division-universe

[sick lantern]

Maira had to go through weeks of experience alongside agents and it’s worth noting that Brenda was also a Recruiter so she knew what ideas to let foster
so no you can’t just become an agent cus you took a watch

(Maira also was ex-military, just classified as a civilian as she wasn’t part of any faction in the outbreak)

[fringe gale]

hmmm interesting

i always wondered what would become of civis or JTF guys that actually gained the SHD's attention

[median gulch]

From reading Recruited, Maira is given her own pair of Smart Lenses and borrows her team leader's watch and is given basic GPS functionality. When she gets her own watch ||from the dead Rogue Agent|| at the end of the story her team leader verbally authorizes her as a SHD Agent for the watch to scan her and recognize her.

And I'm pretty sure you aren't peeling the lenses off of a dead agent's eyeballs ick

[haughty palm]

Is Recruited a comic or book? I picked up Broken Dawn so I’ll read that soon. Any other books or comics?

[fringe gale]

book, recommend Hearts of Fire which if i remember correctly is about the First or Second Wave in NYC

[lunar harbor]

Huh - that's actually really fascinating

[neat adder]

yikes

Lmao the reply didn’t work 💀

^

[median gulch]

Extremis Malis is a graphic novel. Recruited and Compromised are available in paperback or kindle.

[haughty palm]

OHHH just saw a new book, cool!

[haughty palm]

Roger roger, thank you. Any other comics or books beyond those 4? (Assuming Broken Dawn is the 4th)

[sick lantern]

New York Collapse

and Remission

but Remission sucks

[surreal hearth]

Basically not right away but due to living in the apocalypse your going to have to train yourself via survivalist or start with the basic

[sick lantern]

doesn't make you an Agent ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[spiral plinth]

[surreal hearth]

Been looking back at the audios several times regarding to alot of problems

If Natalya was the second owner of sokolovs concerned then why did she diversified it into a black tusk organization?

Guess Alexis sokolova wasn’t a good father to her

Or maybe she has other board members within the organization’s she can’t be the only one running all of the show

There’s still a lot of unanswered about the rest of the black tusk employeer behind shaeffer

Male BT leader, unknown names, ridiculous redactions etc.

[surreal hearth]

Ikr plus the weird part is some of the ones wearing division watches back at the bunker don’t even have gears like we do

[sick lantern]

cus the devs don't know their own lore and gave watches to a bunch of support staff

[viral shell]

But hold on - natalya has McManus (director homeland security) on her side doesn't she? I assume he technically has the power to stand down the SHD?

He could issue a completely legal order to stand us down?

See, the story could go that he issues the command that SHD are being stood down, and BT are the officially sanctioned domestic security services

Manney, our immediate boss, defies this order, and McManus declares any SHD agents not standing down as rogue

and cuts our access to ISAC. However manny has people in the background hacking though Keeners ANNA

so we switch our agents to ANNA, and our job is to then prove that McManus is in fact rogue and try to remove BT forces from the streets

But we dont know the status of people in the presidential line

it assumed they have been taken out by hunters

[raw yew]

I’d figure Kelso or Rhodes would know how to get around McMannus at least that’s my theory, also that he wouldn’t be able to cut off ISAC not without disabling every node seeing that your Agent still had an offline version of ISAC for proximity coverage when arriving in DC and we still had access to our skills

Plus certain skills don’t need ISAC … they’re just linked to the contact lenses to display a hud

[late void]

all the skills that random named enemies use - I always wondered why they weren't limited to isac-verified agents to let them function properly

[raw yew]

A funny quirk I’ve thought of is in countdown during the VIP objective Kelso says to protect the engineer but if it’s outcasts one of the named bosses is called “The Engineer”

Why isn’t ISAC sensitive to this 😂

[sick lantern]

he does not have that power

[surreal hearth]

The ISAC nodes are extremely isolated via indestructible bunkers and very well masked from the outside world well except for one that’s in DC as black tusk keep touching it multiple times.

[viral shell]

This isnt about the ISAC nodes, its about McManus.

The way I understand things is that we are essentially Homeland Security Agents. McManus is the Director of Homeland Security. Our chain of command is him, then the President.

It has to be assumed that McManus has direct access to ISAC

Therefore, if McManus decides to stand us down, with there being no president to confer with, he likely can and declare BT as the domestic security services for the US mainland

McManus can then lock us out of ISAC and declare us rogues if we refuse to stand down

[sick lantern]

“On the organisational chart of the US federal government, the SHD is formally listed as part of the Department of Homeland Security. However, the Division reports directly to- and only to- the president of the United States.”

[urban musk]

1. Let's get the record straight the SHD are an off branch of the DHS. we aren't homeland security agents either, we are SHD sleeper agents. that means our chain of command is the president, the only authority figure we report or answer to.

2. McManus is working with a paramilitary force to takeover the country, a mutiny if you will (I think), which is a treacherous act, punishable by death not to mention the other boatload of crimes he has committed, conspired and all the above. this would mean we don't have to listen to any jack s*** he tells us to do. which means we continue the mission the last active sitting president gave us.

[lunar harbor]

So incredibly wrong.

[ivory solar]

Just because the Division is a part of DHS on paper does not mean they actually operate under them. It has been stated multiple times that they operate directly under POTUS. Now we don’t know who the president would be based on the fact that no one from the chain of command has become president from out knowledge, but secretary of Homeland Security is around the 20th spot iirc

[viral shell]

Secretary of HS is 18th in line and the last in line

[ashen jungle]

Any governmental employee is technically "in line", there's a joke about Manny being the next POTUS early on in the base game's campaign.

[viral shell]

NGN was going over it. There is only 18 positions officially in line, and the secretary of HS is the last one.

prior to 2001, there was 17

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession#Current_order_of_succession

[ashen jungle]

Oh that user. They are rather... contentious sometimes about the lore.

[median gulch]

I see it as hand-waving to make the named enemies more dangerous

[raw yew]

Ask yourself where the public will stand, I doubt they will want to live under some authoritarian regime

Division agents though they have authority never imposed authoritarian laws not unlike JTF martial law and they embedded themselves with local authorities rather than assume control…

[haughty palm]

^ definitely coming across as “I’m here to help the people who are supposed to be in charge.” help versus “im coming in and forcing leadership of someone else you didn’t elect.” help, definitely makes it more palatable and more receptive to regular civilians.

[raw yew]

They also actively seemed help from communities and did a quid pro quo dynamic to help everyone

[haughty palm]

Yep yep. Helping by respecting others oddly makes for beneficial reciprocity, who knew! 😱

[fringe gale]

also I'd doubt the JTF or civilians were believe every agent that has helped them has gone rogue instantly

[raw yew]

Even tho Faye Lau went Rogue and tho unknown that she was a double Agent at the time Benitez still valued her service and considered her actions fog of war

Even though at the end of WONY he wanted her dead 😂

[surreal hearth]

Yeah but that eventually was scrapped to hell unless

No unless McManus is next on the chain of command

[surreal hearth]

Lau chose her path and chosen to be a martyr for the sake of the SHD she knew how deep the black tusk are so she intentionally did this to be a major martyr to the SHC otherwise the black tusk would have launched the nukes or worst malware the entire ISAC node system

True sons made it clear how dangerously outmatched are between the SHD and the black tusk so the coward chose to side with the black tusk which leads to even further consequences

Consequences means more and more body true sons and black tusk bodies on the floor which mean the SHD is testing to be more and more dangerous to mutations of our technology

This also mean M.A.D casualties for both factions they will feel the danger of consequences unless the entire hunter network or the rogues intervened

Cal is being dangerously testy against the SHD

Conclusion is the SHD is leading to more dangerous attentions and the very wrong kinds of consequences to Americas future to restorative functions once the Russia scientist concluded its permanent cure for the vaccine unless the black tusk have a ridiculous redacted bio weapons to unleash further against the SHD

The final thing we need is some out of control zombie apocalypse on our hand

[floral gull]

Someone managed to invade one of the SHD cores right?

[raw yew]

It was black tusk

They used hyenas to sabotage it

[median gulch]

Another core was invaded during Recruited by Outcasts

[sick lantern]

What?

[sick lantern]

Outcasts plus Roamers ||all due to a rogue agent||
In Compromised, ||the Molossi successfully shut down the same core, also due to rogue agent shenanigans||

[viral shell]

Just watched NGN's latest video - He makes an interesting observation - The castle settlement has stuff in it that no other settlement does. Also, it has no civilians, only JTF staff.

He then points to the season 11 trailer and notes that we are shown sokolova targeting the Divsion directly, followed by the whitehouse going dark. He notes thats its being run on minimal staff as of late.

He has theorised that the WH is about to be directly attacked, possibly using a dirty bomb, and we are readying the Castle as a new BoO and a future season or two will be about us retaking the Whitehouse.

This means losing access to the ISAC servers in the basement as well as possibly losing the bioreactor we got from DARPA.

They are aiming to cut off division agents and shut ISAC down again

[fringe gale]

oh

oh i never noticed that, i knew the division was going to be hit headon and the WH would lose power but the castle does seem like the next best thing for a BoO

[surreal hearth]

Damn Natalya don’t mess around then

The castle will take days to get it fully operational as it’s slowly cleaning up the DC-62 yellow powder

[rotund wasp]

Y’all think the castle is going to be the new base of operations?

[viral shell]

Its a theory. A possibility based on the fact that the castle has crafting and recalibration benches, and there is the early makings of a firing range and footings for what looks like some new buildings

[rotund wasp]

Ahh

[floral gull]

Natalya will succeed where Wyvern failed

[raw yew]

Well interestingly the castle also is the only DC settlement with recalibration table, crafting table, optimization and all that

Countdown vendor

[surreal hearth]

Actually I take it back

Took a peek on the trailer and holy shit!!

