division-universe

[solemn sentinel]

oof

[glad spruce]

But no worries. Our first wave prodigal son will set things right /hj

[wicked gorge]

Chapter 1: how to disrupt society

[sick lantern]

some of them went missing so could still be alive and just AWOL

[ashen jungle]

I'm fairly sure that'd still be marked as Rogue.

[sick lantern]

normally i’m the one who would say something like that lol but yea

[remote tree]

How likely could it be that the dic1 agent answered the call in div2?

[glad spruce]

The status of our Div 1 agent is grey canon.

Which means you can headcanon your Div 2 agent as the same agent from Div 1

[sick lantern]

wony and etc dont act like it's the div 1 character, feel free to headcanon it as such though

[remote tree]

Of course

[wicked gorge]

What was the society called the outcast had? I know they worshipped a owl

[sick lantern]

Morovian Society
it's just an easter egg

[wicked gorge]

Maybe they’re the real ones behind McManus’s plan

[sick lantern]

there absolutely does not need to be a fourth layer of deception and BS to the conspiracy, especially such a cliche illuminati group

am i the only one who is just fed up and bored of secret societies manipulating everything? it's such an overdone plot

when payday 2 has done it, that's when you know it's low hanging fruit lol

the worst parts of re6 involved one too

[wicked gorge]

I haven’t played re6 and never plan to, but I agree with you. Too many games rely on it

But if they actually planned out that and no ever expected it, that would be hilarious

Hell I believe there’s a bigger group than the black tusk out there

[steep flame]

Plots being "overdone" Don't really matter. It's more the execution of it more than anything.

[glad spruce]

^

Ever wonder why there's so many story plots about government being corrupt? Cuz they actually are 😛

[wicked gorge]

This chat is for us to make conspiracies about governments in games , real life governments is sad 😦

[unique spruce]

While we're talking about low hanging fruit...

What is it with Ubisoft and "evil high tech PMC with drones"

Division, watch_dogs, ac, Breakpoint...

[wicked gorge]

Technology is the future of warfare, drones, warhounds, etc. Somewhat realistic, but I understand where your coming from

The PMCs in the Division actually make sense, but Breakpoints pmcs is “oh I’m a mean person, imma instate martial law and kill ppl” I haven’t looked into legion but I know many ppl say the game is bad and a pmc maintaining law in a city is heavily unlikely

Plus pmcs are easy bad guys to use

[sick lantern]

that's the real answer lol
the age of Modern Warfare with russian and arab baddies ended, but games still needed easy militarised enemies

[sick lantern]

the two I mentioned, were also quite poorly executed lmao

[wicked gorge]

Theoretically, Black Tusk can have gunships in their toy box, but we wont ever see them in game

That makes me angry

[cyan haven]

Nat pulls a shadow company and rains fire on the White House from an AC-130

[wicked gorge]

That’s technically legal

Well legal for them to own a Ac130 and if McManus is the next in line for presidency then it’s possible

[marsh sundial]

Let's be honest, we're at the point where the proper right of power doesn't really matter. Kick enough butt and save everyone

[gaunt ice]

tbf mercs for hire and PMCs are more common nowadays

[sleek plover]

This is the true Black Tusks origin story btw.

[unique spruce]

I'll get her a pony.

And by pony, I mean hot .45 to the dome.

[wicked gorge]

Nah give her the pony

Thats secretly a undercover agent, Troy style

[frail pond]

It wouldn't be an AC-130, it would probably be something like their C-17s (also, why on Earth do Black Tusk C-17s can have their mid section be detachable like the one in Dark Hours) dropping cruise missiles out the back

[solemn sentinel]

I wish we could get our own warhounds

😔

[sick lantern]

i don’t think dropping missiles from the cargo bay of a plane is a viable strategy

i’m not a military aviation expert but

[hallow topaz]

Or hack them in combat.
I made a suggestion for it on the official forum (that doesn't exist anymore).
Was about a Exotic (Keeners gloves/backpack) which let's you use Achilles Pulse to hack a enemy skill proxy (Support Station, Drone, Mobile Tank, Warhound. And the hive on a BTSU legendary Heavies back)

[gaunt ice]

wheres the black tusk apcs

even LMB got a bunch of APCs just lying around

[gaunt ice]

honestly marauders are probably more efficient than ac130

you need fuel,crew,and munitions for it

even if we ignore that they deliberately dont want to destroy the white house

marauders are more mobile,lighter and for what it does its cheaper than maintaining a gunship

sure its definitely more fragile than an ac130 but its very much spammable

its just plot BS that the drone operators suck at their job and always misses

[glad spruce]

If they were very effective, they'd be annoying fuckers.

And I'm pretty sure we don't need Recruiter/Stovepipe Final Manhunt mission 3.0

[gaunt ice]

in their defense even Keener managed to hack them at liberty

if it can be remotely controlled then it can be hacked

[frail pond]

The US Military actually have that IRL. Search "Rapid Dragon"

[sick lantern]

fair
but that’s an actual weapons system lol, not what “dropping cruise missiles out the back” brings to mind is all

[unique spruce]

Black Tusk weapons are all kindsa wacky. We need to get some heavy autonomous gear of our own. Preferably something with a 20/30mm autocannon.

And also remote mini attack heli.

[solemn sentinel]

and a wardog

[unique spruce]

expedition to Philly to capture the military industrial park, including Boeing so we can get some new Helis

[solemn sentinel]

like is it that hard to re purpose BTSU tech?

[unique spruce]

The plant in Philly is making the new MH-139a Grey Wolf medium utility copters. A perfect acquisition to shore up our forces against Black Tusk

[solemn sentinel]

do we have enough forces to man such Helicopters?

[unique spruce]

idk what we have for "forces" at all

Theyre just transport helis tho, so I'd say yeah

[solemn sentinel]

true and we still have civlian Milita who we have done a lot to bring over to our side

[unique spruce]

JTF has to send reinforcements for their whitehouse garrison at some point anyways, right?

They didnt just abandon them. Even if only a skeleton crew, after the attack I'd imagine we need new folks to keep skeleton crew level staffing

[solemn sentinel]

yeah tho idk if the JTF can even send Reinforcements X D

[unique spruce]

I hate that we just dont know the state of like... any of our allies ugh

Or those who would theoretically be our allies, such as JTF, military, etc

We really be at the "SEND DUDES" state

[wicked gorge]

The south is either the most safest or most dangerous place in America

[cold bramble]

How come we never tried to secure the airport from the dark hours raid? To use for transport to other states and for receiving supplies and stuff?

[cyan haven]

Not enough personnel probably

[cold bramble]

Yeah true I suppose

[marsh sundial]

You know what's the biggest "lore vs gameplay" thing we don't talk about

E-credits, are we dealing in crypto post end of the world?

[ashen jungle]

It's actually been discussed at length here for years. IIRC the answer we settled on as a community has generally been: it's only for the Agents, everyone else is just helping each other out".

[gaunt ice]

everyone gets free stuff except the guy that just saved the city for the 4th time this week

no no that guy has to pay in crypto

[ashen jungle]

To be fair, that Agent is also asking for random new guns and storing them in a big trunk so no one else can have them.

we are the Jeff Bezos of the apocalypse.

[gaunt ice]

if you think about it

every enemy we kill leaves a gun behind

we just cherrypick which one to keep

they can use the rest

like i take 10 guns or something from the bad guys out of the 160 that i dropped and im the bad guy for hoarding stuff?

[ashen jungle]

All those NPC's being stuck with green tier guns and us picking the gold ones out on Chall+, yeah we're pretty evil.

[obtuse arrow]

I just deconstruct everything I don't want, I don't care about those civilians they can stick to using baseball bats haha no guns for them in my world.

[sick lantern]

when the mugger with a pistol drops an m60 🤯

[gaunt ice]

me when the clearly American PMC grunt drops an AK

[sleek plover]

I heard the actual military is busy in the borders somewhere in the audio

[ashen jungle]

Hey they're cheap for a reason.

[gaunt ice]

can you even get AKs legally in the States

[waxen sonnet]

I think so, And the Resolute mk 47 is also chambered for AK Rounds using AR parts iirc

", a true AK-47 has a fully automatic setting, which is illegal in the United States. Models with semi-automatic settings are available and legal in the U.S. Manufacturers cannot make or import fully automatic weapons for the civilian market"

[gaunt ice]

i thought the mk47 just uses 7.62 rounds

[gaunt ice]

and nah those AKs were full auto its definitely illegal

thats kinda stupid but i digress

actually no i want my full auto LVOAC back

[waxen sonnet]

Iirc the real life version is called the mutant and fires ak style rounds

Obviously take it with a grain of salt, Firearms of any kind in my country is obviously a big Nono so my knowledge of the comes mostly from online

[frail pond]

Plot twist: in lore, ammo shortages run rampant for everyone except Black Tusk, and everyone just carries around empty guns hoping to find ammo for it. I'm just imagining the True Sons worshipping a gameplay ammo box, unlimited munitions

[unique spruce]

If you find the audio again, lemme know!

[glad spruce]

Just like fuel is a scarcity in the post green poison America, a lot of people including Division agents gotta adapt when it comes to ammo

[glad spruce]

I do recall in one of the JTF audio logs that majority of the task force including military is busy trying to maintain the borders.

[unique spruce]

They might want to put a little more priority on the literal civil war going on

[glad spruce]

I'd argue with how devastating the Green Poison was, the chain of command has been pretty much severed in the US military

[gaunt ice]

its more likely that they failed and thats why we never hear from them ever

how would black tusk even transport all of their logistics throught the border

[ashen jungle]

Giant Hovercraft.

[gaunt ice]

its one thing to smuggle small arms and some robot dogs and another to have...yea that

emphasis on GIANT

its been established in the books iirc that they were loading into US even before the outbreak

even then assume they board after div1

coast guard would've seen them

unless there's no longer a coast guard

[ashen jungle]

remember that div1 takes place after the events of the DZ closing, so there's a fair chunk of time for them to do stuff in between.

