division-universe

[sick lantern]

…what?

[wicked gorge]

Thx, I was doing tb on heroic and they caught my eye when I was looting everything

Still think it’s a nice change to show how embedded bt are with Ortiz

[stray crystal]

Atleast that's what I read, I haven't pushed through all different legendary missions yet, and especially not TB since I'm not the biggest fan of it on Heroic

[wicked gorge]

I run everything on heroic lately I’ve been using the sniper build NGN posted and I noticed the orange boxes scattered around the hovercrafts missile site, i dont think they’re in all legendary missions

Also shouldn’t all legendary missions have the black tusk stuff around since they’re technically invaded

[shut barn]

SHD Tech without modify,has no power is point.

[wicked gorge]

Ahh so he have someone who drank the hunter kool aid, how’s the hunters

[red urchin]

who are those guys roaming wielding crossbows? they dont look like hyenas

[lusty gull]

underground

[sleek plover]

I thought bows were more Ambushers thing

[wicked gorge]

You mean compound bow?

[sick lantern]

Underground and Ambushers are so fascinating. like what is their deal

[late void]

Poor lost souls barred from joining any of the bigger groups due to their deeply irritating personalities

[remote tree]

Ambushers are the randos with a bandit style to them
Undergrounders are the crazy cannibals whose big guys carry chain saws

So who are the ones with skii masks?

In new york at least whenever you run summit

[ashen jungle]

My head-canon is that they're what's left of the Rioters from div1.

[sick lantern]

i know who they are
i mean why they are
who came up with these two random mini-factions who are a step above rioters but aren’t relevant and aren’t full on factions, hell even rioters who aren’t a faction lore wise have a more structured gameplay presence
was there going to be six factions, but then they cut it down but kept the finished character models to have more randos in the open world? why did massive make them. it’s so bizarre lol

[radiant citrus]

I mean... Ambushers and scavengers are exactly that. They're not full on factions simply cause there ain't enough of em. In terms of lore, there ain't much about them either. But I kinda headcanon that they're essentially what's left of people who were either expelled from the settlements, or didn't actually decide to join up with any of the other factions and are essentially just, living up to their name and ambushing supply lines like common bandits to survive.

The hyenas are similar but there's enough of them that they're an actual nuisance to people, whereas the ambushers, there's not enough of them to set off any alarm bells, especially given their nomadic nature and the fact they kinda just live in sewers or abandoned buildings cause they wanna be left alone, but can and will mess up anyone who steps on their turf or has what they want.

[stray crystal]

That has been my thought aswell as to why they exist.
If they Hyena council never existed, we would've most likely seen different colored Hyena's, because they're a bunch of different sub-clans.
Ambushers, Scavengers, Undergrounders - they don't align with any faction in morals, nor want to be a part of a community - so they survive.

[sick lantern]

yes I know.

I meant in real life

why are they a thing

like I could get one rando faction to have just lying around and have loot hoarders, but two? two with distinct visual styles

[wicked gorge]

I wish we got more on them, at least a classified assignment or two

[raw yew]

Natalia was talking about truckers in the new propoganda broadcast

About how she will restore them to their former glory or something like that, I feel like this rioters are the truckers

[wicked gorge]

The truckers are from the Division novels, they’re basically supply chains

[ashen jungle]

Rioters are a faction from div1 that seemingly no longer exist, kinda like the LMB (although we'll see how that goes)
as Birdy said, very different from Truckers.

[sick lantern]

rioters aren’t a “faction” except only in gameplay
rioters are anyone who’s being a bandit etc without being associated with a larger ideological faction, the term “rioter” is just the Division/JTF’s doctrinal term for them

[sick lantern]

the Freighties (good) and the Roamers (evil) are two rival factions of lorry drivers introduced in Recruited, the Black Tusk were mentioned to be working with the Roamers first back in the Stovepipe manhunt in a comm from Mort “Cursed” Kellogg

[ashen jungle]

They are officially counted as a Faction, which is what matters.
https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Factions

the tl;dr is that Rioters are what Hyena's were before they got organised, which is an interesting parallel.

[sick lantern]

in terms of gameplay but not in terms of in the universe

[ashen jungle]

Talk about splitting hairs.

[sleek plover]

rioters are mt fav faction alongside outcasts

[raw yew]

Being set on fire is the bane of my existence. They spawn and suddenly the whole floor is on fire

I like the true sons, I’m not constantly being rushed or being set on fire 🥲

These enemy archetypes in descent with unlimited use of their skills is annoying af. Cleaner drone eats bullets

[raw yew]

Who is Cassandra

[shut barn]

Guardian.

[sick lantern]

we dunno

and considering the circumstances she is probably not the only other Cassandra we know of

if she is it’ll be so funny

[shy ridge]

Does anyone else think we'll see a new enemy faction in the Brooklyn expansion?

I think it would be very interesting to see Sokolov Concern as its own enemy faction that works with Black Tusk. A focus on CQC combat, since their gear buffs SMGs.

[stray crystal]

That's just weird tbh, BT is Sokolov

[shut barn]

Sokolova control,black tusk and hunters.(And rogues)

[stray crystal]

Sokolova - the heir of Sokolova Concern - controls Black Tusk, but there's nothing on her controlling Hunters. If anything, McManus is controlling Sokolova, but that's speculation.
Rogues will also be speculation.

[shut barn]

McManus is boss and Sokolova is right hand.(its possible)

But McManus send Recruiter.(He best hunter-(Recuiter is Agent Johnson)

[stray crystal]

I genuinely think McManus is playing Sokolova, letting her do the dirty work.
Descent comms hints to him doing that from the get go.

[shut barn]

Its lot speculations,need deepest go in story.

[stray crystal]

You and I are both speculating here

[shut barn]

McManus he control Sokolova what control Sokolova?

She is only provisional 100%.

[tepid ibex]

That one group who were in Div 1 that were renowned for their immaculate drip and were led by Walter White 👀

[gaunt ice]

Breaking bad if Hank didn’t die

[stray crystal]

||McManus asked Ortiz' to let him access ISAC, ANNA and DIAMOND on the same watch, they said sure but it'll create a backdoor if anyone is willing to look for it. Theo found the backdoor and retrofitted ANNA to be the Rogue Network, otherwise it wasn't used. Latest note from Kelso mentions a "key" in regards to all this, which makes me wonder if Cassandra is some kinda tech genius like Theo or they found out about this backdoor.||

[surreal umbra]

What did I miss from descent Comms😭

[stray crystal]

Time to listen to them all via Rogue Agent on YT ^^

[surreal umbra]

So essentially SHD is compromised

[stray crystal]

We learned that much in the last manhunt with The Recruiter

[surreal umbra]

I got whiplash from that manhunt

Man just came in and it's like oh no he's a hunter

[stray crystal]

Story DLC in 2025 (Y6S3) will take place in Brooklyn, the Manhunt name (or DLC) is Black Diamond, which with our Descent knowledge could hint to the Black Tusk HQ being in Brooklyn - which to me is interesting, because it kinda fits with the angle the missile has at the end Liberty Island - although ANNA said "Missile target locked: Manhattan." in the mission. (She could be lying tho, she's afterall intelligent enough to "play us like that")
There's just some potential for afterthought there, because Keener toyed with us in regards to "Why would the Black Tusk be there for him on Liberty Island" - "That's the million dollar question". He hacks the Marauder (maybe he also found the DIAMOND access with Theo?) and as he dies and activates ANNA, he says "You have no idea what's coming"
I like to think that it all fits together, but who's to know.

[surreal umbra]

Interesting

To say the least

[sleek plover]

Exclusively Ex-LMB "foreign legion" BT unit.
Its gonna be so satisfying to see them go burn and boom

[wicked gorge]

Man I sure do love the last man battalion, they are nice people

[sick lantern]

just play div 1 bro

[sick lantern]

i can only imagine the black tusk were there to kill/capture the most wanted man in america who recently betrayed them

[gaunt ice]

brother all the LMB died at wall street as JTF

[gaunt ice]

it would be really dumb if ||BT HQ is actually in NYC||,just sayin

[shut barn]

Keener have too ANNA (network)Hunter´s use ANNA.(But ANNA allow rogues,hunters to get better SHD tools.

[stray crystal]

Keener's last act was activating ANNA as the Rogue Network.
Hunter's uses a classified version of ISAC, not ANNA

[sick lantern]

i wasn't under the impression we knew what network hunters use

[stray crystal]

"Bonney would then be given a unique SHD Watch with a Classified status and access to the same unknown network used by the Hunters."
This is what is learned in the mission.
It also makes sense why they would be interested in a mobile SHD server, if they're running ISAC.

I believe I've seen it being mentioned as a classified version of ISAC, which is what I base it off

[sick lantern]

key word there being unknown network no

and SHD tech can access all three networks

[stray crystal]

Thing is, we know there's 3 networks accessible on the watch and it would make no sense for them to be running DIAMOND or ANNA, since ISAC would pick that up - but running a "classified" version of ISAC allows them to blend in.

[sick lantern]

surely ISAC would be better at recognising itself than the classified, top secret networks that need backdoor access

[stray crystal]

If the hunter network just looks like ISAC, they blend in.

[stray crystal]

Thing is though, Keener knew Sokolova and McManus pre outbreak - that much is learned in Descent comms. Black Tusk is sending everything they got after Keener at the same time we are. He has knowledge they don't want us to get. We're just the stupid SHD, taking orders from ISAC, agent who killed him.

It is what it is though.

[sick lantern]

i misinterpreted what you said as not knowing why they would be there even at all sorry

[shut barn]

Hunter´s uses modified version of ISAC (and SHD Tech) Modify by McManus Technician´s.

Without modify SHD Tech is useless.

[shut barn]

McManus recruiting Hunters,hunters eliminating black tusk controlling Sokolova And McManus black tusk completing orders of Sokolova and McManus hunters make work to clean disrupted activities in world.(New York and Washington D.C)

Agents make ISAC Orders.

Keener is not bad for me.

He know what comes,and here is it.

[sick lantern]

what are you talking about

[shut barn]

I talk about original SHD Tech its useless .(Without modify)

[sick lantern]

that’s outright false
also what does “without modify” mean

gonna mod my turret
Pimp my SHD tech

[shut barn]

Its not possible,to modify but Division not know how to modify.

And this is why Division loose in war.

With McManus.

[sick lantern]

I still have no clue what you’re trying to say.

since when is modifying SHD tech a relevant topic?

[glad spruce]

Whoever recommended the Rogue Agent youtube channel so I can catch up on Descent comms, thank you.

[stray crystal]

If it was in general chat lately, it was probably me - otherwise I've had it recommended in here aswell. It was so nice to get through myself, so interesting!

[glad spruce]

It does help explain some stuff

[surreal umbra]

Who's this Ortiz that keeps getting brought up

[glad spruce]

Ortiz Robotics. A technology firm led by Alexander and Claire Ortiz.

They were involved in many things, which included ISAC, ANNA, the augmented reality simulation for Descent game mode, etc...

[surreal umbra]

Ohhh

Is there a lore reason for why theyre not working with the division

[stray crystal]

Eh, who's to say they aren't?
But with Green Poison they're most likely dead or with McManus in whatever bunker he went to that was hinted in the comms

[surreal umbra]

I wonder if we’ll ever get a shot at that guy or sokolova

[stray crystal]

It would be hardcore blueballing if we find out McManus is dead

[final yacht]

If Division agents cannot travel outside the USA, what kind of agent that functions similar to SHD agents but can travel everywhere?

[surreal umbra]

CIA?

[sick lantern]

fr lol

[gaunt ice]

CIA in Div verse probably has like neutralizers like MIB tbh

like you'd think that if SHD has all these fancy techs for just homeland sec then the bigger departments have bigger toys

[ashen jungle]

I just assume they have an Intersect.

[wicked gorge]

You would think the division would have a few warhounds in their arsenal

[raw yew]

its the summit 😏

[gaunt ice]

would be real funny if summit is canon now

[raw yew]

i need it to be

need explanation for hunters

[sick lantern]

the Cleaners and Rikers with the hugest wangs, breaking directly in:

[paper mist]

i just wonder how DC/NY still have power for the whole city

[cyan haven]

DC has a Solar Farm on the National Mall, plus with the reduced population, the power needs would also be greatly reduced, as for NYC, I’d assume the power plant from that one mission where we stop the Rikers from blowing it up still has a bit of fuel, probably a couple solar farms too

[glad spruce]

While I got busy farming Lau's manhunt for audio logs, I couldn't help but laugh at the irony of one audio log involving Viper and Circe ranting about The Division getting on top of Black Tusk's operations.

[wicked gorge]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Black Tusk has a couple of rogue soldiers in their ranks

[sleek plover]

Mcmanus is an alien from planet Mcmanus

[final yacht]

I mean agents from around the world that function like SHD agents.

[random sand]

Warrengate was nuclear?

