens of extra cleaners and you're in for a hell of a time.

But the flaming hunter armour is a teeny tiny bit silly.

[wicked gorge]

Nah

[near totem]

It looks cool but its not exactly cool inside

[waxen sonnet]

I Love how my man the Hunter PFP Instantly leaps in to defend his fellow Hunter 😂

[wicked gorge]

Nah-McManus

[near totem]

He would just overheat, hit a wall and die

[waxen sonnet]

The real Wright would've Just roasted alive in that Armour lets be honest

[near totem]

Yeah but he would just ram us and die with us

[waxen sonnet]

Also. He's the first Hunter (iirc) that seems to not only Primarily only carry an Axe in terms of weaponry, but its the first two handed battleaxe style crash axe compared to the normal One handed Crash Axe on other Hunters

[near totem]

Yeah he is really serious about that axe

[wicked gorge]

I never killed a hunter, it’s just the hunters in survival somehow magically die from freezing temp

[near totem]

I mean he is more buff than other hunters

[wicked gorge]

We got a fire hunter, now we’re gonna get a ice hunter

[near totem]

I didnt kill the guy, the m44 did!

[waxen sonnet]

The fact it can stagger, burn and one hit an Agent, hard to blame the guy

[near totem]

He propably was obsessed about medival times

[wicked gorge]

But seriously, the heat insulation in wrights suit has to be top tier for him to keep himself lit while creating a hell room without suffering negative is top notch

I mean if you were wright, would you lose a big ass axe?

[waxen sonnet]

Its more like a Statement piece. Hunter's use the axe as a weapon of fear as much as a weapon of war.

Hunter's know the fact they can approach an agent or group of agents with only an axe, seeming nigh-unkillable due to the body armour, Skills and even the ability to call for help Jammed is a terrifying thing even for a hardened agent, its as Psychologically damaging as it is Physically, even if you survive, it becomes something of a ghost-story meets Morale killer

[near totem]

And after surviving something like that you will always feel insecure

[waxen sonnet]

Anddddd to top it off you'd now have to know the Hunter was a member of the SHD, You'd trust nobody even at a supposed "safehouse"

[wicked gorge]

I’d like to see hunters use more guerrilla tactics, it’s what makes them so powerful to me

[near totem]

Traps would be cool

Better than div 1

[waxen sonnet]

True, we do kinda see that in the Agent Edwards Mission, he sets Edwards as a trap, ambushes, and immediatly shocks us

[wicked gorge]

Oh if I die to a hunter tripwire I’m gonna be angy

[wicked gorge]

I remember survival the most, once you enter the dz your hud starts to glitch constantly like your being stalked while you’ll occasionally come across agents that have been multilated and have their crash axes stuck in them

[waxen sonnet]

I never played Div1, but Im aware IIRC They were strung up progressively more and more as you approach an extract

[near totem]

Yep

[near totem]

And the sounds of the axe swings. Yeah those were creepy

[wicked gorge]

What’s IIRC? But yeah, some of the dz entrances will have strung up agents and i like it to acting liking a omen to know something wrong is going on but you got no choice but to push forward and seeing them closer to the extract is just enforcing it

[near totem]

If
I
Recall
Correctly

[wicked gorge]

Not to mention their execution in the DBNO state, I wish hunters still had th

[wicked gorge]

Thx, im not really good with abbreviations

[near totem]

Happens to everybody.

[waxen sonnet]

Sorry, Im abbreviating "If I Recall Correctly"

[wicked gorge]

The hunters now just feel like they’re just another issue in our way, i kinda miss the mysterious of them along with their ghostly persona, i still like the story we got with them but i miss the fear from them

[waxen sonnet]

I Always remember that Image in the artwork of the agent desperately trying to stop the Hunter executing another downed Agent

I Think one of my DIV 1 or 2 Artbooks still have it

[wicked gorge]

Have y’all discussed what happens if a hunter goes rogue?

[waxen sonnet]

Technically we know thats already happened

[wicked gorge]

With viper?

[waxen sonnet]

Yeah.

[wicked gorge]

Well im more in the what if the failsafe for rouges goes rouge, as far as we seen viper was never outta d for being awol and working with keener

[ashen jungle]

I think Rogues would look pretty good in some shades of rouge.

[near totem]

Would be cool if you could post it here. Cant find anything like that on the web

[waxen sonnet]

I Got you man, I'll send it over in a direct message!

[near totem]

Thanks

What happens when a hunter runs out of space to put watches on his gear?

[wicked gorge]

They tie them around their waist and create a trail of them, rumor has it if you listen close enough, you can hear the scratching of watches

Logically, I think hunters only take the watches of agents that actually put up a challenge before being taken down

[near totem]

Yeah, no fun in wearing watches from random corpses

[wicked gorge]

If anything they would collect the watches and probably store them for later use, like in the reign of fire trailer how bt were hooking shd watches up to a system

[ashen jungle]

BT secretly using them as christmas lights.

[wicked gorge]

Its a orange and red Christmas agents

[near totem]

It could be a great memorial idea

[ashen jungle]

They can host their annual party at the Celebraton Hotel CP.

[wicked gorge]

I can’t wait for the division Christmas special “How the Black Tusk stole Christmas”

[next hemlock]

😂

[near totem]

Lets hope nobody lived near that Hotel. You can go insane from that christmas music on loop.

[ornate gull]

It not Christmas without Snow

Imaging div2 during winter

And ubisoft have good idea that implemented Survival Hyperthermia To regular gameplay

[ashen jungle]

I would uninstall so fast my SSD would shoot out of the dock.

[cold bramble]

It’s cool to think of the possibilities of features and stuff we could have in the game tbf though

Like mayao pointed out

[ashen jungle]

I obviously don't care if it's optional, but I've spoken to more than a few people who want it as mandatory.
Being 100% honest: Survival didn't exactly seem to do that great, at least from what we know. I doubt they'd add it to div2.

maybe a fully re-worked mode for 3.

[ornate gull]

Tbh with you

Survival actually do great

Thinking about it

40 player in a match, resources are limited, if you behind someone, you won't have much to loot and you won't have enough gear to run DZ especially when anti viral is within landmark

[near totem]

And instead of snow storm there would be a sandstorm

And we could still use the food and water mechanic

[sudden mortar]

world designers at MSV: Change the color of the sandstorm to white, and change the rain "lines" to only dots, you got snow, problem solved

[near totem]

Perfect

[waxen sonnet]

That is a Bethesda level it just works moment

[gaunt ice]

what Rivs meant that it didn’t perform very well i think

which is fair i guess given the game’s notoriety back then

its great when you look back but i can see why it didn’t do very wel

i think one of the devs once said that they will only do survival if they’re sure it will be better than the original

thats about it
there’s also Heartlands but we all know what happened to it

[glad spruce]

With the current state of XDefiant, maybe it wasn't wise of Ubi to cancel Heartlands

[ashen jungle]

I'm unsure if it's confirmed or not, but the idea behind Heartland's cancelation seems to be at least reported as: not too many live-service games at once. Which, fair.

[glad spruce]

3 days left

[near totem]

Will we have a reward for completing the manhunt again?

[glad spruce]

No idea.

I am interested in the Horse patch as the Manhunt completion reward given the Greek Mythology references in this season

[wicked gorge]

I thought survival was one of the best dlcs from the 3 in div1?

Or the better reviewed of the dlcs

[wicked gorge]

I thought xdefiant was doing good, I haven’t touched that game in months due to wanting to slam my head into a window?

[sick lantern]

it's probably the most universally acclaimed thing in the franchise lol, think they mean financially which idk if any numbers on that are officially out

[wicked gorge]

Ahhh, okay gotcha. Thank just remember a lot of people loving survival for being something completely new and technically being one of the first battle royals

[strange rock]

It's certainly the mostly loved but once they released it they didn't work much on it after (example, west side piers and higher dzs don't exist in survival).

