#division-universe

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wicked gorge
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Yeah true

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Im more curious about that cutscene tho

vast grove
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there are two options, 1) Mari is on the black tusk side 2)She is well brainwashed to do exactly what they want (maybe use mortars on civilians)

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either way we will be marked as enemy

wicked gorge
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For some reason I think it’s gonna be some black ops bullshit where she’s been brainwashed and has a trigger

vast grove
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yeah she was called asset

wicked gorge
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It’s interesting the more you think about it

vast grove
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only think that is weird... that our character know that somebody gave her comm

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and there was friendly (green) hunter at the end of the mission

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and our character doesnt give a damn 😄

wicked gorge
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Nah he’s a mute he knows but ain’t telling no one

vast grove
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yeah

wicked gorge
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It is interesting tho seeing a different side of the black tusk

fringe gale
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since next season is abt rescuing Vik, it seems like the public perception won't be too much of a focus for that season, so my thinking is that whilst Nat trys to make the Division and the JTF look bad, we have to find things that would make the BT look bad in return

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but then again these are the same guys that tried blowing the White House into ashes so if they somehow manage to get DC to hate us for what we do, the city is finito

fringe gale
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so i dont feel too bad

gaunt ice
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You fell for their act

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Its all a PR stunt

fringe gale
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BT pr team puttin up Lebron numbers this season

gaunt ice
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The dead giveaway would be the part right after the big open helipad stuff

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If you notice the second helicopter was just taking off super slowly despite there being a firefight right down there

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They want the refugees to see the slaughter to paint the “oh yea the orange wristwatch people are evil” narrative

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That or its a bug idk

fringe gale
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had me doin the mitchell bounty talking about some "recalibrate yourself, not just your weapon" what u want me to feel bad??

vast grove
# fringe gale i doubt it ngl

you still forgetting there will be DLC (that is called black diamond - black tusk symbol), so it would make sense if at the end of last season they made us look super bad to control people and we have to stop them in their main base in new dlc (we can even have rogue status for the dlc because you cannot fast travel back to DC anyway during DLC)

surreal hearth
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It’s time

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Time to end this rescue operation

mint citrus
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So they're going full Far Cry/Spec Ops?

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"Do you feel like a hero yet?"

nocturne arrow
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I still want Capt. Walker's drip, so I'd be amendable to a Spec Ops the Line apparel event.

mint citrus
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Can't want to get this one done

ashen jungle
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Let's hope they don't try and pull a "there's obviously a very easy way around the solution but we're going to try and make you feel bad for doing it even though you as a player can see an alternate and we forced you anyway".

sick lantern
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The alternative is to close the game

fringe gale
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the amount of times they've made the BT evil, im not moved atp

ashen jungle
# sick lantern The alternative is to close the game

In Spec Ops? There was a very clear path down the side of the tents area, and if not the border was a simple fence with concrete bases that I'm sure 4 trained spec ops soldiers could shift enough to squeeze through.
Point being, I'm happy to feel bad for something I've done if I don't notice the railroading, but 90% of video games don't really show it that well.

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It's the eternal problem with game writing.

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I thought WONY was going in that direction too, but it managed to avoid the whole topic and was better for it.

sick lantern
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the choice is to give up and go home, or keep going “because you have to”

ashen jungle
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Yes thank you I know what the story of the game is. It's not the place to discuss how well they did or didn't handle it here anyway.
My point is that I hope div2 avoids the entire situation because from my perspective, it's always done poorly.

surreal hearth
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I knew it my prediction came true

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I knew it was gonna take place in the Manning national zoo

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Natalya is pulling spec ops the line tactics on us

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I’m pulling out my old shotgun cuss I know there’s a hunter in that area

gaunt ice
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im feeling very heroic thank you very much

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you're not gonna pull any strings on my heart when you execute people in broad daylight on a daily basis

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its gonna take more than a PR glowup to make me feel bad about PMCs

ashen jungle
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Plus, their outfits just are all so bland, there's no style to it.
"ooh it's all in black, how very 2003 of you".

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You think someone who owns an international arms brand would be able to afford a stylist or two.

gaunt ice
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you take that back black is still cool

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black tusk just looks silly

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in their defense its not easy to find a stylish when you're a multinational PMC in the middle of a pandemic with the side gig being part time terror organization

ashen jungle
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They should've hired Hugo Boss, they know exactly how many skulls to add to a uniform before it becomes a little gauche.

gaunt ice
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white tusk tho

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all white is always cool especially when somehow they are always at tip top clean state

vast grove
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btw this was the first time we heard the hunter with normal voice line 😄

spare arrow
sick lantern
gaunt ice
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is it actually the hunter tho

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its just speculation

vast grove
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yeah you are right it could be random BT soldier

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but why would not be there Black tusk soldier in subtitles (every other person who speaks has his name or faction as headline)

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he even use his own blue smoke when you use your flare (and he is watching you and has green marking as ally)

gaunt ice
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can chuck it up to oversight

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normally if a random grunt is talking the name of the person speaking would be something like "Black Tusk soldier" or "Outcast technician"

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it can totally be the Hunter though but we don't have concrete evidence

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it can just be a Black Tusk soldier giving a watch to Mari as a distraction/diversion

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remember how at the very end a soldier reports back "the Asset is in place"?

vast grove
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asset is mari

gaunt ice
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well yea

vast grove
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he didnt give her watch. he only gave her comm earpice same as you gave POTUS

gaunt ice
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i forgot about that,still,the comm is used as diversion

vast grove
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not in this situation. they clearly wanted you to save her because she is part of the bigger plan.

fringe gale
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if mari ends up being the spy

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Manny gon need to handle business

vast grove
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maybe they promised her somthing for destroying division

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I dont think ti will be black and white... this game likes to play with shades of grey (nobody is good character and nobody is evil without reason)

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but I would bet that solution will be in DLC

fringe gale
surreal hearth
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So whoever gave that division comms

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Did a hunter defected?

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Also does anyone feel like spec ops the line reference?

surreal hearth
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Been listening to the audio logs regarding to therapy sessions and agent kelso

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The doctor who’s also a shrink knows people psychological problems and he heals them with talks I’m wonder if he was the one that healed Gonzales before a true son sniper took her head off?

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But……now I’m kinda guilty for kelso….after what happen with lau.

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Kelso left for New York not because she needed to fill the vacuum for rhode and Benitez it’s because she now has families there. She really didn’t want to belong in DC anymore

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Also there’s a lot to unpack

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It looks like Natalya is engaged of psychological warfare but at the same time she needed to establish new infrastructures when she took over the zoo as well as evacuation civilians out of that place when we strike first

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She’s willing to turn our people against us and besides do you know that a human body cannot sustain for 2 or 3 years of ocean stink while living in a hovercraft?

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I’m guessing she needed to create newer infrastructure plus due to Anderson and the true sons it kinda makes it difficult to keep both factions maintained and stabled

gaunt ice
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i call for PR bullshit

surreal hearth
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This whole kidnapping is probably like “hey imma just borrow your people for a few weeks to sort out some stuff” situation

gaunt ice
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the black tusk can take over DC every week,we push them back and they'll be back for it always

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they don't lack resource they're trying out new tactics

surreal hearth
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That’s what psychological warfare is about

gaunt ice
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gaining legitimacy through the people's support is easier than taking the Division head on

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so the infrastructure thing is just a load of bull

surreal hearth
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Legitimacy is vital for the division to sustain and survive without it we collapse but she’s also creating leverage on those civilians to hand over the key of the White House, DC over to the black tusk as the true military rights

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I’d say fuck her

gaunt ice
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i wont lie hearing 2 people boutta smash is not something i expect to hear from a division game

surreal hearth
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Wanna know the biggest coward of nat?

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Remember that hunter from the trailer? He didn’t even bother to show up and sent us only a large number of tactical strategic BTSU which by the way I was forced to do with backup this time

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And I meant tactical strategic because the game is getting too smart and it’s placing specific black tusk unit types to catch us off guard

gaunt ice
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i mean i wouldn't call a strategist a coward

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you don't send a strategist to the front line

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i still don't get how all of this is connecting to the big lore

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like what's mcmanus doing

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it feels like we're dealing with the villain of the week type shit like this is a spiderman tv show/cartoon

gaunt ice
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bro this fucking audio log

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i cant bro

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Manny's so dumb

fringe gale
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that brother is lost

gaunt ice
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how does this guy even pull woman

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where is his rizz even coming from

fringe gale
gaunt ice
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Lewis is literally there

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granted he's dead but we didn't know that in advance

surreal hearth
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Manny was having love to Mari too many times

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The worst part is those particular civilians that black tusk were evacuating are mostly either pregnant women or regular patients we just raided a black tusk hospital settlement

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This will cause massive shift blames against the divisions in the future

fringe gale
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if they manage that ima be baffled

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like these civilians do remember the BT be holding public executions in broad daylight right

surreal hearth
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We’ve been seeing public executions by the black tusk now suddenly they are helping and evacuating civilians in a tech hospital?!

fringe gale
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they not slick at all

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like all we need to do is record a execution and bam, they're the bad guys again

surreal hearth
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There’s one problem

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Natalya has some kind of automated evidence wipe in place to prevent our SHD tech surveillance from gathering any footage

fringe gale
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true

surreal hearth
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I mean she has watchers everywhere including in the castle

fringe gale
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but im curious as to how this pr thing is gonna play out bc it surely wont work for long

surreal hearth
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Chances are if the next season becomes a shift blame then ISAC would either be shutdown or assumed control by ANNA

fringe gale
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hmmm

surreal hearth
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afterall ISAC is part of the three networks that McManus created