[cyan haven]

Not sure if it’s nuclear, just saying that given the reduced power needs, any form of fuel for a reactor would get more mileage, and most plants keep enough fuel for at least 6 months, so with the lower power needs, that 6 months could easily last a year, maybe 2, especially with solar farms picking up any slack

[sick lantern]

nonexistent as far as we know

[gaunt ice]

we dont know bout them,SHD honestly is just souped up national guard

[glad spruce]

More like a death squad that answers to no one 😛

[waxen sonnet]

I believe in one of the Comms Mcmanus already say's he's hunters embedded into the BTSU even Sokolova isn't aware off, one of those from the Recuriter Manhunt season iirc?

Edit: @glad spruce and @sick lantern are correct in pointing out I was wrong, its actually from Hidden alliance, Thank you Hawkster for correcting me on my mistake!

[sick lantern]

that's from like last year or so iirc

[glad spruce]

Hidden Alliance

[wicked gorge]

Im talking more of wanting to side with the Division but are scared to cause of the hunters

[waxen sonnet]

Have you read Thomas Parrots books at all, the third book delves into the fact BT are so terrified of failing Sokolova due to what would happen to them that a pilot basically does suicide-by-agent instead of having to go back alive to Sokolova.

[stray crystal]

I hate that the timeline of the books are at minimum 6 months after the current div2 time, which if they are to remain canon - we aren't exactly taking down the BT soon.

[waxen sonnet]

I think thats done with the purpose of not clashing in game with things that might happen during the writing process, which is understandable,

[stray crystal]

It's moreso in the context of whenever the books are mentioned here, but we mostly talk about the game.
The books are more or less canon, as of now, afaik, but they could also just decide we kill sokolova when brooklyn dlc comes around - which then maybe nullifies some of the books. Opposite to that, if books are to remain canon, then some things just can't happen ingame

[waxen sonnet]

For the most part this is, with exception of book 3, the reason I think he stepped away from the BTSU and bigger main characters.

[stray crystal]

Yeah, it makes sense. Keep it within the universe, but make sure the books and ingame are seperated enough.
I haven't had a full read of the books, just the snippets from in here and getting acquainted with the timeline described in the first chapter - but I read his AMA which was interesting

[wicked gorge]

Only read recruited I’ve been needing to buy the last 2

[waxen sonnet]

I am not a keen reader outside of my educational-topic books, but all three have been very very good books I've greatly enjoyed, and does very well at making the agents feel not so "superhero" and grounded into real humans with real wounds etc

[waxen sonnet]

I would highly suggest the last two.

[wicked gorge]

If only I can find them in stores near me

[waxen sonnet]

Amazon stocks them, its how I ordered all my division books

[spare arrow]

Hey, lets keep any spoilers from the newer books spoiler-tagged? Is that cool? I know some people havent actually read the ooks due to not being able to get a copy in their region, so lets at least spoiler tag it for them, okay?

[frank fjord]

I wonder if we will ever go across other continents with the division , meet different branches or similar agents

[wicked gorge]

Since the Division is tied in with the US government I doubt they would leave the US, if they do they lose every power and authority they have

[ashen jungle]

Strategic Homeland Division.
our authority kinda ends at the border.

[stray crystal]

So what you're saying is we need to employ, say, a PMC to go into destabilised governments so we can take them for ourselves?

[ashen jungle]

Sounds like we might have Just Cause to do it.

[sick lantern]

that's clever

[stray crystal]

Careful, I'm at my Break Point when it comes to puns.

[wicked gorge]

Cough cough Last Man Battalion cough cough

[stray crystal]

That's what I was alluring to. That and/or BT

[wicked gorge]

If you think about it, it kinda makes sense why we saw hunters in legendary missions in div 1 since Lmb had some connections with bt, I think at least

[sick lantern]

the black tusk supplied some of the lmb remnants with arms so they would... honestly don't know why they did it and it seemed to bite them in the ass long term. cause chaos i guess but

[stray crystal]

I've already got two arms, I'm good - don't need no BT

[sick lantern]

but div 1 legendary isn't quite canon and neither is div 2 afaik iirc

[ancient path]

they obviously aren't

manny only talks once before you slaughter 200-300 dudes

[wicked gorge]

Probably the same reason they supplied the hyenas

[sick lantern]

thing is with the hyenas they were adding fuel to the fire when it was a three way brawl
with the LMB they were supporting a group who had already lost

sure it might kill a few more JTF but

and it ended up getting Division agents on their tail and an elite BT operative captured, and killed to prevent interrogation

could've avoided all that guys

[wicked gorge]

Silly it’s a plot device

[waxen sonnet]

"There are Divisions within the Division" Probably was Mr Merchant knowing and warning about hunters being Agents I presume with hindsight now?

[stray crystal]

Could just aswell be about Rogue - and the definition of that. Stuff like not agreeing with "the mission"

[waxen sonnet]

True see I thought that at first but it seems to be more lijke even before activation there was a hidden element to some agents

[sudden mortar]

Sometimes I wonder if the cleaners have a chance of working with the black tusk. And not only because Wright was a cleaner but also one of McManus' hunters. I think that because if BT tries to recruit one more faction, the cleaners would be good.
The Rikers and Hyenas are too undisciplined and disorganized, and no way the outcasts would join BT because of their alliance with the true sons.

[raw yew]

I just had an encounter with the federal emergency bunker spawning underground faction with black tusk and they were allies 😂

[wicked gorge]

They’re evolving

[raw yew]

I think they would if they trust the black tusk to adopt a program for them to sterilize the infected areas. Jupiter did it with them once and so did Keener, needless to say the cleaners are very gullible / hive minded

They are my favorite faction to fight tho, rikers being second, the true sons and black tusk are just straight up annoying exploding everything and outcasts HAVE to set everything on fire

The cleaners set you on fire with purpose 😊

[sick lantern]

let’s not forget that the cleaners kicked the bt’s ass at coney island

[waxen sonnet]

CQC With flamethrowers is PTSD inducing. so I dont blame the BTSU for fleeing.

[sudden mortar]

Plus we killed half of their unit before Kenner gave the sign to the cleaners attack.

[waxen sonnet]

And Jones Was off having a temper tantrum instead of clear concise Orders

[glad spruce]

Considering all the damage we've done to the Black Tusk at this point, I'm surprised Sokolova hasn't thrown a tantrum

[mint citrus]

It'd likely be a very composed one, given how she sounds in all the comms

[jagged fox]

Anyone have an idea of what exactly Aaron Keener;s ideology is? Like the new season seems to be making him out to be an anti-villain of some sort, and obviously we'll learn more as new info comes out, but last time I checked wasn't he some kind of survival of the fittest maniac? That doesn't seem like the same Keener who would go around helping civilians, even if it was for selfish reasons. @ me to reply.

[wicked gorge]

Basically if you are aligned with the government or Black Tusk, your mean

[jagged fox]

yeah but
What do they disagree about
why is he against black tusk and why is black tusk against him

[surreal umbra]

God knows

[sick lantern]

he wants to help? but he’s an egotistical maniac so everyone has to do it his way or not at all

[wicked gorge]

He already knew McManus which apparently everyone knew before the outbreak except the division and Natalya so it’s safe to assume he knew BT was on his payroll or going to be

There’s a lot of similarities between the black tusk and division if you study both sides so he probably sees another division on the horizon

[sudden mortar]

I just finished a descent run and got nine comms. So we have ANNA in the Mobile SHD server, but it's dormant. I think that confirms that we will be using ANNA at some point.

[stray crystal]

If you're talking about some of the first comms that talks about how ISAC, ANNA and DIAMOND are all on the Watch? That's how Theo found it back in WONY.
I wouldn't say it confirms we'll use ANNA tho

[sudden mortar]

There's a comm called "backup" where Conley and Claire talk about a backup plan. Claire said: She's still there. Lurking beneath the code, dormant and saved on Mobile SHD Server.

[glad spruce]

So... we basically stopped The Recruiter and Black Tusk from taking the Mobile SHD Server from last season because it had ANNA in it?

[stray crystal]

No, we stopped them from taking it because only the SHD has the mobile SHD server.
ANNA is on every watch.

[sudden mortar]

Kinda hard to know, Birdie said that Natalya wanted to modify the server for her tech but one of the descent comms, "Trig" told Claire that Nat doesn't want the AI. So Idk. Maybe Nat is just pissed that the division is still active after they hacked the main SHD servers.

[glad spruce]

Gotcha

[raw yew]

So what’s the deets on Mackenzie Meret is she a narc / black tusk insider and how does she know the lovely Cal…?

I find her sus

Don’t tell me that everyone who knows Natalya knows Cal 👁️

[glad spruce]

She's a rich socialite who was also in similar circles with Nat for years.

NGN's video on Paradise Lost goes over on Mackenzie Meret and her relationship with Nat

[late void]

'friends' - the comms you get in the incursion suggest she never particularly liked Nat, they just moved in the same circles

[glad spruce]

Yeah, it's been a while since I have listened to those comms from Youtube since I've yet to do the incursion.

[waxen sonnet]

And to top it off she also meets and knows Keener pre-outbreak, though she saw right through his fake charms and whitty remarks

[glad spruce]

Keener, the fuckboy

[waxen sonnet]

NGN cracked me up with that because Mackenzie so knew he was trouble and was pure "gtfo of here with you"

[glad spruce]

And plesse don't tell me we're gonna have another temper tantrum about retcons, "too much connections", and whatnot

[raw yew]

I found this shit so funny 🤣

Two comms roasting keener

[waxen sonnet]

Let alone Mack with the "Super secret Boy's club" realising Cal and Keener have matching (smart) watches at the same event

Gotta love Mackenzie, she seems to not take any crap and calls out people on one side, but is quite the humanitarian on the other with the charity events and Post-outbreak settlement on her estate on the other side

[glad spruce]

I guess that's why Nat wanted her dead. Can't have goody two-shoes trying to make things better /hj

[waxen sonnet]

Doesn't Nat Imply she doesnt want her dead though in Descent comms to Mr Flammey Hunter??

[glad spruce]

I was trying to make a joke. But I do recall Nat wanted Mack alive and in custody.

[next hemlock]

Ngn woke up and chose violence

[waxen sonnet]

He do be right though

[next hemlock]

True

[waxen sonnet]

"Enjoy the drinks, and the women are smarter than you" is a great burn to keener's ego too give the mans a walking Narcissist

[next hemlock]

I mean tbf he was an egotistical sociopath as well

[glad spruce]

^

[waxen sonnet]

Yep thats the one I just got it wrong, Egotistical was the word I was looking for

Ty for that Nykona, literally forgot the word

[next hemlock]

Np, my brain does that sometimes

[waxen sonnet]

But yeah, Merit saw right through that part of him

[next hemlock]

She did

[glad spruce]

I always get the impression that Keener hates it when people try to to outsmart him

I know the next target or so is gonna be your usual audio logs. but I do look forward to listening to them

It's unfortunate that Descent is too frustrating and requires weekly visits to get the logs.

[waxen sonnet]

Keener always feels better than the "competition", hence his love for quouting how he's "always once step ahead of you, agent" with spite in his tone

[stray crystal]

Keener is called a fuckboy in one of (if not several) comms iirc.

[waxen sonnet]

I wonder what lore reason some guns get added into the Division 2, the TKB-408 Especially considering its really quite old and never manfactured

Some make sense as Division R&D Purchasing and manafacturing them in there fornt companies for agents to have access too upon activation

[stray crystal]

That's thinking too much into it though like, it was most likely added due to no licensing needed.
"Lore reason" they found a case, some collector had one, CIA bought a ton of them - multiple stupid reasons

[glad spruce]

Yeah, if we were to put too much stock into lore affecting gameplay, we would've been dead after a couple of shots and never respawn 😛

[waxen sonnet]

Yeah, its why Im a fan of Thomas Parrott's work on the books, he makes injuries to the agents actually count for something

[stray crystal]

I mean, if you want that you should play Hardcore lol

[waxen sonnet]

Also, I wonder if some of the first wave we all assumed Keener killed actually were actually "missing in action" because they were infact activated as hunters? 🤔

[glad spruce]

We could all be hunters and we just don't know it 😲

[waxen sonnet]

I mean I know thats sarcasm but I think Cal's lost like 30+ hunters trying to kill us enough to not be true 😂

[next hemlock]

😂

[stray crystal]

We just have amnesia /s

[waxen sonnet]

Local Agent literally too Angry to die

[wicked gorge]

This some black ops numbers shit, imagine were a inactive hunter and a number broadcast plays and bam everyone is dead

[next hemlock]

Alpha legion type beat

[raw yew]

I have the impression that Nat has a crush on Mackenzie but that’s just me

Why else go through the trouble of Damsel in distress

😏

[next hemlock]

Who knows

[stray crystal]

We're the Winter Soldier of Tom Clancy

[wicked gorge]

Basically

Imagine our agent being more accurate “ sir we’ve sent 30 hunters to do recon and kill this agent” McManus” well is he dead”, “No he’s wearing a mask and shooting himself with riot foam”

[waxen sonnet]

"Did the Hunter get him"
"Uh no sir, And the Agents wearing his face now"

[wicked gorge]

“Hehe mask go ding”

[waxen sonnet]

"What do you mean this Agent's stealing Hockey masks from my men?" - McManus, Probably

[raw yew]

I just wanna know in what simulation did McManus witness the vindicator not get agents killed

[wicked gorge]

“Sir he’s wearing agent Johnson’s mask and shooting his dead body up”

[waxen sonnet]

"Sir we recovered the recruiters body, I hate to be the one to tell you but Agent Barsetto appears to have emptied every shotgun shell he had into Johnson and stole his cape"

[waxen sonnet]

Are you on about the quote on the guns card?

