division-universe

[gaunt ice]

honestly if they add Mitchell and Nomad into r6s maybe,just maybe ill play it

just cuz it confirms that ubisoft still remembers ghost recon is a thing after they shot it to death in 2022

[austere portal]

Ghost Recon is A group of specialists that do infiltration in foreign countries , nothing new lol

[cyan haven]

I’m talking about the Division as an organisation, since they’re a civilian organisation, they could still exist and be activated separate from rainbow and the ghosts I know the Division is set in a different timeline to the main timeline

[gaunt ice]

you're ignoring the worldwide pandemic that probably sent half the world back an era

[austere portal]

Division is after a pandemic
Extraction happens to have a pandemic?
Coincidence I think not

[spare arrow]

they arent a civilian organisation, they are gov't "employees"

[gaunt ice]

green poison is made by Amherst
whatever the spiky zombie thing in r6 extraction is from space

next you'll say left 4 dead and division is in the same universe

because muh outbreak

[austere portal]

Space Jace , Amherst Hamburg ,

Speculation

[gaunt ice]

like ubisoft just wants division to be its own thing and its obvious

[cyan haven]

I’m not lmao, I’m saying that the events of the division are in an entirely separate timeline to ghost recon, splinter cell, r6, the organisation could realistically exist assuming directive 51 also exists in the main universe, but in the main universe, echelon canonically dealt with Amherst before he could make green poison

[sick lantern]

if amherst exists then surely it's fair to say the division is also canon in that 'verse

just haven't been activated or relevant

[gaunt ice]

"echelon canonically dealt with Amherst before he could make green poison" is this headcanon or a real thing

[sick lantern]

cus you know... no reason to be

[gaunt ice]

headcanonically i guess

[sick lantern]

it's real

[gaunt ice]

huh

[sick lantern]

it was in a Splinter Cell book

[cyan haven]

It’s mentioned in Splinter Cell Dragonfire

[gaunt ice]

neat

[austere portal]

He did. But by no means does that guarantee they won’t be like “oh no he didn’t die” because Tom clam

[gaunt ice]

dang that got filtered

[austere portal]

Lmao 🤣

[gaunt ice]

i was gonna say that how can you screw up a neck snap

or bomb

Amherst is like 50 something

[austere portal]

How do half the gadgets in the games work ? Science fiction lol

[gaunt ice]

he's not surviving whatever Echelon throws at him,heck i doubt he can even walk up the stairs properly

[spare arrow]

filter really hates the "f- up", because "F U" is in it

[austere portal]

How old do you think echelon is ?

[gaunt ice]

eh Sam Fisher is still kicking ass rn so

[sick lantern]

"Third Echelon (sometimes spelled 3rd Echelon, abbreviated as 3ECH and 3E) was a top-secret initiative within the various intelligence branches of the National Security Agency (NSA) established in 2003[1] (or the 1990s according to the novels and Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Essentials)"

[gaunt ice]

resisting the masculine urge to nerd react

tho this made me think of something

[sick lantern]

hey man it took like five seconds of googling and a copy paste, it aint nerdy, it's basic

[austere portal]

Because Sam is 68

[gaunt ice]

what would black tusk do then

[austere portal]

Bro is ancient

[gaunt ice]

like they prepped for this outbreak and whatnot just for some guy in a 3 eye nods to screw it up

whats next?invade USA as a PMC?overthrow the Russian government for the whatever time it is?

[sick lantern]

they would break the fourth wall and ask Massive to involve them in a remake of World in Conflict

when you think about it it's utter nonsense that their plan hinged entirely on the actions of one virologist they didn't even control

[gaunt ice]

why cant they just say like "Amherst was funded by black tusk"

[sick lantern]

like imagine McManus is out there recruiting Hunters and Sokolova was building the Black Tusk with no guarantee they'll even be activated in their lifetimes

[gaunt ice]

given what they've done to le lore it would be the worst thing ever

[sick lantern]

imagine mcmanus dies of old age the day before black friday

[gaunt ice]

"oh wow these generous donors to my project sure helped,i wonder why they'd advocate for world destruction tho whatever"

[gaunt ice]

Keener would still be into stock trading

they should reference division elements or something in it idk

hi this is aaron keener how can i help you today

would Keener invest in dogecoin and lose everything

has the virus died down now

i dont recall it being relevant past the y1 campaigns

oh wow the apparatus was taken by black tusk

[sick lantern]

it wasn't even relevant when the bioreactor came up, we secured it and used it for NOTHING

[gaunt ice]

i think Kelso said something like "we have no one capable of operating it" or something

[sick lantern]

they had tchernenko, the bsav, and the bioreactor, and there was not a single mention of manufacturing or distributing cures/vaccines/anything

[gaunt ice]

yea only after Tchernenko

[sick lantern]

and then in the cutscene for season 9? iirc
Kelso basically says don't gaf anymore about the virus

[gaunt ice]

she did?

[sick lantern]

yes

[gaunt ice]

nah ur gaslighting me right

theres no way we're that low

[sick lantern]

paraphrasing here but she was talking with manny and basically said
"f_cking amherst"
"ehh we've got bigger shit to deal with now."

essentially an admiattance from the writers, the virus doesn't matter

[gaunt ice]

the "bigger" shit to deal with

yea right 5 random true sons grunts and a self proclaimed general

like the 200 other ones we piled up somewhere

thanks Kelso

[sick lantern]

and then mr general disappears from the plot

[gaunt ice]

YEA FR WHERE TF IS BRO

did he get offscreened after he handed all the true sons over to Natto or whatever

that knockoff aiden pearce looking mf

yknow if division sorta exists in the "main" TC timeline rn

then vice versa where tf are they in our timeline

like you'd think that an invasion on US soil would trigger a response a bit more than orange wristwatch nerds that died like 70% 6 months later

[sick lantern]

wdym

oh you mean right i see

omfg this automod

[ashen jungle]

It's really not that hard to dodge it.

as Aspect said, just don't use f--- then u/you.

[sick lantern]

the Doylist explanation is simply that Ubisoft doesn't care/see the need enough to have any meaningful cross promotion in Div

the watsonian explanation is that they're dead or infrastructure is gone or etc

[ashen jungle]

Frankly the less cross-universe stuff the better.

The last thing we need is another franchise to ruin div by making us fangirl over that character.
cough Breakpoint cough.

[gaunt ice]

i mean Sam in breakpoint wasn't that bad

[ashen jungle]

in both of them he was just plain annoying.
and darn did his missions suck.

[gaunt ice]

for me only the wildland one sucked when they made you stealth thru the entire first half

[ashen jungle]

the game 100% knew I could nuke the entire site in 2 seconds, so they made me go kidnap someone.

[gaunt ice]

the breakpoint one was like,much better cuz less restrictions

the robots are still the worst part of it tho

hmm yes i love bullet sponge in my tactical immersion shooter hmmm

[ashen jungle]

Both games did have bigger problems than tie-ins.
but then so does div, no game is perfect.

[gaunt ice]

eh agree to disagree

[supple river]

'morning, folks

how's everyone doing over here?

[glad spruce]

I sleep for several hours and I see some person really down bad for a Division cross-over to other TC properties

[supple river]

hmm

I mean, they've done it with Ghost Recon, Splinter Cell, and Rainbow Six Siege

but I dunno about it The Division being up for a crossover...

[ashen jungle]

It doesn't really make a whole lot of sense, since it is the post apocalypse.

I honestly think the time is right for a Fallout crossover, give us some madmax 2 style outfits and such.

[supple river]

I dunno about Madmax...

'cause that's post nuclear war type stuff

[glad spruce]

As long said Fallout crossover doesn't involve Power Armor

[ashen jungle]

A lot of the style in Fallout is based off the Mad Max films, specifically 2 (aka: Road Warrior)

Dogmeat, the shotgun, raider armour, etc.

[supple river]

hmm

I dunno, mate

I don't think Division's setting matches with Mad Max or Fallout

they're using scraps of whatever wasn't incinerated by nuclear fire

[ashen jungle]

I also love that his surname is Rockatansky and it's never brought up.
of course it doesn't match, but neither does Resident Evil or pretty much any Tom Clancy game.

[supple river]

wait they did a crossover between RE and Division?

[ashen jungle]

Yep, and even re-ran it.

[sick lantern]

only some outfits

[supple river]

yikes

[ashen jungle]

Outfits, the Nemesis mask, gun skins, backpack charms.

There's even a Leon Kennedy outfit.

was for the 20th anniversary IIRC.

[supple river]

I just wanna write my story set in TCD2 with some gfl-inspired Agent characters and also shines light on the JTF

[wicked gorge]

I want to see agents throw hands with nemesis

[supple river]

not some Resident Evil type shit

[ashen jungle]

Isn't that an anime?

[supple river]

... yes

[wicked gorge]

I did those a lot when I was in high school

[supple river]

two of the main characters in my story are basically M4A1 and ST AR-15 from Girls' Frontline

[ashen jungle]

I googled it and the images all look like they're exclusively shown on TV after 9pm.

[supple river]

but rather they're Agent Ford and Agent Radcliffe

[sick lantern]

harrison ford and daniel radcliffe together in their breakout anime role

[supple river]

I was thinking of formatting the story like cutscenes from GFL

since I'm hiring an artist to make the character art

[ashen jungle]

drunk pilot and man with guns nailed to his hands.
I'd watch it.

[wicked gorge]

Did we get the re4 Leon as a set too? Ik we got rookie Leon

[supple river]

nah, it's

Agent Emma Ford

Agent Stephanie Radcliffe

and then we have Fitz

[sick lantern]

oh yea also on the other side, there were like two Division outfits in RE:sistance (a game no one played)

[supple river]

who is a Maine Army National Guardsman in the JTF

[wicked gorge]

The skins in re verse actually looked cool too

[supple river]

I'm thinking Fitz will be a 12B

(a 12B in the Army/Army National Guard is the MOS code for Combat Engineer)

maybe his unit are Combat Engineers in general, too

[ashen jungle]

nope, RCPD leon, chris, rebecca, Jill, umbrella security.

[supple river]

but I'm struggling with figuring out Ford and Radcliffe's occupational backgrounds

I'm thinking maybe Ford was a Firefighter

[wicked gorge]

I can’t go around being the emotionally unstable town drunk now

[ashen jungle]

You can however, get a Jill Sandwich backpack trophy.

[supple river]

I currently have no clue about Radcliffe's background. I thought maybe, at one point, she could be a police officer before being activated

[ashen jungle]

the devs know what we want.

[wicked gorge]

Yeah I got everything from the event but I don’t remember if they gave Leon his bomber jacket or not

You could always make it a homeless person who was recruited by the division

[supple river]

and then I'm trying to figure out how Castle Settlement's rebuilding process will go in this story, too

[ashen jungle]

I believe there was something like it in the game, but I might be thinking of the div1 shield jacket.