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The separating is a temporary thing but combined with ANNA and diamond in the future

snow tulip
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so is the "asset in place "manny or are they refering to mari

snow tulip
# gaunt ice Its all a PR stunt

yea you can easily tell how they are talking to mari all softspoken and calm

they are just trying to paint themselves as them helping communities and civilians

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the more i think about the brainwashed option the more it could be that

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why do i also feel mari is gonna use manny lol

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ok manny is gonna do smth in the next seasons
hes gonna turn

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it all makes sense now
why next season is called puppeteers

surreal hearth
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Natalya makes everyone her puppets, kelso is in NYC dealing with McManus probably, and all of us unaware on her nat is gonna “execute order66” on the division fast

snow tulip
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kelso most likely will play a part in s3 and 4

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cuz they are centered around NYC

vast grove
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So in reality black tusks are not looking as bad as we see them after 300 invasions.

surreal hearth
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Jesus Christ

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300 invasions in a row and they all failed

cursive tapir
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im assuming you gotta run the final mission twice to get the last comm?

cursive tapir
ember temple
ember temple
snow tulip
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yea now that ive had more time to think itd be too obvious for it to be mari

sleek plover
clever plank
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Theyre worse than that, theyre mercenaries

mint citrus
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Welp, the civilians running from us felt like a slap in the face

marble dawn
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Are we the baddies?

sick lantern
fringe gale
gaunt ice
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can we pin that message

spare arrow
solid python
sick lantern
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That's not true

snow tulip
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feel like as someone said before idk if it was here or somewhere else
next season should be focused on us finding things to make sure BT image stays tainted to prevent them from pushing their phony pr of them doing good for the communities and civilians

gaunt ice
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are we the bad guys🫱 🫲 can we pin that message
no

spare arrow
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🤝

gaunt ice
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i cant find the handshake emote

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oh wait nvm there’s a search bar for emotes there

sick lantern
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if she still has them, I'd be checking Mari's "Division comms" for bugs

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or invasive AIs...

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cus unless there's some hyperfast OP MKULTRA stuff going down I doubt Mari could be brainwashed to be an asset that fast

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then again this is TD2 so it's entirely possible herp de derp

snow tulip
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has anyone thought abou the hunter that was spying on us"the recruiter"being the same that gives mari the division comms

i find it extremely weird that whenever that person is speaking there is no speaker name in the subtitles

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the more i thought about it
i initially thought it was surely mari herself the asset, but then i wondered that is the most obvious on the nose choice to be the asset.
could very well be the doc we rescued, could even maris baby and if it is maris baby or in some way related to mari ,i feel like we aren't gonna see Manny for long ,and whatever happens to him will directly corelate with kelso moving back to d.c and stepping up as the de facto leader around that community

silent imp
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I think the asset its something more literal. The ecography that they gave mari is probably a tracker....or a backdoor into the castle's defenses

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besides that, something tells me that BT is running a base elsewhere, either in Camp White Oka, which would be comedic as hell, or Ann Arbor or Raven Rock, somewhere where they have .... more available manpower/resources that we dont

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Ann Arbor being where Dr. Kandell first began making the antivirals. Would make sense for them to make a base there since they took tchernenko and the bioreactor from the pentagon

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and Raven Rock because most US congresspeople and, most likely, presidential cabinet is holed up in there according to a couple audio collectibles

snow tulip
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raven rock would make alot of sense

silent imp
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and in raven rock, most likely, there's a SHD node

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if not a Ortiz Robotics AI Master Node

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all connected to McManus' master watch

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who is the most likely candidate for president according to the 25th amendment

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since i assume that everyone else between ellis and mcmanus is dead

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and by the time we get there, it will pretty much be a reverse of the game's vanilla endgame, where now WE are the invaders and BT are the ones under siege

snow tulip
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schaefer needs to wake up ASAP

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alot of people are forgetting schaefer has vital information for the division
And i feel like he will play a big part in s3 or beyond

silent imp
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I think that's what he'll tell them:
"ayo so uhhhh....faye killed ellis, he has master shd watch, mcmanus is president now so F lmao/ayo there's this other random guy that came out of nowhere that is now the president and sokolova trynna jump him to make mcmanus president lol"

snow tulip
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this is all probably setting smth high stakes for the dlc

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feel like s3 will be vital

silent imp
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I believe the dlc will be like WONY. New area and 2 new factions, level cap is 50 and here are some new skills/rehashes from div1 like portable cover, smart cover or support station for some reason. For candidate areas, its either San Francisco, rural Maryland aka some small town or something similar to heartland OR raven rock/ann arbor

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that + the specialization overhaul

snow tulip
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the dlc is confirmed to be brooklyn

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the big hint was the brooklyn bridge on the roadmap and then the devs confirmed it

silent imp
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well. still new stuff to explore, wont complain. but one guarantee is that the specialization remake will be included in it. you just know they will

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besides that, no more guesses on the dlc

snow tulip
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i was more wondering how story wise will it play out that we need to go to brooklyn
thats why i think s3 is vital since its centered around NY and uncovering more about keener

silent imp
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my theory: alliance with the rogues time

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and with it, something akin to warframe's syndicate system

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but that's a bit too wild

sick lantern
silent imp
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McManus commissioned it to Ortiz Robotics, alongside the master watch

sick lantern
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oh I’ve not listened to the newest ones

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iirc in the first or second they say like “remote servers in alaska or {dakota or some shit}” seemingly referencing that Ortiz robotics would set up the cores, if this is a separate thing then the sense of the SHD network is going to drop into negative numbers

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moreso than it already has

covert hull
silent imp
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as...little as deceit spoke actually

covert hull
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Deceit just mumbled & growled when you encounter him at Coney.

snow tulip
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Yea this would be the first one that actually talked

gaunt ice
gaunt ice
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the jtf nor the division has proven to be incapable of holding areas that have been cleared out so enemies retaking it is totally possible

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like sure its not the exact Wyvern situation but i can imagine them holding multiple areas around the city that we don't know of

vast grove
# gaunt ice i doubt public executions and invasions are a one time thing

yeah it is... Invasions are pre NY lore... Lore and gameplay choices are separate things. The whole dynamic map thing is gameplay desing and not lore thing (thats the reason why in main game if you capture something it stays captured). We basically defeated all our enemies in area around us and their leadership.

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Or you really think that we killed whole hyena leader ship and capture all their CP and they are just respawning in one door? 😄 yeah sounds like lore reality :D:D no realy reset CP is realy not magic lore button

sick lantern
gaunt ice
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im talking about enemies reoccupying in the older areas that we cleared through

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the Division cannot defend key locations like the SHD node under Jefferson or the Potomac bunker

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by that we can also conclude that they can't protect places ike Washington hotel,capitol building,etc

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so what's to say enemies will NOT reoccupy it

vast grove
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thats why they are trying to get these position in manhunt missions

gaunt ice
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we only arrive at said locations AFTER its been taken over and ONLY when it poses a threat

vast grove
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they are trying to get CP in area and main manhunt mission

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no executions and so on

gaunt ice
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fym no executions like if the black tusk controls a region and they register everyone including civvies related to jtf as hostile they sure as hell are executing people

vast grove
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no they are not

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there is even echo in one of the building

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where they are next to civilian and they said let her go no reason ro shoot

gaunt ice
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that's one instance out of like a couple dozen people killed

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plus Bardon isn't inherently evil,cuz yes that is him and his BTSU

vast grove
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bro you are clearly wrong on this one and I am not here to shatter your tinfoil hat... so have a nice day

gaunt ice
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"you are clearly wrong" bro one of the side activities in manhunts are public executions and hostage rescue

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that takes place in DC

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nice way to ball when you're losing an argument

vast grove
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because you had to fill a bar to be able to do the main mission of manhunt

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jesus christ thats the gameplay of this game

gaunt ice
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i do not see a reason why bad guys can take over CPs multiple times but not execute people

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infact head to NYC,black tusk are still executing people there

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so your point about "pre wony" is null

vast grove
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in nyc there is only one mission with black tusks

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liberty island

gaunt ice
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black tusk roams NYC too

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what are you on

vast grove
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after campaign 😄

gaunt ice
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and?they still kill people there so what's your point

sick lantern
gaunt ice
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infact black tusk only appearing in NYC executing people post wony reinforces my point about them committing war crimes being a real time thing and not a gameplay thing

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gameplay thing is the repeat of invaded missions
real time events are executions and CP takeovers

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that's not hard to grasp,well unless you work for the Black Tusk's PR department

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"no we do not execute civilians,that was a group hallucination"

vast grove
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You are right. As I already said Have a nice day 🙂 and enjoy gaming

sick lantern
gaunt ice
sick lantern
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that’s genuinely how some people think lmao ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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they say it about keener and the btsu

vast grove
sick lantern
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They are absolutely that bad

gaunt ice
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they never followed up on Acosta's story did they

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what is Black Tusk's vision as stated in the book?

