division-universe

[unique spruce]

WHOS SENDING THE SUPPLY OSPREYS

[sick lantern]

ghosts

[unique spruce]

I'm going to make a conspiracy board with all the red string about this and wheel it into Ubi Massive's office.

Then I will rant about it using the board as a reference until I get what I want

[cold bramble]

I imagine black tusk has taken control of some of the military bases no? Do we have any lore on that stuff?

[tall prism]

I think so.

[cold bramble]

I shall investigate when I get home haha

I been playing a lot lately collecting all the comms and stuff and it’s so fucking interesting

[sick lantern]

cant remember the specific quote but the Black Tusk have attacked/captured a number of key locations on the east coast including military ones. from Broken Dawn

[cold bramble]

Ahh interesting

[ember vector]

I don't know if it has been addressed previously but I have got two questions. 1) How did Agent Sanders (who appears in the Coastal Settlement in the prologue and in the Coney Island DLC missions) survive the initial Black Tusk assault on the Coastal Settlement (end of prologue) after our Agent went to Washington D.C.? And 2) How was Odessa Sawyer not targeted by Hunters as she abandoned the Division to be the leader of the Theater Settlement? Maybe she was, I don't remember.

[sick lantern]

why wouldn't she survive?

[wicked gorge]

1. plot convince 2) Odessa isn’t flagged as rogue and ig still on mission, but the hunters in the division 2 don’t seem too focused on hunting rogues, just stalking agents

[ember vector]

She was last seen on the waterfront and a huge Black Tusk warship was approaching the bay and launching air strikes. Maybe the Coastal Settlement didn't last and she got out just in time before Black Tusk got on land.

[sick lantern]

division agents are badass ¯_(ツ)_/¯

plus it wasn't on screen
rule one of storytelling in movies and games... if it wasn't on screen, they didn't die

[ember vector]

For the second question, yeah she was not flagged as Rogue but I thought being flagged as Rogue meant you were not supposed to go off the mission that was given to you.

[sick lantern]

Hunters don't discriminate between rogues and non rogues. They just weren't hunting any agents at the time period of the start of Div 2 for whatever reason

[ember vector]

I think I'm reading too much into this!

[glad spruce]

Let's chalk it up with Hunters keeping an eye on agents during the events of Division 2's base story and leave it at that.

[wicked gorge]

Simple answer, McManus doesn’t see her as a threat to his legacy

[ember vector]

Alright, make more sense! Thanks 🙂

[wicked gorge]

Technically since she never attack another agent and ig is still serving the public as a leader then if she’s on mission, idk I don’t think they thought this through

[sudden mortar]

I wonder if Mc Manus is crazy enough to activate stage 3 of the hunters and make like an order 66 against all SHD and rogues across the country.

[glad spruce]

If the situation calls for it, maybe

[light escarp]

Okay, given that The Division Heartland has been cancelled, would anyone be up for seeing what was planned for the game narratively adapted into another medium such as novels and comics? Hey this sort of thing happened before. Specifically way back in the 1990s, after Primal Rage II was cancelled, Atari decided to not let the story they came up with for the game go to waste and would tell it via a novel called Primal Rage: The Avatars. Look it up.

[glad spruce]

I mean, its possible. But then again, we already had a trilogy of novels set in the American Southwest. And I'm not sure if a novel/comic based on a fictional town would work

[light escarp]

Ah, yes, the Operation: Crossroads trilogy. I already have the first two books in that trilogy, but I plan on picking up Hunted at some point in the future.

[glad spruce]

I recommend Hunted, IMO

What I liked a lot about the novels is that they give weight and gravitas to Division agents, making them feel grounded, which is not seen in the games since y'know, they're looter shooters

And I know cosmetics aren't content, but I am excited for the apparel event based on the Operation Crossroads trilogy

[glad spruce]

I did some Propaganda Broadcast Activities recently. And man, Eva Garcia has zero filter lol. And I mean that as a compliment

[wicked gorge]

Making the idea of Heartland into a comic series is actually a great idea

[wicked gorge]

When a man gets desperate enough, he’ll do anything to maintain power

[unique spruce]

I thought those take place in the Midwest?

[true fox]

Does anyone know how The Division Resurgence is progressing?

[sudden mortar]

It will probably get cancelled just like any mobile game made by a triple A company

[glad spruce]

So I looked up Echo and its relation to Greek Mythology. given how ANNA and Kelso call us that,

And I get it now.

[true fox]

hope not. but thanks

[true fox]

interesting, tell us

[glad spruce]

"'Echo is a well-known nymph in Greek mythology. She was an Oread, a mountain nymph. Hera, Zeus's wife, scorned her and sentenced her to only being able to repeat the last words spoken by others. This was quite the curse for a young nymph who loved to chat"'

And given our agent doesn't talk, being called Echo by ANNA feels pretty apt.

[true fox]

I wanted him to talk, thanks for the analysis

[ashen jungle]

The best part? Casandra was another figure in Greek Mythology, cursed with the same problem.

[glad spruce]

My impression is that Cassandra is cursed to speak truth that will never be believed

[ashen jungle]

Visions of the future but no one to believe her, which I'm fairly sure is the intention behind them picking that name.

[cold bramble]

Do we still have Keeners watch on us? What did he do last season? Just replicate the system or something?

[wicked gorge]

Replicate

[glad spruce]

Yes. And basically, he got another watch where he used it to clone the ANNA system to to his during the end of Y5S3.

[sudden mortar]

I wonder if agent Sanders will join us or try to stop us if we become part of Keener's team

[sleek plover]

I say it is kinda unlikely to see ourselves joining either keener or nat

After all, the true "good guys" of the story is the civilians, the american people.

[ember vector]

I wonder if we will have the Plymouth Rock Safe House again in the Brooklyn DLC. Imagine the nostalgia trip just walking around the same path we walked back in the tutorial section of the first game all those long years ago. And the icing on the cake would be snow again, even if it's just for the DLC!

[glad spruce]

Well, we're currently late October in the game's timeline, so anything is possible.

The legacy Manhunt menu gives us the timeline for every season, so we do know where we at in the current timeline.

[cold bramble]

Do you guys think if we end up joining keener we’ll be designated rogue?

[glad spruce]

Very likely

[sudden mortar]

By ISAC? very likely, but if we use ANNA maybe she'll keep our rings orange instead of red just like Kenner's watch is orange now.

[cold bramble]

How would it work for our systems if we switch to using Anna? Or would there not be any difference?

[sudden mortar]

Technically ISAC is a worse version of ANNA, so it would be the same thing, but with an AI that has a better algorithm and better hacking ability.

It's like changing from chat GPT-3 to GPT-4o. it's the same thing but better.

[cold bramble]

I hope that if we do make the change we actually see it in game in terms of what we the player can do

What’s your guys thoughts on the prospect of that?

[glad spruce]

No idea. I'm not omniscient

My question is whether the devs are gonna have us defeat in the expansion next year.

And if so, what's gonna Div 3's story gonna be about?

[cold bramble]

Very good question

[sick lantern]

there's a whole country full of people and places for the game to be about

[unique spruce]

While its currently hard to think of Division without Tusk, Cal, and all this stuff, remember we've already had a game without them lol. We can do it again

A big lesson I hope many developers would learn. Not every story has to have the fate of the city/country/world/humanity hang in the balance

You can make a compelling story without the risk of ending life as we know it!

[glad spruce]

True. Maybe Division 3 can be the aftermath of Division/Black Tusk war where the Division is reformed to do what it was supposed to do.

[unique spruce]

Or it just collapses and we continue our work post-division

[sick lantern]

plus we would need another four new factions for div 3's base game as well

[unique spruce]

If they wanted to keep that going I guess. I dont see them as needing to

[sick lantern]

would be pretty silly if they didn't

[unique spruce]

Why?

[sick lantern]

and fighting the black tusk for the rest of the entirety of div 3 seems like an absolute narrative and aesthetic slog

[unique spruce]

I'm hoping Black Tusk is solved by the end of 2

[sick lantern]

division 2 introduced four new factions for the sake of changing gameplay, how they tie in to the new location, etc etc
not doing that again seems like a net negative

[unique spruce]

Anyways, just because 1 and 2 had so many factions, doesn't mean 3 has to follow suit. Sometimes changing things up is good

All comes down to execution

Maybe say...

Division 3 is about being in a city split right down the middle in a civil war kinda situation. That would only need to be 2-3 factions and could still be very interesting and have gameplay variety

[sick lantern]

if the black tusk are back then they again will be the high tier high tech most powerful end game faction, it'd be like 8 years straight of having the black tusk as the main threat. or you introduce another faction who are stronger than the black tusk and have somehow beat down the BT to scrub tier in that area and that would feel rather out of place

[unique spruce]

Why so hung up on black tusk

[sick lantern]

3 is fair but 2 is definitely not enough

[sudden mortar]

I think they give more story for the minor factions in the div3, the roamers, ambushers, the underground.

[unique spruce]

Who's to say they will have anything to do with a 3rd game

(tusk)

[sick lantern]

... that was literally how the conversation started?????????????

[unique spruce]

By me saying Div 3 doesn't need Tusk, Cal, etc?

[sick lantern]

yes

[sick lantern]

^

[unique spruce]

So therefore you keep forcing Tusk into it even though the conversation is about a game without them

[sick lantern]

bruh

[sick lantern]

i was saying how having the black tusk come back is a bad idea

[unique spruce]

Not how I read that at all

[sick lantern]

💀

[sudden mortar]

Seeing how div1 and 2 went, a new major threat in the div3 would probably be another PMC like black tusk and LMB.

[unique spruce]

That's because Ubisoft has some stiffy for "evil high tech PMC with drones"

Div 1, div 2, watch dogs, ghost recon, assassins creed

Getting old tbh

[sudden mortar]

Because realistically speaking they would have more resources, they are military companies after all.

[unique spruce]

But they're like... Literally the same in every game

I dunno I'm just sick of it

[sick lantern]

same

after LMB and BT we need something different for the end game faction

[unique spruce]

Raaaaghh Ive got drones and like abusing civilians! Look at my black high speed outfit raaagh

[sudden mortar]

Okay, what would you like to have as an enemy faction? A religious group, a paramilitary group, an army of outlaws or some kind of mad max faction.

[unique spruce]

Any tbh except for paramilitary

But, I don't need to have the solution to call something lame

I'm not a hired writer

[sick lantern]

could relatively easily ditch the "endgame faction" altogether and have multiple be of equal importance

[unique spruce]

Good old civi warlord or raider type faction

[glad spruce]

I guess we'll just have to find out in the future

[wicked gorge]

Paramilitary is starting to get a little stale for endgame content, a good idea for a faction concept is something they did in the west side pier expansion and combined factions to use their skills

[floral gull]

https://youtu.be/H4Pnk4HIoks?si=iUuns-XcqSQpDu8v

[wicked gorge]

On the newest NGN video, one of the comments talks about the Greek reference and it’s interesting, discussing Greek story have tragedies and how the end of the season might come at a great cost

[vague oyster]

Okay I know its been a few days but random question. Did other people get their masks from watching ubisoft forward?

[tall prism]

I hope we get a new faction in the dlc, something that could throw us for a curve

[cold bramble]

You got a top 5 things you wanna see in the dlc?

[tall prism]

Maybe, why?

[cold bramble]

Just asking lol

[tall prism]

Yeah I'm hoping for some new hostiles, apparel, a new area with DZ and hunters, and maybe more on Sokolova andn Mcmanus

[sudden mortar]

Would be cool if we join Keener as rogues and our objective would be to eliminate SHD agents or recruit some of them for Keener's cause.

[tall prism]

I think that keener is still trying to somewhat help us, because that's why Lau and Kelso joined, was to get down to the bottom of whatever is causing problems, so we might also help, and finally figure out who's pulling the strings

[sudden mortar]

Yeah but idk if the devs are gonna deliver something big in gameplay as you mentioned. They were making big expectations with the project resolver and we all know how it went

[tall prism]

Lol yeah

[urban musk]

who's pulling the strings though?

wait, I'll tell you.

Calvin McManus

[tall prism]

Probably, I wouldn5 doubt it

[urban musk]

I mean, in the descent comms, he plays everyone like a fiddle.

I mean the only reason he got that far is because he's the secretary of homeland security. I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if all the investors in Black Tusk were apart of Calvin's plan all along.

IMO I don't think the BTSU is the true true enemy here, they are an enemy faction, sure. but something tells me, cal has something else waiting in line just in case the BTSU fails. and it's not just the hunters. oh no, the way Cal has been portrayed makes me think, he has more than just a big red button.