[supple river]

I know I want a scene where Ford is on a rooftop singing to herself while it rains

and a scene where Fitz gives Ford a flower

[ashen jungle]

note this was before the re4remake, so it would look like the old one if it's there.

[supple river]

I'm just going on and on with no point, aren't I

[wicked gorge]

I could care less I love both the re4 and remake jackets

[ashen jungle]

it is starting to sound a bit like fan-fiction

[supple river]

... it is

[ashen jungle]

In that case, another server thanks.

[supple river]

?

what's that mean?

to take it to another server?

[ashen jungle]

we actually have a rule against posting it here. We used to be more lenient but someone decided to ruin that for people and posted multiple full chapters of a story, repeatedly.

[supple river]

... fuck.

[wicked gorge]

Harrison ford pulls out his whip and looks to the agent across from him “ time to find the raiders of the lost ark “ roll credits

[ashen jungle]

Somehow I don't think that crazy man is up for any more roles.

okay back to the div2 stuff now.

[supple river]

... aight. I'll head out.

[wicked gorge]

He’s old, im surprised they even got him for another Indiana jones movie

Agreed

[ashen jungle]

💸 .

[ashen jungle]

I think the community server is better for stuff like that anyway.

[supple river]

there's a community server?

[ashen jungle]

Aye, I'll send you a link.

[sick lantern]

finally got my hands on Hunted

[ornate gull]

Which Hunter you all prefer?

Div1 or Div2?

Facing Hunter as ambush boss after Legendary Raid are anxiety

In Div1

[glad spruce]

Div 2 Hunters have a lot of drip, so Div 2 Hunters

[waxen sonnet]

Hawkster votes via the ol' reliable
"This guy dresses cooler"

[glad spruce]

One adage that should always be kept in looter shooter games.

"Thou shall always wear cool drip"

[waxen sonnet]

Who doesn't love stealing the face of the man we've just shot dead and putting it up on the wall 🙋‍♂️

[tall prism]

Ever wonder if the division would hire Ghosts from Ghost recon??

[wicked gorge]

If they were in the same universe, then doubt they would

[pallid harness]

we have "Ghost" Hunter

[tall prism]

Lol

[surreal hearth]

Hunter are wolves cuss of their insignia but has ghost elements within them which makes them former ghost units or special forces of homeland

[wicked gorge]

Can we all agree that any southern division agents are defending the Walmarts and Waffle Houses like the white house

[sick lantern]

i’ve begun reading hunted
achronological chapter order why ): so annoying

[sick lantern]

one wonders why an effing crossbow needs a network connection

[gaunt ice]

fyi they recently made a pistol that reads your fingerprint and you can only use it if you're registered to the database

so thats a side consequences of being too high tech

[glad spruce]

And the last thing we need is our spec weapons being into our enemy's hands.

[gaunt ice]

except it did

the Rogues
fuckin Johnson uses a tac 50 which is a spec weapon

safe to say it solved nothing

its either useless or it can be brute forced

[glad spruce]

Probably because I died many times in that mission, but Johnson just pisses me off

[cyan haven]

I like to think that all waffle houses in the US are somehow still operating at full capacity

[gaunt ice]

he takes like 2 shots to bring you to osp and he shoots it really really fast

yea soloing it is just gonna take lots of time

[cyan haven]

Maybe a couple are operating at a limited capacity but none of them have closed their doors

[sick lantern]

Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots

[wicked gorge]

Nothing to can halt the spread of democracy, in their case, nothing can halt the spread of waffles and sweet tea

[gaunt ice]

ID tagged soldiers using ID tagged guns

Now we just need some massive robots

And a clone guy in a skintight bodysuit to stop them

[marsh sundial]

You had to pick one agent, named or otherwise to get a single player game exploring a moment in lore. Who would you pick?

Weird pick, d1 mc and what happened before warlords. Even if it ends with them dying to them

Easily marketable pick, Keener's fall during first wave

[wicked gorge]

Keener or Johnson recruitment

[sick lantern]

if we’re talking “a moment” then doug sutton probably

for something longer i would say seeing what Keener was doing from General Assembly, WSP, up to WoNY

seeing things from his perspective and how he learned all the conspiracy bs

could tie it in to Heartland also iirc

especially now that he was supposedly working with Lau

[sick lantern]

ok well Hunted was pretty good

definitely better than Compromised
ending was a littttle underwhelming (is there gonna be a fourth book…? another trilogy?) and it feels like the Roughnecks were a vestigial remnant of an earlier plot draft but otherwise

also i have already shown @gaunt ice - the ending is f_cking great

just like in Compromised, it ends with Parrot demonstrating a big fat W for the SHD

🫡

oh come on p_ssying trips the auto mod?

[ashen jungle]

Of course it does.

[sick lantern]

not really an "of course" moment as "pussies" is allowed

[ashen jungle]

I'm sure it's an oversight, not every single thing that should be blocked is.

[glad spruce]

I know NGN's video probably goes over about it, but I feel like there's more to Sokolova's motivations in helping the Cleaners attack Meret Estate.

Wouldn't surprise me if her personal reasoning is mainly "MacKenzie stood up to me when she should know her place"

[languid sentinel]

does anyone have a good explanation of the story after WONY with the manhunts?

trying to catch up, and the legacy manhunt missions only help a little

[wicked gorge]

Keeners rogues wanted to use eclipse in dc, we stopped him, Lau went undercover to figure out the black tusk motives, got Schaffer on our side and we put him in a coma, Killed Lau, and found her contingency plan, everyone in the world new of McManus accept us and the true sons were fighting the black tusk, true sons then joined the black tusk and hunters, we were deceived into going to Coney Island and bt have a way to shut down the network remotely, bt kidnapped settlers and we went in and got them back, then Johnson showed up and tried to steal the mobile server and give to the bt for their tech

Sorry if it isn’t helpful im tired as hell

If you want the full story want a NGN video ,ik he has one that covers seasons 1-4

[waxen sonnet]

Pretty sure it was that simple mate.

[glad spruce]

Yeah, it is. God help us, we're fighting against a Russian-American oligarch with daddy issues and a huge ego. 😛

[sick lantern]

Joe Chavez is another one
Division agent undercover in a biker gang? tell me more lmao

[waxen sonnet]

And her little equally ego based annoyance that just so happens to be the Head of the Department of Home Sec with his own little bunch of Hunters

[glad spruce]

Ngl, I do like Calvin's voice acting

[tulip shale]

I do too
Love the fact he is constantly annoyed or furious whatever the circumstances 😄

[tulip shale]

I wonder if Johnson knew about Anna's presence on the mobile shd server

[wicked gorge]

Since Nat hinted that Johnson was a favorite of his and with the hunter insurance we hear, he most likely told him about the aid

Ais

[kindred cliff]

Anyone seen or heard any new news on The Divison Heartland?

I mean it's still a go? etc.

[ashen jungle]

Any news when it exists, will be posted down in #1001871292330414141
as of right now, nothing. But yes it still exists.

[ornate gull]

I been wondering

If Survival is canon

[fresh vale]

i been wondering

if i’m canon in the division lore

[wicked gorge]

We’re all cannon

[ornate gull]

How do ISAC not marked Agent as Rogue if one kill another

[fresh vale]

what

[ornate gull]

When they're in Light Zone Snowstorm

[wicked gorge]

Maybe the blizzard causes interference and shuts Isac down for only local interactions

Idk I think survivals cannon, but not killing agents

[ashen jungle]

a Survival Cannon does sound a bit like an oxymoron.

for the record it's "canon" when talking about true in lore, cannon when you mean the big gun on pirate ships.

as for if Survival is canon in the lore, like Countdown/Summit I reckon that 1 run of it was done, and then each subsequent one is not.

[wicked gorge]

Its a headache to think about

[sick lantern]

Hunted confirms that Hunters were in Div 1 NYC (not a spoiler it’s literally one line talking about rumours) so I would say it is

[tall prism]

So why did Lau do her thing? I never played that part

[wicked gorge]

Was there a story wrap up for the underground, ik we got one side mission before the underground and the concept behind it, but was their a story ending behind it

[wicked gorge]

The cannon now is Keener and Lau had a fragile alliance and we’re trying to deal with the hunters, and since keener knew of McManus and the hunters, probably tipped Lau off about the black tusk involvement with the hunters and she took the opportunity to embed herself into the bt and dig up the hunters and weaknesses

Alliance is a strong stretch, but they discussed the hunters

[tall prism]

So why did we have to end her?

[wicked gorge]

To ensure her secrecy? I think since the devs planned to kill off any story content for div2 after season 4, they were just gonna make her a rogue and probably discuss it in heartland or div3

[tall prism]

Ohh

[wicked gorge]

The lore is either straightforward or complicated

[sick lantern]

no

rogue agent lady left some phone calls and dipped from the franchise

[waxen sonnet]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend, especially when that friend is a bigger nation wide threat

[wicked gorge]

Figures most of the dlcs were meh honestly, survival was the best in my opinion

[glad spruce]

Only 2 weeks left till the final sub target and get the Manhunt mission

[red urchin]

Who are these people that use trash can lid as a shield

What faction do they belong

[pallid harness]

Not the right channel to ask for

[wicked gorge]

Us after we found out how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie pop

[sleek plover]

I thougut Kajika was a ghost

[ashen jungle]

Well he certainly is now.

[glad spruce]

They're referred to as Ambushers

[waxen sonnet]

🥁

[gaunt ice]

Ghosts are way above division paycheck tbh

[glad spruce]

Besides, does it really matter whether some former Ghosts are in the Division? A lot of Division agents come from different walks of life

Got the latest Descent comm (Remind to never play the game mode when its on Gluttony rotation). It's title is ||Uncomfortable||

||Calvin McManus speaks discomfort about having Warhounds in the SHD's arsenal, feeling there's no good reason an unactivated Division agent who's a gym teacher would have any of them warhunds in their garage. However, he approves of giving Division agents classified clearance taking over Sokolova's Warhounds should the need arise.||

The Youtuber (Rogue Agent) who collects Descent comms haven't uploaded it yet (I presume he's yet to get it), but I'll post it when its uplaoded as soon as possible.

[stray crystal]

The Hunters - assumingly - runs a classified version of ISAC (think it was NGN that talked about it, referencing the Jack Bonney mission).

|| If you break down the words in the Descent comm you mention - and think about how Hunters can easily hack our tech - maybe the key, mentioned by Kelso, isn't unlocking ANNA/DIAMOND on our watch, but unlocking the classified version of ISAC that gives us control over all 3 ||

[glad spruce]

||I do think that's the case, cuz I heavily doubt they're gonna let us abandon ISAC for ANNA in a seasonal content that will expire in the next couple of months||

[waxen sonnet]

Gentlemen, the time has come

Anyone get the impression these logs are timed to perfectly tease what might be keener's anti-hunter tech toys?

