division-universe

[steep flame]

It 100% would have stated if it was Kelso

[sick lantern]

you never know these days

after johnson they should’ve been absolutely rushing to rip that hunter’s mask off

once he died

[mint citrus]

Inb4 agents we've worked with as far back as the base game are Hunters

[ashen jungle]

Sawyer as a Hunter would be my limit.
Call her mask "arrgh".

[mint citrus]

Sawyer, if you want to get real goofy w/it

Hell, the Sheriff is prime Hunter candidate material

[ashen jungle]

We're too smart to be a Hunter.

[mint citrus]

We don't eat, we don't sleep, we can run forever

We've wiped out entire battalions

[mint citrus]

How so?

[ashen jungle]

Hunters get within shotgun range when they're biggest weakness is a Scorpio, they also don't really use cover-to-cover.
also their fashion is way too edge-lord, which is by far the biggest sin.

[mint citrus]

That is fair, though their masks are dope

That's what fanfics are for

[wild lotus]

Where can I post a fanfic

[ashen jungle]

In another server.

the community one might have a space for it.

[wild lotus]

My fault gang

Just spitballing lore ideas

[ashen jungle]

We did use to lightly allow them, but a certain user posted multiple chapters and removed that option.

[mint citrus]

Ouch.

[wild lotus]

Multiple? How long

[ashen jungle]

tl;dr the entire page on here.

ya make rules for the people who break them, it's just an unfortunate reality.

but re: Hunters. I'm still unsure if the lore we've been getting recently in any way relates to what we used to assume about them before we had it.

[mint citrus]

The theories about them being a third wave were neat, albeit untrue

[royal viper]

mfw keener fooled the entire world just by stopping his breath for a few seconds

[wild lotus]

The hunters are a pretty cool idea but does anyone know for certain why they are trying to kill the agents if they are from similar agencies

[glad spruce]

Turns out when you make a failsafe against Division agents due to the whole organisation being fully autonomous and lacking accountability, you gotta make em silent psychopaths

[wild lotus]

So the homeland security actively kill agents because they just don’t like them

[wild lotus]

To be fair that’s probably who you’d want for hunters

[sick lantern]

mcmanus is just a prick ig

[glad spruce]

Ehh, not exactly. They send Hunters to deal with Agents who don't follow their mission (or at least the mission parameters as defined by Calvin McManus)

[wild lotus]

Valid

That’s lame on their part, I feel like the division mission is so open ended that it’s hard to set exact parameters

[sick lantern]

i honestly think the writers haven’t fully decided what mcmanus’ motivation is, is he lying to/manipulating the hunters etc

when you look at all the pieces of the plot he’s involved in he’s an undeniable villain

[wild lotus]

I think it would make more sense if McManus tried to kill the agents to replace them and gain power

[sick lantern]

yet the hunters are claiming they’re the ones on mission, so do they know that they’re working for the bad guy? or, presumably, does mcmanus not tell people that he’s the real traitor

or are they going to retcon (yes i said it once more) broken dawn and say that mcmanus isn’t entirely villainous

[sick lantern]

yea exactly, one would think that’s just what they do, but johnson is like “YOURE the rogues actually and we’re good. killing you with no provocation makes us right”

[wild lotus]

I just take that as empty justification, like they know they’re the bad guys but say that stuff anyway

[sick lantern]

because, how deep into indoctrination do you have to be, to think “ah these agents- who ISAC hasn’t marked rogue- are the real bad guys, and therefore, i am going to brutally murder them with an ax and then mutilate/hang up their corpse”

[wild lotus]

Wait so they help the rogues or no

[sick lantern]

they don’t, but i think they’re cool with them if they work with the black tusk

[wild lotus]

That doesn’t make any sense but yet it makes a lot of sense

Maybe the rogues share a power fantasy similar to McManus/black tusk and that’s why they’re chill. I guess the keener legacy is an example but still

[waxen sonnet]

"The Legless Drunk"

[glad spruce]

Tomorrow's the weekly reset, which means a new weekly Descent comm.

[cold bramble]

They still releasing descent comms? Is it like veil containment from destiny 2 in a way? For those who know what that is

[glad spruce]

Yes. There's 52 total Descent comms. And they've been releasing the comms on a weekly basis since Y5S1: Broken Wings

Basically, the comms go through the secret history of the simulation and Ortiz Robotics' connection to Division and Black Tusk

[glad spruce]

We're currently 44 of 52, as we speak, If I undertand correctly

[cold bramble]

Ohh so last one will wrap up the story behind it? Interesting

[glad spruce]

Probably. Or set up the next stories for the upcoming two seaons/DLC and beyond

[cold bramble]

Yeah true

I’m very interested to see what keener has got planned now though

[tall prism]

He might completely change isac

[cold bramble]

Yeah

I’m wondering if we’ll see any upgrades to isac or even implantation of Anna for our agent at some point

[ashen jungle]

I hope not, I don't want to see VO work being taken over by AI.

we're good at lots of things, but less Garrus is never the answer.

[surreal umbra]

@split glacier apparently keener, Parnell, Faye aren't evil

Seems to be the way the story is going

[civic path]

Faye will never be evil in my eyes

She just wanted to protect her sister 🥹

[split glacier]

Keener unleashed a fucking super virus, isn't Theo parnell one of his officers, and Faye one of his spies?

Literally all evil as evil can be

[surreal umbra]

Have you played this season's manhunt

[ashen jungle]

Keener tried to kill the entirety of the population of Manhattan.
all 30 people, but still.

[split glacier]

Not yet no, I don't even remember how to start manhunts

[surreal umbra]

I'd suggest playing that for more info

[split glacier]

Seriously though, they are all very pointedly and obviously evil

Like, that was the main point of wony, and the literal manhunt for Faye Lao

[ashen jungle]

One thing I actually quite like about div2 is that the bad factions aren't "misunderstood". They're just flat out moustache-twirling evil.

[surreal umbra]

And that's why there's a lot of divide with the ending to this manhunt

Some think it's great and interesting and some don't like it because it retroactively makes plot points redundant

[split glacier]

True sons are inciting insurrection, black tusk are mercenaries trying to steal the entire country, outcasts are plaguebearers trying to spread green poison, and hyenas are druggies

[ashen jungle]

Cleaners burn innocent people alive because they have hayfever.

[split glacier]

Cleaners are pyromaniac psychos and rikers are literal convicted felons

[storm crystal]

Not really. Even tho the revival of keener and parnell were a cheap trick i think ubisoft writing is pretty in line with their vision of moral ambiguity.

Faye and Keener are still not the good guys but people that wanted to do the right thing ending up doing bad stuff.
But sometimes you gotta do bad stuff to win over even badder people.

[ashen jungle]

Rikers wear red after labour day.

all equally monstruous.

[split glacier]

No lad, they are all very obviously evil

[civic path]

Joe ferro didn't die for this

[surreal umbra]

Barrett neither

[split glacier]

Faye Lao is a spy against the division, keener spread a virus that killed millions if not billions

[storm crystal]

Evil is Evil. Lesser, greater, middling… Makes no difference. The degree is arbitary. The definition’s blurred. If I’m to choose between one evil and another… I’d rather not choose at all.

😁

[split glacier]

Yeah but the division are obviously the good guys, so just support them

[civic path]

I think you're confusing Amherest and keener

[ashen jungle]

As someone who had to farm out Barrett's mission literally over 100 times, I am fully okay with removing her from existence.

[storm crystal]

The divison is also McManus

Its not black and white anymore

[ashen jungle]

McManus is going to be killed off before too long, don't worry.

Sokolova is a far more interesting villain than that weasel.

[split glacier]

Like, if I had to choose between druggies, plaguebearers, insurrectionists, mercenaries, psychopaths, and criminals, or the division, which saves lives, seeks a cure to the green poison, and actively combats the evil factions, I'm helping the division

[storm crystal]

And faye went rogue to prevent the president legitimate BTS as the military force of usa. She safed our asses by doing a crime killing the official president

[ashen jungle]

I mentioned this the other day and I'll reiterate it now: BT going forward are going to become more cult-like, mark my words.
They'll play up the fanatic angle.

[surreal umbra]

I thought BT were supposed to be the professionals

[split glacier]

White tusk are gonna be the fanatics

[ashen jungle]

One of the Kelso Manhunt comms calls BT a "death cult".
that and a few other background reasons is why I'm sure.

[split glacier]

I kinda want to see hyenas become a genuine threat tho

[storm crystal]

Even the BTS are not pure evil
Bardon Shaeffer is part of BTS and wanna help us

[split glacier]

Have them make some super drug that makes rushers into near zombie like killing machines that eat 50 cal rounds

[ashen jungle]

They're music is pretty good.

[surreal umbra]

Good luck to Schaeffer trying to help us from his eternal slumber

[split glacier]

Didn't Schaeffer order the white house to be nuked

[storm crystal]

I like blackpink more 😄

[surreal umbra]

Nah that was wyvern I think it was a missile of some sort

[ashen jungle]

For the record, it's BTSU, black tusk special unit. It's basically their special forces.

[storm crystal]

Nope hes in coma since s3 or so

[civic path]

Wyvern got a little unhinged at the end of tidal basin

[ashen jungle]

During OG Tidal Basin, Schaeffer specifically told Wyvern to not bomb the White House.

[split glacier]

Oh yeah

[ashen jungle]

That was before they stole the stuff from the lab under it, we can only assume that's why.

[split glacier]

I do really want a raid featuring hyenas tho, them working on some new super drug in the shadows would be an interesting plot point

[civic path]

She assumed it was a bunker that's bomb proof maybe

Fallout shelter type shit

[ashen jungle]

Make it a tie-in to Dune and you've got yourself a merchandising opportunity right there.

[ashen jungle]

Nah she was just a nutter who got angry that she was losing people.

[storm crystal]

What still annoys me how little sense i can make off Keener wanting to bomb manhatten with eclipse... I know reset blah blah but it still doesnt make sense for his char :S

[split glacier]

No, like thr hyenas saw that everything has been going to shit so they capitalized on the chaos, stole new supplies and scientists, and made some near zombifying drug for their rushers

[ashen jungle]

Never seen Dune I take it.

[split glacier]

I have not no

[ashen jungle]

the Hyena drug is literally named after the one from Dune.

[split glacier]

Is it?

[ashen jungle]

Spice.

[split glacier]

I thought spice was a spore reference

[civic path]

He always did dumb stuff for no reason like allowing hornets to fight us back in div 1 just to "see what we're capable of"

[storm crystal]

Theres still the Atombomb plot with the outcast and Nat which probably gonna be of importance

[ashen jungle]

Nope, Spice is from the 1965 novel.

[split glacier]

The outcasts have a fucking atom bomb?

[storm crystal]

I feel like Nat wanna pull a "fallout shelter" on the world

[split glacier]

That should be taken a lot more seriously

[surreal umbra]

Id imagine the hyenas would all end up like guild navigators if they got their hands on dunes spice

[civic path]

I always imagined a named suicider from the outcasts that goes through your OSP

[split glacier]

I'll join back on this tomorrow, I'm gonna sleep

Night guys

[surreal umbra]

God forbid you tap his chest with a pistol

[storm crystal]

Yea its something Nat is working on. Birdie said in some coms that nat has given her tasks to check on underground city stuff

[ashen jungle]

The fact that there's no reference to Worms in the Hyena's Snitch Cards disappoints me more than it should.
Even Fat Boy Slim would do.