Green Poison was unleashed on Black Friday, it was already really bad by about Christmas

obviously it didn't last too much longer or the decorations would've been taken down.

[glad spruce]

Sometimes, I wonder how things would've went differently if that NSA Analyst could've disobeyed Cal's orders and went after Amherst

[gaunt ice]

fired and shrugged off as deranged

its more likely that he planned it

he knows about the virus,he has ties to Nat,he was responsible for ISAC retcon

[sick lantern]

assassinated by Hunters, kickstarting a Designated Survivor-esque political mystery/thriller

[glad spruce]

I'd love to go back in time and kill the bastard who came up with the word retcon

[gaunt ice]

aw come on are you really gonna argue that it isnt

erm its an AI that piggybacks on ISAC servers

erm actually its made for Hunters and is superior to ISAC in every way and heres a bs lore reason as to why we dont have her in the first place

eem ISAC is actually stupid

[ashen jungle]

you leave Garrus alone.

[gaunt ice]

i feel like it’d have been funny if i get the reference

[glad spruce]

If the addition of new lore in ficitonal media is a retcon, then eveything is a retcon

[gaunt ice]

if an addition of a new lore contradicts old lore then it is rightfully a retcon

[glad spruce]

You know what, you're a fucking lost cause. I'm not gonna argue with this any further

[gaunt ice]

honestly yea lets just agree to disagree on it

(good ending achieved)

[ashen jungle]

ISAC's va (whose surname name happens to be Keener) also voices a character in Mass Effect.

[ashen jungle]

Okay tone it down, we're talking about stuff that doesn't exist.

[gaunt ice]

i just googled the guy,huh thats a cool fact

though something i wanna touch on thats not really into the lore but moreso the general writing

people have insisted that Keener wasn’t dead in WoNY for ages

and sure it was a stupid theory back then

but when it turned out that he did people jump on that as a “i told you so”

[ashen jungle]

Keener I can stretch to believe as he died in a cutscene with no definitive death moment.
Theo however....

[gaunt ice]

i still think Theo was bs thematically but i can accept that

but Keeenr

did we not pull the corpse back?double tap?

nah bro just leave him there

[sick lantern]

would’ve been nice if there was any foreshadowing he was still alive at any point between wony and now

[gaunt ice]

so when people have their opinion ridiculed for so long and gets a rare W they latch onto it and die on said hill

[sick lantern]

the seasons are sorta just flying by the seat of their pants

[gaunt ice]

ive been there

just cant accept that im wrong

just because i thought i was right for once

i saw someone on Reddit literally reaching that the eclipse rocket in the finale was a hologram

[ashen jungle]

a twitch of his arm that could've been a trick of the light is usually the method they go for.
however we all kinda know that this was an "after the fact" thing, yeah?

[gaunt ice]

revive hive is canon

[ashen jungle]

Holograms famously explode and leak poison when shot.

[gaunt ice]

its not a defib lol it literally resurrect dead people

[gaunt ice]

they also violently combusts in an explosion big enough to wipe out Manhattan

infact you literally see the missiles launching if you fail that section

[ashen jungle]

The explosion of the rockets wasn't what was going to wipe out Manhattan.

[gaunt ice]

Black Tusk had thermals and they’d know that its fake

[sick lantern]

maybe he’s not ACTUALLY still alive. he just has a homie that has used hypnotherapy to make himself think he’s Keener

[gaunt ice]

Aaron B Keener

[ashen jungle]

very MGS:5.

[gaunt ice]

Punished Keener

[ashen jungle]

bonus points if they cast Jack Bauer as Keener in the movie

Nic Cage has been rumoured, but if it follows div1 I see him more as Ferro.

[sleek plover]

He is actually Moses Keener, Aaron Keener's Twin brother.

[ashen jungle]

Nah pull a capcom and call him Noraa.

[sleek plover]

He was originally overseas but he crossed the ocean to join the rogues

[gaunt ice]

i hate that they tried to portray Keener in a positive light

[glad spruce]

Where, in the comms? Cuz that's a matter of perspective

[sleek plover]

Wait..does that mean this "Aaron" is actually a she?

[ashen jungle]

No like, Dracula's son in Castlevania is Alucard.
so backwards.

[sleek plover]

yeah.

aaron clearly wanted the world of might makes right

[sleek plover]

Oh , right

Ideally it would.be best for our agent to go the third way. That means No Cal, and No Aaron.

[glad spruce]

Enemy of my enemy is my friend

or still an enemy

[gaunt ice]

the enemy of my enemy is just a massive D head

[ashen jungle]

the skin that says "keener was right" is pretty definitive that they're trying to make him at least controversial and not a failed wall street bro like he is.

[sleek plover]

Also Manny for President

[gaunt ice]

if somehow WoNY never existed i can see that narrative

[glad spruce]

No offense, but why should we listen to what a skin has to say?

[gaunt ice]

Keener took the virologist to safety and worked towards solving the conspiracy

[ashen jungle]

Futures Trader. People like Keener were part of the reason the 2008 crash happened.

[gaunt ice]

but then WoNY went against his div1 character and made him into a Bond villain

[glad spruce]

Does the 2008 crash matter to the Division's narrative, tho?

[gaunt ice]

and then they changed their mind yet again to sets up the Brooklyn DLC

[sleek plover]

Was i high or I am pretty sure I heard somewhere back in div 1 that Aaron had an...interesting love life

[gaunt ice]

i get that Keener is a charming guy,dope VA behind him

[sick lantern]

indeed
it’s cus of- i’ve said this a few times before- when you take the multiple MGS easter eggs into account meaning Massive are aware of/fans of the franchise, when you squint a little, the plot of WoNY is quite similar to the plot of MGS2

[sleek plover]

with his ex wife and such

[sick lantern]

i think he had 2 ex wives

[ashen jungle]

the actor who plays Keener is actually a pretty solid screen actor.

[glad spruce]

He had 2 ex wives

[sleek plover]

Oh god, please please please dont have kelso fall in love with him

[glad spruce]

Makes you wonder what kind of a person to have a failed romantic life

[gaunt ice]

but reviving characters and then tries to defend his actions as "muh he helped people,and the muh settlements of people believing him"

muh Kelso trusted him

thats not gonna slide

[ashen jungle]

Relationships end for all sorts of reasons, in Keeners case it's because he's a massive bag of tools.

[gaunt ice]

imagine if next season they tell you that Bliss was taking over New York to fight against the Black Tusk

agent i wasn't actually evil i was just ahead of time

[glad spruce]

I highly disagree. Her expression in the season ending cutscene kinda shows that she's having some doubts about her parternship

[sleek plover]

The bald bastard's motives dont matter. It doesnt changes the fact he is a bastard

[glad spruce]

I think you need to take a kitkat and chill the fuck out, chairs

[sleek plover]

and every single indiviudals who followed him should go to hell

[gaunt ice]

it proves that she sides with him because she believes in(her own words) "the bullshit that Keener spouts"(Hornet manhunt)

[glad spruce]

But hey, we're talking about a franchise that somehow doesn't fucking matter, so who are we to disagree lol

[ashen jungle]

Okay @glad spruce, I've already told you to chill out, last warning.

[sleek plover]

But seriously, if I somehow see Kelso and Keener "getting on" in the next episodes, I am quittin' this game for good

[gaunt ice]

fish taco lore

[glad spruce]

Alright, I'll stop

[ashen jungle]

Kelso is pulling a Lau, I am betting on that.

[gaunt ice]

whatever happened to sussy Mari after they tried to set it up

oof

im pretty sure the Shang Tsung looking slimy guy said something about a chip

[glad spruce]

Well, Vikram is usually known to be a jerk, so I tend not to take everything he says as gospel

[gaunt ice]

to be fair it was worth highlighting in an audio

so logically its normal to expect that he was right

[ashen jungle]

yeah Malik is certainly not a reliable source.

[gaunt ice]

and people shrugged him off because he's a major A hole

[glad spruce]

Honestly, I care more about what his sister, Birdie, has to say than he is

[gaunt ice]

is that the lady that bombed Johnson

[sick lantern]

yea

[glad spruce]

Honestly, without her help, we would've been 100% screwed

[sick lantern]

somehow ok when Birdie does it but not when Cindy does it

[glad spruce]

So I do wanna owe her one.

[gaunt ice]

its set up in a "erm i actually care about Cindy" kind of stuff but still stupid i get

[ashen jungle]

the way the Manhunt was kinda confusingly worded, I honestly thought at first that Birdie was Manny's sister.

[gaunt ice]

yea lets bench our eye on the sky

who can also just hack and manually control black tusk weaponry

[glad spruce]

Cindy was known to be enjoying collateral damage a bit much, which can affect someone's psych

[gaunt ice]

she did right at coney island and Manny acted as if she screwed up

[glad spruce]

I would say more he was worried about her mental state

[gaunt ice]

i get the psyche lore thing

i just dont think that its a good move when they're running short on people

there's literally no substitute for her rn

you know what this actually feels like

they're building up for Manny to make bad decisions because of him slowly losing it

[glad spruce]

I'd be surprised if he doesn't snap in the opening cutscene for next season

[sick lantern]

there was that one time he was like “maybe we should just give up” and mari was like “wtf?”

[glad spruce]

Y5S1's ending cutscene

[gaunt ice]

right after that scene is "Asset in place"

so yea Mari sus

unless that scene is literally just talking about Johnson

[ashen jungle]

I know why they do it, but I still wish they'd just track Seasons continuously.

[glad spruce]

What do you mean?

[glad spruce]

Personally, I figured that's the case since the person who's talking to Nat in that cutscene sounds a lot like Johnson

[gaunt ice]

yea but it'd be "I'm in position"

[ashen jungle]

current thingy goes by "year then season number of that year", for the longest time it was just "season number".

[gaunt ice]

"Asset" means they're referring to something or someone other than themselves at that moment

or idk his callsign might literally be "Asset"

[ashen jungle]

Asset in something as "tom clancy-ish" as this story is, almost always refers to a spy, if Johnson was there we now know that he was a spy.