[stray crystal]

Impression? That's the whole reason I said it was "bugged" with project resolve. You don't think that was perfectly timed?

[wicked gorge]

Apart of me really wants our agent and Kelso to open the box and it’s just a note saying the key is you

[waxen sonnet]

Honestly, I dont know, but what's weird is its all about just how much the SHD Tech is hidden within BTSU's equipment at the very same time Keener's left us a countermeasure to the Hunters advanced tech

Seems a bit coincidency to me

[wicked gorge]

We already have a counter technically with Wally

[ashen jungle]

"The SHD server was inside you all along".

[waxen sonnet]

Maira too

[waxen sonnet]

-Box Opens-

My face when its just another watch

[stray crystal]

I've been saying from the 1st day of Resolve, after the first bit of lore from manhunt, that it 100% wasn't bugged, but an intentional delay to match up Descent comms with Manhunt lore release.
Actually, going out that line of thought again, how many weeks was Project Resolve delayed? How many weeks into Resolve did we wait for a Descent comms fix?
I bet your ass those line up 🤓

[waxen sonnet]

You know that meme of the guy frantically pointing at the board with all the conspiracy stuff and string pinned between them, I feel like this is how most days between Me, You, Phoenix, Rivens, Hawkster and Armor keeper ends up in this channel until we somehow wing a semi-correct guess for future events

[ashen jungle]

That's a good show, IASIP for those wondering.

It's basically an american version of Young Ones.

[wicked gorge]

How Maira too?

[waxen sonnet]

Maira Khani is deemed even by the SHD As one of the most foremost experts on SHD tech, and as Thomas Parott's 3rd book shows, is capable of using it against BTSU as much as the SHD

[wicked gorge]

Ohhhhhhhhh, I thought you were talking about mannys love interest

[ashen jungle]

That'd be "Mari Singh".

[wicked gorge]

Do you think it’s essential to the lore that every time manny sees us, doesn’t question our constant outfit change

Thank you I couldn’t remember her name

[waxen sonnet]

He's too busy trying to get us to sit down for 5 minutes for Fish taco's.

[wicked gorge]

If division agents went to a boot camp what would their hazing ritual be? My guess is they launch a dud seeker mine at the recruits and not tell them

[ashen jungle]

Us walking up to him wearing the most tragic of fashion combos is the price he pays for our service as an Agent.

"Hawaiian shirt and crocs today....just let it go Manny"

[waxen sonnet]

"Today's outfit is peek "I stole this from a dead man and a darkzone crate Manny" Deal with it"

[wicked gorge]

If I was manny, I think I would flip shit if I saw a agent wearing crocs with socks walk up to me

Immediate rogue flag

[ashen jungle]

"they go to sports mode during Invaded Missions"

[waxen sonnet]

Just waddle up to Manny in a full CBRN Combat still with DC62 From the dark zone "LOOK MANNY, NEW GUN!"

[wicked gorge]

Turns around to see a bunch of dead JTF guards with a trail of yellow powder

[next hemlock]

Sus

[wicked gorge]

Speaking of that im kinda disappointed dc62 was never ex mentioned again, they made a big deal about it and after the story was never mentioned again

[ashen jungle]

Assuming it doesn't come back in some way, it was likely all neutralised once the True Sons missile stuff was dealt with.
They can clean areas of it, since Castle is no longer a cemetery.

[wicked gorge]

You would think since the true sons made a big deal about it, when they reformed they would use it again

[waxen sonnet]

The True sons at the moment under the BTSU know its not a "court of public opinion" win to keep using literal chemical weapons when they're going for the whole "division bad" routine atm

[ashen jungle]

Technically speaking it's not an overly effective weapon, since it only becomes toxic in cold weather.
but in all likeliness the stocks were just deliberately ruined in some way.

[wicked gorge]

Didn’t the BTSU invaded Jefferson Plaza to collect unopened barrels and develop them into chemical weapons tho…..

[ashen jungle]

I like to think someone just poured a bunch of dye into the barrels and now the Hyena's are using it as green paint.

[wicked gorge]

Turns out DC62 is actually yellow dyed Axe body spray

[ashen jungle]

it would explain where the 50 million litres of neon green came from.

[wicked gorge]

What other loose ends did the division explain and not follow through again?

[ashen jungle]

DARPA and why we didn't loot all of the giant turrets.

just saying, there would've been no attack during Stovepipe's Manhunt with giant SHD turrets circling the compound.

[waxen sonnet]

Talking of DARPA I wonder what that green gas type stuff in the science bay's are given it killed the scientists and lab workers in full CBRN Suits

[cyan haven]

Could be an Agent Green leak, given that it was more deadly than agent orange

Don’t know why DARPA would have their hands on it, maybe Cal thought Conley’s fire turrets weren’t war crimey enough

[wicked gorge]

Could be decontamination protocol if something got in

[cyan haven]

DARPA do actually work with chlorine gas currently (to figure out quicker ways to neutralise it) and depending on density, it can look like more of a greenish yellow

[wicked gorge]

What is with the Tom Clancy universe always having chemical weapons

[cyan haven]

Can’t have acts of terror without chemical warfare

[wicked gorge]

Just saying an April fools game set in bikini bottom with SpongeBob and Patrick as division agents sounds like a million dollar idea

[waxen sonnet]

In the nicest way possible, It scares me you so casually know that 😂

[cyan haven]

I don’t casually know that, I googled it

[wicked gorge]

Im sorry Jack you know too much

Saints I’ll meet up with you with and the extraction team

[waxen sonnet]

And here's me thinking that'd be some sortta security risk thing, gotta love google!

[waxen sonnet]

Try it Mr Hunter I Have 30 of your faces on my wall

[cyan haven]

I got it from the DARPA website, where they just casually say “yeah, we work with chlorine gas, defence contractors help us”

[wicked gorge]

It’s scary how much information google has

[ashen jungle]

Okay time to move on from the IRL stuff.

[wicked gorge]

Jokes on you I have your one weakness “controller has disconnected”

[waxen sonnet]

Nah we're talking about the weird gas in the DARPA Mission Rivens, the one where you go down the corridor and its all in the science places with all the dead people they dont explain

[wicked gorge]

It still pisses me off they literally brought April Kellher back for one echo and then proceeded to write her out of the story

[waxen sonnet]

Like the audio's all about developing the BSAV But then seemingly they're all gassed to death?

[wicked gorge]

Probably a contamination event happen and they didn’t have a lvl 4 filter and medkits to outlast it

[cyan haven]

Hear me out, we’ve never seen April Kelleher and Kelso in a room together, and Kelso got the information about the antivirals from April, both of their names are A K, coincidence? Absolutely, there’s no way the devs would actually pull that

Plus April was still in NYC when Kelso was confirmed to be in DC, I’m not a crazy conspiracy theorist

[wicked gorge]

I swear to the Manny’s toilet bowl wine, if we open that box and it’s a picture of April and says find her, im gonna trigger a seeker mine failsafe

[cyan haven]

I’d do what Wyvern never got to do in Tidal Basin if that happens

[wicked gorge]

I love the fact the black tusk just abandoned tidal basin after the division cleared it, yet THEY GO BACK TO WHITE OAK 4 F*CKING TIMES

If the Black Tusk Bunker is in White Oak, im gonna burn it to the ground

[cyan haven]

I mean we’ve never been in the White Oak bunker, they always miraculously close it seconds before we get there

[wicked gorge]

That’s what scares me

[ashen jungle]

McManus's anime collection stored there must never see the light of day.

and yes, there are funko-pops.

[waxen sonnet]

Rivens you are cursed at times mate.

[cyan haven]

No, no that thing has to be in Brooklyn or something, I don’t know where their business hq is but the bunker has to be within reasonable driving distance, so if hq is in Manhattan, it’s under some factory in Brooklyn

[ashen jungle]

I like to think I keep it professional the bulk of the time.

[wicked gorge]

THEYRE ACTION FIGURES

[waxen sonnet]

They're his MLP Collection

[wicked gorge]

If thats the case I will burn that bunker to the ground

[cyan haven]

He’s the guy with the jar

[wicked gorge]

Also shouldn’t incendiary grenades be with the flamethrower specialization instead of the cluster grenades

[wicked gorge]

I would not even be surprised

[ashen jungle]

Survivalist is more about status effects, so fire nades makes sense as an extra way to spread them.
Why Firewall has cluster and not like, gas grenades or something is beyond me though.

[wicked gorge]

So y’all think we’re getting new spec weapons or skills for the dlc

[cyan haven]

I’m hoping but I’m not expecting it

[wicked gorge]

I want a flare gun so we can call in mortar fire from the castle

[cyan haven]

We’ll probably get at least a new skill variant though, doubtful of entirely new skills

[ashen jungle]

We are actually getting the skills/spec trees looked at at some point, but my guess is that the actual changes won't be until at least close to the time of the DLC's release.

[cyan haven]

Huge cope but maybe this season we’ll get keener’s hack he used against the warhounds and marauder as a pulse variant

[ashen jungle]

No new skills for now, they've confirmed this.

[cyan haven]

Imagine running stovepipe Coney Island again with that

[wicked gorge]

That would make life so much easier

[sudden mortar]

we already got an Ortiz gear set exuro, and an Ortiz rifle Vindicator that horrible exotic rifle that you get from descent shop, that is well, horrible because the devs don't know how to create fun or useful exotics anymore I think it would be cool if we had an Ortiz specialization.

[wicked gorge]

Huh there seems to be a sentence that’s unreadable, I wonder what it says

[ornate gull]

I been wondering

Despite rioter and riker group are same faction of their own, they don't attack each other if they encounter another group of same faction

Rioter and Riker not really bright as Organized Group like LMB,Cleaner,Black Tusk,....

Rioter neither have Central Faction Leader too

[glad spruce]

I do enjoy discussing the lore and the narrative in here, so the shoe fits lol

[waxen sonnet]

The Exuro set is quite funny when it's a spinny flammeyboy when the Ortiz lot hated Conley's flame turret pitch

[sudden mortar]

And instead of getting her "fire" turret approved, she's the one that got "fired"

[waxen sonnet]

[sick lantern]

actually I think I read somewhere once that Rikers gangs actually do have scuffles sometimes. not sure what the source was but it's believable

especially after Barret died, the faction would probably just devolve into semi-aligned gangsters and warlords etc

[remote tree]

so after the leaders of the Rikers and Cleaners died in div1, did Aaron Keener and his rogues get assigned to leadership roles to take over the whole faction again or was it charters in those specific areas?

