division-universe

[frosty shuttle]

they're just reactive and let the people do whatnot this will definitely lead to problems down the road

[urban musk]

Yes, but they don't have the complete power to boss around civilians, the don't even have the power to boss around JTF.

[frosty shuttle]

Civilian settlements go contrary to the mission, they should be organized as they're still US citizens

[urban musk]

they are, since most of them have CERA and JTF support.

[frosty shuttle]

well they would have to be elected to have the power to do so

[urban musk]

Yes, they weren't elected think about a police chief, they have more power and authority than a division agent, they aren't elected officials like Sheriffs, they are appointed. NOT TO MENTION the country is under MARTIAL LAW, democratic process doesn't apply during MARTIAL LAW.

[frosty shuttle]

I don't see them trying to get out of Martial Law

[urban musk]

If the country is being taken over by gangs and mercs, how the hell would we get out of it in a timely manner?

[frosty shuttle]

the Division is just a failed ineffective band of lone gunmen

[urban musk]

that isn't a point.

[frosty shuttle]

Black Tusks unironically doing a better job than the Division

[urban musk]

THEY EXECUTE CIVILIANS!!!

[frosty shuttle]

they even are having Civilians on their side as shown in the Mari Rescue mission

[urban musk]

Yes, go with them or die!

ever heard of manipulation too?

[frosty shuttle]

ERM AKSHUALLY they only do that for civs tied to the Division and JTF☝️ 🤓

[frosty shuttle]

Division.. go with them or die

[urban musk]

If you support roguoids and the BTSU after all the shit they've pulled off against the american public, then I can't help you,

and no the division doesn't just kill.

[frosty shuttle]

the Division has been a breeding ground for rogues

[urban musk]

and we can do statements all day.

but they aren't points.

[frosty shuttle]

they are a testement to the utter ineffectiveness and danger they pull

Rhodes even says this, he didn't trust the Division at all

that's why he broke from them

[frosty shuttle]

also the Rogue Agents and BTSU aren't on the same side

[urban musk]

That's still killing and against the LAW, not even self defense can save them because there is no defense for killing people who have done literally nothing except support a first party.

[urban musk]

most are at this point.

[frosty shuttle]

well if it's a threatre of War, the group they're aiding is your enemy then

[urban musk]

did you even pay attention to the seasons? Half of rogues are probably in the BTSU right at this moment.

[frosty shuttle]

what should happen to civilians that support the BTSU?

[urban musk]

Not get executed lol, and we can see the division didn't execute or attempt to execute BTSU supporting civilians.,

[frosty shuttle]

only a few of them were actually not bad people mostly that True Son person comes to mind

the rest were out there

but they weren't part of Keener's group

[urban musk]

I believe some were in the earlier seasons.

specifically season 3-4

[frosty shuttle]

we have yet to see what is to happen with them, Wally was shocked to see them caring for civilians and that the civilians were afraid of the Division

most American civilians are cause of Faye assassinating President Ellis

[urban musk]

MANIPULATION.

[frosty shuttle]

cop out

[urban musk]

dude are you gonna respond with and actual point and back it up, or are you just gonna do statements all day?

[urban musk]

no it's actually a strawman.

[frosty shuttle]

no it's not, most American civilians don't trust the Division cause of President Ellis assassination

[urban musk]

How do you know that?

[frosty shuttle]

and the constant rogue agents made alot of them not trust the Division

[urban musk]

this is finally a point that actually has merit.

[frosty shuttle]

that's why Rhodes established his own settlement

[frosty shuttle]

I've been saying this lul

[urban musk]

no it was mostly because of the JTF losing support.

[frosty shuttle]

the JTF is the lap dog for the Division

[urban musk]

they also warmed up to the division after they "got shit done."

[frosty shuttle]

Rhodes only likes Kelso but feels utterly betrayed by Faye going rogue

😿 I mean the Division was hunting down the President as an enemy

[urban musk]

they are emergency service workers, and the division are sleeper agents, how are they lap dogs? the serve similar but different purposes, one serves the public and assists the other neutralizes any aggressors that are a threat to the american public.

[frosty shuttle]

what if the Division is a threat to the american public?

the American public will pretty much follow anyone and right now in the lore the best options are The Division or the Black Tusks

[urban musk]

the rogues sure, but the non-rogues aren't as seen in-game they are fighting with the public and civil militias.

[frosty shuttle]

there isn't a distinction made for the rogues and non-rogues with civies

non-rogues could go rogue whenever

they aren't beholden to anyone. no checks and balances

[urban musk]

Dude aaron keener blew up the city hall with a VIRUS, he shot JTF, and was also gonna shoot nyc with a deadly virus!

[frosty shuttle]

the Division empowered such people😿

[urban musk]

No shit, they aren't because they are supposed to act autonomously.

[urban musk]

Yes, but it's a LOYALTY and ROGUE issue.

[frosty shuttle]

and that's the problem

their autonomy is a big problem

that's why they go rogue so often

[urban musk]

How the hell are we supposed to predict the future?

[frosty shuttle]

loyalty to what? they went after the president

[urban musk]

they tried to select the best candidates.

[urban musk]

AFTER he joined the ENEMY!

and it was a ROGUE who killed him!

[frosty shuttle]

or are the Division a rogue unit

[gaunt ice]

Ellis was never recognized as the official president of the USA

are you trolling rn

[urban musk]

they had the JTF trying to apprehend the president!

[frosty shuttle]

yeah im bored

[frosty shuttle]

why would they do such a thing against the President?

[gaunt ice]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[urban musk]

Because he sided with an enemy of the american public.

[frosty shuttle]

Division not being a rogue network challenge(impossible)

[frosty shuttle]

but when the American public also is siding with the BTSU who is the enemy?

[urban musk]

If you are trolling I'm gonna discontinue this conversation because it's basically me talking to a brick wall.

[frosty shuttle]

you aren't really critically thinking about the Division as an entity

[urban musk]

mods, can you stop deleting my messages?

[spare arrow]

wasnt the mods lol, automod caught your messages

[urban musk]

damn, forgot about that lol.

[frosty shuttle]

✊ 😵‍💫

[spare arrow]

first for "shitty" and second for a tenor link

[frosty shuttle]

literally 1984?

[spare arrow]

also can you knock it off with the trolling? appreciate it

[frosty shuttle]

im not really trolling more doing devil's advocate

[gaunt ice]

Nice message,would be unfortunate if someone put a 🤓 reaction on it

[urban musk]

dude you said you were trolling, I don't know whether to believe if you're playing devils advocate or trolling, you said you were trolling earlier, so if that's the case I will discontinue this conversation for real this time, and start playing the division 2 with @rocky torrent.

[gaunt ice]

Why aren’t there a JTF Juliet

[urban musk]

Lol, that's a good point.

[frosty shuttle]

okay yeah that was kind of a troll response my bad

[signal thicket]

Have we met Agent Johnson before this season?

In game or in other media

[gaunt ice]

yea he's one of the 3 agents used in the promotional materials for Division 2

https://youtu.be/sli7AbX2bEk?si=EqUfdhaR3bdG5EPi&t=187 the one with the tac 50

[sick lantern]

he's in that div 1-2 bridge comic

[surreal hearth]

I knew it

Black tusk bastards stole our coordinator Cindy

So rumor has it that our main target is “the recruiter” it’s the first time a hunter becomes our prime target but……something is not right here

[gaunt ice]

damn what gave you the hinty

we never thought of it we all thought she went out to buy some milk

[surreal hearth]

Look at the 5 days left until the next season pops up

It’s called the puppeteer season

[sick lantern]

I think the season has already started good sir

[late void]

living in the past

[surreal hearth]

What?!

[sick lantern]

yea dude the Cindy mission and the Incursion are out

[surreal hearth]

Shit I need to get on then

[frail coyote]

one thing I discovered in the legacy manhunts section

I feel fuckin bad for our agents, they are getting overworked

Juniper events - Aug 20th
Hornet events - Aug 23rd
Bardon Schaeffer - Aug 27th
Faye Lau - Aug 30th
Captain lewis - Sept 30th
General Anderson - Oct 1st
Stovepipe - Oct 15th
Mari Singh - Oct 16th

[sick lantern]

they couldn't even put it to one target per day like damn rinsed five rogues in three days? impressive

[frail coyote]

in 7 days they cleaned up 14 rogues, and captured Schaeffer

[gusty fulcrum]

jupiter not juniper*

[sick lantern]

again, in like the first three pages of Recruited it says it's been a year so it being October doesn't make sense (which I wouldn't be criticising if they didn't reference the book)

[gusty fulcrum]

whats recruited

[frail coyote]

a tie-in book series

[gusty fulcrum]

ah

i have the book somewhere

never fuckin opened it

i hate reading

[frail coyote]

oh I have a Div1 book, also have the div2 ones

Broken Dawn, comproimised, recruited

I think a new one is coming out soon

[gusty fulcrum]

not cannon so cant be bothered

[sick lantern]

they are canon

[frail coyote]

thats debatable at this point since they are referencing points in the game

like all those comms about Outcasts having a dirty bomb

[sick lantern]

it's not a debate it's fact

[gusty fulcrum]

what the fuck

id read them if they werent books

books bore me to death

[raw yew]

Are the dates on the bounties for manhunt on purpose

“November Two”

[sick lantern]

sure that's not like, a squad name?