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just "world domination"?

sick lantern
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well they didn’t go too into it beyond “dominate the US for their cabal (we haven’t figured out what character that’ll be yet)” then again neither did the game for the longest time

gaunt ice
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that is some mad dedication to just casual villain-ism

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like the way its worded makes it sound like some sort of insane cult disguised as a PMC

sick lantern
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well replace cult with extremist military junta and that’s pretty much true

gaunt ice
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recent gears have quotes by someone called 13

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do we have speculations on who they might be

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cuz yea exotics have quotes by random people but 13 has appeared on like 4 items already

slim light
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Now im wondering if arte we ever going to fight or join the recruiter here cause i would've love for our agent to actually become a hunter here

silent imp
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Essentially: Plutocratic Dictatorship ala Roman Empire

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Deep state type shit

sick lantern
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It’s your lucky day, it’s been officially announced

mint citrus
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Maira going- oh

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Oh boy

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Well that didn't take long

sick lantern
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considering the end of Compromised and how it says "prove her innocence" it's assuredly not true

vagrant lynx
solid python
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Well, just when I was going to get Recruited and Compromised for my birthday too-

outer hill
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i got a random question as i was running a new character in NYC.
Did we actually kill Theo?
I never heard "Rouge Agent Eliminated" or "Neutralized" when you fight him.
If he's alive like Schaeiffer, maybe he could help us decipher ANNA or Diamond? Its just a random thought

gaunt ice
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well his body's there so unless he has a twin no

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i think its a minor bug on your side or maybe its left intentionally vague

outer hill
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But Schaeffer's body is there too when you kill him in Coney Island but he was captured

gaunt ice
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even if he somehow survived with a gaping wound what's next

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we killed all the rikers there,Keener ditched him,black tusk was going after rogue agents too

nocturne arrow
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Run up and shoot Theo again.

cold bramble
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Why when I join the count down mode and I always get kickout

nocturne arrow
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If he deserves to be shot the first hundred times, he deserves to be shot another hundred times.

gaunt ice
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barely surviving with a gun wound in the middle of a wasteland and everyone tries to kill you

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he's good as dead anyway

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speaking of Bardon it reminds me of the convo between modern helmets vs ww2 helmets

nocturne arrow
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Theo unfortunately reminded me of the Watchdogs sequel, which made me want to break open the war crimes the second he got down from his perch.

outer hill
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True. But remember what happened to Hornet. We "killed" him in D1 but was revived by Keener. Maybe he was revived by the Black Tusk or something

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idk

gaunt ice
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they don't make tactical helmets with the purpose of blocking a gunshot anymore because even if the shot was blocked the concussion from the bullet impact will probably knock you out cold

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its the equivalent to being smashed in the head by a metal bat

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that's what i think that happened with Bardon here

nocturne arrow
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Better to be knocked out than have a bullet mulching your brain.

outer hill
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yup

gaunt ice
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you say that but if you were to be bashed in the head like that you're 90% dead anyway

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like you would just get knocked out flat on the ground,stunned and unable to fight back whatsoever

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if by chance you survive you'll most likely suffer brain damage

nocturne arrow
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True, but might be better odds than having a bullet punch through and certainly turning your brain into mush.

gaunt ice
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another reason that i read was that its too costly to maintain field hospitals and all in the war

nocturne arrow
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Security detail draining fighting manpower, power and resources to be secured or generated on site, medical staff in an even more stressful environment in an already stressful environment...

gaunt ice
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even if you were to recover its not like they'll put you back in the field

heavy valley
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So with the last manhunt mission who was talking to Mari? Could have it been the recruiter cause he is seen at the end when we get Mari before the cutscene?

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Along with those 2 rouge agents we killed what happended to the others

surreal hearth
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More unanswered questions and yet we don’t know how the black tusk was taking care of civilians in the national zoo

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Her tactics are getting dangerous

mint citrus
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Hearts and Minds

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That's all it is

heavy valley
ember temple
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ye no doubt imagine how bad we're gonna look for attacking a medical location

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Also makes me wonder bout Manny even more during the convos at Manning when you hear Sokolov taking care of people and Manny clearly states maybe she is not as bad as I thought

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And still wonder how Mannys brother plays into it that was mentioned at the end of last season

heavy valley
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He has a brother

signal thicket
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wasnt his "brother" fred?

mint citrus
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In terms of family I know Manny had an uncle, Mateo

surreal hearth
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You know

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Manny and Wally have become the second duo like Rhodes and Benitez.

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Manny: national guard/JTF/Civilian militia

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Wally: ex-True sons, hunter expert and now shade tech mastery.

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Rhodes: Ex-Last man battalion contractor, tech wizard, leader of the peacekeeper and old shade tech master.

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Roy Benitez: first responder during the 911 incident, JTF commander, leads the peacekeepers as second in command, natural leader.

cursive tapir
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What Rhodes part of LMB? I thought he was an army engineer but I could be wrong

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Either way, the dynamic definitely fits

sick lantern
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not as in he defected from the LMB when they went to shit in NYC, nor does he ever bring up relevant or helpful knowledge of their internal structure

surreal hearth
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That’s why I put LMB and contractor

hot plaza
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Guys why was stovepipe killed?

queen quarry
surreal hearth
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Fixed

sick lantern
queen quarry
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he talked shit about nat. she says she doesnt tolerate disrespect

solid python
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Exactly that
So she used him to get to our agent

gaunt ice
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its more like he asked too much

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which is fair because they were afraid of potential chem warfare or something

sick lantern
ivory solar
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But Stovepipe was also scared of DC-62 being used. That’s chemical

sick lantern
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I remember quite distinctly the whole shtick with Stovepipe was Natalya questioning him about irradiated mortars

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they had the nuclear technician saying they should ensure to have iodine

ivory solar
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I only remember that being the focus of one comm

sick lantern
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“The god damn dirty bombs Natalya!” I don’t remember DC62 being mentioned

ivory solar
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They did talk about iodine a lot but I assumed that was so they could secure the area that they hit

ashen jungle
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Yep, was about radiation.
and it was in more than one comm, at least for 1-2 Manhunts.

ivory solar
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I think it’s safe to assume that if he was scared of dirty bombs, then he would also be scared of DC-62. Anderson sounded like he was (although that was more not liking “visible contamination”), so why would Stovepipe be fine with it?

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But all of this can be classified as Stovepipe not liking CBRN warfare

sick lantern
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and ofc there were the consistent references to the events of Recruited where dirty bombs were used
Stovepipe manhunt was about radiological weaponry not DC62 bruh

surreal hearth
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Stovepipe body is too intact despite death

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I wonder if nat used suicide pills to kill him?

late void
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Got a hunter to slit his throat iirc

mint citrus
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Seems like her MO, yeah. Quick and clean with a Hunter

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Ngl what if we got him on our side?

fringe gale
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he would've been singing like a canary

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prob let us in on the BT's plans for Mari and the rest

mint citrus
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It felt like a stab in the gut seeing the civilians run away from us when I did the rescue last night

obtuse arrow
ashen jungle
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@obtuse arrow Get some help.

mint citrus
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Tbh I can't wait for the next book to come out. Just started reading Compromised today.

hardy oar
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Sokolova is both sociopath AND a psychopath. She kills discretely and not with her own hands so HER hands are clean. She's crazy.

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A lunatic with an army.

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Stovepipe knew too much so she silenced him. And I think she WILL kill Anderson too when he won't be needed anymore.

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She has Black Tusk. McManus gave her Hunters and Anderson gave her True Sons to do the dirty job. BTSU failed her - Shaeffer must be eliminated cause he too knows too much

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Mari could be her mole (let's hope she's not), Harlan Lloyd could be forced to make her plans and Tchernenko could be forced to make her an even stronger bioweapon with the help of the perfusion bioreactor.

Manny Ortega is on her list too because he's a hinderance to her plans and the asset will kill HIM next.

That's my opinion. What do you think?

ember temple
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Wait didn't they already kill Anderson

hardy oar
ember temple
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Oh yeah my bad that's who I was thinking of

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Need more coffee

supple river
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'Evening, folks

supple river
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need some insight

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currently working on a story set in The Division 2

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at some point, the JTF command in Maine offers the JTF in Washington DC to send down some troops

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right now, I gotta figure out how they'd reach DC

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since True Sons have SAMs, and Black Tusk certainly has a bunch

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going in and getting dropped off by a number of Chinooks probably won't work out

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so maybe they get sent down by train? maybe convoy?

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either way, the JTF in DC need more guys than they have now

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just gotta figure out the exact details of how they get there safely

urban musk
supple river
urban musk
supple river
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bring em in by train, convoy takes them the rest of the way

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got it

urban musk
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The army does move convoys by train sometimes, so that's a good start.

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I've seen some trains moving humvees and other military vehicles.

urban musk
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Since it involves the JTF I'm already invested.

supple river
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so this project is essentially a crossover between it and and a game they collabed with a year or so ago

urban musk
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Alright.

supple river
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there's a mobile game (not my kind of gameplay, tho, I'm more interested in the lore and the characters)

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and it's taking some basis off of a number of characters in that game, basing division agents off of them, and coming up with a more fleshed out story based in the Division 2

urban musk
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Ok.

supple river
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part of the story is protag working alongside the JTF

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the Washington DC branch of the JTF is very low on manpower (as we see in the game's story) so I figured why not have another JTF branch that's doing fine send down some reinforcements

urban musk
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I agree.

supple river
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so the Maine JTF branch sends down some troops

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with these much-needed reinforcements, the JTF can effectively do more than just be a skeleton crew at the White House

urban musk
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The DC JTF desperately needs more manpower.

supple river
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yup

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I myself absolutely love the JTF in the lore

urban musk
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I don't have a problem with civilian militia doing some work per se, but I think the JTF should do some stuff too.

supple river
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I've read the novel a few times

supple river
urban musk
supple river
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heyyy!