And once you know the location of things it becomes less challenging

But as a concept yes it's massive's best work

[sick lantern]

as far as I'm concerned adding more to the Survival map probably would've just made it worse anyway

WSP would just be spawning further from the DZ, getting worse loot for longer and losing more time travelling

[strange rock]

I get that but map parity would've been nice. And the upper DZs fit survival very well imo

[gaunt ice]

tbf xd was fundamentally flawed down to the engine,it was a good distraction but its as much of a cod killer as battlebit being a battlefield killer
it never stood a chance

but its nice and i hope ubi commits to it
unlike…hyper space

anyway 3 days until the slop is over

insert man breaking out of chains meme

are we going to see the man Baron Cleaner

or is it gonna be another black tusk shooting range

[wicked gorge]

Id go with the latter, last several manhunts have been black tusk shooting range

[gaunt ice]

hunter power scaling is wack

[near totem]

If somebody calls a game a killer of something, it will die

[gaunt ice]

they’re like terminator level of tank in the books

but ingame apparently they just drop like flies

the only one remotely close to being tanky got nuked(literally)

[wicked gorge]

I’ve heard so many horror games say it’ll kill dead by daylight and it’s still standing as a popular game

[gaunt ice]

the others just go down like the rest

[gaunt ice]

because developers wanna do their own thing instead of being glued to a certain vision

[near totem]

If they tried to copy it then its not a suprise it didnt work

[gaunt ice]

battlebit devs didn’t want it to be just a carbon copy of battlefield with roblox graphics

thats why it “fell off”

[wicked gorge]

Only game that stood a chance was the Friday the 13th game, but we know know how that ended

[near totem]

A "gamer killer" is great when its original and better than the game that it tries to kill

[near totem]

If it was free it could live a little longer

[gaunt ice]

if it was free it’d have died even faster with all the cheaters

theres like 3 people working on the game lol

thats why i doubt delta force will even “kill” battlefield

[near totem]

Well atleast they had a small win

[gaunt ice]

its gonna kill battlefield like how the agent and Kelso “killed” Keener

(i call bs)

[near totem]

If i heard right they had to change many things to not get the killer letter

[wicked gorge]

I like it the way it is, while I agree it can get easy when you memorize everything, but I kinda like it kept the original map and we can experience both the original map and the updated map

[gaunt ice]

nah they had to change because people pointed out that it blatantly ripped off animations and UI from battlefield 2042 and mw2019

[near totem]

Well if they would leave it the killer letter would came

[sick lantern]

Haze the Halo killer
Ubi, bring back Haze you cowards

i'd play a remake

[gaunt ice]

tf is Haze

[sick lantern]

a really quite bad FPS that Ubi made for the PS3

well published by Ubi

had an interesting concept and that's about it

[wicked gorge]

The true battlefield and cod killer was pixel gun 3d

[near totem]

With a guy in a yellow helmet on the cover?

[sick lantern]

yea

[near totem]

Looked cool

[drifting ingot]

looks like a mix of crysis and halo (from first look)

[near totem]

Now its just pay 2 play and pay even more to win

[gaunt ice]

pixel gun was ruined

[wicked gorge]

A lot of mobile games got ruined by sellouts

[gaunt ice]

but ima be the 🤓 and tell yall to go to #off-topic-discussions

[near totem]

But not like that

[near totem]

Well somebody has to be that person

[gaunt ice]

i hope they just surprise us for the finale and let us blow Keeners brains out

[wicked gorge]

In a matter of hours this will all be erased from the archives

[gaunt ice]

sealing a terrible plot point with another terrible plot point

[wicked gorge]

Then turns out it’s another 3d hologram and we get more angy

[gaunt ice]

the very idea that Keener survived liberty island is stupid

like that alone should be enough to dismiss the entire current plotline

[sick lantern]

how many seasons are left before the DLC anyway?
I presume whatever happens at the end of one of these manhunts will set us up for whatever happens in it
like idk maybe the Roamers will arrive in Brooklyn in a cutscene something like that

[gaunt ice]

“somehow palpatine returned” type shit writing

[drifting ingot]

well, i wasnt there kinda stuff

[gaunt ice]

after the next one
which is….4 months

[near totem]

He will just knock us out, leave a letter and here we go again

[gaunt ice]

come on ubi show me something

[sick lantern]

ah
so nothing will happen at the end of the season then

[gaunt ice]

anything for the dlc

[wicked gorge]

Well judging by most of the player base, many didn’t like Keeners portrayal in Wony, plus we get keener back so I don’t think anyone cares that much

[gaunt ice]

me pulling up to the joint with a 100% hazpro build:

[sick lantern]

20 second cutscene
"Agent, you passed my trials. Good job. Now come with me, I've something to show you..." and that's all you get til next season

[near totem]

And they hit us with "you are finally awake"

[wicked gorge]

“Now that you completed my trials, go do more trials”

[gaunt ice]

so you fix 1 bad plot point with another bad plot point

[sick lantern]

true lmao

[wicked gorge]

Welcome to Ubisoft

[gaunt ice]

like wony is stupid ik but it just turned Keener into a generic Bond villain

which is bad but they could’ve just left it there imo

[near totem]

I think he baited us with eclipse

[gaunt ice]

yea right as if eclipse worked last time

[wicked gorge]

But raises a big question

WHAT WAS HE GONNA HIT WITH THE MISSLE

I can just imagine the agent fails to stop it and keener says “oh, I wasn’t expecting you to let it launch, this is awkward”

[gaunt ice]

agent you dont get it i totally need this bioweapon to shoot the secret society’s bunker in the middle of manhattan

[near totem]

Yeah its the shadow goverment

[gaunt ice]

he has dialogues for when you fail to stop it and it actually launches

watch as they retroactively retcon that part too

like those reddit theories about the missile being a hologram

[near totem]

We should do something about those stupid theories

Its getting scary

[gaunt ice]

we do and that is making fun of them here

[wicked gorge]

“Actually agent i was never gonna launch the missile, i just wanted you to destroy it, and since you didn’t you killed manhattan”

[gaunt ice]

epic victory royale

i actually liked wony up until liberty island

i thought the individual parts are a ok

[wicked gorge]

The story now makes sense but at launch it was disrespectful to his character

[gaunt ice]

it really doesn’t make sense even now

i think the only believable part was Theo not actually being dead

thats a plausible stretch,maybe he had a double and we just left him there cuz why tf not

[wicked gorge]

Made more sense than hornet being alivr

[gaunt ice]

Keener claimed that he fooled ISACs biometrics which is bullshit because no one bothered to visually checking the body?

like hello?double tap?

actually check if his vitals are still on?

bag and tag?

[wicked gorge]

Yeah ISAC had the plot convince protocol active

[gaunt ice]

nah just leave him there to rot bro he’s tooootally dead

yea bro Kelso was into it the whole time trust me brooooo it was totally planned from the start brooooo

[wicked gorge]

That’s another thing, they basically “killed” division’s enemy number one and was like, yeah we’re gonna leave his corpse here

[gaunt ice]

might as well bring back Scarecrow

[sick lantern]

more like SHOULD HAVE

[gaunt ice]

tbf Scarecrow’s only relevance is that he’s the first rogue that we have ever seen

[sick lantern]

they tried to sell us on Hornet being army buddies with Keener, when that plot literally would've made more sense with Scarecrow

[wicked gorge]

Least Keener and Theo are my favorite rogues so imma let the bs slide

[gaunt ice]

i forgot if Scarecrow ever had any lore relevance tbh

he showed up and got nae naed on

[sick lantern]

out of the four man division cell, Scarecrow was the one Keener convinced to go rogue, to other two he had to kill
being a part of his cell means that Keener knew him before the outbreak

Keener is the first rogue, Scarecrow is the second

[gaunt ice]

ahhh

[sick lantern]

Hornet, Raptor and Domino were randos that Keener met

[gaunt ice]

do we ever know who the other 2 are?

