#division-universe

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ashen jungle
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There's officially called "Underground", basically just scavengers yeah.
They're also rarely seen around sewer grates above ground, and the Heavy unit in a specific encounter is where you get the Pistol Flashlight from.

frail coyote
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Only thing we know for certain about the West coast is that Seattle was largely unaffected

sick lantern
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we know that?

frail coyote
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Forget the name of it off my head, but when you do the Fau Lau manhunt in the cottage with the big picture window, if you interact with the computer laying on the desk you get 13 comms, the something reports. In it they say that western Canada, specifically Vancover was largely unaffected, and since Seattle is spitting distance from Vancover it can be assumed so.

sick lantern
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oh the Langley reports

median crag
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Do we ever figure out what happens to the Vigilante from Div1?

mint citrus
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I don't think so

sick lantern
median crag
sick lantern
median crag
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Any idea where I can find it?

sick lantern
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Get em all, you'll find it eventually petter clear that map

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Somewhere in the north east like the rest of his story I presume

median crag
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Gotcha, I've been going through a majority of them

raw yew
raw yew
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I hope the dlc has a lot of missions so we can spend more time in that region.. I’ve recently been spending a lot of Time in nyc but you don’t really get to fight much of one faction unless you spend your time in a mission or looking for their activities due to how small and lacking the content is

knotty folio
raw yew
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That’s cause pvp is forced and the zones are relatively small. If it was more of random encounters (can’t see people on the map unless you’re near them like in RDO) it would be more interesting but in its current state you could be on opposite ends of the map and get farmed relentlessly if you’re doing anything other than pvp

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Each dz also has quirks, ie west has elevated areas that are inaccessible unless you go from a certain area, same with south as it has lower elevations that really make it harder to run so you’re stuck in a fight

glossy oyster
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Honestly the tension that the first DZ had is why 2's feels lackluster to me

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1's was just larger overall so it gave a feeling of anxiety running around, hoping not to run into agents

raw yew
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Yea being able to see each other on the map and jumping to checkpoints near extractions kills the rogue element

cold bramble
raw yew
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How many comms are there so far in season 11

drowsy fable
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ubisoft must worse servers ever fK them it was my first n last game from ubisoft
[7:41 AM]
steam epic games rockstar activition bilizzard never crush like ubisoft after a year bug n glitch still same st repeated events n challenges boring
[7:43 AM]
dz now became like dv 1 full of cheaters they ruined summit

sick lantern
drowsy fable
ashen jungle
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@drowsy fable You're welcome to critisise, but keep it in a single channel and don't make personal attacks.

drowsy fable
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we are here talking about game

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its not personal

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its reality

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i dont like to pretend like nothing happened n ubisoft thinks we are stupid

ashen jungle
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It's a pointless conversation, because this channel is to discuss lore, not complaining about things.

drowsy fable
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as long as staff watch this its enough for me

ashen jungle
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There is only one member of the Ubisoft Team currently here.
If you want to contact them, do so via a support ticket or twitter.

drowsy fable
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who is that guy?

ashen jungle
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Look on the right side of the screen, "the division team" is Ubisoft staff.
don't ping them, it's against the rules.

drowsy fable
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ok

raw yew
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Is kelso the head of the division? Over the radio at the campus she gets asked “so Agent Kelso how does it feel to effectively be the head of the Division”

haughty palm
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I mean, when your disconnected from other cells and infrastructure, whoever is the lead essentially is the defacto head, right?

sick lantern
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as an senior agent and DC local, she would naturally be the regional commander in absence of the assigned one

ashen jungle
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Especially with Lau being Rogue (and dead), she's likely the most senior Agent still living that's on mission.

restive phoenix
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I don’t think the head of the division would be on ground they would probably be in one of the cores there would probably just be local commanders in charge of local operations

ashen jungle
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Actually, the acting Commander was Lau, as mentioned in div1 after the chopper was RPG'd by Keener and pals & the OG one died.
There is likely some sort of command structure somewhere, but a lot of them are dead. The SHD is intended to operate independently after all.

hasty bear
ashen jungle
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I guess technically Manny is in charge of the entire SHD right now, since he's probably the highest ranking government official in DC still.

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I'd probably suggest thinking of it as Manny is the paper work guy, Kelso is the actual "boots on the ground" operations.

raw yew
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Manny was given a new assignment by a General in the JTF I believe… which was to take charge in the White House and help give orders to division agents… given the nature of this seasons comms apart from Lewis I’d think that Kelso and Manny are under black tusk radar which if they were to step foot outside of the white house … they might get ambushed

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Also is interesting because no one outside of the inner circle seems to know Schaffer is rogue or intended to be (go against BT)

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What I don’t understand tho is what was so important in season 2 manhunt what went down at Coney Island that makes manny paranoid about Black tusk pulling up to the Potomac?

hasty bear
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Also to the left side of the WH is an echo showing previous manhunt targets scoping the place out, WE know they're under watch but I don't think Manny/Kelso know (even know Kelso stands around by the helicopter out front which is why I think she doesn't know)

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But again, I think canonically she always is downstairs in the basement

raw yew
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I think my one gripe with the game is as soon as you come across another story division agent, they are bound to either end up dead or wounded…

It’s kind of become a bit too predictable… I was looking forward to saving Agent Edwards, but that mission alone was pretty cool just they never made any connections, they could do something with a later season. I did the classified assignments recently and already knew what was going to happen to the Agent due to them being reckless

restive phoenix
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Yeah at this point it’s just assumed every other agent will just bull rush the enemy and get wiped out before we can help it’s happened every time

raw yew
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So Kelso being “one of the last surviving agents in DC” is weird as she usually goes off on her own or becomes reckless though she’s recently started to calm down knowing that Agents have a potential to go rogue and her and Manny being the few to rise of of Attrition makes them the few stowaways that u can’t really put in danger

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We also never encountered agent brooks again (sinkhole CP) shd tech cache

hasty bear
raw yew
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They scout as your agent approaches DC

hasty bear
raw yew
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I found it one time … I think the intention was to find it on your way to invaded DCD

sick lantern
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they explicitly mention your agent rocking up to the white house

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iirc

raw yew
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but nerds fast traveled

hasty bear
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It's been a few months since I found it and tryna remember details like that with ADD is hard xD

raw yew
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But I think they disable fast travel to invaded missions in the tiers anyways

late void
raw yew
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Also Galveston I think

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Mr Ellis bodyguard

sleek plover
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Macmanus is actually an alien from uranus

tepid crescent
brittle star
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How do you open the lift in basement of art museum which is accessible at campus settlement underground garage?

jagged fox
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does anyone know how Australia and New Zealand are doing in the lore of the division franchise? NGN made a video on how the rest of the world was doing but they didn't mention the pacific and he had to essentially just make it up

late void
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we only have the same sources of information that NGN does - if he doesn't know, it's because there's no info available

jagged fox
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also what's the status of like
the actual U.S military
i know the national guard became the JTF but what happened to like
everyone else

ashen jungle
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It should be noted that the JTF aren't just the national guard, it's basically any city workers+volunteers that didn't join another faction.
Cops, firefighters, Garbagemen, etc, etc.

jagged fox
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right, but did the active-duty military get absorbed into that as well?
also
what was the second wave doing before they were activated?
if i understand correctly, the second wave was "activated" well after the collapse of society, which essentially means they were still sleepers until the first wave failed
so like
what is a highly trained operative gonna be doing in the apocalypse other than ensuring continuity of government?

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one more thing
i assume that the use of bows by division agents is essentially due to some logistical advantage to not needing bullets. but given the rampant gun culture in america, shouldn't procuring ammunition not really be much of a problem? or am i missing something here?

ashen jungle
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Yep, JTF is basically any good guy that was around was given a green vest and told to go help. Military, National Guard, that random guy who works at mcdonalds, etc, etc.
Second Wave was activated after the Dark Zone stuff happened, not "significantly after" exactly. A few months at most I'd say, since it's still Winter in div1.
That's the mission statement of the Division, yep.

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Use of bows by Agents?

jagged fox
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xbow and kajika's compound

ashen jungle
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Kajika is a niche situation, since he's customised a lot of his gear to be focused around assassination, since that is his goal since going Rogue.
The Crossbow is SHD tech developed by DARPA. And it doesn't use regular arrows, but explosive tipped unique bolts.

jagged fox
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i call bullshit
there's a reason practically no one uses bows for actual modern combat

spare arrow
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you can call bullshit but its what the game tells us

ashen jungle
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I honestly don't know what you're calling BS on. The SHD are not a standard armed force. They are equipped for a unique situation and 1 of 6 spec weapons is in that area.

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You can say the exact same thing about the GL, or the minigun. Or a Flamethrower.

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If you're trying to focus on pure realism, the Skills infinitely regenerating or having unlimited ammo is a good place to start.

jagged fox
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don't worry i'm not like

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actually pissed or anything

spare arrow
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kajika having a compound bow is because he's trying to do the silent killer thing
SHD Xbow is because its cool, probably

ashen jungle
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I never liked the argument of "it's not realistic" when it comes to div2.
You know what's not realistic? Having an entire platoon of trained deep-cover agents and the story never leaking to the wide press in the age of smartphones and 1 person drinking too much.

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Ya just gotta embrace it a bit. It's a video-game at the end of the day. The lore works in its own context, that's what matters.

jagged fox
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honestly the division has a really intriguing premise from a gameplay perspective and interesting lore but imo they completely missed the mark in execution
"solve complex problems with limited resources" ok well shooting people isn't terribly complex and bullets do not appear to be a limited resource

ashen jungle
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"shooting people" is not the complex problem. Ensuring continuity of government in a world where 99% of them are all dead is a complex problem.

spare arrow
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bullets arent, the specialty stuff (like explosive crossbow bolts or grenade launcher ammo) is

jagged fox
ashen jungle
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The Settlements we help to grow and rebuild.

spare arrow
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because we arent the ones who are supposed to, by techicality
we just keep the bad guys from destroying critical parts of the former cities and kill their leadership so they hopefully scatter

ashen jungle
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Castle (in the future), Campus, Theatre, White House, BoO Post Office, even Haven to an extent.
Plus the Safe Houses we help clear the big baddies from the area and retake Control Points for the JTF.

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Oh and what Aspect said, we also help keep the infrastructure up and running.

jagged fox
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eh, that's not enough settlement-building mechanics for me personally
they should release a Suzerain-style division game where you're actually rebuilding america's infrastructure/institutions and making economic/political desicions

ashen jungle
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Let's use Countdown as an example. We stopped it from having a meltdown and destroying tons of the surrounding area and people losing power en-masse.

spare arrow
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to be fair if you want a settlement builder, division isnt the game

jagged fox
ashen jungle
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I recommend State of Decay if you want one that's got more of an action portion to it. Building and maintaining your base is quite a lot of fun, and the 3rd one is coming out soon-ish.

spare arrow
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there are other games that do it better, and i'm not convinced you cant just slap some apocalypse type skin on it

ashen jungle
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^Having grown up in the age of terrible settlement builders that were essentially just skins of better ones, Aspect is 100% right here.