[raw yew]

I was referring to the date November 2nd

If that’s the date we rescue Cindy

[sick lantern]

well Mari Singh was October 16th and the cutscene ended like "we've got a lotta shit to do tomorrow"

so I hope they're not already walking back on current content 💀 lmao

[raw yew]

Did anyone find last seasons story boring?

Cause it was really dry for me, bunch of randoms and no real interaction with characters in the division like Kelso (ik she went back to ny) …

They also kind of replaced Kelso with Wally

[fallen gate]

It was expected to be like that tbh

New path must start somewhere

And now we have a manhunt for a literal recruiter

[cursive tapir]

Incursion Spoilers: ||So Grandad Meret started some sort of elite “club” of power brokers and politicians? I have to assume this is connected to the Morovian Society and/or the BTSU’s employers||

[sick lantern]

||i certainly hope those court of owls mfs don't become important and that that's nothing more than a cute easter egg||

[cursive tapir]

Really? How come?

[sick lantern]

cus it's fuckin dumb?

cliche af and exceptionally boring

[raw yew]

New path towards what?

Like they have to create new story or they have changed the way it’s going to progress?

[fallen gate]

Basically the story must've ended with Faye Lau's manhunt but now new people work on the direction story goes to

So i think that's how they redirect it to something more interesting

Previously everything that could be done was done by the division so i think they intend to give us a reason to dig deeper by getting our stuff back while Manny and others are looking out for things that are actually important to the division now too

[raw yew]

Oh, cause they seem to be building a story around the classified assignments and Manny

I wish they’d confirm how many agents are in dc besides what counts as the player

[fallen gate]

I think DC lacks agents as most of them were moved to castle

And Kelso is in New York again

[raw yew]

Like we got introduced to a couple but they treat it as if there’s none

Plus it does not make sense to me all these events took place in a few days

The three from the trailer
Odessa
Kelso
Espinoza
Brookes
Edwards

All whom ik of

[fallen gate]

I think that's literally how the game treats other agents lol

We do all the job

And Faye still says that Kelso is better

[raw yew]

Oh and there’s Sanders

[fallen gate]

I think we don't see them at all because everything literally happens in days

[raw yew]

So per the story it’s now our agent doing all the manhunts?

[fallen gate]

They appear one time and disappear for 2-3 days and for us it looks like a long time, but in the game seasons have like a day or two between them

[fallen gate]

Yeah, basically

[raw yew]

But how 😂

[fallen gate]

Other agents do other stuff

[raw yew]

Dude needs to eat and sleep

[fallen gate]

I've asked the same question long time ago

But there's no real explanation because in lore Manny names our agent as sheriff

[raw yew]

I’ve had it in mind that my Division 1 agent is dead lol

[fallen gate]

But no words about agents we do missions with

[raw yew]

Oh there was that other one… the one from the classified mission

[fallen gate]

He may be pretty much alive while defending that doctor chick from the first part

[raw yew]

But yea pretty much anytime a div agent goes solo they end up dead

Only one to survive really was Brooke’s

[fallen gate]

I found it funny while going through the game

Other npc agents rush the mission while dying in the process

They never wait for us to intervene

[raw yew]

Kelso sometimes solos but usually ends up incapacitated

[fallen gate]

Kelso is unique in that

Because she's actually like the player

Kinda sad that all of the well trained agents that can be around players power level are bad

[raw yew]

The one thing I will say is the enemies in dc feel severely underpowered

They pose no threat not unless your team sucks

I wish they’d buff enemy tanks

True Sons tank needs more love

[fallen gate]

Oh they are keeping that for special missions

[raw yew]

Spam fire all 6 grenades

😂

[fallen gate]

I don't think i wanna meet cleaners with miniguns in normal play

Incursions is enough

[raw yew]

Nah it’s be fun

I liked last season had ragers I don’t get why they keep forcing special ammo, pistolero

[fallen gate]

Isn't it random?

[raw yew]

Been had them for like 2 years now i like ragers and ammo hoarders

Yes but they always keep pistolero and special ammo, only last season did they change them

[fallen gate]

Anyways, it may be actually in the game with the new end game overhaul they're planning

[ivory solar]

Well with this new season there’s some guy called Johnson as an agent

Think he’s the guy on the cover art and from the promotional comics

Oh you must’ve been talking about him by saying “the three from the trailer”

[gusty fulcrum]

You mean the lovebird Johnson?

[frozen linden]

Johnson is one of the specialist agents too. He’s the Sharpshooter

[gaunt ice]

apparently different person because they do not sound similar at all

[gusty fulcrum]

Why the hell so many agent johnsons

[lone salmon]

I like how they expanded on Cindy being a lil trigger happy on Coney Island that day

[gaunt ice]

Didn’t happen+If it did they deserved it

Common Cindy W

Cant spell black tusk without the L

[frozen linden]

What war crime did she even commit on Coney?

[surreal hearth]

Cindy is back on our hands

Actually she kinda did when we took over a black tusk mortar she used it and pretty much took half the black tusk defenses down but for some reason manny thinks that it’s war crime

[tepid crescent]

Using the mortars on Black Tusk on forces ? (But I dont get why Manny said it's a warcrime tho 😬)

[frozen linden]

Yeah no clue how that's a war crime.

[gusty fulcrum]

Probably because she went "aw damn it, I'm out of mortars"

[surreal hearth]

Im theorizing that manny is army tradition cuss the U.S army have always kept their battles as they were but anything inhumane or cheating like using the mortars against our enemies is a war crime

[gusty fulcrum]

lewis is also army tradition

look how well that went in JTC

[sick lantern]

now i’m not a serviceman but i’m pretty sure the US Army use mortars and artillery

and I don’t think there’s a paper or regulation in the world that defines those as war crimes

[gusty fulcrum]

Hell the authoritarian true sons use chemical mortars

Literally military based regime committing war crimes

[gaunt ice]

Chem mortars fall into the chemical warfare section which is a war crime

[gusty fulcrum]

That's what I just said lol

Atomic, biological, chemical

Those are the three classification for WMDs

Remember your ABC's

[sick lantern]

i think you mean CBRN

[gusty fulcrum]

what

whats the r for

[sick lantern]

Radiological

Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear

[gusty fulcrum]

isnt that just nuclear

[sick lantern]

no

nuclear entails nuclear detonations which have radiation as a side effect, radiological entails the use of radiation itself as a weapon

[gusty fulcrum]

i just need to ask... does radiological weaponry even exist

and without being atomic?

because im pretty sure radiation, no matter the circumstance, is classified as atomic

[sick lantern]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_bomb

[gusty fulcrum]

is that not atomic?

yeah it is

[gusty fulcrum]

radioactivity is an atomic property so i was correct

atomic does include radioactivity

[sick lantern]

"A dirty bomb or radiological dispersal device is a radiological weapon that combines radioactive material with conventional explosives. The purpose of the weapon is to contaminate the area around the dispersal agent/conventional explosion with radioactive material, serving primarily as an area denial device against civilians. It is not to be confused with a nuclear explosion, such as a fission bomb, which produces blast effects far in excess of what is achievable by the use of conventional explosives."

[gusty fulcrum]

yeah but radioactivity is an atomic property

radioactive doesnt mean nuclear, but radioactive means atomic

so my initial statement stands

[sick lantern]

everything is made of atoms bruh

[gusty fulcrum]

adjective
of, pertaining to, resulting from, or using atoms, atomic energy, or atomic bombs:
an atomic explosion.

propelled or driven by atomic energy:
an atomic submarine.```

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/atomic

[sick lantern]

this is semantics regardless

like yea atomic is a word which connotes radiation, atomisation, ionisation, nuclear energy etc

it doesn't matter

and in terms of the phrase "atomic bomb" being an archaic way of saying "nuclear weapon" you would not call a radiological weapon an atomic weapon

[gusty fulcrum]

It functions via atomic nature lol

[sick lantern]

everything does

[gusty fulcrum]

Read the definition above

[sick lantern]

look you're being pedantic because you came up with your own ABC acronym and this is purely a semantic argument because you didn't know about the official term. I don't care.

that's out of my system, we're done

[sleek plover]

Apple Blueberry Cranberry?