[sick lantern]

dont think so

[gaunt ice]

the ones that Keener killed

ahhhh

[wicked gorge]

Police academy I think

[gaunt ice]

nope those were random agents

[wicked gorge]

Ah then either joined him or got gun down by them

Or the latter they died in the dz pullout

[gaunt ice]

from a plot standpoint it’d at least give Keener some personal vendetta against Division other than the incredibly contrived “he was betrayed” bs

yea sure he felt betrayed…for like 5 seconds and then realized he’s in a GTA online server

[sick lantern]

it's in one of the phone calls from Keener, saying he only managed to get one out of three or something

[gaunt ice]

join or die is how the first wave worked actually

you just get gunned down if you refuse like those agents at the academy

[wicked gorge]

Ik what your mentioning so yeah keener probably no scoped them

[sick lantern]

especially considering Keener is now alive again, if I was in charge of directing the Division universe or whatever, I'd comission a book about Keener to flesh him out more

he's done some stuff we've only heard of not seen

[wicked gorge]

I just want a dlc of keeners story

[gaunt ice]

eh its just gonna be average edgy bad guy stuff tbh

[wicked gorge]

I wouldn’t say it’ll be that edgy

[gaunt ice]

imagine AC rogue but the brotherhood never betrayed Shay and he was just kinda a dirtbag

[sick lantern]

prologue would be his time in the military, show him getting recruited, his wives lmao, the dark zone, turning on his own allies and joining the LMB, what he was doing during the earlier portions of Div 1, show us what he was doing in WSP, more interactions between him and Tchernenko

[gaunt ice]

Keener was a pos from the start nothing much to write about

i’d imagine pre second wave Keener being something like l4d Nick

just with extra insufferable energy

[sick lantern]

isn't there a market for the perspective of an insufferable narcissist convinced he's better than everyone around him?

[gaunt ice]

but he sorta cared a bit n all cuz it’d be boring to see Keener just go “oops its kill o hour” on his cell

[wicked gorge]

I think my favorite comn of keener is him losing his shit then proceeds to asses the situation and relax

[gaunt ice]

wolf of wall street i think?

[sick lantern]

exactly lmao

[gaunt ice]

but it feel hard to translate that from wall street salesman to rogue government killer

[sick lantern]

that would literally be his plot before the outbreak

[gaunt ice]

the interesting part would only happen in the first wave segment tbh

[sick lantern]

like I said he did an amount of off screen stuff we vaguely heard of but didn't see

[gaunt ice]

slightly unrelated but i feel like Keener as an adaptation could just be that one bad guy that Tom Cruise played

i forgot the name of the movie but that guy was so good

[wicked gorge]

I can’t wait for him to ask out meret, get rejected and go on his villain arc again

[sick lantern]

smug prick commentating on the second wave from a penthouse suite lmao

[ashen jungle]

Keener's dreams of unreasonable amounts of power did start back in div1, the very end of it literally has him talking about how he has a book of viruses and such that he can make. We assumed to sell to the highest bidder at the time, but

[gaunt ice]

oh yea Collateral

[ashen jungle]

Collateral's hitman was a very different character to Keener.

[gaunt ice]

tbf both are pretty much manipulative killers with a biy of psychopath in it

[wicked gorge]

Keener seems to start off as a warlord then it’s represented in the wony dlc, then after backlash they did a 180 and made keener to be a Anti hero and brought him back

[gaunt ice]

its a bit of a reach but for entertainment purpose i can see it

[wicked gorge]

This some cod level writing now I think about it

[gaunt ice]

backlash?you mean they ran out of ways to make the story appealing so they pulled a “somehow palpatine returned”?

like genuinely we got like barely anything noteworthy for the main story,its just background settings with descent comms and running around rescuing random civilians

they haven’t even addressed the elephant in the room(the SHD node under jeffersons plaza)

[wicked gorge]

Keener is Ubisoft last resort

[ashen jungle]

Oh hey the doom posters made it to div-lore chat.

[wicked gorge]

Really?

[ashen jungle]

I owe someone $5.

[gaunt ice]

like the very first thing we did in DC was to reactivate the node to restore local access to ISAC

we are all actively doomposting asides from Hawkster so you gotta be more specific

[sick lantern]

simple, the shd network does whatever the plot demands of it at any time

[wicked gorge]

Something bugs me about that, ik it wasn’t written like that, but McManus literary knows where most cores are, ESPECIALLY THE CORE 3, if anything all the black tusk have to do is destroy one of those cores and they win

[gaunt ice]

underground somewhere with turrets and automated securities idk

unless he doesn’t actually know that cuz the people that do died

[wicked gorge]

Yeah but they showed in the recruited novel how easily the defensives could be exposed

By a rogue agent and outcast

[sick lantern]

no cores means no network means no tech for SHD, BT and presumably Hunters
(except ofc SHD tech has been shown to function without proper network coverage in dark zones, survival, div 2 before you restore the network...)

[gaunt ice]

im gonna reach a bit and say that they cant destroy the core because the networks are linked

wait nvm kirbo said it before me smh

[sick lantern]

just don't think about it. 6 years of contradicting information ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gaunt ice]

i’d prefer Dragov returning im ngl

[wicked gorge]

At this point the hunters probably have a backup network incase the primary network goes offline

[gaunt ice]

he has like the coolest boss fight in wony

[sick lantern]

actually even in div 1 that didn't make sense so 8

[wicked gorge]

Dragov makes sense cause he’s platted in armor, if they somehow bring Conley back then imma have to draw the line

[gaunt ice]

they uploaded Conley’s consciousness into a prototype combat drone that the Ortiz made

/s but not really cuz they totally can do it at this point

[wicked gorge]

See I let games get away with bullshit if I enjoy them enough but everyone has a breakpoint

Im expecting Lau to come back like that one character from SpongeBob that hated chocolate

[gaunt ice]

according to the books a hunter survived a 7.62 to the EYE

[near totem]

Breakpoint? As in the Ghost recon breakpoint?

[near totem]

Carl grimes did a similiar thing

[gaunt ice]

they really wasted Jon Bernthal there smh

[near totem]

Yeah, great concept but the game just feels empty

[gaunt ice]

i think webkins said he tanked even CAS lol

[sick lantern]

AA-12*

[gaunt ice]

oh that sorry

[wicked gorge]

Don’t get me started on breakpoint

[gaunt ice]

even if you survive a single shotgun round to the chest you’re probably gonna have a few broken bones

let alone mag dumping

[wicked gorge]

Nah that was a handgun at close range, impressive but we know how amc treated him

[near totem]

He was just... Build diffrent

[near totem]

They did him dirty

[sick lantern]

or maybe it was a SASG-12 but still. full auto buckshot

[wicked gorge]

Least he made a cameo in the series finale

[near totem]

Yeah atleat that

[near totem]

I dont think the gun matters, more the round type

[gaunt ice]

buckshot dont have the best penetration but it should’ve busted some ribs

[sick lantern]

I wonder if Parrot was inspired by this
https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/l2rh8p/comment/l2rh8p/

[gaunt ice]

funny enough the stupid ballistic mask can block a 9mm with not much trouble

so gg to that agent lol

rifle round not so unless its made of Bullshitium

[near totem]

If he was on those mega battle cocktails he wouldnt even feel it

[gaunt ice]

until those broken ribs start stabbing into the organs

[wicked gorge]

Okay wait, let me get this straight, a hunter survived being shot in the face by a 7.62 round

[near totem]

Well from there its just what fails first

[sick lantern]

yep, iirc, from a MK20 SSR

[gaunt ice]

apparently so i didn’t read the books webkinz can you confirm

[wicked gorge]

Did it hit the mask or actual face

[gaunt ice]

yea that hunter is straight up a terminator at that point

[near totem]

He propablly had the 10 Endurance 10 Luck build

[gaunt ice]

also shorter version of a rant i made before:they can totally make helmets that can stop rifle rounds its just that you’ll be dead either way so they dont bother

because of the whiplash caused by the bullet knocking you back

if you dont instantly die from snapping your neck you’d have brain damage

[sick lantern]

got my copy to check
"Blood dribbled from a hole where its eye had been. The side of the mask's eyehole must have taken the brunt of the shot, or the bullet would be loose in its skull right now."