[split glacier]

Yeah I don't think the diseased cult should have a literal Manhattan project

We should get on that

[civic path]

It's i believe the only major faction enemy type that doesn't have a named version of it

[surreal umbra]

Oof

[ashen jungle]

Took me nearly 10 years to realise that was a Dune reference.

[split glacier]

Give me a hyena raid based around this "perfected batch", the final boss takes some as a hail Mary and becomes this near invulnerable fucker with a scrap minigun

[ashen jungle]

You know, a Nuke plot would work for the future actually. Gotta raise the stakes.

[storm crystal]

I dont want to set the wooorld on fire 🎶 i just want to start a flame in your heart

💣

[ashen jungle]

now I just want a Fallout TV tier show for div.

can we forget the movie and do that instead?

[surreal umbra]

A show seems like a way better idea than a film

Way more room for story depth and things

Div's got a pretty rich world

Figuratively anyway

[sick lantern]

no
in the novel Recruited, ||rogue agent Rowan O’Shea co opts the assistance of some Outcasts for an attack on a Division Core. part of this is launching an attack with radiological materials on St. Louis. the Outcasts were basically just her mooks (and this also isn’t the first time someone here has referred to dirty bombs as nuclear weapons, which they aren’t)||

||maybe a highly scheming Outcast secured some radioactive material and brought it back to DC, dipping before the attack on the Core, but there shouldn’t be a second sun over DC any time soon||

[glad spruce]

Yeah, what webkinz said.

A dozen of the comms from Stovepipe Manhunt were mainly his Lieutenants concerned about the radiation effects. And of course, Sokolova trying to reassure them

[waxen sonnet]

Sokolova is the kinda woman to stand at Chernobyl and tell us it's fine though let's be honest

[glad spruce]

I mean, considering she revealed blueprints for underground cities to Birdie, then yeah, tha ttracks

[waxen sonnet]

I presume we'll meet one of those cities in the DLC otherwise it's a very obscure reveal

[glad spruce]

I'm thinking it more of a Div 3 thing

[waxen sonnet]

I think they have a habbit of wrapping up stuff by the end of the game so I think btsu will be killed off by year 6

[sick lantern]

i think/hope that in div 3 they’ll shelf the black tusk and reintroduce them for the dlc, same they did with div 1 factions and keener in div 2

[waxen sonnet]

I'd agree

[glad spruce]

Got the latest Descent comm. Nothing important, but it does give some context it was set in the early days, way before the green poison.

||Basically, Claire pitches the ANNA AI to her husband Alexander, using an algorithm that allows it to automatically sift through data without the need for intel analysts. And in case ANNA detects a hostile threat, they use biometrics and voice recognition to recognize the speaker.||

[waxen sonnet]

That sounds like one that's already been covered, weird they seem to almost backtrack certain things

[glad spruce]

If I'm gonna and see if the Youtube guy who posts the logs individually already has it posted.

I checked and it was uploaded 15 minutes ago. The comm is called proof of concept.

So yeah, it's a new one.

[waxen sonnet]

Rogue Agent will likely have it shortly so I'll give it a listen

[glad spruce]

It's already uploaded, so you can check it now

[waxen sonnet]

Ah right, Ty.

[sick lantern]

this is the lore channel

[storm crystal]

sorry and thanks for the reminder! 😄

[glad spruce]

As of this week, if I'm correct, we're currently 45 of 52 Descent comms

Assuming they don't add more comms for the game mode next season, we should be able to finish it early Y6S1

I'm aware some players are already ahead in the comms collection, though I doubt they're willing to share what's in them 😔

[wicked gorge]

Underground vault people make the upper cities go boom?

[limpid monolith]

Considering that Hunters are somewhat like Agents, why couldn't we seize the hacking system or technologies from their person after eliminating a Hunter?

Is it a specialized protocol hidden within the ISAC watches they stolen or wear? Or does the technology just self destruct upon their death?

If it could be seized and reversed engineered for our use, it would prove to be a great asset against Black Tusk and their contingent of Hunters.

[steep flame]

Most people don't canonically survive a hunter.

[wicked gorge]

Used in a manhunt and basically forgotten

[split glacier]

hey so i got a lore question

arent the outcasts communists

[glad spruce]

Uh.... No?

[split glacier]

theres never a mention of them having money, or any sort of trade

[glad spruce]

Their whole deal is indiscriminately killing cuz they see who's not them complicit in their suffering and thus deserve to die.

[gaunt ice]

its a post apocalyptic state where people form factions to survive

and the first thing you think of is "these guys vaguely resemble communism"?

idk man

Primed Reach material right there

[split glacier]

i just really want an excuse to blast "aint i right" by marty robbins

[ashen jungle]

I googled the song and its a pro vietnam war anthem.
Talk about being on the wrong side of history.

Okay I regret googling it. I now hate that singer.

[gaunt ice]

its funny how Unfortunate Son being an anti Vietnam war song gets used as a USA USA USA song everytime theres a montage

[limpid monolith]

All I know is that half of the Outcasts are very, very combustible.

Sometimes metaphorically, like Emeline, but more often than not literally.

[ashen jungle]

Fortunate Son and Born in the USA are pretty much that to a T lol.
now I'm wondering what song each faction would pick to represent themselves.

[storm crystal]

Outcasts probably "Where is my mind?" by pixies
Hyenas song ...mhhh "Cocain Cowboys" by Wasp
Rikers is easy "Jailhouse rock"
Cleaners "Rings of fire"
True Sons ..hm the battle hymn of the republic

[astral veldt]

Speaking of music i get star spangled banner stuck in my head all the time because the P.A. system in the white house uses the first three notes at the beginning of their announcments. I'll catch myself humming it after a broadcast and it drives me nuts

[marsh sundial]

I'm wondering how do you do a division movie? Either set it up with sequel bait or cut a lot of plot down

[sick lantern]

deal with cleaners, rikers and LMB, rogue agent (and hunters?) stuff in the background, end with the epic general assembly battle and keener sequel bait

seems relatively viable for 2 ish hours

[waxen sonnet]

Typical Raider Mentality, Kill and loot for one "cause" or another, no political view, Just the primal nature of man as history has shown plenty of time

[sick lantern]

imo of any faction in Div the Outcasts are probably the closest to being described as communist they are essentially a commune of a sort?
or rather second closest considering the Reborn lol but in game

they give me that vibe, no one will trade with them, a lot of camaraderie and trust and stuff. unless they use shards of broken glass as a currency

[glad spruce]

They do seem to be willing to work with Rogue Agents, tho.

[waxen sonnet]

I think if people are reaching to fit political Ideologies to certain factions they're overthinking them. Outcasts don't trade with anyone because nobody can trust them nor do they want to be near them given some of them are literal walking bio-weapons, and to counter that they don't try and trade because the mentality is to kill and take from those who "deserve it"

[sick lantern]

i don’t mean to say they fully subscribe to communism or whatever i’m just sayin

[deep bloom]

hi

[waxen sonnet]

No I get that, I mean it's uh (And nobody taking it as an insult here) somwhat American based to say "The Bad guys seem Communist!" where as others just go "Nah, Raiders".

Hi Riley, Welcome to the Lore Channel.

[split glacier]

You would be correct, I am an american

[waxen sonnet]

Yes, I thought as much 😅 . Speaking as the British here, European's dont really use "Communist" as a denotion of good or bad etc since the end of the cold war.

[split glacier]

I'm just calling it like I see it tho, no established system of currency or trade, they just share shit as it's needed, kinda communist man

[split glacier]

I'm not either, I'm just saying the outcasts seem like literal communists

[waxen sonnet]

I dont honestly think they need trade or Currency given They kill and loot for supplies, they'd not exactly have many willing people to trade with them either. I would suspect between growing there own food (seemingly given what look like makeshift greenhouses) and looting, they're sourcing enough means to survive through that way, and frankly given there members are used as walking Bio-weapons and suicide bombers, I suspect there turn over of members is going to be a lot less than the likes of the Milita/JTF Settlements.

Mind you none of the locals have a Currency outside of what we use for gameplay purposes.

[split glacier]

Ok but Jack you see where I'm coming from here

[sick lantern]

it’s just the cult stuff gives off more “cooperative” (with themselves) vibes
that’s how cults thrives, becoming isolated communes

[waxen sonnet]

Honestly no Sleepy, cant say I get it, I do however see it from Webkinz point of view when they words it this way.

[split glacier]

They live in communes, they're at war with everyone else because they believe they're some oppressed class, they take other people's shit and redistribute stuff amongst themselves with no known system of currency, trade, etc.

I can swe where webs coming from

But you can't say you don't at least vaguely see my point

[waxen sonnet]

Eh, Opressed was less class based and more "you hurt us so we'll hurt you"

[split glacier]

You at least vaguely see my point though

[waxen sonnet]

Very, Very Vaguely. But thats ok, because not seeing point to point lets us see things at different ways to others so we see things others might miss (Or in mine and @glad spruce get things very wrong all together 👀 )

[split glacier]

Another thing, they use soviet russian military strategies

[sick lantern]

ok that might be a bit too literal with it lol

[split glacier]

I.E., just throw more people at the bullets until they run out of bullets

[split glacier]

I mean maybe but you see my point

[waxen sonnet]

Yeah I politley think you're taking things a bit too much of a stretch/Literally now Sleepy I must be honest.

[split glacier]

Thats fair but I'm still gonna believe it

[wicked gorge]

It’s all making sense now

Now we just need a very patriotic team of agents to invade the outcast again

[split glacier]

Exactly

[wicked gorge]

I volunteer as tribute

[ashen jungle]

There's actually one in production, or at least kinda in production.

[wild lotus]

Could also do it like the books and just make a new character

With only cameos and small parts taken from the main game

[ashen jungle]

Considering it has some major hollywood actors in it, the safe bet is that it's going to be a re-telling of div1.

[wild lotus]

Oh is the details on it already released

Or at least actors

[ashen jungle]

a couple of the big ones, the lead being Jake Gyllenhaal.

[sick lantern]

the director confirmed some years ago it was based on division 1

[ashen jungle]

Who I can see as Keener, although I will miss Hopkins performance.

[wild lotus]

Ok that’s definitely a keener

[ashen jungle]

Jessica Chastain as well, who I assume will be Kandel.

[wild lotus]

If Jake is keener is it safe to say that it will focus on keener

[ashen jungle]

Well not necessarily, he's played villains before and quite well.
shout out to Nightcrawler.

If you google for the cast it mentions Nic Cage but IMDB doesn't, so I'm going to assume that google is right here because I desperately want Cage as Joe Ferro.

[wild lotus]

That would be pretty cool

[ashen jungle]

I don't think he has the right accent for it, but it can't possibly be worse than Hitman 2007.

[wild lotus]

I don’t like when adaptations try and cram in all the “main things” of a game in less than 2 hours

Like what made division so great was when it was slowly revealed what happened through missions and stuff to the mystery of New York and the first wave

But I hope that they don’t make the classic mistake of “gasp Aaron keener! And he’s joined by none other than joe ferro, the LMB and the rikers?!”

Hopefully I’m making sense

[ashen jungle]

That's what I keep saying yeah, just make it a series instead of a movie.
even a short one.

[wild lotus]

A series would be way better

[ashen jungle]

Last of Us movie would've been awful, Last of Us series won like, 30 emmy's.

[wild lotus]

Good point

Also the fallout show being a series is what convinced my mom to watch it lol

So could appeal to a larger audience for sure

[steep flame]

Having people familiar with the games also helped.

[ashen jungle]

I mean it does, but a good show means that you can watch it and enjoy it without even knowing that they exist.

Cousin of mine loves it, has never played a video-game in their life.