Kajika, Dragov and Conley made good leaders for their respective factions, but Theo was lackluster imo

[sick lantern]

supposedly Conley was with the Cleaners the whole time but let's be honest that's bollocks

[late void]

Theo and Kajika weren't part of those factions, Keener just got Dragov/Conley to provide them support

[remote tree]

that's what I figured, Kaijka was always a lone wolf type and used the cleaners for his gain. He and Keener shared their grievences with SHD/JTF

[remote tree]

Vivian was def SHD before all this, and went Rogue with keener and probably got assigned to the cleaners with the ortiz flame lore

[sick lantern]

i'm pretty sure the wony collectibles say she was there during div 1

when joe ferro was alive

[ashen jungle]

Correct, the Cleaners pulled her from the DZ after it was locked down and helped her recover, that's why she joined them.

[remote tree]

makes sense

i haven't played much div1, and i rlly should try to finish the game

but its a big difference between div2, im gettin punished for the gun recoil and brutal ai looool

[sick lantern]

i dunno
makes me wonder why she didn't like help him when their HQ was under attack or anything

[ashen jungle]

You should both listen to her comms from WONY, which is where most info about her comes from.
it explains quite a lot about her.

[glad spruce]

Well, what do you know, our guy who posts Descent comms on YouTube just recently posted the latest comm.

||https://youtu.be/7NA4vlOWnX8?si=kIOr3ccP0LLDj4kB||

[waxen sonnet]

Classified Clearance is what the Hunters have 👀

So like we were saying last night, maybe it does tie in to Keeners box

[glad spruce]

Yep. And I somewhat do agree with Rudolph's notion that the Descent comms are being dripfed this season due to the fact that the comms we're currently getting have to do with the Manhunt story/lore

[waxen sonnet]

Commander you'll wanna say you're right ^^

[stray crystal]

What was peculiar to me was how in TU20.0 - when the bug was first reported and put on the Trello - was how it was slated for a TU20.2 fix and put to "fix ready" for the longest time. Why not push the fix in TU20.1? I guessed lore reasons from the get go. puts silver paper hat down

[waxen sonnet]

I must admit it starts to look a real coincidence too good ot be true type

[glad spruce]

Me, Jack, and Commander sharing one lore brain cell

[glad spruce]

That reminds me, 20.2 has been out, right?

[waxen sonnet]

The Big brains of the lore section 🧠

[stray crystal]

Yeah, we're in TU20.3 now

[remote tree]

assumed a different channel. Disregard, prev messg

[wicked gorge]

||SO YOUR TELLING ME WE CAN HACK THE FU*KING WARHOUNDS THE WHOLE TIME, BUT CANT CAUSE WE HAVE LEVEL 1 CLEARANCE||

[glad spruce]

Two || on each side, buddy

[wicked gorge]

Thank you

[glad spruce]

||Only reason we can't hack the warhounds is because we don't have classified clearance with ISAC. Now, who does have the clearance? The Hunters||

[ornate gull]

The mecha hound in div2

It bigger or smaller than this?
https://iopwiki.com/wiki/Dinergate#/media/File%3AGFL2_Dinergate_Preview.jpg

[wicked gorge]

||you would think the amount of hunters We’ve killed, we would have taken one of their watches||

[glad spruce]

I'd say they're relatively in a similar size

[wicked gorge]

Same, but the dinegate ones are a bit more bulky

[ornate gull]

I see

In term of attack

Imaging if Warhound lose it ability to use it long range attack

5 dinergate per echelon

[wicked gorge]

Can you explain it in more division terms

[ornate gull]

Warhound in div lose it long range attack

Last resort by forming a pack and start ramming at enemy

Or stampede in this case

Assuming if they can move fast

[wicked gorge]

If it’s long range then warhounds would be better, the rifle war hounds are equipped with a 50.cal rifle and can sometimes burst fire, if the grenader warhounds used emp rounds instead of shock rounds then no they would not get wiped

[sudden mortar]

And I always thought that Keener could hack BT warhounds because Theo was the "hacker that can hack anything" stereotype character.

[wicked gorge]

The headache this game gives me

[glad spruce]

There's only so much you can hack in The Division

[wicked gorge]

It feels the only thing we can hack are comns and some computers that are gate openers

[obtuse arrow]

What if it just turns out to be that DZ method of 2 people opening the box at the same time to try and get an exotic component each

[wicked gorge]

Congratulations you solved my puzzle, here’s a granola bar for your troubles

[sudden mortar]

Here's a exotic component for you, if this is canon

[wicked gorge]

Keener better pray we don’t find a way to resurrect the dead

[sudden mortar]

Well, we could say he did it when we "killed" Hornet in the div1

[wicked gorge]

Does anyone know what happened to Mastermind HD I came across one of his old div lore vids and now he’s just kinda vanished from YouTube

[glad spruce]

Probably got bored.

[sleek plover]

I guess it is safe to assume that it was Aaron Keener who came up with DZ "Thieves Den" right?

[wicked gorge]

Probably not, since div 2 takes place 7 months after 1

[glad spruce]

One thing I noticed when looking at Legacy Manhunts section, it gives out dates such as September 30th for Season 9 and so on.

I take it those dates are where those seasonal storylines took place

[mint citrus]

Yep

[fast wharf]

I still Wonder what year does the division passes

I've never seen a clear tip about that

[glad spruce]

It's not explicitly stated since the devs are deliberately keeping it vague

Imagine if the Division 1/2 takes place throughout 2016-2017

[ashen jungle]

You're right, there is no canon year anymore. At first it was implied to take place a few years after the release of div1, but time has since moved on so now it's pretty much just "not yet".

[wicked gorge]

The nature aspect of the division 2 is confusing, how the hell can nature take over as much as it did

[waxen sonnet]

Look at Pripyat for a real world example.

As soon as humans aren't there or don't actively handle fighting against nature it thrives, especially the Ivy vines I think grows rapidly

[sudden mortar]

Would be funny if the developers said back in 2016 that the game takes place in 2020, and the game gets criticized when COVID hits.

[glad spruce]

Let's be honest, would anyone have resources to fight off against nature after a post collapse from a pandemic?

Also what Jack said.

[sudden mortar]

To be honest, the cleaners would have, just burn everything.

[glad spruce]

Yeah, but the Cleaners are fucking lunatics, so they're likely to blow themselves up

[ornate gull]

Considering all sanitation worker are all assimilated to Cleaner, no one cleaning the steet as well keep plant in check

And div1 are during winter so it barely see any grass or vine cover the road/building

[sharp turtle]

Just look at the 2020 lockdown, fauna already took back its rights

And Venezia water was apparently WAY clearer than before it

[ashen jungle]

@glad spruce You wouldn't be able to advertise it here, just letting you know.
The community server may have different rules though.

[glad spruce]

Gotcha

[ashen jungle]

By all means feel free to talk about the lore here. We're all lore junkies in this channel.

[glad spruce]

I sure will 🤠

[hard solstice]

will we see smth today?

[ashen jungle]

Why today?

[sharp turtle]

hiya

[stray crystal]

April 20th is Division day is my only guess.

[ashen jungle]

I always forget that it's not on the release date for div1.
Still not sure why.

[glad spruce]

I have doubts we might see something Division related today. Most likely that's gonna be in Ubisoft Forward in June.

Which reminds me, we have 10 days left till the final Manhunt target

[sick lantern]

...it is?

[ashen jungle]

The fact that I had to google it to confirm whether it being on April 20th was a joke or not says to me far more than it should about it.
Rudo is right btw.

[waxen sonnet]

Its a weekend, I think if it was a big announcement or event day it'd be in the working week so they dont have to come in special is my train of thought on the matter

[glad spruce]

Yeah

[novel pike]

Didn't they day they hsd somsthing in stead of divi day?

Probabky a whoooole lotta nothing

[ashen jungle]

Mind retyping that?

[sudden mortar]

I think the devs are too busy with other projects or they simply don't care anymore about this "division day"

[ashen jungle]

It being a month late is a bit weird, it must be said.

but with 4 games in active development, plus a dlc for div2, plus other div2 changes.

[novel pike]

probably the latter XD

[novel pike]

hold up another dlc ?

[glad spruce]

Yes, there's an upcoming story DLC coming next year. Set in Brooklyn, New York

[ashen jungle]

Well we think it's set in Brooklyn, all we know so far is that the first teaser image is of the Brooklyn Bridge.

[novel pike]

interesting

and to be fair i always thought expanding new york in divi 2 would be neat

the divi 1 area is somewhat bigger right ?

i haven't played 1 in years Xd

completely diferent subject, i'm tryingf to collect the Ellis Memoirs. are those attainable by running the camp white oak manhunt? ( also gathering the faye lay manhunt comms)

[glad spruce]

I think so.

[fast wharf]

Keener is a Genius for managing to modify isac without getting it completely locked for unauthorized access

[ashen jungle]

Wasn't that done by others and Keener just got them to do it?

[ancient path]

rip Theo parnell

[fast wharf]

Exactly, he manipulated them well

[fast wharf]

Ngl would be cool If he decided to go back and join us

Due to keener betraying him

[ashen jungle]

Unless we do a Weekend at Bernies with his body, I think that ship sailed.

[forest wadi]

Didint they use "ANNA"? Wasnt that used by rogues and hunters

[ashen jungle]

Yeah they used ANNA, which I'm sure we'll get a full explanation of at some point.

[waxen sonnet]

A What?

[sick lantern]

Weekend at Bernie's is a 1989 American dark comedy film directed by Ted Kotcheff, written by Robert Klane, and starring Andrew McCarthy, Jonathan Silverman, Catherine Mary Stewart, and Terry Kiser. It tells the story of two young insurance corporation employees who discover that their boss Bernie is dead after arriving at his house in The Hamptons. While attempting to convince people that Bernie is still alive until they can leave to prevent them from being falsely suspected for causing his death,

[waxen sonnet]

Oh right, now that makes a little more sense, thanks Webkinz.

[glad spruce]

8 days left till the final Manhunt target

[waxen sonnet]

Somewhere @stray crystal Is still rocking back and forth waiting for his prediction to be right about the ending

[glad spruce]

Okay, now I'm interested what's his prediction is about

[waxen sonnet]

This is it, The descent comms talking about how the SHD Actually has backdoors into BTSU Tech like warhounds etc if they're ranked CLASSIFIED status (hunters etc have that) and that something like the descent comms is going to be key to whats in keeners box of tricks

[glad spruce]

Oh yeah, we talked abouyt that xD

[wicked gorge]

Technically Keener just pulled a regular American business where someone else made it and he took credit for it

[waxen sonnet]

Kinda helps to claim it as yours by getting the guys and gals who actually made it killed off in the process

[ashen jungle]

There's some parallels to IRL that could be made here but let's not.

[wicked gorge]

I’ve been watching a lot of the division 1 trailers and stuff and forgot they kinda did a movie thing with Amazon I think

A lot of the old marketing was honestly great

[waxen sonnet]

"Snow, Snow Snow" is still an incredible eary song to me thanks to that trailer.

