division-universe

[fringe gale]

i like the idea of us having to go Rogue in order to actually make any difference but like

did they REALLY have to bring Parnell and Keener back from the dead

[storm crystal]

yea

[fringe gale]

like a long enough convo with Kelso would've done the job

[storm crystal]

and the drive into the sunset with that delivery truck like some teen gang...so goofy :S

what was that SHD tech chest even doin standing there in the shipyard

everything feels so arbitrary xD

Actually...!

Nataly was the good one all the time and she and Cal was working together to...

...stop Manny who was using us for world domination!

[fringe gale]

only way ill enjoy this turn in the story is if we team up with Kelso somehow

im tired of hearing Manny all the time

[storm crystal]

I would love to form something completely new

like "the peoples division" with cookies

give everyone the finger

Going back to Haven with Benitez and Rhodes

[fringe gale]

i just hope sheriff goes rogue so i can get a good fucking fit for once

they walkin around in all black tracksuits n hoodies and im stuck with camo cargo pants

[raw osprey]

Agent Sutton pants if you want black ones that don't show kneepads

[kind hare]

Maybe a little bit 🤣
But I was still quite wrong way back then.

[lapis burrow]

NGN is here? That's cool.

[hybrid oasis]

Okay im going back to my theory on why theo is alive but the others aren't, if you go back to the WLONY manhunt missions only in theo's does him and keener have audible communication, and judging off theo's previous actions within the mission being manipulating ISAC's systems to clone his identity onto something else and trying to gaslight us etc, I reckon him and keener knew that the division was listening in when they were communicating and wanted to make theo seem desperate when in reality he probs got some lookalike riker to dress like him and gave them his hologramms whilst him and keener fled under the divisions nose, whereas with the other targets, vivian, javier and dragov they didn't contact keener once within their missions and were likely no longer needed unlike theo with his talent when it comes to tech, so keener probs did what theo did on liberty island with some really committed actor

ik its a lot just been on my mind lmao

[sand spindle]

NGN is a naughty lil lurker. Always has been. lol. js

[kind hare]

Love you too Mav 😂

I'm very conflicted by this manhunt wrap up

[sand spindle]

Maybe. But if anybody can make it make even a semblance of sense...it's you, NGN.

[kind hare]

No pressure! 😆

[sand spindle]

LMAO. Nev-ver!

[remote tree]

Big fan of your content NGN, glad to see your reaction here about the manhunt and how to make heads or tails about it.
Post-final exam im still a lil salty/table flippy about it 😂

[wicked gorge]

This season is gonna be a doozy to talk about

[restive phoenix]

The biggest question is what the hell id next after this short of Schaffer waking up from his nape I’ve got no leads

But I’m guessing that’s being saved for the DLC launch or the season before it

[wicked gorge]

He’s probably already woken up and Said fuck that and went back to sleep

[cursive tapir]

So…I guess the Theo and the Keener we fought in WoNY were just random rogues with digital face replacements?

Like, Keener mentioned our agent contacts, so I’m assuming that’s how he hacked our vision.

I suppose that’s the best way of explaining it, in fairness. But hold on - surely once we left, Black Tusk would’ve seized the island and realized the corpse wasn’t Keener, right?

Either way…Eurgh. Not sure how I feel about it. Feels like now anyone can be revealed to have secretly survived, anyone can be revealed to have secretly been a good guy all along

I remember Natalya mentioning a secret corn bunker - do we think that’s what Keener was trying to target with Eclipse?

Also, very curious as to what’s in that briefcase. Could it at all be related to Ellis’s “button” that I don’t think they ever explicitly explained/paid off?

I think the thing that’s most frustrating here is that Keener’s new characterization doesn’t track at ALL with anything we saw of him in the Division 1. Remember how when he was first activated, his immediate response was to shoot a random civilian who happened to see his watch light up? You can’t tell me this guy isn’t a total psychopath

[wicked gorge]

They were the real deal, just manipulated Isac

[cursive tapir]

I’m less concerned with how they tricked ISAC and more concerned with how they survived being shot

Like, at least Schaefer ended up in a coma. And it sounds as if saving Hornet was a real hassle, medically/surgically speaking. Theo and Keener were just…fine, I guess?

Also, kinda feels as though Manny and the Sheriff are the only ones who DONT know the truth behind the hidden conspiracy at this point

Hives have been mentioned but not the Reviver specifically

I think it was an explosive hive

[wicked gorge]

I’ve learned not to question it anymore

[halcyon iron]

Man I remember at the end of last season going: "there is absolutely no way the division story could get more convoluted"

Cant wait for the reveal where theo, faye, and keener are all bipedal warhound prototypes

[lapis burrow]

"Good dogs"

[cursive tapir]

The hunter you fight in the Manhunt mission even says "This is for Brian."

[verbal ridge]

Question I'm still 25/26 on Vanguard coms, seems I'm missing Kelso's last message. Any idea how I go about grabbing that?

[lapis burrow]

Apparently you have to replay the entire manhunt in order to get it right now because it's bugged, so I'd recommend waiting for a patch to come out so we can the note the intended way.

[restive phoenix]

Good I’m glad those sneaky bastards are afraid of us now

[verbal ridge]

ah ok good to know I didnt miss anything, definitely not doing the whole manhunt again, I'll ait for the patch XD

[lapis burrow]

Same lol.

[marsh sundial]

Is there any good rewards for redoing it?

[lapis burrow]

Just a couple more comms.

[fringe gale]

love that im wearing one of their face masks as he said that

ofc yall hate me, im wearing your buddy's mask

[verbal ridge]

Kinda love that I just did all the DC and NY hunters because of that XD

[wicked gorge]

When does he say that cause I tried for 15 minutes and he never said it

[wild grove]

When he kills you, the information of the hunter will say that

[plain junco]

the amount of double takes I've done after finishing this manhunt is a new personal record

with an occasional eye twitch but mostly double takes

[ember temple]

Yes to all this think I was the only one to question all of it

[storm crystal]

Keener getting whitewashed to be made an anti hero is the most problematic message of it all

Aswell as our agent is too stupid to discern who he killed and if he killed

Its like we are Johnny English Agent 000

[ashen jungle]

Once you've seen all 3 movies that comparison is actually more flattering than you might think.
but I don't think Keener is actually getting made an anti-hero, I think this is just more BS from him and we're going to kill him again.

[vale oak]

no way lmao

[glad spruce]

That's the million dollar question. Did he have a change of heart all of a sudden? Or did he become aware of Cal and Nat's schemes and decided to do something about it at all costs?

[glad spruce]

It's true. When I checked the detail after the Hunter killed me, it quotes: "You should've let us recruit you. This is for Brian"

[steep flame]

I was blown away by that mission. That cut-scene at the end made me so hekin hyped. Aaron Keener is the goat. Can't wait to kill him... again.

[vagrant orbit]

They need to add the Keener was Right skin to other weapons

i hate ubi writing man.

[glad spruce]

So I guess with Keener, we got our own equivalent of Magneto is right lol

Meanwhile, I have a lot of questions. How did Keener and Parnell get ahold of ANNA? Did they manage to secretly contact Claire Ortiz? Are the Ortiz couple still alive? And if so, are they aware of Cal's intentions?

[vagrant orbit]

i can accept that theo manipulated isac but i guess we're dumb enough to just shrug it off and be like "yep, if isac says theyre dead then theyre dead". our agent survives through so much and learns about so much and yet doesn't know to double tap or physically check bodies instead of solely relying on isac.

[shut raft]

Holy moly

[glad spruce]

Look, if the good ol boy scout says they're dead, who am I to argue 😛

[vagrant orbit]

there's still no explanation for keener's use of eclipse on civvies. when he gets confronted he's just like "you need to do what it takes"... for what broski. what is this gonna achieve in your quest to dismantly the corrupt leadership and black tusk and hunter program. where is the correlation.

[glad spruce]

He's the ends justify the means kind of guy.

Collateral damage is fine to him as long it makes a dent against his enemeis

Obviously, it doesn't help in giving him allies

[vagrant orbit]

if anything, his premature use of eclipse made his real enemies ready for it. he revealed a card for no reason.

[glad spruce]

He always has a big ego

And a touch of arrogance

[vagrant orbit]

im just gonna speculate that black tusk will be weakened with the use of the same anti SHD tech but for black tusk's tech (or even the hunter's network) and he'll use eclipse on them then and we'll have tidal basin with eclipse V2.

[glad spruce]

Ngl, I've always wanted to go Rogue officially for a while now.

And the way I see it, working with Keener would be more of an alliance of convenience rather than holding hands and singing kumbaya

[vagrant orbit]

i love a lot of things about the division games and the lore but god i hate how poorly some of the story elements are written. i like that some stuff does get explained with comms but some stuff just has no explanation for.

reminds me of a big criticism i have for heartland, wish i could share my thoughts.

[glad spruce]

You're on NDA for that game, right?

[vagrant orbit]

yeah

[glad spruce]

I figures after seeing the ending that bringing back Keener and Parnell as well as Kelso going rogue would elicit mixed feelings

[steep flame]

I mean. They explain how they did it. It makes sense. Some people will never be satisfied.

[vagrant orbit]

it's not even that for me. it's how some of the previous stuff seems to get swept under the rug.

we're just supposed to forget how keener was intent on killing innocent people, which contributes nothing to his real goals, and be like "yeah man SHD is corrupt/compromised i'll join you"

[steep flame]

They have tons of opportunity to delve deeper into things. More games, DLC, novels. They're not just gonna front load all that info into one game. There is a massive (ba dum tss) amount of world building here.

[glad spruce]

Sure. We're still weeks away from next season. But if I had to speculate, it'll probably involve trying to convince our allies to help Kelso.

I do want more novels, tbh

[vagrant orbit]

yeah, i love to always learn more about the world of the division so i'm looking forward to that.

[steep flame]

I wanna buy some merch. I wish that div watch re-releases.

[vagrant orbit]

military grade, division themed case with the watch

[ashen jungle]

fun fact: "military grade" was actually originally a joke, as the military would often take the lowest manufacturer offer for things.

[vagrant orbit]

yes

right up ubi's alley :trol:

honestly i can't speak on the quality of ubi's merch. i've haven't really been attracted by the designs so i never bought any goodies.

[ashen jungle]

No I mean IRL.

there's a joke from a NASA astronaut about how the flight doesn't scare them, the fact that the cheapest bidder won does.

I don't really buy "merch" exactly, but I've heard decent reviews on some stuff.

[vagrant orbit]

man i can only imagine what NASA would be able to accomplish in this day if their funding wouldn't have been dramatically cut in favor of the military budget

[steep flame]

I like to buy merch from things i rather enjoy and support.

[vagrant orbit]

now i need a NASA x SHD bomber jacket

[steep flame]

Give us a NASA gear set.

[glad spruce]

Gotta keep the wheels of military industrial complex going 😛

[ashen jungle]

I would buy more if shipping costs weren't ridiculously high here.

It often costs more than the items themselves.