[hallow topaz]

Sandra Oh as Faye Lau?

[ashen jungle]

I've only seen her in Greys Anatomy and the image of her in that as Lau is genuinely really funny.

[steep flame]

Oh for sure. My partner didn't know anything about fallout and she loved the show. I was losing my mind over all the easter eggs and references.

[wild lotus]

Exactly

[wild lotus]

Crapped myself when the prydwen and NCR showed up. I was the only one in the room that got excited😂

[hallow topaz]

Yeah, i was thinking who could play Faye Lau (someone from expandable or a kung fu movie who is badass), but the first thing that came up to me was "that one doctor from that hospital serie"😂

[steep flame]

I went bonkers when they mentioned the water chip breaking.

[wild lotus]

Lolol that too

[ashen jungle]

Okay back to div though.
Michelle Yeoh is my default for playing Lau, but she might be too high-end for this.

the real question: who for Rhodes?

[steep flame]

Bill burr

[ashen jungle]

I take it back, he's Nic Cage.

although I will take Burr for Rick Valassi.

[steep flame]

Oooh. That fits pretty well.

[hallow topaz]

Kurtwood Smith as Paul Rhodes
(Red from that 70's show)

[ashen jungle]

You should watch Robocop, might cast him as a different role.

although he's way too old either way.

[steep flame]

But who will play the titular Alex?

[hallow topaz]

He's good for playing a villain or grumpy old good guy

And General Bliss?

I think Clancy Brown

[hallow topaz]

Do you mean who is "they killed Alex" Alex?

[ashen jungle]

I believe Ed Begley Jr has been cast as well, I assume he'll be the POTUS who dies or Bliss.

[steep flame]

Nah bro. The other Alex. The one in new york

[hallow topaz]

Idk, but the "they killed Alex" Alex should be Danny Trejo😂😉

[steep flame]

Oh absolutely. I agree 100%

[hallow topaz]

Jeff Bridges would be sick as Bliss, especially as how he looks in Iron Man

[wicked gorge]

You against the brotherhood?

[wild lotus]

Fallout 3 and 4 were only brotherhood playthroughs

I love the brotherhood

New Vegas’ chapter sucked though so I went with NCR

[late void]

weren't the Fallout 4 brotherhood a bit fascist/supremacist? Anti-ghoul, anti-mutant, anti-synth, no moral flexibility

[wicked gorge]

Am I detecting non ad-Victoriam in your voice initiate?

But yes they were

[next hemlock]

Smthing like that

[wicked gorge]

You can get the NCR to work with the brotherhood in nv

[sick lantern]

@frank spoke the LMB we’re trying to establish a pseudo-fascist warlord state, very unlikely a government agency would officially work alongside them (and that’s not even counting the war crimes and etc)

[wicked gorge]

Didn’t they work with the Jtf during the beginning of the outbreak?

[sick lantern]

and in terms of the “second wave doing what the first wave couldn’t”- the first wave weren’t really trying
after the DZ pullout they turn on themselves, go rogue and start killing each other, not supporting the JTF and subtly supporting the LMB with tech and intel, this is why the JTF’s power dwindles over the days/weeks
the first wave lost the DZ and gave up on the city, the second wave arrived to the city in peril and didn’t give up- if the first wave didn’t get Keener’d there likely wouldn’t have needed to be a second wave

[wild lotus]

That’s what I did

But was very tempted to blow them up

[wicked gorge]

Yeah I had to do that in my first play through since I instated the other guy as elder

[wild lotus]

Yeah but they broke off almost immediately after things got out of control

[wicked gorge]

I need to revisit the Divison 1 and listen to the comns again, it’s been a long ass time

[wicked gorge]

That’s a paramilitary for you

[wild lotus]

Yeah it’s pretty funny just how fast they were like yeah nope and just started killing people

[wicked gorge]

Well when money becomes useless and the JTF handle the initial outbreak very poorly, i dont blame them for desertion since at that point survival is priority

I kinda want to see a alternate universe where the JTF were actually able to lockdown the dark zone and never lose control over manhattan

[waxen sonnet]

There's youtube videos for that because 🙋‍♂️ never played 1 so I spent ages watching Div 1 stuff to learn lore on it so im not missing out.

[wicked gorge]

That’s the easy way, I gotta return to my roots

[wild lotus]

Discovering Amherst was dead was so cool for 10 year old me

[frank spoke]

The LMB was the muscle that the NYC-JTF needed to actually contain the situation, but the JTF leadership at that time didn't recognize the scope of the problem. They transitioned from treatment mode to containment mode way too late. Bliss and Ridgeway, despite being power-hungry sociopaths, understood the problem's trajectory better. Arguably, even Bliss was slow... he should have pulled his men out way earlier, not gotten stuck on Manhattan guarding corp assets of financial companies that became worthless.

[glad spruce]

And a fitting end for his type of character, tbh

[wild lotus]

I liked the choice to kill him, and I liked it even more that he basically did it on purpose

Added some respect to his insanity

[wicked gorge]

Its more poetic for his character, he created the virus to kill off humanity to give earth a chance at survival, and when he contracted green poison he accepted his fate

[glad spruce]

Y'know, I just checked the wiki page for the Remission comic and it turns out it was released 5 years ago in french language, right around Div 2's release.

So it's not anything important or such.

[gaunt ice]

even if treatment wasn’t an option the next option by the suggestion of the LMB was to shoot them like dogs and burn the corpses,the former more severe

it is the “logical” option but that sounds pretty inhumane if you ask me

Ridgeway at one point ordered his men to stop using medical supplies on the wounded as they are “disposable” to him
HIS wounded men

but wasn’t he the same man who went rogue because he “cares” about his subordinates?
sounds like a hypocrite to me

[sleek plover]

damn I hate LMB

The only enemy faction worth sympathizing are outcasts and rioters

[ashen jungle]

I guess it beats arguments about why Keener trying to commit mass genocide is good.
I'll bite, why are Rioters and Outcasts sympathetic?

I can kinda squint and see the latter to an extent, but the former?

[glad spruce]

Hypocrisy. Humanity's greatest virtue /hj

[sleek plover]

I didnt meant that "they would be sympathetic, but rather i can sympathize with them.

As for rioters...well...they were the only factions i liked in div 1 because they don't have toxic ideology like cleaners and LMB does. Rikers claim they are fighting for those abandoned by society, but that pretty much is a pretense to loot from the weak and vulnerable.

As for rioters, they are basically desperate and starving people.

[ashen jungle]

You should replay some of the Rioters focused missions in div1, they 100% were not just desperate and starving people, they were capitol C crazy.

[late void]

Eh, to my mind rioters were defined by the fact they turned straight to violence to solve their problems

[glad spruce]

I still remember whole articles and discussions back during Div 1's release about how evil it is for SHD Agents shooting down rioters. Acting like rioters are desperate people trying to survive.

[ashen jungle]

click-baits gonna click-bait.

[waxen sonnet]

Pumps shotgun with malicious intent

[sick lantern]

i saw a video once from like 2021 actually a guy saying the same thing
“we don’t know the whole story here, this isn’t good these guys probably aren’t so bad!” was his general take on rioters… don’t really think you need to see “the whole story” when you shoot and kill and innocent man to steal medicine, kidnap doctors and execute the sick, etc.
he also lost interest basically as soon as the cleaners showed up something about muh realism

he also compared the Division being activated to a scene of some weird cult being activated and murdering people from some movie

[glad spruce]

I feel like some people act weird when it comes to the Division as a whole, story wise

[sick lantern]

very much so

[waxen sonnet]

A lot of the time people who can find excuses for the blatantly bad acts are just as concerning if they'd believe the same in a real world situation

Rioters,Cleaners, Outcasts etc even the Hunter's have separate motives and reasons behind their actions but still they're inherently evil.

[steep flame]

At the end of the day. The division is just the ugly duckling scapegoat.

[glad spruce]

And the Black Tusk is busy presenting themselves as the golden goose.

Even though they're wolf in sheep's clothing

[sick lantern]

so effective at it that somehow people in real life fell for it

[glad spruce]

I remember a comment on the video that NGN made about unmasking the Recruiter where it claimed Black Tusk are the good guys.

So that tracks

[hallow topaz]

Good or bad I'm with Thanos..I mean Gordon Amherst.

[glad spruce]

Does he really matter at this point? He got what he wanted

Especially since the real problem is Black Tusk and whether Nat gets her hands on the US nuclear arsenal to unleash a nuclear holocaust.

[hallow topaz]

Does she really wants to do that or does she wants the power to do it?
I mean Amherst already did it right, or does she wants to destroy what is currently being build by the ones that adapt to the situation?

[glad spruce]

As a last resort, probably.

The first insurance policy comm from Faye during Season 9 had her talk about trying to securing "the button". Lost Ellis Memos from Season 4 talk about not wanting to give the button to Nat and trying as much as possible to prevent it. And in this current season, one comm have Keener and Parnell sharing their doubts about inserting Lau to Black Tusk so they can prevent Sokolova from remaking the world in her image.

It's not explicitly mentioned, but there are hints that Nat wants control of the nuclear arsenal.

[hallow topaz]

Oh oke, yeah I heard that as well.
I thought you knew something from the books lore.

[waxen sonnet]

Who holds the nuclear codes anyway if a President is dead?

I presume someone in the USAF?

[glad spruce]

No idea, tbh

But what if McManus becomes president? 🤔

[sick lantern]

i presume ellis hid the football somewhere idk

[wild lotus]

I think it’s impressive how the factions actually make sense and aren’t just “evil guys” “racist guys” etc

Reminds me of stalkers factions in some way

And as for the division factions most of them are actually evil but it’s definitely realistic kinda, I mean from the cleaners POV they’re literally just cleaning stuff. outcasts want revenge. The rikers and stuff are obviously just evil, same with hyenas. But most of them make sense

True sons making their own faction because they think the government doesn’t have the gull to do what’s necessary

[waxen sonnet]

I presume thats what its preluding, They killed off enough of the government to install him as puppet.

[glad spruce]

I do remember some people took issue with Outcasts. Feeling like they're too fanatical to make sense

[waxen sonnet]

Yes, 100%

[wild lotus]

They make sense if you view the outcasts as all the people that were in that quarantine. If you think they recruit people, then yeah I agree they are way too fanatical

[waxen sonnet]

Outcasts honestly dont strike me any different to other fanatics or cults in other games, they're believable in the setting.

[wild lotus]

Suspension of disbelief ig

[glad spruce]

To me, Outcasts seems like a thesis about how grief and indoctrination can poison a person

[wild lotus]

Yeah I can get behind that. I forgot were they actually a cult? I’m pretty sure they were just extremely salty about their treatment during quarantine right

[wild lotus]

Very good description imo

[waxen sonnet]

I think they were more formed via manipulation of there pain into hate into what could be seen as either a cult or radical extremism

[wild lotus]

Okay cool, it’s been a really long time since I’ve played lol

[glad spruce]

That being said, Outcasts do fit in the context of the setting.

Of course, with Emeline dead, The Strategist under Black Tusk's custody, and many high-ranks dead, the faction is lost and in need of direction.

[sick lantern]

“cult of personality” is probably accurate

[frank spoke]

My gripe with Emeline and the Outcasts is that they think their pain/suffering is the only pain that matters. By this point in the story, everybody has lost somebody.

[glad spruce]

Hence why I believe their indoctrination and grief poisoned them.

[wicked gorge]

I wish the hunters in div 2 had there div 1 executions

[frank spoke]

I just got axe-murdered today, it was great!