[surreal hearth]

Wally just explained us what we already knew about the combat simulations but in details

Also I’ve noticed that the castle settlement has some kind of threat level it went from 1 to 2

I wonder if this is a version of the defcon alerts?

[gusty fulcrum]

true

[frail coyote]

I remember them stating that the Recruiter is someone we already know

I think thats a red herring, seen alot of speculating "which character do we know that it could be?"

easy answer, the Hunter that spared us in the first half of the main campagin before the black tusk invasion

[sick lantern]

oh I didn't hear that

[fallen gate]

Would be cool if it's actually true

And the hunter actually had the model of a recruiter now

[frail coyote]

I can check, currently have a HC who hasn't done that quest yet, just need to clear WONY

[fallen gate]

Wow, great! Even though i doubt it's changed or ever will get changed it's interesting thing to check nonetheless

If it's the same we'll need to check on it later on after encountering the recruiter face to face

[fallen gate]

It seems that agent Johnson can be Recruiter himself

He's the one with Tac-50

And in the trailer recruiter has Tac

Also the devs said that we know the person who hides behind the recruiter's mask

Johnson's Tac has blue numbers on it

While recruiters Tac has it too

The only thing left to check on is their voice

There's comm from the last season with unknown person giving Mary division comms and maybe the voice is close enough to Johnson's

The fact that he basically sends us to the Meret Estate doesn't help

Isn't he helping us with manhunt too?

[signal thicket]

I thought Kelso was the one that sent use to Meret

And johnson is the main radio op we hear during the manhunt it seems

[urban musk]

Is it Agent "Brian Johnson?" or another Agent Johnson?

because if there's 2 agent johnson's then what the hell, that is confusing.

[urban musk]

Ok screw it, new theory! the recruiter is McManus.

[frail coyote]

you think that old fuck can move like that?

[languid wing]

dont underestimate old people

[frail coyote]

I dunno, I still feel like it being that Hunter from the begining would wrap everything nicely, would also mean the 12 DC hunters were cannon and our original test

[obtuse arrow]

I think it could be also

[sleek plover]

Damn I hate LMB

[late void]

The hunter from that side mission has the same mask as the one you can spawn in the same location by shooting out the targets in the windows, so I assume it's that hunter.

[fallen gate]

Yeah, i messed up, but that info is even better for the theory

[fallen gate]

Yup, him

[azure stone]

Can someone help me who agent Johnson even is. I can't remember who he was and were we met him

[fallen gate]

So, basically he's an agent from specialization promo videos, we haven't directly met him, but we've seen him in 2018 promo, he's a guy with a Tac and he's been in div comics

And now he suddenly appeared and started talking to us

[signal thicket]

Not to be confused by Johnson, the Paradise Lost rogue

[fallen gate]

Yeah, those are different guys

You'll hear our agent Johnson during the manhunt

[languid wing]

Johnson the paradise lost rogue fitting name

[sick lantern]

"Rumour is they have access to SHD tech, not sure if Conley made them honorary agents or if they have another fairy godmother"
Not sure he is a rogue, rather a Cleaner using SHD tech supplied by BT

[frail coyote]

The recruiter also used to have a different mask, I dunno I like when a story gets wrapped up

[sleek plover]

The recruiter

is the guy who recruits

the guys who are being recruited by the recruiter

who recruits the guys whi are being recruited by the recruiter who recruits

[gaunt ice]

woa no way

the Recruiter recruits??????

[sleek plover]

yea

he recruits the guys who are being recruited

by the recruiter who recruits

the guys who are being recruited by the recruiter who recruits(and so on)

[signal thicket]

I mainly called johnson rogue, cause his icon is the same used for other rogue enemies

so even if he sint technically rogue, it seems the ame classifies him as a rogue-type

[fallen gate]

Even Nat calls them rogues, so

[sick lantern]

well Bardon Schaeffer was classified as a rogue in game so I never believe that

[signal thicket]

Fair enough

[gusty fulcrum]

whos hellfire

[sick lantern]

Wright from Paradise Lost iirc

[gusty fulcrum]

no thats wright

maybe youre right idk

[languid wing]

I think they classify the other Factions as rogue elements take the true sons for example they were once JTF who went rogue and the BT consider the division a rogue Faction as well

[surreal hearth]

This recruiter is wearing a big poncho with no multi watches but one

Was heard that this is to conceal its gender cuss something about this recruiter feels……off

[surreal hearth]

Hmmm Agent Johnson a hidden rogue agent

Why do I get the feeling that the rogues are terrified of this situation than we are?

[languid wing]

So the recruiter could be a female ?

[surreal hearth]

Possibly

[languid wing]

But the build is too musclar for a woman nkt saying women can't be muscle but the body type fits a guy

[surreal hearth]

Yeah but if you can compare with the other hunters we’ve encountered

[languid wing]

It would be surprising if the recruiter was a female cause all the hunters we encountered so far have been men

[surreal hearth]

Plus whoever gave Mari division comms but no name of that person

It’s anyone’s guess at this point

[languid wing]

What if it's secretly Kelso 😂

[surreal hearth]

Kelso disappearing act has been marked as sus but only a small fetch of the clue

[languid wing]

I mean mc manus has hunter operatives hidden in the BT ranks so ehy couldn't he have a hunter hidden among the SHD

[surreal hearth]

The “super classified logs” on the descent combat simulations proves how deep McManus pockets can he get

[languid wing]

I mean it would be a smart move on mc manuses part what better way to recruit then be with the agents and see them in action

Though I think the recruiter is having doubts about mc manus

[surreal hearth]

Let’s not forget we have keeners watch with fully embedded Anna networks

Minus her voice that is

[languid wing]

There are 3 AI systems those are issac, Anna and what the BT use called diamond

[surreal hearth]

The hunters have diamond which means they not only have the highest power but can also manipulate our tracking systems making us run around and delay us from rescuing our people

[languid wing]

Isn't diamond surpieor to both Anna and Issac?

[mint citrus]

It is, yes

[languid wing]

Ofc the enemies get all the cool toys:(

[sick lantern]

ISAC is supposedly an inferior version of ANNA but we don't know the capabilities of Diamond compared to ANNA

at this point with Diamond I'm wondering if the devs just forgot that ISAC was an acronym and we'll never know what ANNA stands for 💀

[gaunt ice]

what does ANNA stand for?

[sick lantern]

who knows!

[fallen gate]

Holy cow, they changed recruiters model in the past missions too

There's a Reddit post with screenshots

So now it's confirmed that we met recruiter last two times during manhunts

[sick lantern]

when mcmanus appears he'll be at first represented by a cardboard cutout until they have time to make a model

[fallen gate]

Perfect

[marble dawn]

Analytic Neural Network Assistant? 🤔

[signal thicket]

Now what does diamond stand for lol

[marble dawn]

Damn Impressive Artificial Mind On Natalya's Dollar

[sick lantern]

lmao

[restive phoenix]

WHY DOES THAT WORK

[languid wing]

I was watching NGN and he brought up a good point What if the recruiter are the ortiz twins they did create anna Issac and diamond and they do hate nat and mc manus could protect them from her by offering them a job as the recruiter

They are to valuable to be killed

And the recruiter seems to be more tech oriented

But that still doesn't explain the sniper the recruiter has

It could be Johnsons rilfe but Every tac 50 has blue marks on the side of the it

So we really don't know

Johnson is sus in my books

[fallen gate]

There could easily be two identical recruiters

So who knows

[languid wing]

didint they say the recruiter is someone we know on stream?

[ashen jungle]

The recruiter being one of the MSV staff who do the streaming would be a pretty big twist.

[fallen gate]

They did

[gaunt ice]

ah yes,Yannick the Recruiter

[sick lantern]

with all due respect to good sir NGN, he said "i don't think that was just a placeholder model" then they went and patched it with the new model and that was his only piece of evidence for there being more than one recruiter

[surreal hearth]

From the dollar flu/green poison to AI apocalypse warfare

[languid wing]

AI will take over just wait

[ashen jungle]

Oy, don't ruin my big surprise next week.