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see also: platformers, shooters, open worlds, etc.

spare arrow
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also whats you point supposed to be? if its "division should be a city builder" then i dont really know what to tel u

jagged fox
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look i'm not saying "division bad"
i just personally think that, when you talk about elite operatives dedicated to preserving continuity of government during a collapse of society, the combat isn't the most interesting part

ashen jungle
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I see the genesis of the idea you have for a city builder set in the div universe, but I honestly don't think that it suits the setting that much. Unless you want to RP as that one lady's husband.

spare arrow
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considering how much the BTSU had their hands in, it was orchestrated

ashen jungle
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The fact that Black Tusk supplied the enemy factions with guns+supplies is rather important to remember when considering how the story progressed.

spare arrow
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if you want a city builder that is just elite operatives perserving continuity of government after a collapse of society, make a city builder yourself, this is a looter shooter from the beginning, we arent the ones directly doing the small stuff like planning a city or whatever, we are specifically meant to make sure noone can swoop in after the fall of society and try to instate a diffferent government

jagged fox
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i mean not even really a "city builder" in the numbers-focused sense
i mean like a more roleplay-focused game where you design and manage institutions, deal with factions, and make important, wide-reaching desicions that affect the future of the entire u.s, optionally with traditional 4x elements
do you guys know what Suzerain is?

spare arrow
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my gamer this is a looter shooter, not even really an RPG in that sense- we dont have the authority to do any of that

jagged fox
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make a city builder yourself
Am not game designer and have no money

ashen jungle
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There's a lot of post-apocalypse focused city builders if that's what you're looking for.

spare arrow
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would a city builder/whatever the hell else you said in the Div universe be cool? sure. does it fit with Div2 at all? no.

spare arrow
jagged fox
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are we arguing? i don't want to be arguing
i'm just sayin what i think

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main point is, yes, city builder in div universe would, in fact, be cool

spare arrow
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my main point is div1 and div2 arent city builders

jagged fox
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i think it would be cool if they had stronger city-building and roleplay elements while still being a shooter

ashen jungle
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Modding is a thing. Since it's basically impossible that MSV/any other studio with the licence would ever actually go down that route, you might as well tweak a current one.

jagged fox
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i'm actually hoping to do a tabletop game set in the div2 world
found a gm but they won't be available until next week

ashen jungle
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I miss D&D, been far too long since I've played a game.
Ah well, I'm sure they'll get back to it before too long.

jagged fox
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you wanna play in mine? it would help to have an actual division nerd instead of, like, some guy who watched his dad play it before said dad got bored with it

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not technically d&d

ashen jungle
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It's somewhat tempting, but I don't really tend to link up with other people.
Plus there's literally no time in my schedule to dedicate time to a tabletop.

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and my SO gets priority, ya know how it is.

jagged fox
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the worst thing about capitalism is that no one has any time for tabletop

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i fully believe hobby shops should replace the church and other oppressive institutions as the primary 3rd space and social glue of the modern age

ashen jungle
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Let's leave IRL stuff out of this place. That is just a road to arguments.

jagged fox
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ok

rain canopy
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Can someone catch me up on the whole black tusk thing

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I started playing again n I have no idea wth the story is

ashen jungle
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Before someone here does, if you want a first-hand account, you can just replay the 1-30/World Tier storyline.

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Doesn't take that long and it's a lot of fun revisiting the old days.

sick lantern
surreal hearth
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The time will soon come

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Stovepipe will soon be eliminated or escaped

kind hare
late void
surreal hearth
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Gotta check for those nook and crannies

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Ok I’m betting a 50-50 change against stovepipe

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After Anderson escape I’m worried that Natalya’s valuable artillery asset will instantly yeet him out of here before we could even kill him

late void
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I doubt they'd do that two manhunts in a row, would just frustrate the players

surreal hearth
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We want bloods to fight not cowards behind a lady in a white suit with her goddamn hovercrafts

mint citrus
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The head of the PTA will pay for wearing white after Labor Day

surreal hearth
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She not just the white suit but if you look closer she has a pendant with the sokolov concern logo on it meaning that every single black tusk equipment they are came from that manufacture so basically they wear what we have for years

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Though rumor has it she has some “benefactors” and “shadowy government faction board” that operates black tusk

lilac storm
kind hare
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I think it HAS been years lol

lilac storm
# kind hare I think it HAS been years lol

Mf get on it lol. You know you have a enough of a following. Let us nerds have a place again for lore 😆 💪🏻. Congrats on the recognition from the devs btw man. Cool to see the lore daddy himself up there.

drowsy sky
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Javier Kajika and Unexpected/Mistaken Rogue Status?

In the comm 'Rogue Agents' in the Kajika case, you hear ISAC classify him as a rogue agent; "you seeing this?". The agent with him, Collins, is suprised by this; saying "his ring's red".

Why was Kajika suprised by being classified as Rogue.

Fundamentally, was there truly an overlap where agents would wrongly be classified as Rogue?

surreal hearth
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||I KNEW IT I KNEW IT WAS ON CONLEY ISLAND||

surreal hearth
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||It’s confirmed we are facing a dangerous wave agent under the black tusk control ||

fringe gale
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💀

ivory solar
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There are three guidelines but they aren’t specific

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And it all depends on the one thing that has to determine those guidelines, ISAC

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And we don’t know exactly what goes on in the mind of that machine

surreal hearth
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Stovepipe was nothing more than a mere distraction and Natalya has ridiculous backdoor fundings along with her off the book backups the hunters

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I’ve never seen her go all out on us

late void
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Natalya knows we have extra thick plot armor so wisely just moves us out of the way

fringe gale
surreal hearth
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To make matters worst she’s threatening us with extremist mode now that she has her powerful assets at her disposal

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Black tusk, the real true sons, and lasty the hunters

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We need the echelon faction now more than ever

round sinew
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Sokolova's monologue is silly

raven zephyr
round sinew
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Lol what no.

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It's just a bit of moral dialogue poking fun at the player character talk no-jutsu'ing several people.

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As if we haven't executed hundreds just for being associated with enemy factions without question or comment.

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As if the player character(s) haven't canonically mowed down dozens of her own hand-picked leaders, specialists, and rogue agents and hunters.

sick lantern
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Alright so apparently on the ninth of every month someone is gonna whine about wokeness in this channel good to know

delicate escarp
ivory solar
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Bro like I know we were complaining about how easy this manhunt is but the ai of this sparkle warhound or whatever it’s called could literally beat a chess engine. Like I swear it’s predicting my moves

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Launching grenades over my head while I’m running away as if it’s an nfl qb throwing deep passes to a wr

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If there’s a piece of cover between the two of us 9/10 times it’ll launch it the exact direction I’m going

haughty palm
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I mean, Ubisoft is already using AI to write scripts so they don’t have to pay writers anymore (especially since the strike is going on. And the Directors contract is up soon and the actors one is up in June) So they could be using AI for the games. And people want smarter AI in games lol 😂

ivory solar
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Well they are using ai that learn from players for siege at least but I did not expect sparkle to be this advanced

haughty palm
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Look at the leaps in just the last 5 months. It’s ramping up faster and faster

shy ridge
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Is the Flamethrower warhound a cut enemy? Because if you die to it it has a completely made death bio thingy

frail coyote
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at this point, someone needs to put a bullet in Manny's head

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he's a serious liability, who actually lets someone who betrayed them outright into their community

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especially after the Micro coms, he's a clear opportunist who has shown he will betray you without as second thought

lone salmon
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And tbf Natalya herself did question the move

frail coyote
lone salmon
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Yeah, probably

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Definitely implied

floral gull
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Damn

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Ethan Michaels is still alive after all that

drowsy sky
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There's a guy on Reddit who data mined, it's got the whole year 5 synopsis for anyone interested

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He predicted the last season's to a tee

delicate escarp
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Must... resist... Seeing the y5 spoilers....

patent narwhal
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I will remind that no leaks as per rule 7

drowsy sky
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Ok my bad

surreal hearth
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Now I remember

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I’m surprised it hasn’t happened to me with that guy

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Natalya think she has won that she now has the most powerful factions in her arsenal and called us water bottlers however

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This whole saint Louis is confirmed real and her actions has attracted some ugly attention between the rogues and the outcast

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Her power hungry attitude is going to create a challenge vacuum among the other factions that now wants these superpowers dead on

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Until then Wally is a hero of the SHD if she hadn’t implemented those mobile cloud servers we wouldn’t be using any of our skills in the first place

floral gull
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I like how the white house is changed again. We might see it back to normal in the next updates though

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Hmm I was about a season early on that

knotty folio
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where is the summit? is it in new york?

late void
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It's available from both NY and DC, outside to the north of the main map area

sick lantern
late void
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As if I check what channel I'm in 😂

sick lantern
# knotty folio where is the summit? is it in new york?

it’s in NYC but the specific street address is never said, presumably somewhere between the div 1 and 2 maps
there’s speculation that it’s loosely based on a real intelligence/otherwise secretive building that has iirc similar covers on the windows

knotty folio
outer hill
# knotty folio where is the summit? is it in new york?

if you're talking about the specific street for the summit, its by 34th st near hudson yards. its beyond the bounds from both games so there's no way to visit the building in person. unless we had a new area.....new DZ maybe? 😂

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If we're speaking lore, I have a question. What's happening on the west coast while all of this is going on in DC and NYC? I know we're hearing more about St. Louis but what's going on in places like Las Vegas or San Francisco? 🤔

storm crystal
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Or what about Boston? Got name dropped one or two times lately

sick lantern
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surely they could've had Sanders show up in the mission and then you could just pretend that the player character was just... hiding offscreen or something

lethal cedar
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some said that the summit is in fact that NSA building on 33 thomas street, which is also a tall building with no windows , not sure if the theory is true or just theory though

sick lantern
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that's the one I was thinking of

storm crystal
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Did i miss something about faye lau storyline?
In only got the coms from her mission tho
But in her coms she really sounds reasonable and with good intentions. Like an undercover agent who spoils her own cred to get to the rotten root.

Thought at the manhunt mission she talks completely egomaniac. Trying to flee with BT and painting ShD bad. Saying she will bury us like Keener.

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It completely paradox to why she even went rogue/undercover in the first place

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Didnt she do it because she wanna protect us from Ellis and BT and all this shit

storm crystal
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Hm...so as we couldnt talk to schaeffer as he is in coma we didnt know what he and faye were planning. It was atleast part of the plan to swap schaeffer over to division. And maybe get whole Black Tusk out of Sokolova and McManus grip.
So Faye still wanted to support us.
But because we couldnt get the intel from Schaeffer we hunted her down.

She even said before to schaeffer that he should be careful getting captured by division cause we are trained to headshot.

I guess we were too trigger happy on Lau aswell.
Are we the baddies.gif ?

haughty palm
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Or poor writing

sick lantern
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That’s usually the answer

surreal hearth
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It’s yet another bread crumb to follow and I got a feeling that this will turn into a far cry scenario where we face some ultra villain like Natalya with “unlimited power” like it was some Star Wars scene

nocturne arrow
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I mean, there's that new electric AR exotic coming up, The Senate.

delicate escarp
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Sadly. I bet they were afraid of Disney lawyers lmao

nocturne arrow
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Bleh, I'll still call it the Senate. St. Elmo's Machine sounds like a holy Tickle-Me-Elmo doll.

elfin scarab
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ngl, Senate reminds me of Star Wars with the Senate and Palpatine and stuff, which... gives me more reason to call it the Senate due to the whole shock stuff it has going on.