[wicked gorge]

Since he’s secretary of homeland security and potentially the next president, im pretty sure we haven’t even seen him reach his hand into his bag of tricks

[sleek plover]

I am pretty sure that Morovian society was mentioned for a reason...maybe they are actually going with the illuminatiesque secret society route

[unique spruce]

He's got a long way to go before it's his turn, assuming everyone in the government didn't drop dead.

Which I doubt they did. If anyone is going to survive, it's the elites, politicians, and wealthy

Speaker of the House is second in line for succession.

Sec of Homeland is.... 18th

I have been interested in why no one seems interested in finding the status of the next in line though...

"President Pro Tempore of the Senate"

Even if we can't get them sworn in, I'm sure having the next in line after Ellis alive and secure puts a kink in Cal and Nats plans at the least

[unique spruce]

Stupid excuse for a mission or two abroad actually.

Agent, the Secretary of State got stuck during their vacation to Monaco during the start of the outbreak. Go rescue them

[wicked gorge]

Only problem is, McManus has an elite group of assassins at his disposal

[late void]

Yup. They didn't flag as new, but when I went hunting through my mask inventory they were in there

[unique spruce]

Ok, but do we know he's used them against anyone other than the Division

[gaunt ice]

so far they have done a horrible job at killing us

or anyone that matters anyway

and their leader got slammed by a mortar shell point blank like 2 days ago ingame,i think

[glad spruce]

Puppeteers (Y5S2) took place in 18th October while Vanguard (Y5S3) took place in 20th October. I think we're currently in 22nd October, I think.

And since I doubt Open World Hunters are canon, we killed like three hunters, canon wise

[unique spruce]

Man, I hate the progression of time in Div 2

[glad spruce]

It wouldn't be better if the time progression went after Season 4 by like 1 and a half years.

[unique spruce]

I don't know what the timescale should be. But there is just too many events packed in such a short timespan

[glad spruce]

Technically, its like a couple of weeks at most. Season 9 took a day. Season 10 took two weeks. Season 11 took a day. Y5S1/Y5S2 took 2 days each. While Vanguard took 2 days as well, at least that's how I see it.

Speaking of Legacy Manhunts, its still doing the final manhunt mission and not the whole manhunt, correct?

[gaunt ice]

so safe to assume Johnson died like 2 days ago

[gaunt ice]

also can we talk about how much of a superhuman feat it is to run around DC with like 100 pounds of gear,tearing through enemies like butter and also killing like 200 black tusk in just the finale any season

especially season 9 which is the Lewis one right?
in a single day

its not like we have cars to drive us around and needing a helo to move around downtown DC sounds unlikely

[glad spruce]

I'd say its one of those cases where lore and gameplay are segregated.

[gaunt ice]

probably but even the characters acknowledge some of the stuff we do is insane

like ok lets just tone down the feats a bit

we still basically walked into multiple ambushes and came out the victor

[glad spruce]

https://x.com/ParrottTom/status/1800643054732222789

Speaking of the upcoming Crossroads apparel event next week.

[unique spruce]

Even if they are. With the tempo of events, does our agent event have time to rest, let alone sleep?

[gaunt ice]

honestly probably not

maybe we do some times

[unique spruce]

Just running at 110% for two+ months

[gaunt ice]

but part of being a spec op person is pulling the night oil i think

[gaunt ice]

the timing of this makes me think that we can easily have snowy NYC back

[glad spruce]

I guess we better get our coats ready

[gaunt ice]

just stretch the timelines of this season and the next season to around early december

[unique spruce]

Well if you stretch it yeah

I more imagine we'll get Autumn

Which is good as we haven't had that season yet

Though working in a DC/NY snow season would be neat if they kept up with it.

Winter/summer seasons

Especially tbh, if they do it the opposite of the real season lol.

[wicked gorge]

If I remember correctly, it’s been hinted at multiple times in some comns that McManus used hunters as assassins

[wicked gorge]

That’s just plot armor

[unique spruce]

Until I've got a confirmed kill, I'm gonna assume it's just hunting/assassinating Div agents and related folks

Or at least a very strong suggestion that someone not related to Div in some way has been killed

[sick lantern]

remember Johnson (or another Hunter but I presume Johnson iirc) killed Lewis

[late void]

during the schaeffer manhunt season, the hunter you fight in the final mission appeared multiple times during the bounties etc you had to do, and was hostile to whatever faction it was you were fighting at the time (BT?) then in that manhunt mission itself there's comms of it killing other enemies

[unique spruce]

Sus, but still a long way from political assassination

That's killing enemies of the state. I think it's a big line to cross when he starts killing people part of the government, who aren't connected to us

[wicked gorge]

Doesn’t matter, he allied with sokalova and most likely planned the assassination of Waller with Black Tusk to instate Ellis as president to have access to the nuke arsenal

Since Faye assassinated potus and hindered the original plan, McManus has to improvise

[glad spruce]

IIRC, Waller died of a heart attack. It was Mendez that they had him assassinated

[unique spruce]

All I'm hearing is "most likely"

[glad spruce]

What?

[unique spruce]

Not you

[glad spruce]

Ah, okay

[waxen sonnet]

Or does he, Keener's got something to seemingly counter them, we keep punching hunters faces in like its going outta fashion and now the division knows they're moles, there lifespan's soon running out.

McManus's Hunters are a one trick pony, now we're matching them in Combat and countering them on a tech playing field potentially soon, he may not have much left at his disposal

[waxen sonnet]

Let alone of course Killing the Recruiter is the whole "cutting the head off the snake"

[wicked gorge]

Thank you I couldn’t remember the presidents before Ellis

[wicked gorge]

Don’t put all your eggs in one basket, there’s probably more recruiters, Johnson was probably the most favorite

[waxen sonnet]

Possibly, but after all these years he's been the only Hunter aluded to even have a title, so that has to indicate a high significance or chief role imo.

[vague veldt]

I don't understand DC visual, plants grow on building everywhere but isn't this supposed to be like just 6 months after the first outbreak?

or is there a hidden environmentalist faction trying to grow trees everywhere in the city cuz they can

[north charm]

Hi all, thought you might some Division fan fic - https://matthewsylvesterauthor.com/2019/04/26/team-vector-burn-notice-a-tom-clancys-the-division-2-short-story-chapter-1/

[glad spruce]

Got this week's Descent comm. It's called Upstate.

||Agent Melanie Hoskins gets an update about her family in Buffalo from Keener where he had a "friend" check up on them and they're doing fine as a way to demonstrate his reach. Although she suspects a threat, Keener convinces Hoskins that with the help of the Rogue Network, he can get her off Manhattan to visit her family and make sure they're perfectly fine. And in exchange, he wants Hoskins to visit a a small installation in a "tiny town in the middle of nowhere" while Keener sends some people to keep her family safe||

[ember vector]

7 months after the initial outbreak!

[unique spruce]

Yeah the city is way more overgrown than it has any right to be lmao

[glad spruce]

And without people to maintain the city's infrastructure, it was only been a matter of time till the plants and grass get overgrown

There's also the fact that Washington is in PNW, IIRC.

[unique spruce]

Wrong Washington

DC is Mid-Atlantic. Other side of the country. Washington state is PNW

We're on the East coast, PNW is West Coast, to make it easier

Anyways,

Yeah trees and stuff don't grow that fast. D.C.should look... Well like it normally does, but with scruffy planters

Unless Green Poison has some secret side benefit of unnaturally fast plant growth and extra thorough seeding

[glad spruce]

Considering the eco-fascism beliefs that Amherst had, I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case

[waxen sonnet]

Listening to the actual audio and how its voice acted in itself, Boy does Keener come across real back to his old way of that sinister undertones to supposed "good"

[waxen sonnet]

Also wonder if its gonna be Alaska if that keeps get referenced in previous Ortiz related comms about server bunkers etc

[glad spruce]

Yeah, the fact that the very first Descent comm mentions server bunkers in Alaska can't be a coincidence.

Maybe Division 3 is gonna be set in Alaska.

[sick lantern]

i don’t believe that is physically possible ngl

[wicked gorge]

I think it is with proper genetics and coding, but im not 100% sure

[sick lantern]

I'm not a virologist but just to cross the species barrier from human to plant would be... astronomically difficult no

no, straight up impossible rather lol

[ashen jungle]

If we're just making up random science stuff that we vaguely recall from high school, I'm going to throw the word "quantum" in there.

oh and "nano machines"

[next hemlock]

Random words go I guess

[sick lantern]

or you can google "can plant viruses infect humans" and get a lot of nos

[ashen jungle]

Hey that phrase was the key to all sci-fi when I was growing up.

it's the current gen's "genetic modification".

[sick lantern]

||Hunters are literally coked up on regenerative nanomachines so||

[wicked gorge]

Like I said I don’t know, I hated science and loved history so idfk what im saying tbh

[wicked gorge]

You mean the drink from fallout?

[ashen jungle]

I know that's probably a joke, but it's genuinely upsetting to read.

[wicked gorge]

But blue soda with radiation go brr 😦

And yes it was a joke

[wicked gorge]

Wouldn’t this be technically true cause of the combat cocktails? Minus the nano machines

[sick lantern]

i said literally for a reason

it's in Hunted

[wicked gorge]

Well I haven’t read Hunter yet so my bad

[glad spruce]

It's fine. You can buy them on Amazon digitally if you don't feel like paying for shipment

[unique spruce]

I can't read

[wicked gorge]

Would like to but I gotta read two textbooks for some classes so i really don’t got the time to read

[glad spruce]

Like, you have trouble reading or you just don't feel like reading?

[wicked gorge]

It was probably more of a joke

[glad spruce]

Oh

[glad spruce]

Well, I lack social cues in Discord, so I don't know what is sarcasm and not

[wicked gorge]

It okay, you still get cookie 🍪

[glad spruce]

So if I recall correctly, the whole reason that General Anderson sent his True Sons forces to D.C back in Season 9 so they can investigate the connection between Black Tusk and the Hunters, correct?

[wicked gorge]

And to reclaim a foothold in DC yes

[glad spruce]

Good to know

[wicked gorge]

Remember the most important part of the upcoming dlc, Rick Valassi

[languid sentinel]

rick valassi, my beloved

[ember vector]

Good evening Mr and Mrs New York City from East to Hudson and Bronx to Queens, and all the garbage scows at see. Except Staten Island you're not a real borough! 🤣

[glad spruce]

Honestly, I would love to have Valassi go conspiracy theory on Black Tusk, Hunters, etc...

[late void]

Valassi probably BT agent all along, undermining the division like he did

[wicked gorge]

Didnt Valassi have a comm set in div 1 where someone was tracking him then called off the search cause she found something terrifying

[glad spruce]

Yes. I'm guessing the devs dropped that storyline cuz I'd imagine some players wouldn't like having a conspiracy theorist being part of the Elite who are supporting Black Tusk and Sokolova to conquer the U.S

[wicked gorge]

Hopefully in the division 3 we can have a horse to ride

[sick lantern]

to be quite honest that series of phone calls is the only indication he was anything over than a "legit" reporter with a bone to pick with the government

he was a vietnam vet turned veteran's affairs advocate

[ashen jungle]

if Valassi was around IRL, he'd have a podcast and a vitamin sponsorship.

[sick lantern]

not surprising he acts and talks the way he does with that background lol

[sick lantern]

and he doesn't even appear in the phone calls at all
the woman thinks it's odd that she has trouble finding proof of his identity at some office... in the middle of a viral outbreak
i don't think proper record keeping stayed a priority when co workers start coughing up blood yaknow

[wicked gorge]

Calm down there triple j

[languid sentinel]

TD1 was in upper manhattan correct?

[glad spruce]

Midtown Manhattan

[languid sentinel]

gotcha

do we know what happened to our agent in TD1? NYC seemed to be in pretty good shape at the end of TD1, but things seem pretty grim in WONY

also, how much time takes place between TD1 and WONY?

[sick lantern]

td1-td2= 7 months
td2-wony= 1 month

[glad spruce]

That's in the grey canon area, IIRC. It's up to you decide how your TD1 Agent ends up. They could've went to D.C, died while in the Dark Zone, or went to help other places.

[languid sentinel]

gotcha

just hard to believe rhodes would hate the division so badly after he was finally warming up to the TD1 agent around the end of TD1

[glad spruce]

Considering how things got pretty bad in NYC in the months after TD1, I can't really blame him.

[languid sentinel]

just strange that the division was able to make so much progress for it all to go downhill so quick

which from the comms i’ve found so far, it sounds like it was mostly hells kitchen that got hit hard in NYC

[glad spruce]

Yeah. And of course, the dwindling manpower and resources.