[raw yew]

Yes

[sudden mortar]

"Sir this agent killed Keener, Lau, Hornet, captured Schaeffer and killed agent Johnson. Are you going to do something about it?" Cal: nah, it's fine.

[waxen sonnet]

"How many more Hunters can we throw at this guy?"

[sudden mortar]

"a lot sir, but only two of your hunters are Canon."

[waxen sonnet]

Wait, only two are officially canon?

[sudden mortar]

Cal only talks about the one we took on Coney island, they never mentioned if there were like twenty or thirty hunters undercover in DC and NY.

[waxen sonnet]

Weird, didnt know that but thats strange

[wicked gorge]

“Really? Oh I should do something then…WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK IVE BEEN DAMN DOING”

[glad spruce]

Speaking of McManus, the Descent logs does show he has a short temper

[summer sluice]

Just had an idea: division and 28 days later crossover

[glad spruce]

No thanks

[radiant citrus]

Pretty sure we've already had a resident evil crossover, so wouldn't be all that different, and fact is you want zombies just play when reanimated is on lol

[astral sonnet]

So The Day Before then

[fast wharf]

Me in dz fr

The day a Hunter decides to team up with our agent it will be the end to black tusk

[wicked gorge]

We dont mention that game

[fast wharf]

We really don't.

[next hemlock]

I’m just imagining our agent hitting the griddy after killing a hunter

[summer sluice]

Except it doesn't shut down 3 days of launch, scamming investors out of millionw

[astral sonnet]

True that

[raw yew]

Is the woman who took kelso’s position in Haven downstairs Mackenzie Meret?

Where Kelso stood during WONY

[fast wharf]

Possibly

Also i've read the audio files of the 5 warlords and i feel bad for killing them

They literally saved some innocents

[stray crystal]

We talking about all 5 targets in WONY? Just because they did some good doesn't make up for Keener being a sociopath

[stray crystal]

She supposedly is, saw someone mention that subtitles revealed it was her but I don't have the CC subtitles enabled

[fast wharf]

We don't talk about the castle incident

[stray crystal]

That was the True Sons tho?

[waxen sonnet]

Castle Clinton I believe he means.

The release of the Eclipse in gas form against the JTF stationed there via a food crate

[stray crystal]

Ah - well it's not the only thing those guys did wrong so

[waxen sonnet]

Yeah I certainly 100% do not understand the Keener was right lot.

[fast wharf]

Keener's manipulation skills are scary

He manipulated theo to make that missile even tho he wanted to discover more about his father

I remember when i got a Mandela effect believing theo made a drone swarm on a tower to protect it

[stray crystal]

I'd guess we find out during this Manhunt what he was actually targeting with that missile, because outside of being an expert manipulator and sociopath, he was also highly intelligent, knowledgable and knew both McManus and Sokolova.

[waxen sonnet]

The manhuhnt makes his rogues seem far too Robin hood for my liking atm that is glossing over his uh, straight up war crimes

[fast wharf]

Yeah quite of that

Keener had the right to go rogue but not the right to commit war crimes not even the devil would want him

He unironically could Destroy 99,9 of the population present on earth with eclipse

[stray crystal]

That's not what I've been getting out of Vanguard thus far, not even with the background comms about Keener and gang.
My main interest is those damn Kelso notes though, I wanna fast forward time till we get all 4 urgh

[fast wharf]

The not safe note is scary tbh

It reveals the stalkers are also getting stalked (hunters know all comms)

And in the haven video you can see a hunter in the background

[waxen sonnet]

Let alone his glorified massacre of any first waves who dared to oppose him.

[fast wharf]

He's really scary with the IQ and manipulation skills

Now i wonder

How does the agency explains kelso and 16 million mute agents killed keener again and again 😭

[waxen sonnet]

I 100% get the feeling this manhunts just fueling the whole KWR lot

[fast wharf]

KWR = keener world record

[waxen sonnet]

Only world record that man has is probably fastest war criminal of the 2010s

[fast wharf]

Fr

[waxen sonnet]

The fact Keener's so popular with sections of this playerbase however is undenaibly excellent work from his voice actor and script writing that's made him this charming but brutal manipulator

[ashen jungle]

He's actually quite a good live-action actor, can recommend some of the stuff he's in.
special shout-out to the dozen or so episodes of Midsomer Murders the guy was in.

[waxen sonnet]

Oh really? I thought he purely did Voice work, that's neat, so if he's on Midsomer he does acting work in the UK?

[ashen jungle]

Aye, he was also in that weird Alice in Wonderland movie from the 2010's and other such.
mostly VA work 'far as I can tell though. John Hopkins is his name. (also he's Arnell in BG3)

[waxen sonnet]

Damn, I remember watching that movie as a kid, and now he's everyone's favourite unhinged Rogue agent. Thanks for the trivia Rivens!

[raw yew]

Looks like that woman is Mackenzie Meret via subtitles

Wasn’t getting them yesterday but only because I have the manhunt trigger mission she talks

[waxen sonnet]

Yeah I think either a audio log or the first cutscene actually says she can bunk in Kelso's room while Kelso's MIA

[ornate gull]

I been thinking

Can Division Agent requested to be flagged as Rogue but remain loyal to SHD and still taken up their task to restore order. I call these Agent is Neutral Rogue that hostile to Rogue Agent that disavow the SHD and will kill Division Agent if they provoked Neutral Rogue Agent. Their reason for requested to Neutral Rogue Agent might be want to be Hunted by Hunter so they can Hunt back the Hunter, taking the slain Hunter Crash Axe as trophy as well decapitated the Hunter's head as to asserting and show Neutral Rogue Dominance against the Hunter and send the message "Bring more or become my next trophy Mask in my display shelves"
Neutral Rogue can be identified by half Orange-Red ring on their Smart Watch

[ashen jungle]

Once you are flagged as Rogue, you are officially a traitor and you basically have the life expectancy of a mayfly.

[ornate gull]

But i do say requested to be flag but remain loyal to SHD

[ashen jungle]

so to clarify: there is no "requesting to be rogue". You commit treason by going off mission, you are an enemy of the state.

Even if somehow this would work, I don't think "i want to become a serial killer who mutilates corpses" is a valid reason.

[ornate gull]

Serial Killer but on those wolves that hunt your college

[late void]

still a tad disturbed, though

[ornate gull]

Hunter are sign up for it

[ashen jungle]

You should go talk to someone.

[ornate gull]

Beside.... Hunter like to collect Watch for trophy. I like collect their head along with their Mask as trophy

[ashen jungle]

I'm going to say this as nicely as I can.
Don't bring this stuff up again.

[sick lantern]

"rogue" and "remain loyal" are antonymous good fellow

[wicked gorge]

I still believe some rogues can reinstate into the division

[ashen jungle]

Maybe with a post-mortem pardon.

[stoic ridge]

||My theory is that Kelso is being hunted by Mantis. During our encounter with Agent Johnson he had a lot of points against Kelso. Out of all the agents we work with she was who he focused on the most. ||

[sick lantern]

Mantis is dead

[sick lantern]

and she has been for some time lol

[glad spruce]

Well, I got the latest weekly Descent audio log (I gotta remind myself not to get too complacent when playing the mode)

||It doesn't reveal much, but it does show that Natalya doesn't like ANNA and wanted nothing to do with it.||

[high island]

I really Hope that Kelso Wont become rogue

I heard that this might happen

[glad spruce]

Then you must have heard it from people pulling it out of their asses

So far, there hasn't been any strong hints that Kelso is Rogue

[glad spruce]

Also, it feels like there's been a lot of hints ANNA will play a larger role in the stories to come.

[high island]

Yea, i dont think that Manny would take It so Easy if this happen 😂😂

[surreal hearth]

Our boy Manny’s been shattered, and filled with paranoia in his head

Can’t even trust the division, much, but a handful of us remain in the fight

[high island]

Talking about the story, do we know if they Will put an end or It Will be infinite?

[surreal hearth]

There are several possible hiding spot that Kelso may end up in the end

[glad spruce]

I literally have no idea. All we know is that there's one more season for Year 5 and we have the Brooklyn DLC coming next year.

Considering the talks about the settlements that Keener and his gang helped establish, I wouldn't be surprised if the Brooklyn DLC would involve civilian settlements that believe Keener is a hero and would take hostility against Division agents.

[surreal hearth]

But I believe she may end up in liberty island or in the underground tunnels

[glad spruce]

If we really gonna put an end to Sokolova and McManus in Div 2, then I really wonder what Div 3's narrative is gonna be about.

[high island]

That would be super cool

[high island]

Are they planning a third chapter ?

[glad spruce]

The Division 3 was announced last year. Though it'll be a while till we get gameplay previews.

[high island]

Well i missed It

[glad spruce]

I don't blame you, it was announced in a blog and its long ways off.

Especially when Massive was busy with making Avatar Frontiers of Pandora and Star Wars Outlaws

Can it be next Tuesday, please?

[stray crystal]

I gotchu, calling Yannick now

[glad spruce]

Thanks, commander

[glad spruce]

Probably just me, but I think Alexander Ortiz is voiced by ISAC's VA

[sudden mortar]

If I'm not wrong Isac has two different voices

I mean, there is the normal voice, but when you enter in the division 1 dark zone, you hear Isac with a different voice

[mint citrus]

It's the same guy in both, iirc. The VA's name is Brandon Keener and he's also voiced Garrus

[sick lantern]

there is literally a comm of him recording audio for ISAC

[waxen sonnet]

I think it was the same voice, Just edited to sound more disrupted due to the dark zone

[wicked gorge]

Thinking about it, isn’t it kind of stupid that most in the division didn’t know about McManus since he’s secretary of homeland security

[sudden mortar]

Yeah, it's weird that Vivian, Faye, Keener, everybody at the SHD know him except for our agent.

[waxen sonnet]

Bit of a misinterpretation because I think every Agent knew Cal headed up DHS (As in anyone could have googled it like Irl) but what they did not know was he was working with Sokolova and created the Hunter program from fellow agents

Like Faye knows Cals head of the DHS but until Schafer had no idea he was working with BT ("She cant mean Mcmanus? Only the fucking head of homeland security") quote springs to mind

[sudden mortar]

And it is weird that we didn't know that Cal was secretly planning something again Nat. I mean, shouldn't we know about that? The directive 51 says the division answers directly to the president, but they're all dead, so isn't the secretary of the HS supposed to tell us like: hey agents, the president is dead, and I say we work with black tusk now.

[waxen sonnet]

Are we really surprised the same man who has Agents imbeded to kill other agents lies to us? 😂 Cal always thinks he's better than he is though so he's probably thinking he's got his watch and the Hunter's, Nat finds him useful so he has her powerful backing etc

[wicked gorge]

This is my take on it, but all I can think about with undercover hunters is that spiderman meme where they’re pointing back and forth at each other and accusing each other

[frail pond]

Depends on who's next in the chain of succession. Between Ellis and McManus is literally everyone else in the line

[raw yew]

It’s been hinted everyone before and after Ellis is unalived

Poor Mendez didn’t even get a shot and it begs the question as to if Waller had a natural cardiac arrest

Also very convenient Amherst died to green poison … but this is very bad speculation

[frail pond]

What is this, a Rube Goldberg-grade scheme to get McManus as the president with Nat and her henchmen as the new world order's army?

[sick lantern]

he died in his own lab
and iirc said literally “if i die i die”
so im gonna say his death was not suspicious lol

[waxen sonnet]

All the agents upon finding out the Hunters are other agents are literally that meme

[waxen sonnet]

Something like that, But I think if we don't kill him, Nat will get rid of McManus when his use is up

[wicked gorge]

It’s you!, NO ITS YOU!

[raw yew]

Oh no the game said it, that’s not convenient at all

Chase down bad man for 3 missions only to find him dead and Keener is new bad man with new virus

TChernenko always being a captive is also just funny

[raw yew]

Thats exactly the plot, the black tusk are the real division to McManus

We are bad division because we marked Ellis as a traitor and when Faye Lau killed him black tusk blamed the division nation wide

Then immediately after acquired the True Sons and with Natalya’s new propaganda broadcasts say that true sons are the good JTF and it was only cause of Ridgeway they went astray, and that the Division was part of the cause blah blah blah we didn’t follow Ellis and we are bad

[waxen sonnet]

McManus Is just pissed the Division agents (minus hunters) aren't blindly loyal to him as apposed to Sokolova and her troops

[raw yew]

Eh I doubt that’s the case given until 3 seasons ago pretty much no one knew his relevance to SHD

That includes us

[waxen sonnet]

Yeah but that plays into his personality traits, he wants to feel powerful, but really Isnt compared to Nat

[sudden mortar]

unless if he is able to turn black tusk tech against them since he has control over Diamond (the black tusk AI that control the drones, warhounds and any electronic unit). like on stovepipe manhunt where we see all the BT corpses and basically there are no human enemies on that mission. (I think the black tusk chopper pilot doesn't count lol.)