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gotta love our frontline troops in this scenario

urban musk
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Yup!

supple river
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I have a whole list of JTF characters for this project

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the most prominent being an infantry Corporal named Fitz

urban musk
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I've been in the process of doing something similar actually, I'm currently working on a private project, basically adding the JTF and the division into Fallout 4 as a mod.

supple river
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heh nice

urban musk
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But I'm only in the planning phase, I already have a story written out.

supple river
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fallout 4 mods can be really damn good

urban musk
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but if I want to have accurate JTF characters and models, I'd need permission from Ubisoft, but every time I ask Ubisoft, they redirect me to red storm entertainment. And I don't know how to get ahold of them.

#

yeah?

supple river
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lemme find the link

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goddammit it won't let me share the link

urban musk
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DM it to me, links don't work in this server.

sick lantern
#

(don’t let me discredit your passion though lol)

spare arrow
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gamer has said everything but the game (its gonna be the weeb one)

supple river
#

Yes.

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It’s the one where every firearm has an android girl who is named after their respective firearm

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They did an official collab with The Division 1

restive phoenix
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the hell?

supple river
#

So essentially I’m basing a few division agents off some of the characters

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Giving them actual names rather than the name of the weapon they use

sick lantern
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you know, anthropomorphising firearms might make for an interesting artistic exercise, sadly they decided to limit themselves to cute girl weeb shit for all the designs

supple river
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the characters from that game in this division story will not be wearing the same clothing like they do in their respective game

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they'll be wearing the same shit regular Division agents wear

supple river
#

alright, I figured out the names for the two division agents

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Agent Murphy and Agent Radcliffe

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with an additional major character being a Corporal in the JTF named Fitzgerald (aka "Fitz")

sleek plover
supple river
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I dunno 'bout that

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but Fitz does write in his spare time

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that, and writes in his journal

surreal hearth
#

Looks like NGN took a nail in the coffin after years of him accusing kelso for “stupid stuff” she has caused

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According to his video which he took late after we explained everything here

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Unfortunately sokolovas psychological tactics seems to work since kelso doesn’t seem welcome on DC anymore and worried that the rumor spreading about the distrust about the division start to rise

sleek plover
ashen jungle
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Make-up? How dare she. Next you'll be telling me people are still shaving and use bathrooms instead of the street.

mint citrus
#

As far as we know, the government is all but gone, right?

fringe gale
#

yeah aside from Ellis which is now dead, we have no knowledge if any government officials like Senators or Governors are alive

ashen jungle
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In the base campaign, Kelso says to Manny that any government employee is technically a potential candidate, iirc.
She even half-jokes about him as being next in line.

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President Ortega. I can see it.

supple river
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I dunno 'bout that one

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I love that dude, but I wouldn't say he'd make a good president

worldly musk
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Which is why i believe the player should become president so i can finally boss people around and not the other way around

late void
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because good combat skills translate so well to making country-wide leadership decisions

mint citrus
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It worked in Olympus has Fallen, didn't it?

ashen jungle
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I don't think making two-face president is going to help matters all that much, frankly.

mint citrus
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That's completely fair

gaunt ice
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olympus has fallen is completely bollocks and should not be used as reference in any sort of what if scenario

ashen jungle
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You are 100% right.
White House Down on the other hand is a shot-for-shot remake of actual events.

gaunt ice
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was that the one where they drive a car around the white house while the military stood outside doing nothing

ashen jungle
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Yes, and also the one where the young girl waved a giant american flag on the white house lawn to save the day.

gaunt ice
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i mean thats more convincing i guess

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like most "oh wow the president is in danger" movies are dumb but a girl calling off an airstrike by waving the flag is more believable than the white house being steamrolled by an AC130 that north korea somehow sneaked all the way into DC

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100% guarantee they're gonna do that in div2 eventually

mint citrus
#

The AC-130 thing or the airstrike thing?

gaunt ice
#

why not both

sick lantern
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he's made a new one

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Trés intéressant...

gaunt ice
#

ah yes the next enemy faction:texas

supple river
restive phoenix
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Is there even a government to secede from

marble dawn
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Theres ISAC to put them on a kill list

solid python
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Would send an accompanying meme for it but this server doesn't have any channels to send something like that.

restive phoenix
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Cheers I’ll drink to that

mint citrus
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Honestly, Optimus Prime said it better

marble dawn
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This is what the JTF'd LMB in wall street would shout if they were ingame

spiral rover
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As an LMB supporter I disagree with this message!!1!1!11!!!11

surreal hearth
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What is it with the Ac-130 memes?! If we wanted automated AC-130 gunship we be dead instantly

sleek plover
supple river
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regardless of situation, I side with the JTF

sleek plover
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Rioters all the way.

sick lantern
tepid ibex
spiral rover
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My man 🤝

sleek plover
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Freedom is a right.
Liberty is a given.

ashen jungle
#

Reposting this twice a week is apparently mandatory.

surreal hearth
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Jesus Christ did anyone extracted Mari? I ask cuss someone saw a blue flare on top of the arena

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And a freaking hunter just….watching us

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Nat can make all the friends she want hell even make a clinic but we are not falling for her propaganda lies.

gaunt ice
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I thought the blue smoke were there the whole time and on my second run i saw the hunter

surreal hearth
#

I wonder if he’s the one that gave her the division comms?

gaunt ice
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No way,first hunter with a normal voice🤯

surreal hearth
#

Well there was nothing but black tusk soldiers they were all busy fighting us while somebody gave Mari the slip of a division comms to a person who’s not part of the black tusk personal

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What’s even interesting is that hunter didn’t want to come down there and fight us

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This isn’t the crazy part

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I’ve started to listen to NGNs theory and he believes that this whole purpose of using the true sons was to manipulate the public hard by making them look real bad and the black tusk look good

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She wasn’t into fully buying a new organization she needs Anderson and his true sons to blindly cause chaos and distractions making them look real bad for us to deal with while the black tusk secretly start establishing community infrastructures and gain trust to the civilians

gaunt ice
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Ima be real this is kinda stupid

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Aint no one forgetting that they were executing people in broad daylight

surreal hearth
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Well her cells ain’t the brightest of bunch I can tell you that

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Unfortunately her pacifist propaganda wouldn’t have work if not for those meddling true sons

steady shore
#

you lot only just did that?

urban musk
sleek plover
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JTF helmet is so round and smooth like a bowling ball

spiral rover
#

JTF and LMB use the same helmet

languid wing
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I watched NGNs latest video and maybe he is right the recruiter is tryna see if we are trustworthy maybe he has had enough of this conflict if at the end of the main manhunt mission the voice that tells Mari to take the division earpiece is the recruiter then why did he give her a div communication device? I feel like he has a ulterior motive

#

Sure a BT operative could of given her it but the average BT operative is not a match for a division agent

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Hunters however are a different story

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There specifically trained to counter agents both SHD and rogue

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Unless that voice found a division comm just lying around

young blaze
#

What the hell was the original message?

Honestly, the idea of members of the Last Man Battalion who still had shreds of honor joining the JTF fucks

wise totem
#

is the servers down again ?

unreal widget
wise totem
urban musk
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other than that, you're right. but the JTF helmet is superior drip.

gaunt ice
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Naaah LMB drip is superior

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Minus the whole uh,red armband thing

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I mean its there for the whole “woah they’re fascists” but the armband just doesn’t look that fitting,maybe thats just me

supple river
supple river
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good ole Interceptor Body armor and ACU fatigues, JTF helmet and vest cover, a set of protective goggles worn on the helmet in case weather gets rough, got some load-bearing gear

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gotta love the National Guard in the JTF

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not to mention a nice police uniform with a plate carrier with the JTF helmet and the JTF vest cover

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gotta remember the JTF is fighting to keep what remains of the country together, while the Division work to take back and restore what was lost to the anarchy

urban musk
#

based

supple river
#

hell yeah

urban musk
supple river
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LMB do have a really nice aesthetic

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but they're still the bad guys

marble dawn
#

Why not both? That animated WONY trailer had the LMB who defected to JTF

deep marten
#

Honestly Black Tusk and LMB got some of the best bad guy drip there is ngl

#

They look cool and they fit well for an enemy faction

urban musk
#

why does ngn dislike kelso so much?

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IF paul rhodes and roy benitez trust kelso, then I trust her too.

mint citrus
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I like that the comms addressed that some think Kelso is a traitor

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Seems like a nice nod to NGN

urban musk
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yeah the whole "Has kelso gone rogue" video is the main video I disagree with ngn on, there are some other small things but that's the major thing.

kind hare
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The video in question (plus a few follow ups), that I released on Kelso were from quite some time ago. A lot has happened since then.
However I standby those videos, she seemed dodgy has hell back then.
These days I don't see her as "bad". Just chaotic and completely unhinged.

urban musk
#

Wasn't she an army ranger? And a CIA operator or something? that could explain the whole MO.

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people that go through that kind of stuff are on a way different level of thinking than say, a police officer or firefighter, the kind of people the division likes to recruit.

ashen jungle
#

I never once got a "weird" vibe from Kelso, or even that chaotic or unhinged.