[steep flame]

Oof. I understand that pain

[vagrant orbit]

yeah... as a vinyl enjoyer i can relate

[steep flame]

I'm so sorry.

[vagrant orbit]

30$ vinyl, up to 70$ in shipping..............

sometimes i get a friend to ship it to him then to me, cuts the shipping to half

[ashen jungle]

Actually related: this is exactly how I got a copy of div2 back pre-launch.

[steep flame]

Oh snap. Big brain strats.

[ashen jungle]

another fun fact: it's 5 discs.

[shut barn]

Is not possible Aaron Keener is alive,in ending mission he died or not?

[glad spruce]

Speak english, please

[waxen sonnet]

||Keener is not dead. He survived The battle of Liberty Island by faking his death, both acting and tricking ISAC to issue a fake "Agent deceased" announcement and used the fact everyone then thought he was dead to plan a counter to the black tusk and hunters||

[gaunt ice]

airburst seeker turns into orbital bombardment

[glad spruce]

Man, the subreddit is a complete mess

Wait, hold on, I think Kelso is Cassandra during the final Manhunt mission.

Didn't she have a hold of Faye's watch, after all?

[sudden mortar]

It matches the current state of the game.

[glad spruce]

Uh-huh

If we go by every game's subreddit, you'd think every game is fucking garbage

So forgive me if I don't take the subreddit seriously

And forgive me if I don't have time for your nonsense

Anyway, last season's ending cutscene ended with Black Tusk hijacking the speakers to spread the propaganda.

I wouldn't be surprised if next season's opening cutscene follow immediately after this season's ending

[steep flame]

I am totally hype for next season.

[tall prism]

So, is there lore not in games in books/comics? If so, can I get the list?

[glad spruce]

There's also the Operation Crossroads Novels which is set outside DC and the novels themselves were referenced a few times in the game

[tall prism]

Nice, do you know where I can find them? I'm about to be an expert at division lore lol

[glad spruce]

You can buy the novels off Amazon

If that's not possible, you can try and see if a local book shop in your area has them

[waxen sonnet]

Also recommend the art books and comic books, the art book has some fantastic photos and the comics very occasionally get a character or event reference

[waxen sonnet]

If you're from the US/EU You shouldn't have any issues finding them on Amazon

[tall prism]

Thanks!

[waxen sonnet]

The books are:
Recruited, Compromised and Hunted by Thomas Parrot
Broken Dawn by Alex Irvine
New York collapse
Extremis Malis and remission by dark horse comics
The art of the division by titan books
The world of the division by dark horse books

[tall prism]

Thanks again

[cursive tapir]

The more I think about it, the more I think this season was initially intended to end with Kelso, Keener and Theo sitting you down and explaining their side of the plot to you, as lead-up for the Black Diamond DLC

But with the DLC being delayed, they obviously couldn’t just drop such a huge lore bomb on us this early, so we end up with more vagueness

Unfortunate but more a consequence of the production schedule than deliberate obtuseness, if I’m right

[cursive tapir]

I think they’re gonna reveal that Keener’s “real target” for the Eclipse missile wasn’t Haven, but rather some Black Tusk/Morovian base hidden in lower manhattan. And this base will be the new stronghold in the Black Diamond DLC (which we know is set in NY).

[glad spruce]

Yeah, that's my theory too.

I suppose prioritising Project Resolve didn't help matters

[waxen sonnet]

Rogue has a new descent comm as of 3 hours ago mate if you've not seen.

[glad spruce]

Is it the one where ||Ortiz Robotics cancels a project that Vivian Conley worked on? I already got that one||

[waxen sonnet]

Oh, yeah then, 44 I think it was.

Sounds like it.

[glad spruce]

Yep, it is.

[waxen sonnet]

Ah my bad then mate.

[glad spruce]

No worries.

I'm interested for the next 4 audio logs in the coming weeks.

IIRC, didn't some players already reach 48 out of 52 audio logs as of this week?

[waxen sonnet]

I wouldn't know, around 42-45 is what Ive seen atm.

[glad spruce]

Alright

Cuz I've been wondering if the Descent comms collection is going to be completed by this season's end or the next one

[waxen sonnet]

I should think about the same time the new season starts seems about right

[wicked gorge]

Thinking about it, the ending to the season really feels like the cliffhanger to take us into the dlc

[steep flame]

Well yeah. That's pretty much what it set itself up for.

I am hype.

[waxen sonnet]

Absolutely agreed, I assume they'll also roll it into the next seasons events, and then that into the DLC

[wicked gorge]

Im hyped too, but im more curious what story content we’re gonna get for the season, stuff that continues the story they’re going for or give us side stories to build the world to kill time

[steep flame]

I too am uber curious

[sick lantern]

don’t get Remission, it’s not great

[steep flame]

Get it anyway. Come to your own conclusion.

[sick lantern]

and/or rather if you’re looking for lore or worldbuilding… Remission has basically none

[sick lantern]

i’m tryna help a brother save money is all

[steep flame]

Brother. We're playing video games. Our money is already gone.

[tall prism]

Lol true, I'll see

[glad spruce]

Finished reading Recruited

Alright, now I get the full context behind the whole Saint Louis incident that was mentioned a lot in Season 11

Besides that, I really enjoyed the book and I've been taking a liking to Maira

[wicked gorge]

Leo best character in the book

[glad spruce]

Kelso note 4 mentions that the Kansas Core got compromised. And the Kansas Core was featured in the first book.

The confrontation with ||Rowan O'Shea in the core does seem to foreshadow that Maira and her Division cell would be facing Black Tusk at some point||

The books aren't very long, so I could finish reading the remaining two at 1 and a half hour at most for each

Not gonna lie, when I read Recruited, I imagined how Maira and her gang are up to. Their feelings, expressions, actions, etc..

Maybe it's due to my autistic brain, but I do have a vivid imagination of how the scenes are playing while reading a novel.

[wicked gorge]

Well I think that’s how many people imagine things when reading a book

[tall prism]

We should get div 3 in somewhere like Texas, Miami, or somewhere country with suburban environments

[wicked gorge]

Oh Texas would be fun

[tall prism]

Yeah, got some good areas in there lol

[wicked gorge]

I just want A10 support:(

[glad spruce]

That's assuming we have enough airfield, fuels, and logistics for A10s support at this point

[sick lantern]

enemy factions: Roamers, crazy ass cartel who were well equipped before the outbreak let alone after, token criminal group with more western references

[tall prism]

Lmao 🤣

That could work.

[glad spruce]

Hold on, do Roamers even have territory in Texas?

[sick lantern]

they’re in the south generally so maybe

i can’t really remember too much of the geography and states mentioned in recruited tbh

[wicked gorge]

If we can resurrect the dead, then we can supply a plane to shoot Red Bull cans

[wicked gorge]

Technically yes

[fringe gale]

alright now that ill chilled from keener hitting a self revive kit, ill be honest, if they do have us go "Rogue" at some point, ima need a better reason than ANNA is better

[glad spruce]

ISAC can be easily fooled and is a boy scout. His sister ANNA is more advanced and an AI that I wanna converse with

[fringe gale]

one thing i will always like abt some of these manhunts is killing hunters

they give me SW death trooper vibes from Rogue One so their whole design and look is always a +

[waxen sonnet]

Already happened mate. Book 3

[glad spruce]

My suspicions were correct then 😛

[waxen sonnet]

Just wait till book 3, the final battle is such a banger it should've been a movie in itself

[static crypt]

first time checking in on the game since i left after the season started

but honestly WTF WAS THAT

[near ibex]

so how did Theo and keener come back now?

[cyan haven]

Theo used a decoy, not too sure about Keener

[gaunt ice]

technically ISAC “lied” to them or whatever

ANNA pulled false data according to Keener’s monologue at the end

[steep flame]

They literally tell you how. Keener and Theo fucked with Isac and no agent bothered actually confirming Keener's pulse.

[marsh sundial]

Double tap and beheads for everyone going forward

[remote tree]

||Still think that excuse for keener’s return is bs but thats just me||

[marsh sundial]

I mean it works, like their fights confirmed our little orange buddy is part orange cat

I mean the very idea of rogue status does. Like the fact that the system doesn't stunlock and disable any rogue agents off the one count is dumb

[wicked gorge]

A better way for the ending is that keener just made a chemical that flatlined his heart and vitals and just last for a few minutes

[undone nova]

why kelso becomes a rogue agent and joined to Keener?
The rogues agents that are still alive like Keener Pharnell, they will need our help?
ISAC now becomes very useless and ANNA is more useful?

[steep flame]

Why do that? Isac said he was dead. The whole thing is pointing out the over reliance on the tech and the fact that the corruption is fucking over all the good apples.

[undone nova]

you mean that we have to use more on common sense?

i mean that we have not to depend more to ISAC

[eager basin]

Issac always been easy to trick if you knew how to

Plus Anna is more advanced than Issac is

Also apparently keener showed kelso the light or some truth on his plan and stuff , and with all the events that happened probably didn't take much for him to convince her to join him

[gaunt ice]

the objectively correct answer is that they came up with this stupid idea just to bring the guy back

[wicked gorge]

People are just mad cause of the reckon, im glad keeners back, but honestly was done poorly

[ashen jungle]

No no, I'm annoyed because I dislike the direction this story is taking, and also the retcon that makes what we did before pointless.

Although the more I think about it, the more I suspect that he's back so they can use the VA in a live-action thingy to come out before the 3rd game.

[gusty fulcrum]

So why does keener hate the division again

Also I really liked this manhunt lol

[gusty fulcrum]

@ancient quiver with what you said in #td2-general-chat i wanted to follow up here

let me ask a few things

what would happen if the division won the war?
what would happen if the black tusk won the war?
what would happen if keener won the war?

[ancient quiver]

Thanks for picking on this... Never thought this.

My only beef with Keener is the absolute control that he exercise. How much blood is on his hand of JTF soldiers and other fellow agents who did not go rogue. And for some good agent who has a steady upbringing and stood by the people and believe in the principles for which Division was created (1 instance being, remember some of the dialogues she uttered in the comms when your agent was chasing Parnell thru the Coombs) suddenly turn to this ? If a salt looses it's saltiness what good is it for....

[gusty fulcrum]

The comms showed that he doesn't want absolute control. He is taking control because that's the only way to get things done

The goal he wants is entirely valid and so is his reasoning

He wants a fresh start because he doesn't see a solution coming from either the division nor BT

And the fact that Kelso even agreed to this should be a sign that there's more than we are seeing

[storm crystal]

The way to hell is paved with good intentions...and some eclipse virus.

Keener will never be a good guy.

[ancient quiver]

I couldn't fathom how much blood is on his hand and he is now hailed as champion.. if a game offers an angle to kill him I would jump on the chance to give him the ultimate end he deserves...

[gusty fulcrum]

But what did he actually do wrong?