[languid wing]

We are onto you rivens

Oy no knuckles

[surreal hearth]

Actually it’s called

The Node AI chatbot apocalypse

You know cuss they are a network collective with voices but no body and they are military grade chatbots

[sleek plover]

I actually used chatgpt

to write short stories for my own personal pleasure

of LMB and True Sons remnants moping in depression

after they lost

"They are shooting fireworks like its damn 4th of july."

• ChatGPT made True Sons

So pleasurable to see those guys failing to shoot themselves instead of surrendering and got captured and shamed by civs

[surreal hearth]

There’s still a lot on why nat is being soft on our people for her puppeteer agenda

Unfortunately for the first time we are seeing bounty alliance with black tusk and true sons which is very bad

That would mean that the next rescue is more likely to put one of the most annoying combinations of enemy combatants in the game

Immobilizers, warhounds, drone operators and, freaking warhound minigun overdrives

Immobilizers are the most annoying and I’m worried they’ll use them more often in the final manhunt with black tusk twist

[fallen gate]

Imagine incursion with that alliance

Damn

[surreal hearth]

We played the first division game and saw the nastiest faction combination alliances

In division2 however is gonna be a nightmare for solo players cuss those damn immobilizers riot foams takes longer to get rid of

[gusty fulcrum]

if someone can find the exact brand that meret represents irl they can track and figure out who mckenzie meret is which can then give us a lead to who natalya sokolova represents in the real world

am i wrong

[languid wing]

I tried Google

[surreal hearth]

That “recruiter” is like any hunter we ever face he/she not our typical stalker hunter

This recruiter is making me feel very uneasy and on edge

[languid wing]

My question is are they good at poker

Wright still owes me 50$ from lat poker night

[fallen gate]

Is there any lore reason to "Keener Was Right" skin in the season, what do you think?

Hunter outfit is valid to the storytelling

And what's the thing Keener was right about

[sick lantern]

when he died in WoNY like "you have no idea what's coming" and it basically tied into the, less than half baked, 1/8th baked "Division bad corruption" narrative at the time
and basically McManus and all the new lore exists to justify all those narrative strings that meant nothing and did nothing at the time

so Keener was Right has gone from meme to sort of truth in hindsight

people liked to say he was right because he was past tense, considerably more charismatic and interesting than Sokolova and the Black Tusk

[fallen gate]

Keener was scary in the first part ngl

[gaunt ice]

Nope we barely see him like ever in it

All bark no bite

[dusk steppe]

Question, can I change my manhunt and do previous ones now, until puppeteers is fully available?

[languid wing]

Yes

Ya can only do the final mission of those manhunts though

So tbe final target of each manhunt

So Jupiter, hornet, bardon Faye Lewis General Anderson stovepipe

And last seasons main target

[gusty fulcrum]

"you have no idea whats coming"

martinez throwing a tantrum when we kill johnson

[sick abyss]

proceeds to die 3 minutes later

[lapis cobalt]

Isac's more superior W No questions asked pls!.

[lapis cobalt]

what you mean "Hunter's Valid" explain pls

[fallen gate]

Recruiter is a main target of a manhunt so giving hunter outfit in a season track makes sense, kind of

[lapis cobalt]

right

[sick lantern]

ok, can an American educate me
what’s so important about Chicago that so many people want it as the Div 3 location? what’s the element that stands out and works thematically
NYC is a symbol of American culture, completely iconic, and DC is the symbol of American politics- what does Chicago have?

[gusty fulcrum]

the cheese is under the sauce

[ivory solar]

Largest city in the Midwest and third largest city by population in the entire country. Basketball, hockey, and baseball teams have all deeply contributed to the history of sports. Not to mention control over Lake Michigan would probably be important in the Division universe. Think of it as a mini NY mixed with some LA

[sick abyss]

i think a desert nevada las vegas setting would be cool

[ivory solar]

Could also be place for Dark Hours part two since they have one of the largest airports there

And a game in Chicago could mean a return to snow

[meager dust]

i would love a las vegas setting with destroyed casinos, the small eiffel tower and the new sphere they have there

could probably be the best scenery and atmosphere ever

[sick lantern]

vegas is a good call

[languid wing]

I'd love a LA setting

[gaunt ice]

Isn’t that just every pizza

[gusty fulcrum]

Are you

Are you okay

no.

[full pulsar]

I like the idea of having it in philadelphia. have div2 end with washington being abandoned and the new capitol of the US would be philadelphia once again (that was the original US capitol)

[sleek plover]

Why don't we go xcom2 or mgsv so we fly around in our jet plane HQ and deployed around the nation?

[static crypt]

would love that too since i live 40 mins from there

[frail coyote]

I figured out who the recuiter is

its Ramos

[languid wing]

Proof?

What made you come to that conclusion?

[frail coyote]

mostly shitposting, genuinely think its probably Agent Johnson since they used the same voice actor, and the same voice for the possible unconfirmed recruiter at the end of the Mari mission, and for the VO work of Agent Johnson talking to Manny at the begining of this seasons cutscene

[gaunt ice]

is that the LMB guy with audio logs in div1 lmao

[frail coyote]

Nah it was the JTF dude we rescued on top of Lexington from the rikers

[sleek plover]

Damn I hate LMB

[mint citrus]

It might be Johnson? Dunno really.

[hardy oar]

What if McManus is the REAL Recruiter? And this fella we hunt is just a brainwashed puppet?

[frail coyote]

watch the recruiter we hunt down just being a robot controlled by McManus, and when we take the hunters mask off its just a TV Screen and we meet McManus face to face

1980's villan style

[sick lantern]

take the mask off and it’s actually an upright Warhound

[vale oak]

is this where i ask lore questions

[shadow depot]

Can you imagine if the Recruiter is Aaron Keener xD Like Hornet got revived as well and we thought he was dead...why not Keener as well...like we didn't even see what happened to his body at the end of WONY

[shadow depot]

Yeah

[vale oak]

why are there a bunch of black tusk vehicles around the white house

[shadow depot]

Oh it was part of the Season 11 final mission...the Black tusk attacked the White House

[vale oak]

wtf goddamn

an actual playable thing?

well,, playable at the time

[shadow depot]

Yeah you fight the Razorback that's in the back

Someone from Season 9 died in this one but I will not spolier

[vale oak]

well i dont think i played during season 9 so idc lol

[shadow depot]

xD

[gaunt ice]

Marauder with legs

It now crawls

MG Excelsus

[sick lantern]

interessant

https://reddit.com/r/thedivision/s/veWuyX9Y6S

[fallen gate]

Kinda sad that there's little to no activity in a secret solving discord for stuff like that

[halcyon iron]

Negative.

[gusty fulcrum]

Nah it's just some dude named Derek

[cold bramble]

Is there really a point for hunters?

I know there's a theory how they're like the 3rd wave clean uo crew because of the rogues but it doesn't make fucking sense they're targeting division agents

Obviously some of them are on a payroll with BT but still wtf, you're telling me they also helped the LMB???

Mcanus could've just told em "Hey, Orange is good but red is bad"

[sleek plover]

The point of hunters ts that they hunt those who are hunted by the hunters who hunt those who are hunted by the hunters who hunt those...

[sick lantern]

because they have an agenda, they weren’t killing Division agents solely because of rogues
the clean up crew theory never made sense

[sick lantern]

Hunters working with LMB isn’t canon

[gaunt ice]

3rd wave doesn't exist

its that simple

or maybe it does but it never happened idk ask that 1 manhunt target guy that is also Sokolova's brother

[nocturne arrow]

They work for McManus, and he doesn't like Agents with theoretically unlimited power NOT working under him.

[gaunt ice]

well yea thats the straight answer

[nocturne arrow]

In reality, the Hunter program is just his excuse to have some very effective tools under his command. Remember what is required for a State or government to exist. The monopoly of force.

[gaunt ice]

apparently they suck at their job

[nocturne arrow]

They're up against us, and we're considered the real deal. The ideal Agent of a standard the people backing McManus thought would never be achieved in reality.

We just make EVERYONE look bad in comparison.

[modest orbit]

How many novels are there? 4? Broken Dawn and the Operation Crossroad trilogy? are 2nd and 3rd books from Operation Crossroad worth getting?