[near totem]

Brain damage doesnt exist if you dont have a brain

[wicked gorge]

There armor plates design to stop a 50 cal round but you’ll most likely be dead from the concussion force on the body

[sick lantern]

so guy had shrapnel at least, from a 7.62 round in his eye, and kept going

[near totem]

The magic of drugs

And maybe adrenaline

[wicked gorge]

The amount of combat cocktails he had to be on to keep pushing through that injury is insane

[near totem]

They dont even drink water at this point they only drink these

[wicked gorge]

Yeah, Adrenaline would play a factor too

He had a cod stim

[near totem]

And maybe thats the reason that Wright kept going

Cant stop if you dont feel anything

[ornate gull]

I been wonder

How do Support Station work?

[wicked gorge]

Nanotechnology

[near totem]

Yep, similiar to our hives

[wicked gorge]

Aren’t they basically the same thing

[ornate gull]

Hive repair only owner i guess

While support station don't discriminate

[sick lantern]

as well as a full mag of Honey Badger and multiple shots from an auto shotgun

[wicked gorge]

And he survived?

[sick lantern]

this is after a few days prior,
||getting burnt to a crisp by an incendiary drone payload||

[sick lantern]

yep he kept fighting after that

genuinely OP bruh

[ornate gull]

I kinda wish div2 keep the support station and medkit

[wicked gorge]

Super soldiers or pumped up on drugs and adrenaline

[sick lantern]

the Hive spits out noticable drone thingies, the support station just has a green aura of goodness™️

[near totem]

I think the armor mechanic kinda killed the medkit

[wicked gorge]

The support box is basically “oh your bones are broken? Bam green mist” the hive is just “NANO MACHINES SON”

[ornate gull]

Best part is if you take revive mod. Any incapacitation agent within area will instantly revive

[sick lantern]

i was always an immuniser guy

[ornate gull]

But also ruin the fun

Armor should be second layer of hp

[wicked gorge]

Booster shot kinda guy along with ammo cache

[ornate gull]

I mean you have no problem play against elite/veteran/named with armor in div1

[near totem]

Maybe but div 2 with armor is easier than div 1 with only health

[wicked gorge]

I wish we kept some skills from div 1

[sick lantern]

that's basically what it is, HP is just insignificantly irrelevant

[near totem]

First aid was cool

[ornate gull]

Im love overheal okay

Out heal amount of dmg you take

[glad spruce]

Support Station was a little overrated

[wicked gorge]

I usually run booster shot and flashbang sticky with my striker build and man warpath fun

[near totem]

Who are the MCSkulls outside of being a biker gang?

[sick lantern]

the biggest one in the tri state area apparently

[wicked gorge]

A biker gang an undercover agent was apart of

[sick lantern]

and they warranted a Division agent to go undercover with them, which I guess means the outbreak made them power players

[glad spruce]

Joe Chavez

[wicked gorge]

If I had to smugglers

[glad spruce]

Does Chicago count as part of the tri state area?

[ornate gull]

As well Smart cover

When in pinch, deploy smart cover

[near totem]

That was cool

But the uncool part is that in div 1 cover doesnt always mean cover

[wicked gorge]

Smart Cover was always meh to me

[wicked gorge]

Falcon Lost

[near totem]

Im scared to even ask

[wicked gorge]

APC go boom

[near totem]

Oh yeah

That part

[ornate gull]

And LMB rusher everywhere

[near totem]

Dont even say this cursed name

[wicked gorge]

Not to mention seeker mines and shock drones

[ornate gull]

Especially heroic LMB rusher

[ashen jungle]

Gentle reminder that this channel is for lore discussion and related topics.

[ornate gull]

Out of all div rusher, LMB rusher are most dangerous

[near totem]

Yep

I wonder whats happening in Hawaii

[ornate gull]

Riker rusher may have shotgun, but they're stupid

[wicked gorge]

Since it’s an island territory it could be like Japan or thriving

[sick lantern]

tell that to Bobcat

[near totem]

Rikers are stupid

[wicked gorge]

I can’t wait for the juggernaut rushers

[near totem]

Swap BT tank minigun for an acs 12

Still belt fed

[wicked gorge]

And they somehow run at the speed of light

[ornate gull]

Out of all vanguard, i say weakest is Cleaner

But also problematic one if they're ever have chance to close in

Infinite burn

[sick lantern]

cant wait for surfing division agents

[wicked gorge]

You talking about the rushers?

[ornate gull]

Aren't rusher discuss end?

[wicked gorge]

Maybe the real reason McManus wants the nuclear football to nuke Hawaii for ruining pizza

[near totem]

Surfers vs hovercrafts

[ornate gull]

Can't blame

[wicked gorge]

Speaking of that, anyone else feel the black tusk hovercrafts are a bit unrealistic

[ornate gull]

It their tech

It bound to be unrealistic

[near totem]

I wonder if they fought the us navy

Because i dont belive nobody was in the ocean

[ornate gull]

Talk about black tusk

I wonder what happen to Aircraft Carrier that LMB occupied after LMB assimilate into Black Tusk

[wicked gorge]

Probably left it

[near totem]

Too rusted to operate

[sick lantern]

that carrier is the Intrepid, a WW2 relic converted in to a museum

[near totem]

Like the USS Texas?

[glad spruce]

It's currently September 1st for me, so 2 more days till the finale.

Assuming we do get a patch on Tuesday, I'm not gonna look to this channel until I play the finale and get the Descent comm

[tepid ibex]

How did the LMB get into Manhattan to safeguard wallstreet then? Didnt they just get done contracting in Afghanistan?

[ornate gull]

Afghanistan branch probably medium deployment

While Bliss force are entire PMC force station in USA

[wicked gorge]

They’re a American PMC so they probably weren’t on deployment during green poison but were already in the nation

[wicked gorge]

Thinking about it, couldn’t keener just give Viper a shit ton of Eclipse canisters and set them on black tusk hovercrafts to wipe out a lot of their people and contaminate their equipment. There’s probably a reason I’ve overlooked but im curious

[ornate gull]

I been wonder, how did Black Tusk get pass US Navy?

Since they're Russian PMC

And why Washington instead of NYC?

[sick lantern]

1. Ellis was there
2. in turn, the BSAV sample was there
3. to take out the Super Important Plot Supporting™️ SHD Node
4. Being in the White House is a symbol of legitimacy/power

[sick lantern]

considering the state of the country at the time (thoroughly shagged), the Navy wasn’t up to much

[glad spruce]

Bridgette didn't want to use Eclipse, ever

[near totem]

Do Hyena medics, know something about being a medic or just give more spice?

[ornate gull]

What do we call enemy with shield background behind their type icon?

[glad spruce]

We call them Shield unit

[ornate gull]

Shield icon enemy are call vanguard

[glad spruce]

Here's a quote about them from a death card:

"I mean, not exactly a medic in the strictest sense of the word. They aren't fooling anyone about healing them. Take a syringe filled with adrenaline and shove it in someone who's almost dead. Stand back and watch what happens - Manny Ortega"

[cold bramble]

Who’s excited for the finale tomorrow?

[sudden mortar]

You mean Tuesday right?

[cold bramble]

Yeah lol

[near totem]

Well, sounds like medicine to me

[gaunt ice]

pretty sure they had some foot in the US too given that they were used in the middle east at one point

[wicked gorge]

The country was already up shits creek so to preserve resources they would probably abandon their post due to the lack of chain of command and lack of support.