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But St. Elmo's Engine will work, seems funnier that way

delicate escarp
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I like both with Senate at the top spot. Elmo is sure a weird name of all saints to choose from, maybe it's an obscure reference to something.

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Not to count that the devs are europeans and Sesame Street is not as big in here ye olde continent as it is in the US

haughty palm
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St. Elmo’s fire is a lighting phenomenon

elfin scarab
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I honestly started to look it up, it seems fitting now that "St. Elmo's Fire" is in the situation

delicate escarp
elfin scarab
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ngl, St. Elmo's Fire reminds me of Palp still and now I have a new reason to use St. Elmo's Engine as the name, as that shit looks cool

delicate escarp
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Very nice looking newer exotic model and the Capacitor remodel is sick

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I really hope the art director does the same with the Dread Edict, so finally we can have a hecking scope on that thing

elfin scarab
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Maybe something with Bluescreen too?

delicate escarp
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Yeah! well he said on twitter that he has more exotics he wants to rework, so here's hoping

elfin scarab
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Praise be the Art Director!

marble dawn
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Capacitor remodel? Im out of the loop

late void
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It had a new look in the pts

marble dawn
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Any screenshots of it?

late void
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Yes but you'll have to look for them

delicate escarp
knotty folio
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sooo ummm what happened to our original base of operations in d1? like is the area beyond that still good? like is it a pretty safe place now? or do we dont have much information?

sick lantern
knotty folio
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or we got no idea?

sick lantern
knotty folio
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dam

sick lantern
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They never mention that they had to move the BoO itself, and if anything truly catastrophic happened they would've mentioned it in WoNY one would hope
but instead they say that an attack on some settlement we've never heard of before is what screwed the JTF and made Rhodes form the Peacekeepers

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it's very dumb

patent narwhal
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they mention that upper manhattan was attacked by keeners group~~/eclipse(?idr)~~

surreal hearth
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I just figured out

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I figured out why leaving the black tusk is a deathwish

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Lau and schaeffer knew how extremely dangerous Natalya is

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Their conspiring to get killed by division agents was only way to escape the black tusk wrath we bruised schaeffer and survived it barely bud unfortunately our anger did forced our hands to kill lau brutally

ashen jungle
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I've read a lot of theories on here, that is certainly one of them.

sick lantern
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i don't think anyone was intending to get killed tbh

surreal hearth
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Stovepipe wanted out from black tusk after finding out what nat did but unfortunately when he tried to leave he became a lifeless body

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The cause of stovepipe death must have been murdered via a hunter hatchet

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And it’s a clean and zero blood

ashen jungle
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I amend my previous statement. This is now more ramble than theory.

surreal hearth
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Still

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Schaeffer survived but lau didn’t

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And stovepipe was murdered under unknown circumstances but to me it was a hunter

surreal hearth
sick lantern
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Lau was supposed to stay undercover or at least not be dead hence the comms are "Insurance Policy" not "Plan A"

ashen jungle
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The reason Lau didn't just say "hey, i was undercover, lets go get a beer" is a matter of debate.

surreal hearth
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She could have use that “cute helmet” like shaeffer did but she made her choice

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She chose to be a martyr instead

ashen jungle
#

A martyr to what?

surreal hearth
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A martyr to prove that your not on Natalya’s puppet strings

ashen jungle
#

Have you been drinking?

lavish galleon
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that seems very strange

surreal hearth
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No? I just woke up and had a hunch

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Still I believe that stovepipe costed his life when he cross a very dangerous women with dangerous powers on her hand

lavish galleon
#

so did the events of the survival mode actually happen or?

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to me it should've since it brought the hunters but then again it also has the feeling where it isn't canon if that makes sense

surreal hearth
#

I still don’t have the answers on how nat got that much back door allowance to throw nothing but drones and warhounds against us.

ashen jungle
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Underground came out before Survival did, just a reminder.

surreal hearth
#

I’ve never seen that level of reinforcement like that

lavish galleon
#

oh yeah, idk im just still unsure if survival is a canon event that happened in the story or just there to be gameplay stuff

ashen jungle
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The antivirals seem to be a thing, since Kandel.
So I don't see why not.

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I do miss when we had more grey-canon. Once you explain too much, it just starts creating plot leaps.

lavish galleon
#

mhm, whatever did happen to the underground systems in NY?

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guessing they got flooded

surreal hearth
#

Too bad the antivirals are useless to us now that nat stole the bioreactor from us

ashen jungle
#

Same thing that happened to the Post Office, canon tornado.

lavish galleon
#

ah alright

ashen jungle
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I like to think it was the actual one that hit Wall Street.

lavish galleon
ashen jungle
#

We took them at Tidal Basin, so no.

sick lantern
#

In Survival the agent secures experimental antivirals from the DZ
in Broken Dawn Kandel takes them to Ann Arbor, using them to create the BSAV

fast wharf
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If all tom clancy's universes are conected

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Does this mean once descent releases we also get a few more references to other tom clancy's games?

sick lantern
#

div is ousted from the ubisoft clancyverse

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very sad
and the descent trailer was just a bait and switch for the splinter cell outfit, especially for people like me who couldn't tell the difference between redesigned keener and redesigned fisher

dusk fractal
#

by redesigned fisher, zero? the one in R6 iirc?

sick lantern
#

yes

dusk fractal
#

the only redesigned fisher i'm familiar with is the blacklist fisher...and of course the one & only OG design fisher

knotty folio
sick lantern
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yea

knotty folio
#

dam i could not tell XD

dusk fractal
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hologram of keener

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since everything in the descent game mode is simulated

knotty folio
#

yea i know, still ngl i thought it was fisher

dusk fractal
#

though that would be something if SHD agents were in the clancyverse literature alongside other franchises

sick lantern
#

actually the newest splinter cell book references Div

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iirc an Echelon agent ices Amherst so the outbreak never happens

dusk fractal
#

lmao that is amazing, basically erasing div 1

knotty folio
#

oh dang XD and the agents lived there normal lives the end

good ending

fast wharf
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Then definitely they were activated some time or another

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Is there any R6 book or anything from the tom clancy's universes that references the division presence

sick lantern
fast wharf
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Ik the newest splinter cell book references the division

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But like

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Is there any other reference onto another books

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Or any time both operators and agents worked together

dusk fractal
#

wonder who'd have higher clearance, SHD or fourth echelon

lavish galleon
#

always wondered how reviver hives work

fast wharf
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Simple

sick lantern
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bro

fast wharf
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But it has a real long ass cooldown

lavish galleon
#

i know that but i mean like in lore wise

knotty folio
fast wharf
lavish galleon
# fast wharf ?

how does it function in the universe/lore not gameplay wise

fast wharf
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Oh right

lavish galleon
#

because it also revives incapacated agents

fast wharf
#

I guess they mix adrenaline with other medical chemicals to help your body

#

If the drone got no camera how tf does it know where enemies are

undone badger
#

So whats the Lore behind the dark zones

cosmic barn
#

things went to shit inside the zone

knotty folio
# undone badger So whats the Lore behind the dark zones

Originally this quarantine zone in the middle of Manhattan was heavily patrolled by the Joint Task Force and was created under the Government Order to ensure that those infected with the Green Poison virus could be contained.

However, the growing number of riots and supply shortages forced them to pull out, leaving behind much of their valuable gear, and abandoning many of The Division's First Wave of agents to fend for themselves. The Dark Zone is now mostly empty, lawless and basically an isolated zone; outside communication is limited, and dangerous gangs roam the streets in brutal conflict, fighting over the remainders.
(from the div wiki)

and then d2 each one has a small story with it

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Dark Zone East
Located near the East Mall, Dark Zone East was a military-occupied area. An explosion at a containment storage containing DC-62 led to massive causalities, forcing whatever was left of the JTF and the volunteers to evacuate the area and lead to the area being walled off. The wall off attempt was successful.

Dark Zone South
Located in Waterfront, Dark Zone South was the primary storage facility site for DC-62, as well as the back-up military base after DZ East was evacuated. A flood breached the vaults containing DC-62 and spilled it across the whole zone. The military and scientists within the zone were once again forced to evacuate and wall off the whole zone.

Dark Zone West
Located in Georgetown, the town willfully allowed the government to come in and fumigate the town with DC-62, long before the lethal effects were fully known. The area was walled off shortly after the first few deaths of the toxin happened, and is now a "ghost town".

(div wiki)

knotty folio
fast wharf
knotty folio
fast wharf
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Yet they put the fault on division and not on the JTF for abandoning them without any warning lmao

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They put the fault for division agents going rogue and not on JTF for simply leaving everyone without a single warning

sick lantern
#

oh boy, this shit again

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.

obtuse arrow
fringe gale
#

for the situation they were in, i can kinda blame em but not at the same time

sick lantern
#

rogues aren't victims

surreal hearth
surreal hearth
# obtuse arrow Yeah JTF are useless

Keep in mind the JTFs were mere volunteers of emergency responders they didn’t signed up for suicide mission which left that faction on serious disarray and dangerously blamed when the first wave arrived

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And ISAC is no saint either as well as ANNA the rogue AI node

surreal hearth
#

Tbh Gordon was a bio terrorist from day one he is the ultimate doomer of humanity

fast wharf
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And definitely if they did that aaron wouldn't go rogue and cause a Second deadly virus

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If i'm right aaron's vírus is a bit more deadly than dollar flu itself

surreal hearth
#

His existence was gone by his own creation but his legacy destroyed humanity and allowed dangerous rise of empire power to emerge to take Americas place

surreal hearth
fast wharf
#

Imagine If Aaron accidently broke a bottle of he's vírus while creating it

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End of WONY

surreal hearth
#

What’s even worst that the empire known as the black tusk now integrated with the true sons with a combination of hunters all under one Russia women

fast wharf
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XD????

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Counting the fact that faye knows well division she would tell agents weak points

surreal hearth
#

The biggest fear is how extremely dangerous the black tusk has become under the command of Natalya

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She’s focusing on a large fleet of hovercrafts, using other factions tech against us like the conely modified EMP, and lastly using cleaner technology to hybrid a dangerous prototype warhound such as sparkle against us

fast wharf
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I bet they will make a Black tusk raid

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Unlike the airport

surreal hearth
#

We crippled the black tusk on the raid once

fast wharf
#

Airport was for exporting products

surreal hearth
#

Destroying two of the early stage super warhound prototypes along with a fleet of razorbacks

fast wharf
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If i'm right

surreal hearth
#

And if you know the razorback we took down was a super one

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Because it had a multi system that needs 8 agents to hack, assault, and destroy

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But after that stovepipe set up we all walked into on Conley island

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Nat has some serious backdoor allowance

surreal hearth
#

This is evidence thanks to NGN that cleared this up

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Apparently Andersons leadership lacks ambitious like Natalya to control his true sons

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Nat isn’t too happy about the true sons decaying the alliance so when stovepipe found on that the nukes were stolen he wanted out

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Unfortunately nat sent a relief team to recover him but instead she sent a hunter to slit stovepipes throat, clean his blood neck, then put his corpse standing by the mortar artillery as we became the bait for a rigged autonomous trap.