[waxen sonnet]

He is the only man with a watch able to access all 3 iirc so I have a feeling we're gonna have to get to him to create the counter to the SHD countermeasures, Or thats something Kelso is working on in the next few weeks

[sudden mortar]

i think would be easier to just use ANNA for the SHD skills and tools just like the rogue agents, ISAC is dumb anyways right?

[waxen sonnet]

DONT TOUCH MY GARBAGE MEME

You leave ISAC Outta this.

Sensibly IIRC Once we have this counter to the countermeasure, ISAC will be invulnerable to it so hypothetically we could turn it back on BTSU and Rogues

[sudden mortar]

we don't even know if this "counter to the countermeasure" will be a thing. who knows? maybe BT just destroyed ISAC main servers and all we have is the mobile SHD server after all.

[waxen sonnet]

Dont entirely think so, the JTC One seems to still be up? At least of two of three big SHD servers at the hubs are still up etc

But I think what Kelso is teasing with these notes is going to go a big way to dealing with the electronic warfare against SHD systems

[waxen sonnet]

Went and found it, what I mean by Kelso is in that second notes she leaves, the part quote "Cassandra was right, there's more here and the hunters and the black tusk, well, they may have the tech but we can take it away from them, we just need a key"

[stray crystal]

I understood the key as like hoe Theo found ANNA in the files and activated it - we need to find the backdoor into all three systems, as it exists on the Smartwatches - we just need to know where to look (Descent comms)

[lapis willow]

Random question, is there anyway to change the look of exotic equipment via a glitch or anything?

[late void]

Certain appearance mods (mostly backpacks) will overwrite the appearance of all your gear in that slot including exotics iirc.

From what I remember it was only ones from a few apparel events a couple of seasons ago though so if you didn't get them at the time you might not be able to now

[lapis willow]

Thanks for the info

[waxen sonnet]

ANNA was hidden in the core base of the system and Parnell found and activated it yeah iirc, McManus has a smart watch capable of connecting or accessing the three networks I believe so that could be the backdoor we need

[shut barn]

Backdoor acessing,is hacked by threat in ISAC,ANNA,DIAMOND servers to acess to the better technology and activate it,

[waxen sonnet]

Im sorry I don't follow, would you mind rephrasing it for me?

[shut barn]

I only make,speculation and explain.

[waxen sonnet]

Ah okay

[gaunt ice]

you do realize that the corpse in the hazmat suit is Amherst right

[raw yew]

Not really that wasn’t obvious

[sick lantern]

i’m pretty sure the ECHO captions it as him

[summer sluice]

i still think its a very interesting trope to have Amherst expose himself to his creation, to take his own genetic gamble, you always see movies with bio terrorists always doing it for themselves in some way, but no, he had genuine belief in what he did and was willing to test himself

[wicked gorge]

I still think he injected himself with the virus and accepted it

[glad spruce]

I still think he was supported by McManus and Sokolova . If not, they used his ambitions to pave the way to their new world order

[wicked gorge]

Probably cause of the broken dawn novel

[sick lantern]

@glad spruce

[glad spruce]

Yeah, the Descent comms pretty much confirmed that as well

[waxen sonnet]

Read the New York Survival guide, its well known people who knew Amherst was up to something where to scared to raise concerns, Kellher's husband being assasinated in broad daylight outside his work goes to show that was very true fears

"Warren merchant" knew it was coming, Knew people were either helping it happen or actively helping it happen at the very least by targetting potential people who could counter the Green poision, hell he even knew how it'd be transmitted and the existence of the SHD

[ornate gull]

Question
Do SHD Tech like SmartWatch require Agent ID in order to function or they can be hacked and used by anyone?

What happen to all SmartWatch that Hunter collected if they KIA?

[sudden mortar]

Probably both, when we took Keener's watch, ANNA Identified us as a new user (I'm gonna assume that ISAC also have this ID lock feature) and ISAC managed to hack it so we could use it.

[waxen sonnet]

Hunters seem to not use them from Dead agents (They have there own watch anyway), Hunters more use watches as simply Trophies to show there kills, we've seen them hand over watches to the BTSU For some sort of use in cyberwarfare against ISAC in a brief clip from the last few seasons trailer.

There's something about hacking a Smartwatch in the Hunted Book recently but without hunting through my Ebook of it I cant recall, but (spoilers ahead) ||it regards Maira repairing and reactivating an ISAC Watch stolen from a Hunter's chest piece and reactivating it afterwards||

[ornate gull]

I think this one not really answer my second question

I mean if Hunter is KIA

Not what they gonna do with SmartWatch

Like in Event of Survival from Agent PoV. Agent kill Hunter but they little time left of their Septic Infection Life Expectancy and Extract Helicopter already landed. The Agent leave without take back all stolen Watch and return to BOO for treatment

[waxen sonnet]

Ok so you're asking do Agents take back watches after they kill hunters?

[ornate gull]

Either Agent reclaim them back or dire situations force Agent to leave without reclaim them

Like lesser Hostiles Faction like Rioter/Cleaner/True Son/Riker/... come across Dead Hunter body that still have the Watch

[waxen sonnet]

I wouldn't know, never really ever been seen or mentioned, I presume an agent would take back any SHD tech, when we kill Hunter agents like Jack Bonney we've taken his watch for Intel

[glad spruce]

So what's the verdict on Operation Compromised novel trilogy? I'm aware that due to the nature of the medium, Division agents don't engage combat like we do in the games.

[wicked gorge]

SHD tech is somehow the most badass yet confusing skills I’ve seen in gaming, it’s actually interesting how the tech is used and made, but can confusing how people can use it, ik they can claim watches but you’d think they would have a kill switch for Kia agents

[ornate gull]

The most confuse is, how many Drone/Turret/Hive Agent can carry around

Come think of it, Why ubisoft not make limited amount of Deploy SHD tech player can carry compare to lighter SHD tech like Seeker Miner/First Aid/Sticky Mine/Smart Cover

[sick lantern]

cus that’s just not how the game works. at that point just get rid of skill power/tiers completely because it doesn’t exist in universe

[waxen sonnet]

I prefer it, It makes Agents seem more grounded to reality, that sure they're borderline special forces but not invulnerable, Injuries are meaningful, Ammo is not resupplied on every street corner and SHD Tech is in limited supply, But,at the same time I also like how they go into explaining practically the way the tech works and the Hubs and operational workings of cells etc.

I also like the fact with Specialization gear being not carried around all the time, being stored in equipment bunkers until needed, rather than having agents carry say a big rocket launcher or mini gun with it's ammo

[wicked gorge]

I think in the lord they don’t get destroyed as much, just needing to be recharged constantly

[glad spruce]

Good to know, cuz I'm interested in reading them books.

[waxen sonnet]

I love the books, the best out of game Media for the Division imo

[wicked gorge]

Division s tier

[glad spruce]

Tomorrow, we investigate Financial District.

Say, Kelso, what bread crumbs are you leaving us for the occasion?

[stray crystal]

I think it's rye bread this time

[glad spruce]

I'm more of a white bread guy, but I'll take it

[wicked gorge]

Probably sourdough, doesn’t hurt to have a little kick

[raw yew]

It’s nyc

Bagel with cream cheese or bacon egg n cheese

[mint citrus]

Could also be a chopped cheese

[sudden mortar]

I just completed the new target.
||I'm starting to think that reviver hives aren't canon in this game lol||

[ashen jungle]

Interesting new bits of lore, also I guess we know who Casandra is now for sure.

[stray crystal]

This message, right there, is enough for me to close Wonderlands and boot up TD2 just for the new bit of lore, hell yeah - thanks Rivens!

[ashen jungle]

I mean it's not like the whole story or anything, don't expect a Shamalyan twist.

[stray crystal]

Nah nah, but. I've been pondering about Cassandra for quite a while, now I wanna find out what the new lore tid-bit is ^^

[tulip shale]

She can't be ||dead, she's shocked and it's a cliffhanger||
If she is, well

[sudden mortar]

I know, but nobody has a reviver hive in this game, if she had one, she would take the shock and reanimate herself up.

[waxen sonnet]

She got that weak hazard protection build %

[waxen sonnet]

|| It's Faye Lau back from the dead||

[sudden mortar]

Hornet: first time?

[waxen sonnet]

Ok but excuse me for being thick as ** but Cassandra is ||??||

Like unironically I thought it was ||Faye being refrenced||

[sudden mortar]

||she is Faye Lau, but I doubt she's gonna come back to life, because it's not the first time this happened||
Like that rogue "Hornet" we took out in the div1 and came back in the div2 just because his heart stopped and Keener used a defibrillator to bring him back.

[waxen sonnet]

Yeah no I was just trying to dawn on me who Cassandra is but glad I was on the same page, The other woman talking to Keener is that ||Bridget Douglas?|| Because I think it was and forgot she was dead already from the legacy's

[sudden mortar]

She is dead iirc she's like ||Faye||'s crush or something like that.

[waxen sonnet]

Love interest or something like that iirc, But shes the one speaking with keener?

[sudden mortar]

Yes, her codename is Viper

[waxen sonnet]

Genuinley forgot she was dead and thought she was Cassandra till I figured they were regarding ||faye||

[sudden mortar]

There's a tip: most of the time, all the characters you hear on the comms are probably dead already lol.

[waxen sonnet]

Camera pans around to your agent as you talk about how they're dead

[stray crystal]

||The key has to be Aaron's watch, right? I do wonder who the one following Kelso is - from the second note. Third note is however confusing to me, we have to find Kelso - but then we see her getting shocked in the footage? Maybe it's one of those occassions where she's knocked out, wakes up later and continues on shrug. Canonically, who's got Aaron's watch though? Do we, the agent?||

[waxen sonnet]

||I thought it might be Mcmanus's watch, but honestly not sure, We already have Keeners watch from the battle of Liberty Island||

[stray crystal]

||I was just pondering what watch Kelso has ANNA running on. And then consequently what watch we use for SHD levels (if that's canon even). I just wonder what the key is, if we have it. We don't have McManus' watch. Faye's maybe? Otherwise it'd say Keener's from Liberty - since we acquire that as we kill him.||

[waxen sonnet]

||You know you might be right on Faye's watch, that could be the Two factor Authentication we need to access whatever SHD Crate Just fried dear Kelso to a crispy nap time, especially as it seems Faye is Cassandra||

[stray crystal]

||Yeah, that was what I was thinking. Either her watch (assuming we took it after downing her, but it's unclear. The encrypted comms was from a laptop) or Keener's (if Kelso is using something else to run ANNA and we - the agent - has his watch canonically and not just for gameplay)||

[waxen sonnet]

||That or we're digging Lau back up 👀 ||

[stray crystal]

||According to the comm "Code Name" from this week, Cassandra must be the actual "code name for their clandestine mission". What sets my mind off in that comm is Keener saying: "If the only thing I have to give up is two-factor authentication to activate the Network, that is a sacrifice I am more than willing to make."||

[sudden mortar]

||I'm gonna guess that we still need to "fully" activate ANNA at this point, since the rogue Network is already working. Remember when the network went down at the start of the game and we had to fully activate ISAC in the Jefferson trade center (he was active but not "fully" active, know what I mean?) and then we had to reactivate the network in the federal emergency bunker and in the Space administration HQ||

[waxen sonnet]

Ohhhhh you know what this is why ||Faye went rogue at that exact moment, Keener activated the network but Faye had to at the same time to make it truly activate||

[waxen sonnet]

ANNA seems to be on that Mobile SHD network Johnson tried to steal from the last manhunt iirc due to the new Decent comms, makes sense .

[stray crystal]

||Fuck me, you guys are right - maybe Kelso is running with Faye's watch and we have Keener's - both need to be there to unlock the chest. Hmmm||

[sudden mortar]

Don't know about you guys but when ||Kelso got knocked out by the shock, I was thinking: bro, imagine you take a lethal shock because you forgot to verify the two-factor authentication in your Google account or whatever lol.||

[waxen sonnet]

You know between me, You ( @sudden mortar ), @ashen jungle and ( @stray crystal I feel like we've actually somewhat figured how this manhunts gonna go out now

[waxen sonnet]

Technically however is it keeners watch, I thought we Just hacked into his to make use of his system but for our own, like we still use ISAC and we're still marked SHD

[sudden mortar]

||I'm gonna guess that either BT or some rogue agents took Kelso to liberty island and we need to rescue her. If you notice that the manhunt has the pattern of WONY.||

[waxen sonnet]

"I see the Division really went out of its way to send its tired at it's poor, Again"

[stray crystal]

We all queue up to 1v1 Yannick as reanimated Keener /s

[sudden mortar]

I'm not surprised at this point, for example, we have been in white oak FOUR times, when we were about to get the president, BT were there, when the place got invaded, BT were there, and again on Faye Manhunt and again on Recruiter manhunt.