We have blood on our hands. Keener does too. So does BT and TS

[storm crystal]

There are some summarizations already floating around. He killed alot of people. JTF personal and civilians. The eclipse virus was tested on castle Clinton and was set to shot be at manhatten

[gusty fulcrum]

Castle Clinton was a peacekeeper outpost. Which is considered the enemy

In Keeners world, there are two enemies; JTF/Peacekeepers and BT/TS

[ancient quiver]

Killing of JTF soldiers setting up ambushes.. hiring as much twisted rogues like Dragunov and others who harassed and murdered civilians and soldiers alike to justify their agenda.. or does it not matter.

[gusty fulcrum]

Dragov was used to manufacture the eclipse, keener was not directly working with him

And again, JTF were the enemy

[storm crystal]

If anybody who isnt for you is your enemy all your actions become holy. Thats very flawed reasoning

[ancient quiver]

Your Agent did not killed civvies or fellow agents. Only rogues and villians downright baddies.

[gusty fulcrum]

JTF isn't "civvies"

[gusty fulcrum]

I never said they become holy but they become no different than what our agent does

[storm crystal]

Our agent would never shoot a virus on anyone

[gusty fulcrum]

But the virus was to create a "fresh start"

[storm crystal]

Cool

God complex. So hot right now

[gusty fulcrum]

Keener came to the realization there was no solution to the BT/TS vs JTF/PK war

If one side won then history would repeat

So the only solution is to take both out

[storm crystal]

And the civilian casualties? Colletaral damage?

[gusty fulcrum]

Unavoidable

[ancient quiver]

I have to go now.. thanks for the discussion. I appreciate.. I will play for few days some other game now to absorb this shocker. Lol.

[storm crystal]

You would make a fine authoritarian leader

[gusty fulcrum]

Lol have a good one

[gusty fulcrum]

That's incredibly uncalled for and rude

[storm crystal]

Its a funny sidehook

[gusty fulcrum]

anyways

I hope you understand what I mean by Keeners motives

Because not only did Kelso join him, but the comms showed he actually cared about people

[storm crystal]

Oh his motives are crystal clear. Its probably the same as ours. But the way to that goal is different

[storm crystal]

You can care about people and still be a maniac. People are no Saints or Monsters.

Keener probably has the right intentions

But he acts...mh...desperate

[gusty fulcrum]

The problem is there doesn't seem to be a valid way to end the war

A good comparison to this IRL is the nuclear weapons used in WWII and the controversy behind them

[storm crystal]

You will see. The writers gonna write it for us. We gonna deliver

[gusty fulcrum]

I think we will likely end up on Keeners side

[storm crystal]

I dont think so.

[gusty fulcrum]

What keener did makes understandable sense

[storm crystal]

Probably our own side

[gusty fulcrum]

And we can't win without him

There's no shot at taking on the hunters without him

[storm crystal]

Like i said some times before. What i think could happen is our agent quitting divison but not going exactly rogue but build something new with the other survivors lile rhodes and benitze

The peoples division

With a new network

[gusty fulcrum]

I can't see it, peacekeepers had no shot at surviving without division intervention

And black tusk will just take over swiftly

There's simply not enough power to take on an organization as large as BT

[storm crystal]

Oh maybe keener and we will work together thats not what i mean wont happe

But we probably wont go rogue that way

And join him completely

More like temporary allies

[gusty fulcrum]

The problem is Keener's goals are against that of the Division

[storm crystal]

But at the end of the day we will still be on the hunt for him and he knows and we know

[gusty fulcrum]

So either we are against him or rogue

[storm crystal]

Divison is done anyway with McManus in charge

[gusty fulcrum]

But Manny wouldn't appreciate that

Nor would the entirety of DC we helped establish

[storm crystal]

Maybe manny will help us form a new divison

[gusty fulcrum]

That's not happening

Because you can't just redesign the entire shd network

[storm crystal]

You never know. Third wave is said to be recrutes who are recruited by second wave. Maybe we gonna recruit a new generation and all that

That would be a fresh start for div3 aswell

[gusty fulcrum]

I do know because the network was made under McManus so you can't just recreate it lol

[storm crystal]

Isac network is in use for division and its the least refined

[gusty fulcrum]

But it's not just copy/paste able

[storm crystal]

Theres already anna and diamond

So its possible theoretically

Thats even whats in the case kelso and keener stole

The diamond AI Network chip or some stuff

Who knows

[gusty fulcrum]

Diamond is specific to the hunters, no?

[storm crystal]

Yea its what BTS uses aswell afaik

[gusty fulcrum]

So nobody except McManus and hunters have even the slightest access to it

[storm crystal]

That part of the lore im not really quite sure of
I think parts of it are relativetly new like this new manufacturer introduced that did work on ISAC. Before we only knew Darpa was working on divison tech

Ortiz or something they are called

[undone verge]

Spoilers for ending of manhunt: ||God damn did I call it right that Kelso was going to go rogue. Didn't except Keener, Theo and Dragov to be alive considering the lead they got pumped full of.||

[steep flame]

Yeah but we've toats had more lead pumped into us.

[gusty fulcrum]

Where was dragov said to be alive

[undone verge]

Wasn't he in the van? Or was it just Kelso, Theo and Keener?

Ah yeah I saw Theo and when he moved around I thought Dragov was with him

Maybe finally we can get the cool red wrist watch

[gusty fulcrum]

Kelso Theo and keener

[undone verge]

Keener looked like a slight breeze would kill him lmao

[ancient path]

Moral of the story: revive hive is op

Better burn or amputate the body next time

[glacial veldt]

beheading is effective, as I've heard 🙃

anyway, I have a question: why didn't Kelso participate in the final fight on Liberty Island? She only appeared in the cutscene AFTER we defeated Keener.

[glad spruce]

A Descent comm explains how Rogue Agents still have access to SHD Tech. Basically, ISAC marked an agent rogue simply for breaking into a pharmacy for medicine during the first wave and her tech got disabled.

Cal wasn't happy about this, so he ordered the Ortiz couple to install a workaround.

[glad spruce]

A catch-22 if you will

[tight jacinth]

Because she was injured from the attack on the boat ig

[glacial veldt]

we were on the same boat and we were still able to go forward; after this manhunt plot twisted ending I'm already thinking of that entire WONY was staged with Keener; and Kelso faked her ”injury” on the ferry so she wouldn't have to shoot Keener in the final fight

[storm crystal]

I can tell you why
Because Ubisoft wants us to play the game without NPC assistance 😄

[sudden mortar]

I guess the reason they didn't kill Keener (Kelso and our agent) was because they could find information from him, after seeing he was able to kill or convert a large amount of First wave agents, hack BT and SHD tech and create a biological weapon.

[storm crystal]

Whoever defending the Agent is too stupid to tell if a) it is keener b) he is dead is delusional.

What kind of agent are we? if we take this seriousy we probably would be fired right away

Its a cheap trick to get the favorite main villain into the game and retcon what we did

They knew they fucked a bit up with WONY ending and want to undo it

[glad spruce]

Retcon or no, Keener being alive would shift the balance in the war between Division/JTF vs Black Tusk/True Sons

[storm crystal]

No.

:)

btw theres a reddit thread about a Kelso com
where Kelso writes "She is following me blah blah has more lifes than a cat"

who does kelso talk about? cant be faye

[glad spruce]

Also, our agent is practically the strong silent type, not one to talk or being proactive since the devs delibertely expects the players to project themselves into thhem.

So if a player wanna headcanon our Div 2 agent is the same from Div 1, nobody can stop em 😛

[ocean shoal]

did anyone get the 26th collectible yet

[glad spruce]

Yes. You have to replay the entire Manhunt.

I recommend doing that on normal

[ocean shoal]

like the mission or everything as a whole

[glad spruce]

Everything

[ocean shoal]

oof

[glad spruce]

I see the subreddit is sitll on a meltdown.

Inb4 I get the response "Well, the subreddit reflects the state of the game". If you really think that, you're out of your damn mind or really dumb

[waxen sonnet]

The subreddit reflects the state of the game

👀

[glad spruce]

Hi Jack

I appreciate the cheeky response 😛

[steep flame]

You know canonically, the reason the division is fucked is because there was people thay didn't take it seriously.

[glad spruce]

Yeah. In fact, there's been many cases through in-game audio logs where they emphasize that activating The Division was never supposed to be activated.

Almost like they were being set up to fail

[sick lantern]

i don’t really agree with that, they had the tech, manpower, training…
i know it’s mcmanus hunter conspiracy but if it weren’t for Keener fracturing the first wave and decimating the second NYC would’ve gotten basically saved easily by the division

rather if not for Keener the second wave likely never would’ve been activated

i guess the questionable recruitment process could play into “set up to fail”

but like if i was mcmanus i’d say “nah we don’t need an AI at all really. nah we don’t need intense training just make em like cops or whatever.” you know?

[glad spruce]

Probably

Some of the agents weren't exactly the most stable, mentally or emotionally

[steep flame]

Have you seen the shit the American police force has gotten themselves into at times IRL? Manpower, training, and tech mean nothing if the people using it arn't utilizing it properly.

That's just an example btw. Not trying to start any arguments.

[glad spruce]

No plan ever survives contact with enemy, as some would say

[steep flame]

I Don't understand how people can quickly say "that would never happen!" Or "that doesn't make sense." It's like people have never seen shit hit the fan before.

[glad spruce]

Exavtly

[sick lantern]

i’m saying if i was mcmanus trying to make the SHD fail or whatever, i would use my influence to make shit hit the fan even harder for the SHD, rather than giving them actually useful things

[steep flame]

"I would have done this instead and it totally would have panned out better."

[sick lantern]

unless he has some 6D chess plan to have a semi competent Division take out Natalya and then have the Hunters take out the weakened SHD

[steep flame]

That is always the funniest response. Because more often than not, the people saying thay would handle everything worse.

[wicked gorge]

I would make shit worse

[sick lantern]

that’s what I’m saying

McManus has given the SHD like every tool they need and now is losing a bunch of Hunters for it

[restive phoenix]

It’s hard to say if the SHD was supposed to work sure as hell doesn’t help that pretty much any other agent we encounter in missions usually ends up dead besides 2 I think

[sick lantern]

maybe he needed the functional SHD to skim Hunters from and just couldn’t get a better way to build his private super elite force

[restive phoenix]

Our player agents seem to be the only competent agents left

[wicked gorge]

That’s just plot armor

[restive phoenix]

1 to 4 agents have managed to completely stall the Black Tusk invasion of DC and screwed over a decent portion of their operations

They only attacked the White House because they managed to draw us away it’s clear the SHD could of worked if more competent agents were left whether the lack of these agents is due to recruitment or just causalities I’m not sure

[wicked gorge]

Well if they’re were more agents like us, then we wouldn’t be dealing with this situation, like I said plot armor

[steep flame]

Canonically there is more agents out there. We're getting killed fast in universe.