[gaunt ice]

erm Asset 0-1 in place🤓

[glad spruce]

I dunno, year then season number of that year is less confusing to me than just season number.

God knows there were times I was confused which Destiny 2 season is which when they're referred to by number

[gaunt ice]

we saw this coming like a whole 9 yard away so i am just high on copium that they meant someone else and not him

[ashen jungle]

@glad spruce My perspective is a bit different to most, as I'm thinking more on this Server terms and less gameplay.

[gaunt ice]

its awfully quiet this time around 'specially when y6s1 is close

my feelings for pts aside they just went radio silent

[glad spruce]

I suspect we'll get Y6S1 as well as the DLC revealed in Ubi forward on June 10

[ashen jungle]

the year thing is also a little confusing as we had a repeat and a quiet time, so it just skips ages.

[gaunt ice]

i think the actual twitter page of Division posted a meme about Keener coming back before instantly deleting it

thats the most memorable thing in recent memory

"i lived b*tch"

im not even making that up i have a screenshot of it

[glad spruce]

Let me guess, they deleted it because that was a spoiler to a number of people?

[gaunt ice]

its been like 2 weeks

thats like saying "muh you cant say iron man died in endgame because spoilers"

still whats the next story beat

this season was meant to be the lead up to the DLC

so we either get filler manhunts like the first 2 after WoNY(Jupiter and Hornet)

or just more infodump

maybe they can somehow convince me Keener had a change of heart

[ashen jungle]

spoilers.

[gaunt ice]

(they wont)

[sick lantern]

inb4 tchernenko and strategist

[gaunt ice]

most likely lol

[glad spruce]

Crackpot prediction: next season will be about Kelso going to DC to try to convince Manny and other folks about what's going on.

Or we rescue tchernenko and strategist.

I still don't see how the strategist is useful anyways since he's a dirty coward, but I digress

[gaunt ice]

the Witness will lose in the Final Shape

the Lotus is actually a Sentient

Keener isn't actually dead

[glad spruce]

I don't think Rivens plays Destiny 2, if I recall correctly

[sick lantern]

or maybe they’ll come up with someone who conveniently reappeared off screen and was captured by the black tusk off screen who we have to rescue

[gaunt ice]

pretty sure she does at one point

ok here's one more

Big Boss isn't real

wait no what

anyway

[gaunt ice]

inb4 the other 2 agents with Johnson

they came in as a group of 3

[sick lantern]

big boss isn’t a person it’s an idea and you the player is big boss

[gaunt ice]

ITS JUST SO PEAK

[ashen jungle]

started on battle.net, actually

[sick lantern]

who were ALSO in DC at the start of the game like he was, not helping for unknown reasons
perfect!

[ashen jungle]

not keeping up with the story since the smallening though.

[gaunt ice]

ok since Massive likes MGS reference

Keener is actually dead but he transcended beyond being a person

he is now an idea and a rogue agent is Keener

and by the very end of the franchise you'l become Keener

source:im from the future

uhhhhhh yea strategist,tchernenko and 1 more random rogue agent

[ashen jungle]

okay enough fan-fics for one day.

[gaunt ice]

when is the next season planned btw

[glad spruce]

June, since they are doing 4 month seasons

[sick lantern]

time to invent fan facts

i guess that’s just head canon

[gaunt ice]

but thats just a theory

[ashen jungle]

I was going to start talking about ceiling fans but head-canon makes more sense, yeah

[gaunt ice]

a GAME theory

[ashen jungle]

"we won't be asking you back for the sequel, don't call us"

[glad spruce]

headcanon: Hawkster gets easily angered

But in all seriousness, y'all can make fun of me if it turns out the next two seasons are actually filler.

[ashen jungle]

I'm now picturing NGN being cast as a cameo in the div movie and it just being the "my back's all f-d up" guy.

I hope there's someome complaining about spinal issues in the 3rd game, really round out the trilogy.

[gaunt ice]

update me on the spinal cord saga

[ashen jungle]

left field: dream casting for a div movie, assuming it's a movie and not a show.

[glad spruce]

3rd game is gonna have a guy who finally got his back healed

[gaunt ice]

inb4 Tom Holland for every male protag

[sick lantern]

that sounds like a fairly violent trilogy that from the PS2-PS3/Wii era

[sick lantern]

tangentially related
I always imagined Brenda from Operation: Crossroads as Debra Wilson

found it really hard to visualise any other character lol without a reference

[ashen jungle]

ooh Waller from some of the DC animated stuff.

[glad spruce]

It's been a while since I read the novels, but Brenda struck as someone in her late 30s to early 40s.

And Maira being early 30s

[ashen jungle]

I can picture her in a role, sure

[gaunt ice]

i like Pedro Pascal but idk who would he play the best

no i didn't see Mandalorian nor TLoU i like him from that mid kingsman sequel

[ashen jungle]

I wouldn't hate Pascal as ISAC, assuming they don't get Brandon Keener for the voice.

[glad spruce]

And Debra Wilson is basically in her 60s

[gaunt ice]

the one where he plays a banger cowboy

[sick lantern]

Manny

[ashen jungle]

I saw him in an episode of CSI the other day when he was like 20 and he sounded like he was told to put on the most surfer accent ever.

very jarring.

[sick lantern]

I’m watching CSI rn

[ashen jungle]

Keep an eye out on the side-characters, most are VA's.

[sick lantern]

saw Justin Bieber get shot yesterday

[ashen jungle]

I...may have watched every episode of Miami and most of the original CSI over lockdown.

yes that was a productive use of my time, thank you.

[gaunt ice]

why does he feel like a younger uhhhh the guy that played Cayde

[ashen jungle]

Nathan Fillion, there's a similarity.

[gaunt ice]

yea Nathan

[sick lantern]

I started watching it after I finished rewatching Life on Mars

[ashen jungle]

British or yank?

[sick lantern]

the OG

[ashen jungle]

good, the best one.

[sick lantern]

I have a morbid curiosity to watch the american version at some point lol

[ashen jungle]

It's actually not terrible.

for my answer on casting: if we're going full Hollywood I want some big name to play Keener, but slimy and not just like muscly.

[gaunt ice]

here's my idea:
Tom Cruise for Keener

[ashen jungle]

Honestly, that is not the worst idea. Dude plays a good villain.

[gaunt ice]

he always play the good guy but his character in Collateral was great

master manipulator type beat

also cold as hell

kinda weird that barely anything came out from darpa

they just forgot about it

[sick lantern]

technically descent was finally the payoff

but they cut darpa out of it idk and replaced them with ortiz

[sick lantern]

of “the division and the black tusk have the same tech supplier?? conspiracy???”

[gaunt ice]

its weird that they dont have the stuff that we have

like in DARPA the black tusk team there didn't know about any of the tech

seeker mines and all

[unique spruce]

You think I'd be declared rogue for leaving DC to gather reinforcements

[gaunt ice]

would you?

[unique spruce]

Idk I'm asking lol

[glad spruce]

No idea.

If the Recruiter's logic (aka agent douchebag) had any merit, we should've been rogue the moment we went to help DC and its people.

[sleek plover]

At this point i want to go rogue for real and start my own extremist faction already

[gaunt ice]

as long as you're justified in your cause i think

[sleek plover]

Lead mobs of rioters to lynch black tusks and true sons

[sick lantern]

no

Division agents can choose their own missions

[gaunt ice]

except when they cant according to WoNY lore

it'd make more sense if it was actually a misunderstanding on Kajika's part but nope

[sleek plover]

go vlad tepes impalin' around the town

[gaunt ice]

thats just the way it is

[unique spruce]

I want to go and start my own militia specifically to combat black tusk lmao

[gaunt ice]

eh not much you can do

[sleek plover]

That is exactly what i want to dk

I will be.more extreme tho

Wear their plucked out ears as necklaces etc

[gaunt ice]

while the main campaigns were happening black tusk was shown to be systematically taking down settlements and agents alike

[sleek plover]

Do blood rituals

[unique spruce]

Black Tusk when I return with troops supported by

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripsaw_(vehicle)

and

https://armedassault.fandom.com/wiki/MQ-12_Falcon

[gaunt ice]

good luck finding people that can operate those

[sleek plover]

offer basin of Black Tusk and True Sons blood as offering to lady liberty

[glad spruce]

I'll remind myself not to get on LMB's bad side

[gaunt ice]

logistics,fuel,ammo

[sleek plover]

dont call me that, thats the start.

I hate LMB

[unique spruce]

I leave it all to Manny

Call em' Drone Man Manny

[gaunt ice]

Manny was busy rizzing off people while we run around the city doing his job

i dont trust him

[glad spruce]

Maybe when Cindy gets her head straight, she can go back to operating drones.

[sleek plover]

Seriously, I can easily see Manny and Benitez basically forced to run for oval office out of overwhelming popular support when all this is over

[unique spruce]

I'm also planning on stopping at a few places in Penn and surrounding states aka military bases to recruit survivors lmao so

[glad spruce]

You make it sound like he was purposely flirting with people

Even though we all know his relationship with Mari is mutual

[unique spruce]

Theres my pilots

[gaunt ice]

im not gonna sugarcoat it you're not getting into office if you're gonna sacrifice people for the blood god

[gaunt ice]

nah man bro has L rizz

[sleek plover]

Nope, im sacrificing BT and TSs for Statue of Liberty

[gaunt ice]

im convinced Mari is a double agent and pretended to like him to infiltrate the org

bro's dense as a brick wall

[sleek plover]

and BT and True Sons are not people

[glad spruce]

Chairs, mate, I think you're paranoid

[unique spruce]

Tobyhanna Army Depot gotta have some people who can operate drones

[gaunt ice]

they are certainly not peoe

[glad spruce]

In all honesty, I'd love to have more Division novels.