#

She's a little "written to be a love interest above else", but she's kinda moved past that at this point.

urban musk
#

I feel like she's more determined and dedicated to getting the job done

ashen jungle
#

I mean, isn't that the entire point of the SHD?

urban musk
#

pretty much, yeah.

ashen jungle
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Not to imply anything or whatever, but would people think the same things about her if she was presented as a guy?

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the "chaotic" stuff I mean.

urban musk
#

aaron keener 2.0

ashen jungle
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Oh no, another finance bro who's plan didn't make sense.

#

Keener is the "thanos doesn't know about crop rotations" of division.

urban musk
#

that was a joke lol, but yeah keener's "legacy" didn't mean much or make any sense in the grand scheme of things

ashen jungle
#

If his plan had gone through, who would've actually been left, and what happens if the wind shifts?

urban musk
#

oh the people who were protecting us failed to do so, time to kill them and everyone else with them civilians or not!

urban musk
#

like what was the plan exactly?

ashen jungle
#

Nuke New York with chemical weapons > ??? > profit?

urban musk
#

probably.

#

makes just as much sense as ??? > ??? > Profit.

ashen jungle
#

You watch, we'll find out in Season 4's DLC that he secretly had a bunch of crypto called "SHD bucks" laying around and was trying to kill of the Division to raise the value.

urban musk
#

lol.

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speaking of which, why didn't any of the rogue agents think of going to the JTF ton clear their rogue status after leaving the dark zone when it was gonna be abandoned?

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because If I heard correctly leaving a post/ going off mission can cause you to go rogue, couldn't that be fixed by going to the JTF or something? ISAC may be stupid but he learns over time, so maybe it would deduce that something happened and would clear that status.

ashen jungle
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Same reason that the JTF never tried to clear out a DZ, despite them apparently having the technology to remove dc-62, the DZ's containing huge chunks of well protected land, and a constant rain of fresh supplies.
If you look at div's lore too hard it starts to resemble a collander more than a bowl.

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But it's got its charms.

urban musk
#

yeah.

ashen jungle
#

Actually I forget, did the leader of that settlement ever get marked as rogue? I know they lost a leg but Lau lost an eye and was still marked out.

urban musk
#

Like I said, over time ISAC gains more data/learns over time.

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and protecting civilians and restoring order was #1 objective IIRC building a settlement would count as both.

ashen jungle
#

This was before we reached DC, and apparently Sanders (I think that's her name) wasn't marked either, despite not going to DC when she was called.
and we know she's still alive because we met her at the Pentagon.

urban musk
#

I know that in the DZ the rogue timer exists, so is that programed into ISAC as a backup in-case it messes up and can reset the rogue status if more data is collected showing that the agent's decision is a justifiable one?

ashen jungle
#

I like to think that's canon, and it's actually just months and months long.
which is why Sanders isn't red right now, and why Sawyer isn't a Manhunt target.

urban musk
#

yeah, We need more lore explaining it.

ashen jungle
#

Side-note, I just realised that "sawyer's kneepads" comes across as a mean joke.

#

that they help with snipers while she lost it due to one just makes it meaner.

sick lantern
ashen jungle
#

The fact that WONY starts with 4 Rogues comitting just, all the warcrimes should tell you that some just enjoy the violence and are using the red watch as an excuse.

ivory solar
#

I think the main issue with Kelso is that she can be seen as a loose cannon at times. It completely depends on the situation and she isn’t just straight up unhinged. As her recruiters said, she doesn’t take orders from those she doesn’t respect. Kelso likes Manny, but she likes working with Lau in New York even more. We can see that she’s bored because our agent is an invincible killing machine, which is why she wants to go back to New York. If she was with someone she liked even less than Manny, she’d probably have gone to New York a long time ago

sick lantern
#

Kelso’s recklessness did get an agent killed once (or at the very least she showed exceptionally poor decision making in a sensitive hostage situation)
and she would still be an annoyingly bull headed individual if she was a guy

kind hare
#

"Would people think the same thing if she was a guy??" 😂
Some people are just looking for it!
Yes. Yes I would.
She is even implied as "chaotic" in the game.

gaunt ice
#

Woa its the youtube guy

cursive tapir
#

For a while I thought Kelso was gonna go rogue too. They really framed it that way with her whole "Kill them all" scene, angry red lighting and everything

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When she showed up in a chopper to extract the antivirals from the Capitol Building I was like "Uh oh, here it comes"

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Fun subversion that it never did tho

kind hare
# gaunt ice Woa its the youtube guy

😆 I don't even make that many videos.
I prefer to see myself as a fan who preaches my geekdom in a different way than forums or Discord etc.

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Otherwise... heyyyyy 👋 😆

cursive tapir
#

There’s definitely a phenomenon where female characters are often unfairly held to a higher or different moral/ethical standard than male characters (i.e. female characters who are not traditionally “nice” are often derided for being mean, whereas men who behave the way are praised as being badasses)

But I don’t think that would really apply to Kelso’s case.

I don’t really see why anyone would hate her, she’s definitely a loose cannon but it seems like the Division often actively seeks those sorts of people out, for better or worse

kind hare
#

I agree with everything you've said here.
I witness people complaining from both sides of this, but the Division in it's current state keeps things surprisingly "level" (I don't think this is the right word to use, but in my autistic brain this makes the most sense, and hopefully you know what I mean).
Unfortunately people with an agenda with always find something to complain about.

nocturne arrow
#

The loose cannon bit was how Vivian Coneley get through the system. Kelso, like many Division Agents, are but one bad day away from going rogue. Hell, Keener had his bad day, and most of you know what happened.

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... I'd say that the Sheriff themselves would be a bad day away from ending up the next Warlord of DC. All it takes is one personal tragedy too much for an otherwise outstanding Division Agent to go rogue, and the better the Agent, the more dangerous the Rogue.

Think on it, Vivian Coneley, Faye Lau, Aaron Keener, and possibly Theo Parnell have lost people, and snapped.

While as a player character, the Sheriff doesn't have family to lose, given the blank state status, one could argue that it could happen, and another Division Agent decides to abandon the mission, whether it could be from too much of a burden, the dwindling lack of resources needed to maintain one's position, or the people they're saddled with, the JTF, or the civilian militia, have finally gotten on their nerves one too many times.

gaunt ice
#

He wants to play god and shits himself when it doesn’t go his way

#

Being abandoned is just an excuse

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Like Kajika is an example of actually being abandoned and wanting revenge on the JTF

#

How does being abandoned translates to chemical warfare

#

“Hit the reset button”

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Also him and his group killed anyone who wouldn’t join him,you’d think that someone being abandoned would have sympathies for their comrade

sick lantern
#

b-but he saved a family

steady shore
#

thay got killed by rioters

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keener requested backup and was denied

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so he left an thay died

sick lantern
#

i mean the WoNY comm

sleek plover
#

Damn I hate LMB

deep marten
#

This the 375th time you said that, we get it

sleek plover
#

Rioters FTW

sick lantern
#

Rioters shall be purged

sleek plover
#

LMB, The Black Tusks, and True Sons shall be purged.

gaunt ice
#

i changed my mind

#

he’s just misunderstood 🥹

nocturne arrow
#

Put down the rioters.

#

To clarify, how the fuck are the rioters going to get a win? By the time we get back to NYC for WONY, they're a no nothing faction, it's just Rikers, and Cleaners.

gaunt ice
#

rioters are just survivors

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meaning the average NYC horde

sick lantern
#

and always at the bottom of the food chain

gaunt ice
#

there’s this one audio log of a rogue agent talking or something in div1

#

at the end of it she got cut off mid sentence,presumably killed?

sick lantern
#

one of the Shields

#

she's in another one before she goes rogue

gaunt ice
#

did we know who killed her?

#

like that just feels like an odd detail to add in cuz usually who cares bout some random rogue you know

#

towards the 2nd half of div1 we run into like 2 of them each mission

sick lantern
#

I feel like not too much thought went into most of the Shield comms

gaunt ice
#

so maybe her being killed on comms is meant to emphasize something

#

idk i cant sleep and im overthinking again

sick lantern
#

I feel like we take "Hunters kill rogue agents" for granted, but if it was a Hunter then it would've actually been the first instance we know of

supple river
sick lantern
supple river
#

well Odessa lost a leg tho

sick lantern
#

Sanders is the girl from the intro, the Pentagon and the pre rendered cutscene after Lewis dies
Sawyer is the settlement leader

supple river
#

my bad

marble dawn
sick lantern
marble dawn
#

Yeah, I figured they had issues with a real time cutscene there so they went with a render as an easier fix

sleek plover
#

hypothetically speaking

gaunt ice
#

Apparently amateur gun owners did not stand a chance against trained sleeper agents

gaunt ice
#

what a shocker i know

urban musk
torpid yacht
#

How did society collapse so fast in TD universe? I mean even Black Plague didn’t cause societal collapse the level displayed in TD universe.

languid wing
#

people tryna survive and wait it out

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and the goverment as well

#

widespread panic

languid wing
#

i think it was like 10% or something

gaunt ice
languid wing
#

also the Bp did wipe out over 25 mill people in 14th century europe

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1/3 of the population idk the death count for the green posion

steady shore
#

best way to put it, Greed

languid wing
#

during times of widespread chaos and anarchy people will show greed cause why not

#

whos gonna stop them?

steady shore
#

no i mean greed cuz of black friday

languid wing
#

thats why i avoid black friday cause ik its gonna be like a warzone

patent narwhal
#

people in power dying, people in enforcement & people in essential services dying harms society way quicker than it may seem

ivory solar
#

Not to mention the global panic because somehow smallpox is back from the dead and no one was expecting such a scenario in the modern world

#

Viruses in the real world are either deadly yet not contagious or contagious and not deadly. Green Poison was both contagious and deadly

#

And it was given time to spread before any deaths actually happened causing a greater number of people dead early on

#

People thought it was just the flu until everyone started dying

#

So yeah you can imagine how surprised people were

#

The very first cutscene in the both games pretty much explain it all at least to me

coral brook
#

What is the map of Division 2 America?

spare arrow
#

Do you mean "where is division 2 set" or "what happened to the rest of the cities in the Division's universe?"

nocturne arrow
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I mean, it's just a global plague that hit, not a cataclysmic earthquake, so I'd say the borders of the USA are still the same. Or did you mean what America looks like, carved up amongst different factions? I can say, that with Division 2 and their ever changing control of the Control Points, the situations in Washington DC and NYC are constantly shifting. What was once True Sons territory could be looted by Hyenas or Outcasts, but the Outcasts doing so is unlikely, as their power base is to the West, of the map, while the True Sons territory is to the East of our map, and Hyenas are somewhere in the middle of both.