[glad spruce]

This discussion would be a completely different story if the Division series was single-player 😛

[sick lantern]

well there is a whole trilogy of novels where like no more than five agents kick a large amount of ass

[wicked gorge]

Main characters, if they don’t show up for more than 5 minutes they’re useless

[glad spruce]

At the end of the day, whichever main character survives against a hectic fight in a fictional work is dependent which of them is the writer's favorite

[sick lantern]

fwiw we now have ||4|| Hunters confirmed KIA by the Division, plus at least 1 probably from Survival and 1 candidate

and if the loss of one is big enough to seemingly warrant recruiting a replacement, that’s kind of a big deal

[sick lantern]

forgot about Wright/Hellfire, does he count

[glad spruce]

He's a candidate, so maybe

[glad spruce]

I dunno about anyone else, but I do get the vibe that some people treat SHD as a military unit even though its not in any sense

[steep flame]

People just straight up let their own head cannon get in the way.

[glacial veldt]

The Division isn't a military unit indeed, but have to fight against Black Tusk which is as military unit as possible, so agents must know some military tactics to succeed; also other factions are organized by military principles and have a strict hierarchy

[storm crystal]

You think so? Our agent cant even tell dead people from living.
We are the most stupid successful agent in history.

[glad spruce]

Or rather ISAC can't tell what's dead and living due to its simple programming 😛

Remember, this is the same AI that marked an agent rogue and restricted access to SHD Tech simply for breaking into a pharmacy.

So maybe, just maybe, his sister ANNA is much smarter than he is. 😛

[waxen sonnet]

ISAC Was played like a damn Fiddle'

Mind you I shotgunned Keener in the face enough in my play through he was deffinetly dead

[glad spruce]

Right.

Besides, how our enemies die don't really matter, does it?

[wicked gorge]

At this point keener is just teddy Roosevelt

[waxen sonnet]

For the non-americans in chat, whats the refrence?

[fringe gale]

survived a assassination attempt from point blank

[wicked gorge]

Then gave the speech while insulting the shooter

[waxen sonnet]

Oooh, now Im with you, thanks @fringe gale

Yes in hindsight I had heard of that.

[wicked gorge]

Yeah Roosevelt was a beast of a man

There’s a lot about that man

Tbh he does share a few similarities with keener

[mint citrus]

So

How many allies have we got left?

'Cuz I'm getting sorta tired of getting stabbed in the back by fellow agents

This is three times now

First Lau, then Johnson

Now this

[wicked gorge]

The civilian militia in dc and lower manhattan, the JTF, technically the rogue true sons during the price of power manhunt but they were probably executed

[steep flame]

The whole premise of the story for div 1 & 2 has been about people back stabbing others. Where in it for the long haul.

[fringe gale]

kelso is still kinda maybe a ally, considering the missing comm is her saying "sorry abt not telling you, i have to finish what faye started so this all ends"

[glad spruce]

I'd even dare say that Kelso is only working with Keener out of necessity.

Being Rogue doesn't automatically mean evil. Not anymore.

As for Johnson, I did find it suspicious he went missing after arriving in DC, only to reappear in last season.

[fringe gale]

yeah

agreed

[mint citrus]

That's true. Still, kinda stings, though not as much as Lau

[true fox]

Hello everyone, I think it's incredible how this chat is focused on history, really incredible, you are incredible. I wish there was a group like that in my country...

Hail @kind hare , how are you? When will the next video come out?

Guys... is there a specific group that I can ask for help with an operation or mission or project or can I ask here? or in the other chat?

[true fox]

It really hurt for me, it was Lau. but since her insurance policy, it was a relief and anguish at the same time, to start to understand even more that to start taking down a guy like Cal and Nat, you have to be outside or parallel to their system... that reminds me even the Division’s motto.

[ashen jungle]

There are a number of LFG channels below, #lfg-td2incursion-pc for incursions, #lfg-raid-pc for Raids, #lfg-pc for everything that's not an Incursion or Raid.

[true fox]

understood

[gaunt ice]

they’re actually whats formed the castle settlement

the jtf cant even afford sending people on the assault on tidal basin

[waxen sonnet]

Johnson's story arc was let down by his writing, It was so painfully predictable right off the bat that I was almost hoping for it to be a trick, like At the final minute another agent would be the recruiter and have killed Johnson in a fight.

[glad spruce]

Bloody boy scout that Johnson is, god bless him ,:P

[waxen sonnet]

I still love Birdie calling him a park ranger given one of my own characters backgrounds was NPS and even used to wear the full outfit, would've loved to see nanny figure out which one like the pointing Spiderman meme

[glad spruce]

Gotta admit, that's pretty funny.

In any case, I should be able to read Compromised today

[waxen sonnet]

Fortunately I now look as someone in the DZ Put it "An Armageddon OSHA inspector"

[waxen sonnet]

Did you order book 3 yet?

[glad spruce]

I have the whole trilogy

[waxen sonnet]

My paperback hunted order keeps getting cancelled annoyingly.

[glad spruce]

That sucks. It was only a few weeks for me when I ordered Recruited and Hunted

[waxen sonnet]

Just seems like Amazon UK is waiting for the import to arrive, in stock again now so just ordered again, definitely my favourite ending of the 3 books

[glad spruce]

You managed to read it?

[waxen sonnet]

Yeah I brought the Kindle fire Ebook version on launch day.

I quite literally have every Division book published 😅

[sleek plover]

I...actually do have a serious lore question this time.

I..missed chapters from stovepipe to Recruiter, and I am still quite confused who Wally is supposed to be as she is not featured/explained on both wiki and the in game database

[waxen sonnet]

So, Wally is a former true sons Engineer who originally worked at the nuclear power plant, before becoming a member of the true sons to side with Captain Lewis and return to the JTF, now serving as a technical skills specialist

iirc.

[sleek plover]

so an ex true sons huh

[waxen sonnet]

Yes, and then the True sons under Captain Lewis who separated from the True sons after there alliance with the BTSU, before that collapsed following most of the member's deaths during the Jefferson trade centre events and shortly thereafter Captain Lewis's demise

[waxen sonnet]

Again, IIRC, There are some collectible Comms from previous manhunts that give some background to Wally in the recent past.

[glad spruce]

IIRC, Broken Wings comms have one audio log of Wally attending a session with Doctor Mitchell Billings

[obtuse arrow]

At this point any agents who don't go rogue are on the wrong side

[glad spruce]

Technically, we're also Rogue since we don't follow Cal's orders 😛

[obtuse arrow]

Good point

[shut barn]

Be rogue is not wrong side, Division Agents have choices what choice be (e.g Brian Johnson) hunter,rogue.

[waxen sonnet]

We're making our own Division, with Blackjack and -

[storm crystal]

Technically were not going rogue when McManus already went rogue

🤔

[waxen sonnet]

Pretty much.

[storm crystal]

We the people division
eagle screaming

[sick lantern]

unironically true, he’s the one who betrayed the division and the country

[storm crystal]

you know whats funny

My nanny....

[wicked gorge]

Idk about y’all, but I’m starting to get sick of the oh being rogue isn’t necessary bad anymore argument, I get it yeah, but it’s just being used too much in my opinion

[glad spruce]

Maybe you're sick of it, but there's still people who sincerely believe that morality in the Division universe is often dictated by the color of an agent's watch

[tall prism]

It is bad wdym? If some people from our military tried to overthrow the rest of it, it becomes our main concern

[waxen sonnet]

Couldnt be me 👀

[steep flame]

That's the whole point. The people in game are sick of it too.

[glad spruce]

You mean sick of being constantly told that being Rogue isn't evil?

[steep flame]

Sick of rouges. Sick of villans. Sick of shooting. Our agent just wants to chill. All this bullshit keeps happening.

[sick lantern]

i have been pretty sick of it tbh
until literally this season, in game a rogue agent has never actually done anything good, since wony it’s been years of people saying the division is bad, the rogues are right, i wanna join the black tusk, whilst they have never actually done anything to warrant it

i’m not saying the attempt at like a morally grey conflict was a bad thing, i’m saying it was poop from a butt

and not to diss the people who said that it was just actually maddening cus it seemed like not too much thought went into it

[waxen sonnet]

I want the original "Save what remains" good guy feel to being a division agent, not stuck between a puppet and a war criminal

[glad spruce]

That's how you see your agent.

My agent is probably starting to think that Keener is making a good point

[glad spruce]

I think that went out the window the moment First Wave got fucked over

[steep flame]

My agent just does things because of peer pressure and mounting expectations.

[waxen sonnet]

And the guy who fucked it over now wants to play hero.

:Angry Jack Noises:

[glad spruce]

I'm just saying. If we're gonna be helping Keener, it'll only be out of necessity

[steep flame]

Kinda fucked now at this point. It's funny.

[waxen sonnet]

And then I'm shooting him.
Again.
Lots.

[glad spruce]

Any excuse I get to have ANNA speak more often is fine by me.

She's fucking hilarious

[waxen sonnet]

God I hate Anna with a passion. ISAC Bromance forever right here

[steep flame]

Both are good.

[glad spruce]

ISAC is fine, he's just a bit binary in his thinking 😔

[waxen sonnet]

I love him for it though, no chat, no bs, just to the point

[glad spruce]

Okay, but if he makes you Rogue one day, what you gonna do? 😛

[sick lantern]

get over it and do something about it tbh
regardless… not gonna start developing biological weapons cus of it

[glad spruce]

Now that's proactive

[waxen sonnet]

Turn him off, wait 5 seconds, turn him back on, works for all IT

[sick lantern]

i won’t go into detail about it but another good component of Hunted is that Maira’s actions to deal with her Rogue status (not a spoiler it’s in the blurb) are in line with what I would expect a real person to do, unlike the retconned jokes of WoNY
the trilogy in general absolutely nails what people… or at least I… want to see Division agents try to do, nails what it means to save what remains

[glad spruce]

Almost as if Keener and his goons are just disillusioned beings who wanted to take control

[waxen sonnet]

I tell you what'd be super funny is it we're all getting worked up by this season and those 3 die next season and leave us solo Vs the BTSU

Just straight up Nat drone strikes the minivan

[lavish galleon]

I still dont get why the sheriff touched the box

[glad spruce]

So Keener could clone the ANNA system to his watch since we have his original and open it

[sick lantern]

that’s what I’d tell you and that’s what Div 1 would tell you
sadly not what a large amount of the fandom, and the game’s plot for a couple of years, would tell you :p

[glad spruce]

What'll be most funnier is Brooklyn having settlements friendly to Keener and his Rogues and downright hostile to the Division

[lavish galleon]

I know what happened, I’m asking like why though, they knew it was probably trapped, and yet they still touched that same one that kelso did, unless the sheriff is just atp doing anything that they hear

[glad spruce]

Does it really matter? We tried to open it, we got shocked and unconscious, and the rest is history.

[storm crystal]

i read the exact line on reddit...was that you? 😄

[glad spruce]

Nah, not me. I simply stole it 😛

[lavish galleon]

I mean technically it does since that’s how keener cloned our watch to his. So what happened if the sheriff didn’t

[storm crystal]

If something good and you cant do better no shame in using it 😛

[waxen sonnet]

If season uh, 13 is it? Doesn start with manny just straight up loosing his shit about what happened its a wasted cutscene.