Hunters,black tusk, and true sons all under sokolovas control and what’s even scary is that one room

The hunters that murdered thousands of Phoenix while we kill more of their wolves

[viral shell]

I can imagine manny saying - "We can no longer rely on ISAC. Sokolova has control of it. However, we DO have a lot of rogue watches and have successfully accessed ANNA, keeners rogue network. We are switching the watches to that. "

[surreal hearth]

They are gathering billions of our watches and is somehow connecting them into some black tusk mainframe system in order to break the ISAC firewall protocol and blackout the White House

[viral shell]

hundreds of watches at the most. Theres no more than a couple hundred SHD agents as far as the story is concerned

[surreal hearth]

This is the part where the major rogue factions will have to lay low and gather their forces somewhere hidden probably in some fallout radiation bunker

If ISAC goes down then the only solution we can take is ANNA

We can’t rely on our own SHD tech for a while what we really need eventually is to be merged into the rogue network

[median gulch]

Most days I'd rather listen to ANNA over ISAC

[sick lantern]

ANNA speaks in Compromised and she's kind of annoying

[surreal hearth]

That’s because the watch we are all using is being integrated onto ISACs collision with the rogue Anna network

[raw yew]

Probably a new directive 👀

I imagine Anna can’t function without ISAC

She’s a reprogrammed ISAC with more sophisticated features

[median gulch]

I didn't see any of her dialogue in Compromised that came off as annoying.

[frigid wadi]

Is this guy cheating? Hes console

Ps4 i think

[tawny frost]

How would he cheat on console

No he isnt cheating, hes just good

[sick lantern]

why would a rogue agent alternative to ISAC need it to function?
and that’s not true because in Compromised, ||the squad is disconnected from the network when the Core is shut down by the Molossi, so they connect to ANNA and all their tech functions again||

[surreal hearth]

The rogue network runs a lot more deeper than the ISAC network which would explain why the hunters started targeting rogues instead of us

Anyone that now possses the new highly software watch or keeners watch to be exact contains some serious off the book stuff that allowed us to become the division more powerful against the black tusk

Unfortunately this watch will attract heavy attention and out of nowhere rogue agents are sent in to kill you cuss of genocide anti-villain levels gets to high

[cold bramble]

But why did ||she betray the division? So many unanswered question and i want to find out more about the story.||

[viral shell]

Faye Lau?

[median gulch]

She essentially martyred herself to get to Ellis. She was frustrated by the Division’s lack of ability to fight the BT and she knew that The Division as it stood would never get close to Ellis or other BT leadership. So she went inside knowing that the very agents she trained would be sent after her.

[lunar harbor]

I wonder why she simply didn't surrender when we initially engaged her

[haughty palm]

Because the writers are idiots

[lunar harbor]

[surreal hearth]

Overall she’s a “double agent” on the inside

[raw yew]

They’re really inconsistent and annoying with manhunt plots, the last 2 we’ve had the primary target escape for “big lore” 😭

It’s giving Hornet survived again

[sick lantern]

Lewis manhunt was fine

[ashen jungle]

They actually confirmed that she died, after people questioned if they were pulling a Hornet when her body glitched and we didn't get an answer for several months.

[cold bramble]

Yes

[cold bramble]

Makes sense. Thanks for the explanation

[rich sky]

Can someone explain to me Wally's lore?

Cuz I confused on how some random person can hack into the most sophisticated system in the world

[sick lantern]

I would doubt that some drones have "the most sophisticated system in the world"

[surreal hearth]

Tbh taking down shaeffer did very little to stop the black tusk from constantly invading DC again

[viral shell]

They dont need him when sokolova herself is on the way

Plus she also has McManus now

Hopefully, he's gonna wake up and decide to come onside with us

[weary minnow]

when do i go to new york? Im currently at the end of world lvl 1 starting on lvl 2

[viral shell]

after completing all missions and SIDE missions at WT5

always make sure you have all side missions done before hopping to NYC. Theres one or two that will disappear if you dont do them

[weary minnow]

okey thx im always doing everything but my fr wanted to rush hehe

now i habe some arguments xD

[late void]

actually if you reach wt5 before going to NY, it's not considered a 'boost' and side missions you haven't done will remain available when you get back - it's only if you boost to go earlier that those ones get auto-completed. That said, due to some bugs at the moment it's definitely worth doing the Pentagon and DZ Recon missions before going to NY.

[raw yew]

Hasn’t she always had him… isn’t that the whole point? It just wasn’t known to Schaffer

[raw yew]

You can leave your map as is when you got to NY in WT5 and come back to find it the same way. But it’s best to do pentagon to avoid bugs

[ivory solar]

So I know the open world hunters that you spawn are considered non canon, but if that is true then what about the hunter text that can be found near locations they can be spawned in? I mean if a random building that our agents are never confirmed to go into can be considered canon simply because it exists and it’s in washington dc then that text has to also be canon. Is it possible that our agent has never tried spawning the hunters or hasn’t figured out the code? Maybe not even noticed the text at all?

I mean if some randos on the internet can figure out the code during the beta for this game then surely our agent can go to manny or someone who’s a professional at cryptography

[viral shell]

Didn't they make the hunters canon?

Like sokolova confirmed their existence and their initial job was to watch and wait, and only fight if called to by an agent

[ivory solar]

Not the ones you spawn

Many consider those non canon since there’s no evidence we ever kill them

[viral shell]

I think the canon was that from SHD POV, hunters were more myth than fact, and the codes had been found but werent considered significant

and once the mask was on your wall that hunter is considered dead

[ivory solar]

They knew they existed. Agent edwards was killed by a hunter (and hunters can’t be spawned until after he dies)

[viral shell]

When you are just walking around, you occasionally notice your radar go red but theres no one around seemingly. Thats when you are being watched by a hunter

I think the lore is pointing towards hunters being rogue agents employed by, and given even more gear and tech by sokolova and BT

[lunar harbor]

Hunters being Rogue Agents seem highly unlikely

[median gulch]

It's already been established that the Hunters have something to do with McManus and the DHS

Their sole purpose is to be very, very good at taking down Agents, Rogue or otherwise

[ivory solar]

Rogues literally hate the government

Why would they want to work with them?

[leaden owl]

And they cooperate with any faction to take down divison

[ashen jungle]

I miss when Hunters didn't have lore.

[fringe gale]

yeah isnt the reason they are rogue is due to their lack of trust in the government?

[surreal hearth]

Agent parunox reporting in another manhunt down and very disappointed

I was expecting this fight for true sons to be hybrid with black tusk tech or atleast a warhound would be perfect but no

Just typical true sons tech instead

A bit of an update guess the rumors about saint Louis are true they are extending it onto the division2 storyline

||There’s also been rumors about Anderson decision to whether use DC-62 or an actual dirty bomb ||

[hardy oar]

He's insane. Winning the war and making Washington DC uninhabitable for a very long time - a scenario fitting a madman

Make one crisis into another one - really stupid idea.

[ivory solar]

It’s only a couple of months as we’ve seen with the castle. They can just temporarily relocate to somewhere else

For dc-62

[torpid blaze]

we dont know if devs will confirm we go to saint louis maybe in year 5 we all going to

[viral shell]

I can't see them building an entirely new map city sized

unless its a DLC in the works

[ivory solar]

And I don’t see a dlc like warlords

[torpid blaze]

same cant see new dlc at the horizon

[viral shell]

My guess is that we just get to hear the story over comms as we take out the bounties

[torpid blaze]

yes only 2 targets to go

and after easter egg we going manhunt on morst curse kellog

[viral shell]

Huh?

[hardy oar]

Year 5 - we kill McManus and Sokolova and the war is finally over

[hardy oar]

???

[viral shell]

Sokolova

[hardy oar]

Thx, autocorrected

[torpid blaze]

@viral shell @hardy oar i mean mort cursed kellog you know after easter egg like april 11 we go manhunt on him

[viral shell]

what does "mort cursed kellog" mean?

Thats not english

[hardy oar]

Oh, you mean after Easter

[torpid blaze]

yes it is

yes sigma after easter

third prime target

[viral shell]

each target is a fortnight apart

so third one will be april 4th

fourth target will be April 18th

Then final target, the boss himself will be May 2nd

[torpid blaze]

no i think third target will be april 11th four target will be on may 2 with final target

[surreal hearth]

I got a feeling this cursed Kellogg is the opposite version of lucky

Why? Because both of them are heavy types almost the same

[hardy oar]

Question - should the devs make possible to wear 9 types of Exotic gear (weapons, backpack, etc.)?

[viral shell]

you mean every piece of gear be an exotic? No.....

[surreal hearth]

He is indeed a madman but at the same point an undecided madman to say the least

[hardy oar]

Maybe they related?

[surreal hearth]

They could be long distance cousins

[hardy oar]

Funny irony

[surreal hearth]

Natalya will do whatever it takes to win even if it means destroying America in the process and Anderson being blinded and unaware on how this Russian decendant psychopath are capable of.

[hardy oar]

Amen to that

[surreal hearth]

She’s the polar opposite of a certain someone that I’m not gonna mention due to “extrem controversial” reasons.

[raw yew]

I find the castle location to be so impractical (not that they could change it) … resource convoys literally pass on two sides 😂

Opposite a true sons control point

Hello neighbor how are you doing today do you have some sugar to spare

[surreal hearth]

Aside from that they overdid it with the supply convoys hard

Whenever you raid a control point too close to a supply convoy it turns into an extensive reinforcement bay which can screw us hard because we don’t know where they coming from

Outcast are the worst because of their BS suicide bomber issis style terrorist

That goes the same with the true sons annoying immobilizers

[raw yew]

The foam guys?

I love the way they attack ngl, particularly like true sons are the one faction that sends 4 archetypes Strategically to come after you with different purposes

Foam guy for rusher . Grenadier to push u out of cover for assault

That cluster grenade is such a pain man

I just find it interesting that if you do a resource convoy there you have to be mighty careful to not trigger the cp

The sinkhole I tend to set off if I grow impatient since ads come on different sides… just imagine that one

[hearty cradle]

Does anyone know if that chest in the manhunt is a exotic or a named?