[wicked gorge]

I still think the best trailer from the 1st game is the survival trailer

[waxen sonnet]

I love the artwork from the survival drafts, the hunter about to execute a agent as another agent is about to shoot the hunter in the back

[glad spruce]

Can't forget the first time facing off a Hunter in Survival

[wicked gorge]

First time is always terrifying

I like the build up to the hunter fight

[waxen sonnet]

I never played the first game, but the hunters came across far more brutal to fight against

[wicked gorge]

That first time being alone in the snow, your hud constantly glitching, and when you fire that flare and everything starts to static out is just pure terror

[waxen sonnet]

They seem A) Way more agressive and B) Way smarter in there moves in survival compared to TD2

[wicked gorge]

They wanted to express the hunters through their brutality, i wish they gave the hunters some of their moves in div2, but I think they’re supposed to be more tactical and observant

[sick lantern]

Agent Origins, made by Corridor Digital you can watch it in Youtube

[wicked gorge]

I’ve watched it too many times in my division fan phase but I forgot if it was something like ghost recon or far cry 5 where they did small movies with Amazon

[remote tree]

Would’ve been nice to use div1’s hunter finisher whenever you failed to fight them for their masks

[wicked gorge]

Can you imagine Keener in hell trying to strike a deal with the devil trying to get revived

[urban musk]

Actually, yes. since you said it.

[floral gull]

The one actor that keeps popping up in my mind if there was ever a live action Calvin McManus would be Clancy Brown

[marsh sundial]

That gave me a funny idea, a totally noncanon manhunt set around zombie Keener and a army of the undead

[glad spruce]

Ngl, Calvin gives me the vibe of late 40s to early 50s, considering his occupation.

[ashen jungle]

I look forward to McManus being killed off 1 episode in.

[glad spruce]

Another week, another Descent comm. This one is called ||Evolution||

||Basically, the experiments for bipedal Warhounds have failed due to legacy programming problems and Natalya Sokolova is not pleased with the outcome. To rectify the error, Claire and Alex of the Ortiz Robotics are ordered by Nat to redesign the Warhounds which would take a year.||

||The Ortiz couple managed to also fix the guidance system for the Black Tusk hovercrafts. However, because their other clients decided to not pursue the Warhounds, so they can't offer a mass production discount, unless Nat increases her order from 500 to 1000. I think we can take a guess how this went.||

||Nothing huge, lore or narrative wise. But it does give more detail to the initial prototypes and experiments with Warhounds.||

Although I'm currently 18 out of 52, this audio log would make it 43rd out of 52 audio logs from Descent comms.

[waxen sonnet]

||I do have to wonder if Nat's got the blueprint to the Warhounds she might spot that Backdoor they discussed with mcmanus.||

[glad spruce]

||Probably, or she arrogantly thought it wasn't enough of a problem to fix and ignored it||

[glad spruce]

Okay, I may be crazy, but I'm pretty sure the gal standing behind the wall that houses NYC Hunter masks is Mackenzie Meret.

[waxen sonnet]

No im pretty sure that is her. Im pretty sure its in a audio log somewhere that she's staying there while Kelsos MIA.

[late void]

It is, yeah: if you have subtitles on it's clearly stated.

[tulip shale]

Mine says 44/52

[glad spruce]

Glad to know I'm not crazy lol

[strange rock]

47 (including the one released today)

[glad spruce]

Well, I stand corrected considering I still have a lot of Descent comms to catch up on xD

But seriously, I'm just a bit lost how many total audio logs the players have uncovered lmao

[strange rock]

Yes and unfortunately still no catch up system

[glad spruce]

And that's assuming if they're gonna add more Descent comms in the next couple of seasons

[strange rock]

Unless the talent rotation is dropped or significantly revamped I hope not

I only play when there's a good rotation which sucks

[stray crystal]

||The backdoor they have talked about is on the SHD Watches themselves, allowing anyone - who is technical enough (such as Theo) - to activate/swap between ISAC, ANNA and DIAMOND on the watches.
This was ordered by McManus, as he tried to avoid having the rainbow watch, and - unless my memory fails me - he doesn't know about the backdoor this created, that was only discussed between the Ortiz'.
I specifically say SHD Watches, as it isn't clear if the BT DIAMOND watches(brick/armpatch?) has the same backdoor - since McManus doesn't use those.
What we know about the Hunters in particular - from the Jack Bonnet manhunt mission - is that he is using an SHD Watch with a Classified version of ISAC.
The rest is speculation.
We speculate that this Classified version is how the Hunters shut down our SHD Tech.
Likewise we speculate that we may gain access to this, so that we may do the same.
How this will play out we are yet to see. But we are definitely close to a reveal.||

[waxen sonnet]

|| The Warhounds can be accessed by CLASSIFIED status SHD Agents is what I was regarding mostly when I wrote that ||

[stray crystal]

||Yeah, but the backdoor itself is on SHD Watches as far as we know - which Nat shouldn't have access to.
And are we certain it's the CLASSIFIED status that allows you to control warhounds? Or does CLASSIFIED enable you to swap to DIAMOND with ease and then control them? There's so much we are yet to find out ^-^||

[waxen sonnet]

|| I cant remember the specific Descent comms but there's one with Mcmanus I recently watched that seemed to confirm ONLY classified rankings could do it, not a standard SHD Agent's ISAC System ||

[stray crystal]

||My point being, we don't know what CLASSIFIED actually enables you to do and the two theories is either it allows you to hotswap AI between the 3, while still being considered an SHD Agent at all times - or the CLASSIFIED status has built-in hacks to control it.||

[wicked gorge]

You would think since the BT have rogues in their army, you’d think we would see a rogue variant in missions

[tall prism]

I don't think they trust them after "eyepatch"

[wicked gorge]

You mean. Cyclops

[sudden mortar]

I think they didn't trust them even before that, in the "hidden alliance" comms, they said that the only reason they were working with rogues was because Schaeffer couldn't be at two places at once. And then ||Mc sent the cleanup crew, aka the hunters after the koala's and Schaeffer rogue squad||

[tall prism]

Who's ||mc?||

[sudden mortar]

Mc Manus

[tall prism]

Ohhh. Forgot he existed for a sec lol

[wicked gorge]

Keener was definitely the guy to max out charisma for a fallout play through

[tall prism]

Ong 😂

[wicked gorge]

Sarcastic jerk keener has a whole new meaning

[sudden mortar]

In the ending of the division 1, he probably had not only tchernenko, a 3D printer, a recipe book but also a good hair cream too lol

[wicked gorge]

Hey hair care is essential for everyday

[sudden mortar]

I'm thinking if the yellow color on the SHD watch is canon or if it's just a game design choice for Dark Zone Players Manhunt. We know that orange is normal, red is rogue and green is activated when agents are in the descent simulation. But I re-watched the Y5 season 3 trailer again, and I noticed that Kelso's watch is a bit yellow around 0:40. But I could also be wrong and that's just an editing error.

[wicked gorge]

Okay I gotta give you props for pointing that out cause I don’t think anyone would have noticed, but I might be just a higher color for just that scene so I wouldn’t be that big on it

[ashen jungle]

In some official things it's more orange, in others it's more yellow. I honestly think that it's not a hint to her allegiances and just a quirk of lighting.

On your physical wrist ingame once maxed out it's definitely more yellow.

[sudden mortar]

I think that too, even in the game they have a bit different tone for some reason.
For example, if you see the red from your agent when you are rogue, it has a bit different tone of red compared to the red watches you see on the memento backpack or bloody knuckles glove.

[ashen jungle]

Yeah very likely just lighting.

[glad spruce]

https://vxtwitter.com/disclosetv/status/1782774321695383977?t=oCZouGrPc4pipdm15P_eRQ&s=19

Okay, what else does Massive know that we don't?

[ashen jungle]

spoilers for the next Incursion I guess.

[waxen sonnet]

Cleaners meets Hyena's RC cars.

[glad spruce]

I was thinking more of Sparkles from Stovepipe Manhunt lol

[sudden mortar]

this gives me Titanfall 2 scorch vibes

[wicked gorge]

See sparkles came first

[tulip shale]

Vivian would be proud

[waxen sonnet]

You've now given me painful memories. I hate that Warhound with a Passion, that was the hardest Manhunt I've ever done, even after the Recruiters constant shielding by his deflector drone.

[glad spruce]

Same lol

[waxen sonnet]

I like how it had no introduction, Its like "Boom, here's a BTSU Warhound that has a massive flame thrower and is far more agressive than any other warhound subclass, have fun with that"

bloody Sparkles man....

[glad spruce]

Hehehe... Yeah .

At least Recruiter is doable with a viable build and playing it smart.

[waxen sonnet]

I Just broke his AI Looping around the kitchen table in the lodge 👀

[sudden mortar]

It's easy when you are using a status effect effect build, you can emp it and shock it with the scorpio

[tulip shale]

Sparkles was "easy" too with a pfe build, adrenaline rush + intimidate
I carried my clan that way through the whole mission, the drone turret only build players were NOT happy

[glad spruce]

I kinda wish max pfe mods aren't difficult to get lol

[tulip shale]

Real unicorns
I only have 2 after way too many hours
But with the chillout mask we don't need them

[wicked gorge]

The easiest solution

Ngl I would like more warhound variety

[waxen sonnet]

The fact they were gonna make them talk with ANNA would've been way more annoying, I mean Imagine getting staggered by a minigun warhound just to be wise ass commented by ANNA

[wicked gorge]

That would be terrifying hearing “ get rekt loser” from a warhound followed with rage

[glad spruce]

Probably a good thing that disaster capitalist barbie (aka Natalya) decided otherwise

Sometimes tech bros need to be put down a notch lol

[wicked gorge]

Nah, talking robotic dogs are fun to destroy

[glad spruce]

Not gonna lie, every time the Ortiz couple are featured in the Descent comms, I think myself "Man, those two didn't study ethics, have they?"

[wicked gorge]

Considering a lot of military manufacturing kinda ignores ethics and laws, it’s not surprising

Do y’all think in the BT spare time, they have contest to see who can ride a war hound the longest

[glad spruce]

Probably

[wicked gorge]

Its like the trade of cosmic brownies in elementary school all over again

[cold bramble]

seeing how fearless the rusher gals are playing heroic i bet they win the warhound riding contests lol

[gaunt ice]

Worst case scenario you miss out on a whopping 5%

Not that big

[wicked gorge]

They’re probably on them mre diets, I wouldn’t blame them

[tight jacinth]

My biggest wish for the manhunt finale is that the White House will finally be clean again ngl… this devastation triggers me everytime I see it

idc about the story that’s my wish 😎

[cold bramble]

I just want good story writing

Division 1 isn’t a masterpiece of a story but divisions 2 could’ve been so much better than it is now

[tight jacinth]

yea ofc that’s the main priority… just wanted to point out that it’s like that for about two years or even more (I know it’s like a week in game)… Everytime I am in the White House I ask myself why they can’t just clean it up 😂

[waxen sonnet]

Im now referring to Natalya as this now lmao.