[wicked gorge]

Rhodes is a conspiracy theorist and never trusted the division, just cause one agent grew on him doesnt mean he’ll trust the whole organization

[languid sentinel]

fair

[urban musk]

speaking of which I find it odd the explanation for this is basically "some JTF personnel got too comfy, didn't feel like there was any more danger in NYC and left the JTF." all the while Aaron Keener was still on the loose, and a bunch of other things happened.

[languid sentinel]

aaron keener was on the loose WITH a russian virologist who knew amherst

eclipse or something like it was inevitable

[urban musk]

yeah, which is why I find it ridiculous that JTF Personnel would be leaving for haven.

[languid sentinel]

speaking of tchenko, what did he do to conley? i know in coney island there were voicelines about him doing something to her and her family

[urban musk]

green poison most likely.

[languid sentinel]

i could understand it if they were trying to gain more ground and territory over manhattan, but abandoning the JTF doesn’t make much sense

also all of the foreshadowing in WONY of faye going rogue is crazy, through the comms and cutscenes

[urban musk]

I'm at least hoping there's some JTF Personnel left in Brooklyn, I'd love to be fighting alongside those folks while taking over control points.

[languid sentinel]

i imagine there are

[urban musk]

eh, given what's going on with the division, I doubt it.

[languid sentinel]

do we have a definite idea of the origins of the JTF? Isnt it just first responders and such that joined together after CERA collapsed and failed?

[urban musk]

CERA never collapsed or failed.

[languid sentinel]

oh

just seemed like it with how every cera area you come across seems destroyed or abandoned

besides the BoO ofc, but CERA doesn’t seem to be heavily involved

[sudden mortar]

One thing I noticed is if you create a character in DC from level one and go to NY, you will arrive with Kelso in a helicopter but if you create a character straight into DLC, only Kelso's gonna arrive with the helicopter, our agent will already be in NY like we never went to DC.

[glad spruce]

I should mention that CERA is the Division's version of FEMA

[urban musk]

If I recall, the origins of the JTF start around about the same time as construction of the dark zone began, since first responders, military and city workers were getting overwhelmed and collaboration was difficult due to barriers in how different agencies work, the JTF was formed under a presidential order to help remove that barrier.

[languid sentinel]

gotcha

is midtowns DZ the largest DZ we know of?

[urban musk]

yes.

[languid sentinel]

figured

[urban musk]

it is also the first dark zone ever created.

[wicked gorge]

Tbh it’s realistic, people will get tired of a cause even if it’s the right thing to serve if it means protecting love ones

[urban musk]

not really, ever heard of real life conflicts?

[wicked gorge]

Jtf is the joint task force of emts, police, national guard, firefighters, etc

[sudden mortar]

I wonder if central park is a dead zone, nothing but corpses bags.

[languid sentinel]

everything we’ve ever seen makes it appear as a mass grave

pretty sure its even referred to as a mass grave in one of the cutscenes

[wicked gorge]

Im not looking at this in a real life conflict situation tho

[languid sentinel]

i wouldve loved to have been able to go into central park. One of my favorite parts of NYC is the eeriness of seeing all the boxes and biohazard bags lining the streets

the atmosphere in NYC is amazing, and so, so terrifying

subway morgue was when it really hit me just how bad the outbreak and green poison was

[wicked gorge]

I mean technically you could at one point with glitches if im right

[languid sentinel]

you’re right, but there were no textures

the DZ in D1 is full of boundary break locations where you can get out or under the map

[urban musk]

well, what are you basing it off of? the JTF had to deal with rikers and cleaners, the most derranged people in the city, if anything it would make more sense for the JTF both IRL and in-game to still be fighting them, especially after the rikers took over hells kitchen. and not to mention, it's been 8 months. the JTF isn't a "cause" it's an organization.

[languid sentinel]

hells kitchen shouldve been a sign that it was time to stay put and make change

[urban musk]

pretty sure JTF recruiting numbers would be drastically higher after that.

some mean bastards who haven't changed out of orange prison jumpsuits took over daredevils' territory? well, let's get em!

[languid sentinel]

do you guys think society even has a chance to flourish again? could it ever return to pre-outbreak?

its hard to see how areas like the NYC DZ could become like really inhabitable again

even with the BSAV, enemy factions like the BTSU seem to not be going anywhere

off topic but id love to see how the DZ looks like now that its no longer winter

i imagine itd be similar to battery park

[glad spruce]

Doubt things will return to pre-outbreak. The current state of things is the new normal, so it's best to maintain it against hostile elements like Black Tusk and their quest for world domination.

[languid sentinel]

yea

did green poison hit other countries just as hard?

[sick lantern]

not entirely

https://youtu.be/YGkQ-LH0NLA?feature=shared

[wicked gorge]

Eventually yes, The past has shown that humanity has always found a way to thrive after extinction events

[languid sentinel]

i imagine it would, but i do wonder if there will ever be a sense of government like the U.S. government again

with ellis dead, there isnt a sitting president right?

[wicked gorge]

Not at first, tbh it might be a last of us scenario where it might become a communist situation for communities till the government can be reestablished or the country might divide into sections

[languid sentinel]

be kinda impossible with the BTSU still being active

and with the division still trying to protect what little of whats left of the government and society, itd be hard for any kind of change

[tepid ibex]

Gawd dammit, we need a reason to go back to TD1. I wish they would add an unexpected late DLC 🥺

[wicked gorge]

Just go back and smell the roses

[unique spruce]

Uh it's the middle of winter there's no roses

[wicked gorge]

Well go smell the bodies and hazardous waste

[sudden mortar]

Just wait a few years with the climate changes and it will be roses

[glad spruce]

IIRC, The Recruiter manhunt finale was released in late December last year, correct?

[unique spruce]

They should've made the cloakless recruiter outfit have a hole in the torso from the mortar round lol

[true fox]

just to make sure,
Kenner's SHD clock will actually hold 1,000 and
After that, it's just a matter of replenishing life and resources, right?

[late void]

after that you get scavenging points every level

[true fox]

What exactly do these points help with?

[late void]

they're the same ones you currently get every 5 levels, you can choose what crafting/optimisation resource to spend them on

[true fox]

That's okay,
My doubt is the following, actually it's more to be sure,
When the clock reaches 1,000 his attributes, they all close, finishing at 50 points each. all good.
After 1,000, these attributes no longer receive anything, the points will now only be used to collect resources and boost life? just that ?

[late void]

Yes, and once you reach shd 2000 you don't get any more life increases, just the resource points

[true fox]

interesting, thank you.

[wicked gorge]

Si

[glad spruce]

Good to know. Cuz I know the Hunted novel was released in January 4th, a week after the release of the Recruiter manhunt finale.

Which kinda makes sense considering both stories reveal that the Hunters or at least some of them are embedded in the Division

[wicked gorge]

We’re even in the walls

[glad spruce]

Really wish we get more Division novels.

It's honestly a shame that Thomas Parrott decided to stop talking about his Division novels in his Twitter

[sick lantern]

i feel like some copyright antics/publisher interference/etc might’ve went down personally. Hunted feels that way

[glad spruce]

Could you clarify?

[sick lantern]

i mean in terms of the structure of the plot and how it fares as a sequel to the prior entries

for example how he said on Twitter the Roughnecks were the new faction for the book and then they just weren’t mentioned at all??? until once at the end and i was like “oh yea like in the tweet”

[glad spruce]

Fair enough.

[true fox]

Speaking about the books, can you tell me if they have a place in the timeline?

[glad spruce]

I'm not sure what place they have in the timeline. But I can say they were referenced quite a bit over the past few seasons

[true fox]

I don't have the books...
but can you tell me at least one reference to each book in how many seasons?

[glad spruce]

Okay.

So, in Year 5 Season 1, there are a number of comms from Eva Garcia talking about her time in the Athena community settlement, the Outcasts attack, and Maira's recruitment to the Division.

In Year 5 Season 2, in one of Birdie's comms, she admits to Manny that she doesn't have enough expertise to work her way through a mobile SHD server as he'd need someone more proficient like Claire Ortiz or Maira Kanhai.

In Year 5 Season 3, the fourth Kelso note has her mention the attack on the Kansas Core which was depicted in the first novel, especially since she also mentions SHD Network has been spotty since then.

[true fox]

I understand, it seems that these books take place before these seasons and if...
Have you ever seen that in the legacy of the hunt there are dates of events?
We could come up with something to include there instead

[glad spruce]

Yeah, I'm aware of the timeline in the Legacy Manhunt menu.

Neat way to know where we are in the current timeline.

[true fox]

I think I can put them
Are you sure it's just these mentions?

[glad spruce]

Yes. If there's any further mentions or perhaps future comms featuring the characters, I will let you know.

[true fox]

I owe you a Hawkster

[glad spruce]

You're welcome. And it's I owe you one

[round flare]

Hey im recently playing TD 2 again

it seems i missed a lot of lore

[round flare]

Can you give me a short briefing what happened after i shut down Bardons attempt with the missile

cuz it seems Keener lives?!

i shot this fugger

[glad spruce]

Oh sorry. You meant Keener

[round flare]

BTSU story ends with destroying the missile

WONY ends with me putting Keener down

Apparently Faye turned evil , Kelso lost her marbles and Keener does the Emperor Palpatine move and goes YEEEHAW im back

[glad spruce]

Okay, gimme a bit to recap

[wicked gorge]

Sit back and enjoy the show cause it’s gonna get complicated

[round flare]

Cant be more fukery than the MEtal gear timeline

[glad spruce]

In Season 9, while we're eliminating Captain Fred Lewis lieutenants, Faye Lau had an insurance policy with encrypted files.

As we decrypt them, we learn about Calvin McManus, that the Hunters work for Homeland Security, that Faye Lau was working undercover to undermine the Black Tusk, and that Bardon Schaeffer was at Coney Island to act as bait and have us capture him. We did, but he's still in a coma as we speak.

And during the finale for that season, we eliminate Jack Bonney and get his smart watch which reveals that he was a candidate for the Hunter program.

Regarding Schaeffer, he started having second thoughts working in Black Tusk given the shit that is going on with the Hunters, hence why he worked with Faye Lau to help the Division.

This is gonna be long, so bear with me.

[round flare]

The hunters are the edgelords with the watches and the masks iirc

[glad spruce]

Yes

[round flare]

Alright , so Schaeffer wanted to cut ties with BTSU , because they aint better than the streetgangs - theyre just rich and get all the fancy shmancy gear , but have no fucks given about collateral damage

[glad spruce]

Yes

There's still more recaps, so bear with me

[round flare]

Alright , im fine with this , i really wanna know what happend xD

[glad spruce]

Season 10:

General Anderson (The new True Sons leader and was introduced in Season 9) decided to rebuild his alliance with Black Tusk after realizing his faction is not strong enough to handle both the Division and Black Tusk.

Captain Fred Lewis and Candice Wallace (aka Wally) help us with intel, so we eliminate four of Anderson's lieutenants. However, Lewis gets captured and is sent to Pentco Fairview Power Plant (The location of the Countdown game mode)

We go to the Power Plant, rescue Lewis and extract within the 15 minute time limit. Why 15 minutes? It's because there was a fleet of Black Tusk hovercrafts coming in.

By the end of this, the True Sons and Black Tusk have re-established their alliance, though we do gain allies with Lewis, Wally, and a number of True Sons who defected.

Season 11:

Natalya Sokolova is taking more active approach and has sent Stovepipe and his Lieutenants to undermine the Division. Considering the rumors about the Dirty Bombs attack on St. Louis, eliminating Stovepipe is top priority.

As we eliminate his lieutenants, we also intercept comms from Hunter drones and learn that Stovepipe got cold feet when Natalya lied to him about the dirty bombs.

So we go to Coney Island to retrieve him, but it turns out to be a trap as Sokolova had him killed. We fight through dozens of drones, UGVs, warhounds including a very powerful one killed Sparkle.

Leaving Coney Island, we go to DC to secure the White House from Black Tusk's assault. Furthermore, Black Tusk deployed a countermeasure which disabled the SHD Network. The only reason we have our SHD Tech in use is due to a mobile SHD server. We eliminate the Black Tusk forces as well as their Razorback platform

Captain Lewis was killed by a Hunter while he was trying to keep the Black Tusk busy.

Natalya Sokolova sends an audio log to taunt us, telling us she'll always be one step ahead of us. Apparently, during the attack, she had the Black Tusk capture a number of high-profile civilians, including Mari Singh, Vikram Malik, and Cindy McAllister. Nat also reveals that Mari is pregnant and implores Manny to surrender.