[languid wing]

yes

[modest orbit]

to all questions?:)

[sick lantern]

New York Collapse interactive book, Broken Dawn, Operation Crossroads, Remission Graphic Novel, Extremis Malis comic
third book from Operation Crossroads, Hunted, isn't out yet

[stiff marten]

Haven’t played the game in over a year last I remember was the zombie update where you have to headshot the enemy or else they will come back to life. What’s new with this game started playing yesterday

[languid wing]

Alot

[stiff marten]

I see

[sick lantern]

This is the lore channel

it's a common issue go look around

[hearty cradle]

Sorry

[modest orbit]

dear agents, do we know the rough dimensions of an ISAC brick that is attached to our backpacks?

[fallen gate]

Is there any explanation to Keener leaving Theo to die?

[sick lantern]

oh yea filters

Keener's a selfish twat

Better

[fallen gate]

Theo seemed like the most interesting roque and was left out the most

[sick lantern]

He's an egomaniac who sees himself as "the smartest person in the room" always and therefore has a sociopathic disposition to using and disposing of other people

[fallen gate]

Eh, so it's Keener being Keener

Nothing new

[limpid monolith]

How do we feel about brainstorming and speculating Named and Exotic equipment here?

[sick lantern]

if you mean like flavour text and stuff not the technical gameplay details, should be fine

[limpid monolith]

I see.

I had my mind on creating a re-imagining of the Pakhan and Warlord from Div 1 into a single exotic Military RPK-74M.

It would feature the handguard of the Custom RPK and the stock of the PKM (that the Hyena Tanks use), while also sporting an after market drum mag, oversize compensator and reflex sight.

All of this would be plated in silver and accented with polished walnut grips.

It's working name would be Shashka.

[modest orbit]

why Shashka?

[sick lantern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM5EvTsRSfQ

(Shashka is a type of Russian sword)

[modest orbit]

its also a checker, its also another word for smoke grenade

[sick lantern]

..."checker"?

[modest orbit]

i just fail to see the connection between the name and the effect

[modest orbit]

you know, checkers, the game?

[limpid monolith]

The gun itself is rumored to be initially and haphazardly created by an urban scavenger, only getting proper treatment after he escaped from Washington DC.

[sick lantern]

"Russian draughts (also known as Shashki or Russian shashki)" I'm going to presume that's what you're referring to

weird reference but go off

[modest orbit]

oh yea, yea

[limpid monolith]

Might have more ideas before I drift to sleep tonight.

Another idea I have is a customized and exotic M16A3, complete with an M203 mounted heatshield handguard, ACOG scope, taped magazines and a custom retractable stock.

This custom M16A3 also makes liberal use of zip ties and olive green duct tape due to the immense battle damage it has sustained from continued use from multiple Dark Zone encounters. It's even lightly coated in residual DC-62 at the front end of the barrel and handguard.

Rumor has it that this weapon belonged to a particularly violent Rioter who had a nasty habit of raiding military surplus stores.

Working name: "Sweet Sixteen".

[gusty fulcrum]

the what

[modest orbit]

the brick

[nocturne arrow]

The glowing thing that hangs on our backpack shoulder, or strap.

[modest orbit]

you know, the small black box on the shoulder yea

[nocturne arrow]

The one where we fire pulses from.

[gusty fulcrum]

oh that one

[modest orbit]

yea

[nocturne arrow]

Foot long, inch wide, quarter inch thick, is my guess.

At least for the standard brick. Depending on the pulse variant, sizes may vary. But it's also able to be put on a belt, so it can't be too big, I'd think. For reference, Sawyer has her old brick hanging off her belt.

[modest orbit]

i thought Sawyer wasn't an agent?

[gusty fulcrum]

pretty sure sawyer is a retired agent

[ashen jungle]

@modest orbit They sell a replica of it online, so you might want to just look that up and copy it's size.

Sawyer was an Agent, yep.

[modest orbit]

wait, they do? i didn't know :(

[surreal hearth]

The recruiter has been watching us from the very beginning under McManus order probably extremely super way back when the dollar flu hit

I believe he was the one that gifted jack Bonney the classified watch which explains why ISAC called him “agent jack Bonney”

[surreal hearth]

The 3rd waves are a myth a legend very old rumors to cover up the real deal of the hunters

McManus would do everything in the U.S to commit the highest political agenda I wonder if eventually we will have to side with the rogues?

[cold bramble]

I hope if we can choose to be rogue in heartland or div3

[sick lantern]

Heartland has the day/night cycle thing so no on that front

[sick lantern]

as usual gonna have to hit you with the “source?” on that one chief

[gusty fulcrum]

its all speculation and theory

what do yall thnk the next manhunt mission will be

[sick lantern]

yea but paru always forgets to phrase it that way and sounds like a schizoposter lol

[gusty fulcrum]

lol

[modest orbit]

did the dollar flu spread to other countries?

[sick lantern]

yes, naturally

[gusty fulcrum]

theres actually comms in-game that go over this

the answer is: barely

[sick lantern]

I know

[gusty fulcrum]

it spread but did almost nothing to their economy

[sick lantern]

That’s not necessarily true

[gusty fulcrum]

thats what the comms said shrug

[sick lantern]

No it isn’t lol

[gusty fulcrum]

what comms are you referring to

[sick lantern]

the Langley Reports

[gusty fulcrum]

yeah thats what they said

[sick lantern]

it really isn’t

[gusty fulcrum]

do you have a transcription

[sick lantern]

Europe is generally only slightly better than the US with cities still being quite devastated, Japan is fishing in overdrive to make up for lack of imports, Saudi Arabia and other Middle Eastern countries are looking to trade oil for essential supplies, India is basically full anarchy due to the devastation wreaked on its incredibly dense populations, China is witnessing mass exodus from urban centres

Africa is the least affected

[gusty fulcrum]

did you actually grab a transcription or

[sick lantern]

I remember it quite well

[gusty fulcrum]

thats not what i remember so ill need to take a look when i get home

[sick lantern]

if the other major nations of the world had only slight economical disruptions, wouldn’t they be sending aid to the US lmao

[gusty fulcrum]

anyways

what do yall think the next main mission will be

[gaunt ice]

dawg entire countries collapsed

Russia is GTA server now

[signal thicket]

Is the capitol the last stronghold that hasnt been used as a manhunt mission?

[gusty fulcrum]

DUA lol

[signal thicket]

true

[gaunt ice]

China tryna act like they're fine but they're toast

[signal thicket]

So one of those 2 is my guess

[gusty fulcrum]

im personally placing bets on LI

[signal thicket]

LI?

[gaunt ice]

inb4 camp white oaks

[gusty fulcrum]

liberty island

[gaunt ice]

again

[signal thicket]

Oh yeah

[gusty fulcrum]

either LI or PP

[signal thicket]

They might save LI for the end of year manhunt

[gusty fulcrum]

i doubt it

[signal thicket]

or next season since dlc is coming for season 4

Or was it after season 4?

[gusty fulcrum]

they might send out a wacky wack mission like what they did with anderson

[gaunt ice]

there's like no real reason to go back to liberty island now

[gusty fulcrum]

it was season 4

[gaunt ice]

like what strategic advantage does it hold

[gusty fulcrum]

unless some creepy fuck that we dont know where he is and is pissing us off is on it

[signal thicket]

Hold over the river for convoys?

Like waterways are still a thing, as used by the outcasts

[gusty fulcrum]

literally has machine guns lining the island to take out any oncoming ferries

[gaunt ice]

that was the btsu hovercraft

[signal thicket]

Its basically a strongpoint for a major river

[gaunt ice]

it left with Schaffer when they pulled out

[gusty fulcrum]

...who do you think the black tusk are with

lmao

[gaunt ice]

there's like plenty other places to hold

[gusty fulcrum]

islands are always the best places to set base because you have completely flat surroundings

[gaunt ice]

tell that to Keener

[gusty fulcrum]

keener didnt have mass amounts of machine guns

[gaunt ice]

the black tusk did and guess who died

[gusty fulcrum]

all he had was some fucking boxes and a single SAM

[gaunt ice]

im pretty sure if he wanted to he could've just kamikaze the hovercraft with the marauder

[gusty fulcrum]

he couldnt because we'd push up further on him

if he didnt go for us then he would have been toast

[gaunt ice]

im saying its possible

[gusty fulcrum]

i have high suspicions its a NY mission though

[gaunt ice]

like currently there's no reason for them to take liberty again

is this like a baseless assumption

[gusty fulcrum]

ANNA

[gaunt ice]

ANNA is the watch

that we use

[gusty fulcrum]

no ANNA is the AI

ISAC isn't a watch

[gaunt ice]

on the watch that we use

why tf would Keener put the servers there

[gusty fulcrum]

ANNA had system integration

[gaunt ice]

why would we not know about it

[gusty fulcrum]

also this is a similar idea to why schaeffer was in coney island

he had no fucking reason to go there

[gaunt ice]

like if ISAC's servers are deep underground why isn't ANNA's server down there

[gusty fulcrum]

they arent that deep tbh lol

[gaunt ice]

the entire point is that its a setup

[gusty fulcrum]

not stovepipe, schaeffer

[gaunt ice]

he wanted to be taken down so he can switch sides

[gusty fulcrum]

why specifically coney though

there are so many better places to be takent down

[gaunt ice]

like?