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I say our map, because I get the sneaking suspicion that the in game map we have, may be inverted. Probably. But yeah, that said, if you meant the USA divided among the new factions rising up into power, we generally don't have a concrete idea, aside from the novels, which is kind of vague, and in game, Division 2 has territories pushing and pulling.

coral brook
nocturne arrow
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Same as ours. Nothing changed the geographic features, maybe some cities get blown up, but a map from our world and the world of The Division would still be the same.

sleek plover
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I wonder what happened on rhode island

sick lantern
jagged fox
gentle geode
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United States or global

ember temple
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Was going to say that

gaunt ice
sick lantern
# gaunt ice wdym by this

they asked what the world map of the division looked like as if a virus would have somehow changed the geography of the world, which is exactly what happened in the bollocks resident evil movies

gaunt ice
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i mean the former

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like did the world's geography changed due to the virus?

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what?

sick lantern
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that wouldn’t happen lol that’s why it was a bit of a strange question

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and I compared it to that very silly scenario happening in some very silly movies

fast wharf
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Ok

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@gusty fulcrum come here

gusty fulcrum
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Meow

fast wharf
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Ok so

gusty fulcrum
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Hunty bois

fast wharf
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They were kinda spooked or something by the hunters

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As they're inhumane?

gusty fulcrum
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They didn't agree with their ideology

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And Schaeffer + lau slowly started to realize black tusk wasn't what they envisioned

fast wharf
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The Hunter's ideology were what?

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Like killing agents and bringing chaos?

gusty fulcrum
fast wharf
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Oof

gusty fulcrum
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We still don't really know what hunters are

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Only that it's kind of similar to a BTSUSU

fast wharf
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XD

gusty fulcrum
fast wharf
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Except for div2

gusty fulcrum
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Also that sokolova and whatever his face are keeping it super secret

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I forget his name

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Calvin McManus

fast wharf
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He died tortured technically

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Nvm

gusty fulcrum
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McManus is the one who actually runs the hunter op

fast wharf
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Talking about the dude who dies in the earlier manhunt

gusty fulcrum
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So the named hunter per se

fast wharf
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Imagine If he get's a boss

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On next season

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Who knows

gusty fulcrum
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I personally hope we get to meet a hunter and team up with one

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Like a mercenary

fast wharf
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Only him and SHD boxes

gusty fulcrum
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So "pay me enough and I'll do your work" type

fast wharf
gusty fulcrum
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That's just keener v2

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Boring af

fast wharf
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Harder to kill then?

gusty fulcrum
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I think a full arena fight is good enough where you have to deal with constant Conley jammers, hunters spawning onto the field, enemies constantly vanishing and reappearing, random blindness, all the like

fast wharf
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8 player then

gusty fulcrum
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Because they are specifically designed for dealing with SHD agents. Since we've already killed hundreds upon thousands, they should know our every move essentially

fast wharf
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That's hard for 8 players then

gusty fulcrum
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I already designed a theoretical raid called Operation: Grand Finale

fast wharf
gusty fulcrum
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Countdown timer, stealth, gotta get in get out ASAP, no checkpoints, revive tokens that can be replenished throughout. Multiple boss fights that need to be done at the same time so you need to split up, turrets lining the complex with no cover in sight, constant jammers and hunters as the primary enemies

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Also as you escape the complex the evac heli gets shot down and you need to escape on boat

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Enemies are all legendary++ difficulty so are designed to be actually unkillable

gusty fulcrum
fast wharf
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It's more than genius

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IT'S A WHOLE 190+ IQ OPERATION

gusty fulcrum
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Wait I forgot

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Skills are hacked 24/7

gusty fulcrum
fast wharf
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After doing certain things like getting the Power destroyed for the EMPs would spawn MCmanus

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He would be hard

gusty fulcrum
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i was thinking just blow up an ammunitions depot on-site and hack some marauders

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oh lemme add more to this on-the-fly thinking

fast wharf
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As he spawns with hunters that use abilities that 100% of hunters don't use

gusty fulcrum
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if youre caught too quickly the timer gets shortened almost immediately and mcmanus runs away

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so you have to actively keep him from running and take him down as the hardest hunter who can literally make himself disappear and teleport

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also he has specialization weapons

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i also thought of the idea of hunters actually taking your items

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like youre using an eagle bearer? swiped by a hunter now youre screwed

fast wharf
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hunters got strong weapons tho

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So it's a W

gusty fulcrum
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idk a heat seeking rocket launcher with hunter power? not fun

sick lantern
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that sounds pretty goofy and OTT

gusty fulcrum
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just a large hellhole of mechanics and enemies that only the 0.1% are able to complete

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cuz most missions in this game are just "shoot this shoot that shoot boss done"

fast wharf
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Imagine If It had the First the division quick time event

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On a cutscene

gusty fulcrum
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none of them require actual thought except raids, but at the end of the day raids barely do either since spawns are all static and people know what to do and where to go, its not fun once its been discovered because its lost all challenge

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countdown is random. raids are difficult. mix the two and you get constant difficulty hellhole

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then take out every mechanic that makes less experienced groups able to win

fast wharf
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Sounds Fun and chaotic

gusty fulcrum
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thats why id love to see it

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especially with enemies that arent killable. like a raid where every enemy has like 1 billion health

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where you actually have to tank/avoid them rather than just shoot bam done

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also i want every mechanic present in the game in a single mission

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because thats what a grand finale would include

fast wharf
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Scorpio mains with 10 million dmg would go crazy on hunters

sick lantern
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unkillable enemies who you shouldn’t shoot… in a shooter

gusty fulcrum
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not these hunters; do you remember old tidal legendary?

sick lantern
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that’s like a puzzle game with an unsolvable puzzle

gusty fulcrum
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no you just have to avoid certain enemies like the plague

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ever played Jedi Knight?

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because you have missions in that game where if an enemy sees you they go to hit an alarm and game over

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but you can also still go in blasting everything so long as none of the buttons are pressed

gusty fulcrum
# fast wharf Scorpio mains with 10 million dmg would go crazy on hunters

hear me out

razorback developmental complex. a large warehouse filled with tons and tons of razorbacks. they can be defeated one-by-one, but theres too many and its way too slow. Solution? Find the pressure valves to activate the orange experimental gas from the research complex next to the warehouse and divert the gas to the razorback room, amplifying the damage done to the razorbacks (and yourself) and be able to kill them without exposing their shields.

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but when you divert the gas you then have to be able to hold the position while youre bombarded by hunters and black tusk (who would try to disable the gas) so youll need to defend the point from them

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there will also be no objective (ISAC disabled)

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and fake objectives such as sending comms for back-up or early evac. but sending these comms will result in BT interception and youll get exploded in the comms room

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and to get into the complex you will have to throw a grenade over a specific part of the wall to take out a generator that knocks out the power, making yourself able to sneak in before they manage to find out what went wrong. you then have to bring the generator back online before its noticed that its taken out. preventing enemies from seeing this generator will also cause caution as they will notice power is out for a significant amount of time which will cause obvious problems in terms of security

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there will be two meters to the side: global threat and local threat. global threat is threat across the complex, while local threat is the threat of the specific area you are in. if an area is noticed to be compromised, global threat will go up. if global threat reaches the max it can then there will be sirens to go off, signalling the perimeter has been breached. local threat just means the building is compromised and you will need to secure it before word can get out of the compromisation

gusty fulcrum
fast wharf
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Interesting

gusty fulcrum
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lol sorry if i clogged chat

fast wharf
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Would be cool a the division stealth

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Sadly the only stealth is covers as you can sneak up

gusty fulcrum
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also halfway into the mission you pick up a skill which ignores all attempts at hacking and is basically what the hunters use to vanish into smoke

fast wharf
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Should be the hack pulse

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Hacking the hackers

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Lmao

sick lantern
gusty fulcrum
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@sick wave read up

sick wave
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mmhmm

sick lantern
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comically difficult

sick wave
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indeed

gusty fulcrum
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thats the point

fast wharf
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If the hunters torture whoever they get Alive

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Does this means traitors are tortured 2X times worse?

gusty fulcrum
fast wharf
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It is, and a few agents (like aaron) are the ones who got potential to join it

fast wharf
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Thanks god faye died, think well with me, she's been Alive for the past 7 months making it cool right? Wrong, she would know food and water stocks, would steal them would expose hideouts and even invent an SHD system weakness by hacking and etc meaning that this would be a big problem in NYC as survivors wouldn't wait an BT ambush from everywhere and their tech going against them making it difficult and hard to kill the BT aswell as get rid of the hordes of soldiers

spare arrow
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you really didnt understand that story beat did you

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like, went clear over your head

sick lantern
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she didn’t even die seven months ago timeline wise either

marble dawn
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where are we timeline wise now? WONY was in august iirc from the ngn vid but dunno about the seasons

ember temple
gusty fulcrum
gusty fulcrum
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Location: Langley Air Force Base

gaunt ice
torpid yacht
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Collapse simulator

solid python
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Oh I do remember playing that before the release of WONY, too bad it's shut down now.

fast wharf
fast wharf
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I still don't know why they decided to make faye go rogue

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She still own us whisky since the first game 🗿

spare arrow
fast wharf
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?