[waxen sonnet]

I get the feeling now they use the Manhunt mechanics but the same map they're struggiling to change how the manhunt system works enough to make it feel more fresh.

[glad spruce]

Sounds like we're getting into an interesting development with the Manhunt.

And ngl, I wouldn't mind if the Manhunt mission takes place on Liberty Island.

[stray crystal]

||@tight jacinth Faye is Cassandra, not Kelso.||

[tight jacinth]

||omg so aaron wasnt even speaking to kelso in the echo||

I am so dumb hahaha

[stray crystal]

Don't worry, I thought so at first till I connected the dots

[waxen sonnet]

I mean I thought at first it was Bridget Douglas forgetting she was dead so yeah Phil you're not the only one 😂 then figured it out

[ashen jungle]

Actually there's also another thingy that got unlocked with this branch of the Manhunt that mentions Cassandra's identity.

so the confirmation is double-dipped and not just weird phrasing.

[waxen sonnet]

Was a lot clearer too with Captions on, I just repeated the ECHO Cutscene with Captions and it's clear as day

[glad spruce]

||Okay, now shit just gets real with this Manhunt. But seriously, I hope Kelso is okay.||

I can tell NGN is gonna have a fun time with this bread crumb of lore we've just got

[stray crystal]

Let's hope she doesn't have a pacemaker

[glad spruce]

Last thing we need is a Hunter with the ability to shut it down lol

[stray crystal]

I mean, more because of what happened

[glad spruce]

Yeah, true that

I'll be honest, it'll be a bit of a missed opportunity if the final mission doesn't take place on Liberty Island

I've listened to the latest Descent comm on Youtube.

||And not gonna lie, the mental image of a walking two-legged Warhound feels cursed||

[tight jacinth]

waiting 4 weeks for the next piece will be hard ngl

[glad spruce]

Same. I'm already anticipating how the Manhunt mission will play out

[surreal hearth]

Hold up a minute I’ve been hearing some comms

Keener never had control over his original squad

I sent some mutiny or a certain infighting going on and they talk about Faye as his ally

[glad spruce]

||There's also a found footage cutscene that you can see at end of Financial District target||

[surreal hearth]

I’ll look into that as soon as possible

[waxen sonnet]

Not just walking God damn T Posing as they do it

[surreal hearth]

||What the hell did I just saw back there?! Did keener made another contingency??||

||And keener knew about the hunters and what the hell did that tech is doing to kelso?||

[stray crystal]

@surreal hearth We're trying to use spoiler tags as this is RECENT

[surreal hearth]

Oh whoops

[stray crystal]

All good ^^ There's no rule or anything, we're just being nice since it's new lore :3

[glad spruce]

My current question rn is ||Was Keener aware of Black Tusk and the Hunter program this whole time? And why Keener trusted Faye for his contigency instead of Kelso?||

But I guess we'll have to know more 4 weeks from now

[stray crystal]

||Most likely - he had deep/powerful connections and was acquainted with both McManus and Sokolova (Descent Comms). Regarding Faye over Kelso, that's touched a bit in the comms revealed this week||

[glad spruce]

||Yeah, its because Kelso was CIA, right?||

[wicked gorge]

Since keener knew of McManus and Nat before the outbreak, it’s probably safe to assume Keener knew of the bt and the hunters before the outbreak

[glad spruce]

Kinda wish the catch-up comms thingy for Descent ain't stingy cuz I got like 14 atm. And we're currently on 40 as we speak.

[wicked gorge]

I took a break from the game and now have 5/40

Ngl im kinda surprised we got a echo for the 3rd target

[glad spruce]

I was expecting just some small breadcrumbs till the finale, but the fact we got a big revelation for the third target is really neat.

[stray crystal]

Yannick was like "Hold my beer" (apparently year 6 and onwards is gonna be wild, he hinted that at the end of the 5 year anniversary vid)

[glad spruce]

I really enjoyed Y5S2 and I'm enjoying Y5S3 so far, narrative wise. So if true, I'm really gonna love Year 6.

[wicked gorge]

Yeah Ubisoft stepped up there game

Also are we getting rerun seasons or more seasons after this season, ik the dlc was supposed to come out after this, but after the pushback

[stray crystal]

Give credit where it's due - Massive Entertainment stepped up their game, Ubisoft is just a publisher
*reruns only happened because the game was put on life support

[tight jacinth]

why should we get re runs?

Don’t think that was ever the plan to do

[wicked gorge]

Cause since the black diamond dlc was scheduled to release after the vanguard season, I haven’t been paying attention to the news and stuff so I didn’t know if we were getting new seasons before the dlc or they were gonna rerun old seasons to fill the gap

[glad spruce]

Thank goodness Massive decided to continue supporting Division 2, then

[wicked gorge]

The power of a fan base and a studio that actually listens, but most likely they saw ways to milk the series

[glad spruce]

This reminds me...

||Is the ECHO that Kelso found discoverable? Cuz it gotta be something we could look at||

[wicked gorge]

Probably not, if I had to guess even if we found the building, we’re probably unable to enter

[shut raft]

||So is Kelso just outright cooked? I'm like half expecting her to actually just die this Manhunt||

||Also a crackhead theory but what if Sokolova is somehow able to turn Kelso into a Hunter? Or at least a Hunter-human hybrid?||

[modest hearth]

I may found that building: Somewhere next to Settlement
(66 Gold St in real life)
No sure that building is some sort of a building template or unique
We can't enter that building (maybe we can after the next update?)

[wicked gorge]

Finding the building in real life is crazy, but it’ll probably be accessible after the manhunt or we’ll go to it to activate the two factor authentication since we have keeners watch

[glad spruce]

You do the censor by putting || on each side of your post

[surreal hearth]

I sense that there’s gonna be two outcomes of this manhunt once we reach the final target

The first outcome is that kelso was set up into a rogue trap and the rogue’s are most likely using her as bait to get to us

Second outcome is that she maybe held at the stock exchange where manhunt mission will take place and we are being lured by ANNA

She either want to talk with the division or kills us all

[tight jacinth]

Nothing is 100% sure but I don’t think Kelso will turn against the agents (join nat or the hunters) and I don’t think she will die. Who would be left then? Only nat and McManus. From our side? We would be the only one (to fight). And Keener is praising her in comms… she must be really really good even though it doesn’t seem like it when she does nothing while we do everything 😂 but all in all, it would be quite dumb to let her die now imo

[wicked gorge]

Thx mate

[waxen sonnet]

After Faye's betrayal to the division, Nearly being killed by the BTSU chasing Keener and numerous other incidents I don't see her being a traitor in the future, She's quick to temper and gung-ho but after all the shit shes still been to loyal to the division as our own agents

[tight jacinth]

Exactly

She is loyal

[sick lantern]

well he did have to end up killing two of them so. or do you mean the WoNY mfs

[tight jacinth]

And if they decide to kill her I would be so disappointed because you literally need to keep her alive after you killed so many main characters…

[waxen sonnet]

Let's be honest, does Keener have many of his rogues left, anyone in the current Comms he's discussing Cassandra with are all dead now

[waxen sonnet]

I don't think they'll kill her for sure, she as an Agent alone is one of the most combat capable so would need a hell of a ratio for her to loose a fight

[tight jacinth]

It was a trap from natalya that’s why she got shocked now they get her and they wait till we are there and then nat is in front of us with 10 hunters and she gonna shoot kelso in the head and we give up, then division 2 is over and we get an ending screen

100%

[waxen sonnet]

"Truth is, game was rigged from the start" - Massive Entertainment presents The Division 3, New Vegas

[tight jacinth]

😂😂

[shut barn]

Is possible this.

[wicked gorge]

I would not be surprised if we saw the legion

[glad spruce]

Can we skip to April 30th pls?

If nothing else, I'll at least get busy getting Descent comms for the next 4 weeks

[cold bramble]

hey can someone give me a quick tldr with the latest on the manhunt please?

[glad spruce]

||We learned that Keener made a contingency plan against the Hunters using Cassandra as the key, Cassandra's identity is Faye, we got a found footage of Kelso finding Keener's ECHO that was meant for Faye, including the crate that possibly have a contingency against the Hunters. However, Kelso got shocked and knocked out when she used Faye's watch as the key.||

If anyone else wanna correct me, feel free to

[glad spruce]

Oh, and the latest Descent comm we got this week.

||The Ortiz couple and Natalya Sokolova discuss the practicality of Warhounds running in two legs.||

[wicked gorge]

That would be funny yet terrifying at the same time

[gaunt ice]

||Warhounds more like Wardudes||

[tight jacinth]

Is there a good video which explains the differences between ISAC, ANNA etc?

[glad spruce]

Not sure, but I'll give it my shot.

The difference is that ISAC thinks in binary and has rather didactic morality. Basically, less advanced than his sister.

Meanwhile ANNA assesses a situation in more nuanced ways and makes recommendations on how to execute the problem.

[waxen sonnet]

ANNA was due to be the AI Given to the SHD, but proved unpopular due to its personality and chatter when field tested in trials by Agents, ISAC is a "dummed" down version of ANNA with a more basic monotone voice that broadcasts only essential information and a more stringent set of rights and wrongs and DIAMOND Is the BTSU's version of the system purpose made for BTSU but like ANNA/ISAC handles the Comms and Skills

[tight jacinth]

Yea but did they get created by the same person? Why were they created and why didn’t they just create a better isac?

ty guys

[tight jacinth]

And Keener used ANNA?

[waxen sonnet]

All three systems were built by Claire and Alexander Ortiz of Ortiz Robotics, ANNA Came first but Agents disliked her so they quickly made ISAC as a fallback system on the hurry, and DIAMOND was BTSU's AI paid for directly by Sokolova.

[waxen sonnet]

Keener uses ANNA only after Theo Parnell finds ANNA hiding Dormant and reactivates it as the Rogue Network

[tight jacinth]

Ahh ty

Never understood the differences

[waxen sonnet]

I would recommend our lord and saviour NGN's video covering the descent comms about them, the new Descent comms really help clear it up and either NGN or Rogue agent's descent comms in general help keep you up to date on lore

https://youtu.be/F5IlKyXZTFY?si=TtCavKYroMxAeOcg

[tight jacinth]

ok I will look into it later

[glad spruce]

I wonder if they'll add more Descent comms in the next season.

But honestly, I just hope for a more consistent catch-up mechanic for the collectibles

[waxen sonnet]

If I dont get them, I just watch Rogue Agent on Youtube as he posts literally the audio logs without any intro or fuss etc

[glad spruce]

I'm a goal oriented person and my autistic brain can't handle seeing the Descent comms unfinished lol

[waxen sonnet]

I hate that gamemode so I never got even 1 😂

[tight jacinth]

Same 😂

Played one round that’s it

[glad spruce]

I have experience with roguelikes, so I had no problem with Descent

[cold bramble]

So what happened when we took keeners watch for division points? Did ISAC take over ANNAS systems?

The four sub categories that required us to individually unlock through activities and stuff* (please tag because I might not see responses otherwise)

[tulip shale]

Iirc the goal was 104 comms

[glad spruce]

That's quite a lot of comms for a game mode lol

[wicked gorge]

Idk about y’all but for any walking dead fans, does anyone else see the Black Tusk being similar to the CRM?

[glad spruce]

CRM?

[wicked gorge]

Civic Republic Military

You got to watch two spin offs to fully understand them

[ashen jungle]

That sounds more like the True Sons to me, BT are more akin to a PMC.

unless the name CRM is misleading.

[wicked gorge]

How is it misleading? Not trying to sound aggressive just curious

[ashen jungle]

Like, CRM sounds like it's a bunch of weekend warriors playing military, not a PMC.

[wicked gorge]

No in their shows they’re actually a massive military force, even tho the writers basically made them seem like idiots

[ashen jungle]

Yeah the size of the force doesn't really matter, a PMC is a specific thing.

[wicked gorge]

At this point the amount of black tusk we’ve killed is the size of a military force instead of a pmc

You are right about them aligning with the true sons a bit more

[ashen jungle]

PMC's are quite large, real ones that is.

although having seen a big chunk of TWD, I would believe that the writers may not know this.

[wicked gorge]

They match the true sons by defying orders and turning against the us military, but match the black tusk with being a advance military force in a apocalypse, having massive access to aerial and ground vehicles, the use of chemical weapons, and being very organized

[ashen jungle]

Actually the True Sons were never a military force.

[wicked gorge]

I kinda forgot the Black Tusk was just a PMC

Technically some were

[ashen jungle]

some of them have partial military training, but most are just kinda from the JTF, which by the time the Green Poison was in full swing was mostly made up of civil servants, the actual national guard members were mostly dead.

somewhat fittingly, the faction with the most military training is actually SHD.