[near totem]

What would happen to people who tried to tell the public about the SHD and Agents before activation?

And how would the goverment try to cover it up?

[ashen jungle]

I mean, no need to imagine it, there's a fair bit of....you know what, this is a bit too dark for video-game lore chat so I'm just going to cut it off here.

[wicked gorge]

Yeah, my bad I deleted my message about it

[glad spruce]

They'd have a "permanent vacation"

[wicked gorge]

If anything they would have to sign a contract and probably given a big amount of hush money

[ashen jungle]

We know for a fact that they did get a big payout.
And think less "contract" and more "legally binding document", one where you'd go to prison for life if you mentioned it.

not making any IRL comparisons here, nope not me.

[glad spruce]

I mean, Kevin Park was threatened by Trig to be sent to Guantanamno if he blabbed about ISAC to anyone

[wicked gorge]

Thanks, I couldn’t think of anything besides contract

[ashen jungle]

Actually the "big payout" has lead to my favourite bit of recent lore.
because it confirmed my running joke about Keener being a failed crypto-bro.

[wicked gorge]

Maybe that’s why he hates everyone

He’s communist

[ashen jungle]

.......wat

I'm going to assume that's a weird joke that I don't get.

[wicked gorge]

Probably what’s best, im somewhat not here atm

[wicked gorge]

If I were to start collecting the descent comns, would I have to wait every week for the old ones or can I just get them back to back?

[glad spruce]

I have no idea how they work. All I know is near the end of last season, I got more than 1 when I finished my Nemesis run.

I'd imagine it's the same for other players

[wicked gorge]

Hopefully it’s the latter so I don’t gotta wait a week

What’s the chances we encounter a hunter during this manhunt?

[glad spruce]

Likely

[ashen jungle]

I mean, fairly high. Maybe one sent to kill Keener or whoever is going to be at the end.

[wicked gorge]

It’ll be more shocking if it isn’t black tusk or true sons

Does the bt know keeners alive tho?

[glad spruce]

I'd think so. But they're currently comms dark after Birdie screwed them over

[ashen jungle]

The bit in the Kelso Manhunt where the True Sons all came out, then proceeded to get wiped out and Sokolova was just sigh was pretty great.

I think she's going to try and hire us soon.

[near totem]

I wonder what would she offer us

[wicked gorge]

I feel we’d be too much of a security risk, like how keener and viper didn’t target Kelso due to her past

[near totem]

Yeah CIA is known for some things

[wicked gorge]

We’ve already massacred most of their command structure in dc

[ashen jungle]

"here, have drop-rate protection for Exotics".

Half of the SHD agents would dessert instantly.

[wicked gorge]

More raid exotic availability and I’d sign up

[near totem]

Where can I sign up?

[wicked gorge]

It would be cool to see a couple of bosses use their actual exotic equipment

[near totem]

Did we kill the Dr. Villus? The vile mask guy?

[wicked gorge]

No, he’s like 13

[glad spruce]

He's just a mentioned character from the exotic's flavor text

[near totem]

So if he is still alive, and if he ever tries to fight us he can use his exotic

[wicked gorge]

Remember, Ellis has confirmed you can ride the warhounds

The pure terror seeing a group of black tusk riding their warhounds at you is scary to think

[near totem]

There was this guy with a cowboy hat that spawned when you collected the components for dodge city holster

[wicked gorge]

I remember that boss, that was one of the more unique exotic quest

[cold bramble]

black tusk drone girls being techies they must be the best at riding them lol

[near totem]

And how eould we call a group of BTs riding warhounds? A mechanized platoon or cavalry regiment?

[wicked gorge]

Cavalry sounds cooler

[near totem]

Why not use both? Mechanized cavalry

[wicked gorge]

Even better

[sudden mortar]

That reminds me of horizon zero dawn

[near totem]

Heard that you guys got robot animals there

[sudden mortar]

Isn't that what the warhounds are

[near totem]

I mean yes and no

They are supposed to be robo dogs

But to me they are walking bricks

[wicked gorge]

Im more curious when sparky is gonna become a recurring warhound

[wicked gorge]

This dlc better give us a warhound

[near totem]

Even a smaller one

[glad spruce]

I wish it's Tuesday already

[sudden mortar]

Just give me a marauder drone in my pocket already

[wicked gorge]

We all do Hawkster, then we gotta wait four weeks for more content

[cold bramble]

would the rusher girls use the warhounds speed and agility to rush you even faster?

[near totem]

And good as it sounds, execution of that idea wouldnt be great

[wicked gorge]

I fear they would combine the power of the grenadier and flashbangs makes me sad

[near totem]

Shoot the doggo in the leg, it collapses and the rusher comes flying

Do we only download the audio logs from the phones we find or we also take the whole phone?

[wicked gorge]

Both make sense, ISAC can hijack signals and tune into them to record data but it also makes sense for an agent to pick up a random phone and take it that might hold important data

[near totem]

Would DC-62 Work if it was given more time for tests and such things?

[wicked gorge]

I feel DC-62 was designed to fail

[glad spruce]

It wasn't tested well enough, evidently

[glad spruce]

1 day left

[glad spruce]

https://www.ubisoft.com/en-gb/help/the-division-2/news/the-division-2-maintenance-of-online-services/000109678

We're gonna have to wait for the finale, me thinks

[ashen jungle]

2 hours downtime is really not that crazy, it'll likely be extended, but for a content update it's quite standard.

[gaunt ice]

i sure hope its just a 2 hour downtime

and not another 12 hour lmao

[near totem]

For a person that was asking if there was the hunter emblem in the phoenix down apparel event icon, Yes it was there from the start

[glad spruce]

Yeah, that was me

[near totem]

Will the next descent comm comeout tomorrow?

[glad spruce]

Yes

Just like with the previous weekly resets

[near totem]

Maybe it will tell us who is that noble squad

Or what happened to it

[sour perch]

Didn't a few ECHO's tell us what happened to Noble Squad in the first Division?

[glad spruce]

It does, but the latest Descent comm heavily imply that one Noble Squad member is/was(?) a Hunter

My current theory is that the Hunter from comms 63 and 64 is Doug Sutton. He was away from his squad when they get ambushed by the Rikers

[cold bramble]

Is there an oob in or near Brooklyn? In div 2

[glad spruce]

No idea

[cold bramble]

There’s one by the Brooklyn bridge

[sick lantern]

out of bounds?

or did you misstype BoO

[cold bramble]

Out of bounds

Can say a fact though I don’t think we’ll be using the Brooklyn bridge to get there 😂

[ornate gull]

Im been wonder, will agent marked as Rogue if they decide to replace ISAC with their own AI?

[cold bramble]

There speculation we’ll get a system with all 3 combined

Or that keener has changed or manipulated it in a similar way

[ornate gull]

I see

How and where do Agent keep all their ammunition in bag?

Carry like 2k SMG,AR,MG ammo without visibility of bag being inflated

[glad spruce]

This is one of those lore-gameplay segregation cases. Cuz in reality, Division agents wouldn't carry a lot of mags like in the games. And they don't have an infinity supply of their skills while in the field.

You should read Operation Crossroads novels to learn how a Division agent engages combat in real life.

[cold bramble]

Unless there are division supply caches in secure areas maybe?

[cursive tapir]

The Crossroads novels do a nice job of alluding to looter-shooter element of the game without it being weirdly gamey. Instead, it’s usually a case of “I’ve run out of ammo for this gun and none of these dead hostiles are carrying the right caliber - guess I gotta discard my gun and take one of theirs”

[cold bramble]

Today is the day!!

[cold bramble]

Wait so how did keener trick us with his death at the end of wony? Did we see his body through our eyes and it was a different body in reality?

[jade vigil]

Theo Parnell tricked Isac to think that we killed keener and in the The Tombs missing Theo said that we should not trust Isac

[cold bramble]

Yeah that’s right because Theo did it with the guard as well right?