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Ngl i see no problem trying to understand the lore in the way i understood

raw yew
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She came into contact with Alicia Coswald, a former teacher Faye was friends with… both activated at the same time and I assume trained together in the same unit / squad.

Coswald put her in touch with Schaffer… Lau went undercover and blew her reputation to take down the black tusk from the inside … she learnt of some plot with the true sons and Sokolova that’s connected to Calvin McManus who is the secretary of homeland security I believe meaning he has some authority over the division.

Schaffer was being followed and Sokolova lost trust in him because the BTSU (the named black tusk you kill during world tier 1-5 and throughout each invaded mission) all died under his watch and he became a loose end asking the right questions to the wrong person.

sick lantern
raw yew
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Schaffer eventually got placed under the supervision of a hunter who Schaffer led you to Coney Island to kill and was going to let you fatally wound him which you did

Faye killed president Ellis to stop the division being controlled by Ellis (she also doesn’t like the fact that he went rogue - used the death of her sister as a reason for going rogue because the settlements in New York failed to protect her…

Long story short Lau was supposed to survive but your agent is a trigger happy nerd and killed her which is why Manny is so insistent on keeping Schaffer alive… the keys from Season 9 to now reveal that Schaffer had a fallout plan that Faye was supposed to back,

She’s dead, Sokolova either wants Schaffer back or wants him dead because she was scouting the White House last season … stole the bioreactor and attempted to kill Schaffer it seems

Lewis died trying to buy Manny time and because he was marked for death

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That’s the story…

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Outside of that Lau was rogue because she joined black tusk and no one knew why, also remember it was not a coincidence Black Tusk came after Keener the same time we did

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Keener had a rogue network… Schaffer and Lau needed to consolidate the damage from inside the black tusk

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Secretary of homeland security is 17th in line for president …

Waller died of heart attack
Mendez took over
Ellis while speaker of the house came into contact with black tusk who bargained his position for control of the division
Mendez assassinated by Schaffer on behalf of Ellis
Ellis president

Ellis dead

It’s presumed most of congress is dead / government

Division last standing government etc etc …

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TLDR black tusk sabotaged everything

sleek plover
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Also cheeseburgers are good

signal thicket
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Are there any thoughts on the new gearset lore-wise, seeing as it's named after Ortiz?

sick lantern
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Hatred

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or rather, annoyance, unless they ever make a second Ortiz gearset then it’s hatred

late void
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You just know there's going to be a series of them, each focused on a particular skill

signal thicket
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Just wonder what Ortiz has to do with spinning fire lol

late void
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Haven't you heard? Ortiz are now the creators of all shd tech including ISAC and ANNA

signal thicket
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Thought it was just the AI, not the skillsthat integrates into it

sick lantern
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they made Warhounds too

late void
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they made DARPA petter

late void
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most of the skills are probably isac-controlled, after all

signal thicket
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I thought it was more they made the system, the OS if u will, and then DARPA or SHD themself created the skills like an application works on a PC

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Just because Microsoft made the OS and maybe the machine it runs on, doesnt mean all the programs are made by them y'know

late void
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yeah, but right now it seems Massive are attributing everything to Ortiz, they are the 'magical tech people'

signal thicket
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Yeah,. im not a fan of the megacorp making everything relevant to the lore

fast wharf
sick lantern
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like, do you know what happened in season 9

fast wharf
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I still don't understand something about pulse: why does our character glow everytime he uses it?

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If you Go on night and use pulse you can see yourself glowing

slow rose
signal thicket
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Not in tech usually, like theres def competition in a lot of fields, like robotics and television

slow rose
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Especially in those bleeding edge stuff

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There was a time when shovelmakers& carmakers used to build missiles & war planes

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But US GOVERNMENT consolidated it post you know

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Those times

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Recent example of pandemic & how different governments handled it poorly shows the cracks in our societies. Amazing how tom Clancy foreshadowed the exact events

sick lantern
sick lantern
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and that’s not even necessarily true, like how many different companies supply the US air force

fast wharf
sick lantern
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shoddy lighting effects then ¯_(ツ)_/¯

fast wharf
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XD

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But what if it's the eye Lenses

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Or something

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Cuz both div 1 and 2 makes the world kinda weird everytime you use pulse

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So what if it's the eye lenses?

nocturne arrow
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It sounds the most reasonable, and I'd imagine that it's why EMP hurts the Agent quite a bit. It's smacking the shit out of your eyeballs.

burnt mountain
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So I have a question…what is the NSA facility that the Descent mode takes place in? Does that place have a name? Like…NSA Simulated Training Facility or something?

gaunt ice
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Under a bunker iirc

little pendant
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when Castle inevitably makes fish tacos how many government secrets SHD tech will it cost?

sick lantern
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I’m sure we’ll get a lecture on how ISAC thinks eating fish tacos technically makes you rogue

little pendant
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we'll have to supply drop fish taco into the DZ to escape ISAC

fast wharf
urban musk
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I always wondered if any SHD agents were originally JTF Police, or JTF Military before they got activated by the Strategic Homeland Division?

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could this have happened? most likely not for the 1st wave, but what about the 2nd wave?

nocturne arrow
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Well, I suppose they could, if the JTF was formed before the SHD activated. And if the JTF activated before the SHD, none of them would be Second Wave, as it would make no sense to hold an Agent in reserve when they're already in the field at ground zero.

If the SHD activated before the JTF could form, the Agents embedded in the services that would later comprise the JTF would have been activated before the JTF forms, again, as it wouldn't make sense to hold Agents already at the disaster site in reserve. Second Wave Agents, (Div 1 players) were activated in Brooklyn, and orders were to investigate Manhattan, as every Agent up there went dark.

gaunt ice
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Brooklyn got da spiderman #2 they’re good

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Ok but i have a question

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Were the riots just limited to Manhattan?

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Cuz if agents from the outer areas can be mobilized to Manhattan that should imply that the areas around it are safe enough for agents to move out it right?

raw yew
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Queens and Brooklyn are more likely to suffer imo because they are mostly industrial and without power they would quickly disintegrate

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I imagine there’s more chaos in Queens than in Brooklyn because Brooklyn has water surrounding it and you can easily shut off access through the bridges

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But I remember our Agent in div 1 left after making sure JTF in that area of Brooklyn was safe

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Looked like Brooklyn Bridge Park to me

sick lantern
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seemingly Brooklyn is under less strict of a quarantine than Manhattan since your agent could show up there from (wherever you want your backstory to be from), but needed to take a chopper to enter the quarantine proper

worldly musk
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Whats the idea behind hunters? Just rogues but a lot more terrifying to deal with?

nocturne arrow
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Nah, they're Calvin McManus's (Secretary of Homeland Defense) idea of a counter to Division Agents, meant to kill Division Agents and probably clear a path for whatever he's got cooking.

sleek plover
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Among all the good guys left surviving, who do you think should be next president?

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My vote is for Snitch

raw yew
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Cindy

gusty fulcrum
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Shown in the echo in the night club mission

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Also hinted at a lot

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I think it was mentioned in div 1 can't remember where

opaque warren
spare arrow
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@lapis cobalt Yeah, dont say that.

lapis cobalt
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Sorry

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😐

opaque warren
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i missed it

radiant citrus
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So... in theory, given the whole classified agent status in one of the past seasons, and the fact that those of other factions can defect to JTF and the Division's side(E.G Schaeffer.) Would it be possible for someone of say, Outcast or True son descent, and to a lesser extent, hyenas and other factions, become an actual division agent, with access to Isac and proper SHD tech?

late void
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Division agents were selected, trained and given their watches before the other factions even existed. For an outcast or whatever to have that access they would have needed to go rogue to join that group in the first place

radiant citrus
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True, but what I'm referring to isn't someone going rogue to ally with a faction. I mean, say someone became disillusioned with the faction's ideals and defected to our side, would it be farfetched for them to receive SHD training. Not as in they were already an agent, but as in, someone who's just a faction soldier, becoming a division agent.