[wicked gorge]

I thought a good amount of shd agents didn’t have military training

[ashen jungle]

Well not like, having been in there, but they were taught the things they'd need.

[wicked gorge]

Ah gotcha

I still don’t believe the Black Tusk is just a PMC

[ashen jungle]

You should look up some IRL PMC's, they're a weird case.

the symbol BT uses is actually almost lifted from a real one.

IIRC some video-game company did a documentary on PMC's a few years back. one of the COD's I think.

[wicked gorge]

Just it’s surprising they’re branded as a pmc, yet able to establish bases with ease

[ashen jungle]

PMC isn't an insult or something you're branded with., it's a real thing that exists in the world today.
Yeah there we go, Vice+Activision, "superpower for hire".

They're basically a bunch of mercenaries paid by a boss who is contracted to work for a country's military.

e.g. the US might hire them to go take a base or something.

they're actually an excellent villain to use in fiction as well, since the IRL ones are...dodgy at best.

kinda "war crime-y"

[wicked gorge]

Haven’t Black Tusk committed war crime?

I dont remember but I think they have

[ashen jungle]

Oh 100%, and also treason by "paying" for the assassination of a sitting POTUS

[wicked gorge]

That’s another similar thing the black tusk and CRM have in common

Wait aren’t Black Tusk being paid to take over the US

[ashen jungle]

TWD seems to have combined a civil military force and a PMC into one, which is a bit weird but sure why not.
not like the writing can get any weirder after they added a tiger.

[ashen jungle]

Nah, the founder and CEO (Nat Sokolova) is the one directing them.

and yes, her family owns the Sokolov SMG brand ingame.

[wicked gorge]

Yeah I know all that but forget if they were being paid to, cause that would have been a headache

[wicked gorge]

More complicated basically a city of 200,00+ survivors where one side is ran by the CR which is the government side that wants to help ppl, while the CRM has its own power and split between infantry which is 90% of the army and the front liners which is the 10% that are basically their special forces and committed genocide

They’re basically the Pennsylvania national guard reform after the apocalypse

[ashen jungle]

Yeah I'm going to stick with weird lol.

It sounds like they're reaching pretty hard for new ideas, with that many people you'd think that zombies wouldn't be a problem anymore.

ah well, more div2 related: i hope that BT are sorted out before div3 starts.

[wicked gorge]

It gets into spoiler territory for the Towl final but basically there’s massive hordes up to a million roaming and the CRM predicted humanities downfall in 14 years

I really feel like in the division 3 we’re gonna get another secret military group that’s more secret than the Black Tusk

If they make a div 3 then either the main bad guys are the Black Tusk or we get all these new factions then another paramilitary pops up

[ashen jungle]

3 games in a row with a PMC main villain seems a bit much.

[wicked gorge]

Well its Ubisoft so i wouldn’t put it past them

First game was LMB with some black tusk tie ins, second game Black Tusk, and the 3rd game is probably gonna be about the remnants of the black tusk after their downfall

[ashen jungle]

As long as the world design is strong I'll still play it.

[wicked gorge]

Tbf we would still buy the game even if they’re was another paramilitary

Im hoping next game takes place in Atlanta

[ashen jungle]

As long as it's a big city that lends well to exploring, I'll be happy.

[sick lantern]

ex military personnel were the number 1 group scouted for SHD recruitment

i think black tusk saying “div=civvies!” gets a lot of people mixed up on this

shd agents without military background do exist but are the exception not the rule
and even then the only two i can think of were cops/SWAT soo

[fierce willow]

new manhunt bout to be like "erm actually alani kelso is cassandra all along haha le troled by natalya sokolova yet again"

[waxen sonnet]

-"While not all candidates have actual combat experience,every Agent must exhibit the aptitude to train and prepare for the worst case imaginable"

"The Division is granted priority access to a vast reservoir of restricted data on citizens collected by the United States intelligence community. This access lets Division recruiters identify a large pool of prospective agents with suitable backgrounds for service, Candidates are drawn from all aspects of society and are not limited to a specific skill set or profession"

-The world Of Tom Clancy's the Division Chapter 2 & 4

[sick lantern]

fair nuff

guess i forgot that bit

one would think for the top secret super special agents you wouldn't want people who you have to teach "how to shot gun 101" to

[waxen sonnet]

Not entirely, regardless of your knowledge of firearms there's always weapons you've never encountered or new tactics to learn, besides the fact not every solution is the barell of a gun, especially with SHD Missions

Operation Countdown for example would need at least several agents with backgrounds in Cyber and power based engineering

[sick lantern]

not really
it's not like the SHD are prepped to deploy specialists in so many scenarios- that's infeasible in a SHD activation scenario, ISAC does what he can on that front but we can see that the SHD is also reliant on actual technicians and whatnot such as Rhodes when it comes to such matters

[waxen sonnet]

"Agents might register for advanced firearms classes or enroll in "continuing education" advanced technology classes at local community colleges, a front all taught by Division experts and attended only by other recruits or agents"

"To this end the Divisions support department contracts instructor's to provide specialist training and advanced exercises"

[sick lantern]

as in top secret SHD tech shit
maintaining their stash of tech or receiving new bits of it I presume

[waxen sonnet]

"Agents are known to work in the civilian sector as Police, Paramedics, Software managers, lawyer's, teachers or corporate managers, they could be your doctor, co worker, neighbour or yoga instructor"

[stray crystal]

I could see us taking out a larger chunk of BTSU leadership in the DLC, leaving the rest of BT in a power vacuum, however I don't think we'll actually deal with McManus before TD3

[waxen sonnet]

Nat kills McManus, we kill Nat imo

I think the DLC Will wrap both up

[stray crystal]

That would be boring - if we don't get a large exposé on McManus and Natalya (that isn't Descent comms), they might aswell ignore it - say both were killed by Eclipse or whatever.
But it all remains to be seen. We've got hella awesome manhunts in store, then the DLC and supposedly post DLC is gonna be wild according to Yannick (end of 5 year anniversary vid)

[waxen sonnet]

True, but with the hunter program revealed, Keeners hunter Counter in this manhunt and McManus power play treading on toes, I can see it that Nat finds him and his Hunter's a liability in the future

Half of me thinks his own Hunter's will betray him and stab him in the back for BTSU

[wicked gorge]

That’s probably the case cause of the last novel

Keener has really became the divisions get out of jail free card

[waxen sonnet]

See people gonna do the whole Keener was right with this manhunt

But.
Man still Used Eclipse on Castle Clinton, City hall and gave up JTF For Kajika to murder

[wicked gorge]

Eh what he did was screwed up, but had good reasoning and evacuated civics

He really only targeted government ppl and the division

[waxen sonnet]

"Cool motive, Still murder though"

[wicked gorge]

Welcome to the black and white morality of reason

[waxen sonnet]

Pretty much, I'll always be team Keener bad, others Keener Was right

[wicked gorge]

It’s basically how you view him, i view him as oh he’s got a few screws loose and was ready to kill hundreds, however he was abandoned for dead by the government and tried his best to evacuate civilians before he launched the payload

I view him as more anti-heroish that treads that black and white area

[sudden mortar]

Agreed, we have been during the entire first game going after Amherst just to discover that he is dead, and after Keener just to discover that he was long gone from midtown. If Mc Manus and Nat are such a big threat, I doubt that we will kill him or her in the dlc.

[waxen sonnet]

Dig him up Imma shoot him again 👀

[waxen sonnet]

I think two games of the BTSU might be dragging it out a bit too long imo.

I have a Shotgun with Nat's name on it and Im rowing to Brooklyn to do it

[wicked gorge]

Since Ubisoft has decent connections with the ppl who made dbd, one of my head cannons is the entity took Kenner after we left the area and he’s killing ppl in the realm, definitely the weakest but it’s there

[glad spruce]

Ahem... ||Faye Lau is Cassandra. Or rather was, assuming she's still dead||

[ashen jungle]

Yeah she dead, MSV confirmed it once the Manhunt following hers came out.

IIRC they actually kinda apologised for not making it clearer before the break.

[waxen sonnet]

I hated killing Lau, wish they'd have let her escape or got injured instead of Schafer, counterpoint however is she did shoot me, like, a lot.

[ashen jungle]

She was kinda too far off the deep end, she could've stopped once she got the POTUS and just held him there until we arrived.

dude was still warm when we found the body.

[waxen sonnet]

TBH I understand it, Ellis always was a slimey Traitor who needed outta the picture, and Detaining him would've let to more BTSU raids to recover him, or a huh Propaganda of "look the Division has the president locked up"......Not that the division blowing a golfball sized hole through the president was a better look.

[ashen jungle]

I mean even after that point she could've stopped. She was a top-end Agent, she could've gone after the BT nearby herself and turned herself in.
Honestly I think she was a little ashamed of what she did after the fact, but was convinced she had to do it.

[glad spruce]

Doesn't help that she was a triple agent this whole time

[waxen sonnet]

I get the feeling she let herself get killed so Nat wouldn't dig to hard into what she'd actually been up to within BTSU ranks

With Schafer and seemingly with Keener

stillhurtsman.mp4

[wicked gorge]

Remember that if they killed a character, they can easily be reconed back into life

[glad spruce]

Far as we know, Hornet was the only character who's death got retconned

[waxen sonnet]

"And the good news Is, I GET TO KILL HIM AGAIN!"

[glad spruce]

Hornet: "I live! I will fulfill Keener's Legacy!"

Div Agents: "And we'll fucking kill you again!"

[waxen sonnet]

"How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man!"

[wicked gorge]

Hehe “proceeds to drop a seeker mine”

[wicked gorge]

That one black tusk soldier that keeps getting revived after we gun him down

[waxen sonnet]

Man I love how BTSU Medics Just straight up have no self preservation "Theres a very angry agent approaching with a shotgun, CPR TIME!"

[wicked gorge]

They remembered they got their medical license for nothing so they gotta have a purpose to use it

[waxen sonnet]

You know that semi-famous current meme of Captain boomerang turning around in like sheer terror, Thats basically how It must be for the BTSU medics, Just turning round as a Division agent loads rifle with malicious intent

[wicked gorge]

Yeah, I’m pretty sure that’s how every enemy feels after hearing the seeker mine charge at them

[waxen sonnet]

TBH In the books the seeker mine sounds horrifying at the best of times, that thing was fast enough to catch up to a jeep.

Like a literal Football sized bomb that can outrun you, explode above your head or split into smaller versions of itself, no thank you.

[wicked gorge]

I would be terrified to see a football size bomb speeding towards me at 60 mph

[waxen sonnet]

One that activley chases your attempts to flee it as well

[glad spruce]

I'd be more afraid of flame turrets, tbh

[waxen sonnet]

I'd say Shrapnel traps, not a nice way to go either.

[wicked gorge]

Flame turrets are fine cause they’re stationary, but seeing that seeker mine turn into 9 mini seekers is hells nightmare

[waxen sonnet]

9 Golfballs KIA Your squad

[glad spruce]

Our little golfballs are great, tbh.

I probably forgot, but when did they add the Lost Ellis Memos? Y'know, the lore texts where Ellis shares his personal misgivings working with Natalya Sokolova and Black Tusk

[waxen sonnet]

One of the seasons, I dont know when as it was before my time so to speak, but still available on the White oak legacy manhunt

[glad spruce]

I'm glad that we get access to Legacy Manhunt missions, especiallt since I got the Langley Reports from Faye's Manhunt

[waxen sonnet]

Oh crap I totally forgot to unlock those until you mentioned that, Thanks Hawkster.

[glad spruce]

No problem

[wicked gorge]

Imagine a agent that duct tapes a incinerator turret to a drone

[glad spruce]

That'd be hilarious, but also impractical

[ornate gull]

I been wondering, if Agent can heard ISAC warning about Rogue SHD Tech has been use/deploy like "Rogue [SHD Tech Name] Detected". Do Rogue Agent will also alerted by ANNA of Division Agent use/deploy SHD Tech as "Division [SHD Tech Name] Detected"?

Also find weird that ISAC don't have alert for support tech like First Aid and Pulse

[wicked gorge]

If Isac can do it, Anna can probably do it 10x better

[tight jacinth]

I‘ m still asking myself if they planned this keener faye teamup since the beginning… I thought they came up with this after they realised that the deaths of them both were just dumb and useless. But now, having the knowledge, there are actually a few hints regarding that. On the one side, the „do u trust faye?“ question when we are about to fight keener… of course he could have known that she was with black tusk but on the other hand it could also be a hint… and the comms of faye with a rogue agent. At the end of them, you can feel that faye somehow knows that something needs to be done. Something the division can’t do. She doesn’t have quite the aggressive tone she used at the beginning when talking about rogues / keener.