Pregnant missus Kidnapped
The Agent you gave the mobile SHD Server turns out to be the head of the Hunters
Kelso goes rogue with of all people Keener

Mans having a rough week at work

[glad spruce]

Manny may mean well, but he's stuck between helping his people and focusing on the bigger picture.

[lavish galleon]

i’m sticking with manny though regardless

[storm crystal]

Manny is the real G
how he talked with that ptsd pilot was spoken like a real leader

[glad spruce]

Ugh, I just know Vik Malik is gonna be a jerk about it when the news reach out about Kelso

[lavish galleon]

He jinxed it

[sick lantern]

vik becoming a good guy was foreshadowing for this keener mess…

wonder what baddie will become good next… actually, not infeasible that it could the strategist at this rate lol

[lavish galleon]

Next season hornet’s gonna return for the 3rd time

[glad spruce]

Then we kill him and burn his body

[waxen sonnet]

Not If I shotgun him first.

[lavish galleon]

Speaking of which, wonder if keener will hold a grudge against us or kelso for that

[sick lantern]

keener’s never really valued his allies so i hope not

[waxen sonnet]

Keener Just sounded Impressed we were actually better than him to be honest.

[glad spruce]

Jack, I like you. But I feel like your policy as an agent is shoot first, ask questions never

[waxen sonnet]

And the worrying thing is my Agents a medic 👀

[lavish galleon]

I’m still insulted that the sheriff just never got trusted or an invitation by keener, they killed hunters, and tons of enemies, keener’s like “nah kelso better”

[glad spruce]

He did admit he misjudged us and Lau

[sick lantern]

sometimes decisive action is necessary 🔫

[lavish galleon]

Hunter’s fury go brr

[sick lantern]

Keener better hack some damn Marauders for us, if we’re supposed to work with him I want his skills put to good use

[waxen sonnet]

Pretty sure thats why he needed the Mobile SHD And ANNA.

Pull the ol' rug from under the BTSU's feet by breaking there toys

[lavish galleon]

He better, not trying to deal with another marauder boss fight

[waxen sonnet]

Marauders are fine. Its Sparkles I never want a repeat of in my life.

[lavish galleon]

I want a warhound pet, if keener doesn’t give me one he and everyone else is getting scorpio’d

[glad spruce]

I can deal with Marauders. But Sparkles and any Warhounds like it can go to hell

[waxen sonnet]

I was very embarassed to have to call for help as a WL1000 With sparkles until a level 10000 called for backup over sparkles too

[glad spruce]

Sparkles was the true bullet sponge all along

[lavish galleon]

Keener’s secret is just he has info on sparkles 2.0

[mint citrus]

Sparkles was the real beef gate.

That dog hit HARD

For no damn reason

[wicked gorge]

Sparkles sucks until you figure out playing ring around the Rosie with him

[lavish galleon]

I want a warhound pet though

[glad spruce]

Maybe we'll get bipedal Warhounds as companions

[wicked gorge]

Ik that, at this point the division is very black and white with their rogue actions, but them cramming all this stuff at once saying oh rogue being bad isn’t the complete case, like webkinz said, every rogue we come across is either hostile towards us or just crazy, if they actually fleshed it out into the story instead of coming out of nowhere i would be okay with it, but it feels they’re cramming all of it out of nowhere

You would think at this point some agents would have stolen warhounds but no

[lavish galleon]

Yeah every in game rogue just says how much they want us dead, no updated lines

[wicked gorge]

If they made encounters where we find rogue attacks and they don’t attack us unless we attack them first, I would agree they’re are rogues who aren’t bad, but they barely made any context on it

[lavish galleon]

idk i guess this is also a case of gameplay vs lore or however its called

[wicked gorge]

Yeah, it sucks

[sick lantern]

thing is they still, after wony said “rogues=victims”, did four seasons of content where every rogue shown sans Lau sort of, was an evil tosser
it wasn’t just gameplay and lore segregation, it was lore and lore segregation 😭

[lavish galleon]

Honestly true

[wicked gorge]

The only rogue I feel sympathetic towards was the first ever rogue we hunted down in the first season, the rest feel like bad guys with motives, but Chadwick I think his name was, was kinda depressing to hunt

[sick lantern]

i was gonna say was his name Miles Chadwick but he’s from f_ckin… Telltale’s Jurassic Park: The Game

[wicked gorge]

“Welcome to Divison Park”

[glad spruce]

In any case, I should get to reading Compromised rn.

[gusty fulcrum]

shd box from a distance

:>

[wicked gorge]

My curiousness to open it :()

[cold bramble]

Is it possible keener and Kelso are going to Kansas to the division network core?

[gusty fulcrum]

the brooklyn bridge is the opposite direction of kansas tho

[cold bramble]

Oh 😂

My bad

[gusty fulcrum]

remember the dlc was supposed to be right after this season

so its a complete segway into brooklyn story

[cold bramble]

Ahh okay

So what’s gonna happen with the delay then now?

[gusty fulcrum]

who knows

[storm crystal]

Yea and then they fly with dorothy to the magical land of Oz 😄

[cold bramble]

It seemed like a good theory at the time 😂

[storm crystal]

well in every lie theres a truth

Ortiz

and we a dorothy 😄

[cold bramble]

Yeah

I just hope we have new story in the meantime

[glad spruce]

Finished reading Compromised

[mint citrus]

How was it?

[glad spruce]

Good. Like, really good.

[waxen sonnet]

BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE-

[glad spruce]

True. Which is why I'm currently reading Hunted

[wicked gorge]

Either we’re gonna get more story content or reruns is my guess

[obtuse arrow]

Irrelevant filler content, maybe even repeats of previous seasons.

[cold bramble]

What order do I need to read the books in?

[glad spruce]

Recruited, Compromised, Hunted

[cold bramble]

Okay thank you

[glad spruce]

Oh, and since the DLC is coming out on Y6S3, there's still the first two seasons before it, with Y6S1 coming in June

[cold bramble]

Yeah true

[waxen sonnet]

Finally got paperbacks back in stock, got it next day'd for tomorrow!

[glad spruce]

Excellent

[cold bramble]

Before I found out about the books I never even thought about considering what was happening outside the playable areas. Like Kansas and the other locations mentioned and it’s really interesting

[waxen sonnet]

The books are excellent at both providing a understanding of events across the US outside of the games, but also making Agents and SHD tech seem more grounded and believeable

[cold bramble]

Yeah I agree

So is the shd network back to full functionality yet or is there still areas that are down?

[waxen sonnet]

On and off due to the new BTSU Countermeasure they keep deploying.

[cold bramble]

Ahh I see

Project resolve seems to be the focus before the new content it seems. Which is fair enough. Project resolve is set to wrap up and fully deploy at the start of season 6. Is that correct?

[wicked gorge]

Since we have Birdie, you would think we have a way to counter the black tusk tech but no

[waxen sonnet]

Thats pretty much the way the DLC's heading I think.

[glad spruce]

Problem is that the countermeasure Birdie used also disabled our SHD Tech.

The best way to have a countermeasure is one that doesn't compromise our tech.

[cold bramble]

Will all the seasonal story stuff that I have missed catch up when the new season comes? I haven’t yet had the black tusk attack on the White House or met birdy in game, will this automatically show up or?

[tall prism]

We should get a game/ book from the other side of Division. The factions, have different chapters, different faction each one, going over events from the games

[waxen sonnet]

Not the same, but the Survival guides (New York collapse) pretty neat in that you can read as the outbreak happens so you read it as the factions are forming, especially the cleaners

[tall prism]

Those are in div 1 correct?

[waxen sonnet]

Yes, But the Cleaners are in both the first and second game if you have WONY.

[sick lantern]

Hearts on Fire has some amount of Cleaners and/or LMB perspective iirc

if you care to listen to an audiobook

[tall prism]

Nice

[waxen sonnet]

Not normally an audiobook guy, what's it like?

[glad spruce]

Finished reading Hunted.

Ngl, I really liked Operation Crossroads Trilogy as a whole. Hunted just happens to be my favorite of the trilogy.

[waxen sonnet]

Hawkster in the kindest possible way how the fuck do you read a book so fast?

[glad spruce]

When I enjoy reading a story, I go through it vicariously

[waxen sonnet]

Understatement, You've read two books in a day.

[glad spruce]

Fair. I wasn't content with just finishing Compromised for the day, so I went ahead and read Hunted

[sick lantern]

i’ve not listened to it, i’m not partial to them either
well i’ve never listened to one period but i couldn’t just do it at home i’d probably fall asleep. on the radio in the car i can listen to some bbc radio drama or whatever but not in my own free time

[sick lantern]

the ending was 10/10 right?

[glad spruce]

Yes

[waxen sonnet]

10/10, that Battle needed to be a movie finale in its own right

It was something straight from (a very good) movie

[glad spruce]

It does help that Maira and her countermeasure program is heavily tied in-game

At the moment, I'm trying to visualise how Mobile SHD Servers look like

[ashen jungle]

Speak+Spell but with bird wings stickers.

[waxen sonnet]

Im 90% sure thats what Keener carries away with him in that most recent cutscene.

[glad spruce]

Looks like it

[waxen sonnet]

That it does. and if you recall the descent comms, It was stated to be suitcase sized

I assume knowing Keener and Parnell that server is carrying ANNA

[glad spruce]

Yep.

With the number of Mobile SHD Servers deployed across the US, I doubt they'd design them to be huge lol

[waxen sonnet]

Not just that, as we saw With Kelso, if SHTF It'd need to be carried by an Agent for Cell's to maintain use of the system

[glad spruce]

I'm sorry, SHTF?

Not gonna lie, reading the whole trilogy has even more intrigued me for the narrative in the months to come.

[waxen sonnet]

Its the polite abreviation for "Shit Hits the Fan"

[glad spruce]

Right

[waxen sonnet]

Try broken dawn, Alex Irvine's writing is a little less attractive to me as a reader, but the book regardless is still very good.

[glad spruce]

Doesn't it take place before the base game's story?

[wicked gorge]

Yeah

Whole story is base around Keller and a few other story lines

[cold bramble]

Seems i gotta get these books

[wicked gorge]

So I’ve been playing Wolfenstein lately and im just realizing that the German soldiers have Isac looking bricks on their armor

[desert summit]

Finished the Unknown Signal mission in TD1, and wow...I am..I'm shocked to find out that ||Amherst died.||

[storm crystal]

Something i havent thought about

We know McManus is conspiring
McManus probably knows that we know
He is head of division...

How tf comes we and our friends are still in charge of anything?

[glad spruce]

Given how lacking the pages are for Operation Crossroads novels in the wiki, I could try and write down a synopsis while I still can.

[glad spruce]

Unsurprisingly enough, that was exactly what Amherst wanted.

[marsh sundial]

What I posted in fanart made me think. Has an agent ever got interrupted by our favorite orange boi mid-"duel"

[ashen jungle]

well the SHD watch was only activated once the apocalypse started.