So about Vikram Malik, after he betrayed us, he was forcefully working with the Black Tusk. After he outlived his usefulness, the Black Tusk cut him loose and he went to the JTF for assistance. So the JTF had him put in the Castle to help around in any way he can.

And Mari Singh, she was the Director of DC Aquarium (There's a classified assignment about the place). After the events of that mission, she works her way in the Castle, establishing food production in the settlement. She and Manny become a couple, and at some point, she got pregnant with his child.

I should also mention by the events of Season 11, the DC-62 that killed off the Castle died out, so that helped the JTF and the Division to start re-establishing the settlement.

[round flare]

Wait - HOLDON

Castle is a settlement now?

[glad spruce]

Yes

[round flare]

That postapocalyptic, bombarded into stoneage and gassed harder than Osowiec - Castle?

Holy shot

I missed a lot

[glad spruce]

Yep

Now if its okay, I should recap you Year 5 Seasons, one by one.

[round flare]

Alright

[harsh lily]

Hello everyone

[glad spruce]

Year 5 Season 1:

After Season 11, in addition to Mari Singh and a number of civilians kidnapped by Black Tusk, Vitaly Tchernenko and The Strategist were also captured.

In any case, we go rescue civillians which include John Yazzie, Eva Garcia, Lauren Fong, and Mitchell Billings. After rescuing the four civillians, we go to Manning National Zoo to rescue Mari Singh, eliminating Black Tusk forces standing in the way. While we extract Mari, the Recruiter reveals himself, observing us.

By the end of this season, Mari feels the only way to stop Black Tusk is to rescue Vikram Malik alongside. Meanwhile, a Black Tusk recon drone surveys the conversation with a Black Tusk soldier telling Sokolova that the asset is in place and is awaiting her orders. It's not very clear who's the asset is, it could be Mari or it could be the phone she has with her when she revealed that's pregnant with Manny's daughter.

But either way, this leads up to Year 5 Season 2, Puppeeters.

Oh, I should also mention with the addition of Descent game mode in that season, there's also comms that you get from it weekly, which reveals the secret history of Ortiz Robotics and their connection to Division and Black Tusk. And over the course of months, more Descent comms were added, including the current season.

[glad spruce]

Now, Year 5 Season 2:

Starts off a day after the previous season. To complicate matters, the mobile SHD server has been getting spotty ever since Mari was rescued. Agent Brian Johnson has re-established contact and is helping Division agents in rescuing the civilians.

We rescue civilians that includes Cindy McAllister, Mel Arnold, Jack Arnold, and Vikram Malik. After Malik was rescued, we go to Camp White Oak to rescue Vik's sister, Birdie and give the mobile SHD server to Brian.

However, things get complicated during the fighting as our SHD tech gets disabled every now and then. After making contact with Birdie, we learn that Brian Johnson is the Recruiter and we need to eliminate him before he escapes with the mobile SHD server.

The fight against the Recruiter is difficult as his defender drone is very powerful, so Birdie helps us by deploying the countermeasure to disable both us and Recruiter's tech. Eventually, the Recruiter is defeated when Birdie uses the mortar against him, dying from his wounds.

The reveal that a Division agent is a Hunter hasn't made things easy, especially Vikram who asks whether Kelso could be trusted considering her CIA past. In any case, Natalya Sokolova starts to spread her propaganda, in hopes to sway the civvies to her side.

We also solve a number of puzzle that give us comms which establishes Brian Johnson's loyalty to Calvin McManus' ideals and that he was in the Hunter program for a while.

Not related to the season's story, but its still as important, the Paradise Lost Incursion involves Division agents answering a distress call from Mackenzie Meret, the heiress to Meret estate and the leader of the community settlement established in the estate's premises. In the incursion, we eliminate Cleaners including their commanders: Wright and the Lovebirds, Johnson and Martinez.

The comms from the incursion establishes Mackenzie's complicated friendship with Natalya Sokolova. And the whole reason the Cleaners attacked the settlement so that Wright kidnaps Mackenzie and put her into Sokolova's custody. Also, McManus loaned some SHD tech to the Cleaners (that SHD tech were in the hands of the Lovebirds when we fought them) so that the attack couldn't be traced to Sokolova.

[wicked gorge]

Damn Hawkster you committed

[glad spruce]

If a fellow player needs a story recap, I'll happily oblige.

[round flare]

So i get this straight.

They all gang up kinda on the Division , try to hit us where they can and even bust our tech
Meanwhile the Division tries to unwind the black tusk fustercluck

Sokolova pulls the Propagangnamstyle and baseline taints the reputation.

Mc Manus is kinda the shady illuminati shadowgovernment superhobo

Sorry for putting this that simple

[glad spruce]

Mmmmm, yeah, that's kind of the basis, yeah.

I know you were wondering how Keener is alive, so let's get to recapping Year 5 Season 3.

[wicked gorge]

Then you got the descent comns to look into that add another layer to the story

[round flare]

And honestly , thanks for the recap , i played TD2 in the beginning , but as covid hitted hard i quitted for a long time because it got a bit too real^^

[wicked gorge]

I kept playing cause it’s all I had to do😂

I remember all the Covid memes that were dropping cause of the timing of warlords of New York

[round flare]

When you work in an ambulance and see all the shit from the pandemic it was a bitter taste - but that is a me problem , not a game problem

[wicked gorge]

Nah I understand, I was still in school when the lockdown hit and the div 2 was all i really had to do besides Minecraft and cod

[glad spruce]

Year 5 Season 3:

While we were busy rescuing civilians from Black Tusk, Agent Kelso was in New York to keep things stable. She goes missing, so we go to New York to investigate Kelos's whereabouts

Throughout the investigation, we learn a number of things. We learn that Cassandra is a codename for Faye Lau and that she was working with Keener to undermine Black Tusk and neutralize the Hunters during the events of WONY. And Bridgetter "Viper" Douglas was in on this whole venture as well.

After finishing our investigation, Kelso's location was pinged on the Stranded Tanker. While we go through the mission, we also fight off Black Tusk and True Sons who were intercepting Cassandra. Keep in mind that Kelso has Faye's watch with her.

After the hostiles were dealt with, we go inside the Tanker and look at a SHD crate. We open it, only to be given a shock therapy and get unconscious. Keener uses the opportunity to clone the ANNA AI we have in his old watch to his new one, opened the crate, and took a mobile SHD server with him.

He escapes New York city alongside Theo Parnell and Kelso, who got marked Rogue

In the season comms, it reveals that Theo Parnell survived his death during the Tombs mission by tracking ISAC with a decoy and a copy of ANNA. Keener is a similar case as he faked his death, allowing him and Parnell to continue their work while the Division and Black Tusk are none the wiser.

Keener sends an audio message to Haven, where he tries to convince us to work with him as he believes the Division is a lost cause after the things we went through. And as long McManus and Sokolova are in the picture, more people will die.

[wicked gorge]

Yep that ties everything up

[ashen jungle]

@glad spruce You did forget one very important thing.

[glad spruce]

Oh?

[ashen jungle]

There's now 2 separate dogs that we can pet.

[glad spruce]

Oh yeah!

How did I forget?

[wicked gorge]

I forgot about ransom, imma go pet him now

[glad spruce]

BTW, John. You can pet a dog in the Castle Settlement and a dog in Haven settlement.

[wicked gorge]

Did we ever name the dog at haven?

[glad spruce]

In any case, the current season we're in (Y6S1), we do four trials that Keener put for us before we get to meet him face to face. He hopes by the time we get to see him personally, we understand who's the real threat to the Division.

I should also mention the trials are also named after figures from Greek mythology, so their names aren't a coincidence

[wicked gorge]

Let’s hope no one shoots him again in person WINK WINK

[glad spruce]

Crackpot theory: Our agent will join Keener by the end of this season, be it willingly or unwillingly.

And our seasonal characters will be agents newly deployed to DC to focus on other threats in the capitol.

[wicked gorge]

Probably wont join him this season but maybe during the dlc

[glad spruce]

Yeah, true.

[wicked gorge]

Remember Hawkster you gotta go through all 54 descent comns and explain them all

[glad spruce]

Yeah, that one will take a while, so I'm gonna need some time summarizing them.

[wicked gorge]

Only important to mention really is the shd tech integration, back door protocol, and Anna

[glad spruce]

Good point

[wicked gorge]

Rest is just filler and extra lore , so might as well cover the important stuff only

[glad spruce]

BTW, Rivens. Would it be okay if I have my posts summarizing Seasons 9-11, Year 5 seasons pinned?

[wicked gorge]

Remember you gotta say Plwease with puppy eyes

[glad spruce]

Pwease, Rivens? puppy eyes

[wicked gorge]

Damn you can’t say no to a cat with puppy eyes that’ll make you a monster

[ashen jungle]

I know you meant that in a cute way, but I read that as they have puppy eyes, as in, just in a case.

I'll have to look into it. We don't really pin stuff all that often.

[glad spruce]

Fair enough.

So, Descent. The whole story and comms behind it is a rabbit hole, so let's start with what is Ortiz Robotics and covering the most important stuff.

Ortiz Robotics is an engineering and robotics design company ran by husband and wife, Alexander and Claire Ortiz. They're responsible for designing the Descent combat simulation, ISAC, ANNA, and the SHD tech used by the Division and Black Tusk.

One of their most important creations is ANNA. An AI system that's more advanced than ISAC, as she's able to pass the Turing test, can give more in-depth details to the user in how to get their job done, and can be sassy and sarcastic at times.

However, some folks like Natalya Sokolova and Calvin McManus wouldn't feel comfortable having ANNA as the handler for their field operatives and wanted have ANNA shut down. Claire had a different idea as she kept ANNA beneath ISAC's code through a mobile SHD server.

Now, for the backdoor protocol. Calvin McManus wanted a watch that can allow him to keep an eye on all three AI systems (ANNA, ISAC, DIAMOND). The Ortiz couple obliged, though they were concerned that the protocol would compromise the security.

Lastly, the SHD Tech integration. Basically, Black Tusk's armada of Warhounds are secretly integrated with SHD Tech. This allowed McManus the advantages as he cen have the Hunters take over the Warhounds if the need arises. Keep in mind that Hunters have access to ISAC's classified protocol. This also explains how Keener got control of the Warhounds in Liberty Island.

But more importantly, the SHD Tech integration was a boon for us as well. When Black Tusk caused the SHD Network blackout, it also compromised their tech. This delayed them from invading Washington until they got their tech back online (Presumably around the time SHD Network was re-established).

[sick lantern]

broken dawn takes place before div 2 but the ending kinda contradicts div 2.
the in game timeline contradicts the timeframes given in operation crossroads
so no, not really

[sick lantern]

also, it was mentioned that the Black Tusk seemed to be working with the Roamers (evil lorry drivers)
all these mentions are basically just surface level and don’t really affect the ongoing plot

[glad spruce]

Y'know, considering the fact that Season 1 took place in August 20th, I'm feeling like WONY took place around mid-August in the timeline

[sudden mortar]

And I guess that in game we're near mid-September maybe? Because the final cutscene in the hidden alliance, where Kelso tells Manny about Schaeffer and Lau, Manny said that Schaeffer has been in a coma for weeks.

[glad spruce]

Probably. We're currently around late October in the timeline as of this season

[sudden mortar]

So maybe when we arrive in Brooklyn, it will be winter, just like how we started in the division 1

Especially with the fact that Kenner tells us to be patient after we completed the echo test, he doesn't mention days or weeks so idk.

[round flare]

Thank you for the recap
Like for real bro 🙂

Seems like my G36 , My Shotgun and my trusty Riotshield have some baddies to shwack

[glad spruce]

No problem, cap 🫡

It's a long shot, but I do hope the mods are okay having my recap posts pinned

[round flare]

Thing is , for what its worth - i can understand Keener turning rogue , as much as i can understand why the Outcasts are rebelling

This Recap kinda has proven my personal suspicions against the Division

But its still not a reason to turn rogue

[glad spruce]

True. But with the way things are right now, we don't have the resources and manpower to fight Black Tusk, especially with Hunters embedded in the Division

Keener and his rogues may be the key to stopping our enemy, but I'd bet working with him wouldn't be easy

[gaunt ice]

he manipulated the laws of time so that you can canonically kill the hyena council again despite them being dead 2 months ago

[round flare]

Hear me out - unpopular opinion

I can somehow sympathize with the Outcasts , and with Shaw out of the picture

These poor shmucks have been done dirty back and center, wouldnt it be kinda intelligent to try to make some diplomatics with the Outcasts?
They were average john does just trying to survive

And i bet that the Outcasts would have some very sneaky and nice intel

Keener and the Rogue Division with ANNA would be a valuable asset , the thing is - how we would manage to get em back in line

For me its - Division doing public , and the Rogues doing wet work

still shady , but Keener has proven what hes capable of

Thing is - it would be a hard task to get ellis to justice
Ellis really caused a fustercluck beyond reason , and i take it personal

It was our job to get the city back in functional state , and this damn MFer waltzed back in with a shady equipped morally dubious PMC

I swear to God almighty , on the Bible itself - i wanna put a bullet in his head

[sick lantern]

uhh...

i've got some news for you

[round flare]

Shoot fellow agent

[sick lantern]

ellis is dead

[round flare]

Which damn SOB took this kill from me

[sick lantern]

Faye Lau...