[tawny frost]

It might be an apparel vest for all we know

Unlikely its named since the named ones look the same as non named variants

[viral shell]

I would advise keeping that CP taken, and think of it as an extension of the castle.

it won't get retaken unless the zone becomes invaded

[raw yew]

Or you’re farming convoys and world needs to be resetted

[viral shell]

Admittedly, I don't farm convoys, but even with that CP taken, there will be plenty of other convoys

in fact i'm doing all my levelling in NYC

all my DC cp's are taken

as are all the cp's in NYC

[raw yew]

To be fair that cp is the most consistent for me for true sons convoys

Either that or sinkhole

Feel like riker convoys would just take more time if they pull out that heavy gunner

[daring jacinth]

if it's just apparel it isn't worth it

[mint citrus]

Why can't we just steal one of the Black Tusk hovercraft to use as a mobile base

We've kicked them out of Tidal Basin so many times it ain't funny anymore

[ivory solar]

There likely isn’t a large enough amount of jtf operators/shd agents to secure tidal basin so that black tusk can’t take control of it once again. Same applies to literally everywhere else such as missions

If the mini invasions are canon which I consider them to be

[potent rampart]

I like to think so too, it makes everything seem like a big non-stop urban war between the JTF/Division and the Black Tusk (along with with the other factions, although the Outcasts/Hyenas are irrelevant now and the True Sons depend on the Black Tusk for most of their needs), with the enemy taking some ground, us getting it back and repeat. It also works since we have no idea where the Black Tusk main base or leaders are, which gives them a lot of breathing room since they can just fully focus on offense, while we aren't so lucky.

Besides, a hovercraft would be good if we had anywhere important to go with it, but so far in the story, we don't, so it wouldn't be a priority (even if the JTF had enough people and resources to keep that thing running for long, which I don't think they have, we're lucky we have working helicopters).

[obtuse arrow]

It's an apparel vest. There is no exotic or named item at the end of this manhunt.

[viral shell]

No, no hovercrafts. It might become full of eels.

[surreal hearth]

The true sons have multiple infrastructures almost similar to black tusk tactics as long as Anderson and sokolova are in charge they are considered the new main factions of this war

In DC however you see them fighting each other and not working together which makes no sense

They should put atleast one new area map seeing these two working together just like it did on the first division

[ashen jungle]

Make sure you don't buy this record, it's scratched.

[raw yew]

I agree with this since once hit world tier 5 Manny finds it strange black tusk activity is still present in dc and also you get invaded in places that weren’t invaded before

[raw yew]

If they’re like the CRM from the walking dead (in Liberty Island the operator references reinforcements from upstate and the cutscene when you restore shd network shows agent sanders scouting black tusk) then I think they’re where the most prominent governments were either for access to resources or some of those people are in their network

And have supply hubs and whatnot all over the country

[viral shell]

One of the things I have noticed is that the outcasts have been virtually wiped out at this point. A reset of control points in DC for me had all the west side of the map under true sons control

Not a single outcast to be seen anywhere in the open world

And the hyenas only had the CP's in downtown east and no-where else

NYC is still equally split between the rikers, cleaners and BTSU

[obtuse arrow]

Who else thinks the JTF are the most useless faction in the game? I feel like it's their fault that agents started going rogue.

[sick lantern]

no one’s fault but their own

[raw yew]

Why do you say that

Them leaving the dark zone may not have been ideal but with death rates increasing and limited manpower they had to pull out and attempted to close it off… not their fault division agents want to go on a murder spree

Also division 1 shows how much the agent needs JTF or how they play a support role the division agent otherwise couldn’t handle alone, the Barret mission has JTF fighting with you, I think that was a really nice thing considering you got 2 meatheads tryna murder u

Div 2 doesn’t give them justice because dc is technically abandoned and nyc lost faith in division and JTF

[obtuse arrow]

It was either stay and die or leave and be marked as rogue, Not much of a choice.

[obtuse arrow]

I never played Div 1 so I didn't get to see any of that but they look really bad in the NYC comms

[sick lantern]

i can't be entirely bothered to explain it rn but it has been established many a time in this channel and the other server's lore channel that that makes zero sense

.

[raw yew]

Keener going rogue also comes from a specific event in division 1 where he’s left to protect civilians on his own with no backup coming. He was always bound to become rogue tbh because he had a superiority complex ie thought he could do better than those around him

Him and Hornet didn’t think much of 2nd wave

Also I think if you look at it from the perspective that national guard / army (which was majority of JTF) had as much right / power as a division agent then you gotta ask yourself what kept them from going rogue … div 2 was interesting cause we experience that with Ridgeway and true sons

[obtuse arrow]

If it's lore then it's lore.

[obtuse arrow]

Makes sense, That stupid watch.

[obtuse arrow]

That's a good point

[surreal hearth]

This was all under terrible coincidental moments the government should have deployed the division alot sooner rather than later

Current government infrastructure collapsed and all its left is a handful of division agents, fragmented governments, and the JTF remnants with extreme weak equipment

[raw yew]

Well 1) the division exists as a national guard on steroids, they literally perform the role of the national guard except they are trained in certain environments and are free from bs chain of command structures that would limit their operation. I get the hesitation with why things went the way they did… given that once you activate the division, you can’t unactivate it and the whole point besides recovery is secrecy. The activation happening a few short weeks AFTER things collapsed is by design what they are activated for, when emergency response fails, there’s nothing the division could have done better than JTF that would otherwise change the outcome when it comes to certain factions or preventing certain things other than staying in the dark zone and slowly kill off everyone, or slow rate of failure

[surreal hearth]

The combination between the JTF, the first wave along with the LMBs has caused alot of chaos on the first days of the outbreak and back then the new smallpox virus was a massive unknown to the world

Actually it’s an existing virus but with millions of genetic modifications

[raw yew]

The whole reason a bio terror attack is more catastrophic than say nuclear is because people will survive, it’s just with contamination and the desire to survive… it goes against survival and nuclear is imminent whilst bio is gradual and ensures suffering

[surreal hearth]

A single man can destroy society and the word at an instant

[raw yew]

Why the division failed is because Waller did a small wave activation which was stupid because as far as I know there was no specification for why certain agents were selected as first wave and from what is portrayed … there couldn’t have been more than 50-100 agents activated SPECIFICALLY for New York… to kill off more than that in a few short weeks would…. Mean that first wave was either compromised from the start or somebody was actively Gunning them down

Or the enemy factions had too much firepower / disease easily took them out

When Hornet pulls up and Keener says let’s see what the second wave is made of or something like that makes me wonder what makes first wave so different

[surreal hearth]

To me the first wave vs second wave was a small civil war but after the outbreak made its way towards DC it’s been the waveless agents

[raw yew]

EMP attacks and bio Terror are in my opinion very catastrophic far beyond nuclear… leaves all the room for suffering with limited survival and ensures mayhem, not anarchy, people confuse the two

Nuclear just ensures, ah ur dead whoever survives isn’t my problem and there’s not that many of them to begin with, their odds of survival come down to radiation or the elements … food is still readily available… considering the population is small

Good luck with water

[surreal hearth]

Water contaminated with green poison

Along with D-C62 powder poisoning the air like some red cloud fallout new Vegas dead money

[raw yew]

Well like I said second wave activated all agents remaining, first wave activated probably 2-3 per county / city

New York the 5 boroughs (Manhattan, Queens, etc) are their own county with one municipal government which makes them a city… probably had 1-3 agents per district/ zip code

Long Island being 2 large counties the size of southern Florida probably had 100 or so Agents

Dallas, Austin, LA, SF, Philly, all likely had more than 10 agents…

So to ask why they aren’t all activated… I think it comes down to logistics of if I activate them now.. what happens later… if I can contain this now without them I still have a backup in case everything goes to shit, division agents were quarantining like the rest of society which kept them safe from contamination

This is all speculation on my part so don’t take it as full measure if u don’t want to

I will say tho only in Manhattan is it practical for only 10 agents to function simply because of its design, with the subway and gridlocked infrastructure… it’s by far the most efficient borough when it comes to navigation

Same goes for DC except dc is a ton of walking and youd probably run out of breath before you make it to the gates of the capitol … might as well run across a football field 10 times

[sick lantern]

it’s a cruddy retcon which is part of an overall problem of god awful writing at the time

[sick lantern]

the first wave was comprised of residents of new york and the surrounding area as seen in the missing agent profiles from div 1

(why faye lau wasn’t part of the first wave, plot hole i guess)

[glad spruce]

So I just finished the first two manhunt targets and there's been talk about Saint Louis and radiation poisoning. What's that deal about?

[sick lantern]

it's the events of Recruited

[glad spruce]

I haven't read the novel

You can DM me what happens there since I'm unlikely to read it

[surreal hearth]

There’s been a lot of rumor spreading going on about saint Louis

According to NGN he speculates that there a much bigger problem than some alliance between the true sons and the black tusk and the vendetta behind the “dirty bomb vs DC-62” scenarios

The rogues and outcast being buddies is a very strong motivation

[floral gull]

So what’s happening in the other countries without Division Agents?