At the very least, I can get to do Descent every Tuesday for the new audio logs

[sick lantern]

let ISAC do it

[gaunt ice]

it sounds cool but i doubt the military has adapted the tech for ISAC to just manually control them

that'd be so peak tho

i thought about something

you know the whole argument about how demolishing the Empire in star wars was bad

[glad spruce]

Which reminds me, aren't we having 6 comms left to complete the Descent comms collection?

[gaunt ice]

sure they were evil but they provided jobs

[gaunt ice]

likely to be extended because dlc delay

[gaunt ice]

i think a similar argument can be made for black tusk

say we put Nat's head on a stick,now what

[glad spruce]

We get remnants trying to continue the work. Power abhors a vacuum

[gaunt ice]

they are way more resourceful than us rn,literally setting up settlements and just gaslighting people in it

on how they're the good guys and we're evil

they have spare men,ammo,food,shelter,healthcare,all those stuff

im not saying we should side with them what i am saying is that going on a heads on confrontation will be a loss for everyone

they lose big,we lose big,the people on both sides also lose big

[unique spruce]

Unfortunately civilization is a chain of revolutions. One power replaces the other, in one way or another

[gaunt ice]

its something similar to mutually assured destruction where its not about who wins

its about who loses the least

[gaunt ice]

tbf to do that you'd need to have the basic framework of a government

im pretty sure that somewhere in star wars lore they talked about how life after the empire fell was worse

[unique spruce]

Tell that to the constant rebel forces overthrowing "authority" throughout history

It happened before, itll happen now, and itll happen again in the future

[gaunt ice]

how many succeeded without a major force backing them up

[glad spruce]

Honestly, I don't give a single crap about the so-called good things that Black Tusk do.

They deserve to fall. Not my problem how it'll affect their brainwashed civilians.

[gaunt ice]

and its not like we're talking about Cold War its the fricking apocalypse

bye bye society

[unique spruce]

Its not gone yet!

And tbh, I think youre overthinking the impact removing them will have. It's highly likely the civis will be fine.

If anything I see the world going city-state or wild west

[glad spruce]

I think the biggest question shouldn't be about "What can we do to bring back the country before the green poison?"
and should be more in the lines of "This is the new world. The old normal is never coming back. What can we do to nurture it?"

[gaunt ice]

i never said we should just surrender im just thinking about what can we do to tackle this problem

its not just as simple as go in kill 1000 dudes and back for dinner

but apparently thats just how we've been tackling problems

for the longest time the JTF's ultimatum is just "send the agent there"

so when we inevitably look the other way for 5 second they nearly wrecked us

[glad spruce]

Personally, I'd like Division 3 to double down on nurturing and improving community settlements.

Gotta be more to solving our problems than staring down the barrel of a gun

[gaunt ice]

in div1 it was emphasized more about you're not a supersoldier and more of a specialist working as a team

you support JTF operations and they do the same back to you

they have scouts,intel,even strike teams to assist you

[unique spruce]

I'm all for helping settlements

[unique spruce]

Now they just send dudes in T-shirts straight into the line of fire of miniguns in human wave assaults

[gaunt ice]

random example:JTF scouts picked up on LMB converging on the police academy

a team helped us take down Barrett

[unique spruce]

I was beyond bullshit on the first President Ellis camp whiteoak mission

[gaunt ice]

heck without them we wouldn't even make it past the front gates at the UN building

[unique spruce]

Bleepin useless JTF goons

[glad spruce]

Things have really gotten worse in the time gap between Div 1 and Div 2.

[gaunt ice]

they are quite outmatched tbf

they ran short when BT blew up the bridge

[unique spruce]

When youre outmatched you strategize

[gaunt ice]

thats an entire unit gone btw

[unique spruce]

Yeah, an entire unit of idiots

WHO THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA IN THE FIRST PLACE

[gaunt ice]

granted going through a fuckin choke point is a terrible idea

[glad spruce]

I can't imagine how bad things are in mid-town Manhattan for Lau/Rhodes/Benitez to move to lower Manhattan

[sick lantern]

eh, things were going ok for the months before they took full action, and are still going ok outside of their territory

[gaunt ice]

even if they made it past the bridge they would probably just get spawn camped

[gaunt ice]

yea but we apparently dont know the full scale of their operation here

we only assumed they take over cities and settlements and have them under an iron fist

[unique spruce]

No fire support, no armored support, not even unarmored vehicles.

Ala, the front door isnt an option and the only outcome of trying it is exactly what happened

AND THEY DONT EVEN HAVE BODY ARMOR

[gaunt ice]

tbf thats just reused model

them being ill equipped is true but i doubt those guys at White Oaks came in naked

[unique spruce]

Until im told otherwise, what I observed is what happened

[glad spruce]

I think what I want most is seeing Sokolova getting like really angry and raising her voice.

[sick lantern]

they don’t have much territory beyond the scattered outposts and installations and etc they control on the east coast, and they couldn’t even accomplish their mission goal there

[gaunt ice]

hmm,i dont read the books but at least thats some good news

[glad spruce]

I do recommend em if you wanna know more about the Division beyond the games.

They're not like award winning novels, but they're pretty competent.

[gaunt ice]

i think that they wanted 2 teams to take them by surpise(they did) and faced heavy resistance at the front gate to create a distraction for the agent to infiltrate

what they didnt expect is the bridge being rigged to blow up

[gaunt ice]

yea but international shippings be dammed

[unique spruce]

That is just about one of the first things I'd expect

[gaunt ice]

yea im just trying to come up with a reason

div2 JTF is wildly incompetent

i really hope they update some friendly true sons grunts into the game

[unique spruce]

Want to make a distraction? Easier plan;

Stay on the OTHER side of the river, set up light fighting positions with earth and wood, and engage them at distance.

This has the added benefit of actually drawing more bad guys to deal with the COORDINATED attack

[gaunt ice]

like some of them defected with Lewis

[unique spruce]

The true sons arent that great either. The game really emphasizes that they have no actual experience

[gaunt ice]

they are literally US army

[unique spruce]

Theyre JTF, mostly national guard

[gaunt ice]

at least they're more well armed and well trained

[unique spruce]

And none of them have ever been deployed

[gaunt ice]

the point was that most of them were army

thats why they were loyal to Ridgeway to start with

i doubt random EMT guy would be loyal to a random general

[unique spruce]

The game says repeatedly that none of them have deployed or have actual combat experience.

They do have basic training though!

[gaunt ice]

they said that?

[unique spruce]

Yes

[gaunt ice]

do you mind if i ask you for source cuz i genuinely dont remember it

[unique spruce]

One of them is a lore tip on loading

[sick lantern]

basic trained national guard>untrained civilian militia

[gaunt ice]

yea that too

they have body armor and grenades too lololol

actual combat medics instead of guy with t shirt and a golf club

[glad spruce]

You can find description on the True Sons faction in the organizations section from the database meny in collectibles

[unique spruce]

This is from the "Intel brief" on them

Overall, the True Sons appear to be disciplined and well-coordinated. Most members are trained in either police or military tactics, though few have been deployed overseas in conflict zones. The few True Sons who aren't veterans or ex-cops are either former criminals or recruited civilians and, as a result, sometimes exhibit unconventional combat tactics. But General Ridgeway has built a regiment for his troops that includes standard military training to keep them battle-ready.

[gaunt ice]

i see

still they are way better off than the JTF rn

it makes me a bit annoyed that they never showed you the actual impact of the story on the world

[unique spruce]

Oh, absolutely.

But the civilians are better off than the JTF so thats not saying much lmao

[gaunt ice]

yea but at least the true sons know better than to not head charge at a wooden bridge that is 100% definitely not rigged with explosives

[unique spruce]

Sure the civis know that too

I would have rather had the civi settlements put together an assault force for us for that mission tbh. Wouldve been more successful

[gaunt ice]

the point of a civvy settlement is that they keep people there safe

sending their forces to conflicts seem to go against that

just get Cindy to bomb tf out of them lol

[unique spruce]

While its cliche, sometimes the best defense is offense

[gaunt ice]

they literally cannot afford it thats why the first thing we do go gain their trust is running around doing errants

they're the ones that came after we're done and loot the place for supplies

[sick lantern]

they had mortars at the castle
just move those and soften the camp up a bit before the assault

[gaunt ice]

tbf castle was still in ruins when white oaks happened

other than that yea

[sick lantern]

sorry uhh
a different settlement then

[gaunt ice]

didn't we only set up the mortars after we got Birdie

[sick lantern]

i just said castle cus it’s the only one that matters these days

[gaunt ice]

white house more like

lame house

[sick lantern]

i thought it was at some point in the main campaign

[gaunt ice]

true sons used biochem mortars and bt has real mortars

that we hacked

idk why we had that set up when the narrative seems to be shifting away from DC

when they said BT might have a bunker in Manhattan

[sick lantern]

Theatre
mortars in the Theatre

[gaunt ice]

shouldn't we gear up for Haven then?

[gaunt ice]

theater had mortars?

[unique spruce]

I don't wanna go to NYC :' (

[gaunt ice]

come on it looks nice

[unique spruce]

yes they have actual mortars instead of the WHATEVER SIN black tusk mortars are

And nah.

I hate new york

I hate new york

I hate new york

[gaunt ice]

nah i'd go to new york

ive ran through DC multiple times for past manhunts

im sick of it

[unique spruce]

New york got 1 whole game and TWO DLCs

[sick lantern]

yea

[unique spruce]

We dont have to stay in DC (though I enjoy DC still)

Let's just go SOMEWHERE ELSE

How about Philadelphia! Put this Black Tusk Bunker there!

Or somewhere in Virginia!

Let's go to Richmond!