[marsh sundial]

I'm like 99% sure that the end of the world isn't stopping people from doing the monster mash

[ashen jungle]

When 99% of people are dying from what ended the world, you'll wanna be careful.

[glad spruce]

Yes

Also, I'll probably need to re-read the Operation Crossroads novels if I'm gonna give em a detailed summary.

[steep flame]

1% is still round 78 million. We got bodies to spare.

[glad spruce]

Even so, a complete collapse of society and infrastructure could also kill plenty of people.

[steep flame]

Mankind will continue to exist until it loses the will to live. We'll get through it.

[glad spruce]

Indeed

[waxen sonnet]

No Insulin - Dead
On Life support when the grid fails - Dead
Cancer treatment for which your on Chemo - Dead
Basic Infections when your local Pharamcy is outta drugs - Big trouble.

Basically anyone not super fit and healthy who manages to avoid the Green poision can frankly be killed by any pre existing medical condition, even an Asthmatic without acess to a new Inhaler for example.

NY Survival states something very similar, as does other real world survivalist media and books.

[steep flame]

Thus the horror of darwinism shows it's ugly face.

[waxen sonnet]

As the joke from Imgur goes:
Gonna shoot your way out of an Infected Cut Dumbass?

[steep flame]

Project zomboid has taught me that, that specific situation is possible.

[glad spruce]

I kinda feel lost with the timeline of Operation Crossroads books. Does book 2/3 take place after Div 2's current timeline?

[waxen sonnet]

I dont know, because if they kill Nat in the Brooklyn DLC, that knocks the book out of place

So I think it (the books) are current timeline between Wony and Brookyln?

IHDK, It needs clearing up

[glad spruce]

I got the impression by the time book 3 ends (August 29), it was a few months before the current timeline (mid to late October).

[sick lantern]

even at the start of Recruited it says “a year since the outbreak began” which doesn’t line up with Div 2’s dates. really feels like there was a miscommunication or just a lack of care put in to the timeline

[glad spruce]

Maybe its because the lore nerd in me, but I'd really love to get a line with one of the Division writers and talk to em about the timeline.

[steep flame]

A lot of the events Don't have to properly line up. Some of them can happem in tandem with each other. We shall see.

[glad spruce]

True

I guess some of us are just sticklers for continuity lol

[sick lantern]

i might agree if we weren’t given hard dates that don’t match with how the information was presented
all the plot from the Stovepipe manhunt was saying very much that Recruited had happened some days/weeks in the past, which isn’t what the given dates in the book say

if they had just like not given dates in game idk, then we could just imagine that some months had passed off screen (it wouldn’t be the first time that important events happened off screen in div 2)

i understand that in a game franchise with EU media the games have to have a certain degree of a laissez faire approach to the EU media (if you don’t you start dangerously approaching Halo territory)

but it’s like “did they even try?”

[wicked gorge]

I think broken wings takes place a few days after the White House attack and Puppeteers take place the day after your rescue Mari

[glad spruce]

That's confirmed via the Legacy Manhunts timeline

[wicked gorge]

If they wanna make another division book, I could really see a survival story selling well

[glad spruce]

Like a novel depicting a community settlement trying to survive, I reckon?

[ashen jungle]

If they want to link it with the games and use it as promo-work, I could see it being Castle and have a sad ending.
or even a kinda "before and after" where it shows the timeline of both.

[wicked gorge]

Like survival from the division 1, seeing the events through a agents eyes who is struggling

[wicked gorge]

Didn’t they do that with Broken Dawn?

[ashen jungle]

No idea, I stopped reading tie-in novels for stuff when I was subjected to the 2003 Hulk one.

compared to that, whatever you read is a literary masterpiece.

[glad spruce]

One of the four perspective characters in Broken Dawn involves a child living on the Castle Settlement before the massacre

[wicked gorge]

||well spoilers then, but one of the storylines in Broken Dawn follows the Castle settlement before the true sons bombed it||

[ashen jungle]

lol

I appreciate the attempt to be helpful, but you have to admit that was funny.

[wicked gorge]

Us saying basically the same thing?

[ashen jungle]

On my screen they arrived at precisely the same time.

and discord chugged for a second, so it felt like a doctor who timeskip.

[wicked gorge]

They could always make a story about a hunter

They honestly got a whole world they can take a chunk out of that would probably be successful

[ashen jungle]

I doubt we're getting a new one before the DLC if it's in any way related to that storyline.

[wicked gorge]

I doubt it too, but if they want to write another story there’s many choices

[ashen jungle]

The smart thing to do is wait for it to release, then drop some in the mean time between the 2nd expansion and div3.

are there any that relate to Heartland/Resurgence yet?

[wicked gorge]

Stories?

Besides the cgi trailer no

[storm crystal]

Are the authors of the books in anyway involved with the ubisoft writers?

or are they just fanfictions?

[wicked gorge]

In some capacity yes

[ashen jungle]

They are officially licenced.

you don't get to write a paid series like div without having permission.

[storm crystal]

I see so Ubisoft is communicating with them and they have common ground and canon

[ashen jungle]

I saw them similar to the EU star wars books.
canon in their time, but subject to booting if need be.

[wicked gorge]

That would be funny if parrott just wrote them as a fan story

The story I wanna see the most is following Keener after the pullout of the dark zone and his decedent into becoming a rogue

[ashen jungle]

The comms in WONY kinda cover that, to an extent.

[wicked gorge]

To an extent yeah, but fully fleshing keener out and talking on more stuff would be interesting

[ashen jungle]

Sounds probably too close to what the DLC is going to be, assuming that they don't save the Keener/Theo/3rd one that shall be unnamed for div3.

[wicked gorge]

Does anyone else feel like they might kill keener at the end of the dlc?

[ashen jungle]

Unless they pull a Recruiter on him, they can just bring him back again.

a lot of the tension is gone when everyone is immortal.

[wicked gorge]

That would be funny, you killed him, but we brought him back just to kill him again a few months later

Since he’s alive now, I wanna see the explanation on why he bombed city hall

[ashen jungle]

and why he tried to kill all of Manhattan.

also what is up with that haircut.

that last one is less critical.

[steep flame]

No no. It is very critical.

Perhaps the haircut is what drove him to madness.

[ashen jungle]

I like to think it's having to fake an american accent.

[wicked gorge]

Plot twist keener was a good guy until his barber cut too much hair off

[glad spruce]

Considering that the Kelso bundle from the story has a weapon skin called double agent, that's kinda on the nose

[ashen jungle]

I mean she is for us, although I do suspect that she's also not wanting to be rogue and only using Keener to complete her objective.

[wicked gorge]

Maybe its true they’re really brother and sister and she knew he was alive the whole time

[ashen jungle]

e.g. her last comm mentioning Lau, kinda sounds like she's going to go that route. Unless she literally sees Keener as a means to an end.

wait, brother and sister? I doubt it.

[wicked gorge]

I dont remember where I saw it, but a couple of ppl theorized they were family, if that’s the actual case that’s one hell of a family reunion

[ashen jungle]

That would kinda come out of nowhere.

then again so did this plot so

[wicked gorge]

One thing I want in div 3 is the ability to put my watch anywhere

[storm crystal]

I want a Flavor Flav style Division watch...

😁

[waxen sonnet]

You'd be somewhat correct mate, Broken dawn ties into events incredibly early on in the Division 2, mainly the rising power and territory claims of the TS.

[waxen sonnet]

You better believe Im having to restrain myself to not spend £155 for one of the Collectors SHD watches rn.

[summer lava]

I like to think that the real reason Keener is back is that he was running a reviver hive

That should be the canon explanation for both him and Hornet

[steep flame]

my man held the button to stem the bleeding. then he popped the healing ult from Div 1.

[summer lava]

One of his squadmates put him in a survival lobby or something

[summer lava]

The Eclipse Virus was primarily made to kill his hairdresser

[wicked gorge]

Give in to your temptation , this message is sponsored by your inner demons

[waxen sonnet]

The whole collectors edition is for sale in the bundle but I literally just want the watch and the rest of the edition is for PS4, which I dont even have.

Come pay day, it will be mine

[summer lava]

This is the exact problem I have with bringing him back. And now I don’t really know how this Faye/Keener/Viper/Schaffer alliance thing is working because I genuinely don’t know who is betraying who anymore

Can someone make a diagram or something?

[wicked gorge]

I want to develop a division watch with a Isac ai in it

[summer lava]

ISAC will, like Apple Maps, bring you the longest way round to your destination

[waxen sonnet]

Schaffer is turned by Lau after Lau Informs him the hunters are working for Calvin McManus, which he realises means the BTSU and elements of the SHD are working together for a power play. Viper and Keener where the ones to Push Lau to get inside the BTSU by going Rogue and being recruited by Schaffer so she can see whats going on from the Inside (In the black tusk this is) and get herself an BTSU Clearance level in the process

Keeping up or am I loosing you?

[wicked gorge]

I want to change Siri to Isac on my phone and see how that goes

[summer lava]

I think I get it? So Keener and Lau were “friendly” before the events of WONY, and Keener used Viper to get Lau to infiltrate the Black Tusk on his behalf?

[wicked gorge]

Yep

[summer lava]

Ok got it

[waxen sonnet]

Not exactly Friendly, They needed each other and knew the enemy of my Enemy is my Freind. but yep, you're spot on that latter bit.

[ashen jungle]

When you try to load up an app "can it wait for a bit, I'm in the middle of some calibrations".

[summer lava]

And so Viper told Lau about Keener AFTER she agreed to join BT? Or before? Like did she know she was doing it for Keener when she initially went rogue?

[wicked gorge]

Yes

[summer lava]

Bruh moment

[wicked gorge]

That’s when you slap the phone

[waxen sonnet]

Which is why we discover that keener made the deal that split activation of that lockbox into two watches needed. Lau stipulated that as apart of working with Keener

A saftey net so to speak.

[summer lava]

So according to the wiki, Keener attacks City Hall to kill any Division agents embedded as Hunters (like Brian Johnson). But the whole time I have to wonder “why did NOBODY tell any of us this?”. Like, how much if Keener’s plan from WONY was actually legit? Did he WANT to use the eclipse rocket to kill everyone or no?

I’d have happily sided with Keener over the Black Tusk.

[glad spruce]

As the novel Dune once said, there are plans within plans

[wicked gorge]

Im sorry but if that’s the case, that is the most bullshit way to do that

[glad spruce]

Keener isn't exactly the type to trust easily

[summer lava]

Like I don’t get it. It kinda feels like Ubisoft are trying to G-Man Aaron Keener lmao

[ashen jungle]

Keener executed a bunch of 100% innocent people and they're going to pretend it was justified now.
I totally called this happening as soon as I saw the "keener was right" skin.

[summer lava]

He’s just “whatever the writer needs him to be this time”

[wicked gorge]

I wouldn’t go that far

[ashen jungle]

g-man isn't an anti hero.