[round flare]

And now im still confused but ok

Seems that the only thing i can do is decimate BTSU

wherever i can

Honestly i have some grudges against some sides - True sons , BTSU

[round flare]

Damn i forgot that

OK - Then i wanna just utterly slaughter BTSU and everyone there in the Command chain

Lemme shoot Sokolova and end this for good
Odessa and hayes really try their best that Washington can go back to civility

atm its just wild west in modern times

[wicked gorge]

Would be ashamed if the division got ahold of a nuke silo, terrible shame

[sleek plover]

Brother.

Such a glorious sight to see a fellow kindred spirit here.

The authoritatians has no place in America, no placr anywhere

[sudden mortar]

If the agents can use a sci-fi simulation with holograms in descent, I wonder if this technology can be modified to be used like a shooting range where you can spawn different enemies classes from different factions. I know the devs wouldn't go that far but I can dream at least.

[glad spruce]

If you guys are interested, NGN had uploaded a video where he shows 51 of 72 Descent comms in chronological order. At least, the way he sees them in chronological order

[true fox]

it was really cool,
I need to get the rest of the audios,
Clear this doubt, are Descida projects always active? Or will this all end one day?

[glad spruce]

Do you mean Descent projects?

Those are weekly.

[true fox]

That's it, sorry for the confusion
his projects

I wanted to know if they will always stay or will they take it off someday?

the second option is absurd I know...

[glad spruce]

I think they're gonna stay, though we may reach a point where they'll collect the comms on a daily basis rather than weekly

[true fox]

I believe that too, thank you

It looks like The Division Resurgence is due out on December 27th of this year

About him, I have another question...
Would it be allowed to play on an Android emulator on PC?

YannickBCH is online, can I ask him?... rsrsrs😅

[glad spruce]

You're not allowed to ping devs in this server as per the rules

[kind hare]

That should be a general rule across all social media 😅

[glad spruce]

True 😄

[kind hare]

In saying that, I'm 100% guilty of it too 😊

[true fox]

😅 OK, I understood

[round flare]

Yo Hawkster , do i unlock the Castle settlement by finishing WONY?

Im close to the bossfight

[glad spruce]

I'm not sure. I think its unlocked by the time you get to level 40.

But I do recommend finishing WONY, at the very least

[round flare]

im at LVL 40 , could also spent my few extra SHD levels i got so far

but the Castle is still grey

[hardy oar]

IIRC you need to play the WHOLE Mari Singh and Recruiter Manhunt to rebuild the Castle Settlement

[hardy oar]

⬆️

[round flare]

Somehow it unlocked without it

Like i went into the actual season and POOF it was there

without any stuff to do

[glad spruce]

Either way, I'm glad you managed to unlock the Castle Settlement.

I would also recommend doing the Legacy Manhunt missions. I still lament the fact that we can't fully replay them by doing sub-targets and all, but eh, what can ya do?

[round flare]

its very handy and very pretty - probs my fav spot

[fast wharf]

How scary honestly would be if the white tusk became canon

[wicked gorge]

I mean technically they are cannon

They’re just elite elite btsu

[fast wharf]

I don't think they're canon

[fast wharf]

I mean they'd solo 80% of Washington

[glad spruce]

Personally, I consider White Tusk non-canon like with Legendary LMB in Div 1

[glad spruce]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Black Tusk had President Mendez killed because he was an obstacle to install Ellis as their puppet president, correct?

[true fox]

I believe this 100%

[true fox]

I really wish this was possible,
I even had ideas for that, you know.

I don't understand why this isn't possible yet, maybe it's time to program this for the game permanently with less risk of problems in the code.

I wanted to ask someone on the current The Division 2 team about this.

If anyone can ask this question to any of them...
look for an answer to this.
Why don't we have sub-targets, it doesn't make sense to just focus on the final mission, the process leading up to it also has a script and will be thrown away like that?

[sudden mortar]

I think they are canon but not in the way as we see like hundreds of elite soldiers in legendary missions. iirc "cursed" had a white armor on the reign of fire manhunt, just like "thunder strike" on Kelso manhunt mission.
So I assume they're part of that white tusk team

[tepid ibex]

Boyo I can't wait for the LMB apparel in the Apparel Event tomorrow

[glad spruce]

Don't you mean Operation Crossroads novels apparel? 😛

[glad spruce]

I do like the music for the Castle Settlement, ngl.

[wicked gorge]

Castle theme hits harder than a mortar round to Johnson’s face

[glad spruce]

New week, new Descent comm. This one is titled Chicago.

||Agent Melanie Hoskins gives an update to Keener regarding the state of things in Chicago. She tells them that trucks are coming in and out of the city for supply drops, though its not CERA, mentioning the people supplying them are wearing biker gear||

[wicked gorge]

Aint the biker guys from resurgence

[glad spruce]

There's only one faction I can think of that wear biker gear and that's the Roamers

[sick lantern]

i can only presume she said "Biker" because of like mad max type leather jackets and bandanas and stuff and didn't think in the moment to call them truck drivers... even though she would presumably see them driving lorries into the city...?

nitpicking lol but slightly weird wording there

unless, ofc, they actually ARE bikers and the f_cking Skulls MC is about to become relevant lmao

[cold bramble]

What’s the timeline of this comm?

[glad spruce]

No idea, but its definitely set after Hearts on Fire audiobook

[glad spruce]

It's been a while since I've read the novels, but did we get a description of what gear the Freighteis and Roamers wear?

[wicked gorge]

Only thing I can think of is flannels, hats, t shirts, etc just basic trucker stuff

[mint citrus]

Roamers have the more Mad Max kinda stuff

[wicked gorge]

Truck go boom?

[glad spruce]

Yes, Phoenix. Truck go boom

[glad spruce]

I calculated how many Descent comms we'll have by the time we get to the final trial and Manhunt finale, and its 65/72. So, unless we get batches of Descent comms by the end of this season like we had with last season, my bet is that next season will start in late October

[wicked gorge]

You think they’ll add more descent comns after we hit 72

[glad spruce]

It's possible.

[wicked gorge]

Has anyone played the viewpoint mission and question why there’s a scavenger in the air booth with sgt wade

[sudden mortar]

Maybe the true sons were helping the scavengers so they could ambush people more easily?

Like those arms deal between the Rikers and rioters in the div1. I mean, we are enemies but let's make a deal to help each other sometimes.

[wicked gorge]

I think it’s more of a miss coding cause I remember in the beta it was an actual true son

[fleet rover]

Assuming you've played both The Division and Division 2, how about we compare both of them?

Your NYC Agent VS your Wash. D.C. Agent

Who would win?

[wicked gorge]

Depends what’s their loadout and should we account for stuff like the links and specialization

[fast wharf]

I'd say NYC

Div 1 dz combat is busted as hell

One single tap on the Washington agent would kill him

While the NYC can tank a lot

Basically fart on your Washington agent and he dies, but throwing your NYC agent out of a damn building would just make cuddles on damage

[sick lantern]

div 1 agents canonically had access to much more advanced nanotechnology, microservos, ISAC systems, whatever
as demonstrated by the skills and certain gear sets’ flavour text

[fast wharf]

I bet that 90% of a body from someone who uses healing items or reviving items on both division are only nanobots

[glad spruce]

At the end of the day, X vs Y stuff are simply a waste of time

[sick lantern]

as long as we don’t get in to full on powerscaling

[true fox]

Is the Descent underground structure really in DC?
because on the map in DC, there is Descent there from Uzina and it is 328 and something kilometers away, similar to the New York DLC

[glad spruce]

Yes. Descent facility is underground of D.C. Whole reason it was built there is to keep it away from prying eyes

The map node is simply there for people who just wanna go immediately to the game mode rather than fast travel to Castle or go east of the White House to enter

[glad spruce]

Y'know, I just realized something. The death quote from Sparkle (the flamethrower warhound from Stovepipe Manhunt finale) is the first mention we have of Claire Ortiz.

[true fox]

Right, thanks

[true fox]

they are alive and they are following everything

[glad spruce]

Assuming they're still alive

[wicked gorge]

Don’t tell NGN they made sparkles, he’ll definitely kill them

[marble dawn]

What death quote? All I hear in videos is Wally saying white house is under attack

[glad spruce]

When you get killed by an enemy, you can inspect them, giving you a quote about said enemy.

In the case of Sparkle, when you get killed by it, there's a quote when you inspect it, where Claire Ortiz talks about how the flamethrower Warhounds could be very helpful in controlling forest fires

[marble dawn]

Ohh right

Guess Conley's pestering got to her eventually 😆

[glad spruce]

That and the flame turret as well as the Exuro gear set

[fleet rover]

flamethrower warhounds... controlling forest fires? isnt it the other way around?

[glad spruce]

Yeah, I think it's forest maintenance.

https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Sparkle.

Here's the quote from Claire Ortiz about it.

[wicked gorge]

I wanna see sparkles utilized more

[glad spruce]

As long as they don't have overly high health like the first one.

[wicked gorge]

Considering that’s just a boss, I just wanna see more warhound variants

[glad spruce]

Maybe we'll get Warhounds that run at an enemy and explode lol

After all, Black Tusk still have The Strategist in their custody

[wicked gorge]

That’s a scary thought
, virus loaded suicide warhounds

[gaunt ice]

tbf i think its more about how Sparkles is too resistant to EMP

[gaunt ice]

too expensive

like if im a megalomaniac billionaire hellbent on world domination i’d want my stuff to last a bit longer than “hound, explode immediately”

[sleek plover]

Damn I hate LMB

[sleek plover]

and Dr. Seussesque narration goes "It all began when little Natalya Sokolova couldn't get a pony for her 7th birthday. Ever since than, she vowed to take over the world."

[ashen jungle]

Okay I know she's a villain and all, but let's tone down the sexism, yeah?

and by tone down, I of course mean "stop".

[glad spruce]

There are a number of reasons to dislike Sokolova. No need to make up one.

[tepid ibex]

Oh yeah ? Would I be making one up if I said she's a poopyhead?

[wicked gorge]

Nope too offensive, we’re cold, not heartless

[sudden mortar]

Speaking of which, doesn't black tusk have another CEO who speaks in some of the comms with Ellis and Schaeffer?

[wicked gorge]

I think that was when the team didn’t create sokolova

It was supposed to be more of a mystery

[sick lantern]

there's one guy in an ECHO set before the outbreak who represents the higher ups of the black tusk
i don't think he appears anywhere else

sokolova first appeared in season 3

[urban musk]

I just assumed he was one of the people who invested into Schaeffer's BTSU financially, or in some other way.

then when our agent started kicking the BTSU's asses, Schaeffer had to deal with more heat, specifically from the big boss, Natalya Sokolova.

[glad spruce]

I still get confused about the distinction between Black Tusk and BTSU.

Like, is the majority of Black Tusk we fight throughout the game called Black Tusk or BTSU? Or is BTSU refers to specialized units like with Schaeffer, Brenner, Wyvern, and Dolores Jones?

[sudden mortar]

I assume it's Schaffer's team since SU stands for Special Unit, like some kind of spec ops team.

[wicked gorge]

BTSU is black tusk specialist, they’re basically the best of the organization and put into the unit, think of them as the white tusk but they’re grounded

[glad spruce]

Fair enough

Y'know, whenever I replay Pathway Park mission, I can't help but notice that Kajika screams at the top of his lungs whenever he throws his shock trap

[wicked gorge]

I loved going through that mission and finding the places he was stalking you, added some nice detail

And yes Electricity hurts

[urban musk]

he's just pissed off cause he couldn't kill every JTF Member with a shock trap.

[fast wharf]

Because he knows it's forgotten and trash yet still uses it

[cold bramble]

Think we’ll get any new skills in the future?

[sudden mortar]

He also learned teleportation too, in his boss fight it is funny how he comes down from a hole to a catwalk, and then he teleports to where he came from to come down (again) and face you with only a machete

[ashen jungle]

The devs have stated that they don't intend to add more until they've worked on the ones we have, we've taken that to mean re-balancing and such.