[glad spruce]

Shout out to Thomas Parrott for the nickname during his AMA

[wicked gorge]

Im calling it, the final manhunt mission this season, we’re fighting two sparkies

[remote tree]

[urban musk]

It's ridiculous, if anything, the Whitehouse should've been repaired pronto. If it's anything the civilian militia and JTF say it is, that being "the Whitehouse is a symbol of America now" you'd think they would have it cleaned the day after the recruiter manhunt took place. but who knows, maybe the BTSU has imbedded saboteurs. I mean, the JTF don't even have body armor.

Now that I think about it, there must be some tomfoolery about. I mean, it's been like months and the JTF don't use body armor? yeah, that's fishy.

[ashen jungle]

The smart bet is that the BoO is going to be fixed up either next Season or maybe for the DLC, although there's always an option that the reason Castle is being fixed up so much is that it's going to be our new BoO and the White House will become a sort of "other hub" or even abandoned.

[waxen sonnet]

I missed a AMA? I dont suppose I could find that online anywhere mate?

[glad spruce]

There ya go, mate.

https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/18ujg4l/author_thomas_parrott_ama/

[waxen sonnet]

Thank you very much, appreciated

[tight jacinth]

true jtf walking around with no armor haha

love it

[sudden mortar]

What is ridiculous is the fact that a big part of the true sons were former JTF and they got vehicles, mortars, armor, automated turrets, and heavy weapons. So you're gonna tell me what's left of the JTF doesn't have ANY of that?? Even the JTF back in NY got armor and helmets and those that are in charge of "protecting" the white house only got a bunch of rifles and that's it.

[waxen sonnet]

Minus the helicopters. Its funny because there's even (currently) BTSU Humvee's literally abandoned in the fenceline they can take.

And that the SHD/DZ Supply drops are seemingly from the USAF still operating V-22's yet we get a glorified basic rate helicopter

[sudden mortar]

To be honest, I think it makes sense that the true sons are not using helicopters, it's already hard to have fuel for cars, so imagine having fuel for helicopters, (and the black tusk is a PMC, so they easily can have fuel with their money, or taking control of a fuel production line)

[sudden mortar]

I wonder who is managing those supplies to the DZ and LZ. At first I thought it was CERA delivering supplies until I saw the SHD symbol on those crates.

[sudden mortar]

Perhaps they could have SHD pilots too? We have seen that not every SHD agent is a soldier, like Maya who is a SHD engineer at the federal emergency bunker or the SHD recruiters before the green poison.

[waxen sonnet]

The larger veichles are already electric for the BTSU I recall, the Hovercrafts etc

[wicked gorge]

The thought of black tusk driving around hybrids makes them less terrifying to me

[waxen sonnet]

"The New Eco Freindly Hybrid Warcrime-O'craft, for those of you needing to take over a country, but keep your emissions down"

Its a sensible move tbh given all other power's failed on a large scale (Minus maybe Fairpoint Power plant from Countdown?)

[wicked gorge]

Its a sensible move yeah, but the thought of a black tusk unit pulling up on me in their BT issued Prius is just hilarious

[waxen sonnet]

I think we could just cripple the BTSU by throwing rocks at there solar power pannels at this rate, no charging there stuff for them.

[wicked gorge]

“Ma’am the hovercraft is out of power”. “How is it out of power”. “It’s a slightly cloudy day ma’am”

[glad spruce]

With fossil fuel being a commodity in the post-green poison US, renewable energy is all the rage for many factions

[waxen sonnet]

Stable power and the ability to create it is a massive propaganda and tactical advantage. Especially because 1 normally leads to other things, like Electricity can run water purifiers, heat lamps for food, Life support machines for sickbays etc.

[glad spruce]

Indeed.

[waxen sonnet]

Having something like the real world Solar battery's would essentially be like nuclear power in a new bronze age

[wicked gorge]

It would be like giving red bull to a peasant in the dark ages

[glad spruce]

Man, I wish its Tuesday already. I wanna see how this Manhunt pans out

[wicked gorge]

Yeah that’s what sucks about waiting, when you want something, life feels twice as slow

[glad spruce]

Yep

In any case, I got the third book, Hunted, so I should make some time reading the whole trilogy

[gaunt ice]

be like me

not play the game for the whole season

only do it now

no waiting needed

[nimble tartan]

Hunted is an amazing book. I listened to it on audible while at work. Finished in a day and half

[glad spruce]

So I've heard, I'd like to savor it and start with Recruited

[nimble tartan]

I would recommend doing them in order and audible has an exclusive hearts on fire book as well. They add so much to the experience of the game as a whole.

[wicked gorge]

Whats hearts on fire about

[nimble tartan]

It’s about a paramedic that gets activated during the start of the break out.

[waxen sonnet]

As @nimble tartan has already said but a little add on, deffinetly do the books in order as as you go on things are added to what's been established in the book/books behind it, so if you jump in at book 2 you're going to miss not just key events but the establishment of characters that may or may not return in book 3.

[glad spruce]

Of course!

[nimble tartan]

Yes, I accidentally started off in think in book 2 then when back. So I was confused a little when I started off. I do hope they keep adding new books though these are amazing stories outside the game.

[waxen sonnet]

I far preffered Thomas Parrott's books to Alex Irvine's writing but Broken Dawn is still a very good standalone book.

[glad spruce]

IIRC, doesn't the Operation Crossroads Trilogy take place during Division 2's timeline?

[waxen sonnet]

Yes, Broken dawn technically does as well.

Broken dawn begins several months after The events of Division 1 and leads into the very early moments of The Division 2

BTW Thanks for getting me that AMA Again @glad spruce I enjoyed reading through that.

[glad spruce]

No problem, buddy 😁

[sick lantern]

it covers the MC being recruited and trained into the SHD, her sister joins the cleaners, and there’s some LMB perspective as well

iirc

[sick lantern]

ehhhhhhh
not by their own timeline but division 2 says they do and the timeline doesn’t add up

[glad spruce]

Well, either way, I'm reading them books

[sick lantern]

broken dawn and crossroads are definitely worth it

[wicked gorge]

I think after the division 2 main story

[quiet jackal]

Is this that was posted on Reddit any true?

For Manhunt Finale because if it is that's so unreal

Like why

[wicked gorge]

Wdym

[quiet jackal]

Some guy leaked Manhunt finale in details,and I was like are they really doing that

I don't know if you read it

[glad spruce]

We're not allowed to talk leaks

[quiet jackal]

ah gotcha,its insane

if you wonder take a peek

[glad spruce]

I'd rather not

[quiet jackal]

I said it above.

[waxen sonnet]

While aware of that spoiler post, it's going to be very interesting to see how the hell if it's true people will react.

[obtuse arrow]

It is true

[glad spruce]

Okay, so I should make some time and read Recruited tomorrow. I'll give my opinion once I finish it

[waxen sonnet]

Depending on your pace, It'll take a day to a day and a half. its uhhhh, lemme just check my copy

317 pages.

[cold bramble]

Is it possible they’ll ever open up the entire mao of America for us to explore?

[waxen sonnet]

Unlikely due to the sheer budget and time constraints that'd take for them to pull off, let alone probably the storage space on people's devices that'd take up.

[cold bramble]

There’s something called optimisation for that stuff and also having a decent sized dev team 😂

[waxen sonnet]

Yes, but the point still stands, practically its not feasible for a Division game at this time.

[cold bramble]

When does Julian finish on Star Wars outlaws?

[marsh sundial]

Do we really need another FREAKING HUGE ubisoft brand open world

I like odyessy but man that map was big for no reason

[cold bramble]

Well it’s a different universe and I’m. Dry much curious how the rest of America reacted to the virus and shit

[marsh sundial]

I mean there is other ways to explore the world besides 60 hours of hiking

[cold bramble]

Like?

[waxen sonnet]

Storytelling within the Division doesn't need to be "travel everywhere to learn whats going on across the US", Half the reason the "Post appocalypse" setting of the division works so well is that *you feel cut off from the rest of the Country, and wider world.

[marsh sundial]

Warlords styled maps, raid maps, reports from npcs, whole games, books

[ionic elbow]

Bro, I want a division style zombies mode because I think that would be pretty cool having an alternate universe where the virus makes you feral and makes you more cannibalistic.

[sick lantern]

Fuel this is not

[sick lantern]

if you can travel back in time and get them to finish Codename Nightmare then you may be in luck

[ionic elbow]

Damn I actually remember that so much wasted opportunity….

They’re sitting on gold and they don’t even know it…

[waxen sonnet]

I would love some of the book Characters to be featured/tied into the game, Aurelio Diaz, Maira Khani and her cell etc

[sick lantern]

what’s-her-face the Kenly College girl mentioned in one of her broadcasts (the new ones they added with her) that after the events of Recruited ||the Freighties are successfully delivering supplies to DC. it would be cool if they modelled a little Freighty outpost somewhere on the map||

[waxen sonnet]

Perhaps given they reestablished a supply line to DC, It'd be cool to perhaps see them deliver supplies to the BOO Or Settlements in a cutscene etc.

[cold bramble]

Wait what’s that?

[sick lantern]

the premise of Recruited is that the Division cell is travelling west to re establish food supply lines to the major cities on the east coast, as satellite imagery shows that farming is still active and the cities will run out of food relatively soon ish

[cold bramble]

Oh damm. That’s cool

See that’s why I wanna see More of the map opened up. So we can meet more people

[waxen sonnet]

Deffinetly recommend you try the books then, they do a excellent job of expanding on locations not in game.

[cold bramble]

Where can I find them? Amazon?

[waxen sonnet]

Sure, I got all three of mine from Amazon UK.

You've the Three Operation Crossroads books and Broken dawn and I'd recommend all of them. New York Collapse is ok but not entirely as story telling as the others

[cold bramble]

Nice and are they anymore being worked on do we know?

Also I will look at ordering them. Because they seem like very interesting books

[waxen sonnet]

I do not know Im afraid. I dont think any have been announced.

[marsh sundial]

Gameplay related but thoughts on an anti rogue/pvp focused spec based off the hunters?

Thinking about an ax as the spec weapon

[wicked gorge]

The thought of a specialization with the main weapon a hunter axe and giving you a rage boost would be awesome, but they confirmed no new specs atm

[glad spruce]

Besides, weren't they supposed to do a rework of the specs, but decided not to due to development constraints at the time?

[wicked gorge]

I think it’s been delayed for the dlc

[ashen jungle]

That's the assumption.

[tight jacinth]

2 days guuuys

i am hyped

[glad spruce]

Technically 3 days since it'll be out on Tuesday 😛

[ashen jungle]

Depending on your timezone of course.