[waxen sonnet]

People not entirely understanding of the conversation a re gonna be sitting there like:
👁️ 👄 👁️

[wicked gorge]

Have they fixed the issue with the Kelso 5 note?

You know NGN made a good point, why didn’t we take keeners body after we killed him

[frail vault]

no

[cold bramble]

Very good question

[glad spruce]

What if that Keener we killed was actually a body double? Y'know, the fireman that Keener saved?

[storm crystal]

Another good question:
Why took Keener the risk to get headshotted just like that - can happen in any combat situation. Even Shaeffer said thats what his helmet is for. Keener is a very calculating person and probably wouldnt do this.

So it wasnt keener and they tricked ISAC with a double...?
Then this would lead to the question who the hell can fight like a division agent on that level of Keener and would happily die for him...? makes no sense aswell.

To me thats a plothole we just have to eat up i think - just the same way we had to live with this strange out of character ending of WONY for keener.

🤷‍♂️

Its funny tho
cause i think with reviving keener they tried to undo the unsatisfying ending of WONY for keener - but by closing one plothole they opened another 😄

I just hope it was worth it and he gets a badass ending or smth

[glad spruce]

Anyways, what you guys think what a Mobile SHD Server look like? Cuz I think the package that Keener took from that crate was a mobile server

[storm crystal]

I just played the Agent Johnson White Oak mission and manny told me to use the mobile shd server.
So i guess it could totaly fit in that case and story wise it would make sense to be some form of server/AI/Network.
Maybe a DIAMOND server 🤔

but maybe its just McManus birthcertificates ... :B

[glad spruce]

vERY FUNNY

[storm crystal]

as we know presidents without tham can get in trouble hehe

[wicked gorge]

I think a mobile shd server is like the servers in Jefferson trade center and require a terminal like the one keener took

[storm crystal]

🥶

[wicked gorge]

Plot twist, keeners twin brother was on liberty island and he called in a solid for never repay him his 20 bucks for a sandwich he bought him

[remote tree]

NGN cooked these past days

[wicked gorge]

I do t think he’s done a bad video ever, im not sure tho, but he is cooking

[cold bramble]

Who here agrees with keener and why? I’m curious to hear your opinions

[glad spruce]

I do agree that something needs to be done about Sokolova and McManus, and that we need to get a head start. That don't mean I'll forget or forgive for what he's done.

Considering the state we're in, we barely managed to stop the Black Tusk attacking the White House. We won't be lucky next time on our own.

[storm crystal]

tbh theres nothing to agree with keener because his motives/goals are just what we as division agents should do anyway
BTS killed the president Mendez to install president Ellis and shemed with McManus
So taking them down is probably your rightful mission anyway

Its just about the how

[cold bramble]

That’s a fair point

I’m honestly stuck between how I feel

[mint citrus]

They brought back Keener, but Faye's still dead as a doornail. Or is she?

[tall prism]

She's definitely gone 😂

[sick lantern]

i was about to say basically the same thing lol
he doesn’t have the moral high ground or anything, but his acts have given him the tactical advantage

[mint citrus]

Nah I'm bettin' she's - yep

[tall prism]

lol, what I'm wondering is what Schaeffer is gonna do, we have him, while he's in a coma, maybe he'll help to secure hist safety

[mint citrus]

He'll wake up and we'll just tell him, "Hey, we know already. Been workin' on stuff."

[tall prism]

Yeah 😄, maybe he'll tell us stuff we need to know about BT and the hunters, maybe McManus

[wicked gorge]

Keeners right, but execution wise is where most hop off the train

[wicked gorge]

He’s gonna help us into the bunker, then manny is gonna shoot him

[tall prism]

Probably lol, unless he joins us, but that's a big step

[wicked gorge]

I don’t think manny would allow it, if he survives then either he’ll lead the black tusk and unite the division and BT after Sokolova and McManus die, or he’ll be arrested for crimes against the United States

[surreal hearth]

I got a feeling that the division and rogues are most likely gonna work together for a far dangerous faction so basically no more solo divisions this time

And no more stabbing each other

The term rogue is just irrelevant at this point

Prefer to be called renegade instead

It’s clear that cal has dangerous power and manipulation over the diamond watch meaning that we do need the rogues for this fight

[sick lantern]

yea, cannon fodder can be pretty useful

[surreal hearth]

And with nat creating too many unlimited expendable units of black tusk along with true sons and the hunters it’s just gonna get more and more dangerous

But now since keener has the mobile shade server and cloned our ISAC there’s no telling what’s going to happen

[sick lantern]

i daresay that natalya treats the average BT soldier as expendable and has repeatedly shown to require the intervention of a Hunter at pivotal moments makes her less dangerous, not more

frankly natalya herself is on a bit of an L streak rn

[wicked gorge]

Sounds a little Russian 🤔

[storm crystal]

Oh i wouldnt trust Keener one inch tho

The moment we think we can - he uses our trust against us

[surreal hearth]

Agreed but then when that happens an squad of hunters pop in unannounced and kill both division and rogue at the same time

And yes keener went seriously too far with his eclipse virus and go knows if that stuff ever comes back to haunt us again

So in a way keener pretty much saved us from something we weren’t prepared for

[remote tree]

The enemy of my enemy is unfortunately my friend
Keener seems to be the lesser of two evils, to an extent

[kind hare]

💯

[frank spoke]

Nah, Keener manipulated the F out of his fellow rogues in the base WoNY story… can’t trust him even a little.

[kind hare]

Or is that just want we've been led to believe, based on the comms that he knew we were receiving?

[frank spoke]

Keener manipulated Conley and the Cleaners by dangling Chernenko, saying BT was keeping him, even though he had the guy the whole time

Then he straight up threatened Dragov and his Rikers to get the mats he needed… I guess you call that extortion

[ashen jungle]

Keener being manipulative is his entire character, going all the way back to div1.
There was a thingy somewhere in div1 that says ~ "as a former Futures Trader, Keener always believed he was the smartest man in the room".

Both of those facts combined has me 90% sure that Keeners endgame plan is going to be bored ape crypto scams.

[frank spoke]

Yep… he’s just playing everybody against each other… wouldn’t be surprised if he was the one to tip off the JTF/Division about Chernenko’s location

[kind hare]

Hey Rivens!
Yeah Keener is definitely not a "good guy".
While I believe his intensions are to bring down Nat, after this is done... who knows

[ashen jungle]

oh hey engi
He was 100% aware of Kelso's drone over Coney, whether that's because it was a plan between the two of them or that's just a fact afterwards, I'm not really sure.

Wall Street bro jokes aside, Keener is 100% going to try and "rule". I think we all knew that was coming. I think that's how they're going to justify his actions at Liberty Island's final area.

[frank spoke]

His rule, if it could happen, would not be stable

[kind hare]

Not as stable as Nat/Cal's to be fair

[frank spoke]

He’d have to get rid of all the remaining do-gooders

[kind hare]

I still don't think he wants to rule.
I think he wants a re-set of of the current way of doing things, but I don't get the feeling that he wants to be in charge or anything like that.

[ashen jungle]

There's a line in one of the Kelso Manhunt comms where someone calls BT a "deathcult". It was something of a joke at the time, but it does spark up an old theory of mine that being the direction that BT are going to go in the future.
It would also explain why they're so into BT even when they keep getting thrashed at every turn, canonically and gameplay-wise.

There's more to the idea than that of course, but it does open up some new avenues for game direction and a potential enemy faction for div3.

[frank spoke]

Maybe we need to zoom out from NYC and DC… maybe they’re bigger than we can see, have control over more assets and infrastructure around the country

[ashen jungle]

Oh not that, what I think is the case that their actual base is the main location and this is just a major operation for them.
e.g. Brotherhood of Steel during the events of Fallout 4.

[frank spoke]

If they’re in a good position nationally or even internationally, that could lead their members to see the events in these two cities as minor setbacks

[kind hare]

I HOPE TD3 addresses some of these questions on a national or even international level

[frank spoke]

Hm, I was thinking something like Atlas from COD Advanced Warfare

[ashen jungle]

National I'm down for, but international would pose some unique problems.
I guess it depends where div3 is set more than anything.

[kind hare]

International has been touched on, I'd just love to see some more confirmation on how the rest of the world is doing.
National however, I think this NEEDS to be addressed in the next installment.

[ashen jungle]

I think it's a safe bet than the 2nd Expansion is going to be a big push for div3 setup.

[kind hare]

My thoughts too

[frank spoke]

Where does Heartland fit in?

[sleek plover]

Most ideal outcome imo is to habe the agent go the third way, that means no Keener, and definitely not mcmANUS.

Keener seems to want world of might makes right

[hallow topaz]

I still think (where ever the place will be) in Div3 we are marked Rogue, the Hunters become the "SHD agents" (so they can publicly hunt us down) and put a martial law on the communities, that we have to save.
After that we go for the head if the snake (in their underground hole/city), A.N.N.A gets shut down at the last moment (thinking they have us on our knees), but because Faye/Bardon had uploaded A.N.N.A into the Diamond Network either both Hunters and us have no Tech (because A.N.N.A takes Diamond with her) or we will still have our Tech when A.N.N.A gets re-activated on their Network.
And then it's just completing the mission

[solemn sentinel]

are we the bad guys for killing so many people 🤔

[remote tree]

Eh its black tusk they can pull people from thin air

They must have some sort of international backing tho to have enough resources to give what they have, unless it was all stashed away till the very end of the world and the beginning of Div2, when they took over after we cleaned up DC from the other factions

[sick lantern]

“unless it was all stashed away til the end of the world” that is indeed the case

they were prepared for the outbreak

[surreal hearth]

NGN spent years speculating about kelso literally YEARS

at first this whole kelso going rogue was debunked after killing lau

But ever since Anderson fled like a coward and nat made her appearance things have took a very twisted turn

And knowing that we are completely outmanned with her new black tusk units along with true sons and hunters

Kelso was forced to go rogue in the end so pretty much none of this matters

[wicked gorge]

You see NGN been planning this from the start, he’s been working with Ubisoft from the shadows for quite some time, he’s the true puppeteer of the division, isn’t a coincidence that when people started discussing Kelso was rogue he switched sides and said she doesn’t, the evidence adds up

[storm crystal]

You'll see the true Keener was NGN all along

[solemn sentinel]

Idk why i enjoy killing outcasts and true sons the most

[marble dawn]

schizo theory: "keener" we killed at the end of WONY was our div1 agent decoy-disguised as him

[wicked gorge]

We need a division conspiracy chat

[sick lantern]

Punished “Venom” Agent standing in for Big Keener

[marsh sundial]

Weird thoughts, a mgs 5 styled game where you play as a rogue agent recruiting members for your own faction out of different groups in a region

Use a canon agent or oc?

[storm crystal]

I just had a showerthought:
So Kelso was electroshocked just like we did.
What if Kelso didnt go rogue but was somehow blackmailed by Keener?

Like ..he let her run into the "shocktrap" and made her play along and if not he kills us when he lured us into the same trap.

[steep flame]

She would die fighting, i feel. If she wasn’t thinking of going rouge already

[storm crystal]

Kelso seems like a character who would rather die ...but the one thing she wouldnt do is let others die. So Keener pressured her that way.

She might have saved us by "going rogue"

[steep flame]

Could be cope. Either way, gimmie another Keener fight.

[storm crystal]

That would also explain way better why shes pissed off at the end cutscene

[sleek plover]

kelso killso

[solemn sentinel]

Jesus that found footage of the outcasts leader is fucked up

[glad spruce]

It's a good thing that Outcasts are nothing but a nuisance now.