[waxen sonnet]

I Still agree with you though Rivens about everyone in that Minivan being dead by the end of Brooklyn.

[summer lava]

EXACTLY. They make him a psychopath in WONY and then try to walk back and pull the “it was all an act” card. Like he’s Taylor Swift after Reputation or something lmao

[ashen jungle]

Imagine if after all this hassle we cut to next Season and BT just bombed the bridge, killing all 3.

[wicked gorge]

The dlc is gonna be “ oh I was off my medication, that’s why I did it”

[summer lava]

“I had an identical twin”

[glad spruce]

It looks like yall arguing this in bad faith,

[wicked gorge]

Shhh dont give Ubisoft ideas

[waxen sonnet]

I said this the other day!

[summer lava]

Watch it be revealed that this Keener is actually the first game’s agent in disguise or some shit

[waxen sonnet]

BTSU Drone strike

[glad spruce]

Do you want the Black Tusk gone or not?

[ashen jungle]

Our Agent from div1 duct-tapes a Decoy to them and pretends to be Keener for months.

[summer lava]

Guys I think Hawkster is working for Aaron Keener

[glad spruce]

And I think you're a dumb asa

[waxen sonnet]

Play nicely.

[ashen jungle]

Nah they're a fun antagonist and without them we have to go back to "we got sad on an island so we are justified in killing puppies"

[summer lava]

How can a 29 year old man take jokes about a game series this seriously?

[waxen sonnet]

If you call BTSU Fun again Im sending you to Sparkles.

[wicked gorge]

Okay lore wise, why hasn’t the black tusk wiped out the White House, ik they don’t want to destroy it, but realistically, they could easily reactivate the countermeasures, go in and either kill everyone who fights and take whoever surrenders

[waxen sonnet]

The stagger minigun hounds are just PAIN

[ashen jungle]

Liberty+big shield. Dead in one round.

[waxen sonnet]

Alr next time I have to do that manhunt on a new Character im dragging you along.

[ashen jungle]

honestly the BoO section of that manhunt was harder once i figured it out.

[summer lava]

Sparkles can fuck off

[ashen jungle]

This is sounding a bit like the people who complain about Floor 100 not being able to be cheesed anymore.

[glad spruce]

Sparkles feels more like a test of endurance

[wicked gorge]

Anyone else find it funny the Divison never decided to take the A-10 guns from the capital or the ironworks?

[summer lava]

Nah I just had a hard time with him and decided not to replay it ever

[waxen sonnet]

See, SEE, THIS MAN GETS IT!

[wicked gorge]

Welcome to the true division experience

[ashen jungle]

the gun at Capitol Hill is still there and yeah why didn't we take it.

mount that on the BoO and point it at the Hovercraft.

[waxen sonnet]

I mean the logistics for something that would eat through whatever little ammo you could source it is not worth the hassle

[glad spruce]

Mind the collateral damage

[waxen sonnet]

That thinks like a 30mm firing god knows what RPM

[wicked gorge]

Would you want the black tusk having it

[ashen jungle]

"insta kill" RPM, I think is the technical term.

[waxen sonnet]

Gentlemen. Thermite charges

[ashen jungle]

Our Agent has unlimited C4 during missions, I'm sure enough of that would do it.

[wicked gorge]

EXACTLY, they left very powerful weapons alone, they either take it or destroy it

[summer lava]

Welcome everyone to the world of Tom Clancy’s The Division series

[wicked gorge]

We only have c4 when the plot demands

[ashen jungle]

We use it to take a gate of its hinges at Roosevelt, which always made me laugh.

[waxen sonnet]

We're thinking Miniguns which makes me wonder right

Every Blackhawk we fly on, would be so much easier landing at enemy locations if it literally had a 7.62 Minigun doorgunner like irl.

Just BRRRRRRRTTTTT there goes your nice quiet empty landing spot all good now

[ashen jungle]

I think us killing any BT who rappel out before they hit the floor warns us off using them too much.

[wicked gorge]

“Sir theres enemies in that house” “what house?”

[summer lava]

Story of the Division 1 summarized in 13 words

[wicked gorge]

I think that’s a war crime if im right

[waxen sonnet]

Parachutists, not Rappelling.

[ashen jungle]

So is Firewall.
Actually that's about Outcasts, but I don't disagree.

[summer lava]

Who they gonna complain to, the UN?

[wicked gorge]

The story of the Divison 1 for me is hehe pink Pom Pom pretty

[waxen sonnet]

Dont they literally say we're above the Geneva convetion anyway

[ashen jungle]

"geneva suggestion" is absolutely tattoo'd on my Agents arm.

[wicked gorge]

Technically we’ve all committed war crimes

[ashen jungle]

I use way too many flame turrets to be following it

Also according to Rule 62 of Video Games: "all helicopters must explode dramatically in an intro".

[summer lava]

I like how the Extra Credits video on the Division tried to make a whole point about shooting minorities or the poor or some shit when it’s like, “fam I walked in their general vicinity and they threw a grenade at me”

[ashen jungle]

Youtubers stirring up controversy to get clicks, tale as old as time.

[wicked gorge]

This has always bugged me, but I hate we can’t shoot the black tusk pilot flying the blackhawks

Or blow them up

[ashen jungle]

That's Jeff, you don't shoot Jeff.

[summer lava]

Jeff is cool

[ashen jungle]

I like to think we pay Jeff off and that's why they always pull into a bad area.

[summer lava]

Ubisoft is gonna make Jeff a key part of the story soon

[wicked gorge]

Well Jeff brought 3 medics and a tank to a war zone on heroic with all five directives on, me and Jeff arent on good terms

[summer lava]

Jeff is secretly Scarecrow from D1’s Police Academy mission

[ashen jungle]

Jeff helped design the fact that BT are covered in giant explody red things.
Jeff is a hero.

[summer lava]

Jeff is Aaron Keener in disguise

[wicked gorge]

What if we’re Arron Keener

[ashen jungle]

The fact that ISAC's VA's surname is literally Keener is never going to come up both delights and bothers me

[wicked gorge]

I like to think Lau is alive but her brains in a jar connected to a super computer so she’s completely useless

[summer lava]

The revived Keener is the first game’s agent, Jeff is actually the original Aaron Keener, and Jessica Kandle is actually Natalia Sokolova

[waxen sonnet]

Truth is, Game was rigged from the start 🔫

[wicked gorge]

“Where’s the chip keener” clocks big iron

[ashen jungle]

The person who is helping to cure the virus is named Kandel. To light the way.
I do see why she's been absent for so long.

[wicked gorge]

She’s in Michigan

[ashen jungle]

"who let the 1st year english major write the script?"

[summer lava]

I do kinda hate how some of the story’s minor named antagonists have now become like, key parts of the story now. Like Viper and Kestrel are now retroactively important parts of the story and I killed them listening to Fall Out Boy at 7pm on a Wednesday

[waxen sonnet]

What about that because of the events of Broken dawn and Ann arbor

They just lowkey just "nah lets leave that wayyyyyy open" moment

[summer lava]

I like to imagine that Kandel is with the first agent. Like the first agent was sent to protect her on her way to Michigan or something

[wicked gorge]

They literally brought up the research lab as a very important place and went “ nah fam, perfect place for a battleground”

[waxen sonnet]

Well see that part makes sense to me, Its the fact after all this time they've not elaborated on the aftermath even once that makes no sense to me

[ashen jungle]

My one is off on a private island.

love that grey-canon.

[wicked gorge]

I wanna know if Ronson survived dammit

[ashen jungle]

Mark? I did like Uptown Funk.

[wicked gorge]

-_-you did not just say that

[waxen sonnet]

He better not have, My man Aurelio Diaz is gonna right hook him again otherwise.

And then Imma shoot him

[wicked gorge]

I liked both characters and they’re Mia now, im sad

[steep flame]

We need a boss named Alex. Make themst very strong.

[wicked gorge]

Aurelio was the goat in that book

[waxen sonnet]

In a way im super glad they didnt make Aurelio the recruiter or a hunter yet, he seemed as well minded to being on the right side of things as our agent

[summer lava]

Watch the ultimate final boss of the Division series be fucking Manny

Manny is Calvin McManus

[waxen sonnet]

Calvin Mcmanus in a beefed up Hunter suit is my bet unironically

[ashen jungle]

We actually have one in both games already.

[wicked gorge]

Manny after he down 20 margaritas and said he’s talking our sheriff toy away

[steep flame]

It's. Not. Enough.

[ashen jungle]

there's a named something in div2, one of the snitch cards IIRC.

Hyena maybe?

[summer lava]

The souls of every "Alex" we killed in Division 1 come back to haunt us

[wicked gorge]

But here’s the truth question, is the real Alex a boy or a girl?

I loved the devs picking at the Alex thing in div1

[summer lava]

I kinda hate the fact that this is probably gonna be what happens. Just because it's a Ubisoft game and that's the kinda thing they do. That or Sokolova in a sniper fight or something

I wonder if there's any Hunters that THEMSELVES went rogue? Like rogue hunters that ally with us, so we'd have Division agents and rogue hunters vs rogue agents vs hunters, BTSU, and True Sons

[wicked gorge]

I feel they’re boss fight is gonna be a pain in the ass

[wicked gorge]

Technically Viper

[waxen sonnet]

I strongly think either a Hunter or Cal will kill Nat moments before we arrive, to which we then fight McManus in a hunter gear.

[summer lava]

Imagine if the end credits to Division 3 is Bardon Schaffer waking up and just being like "ok let's do this" only to be told "yeah dude you missed A LOT"

[wicked gorge]

Manny pulls a chair up “ took your fucking time sleepy head”

[waxen sonnet]

"Schaffer opens the BTSU Bunker doors to let the agent in and is immediatly shot dead"

[wicked gorge]

I would be pisssed honestly

[summer lava]

Wait did Schaffer know about Keener and Lau?

[wicked gorge]

I don’t think so, but lau was working with Schaffer

[summer lava]

Like did he know Lau was working with Keener? Because like, otherwise why would he "surrender" to us and not Keener and co

[wicked gorge]

So its possible

[summer lava]

Honestly I do feel like it's one of those cases where Ubisoft realized Keener kinda carried parts of the story and so they brought him back and pulled the "everything is not what it seems" card to justify him murdering a bunch of innocent people

[wicked gorge]

Its like resident evil, keener laying there bleeding out and eats a green herb and presto, he’s back at full health

[summer lava]

Keener is becoming to the Division what Colonel Sanders is to KFC

A face/mascot that the creators bring back as needed to attract attention. Maybe I'm just cynical though

[wicked gorge]

I can hear his slogan now “welcome to the good division, ignore the bad stuff”

[sick lantern]

i’d agree

or like Makarov in CoD, they were memorable and charismatic once so just dangle them to regain a little attention

[sick lantern]

the Memento backpack flavour text is the closest thing (which isn’t like real plot is it lol)
otherwise they’re seemingly far too indoctrinated and/or crazy

[floral gull]

And there it is

[storm crystal]

Nah

Ubisoft faked Keeners death

[undone verge]

Always double tap

[late void]

The impression I got from the manhunt comms was that Lau herself didn't know she was working for Keener, he was pulling her strings through viper. Not sure if Schaeffer knew or not.