[fringe gale]

probably in recovery mode

id assume the US got hit the hardest, with everything else either being very close to America level of collapse or actually stable

[raw yew]

I’d take it in countries where certain weapons were banned civilians got steamrolled if PMC like LMB attempted to set up shop and establish martial law

Also doubt that they’d have as heavily regarded issues as USA did with Rikers and Cleaners … the only thing that seems impractical really is everyone’s access to full auto weapons (cleaners in particular) rikers are different since they raided armories

[gaunt ice]

tbf you dont really expect city workers to start wielding flamethrowers against the living

i think the bigger issue is that a handful of agents is just not enough to save a failing operation

[raw yew]

That’s why I considered how many per borough would be available

Cause it is highly impractical to expect 1 or even 4 agents to cover the entirety of any borough other than Manhattan, and even that’s a stretch given you’d run out of places to run and hide if u don’t have manpower

I found it to be a funny quirk that most of the cleaners are sanitation workers tho lol, they’re technically still doing their job minus the murdering

[raw yew]

Russia Langley report might suggest division agents in Russia or it could be CIA

Canada had their own response thing similar to CERA

Also Asia seems to be winning

According to Asia sitrep comm

[sick lantern]

it’s only one ||dead|| rogue agent though

[cunning osprey]

Who do the hunter work for

[sick lantern]

Calvin McManus, the secretary of the DHS

[cunning osprey]

Isn’t he black tusk

[sick lantern]

he is working alongside Natalya Sokolova

[cunning osprey]

He does work with black tusk

[viral shell]

Heres the thing - the secretary of the DHS is 18th in line for the presidnecy

its thought he's had the hunters remove all those between him and ellis (who faye lau killed)

[cunning osprey]

Okay

[viral shell]

But he hasnt yet been declared president

[cunning osprey]

Why did Ellis go Rogue

[viral shell]

Ellis was convinced to hand over the anti-viral to BT

we arent 100% sure why, all we know is that he did

[cunning osprey]

Okay why did Aaron keener go rogue

[viral shell]

He was first wave, along with the other rogues in NYC

The first wave were abandoned in the Dark Zone during Division 1

[cunning osprey]

Okay why did he want to destroy the division in 2

[sick lantern]

yep, that’s what I said lol

[viral shell]

Because the JTF and SHD abandoned them in the Sealed off dark zone

[cunning osprey]

Okay

Thanks

[viral shell]

We are the second wave

[cunning osprey]

Why does the black tusk want to stop the division

[viral shell]

The are a private Military Contractor who decided they could do a better job of running the US than the SHD

The LMB were utterly destroyed at the end of division 1, and their remaining members joined BT and True Sons

The old LMB are effectively the White Tusk you face in legendaries

[cunning osprey]

What are the lmb

[viral shell]

Last Man Battalion. They are former members of the US military who declined to be part of the JTF

but during Division 1, we hunt them down and kill their leader

[cunning osprey]

Okay thanks that helps a lot

[hardy oar]

I think this is what Theo Parnell meant when he said he found a conspiracy. Should the devs go in this direction? What do you think?

[sick lantern]

they already did
the black tusk is a walking conspiracy lol

[hardy oar]

What I meant is - should we follow Parnell "deep state conspiracy theory" or leave it be for the time being. I think McManus WAS using Amherst before and IS using Sokolova and Anderson now to be the president himself. Like he wants to say - "Those before me were useless and only I can restore law and order in this lawless times. See this destruction? I am your ONLY hope."

[raw yew]

NSA classified mission was really nice, made me think of the first resident evil movie tho 😅

[raw yew]

They were the black tusk of division 1 … but they fight much like true sons since they don’t really use tech… they were interesting bc they were equal to the division agent in terms of fire power… rogue agents who were aligned with Keener were also aligned with LMB bc Keener made some deal with them… it was them who shot down your Osprey (heli) coming into Manhattan

Private Military contractors but they pretty much protected the rich and government institutions

[raw yew]

There’s a comm where the black tusk commanding officer sees the division as potential Allies but their primary goal, or once primary goal since we took out all their lieutenants was to take control of DC and establish martial law, which is what LMB did in NY. They view everyone in dc as hostile

[raw yew]

Keener and other rogues were ordered to pull out, he thought the situation could still be saved… his whole dynamic of continuing Amhersts work doesn’t make sense to me tho, they just set him on a path of vengeance with no real reason, he basically became the typical genocidal maniac with guilty by association…

[ivory solar]

My friend believes that Keener didn’t actually believe he could save Manhattan and either lied to himself or tried to make it seem like that’s what he wanted to do

To probably reinforce his cause in the minds of others

[viral shell]

Keener was never trying to save manhattan. That was a ruse.

He just needed a base to create his new version of the dollar flu, and then his plan was to disperse it and those that survived would be the ultimate winners.

Survival of the fittest and all that

[ivory solar]

Keener was smart (although my friend would disagree with that) and he should’ve known the situation was FUBAR. Same with the LMB. It’s hard enough to save the Dark Zone, let alone an entire city no matter how much manpower you have

[viral shell]

Keener had this mad idea that him and his gang could get rid of the weak and leave only the strong to survive and create a new world order somewhere down the line from that

and his version of the virus would help him achieve that

[raw yew]

Still doesn’t make sense for him to be a meglo maniac … it doesn’t associate with him believing he was doing the right thing then becomes I wanna kill everything

I think he just did it because he was condemned either way and wanted to prove he was serious that the city was dying and no amount of effort would save it bc JTF lacked the initiative to save it… not that youre all weak and don’t deserve life… that was Amherst motto not Keener

Also he was a genius but he was also needed others because he wasn’t that much a genius, his intellect started with and ended with being able to manipulate people … I don’t think keener designed ANNA and rather it was Parnell… I mean he was the tech genius, keener was just the guy in charge

We never actually got to know the potential of Parnells watch if it had the same interface or what… but it was used by Faye and I imagine it was on par with Keeners

[dull mural]

Im looking forward to what we find deep beneath the DARPA Labs in The Descent

[round sinew]

What's the descent?

[sick lantern]

Descent is the upcoming roguelite-etc game mode

[round sinew]

I can't believe they're still developing new stuff

I thought Countdown would've been it tbh

[spark bane]

just wondering what was the time frame for Heartlands to be released ? just got back into D2 and i heard about this new game in development

[fringe gale]

sometime this year

probably in the fall if it actually goes smoothly

[viral shell]

Just be aware that what we do know about Heartlands is that its going to be a free to play PvPvE game, possibly a BR-like game.

[obtuse arrow]

I was hoping it would be one of those Division director bunkers I heard mentioned in a lore video once

[sick lantern]

none of which are in DC

[gaunt ice]

Nope because he’s an egotistical mutt who cant stand being a side NPC and the fall of the DZ is just an excuse

He never really wanted to save people,he just wants to be the smartest slick in the room

And when things dont go his way he becomes a crybaby who also gets his hands on bio weapons

The “he got mad that he was betrayed” argument only holds up if you dont account WoNY in

[raw yew]

This I agree with, I just don’t like the whole plot of genocide

[gaunt ice]

And even then there’s the whole debate about rogues just being scumbags or mentally unstable people who’s also a walking armory

[raw yew]

I agree with all you’ve said… I just find the whole thing to be a cliche

[sick lantern]

it's possible (I daresay even probable) that the community being occupied by the Black Tusk is Athena

[serene hawk]

I agree, not a megalomaniac, he was a savant. He was overly frustrated that JTF wasn’t doing things his way because the way he saw it, that was the best and potentially only way.

Did he like power, and being the boss? Yes, but it was more about believing that the failure of the old world was doomed to repeat unless it’s dogma and restrictions were eliminated.

[surreal hearth]

I just realized something about this victor tram guy

If you don’t know victor tram or Tran I’m guessing was some big deal professor who was very popular among his students and peers in town

He’s also a murderer that provoked the people of Georgetown into accepting DC-62

Why hasn’t been stopped in the first place? Is because he like to be in total control but he’s very hostile about disagreeing with him and uses some aggressive tactics to flush anyone that might be sick with the green poison which is a total lie

Prime example was shay who used to live in Georgetown but was kicked out because Tram used lying tactics at shay thinking that she was sick

Overall he was stringed up hanging from a bridge, brain rotten to death, and he’s been there for years or in game months

[raw yew]

Where is this in? A book?

[haughty palm]

I remember it being in audio files I found

(Havnt found them all since I tried and looked up and it says I had to backtrack through storyline missions I did already and I didn’t want to spend another hour or two since no pops in LFG so just gave up.)

[sick lantern]

it’s in ECHOs

[surreal hearth]

It came from both an audio file and an echo in dark zone west

You find them roaming around the dark zones about that murderer

You can also find shays recordings outside the dark zone all over DC

[raw yew]

Didn’t even know there’s echoes in the dz

[supple cove]

Is there a lore reason why the black tusk/true sons coalition don’t just blitzkrieg the White House
They have the numbers to easily overwhelm the JTF and SHD agents still remaining

[viral shell]

||This is likely why we're building up the castle settlement - a white house invasion is imminent - The castle is only staffed by JTF, has no civilians, and has stuff only otherwise found in a BoO||

[supple cove]

Taking back the White House would be a cool mission

The castle would be a better BoO anyway imo
I feel like the buildings are a lot more sturdy the White House

[viral shell]

I wouldn't be surprised if they extended the castle to The Choke when it becomes a BoO.

[ashen jungle]

It is oddly placed now that Castle is a thing again.
Although disagree on White House not being sturdy, there's a literal nuclear bunker below it.

[supple cove]

Yea it’s like 2ft from the castle front door

[viral shell]

I personally keep The choke always Taken

As I see it as a guard house for the castle

[supple cove]

Well I meant more like the actual building itself

[supple cove]

Same

[ashen jungle]

History of Castle says it's not all that secure, I guess they put something in place to protect against more chemical warfare mortar attacks.

[sick lantern]

Final Measure mark II

[surreal hearth]

The castle settlement will soon be our new base but this was suggested by captain Frederick Lewis himself and Wally as they know that the white house invasion is imminent

Also I was re-listening to Lewis audio and apparently him and his team wasn’t just sent on suicide missions to kill the SHD no they are here to investigate the hunter activities that’s been roaming around

And all of that intel was mostly sent to Wally since she has been digging around on this for months before she defected the true sons

Basically the only thing we did during that manhunt was removing Andersons “surveillance team” and then convert Lewis to our side

[raw yew]

The real stronghold is the Washington monument, that thing is still standing after being blown apart and numerous control point encounters

[ashen jungle]

the fact that the Riverside Gas Station is still there despite the amount of nearby explosions means that place is built better than Fort Knox.