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And we triggered it making us fight her robotic units

knotty folio
#

how did the hunters use mask in d1 survival? like they were in a dz with no mask?

nocturne arrow
#

Masks under the ballistic mask, I expect. Or built into ballistic face mask.

cursive tapir
#

Or, alternatively, they're somehow immune to the virus. I'm still convinced the hunters have been chemically/genetically/cybernetically enhanced somehow given that it doesn't seem they can speak properly

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Which reminds me, is the sleeveless hunter in the season 11 trailer the first time we've seen one with exposed skin?

lavish galleon
cursive tapir
#

ahhh intriguing

nocturne arrow
#

Summer is hot, the sun's out, guns out.

tulip patio
#

and ontop of all that yeah we use the masks in DZ all the time, but I think it's more of a gameplay thing that the entire place requires one, even out in the open where we see the hunters ourselves

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and the hunters weren't even all that settled on with the devs back then I assume

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what we knoe of em is recent lore

ivory solar
#

Previous Hunters in div2 have exposed skin such as Deceit iirc where they had military tattoos

sick lantern
#

lotta people in div 2 hate sleeves

tawny frost
wary quiver
#

So captain Lewis was a gangsta

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I really wonder if we’re gonna get a special manhunt

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Sokolova as the main target

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And 4 of her personal guards

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But this also raises a question. I need to get the 4 other ivory keys off the hunters And also how many hunters are there truly? We got the real true sons, black tusk and hunters. Besides us agents ( the players ) we’re really all that the White House has left. We donate gear to em but we never see a power scale where shit gets upgraded or JTF getting grounded with better hardware and weapons.

obtuse arrow
wary quiver
#

In the apocalypse ( Idk a better word to call it )

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Captain Lewis died for us

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We held Schaefer hostage and got info outta him

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Captain Lewis dapped homeboy up and said we gon enjoy some wine

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He took that rifle. Positioned himself on that bed. And took 3 of those black tusk down. I’m not saying it’s normal but black tusk pack military grade gear and weapons.

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That hunter capped him and threw a axe.

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I wished they didn’t do a echo of his death. But rather a video recap

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Instead of us getting a isac echo. Maybe a randomly placed camera ( it’s the White House ) could’ve showed us his badassery

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Like Idk why but that felt gangsta

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Captain Lewis was down for us and he died holding his own.

knotty folio
#

ok so i got a theory on why the agents in heartland have a different looking patch holder

in d1 New York gets hit agents just got activated thus having to make a patch onto anything like the coats, quick easy and works

but in d2 they had more time to prep so the band patch and thus perhaps depend on where the agent is they got different looking patch holders as a fast indicator on where they come from thus why heartland has a different looking patch holder

is this a silly little theory i thought off yea but why not lol

surreal hearth
#

Captain Lewis died a hero even though he was a true son himself

surreal hearth
wicked gorge
#

Anyone think Keeners still alive? Ik the odds are extremely low but imagine he’s pulling some strings in the background of everything

steady shore
#

well he did have create the rogue network and "activated" his legacy

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wich were rogues meant to carry on his work

wicked gorge
#

True, but we’re going back to New York in season 3 and that season is about Keener so what if he survived and makes a alliance with the division to kill the hunters

earnest hawk
near hinge
#

do you need warlords of newyork to reach level 40?

late void
#

yes

fringe gale
sick lantern
#

the most important piece of SHD tech, the alternate arm band

tropic pebble
#

excuse me, where can i find the stauts of a player in dividion 1

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like, in this server I type his name and then the bot will list all the data

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im currently using mobile phone

sick lantern
fast wharf
#

It all kinda makes sense now

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Aaron said before dying "you have no Idea what's coming"

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And then natalya became captain of the black tusk, true sons and the hunters

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Making this a real threat to the division

wicked gorge
#

Okay people im bored give me your best theories

fringe gale
#

for what

wicked gorge
#

Anything

sick lantern
storm crystal
surreal hearth
#

I think we know how they manage to shut down our SHD nodes

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Anyone that read the recruiter book knows what the black tusk have stolen that allowed nat to disable the main SHD node networks

sick lantern
#

Having read Recruited and Compromised, although I might need to reread Recruited cus I seem to have misplaced some details, I can guess you’re right but it seems like we surely would’ve heard about it-no flashy deactivation of anything like in the intro cutscene? I guess we’ll see next season how bad it really is
the whole situation with the logistics of the SHD network is a nonsensical mess anyway- at this point I’m just annoyed that after the SHD getting one-upped by the Black Tusk at launch, meandering through the seasons, we’ve just been beaten again in more detail this time and despite all our efforts there is no real win we have to counterbalance. in the words of the great Rick Vilassi “not a damn thing changed!”

late void
#

I would assume that since hunters have the tech to hack our skills, and backing from homeland, it's entirely unsurprising that they can also disable the shd network.

wicked gorge
#

Also I haven’t read compromise yet is it good?

surreal hearth
#

The reason why I bought this one up is thanks to NGN mentioning it on the recruited novel according to the novel the Maria’s program was designed as a fail safe to counter the rogue agents and prevent them from using SHD tech against the division but was never activated due to unknown reasonss

wicked gorge
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I saw the video yesterday and figured that’s where you got the theory from

surreal hearth
#

I’m guessing and this is far fetched that the black tusk used stolen SHD combined with the hunter watches to locate the hidden codes in order to shut down the division network locally

sick lantern
wicked gorge
#

Y’all can spoil it if you want

surreal hearth
#

Why locally? It’s because nat knows that she’ll attract even more attention far more problematic than the division

wicked gorge
#

Also I believe Maria’s program only disrupt their tech like turrets and drones

sick lantern
surreal hearth
wicked gorge
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Think about it like this, the division is already on its last legs, they started to get their fighting spirit back after they reactivated the network, the shd network is basically the division nervous system, you neutralize the network the division is nothing more than a milita with no support

surreal hearth
#

It makes sense however

wicked gorge
#

Both ways yes, but i still believe they exploited their tech against them

surreal hearth
#

Some factions like the renegade true sons are scared on how dangerous the black tusk is becoming after finding out that cal is with nat

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If not for Wally and Lewis the division would have died completely

wicked gorge
#

Basically yeah

surreal hearth
#

Anderson failed to fully control his men knowing how many true sons do not like being embedded with the black tusk

wicked gorge
#

I thought the division already had a mobile server from Kenly college

surreal hearth
#

There was a mobile server on kenly college?

wicked gorge
#

That’s why she used stovepipe as a martyr

surreal hearth
#

Stovepipe suffered the consequences after turning against nat so she dispatch a hunter to slit his throat clean

sick lantern
# surreal hearth It makes sense however

quite frankly it really doesn’t they can’t decide how capable the network is
you can apparently
cause a regional shutdown by attacking a node (Asher tried this)
cause a national shutdown by attacking the DC node, which supposedly shuts down skills even though you can still use skills
cause a regional at least shutdown by attacking a Core, and I guess all three of those equally cover a third of the country and there’s no overlap despite them being explicitly redundant to prevent this (events of Compromised)
cause a regional at least, potentially national, shutdown by deploying “a countermeasure”- it’s possible they’ve counteracted all three cores?

wicked gorge
#

Yeah we were sent on site to locate a Jtf engineer and recover a mobile shd server

surreal hearth
wicked gorge
#

Could be

sick lantern
wicked gorge
surreal hearth
#

I’m a 100% sure that a hunter killed stovepipe you don’t see blood trail anywhere

wicked gorge
#

Best guest they only shut it down locally to not alert any agents in the area

surreal hearth
#

A black tusk soldier would be reckless to kill a body with a bullet to the head then some agent would have noticed it and realized it was a trap all along

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I also realized that we lost our drone coordinator name Cindy

wicked gorge
#

Something that bugs me about it being Maria’s program is she’s a division agent now and you would figure she would have given the code to more agents so they could have a countermeasure for the countermeasures

surreal hearth
#

Not a 100% and I’ll need to check

wicked gorge
#

I do believe she sent a hunter to dispose of him due to their covert and efficient tactics

surreal hearth
#

Nat is obsessed with her pride of professionalism anything that steps out of line she uses cal and his hunters to “dispose” any sort of traitorous scenarios

fringe gale
#

thats gonna for sure catch up to her at some point

floral gull
#

Looks like Lewis died as a manhunt target after all

wicked gorge
#

#rip a real one

ivory solar
surreal hearth
#

I’m surprised they kidnapped only three people including Vick the guy that betrayed us after we needed batteries 🔋

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But they didn’t took vitaly only the bioreactor

wicked gorge
#

They kidnapped more

floral gull
#

Sokolova went full twirly mustache villain with that last com monologue

wicked gorge
#

They kidnapped more

sick lantern
restive phoenix
harsh siren
#

Can anyone tell me if Stovepipe manhunt is even alive or dead? Because I was surprised how it ended lol

gaunt ice
#

Yea man he’s alive he’s just tired after fixing those mortars

harsh siren
tulip patio
#

I felt like sitting down just like that too after running through the whole park

marble dawn
wicked gorge
#

Anyone else somewhat terrified how the division is compared to Covid

storm crystal
#

Uncanny valley effect i guess

wicked gorge
#

I mean how accurate it was to the game

brisk rampart
#

Will they ever release a ps5 verison for the division 2?

median crag
#

I don't know if there's an explanation, but what happened to that relief ship in the beginning of Div 1?

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Half sunk in the ice with a giant hole in the left side

sick lantern
#

presumably it tried to break through the quarantine and got shot for it, we don't know any details beyond guesswork from the environmental storytelling however

median crag
#

Could be, but its a huge ship, maybe the LMB could have done something to it?

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Cause I also see a carrier and 2 battleships

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Which I'm guessing those are actual US Navy

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Cause its a really big hole to be in one piece, especially from naval guns

sick lantern
sick lantern
median crag
#

Maybe a fire broke out?