Anywhere. That isnt. New Dork City.

please 7-7

[sick lantern]

speaking of which… we got a Pentagon update why did we never get a Langley, Virgina (CIA) update

[glad spruce]

Depends if there's enough fuel to get to Virginia with heli

[sick lantern]

it’s like <10 miles away

[gaunt ice]

we go to Kenly every 3 weeks or so

[glad spruce]

The last thing we got with the CIA was the Langley Reports

[gaunt ice]

the CIA?helping its own people?

lol,lmao even

[glad spruce]

As for Kenly, I thought we only go there once to stop the Outcasts, rescue Jack Arnold, and recover the mobile SHD Server

[gaunt ice]

yea but if we can go back and forth to what is essentially Nowhere DC

Virginia isn’t that far

heck we went do NYC

it kinda shows how bad the JTF became when they can just lose Proteus and no one cared lol

oh yea that whole ass convoy with a mobile SHD server?

i fragor 💀

its only when they got a distress signal from it lol

[glad spruce]

I do remember in the audio logs from last season, Jack Arnold talks about how and her unit were ordered by a Division agent to bring the mobile SHD server to Kenly college.

Which is heavily implied to be Brian Johnson

[gaunt ice]

it is

still weird that they forgot about it

[glad spruce]

To be fair, there's so many surnames, its not easy to remember one specifically

[gaunt ice]

not the Johnson part

im talking about how they forgot that they sent a convoy away

[sick lantern]

just like the sheriff forgot the box was electric

[glad spruce]

My crackpot theory is that Keener forced Kelso to order us to touch the box because he would've killed the sheriff otherwise.

[glad spruce]

Next time, I gotta double check my writing

[glad spruce]

Kinda wish cryopods are a thing so I could skip to next season

[remote tree]

You’ll trigger the ark kids

[unique spruce]

That's what I'm waiting for too. Been playing AC Mirage in the meantime

I know I'll burn myself out on div2 again and I want to play next season lol

[glad spruce]

Collecting the Descent comms should be keep me entertained for at least the next couple of weeks

[cold bramble]

they are interesting

[thorny cedar]

I don’t recall Isac announcing Hunter tech as “Hostile”… was it changed from saying “Rouge”?

[cold bramble]

Wait what?

I thought hunters were division agents?

[unique spruce]

Negative

They work for Homeland, but not SHD specifically

[cold bramble]

Oh right

[glad spruce]

A group of masked psychos as Homeland's private army.

I'd have said feds, but we all know Division agents are also feds in the sense of the term

[sleek plover]

The jokes aside, this guy predicted the future lol

[unique spruce]

Psychos?! I think you mean TRUE PATRIOTS

[glad spruce]

Careful, you're gonna send our friend into a psychotic rant lmao

[unique spruce]

Oh, yikes

[glad spruce]

Just like the mention of LMB angers him, the mere mention of True Sons and Black Tusk angers him a thousand times

[unique spruce]

I LOVE PARAMILITARY ENTITIES

:chaos:

[glad spruce]

You know, I should do a re-read of the Operation Crossroads novels.

[cold bramble]

How come we never secured the pentagon and used it as a secondary BOO?

[unique spruce]

Too big

[glad spruce]

IIRC, the area in one of Nat's scenes is shown in Season 11's trailer looks a lot like the Pentagon

[cold bramble]

Season 11?

[glad spruce]

Reign of Fire. Stovepipe's Manhunt

[cold bramble]

Wait what season are we on now? Lol

[glad spruce]

Year 5 Season 3: Vanguard. Since it's part of the year 5 content that got started in June last year.

And by June 4th, we should be starting with Year 6 Season 1

[cold bramble]

Ohh okay

[sick lantern]

“well yes, but actually no”

[glad spruce]

I still wonder how Black Tusk can make use of Harlan Lloyd? Yes, he was The Strategist for the Outcasts. But aside from that, he's a coward who can easily buckle under pressure.

Vitaly Tchernenko, I understand, due to his experience in virology. But Lloyd? I'm in a bit of a loss there

[wicked gorge]

Wellll both sides hate the division and he is a psychopath

Maybe we need to be on the lookout for suicide warhounds now

[glad spruce]

As if sniper, minigun, and grenadier warhounds weren't bad enough 😟

[glad spruce]

But hey, tomorrow's Tuesday, so I'm ready to get this week's Descent comm

[cold bramble]

We know it could potentially be about?

[wicked gorge]

Y6 s1 will have us tracking manny down after he decided to say fuck this and bail

[cold bramble]

Surprised he’s not already bailed on us tbh

[wicked gorge]

Manny is the definition of that dog in a room on fire saying everything is fine

[glad spruce]

I don't know, cuz I don't datamine or anything.

And I doubt there's anyone who actually datamined the Descent audio logs

[wicked gorge]

Maybe it would discuss the back door in the shd servers

[cold bramble]

Which seems to be wide open 😂

[glad spruce]

I know some players on here who have been playing Descent since its release have the comms currently at 50 out of 52, though they haven't shared videos about em.

[unique spruce]

If Manny jumps ship, they better let me follow suit.

I have no actual attachment to SHD itself.

[cold bramble]

Yeah lol it’s funny cuz most agents I see in the world have rogue outfits 😂

[cold bramble]

Could that mean only two weeks left of season with their only being two comms left

[unique spruce]

Well... Yes. There is a giant sign that says the season is at week 15/17

[glad spruce]

Yeah, it's literally shown in the seasonal vendors

[gaunt ice]

inb4 season extended

[hallow topaz]

I thought you would get all of them (up till the newest) as soon as you complete 1 Descent run...
I remember that I came back from a break to play it, and after the Nemesis I had 15 comms.

Did they change it so you only get 1 per completion?

[glad spruce]

Yeah, that's the catch up mechanic. If you don't play the mode for a couple of weeks, it gives you a number of comms that you missed out on after you defeat the Nemesis.

Otherwise, you get 1 comm a week.

Anyway, I got the latest Descent comm. It's called ANNA's first test.

||Claire instructs Vivian to do an unauthorized field test run of ANNA by going somewhere, run a pulse scan, and map the region. I say unauthorized because Claire is doing it behind Alex's back and she wanted to make sure the AI works before they can pitch it to McManus||

||Considering the comms we got over the last two weeks, I can tell they're focusing on the early days of ANNA.||

[waxen sonnet]

Implies I assume we may see a system change at the DLC's start or outcome

[glad spruce]

What do you mean?

Wait, I think you mean what I said in the spoiler alert.

[waxen sonnet]

||ISAC To ANNA||

[glad spruce]

Gotcha.

Yeah, because you replied the post I sent to l3eardd, I thought you meant something else.

[waxen sonnet]

Yeah no Im just an idiot at clicking the right buttons

[glad spruce]

No worries, bud

[unique spruce]

Where would folks like to go for Div 3, if you could chose anywhere in the country?

[glad spruce]

No idea. Maybe Chicago or West Virginia

Besides, do we know of other cities that are important?

New York was important because it was the center of the Green Poison outbreak. Washington, DC is important because it's the capital of the entire country.

[cold bramble]

Personally I’d like to see more of America opened up to us

[unique spruce]

Los Angeles? Saint Louis maybe?

[glad spruce]

Los Angeles, maybe. But Saint Louis is a radioactive hellhole thanks to the dirty bombs that Outcasts deployed there with a help of a Rogue Agent

And in case you ask, it's depicted in the Recruited novel as well as referenced quite a lot in Stovepipe Manhunt

[unique spruce]

That's exactly why I mentioned it

It has story significance

And gives a reason to use the "contaminated area" mechanics

Or DZ

Could have the game mainly take place on the outskirts, with incursions to the radioactive center.

Just spit balling of course

I'm more interested in interesting settings anyways. New Orleans/Tampa or Portland/Seattle would be my two regional picks

[sick lantern]

Seattle, Washington
Anchorage, Alaska
Honolulu, Hawaii
Houston, Texas
any of those are my choice

[unique spruce]

Yeah PNW LETS GO

Wherever it is, please offer some actual open world nature areas!

[sick lantern]

📠

[unique spruce]

One of the prettiest places on earf

[steep flame]

Detroit would be pretty wild.

[hallow topaz]

Russia, to get Natalya's head after she flees back to there😏

[waxen sonnet]

Still think Vegas would be funny, every casino would be a dark zone due to infected chips.

[glad spruce]

Depends if there's still aviation in the current state.

America ain't the only country that got hit by the green poison

[hallow topaz]

Area 51 raid👀

[waxen sonnet]

SHD Gets aliens tech confirmed

[storm crystal]

Tokyo City would probably be ALOT of fun

[unique spruce]

International would be exciting! Unexpected suggestion for that; Mexico City, or somewhere else in Mexico. Country doesn't get any love

[storm crystal]

thing is its pretty much confirmed that the division wont leave usa too soon

[raw galleon]

I want it to be in Boston

[ashen jungle]

The Strategic Homeland Division not being in America might be kinda tricky.

[storm crystal]

Sure but if the writers wanted they could find a way

its okay that they dont want tho - i just stated they wont xD

[wicked gorge]

The farthest the division would be out is Hawaii and maybe Alaska

The only real place I could see the division going international is Cuba

[waxen sonnet]

They'll do another large scale metropolitan area within a well known area of the US I suspect. Las Vegas, LA, Austin, St Louis etc

[split glacier]

We gotta go over there to help the homeland

The british rikers have nukes, or something

[waxen sonnet]

Bri'ish here, Our nukes are only ever stored on Submarines out to sea, So uh, Riker Pirates confirmed

[split glacier]

An even bigger threat, Riker pirares

Quickly, get the division warship, it's time for a maritime division game

[waxen sonnet]

Unironically though its gonna be the US Surely, trying to find a lore sensible reason a US based and founded by USDHS Organisation goes anywhere outside the US is a bit tricky.

[hallow topaz]

Would it be possible tho (SHD mobile server wise)?
Couldn't we just take them to a different country?

[waxen sonnet]

The networks linked to Satellites so in theory so long as the server or Satellites are up it shouldn't be an issue

[hallow topaz]

In that case I can definitely see us going to Russia with Keener to finish off Natalya.

[unique spruce]

Hawaii would be KILLER. I can't really think of any games there. Honolulu, some outer areas and some jungle would have me hopping in excitement!

Or to really make me blow my top...

Imagine the whole island of Oahu...

My knees are weak just thinking about that...