[gusty fulcrum]

lincoln memorial

dcd

[gaunt ice]

nothing speaks tactical failure more than open field tho

[gusty fulcrum]

like... lincoln memorial

...and dcd lmao

[gaunt ice]

lincoln is effectively a fortress fym

[gusty fulcrum]

dcd isnt

capitol is also super open

[gaunt ice]

literally is,the Outcast literally set up a base there

you did not just say capitol

[gusty fulcrum]

what

did you want me to say capital

[gaunt ice]

its literally a stronghold wdym

like think about this

a bunch of trash burners with homemade flamethrowers took down the black tusk at coney

[gusty fulcrum]

but rikers also set up there so idk what the argument is

[gaunt ice]

you can see that they are quite dumb

[gusty fulcrum]

so are outcast for setting up in dcd

[gaunt ice]

they have a lab there to make viruses

you are literally comparing apples to orange

[gusty fulcrum]

they are both fruit?

[sick lantern]

you’ve not heard the expression?

[gaunt ice]

🤦‍♂️

stop trolling

[gusty fulcrum]

i have but its not a very good analogy

[gaunt ice]

you are grasping at straws rn

[gusty fulcrum]

wdym

[static crypt]

ima be real

i think the Recruiter is black

U can see his skin tone at the end of the season trailer

[gusty fulcrum]

?

[static crypt]

Assuming he's black, that helps narrow down who he could possibly be

if he's someone we know

[gusty fulcrum]

hes not

wouldnt make sense

[static crypt]

he's not someone we know ?

[gusty fulcrum]

i highly doubt it

[static crypt]

hm

i only say that because some other people have brought that up in older convos here

[gusty fulcrum]

if it was then theyd have wiped us off the face of the planet already

no need for all this stealthy shit

[static crypt]

this was the convo i was going off of

[gusty fulcrum]

i watched the stream and dont remember them ever saying that

i just remember them saying "its finally time you meet the recruiter"

[sick lantern]

It’s literally a fact

if they didn’t explicitly say “the Recruiter is someone you already know”, no one would be speculating on their identity

it wouldn’t matter

[gusty fulcrum]

wdym

[sick lantern]

wdym wdym

[gusty fulcrum]

im jsut not understanding what you said

[sick lantern]

the Recruiter’s identity only matters because it’s “someone we already know”

it wouldn’t be relevant otherwise

[gusty fulcrum]

when was this mentioned im saying

[surreal hearth]

The recruiter is a still far fetched without evidence

Let’s hope the next target we rescue gets us some intel or try to get more origin stuff from the descent

[sick lantern]

what?

[gaunt ice]

inb4 the recruiter is a jtf janitor named Bob

[surreal hearth]

A lone wolf as Anderson describes it

[gusty fulcrum]

beekeeper jeff

[surreal hearth]

Pull one pin and the rest of the pack scattering

[gaunt ice]

end of season namedrop:
“who are you??”
“mah name jeff”

cues laugh track

[gusty fulcrum]

who could it honestly be tho if its someone weve met before 🤔

[surreal hearth]

This feels like a bait tactic by sokolova

[gusty fulcrum]

think thonk thunk

[surreal hearth]

Luring the wolf out in the open like that for us to engage

Yes I’m calling the recruiter “lone wolf” cuss of his medallion

[sick lantern]

Johnson is the obvious answer

[surreal hearth]

I think I remember Felix and viper talking about escorting someone

[gusty fulcrum]

huh

[surreal hearth]

Then Felix mentioned kelso but it’s too early to confirm it

Johnson popping out on the blue is no coincidence as he’s marked as a suspect

[gusty fulcrum]

the johnson we killed or

[sick lantern]

yes the recruiter is a ghost.

[surreal hearth]

This particular agent Johnson

[surreal hearth]

Or a wolf

[sick lantern]

Same thing ofc

[gusty fulcrum]

isnt there multiple agent johnsons

[surreal hearth]

Ghost were turned into wolves many years ago

According to breakpoint buut

[sick lantern]

https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Brian_Johnson

[gusty fulcrum]

did we do any missions with him

[surreal hearth]

Imagine someone dangle a fresh turkey leg but noticed that it’s rigged with a puzzle then suddenly get ambushed by a wolf 🐺

Hunters are wolves that bites the Phoenix wings off

Feeling like a Ulysses at this point

[gusty fulcrum]

hunters are hunters that hunt because theyre hunters

[surreal hearth]

But they only hunt agents rogues or not but it’s the first hunter I see kilk someone who is not an agent

The only time a hunter was forced to kill a non-agent was captain Lewis

After that there was any more evidence of hunters being deranged serial killers

[gusty fulcrum]

@sick lantern

[surreal hearth]

Actually scratch that

One particular hunter back on Conley island that one was super bloodthirsty killed half the rikers

[gusty fulcrum]

that we already killed..?

[surreal hearth]

Overall when hunters are near agents surrounded by other non-agents they treat it as an obstacle or a “taunt of opportunity”

[gusty fulcrum]

so they are narcissists

[surreal hearth]

Yes

[gusty fulcrum]

so you think we are chasing a literal ghost

or more hornet-esque bullshit lmao

[surreal hearth]

It hard to call them ghost cuss we did kill so many of them in countdown

[gusty fulcrum]

rerun missions arent canonical though?

[surreal hearth]

Yes and no

[gusty fulcrum]

its not canonical to rerun a mission 50 times

[surreal hearth]

On a video game perspective I’d say we are just time looping ourselves thinking we’ve killed hunters on that run but on the canon side

[gusty fulcrum]

we are talking strictly canonically

[signal thicket]

I dont even know if any of the countdown missions are canon

Cause that means we basically killed 8 or so hunters in one mission

Even if we ignore repeats

[gusty fulcrum]

It is because of the comms tied to it

We just don't know when in time it happens

[signal thicket]

So everything including the 8 hunters we kill are canon?

[gusty fulcrum]

I'd assume so

There's nothing proven IH is canon but we assume it is

Dark hours has been proven canonical since WONY launched

[late void]

maybe they were hunters in training, since they don't get their own skills

[languid wing]

Hunters with training wheels

[gaunt ice]

only a chunk of them followed jon bernthal

ghosts is still a thing

[surreal hearth]

Hmmm interesting

[gaunt ice]

like thats the whole thing

you know him being fed up with US and shit

so he split up and start his own army with other ex Ghosts

but then he goes insane in the process and starts becoming the very thing he swore to destroy

wait isn't that just Shane from TWD and the Punisher(netflix ver)

both being jon bernthal roles

anyway ghost recon and division crossover :copium:

[languid wing]

maybe

[wicked gorge]

LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING

[gaunt ice]

lemme ask you something

obligatory head scratch

[gusty fulcrum]

wait

is the hunter organization in response to schaeffers comment at the end of white oak invaded about "stop sending me fucking clowns"

[cold bramble]

No, they were apart of Mcanus little group since Div1

Why they're operating is unknown

[median crag]

I think the Hunters seems more like a street name, since we know so little about them.

Because doesn't McManus refer to them as Wolves when talking to Nat?

And I have a theory that the Hunters are more like a control unit

[cold bramble]

Like someone said before

It doesn't make sense for them to be one if they're targeting every agent

[median crag]

I don't think they're targeting every agent, because they stalk us in Div 2, and in Div 1, all the dead agents in the DZ are missing their watches

They're definitely foggy on the details

[gusty fulcrum]

should have specified black tusk's relation with them

[median crag]

Seems like a mercenary type relationship, hired bodyguard

[gusty fulcrum]

so it could be the case

[cold bramble]

Definitely that

Sokolova probably saw how much shit we were getting done and when she traced the divison to cal then he probably offered her the "real shit" aka the hunters

[cold bramble]

I think it's because the hunter program was relatively new at the time of div1, assuming they weren't already active

So by Div2, hunters all over the country were probably getting their ass kicked and they sent out recruiters because I doubt out of all the country, we're the only ones actually hurting cals boys

So that's why they started recruitment, especially with bonney and the stalkers are seeing if we're fit

[median crag]

Going off of the reaction from killing one hunter, it seems like the other ones, like the ones we collect the masks from and the ones at pentco, they seem to be there for more of a challenge and less of actually be in-lore

Think of it like a 'we can't think of other things to make a challenge, give'em the spooky mask bois'

Kinda like some Dark Souls bosses, it wouldn't progress the story, but is there for gear, weapons, etc.