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Well, shooting on a hospital ship in itself is a war crime, because its just a floating hospital

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And if its in blockaded waters from the USN, it wouldn't make sense for them to shoot at disaster relief vessle

late void
storm crystal
#

After reading all the langley documents i gotta say the whole sense of danger because of the virus outbreak feels way less dramatic

#

So many other countrys/places are actually doin somewhat okay for the circumstances

#

I really wished the devs would have doubled down on the apocalypse part instead of making it an american politics thriller 😒

median crag
#

Yeah, I enjoy the 2nd game, but I'd prefer if it kept that same danger/heaviness that the 1st one had

floral gull
#

Next season....We strike back!

tawny frost
sick lantern
#

that there are still fragments of society is a lot more endearing, unique and allows for more interesting potential developments than just a generic “end of the world mad max fallout everything sucks”

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also, did you really just complain about an American political thriller… in a Tom Clancy game????

mint citrus
#

That's kinda been Tom Clancy's... thing for basically forever

fringe gale
raven zephyr
#

@tawdry garden ban this idiot plz

fleet rover
#

is the Division only in the us, or the whole group wraps around the world?

patent narwhal
#

US only

fleet rover
#

welp

#

was planning to write out a story based in australia, but guess i can scratch that off

sick lantern
wicked gorge
sick lantern
wicked gorge
#

Define what cause@i said a lot

#

Didn’t mean the @

sick lantern
#

wdym "talk about an agent stationed in Moscow"

wicked gorge
#

Something from Ellis and the Langley reports I think, they we’re being briefed about the aftermath of green poison in different countries

sick lantern
#

and there was no mention of division agents being in Moscow or any other country in those

wicked gorge
#

There’s something in the game that talks about other countries, I thought it was the Langley reports but guess not

ivory solar
#

It is the Langley comms

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But there is no mention of SHD agents in Russia or any other countries as they are a domestic agency

#

Compare it to the FBI and CIA
FBI is domestic and operates in the US
CIA is international and works all over the world

#

If there was an agent in Moscow we certainly would’ve heard more about it

wicked gorge
#

Okay so misinformation on my end my bad

surreal hearth
#

It feels like the SDH can save what remains but cannot rebuild society as it’s brutally collapsed

ivory solar
#

Rebuilding society to what it was before sounds impossible but rebuilding society to a point where life is sustainable sounds possible as long as threats such as the Black Tusk are taken care of

wicked gorge
#

The easiest solution is for them to work together 😂

storm crystal
# sick lantern also, did you really just complain about an American political thriller… in a To...

To be fair its not even an original tom clancy and the division timeline is certainly its own universe. And the "tom clancy" sticker gets slapped on by ubi on everything anyway.

Still, im not against politic-thriller theme in general but i wish the virus would still be more the main theme of the game. The first games atmosphere and tone evolving around the virus and its aftermath was so awesome.

Now with div2 i already see how we go down the "walking dead" path and the typical theme of man is its own worst enemy.
But i think many of us were interested because of the more fantasy like aspects of such media. Be it zombies or a killer virus.

#

Losing track of this thread is like forgetting the core of the experience.

wicked gorge
stiff lily
fleet rover
#

(cough silly australian dogs cough)

sick lantern
# storm crystal To be fair its not even an original tom clancy and the division timeline is cert...

i’m also quite annoyed by how div 2 just sort of forget the virus was a plot element, but the division has always been about living in a fractured society, not a “functioning” anarchy from the likes of Fallout and etc
in div 1 you were stuck in a quarantine zone fighting zealots, criminal gangs and militarised fascist mercenaries
in div 2 you’re fighting similar enemies, it’s just the politics and societal context have changed quite a bit
so basically, not that div 2 didn’t drop the ball somewhat on the virus (the green poison’s role in the plot is borderline replaced with dc-62 lol) and the themes of the game, but the intrigue and plotting in the devastated environment is a continuation of what was seen in the first game more or less

ivory solar
#

I mean not showing much of the Green Poison in div2 just shows how deadly it is. It killed so many people that it no longer has enough hosts to become extremely dangerous again. But as the opening cutscene in div2 said, “We still live in fear of the virus. The Green Poison.”

sick lantern
#

Basically, it’s hard to care about saving people from the virus, when we can’t see people suffering from it

ivory solar
#

If anything I’d be worried about Eclipse but now that Keener died uh yeah that got pretty much abandoned

sick lantern
ivory solar
#

And now they’re doing DC-62 again. Like the Black Tusk could’ve just found what Keener made and used it but instead the writers turn to something else that we already dealt with

gaunt ice
median crag
sleek plover
#

Damn I hate LMB

nocturne arrow
#

I'd hate the Rikers more, they all need to be put down.

mint citrus
#

The True Sons are interesting, though I feel they're lacking in either subtlety or nuance

wicked gorge
#

True sons feel like the lamb

#

Lmb

glass kestrel
#

I'm trying to put something together and I'm trying to find some information. Does anyone know when the walls got put up around the Dark Zone in New York? Like, was it before the first wave activation, was it after, was it before the JFT consolidated, etc.
I'm looking for the most accurate "this is then the walls rose". If I can get a specific day, that'd be beautiful lol.

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I have the World of The Division book, but it's vague on when the place actually gets walled up.

storm crystal
#

All i know is that first wave got send in to help restore order in those quarantine zones (dont think they got called dark zones from the get go :D). So they defo were setup before first wave.

glass kestrel
wicked gorge
glass kestrel
#

I'm trying to put together a good timeline of events in New York, and I wanna know when the walls rose. I see that the walls started being built between Dec 6-10, and that the JTF and CERA pulled out around Dec 18-20, so that's a 10 day gap

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14 day gap at most

#

I suppose I can just cut it down the middle and say somewhere between Dec 14-16

wicked gorge
#

You watch NGN?

glass kestrel
#

I do, but I didn't see a "Story of The Dark Zone" by him.

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Well, he made ones for Div2, but I didn't see one for Div1

wicked gorge
#

Try his division timeline video from Black Friday to the black tusk invasion

glass kestrel
#

Gotcha

#

I'll check it out

wicked gorge
#

If not then just say it took 2-3 weeks for the dark zone to be established

glass kestrel
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Yeah, that's what I'm landing on, is just putting it around Dec 15th, halfway between when the wall started being made and when the JTF retreated

wicked gorge
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I remember writing stories about that all the time

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Makes me miss middle school

glass kestrel
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Yeah that's kinda what I'm doing now, but I wanna get my facts right

wicked gorge
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Whats your story over

glass kestrel
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At the moment, it's just the story of The Division, but being told by a Division agent who's just leaving comms around for people to find "just in case the mission fails, I want there to be a record of who we were."

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Kinda like The Storyteller from Shoddycast, but for The Division

sleek plover
wicked gorge
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Comns?

glass kestrel
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Pretty much, yeah. It won't be something to read, it'll be something recorded.

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Like, it'll just be a few audio recordings.

wicked gorge
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I did a few on me turning rogue but not following in keeners footsteps

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One of my personal favorites was the agent I wrote about was deeply embedded in the BTSU and was sabotaging their operations

glass kestrel
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God, I hate the BTSU.

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Like, they've gotten so powerful in the narrative that there's no way to feasibly get rid of them.

cold bramble
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The Hunters are my favorite and the Rogue Agents are my second favorite

gaunt ice
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Infact there’s like 2 times that they pose a true threat:tidal basin and the aftermath of this season

storm crystal
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I would like a story of a civilian becoming an agent over time. Like partnering up with a real agent, who dies. Making it a Mission to bring his stuff to the headquarters and slowly becoming an agent out of necessity himselfe. Maybe even getting false Flagged by ISAC as rogue and having a "redemption" arc and getting accepted as a real agent

ashen jungle
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An interesting concept, unfortunately it's not something that's valid, at least going by the ingame lore.
SHD Agents are not just decided based on what an Agent says, they're well, employees of the SHD. You can't be made one by another Agent, and the Tech will only work for them.

wicked gorge
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Thats the recruited novel technically

storm crystal
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That could be an interesting plot actually considering that McManus as the homeland chef can be considered rogue himselfe

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So SHD reforming as a civillian group

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Could work out plotwise

ashen jungle
wicked gorge
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Im sorry what

storm crystal
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i think he wants to say that extended universes can easily drive into fanfiction territory

ashen jungle
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She.
That's partially it, they also allow for a loose canon, which for me is an issue when a fandom allows too much of that.

wicked gorge
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“She” has a point you dont gotta make it cannon

storm crystal
glass kestrel
ashen jungle
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No problem.
@wicked gorge Why the quotation marks?

wicked gorge
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I was jokingly wasn’t trying to start anything

ashen jungle
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Yeah don't do that.

wicked gorge
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Sorry that’s my bad

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A thousand apologies

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A good story concept could be about a hunter stalking a division agent in survival and have the hunter die during extraction

glass kestrel
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Like, is there anything that's actually stating that there are events in the books and extended universe that shouldn't be considered canon?

ashen jungle
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Anyway, Was more talking in general about outside canon being added to official, like when authors are allowed to make additions and they aren't thought over properly.
e.g.

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Well, I'm sure you can add in your own from movie/tv/games that have gone on too long.

wicked gorge
glass kestrel
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Plus, we've seen that an individual who's not an employee of SHD can acquire and use SHD tech

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Like, back in Div1

wicked gorge
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Thats ever person in the game

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You could do a what if story

ashen jungle
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It should be no one. I always took the SHD Tech as similar to the gun in Judge Dredd, where it doesn't work unless you are allowed to use it/hack it in some way.

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Allowing just anyone to use it defeats what makes Agents special. Takes away our "super power".

glass kestrel
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But that seems like you're putting your own bias into it, rather than going by what's actually in-universe lore

wicked gorge
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Yeah I don’t like how rioters can use advance military tech

median crag
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I consider the special enemies in div 1 to be rogues, because that's with the LMB guys

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And I agree, anyone using it makes it less of a specialty thing

wicked gorge
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Lmb makes sense due to them having rogue agents in there ranks

ashen jungle
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Exactly, Rioters shouldn't be allowed to.
@glass kestrel Exact opposite of what I'm saying actually. That I don't want bias in it, just tighter canon control and some more thought put into the world-building.

wicked gorge
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If you ain’t publishing it then go wild with it

median crag
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Which is why I don't understand how enemies are using the watches after they kill/yoink it from an Agent, cause I feel like they're connected to the Agent's biometrics some way

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Like how ISAC shows the sepsis progression in Div 1 survival

wicked gorge
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That you can just write off as Isac has built in vital monitoring

ashen jungle
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The "A" part in his name gives that one a pass.

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Intelligent System Analytic Computer.

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And I believe he's an AI, so you can give him some leeway with learning things too.

glass kestrel
# ashen jungle Exactly, Rioters shouldn't be allowed to. <@432011320884330507> Exact opposite ...

Here's my thought, my own personal head-canon to explain this. When the SHD were activated, it was easy to see that things were on their way to "too far gone". So, they knew that they'd lose agents and that they'd lose typical recruiting capabilities. So, the number of agents would only go down. So, they made the decision to allow for agents to recruit in the field if their cell loses an agent.

ashen jungle
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I'm fine with fan works, I've been online long enough, we all have our own fan-fics in our heads, on paper.

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If it helps you make sense of the world, I say go for it. There's plenty of places ingame where you need suspension of disbelief.

glass kestrel
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Obviously there's no source for that, that's my fan-theory, but it's the only thing in my opinion that explains why people can become agents after black friday,

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Which is a thing that we know happens

wicked gorge
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I like the theory the SHD was a failed experiment

glass kestrel
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And again, we've seen people pick up and use div tech back in Div1 days, so we know that it can be used by people who aren't agents.

ashen jungle
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I'm aware that they can, but I disagree that they should be able to.

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I never really even liked Hornet making reviver hives canon.

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It's been good to talk some lore again, that is why I joined this Server way back when.

glass kestrel
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Did they actually say that it was a reviver hive that fixed Hornet? I thought he was just patched up by Keener after the fight

wicked gorge
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They didn’t

ashen jungle
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When I killed Hornet, I double-tapped him.
So unless Keener has the resurrection stone from Deathly Hallows, I'd say his chances are slim.

wicked gorge
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Hornet died for a few minutes but one of keeners rogues brought him back she was a surgeon

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Thats called game mechanics

glass kestrel
# ashen jungle I'm aware that they can, but I disagree that they should be able to.