I always wondered if in the lore, Factions that took over a place would set up traps for whomever showed up next.

[surreal hearth]

Now one of my biggest worries is shaeffer

[viral shell]

Schaeffer is in no position to bargain

Hes currently in a coma

having survived out attempt to kill him on coney island

[surreal hearth]

How can the JTF move a comatose black tusk leadership out from his bed and into the wheel bed without cutting off his life support? And it has to be fast and onboard the helicopter before a black tusk kill team shows up captured or kill by Nat

[viral shell]

BT don't want to rescue him, they only want him dead at this point. He's outlived his usefulness to them

[supple cove]

Strap a jet engine and some wings onto his bed and watch him fly

[viral shell]

If he wakes up there might be some info he could give us that we still don't know

[surreal hearth]

Natalya is still unaware that shaeffer was conspired that she would turn against Natalya yet

Also this stonepipe guy doesn’t look like some black tusk operative

He’s a gunrunner type with long experience of heavy demolition training including using missiles and nukes

[ashen jungle]

I'm choosing to believe he cosplays as Lincoln in his sparetime, hence the nickname.

[viral shell]

Remember - a lot of BT operatives have next to no military training and most are ex-cons or gangsters.

Schaeffer was told to find anyone he could to join them, no matter where he found them

[surreal hearth]

Well the mister unknown guy did suggest using cutthroats, criminals, and scumbags according to the echo.

And yet nobody know who that guy was when the black tusk first rolled in

At first we thought he was a BTSU leader before shaeffer became one but turns out he’s some top dog benefactor a puppet on Natalya’s strings

[lunar harbor]

I understood that reference

Wonder what Grenade you'll get when you defuse the Shell

[viral shell]

@sick lantern AH ok. I double checked and got the year wrong. Its set after the events of Black Friday 2015

so div 2 is the summer of 2016

[sick lantern]

the specific year the games are set in has never been made explicit

[viral shell]

The wikipedia article states black friday 2015

[ashen jungle]

It's never been explicitly confirmed ingame when the events of Black Friday take place.
at one point it was mentioned to be 2018(or similar) but that has since been removed and it's more "soft canon" now.

Similar to what your Div1 Agent is doing in the events of Div2.

[sick lantern]

there’s one piece of promotional material that says 2015 but it has incorrect information

[tame marsh]

In the book Splinter Cell Dragonfire, they say Fourth Echelon is responsible for stopping the Division virus from happening, and that book his stated to take place after Ghost Recon Wildlands (2019). Fourth Echelon is active from 2013-all the way to Breakpoint 2025.

But here’s the definitive answer, in The World of the Division Book.

I can’t post a picture here? There’s a newspaper that’s dated December 4th 2015

[sick lantern]

which is this @tame marsh

[tame marsh]

Why is it wrong?

[sick lantern]

it refers to Bliss as a US army colonel for one thing

and one of the other headers is something like “new york prepares for a dark winter” which is too tongue in cheek for me to take seriously

[viral shell]

https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Timeline

That says 2015

However, there is a photo in the division game dated August 2018

[tame marsh]

Lol what’s so bad about that headline? Also the wiki says Bliss is an ex colonel so does the game say different or something?

[viral shell]

Yeah, i am fairly sure the official lore is that Charles Bliss is an ex-army colonel

[sick lantern]

but not currently, which is the exact language the paper uses

[viral shell]

The could be using journalistic in world views

Officially, in world, he is technically still an Army colonel

He just refused to withdraw with the rest of of the JTF from the dark zone, and made himself chief of the LMB

[sick lantern]

the LMB is a PMC which he was a member of before the outbreak

he is not army personnel during or just before the game and the backstory is that he hasn’t been for some years at least

[viral shell]

"The Last Man Battalion was a force of private military contractors, primarily made up of US military veterans who were brought aboard by their leader, Lt. Col. Charles Bliss, himself a former US Army officer. "

He still holds the rank of Lt Col, as all army officers keep their rank whether they are part of the army or not

They can retire and will still hold the rank

And lower tier officers still have to respect that rank

even if they are retired

As all US army officers are technically available for recall at a moments notice

[sick lantern]

I am looking at it right now and it has zero mention of the LMB
it says “recalled early from a tour in Afghanistan” which isn’t true either
“a division of the US army reporting directly to the colonel” never existed
it’s a bogus source from before the game’s lore was properly realised, I’ll bet they had the concept of a rogue Army officer left floating around and that’s how we got Ridgeway in 2

also one of the headers is credited to a certain Yannick. this is not a proper source of definitive information lmao

this isn’t the only time it happens either, elsewhere in the book there’s a map of manhattan that is very inconsistent with the landmarks in the final game

[sleek plover]

Damn I hate LMB

[surreal hearth]

LMBs,true sons, black tusk they are all terrorist súper armies, soldiers of fortunes, scumbags for hired and…..perfect to kill for sports.

[ashen jungle]

Okay there, settle down now.

[glad spruce]

Looks like I missed some stuff here

[daring jacinth]

i never thought someone would describe a virtual enemy in a videogame in such a serious and personal way

[surreal hearth]

Because it’s true but at the same point it was overreacting maybe because I’ve played too much titles that always have mercenary factions in most games.

[daring jacinth]

💀

[surreal hearth]

Uh oh I think I killed someone

[frail coyote]

See the PMC's and ex-military don't bother me, end of day I know what they are and want, Outcasts tho

they are unpredictable

[sleek plover]

Outcast and rioters are the two faction I can definitely sympathize and turn traitor for

[sick lantern]

this is the lore channel

[daring jacinth]

the hunter and outcast agenda is giggachad

[surreal hearth]

The outcast and the rioters are understandable despite their lack of equipment and manpower

[hardy oar]

You forgot to add the Cleaners into this list

[surreal hearth]

Oh snap the cleaners how can I forget pyros TF2 long cousins

The cleaners are kinda in between both sides of the war I mean sure they wanna save the world by burning the green poison by any means necessary however it turned these once hero wannabe sanitary crews into second rate cousins of the Pyro from TF2

Like when you wear that gas mask you see puppies and kittens being happy but on the opposite side of reality all you can see death and destructions

[hardy oar]

Sad but you're unfortunately right

[surreal hearth]

I think Tom Clancy took so much big inspiration from TF2 with these cleaners cuss they are fun to fight them in division 1 and 2

[ivory solar]

Clancy died before div1 came out but he might’ve been able to see it through very early development

Depends on when concepts for this game began really

[surreal hearth]

And last but not least the hunters

The hunters are basically omega wolves 🐺 that hunts down both divisions and rogue agents alike

A wolves vs the Phoenix ideology

[hardy oar]

As they say - The road to hell is paved with good intentions

[surreal hearth]

https://youtu.be/IGigIC4eQks

These hunter noises terrified everyone

[sick lantern]

i prefer the real scary hunters
https://youtu.be/BCGefh5fugQ

[glossy oyster]

Survival hunters best hunters

Actually just terrifying to deal with

[hasty bear]

God damn!! That was the most brutal takedown I've seen, being snuck up on and then DOUBLE executed, I know its just the AI code but they reeeeeeeeally wanted that player dead 🤣

[gritty patrol]

isn't this only beasts noise ? (The hunter who pops up in bardon hunt)

[hasty bear]

Could be safe to say they all make similar vocalisations as all the others Hunter's don't make any noise at all, not that I've heard at least, no grunts/punts or death noises

[gritty patrol]

the beast was different kind of hunter, lunatic, psycho etc. , even his mask is not 1 hunter mask but 2 masks put together

[hasty bear]

Ahhh gotcha

[gritty patrol]

other hunters, you can call Tier 1 military unit where nearly no voice commands whatsoever

they know their shit and use visuals (if together) I remember seeing them nodding each other while trying to take picture in photo mode

[hasty bear]

That makes more sense

[hasty bear]

For real?? That's sick!

[gritty patrol]

it was 1 sec thing while they search for me

[hasty bear]

Which one's were they?

[gritty patrol]

maybe I mistook their movements to nod

[gritty patrol]

twin hunters in NY if I remember correctly

drama and weirdo

[hasty bear]

Nice, I haven't done many of the NY ones, only the one with the 4 flags and the Camo Hunter that you find in DC (counts as a NY hunter cuz of the mask size/shape)

[gritty patrol]

I hunted all of them bcz I wanted black gear dye so bad 😄

[surreal hearth]

Ur giving hunters name?

[hasty bear]

Black gear dye is from the DC ones isn't it?

[hasty bear]

They all have names based on their masks

[gritty patrol]

all

[surreal hearth]

Ah makes sense

[hasty bear]

May you elaborate? I have "Full Black" gear dye from doing the DC Hunters

[surreal hearth]

So the bardon hunter name is “beast”

[gritty patrol]

strange, I remember I got it from haven after I hunted all hunters

[gritty patrol]

well most call him beast

he got no name, its mask name is deceit

[surreal hearth]

They called him Beast because of his rare growl noises

[gritty patrol]

exactly

which is I still think he wasn't a hunter at all imo

[surreal hearth]

And Many hunters are more of a “painless but strong silent types”

[gritty patrol]

all of them except beast

there is theories about beast not being a real hunter

imo, he's lunatic 1st wave agent who hunted down 2 hunters and survived div1 survival

[sick lantern]

go go power rangers...

[hasty bear]

As per a Reddit comment:
"To get the Full- Black dye, you must kill all new hunters that were released with the expansion and gather all 8 off white keys.

Opening the cache gives you the Hunter Killer named chest piece and the dye you seek."