[cold bramble]

Ah fair enough

[ashen jungle]

Personally, I think that if we do get more, they'll come with the DLC that's early next year (as of right now), so fingers crossed!

[cold bramble]

That actually just reminded me of another question that for some reason have never thought to ask. Was Brooklyn affected by the hurricane that occurred before we go to New York in wony?

[sick lantern]

i am not a meteorologist but hurricanes are pretty big and it's only a few miles away so im gonna guess almost definitely yes

[ashen jungle]

I guess just google to see how far away Wall Street is from Brooklyn.
(5.4 miles, IIRC)

[cold bramble]

So theoretically we should see it in the dlc lol

[glad spruce]

Yeah, I've no doubt Brooklyn would be as affected by the hurricane.

I do wonder if Keener's settlement is in Brooklyn Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the folks there see him as a hero.

[cold bramble]

Wait do the cleaners wear oxygen tanks or napalm filled tanks?

Like I'm sure the heavy cleaners wear both but the regular guys?

Like I would say they're wearing napalm tanks but they're constantly in contaminated areas, I'm sure their filters won't last forever

[gaunt ice]

last i check shooting an oxi tank would not result in them violently exploding in a burst of flames

[wicked gorge]

Napalm or some kind of flammable thing, oxygen isn’t flammable unless you add a fuel to it

[ashen jungle]

Clearly you've never seen the documentary "Jaws".

[gaunt ice]

“documentary”

[wicked gorge]

Have yall watched the sequel documentaries ?

[glad spruce]

Shot in the dark, but anyone has a screenshot of Mitchell Billings's bio from the Manhunt menu during Year 5 Season 1? I'm gonna need it to work on his wiki page

[wicked gorge]

Cant you just replay the manhunt again and get it?

[glad spruce]

I did replay the manhunt a while back. It only gives the climax mission and nothing else.

[wicked gorge]

Damn, I thought you could review all the targets bios and mini missions

Have you tried googling it?

[glad spruce]

Not yet, but I'll try

[glad spruce]

Nah. Legacy Manhunts are basically playing the climax mission and that's it.

[glad spruce]

I did find the bio from a random Youtuber.

[sudden mortar]

I hate the fact that all the information we have on lore, factions and characters isn't added to the database tab on progression menu since WONY release.

at least the players that couldn't play previously manhunts, now can have the collectibles from the manhunt by killing nameds on the main mission.

[wicked gorge]

You would think but in reality YouTube is our database

[glad spruce]

I'd be more accepting of Legacy Manhunts being only the Climax mission if they add some of the lore from previous seasons into the database.

[glad spruce]

Another Tuesday. Another Descent Comm. This one is titled Warzone.

||In this comm, Agent Melanie Hoskins reports to Keener that the small town she's in is a warzone. Keener calls it "pictureesque [redacted]". Hoskins wonders where the fuck is the Division to maintain order, though Keener tells her focus on her mission: Intercept one of Cal's Hunters. And advises her to be on alert and expect contact once she's on the installation||

[sudden mortar]

I think that's the first time we heard a comm that was edited with this ||[redacted]|| audio.

I got a theory that either Keener knew we were "practicing" on descent and he edited the data that is dropped by the nemesis. Or Cal (who also has access to ANNA) is monitoring Keener's communications, but it's just my theory.

[glad spruce]

I'm interested in the installation that Hoskins is intercepting.

I do recall in one of Vikram's comms from Y5S2, he got a request from Cal about building secret bunkers with custom-built autonomous power systems.

Makes me think what's the nature of the installation that Hoskins is investigating.

[sick lantern]

quite frankly imo this sounds like it was supposed to be a tie in to Heartlands

not necessarily but maybe

[glad spruce]

They're being vague about the location of the installation, so I'm not sure if this is supposed to be a tie in to Heartlands

[cold bramble]

Are we on the last decent comm this week?

[glad spruce]

No.

It's 56 of 72.

We still have several more weeks till the last Descent comm

[wicked gorge]

That’s 16 more weeks of content! You know until the next 48 logs get added

[glad spruce]

I have no doubt there'll be more in the next season.

[wicked gorge]

Oh definitely

I can’t wait to hear how Claire has been secretly helping Keener

[glad spruce]

I took a milisecond peek at some of the locked Descent comms. But I'd rather not talk about em here.

As for Claire, who really knows. Maybe Keener got into contact with her and convinced her to help him.

[wicked gorge]

Wouldn’t be surprised, since Claire dislikes Nat

But thats just a theory

[glad spruce]

A game theory

[wicked gorge]

Thanks for watching

[balmy panther]

So whats the nost popular theory about whats gonna happen?

To be entirely honest I want a chance to go rogue

Some players are some players arent, it would add a cool level of pvp

Maybe make pvp a viable choice ever

[glad spruce]

My personal theory is that by the time we finish our 4 trials, we really learn how far down the rabbit hole goes between the Division and its enemies.

By that point, we'd meet up with Keener and decide to ally with him. We get marked as Rogue and any "official" SHD hub like the White House will be restricted. And instead of Rogue Agent encounters in PvE, we get SHD Agent encounters.

I don't know if our allies in the Castle, Theater, and Campus are gonna get involved, but I doubt at least the Castle Settlement aren't aware of Keener

[urban musk]

hunter encounters would make more sense, but probably won't happen.

[wicked gorge]

On July 4th, 2017, the Black Tusk invaded the nation’s capital and tried to steamroll us

[urban musk]

happy anniversary of the BTSU ruining the restoration of Washington D.C.

[ashen jungle]

@sleek plover Ahem.

[glad spruce]

Only five more days till Hercules trial

[cold bramble]

Feels like it’s going fast

How long is this season btw?

[ashen jungle]

It ends in September, then the next one ends around the end of the year.

so about 3 months-ish.

[cold bramble]

Is that the one that sets up the dlc or is there another one after?

[ashen jungle]

DLC (2025) is releasing in the 3rd one, next one is the Seasonal Characters one.
although I assume that the idea is going to tie in to the Season in some way as well.

[cold bramble]

Thank you

[lavish galleon]

what’s the universe explanation to how hotshot works

[sick lantern]

no flavour text means there is none

[lavish galleon]

i miss when gear sets had some like explanation like td1

[cursive tapir]

Do we think that the “small town vacation” Keener and Hoskins went on was in Silver Creek?

I imagine they would’ve recorded a lot of this dialogue before Heartland was cancelled, so we’ll probably be seeing lore threads cropping up there

Maybe the devs redacted the town name so they can relocate that plot point from Silver Creek to elsewhere later

[glad spruce]

It's a likely possibility

Ngl, feels weird a fictional rural town was a setting for Heartland

[sudden mortar]

I don't think so, like, they did the same with far cry 5 and the rural map there was great.

It's a shame that it got cancelled, I think it would be cool to see the autumn season.

[waxen sonnet]

Its not a rough idea, when you look at survival stuff, how many times does an outbreak or disaster in a major metropolitan area have folks flee the city's to quieter area's of the country, at the same Pre-outbreak, the premise of building something valuable where only a few locals are gonna see and ask questions is much easier than burying something under say, centeral Manhattan

[glad spruce]

Fair enough. If Cal wanted to build a base for his Hunters, what better place than near a small town established by survivors of the outbreak?

[waxen sonnet]

Not even that, if he chose a rural location well enough, say he picks somewhere in a farming region, he's got already established an area he can acquire fresh food from, Potentially large water and seed stores there too etc.

Offer some Hunters (Under the premise they're SHD Agents) "Protecting" the farm in return for some of the food, and he's got it all set up

Massive hypotheticals mind

[glad spruce]

True

After all, logistics is the cornerstone of keeping your soldiers happy and well maintained

[glad spruce]

The more I think about it, the more I believe the redacted small town that Keener refers in Descent comms is Silver Creek

[waxen sonnet]

Depends how long ago this was all recorded, if it was Pre-heartland cancellation its more than likely.

They've already shown they like to do tie-in's with Operation Crossroads.

[glad spruce]

Given the cancellation was recent, I'd have no doubt the Descent comms this season was recorded before that.

[waxen sonnet]

Most likely, did they say again which location it was, like state?

[glad spruce]

Not really. Only that they said it was set in the American Heartland. Basically, Midwestern US

[sick lantern]

from the trailer you can sort of see

cus the route highlights boston and two or three cities going west and then ends a bit more west

something like that

[floral gull]

did Katie Sackoff voiced those descent comms?

[glad spruce]

No idea as I haven't listened to Hearts on Fire audiobook yet.

But I doubt Massive could hire her just to voice audio logs.

[urban musk]

We have an honor guard uniform in the store, so does anyone think there's still any honor guards guarding the tomb of the unknown soldier in the division universe?

Or do you think there's volunteers doing it now?

[glad spruce]

Doubt it. They'd be too busy trying to survive

[wicked gorge]

I would love the idea that even during the green poison epidemic, the tomb of the unknown soldier is still being patrolled by honor guards

[ashen jungle]

Considering there are chainsaw weilding maniacs and people in bomb vests running around, something tells me standing around an empty monument is not exactly high priority.

[waxen sonnet]

Doesn't sound entirely like her from how I Recall her voice, sounds more like whoever voices Cindy??

[floral gull]

hmm yeah

[next hemlock]

I think katie was in a division book forgot what the name was

[glad spruce]

Katie?

[next hemlock]

Katie Sackhoff, might’ve played bo-katan on the mandalorian

[glad spruce]

Yeah, she voiced Melanie Hoskins in Hearts on Fire audiobook

[next hemlock]

Ah ok

[true fox]

@glad spruce, I need a favor from you, I wanted to know where to find information that is not very brief about the story of The Division Hearts on Fire.

[glad spruce]

You can find information about the story on Melanie Hoskins page in the wiki

[glad spruce]

Just a reminder that tomorrow's the second trial for the Manhuntl: Hercules

[sudden mortar]

Wonder which faction it will be, probably true sons or outcasts.

It's interesting that each trial watch is red and clean like echo but when we completed it, it became orange and with the hyena green paint.

[wicked gorge]

Think of it as us cleansing the world

[sudden mortar]

Or only the US, never heard of the division operating outside of the united states on any game or book.

[glad spruce]

Because they only operate in the US

[near totem]

Do you think there is a whole squad of agents in alaska?

Or hawaii

[wicked gorge]

Hawaii most likely, Alaska probably wont have any agents

[nocturne arrow]

I'd say that they would, given that it's at a border, or at least would serve as a reserve for other Agents.

There are also key military installations that would need to be secured over there.

Such as the Clear Space Force Station, Fort Greely, and Elmendorf AFB. Not places you want to lose control of, even in a mass casualty crisis.

[glad spruce]

I do recall the very first Descent comms mentions backup servers for ISAC settled in bunkers around North Dakota and Alaska

[ashen jungle]

I do wonder why they'd bother sending Agents to anywhere that isn't the main cities, since the whole point of them was to help continuity of government.

[glad spruce]

Main cities aren't the only places that would suffer from the crisis, so I'd reckon some agents would be sent to small towns as well

[ashen jungle]

They do not actually care about helping out in the crisis, Agents aren't disaster relief, it's all about continuity of the federal government.

New York makes sense since that's the source of the problem, DC since the officials are (were) all there, anywhere else is a bit tricky to justify though.

[sick lantern]

why wouldn’t they?

[wicked gorge]

Alaska is far from the actual United States, if they’re were agent cells in Alaska when green poison hit then yeah, they would be there, but I doubt the division would stretch itself to Alaska

From what we’ve seen, the division is stretched to its limit in just the United States alone

[sick lantern]

…of which Alaska is a part

[spare arrow]

alaska is still homeland, it is part of the US
i cant imagine there would be a lot of agents stationed there, but saying "alaska has no agents" would just not make sense, especially given that alaska is so far comparatively to the rest of the US, alaska and hawaii def have agents- as they are homeland

[sleek plover]

They gonna have really interesting enemy factions.

[near totem]

Or they live in peace

[glad spruce]

Well, time to venture the Hercules trial

[sleek plover]

Semi-OOT, but Like a Dragon franchise would prove otherwise

[sudden mortar]

Just finished the Hercules trial, the comms aren't what we already don't know, Kenner is making a plan to stop nat and cal with information provided by bridgette and he is still trying to convince hoskins to work with him.

[glad spruce]

Yeah. Then again, Mack's refusal to join Black Tusk basically put her on Nat's hitlist, which gives a bit more motivation to her involvement in the attack on Meret Estate

And the whole reason Bridgette stayed in Black Tusk despite wanting to be off Nat's leash is to ensure Lau succeeds her part of the mission.