But, you said "An interesting concept, unfortunately it's not something that's valid, at least going by the ingame lore.
SHD Agents are not just decided based on what an Agent says, they're well, employees of the SHD. You can't be made one by another Agent, and the Tech will only work for them." So, you're saying they can't use SHD tech, but they absolutely can.

ashen jungle
wicked gorge
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You would think ISAC would have a failsafe

ashen jungle
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Point of interest: did we ever get any lore about the Chameleon?

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Outside of "someone likes the Vector a bit too much"

glass kestrel
wicked gorge
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DARPA developed using cameras to blend in with the surrounding

ashen jungle
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You know what, considering that DARPA worked on actual rail-guns, I can buy that they'd make a gun that works better once you hit specific spots.

glass kestrel
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In my opinion, exotic weapons and exotic gear aren't canon. Unless you wanna track down in-universe lore why we have a rifle that sets people on fire once you kill another person.

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And why there's magma on the gun

ashen jungle
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One series of guns that I'm kinda shocked I don't see in games more is "Metal Storm".
They'd suit the div lore pretty well, outside of being so rare that it's unlikely they'd be in DC.

wicked gorge
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Some exotics are cannon

glass kestrel
wicked gorge
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Its just using your head

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Futuristic guns are a no go

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Exotics like the nemesis, chatterbox, and pestilence# make sense due to them being corresponding to their faction

ashen jungle
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The effects on them may not be canon, but the guns/gear themselves absolutely could be.

wicked gorge
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Yeah

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Eagle barer was made for the leader of the theater settlement

ashen jungle
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Undressed Eagle is my new name for that gun.

wicked gorge
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Im scared to know why

ashen jungle
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It's Eagle Bearer, as in you are carrying an eagle. Or as a metaphor, technically.

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Barer just means you're streaking at a football game.

ivory solar
ashen jungle
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Exactly some of the stuff they've made is very much near sci-fi so I can let a lot slide.

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Nemesis as a rail-gun is my big one. It's almost perfect.

ivory solar
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And is it just me or do a lot of people come in here asking if civilians can become agents for some fanfic they’re making? Like every two months it seems like people are asking specifically about that. I’m not saying it’s wrong or anything, I just wanna know why that and not something else

ashen jungle
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It's actually a lot more common than that, but you are 100% right it is eerie how similar the questions are.
darn keyboard.

wicked gorge
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Striker uses nano tech in game lore

ashen jungle
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Nano-tech is the new DNA mutagen, next it'll be something like "space particles".

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I say "new", I first saw it in Jason X.

storm crystal
glass kestrel
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I get that there's more stories to tell, but like Rakki said, there's that zero to hero appeal

ashen jungle
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Oh of course.
What they're referring to is called "the heroes journey", identified in 1949, but from older myths.

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Young person goes out on a journey, is changed by the experience, etc, etc. Star Wars used it heavily in the first one.

storm crystal
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The jedi plot is a nice example
The appeal is that you can actually follow someone growinh as a character and as someone getting skilled in a profession.

Having an already made person placed infront of you is a bit boring in that regard.

surreal hearth
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Pestilence is a cannon lore gun in the division2

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Because it’s an outcast weapon, and it’s made from the green poison they just contaminated it the different however is that the green poison is coming from the mag of the LMG

ashen jungle
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The post-death effect is just somewhat delayed in the lore. Takes a week to spread.

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Faster to use a big stick, frankly.

ivory solar
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Just modify it with Eclipse then

glass kestrel
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It's not canon. The Outcasts may have decked out their weapons to look more appealing, but that whole "after affect" isn't canon.

ivory solar
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The Outcasts already had access to it once

glass kestrel
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No talent in the game is canon. In terms of storylines and narratives.

surreal hearth
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If there was Pestilence 2.0 though

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Eclipse gun than a green poison gun

ashen jungle
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Lullaby works, since 1 hit is possible to kill someone.

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That's about it.

storm crystal
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What about ridgeways chest?
I saw it has a BTSU patch on it
What lore is behind that?

glass kestrel
ivory solar
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The elites are wearing too much armor for a punch to do anything to them and the agent gets tired after punching someone

ashen jungle
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That also works, since it's just a likeliness of it happening, and the less plating you have on, the more likely it is, hence red/purple.

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The game director for Uncharted once stated that Nathan Drake didn't have a health bar, just a "luck meter" and he was only shot once it ran out.
I like that logic for Div agents.

ivory solar
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Bullet King could work if it wasn’t for that fact that you get extra ammo out of nowhere after hitting enemies

ashen jungle
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I'm just imaging our Agents luckily finding more ammo each time it happens.
"oh so that's where I left that".

glass kestrel
ivory solar
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There’s other talents that could work but one gimmick just ruins them. For example mad bomber allows you to cook grenades but also gives you extra after you kill somebody

glass kestrel
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Yeah there's always something that brings it back out from being in the realm of possibility

ivory solar
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I would say Scorpio but like that’s not going to penetrate chunga armor

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And I also don’t even really understand how the BTSU Datagloves work. They work specifically for the hive yet the Black Tusk doesn’t have access to SHD tech such as hives

ashen jungle
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BT have heal hives.

ivory solar
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Those are lunchboxes, not hives

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Well rather support stations

glass kestrel
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I miss the support stations from Div1. I thought those were kinda cool. I don't like the hives,

ashen jungle
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You can call them "healy towers" if you want, but they're still hives with a fancy skin.

ivory solar
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The Datagloves work with stinger hives and SUPPORT stations aren’t offensive

glass kestrel
ashen jungle
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Name-wise sure, but functionally they clearly work otherwise the BTSU gloves are literally useless.

ivory solar
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Well we could say our agents reverse engineered them but none of the other exotics have any modifications to them

glass kestrel
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Another place for some head-canon, you could say the datagloves were worked on by Division agents once they got picked up to work with SHD tech.

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Since the hives and support stations are similar in function, they weren't hard to patch

storm crystal
ashen jungle
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There we go, when in doubt: DARPA.

storm crystal
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Atleast its an explanation

ivory solar
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If we stretch it a bit I think Sacrum Imperium could work. When we laser the targets we send out a mini thing that the enemies can’t feel. This thing will set them on fire when activated. On a confirmed kill all the things activate

glass kestrel
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I love reading the DARPA Tech logs when the pentagon missions came out. Like the one for the pulse beacon was like, "Dave put a pulse beacon in the womens locker room. Needless to say, he doesn't work here anymore." or something like that

storm crystal
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haha yea they were good fun

glass kestrel
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Or like, "Dave accidentally activated the seeker mine and it started rolling towards the new secretary. She'll be in the hospital for a few weeks."

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Goddamn it, Dave.

ivory solar
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How does that not get him fired but putting something in the womens locker room does?

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You’re literally injuring a coworker

glass kestrel
ivory solar
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Well ask the devs why they implemented the entire talent first

ashen jungle
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The US once tried to train dolphins to deliver explosives to enemy ships. That really happened.
Nothing is too far past weird when it comes to asking "why are they doing this".

glass kestrel
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Well, in game, sure it makes sense. I mean in the narrative, it doesn't.

ivory solar
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You think it makes sense in game? I was trying to say it doesn’t make sense

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Not only is it just not worth using, it exposes you when you try to laser targets. 2 seconds was way too much for a game like div2 and a reduction of time was reasonable

ashen jungle
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One of the suggested plans before the moon landing was to launch a nuke at it.
The game being realistic, it could literally do anything it wanted and it'd still make sense.

ivory solar
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It has no use other than opening fights and even then it’s not good

ashen jungle
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weapons technology is insane, it's always been insane.

glass kestrel
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Like, there's a disconnect between in-game mechanics and in-universe lore. The stuff that we do in-game isn't what's happening in the story. It's a representation of what's happening. The devs have to find a way to make things fun and engaging, and things being basic and simple isn't always fun. So, in-game, yeah it makes sense to have a fancy weapon that sets dudes on fire after you aim at them and get a headshot. In the narrative, though, it makes more sense to just have a weapon that goes bang.

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That's why I say, I don't consider the exotic weapons and gear canon. Their designs absolutely could be, but the effects, I don't see being canon.

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So, I'm a very opinionated person, and I'm super passionate about this franchise, and I feel like I'm coming across a bit rude lol

wicked gorge
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You aren’t the talents arent cannon, but the pieces themselves are most likely cannon

pine carbon
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How does our solo Agent slaughter entire platoons of enemies single handed? I get that raids and some high profile missions imply you have a team, but a lot of the missions imply that you're by yourself and enemies often talk to your agent specifically as though they know you and they reference past events you were in.

And given our superhuman track record and that we kill Hunters (Schaeffer Manhunt and Summit) which are basically super soldier Agent killers themselves, you'd think enemy factions and bosses would start taking notice, sending assassins after our Agent specifically or outright planning against this superhuman death machine ultra soldier.

"Ah damn... it's the Sheriff, call in all squads and don't get complacent, you can't underestimate them!" is along the lines of how I'd realistically expect enemies to react at the sight of the player character.

nocturne arrow
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I mean, Natalia had to lure our Agent to New York before she sent in her boys to hit the White House, so they're getting a feel for our Agent. Hell, several friendly characters have noted that we're either "The real deal (NYC Agent)", or the Sheriff is in a class of their own.

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But to the Outcasts, or Hyenas, one Agent is the same as any other, given what I assume would be a low priority in information sharing.

lethal cedar
sick lantern
sick lantern
glass kestrel
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The agent that gave it to her specifically said he had to fix them so she couldn't use more of the SHD capabilities.

sick lantern
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well the fact that this comes from Operation ISAC says a lot about this information petter

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if the agent jumped through the hoops to have her authorised beforehand then sure why not

glass kestrel
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The webseries that Ubisoft made that was made to go hand in hand with the game?

sick lantern
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not all official material is created equal

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i doubt that they had a strict adherence to worldbuilding rules that might not have entirely been set yet

glass kestrel
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Well until I see something that specifically says normal people can't use SHD tech, not that they don't know how but that they actually can't, then I'll keep on believing the stuff we've been given

sick lantern
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At the end of Recruited, Brenda has to very specifically authorise Maira to give her access
why would this ultra-elite technology with biometric ID and all that jazz not have failsafes against being misappropriated by randos? why have we never seen or heard of, outside of operation isac the forgotten web series, this occurring?

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and I read the first hundred pages of broken dawn, Kelleher doesn’t mention using SHD tech iirc even though she supposedly should be able to

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we have ISAC being this super secure system that only rogue agents and kind of the black task have been able to countermeasure, but it also doesn’t care about randos using SHD tech

glass kestrel
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So, Broken Dawn wasn't all that great, and I'll still say she more than likely didn't know how to use SHD tech even if she was able to.