Which is odd cuz I got Hunter-Killer from the White House chest O.o

[gritty patrol]

shield breaker drops in white house, hunter-killer and black die drops in haven. This game is not perfectly optimized, things happen :d

[surreal hearth]

So he’s some cyberpsycho type hunter that survived the dark zone and went off the grid after many first wave agents gone rogue

[hasty bear]

I need to find Cassie to reconfirm whether or not I do have it unlocked for sale, I'm confident I do but I crushed mine a the time as couldn't find a good use for it so I might be wrong

[gritty patrol]

we got no real answer about him, we didn't even knew anything about hunters until last seasons

so if you played div1 you know there is a gamemode called survival which is https://youtu.be/BCGefh5fugQ this video comes from

I guess he's an agent who survived there canon and went psycho what he saw there

[surreal hearth]

Back then the hunters were a major unknown faction in dvi1 until the division2 started revealing a lot of their secrets

[gritty patrol]

not until captain lewis hunt actually 😄

[surreal hearth]

Most of them are under McManus control and has some insane classified shade tech that’s not even SHD or rogue

[gritty patrol]

then we learned they trained under SHD like us but better

[surreal hearth]

The Bonnie test was part of an initial test for the hunter program

[gritty patrol]

yeap

we learned that info in lewis hunt 😄

[surreal hearth]

It’s not SHD tech it’s something even more powerful than that

[gritty patrol]

not as a tech

[surreal hearth]

It’s a hybrid tech modified with black tusk technology

[gritty patrol]

SHD is Strategic Homeland Division

[surreal hearth]

Yeah I know that what they stand for

[gritty patrol]

who do you think BT got all that tech

[sick lantern]

through McManus’ and Sokolova’s connections to the government

[gritty patrol]

I sometimes think 2nd wave agents (US) are the bad guys around tbh

I never saw BT being a threat to civis

[ivory solar]

There’s a comm where a black tusk guy is told to kill civs or something like that

[gritty patrol]

Do you trust ISAC ?

[ivory solar]

And SHD agents must not let harm to come to civilians or they will become rogue but the rogue definitions are very unclear

[gritty patrol]

it made clear in Keener manhunt, you can trick ISAC

[hasty bear]

Ahh, I have the Solid - Black dye, my bad. Still need to find Cassie tho

[gritty patrol]

no worries 😄

[sick lantern]

time to hit em with the book again

[gritty patrol]

I wish we had an option to go with ANNA but no ISAC after Keener

[gritty patrol]

never read the books, I'm open for any info

[sick lantern]

"Belief in the purity of their vision lets the Black Tusk terminate anything that threatens it- U.S. soldiers, national security operatives like The Division, civil servants, civilians- without hesitation or remorse... Nobody is an innocent bystander according to Black Tusk rules of engagement."

[gritty patrol]

Geneva Suggestions indeed

[hasty bear]

I have seen them harassing civilians in the open world, sometimes executing them outright (not the public executions)

[gritty patrol]

I didn't spent enough time in open world then...

[hasty bear]

I finding new echoes, just north of the WH there is one pertaining a confrontation between JTF officers, two of which defected to the True Sons. I guess with each manhunt target/season they are adding new echoes here and there

[sick lantern]

I’m pretty sure that’s been in the game since launch

[hasty bear]

I've gone past there hundreds of times and never seen it before, maybe certain conditions in the game unlock more echoes? I dunno lmao always cool to find unseen ones though

[bright steppe]

Just finished reading Compromised by Thomas Parrott. I have been told that Ubisoft considers this and his previous book as canon to the TD universe. If so, I really don't like the indications on the direction the TD world appears to be heading. Sorry, but it is much too woke and I believe that it will ultimately kill the franchise if it gets into the game. I can document my reasons if requested, but didn't want this post to go too long. BTW this post is not an attack on Mr. Parrott (his two books are well written and entertaining to read), but a complaint about how I see the overall creative direction is headed for the TD "meta-plot".

Oh, if this is not the place to discuss the TD books and overall plot elements, my apologies and please point me in the right direction. Thx.

[ivory solar]

This is the right place to discuss lore and such, which includes books

[bright steppe]

[sick lantern]

...”woke”?

[bright steppe]

Spoilers for 2nd Parrott book: ||"Big oil" bad, so we agents will leave oil refining capabilities, which millions of people across the country are depending on just for survival, in the hands of a coalition of a ruthless, ex-military warlord and a murderous environmental cult which wants to completely get off oil.|| A bit simplified but basically true. Whatever your view on the subject, it makes no logical sense for that society. This is but one example.

[sick lantern]

yea I've read the book

I have no clue as to what conclusion you've actually reached nor what comprehensible sense it's supposed to make

how exactly you've come to the conclusion that there was some sort of woke agenda is beyond me

this is just one of the most baffling takes I've ever seen I'm flabbergasted

[glossy oyster]

I mean aren't supply lines at least mildly stable through the east coast at least?

Bc ik black tusk was taking oil refineries in one of the books, but idk where big oil comes into the Div world at all

[bright steppe]

The way they talk about (or at least refer to) climate change, ambiguity of TD's mission and actions, the shifting sands of who is the enemy and when it is OK to just accept a group who have shwon their murderous side all seem to lean toward wokeness than not. Yes, this is just my opinion and right now it's just the vibe I am getting, not necessarily a hard left turn. We'll have to see what Book3 reveals in more concrete terms. Anyone know the current publishing date?

[glossy oyster]

Who have we accepted that had a murderous side? And also how is that woke?

[bright steppe]

Yes, supply lines are fairly stable in the timeframe of the books. That won't be the case if the Texas refineries are shut down.

[sick lantern]

I presume they're referring to ||the ecologist faction who were being manipulated by a rogue agent, and are open to negotiation and to de-escalate come the end of the book||

[glossy oyster]

Ah

That honestly just sounds like stuff that happens constantly in real life

[bright steppe]

Not "we" the audience, but the Division in the story (apparently). ||Raffiel takes over the Reborn after Raines is killed. Yes, they are not going on any more rampages AFAWK, but one, Raffiel says he will negotiate a "phased transition" off oil. What happens when they realize they can't get off oil 100%. Two, there are still plenty of True Believers within the ranks. I find it hard to believe that they will sit still with Raffiel's more mellow tactics. ||

[glossy oyster]

I mean, it's a decent look at faction politics, I wonder if he'll play with that for the 3rd one

Still doesn't scream woke tho honestly

[bright steppe]

Sure all the different factions operate differently and most of them hate each other as well as the the Division. I like that about the game. But at the end of the day, they are all about power for themselves, and to h*ll with reuniting the country and getting it going again, which is the Division's top level mission. No not screaming woke, at least so far, but more so than not IMO. Again, hopefully Book 3 will clarify some things. Especially the epilogue, which I find annoying if it is taken at face value. However, not enough info there for any hard conclusions yet.

[surreal hearth]

Our next blood hunt is upon us people be ready to hunt the unlucky

[agile schooner]

SpliCell Firewall and Dragon fire both mention elements of the division. Firewall , SHD.

Dragonfire, 4th Echelon stopped and killed Amherst

[deep marten]

What?

[ashen jungle]

They're a little strange, but mostly harmless. You just gotta go with it a bit.

[deep marten]

Right

I really don't get why ppl RP here instead of making their own servers

[ashen jungle]

We try to discourage it as a general rule, but single sentences are somewhat more complicated.

[deep marten]

Understandable, it kinda sits in the line between RPing or just random sentences

[delicate escarp]

A question regarding the new audio (spoilers) ||when they talk about Saint Louis, are they mentioning a place or a person, if it's the former, is it a place we know in-game or is it just connected to the story?||

And what do you guys think about ||Fairview, does it mean that the manhunt will take place there again or all the name drops are just for context? It would suck to have the same place in a row for the manhunt tbh||

[viral shell]

Its St. Louis in Missouri

[delicate escarp]

Thanks but can you please put spoiler tags? I wouldn't want to ruin it for the fellas who haven't done the manhunt yet

[sick lantern]

saint louis, king of france 1226-1270

[delicate escarp]

xD

Jokes aside with all the weird nicknames and not being versed in American geography i got confused

[glad spruce]

I feel like all the stuff about Saint Louis in the audio logs are callbacks from recent Division novels

[fringe gale]

i think it is

seems like everything might be properly tying together (and with heartland on the way, it could take place near St Louis)

[sick lantern]

There is a Silver Creek in Mississippi

but I thought they said they were making a fully fictional town for Heartland

[fringe gale]

i think it is

it looks too cold to be in mississippi if that makes any sense

[sick lantern]

wait no im dumb af mississippi and missouri

different states

[surreal hearth]

Well update on our manhunts

This is bad news

Sokolova knew she knew that bardon would defect somehow she’s talking about facts but shows no evidence that bardon is a traitor to the black tusk

[fringe gale]

i didnt get a chance to check the comms yet, are the black tusk planning to hit the white house now

[surreal hearth]

Not yet so far but it looks like Natalya is targeting bardon shaeffer according to her and cursed they believed that the bardon access is restricted to anyone only kelso, manny and captain Lewis are allowed in to see shaeffer but have been feeding him foods on tubes over the past few months

She also claimed that he may have defected from the black tusk after Faye lau “persuaded” him about Natalya’s questionable motives regarding to working with the hunters

And yet she hasn’t mentioned any signs of negative comments whatsoever at lau.