Well, NGN's hypothesis on his first segment of this season about our codenames named after the trials was proven correct, after all

I was amused that Keener invested his Division bonus on alimony with his second ex-wife and crypto while Hoskins invested her bonus on a farm and shelter for her family.

[sudden mortar]

I think that irl, the division bonus would be the main reason people would join the division

[glad spruce]

Yep. If I got a bonus, I'd invest into collection of novels and comic books.

[sudden mortar]

I would do what hoskins did, as someone who lives in a big city, if an artificial virus starts killing everyone with no chance of cure, disappears and makes a new life on a farm would be the best bet.

And a bunker below it just in case of nuclear war

[gaunt ice]

kinda fucked up that you send a hit team on your friend because they didn't want to join your club

[glad spruce]

That's Sokolova we're talking about. She doesn't tolerate any kind of disobedience

And besides, considering the Paradise Lost comms, they're not exactly besties

[glad spruce]

This week in Descent comms. Entry 57 titled Roster.

||Hoskins updates to Keener about her investigation in the unnamed base. She didn't find any opposition and found an ECHO reconstruction of a USB drive with a roster which she has in her possession. Also, ISAC sweeped a data for a team of four Division agents who were infected with Green Poison, though that wasn't what killed them. Apparently, the team went to a local lab to work on antivirals, but they scattered and died.||

||Apparently, Keener is well aware of the Descent comms being intercepted by NSA servers, since the name of the town is redacted a number of times, especially when he had Theo scrub the name from the servers. I'm 100% convinced the redacted is Silver Creek. And I 100% believe that despite Heartland's cancellation, the devs are trying to further develop the story in that region.||

[glad spruce]

Summary for Hercules trial (Target 2).

||It involves us fighting True Sons in Downtown East. After that's done with, Keener congratulates us and hopes that we begin to appreciate how far his Rogue Network goes and is waiting how we'll handle the next trial, Leto||

||But the most important parts are the comms. In his correspondence with Agent Melanie Hoskins, he reveals an audio log he got of Calvin McManus neglect towards Gordon Amherst as a way to convince her. Additionally, he checked up on her after she visited her family in her stable farm||

||And in his correspondence with Bridgette Douglas, it's revealed that Mackenzie Meret is under a death warrant from Natalya Sokolova due to Mack's refusal to join the Black Tusk. Furthermore, it's also revealed that Douglas has been trying to escape Nat's leash and the reason she stayed in Black Tusk is so she can ensure Cassandra (Faye Lau) would fulfill her mission||

[true fox]

Thanks Hawkster

[glad spruce]

You're welcome

If not for this channel, I would've left the server a long time ago

[cold bramble]

Same 😂 and in all honesty the only reason I still play the game is for the story haha

[wicked gorge]

We should elect keener as the president in the division universe, nothing bad could happen with that

[cold bramble]

So is silver creek likely to be next point of interest for us?

[wicked gorge]

Probably

[gaunt ice]

so whats the Hercules part

like i saw the NGN video and i was assuming it’d mimic the actual story

not just simply a fancy name

[sick lantern]

we’re Heracles cus we have to go through a bunch of stupid ordeals

[gaunt ice]

real

[sudden mortar]

I wonder where exactly the Brooklyn dlc will take place, my bet is that we are gonna fight black tusk on Brooklyn Navy Yard or a place that BT can take a part of the infrastructure. Just like the Tidal basin in Washington, they can establish a base there.

[sick lantern]

isn’t one of the found footage videos all the way back from launch, of the BT attacking a cargo port or something?
maybe we’ll see that place

[sudden mortar]

It's hard to know, games that make maps from the real world like the division or the last of us, not always have 100% match with the real place.

Besides, NYC has like two hundred piers, and that footage doesn't even confirm if it's NY, it only says that it is from outside of DC.

PS: never noticed that the BT guy on footage is Brenner, the guy we kill on pentagon.

[urban musk]

yep, the brooklyn police station in div 1 is not a real building. so can confirm not 100% accurate 😔

BUT it better be there in Div 2 Brooklyn DLC!

[lavish galleon]

hopefully they make a reference to the line

[glad spruce]

They got Alex?

[lavish galleon]

that and also the launch of the division 1, where people lined up at the shd base to continue playing

[glad spruce]

It's based on the 12 trials of Hercules that he had to go through to redeem himself and be put on the pantheon of the gods.

At least that's how the Greek mythology goes

After all, the trials take inspiration from the mythology, including the bounty target names.

[sudden mortar]

So the god is Keener and we need to redeem ourselves after we killed Jupiter and Hornet rogue squads and viper

And also almost killing Keener too

[glad spruce]

Seems like it.

There's still the Leto and Nyx trials. No doubt we'll be called by those names while we go through them

[sick lantern]

it doesn’t say it isn’t either. new york is one of the few places BT are definitively confirmed active so maybe it is. idk i was just proposing that it might be cool to have the call back

[foggy matrix]

Did they straight up remove the old Division One chat?

[ashen jungle]

This channel is for discussing lore and such.
but as per #discord-news, you'll need to pick the id:customize again due to recent changes.

[languid sentinel]

soooo after finally catching up with the story, im starting to reallyyyy hate manny

[glad spruce]

Ehh, I dunno. The guy's under immense pressure between being Division Coordinator and being a JTF leader

Honestly, with some of the civilians (Actually, it was just Mel Arnold) we rescued, they seemed rather ungrateful

[sudden mortar]

And soon be a dad

[cold bramble]

Is this channel for Div 1 as well as Div 2?

[patent narwhal]

everything story related to div so both

[glad spruce]

And the novels

[cold bramble]

K thanks

Well whatya know

[sleek plover]

I think it is supposed to be a plot device to put the players in rogue agents' shoes

[sick lantern]

oof argh someone was a bit rude to me time for bioweapons

[ashen jungle]

The fact that a comm during "Hercules" mentions that Keener invested in crypto, has me so very vindicated with my assumptions.

[glad spruce]

And what assumptions are those?

[glad spruce]

You know, if the civvies I saved from Black Tusk act ungrateful about their rescue, I could always leave them to their fate and go rogue too

[ashen jungle]

That he's the kind of guy who buys crypto.

[glad spruce]

Right

[wicked gorge]

Oh no, would be ashamed if i redirect you to a outcast safe house

[glad spruce]

I said if. I'm not gonna leave em to die, obviously lol

[wicked gorge]

They said a mean insult to me or didn’t say thank, that seems fairly justified

[glad spruce]

Far as I know, Mel Arnold was the only civillian who was an a-hole before and during their rescue.

[wicked gorge]

Well Cindy was a smartass so do we count that

[ashen jungle]

The civvies during the Zoo Manhunt that ran away on the BT chopper probably count for that list.

[glad spruce]

Considering they bought into Black Tusk's propaganda, I don't know if I'd put them on the list.

Misguided, most definitely

[ashen jungle]

The list of "civvies that hate you for no well explained lore reason but it's kinda in the background, it'll probably be filled in later, don't worry about it".
It's not that catchy, I admit.

[wicked gorge]

That’s sounds like a cult recruiting someone who’s emotionally and physically broken and looking for a purpose, not all bt are bad guys, it’s just good soldiers follow orders

[glad spruce]

I'd count them as "Civvies who hate the Division because they were ''rescued'' by Black Tusk before the Division did"

[wicked gorge]

To be fair, the black tusk seems a lot better than the division right now

[ashen jungle]

In what way?

[wicked gorge]

Good question Rivnes, I’ll tell you when I figure it out

[glad spruce]

Just a disclaimer that I don't condone the Black Tusk.

For one, Black Tusk has plenty of resources and infrastructure to keep plenty of civilian communities sustained and happy.

In fact, I'd bet that some civvies don't wanna live in the post-Green Poison world and would give anything to return to the life before the crisis. And if Black Tusk can provide that for them, all the better in their eyes.

[wicked gorge]

People want safety over anything else, even if it means they give ip their rights and freedoms

Also didnt the black tusk frame the division for the assassination of POTUS? Ik the black tusk didn’t know Faye did it but was it ever spread outta white oak?

[glad spruce]

I don't know. But I'm pretty sure by the current timeline, Nat would learn that it was Faye who killed Ellis from an ECHO considering that Hunters use SHD Tech.

Of course, that's assuming Faye did not encrypt her ECHO as insurance policy

[sick lantern]

Faye killed Ellis and “framed the Division” for it whatever that means because it hasn’t been mentioned since

[glad spruce]

So Faye's trail doesn't come to her.

[sick lantern]

has Ellis even been mentioned since the memoirs

[wicked gorge]

Well they’ve seemed to have multiple settlements that have sufficient food, water, and electricity. They have the resources to establish clinics to aid people and provide medical care for pregnant women. Most seem to ensure the safety of the civis in their care. Most of the black tusk probably isnt bad, they’re just trying to protect civilians. We know the black tusk is bad but im the eyes of others, they’re probably the only ones who actually came to help them when the division abandoned them

[sick lantern]

trying to protect the civilians, from the viral outbreak they had a hand in starting

[wicked gorge]

Did black tusk have a hand in the outbreak? I dont remember if they did or not

[glad spruce]

Yeah, and given how Manny reacted throughout Y5S1, there's a reason why he was tempted to give up the White House.

He was expecting Black Tusk to treat the civilians cruelly

[sick lantern]

McManus did and he’s working with Sokolova

[glad spruce]

As far as the civilians are concerned, Gordon Amherst caused the outbreak so its not like they'd know of Black Tusk nor of Cal's involvement

[sick lantern]

I know but with what we know from the fourth wall is what I mean

[wicked gorge]

That was McManus, it doesn’t matter if he’s working with Sokolova cause there’s a chance she doesn’t know about him ignoring it

Unless he did, ive been busy and haven’t kept up with the story

[glad spruce]

We know from the Descent comms that Cal continually ignored Amherst as a threat. Whether out of incompetence or he saw the Green Poison outbreak as means to power is unknown yet

100 dollars says its the latter

[wicked gorge]

Double or nothing, I’ll give you my 200 monopoly dollars after passing go if it’s not

But has McManus told Sokolova that he knew about Amherst

[sick lantern]

Warren Merchant was under threat not to whistleblow which implies malice

[glad spruce]

Then my assumption might be correct

[wicked gorge]

Im kinda sad we haven’t seen any black tusk defectors or heard stories of them

[glad spruce]

If there are any, I'd imagine they removed any comms equipment to avoid detection.

[sick lantern]

we know of one and we've been waiting for him to wake up from a coma since 2020

[sudden mortar]

except for stovepipe and it didn't end well for him.

[wicked gorge]

Stovepipe didn’t necessarily deflect, he wanted to resign to a different unit and Nat didn’t like that

[sudden mortar]

idk if it would work, I mean if ISAC can acess sattlelite footage and "tag" people (like that footage of a settlement being attacked by BT) and the hunters have acess to ISAC, technally there is not much way to hide from a pmc like black tusk, specially now that they have the hunters at their disposal.

[wicked gorge]

It’s possible but more difficult and there’s also the possibility that there’s a lot ready to defect but don’t have anywhere to go

[sudden mortar]

yeah, specially after that sh!tshow with captain Lewis allies (True sons that were against Anderson) on the power plant.

[languid sentinel]

who was “bridge” that keener referenced in the ending of the first weeks manhunt?

[sudden mortar]

You mean bridgette? She was "Viper" an unactivated division agent and an undercover hunter working as a black tusk operative and as an informant for Keener.

[languid sentinel]

ohhhh thats who he was referencing

i figured it was viper with how much she popped up in the previous comms

[glad spruce]

From what we've learned from last season and this season, she had second thoughts working in Black Tusk and decided to help Keener and Lau undercover.

Why, we don't know. But I bet 10 dollars it was because she learned about Sokolova's intentions

Doesn't help that joining Black Tusk soured her friendship with Mackenzie Meret

[wicked gorge]

I thought she was on keeners side before she even join the private ducks

[glad spruce]

Her bio established that she immediately joined Black Tusk during the outbreak

And in one comm from Y5S3, she tried to convince Mackenzie to join Black Tusk, only for Mack to repeatedly refuse

[sudden mortar]

This makes me wonder why nat wanted to kill her brother

[glad spruce]

I do recall one of Ellis lost memoirs has him musing that the only two things standing in Nat's plans for world domination is her brother and having control of the nuclear arsenal

[wicked gorge]

Strip what makes you human to do what’s more necessary in your eyes

[sick lantern]

he was a 1% shareholder 😔

[sick lantern]

we know that the black tusk were ready, in advance before the outbreak, to make the moves to benefit from it (Base game ECHO+ TWOTD lore book), which implies McManus told Sokolova or some other evil shenanigans

remember the BT’s plan wasn’t to neuter the outbreak and save as many people as possible, their plan was to wait 7 months and then start making power grabs.