[surreal hearth]

I kill outcast for a living they don’t deserve to live

[tepid ibex]

I haven't played this season at all really, and was gonna return after the Brooklyn expansion releases; but after reading thru this channel it sounds like they retconned Keeners death tbh. Dude came back?! Sure, I thought his plan lacked a 'fall-back' since he's apparently such a mastermind but after we destroyed his missile site how tf did the SHD not have other ways of confirming it was really him. Although, maybe this scenario is why he looked different from his Div 1 self

[solemn sentinel]

with their views, i agree

[hallow topaz]

Well idk how it works with SHD agents (lore wise, maybe someone wjo read the books knows), but I always thought he could still be alive since they took his watch before he "died".
I might have to watch the ending on YouTube again.
But I remember him "dying" a couple seconds after they took his watch (don't know if I.S.A.C declares an agent deceased after there is no heartbeat anymore after 10sec or something.
But I always found it suspicious

[solemn sentinel]

more so he faked his own death whitch i mean is the same thing kek

[solemn sentinel]

NGN in one of his recent videos said hologram tech could have been used

during our fight with keener

[sick lantern]

i won't buy for a second that Keener wasn't dead on the dock. are we literally too stupid to have checked his pulse or secured the body or done anything
made more egregious by the fact that we did for Lau
it had to have been a decoy/impersonator. there's no other way and that would make more sense for his character

[hallow topaz]

Could be, I don't think so as he shoots back (unless it a striker drone covered with hologram tech), but then again (on my WONY runs) I always used a booster hive to get rid of his shock, then used a jammer (I think many did the Jammer because of the skill boxes all around)

[hallow topaz]

Or revive tech (as its being talked about in comms)

Are those healing techs canon in the books webkinz (idk if you read them)?

[sick lantern]

healing nanotechnology is canon to an extent
it was suggested to exist in div 1 and confirmed in Hunted

resurrecting the recently deceased, not so much
moreso the medical technology in the universe is about pushing the human body beyond its normal limits

what im saying is, we were smart enough to secure and cremate Lau, but not Keener?? why

[hallow topaz]

That indeed is weird, maybe it was believing too much in I.S.A.C at that moment.
I mean it was a big moment, THE bad guy was finally gone, plus the relief of a missile not being fired.
That's the only thing I can think of (coincidence).

But also the "ffing around with his watch" before he died makes me think about Keener & Pharnell testing stuff on SHD Watches (if you take of a agents watch while hes being weakened he will be declared dead)
I.S.A.C has his flaws right?
At least what I heard in Descent comms

And just to be sure any SHD Agent would take your watch (in case you ask for back up)
Something like that makes sense to me

[steep flame]

They literally explain how he survived in a simple and believable way. Some people just can't except occam's razor.

[sick lantern]

they pulled his survival out of their bums to bring back an iconic character. some people just can't accept painfully bad writing

[solemn sentinel]

yeah i am happy about him having faked his death cause damn he is a intresting bad guy

[steep flame]

I'd agree it was bad writing if they hadn't have been setting up the fact that ISAC can be easily manipulated multiple times in base game and DLC. The Theo mission is literally screaming it at you.

[sick lantern]

isac can't manipulate a bullet out of someone's brain

again, they didn't confirm the kill or secure the body with keener, but they did with lau

"are they stupid?"

[steep flame]

At not point does it show Keener with a bullet shot to the head in thay death cutscene. Just saying.

[solemn sentinel]

yeah even if gameplay says otherwise

[steep flame]

You should dang well know that what happens in gameplay and lore especially in division, are 2 different things at times. It's a game first, story 2nd. Some of y'all are too much at times.

[sick lantern]

that's a bit ironic to say considering you are being very overly literal with what I said

[steep flame]

Not really. 🤓

[sick lantern]

🤨

[hallow topaz]

Oke, so I just listened to the "invitation" comm, and Keener did talk about it.

"I know you...you thought you got me. You saw my body. You felt my corpse. You saw my lips flap through your contact lens and I.S.A.C declare "agent deceased"
Agent.
Deceased".

So I now believe they hacked I.S.A.C, or our SHD contact lenses.
We did felt his pulse and all that, and he was dead, but it just wasn't him (DNA wise).
It was a different Agent that we fought.
We saw Keener because our contact lenses were hacked (probably with the same tech they use to create faces in games/movies, but than Division tech)

Whoever said I.S.A.C was/is hacked the other day is right.

I just wonder if I.S.A.C is hacked or that we were hacked locally/at that moment, before he jumps out of that cabin (or already at the quadcopter part so the BTSU also saw "Keener".

[remote tree]

When did it say we have isac contact lenses?

[solemn sentinel]

I think it has always been in lore

Its how the agents gets tactical Info

And also how agents sees stuff like echos

[hallow topaz]

What Toklis said (+ see tru walls with our pulse skill)
And you can see it in certain trailers if I remember correctly

[wicked gorge]

Technically in the recruited novel, i dont remember when it’s brought up in the actual lore, I also think they mentioned having some sort of energy system for Isac but I dont remember

[sick lantern]

"All Division agents wear ScanTek contact lenses that let ISAC project an AR-HUD over the agent's field of vision. The AR-HUD is synchronised to the real-world environment, highlighting and identifying all relevant objects scanned by ISAC's field sensors. The sensors are calibrated to recognise threats and watch for a number of signal sources."
"Connected wirelessly to ISAC via the agent's SmartWatch, the ScanTek lenses feature curved LED technology for the display surfaces. They also employ micro-piezoelectric sensors that generate power from the micromotions of saccadic eye movements. The associated AR processor conducts multisensor data fusion in order to display relevant yet clear data appropriate to the wearer's situation."

from the lore book

[waxen sonnet]

The SHD Smart Contacts are in the novels, as well as the Art and Lore book, If you like I may be able to go find the actual section of the book on it.

[wicked gorge]

You good man, I just didn’t remember if it was ever explained in the actual games or not

[waxen sonnet]

"All division Agents wear ScanTek Contact lenses that let ISAC Project an Augmented reality heads up display directly over the agents field of vision"
"Connected Wirelessly to ISAC Via the agents smartwatch, The lenses also employ piezoelectric sensors that generate power from micromotions of the agents eye"
-Page 98 - Chapter 5 - SHD Tech
-The world of Tom Clancy's The Division by Dark horse Books

[ashen jungle]

Here it is with some more full details: https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Contact_Lens

[glad spruce]

The World of the Division book is supposedly set before Division 2's current timeline, but its still a cool read either way

[waxen sonnet]

Its not so much "set" but it launched in March 2019, so exactly the same time as the game itself launched, so the book covers the very basics of the main quest at that time and nothing newer.

I guess a combo of 5 years down the line and not wanting to spoil it before the game has a big part to play in what they wrote too.

[ashen jungle]

I'd be interested to see if it spoils anything about the Invasion Event that came out about a month post-launch.

e.g. Tidal Basin.

[glad spruce]

True

[waxen sonnet]

I'll have a look in a minute for you, I've got it close to hand.

[waxen sonnet]

"Black Tusk"
"Goals: Global Domination"
"Tactics: Special Operations"
"Organisation Training: Very high"
"Stability: Very stable"

"The mysterious Black tusk faction is the Divisions most recently established nemesis, one that is still imperfectly understood by the SHD"
"It appears they've been called to Washington D.C To neutralise federal resistance and counter the Activations mandated by Directive 51"

Pages 120-121- Chapter 6 - The world of Tom Clancy's The Division by Dark horse Books

Thats the Short version, No Tidal basin refrences at all and no map in the book marks Tidal basin that I can see.

[glad spruce]

And IIRC, there was a small mission that acted as an intro for Tidal Basin stronghold

[cold bramble]

Have we ever seen the Contact lens in much action?

[late void]

yeah, they provide our HUD ingame

[cold bramble]

But I mean like in cutscenes?

[sick lantern]

it is in action for near enough every second of gameplay

basically every hud/UI element is provided in a diegetic manner by it
there’s not really a reason to have like… a closeup of a contact lense

[wicked gorge]

Season 11 end cutscenes where we watch Lewis final moments

[waxen sonnet]

The First Division Trailer iirc, Take back new york?
May have a moment you can see it

[wicked gorge]

There’s also the live action mini stories that show the contacts

[cold bramble]

In the warehouse with keener?

[waxen sonnet]

No.

[waxen sonnet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtwrzaMjMeg

[unique spruce]

Is it ever stated anywhere how many agents died of Green Poison, especially before being activated?

[wicked gorge]

The best answer I can give you is yes

It isn’t stated but you can probably guess it’s killed a good amount

[unique spruce]

Yeah that's the conclusion I came to. Was walking past a contaminated zone and just thought... "I wonder how many agents there were before the virus?"

[glad spruce]

Agents can get sick as seen with Leo Fourte from the Recruited novel

[solemn sentinel]

Where do the Black tusk keep getting new men from? Lol

[ashen jungle]

Goons4Less.

they also contract out to the Payday 2 police force.

If you want an actual canonical answer: it's likely that only the first run-through of a Mission/Stronghold/whatever is considered canon, with the rest of them being well, not.

[sleek plover]

I am still waiting for nat to just lose it, drop all pretense and goes "I am the goddess of the new world! Worship me!"

and Dr. Seussesque narration goes "It all began when little Natalya Sokolova couldn't get a pony for her 7th birthday. Ever since than, she vowed to take over the world."

[solemn sentinel]

Lol

[sleek plover]

That's also the reason why she is obsessed with warhounds btw

Her last words gonna be "My ponies! Ahhhh!"

And thus the Umamusume+MLP crossover begins

[sleek plover]

They did got desperate enough to gather manpower by absorbing true sons.

I hope they absorb what is left of cleaners next, so all the fascist factions can gather in one group so it is easier to destroy them

Also note that true sons are mostly ex jtf National Guard+recruited Convicts and nutjobs so they would normally not meet the Black Tusks' recruitment standards, which being ex special forces seem to be a minimum.

So Nat and her shoe-licking simps in black were getting quite desperate for manpower.

[gaunt ice]

you say that but so far they are winning

having more people is always good

and the actual scale of missions within canon are smaller

its been only a few months since div2 start to now in lore

and since repeated missions aren't canon their numbers aren't half bad

[sleek plover]

Yeah, but it doesnt change the fact that Nat wants to take over the world cuz she couldnt get her ponies

[glad spruce]

Now I'm having a mental image of Nat riding a pony toy

[solemn sentinel]

Lol

[cold bramble]

So what’s the black tusks whole ideal/agenda? They want to rule America essentially?

[glad spruce]

Fascist rule, to be precise

[cold bramble]

Ahh

Oh btw. What’s the situation with all the other clans now? Like the cleaners. Rioters etc. do they have new leaders?

[solemn sentinel]

Yikes? Not just a dictatorship?

[tepid ibex]

Rioters never really....had a leader

[cold bramble]

Okay. Of the ones that had leadership what is their situation as of now in the story?

[unique spruce]

Been around NYC a good amount now, and I still have no clue who the balaclava dudes are? Did I miss something?

[late void]

probably remnants of the rioters from the first game

[unique spruce]

Seems too professional for that. They look like generic "professional bank robbers" kinda thing

[late void]

given they tend to lose even to scavengers, I don't get the impression they're that professional

[glad spruce]

Well, yeah. You would think Nat would be satisfied with taking over the country.