[jade vigil]

Yes

same goes to Parnell death

[cold bramble]

That’s wild

Hey if we ally with them they better give us some of that tech 😂

[remote tree]

For the longest time i thought parnell did fake his death

Had a riker change into an outfit like his and confirm a visual to the agents with isac bein screwy like before since he was always ahead

[cold bramble]

Do we know for certain the other rogues are dead?

[jade vigil]

I hope that we are gonna have Anna instead of Isac

[remote tree]

Vivian blew herself up
Kajika went out on his own terms

As for other rogues? Im not certain due to not playing the game durin those manhunts

Hornet got retconned from what I read in earlier comments from div1

[jade vigil]

other rouges didn't fake their death

[remote tree]

Jupiter’s group def died off
So did Hornet’s group

Lau’s ded too, and that’s Afaik for dead rogues

[cold bramble]

Any chance Keeners recruited anyone else significant since he been back in dc?

[jade vigil]

I don't think so

maybe keener just needs us

[cold bramble]

Maybe

[jade vigil]

tbh I don't have any idea how we're gonna use our SHD tech if we are gonna become rogue

[cold bramble]

Maybe our new friend is where we get the solution for that

Unless he waits till Brooklyn so we don’t get caught or found out by the division lol. Idk i just like to theorise haha

[jade vigil]

or maybe Theo will help us with that

[cold bramble]

Ooh yeah. You got any other theories?

[jade vigil]

no didn't got any other theories

and we don't know where the final mission is gonna take place

maybe it's gonna be in dc or we go back to liberty island

[cold bramble]

True

Is there another season after this before Brooklyn?

[jade vigil]

I think no

also maybe in dlc we gonna continue the story of this season

[cold bramble]

Possibly

[jade vigil]

and maybe in this season's final mission we may just speak with keener face to face

[cold bramble]

Is it just the one mission today or is there others before it?

[jade vigil]

I don't know yet we will see after maintenance

and keener just don't trust us after we killed him once

[cold bramble]

Tbf we can’t blame him haha

[jade vigil]

then we can blame natalya sokolova

[sudden mortar]

Keener is that polite to the point of: hey you almost killed me but anyways, wanna join my team?

[sick lantern]

aka functionally identical to the games more or less

[gaunt ice]

the agent is literally stupid thats why

everyone knows how to check for pulse its like google knowledge

not us apparently

[cold bramble]

Aside from the operations in New York and dc what are the black tusk up to?

[glad spruce]

We already know their overrall goal. But what they're up to right now is unknown since they went radio dark after Y5S2.

[cold bramble]

Aside from what happens today right?

[glad spruce]

Yes

[cold bramble]

lol my bad

[sudden mortar]

Got no time to waste, I need to finish the finale and tell the spoilers before the Arabic cat does

[glad spruce]

My family's cat in my pfp is a fluff 😛

[waxen sonnet]

I come take one last peek at the channel before my driving lesson and all I see is "Arabic Cat" 😂

[glad spruce]

Well, I live in UAE, so maybe he ain't wrong lol

[near totem]

No time to waste

[strange rock]

Not really spoiler ish but ||there's no main mission like with previous trials||

[glad spruce]

First Nyx comm.
||Turns out the roster that Agent Hoskins got from a flash drive during her assignment as established in the Descent comms is a list of names who were recruited into the Hunter Program before the Division agents were activated. Keener is frustrated because he feels that SHD agents, were trusted to do their job. Hoskins remarked that the powers that be couldn't trust the Division, so they needed the Hunters as guard logs||

[cold bramble]

The nyx stuff is already out?

[glad spruce]

Nyx trial is out. I only managed to finish the first objective

[cold bramble]

Ohhh I see

[glad spruce]

||Interestingly enough, during the first objective, ANNA cuts off our communication with Manny and Keener as she sees it as distraction for completing Nyx trial||

Wrong channel

[cold bramble]

Does isac have that kind of capability?

[glad spruce]

No

He's pretty basic compared to ANNA

[sudden mortar]

|| second comm: evolve: Keener tells hoskins about viper being a hunter on black tusk ranks||

[glad spruce]

||What was Hoskins' reaction about this?||

[sudden mortar]

||she's just like: I'm surviving. Wow, she's with black tusk, so what?||

[strange rock]

Interesting climax mission

[glad spruce]

Did you play it or just learned about it's location?

[strange rock]

Finished it, don't want to spoil anything

It's more interesting gameplay wise than story imo but lets see what other people think

[cold bramble]

Servers slowly getting better then?

[strange rock]

Yeah I was getting deltas at first but then got a server and managed to finish the trial and climax

[cold bramble]

Was it worth the 4 week wait and 2 hours of server issues? 😂

[strange rock]

Story wise probably not, I did like what I played in the climax mission something different than waves of npcs

[cold bramble]

lol

[sudden mortar]

You got lucky not getting so many deltas

[near totem]

How to make your massages have the spoiler blockade?

[sudden mortar]

|| after and before the message

[near totem]

Thanks

[near totem]

||Who is agent Hoskins?||

[glad spruce]

||Melanie Hoskins, from Hearts on Fire audio drama||

[sudden mortar]

|| agent working for Keener, most of the time investigating silver creek||

[near totem]

Thanks. Can i still listen to it?

[glad spruce]

As long you finish the first objective of Nyx trial

[near totem]

I was actually talking about hearts on fire

[strange rock]

I spoil how it ends (heavy spoiler don't read if you don't to be spoiled of course): || Keener ends up in a jail cell next to the shooting range in the WH ||
I've yet to listen to the new comms

[glad spruce]

Oh. You can get it from Audible

[sudden mortar]

||that panic room where they kept Schaffer during BT assault?||

[near totem]

Looks interesting

[strange rock]

|| I believe so yes. There's the shooting range to the right and the cell is straight ahead you can go there and see Keener there lol ||

Also || who is Glasses||

[cold bramble]

So did anything significant story wise happen today?

[glad spruce]

Not yet. Most of us haven't completed the Manhunt

You need to wait

[near totem]

And when we can talk about it without censoring it?

2 weeks? Or when it becomes a legacy manhunt?

[glad spruce]

2 weeks

[hallow topaz]

When I heard it, I immediately thought the Hunter or Cal send the Rikers to them for not "taking orders" should we say.

[sudden mortar]

Maybe after people having the opportunity to play the manhunt without servers instability

[strange rock]

I would say || not really, I thought there was a plot twist when Anna shut down the comms at the start of the trial but nothing came out of it yet ||

Servers are kinda awful right now so it's hard to complete anything

[near totem]

Well i hope i will be lucky, in 40 mins i will be home to play

But i heard there was an update

[hallow topaz]

Yeah....you can't talk about that
Same as:
"Can we get one strap backpacks?"
Fans: Not possible because the (signature) weapons would look weird on it, doesn't look real😡

How about 150 weapons gearpieces in a backpack, or all that ammo how would you walk??
Fans: 😡downvote😡
🤣🤣🤣

[hallow topaz]

I was thinking about getting A.N.N.A as the A.I the other day, and someone saying it wouldn't be possible to make it.
But let's say it would work, I actually wouldn't want it.
I think people (like me) will go crazy, as she would talk a lot.
I sometimes get irritated by hearing isac saying the same thing in each mission, imagine having A.N.N.A saying 3-5x as much each mission.
Especially when farming for a new exotic that only drops in a certain mission😅😅🤣

[cold bramble]

Very true 😂

[sudden mortar]

ANNA: Rogue agent detected, of course it's rogue don't you see the red Christmas lights?

[gaunt ice]

someone spoil the story for me

spoiler tag it

[cold bramble]

Anyone had any luck?