And I'll go re-read the end of Recruited. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong.

sick lantern
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I mean you could interpret it as her only being specifically recognised as an agent and having the watch be repossessed, but it’s not like at any point they say “hey Maira try out this pulse module for a bit” or etc

glass kestrel
#

You could also say that Coyote was able to pull off that one agent's watch and communicate with Kelso in that one Hyena mission

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"friend of yours gave me a real nice wrist watch"

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Feels like they go back and forth a lot on what can and can't be done.

sick lantern
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isn’t that the truth
also you need ScanTek contact lenses to see ECHOs and all other SHD tech AR elements

glass kestrel
#

I wanna be clear, I'm sure there are absolutely safeguards. I don't think anyone has ever been able to just kill an agent, take their stuff, and immediately begin using turrets and seekers. We haven't seen that before. But I think the nonlethal stuff, like watching echos and tapping into comms, are sometimes seen to be used by people who aren't agents.

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So I think they CAN use some of the capabilities, but biometrics and agent credentials or what have you, prevent most of the capabilities from being accessed.

storm crystal
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I guess most of the functions are client sided and while there certainly is biometrics checks or some other guard technic a skilled technician/programmer can surely bypass simple stuff

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i would even argue that the tools are easier to hack than everything AI/ISAC related and which is dependent on the AI brain

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hm makes me think that maybe way more tools are depended on ISAC for functions like pathfinding alone

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Turrets, Drones, Seekermines ...all probably need ISAC

nocturne arrow
#

I theorize that ISAC also uses the Agent and their smart lens (tech contact lenses) to use as a point of origin first, before using the other forms of electronic surveillance like CCT cameras, smart phones, and such, to do the pathfinding. Might explain why our proxies are able to navigate even inside the Dark Zones where there are no communications save for localized proximity comms.

wicked gorge
wicked gorge
late void
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Loads of bounty targets use random shd skills ingame. I'm sure I saw a blurb somewhere ingame about high-value targets (ie bounty targets) having killed agents in the past and taken their tech.

sick lantern
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there's just an endless supply of agents for them to kill and loot ofc

glass kestrel
#

Can someone point me somewhere that lists the actual symptoms of Green Poison?

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Like, what happens within week 2, week 3, week 4, etc

sick lantern
glass kestrel
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That's just smallpox though. We know Amherst mixed in like 6 other diseases to create Green Poison.

#

Do no other symptoms really show up?

sick lantern
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Smallpox is the genetic baseline of the green poison, to the point that it wasn't known to be a different virus for some time, smallpox vaccines were distributed etc

wicked gorge
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What symptoms you looking for

glass kestrel
wicked gorge
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Flu symptoms

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Probably diarrhea

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Smallpox symptoms

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Fever

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Exhaustion

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Its just a mixed up virus, look up the viruses in gp and pick a few

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Or look up YouTube videos no doubt there’s someone who figured it out

nocturne arrow
#

Smallpox as the base, Marburg, Ebola, and H1N1 were the other viruses added on to the chimera virus that would be called the Green Poison, that I remember from the Division 1 cutscenes.

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Which means Rick Velassi was wrong, somewhat. It WAS Marburg AND Ebola. Just with other nasty shit mixed in.

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Stage one starts with flu like symptoms, and at that stage, they're contagious already. Fever, nausea, fatigue. Basic flue like symptoms. Then the blisters around the throat and mouth come in, with clear fluid in them. Then it turns to into scabbing, which falls off, and then we move on to the fatalities.

wicked gorge
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Checks out

nocturne arrow
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Dr. Kandel noted that there were traces of at least 5 of other viruses involved, Hanta virus, Dengue, Ebola, Marburg, again, H1N1 and swine flu, which is still an H1N1 strain, on top of Variola Major (small pox with 30% fatality rate. Our boi Amherst pumped those numbers up).

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Basically, he went and dumped whatever lethal virus he could get his hands on, stitched them together to make a Frankenstein's monster of a plague, and went to town throwing dolla bills like a rapper on Black Friday.

glass kestrel
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I'm working on a thing and I'm desperately trying to get my facts right, but even with the World of The Division book, there's still information that's left vague.

nocturne arrow
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Okay, after the seven day incubation, when the host looks perfectly healthy and fine, no symptoms, the flu like symptoms occur, the fevers, headaches, and so on. This goes on for three days, and then the rashes and blisters start appearing. By then, the patient is well on their way to a fatality. I expect that the cause of death would be respiratory organ failure, as the leading cause of death with secondary symptoms to assist in finishing off the job should fucking up the lungs not do the patient in.

glass kestrel
#

Where are you pulling this info from?

nocturne arrow
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The CDC, or DCD...

glass kestrel
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I appreciate you

nocturne arrow
#

Now, given the added viruses, we can also expect bleeding out, hemorrhagic fever thanks to the contributions of Marburg, with again, the Hantavirus fucking up your lungs, filling it with fluid and causing muscular atrophy.

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I expect that the hemorrhagic fever to be a feature, not a bug, as it allows blood to be used as an additional infection vector. So, honestly, I think Amherst was thinking of stacking lethality procs, 30% from Small Pox Variola Major, 38% from Hantaviruses, and so forth.

glass kestrel
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Now I'm concerned.

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Do you have a medical background?

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Amherst?

wicked gorge
#

UwU he said a swear

nocturne arrow
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Once the DCD catches on to the pattern of infection, they will be treating all flu like cases with extreme suspicion, if not outright immediately quarantining them, hence the beginnings of our beloved Dark Zones.

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Dr. Gordon Amherst was the guy who created the Dollar Flu, or Green Poison, hippie terrorist with a medical degree. Division 1.

glass kestrel
nocturne arrow
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The only medical background I have was that I studied medical textbooks for fun or when I was bored as a child. Family had several doctors though.

wicked gorge
#

Isn’t there a Mutant strain of green poison

nocturne arrow
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Dude, not funny, I'm not a Greenpeace ecoterrorist or extinction phase nutter.

glass kestrel
wicked gorge
#

Aint there a mutant strain in heartland

glass kestrel
nocturne arrow
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There are SEVERAL. In fact, that was the whole point of Variola Chimera, or Green Poison, mutability and adaptability, to ensure that a vaccine wouldn't be effectively developed. By the time it takes to roll out a vaccine, the virus had likely mutated once more that the resulting virus is immune or not affected by the new vaccine.

glass kestrel
nocturne arrow
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Hey, I'm a big fan of the Division 1 storyline, so yeah, I'm interested enough to do my research, put together plausible theories on what it means...

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Of course there'd be a new strain in a different location, the virus was engineered to mutate rapidly, so a new population, would cause the virus to respond in a different manner, new strains, new shit.

glass kestrel
nocturne arrow
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What Amherst likely didn't plan for, would be the virus infecting other animals other than people, given that some of the viruses he used to create Variola Chimera use animals as another transmission vector.

wicked gorge
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I love the division lore but I never really studied the virus

nocturne arrow
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Dogs, rats, deer, BIRDS... Yeah.

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If there was another legitimate reason to have Blackwatch from [PROTOTYPE] be founded, it'd be for something like Variola Chimera, or people like Amherst.

glass kestrel
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Amherst was a doctor, I'm sure he knew that the virus would spread to animals somehow. He intended for the virus to wipe out 90% of the world's population, and he only released Variola Chimera in New York. I'm sure he planned on animals being a transmission vector.

nocturne arrow
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Amherst was also a misanthropic ecoterrorist who believed that humanity should be wiped clean, reduced to 5% of the total population. Naturally unstable, and likely didn't bother with considering the effect it could have on animals, probably more interested in ideology above animal life.

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I think his major consideration would be the international travel, tourists and businessmen conducting business during Black Friday, then flying back to their home countries and more.

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If he planned on animals being a major transmission vector, he'd want birds, but even then they wouldn't reach far enough as he'd like with only a week's incubation time, before the host becomes too weak to travel any further.

glass kestrel
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Well, he wanted there to be a 90% mortality rate, and he didn't even think it'd reach that. Maybe he didn't plan on his virus spreading to animals, but I'm sure he at least knew there was a chance, I'm sure it crossed his mind. As insane as he was, he was also smart enough to create a virus. I'm sure "animals can get sick too" wasn't too farfetched of an idea to him.

nocturne arrow
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He also had a major hatred for humanity, and such would have planned more around internation travel and commercial airlines, allowing for better transmission, not to mention in the closed air system of an airplane, an entire plane full of people would have been infected before stepping off the plane.

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Takes in under 24 hours to travel to almost everywhere in the world by plane, three days to pass a possible quarantine, and then a bit more time to spread even further before the flu symptoms kick in.

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My last version of that passage got blocked because I used the term "hate b0ner".

glass kestrel
nocturne arrow
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That, and New York is a major international travel hub.

glass kestrel
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I retract my statement about him planning to use animals as a transmission vector. I'm sure he didn't plan on it, but I'm sure he at the very least knew it could happen.

nocturne arrow
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Possibly, but also likely that he was so focused on partial human genocide that he may have overlooked animal transmission, again, mentally unstable, but brilliant.

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Given at least three of his selected candidates to add to his Magnum opus affect other animals or use them, he would have known, but didn't care if they affected animals as well, probably either thinking that they wouldn't be as affected by a virus specifically tailored to destroy humanity, or simply short sighted, like many activists with an agenda.

glass kestrel
nocturne arrow
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Dengue, Hantaviruses, and H1N1 swine flu, at the least.

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So, among other things, it's basically a kitchen sink of how to kill someone with a virus. Lungs, bleeding out, kidney failure, as well as very painful blisters and scabbing, loss of quality of life...

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If the virus doesn't kill you, you'll wish you were dead anyways.

glass kestrel
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I'm gonna go play some Div1 lol

nocturne arrow
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Good hunting, Agent.

glass kestrel
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Extremis Malis.

nocturne arrow
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Have a scouting op in the Dark Zone, might also...

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Extrema Remedia.

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Might also help with your thing. Most notably the placement of stockpiled resources, how the burn pits or corpse disposal sites are arranged...

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That's what I liked about D1's Dark Zone as compared to D2's Dark Zones.

glass kestrel
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I feel ya. Sometimes I go up to DZ9 to just walk around and look at the mountains of body bags. Environmental storytelling at its finest.

storm crystal
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I really miss div1 sense of dread because of the virus

lethal cedar
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D1 DZ - dead bodies, dread, blood literally all over the place especially DZ north, just looks off
D2 DZ - YELLOW

storm crystal
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I hope massive finds a way back to some more scary scenery and plot involving the virus again - the feeling of roaming a devestated city and the danger of infection all around is a major selling point for the franchise in my opinion.

lethal cedar
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kind of like the mobile game's timeline of pre second wave imo, where it is the time where shit is going down

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TD2 is kind of just embers....until the yellow-ness starts

glass kestrel
wicked gorge
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When we gonna get a game as the first wave

solid python
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I wonder what San Francisco looks like in The Division universe ever since Div2's reactivating the network cutscene. There is some serious spinoff material there.

median crag
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I'm actually curious to see what Atlanta is like, being that the airport there is the busiest one in the world, that building in itself would be a hub for the infection to travel, might even be a DZ location of its own

solid python
wicked gorge
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I’ve lived near Atlanta before place was already chaotic without the green poison😂

cursive tapir
glass kestrel
# cursive tapir Is it not Eclipse? I feel like we’ve seen lots of red smoke in the trailers, whi...