[cold bramble]

Probably that yeah

[gaunt ice]

no he's mad at the BT command for sending him literal GTA NPCs

[gusty fulcrum]

Worse than that

GTA NPCs don't fight back

[gaunt ice]

redfall npcs

[marsh sundial]

If you had to pick one agent to join r6s who would pick? Aaron feels like the easiest

[sick lantern]

none of them, siege is a clown outfit

[marsh sundial]

Even more of a reason for Mr "We live in a society" Aaron to join

[gaunt ice]

clown mask hunter it is then

[languid wing]

I think the blue hunter mask is already looks like a clown with its goofy aaa desgin

[gaunt ice]

Im just glad the recruiter has a normal mask

Like the only decorated hunter mask that gets a pass for me is the Christmas one cuz like

Come on

Its Christmas

[marsh sundial]

Might to spoiler hunting but has the "someone in the division going out of the way to recruit unstable people" plot line ever got more info?

It was started sometime during the warlords story

[sick lantern]

not really

in fact we've since had two pieces of media about a new recruit so far and they've both been stable individuals

[modest orbit]

two pieces of media?

[sick lantern]

Hearts on Fire and Recruited

[modest orbit]

oh, first two of Operation Crosstoads, right?

[sick lantern]

hearts on fire is the audio book

[modest orbit]

oh

[marsh sundial]

I need to dig up the collectable but basically it was two recruiters deciding who got into the program and one was pushing for the warlords

[sick lantern]

WoNY has shit writing so I give them no credence

[modest orbit]

oh, you might be thinking of psych evals of Conley and other dude that isn't Theo or Dragov.. they hoped Conley or dude just.. won't break

[marsh sundial]

That's the one, there was a male saying they ain't it but a female pushing for them anyway

[sleek plover]

If Mcmanus wins

what will he call himself

emperor of new American Empire?

[gusty fulcrum]

He won't

[limpid monolith]

More bedtime Exotic weapon lore:

Flashpoint
"Don't breathe in the fumes. If you do, don't strike a match." - Former Cleaner Gunsmith
An assault rifle and product of a possibly unhinged gunsmith's efforts, this ruggedly built Police M4 has seen much action and conflict in extreme heat environments, evidenced by the scorch marks left on its barrel and handguard.

Featuring the best scavenged M4 barrel, M16 stock, and holographic sight that the Cleaner's armory has to offer, a jury rigged grenade launcher built from M203 and M320 grenade launcher parts is affixed and taped to the underside of the handguard to complete its dangerous appearance.

The gunsmith who used this haphazard prototype also used grenade rounds filled with some of the so called Greek Fire incendiary that was previously used on the Cleaner assault on the Meret Estate.

An unfortunate cartridge malfunction, however saw the quick demise of the gunsmith, engulfing him in purple flames as a misfired round exploded in the chamber. Despite this accident, the weapon remained largely undamaged, and was recovered by a Cleaner relief patrol the day following the incident.

The weapon's custom grenade launcher rounds have since been replaced with less volatile napalm payloads as a preventative measure against the Greek Fire incident.

[gaunt ice]

Ah yes the Afghanistan m4

Featuring holo sight and underbarrel GL

[fallen gate]

It seems that new secret hunter mask is confirmed to be puzzle specific again

There's a new video about hunter masks in division twitter which says that we haven't figured out all of the puzzles yet

It seems that's the time to revive div2 secret hunting discord

[languid wing]

There's a new hunter mask?

[gaunt ice]

Yea there’s a new hook in the nyc hunter mask wall

Though iirc there is one more NYC secret that has yet to be solve a while ago

[static crypt]

im pretty sure that hook is for the Recruiter's mask

[languid wing]

I doubt we would get his mask

If anything his poncho is what I want

[fallen gate]

We all think so, but why would ubi tease us with a video about hunter masks and say "there's still unsolved mysteries"?

And since the start secret hunter masks always go on the stand

[static crypt]

I assumed it was just one of those typical gameplay tweets that devs put out, y'know?

Plus they specifically said 25 hunter masks. The 12 DC and 13 WONY that we've found already.

[gusty fulcrum]

but they never mentioned the number of hunters 🤔

there could be more maskless hunters

[steel radish]

maskless hunters is like watchless agents

[gusty fulcrum]

i meant dont drop a mask

[steel radish]

oh that makes more sense

[static crypt]

aren't the countdown hunters the only ones that don't drop masks?

[gusty fulcrum]

we cant say for sure since its clear we have undiscovered secrets in this game

we're working on it though

[urban musk]

I'm pretty sure ISAC is learning as time progresses.

let me explain that theory.

it may not be ANNA (Which is way more advanced) BUT, who said ISAC doesn't have learning algorithms that can deduce information?

In-fact, Faye Lau killed the president after he committed literal treason. and her status was still an "Agent." I believe ISAC is smarter than we give him credit for.

however, that doesn't mean he cannot be tricked, after all if humans can be tricked, who's to say an AI can't be?

[static crypt]

But Lau was already rogue when she killed him? She was already with Black Tusk at that point.

[urban musk]

Nope, she was a double agent, if you listened to the comms.

she was deep undercover in the BTSU so she could kill that damned traitor Ellis.

and ISAC probably deduced that information early on.

[static crypt]

But she was still marked as rogue though

[urban musk]

"Intelligent System Analytic Computer." Intelligent is the keyword here, ISAC most likely either learned that she was deep undercover either after she was dead, or was pretending to use that rogue protocol (but wasn't actually rogue just using some trickery to fool the BTSU).

"Intelligent System Analytic Computer." Analytics is another thing, what's the probability of someone like Lau going rogue for real?

if I saw some analytics of rogue agents, they either get manipulated into it, or get some form of mental distress and hatred.

I dunno, I just think ISAC is getting smarter due to being intelligent and using a shit ton of analytics learned from everywhere. why do we act like he's just a dumbass computer that barely knows anything?

ISAC has never failed the agents who stay on mission. I say he's the best companion we've ever had. and he's learning! I trust ISAC more than I trust any damn agent. cause ISAC can't stab you in the back, agents can.

what do you guys think?

[static crypt]

This is exactly what Keener and his agents were trying to hit at during WONY

We were shown that ISAC can be manipulated (ex. Parnell tricking ISAC into thinking a random corpse was him, or Keener messing with ISAC during Liberty Island)

I mean yeah, I can understand where you're coming from with ISAC learning and everything. But it also makes you think about what it considers as "good" and "bad".

[cobalt plover]

What if...the real friends are the Rogue Agents we met along the way

[peak junco]

Do we know what ANNA stands for?

[cold bramble]

The black tusk have tech that marks rogues as regular agents

[cold bramble]

He literally marked an agent rogue because he needed supplies from a store

[urban musk]

when, and why? division agents can loot whatever the hell they want?

[cold bramble]

If I remember correctly it was in one of the books

[sick lantern]

nope

[cold bramble]

Damn fr?

[sick lantern]

pretty sure it was in leaks which we're not supposed to talk about.

[cold bramble]

Ohhh

Shit ima look into it again

[cold bramble]

Wait wasn't there a descent comm? Or was that a leak

About the breaking into a pharmacy and the agent being marked rogue

Or potentially it could

[sick lantern]

unless it's been added by now that was in a leak

[urban musk]

look, if the book hasn't been released yet. it's not cannon.

[cold bramble]

Wasn't a book but I agree

[urban musk]

also I said ISAC is learning, he was pretty damn dumb earlier, like when kajika left the DZ after the retreat. that shouldn't have marked him rogue, but he could've used his damn brain and asked the JTF to pardon him, I mean let's be real. if I was marked rogue for a BS reason and I was supposed to protect people, I would not disappear and start killing Mofos.

[cold bramble]

He might be a leaner but isac is easily manipulated its hilarious

[urban musk]

I would've asked for a trial or pardon. and I would've definitely won the trial and get pardoned.

[cold bramble]

Wha trial? Every rogue is a kill on sight

[urban musk]

ever heard of surrendering?

the SHD cannot kill surrendering persons.