[waxen sonnet]

screams in impending chaos

[glad spruce]

Yeah, I'm staying out of this channel after the upcoming weekly reset for a few days. I can tell it's gonna be a mess

[ashen jungle]

Ping me if it goes too far, but I'm looking forward to the conclusion of this new kinda Manhunt.

[glad spruce]

Will do, boss

[waxen sonnet]

Having said that, the memes are brilliant.

[glad spruce]

What memes?

[waxen sonnet]

About the upcomming finale of this season, I cant share those because I wont spoil it for you (and also I dont have them saved and would need to refind them)

[ashen jungle]

Just to state this plainly, we will be enforcing the "no leaks" rule heavily in the lead up to the finale of this Manhunt.
I'll probably give a warning before a ban, but others may not.

[fast wharf]

I wonder if keener is alive

After seeing the new record of kelso getting shocked and then put down

Could either be hunters or keener himself

[ashen jungle]

My read on the situation is that it was an old thing that Kelso just found, as it was talking to, ya know, another dead person.

[fast wharf]

Although it appeard "unknown presence detected"

[fast wharf]

I mean yeah but what if keener were alive or a hunter were working for him

Nuh uh

[ashen jungle]

Jack, I swear if that's a hint after I just said.

[waxen sonnet]

No as in it was about

[fast wharf]

Does keener like bread tho

[waxen sonnet]

@ashen jungle is now going to shoot me, godspeed everyone

[fast wharf]

Have you ever imagined if they decided to tribute @ashen jungle as a random colorful watch repeating some word

[wicked gorge]

Plot twist shes Anna

[ashen jungle]

we both do speak exclusively with an AI voice.

[waxen sonnet]

Rivens is less annoying.

God I hate ANNA

[wicked gorge]

It all makes sense now

[obtuse arrow]

No he is dead he doesn't like anything

[ashen jungle]

The seagulls eating him prefer him to bread, if that helps.

[obtuse arrow]

Only if the bread isn't covered in toothpaste

[wicked gorge]

That’s a scary thought

[wicked gorge]

Hey Anna just wants to be human, don’t make me tel her your being mean

[ashen jungle]

I wouldn't hate ANNA turning into a GLADOS type at some point.
There's already more than a few robots wandering around the city.

[wicked gorge]

The next division game is gonna be a Detroit become human with Anna fighting for ai rights

[steep flame]

I kinda want the next mainline division game to be in Seattle. The final boss should be inflation. Joke aside, Seattle would be cool.

[waxen sonnet]

I wonder if they'll go to New Orleans given that really old original bit of concept art

[wicked gorge]

As much as I do dislike cali, I think it’ll make a good setting for a division game, especially if we get a mission on the golden gate bridge

[steep flame]

Yeah they don't even need to add lore to it. Just throw a division agent there.

[waxen sonnet]

Here me out

Las Vegas. I mean one dodgy note in a Casino with An incubation period of 14 days on a Casino chip passing hands on a casino floor would be lethally effective.

[wicked gorge]

The division: New Vegas, definitely not ripping fallout off

[waxen sonnet]

I mean dont get me wrong Im a life long player of Fallout and I love the Genre, but the location wasn't purpose made for just them, If another game pulls off a believeable designed plot for las vegas in there own genre, good for them I say.

[ashen jungle]

One of MSV's biggest strengths has always been world design, and I just can't see Vegas being as interesting as an actual regular city.

[wicked gorge]

Ik man, I was just cracking a joke, I started playing new Vegas recently, but seeing the Vegas strip torn and colorful lights everywhere seems awesome

Im gonna be disappointed if they’re aint a gambling system

[marsh sundial]

I don't think Vegas could work as a live service mainline division title but I think it could be a fun setting

Like if someone said a book, single player game, or a like a dlc map as part of a Midwest game

Like I think what's core of a good division map is the mix of major landmarks and government buildings. Vegas has the landmarks but like it's a stretch to figure out why an agent is setting up long term camp there

[ashen jungle]

I do believe Heartland is set somewhere closer to that kinda setting, but I agree that the main games should be big places.

[marsh sundial]

I will claim bias as a native but I'm down for Georgia as a location and I can defend the pick

[ashen jungle]

I want Chicago for one reason alone.
We can finally get (robot) dogs in there, fulfilling the promise of Watch dogs 1.

[wicked gorge]

Im from Georgia and honestly, the state has a lot of diverse and unique locations they can do

[marsh sundial]

With the CDC hq here we're the prime spot if they ever want to return to virus plot

[wicked gorge]

I would prefer it to be based in Savannah, i kinda wanna see how a city with a lot of waterways adapted to the world collapse

I don’t think the division will continue on a virus plot that much , but is going for a more civil war aspect

[glad spruce]

Yeah, the way things are going rn it feels more we're in an ideological conflict who should lead the reborn US

Virus is no longer relevant. Amherst got what he wanted, he won.

[marsh sundial]

The cdc still acts as weapon stockpile in a civil war kind of deal

[sick lantern]

black tusk stealing the bioreactor and tchernenko when they realise no one gives a fook about the virus anymore: 🤯

[glad spruce]

I'd dare say having the bioreactor and tchernenko in their hands gives them leverage with creating and distributing the anti virals.

[marsh sundial]

Could just use the place for an outcast-like group

[glad spruce]

The fact that those cultists are still around despite the death of their leader amazes me.

[wicked gorge]

Technically since they have tcherneko and the bioreactor, theoretically they can engineer green poison and make it more lethal, from the comns of wony, tcherneko is pretty easy to control

Then they could compromise with outcast remnants and create walking bio-weapons

[glad spruce]

Hmm, I remember there were references to the Saint Louis incident in Season 11.

I'd imagine Black Tusk was involved.

[wicked gorge]

They probably supplied the rogue and her outcast with uranium

[sick lantern]

i remember natalya saying they weren't though

[wicked gorge]

Wasnt said, but the probability of them supplying the outcast is high

[obtuse arrow]

Sounds about right

[sick lantern]

again… Stovepipe manhunt
didn’t Natalya literally say they DIDN’T do it when Stovepipe was grilling her about it

like she stopped beating around the bush and put on her serious voice™️ for it

also, it isn’t mentioned that the Black Tusk did it in Compromised or Hunted

[potent halo]

and then stovepipe ended up dead

[sick lantern]

I am 100% sure the black tusk had nothing to do with it, O’Shea was one rogue with a heavily personal motivation

[waxen sonnet]

BTSU Likely provided, or at least intentionally "lost" it to that cell of outcasts. Most likely acquired from the true son allies from the Pentco nuclear plant.

[waxen sonnet]

Sokolova might be lying
Shocked Pikachu meme

[glad spruce]

The disaster capitalist barbie lies? Well, I never! /s

[sick lantern]

she was talking in private to stovepipe with an annoyed tone of voice when accused of it by him, and natalya generally seems to show her actual true feelings in private conversations
the whole dirty bombs plot ended up being a huge red herring anyway, the black tusk didn’t use dirty bombs when they had access to a nuclear power plant, i doubt they would’ve been involved in a radiological attack literally halfway across the country
and again, Compromised and Hunted, never brought up again, nor in game since
why would she even get involved in a radiological attack like, great way to give yourself less useful space?

the only evidence that the black tusk were involved is “Natalya might have lied once”

the evidence they weren’t is everything else related to the incident

there is nothing anywhere in the franchise that I know of that suggests that the events of Recruited were a wider part of the BT’s machinations and not just Rowan’s personal revenge plot as the book makes it out to be

if the Stovepipe manhunt actually had ended with dirty bombs being used by the Black Tusk that actually would be a point of discussion
but the Stovepipe manhunt was just a web of confusion and tricks leading to a subverted expectations ending, the Black Tusk seeming like they were willing to use radiological weapons was a part of the misleading

[wicked gorge]

IMPOSSIBLE, YOUR TELLING ME THE CEO OF A POWER PMC AND BRAND COMPANY IS LYING, im sorry it just seems too absurd

[waxen sonnet]

When even ANNA Calls you out, you know its going well for you 😂

[wicked gorge]

If a AI calls me out on my bullshit then im gonna change my ways, that or pour water on anna

[glad spruce]

If there's one thing I hope they don't go through is giving our lovely Russian-American oligarch a sob backstory.

Regardless of what she gone through, her intentions are very malicious

[wicked gorge]

“Please I did all this cause my dad never thought I’d amount to anything” Me “ uhhuh” proceeds to load explosive rounds

[fast wharf]

I like How after 7 months the Green poison caused such Mayhem in USA

Division 1 we had civilians everywhere even some of them fighting for supplies

Division 2 you can't see them unless it's a Patrol unit

Not unarmed ones fighting and arguing

And i like How accurate they represent the nature

Taking over after the ruins of humanity

Significant increase into natural order such as hunting and surviving

And due to poluition, It caused the wheater to change such as high snow storms and sand storms in DC

[ashen jungle]

I think it's actually meant to be a dust-storm in DC.

[fast wharf]

Could be too

[ashen jungle]

Well there's a heavy lack of sand around the DC area.

[fast wharf]

Considering that it became a literal wild west

[ashen jungle]

Well not literal, it's on the east coast.

[fast wharf]

Maybe it could be DC-62

The remains of it

[ashen jungle]

That would mean every single person in DC would be dead.

[fast wharf]

That aren't active or harmful

I might be wrong but if i remember it needs to be a little wet or something like that

[ashen jungle]

Cold weather, basically.

[fast wharf]

Yes

Also the increase in rain

[sick lantern]

no, it’s a chemical agent that is inherently highly toxic
it’s just that it leaked in the south and east DZs because of flooding? at least in DZ south, in Georgetown they just sprayed it everywhere and died of their own accord

if they had to wait for it to rain I don’t think the true sons would use it as a weapon

[ashen jungle]

In the DZ where they dipped that guy in the barrel, it was explained that "cold weather" activated it.
it was sprayed over the neighbourhood because they thought it would protect them from the outbreak, but ended up killing most of them

which also explains why it wasnt immediately toxic and why they decided to go through with coating the place in it.

[sick lantern]

i thought they were just supposed to be selfish rich idiots, rushing to use DC62 which hadn’t been properly safety tested

it was like march or april, if not closer to the game’s summertime setting so not really cold
and even then… still being used as a weapon in the summertime i don’t really buy “cold weather activates it”

unless the true sons have some form of refrigerated mortar shells

[ashen jungle]

I just assume C02 mechanism inside the rocket.

There's probably cannisters of it around the museum.