[glad spruce]

Isn't it heavily implied that BT also sent some troops to NYC kill Bill Kelleher because he was researching for a cure/vaccine for Green Poison?

[sick lantern]

they were vague men in black, considering Merchant’s ties to the NSA I’m more inclined to think they were sent by McManus
we don’t officially exactly know who they were but they are an at least tenuous link to the BT. we’ll likely never know cus I don’t think Ubi/Msv really care about integrating the plot of NYCollapse/Broken Dawn anymore lol

weirdly mcmanus having sent them, maybe off duty Hunters lmao, might’ve sort of made sense at the time as NYCollapse was foreshadowing “divisions within the division”

like it has horseshoe’d back around to sort of making sense

as otherwise NYCollapse talking about some sort of malicious intent behind the SHD, could only have been referring to rogue agents? which didn’t really make sense even at the time

[sick lantern]

as in it would be better if like, at any other point, the Hunters’ connection to the DHS/NSA had been foreshadowed again
instead we just sort of got it dropped on us unceremoniously

and NYCollapse is left as a weird artifact of the era

[glad spruce]

Okay

[sick lantern]

Broken Dawn contradicts launch era Div 2 so maybe it’s just not even canon

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gaunt ice]

it wouldn't make sense for mcmanus to not want the cure especially after the outbreak went big,yes?

say im some random dude and my loved one has the money flu,would i side with the JTF that is so incompetent they cant even hold the white house,or the highly equipped black tusk with settlements in place and also a cure/vaccine\

[glad spruce]

Considering he neglected to handle Amherst before the outbreak, there's a huge possibility.

And just like him and of his surviving colleagues, he would use the cure to take all the credit

[gaunt ice]

dont gimme the "erm they're the bad guy" the other option is die lmao

[gaunt ice]

well yea the latter is my point

he would want to cure to hold power over everyone

"hey guys i have the cure just side with me"

he's still a villain but what other choices do the average chump has

[glad spruce]

Maybe if I were desperate, sure.

But I don't see how siding with them and being told what to do would benefit me

[gaunt ice]

how would siding with the JTF benefit you rn

they can barely keep themselves together

bt took like a week max to set up a setttlement at manning zoo

their manpower is massive

and sure they are doing the PR thing but its definitely working

what settlements do the JTF maintain rn?
the university one and the rooftop ones are ran by militias and Castle is formed by ex true sons

the JTF did jackshit

we look away for like a couple hours max and they nearly took le white house

im just really really pissed at how incompetent the jtf as a faction is

they still dont have bulletproof vests btw

just a guy with a golf club

even Haven is doing better rn

yall remember how the pentagon is just abandoned

like no one's even trying to occupy it

[sick lantern]

maybe the bt are storing the bioreactor there, again

if not there then tidal basin perhaps? xd

[glad spruce]

Tidal Basin is abandoned, so I doubt it.

[sick lantern]

I’m making a joke about the reusing missions

[sudden mortar]

One thing I never understood about that mission is like, on the Tidal basin we got three hovercrafts stationed there but we only captured one of them on the mission. Looks like BT just forgot about the other two hovercraft.

[gaunt ice]

there's 3?

or are you mistaking it with NYC

[wicked gorge]

Im pretty sure there’s 3 hovercraft’s at tidal basin

[waxen sonnet]

One at a distance as you enter, One out in the river a little distance away and Infamous Kamikaze victim hovercraft

Iirc

[true fox]

Could one of the names deleted by Theo be Silver Creek? Sorry, I haven't heard this audio yet

[glad spruce]

It's very possible that it's Silver Creek. Especially when a previous comm mention the small town being a warzone with no active Division operations.

[true fox]

I understand, thank you

[glad spruce]

Knowing how Descent comms delved into different topics in past seasons, I'd bet we'll get comms with different topics tomorrow and the next several weeks

[true fox]

Right,

Remember the possibility of the books being somewhere between the seasons?

I have no books, and I cannot try

[glad spruce]

Maybe

[sick lantern]

they are not

[true fox]

That's not cool at all.

Rsrsr

[glad spruce]

@sick lantern Y'know, I don't know why you bother going into this channel since you hate the Division's story so much

[sick lantern]

Because I have passion for a franchise I grew up with and got invested in

even if it continues to fail I still want to see what happens and think of how it could be improved

[glad spruce]

Uh-huh

[sick lantern]

and ofc, staying on board for the bits that are actually good (Operation: Crossroads, these days)

[glad spruce]

Mhmm

[sick lantern]

You know I think you were expecting me to say something along the lines of me enjoying flaming it or something.

[glad spruce]

Maybe, probably. But your reasons are at least sound\

[gaunt ice]

if theres someone complaining for the sake of complaining thats me

i just get unreasonably angry when i think about division and how ubisoft dropped the bag so hard

i cant even blame ubi for muh corpo this writing is just half ass af

[glad spruce]

Uh-huh

[gaunt ice]

uh huh

[glad spruce]

Good thing I don't give a crap what you think

[sick lantern]

you asked me what I think, so I guess I'm special?

[wicked gorge]

We’re all special in our unique way

[glad spruce]

Well, tomorrow's the 58th Descent comm, so I should get ready for it.

[true fox]

I just read about the three books on Wiki, and it's not possible that at some point it won't be part of the timeline, forgive my stubbornness, but I'll find a way to put them somewhere.

[sick lantern]

Recruited opens by saying it takes place a year after Div 1.

There’s then a six (iirc) month gap to Compromised and then another six to Hunted

[sick lantern]

that is to say, after the current date of Division 2’s events as per the Legacy Manhunt timeline in game

even though the references in the game to the events of Recruited, contradict this. Consistency!

[true fox]

but what a situation oh my god

[glad spruce]

Is it really that important to you?

[true fox]

After reading more about it, if it's important, I like to have a better overview of things, as well as being more pleasant to follow along.

[glad spruce]

Fair enough

[glad spruce]

This week in Descent, we get the 58th comm titled LINC.

||In this comm, a man named Kevin Park pitches an autonomous communications tool that allows access to all communication devices in the event of say like an EMP attack or a solar storm or someone attacks the system. Mathias 'Trig' Schneider mistakenly suggests Kevin to talk to Claire Ortiz. which made the conversation a bit awkward.||

||Either way, Trig finds Kevin's pitch as a good idea, but not new or anythngn special. However, Kevin Park believes if he could get the grant money, he could make work on the AI system for his tool. In that case, Trig suggests him to talk to redacted (Claire, obviously) and calls him a Hexagon.||

Side-note, Trig had a habit of learning a person's personality by asking them what's their favorite shape.

[strange rock]

What's with all the || Trig comms, did he also fake his death || 🙄

[glad spruce]

Hahaha, no. He was a DARPA consultant before he joined Black Tusk.

||I'd bet 10 dollars on Viper faking her death||

[glad spruce]

Given the topic discussed in the comm, I'm convinced it'll tie heavily with ANNA/ISAC

[sudden mortar]

||Trig: hey agent, I wasn't at that bounty||

[sick lantern]

cuz they made a bunch of vaguely interesting characters to serve as fodder to die in manhunts, and now they also need lore fodder

[sudden mortar]

||Maybe LINC is another AI focused on communications, like DIAMOND that is focused on BT guidance system. I would guess it's called like Linked Intelligent Networked Communications.||

[glad spruce]

Anyways, The Division games always made a habit of giving characters more development through audio logs even after their death

[sudden mortar]

Or maybe most of the characters they introduced were about to be developed on heartland after the Brooklyn DLC. I don't see any other reason to introduce new characters from nowhere like ||Kevin Park|| or putting a [redacted] every time they mention Silver Creek.

[glad spruce]

Maybe

But to me, it's clear Massive wants to continue Heartland's story in some form or another

[wicked gorge]

Thank you Hawkster for your hard dedication to the comns and fueling my reason to never touch descent again 😂

[fringe gale]

damn they are really tying Heartland into this now that it got cancelled

[sudden mortar]

I guess they already recorded the descent voice lines way before they cancelled heartland

[lavish galleon]

hopefully resurgence makes it through, unsure how they’ll tie that in though, it is the first wave so there’s a lot of ways to go about it

[languid sentinel]

at this point, you might not be wrong, especially with how much shes been popping up in comms this season

[strange rock]

I know but for all the new players what's the point, it's so weird to bring them back 🔙 instead of focusing on more recent characters
I can't imagine the story being THAT expansive in the Brooklyn dlc

[lavish galleon]

I am wondering, if first wave agents had access to signature weapons and skills, why did second wave agents get only signature skills?

[low reef]

Hello I want to ask that I don't have the dlc can I still have fun in game ? ( New York DLC )

[sick lantern]

…wut

i don’t think signature skills are even canon

and if you mean that they’re in Resurgence, the majority of Resurgence iirc takes place after Div 1

oh wait i misread sorry

[lavish galleon]

isn’t resurgence first wave?

[sick lantern]

You play as a first wave agent, who is for reasons as of yet unknown not rogue but was absent for the events of Div 1

as for why the SHD in different regions have access to different tech for no apparent reason. who really knows

[lavish galleon]

Well I was always under the assumption that signature weapons were made after TD1 lore wise, that’s why I was curious to know

because the guided launcher iirc is definitely after since its a prototype

[sick lantern]

Seven months of prototyping, in the midst of the end of the world as we know it

I’m fairly sure they all just existed before the outbreak

all known SHD tech did no?

stashed in bunkers and caches and whatnot

[sick lantern]

and then how it would be distributed

[lavish galleon]

Going off what the quartermaster said at least

[sick lantern]

the quartermaster who chats sh1t about the healing station right? I don’t trust a word from his mouth

or was that someone else

[glad spruce]

Tbh, my autistic ass can't stand over the idea of not having any comms collection fully completed, so there's that. 😛

[wicked gorge]

I only have 3 so I basically given up on it

[glad spruce]

I assume you're familiar with LINC?

[gaunt ice]

tbf would you trust healing clouds coming from what is essentially an oversized lunchbox

healer hives make more sense as the hive seems to shoot out painkillers

also 2 cents here but im assuming the specialist weapons didn’t show up in div1 being that the first wave took all of it

or the second wave just formed and didn’t have enough preparation

tac link is weird

(they should totally bring it back)

[worthy crypt]

What do yall think about division 3 ?

[trim narwhal]

Is there anything official apart from being announced?

[gaunt ice]

for what exactly

new lore drops like every week or 2 idk

"lore" as in a 2 minute audio log

on the game side they're working on an alternative for season 2.0

but you should probably ask that in #td2-general-chat

if you ask me i'd say thats a W and an L at the same time

[sick lantern]

he calls them freaky because whoever else was using them, even though they’re SHD tech also used by the SHD… sounds like treason to me

[gaunt ice]

wait i actually missed that part,the LMB lunchbox is their stuff or just borrowed from rogue agents

[sick lantern]

good question tbh

[glad spruce]

That game is too many years away, so I don't see the point in discussing it lore wise

[glad spruce]

First, get a role. Then ask in LFG. This is the lore channel btw

[sudden mortar]

Probably from rogues but I'm not sure. Because on the div1, a rogue agent and a LMB soldier using the SHD watch and brick are basically the same 3D character model, not even "hornet" or "scarecrow" have their watch red while we fight them.

[gaunt ice]

personally i think that its a mass produced thing

every LMB medic has one which shouldn't be possible if its SHD tech given that there shouldn't be that much around

[sudden mortar]

Yeah, it's very weird and this keeps going in the div2, I mean, I get it why BT have access to SHD tech because the SHD watches prototypes at the DARPA labs (and their alliance with Cal) but what about the named enemies from other factions having access to it.

I think it's just a level/gameplay design thing but it's still good to point it out.

[sick lantern]

uhh wut
LMB soldiers in div 1 don’t have watches?

afaik
i hope i would’ve noticed by now if they did lol

red bar LMB medics don’t even have health stations so maybe it’s not even canon that they have them

¯_(ツ)_/¯

every other piece of LMB tech has a distinct appearance to the SHD equivalent

[gaunt ice]

i mean why did you assume that LMB have watches to begin with

[ashen jungle]

Well everyone else was breaking into the DARPA labs, it turns out there's not so much a lock as there's a revolving door.

[glad spruce]

Everyone?

[sick lantern]

idk what that guy is talking about

rogue agents look like lmb soldiers? not really the silhouette is distinct

[sudden mortar]

I was just saying that maybe some of the "agents" that were working with LMB aren't agents but they are LMB soldiers just using SHD tech.

[sick lantern]

i sincerely doubt that is the case