[cold bramble]

I'm curious, not denying but where is that stated?

[urban musk]

nobody in the US can.

Also, the rules of engagement may be different, but I doubt SHD agents can kill surrendering agents.

[cold bramble]

JTF isn't SHD, seeing how in division 1, agents were getting killed it would've been them who saw and would've killed anyone with a red watch

[urban musk]

it was implied when Faye Lau interogated a rouge agent that was in the BTSU

[cold bramble]

Oh yeah

[urban musk]

JTF isn't SHD but the SHD is technically JTF.

[cold bramble]

No not really.

Oh wait

[urban musk]

Yes. they can coordinate with JTF forces. if they weren't apart of the JTF they would be brushed off.

[cold bramble]

Nvm I misread that

[urban musk]

and most likely told (GFY)

[cold bramble]

Still, the JTF would've shot any rogue, since they don't abide by the same rules as the agents

[urban musk]

Dude, If you have your hand up and your weapon on the ground, why would the JTF shoot at you?

[cold bramble]

Again, it's stated that every rogue has committed treason and abandoned their duty, it's a kill on sight

[urban musk]

JTF is emergency service personnel, and city workers. the SHD has different ROE but the JTF (since it's mostly Nat Guard and LEO). Most likely have the same ROE like they did before the outbreak.

[cold bramble]

Theo also almost killed keener when he saw his watch

[urban musk]

People can get pardoned after they are accused of treason. It's VERY uncommon though.

there was a case where the US navy falsely accused a sailor of treason by arson, and he was pardoned.

also the US navy cannot stop screwing over their personnel.

that was off topic but whatever.

[cold bramble]

The US is in shambles, state governers and officials were hiding out, in what way would they get a pardon?

[urban musk]

there was still a court system. ridgeway was accused of treason and he got an trial.

and I'm pretty sure there is still a court system.

if there's police in JTF ranks, why wouldn't a court system exist?

there's a difference between gameplay and lore.

gameplay, yes the JTF shoot on sight. In lore however, they take precations so they don't screw up and kill somebody who doesn't need to be killed.

[cold bramble]

True true but idk, it's wacky

Makes you wonder, if they were able to get out of the dz AFTER the wall was built you'd think they were able to revoke the status on Div1 stations but I think that wasn't very common knowledge

[urban musk]

the whole idea of a bioweapon going off is wacky to most, and tbh, since an actual 95% kill rate bioweapon hasn't been released we don't know if real world events would coincide with the division or be very different.

[cold bramble]

Mhmm

[urban musk]

If I were to answer that question, the DZ wall was not maintained that well, so the walls could probably be either jumped over or there could be holes in it.

I mean, there's some DZ entrances where you climb up and jump down from the wall.

[cold bramble]

This is true, there's a patch where a wall that's supposed to be heavily protected let's random reporters through it

[cold bramble]

Well aware of that but I'm talking about how they could've just revoled their status, but ofc that could've been a gameplay thing and there weren't such things YET

Since we do know that the BT have tech to hide their rogue status

[urban musk]

well, that goes back to the point of the JTF not killing on sight in lore, April Kelleher (I think that's spelled correctly). was entering the DZ and she was told the area was under martial law. but the JTF let her through anyways, because she was an important journalist at the time.

and she was looking for a doctor who might've had the answers to the break the Virus' effects.

[cold bramble]

What does that have to do with the kill on sight though? She was just a reporter after all

[urban musk]

that's what I mean, she wasn't a threat.

[cold bramble]

Well yeah she wasn't a rogue, and she was outside the wall

[urban musk]

the JTF will not shoot someone who isn't an imminent threat.

[cold bramble]

True true

[urban musk]

this applies to rogue agents too. if they are surrendering with their weapons away from them, why would the JTF shoot them? they aren't a threat at that point.

if they run back to the weapon and try or go ahead and grab it, well... they get got let's just say that.

it's not all black and white, there's shades of gray.

just like everything in life.

[cold bramble]

Guess so

At the same time the reason lau didn't kill the rogue immediately was because it was someone she knew

At the same time, she was starting to become disillusioned with the division because of the death of her sister and possibly out division 1 agent

(There's a point in WONY in the beginning where Faye lau has her hand over the face of a dead default divison 1 agent)

[urban musk]

let's be careful here, our division one agent is a grey slate, meaning you make thier lore.

[cold bramble]

Yeah yeah

[urban musk]

the Div 2 has new presets for new agents and also the existing div 1 presets. so you could either continue as your div 1 agent or continue as a new one.

[cold bramble]

??? Aren't they completely different presets?

[urban musk]

No, there's new and old.

[cold bramble]

It's also official stated that the agents are different in both games

[urban musk]

no it's not.

[cold bramble]

Wdym new and old I'm not following

[cold bramble]

It is though

[urban musk]

if you played the div 1 there's either 7 or 8 character presets. in the div 2 if you look closely those same presets are in the game too, just graphically updated.

[urban musk]

where.

[urban musk]

and it's not just the faces, the hairstyles are there too.

so, you could continue your div 1 agent's story (I did because he's too highly trained to get killed by some scattered factions). or you could say his plot armor went away and he died from whatever.

[cold bramble]

No nvmnvm I need to reread on alot of old things

With the wony they added some from the 1st game

[urban musk]

some what?

[cold bramble]

I'll find it but the devs stated that out division 1 and 2 agents are separate people

The divison 1 agent was also recalled to DC

[cold bramble]

Faces and tattoos

[urban musk]

kind of like OUR div 2 agent?

[cold bramble]

What?

[urban musk]

recalled to DC?

[cold bramble]

Yes

[urban musk]

and the devs officially stated It's a GRAY slate.

not a blank slate.

[modest orbit]

what's the difference?

[cold bramble]

I mean if it's your head canon that the divison 2 agent is the same as the 1st then ok wtv, but they've stated they're different people

Again, I'll find it

[urban musk]

gray slate is whatever you want to happen. the blank slate is a new story. something along those lines.

[urban musk]

please do. because if it's true, then why do they have the same character face presets from the Div 1.

[cold bramble]

Identical brother/sister of the agent

/s

[modest orbit]

wait, do you have lore for your agent? how much?:)

[urban musk]

and why would they even contradict what they said about the gray slate earlier.

[cold bramble]

Wouldn't be surprised

They've retconned a few things in the story already

[urban musk]

my agent was a police officer in Fort Wayne Indiana, he was activated and called to new york, he completes the div 1 story and continues the div 2 story.

[cold bramble]

It went from theo making anna from scratch to the feds making it instead

[urban musk]

if they retcon the "Gray slate" then that'd piss off plenty of people.

So massive better not do that shit.

[cold bramble]

You bet your ass they would

[urban musk]

we've been through enough shit.

if they make the div 3 a new blank slate, I would be annoyed. but if that's what they say is gonna happen, I can't argue. but if they retcon the div 2's grey slate into some new agent. then they're changine the story and they are screwing over the people who built their div 2 character's lore over the div 1.

and I know plenty of people who did just that.

there's plenty of people in this server who have built their character's lore starting from the div 1's story.

[modest orbit]

you must really like the game to do the whole backstory stuff, huh

[urban musk]

BUT I will not deny there's plenty of people who made a new story for their div 2 agent.

[urban musk]

well, yeah. I played when the div 1 beta first came out lol.

I'm a sucker for the game's lore.

[modest orbit]

oh wow

[urban musk]

and I didn't hear any lore that says the div 1 agent died or didn't. so it's up to us to decide what happened.

that's the beauty of this story.

and game setup.

[cold bramble]

Atleast you can sleep tonight knowing they possibly retconned the fact that they were different agents

But imo, saying that making them different agents ruins the game is a bit much

It's very clear that our agents aren't immortal (deposite the plot armor) and alot of them die pretty damn easily

[urban musk]

i didn't say it ruins the game for everyone, I said it ruins the game for ME and my friends, and some people in THIS server.

[urban musk]

Like I said earlier, you can make your own story about what happened to your div 1 agent.

[cold bramble]

Didn't say for everyone, ofc not not everyone but eh idk imo that's just a bit wack but hey, head canons are a thing

[cold bramble]

Mhm mhm

[marsh sundial]

I don't like the div1 agent is d2 agent fandon, returning to NY for the run back against Keener is good but that also means you left the NY BoO to get dunked on while you was gone

[urban musk]

well, if the SHD network goes down and there's coords to DC you're saying the most badass agent wouldn't try to figure out what happened and try to fix it?

of course, that's just my headcannon, but I understand where you're coming from.