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But I do see your point.

late void
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I don't think there's enough infrastructure left to train new agents, takes a lot of experts to do all the background stuff (eg the psych evals, programming isac to accept the new agent, etc)

radiant citrus
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Yeah, that's true I suppose.

fallen gate
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Was there any explanation to us meeting 8 hunters at once in countdown and hunters in underground/survival modes from div 1?

ashen jungle
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AFAIK, the "Countdown Hunters" are generally seen by the community as trainee ones, which explains why they don't count for Hunter Kills for Projects.
That is likely just common head-canon though.

fallen gate
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Huh, interesting

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Maybe they're not on a hunter "officiall" route anymore and they're given to black tusk

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I inspected hunter after dying once and it says black tusk on some of them

ashen jungle
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Yeah they count as BT Elites for kills too, so that works also.

fallen gate
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Cool way of adding hunters without ruining the lore

sick lantern
late void
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I suppose it would depend on the kind of catastrophe that directive 51 was designed to help with, if they considered the necessity of inducting new agents after the fact

sick lantern
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Brenda (who I thinkkkk was a certified recruiter before the outbreak, but I might be making that up and confusing her with the recruiter in Hearts on Fire) gives a vocal command to transfer ownership/recognise her

gaunt ice
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granted one is literally abandoning post and the other was gonna die of bleeding

little pendant
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is ISAC on loudspeaker this whole time?

can rogue agents shout "ISAC play despacito" to find if there's any Division agents around?

late void
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I think you're confusing ISAC with Alexa

gusty fulcrum
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Not directly

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Only person who's ever done that is Keener and Manny

sick lantern
ashen jungle
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Yeah it's not accurate, in fact they even made an ISAC voice activated thing as promotional material once.
I'm pretty sure that when we're hearing ISAC ingame, it's through an earpiece, which is likely transmitted to base.
Would also explain how we don't get permanent hearing damage from all the gunfire+explosions.

radiant citrus
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So hypothetically speaking, how hard would it be to hack Isac? Parnell and Keener(through Anna) managed it. So would someone else be able to?

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Given the right equipment ofc

nocturne arrow
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Well, let's see, BT, McManus, just to name two of em. Other Rogue Agents, given they were selected for their skill sets prior, and there has to be someone out there who's very well versed in software programming, and every Agent had been trained with ISAC, so there's familiarity there. I'd say what's probably left of the NSA, or any government agency with a background in ELINT, some one in silicone valley, but no idea why... probably someone mucking about with an IT company or such...

radiant citrus
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I see, so it's possible. But if that's the case, would it be possible to revoke the rogue status if you did hack in, or just, straight up prevent an agent being designated as rogue?

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Though if it is I'm confused why Parnell didn't just do so. Given it's well established that he changed his name and credentials on Isac's databases.

nocturne arrow
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I mean, that shit is what goes on in the Dark Zones, hacking the SHD networks tampering with the rogue system.

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As for why Parnell couldn't, well, perhaps the thing was, Parnell was already listed as Rogue before he could hack ISAC, and word got out. The genie is out of the bottle, or cat out of the bag, so to speak.

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All surviving First Wave NYC Agents are either Rogue, KIA, or MIA, and word got out to the rest of the Division. Even if Parnell hacked his records, most of the already alerted Agents would have known and remembered that a guy named Theo Parnell was listed as Rogue, and if there isn't anything official statement from a superior saying otherwise, he's still getting shot.

radiant citrus
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Yeah, I guess that makes sense. If that's true though, then hypothetically speaking, not everyone who has a watch is necessarily a division agent anyway. And given anyone and their Dog/warhound can use SHD tech. That does open up quite a few possibilities for backstory And just general story points.

nocturne arrow
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Second Wave NYC Agents, (we the players) found out about the status of First Wave NYC Agents, and the existence of Rogue Agents. Likely, spread word across the network about that happening, and even if a Rogue Agent could hack their records, not everything is digital.

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Yeah, not everyone who has a Strategic Homeland Division Smartwatch is a Division Agent. Some of them are Hunters with a trophy.

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McManus, however, either managed to get himself and issue to Jack Bonnie a new SHD watch, or a "refurbished" smartwatch, courtesy of his Hunters, and could reprogram it for their own purposes.

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But I don't see that happening with any of the other factions who don't have expertise in Shade Tech. Not the True Sons, not the LMB, certainly not the fucking Hyenas and Outcasts...

radiant citrus
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Makes sense. Though, I wouldn't put it past the True sons at least, given that unlike hyenas and outcasts, they are actually capable of some organisation.

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Outcasts though, their strategist is dead. Same with their leader. So unlikely. And hyenas, they'd have no motivation to get a Division watch.

nocturne arrow
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They're capable of organisation, but they don't have the technological expertise to deal with advanced AI and technology beyond their background as former government workers.

late void
nocturne arrow
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Hold on, the Strategist is dead? The guy we caught in the theatre with Agent Kelso?

radiant citrus
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I see. Forgot we actually captured him for a second lol

nocturne arrow
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We killed Emeline Shaw, that much is a given, but blasting the Strategist, I don't recall, and I may have missed whether or not BT executed him. I uh, missed out the last bit of the Season Manhunt because of work and all.

radiant citrus
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If nothing else though I suppose this information does give at least some credibility to people's agent headcanons and backstories, especially given that we don't know when we(the sheriff) was activated or if they even were technically.

nocturne arrow
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And the Hyenas... just no. They're not built for that, and too drugged out of their minds. Hell, they're being CIA'd by Black Tusk for grenade launchers and such.

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I got censored TWICE because I wanted to point out some of the names those clowns have on their payroll.

radiant citrus
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True lol, though the hyenas were never a factor in my mind anyways lmao

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It was more, that I was considering BT, the true sons or maybe at a stretch the outcasts. But even I admit that the plague bearers are pretty unlikely candidates

nocturne arrow
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We definitely activated, given we have access to our tech, smart lenses, ISAC Brick, and all.

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The Outcasts, are Al-Qaeda or GLA with a thin coat of American painted on them.

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Suicide bombers, psuedo-religious fervour, and all.

radiant citrus
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True, no guarantee we couldn't have defected though, given the amount of agents at the white house we have, it's not like we have a shortage of division tech, and tbf, the scavenged possibility would account for the brick and everything else too really.

spare arrow
nocturne arrow
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Now, it gets even less likely, because the Outcasts cannot, doctrinally, get Rogue Agent support to hack into SHD tech.

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We represent the government, and the ones who put them behind the island, and yes, those two clowns were who came into mind...

radiant citrus
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True, weirdly though weren't some rogues allied with the outcasts?

nocturne arrow
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Only to spread the disease, during the Manhunt, I think, but I kind of felt the Outcasts would have made a play to bomb the Rogues they were with once they released the Eclipse virus.

radiant citrus
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Most likely yeah. They were allied, but only temporarily. Cause of the similar goal

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BT though, definitely not at all far fetched that someone could defect and they either scavenged or were given division tech. And then there's just the whole classified status can of worms.

nocturne arrow
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They're packing DIAMOND as their AI of choice, they're working with McManus, who has the Hunters, and more so, access to dead Division Agents' watches, and they already have a high technical background, given their Warhounds, drones, and more.

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And apparently, they've been active before our Div 1 Agent set foot in Manhattan, or even before being activated in Brooklyn.

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Seeding the conflict, doin covert recon...

radiant citrus
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Yeah, can definitely see why people go for the whole ex BT or BT spy backstory. Cause at the very least it's believable because of who BT are. And we don't know who their operatives are, not just that but given Schaeffer, it's not entirely far fetched that someone else would want to swap sides for whatever reason.

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And again, that "classified" status Jack Bonnie had during his trial phase to become a Hunter, was likely arranged by McManus, that Anus.

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Yeah, not to mention Sokolova's not really sure about her people. Remember, McManus has Hunters already embedded within Sokolova's BT, and she didn't even know about it, who's to say she didn't even know who might have been an unactivated Division Agent in her ranks?

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Yeah, that's true. And then there's just the Faye Lau argument. Where it could just as easily be possible that they were always division and were spying on BT

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Though Lau is a different story altogether, even if she was playing double agent

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Can't have an unactivated Division Agent within the True Sons, though. All of them were listed as Traitors on the spot.

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The ones with the most overlap, are really the SHD, BT, and the Department of Homeland Security (McManus and the Hunters).

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Yeah, true. Only exception I guess would be Lewis' crew. But even then, unlikely.

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Theoretically, the odds of a Division Agent who had been selected into the Hunter program, and embedded into BT, is marginally slim, but still plausible, if improbable.

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I do like how they are doing something more with the True sons though as opposed to just making them 1D and just generally blindly following Ridgeway's post mortem ideals

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Well, we kinda had some with Captain Lewis, but...

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Fat Wall is the only known face of Captain Lewis' True Sons faction.

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General Anderson is likely just one more faction, and there may well be more factions of True Sons aside from his, and the late Captain's crew.

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Yeah, I know 😂 tis' a shame. Though, just cause he's... Y'know, doesn't mean our little alliance has ended. Also for whatever reason, what actually happened with General Anderson? Cause in his manhunt he went with Sokolova

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They're going to be splintered, thanks to General Ridgeway being... er... indisposed, thanks the Sherrif.

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It's just that General Anderson has the biggest slice of the pie, as it were.

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We could probably do with more faces from Lewis' crew, not just the Fat Wall. She couldn't have been all that's left of his guys who came over to our side, otherwise, what's the point? We have a new technician, but well, that's it.

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Okay, we got Ransom, at least.

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Definitely a plus. Not much, but a plus.

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Actually, looking back on enemy archetypes... Is Wally a... was she a True Sons grenadier who got kicked out for being too fat to lob a grenade?