But nah, she wants total control. And even further, she wants complete obedience

[sick lantern]

rioters are any and all bandits, looters, muggers etc unaffiliated with a larger faction
random unknown balaclava guys in the street, definitely sound like rioters to me

[unique spruce]

The wiki thing I found called them The Raiders

Which is impressive cause the wiki never has any information on anything.

Ever.

Except hunter lore. Someone really keeps up with that for some reason.

[sick lantern]

she wants to “save the country from itself” so she definitely has a big ego

[sleek plover]

She should have been given that pony when she was a kid

[sleek plover]

Than I'll be one!

[neon ocean]

Anyone know where i can buy the SHD statue from the Division 1

[solemn sentinel]

sir this is the lore channel #td1-general

why do outcasts feel like a mix of insane cultists and gangsters

[neon ocean]

opps , sorry

[waxen sonnet]

While its the Lore channel.
Cough Ebay or Amazon COUGH

[neon ocean]

nothing there. but all good

[limpid monolith]

I just hope we have other opportunities to hit Black Tusk where it hurts.

Putting Nat a dozen pegs down from her ivory throne will be a treat.

[glad spruce]

Cuz of Emeline and her poisonous doctrine

[wicked gorge]

I mean, theoretically we already do with the amount of replayed missions we do

[limpid monolith]

True

[wicked gorge]

Well DC is full of idiots and cultist already

[gaunt ice]

they’re not meant to be well trained

just angry green poison victims gone violent

they do have a strategist so a bit better than hyenas

[wild lotus]

The more I play against them the more my disbelief refuses to suspend

[solemn sentinel]

Oh?

[wild lotus]

I feel like I’m slowly joining the bandwagon of “these people are far too culty and fanatical to be a real faction”

Very cool faction idea but it’s pretty over the top in its presentation

Also they’re way too fanatical to recruit members imo, from a lore pov I think they shouldn’t have the power they have in the game

[solemn sentinel]

True yeah their ideals prevent recruitment

[solemn sentinel]

What ever did happened to our Division 1 agent?

[ashen jungle]

Currently it's "grey canon", so basically you get to pick.

[solemn sentinel]

Based!

[glad spruce]

Personally, I like to think my Div 1 agent left New York and decided to go elsewhere

[solemn sentinel]

Yeah

How did the outcasts manage to recruit a bunch of people from the Campus given how they even wanna kill civilians

[glad spruce]

Do you have a source to back that up?

[hallow topaz]

I know my agent wouldn't swap his Classified Reclaimer gear to start near/in DC with gray gear😂
Especially wouldn't switch from Support Station to restore hive.
He rather crawls backwards to NYC and back to DC to pick up his Support Station & Defib than use chem and hive to heal😂

[marsh sundial]

There's a few ways to sell the outcasts as a faction but that means amping up the monstrous aspects of them to the point they become more shoot on sight than black tusk

[gaunt ice]

tbf i'd take black tusk over outcast any other day

they're tyrants but at least they're not crazy

[marsh sundial]

Basically I'm saying think about recruiting as if you're an outcast leader but turn off any sense of morality you might have. You can find members

[solemn sentinel]

NGN

[wicked gorge]

You be surprised how good cult leaders are, they’re a mix of a silver tongue and playing on your emotions to sway you,

[solemn sentinel]

Yeah Shaw does come off as that

but like the outcasts are even worse than the true sons...

[wicked gorge]

Yeah but ppl after the quarantine are basically broken so they aren’t thinking right, there’s also the consideration of families and friends within the Campus that probably want to be with them again

I see the outcast like the Jonestown cult

[solemn sentinel]

true

still its very satisfying to kill Outcasts

[wicked gorge]

Especially the suicide bombers

For education reasons tho

[solemn sentinel]

oh?

[glad spruce]

Got the weekly Descent comm. Called ANNA Prototype.

||It focuses on Claire presenting the first prototype of ANNA to her husband, Alexander. He thinks it is great, but ANNA keeps sassing him, so Claire has her stand down. Alex has some concerns about having that type of AI, though Claire believes having an AI with a personality would make people comfortable when they're alone||

||But I suppose all we know how that went when the couple pitched ANNA to certain folks like Cal and Nat.||

I know text summary ain't much, but it is gonna be a while till Rogue Agent (the guy who uploads the Descent comms individually on Youtube) uploads that audio log entry.

So I figure sharing my own summaries of the Descent comms I get on a weekly basis would help.

[cyan haven]

||Claire does have a point, I would prefer an AI with personality when I’m alone||

[burnt gull]

ngl ISACC has kept me sane from all the missions I have done

[cyan haven]

ISAC’s good, but I would prefer personality, ANNA passes the Turing test, you could have a full conversation with her, ISAC is purely tactical advice

[burnt gull]

Question, would ANNA still have the practical function of ISAC? like tactical advice and so on when you need it?

if so she is quite literally the full package and I want her

Cause I heard rumors that she couldn't or did not meet tactical standards like ISAC could and personality would just be a hinderance in the lore world

[cyan haven]

She gives tactical advice, but ultimately leaves the final decision up to you, ISAC just gives you the optimal advice

So for example, ISAC would tell you to go right because it’s faster, ANNA would tell you that going left has these benefits (for example, there’s more cover down that route), but is slower, going right is faster but more dangerous

At least that’s my interpretation from the descent coms so far

[glad spruce]

Yeah, that's about right. ISAC is more didactic in his morality and decision making.

ANNA, on the other hand, is more nuanced on these matters

[unique spruce]

Think we'll ever get to choose between the two?

[glad spruce]

That I do not know

[unique spruce]

That's my only current complaint with Div 2 in general. I wish players had more choice on things like story/lore. Maybe in Div 3!

~~Well, that, and figuring out the lore reason that the Whitehouse JTF sucks so much,.and doesn't even have body armor ~~

[glad spruce]

They're a skeleton crew while the rest of DC JTF evacuated from the city.

Ain't hard to explain

[unique spruce]

I get that but they have the skill of a wet noodle and all only wear tshirts

[cyan haven]

The real question is why the government didn’t send more JTF personnel when Ellis returned to DC

[unique spruce]

Maybe they would have done better against the Whitehouse assault if they at least had some damn plates

[unique spruce]

Why we even still playin with these weak JTF fools anyways? Deploy the big boys already. I think we've met the criteria for the posse or insurrection acts to send troops

The civilians are better geared and trained than the JTF at this point

[cyan haven]

I’m pretty sure the military is mostly either already part of JTF, True Sons or Black Tusk, that or they’re dead or with their families

[glad spruce]

We need to remember that Black Tusk has a countermeasure that allows them to disable SHD Tech at their leisure.

So, until we follow Keener's footsteps, we're fucked

[unique spruce]

That's why I want military lol. SHD tech is fun and all, but we are too reliant on it.

[solemn sentinel]

don't forget our boss Cal is legit working with the Black tusk

we are lowky rebels at this point

[unique spruce]

maybe I should just join Black Tusk

[glad spruce]

Well, if you don't mind being a tyrant and your boss expecting complete and total obedience without question, then Black Tusk ain't so bad 😛

[unique spruce]

What else is there at this point lol. I just want to have some kind of backing! And some order.

[solemn sentinel]

Keener

😎

[unique spruce]

Not much better. No backing, and still a love of terrorism grade attacks

Still evil

[solemn sentinel]

Black tusk evil too

who are the lesser of the two evils, keener or Nat and Black tusk?

[unique spruce]

Yeah. Until I learned about St. Lewis I'd say while they were fascist at least they didn't commit terrorism

[solemn sentinel]

was keener even behind ST lewis? i thought that was just a other rogue agent

[unique spruce]

No that was Nat possibly through black tusk

[solemn sentinel]

if black tusk was behind st Lewis why join then? + the plenty of other evil stuff they do

[unique spruce]

What I was saying is before that, I would have picked black tusk

They just seemed like fascists government goons before that, to me. Compared to anarchy and keener

[solemn sentinel]

ah

[unique spruce]

I really really don't like NBC warfare. Of which both are now committing

Especially against innocents

Keener with his Eclipse, and Black Tusk and possible dirty bombs

[solemn sentinel]

and already being opressive

[unique spruce]

Oppressive sucks but there's worse during an apocalypse. Like total anarchy lol

[solemn sentinel]

true but the SHD and JTF in DC are the only ones helping the civlians who are still sane XD

of the base game factions tho i still think the outcasts are the worse

[unique spruce]

I just wish the JTF would actually do something lol. I'd throw my theoretical weight with them if they DID SOMETHING. Feels like we're left out to dry by them

[solemn sentinel]

i mean we elite troops when they get murdered easliy

the civlian Militta are better armed then them 🤣

we only have some guys in t shirt guarding the white house while the civlians have tactical vests

[unique spruce]

That's what I said lol. Send in the army. With body armor

[solemn sentinel]

tho the army is way worse off,

[unique spruce]

Idk

Someone keeps sending the air drops

I can't find any actual information on the state of the military

[sick lantern]

the black tusk didn’t do it

[solemn sentinel]

yeah like was a Rogue agent not behind it and the outcasts were also somehow involved

[sick lantern]

see here lol @solemn sentinel

Rowan O’Shea was a rogue agent and she did it, with Outcasts and Roamers as her muscle

@patent narwhal scam

[solemn sentinel]

lol thanks

[sick lantern]

I don’t really think that’s how that works

[unique spruce]

The dirty bomb in St Lewis?

[sick lantern]

yes

[unique spruce]

Where is a good place to read up on lore and such?

Normally I'd just browse a wiki for hours to get caught up but, not a reliable option here : (

[sick lantern]

besides playing the game and engaging with the extended media, NGN youtube channel is the best bet

[waxen sonnet]

Youtber NGN's videos covering the seasons, Books and lore catch up videos.

For Descent Comms Lore, YouTuber Rogue Agent

[unique spruce]

Hmm... I'll check em out

[waxen sonnet]

If your a keen reader you should check out the books too as they're slowly referencing those in the game now

[unique spruce]

I'm thinking I'll pick em up, but I'm better at reading wiki style info than a story haha. Idk why

[wild lotus]

How big are the books

[waxen sonnet]

About 370 pages each give or take.

[glad spruce]

Fewer

[glad spruce]

But seriously though. The Operation Crossroads Trilogy has been amazing.

And I hope Thomas Parrott gets the chance to continue Maira's story at some point

[sleek plover]

"THIS IS AN EX-PARROTT!"

[solemn sentinel]

Think we killed Henry's ex wife since she joined the outcasts

?

[waxen sonnet]

God I hope so.

[solemn sentinel]

XD how so?

[waxen sonnet]

Anyone who voluntarily goes to join the outcasts after they see what they've done is even worse than the original member's.

[solemn sentinel]

True tbh

[glad spruce]

Pretty sure there's an ECHO where she's dying of Green Poison including Henry's son.

[glad spruce]

I'll try and find it when I'm in game later.

[solemn sentinel]

Huh

[glad spruce]

It's called the Last Supper, mapgenie should have the location

[solemn sentinel]

Ah

Outcasts when a kid did't help them when they were in quarantine 👶🔫

[glad spruce]

Pretty sure all the kids who were in the island quarantine were dead by that point

[solemn sentinel]

oh no i ment random kids they come across who lived off the island, like One Outcast leader released infected puppies near a elementary school

[next hemlock]

Ofc the outcasts did that, they’re a bunch of fanatics

[solemn sentinel]

and insane

tho i guess fanatics are insane

[next hemlock]

Exactly, Might as well join the tusk(yes I know the tusk is a paramilitary group)

[solemn sentinel]

the tusks are facist so no thanks

[next hemlock]

Yeah I know

[solemn sentinel]

• they opressive so rather die free

[next hemlock]

Whatever suits your boat

[solemn sentinel]

🔫

[unique spruce]

What if we just take the gold reserves we did missions in, in DC and NY, and buy out Black Tusk to reinforce ourselves

[solemn sentinel]

idk if they would accept contracts from us but it would be hella funny, split the black tusks by hiring them

[unique spruce]

They're mercs! The ones who aren't polluted with Nats ideology should be in it entirely for the dosh

Not that there seems to be many left :3

[mossy bobcat]

E.e my pc account lvl 29

[solemn sentinel]

?