[median crag]

Kinda weird how we can't see the helmet man himself, considering how we were the one that apprehended him

[surreal hearth]

Meanwhile for the third time is the saint Louis rumor again regarding to the nuclear situation

I got a feeling that we might be going back to the petros Fairview nuclear plant again

[delicate escarp]

Tbh unless they put way more custom stuff ||I'll be very bummed out if the final mission is there again||

[mint citrus]

Can't have shit in DC

Fuckers stole my White House

[surreal hearth]

Decisions if it’s going to be dirty bombs or DC-62 are still undecided and unknown but all I can say is nat is attempting to push for nuclear deals while Anderson being a soft SOB is thinking he’s way over his head

[surreal hearth]

Ok so this is a small speculation but

Been playing some ghost Recon Breakpoint and these so called wolves faction have a similar insignia like the hunters do

[glossy oyster]

It was already confirmed that they're a part of Homeland Security iirc

[surreal hearth]

Oh right I forgot about that McManus is the secretary of homeland security

[sick lantern]

Hunters being connected to Ghost Recon was like the third or fourth most common theory before McManus was revealed

[fringe gale]

i got a theory for the base story for heartland ngl

[sick lantern]

go on then

[fringe gale]

heartland seems to really be focusing on the virus in silver creek as well as a strange amount of rogues, mainly with the virus spreading faster at night (saw that in a vid im pretty sure) and rogue agents all over the place. the only thing is that, silver creek seems like a very random place to have all these things happening. so A. either some Division agent (or higher up) has their own little group of rogues posted up in Silver Creek and have something to do with the infection, or B. the town has something to do with the actual infection there

bit far fetched but ive been living off crumbs and ngn videos for a while atp

did see a theory that silver creek is one of the 3 cores (probably kansas if they arent adapting the ny silver creek)

[sick lantern]

afaik they’ve said Silver Creek is a fictional town so it’s not any of the real towns also named Silver Creek

which is a real shame imo

[fringe gale]

mhm

i mean, since its a fictional town that would give em leeway to seriously involve it with the division if my theory is correct

[sick lantern]

fwiw the only core we’ve physically seen so far was underground in the middle of a random field

so who knows

maybe it’s nearby but not physically in the town, making the town a natural hotspot and launching point for incursions against the core

or maybe they just don’t care and it’s another f2p game with a half arsed live service narrative? :) let’s hope not

[fringe gale]

i hope not too

a fresh new setting and new basis for gameplay, they can really do good things with its story

[haughty palm]

If it’s more like Div 1 (still have it installed) then Div 2 (uninstalled it already) im in. Otherwise not buying it.

[sick lantern]

it’s free

[haughty palm]

Oh that’s even worse lol 😂

[fringe gale]

from what ive seen and heard, think a hybrid of darkzone, survival and story mode

[fringe gale]

story mode to the point theres actual mission you can do, darkzone and survival mechanics like water, virus contamination

[sick lantern]

@covert hull I doubt it, going after a big bad™️ so soon after he's introduced and the plot is pretty much just getting rolling rn, would be kind of anticlimactic

not that we hadn't grown to expect mistakes in the storytelling but still

[covert hull]

Hopefully.

[sick lantern]

considering they’re making a big deal out of Sokolova coming to DC while we haven’t even seen McManus’ face, presumably the next season will involve some sort of action against her

directly or otherwise

[surreal hearth]

Well next week it’s almost time to take the fight against stovepipe but

And this is a “but” scenario her

Once we engage auntie and a straight shot to stovepipe there’s a high chance we will not be coming back to the white house anytime soon and it’s taking place somewhere in Conley island

We are expecting multiple McManus tricks on that island soon

[ivory solar]

Two things: we already had a manhunt in the amusement park mission and Coney Island is far away from DC

If Stovepipe is supposed to takeover DC I don’t think that’d be ideal

[delicate escarp]

The fact is, they are name-dropping||Pentco and this Saint Louis|| place a lot in the audios

Either||we go back to Pentco, get some type of radiation hazard related modified mission or (an this is the most unlikely realistically) a whole new place dedicated to the manhunt||

[raw yew]

Why do some true sons enemies sometimes have rikers shield turrets

[late void]

named enemies from bounties can potentially have random skills from any other enemy archetype as well as shd skills

[obtuse arrow]

The picture of all the targets hints at New York since that's what's in the background but I doubt it will be there even if that would be cool

[delicate escarp]

I mean, we havent had a WONY mission based final manhunt before (if you dont count Keener's mission nor Coney Island), so it's a 50/50 between being a hint for the mission or just being there for promotional reasons since this is post WONY content

[surreal hearth]

Named enemies tend to use all sorts of random tech from other factions including SHD tech.

[obtuse arrow]

That would be great, New York is a dead area of the map unless people are doing Keener runs.

[surreal hearth]

There’s a chance that they might use certain levels on New York for the final manhunt mission

[delicate escarp]

I wonder if the ||Castle|| is gonna see different stages of progress in restoration like other ||settlements|| in the last phase of the season or in the span of other seasons

[raw yew]

Is it not unwise for JTF to be unarmed in the White House? Just noticed the crew upstairs have their holsters empty

[haughty palm]

Do you not hear the constant air horns talking about civilians are not allowed to own guns and walk around with them on the premise? And the JTF is not all military remember.

[raw yew]

Just seems impractical given how many times the White House has been under threat

[haughty palm]

Oh I agree 100%. But sadly logic doesn’t fit into fantasy so 🤷🏻‍♂️

[sick lantern]

if it reaches the point where the techies have to whip out their sidearms it probably is too late already

[raw yew]

Switching to sidearm is faster than reloading!

[mint citrus]

There's probably a lot more people in the WH than we see as the player

[mint citrus]

Sokolova seemed far too chipper in the last few comm collectibles

Lady's plottin'.

[surreal hearth]

Good old Gaz

[surreal hearth]

That’s because she’s getting a little strategical on how to approach and retrieve her “key” off the white house

[haughty palm]

Awesome game. One of my OGs

[fringe gale]

white house abt to get done so dirty

[obtuse arrow]

Maybe they will finally find the five-sixteenth and save the white house

[fringe gale]

whats next for manhunt, auntie right

[static bolt]

Yush

[sleek plover]

TBH I'm waiting for div 3 at this pt

So we can destroy Black Tusks, which now conveniently absorbed every single authoritarian faction's like LMB and True Sons so it is easier for us to exterminate them all at once, once and for all.

[steady shore]

div3?

theres division heartland and division resurgance

[sleek plover]

Yes, but div 3s probably when black tusks finally goes kaput

[steady shore]

ye thay wont do another division for another 4 ish years

as thayve got 2 other division games and xdefiant

[delicate escarp]

Defiant is not developed by Massive

It's just tangentially connected to the game (factions and being devved on the same engine), but the focus is to be an FPS with all sorts of Ubi IPs

[haughty palm]

And the Avatar game and the open world single player Star Wars game

[long galleon]

Hello everyone

[cold bramble]

Hi

[pale niche]

Howdy

[pure junco]

Ok so in new season (reign of fire) the further we go with the investigation, we collect voice recordings In which we hear stovepipe and the rest of his crew talking to Sokolova about mortars, schafffer, radiation, etc. But they also talk about saint louis in the lore of the game can we find info what happened there or what is it about?

Or just why it is important to the plot of this manhunt?

[sick lantern]

here we go again

[sick lantern]

it's the events of Recruited

[tepid crescent]

Tbf we only heard stovepipe one time (strange for a prime manhunt target 🗿)

[obtuse arrow]

There is a book about it so they are just adding lore but don't expect too much to end up in the game

[surreal hearth]

https://youtu.be/nVisqKr8fSI

NGN really trolled cursed real hard

Basically just shoot the belt again and again and again and just troll him knowing how unlucky that guy was

According to NGN curse had a nasty gambling addiction before graduation and then enlisted in the army in order to pay off the loan sharks unfortunately his addiction keeps pilling up on Europe sport bets, slot machines, even casino stuff until he got his so called “lucky numbers”

The only reason how he end up being black tusk is because of his valuable logistics skills despite his gambling addiction

Unfortunately the BTSU should have switch him to a different role because you know…..big Chungus black tusk heavy.

Honestly at this rate the division have gone very feral

[fringe gale]

bro woulda been rich if the outbreak didnt happen, ik he was hurting

[surreal hearth]

The dude did this to himself which is a prime example for high gambling addictions

[fringe gale]

predictions for heartland tmrw?

[glossy oyster]

probably gonna see some division agents

[fringe gale]

maybe a watch

[delicate escarp]

Weapons even

[floral gull]

What’s the green watches about?

[haughty palm]

The division of the division that works with green peace

[steady shore]

theres also green watches?

ive seen a green isac brick

[steady shore]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/553520755103760385/1040311209938915471/image.png

[surreal hearth]

Hmmm those are new I’ve never seen an SHD tech glow green

I’m guessing those green agents are a small army or a sentinel squad

[delicate escarp]

that's not too far from the idea i had on the mode

[steady shore]

i cant find what video i took this screenshot from

i think it was a season trailer

[delicate escarp]

i think it's gonna work like in MC dungeons tower mode. There you use a "ghost" character and equip/improve items on the way up to the final boss and then pick the loot that is gonna go to your main character

Since Yannick said that we wont be able to bring builds with us, we're probably going there either with another character (so maybe a different sub-division of agents) or a "copy" (so activating a different isac protocol in green) of our character while we descend

[steady shore]

https://i.imgur.com/erNZJEm.png found it

https://i.imgur.com/L2dB8fo.png another image

[sick lantern]

unless they’re going full Enter the Gungeon I doubt they’ll have you playing as anyone other than your own agent

like, would they swap your character’s model to someone else? or would you look the same but be LARPing that you’re a different agent?

[delicate escarp]

at this point the "green protocol" is more likely

cuz yes realistically it would be difficult to manage another character

we just need to hope that the inventory system doesnt create major problems between main world and gamemode

i just threw it out there since it's the most similar thing i saw for this type of gm

[sick lantern]

yea like maybe the upgrades in the mode are some form of restoring ISAC functionality, or some experimental unreleased tech that ISAC has to... run a firmware update to use lol
DARPA tech is probably involved

[delicate escarp]

it's DARPA 100%

unless they pull a switcheroo on us and the dungeon is different from the concept art

an alternative is something Tusk related, still DARPA was full of 'em

[sick lantern]

it's just a simulation

[fringe gale]

a rogue division commander

I WAS RIGHT

[delicate escarp]

cant wait to test it

[mint citrus]

Wait what

[fringe gale]

Heartland gameplay preview

want the jist of it or nah?