[sick lantern]

i am 100% sure it was not planned at the time

it would take an actual act of god to convince me they have been planning this since WoNY

[tight jacinth]

yea that’s probably the case

[wicked gorge]

Its surprising that I haven’t seen anyone discuss that viper was a double agent for keener

[glad spruce]

Dunno about y'all, but I always thought there's more than meets the eye (no pun intended) for Viper considering she was an unactivated Division agent and all.

[bleak palm]

k

[glad spruce]

Well, I've got the second book from Operation Crossroads.

[waxen sonnet]

Where are you from mate? Only ask as if in the US Book 3 is buyable, April 11th its out in the UK/EU

[glad spruce]

I'm in UAE

[waxen sonnet]

Oooh thats a Tricky one then, I have no idea, If you have an Ebook reader you can buy it, Its how I read it here in the UK Two months earlier than paper

[glad spruce]

Yeah, but atm, I can't be arsed to read ebooks atm

[wicked gorge]

Well I guess that means we’re at a crossroads then hehe “proceeds to shoot sticky bomb at his feet”

[glad spruce]

Very funny

[waxen sonnet]

Stick with book 2, There's going to be characters introduced that become key to Book 3.

[glad spruce]

I feel like I should read up book 1 first when I get it, just for context and stuff

[wicked gorge]

I need to get both books still

[ornate gull]

I wondering

Collapse Fluid(Girls Frontline) and Green Poison

Which is more powerful

[wicked gorge]

Can thy explain what collapse fluid is

[ornate gull]

https://iopwiki.com/wiki/Collapse_Technology

Expose to Collapse Fluid will lead to ELID
https://iopwiki.com/wiki/Eurosky_Low-Emission_Infectious_Disease

[wicked gorge]

Probably the fluid due to it requiring bombing of cities to halt the spread and I don’t remember cities being bombed for green poison and the potential body combustion

[waxen sonnet]

Yeah, It might be pretty strange for you going in at book 2 as the character relationships are all set up in the first book

[waxen sonnet]

Brooklyn's DLC has just made me realise that after hunting all the hunters in one big hunt across two citys, I have to hunt Hunters in another hunt to come.

[glad spruce]

We also have to consider the possibility there's settlements that consider The Division as an enemy

[waxen sonnet]

Im pretty sure we call that a monday?

Nothing a shotgun cant solve

[wicked gorge]

That’s a war crime silly “proceeds to load the mortar”

[waxen sonnet]

"Paterson, Fire a warning shot" "Sir this is a DC62 Mortar"

[glad spruce]

As fun as it is to shoot the shit out of baddies, I would like activities helping bolster civilians and their settlements

[undone nova]

Have you see the cutscene when kelso find a echo and then shd tech or box?
When she touched that box and was electrocuted
That was a set up from Keener or The Hunters?

[glad spruce]

A lot of us seen that cutscene.

Whatever's in that box, it looks like it may be a countermeasure against the Hunters. However, it seems to require high-level access to open it which Kelso didn't have.

As for Kelso, I doubt she's dead. Though I speculate she's captured by Black Tusk or the Hunters.

[warped pivot]

imagine having the settlements or outposts getting assaulted and you have to defend them

[tight jacinth]

We don't know. On the one hand, it could just be a safety thing from Keener because she didn't have the requirements to open that. On the other hand, it could be a set up from black tusk / hunters. Regarding the "unknown presence detected" and the shadow in the door frame that could also be the case.

[ashen jungle]

Well the echo implied that it was meant for Cassandra and not Kelso, so it's sort of implied that if it was the right person, then it would've opened fine.
I guess we'll see what happens next section of the Manhunt.

Keener has some powerful 2fa.

[potent halo]

wait did the echo not say its need two people to open
something to the effect of "two people authentication required" or something to that effect

[ashen jungle]

I don't recall, but I was just making a joke about the need for 2fa on everything these days.

this is your reminder to activate it on all your accounts, anyone reading this.

[cyan haven]

Yeah, my belief is that the box needs Cassandra’s watch (which Kelso has), and Keener’s watch (which we have) and it shocked Kelso because it only detected one of the 2 watches

[stray crystal]

Yeah, that seems to be the general theory for it rn, somewhat reinforced by the note Kelso left us - which consequently makes me think she just passed out and no-one else knew about the crate, so she later woke up. But I'm not 100% on that.

[tight jacinth]

yea maybe the shadow on the door is just a bait

and the presence detected could also just be keener

[vast grove]

anyone found the ingame location of the place in the video?

[tight jacinth]

Yea it’s close to the settlement

[remote tree]

So KNR?

[sudden mortar]

In the corner of the recording, Isac shows "unknown presence detected" maybe that unknown person that was in heaven recording (people think that is ||Cassandra/Faye Lau|| but I doubt a little) Captured Kelso while she was unconscious.

[sudden mortar]

Well, Keener is dead and wouldn't make sense ISAC counts an ECHO as a presence.

[tight jacinth]

I know I also stated that above

that was just a maybe so the theory fits

makes no sense but - you never know about div 2 story line

[wicked gorge]

Theres always the possibility that the system we got the footage from is under control of ANNA and detects Kelso as the unknown presence

[waxen sonnet]

We basically know its a person purely because someone's loitering in the background of the first CCTV, Question is who

[cold bramble]

who are the possibilities it could be?

[wicked gorge]

A hunter, someone we don’t know in the story, a random person that doesn’t have any purpose in the story, or the ghost of Lau

[cold bramble]

any rogues haven't yet met maybe?

[wicked gorge]

I doubt they let rogues into haven and probably have a couple of agents there that would flag them as rogue

[cold bramble]

i mean from the second recording

[sudden mortar]

Well, if it was a rogue, he could hide the red watch and brick in the backpack or something like that, isn't like their red rings are stuck with them.

[wicked gorge]

Not necessarily, but ISAC already has their name, face, blood type in a database and since Isac is always scanning surroundings, it would pick up on the rogue

[cold bramble]

bloodtype? ISAC can get info like that?

[wicked gorge]

No but agent records most definitely require blood type

If it’s in the division database then Isac has access to it

[cold bramble]

thats kinda cool

[wicked gorge]

Hunters are probably given division training but are classified outside the division so they don’t have records while some hunters like Johnson are recruited but hunter history is redacted

[cold bramble]

do we see ISAC at his full potential in game or is drawn down?

[wicked gorge]

ISAC is the dumbest out of all 3 AIs made by Ortiz, it’s smart and constantly correlating data, but is very specific to actions

[cold bramble]

and are they developed in a way that they cant be modifies or upgraded?

[wicked gorge]

Its like the mobile SHD servers, they can be modified and upgraded definitely, but require someone with the smarts to reconfigure the system

[cold bramble]

ahh okay

[wicked gorge]

Basically ISAC is the brain of the division network

[cold bramble]

anyone from the ortiz family still alive?

or anyone who knows how to work with the AI?

[wicked gorge]

Ortiz are with the Black Tusk or with McManus, It’s been hinted at by Birdie that Wally at the Castle can reconfigure shd tech

[sick lantern]

considering they must have had months if not years before the outbreak it’s weird that Ortiz never upgraded ISAC or patched ANNA to acceptable states

but hey ho

[wicked gorge]

Isac was made in a week to show to McManus and he probably bought it without question and ANNA took k longer but I think McManus didn’t want something that could pass a human test and it having a female voice

[sick lantern]

I know.

[wicked gorge]

The division lore is either straight forward or a wall blocking that kind that twist 100. Times

[cold bramble]

a lot of is game development related as well i suppose

[wicked gorge]

Since they originally planned to kill the game after season 4, they’ve done a damn good job

[waxen sonnet]

Im starting to think it's gonna be a Hunter, perhaps now we know its Agents, an Agent from our past missions, De La Cruz perhaps

[sick lantern]

one of the jobs of all time at least

[waxen sonnet]

Wait a god damn second, Keener claims they were targetting hunters, not the Division, Keener Gasses City hall and one of the only agents to survive is De-la-Cruz 👀

screams in 3 weeks of conspiracy theory's to wait

[glad spruce]

Oh boy

But tbh, I would like to have ANNA talk. She can be sassy when she wants to

[wicked gorge]

I want to have a chess match with Anna

[waxen sonnet]

I Activley hate how annoying ANNA Is 😂 ISAC Is my go to non Irritating AI

[wicked gorge]

You could always pour water on Anna

[waxen sonnet]

Imma reset her to factory defaults and replace her with Microsoft Cortanna if she keeps it up

[glad spruce]

ANNA's probably our best chance against Black Tusk and the Hunters, so I'd like to befriend her

[shy ridge]

So I heard a broadcast from Sokolov in NYC where she says that oil refineries have started up again, as well as global trade thanks to the Roamers and such, which I know is a faction from the books(?). Is there any evidence to prove this statement true or false?

[wicked gorge]

True no questions

Global trade might be bs since the worlds dealing with green poison still and probably don’t want to risk a secondary outbreak but oil I think is true

[surreal umbra]

Is there a lore explanation for kandels absence in div2

[stray crystal]

Considering it's almost a year after the outbreak, I don't think the world in-universe is still dealing with the actual virus - the world goes on, wouldn't be surprised if global trade restarted.

[waxen sonnet]

Thomas Parrott's second Division book focuses heavily around oil production and the factions waring over it

I don't believe they say that global trade's working, but truckers can still run east to west

[summer sluice]

in theory, NYC would be the place of the first rebuilding, and likely a quasi capitol of any rebuilding nations due to the work done in the division 1 (unless it all collapses again, im still playing through it, dont spoil it) and would very definitely have enough dock space to foster world trade again, at minimum with private sailboats requisitioned to transport necessary supplies

NYC's biggest advantage is the amount of housing, the biggest disadvantage would be the lack of farmland, but with those exposed to and surviving the first major outbreak, you have battle ready people who can travel into upstate or jersey and build some farmland to ferry food back into the city

[summer sluice]

some might argue to use central park, but i dont recall if its really fertile farmland, plus 150 years of human traffic over it, and then being used as a mass grave (if i recall right within the lore), would complicate any farming on the land

[full pulsar]

central park is massive. it would not be good for a game (if you depicted it accurately)

and if you scale down central park too much thats not gonna feel right either

also it would not be hard to farm in central park

the soil might not be the most nutrient dense but its an amazingly well kept natural space. most of it is just fields and trees and if you go in more than a little bit you'll likely find yourself all alone in there. so its not like the whole place is trashed by human activity

[summer sluice]

i know how big it is, i used to visit it once a week as a kid, issue is how much damage human development likely has done to the lower level of soils that may make farming anything nutrient intensive impossible

[full pulsar]

yeah i guess it has been there a long ass time and the early days werent particularly pretty with the way sewage/etc. was handled in the city

i think one benefit of being on a big island is that you can dig a lot of wells probably. since desalination tech probably wouldnt be available within the context of new york's situation in the game

although you would need full maps of all underground structures to do that

[summer sluice]

a more sensible option would likely be to use the excess of sea water and natural boiling from sunlight, takes time and is less effective in winter or bad weather, but can definitely increase the amount of water stored during each summer, then you can have people bring in barges of firewood eventually

[full pulsar]

Good points. Fuel might not be that big a problem bc this area is so loaded with places with acres and acres full of so many huge oil storage facilities

[sick lantern]

she went to Ann Arbor, Michigan

to continue work on a cure (mentioned in Div 1, seen in Broken Dawn)

[waxen sonnet]

Yeah but given what happens during Broken dawn and not seeing her since is a bit leaving things open

[wicked gorge]

Anyone else sad we haven’t got a April Kelhler mention since the start of the game

[sick lantern]

yea

Kelleher was the best part of Broken Dawn

quite frankly I'd enjoy another book or like a mini series maybe of her just going around the country

[waxen sonnet]

I'd quite like aurelio Diaz back too

[glad spruce]

Ngl, I'd like to see some infrastructure stuff in various states considering the state of things in the US

[cold bramble]

In what way?

[cold bramble]

btw who is in charge of the division these days? is it manny?

[ashen jungle]

It kinda depends on what you think of as "in charge". Technically Kelso is the senior Agent.

so she'd be the equivalent of Lau back in div1.

[waxen sonnet]

Acting Field Commander was Lau's rank iirc, so Kelso would be something similar

[cold bramble]

ohhh i see

[glad spruce]

Agriculture, renewable energy, basically stuff that helps sustain a community or groups of communities

[summer sluice]

come to think of it, if done right, using waterwheels on the hudson, and the MASSIVE amount of car batteries within manhattan, a mostly secure source of power can be made

only worry would be when parts of the hudson freezes over in winter, so before any winter, large ice stores would have to be made for keeping food cooled, or smoking food in the summer

[floral gull]

Was the missile at liberty island containing the Eclipse virus only going to affect specific factions, like Hunters?

[glad spruce]

Probably? Though I speculate we'll know more about that in the last batches of comms for this season

[sudden mortar]

I wonder whose is the third watch that Kelso was carrying in the first footage, she got her and ||Cassandra's/Faye's|| watch and one more.