[mossy bobcat]

I don't play on pc much so it's lvl 29 lol

[next hemlock]

I know

[topaz ember]

why does it keep disconnecting me while i'm moving and everything whenever im about to extract with good loot in dark zones

does the whole "any movement will cancel this" thing but it doesnt stop and i lose all my stuff

got perfectly fine wifi too

[solemn sentinel]

sir this is the lore channel

ask in #td2-general-chat

[glad spruce]

For those who read the Operation Crossroads novels, is ||Maira still marked Rogue by the end of Hunted?||

[glad spruce]

Well, turns out there's a guy who's doing edits for the Operation Crossroads novels in the wiki. Which is excellent, cuz god knows I need help doing a synopsis for em.

Wouldn't mind encyclopedia book for the Division universe

[mint citrus]

I don't think so. Read it a while ago, though.

[glad spruce]

Well, that's a good enough answer for me for the time being

[unique spruce]

Do be gettin a bit complicated

[wild lotus]

Well the in universe explanation is that the hunters probably snuck into your room and sabotaged your PlayStation

[steep flame]

Hunters are a bunch of console war activists. That makes a lil too much sense.

[glad spruce]

I guess that means Division agents die their final deaths. Ifykyk

But then again, the novels does show us that Division agents aren't invincible regardless of how the gameplay depict us lol

[unique spruce]

I mean realistically it just takes one bullet lol

[steep flame]

Yeah. It's a game first, lore 2nd.

[waxen sonnet]

Especially when Operated by Idiots ( 🙋‍♂️)

[waxen sonnet]

Oof. Bye Bye Heartland, I was hoping that'd open up some new lore for us all.

[marble marten]

Bigger opportunities is crazy

The Division is their only remaining IP that isn't terrible

Unless they're repooling their resources towards TD3

[unique spruce]

They said R6 and xDefiant

[marble marten]

Yeah I genuinely have no words then

[swift geode]

let it burn

[marble marten]

Rainbow is stagnating and xDefiant might not stick around for long

[swift geode]

rip Heartland

[glad spruce]

IIRC, didn't the players who went on the playtests say that Heartland was pretty bad? Cuz I've only seen negative sentiment from those who played the closed beta

[unique spruce]

AssCreed ain't doing so bad.

I'm hoping the content from Heartland works it's way into div 2.

Wasn't crazy of the pitch for heartland anyways. Was planning on skipping it.

[marble marten]

Yes, but I think that the game was in development since that test for so long that things might've changed

[unique spruce]

Battle Royale / extraction shooter BLEH. I just want to have a map that isn't downtown city

[marble marten]

Just checking, Div 3 is officially confirmed, right?

[unique spruce]

Idk myself

[sick lantern]

it’s officially been sort of planned to exist in the future

[glad spruce]

Maybe with Division 3, hopefully

[marble marten]

Since Massive is still working on that Star Wars game, it might be a while before we see anything about it

[glad spruce]

It was announced last year. Just don't expect it to release until like 2027 at least

[unique spruce]

Even going to the outskirts/burbs would be good to me

[marble marten]

That's optimistic lol

[glad spruce]

Tbh, I just want Div 3 to apply what's good of Div 1/2 and not having to scramble the entirety of the game's Year 1 to clean up the mess like they had with Div 2.

[sick lantern]

the creative director or whoever said, specifically, he wants to start building a team to develop it when they’re done with star wars

[marble marten]

I'm sure that it might be in some sort of pre-production but it will only go into active development once they're done with their obligations of Star Wars, like DLCs, expansions etc

[unique spruce]

Give us the homeland map, and put the super secret hunter bunker there for story reason we go there.

Boom.

[sick lantern]

RIP to that one poor guy on the subreddit I saw theorising that LINC from Heartland would be important to the lore soon

[solemn sentinel]

did heartland shut down?

[unique spruce]

Canceled as of a few hours ago

[solemn sentinel]

F

[solemn sentinel]

so...what caused that cargo plane to crash into roosevelt island?

[mint citrus]

Engine failure, I assume

[wicked gorge]

Missiles?

[unique spruce]

What crackhead in Black Tusk designed their "mortar" and why is it what it is

[sick lantern]

for some reason they insist on calling it a mortar when it is a rocket system. very strange

[unique spruce]

Yet still sounds and functions like a mortar from what I've seen

Not to give the enemy weapons ideas, but

Have it launch be rocket artillery, but the munition splits into seeker missiles from the technician weapon when above the target, and attacks top down.

That's what I'd expect from Black Tusk

Heat seeking guided artillery swarm

I'll just start my own good guy pmc with my weapon ideas.

[glad spruce]

I wouldn't be surprised if there's military based factions all around the US.

There's the Molossi in Texas

[wicked gorge]

Technically a missile system can be a mortar launcher

They could have modified their launchers to use mortar rounds, but in all honesty, it’s probably just a stupid thing Ubisoft wanted to call it

Anyone else surprised Ubi cancelled Heartland?

[unique spruce]

Nah

Assuming others had the same lack of interest as me, and adding in the very troubled development... Not surprised. Plus you can only make so much $$$ off the in game store it'd have no doubt had

[waxen sonnet]

Its basically a copy of Mk 49 Guided Missile Launching System they stick on boats iirc

[unique spruce]

Oh I know what the real one is, lol. That's part of my problem with it. Maybe someone who doesn't know about weapons would go "wow what a cool futuristic mortar!" But not me

[wicked gorge]

I missed the days where money didn’t determine games

[waxen sonnet]

Its basically A MLRS, But Im presuming Perhaps it can take multiple projectiles types

[unique spruce]

I agree with above that someone at ubi thought "that looks cool let's use it as the mortar"

[wicked gorge]

Does that mean nuclear material???

[unique spruce]

No

Well, I guess you could

[wicked gorge]

I wanna see some soldiers put a bunch of junk into the launchers and fire them

[waxen sonnet]

I have no military background what so ever enough to say, But I'm pretty sure given the size of those rocket tubes you could potentially put something nuclear tipped in it. Albeit it it would be a very very low yield due to size

[wicked gorge]

I was messing with you, but most definitely the black tusk has R&D units ready to make dirty bomb rounds

[unique spruce]

Outcasts already armed and tested

[waxen sonnet]

I feel like If I googled it to double check Im going to end up appearing on GCHQ'S Desk first thing tomorrow 😂

[wicked gorge]

Trust me your fine, just say for a school project afterwards, they never suspect anything

[unique spruce]

Add "disarmament" to the search

[wicked gorge]

Here’s to hoping we get melee weapons in the dlc now

[waxen sonnet]

Andddddddd Im on a watchlist now. But the awnser is yes, one will fit.

[wicked gorge]

This chat is a watchlist for war crimes

[wicked gorge]

If your American, otherwise I think your fine

[unique spruce]

TACTICAL NUKE, INCOMING!

[waxen sonnet]

British, so Probably flagged up at GCHQ Now awnsering that question 😂

[wicked gorge]

So it was you who nuked my base in Fallout 76 -_-

[unique spruce]

Nah I don't touch that anymore. In fact I picked up Div again cause most of my main server has shifted the current game obsession to 76 lmao

[wicked gorge]

After 9/11, the CIA and FBI put a shit ton of protocols in place to search people so

[waxen sonnet]

I hope assets from Heartland go to Div 2 or 3. Especially new guns.

[wicked gorge]

I just want the baseball issue division bats to bonk bad people over the head

Fun fact: the Divison label their flashbangs

[waxen sonnet]

"SHD Proprietary Flashy bois"

[wicked gorge]

I rewatched one of the wont trailers and forgot they labeled their flashbangs 😂

[glad spruce]

I'm sure there's nicknames for flashbangs

[wicked gorge]

I call them portable suns

[waxen sonnet]

And yet somehow they're still not as bad as Riker heavies ones

[wicked gorge]

You mean the bulletproof flash shield that somehow can take 100 bullets and still survive

[glad spruce]

Ngl, the Rikers are pretty funny with their voice lines, especially the heavies

[wicked gorge]

Pain in the ass for me, they’re the only faction I struggled with

You know what’s crazy? The fact the castle settlement has 4 mortars and wont support us with them in dc

[glad spruce]

Best be using them when needed rather than wasting them any time we want

[wicked gorge]

You know you want the ability to rain hellfire on hostiles

[glad spruce]

Unless they have heavy armament, I don't see why I should do that 😛

[wicked gorge]

Boom boom is why

[cursive tapir]

Do we think Aaron or Theo will survive the DLC?

I feel like, other than drawing back the veil on the Morovian Society, and maybe either totally crashing the ISAC/ANNA/Diamond network, not sure what other story functions they’d fulfill

[cursive tapir]

Sadly it sounds as if their contract is over and Parrott is no longer pursuing writing professionally 😞 but I hope we can get some Word of God/author headcanon as to what happened to the Crossroads cell after the books

[wicked gorge]

We all saw the backlash the wont ending was, so they either will keep them alive or kill them off im a way that’s satisfies the community

[glad spruce]

Yeah, I've read the not so subtle tweets from Parrott. Really unfortunate.

I assume it's due to clashes of creative differences or Ubisoft were just not plain interested and like to treat The Division brand like a red-headed step child

[wicked gorge]

Its always felt like the division franchise was the one no one gave a shot about

[cursive tapir]

I don’t think it was a case of bad blood between Parrott and Ubi. I think Ubi just always wanted a trilogy, didn’t plan to expand further. I believe Parrott hanging up his author coat was more due to the inherent financial instability/stress of the path as opposed to anything Div related (unless there was something I missed)

[glad spruce]

Yeah, I've seen his fund a while ago

[cursive tapir]

Perhaps it’s better that way. Quality over quantity. I’d hate to see a new full Division title every two years a la AC

[glad spruce]

Being a novelist isn't an easy life

[wicked gorge]

From the looks of it he enjoyed writing the novels and put his heart into them

[cursive tapir]

They’re very good. He managed to really reconcile a lot of the ludonarrative dissonance of trying to fit an morally ambiguous espionage story into the structure of a looter shooter

Also, good banter. He writes witty character well

[wicked gorge]

To me, the division is the best Ubisoft game ever made besides far cry 5, I think everyone dislikes it or doesn’t get enough attention is that it’s not apart of the actual Tom Clancy universe

They tried to let the game die after season 4 and if it wasn’t for the community, we wouldn’t have the story we have now. Ubisoft has always been about money, Rainbow 6 and Ghost Recon have given a shit ton of support cause it’s one of their highest paying games

[glad spruce]

I feel like ever since the Division's inception as a looter shooter, there's been some animosity towards it

[cursive tapir]

God, what I wouldn’t give for a last of us-style story-heavy/immersive sim in the Div Universe

[wicked gorge]

Cough cough the day before orignal concept cough cough

[glad spruce]

I'd settle for a Stalker-like single-player spin off

It doesn't have to do with the Div 2 storyline. It can be its own thing

[steep flame]

I think The Division should stay as is.