[gaunt ice]

guess i was right on the server not being just a 2 hour maintenance

[strange rock]

Big Spoiler: || Climax is bunker, lot of laser traps and Keener decoys, final area you defend Keener while he disables a shield protecting a new kind of warhound called Chimera. You beat the warhound and go back to the WH were Keener is in a jail cell next to the shooting range Manny doesn't trust him yet. That's it ||

[gaunt ice]

||laser traps?thats new||

||we should execute him now||

[sick lantern]

Broken Dawn:
attacked Ann Arbor, Michigan and iirc presumably still control it. attacked/took over/etc an unknown amount of military installations across the region.
Hunted:
||they controlled, and lost, Albuquerque, New Mexico, after a failed attempt to take out one of the SHD Cores||

[gaunt ice]

||also what does chimera do||

[ashen jungle]

Good use of spoiler tags folks, let's keep that up for at least 24 hours.

[cold bramble]

Have you completed the whole thing yet?

[strange rock]

Yeah I somehow managed to complete the climax mission

[cold bramble]

Nice

[gaunt ice]

from the very vague description i was given couldn’t you just ||spam EMP||

[fresh nymph]

Thats.. something

[strange rock]

|| for the laser traps yes, I don't know why they didn't make them emp resistant, the archive room you're supposed to go around carefully but you can just EMP and blast right through it. The warehound is EMP resistant, at least the pulse.||

[remote tree]

😂 its always fun to guess right

[lunar harbor]

||What does the Chimera do?||

[fresh nymph]

||Shock Warhound maybe? Can't imagine its a flamethrower again||

[strange rock]

|| combo of a sniper and gun warhound, no fire, different design to a normal warhound as well. Just has a shield that Keener needs to disable (takes 40 seconds iirc). 3 phases to kill it||

[lunar harbor]

||Ah, so not a "Sparky" situation||

[sick lantern]

lmfao fr?

[fresh nymph]

||Does it run around and 360 shoot like a Legendary assault warhound?||

[hallow topaz]

Lotta classified stuff here😂

[fresh nymph]

Spoil yourself if you want

[strange rock]

|| yes, he's literally behind a jail cell next to the shooting range ||
@fresh nymph ||not sure it doesn't feel like it did extra damage compared to a normal elite warhound||

[fresh nymph]

Just keep it in here, and discuss with the tags

[fresh nymph]

||Wasn't expecting legendary dps ofc, was just wondering if it partially acted like a legendary assault one||

[lunar harbor]

||So, in summary: not a particularly difficult climax mission||

[strange rock]

|| I don't think it does a 360 like one variant of the warhounds does, the AI did seem to focus more (be closer to me) than a normal warehound would. Similar in behaviour to the stovepipe warhound AI ||

[fresh nymph]

||Fair lol, as long as its not shredding in 3 seconds its all good||

||Flamethrower warhound just has to be out dpsed||

[gaunt ice]

||like a literal shield or energy shield bs||?

[strange rock]

|| no just use an EMP pulse and you'll blast through it, last area might get annoying with the striker drones but nothing special. Keener is literally using the VIP mechanic so you can revive him

Was kinda silly not to make the traps EMP resistant if they want ed players to play more cautiously which I guess is what they wanted but it doesn't make sense||

[gaunt ice]

||tbf making them EMP resistant would make reddit mfs cry||

i saw some guy crying about descent being too hard

or how this other guy struggles against the recruiter because he was using a skill build

[glad spruce]

Ugh, don't remind of the guy who wanted to redesign Descent into something completely different

[gaunt ice]

like ill shit on them all day but at least they’re trying to raise to skill ceiling

thats one thing i genuinely thought current massive is doing well

[strange rock]

||shield as in it's invincible you have to wait for keener to disable the shield. It does have an energy shield animation but it doesn't hurt you afaik||

[gaunt ice]

aw man

||i really hoped its a physical shield cuz energy shield feels like we’re stepping a bit too much into scifi||

[vast grove]

bit too much into the sci fi :D:D:D:D

[gaunt ice]

||so far that sounds like a lame climax im ngl||

[vast grove]

yeah were very realistic so far 😄

[strange rock]

|| final area is basically recruiter mechanic + vip mechanic with striker drones

Nah it looked like an energy shield def not a physical shield lol||

[gaunt ice]

||you can have a grounded near future setting and then there’s energy shields which is a bit out of line||

[gaunt ice]

||if only we let them kill Keener tbh||

[vast grove]

oh sure. You have nano technology that can heal you in seconds so it is very over the board if it can catch the bullets for you

[gaunt ice]

||screw him and his snarky attitude ||

[gaunt ice]

you get that the nanomachines thing are mostly a joke right

no healer hive dont magically heal you back from 50 bullet wounds

[sick lantern]

are we sure it's not just ||the same technology as the defender drone?||

[sudden mortar]

|| the final boss is basically
Ortiz robotics: how many weapons you want the warhounds to have?
BTSU: yes||

[sudden mortar]

||BTSU said that boomer tech on airport was a prototype, maybe this warhound have the final version of it||

[gaunt ice]

||tbf Boomer just had really thick armor tbh||

[strange rock]

|| might be, there's no drone and I'm pretty sure no DPS would break the immunity though, just a timed mechanic||

[gaunt ice]

||its specified that he’s the only person that can wear them because of how ripped he was||

[sudden mortar]

that light blue effect of the defender drone on boomer doesn't looks like bullets hitting armor.

[glad spruce]

Well, either way, the sooner I can get to play the Manhunt finale, the better

[sudden mortar]

this channel is looking like some kind of cod black ops mission briefing with all those ||redacted||

[glad spruce]

Maybe if we were Hunters, it'd work that way 😛

[gaunt ice]

||hmm,that sounds like they put a heavy duty defender drone in the backpack ||

[sudden mortar]

|| I love seeing keener bored in his new bedroom like his cellphone just discharged ||

[cold bramble]

Is there any dialogue when nearby?

[sudden mortar]

|| he just says that Manny doesn't trust him yet, so he will be in his room for now||

[cold bramble]

Ah nice

[sudden mortar]

|| I can only imagine Manny holding a pistol while taking keener to a bathroom||

[cold bramble]

We gotta wait till next season till anything happens now right?

[glad spruce]

Second Nyx comm

||Keener has doubts about his vendetta against the Hunters, especially given the alliance with Cal and Sokolova. So, he relays a plan to Agent Hoskins that he has a woman who happens to be a Hunter on the inside to help deal with the Hunters. Hoskins was doubtful as she doesn't believe no one is that connected, but Keener assures her he is||

Pretty much. There's still the weekly Descent comms till the season finishes

[glad spruce]

Third Nyx Comm.

||Keener offers Hoskins his idea about building a well-hidden BoO to recruit and train people against Black Tusk and the Hunters. This isn't easy, given Keener's reputation, but he believes with enough people rallied to his cause, his public perception would be changed||

[cold bramble]

👀

[sudden mortar]

||bro, my keener escaped in my WH, he is not in the cell anymore ||

[glad spruce]

Fourth Nyx comm

||Keener and Hoskins experiment works out well as civilians were rescued by Keener and Parnell are speaking positively of both Rogue Agents. However, Hoskins is concerned about Theo because she thinks that he's having a relationship with one woman he rescued and got her pregnant. Her concern is that Theo's world would go upside down if his child dies in birth or worse||

[sick lantern]

aw not this shit again

[gaunt ice]

ok genuinely
what the fu

its not even a muh bad writing rant its just

[glad spruce]

||I'd be more surprised if there's not other people getting pregnant||

[gaunt ice]

why
what

[glad spruce]

And I doubt a post-pandemic apocalypse would stop people from siring children

If the world of Fallout didn't stop people from having children, I doubt the Division will.

[sick lantern]

yea i think it's really cliche

[glad spruce]

Originality is boring

[sudden mortar]

||from someone who played the last of us 2, this thing of pregnant women will not end well I guess||

[glad spruce]

Different setting

[gaunt ice]

||its a good tear jerker ||

[sudden mortar]

Not so much different, I mean, women getting pregnant in a post apocalyptic world where every group of fanatics, military veterans, bandits etc. Is trying to kill you.