[glad spruce]

That's pretty much my impression as well. He pulled the strings so Viper could get Lau into Black Tusk with Lau none the wiser

[lavish galleon]

I’ve always thought of the memento backpack as an agent hunting down hunters rather than like a rogue hunter

[lavish galleon]

Alex is simply Alex

[glad spruce]

I feel like I'm a bit confused with Kelso being former CIA paramilitary officer before joining the Division, Is it like when she used to do murders and make em look like an accident or something?

[sick lantern]

(probably yes)
after a matter of seconds of googling she was part of this i presume

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Activities_Center

[glad spruce]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[sick lantern]

if the division was a much more popular franchise someone would’ve made an LMB Kelso AU by now

[ashen jungle]

I can confirm that quite a lot of div fan-fiction exists. It's likely that a lot of that related to Kelso.

[sick lantern]

the last one i remember looking at had Ellis’ wife be the creator of ISAC, was very strange

[glad spruce]

I wonder how that author felt when it turns out Ortiz Robotics were the ones who created ISAC alongside ANNA and DIAMOND xD

[summer lava]

What a fanbase we have boys

Also I just had a shower thought of “What if the first game’s agent had something to do with Lau being ok working with Keener?” Like they joined Keener after Unknown Signal and that helped convince Lau once Viper broke the news to her

[summer lava]

This is exactly what it feels like to me. They become an almost watered down version of their original selves that kinda betray the whole point of the original

[steep flame]

I just wanna either fight my agent from the first game or fight with him. Lemme do that.

[glad spruce]

That means they're getting a voice which could be a slippery slope to some.

I have a better idea. Why not have the game acknowledge our agent is mute?

[sick lantern]

it would have to have happened after WSP
“don’t come looking for me, i’ll contact you” Keener said

iirc

[glad spruce]

Besides that, how would facing off against our Div 1 agent feel like if they were your typical Rogue Agent encounter?

[sick lantern]

it would be like when you fight Zero in Mega Man 10 or whatever

[wicked gorge]

Striker 1 vs Striker 2

[summer lava]

I mean my first game’s agent had that broken Ninjabike bag

[lavish galleon]

Well we talking like ultimates/links too?

[steep flame]

Yes. They should use that. It would be funny

It just ain't for you, i suppose.

[wicked gorge]

Im looking through the legacy manhunts and it’s just fucking crazy that everything after wony is 3 months later

I think it’s just from the actual time it took to come out, but damn that is surprising

[glad spruce]

Always best to keep in mind that the in-game timeline don't move as the real world timeline 😄

[cold bramble]

wait so how much time in game has past since the events of WONY?

[wicked gorge]

3 months

[cold bramble]

damm

is that as of this season?

[wicked gorge]

Idk how long this season takes place after puppeteers but it’s probably a day to a week from killing Johnson

[cold bramble]

that's interesting

[glad spruce]

We'll most likely know next season since they'll add the last Manhunt mission in Legacy Manhunts menu by that time

[cold bramble]

true

[marsh sundial]

Weird thoughts, what if the dlc has doing a manhunt for our d1 agent. Post game is the return of more d1 features

[ashen jungle]

As of right now what happend to our div1 Agent is "Grey canon", so it's what you make of it.
I don't really want them to lock it in, as that would ruin the majority of people's head-canons.

[marsh sundial]

True, it would be one of those "hyped to 60% but that 40 would be nettled" moments

[ashen jungle]

I call it "pulling a Revan".

[summer lava]

The first game’s agent disappeared to become the protagonist of the next Far Cry game

[wicked gorge]

Dammit now I want a crossover between far cry 5 protagonist and our div 1 agent, perfect crossover

[ashen jungle]

before or after New Dawn?

(for those who don't know, the protagonist from FC5 is in New Dawn)

[steep flame]

Fuq all that jazz. If ubisoft is pumping nier skins for R6. I want Division and Nier shenanigans. The outfits would be top tier. Hell, throw a Yautja fight in Division 2 at this point. Go bonkers.

[wicked gorge]

Before, div 1 will be running around shooting everyone, while rook is running high on weed, stamina, strength, and hunter instinct while swing his shovel and throwing it with the velocity of a bullet

[ashen jungle]

The ending to FC5 does kinda block off any options for a crossover, but I guess if we're doing FC tie-ins I could think of worse options.

[wicked gorge]

Far cry isnt cannon to any Ubisoft games i know of, so I see it as a fun crossover with lots of bullshit for fun

Plus the ending is debated a lot

That game series is enough can of worms tho

[ashen jungle]

Potential canon aside, Far Cry is a bit generic to base outfits off.

maybe Blood Dragon, but pretty much the rest of them are just in normal clothes.

[wicked gorge]

Eh, I could care less for the clothing, I either go tactical looking or just stupid, it’s not like the Divison where you’ll see your character in 3rd person

[ashen jungle]

So what would the point of a Far Cry event be? The protag' of FC5 doesn't really have a personality or a voice, or even a distinct style for an outfit.

[wicked gorge]

Tbh it would probably be a apparel event, just add costumes like Vass, Joesph, etc, definitely would bring a lot of love and attention to the Divison 2

If they actually do a mission where we fight with a character and just make up some stupid ass bullshit like dying light 2 recently did, i dont think anyone would mind and just enjoy it

[ashen jungle]

We've had non canon tie-ins before, but not a real fresh one since RE, unless you count that weird half anime thing.

I kind of feel like we can make pretty similar outfits to those people already, we're only super lacking a suit that's not the early one.

[wicked gorge]

As long as I get the optimistic shovel as a backpack charm, I will be happy

But if Ubisoft dips away from some cannon clothing and go for more stupid stuff then I’d think it would go well, if they add a onesie everyone would farm for it

[ashen jungle]

I do wear the cat ears hat a lot.

[steep flame]

Yeah that girls Frontline thing was weird.

[ashen jungle]

Oh this wasn't that, this was another thing entirely.

the Apparel Event with the Powerbank Uniform.

unless it's the same thing, I don't really do anime.

[wicked gorge]

Exactly, they can make that stuff lore cannon by saying they were scavenged from a convention or he’ll pull a watchdogs and have a small side mission where you raid a Ubisoft building and find outfits like assassins, far cry, r6, they can make those cannon by making those games actual games in the timeline

Plus I want a 🦖 outfit now

[ashen jungle]

I do like that in WD2 you actually do break into a Ubisoft office.

[wicked gorge]

Lore friendly and adding stupid costumes, idk tho, I think a lot of ppl are disliking the recent apparel events and from what I noticed the more stupid ones caught ppls eyes, I run the doggie bag from the nexts event

If push comes to shove they can always find a way to get power armor in the game

[ashen jungle]

Eh, people complain about anything. Unless there's actually action taken beyond some light complaining I see no issue there.

[wicked gorge]

I liked all the events, but the division has always felt silly to me with clothing, I think the first game had a perfect blend between tactical and fun shit, im not really sure about the second game tho, feels more tactical

Are there any Christmas decorations still in the main game, ik a couple of places in New York have Christmas decorations but i don’t recall seeing any in dc

[ashen jungle]

There's a massive area just south of the White House full of them.

between DCD mission start and the Helicopter.

[wicked gorge]

Oh yeah the Christmas market

[ashen jungle]

There really wasn't that much time to remove them between Black Friday and Green Poison getting crazy.

[wicked gorge]

Yeah, I just didn’t remember if dc had much, idk why but i remember the streets being more empty of decorations

[ashen jungle]

There's a few locations around. Another spot where there's a Hunter spawn does too.

[sleek plover]

As far as i know, far cry, watch dogs and assassins creed seem to share universes at least partially.

The division, however, belongs to the Tom clancy universe.

Even for Ubi, bringing ubi originals to tom clancy verse would be sacrilegious

[limpid monolith]

All these unknowns floating around in the D2 universe has me uneasy.

Keener said he could help with the Hunters, but I can throw a rock further than I can trust him.

What is so special in that box?

After hearing mentions of Mari's and Manny's bedside stories being broadcast on comms during missions, I think I'm very good.

On a slight tangent: how many more damn Hunters out there? I'm sure many raid fire teams at Pentco alone have killed a whole battalion right about now.

[gaunt ice]

the briefcase looks like a mobile shd server ngl

or maybe…mobile anna server now

[astral sonnet]

I don't know why but I was kinda hoping Kelso would pop out of the box like a burlesque dancer in a birthday cake

[hallow topaz]

Idk where else I should propose this but:
I think Div3 should have PvE & PvP gear and weapon talents.
So that if something is nerfed or buffed on one side, it doesn't mess with the other.
What do others think?

[glad spruce]

This is lore channel

If you really wanna write a wishlist slop, do it somewhere else

[obtuse arrow]

#td2-general-chat

[hallow topaz]

Slop?
I just thought Universe stood for "anything in The Division world".
Didn't know people would become angry and start calling me names for it...
Zacht gekookt eitje dat je dr rond rolt😘

[spare arrow]

The channel is generally Division lore and stuff from outside sources, such as the books. In future, you can use #td2-general-chat or #off-topic-discussions for "stuff i want in Division 3"

[hallow topaz]

Thanks👌

[waxen sonnet]

We also specialise in wacky game conspiracys that sometimes comes true 👀

[glad spruce]

That is true.

[waxen sonnet]

Still annoyed we were so wrong about this seasons ending 🙃

[glad spruce]

Which reminds me, Broken Wings comms have one audio log of Kelso attending a therapy session where she admits she feels she doesn't belong in D.C anymore.

[waxen sonnet]

Kelso seemed to feel unwelcomed as time went on in DC, And perhaps feels overshadowed by the Sheriff being seen as the better agent

And seemed on the opposite well liked by the Haven settlement since they lost out on Lau

[glad spruce]

Call me insane, but I am trying to theorycraft Kelso's mindset as of the current timeline and how it affects her actions we've seen this season and the coming seasons/DLC.

[waxen sonnet]

She was always loyal to Lau, looked up to her almost and I think when Lau went rogue it broke her spirit badly. Now Kelso knows Lau went rogue and why, she's a new sense of purpose and she's driven to finish what Lau started, both for her memory and to see out the end of the BTSU

[glad spruce]

That's true. You see someone who you've been loyal to for a time go rogue, crushes you.

And to find that someone was going rogue for a good reason, you want to do whatever you can to finish what they started by any means necessary.

[royal viper]

do you think kelso is a hunter, since vik teased it few seasons back & this season had a comm where keener found out a rogue is a hunter

[glad spruce]

Frankly, I don't think so. I think Vik is more concerned whether Kelso can be trusted over whether she is a Hunter or not

[eager mountain]

For a moment as the fight started I thought the tanker hunter was her.

[glad spruce]

The Hunter had a male body, so I doubt it