[ashen jungle]

We've had snowy and cold, we've had wet and kinda dreary, next up on the setting rotation is sunny.

[sick lantern]

the mobile servers are just a backup plan, the real infrastructure of the network is pre-set in place throughout the US

[hallow topaz]

I rather have a map that changes seasons

[ashen jungle]

How do you imagine the seasons changing working ingame?

[unique spruce]

I'm ready for palm and sunburn. And they can make time pass without major map changes since Hawaii has like... Two seasons

[unique spruce]

Forza Horizon 4 has a decent system. Seasonal changes were on a rotation

[hallow topaz]

That's exactly why right.
We go rogue in Div3, we need mobile servers to back us up (as we're not in USA anymore

[hallow topaz]

Make 4 different styles of the map
or 3 spring/summer, winter, autumn

[sick lantern]

I don’t want Div 3 in a different country

[hallow topaz]

Oke and now?😂

[unique spruce]

I'm all in on this Hawaii idea lmao

[sick lantern]

?

[unique spruce]

Gonna drive two hours to Ubi Montreal and demand Division 3 in Hawaii

[ashen jungle]

Don't actually do that though.

I always assumed the next Div would be set in LA. Big city, lots of varied environments, the celebrity angle could be fun.
the Fallout TV thingy shows that the places there work in the post apocalyptic sense.

[hallow topaz]

That's exactly what I thought "?" (Oke... and now?)

[sick lantern]

wdym “now”

[hallow topaz]

You don't want a div 3 in another country
Oke and now?
Would it happen because I came up with the idea? Nope😂

[glad spruce]

That means another addition to the california memes lol

[ashen jungle]

I have no idea what that is.

[ashen jungle]

They were just stating that they didn't want something, they didn't think that 1 person's random suggestion on a server would confirm it.

I honestly hope we don't get div3 in another country. There's plenty of games set in other places, the div franchise is very American.

it's like setting a Fallout in the UK wouldn't work.

[unique spruce]

But we've been to LA a million times. I'm so committed to Hawaii now cause it's rather unique, and can offer the same uniqueness in story too!

[ashen jungle]

Hawaii has some stuff but like, I don't really picture big cities when I think of there, and a main div game needs a big detailed environment to wander around in.

[unique spruce]

Honolulu

[ashen jungle]

Think of the architecture there, the landmarks. Would it be recognisable if you haven't been there?

[unique spruce]

The landmarks are natural.

It has some architecture but mostly the city isn't what makes Hawaii. Iconic. It's the palms and beaches

[ashen jungle]

So it'd be a Far Cry then. Kinda not the right franchise for big loads of grass and trees+cliffs.

Far Cry 6 in this case.

[unique spruce]

Idk the city is pretty big. Has an actual skyline too, unlike DC

[glad spruce]

Eh, I don't think a skyline should be simply what defines a setting in the Division games

[unique spruce]

I don't either, but, it's what comes to me when I think of "iconic architecture"

[hallow topaz]

I hope it does go somewhere else, as I think we go rogue in Div3 (rogue different country).
It would make sense for the "begin with nothing" again.
It would make sense that Natalya escapes her arrest/death to keep the story going.

[ashen jungle]

We'll know for sure once the DLC is released. As that's almost certainly going to lead straight in to the 3rd game.

[hallow topaz]

Yeah because there are not that many games/movies in America😂

[ashen jungle]

You just like saying random, mostly unrelated things as replies.

[unique spruce]

If I'm being realistic.

I expect New York City #4

[waxen sonnet]

We're gonna shoot Nat and Mcmanus in the face and reform the legitimate founding beliefs of the Division
Please Massive, Please

[hallow topaz]

That's for sure, I just hope it's good.

[ashen jungle]

Set it in New New York from Futurama.
madison cubed garden can be a stronghold.

[unique spruce]

Boy I sure love visiting the same city repeatedly!!1!

[glad spruce]

Okay, but we haven't been to Brooklyn aside from the tutorial in Div 1.

[unique spruce]

NYC is nyc

[ashen jungle]

I'm curious how many people put together that the bridge Keener and pals drove across at the end of the Manhunt was probably the Brooklyn Bridge.

[glad spruce]

Say, what if Division 3 is about the aftermath of the Division/Black Tusk war and where do we go from there

[unique spruce]

To a farm, in the countryside obviously!

At least that's what I'd do.

[sick lantern]

division 3 kentucky

[waxen sonnet]

Wasn't that destroyed though?

[sick lantern]

faction that makes crop circles

[unique spruce]

The Rapscallions

[hallow topaz]

😂😂😂
Rather have my own idea's than bragging with facts of the novel writer (as that is the safe way ofcourse)

[ashen jungle]

....it's a reference to Futurama, a cartoon show from 1999.

[hallow topaz]

And before that you bash me for random replies

[ashen jungle]

If this is a troll or whatever, just leave off it.

[ember vector]

I think it was the Manhattan Bridge that was destroyed!

[waxen sonnet]

Oh, Thanks, I only recognise it by its appearance so I dont know the difference by names!

[ember vector]

That one is on me, it was the Brooklyn Bridge that was destroyed!

[unique spruce]

The Beastie Boys crying in front of the smoldering Brooklyn Bridge

[ember vector]

So everything is coming full circle there because the Manhattan Bridge is the very first thing you see when you start The Division 1. Your character is facing it right away.

[hallow topaz]

BTW for the lore guys (you probably already have done this, but if you didnt), the other day I was eating while on the game...
And I walked over to a propaganda side mission where I heard Natalya speaking, she said all kinds of things about her brother, her working with the government, her childhood and father, etc.

Maybe something for you to listen to?💪

[unique spruce]

I stop and listen when I hear em lol. Mentions the Trucker Wars too

[hallow topaz]

True, are those novel enemies?
Or are those the green balaclava dudes?

[waxen sonnet]

Novel Enemies, Book one.

Recruited.

[hallow topaz]

Aah oke

[waxen sonnet]

DLC Is 2025 again right?

[ashen jungle]

As of right now, yep!

MSV are known for giving bugger-all heads up about stuff and then just releasing it, so don't expect a big marketing push or anything.

WONY was only a month pre-release that we got the Trailer.

[waxen sonnet]

I couldn't recall if it was Year 6 or 2025.

Thanks Rivens.

[hallow topaz]

The funnier question (or bet) is:
Will it come out before or after GTA6?😂

[waxen sonnet]

Couldn't care for that game so doesn't bother me tbh.

[glad spruce]

Those were added after we finished the Recruiter manhunt.

[ember vector]

We have got two more seasons before the DLC! I wonder where the story will lead.

[glad spruce]

Not that they'll do it, but I would be delighted if we do get a reveal trailer as well as gameplay reveal in Ubi forward.

[ember vector]

Fingers crossed!

[glad spruce]

IIRC, next season should be out by June 4th

[unique spruce]

Would people like to see more collabs of moderate size? For example, like the Assassin's outfit in Wildlands type of stuff

Or maybe even like how Watchdogs and Ghost Recon had mission based collabs with fellow Ubi ips

[glad spruce]

It would be nice to get a Rainbow Six collab

Although I doubt we'll get missions crossover

[vagrant orbit]

i like references or a character that pops up with an indirect interaction but nothing too big. i'm not a big fan of cosmetics from other franchises because it's usually a bland outfit with the game's logo.

like that last assassination mission in watch dogs 1 that ties into assassin's creed.

the reason i don't want something big is it's usually done in an unfun gimmick way. like sam fisher showing up in ghost recon, especially the one mission in wildlands, it just doesn't make any sense. they did it better in breakpoint imo but still. i'd rather something more subtle.

[glad spruce]

Likewise

[unique spruce]

I loved the AC outfit in Wildlands. Was one of my go-to

Those kinda cosmetics I want more of

[hallow topaz]

I would like a Predator collab (gimmick Manhunt)
Where we have to find out who the hell is killing random people, first we think Rikers, etc.
Then we think it's Hunters, but in Manning National Zoo we find out its the Predator.
After killing it we receive apparel stuff, Predator Mask, (maybe a whole outfit), and a Vanity Mod for the Pulse skill, which let's us see pulsed enemies with infrared thermal vision (+ the sound of when the Predator zooms in the moment we pulse)

I know it's already been done in one of the games named just now, but still

[vagrant orbit]

if only it wasn't a licensed thing where it's content that's just going to be removed once the license runs out.

i'd rather keep the crossovers in between Ubi's IPs than them tying in other media that's just going to be removed later.

[gaunt ice]

if the mobile servers are what we’re relying on then does that mean the main server is down?

[cold bramble]

Good question

I know the node in Kansas was attacked and Kelso says she was planning to go and look at it but idk if it was ever fixed

Anyone else able to offer a better answer than me?

[gaunt ice]

im pretty sure she was going to check up on new york

[glad spruce]

The Kansas Core was depicted in the Recruited novel. Long story short, it was under attack and a Division cell went there to stop it.

[unique spruce]

I thought I walked in on some new metalcore subgenre

[glad spruce]

What?

[unique spruce]

Kansas Core

[glad spruce]

Oh, right

[glad spruce]

Basically, Cores act as bunkers for the Division and there are three of them. One in Kansas, and the other two are in Texas and South Dakota, respectively.

[glad spruce]

So, someone remind me, when did Vikram's rescue release back on last season? I'm trying to find the link between it and the Hunted novel.

[unique spruce]

Anyone have headcanon on what their Agent did pre-outbreak?

[urban musk]

I do.

JTF Police during the 1st wave, activated as a SHD Agent during the second wave.

so If I were to guess, mine was probably a police officer before the outbreak.

[unique spruce]

Ah, much the same as mine. I'm sure many people gave themselves a similar backstory haha.