[wicked gorge]

I rather them just follow a story of a cell like the Phoenix squad from div 1, plus im curious how the game would act without the rng

The division has the opportunity to explore many stories, we could get a story of a rogue btsu unit, rogue agents, or civilian aspect over

[storm crystal]

Thats the most baffeling and crazy thing to me i wondered about for a long time. There are thousands of publishers/devs that would wish for breaking into the mmo/liveservice market and have something like the division.
And than theres Ubisoft that just cant manage to capitalize off a golden goose. Mind boggling.

Rebrand the game to "The Division" without any numbers/parts - bring addon/dlc every second year like any other MMO

I would even happily pay every month if there was a steady flow of new real dungeons/missions and story

[wicked gorge]

Heartland feels like R6 extraction

[glad spruce]

Here's my prediction for next season, we'll have a couple audio logs where Kelso explains her reasoning for joining up with Keener as well as Kelso being forced by Keener to zap our agent through that SHD crate

If I'm right, you may call me Hawk Al-Gaib. If I'm wrong, feel free to make fun of me

[wicked gorge]

I can see keener setting up a zoom call with us

[vague imp]

I just saw a little tab on my google chrome saying Ubisoft canceled heartland

Im a little upset

[ashen jungle]

It's only recently occurred to me that the use of "Cassandra" as Lau's alter-ego in the Kelso Manhunt is kinda interesting, it almost certain wasn't chosen at random.

tl;dr Cassandra was a priestess of Troy who had visions of the future, but was cursed for no one to ever believe her.

[wicked gorge]

Most of us are, sad day for the division, a great day for xdefiant and rainbow six fans

[wicked gorge]

Is Kelso ever questioned in the game or never being listened to? I don’t remember but I think we’ve always listened to her ideas and her plans were always discussed

[ashen jungle]

Lau was Cassandra, as my first message mentions.

I think it's more of an allusion to her feeling like she needed to go rogue-light in order to do what she saw needed to be done, e.g. kill Ellis.

[wicked gorge]

Weren’t you describing Kelso as Laus reflection?

[ashen jungle]

No.

[wicked gorge]

Ok im a idiot, nvm then I read your initial post as that

[ashen jungle]

All good.
Although that being said, I wouldn't be shocked if it turned out that Kelso was going deep-cover with this, or bargained for your life in some way. I can't see much of a reason for Keener to keep you alive when you were helpless in Stranded Tanker.

[wicked gorge]

Keener needs allies at the end of the day, even if we are a pain in the ass to him, we’re also his greatest ally. In almost every Ubisoft game “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”

He knows we understand where he’s coming from and we know the hunters are a larger threat than keener is, his ways of execution is way out of line, but he is right, the government shouldn’t have pulled outta the dz, the world now relies on power and strength, and the division is failing. Keener at the end of the day is still a futures trader, he’s thinking 10 steps ahead and planning 3 steps behind his thinking

Did Keener bribe Kelso with our life? There’s a good chance he did. But I think he showed Kelso how much the world is going to change if McManus and Fake Barbie get their way.

[hallow topaz]

Well we are the agent that "killed" him, and killed Faye Lau.
He doesn't trust us for a good reason😂
He does keep saying: "I know that you know", and gives us plenty of chances (probably because he knows what we've done in DC)

Idk, for me, I hope its gonna be a "I told you so" after we lost I.S.A.C & they killed off Kelso (for the drama effect).
And in Div3 Keener becomes our new Manny/Kelso/Lau.

[late void]

I'm hoping Kelso gets what we need from Keener then kills him herself

[waxen sonnet]

They're all gonna die in the DLC 👀

Watch this season rescue Tchernenko, the strategist and the bsav machine

As a filler

[ashen jungle]

I think it's a fairly safe bet that the DLC will be a lead-in for the 3rd game, so killing off all 3 seems unlikely.
Unless they are planning for a real shake-up.

[waxen sonnet]

I think they'll finish up the story this time just in case div3 can't go ahead for whatever reason

Or perhaps they'll as you say plan something entirely different so they can wrap this up

[ashen jungle]

Not to get too far away from lore stuff, but I'd say it depends mostly on how Avatar and Outlaws are received.

I do hope 3 is close to 2 though, with some more love earlier on instead of a big gap again.

[waxen sonnet]

Yeah, I do personally think the sensible thing is tidy up and end the story in the DLC/Year 6 and sortta only leave it open if they can guarantee game 3

[hallow topaz]

Noo, not killing all 3 but have their rolls in 1 character.
He will give briefings to us for our next target/goal, like with Manny.
He will join us in certain missions (skill or in person) like with Kelso
Etc
Maybe even fill the rolls of Roades/Benetiz, but I think that will be Theo (and new Rogue(s))

Or (as we also have A.N.N.A that gives us choices (if I heard correctly)) they will be giving both advice like the angel/demon on our shoulder
Rhodes (angel) & Theo (Demon)
Kelso (angel) & Keener (Demon)
Etc

[ashen jungle]

I don't see any of that happening, but guess we'll see next Season and what direction it takes.

[hallow topaz]

Yep

[hallow topaz]

Nah Keener for President🫡

[ashen jungle]

At the rate they're killed off in the div universe, I think that's about the same request right there.

[hallow topaz]

If its gonna be like how i think it will be:
Keener wil sacrifice himself so we can finish Natalia and/or Calvin.
The "bad guy saving the day" way.

[ashen jungle]

Bringing him back after he was 100% dead for 4 years is a lot of waste to just kill him off again so rapidly.

If they're going in the direction I suspect, there's a reason they brought back someone with a recognisable voice and an actual screen actor for a VA, a very specific reason.

[solemn sentinel]

is Calvin our boss or not 🤔

[hallow topaz]

For the end of Div3 (as I think 3 will be the last) it's a decent end for him.
Not for the upcoming DLC

[hallow topaz]

What direction do you think they are going (I like to hear about others ideas of what's coming)
And is it for the DLC or Div3
(What I said was for Div3 not the DLC)

[steep flame]

I assume Keener will somehow get a presidential pardon

[hallow topaz]

Can someone answer this, I'm confused about it too.
He's ordering an AI system in those Descent comms, but we've never seen him.
I think he is the boss of the Failsafe (the Hunters).

And now that I say that and heard him say go with I.S.A.C instead of A.N.N.A.
Did he do that purposely, so that Diamond would be better as Failsafe?
Also (as he said: don't mind Amherst, to that woman who was tracking him) did he wanted all of this happening, so that he and Natalia could do what they are trying/doing right now?

[solemn sentinel]

there is also the fact in one comms he calls a division agent that died in new york as one of his

[hallow topaz]

I remember that he was marked rogue because he broke into a store for painkillers/bandages or something
That's why I don't know either😂

[wild lotus]

Anna has basically been confirmed to not be an achieveable AI for the next game

Unless they surprise us, the guy that created Anna IRL even said it would be too hard to cover her whole personality in a game

[solemn sentinel]

that's fair

[sick lantern]

No
The SHD only falls under the DHS on a technicality and only the POTUS can have authority over the SHD

[solemn sentinel]

oh okay

so..we don't have a boss atm?

[sick lantern]

nope

we spend more time without one than with one, we don’t really need one

[solemn sentinel]

true and agents are trained to act on their own

[sick lantern]

yep

[storm crystal]

Im calling this now:
Keener will ride into sunset

Like Ada Wong always does in the RE games 😄

And we will stand there like "God damn Keener!"

[solemn sentinel]

tho do we know why Issac have not declared us rogue? would Cal not want the SHD to be declared rogue XD?

since we were framed for killing the President

[sick lantern]

he doesn’t have the authority to do so, even if he did, I don’t think ISAC has such a function
I doubt there is a way beyond someone’s word to do so

[solemn sentinel]

Isac can declare agents rogue tho..

[sick lantern]

not the whole agency

[solemn sentinel]

but fair with the Cal part

[solemn sentinel]

oh right i thought the SHD was mainly just us agents

but trueeee

[storm crystal]

Oh now killing Ellis makes way more sense

Ellis could have easily shut down the division

And ISAC being the binary turd that he is

would have probably took Ellis command over our

So we would have been flagged rogue - end of story

Lau safed our ass by doin the wrong thing (killing instead of incarcerating) because in reality there was no heroic ending

[compact apex]

guys

is it true what i heard

Heartland got cancelled?????

[unique spruce]

Yes

[compact apex]

:(

[cyan haven]

I don’t remember where I read it but apparently ISAC doesn’t update presidential line of succession so as far as he knows, Waller is still POTUS, that’s why we weren’t marked rogue when Ellis defected to Black Tusk (and why BT rogues are rogues)

[hallow topaz]

Was it not possible for in a game, or for the DLC in Div2?
I heard about it as well, but thought they were talking about "it's not possible to make a whole new AI in Div2' for just a DLC".

[cyan haven]

Plus, it would kinda make sense, ISAC doesn’t see Ellis or McManus as POTUS on Wikipedia, he’s like “yeah, this guy’s schizo”

[hallow topaz]

Yes!!! With "Ice Cube - Today was a good day" on the background🔥🔥

[wild lotus]

One hundred percent not for a dlc, but the tweet from the author of the novels said Anna would be insanely difficult and resource intensive to create for a game. But possible I suppose

Of course you can always just make the “bark” functions that npcs and Isaac have where they repeat lines, but the whole point of Anna is that she doesn’t do that

And that’s what the guy was trying to highlight

[mint citrus]

She's a lot more vocal and reactive in the books, yeah

[wild lotus]

Yeah it’s like Anna was her own person

[mint citrus]

May be feasible to a degree, but not in the way ISAC is already. She'd be constant

[wild lotus]

That’s what I’m sayin. Like maybe a feature on a character

But not something we can use

[mint citrus]

On the fly suggestions and real-time reactivity are cool for a book, but would work less for a game medium

That is, unless she was like Cortana

Chatty, but not overly so

[wild lotus]

Chat GPT in the division😮

[mint citrus]

Speaking of the books, they take place... a year after D2, right?

So the BT, the Militant PTA lady, and big man McManus are still a thorn in our side even that far out?

Or are we catching up to the books

[glad spruce]

The books timeline is a bit blurry and I feel unless one of the narrative people from Massive clarifies things, it's gonna stay that way.

[unreal widget]

You could ask the author, he's on Twitter. Maybe he can clarify things.

[glad spruce]

I might just do that.

It's a shame that he retired from writing. I loved his Division novels

[sick lantern]

recruited was one year after the outbreak, iirc hunted was two
but the in game timeline contradicts that

[unique spruce]

The in-game timeframe is weird and I wish it would just move to "realtime" or at least move forwards somewhat.

We've got what, 6 years worth of content squashed into like... A month?

[waxen sonnet]

HE RETIRED?

I thought He was just going to write another series for another genre

[glad spruce]

His Twitter bio kinda indicates that. But I'm not 100% sure on that

[waxen sonnet]

Shame, he's certainly been my favourite author in quite a while.

[glad spruce]

Not like it matters since everything's fucked.

[wicked gorge]

2-3 months which is wild

[wicked gorge]

Maybe one day our lord Parrott will continue to make more novels

[wild lotus]

It’s very impressive how nature reclaimed the world when only 7 months went by

Normal nature would take years

[glad spruce]

I always assumed the base game campaign starts at early June

[waxen sonnet]

"How to become a War criminal in two easy months" : A book by Nataliya Sokolova.

[solemn sentinel]

Did all Surviving first wave agents go Rogue?

[glad spruce]

Fair to say that's the case. Any surviving first wave agents who didn't go Rogue or joined up with Keener are dead at this point