[glad spruce]

The latest Descent comm got released.

||https://youtu.be/0578x7PYg0Y?si=rnFyPbZz7Sn1vvk0||

[waxen sonnet]

Spicy, Hounds sound pretty countermeasureable if that's true

[wicked gorge]

Her watch

[ashen jungle]

Her watch, Lau's, and hers?

I guess Kelso is known for breaking them, gotta keep a backup handy.

[waxen sonnet]

Wasn't one of her's destroyed or badly damaged during the Potomac Events Centre, which is what led to ISAC Pronouncing her as dead by mistake during that mission?

Could be that one?

[ashen jungle]

It's somewhat of a running joke that she keeps breaking watches, that wouldn't have been the first time it happened, basically.

[cold bramble]

what's everyone's on story for Brooklyn dlc?

[tight jacinth]

Do we know anything except the location so far?

well idk fully depends on the end of the manhunt ig

[ashen jungle]

Well we know a single image from there, it's not even guaranteed to be the location.
MSV like keeping things close to their chest before release, so don't expect a whole lot of confirmed theories.

[cold bramble]

october is the release date right?

[ashen jungle]

Not from anywhere I've seen, the last "confirmed" time was just "2025" as of the last live stream.

although that being said, MSV only dropped a trailer for WONY 2 months before it came out, so don't expect anything too soon.

[cold bramble]

oh... lol

[glad spruce]

Yeah, at the current moment, I'd rather focus on what's in front of us (the current season and Year 6).

[wicked gorge]

Next season we’re definitely digging into mannys love life

[sudden mortar]

I bet Schaeffer will still be sleeping by then

[wicked gorge]

Next season we’re gonna be looking for the secret taco recipe Maria hide from us

[glad spruce]

Considering how Maira from Operation Crossroads novels has been mentioned a few times in game over the last few seasons, I wonder if she's still alive or if there's any chance we get to see her.

[pallid harness]

Maybe I'm just overthinking but, is there an explanation on why our agents have inhuman cardio? I've been wondering for a whole 4 months

[glad spruce]

Helping around people and fighting baddies while geared up with your SHD Tech and wearing your gear kind of factor into that

[stray crystal]

Overthinking - never think about a game mechanic in lore, such as having no stamina. And I much prefer infinite sprinting in The Division - no heavy exhales - to Borderlands - your character sounds like they're about to straight up die in the end but keeps running

[pallid harness]

yup, expected answer

[glad spruce]

What CS2 said. Some concessions are made when it comes to gameplay.

In lore, I doubt we have an unlimited supply of SHD Tech or run around with our specialisation weapon in our back all the time

[sudden mortar]

Or the fact that the armor, something made of steel, titanium or whatever, can "bleed"

[hardy oar]

Yeah. Add to that the weight of:

• our equipment (kneepads, holster, armor, gloves, helmets, etc.)
• supplies in our backpack (3 days worth),
• our weapons, grenades and ammunition.

Normally you would have to be a Special Forces to carry so many kilos on yourself and not get out of breath too soon

[hardy oar]

Or unlimited ammo in our pistol and "mind controlled" drone

[waxen sonnet]

The books are really good at stating about this, on average the agents have 5-6 magazines for a primary weapon, 1+2 for the sidearm, Drones and turrets are 1 time use and destroyed after deployment, STANAG Plays a big deal too

Oh and specialisation weapons are kept at SHD bunkers until specifically needed

[hardy oar]

Source?

[waxen sonnet]

Thomas Parrott's second book, "Compromised" , one of the end chapters.

[waxen sonnet]

@hardy oar page 290-299 Compromised. A Bunker in Brazoria National Wildlife refuge built into/under Marshland provided the agents with Specialisation weapons stored inside from safes.
Excerpt:

Colin climbed down into the vault proper, as he did, his watch chimed
"SHD Agent credentials authenticated" said ISAC. "Agent Identified: Colin Harrison. File Uploaded. Processing. Speciality Equipment distributed"
One of the cubes hissed and opened. Colin Examined it with some trepidation. It was a Safe. Inside, to his surprise, lay a crossbow, a quiver of bolts and a device he didn't recognize. He picked up the crossbow. It was ruggedly designed and patterned in camouflage. The device was a sphere, marked by black, silver and green parts. Curious, Colin took all three items and emerged.

"Usage Brief Activated. Item: Explosive-tipped Crossbow and bolts"

[sick lantern]

i doubt it's the case 100% of the time, they can probably be stored in SHD caches anywhere and recovered or stored as the agent pleases
besides that the original three spec weapons, i don't think are supposed to be SHD tech anyway as they're just real weapons

the flamethrower, minigun, and rocket launcher are all fictional designs and the rocket launcher is even explicitly stated to be SHD made iirc

[waxen sonnet]

See I'd maybe agree if the book doesn't show that the agents all seem unfamiliar with the specialization equipment, because if it was common access to most agents you'd thought they'd have some practice operating them and wouldn't be so surprised by it

[glad spruce]

In that case, I guess that makes our D.C Agents special

[cold bramble]

Just realised Julian might start work on div 3 this year after the Star Wars game releases

[glad spruce]

Well, Div 3 is still years away, so...

[stray crystal]

Might? It's the plan baby!

[cold bramble]

Yeah

[glad spruce]

I do hope we don't have to wait till an expansion to unfuck their shit after they launch it.

I would honestly love to be able to level up the previous season passes.

[gaunt ice]

if SHD is so advanced then why dont we have 50 cal assault rifles smh

[wicked gorge]

I think it’s cause of secrecy, don’t get me wrong total bs that the division doesn’t have access to war hounds, but they also have to look more helpful so ppl can trust them

[gaunt ice]

its a joke man come on

yea division dont have marauders and warhounds probably because mcmanus was setting them up to fail according to new lore

but also they're meant to be more like specialists than a full blown army

having robot dogs and flying drone of doom is probably overkill for the job they're intended to do

when a portable minigun,a 50 cal sniper and a flamethrower are considered to be "Specialized Weapons" then yea their original scope isn't big

div1 techs are more in line with all their stuff,striker being combat augments is an example

can they make striker just a full blown robocop suit?probably yes
but its overkill

[copper pollen]

ISSAC said enoughs enough and just cant be bothered dealing with people touching his stuff so we all have our spec weapons

[wicked gorge]

Well I thought you were being serious so my bad

[marsh sundial]

Dumb fanfic, division is activated during x-com 2. If the government gives up to the aliens do we count as rogue agents fighting them

The idea of agents being activated for different threats open up funny or fun stories. End of Days happen and now agents need to bless their bullets to kill some demon leading black tusks

[sick lantern]

idk I feel like they could've set up Totally Legit Mechanics™️ in major cities to store larger tech, warhounds and marauders and etc would be good for intimidating street punks and gangs and plus they can probably help transport heavy cargo like food and water too

also from a doylist perspective the idea of "dont mess with the SHD or we will f_cking obliterate you with drones" would contribute to the supposed grey morality of the SHD

This Garage is not a Government Front™️

[gaunt ice]

i mean in theory that works but its like modern day America

sure its still kinda shit but it's not at Robocop levels of shit yet

having warhounds patrol the streets seem overkill

[sick lantern]

in Texas they would barely need to hide them
"I own this drone fleet for self defence"
"amen to that brother"

[gaunt ice]

real

[sick lantern]

i think realistically Division mandate is probably that your pre-activation stashed weapon has to be something with common ammo

Div 1 trailers seemed to show that the Vector and ACR are the standard issue SHD guns and you start with an MP5 in 1, 9mm and 5.56 are ammo types that would be relatively common for scavenging, trade etc

[gaunt ice]

while that is true what about exotic weapons

is there like 1 assigned to every stash?

[sick lantern]

so no 50. Beowulf ARs before you're activated

[sick lantern]

wdym

[gaunt ice]

i mean exotic weapons

like chameleon uses special rounds or something i cant remember

or scorpio loaded with whatever shit

[sick lantern]

exotics are like borderline non canon if not outright non canon afaik

like DARPA or whoever wouldn't actually make a gun that looks like the Scorpio

and plus yea if they are such hot shit why dont we start with them or have them assigned officially like with skills

[gaunt ice]

fair point

though i still think having robots on the streets seem like a bad idea

maybe stashes but us not having it can be blamed to mcmanus

[sick lantern]

it is a little bit City 17 yea but you know

[sick lantern]

seems to me like "victory through overwhelming firepower"

realistically a Warhound isn't much more than a 50 cal/GPMG/etc that moves, it's like an autonomous HMMWV

so maybe not the sky drones of george orwell but i'd say give them warhounds

[gaunt ice]

Even ignoring gameplay those things have some hefty plates covering them up so its probably more in line with a juggernaut tbh

Also being mobile as fuck

I dont think even police use 50 cal or miniguns

Most ive realistically seen are machine guns,like rarely so

[sudden mortar]

I think we could consider some of them canon, not the crazy design ones.
I mean, in the div1 makes sense the exotic gear being equipment from the main target like Bliss's holster, Barret chest and Joe ferro's mask. iirc, the nemesis rifle is made by the black tusk, (make sense looking at its design)

[marsh sundial]

Sam got a spot in Rainbow so why not a SHD agent, who would you pick? (In terms of lore this would be a non canon prequel so dead agents allowed)

As for tech balancing, whatever you give them could just be early versions of shdtech

[ornate gull]

Im beginning to question

If Dollar Flu affect nearly the whole World

How the hell Supply/Medicine/Weapon still able to distribute to Quarantine Zone like Dark/Light Zone

Also idk what happen to Upper Manhattan after our Div 1 Avatar (supposedly) move to Lower Manhattan in Div2

[sick lantern]

good questions, next question

[marsh sundial]

Question, would you want a second d2 dlc to cover more of nyc and a return to upper Manhattan (it would go hard on d1 pandering)

[glad spruce]

Depends if we'll see a new story DLC after Brooklyn

[wicked gorge]

There is no way an agent wouldn’t be op in rainbow

[marsh sundial]

Depends on what shd tech you give them. Add on this is kind of a prequel you can nerf it a bit

[wicked gorge]

If thats the case probably the ballistic shield

[gaunt ice]

division powerscaling is balanced because most agents are incompetent asf compared to rainbow

the recruitment is sloppy so 80% of agents are more like amateurs with overpowered gear and 20% are actually trained

[obtuse arrow]

Inconsistent plot is how

[obtuse arrow]

Probably the same thing that happened to Lower Manhattan

[gaunt ice]

for div1 the outbreak wasn’t as big so supply distribution is still possible
div2 idk

[cold bramble]

Brooklyn will be on nyc map right? Because it’s just over the bridge which I’m gonna guess is collapsed and means we’ll use the helo 😂

[ashen jungle]

Well div1's map was different to div2, so it's possible the new Expansion's map will be the old one but tweaked.
However, we know literally nothing about the DLC right now except that one image used is of the Brooklyn Bridge, so it might not even be set there.

[sudden mortar]

Just like the div1 tutorial segment

[ornate gull]

Imaging Rainbow use SHD Tech, Seeker Mine/Ballistic Shield/Pulse/Mobile Cover/Drone

[cyan haven]

I’m not sure if the SHD is canon in the main Tom Clancy universe (Splinter Cell, R6, Ghost Recon), but in that universe, didn’t Sam Fisher deal with Amherst before he became a threat?

[sick lantern]

iirc not fisher but someone else from echelon, in one of the splinter cell books

crazy (read: bollocks) how far cry new dawn got to have splinter cell and the division references, and division gets nothing

[cyan haven]

So if the SHD is also canon in that universe, I could see American CTUs or Nighthaven (since black tusk also have access, I’m sure Kali could bribe that universe’s McManus) using SHD tech

[cyan haven]

Yeah, the only reference we got was the descent trailer and an outfit for 3rd Echelon in both games, would be cool to have a cameo for someone in Echelon or even descent comms name dropping Sam Fisher at some point

[sick lantern]

probably Lau, Kelso, or Ryan Marquez

[sick lantern]

the descent trailer was just a 🐓tease

they cant keep getting away with this

[cyan haven]

Fr, I was like “Sam Fisher? Oh, it’s Keener, that’s dumb”

Like imagine if that NSA analyst Cal’s always talking to was like “I could’ve sent 3rd (or 4th) Echelon to deal with Amherst but you kept blowing me off”

[glad spruce]

I doubt 4th Echelon would be active in The Division's timeline

[next hemlock]

||Iirc, I think in the dragonfire novel they assassinated him I could be wrong||

[wicked gorge]

Division is non cannon, it’s own timeline

[cursive tapir]

Is it no longer possible to get the recruiter insurance comms from last season? The environment puzzles were bugged for me at the time so I figured I’d leave them a while

[glad spruce]

No idea, cuz they weren't bugged for me when I got them.

[cyan haven]

They should be, I got them all at the start of this season

[gaunt ice]

its impossible cuz how will you fit division into the current TC lore

with ghost recon,r6s and splinter cell being all in ne

[sick lantern]

"future"

[gaunt ice]

where tf is GR Breakpoint in the lore then