My guy was a Marshal SOG team member before and during the first wave. He was reassigned to a SNSSO (Strategic National Stockpile, Security Operations) team to guard a convoy of FEMA materials from SNS, but was hit with an overwhelming and devastating ambush. Only a few survived. He was activated shortly after for the second wave. (SNS is a CDC program irl)

Marshals also help respond to bio-terrorism and pandemics, which I found fitting

He also hates being referred to as "The Sheriff"

[marsh sundial]

Question, what other fictional crisis could the division handle? Got a silly idea of a triple crossover of edf,xcom, division

[restive phoenix]

SHD agents aren’t dedicated soldiers yes their tech gives them an edge while fighting and they are trained but they’re more like crisis management specialists they know how to lead and organize teams

[marsh sundial]

In a xcom styled deal they're not trying to take out a gray. They're more heading into the dangerous areas and pulling out survivors while maybe gathering intel. In terms of a xcom2 au, agents would be a subfaction that fights like xcom but shd tech gives them a major early game boost

[sleek plover]

Invasion of sentient space hamsters

[unique spruce]

The Big Bababoey Crisis

[sick lantern]

anything which is beyond the ability of conventional means to deal with and that devastates the infrastructure/stability of the US

[glad spruce]

If we're still talking about our pre-pandemic headcanons for our agents, mine was in the army then left to work as an EMT.

[unique spruce]

Oooo, I like it!

[waxen sonnet]

Trying to work on the Lore friendly recruitment format from the SHD pre outbreak is always unique when you consider some of the folks they actually recruited:
With my two characters I went with, My Heavy Gunner is a former Parks Police CID Officer, My Medic Skill build was a Detective with a Background in the Cybercrimes division.

[glad spruce]

Okay, now I remember. Vikram's rescue and the Recruiter mission was released in late December last year.

Guess that explains why they released Hunted novel in early January this year

[remote tree]

Both div1 and div2 were national guard or fema folk

For my agents at least

[glad spruce]

Technically, CERA is the Division's version of FEMA

[ashen jungle]

Yep, div has a lot of things like that. Slightly modified names so they avoid legal issues and such.
e.g. the cop cars in NYC, and also the name of the DCD being a play on the CDC.

[waxen sonnet]

Not excluding Weapons across the franchise are renamed in one way or another or taken from now defunct companies to get around licenses

@glad spruce (Sorry for the ping buddy you're potentially away or alseep) Are you responsible for all the new Wiki additions regarding the books?

[glad spruce]

Yeah

[waxen sonnet]

Good Job Man. Real good articles on the likes of Thaddeus Greene (which is the one I spoted your style of writing on that made me ask)

[glad spruce]

Oh, that one was not me. Most of my focus is on Maira Kanhai and that page needs some work, tbh.

[waxen sonnet]

Huh, WELL Whoever did Greene's and your's writing style for the articles are the same

Cool either way to see those pages filled out

[glad spruce]

My focus is to add more details for Maira's page and do a detailed summary for each of the novels in their respective pages

[sick lantern]

careful what you put on there/how you word things, we don't want a Halo "wiki error becomes canon" moment

[waxen sonnet]

"the personal weapon of original First Wave Rogue Agent and egotistical sociopath Aaron Keener." - Whover wrote this segment of the Wiki is instantly a freind of mine now.

[glad spruce]

Hey, if an error of my own becomes canon in the Division universe, I'm fine with that lol

[remote tree]

Tru dat @glad spruce and @ashen jungle

[sleek plover]

Wait, so we stole Keeners fav weapon because he played dead right?

[glad spruce]

Probably

I don't know what's his personal weapon is

Also, considering the Golden Bullet GE coming next week, I think next season will come out June 11.

Coincidentally, June 10th is also where Ubisoft Forward event is happening

[sick lantern]

CMMG Banshee
although, in the flavour text for the Urban MDR from the first game, he endorsed that gun as a good choice so it’s weird that they didn’t callback the reference and have him use one.

[glad spruce]

I do like how Urban MDR and FAMAS became regular weapons when they were first added as Exotics

[sleek plover]

In the riker heavy weapons death quote, Benitez did mention that NYC gun control was tough

[glad spruce]

Whoever came up with the death quote for enemy units deserves a raise

[sleek plover]

"Sure. Great. Fine. Now they've got heavy weapons. Where the hell did they find them this god-forsaken island? NYC's gun laws are pretty strict."
ROY BENITEZ

So thats probably the reason why FAMAS and MDR was so rare back in NYC it was considered unique.

Meanwhile at Texas...

[tepid ibex]

Can't believe I just now thought about it, but there's a shit load of automatic weapons the factions have. It's not surprising for the LMB to have them, but everyone else?

[sick lantern]

TEC-9s are semi auto pistols converted to full auto, M4s, MP5s and P416s taken from police/national guard armouries, AKs and many others are handwaved as “Black Market”

[unique spruce]

I wouldn't even say hand waved. You'd be surprised what's around that's illegal, and how easy they are to access

[cold bramble]

are the two ortiz engineers/owners still alive?

[glad spruce]

We don't know yet.

[cold bramble]

Ohh they still with btsu as of now?

[glad spruce]

All we know they stayed in a bunker (probably a BTSU bunker) when the outbreak got started.

As to their current status, it remains unknown

I just realized something, NGN's latest video does explain how Keneer managed to hack the Warhounds during the Liberty Island mission

[cold bramble]

Ahh okay thanks

[waxen sonnet]

Gonna be a lot more to that trick this DLC I feel too.

[cold bramble]

wait wasn't there mention of a btsu bunker at the start of the season?

[glad spruce]

There were mentions of a bunker in one of Descent's comms where Cal chews out the Ortiz couple over ISAC getting an agent killed by marking her rogue.

[cold bramble]

ahh yeah that's it

[turbid crest]

Had anyone here ever made their own faction from the world of Division

[glad spruce]

Not really

[gaunt ice]

massive nerfed the mdr to semi auto😔

even a prick like him has standards

[glad spruce]

We all know if MDR, LVOA-C, and Lightweight M4 stayed as ARs, most people would've stayed using it forever 😛

Seriously, that guy Godsavant in the wiki really has been a lifesaver. He even polished the Ortiz Robotics page that I added a while back.

[sleek plover]

I really, really want to do this if Massive somehow add this as a function in div 3 or sth.

You get to choose which kind of members you have in your settlement etc...

[unique spruce]

Got one cooking on the back burner actually.

[gaunt ice]

famas is just lmw4 but ugly

[glad spruce]

FAMAS is an amazing weapon and I will not hear any slander against it

[gaunt ice]

but lwm4 and lvoac was peak

idk bout mdr tho tbh the gimmick was always weird to me

[unique spruce]

🇧ulpup

[glad spruce]

Bullpup weapons may not be ergonomic, but by god they're gorgeous

[sick lantern]

btw since you’re now in the business of editing the wiki could i suggest an edit to be made?

why wasn’t that a reply @glad spruce

[glad spruce]

What do you have in mind?

[sick lantern]

on the page for rogue agents it has a list of them
it lists bardon schaeffer as one because of the fight against him i was wondering if you could remove him lol
also, the rogue agent from falcon lost isn’t listed (she’s unnamed but she still has dialogue which makes her a character)

[glad spruce]

Working with fandom wiki templates ain't exactly my specialty, but I'll see what I can do.

[marsh sundial]

Thinking, are there reasonable rogue agents? Basically people who don't trust the feds but doesn't start eating babies the second their watch goes red

[glad spruce]

Depends on how you define reasonable

[sick lantern]

the division ARE the feds

i don’t even think you would need to be rogue for that. division agents have the authority to pursue their missions as they see fit more or less, as long as you don’t walk out on anything urgent and you aren’t actively hurting/hindering the cause, you probably could be a lone gun agent

[marsh sundial]

I mean the primary goal of the division is protection and in time restoration of the system. Not everyone agrees that the system should be saved in an 1:1 version

[sick lantern]

couldn’t you just have like
not accepted the recruitment offer then

[marsh sundial]

People change, end of the world changes people. Doubly so if you know everything the Sheriff knows

[unique spruce]

I sure hope the white house is cleaned up by the start of y6

[waxen sonnet]

Just when I was starting to find the Dead bodies art-deco you go and take them away from me 🙄

[glad spruce]

Lol

[unique spruce]

Dear Developers; I'd love more Ubisoft trinkets, especially ones I can put elsewhere. Having the Hidden Ones Dagger from Mirage holstered on the back of my armor would be sick

[ashen jungle]

This is more of a lore discussion channel than a request one, but either way the item would need to be specifically made for div2, you can't just take an item from one game and add it to div2.
especially when they use different engines entirely.

[unique spruce]

Oh I know lol. I dont expect anything I just like to make noise haha. Tho I will argue thats exactly what a model port is, one engine to another.

Anywho, Somethin about a new decent comm popped up on my ytube today?

[waxen sonnet]

New Rogue Agent Descent comm Just dropped within the last hour mate.
Seemingly a repeat? Seems Familiar to me.

||Talks about the Backdoor created by Mcmanus's watch being able to access all three systems||

[glad spruce]

Is it the one called Field Test: .50 Cal?

Cuz I got that one. And absurdy enough, the game took pity one me and I'm currently at 40 out of 52 comms. So I'm like 8 comms behind now.

So, about the latest comm I got. Field Test .50 Cal?

||Basically, Brian Johnson gives some feedback about the Operator Suit (you know the same suits that we use in Descent). Although McManus and Claire Ortiz appreciate it, they wanted to go further and tested .50 cal on Brian's suit, simulating heavy pain on him.||

[waxen sonnet]

Its Collectible 49: "Updates"

[glad spruce]

Yeah, I'm aware of that one. NGN got it a while back when he uploaded the first complilation of Descent comms.

I guess Rogue Agent didn't get that before, hence the comm he got this week was that one. Edit: Nvm, he did get it.

The one I got is Field Test .50 Cal

I'm honestly surprised that the game decided to up my Descent comms collection from what was 23 up to 40 (which includes the new one I got) considering I had a lot to catch up lol

I checked Rogue Agent's playlist and it looks like he finished his Descent comms collection

[glad spruce]

This comm is interesting

https://youtu.be/9vE98vS2xKY?si=XEHTeRX8BP2gTn8H

Cuz the mobile SHD server that Keener took with him has a phoenix logo on the briefcase.