[fast wharf]

Bomb mans with DC-62 on the bomb are scary

[wicked gorge]

Last day ladies and gentlemen, anyone want to take a final guess on what keener left us

[obtuse arrow]

A big surprise

[cyan haven]

His mixtape

[waxen sonnet]

Keeners my little pony collection. Also what it actually is is it's - [REDACTED So Rivens doesnt send me to the ban realm]

[obtuse arrow]

Only Rogue Agents know what it really is because it's all part of our plan

[waxen sonnet]

Not true they Just read Reddit 🥴

[obtuse arrow]

I'm talking about lore not sure what you're talking about

[waxen sonnet]

I don't honestly think all the rogues know tbh, lots of cells are now either killed by our Agents, or never were Keeners rogues to begin with

[vale oak]

"im not a big fan of the division (30 on 30)"

[glad spruce]

Yeah, some of the Rogues who are still alive either went back to their families, are rogue for their own self-interest, etc...

[glad spruce]

Also, one more day. I know its seasonal stuff, but I get the feeling we'll get something big with the finale

[fast wharf]

Keener left us some little red smokes, it's definitely unharmful

[glad spruce]

As long they smell good, I wouldn't mind having a whiff 😛

[wicked gorge]

Let me speak to the people Valassi

Imagine what’s inside the box is another box with a even harder lock system

[tight jacinth]

Is it out yet?

[glad spruce]

Tomorrow

On weekly reset

[ashen jungle]

Tuesday here.

as always it's best to just say "on weekly reset".

[glad spruce]

You got it, boss

[tight jacinth]

idk when’s that lol

Just say cet if you’re European

[toxic niche]

in europe is still monday

[tight jacinth]

yeaaa I am not in Europe but I figured out you are so you could just tell me when it’s coming out in your time zone so I can see when it’s getting published here 😭

[glad spruce]

In any case, I'm staying out of the channel for tomorrow. Don't wanna spoil myself

[tight jacinth]

Yep, same

[marsh sundial]

Not sure if I'm upset about this or not but ultimately keener was right

Division was a poorly trained army of goons that didn't know they was henchmen.

[ashen jungle]

Keener was a wall street bro, any thoughts from him should be taken with a whole warehouse full of salt.

[marsh sundial]

Which makes the whole line of reason even worse

[ashen jungle]

Going by his age and if div2 is set in the any time near future (we don't know, but go with me) then he was likely involved in the 2008 financial crash.

[marsh sundial]

Just about everything post warlords has been "you're dancing in someone's hand right until you stab them in the thumb"

[ashen jungle]

Well not exactly, a lot of the canon was retconned as time went on, to include elements that are now the main plot.

e.g. Sokolova existing.

[sick lantern]

wouldn’t that then apply to Keener himself

[marsh sundial]

Funny enough yes, his arc was basically an attempt to become something more

[ashen jungle]

His arc of attempting to mass murder the entirety of NYC?

he used the phrase "wipe the slate clean". That is as Thanos-y as you can get.

comic thanos, not movie.

[marsh sundial]

Yes, he wanted to go from puppet to puppet master and we cut his strings

[ashen jungle]

Keener was already running the show back in NYC during div1. He had the virus creation stuff and a guide on how to make them.
How much more power did he need?

Which is why I'm suspecting that they've altered some div1 canon.

[sick lantern]

inb4 “i didn’t ACTUALLY kill all those division agents i just transported them to my secret settlement”

[ashen jungle]

<cut to the opening WONY cutscene where they're slitting the throats of the JTF>

[marsh sundial]

Maybe I'm thinking about how his plan better than him but this how it would have went down I think if we didn't stop it

[ashen jungle]

This all does kinda sound like people are only agreeing with anything he's saying because he's a charismatic voice. If it was Wallace Shawn saying this no one would buy it for a second.

note to self: movie casting idea.

I'll just say that if Keener is still actually alive, it's got to be pulled off perfectly or I'm probably uninstalling.

[marsh sundial]

Rocket goes off, nyc is cleared of all forces, ANNA sends an invite to all agents loyal to keener, uses the threat of more rockets to build out a kingdom of keener

[steep flame]

Enough charisma can turn a mob into something worse.

I am excited.

[marsh sundial]

Key point I want to be put on record. Keener is a prick but like the people behind SHD was almost vault-tec levels of nutty with how everything was handled

[steep flame]

That is actually a really good way to put it.

[ashen jungle]

I want to comment but I'm not going to spoil the Fallout show.

[steep flame]

Half way through the show myself. I've played all the games though. I uber loves it.

[ashen jungle]

Trust me on this: finish it before you take too long. I'll just say that it's likely setting up Fallout 5.

[marsh sundial]

Like we flat out heard ingame and I'm paraphrasing a little "this dude is freaking nuts, give him a backpack full of self driving bombs"

[ashen jungle]

They never expected the directive to go through, unless that's been made non-caon.

that's why a bunch of rich kids got put in the SHD, as a kinda prestige thing or something.

[steep flame]

As long as they fund my consistent amount of armor plates that keep breaking... it's fine.

[ashen jungle]

Their development of the infinitely refilling ammo crates was a huge success!

[marsh sundial]

I just had a major stupid thought

[ashen jungle]

that the Manhunt reward will just be Kelso's jacket? I know and I'm here for it.

[wicked gorge]

No thought is stupid to a extent

[steep flame]

I would kill kelso just for that jacket.

[marsh sundial]

If division as an universe ended with "this was a simulation to see how SHD would react to a post apocalypse situation" what would the playerbase do

[steep flame]

Buy the 3rd game. Cause i have fun with it regardless.

[ashen jungle]

I'd love to be at the in-universe budget approval meeting when that is pitched.

[steep flame]

I can now imagine Aaron Keener popping into the room screaming "it was just a prank bro, the camera is right over there!"

[wicked gorge]

It would probably be like the walking dead theory where Rick was in a coma the whole time

[steep flame]

"Agent, didn't you think it strange you could mag dump into a single person and they wouldn't die?"

[sudden mortar]

Kelso: Oh, I... I thought you were dead.
Keener: my death was greatly exaggerated.

[wicked gorge]

“No, I found it strange when the person I killed was flung in the air”

It’s crazy to think that keeners warpath could have been avoided if they just gave him a snickers

[cold bramble]

What’s everyone’s theory for the season finale tomorrow?

[steep flame]

The BBEG will show up and show us some multiplication. Mayhaps even some... subtraction.

[wicked gorge]

Is the manhunt mission confirmed on liberty island

[marsh sundial]

Zombie keener for the Halloween event

[sleek plover]

....I made the exact same.joke

about an year ago

here you go

[sleek plover]

I am very sure the ur-final boss of the series would be the secret elites of Morovian Society, which mcmAnus and Sokolova are already members

[vast grove]

ok

I was not expecting this

[cold bramble]

Too early to ask questions about the finale?

[vast grove]

I have many questions 😄

[cold bramble]

Me too. But one I have that’s not specifically related. Is Isac still not functioning at 100% from the previous attack? Or am I misunderstanding something relating to new lore? I’m very confused haha

[scarlet crater]

who is coming up with the story..? 😭

[cold bramble]

You mean that in a good way or bad?

[scarlet crater]

bad way

[cold bramble]

What makes you say that? Please don’t spoil anything though

[scarlet crater]

i’m not don’t worry

all i’m saying is that… it doesn’t make any sense.

[cold bramble]

Ahh okay

[vast grove]

it does make sense it just proved 99% of theory crafters in this discord wrong

[scarlet crater]

it doesn’t though 😭 sure you can say shit about the comms explaining but it’s just the fact that there was no reason to keep some of the people not MIA

like the dlc will be good i have a strong hope for that but again now we have to wait almost a year for it. and this was supposed to lead into that dlc.

[cold bramble]

Wait so what is their plan for story while we wait for the dlc?

[glad spruce]

||Knowing the end cutscene, the next two seasons will very likely gonna center around convincing other allies (White House, JTF, Haven, etc...) to help Keener||

[lone salmon]

Oh we're absolutely going rogue aren't we

[scarlet crater]

probably. it’s just that there was no reason to keep him alive. we magged dumped the shit out of him

[lone salmon]

Hooray for red watches

[languid tinsel]

I don't think we are getting new seasons until DLC, they will do reruns

[vast grove]

yeah looks like we are

[glad spruce]

Uh, you sure?

[lone salmon]

Well we're getting new gear so surely we're getting new story content as well (even if it's filler)

[glad spruce]

https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/wiki/thedivision2/roadmap

Look up the Year 5/Year 6 roadmap

[scarlet crater]

the ending to the manhunt just feels so unnatural to me for some reason

it just there wasn’t a point to bring them back at all. i feel like he wasn’t needed to be brought back at all

[glad spruce]

I sure hope the channel doesn't go to a tantrum in the meantime.

[scarlet crater]

but that’s just my opinion it feels a bit forced

[glad spruce]

In the meantime, I should play Descent and see what this week's Descent comms have for us

[languid tinsel]

Huh, must've seen the old roadmap then. My bad.

[glad spruce]

No worries. I mean, they delayed the DLC to next year due to Project Resolve, so...

[scarlet crater]

well hopefully they can do some good bug fixing in the meantime before the dlc

i’d rather have the game feel smooth right now tbh

i don’t want to go through that playstation outage again 😞

[cold bramble]

But what about story?

[scarlet crater]

in my opinion it just didn’t make any sense for some stuff and it feels forced in a way but i’m excited for the dlc

[glad spruce]

I guess we'll have to figure out what the next two seasons is in store for us

[cold bramble]

And if we go a year without story leading to the dlc. How are they going to explain what has happened in that years timeline?

[scarlet crater]

lowkey i just want them for the next two seasons to like fix the game tbh

[glad spruce]

I mean, we still have the two seasons. Y6S1 and Y6S2

[scarlet crater]

he’s saying that will there be manhunts

like new ones

[scarlet crater]

he’s saying if there will be like new manhunts for filler or will it be reruns

it’ll prob be filler

[cold bramble]

I see

Btw are there any devs in this server?

[spare arrow]

there are but they arent on often

[cold bramble]

Lol okay

[glad spruce]

Personally,. I see no reason to believe the next two seasons will be filler until we get to see what they offer on stream (y'know, the day before next season's launch)

[cold bramble]

New season is in June right?

June 10th?

[scarlet crater]

eh if it’s reruns i’m just waiting till doc

dlc

[glad spruce]

Looks like it

[ashen jungle]

So, I finished the Manhunt.

[scarlet crater]

opinion.?

[ashen jungle]

I'm not happy.

[scarlet crater]

yep same here lmao

also it’s another fact that we have to wait so long for the dlc

[ashen jungle]

Honestly after what just happened, I'm potentially waiting even longer.

[scarlet crater]

the mission itself was dope but the ending was 🙏🏼😭

[lone salmon]

So really speaking the writers are going the route of "rogues are the true Division"

[scarlet crater]

yeah that part is dope i like that

[cold bramble]

Damm. I’m not filled with much confidence by what you guys saying

[patent narwhal]

the crowd is divided ‼️

[scarlet crater]

but i’m not happy about the fact that they brought back.

[lone salmon]

This really has been the Division all along