[gaunt ice]

like why did you think they set up this whole "||oooh Manny has a kid now||"

when his character had no prior character traits or story leading up to said plot point

[glad spruce]

Personally, I think Manny's storyline is a clash between his duties as a JTF leader, Division coordiantor, and becoming a Dad.

[glad spruce]

Fifth Nyx Comm.

||It's a note from Keener where he tells us that he's impressed with our feats. He tells us that he wanted to test us, like he tested Cassanda (Faye Lau) and Ajaxk (Melanie Hoskins). He's aware that some of us might think the Greek code names are pretenious, though he argues they'll have puprose and meaning if we dig a little deeper. And right now, this our time to shine||

[strange rock]

|| about the new warhound it also drops bombs so I guess it's a 3 in 1 warhound
3 stages as well the second time||
Got an extra comm for running the climax mission a second time, at 27/29 gonna run a third time and see if it drops more comms

[ornate gull]

Im wonder about Rogue agent

[glad spruce]

Which Rogue Agent?

[ornate gull]

Rogue Agent in general

[glad spruce]

Rogue Agents? What do you wanna know about them?

[ornate gull]

What if they gone Rogue by abandoned the mission and return back to their life before activation?

[glad spruce]

I guess Cal activates a Hunter to hunt that agent down?

[ornate gull]

I see

[wicked gorge]

Nice to see the warhounds are getting more annoying now

Also the White House looks cleaner now

[tranquil haven]

I mean the base game comms literally has an agent in DC decide that they've had enough, hand their buddy all the SHD comms gear and go home

that's about it it seems, same with Sawyer

[glad spruce]

Sixth Nyx Comm

||After completing Nyx trial, Aaron Keener congratulates us foroour effort in passing his test. He gives us a status update that he has a roster of Cal's Hunters. He believes by the time we get to see the roster and the BoO he set up in Brooklyn, we'll be impressed||

||ANNA reinstates comms between Aaron Keener and Manny Ortega. However, Black Tusk intercepted those comms and on the way to the FEB. So we best go there||

[cold bramble]

In what way?

[wicked gorge]

Less clutter and some of the areas are cleaner with the blue lights instead of the red

[glad spruce]

It means that the White House has been getting more cleaner after BT's attack

[cold bramble]

Ooh

[wicked gorge]

Also we have a special guest now

[cold bramble]

Is that only visible after manhunt completion?

[wicked gorge]

Idk if everybody’s finished it due to the servers being iffy

[wicked gorge]

So far, I’ve noticed a couple of body bags missing from the spawn

Kinda sad we didn’t get anything from Kelso tho

[cold bramble]

Cool. I’ll have a look when I hop on

[sick lantern]

kinda rogue agents to
get activated, put the watch down and say "i cant do this"

[wicked gorge]

I’ve always wondered if those agents can rejoin the division

[sick lantern]

i hope not

cowards

[wicked gorge]

Damn, that’s kinda screwed up

[strange rock]

Got 29/29 comms by rerunning the climax mission

[wicked gorge]

Just rerun the mission to get the comns?

[sick lantern]

abandoning your duty, country and people is kinda screwed up if you ask me

[strange rock]

Time to listen to them
@sick lantern || the shield is definitely not defender drone tech lol||

[sick lantern]

womp-womp

[strange rock]

Yep 3 times

[wicked gorge]

50/50

[strange rock]

So || Keener is supposed to be in the cell until we find Kelso and she "vets" him according to Manny||

[sick lantern]

||this makes ISAC objectively better than ANNA btw. that's malicious interference that could compromise the mission||

[cold bramble]

||any idea who glasses is?||

[glad spruce]

I got the first climax comm. Called Aligned.

||Keener and Manny talk about the Cabal, you know elements of the government who are supporting the Black Tusk. Cal has aspirations to be one of the members, though its difficult due not enough money and legacy as well as recklessly compromising his OPSEC||

||Ironically enough, Nat is a member of the Cabal.||

[ornate gull]

Im wonder has there any Rogue or Agent taking Hunter Axe as Trophy/Souvenir and use it to do Execution on incapacitate Hunter like they do to Agent/Rogue

[sudden mortar]

My guess, a rogue agent working with keener. Unless it's Kajika codename

I know Kajika is dead but don't you guys think it's a bit weird ||Keener mentioning about Kajika on the first segment of the mission: looks like you've learned something with Kajika.||

[strange rock]

|| my guess, one of the bosses of the dlc and we get that laser trap skill||

[glad spruce]

I think its ||just a callback from our fight against Kajika. We did beat him at his own game||

[vast grove]

kajika used traps... you have to avoid traps...

[sudden mortar]

And? The hunter at coney island also had traps and keener didn't mention him.

[vast grove]

the point of the kajikas mission was avoiding his traps the whole mission so you learned how to avoid traps by fighting him.

[waxen sonnet]

Someone remind me the way to do spoilers again please.

[sudden mortar]

|| before and after the text

[waxen sonnet]

Thanks my favourite Armour Plate man

||Please Give me those Bouncing Betty style traps Massive||

[glad spruce]

Second finale missiom comm. Titled terms.

||Manny Ortega allows Keener entry to the White House under a few terms. No weapons and tech, only comms and a watch. Be put into a secure location in the White Louse. And recover Agent Kelso, so she can vet him. Keener accepts||

[fresh nymph]

||Do we know who the agent Keener refers to as 'Ajax' is||

[glad spruce]

||Melanie Hoskins. In the very first Descent comm this season, Keener tells her to be his Ajax||

[waxen sonnet]

||Recover bugs me, please tell me that Kelso has not wandered off and been captured, AGAIN||

[fresh nymph]

Right okay

[fresh nymph]

||Considering keener is acting as a trojan horse himself right now, I'd imagine no||

[glad spruce]

||My understanding is less of recover in literal terms. More of like "Bring Agent Kelso so she can vet you".||

[fresh nymph]

||Literally the Keener Trophy is a wooden trojan horse||

[waxen sonnet]

True, guess it must be how they chose to word it that made me a bit confused

[sour perch]

||Literally wouldn't be surprised if she ends up captured again.||

[fresh nymph]

I think we are missing comms again lmao

[waxen sonnet]

Im only 26/29

[cold bramble]

Redo climax mission

[wicked gorge]

Replay the manhunt

[fresh nymph]

Oh great

[waxen sonnet]

I'll pass, that God damn Warhound gave me Sparkles PTSD

And now it has a Star trek level shield 😂

[wicked gorge]

Try heroic with all 5 directives, hell

[fresh nymph]

The gunner specialisation weapon finally gained a use other than quick killing marauder drones

[wicked gorge]

If needed, just run it on normal with the emp pulse that’s what I did

[cold bramble]

||guessing next season we’ll be looking for Kelso||

[waxen sonnet]

I think getting kicked in the privates would be more fun 😬

[waxen sonnet]

Yeah I did normal, I promptly realised my armour does not like a Warhound sniper round

[wicked gorge]

The only annoying part was chimera following me around constantly

[fresh nymph]

Kelso as a manhunt target again lol

[cold bramble]

Yup lol

[fresh nymph]

Its clearly the only path, Y6S2 is the last season before brooklyn

Kelso was the only mentioned part of the deal

[cold bramble]

Feel like it confirms a theory I had

[waxen sonnet]

Unlike Sparkles, the Decoy has no effect for me with Chimera

[fresh nymph]

Though Im curious who the 6 "agents" joining keeners side will be

In the holding room the briefcase keener recovered has 6 watches

[strange rock]

Deja vu

[wicked gorge]

Neither does the emp but it’s very great at killing the strikers

[waxen sonnet]

Us, Kelso, Hoskins, Theo and two others I assume,