I doubt it's Eclipse, since that was really a thing that was only tied to Keener and his few rogues. So unless Keener has more parts to play, I doubt it'll be Eclipse. Plus, we know what the Eclipse is, and it seems like the virus in Silver Creek is more of a mystery, so I've got a good feeling it'll be something we haven't seen before. Of course, this is all speculation. We won't know anything for sure until the game releases.

sick lantern
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Heartland is set before Div 2 iirc, and the trailer mentions a rogue who as far as we currently know has no connection to Keener

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so probably not Eclipse

cursive tapir
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Oh interesting, didn’t realize it was pre-Div2

dusk dove
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incorrect (sorry thought you said pre Div 1

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Heartlands takes place after Div 1 and pre Div 2

fringe gale
heavy valley
dusk dove
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

compact temple
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Natalya Sokolova. I wanna pay her a visit with a gun...

pine carbon
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You know what'd be a fun idea? If we had a 'play as the bad guy' story segment where we play as a Hunter and do a mission where we fight JTF, kill named bosses who're Division Agents and the mission is on a timer where you have to finish before the player character shows up and you get slaughtered by the super-agent. Would be an interesting way of showing the other side, having Sokolova in your ear as you clear areas, maybe even McManus chiming in, using Hunter tech to disrupt Agent skills and being encouraged to use Hunter combat tactics and close in for an axe hit which would be an instakill.

sick lantern
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I don’t think they’d do that, most games/devs don’t like you playing as straight up bad guys
if they did you’d probably be killing rogues or something

surreal umbra
pine carbon
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It'd be an interesting look at the lore from the other side is all

sick lantern
ashen jungle
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i mean, it did say based on heart of darkness, so the game was kinda given away at the starting point.

sick lantern
# pine carbon Ubisoft also made Assassin's Creed: Rogue where you play as a bad guy

and rogue was ofc showing the moral ambiguity of the conflict between the assassins and the templars so you weren’t reallly the bad guy
perhaps it would be better to say that games are happy to let you play as antagonists at times, but doing the full on bad guy stuff is usually off the table
for example look at Halo, in 2 you play as the Covenant but don’t go through the usual motions of yaknow genocide and etc instead fighting a group of heretics; see also Halo Wars where in 1 the devs said they wouldn’t make a Covenant campaign unless it involved some sort of good guy splinter group, and in 2 you were only allowed to play as the Banished against the Flood
meanwhile, you have the likes of Overlord and Dungeon Keeper where you’re a bad guy but in a comedic setting- basically devs are hesitant to have you do the bad things you normally fight against

wicked gorge
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I want a single player game just explaining and playing as keener

pine carbon
# sick lantern and rogue was ofc showing the moral ambiguity of the conflict between the assass...

Well, from a moral standpoint the Hunters could be good guys from their perspective as well. They don't exactly go around slaughtering civilians like the other factions do, and they only kill Agents, which is fair from their perspective cos' if the game was called Hunters I could see them spinning how SHD has no oversight and is too independent and ISAC isn't 100% trustworthy.

I mean, I don't think the daily life of a Hunter involves threatening civvies for shits and giggles, instead they probably work similar to how we do, running missions against factions, taking out high value targets, running and gunning for Agents, etc. Not necessarily straight bad guy

wicked gorge
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You think about it every agent is technically rogue

sick lantern
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Most people like to think they’re the good guys from their own perspective, that doesn’t mean they necessarily are
Hunters are… pretty unambiguously bad, considering they spend their time murdering agents who’s duty it is to help save and protect innocent people

sick lantern
wicked gorge
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Yeah but it’s one of those little theories that make you think

wicked gorge
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Anyone ever do the Alexa division thingy

obtuse arrow
storm crystal
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They are first and foremost a failsave to shutdown the shd program if needed

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The morally complex question is who decides if and when an agent is a free target.

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A hunter who trusts in the command structure and follows orders is therefore not evil per say

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Now we have the problem that first wave agents went rogue - second wave gets send in... And again some go rogue

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From McManus perspective one could argue the shd is a failed program and needs to be shut down

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On the other hand McManus intentions are highly questionable aswell

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If we give everyone the benefit of the doubt tho we could even maybe make the case that everyones intentions are good and just nobody trusts each other anymore

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From a players perspective its easy to see the plot but if you look it through the perspective from a civilian, a true son, a black tusk or whomever - a rogue ShD agent (Faye Lau) killed the defacto (Ellis) President of the United states.

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What else reason you need to send in the Hunters?

signal thicket
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I wonder if natalya or mcmanus knows it was faye who actually killed Ellis, or if Faye managed to spread the idea that it was the division thak killed him
One of natalya's voiceclips mentions faye, but not with much resentment that you'd expect from her killing one of the most important people in the US and presumably one of BT's greatest assets

storm crystal
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Sokolov certainly is behind the scene for longer than we think

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McManus on the other hand could be tricked by sokolov aswell

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As BT/Sokolov are behind the killing of Mendez (former vice president and president before Ellis) they atleast know that shd isnt the root of the problem here.

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The question is if McManus knows this aswell

cold bramble
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I learned today that the stuffed turtles in the Division 2 world are a real Ubisoft thing at the HQ.

sick lantern
sick lantern
storm crystal
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Its easy to say that shd is the good guys and everyone is doin them wrong because we look at this from the inside perspective and we see rogue agents as another enemy faction aswell.

For others there is no difference of a good agent or a rogue agent - only agents. They see shd is failing on many fronts and doin really bad stuff - trying to bomb NY with eclipse virus, nuking St.Louis with atomic bombs and killing the president. Thats all things shd have done or were actively involved in.

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Even the guys we worked with in Div1 and WONY (Rhodes Benitez) became so worried of shd that they turned away and started operating without JTF and shd.

sick lantern
storm crystal
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Aswell as the question arise if their orders and their commander are evil.

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And thats a bit more hyptothetical as i dont know if McManus himselfe knows that shd is trying hard to be good even tho we have rogue cells or he sees us as a legit failed program and a threat as a whole.

sick lantern
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it’s not the time or the place to have a debate on the duty of a soldier “just following orders” and whatnot, but McManus sending Hunters to kill Division agents is a very evil thing™️

storm crystal
# sick lantern Undoubtedly.

I dont have the lore down for that 100%
But as far as i know McManus wanna overthrow and take control
So in that regard im with you

For the single Hunter - i dont know. They themselfes maybe think they doin a necessary work with all that went down with shd going rogue.

late void
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'necessary work' including gruesomely displaying agents' bodies? Deceit definitely acted like a good guy in the schaeffer mission

storm crystal
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You could see it somewhat like with the body immune system - at one point if your so ill your immune system goes full rampage, starting fever and shit - you cant blame the T-Cells for doin their work tho 😄

storm crystal
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Im just not a fan of categorizing things in plain good/evil style categories
even Shaeffer did seem to work with faye lau and actively wanted to get catched by us for reasons we still dont know 100%

wicked gorge
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(fan-made entry) H.C.A+ (Homeland COMBAT Authority +) is a subdivision of JTF that is suppose to represent the cops and swat. They work simultaniously with JTF to restore DC's law and protection shit. Appearance wise their outfits are similar to police officers and swat.

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they take calls through radio channels and send out H.C.A Officers to calm down the situation if a disturbance occurs

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Sometimes during SHD intel or emergency search and rescues, you may see a few H.C.A officers joining you

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(another fan made entry)---------------------------------------------- vvv

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ignore this if WHO actually exists and is mentioned in the Division, if not. H.A.O (Healthcare-America-Organization was a major organization associated with CERA. representing the real world WHO the main headquarters was located in oakland, san francisco. with many smaller forms across america. They deal with health crisis and global emergencys. Although locations are exclusive to US, they still dealt with virus's and health related stuff occuring in any major continent/country.

quasi hatch
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locations of the 5 H.A.O facilities are

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Main HQ in oakland area of san francisco, CA

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cure production facility in atlanta georgia

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the minor facilities/station

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are, Texas, Iowa and NEW JERSEY

sick lantern
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i’m pretty sure Kandel namedrops the WHO

quasi hatch
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if WHO is still WHO. then thats canon. but if indeed there is no name for that universes version of WHO im just gonna headcanon its H.A.O

sick lantern
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different “copyrights” on American agencies and global UN agencies ig

quasi hatch
sick lantern
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visiting the base after you beat Russian Consulate iirc

quasi hatch
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if who is still who then i will still headcanon. if shits gonna have different names you might as well change everything

sick lantern
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some things have to have names changed because of licensing or avoiding potential backlash

quasi hatch
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car companys dont really matter but yknow why not

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i will do a head canon for the car companies from my personal collection. (Brunfier, Mitsyga, Tiyando, Hoover, Navi-Markier, Auto Chaffeur, AGL, Mishan, Willamette, Wilford Motor Company, Sunara, Montak/Montauk, Autowagèn, Dodgesum, Mectris

late void
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5.11 is a real world company, some of the other gear stuff too I think

sick lantern
quasi hatch
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whats up with the ford crown victoria being called a 1992 grand marquis on igcd because it has a 1994 caprice rear end 💀

solid python
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Huh, funnily enough, my div3 concept takes place in Atlanta

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I view it as a trilogy of mainline games so by default, div3 has to be the most chaotic and action thing I've made

wicked gorge
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Why Atlanta?

storm crystal
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Screw Atlanta. Division 3 in Atlantis on the other hand

solid python
ashen jungle
wicked gorge
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Damn i should move back to Atlanta thrn

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I figured they would go San Francisco

ashen jungle
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And now you know why Walking Dead picked Atlanta as a shooting location.
If we're going purely by Ubisoft game worlds as choices, the one place that's never really been specifically set as an open world is Los Angeles,
(e.g. Watchdogs/AC/Div locations)

wicked gorge
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Ive been to where they filmed the walking dead

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That place was epic

ashen jungle
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Only claim to fame I can make is that I once lived where they filmed Swordfish and visited Max Max 1 filming locations, both purely by coincidence.

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and technically one of the Pirates moves, but on-shore.

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re: Div though. MSV's biggest strength IMO has always been its world design, so any location they pick has to look good to walk around in.

wicked gorge
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Atlanta would be a good pick and I would like to see how the rednecks handled everything

ashen jungle
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I'm just imagining the entire region on fire now.

wicked gorge
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That’s Florida

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Florida would be a hellscape

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Honestly I’ve lived in Georgia most of my life and honestly I doubt the division would have any foothold, even in the cities

quasi hatch
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what if there was a division spinoff that took place in canada

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(canadas probably dead though)

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division heartland over here taking place in
a stereotypical small town rural america

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division heartland over here taking place in
a stereotypical small town in rural america full of rednecks and truck nuts 💀

ivory solar
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Well the Division is authorized to only operate in the US. It’s a domestic agency, similar to the FBI, not an international agency like the CIA. But if you wanna make a fanfic of it go ahead

quasi hatch
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you telling me canada is wiped out completely as with europe and the whole world?

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my character isn't even supposed to be apart of the division. they are apart of the DC only "H.C.A+". (the cops)

solid python
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Meanwhile me who has like 12 original characters that is in The Division universe
It varies from "main protagonist" from Div1 and Div2, to "main antagonist"
To be frank, I think I could make an original story just with those characters.

quasi hatch
solid python
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I had my div1 character go rogue after the events of underground

solid python
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Oh wait, I readed that wrong, you can.