So, either...
A - Alexander ignored Cal's feedback

B - That one is not made by Ortiz Robotics

[ashen jungle]

C - They got one of those Sticker packs off amazon and slapped it on there.

[glad spruce]

Probably

[ashen jungle]

I do sometimes wonder if at the end of the last game in the franchise, it's going to pull back and reveal that it's all taking place inside a snowglobe.

okay even for me that was obscure.

[glad spruce]

I know some don't care, but I've been really enjoying doing those Descent collectibles (even if almost everyone hates the game mode lol).

[waxen sonnet]

What if it was a Mobile SHD Server, stored within somewhere like a Hub, and only deployed post activation, they could be as blunt as they liked about the packaging as everyone in the place worked for the SHD 🤔

[wicked gorge]

The descent comns are basically describing the shd tech backstory, probably most casual players won’t care enough to look into it ( I find it funny tho Johnson got shot with a 50.cal round)

[glad spruce]

What better way to simulate pain in telemetric suits than a 50.cal round?

[wicked gorge]

Im hoping the round is a training round cause if those suits can survive a 50, then realistically were fucked

[glad spruce]

Pretty sure it's a training round, especially since the suits were made primarily for the Descent simulation

[turbid crest]

ooooo like what?

oh has anyone else created factions off of the Division universe? honestly i dont wanna be the only one

[wicked gorge]

So the descent comms are done now right?

[unique spruce]

Ended up being less short than planned, but still shorter than it could be haha

Traditional CAS is also available thanks to having secured a VANG airbase and recruited them

[tulip shale]

2 comms this week that's nice. 50/52 here, on track with the end of the season.

[turbid crest]

I now know what I'm missing from my homegrown factions

[glad spruce]

For some, yeah. Me, I'm catching up

[unique spruce]

Hmm?

[wicked gorge]

So did we ever find what operation nightmare was about or is it lost to history

[gaunt ice]

massive gaslighting operation

[glad spruce]

I do wonder if there's other references of Kelso being CIA in-game, cuz I know the earliest reference is an audio log from Y5S1: Broken Wings

[wicked gorge]

I think in the early lifespan of the game it’s brought up? I remember them talking about it before broken wings came out

[sudden mortar]

Iirc that is on Kelso's profile on the database section on the progression menu. The dossier mentions she was a CIA paramilitary officer.

[glad spruce]

Yeah, that part. Although I'm aware most people wouldn't read stuff from the database section of the collectibles.

I do enjoy reading Ellis memos, tho 😛

[wicked gorge]

I doubt this counts as lore, but I’ve been playing xdefiant and on one of the ghost recon maps, there is division tech just laying around…. coincidence I think not

[sick lantern]

they have Cleaners fighting on the streets of not-Cuba from Far Cry 6
XDefiant, formerly Tom Clancy’s, has no plot or worldbuilding

just iconography

[unique spruce]

Yeah I wouldn't look too far into it. It has Division based levels and the tech is probably just set dressing

Not to mention it's on the same engine

[lavish galleon]

A little too many

[glad spruce]

XDefiant is just a PvP shooter using other Ubi franchises as basis for the game's maps and characters.

Try not to look too much into it.

Besides, we do know Gordon Amherst is featured in Splinter Cell: Dragonfire novel, even though Splinter Cell and other Tom Clancy's franchises are set in a different timeline from the Division.

[gaunt ice]

I had to look up whats a phantom the other day

Jesus that’s old

[next hemlock]

Xdefiant also has the Echelon

[wicked gorge]

Nah bro, it’s apart of the cannon now

[ashen jungle]

I would totally use a cannon in xdefiant.

[astral sonnet]

We have cleaners, where's my incursion minigun chunga cleaner at

[glad spruce]

We Division agents killed em all. Sadge

[marsh sundial]

Goofy thonk, you can get one unreasonable manhunt featuring any Tom Clancy game, what do you pick?

[wicked gorge]

The rabbits

[marsh sundial]

Now I'm imagining rabbits dressed up like black tusks

My pick was the wolves. Just because "oh no we're about to get franked" is funny

[wicked gorge]

Nah if I know any group more terrifying than the Tom Clancy villains, it’s those little shits

[sick lantern]

HAWX

[marsh sundial]

I could work with that. The manhunt is targeting their supplies. Take out enough and they're grounded which becomes like shooting fish in a barrel

Bonus points you could have them flying over launching bombing runs on you

[glad spruce]

We got a Manhunt about rescuing civilians and a Manhunt involving investigating areas

Wouldn''t mind a Manhunt that involves sabotaging True Sons/Black Tusk infrastructure

[lavish galleon]

So its joe ferro who’s the announcer for the cleaners right? Or am I bugging out nvm it is lol

[fast wharf]

Joe is more dead than the roach i've burnt with a deodorant

[lavish galleon]

uhhh lmao santa blanca

[lavish galleon]

Nah it is joe lol

[fast wharf]

Dude just revived to announce an player got jumped

[lavish galleon]

Honestly, best announcer, I miss his old echelon ultimate callout though

[fast wharf]

I Wonder If revive hive is actually Canon to ingame cutscenes

If so, then it's probably a reason keener revived

Or he just survived with an fake death thing

There's actually something like that IRL

Where someone appears to die but they really didn't

[lavish galleon]

“i wasn’t on liberty island”

[fast wharf]

Nice COD reference there

[wicked gorge]

If your talking about Xdefiant than I doubt it, probably just a random cleaner watching the go pro footage and critiquing us

[lavish galleon]

Ehh one of the play of the game lines suggest its joe who’s watching us

[hexed skiff]

the engineers

[wicked gorge]

Out of curiosity, why would the division be in Alaska in your opinion

[gaunt ice]

isn't Alaska part of the US

[glad spruce]

Yes

It's also the coldest state in the US, which might also incite annoying people who want a return to their precious Div 1 atmosphere

[unique spruce]

Agent, the Moose have a stronghold at the indoor water park. Anchorage isn't going to be safe until you clear it out

[sick lantern]

trees+snow
nice environment

and it would be a unique scenario to see how division agents think/operate in part of the US not connected to the rest

[ashen jungle]

The big draw-card of a MSV product is the intricately detailed environment, especially with the div franchise as it's always very city focused
can you see an Alaskan city being on-par with NYC or DC?

[sick lantern]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

probably

[ashen jungle]

I've googled "alaskan city" and i honestly think someone just subbed in Fallout 4's Boston.

[unique spruce]

You can have an intricately detailed environment with a city focus anywhere. It doesn't have to be somewhere with loads of world renowned landmarks. I'm fact I'd say that could even be interpreted as a crutch if they can't make an enjoyable, detailed map without having tons of world famous landmarks

I'd love to get my hands on Silver Creek for that reason. Especially since it seems to be on div 2 engine already

[glad spruce]

Besides, I always wanted to know how the Division would operate in the outskirts of a state.

[unique spruce]

I agree. I want some smaller, less urban locals

[ashen jungle]

That'd just be Fary Cry then. Which even has a city or two now in 6 AFAIK.

[unique spruce]

The games play very different, but ok

Not to mention completely different themes, world building, and atmosphere

[ashen jungle]

What we're talking about is specifically the design of the map and how it influences the game world. Div is based off real world areas.
Heartland is not happening, although it wouldn't shock me if they fold elements of that map into xDefiant and/or Siege in the future.

Heartland was also not being made by MSV.

[unique spruce]

Just because it's not in a city doesn't mean it has to be designed like a FC open world. Division has always had closer to a 1-1 scale with maps. Far cry has a much lower scale where a town is like, 7 buildings and covers a vast area.

How they approached maps is very different, and I didn't think changing one aspect is going to turn one into the other

The maps are still going to have very different "vibes"

[ashen jungle]

Far Cry as a comparison was just an easy way to indicate that I don't think it suits the div franchise's design, not that i think it would literally be Far Cry.

although it is remarkably similar even if you go to the area near Tidal Basin, there's a distinct "this feels like it was cut from New Dawn/5" vibe.

[unique spruce]

Completely disagree

I've never even had a thought about it not feeling like the division anywhere in DC. The overgrown areas like the mall are a big reason it's my favorite map

I get where you're coming from. It's a matter of IP identity. But I don't think urban maps are what makes the Division, itself

[glad spruce]

Of course, what makes a Division map is subjective to some.

Because the way some people overhyoe Div 1's NYC, you'd think any map that doesn't have winter isn't properly a Division map

[unique spruce]

The other part of why I love DC is cause I hate winter lmao

raaagh I'm not a true Div fan

[glad spruce]

I'm not a big fan of winter, either. Which is why I like DC as well 😛

[sick lantern]

dont be mad just because it's untopped

[glad spruce]

The way I see it, both Division maps have different approaches.

Div 1 is during the height of the Green Poison, so it'sll dreary, desperate, and depressing with factions trying to make sense of the whole mess.

Div 2 is six months after the Green Poison, with overgrown areas, civillian settlements trying to survive with whatever resources and infrastructure they have, and factions with their own ideology trying to make their own mark

[unique spruce]

Alright alright alright. What about something in-between

Arizona, my favorite place in the US

Set it in Flagstaff and the surrounding nature. You have VERY ICONIC landmarks available like the red cliffs of Sedona, and the Grand canyon to the North, as well as a small urban center with Flagstaff.

With a followup dlc of the Phoenix area for that nitty gritty urban center

Or even flip it, and do Phoenix first, and have Flagstaff as a smaller dlc area

Doing Phoenix first actually makes.more sense probably

[glad spruce]

I think with Division 3, there's a certain expectation it'll continue where Div 2 leaves off

Suppose we do actually defeat Black Tusk in Div 2, what next? Do we take the fight against the corrupt US government officials?

[unique spruce]

If they go that path. Or we could deal with a completely different issue elsewhere

[ashen jungle]

I think it's safe to say that the next Season will lead into the DLC, which will be the biggest clue for what's yet to come still.