[mint citrus]

Sure

[lone salmon]

Also btw, y'all caught that key art of Y5S1?

It's Mari's aquarium like foreshadowed by Wally

[fringe gale]

So for gameplay, they go into depth about their mode Nightfall, enter Silver Creek, do actual missions, survive the night until dawn or extract with ur loot. Storywise, we're a group of 10 or so Agents with a BOO inside a iceskating rink, tasked with figuring out why a Division Commander went rogue and amassed a army of rogues

[lone salmon]

They really should be making the classified assignments free by now...

from the descent trailer description:

"Take the Descent to learn about the Black Tusk, Hunters, Division tech and Ortiz Robotics, and their relationship with the Secretary of Homeland Security, Calvin McManus."

[fringe gale]

alr so i did a side by side of google maps and the trail that was shown for heartland's preview as of where tower went

Silver Creek is either in NY or Pennsylvania

[sick lantern]

they've said it's a fictional town iirc

there are many towns called Silver Creek and it isn't any of them

[fringe gale]

yeah i think they just took the name and slapped it in the middle of pennslyvania

[halcyon iron]

Is there a SHD core in Pennsylvania?

[bright steppe]

Cores are located in Kansas, South Dakota, and Texas

[halcyon iron]

Damn I was hoping there'd be a correlation there

Genuinely curious about what's so important in silver creek

[raw yew]

Nukes

[mint citrus]

A whole lotta SEEDS

[fringe gale]

Seeds

[halcyon iron]

There's no way it's just seeds

[haughty palm]

No food stops a army faster then a non functioning nuke does

[fringe gale]

wouldnt be surprised

might be some hidden stuff but in a time like this, the ppl need crops

and the fact these "seeds" are important enough to warrant a gov facility housing them AND a division team posted to secure and protect it

probably not the full story

[halcyon iron]

I mean I'd understand wanting to protect it, but what makes me suspicious is that the agents stationed in silver creek were told to stand ground when the distress call to DC was sent out

[fringe gale]

yeah, i dont think its just seeds

mackenzie says she thinks its at the heart of something big and that cant be the seeds as she would likely know why silver creek agents are there to begin with

eclipse 2.0 perhaps?

[sick lantern]

Heartland isn’t set Pennsylvania

oh maybe

[fringe gale]

ye the trail tower leaves is across from long island and unless they messed up their geometry, we going to PA

[sick lantern]

yea I had my US geography wrong in my memory

[fringe gale]

cant blame u, pa is just forest, waterpark resorts and a strange scarcity of walmarts in some areas and philly

[surreal hearth]

I just realized something

The black tusk snipers and female black tusk commanders aren’t just wearing capes to look like super villain they are ponchos

[surreal hearth]

I wanna know or talk about this shadowing faction that have somehow is breaking the fourth wall universe

And it’s part of the NSA

Something called the echelon faction

[delicate escarp]

I was kinda right in the end. It seems it's a copy of your selected character as part of the simulation

with randomized headgear and hair/facial hair

[surreal hearth]

I’m guessing this third echelon was the reason that’s keeping the SHD infrastructure alive

No matter how many times the division collapses

Finally we will be having our first incursion

[gaunt sonnet]

is the character from Division 2 meant to be the same person as in Division 1?

Or is it a "new" person?

[sick lantern]

you’re kinda supposed to headcanon it as whatever you want

[haughty palm]

I took it as a different character. Since when you get to New York, they talk about “the other agent”, and never “Hey! Your back!”

[restive phoenix]

I think that was more of a sign of ambiguity to leave the question open for us if they did mention that then it would shut down the possibility the interpret your agent being separate from the first game this leaves it open for interpretation

[surreal hearth]

I can’t stop thinking about echelon because they may have been leaking info right under the black tusk noses such as the tital basin assault and the bioreactor on the pentagon

I know it feel too far fetched to be true

And this was before lau went rogue

[tawdry flint]

Is the "What happened in St Louis" a reference to The Division: Recruited???

Wasn't the best written book, but it certainly was a good read. Makes me want to write a story within the Division universe.

[sick lantern]

considering the book portrays the exact events described

[tawdry flint]

I only ask because Tom Clancy games tend to ignore anything from the books. They seem to distance themselves as if it's in a separate universe.

So, it's nice to see something not only canon, but referenced in one of the games.

[sick lantern]

Div has been tying in with its books since day 1

I mean, they kinda then forgot to do so for a few years, but still

[obtuse arrow]

Two separate agents

[ivory solar]

Not necessarily

Ubisoft themselves said you decide whatever happened to your div1 agent

[obtuse arrow]

Is this a new faction?

[ivory solar]

So you can say they went rogue or died or made their way to DC

[sick lantern]

https://splintercell.fandom.com/wiki/ECHELON

[surreal hearth]

It’s an old faction

[obtuse arrow]

Oh yeah that, Thought it was something to do with the new game mode.

[sick lantern]

...have you watched the trailer?

[surreal hearth]

The new game mode is connected to echelon though

[obtuse arrow]

Yeah maybe missed something

[surreal hearth]

If you watched the trailer of the new game mode you can tell it has splinter cell crossover all over it

[ivory solar]

I just gotta say I don’t like Sam Fisher being involved with the Division. First, Descent is available whether you have wony and are level 40 or not. That means Fisher is just sitting around waiting doing nothing during the time our agent spends in New York. He should be out doing missions. Sure the government is dissolved by now but can’t Manny at least tell him to do something other than train agents in a simulation? Now I’m not sure of everything since I only saw the reveal and nothing in the PTS, but to me it looks like there’s a guy named Sam Fisher just sitting around in the White House. Second, The Division franchise has never had any crossovers with other Tom Clancy games. Why now? The Division seemed to be separated from Ghost Recon and Rainbow Six and all the other games up until this point. Green Poison or something was mentioned in a Splinter Cell comic or whatever it was but Directive 51 would’ve never been activated then. Maybe the SHD exists in the Siege timeline but was never activated. Tell me, can Fisher travel between universes? And my third reason has nothing to do with the lore, but I just don’t want Fisher’s face plastered all over.

[sick lantern]

i'm guessing
after div 2 was saved from being cancelled and the fact that it's still going showed it was a successful endeavour, the big execs said to put Fisher in for marketing and hype and whatnot
"Fisher's face plastered all over" is what Ubisoft does nowadays after all

like, the roadmap is pretty impressive, feels like higher budget in my opinion

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[surreal hearth]

It’s not just about Sam fisher the legendary espionage they honestly should have put hidden lores about the NSA, echelon and the SHDs involvement

[sick lantern]

him being in political thriller Div makes more sense than him paintballing in Siege

[ivory solar]

I mean it may not make that much sense lore wise based on what I know and feel but it will surely make money

[surreal hearth]

Explain on how they are connected and some of the rogues made it clear that ISAC is just one node AI he can’t be that good

[alpine drift]

So I’m kinda new here and I’m looking for some opinions. I see people using this build I think it’s status effect build with fire or something. But we’re doing the time trials and literally the moment the adds come out they all catch on fire and basically just fall over and die. It seems wayyyyy over powered. Is it? Is it easy to put the set together? And is this the status effect build that I hear is OP and is frowned upon in the dark zone?

[spare arrow]

try down in #td2-build-advice @alpine drift

[alpine drift]

Didn’t see that earlier thanks man

[smoky escarp]

Isn’t Ghost Recon and Splinter Cell in a separate universe than Division?

[lilac storm]

Yes

[ashen jungle]

Div seems to be a soft canon place where any crossover is able to happen, since there's a Rainbow 6 outfit in div, and there's about to be a Splinter Cell one, which has crossed over with most of the other franchises by this point.

[ivory solar]

Those are just cosmetics though. You have a div outfit in siege and a resident evil outfit in div. Doesn’t mean that since there’s re cosmetics in div means they’re in the same universe, and since there’s div cosmetics and siege and siege outfits in div doesn’t mean they’re in the same universe, which also means that re isn’t in the same universe as siege

[ashen jungle]

I am aware that they are outfits, yes.

[surreal hearth]

They are kinda going soft cannon since the descendant will arrive soon

[ashen jungle]

Descent is a simulation, so you don't really need to worry about any kind of canon with that. None of it is actually happening and it's not fully clear if we're even moving during it or staying still.

Since the building where it actually is (near the White House) is not all that large.

[surreal hearth]

What about the unexplored rooms all over the castle settlement I got a feeling that they’ll be playing an important role of the storyline

[ashen jungle]

In the Year 5 roadmap, rebuilding of the Castle is mentioned as a key point, so I'm assuming they'll come up before long.

[surreal hearth]

It’ll be a major division hub or a new FOB

[ashen jungle]

Season 1 and 2, according to the current roadmap.
I honestly don't see them replacing the White House properly, but as a sort of "Haven-lite" area I can imagine it.

[surreal hearth]

There’s also this whole rumor with the saint Louis, outcast, and the rogues along with nuclear fallout

An attempt of piecing things together for those that read the book I’m guessing and how it will be carried out towards div2

[obtuse arrow]

Only lucky people who actually got the rainbow 6 outfit

[covert hull]

Glad I got the SC, R6, & GR outfits when I did for Div 1.

[raw yew]

Who in their right minds thought it was a good idea to send the settlement people to fight dc factions with a bat 😭

That’s attempted murder someone needs to check if Henry a double agent

[cosmic barn]

yeah i find it silly to send a guy with a bat

[glad spruce]

Is Auntie out yet?

[late void]

nope, another 8 days yet

[glad spruce]

Gotcha

[surreal hearth]

Honestly the settlement rushers are kinda dumb

[kind hare]

So we're definitely going to Brooklyn in Year 5, Season 4... right?

[sick lantern]

seemingly

my prediction is coming true :o

[covert hull]

I wouldn't mind seeing a Brooklyn DZ.

[sick lantern]

also ayoo welcome back

[raw yew]

Please be Canarsie

That’s the real dark zone

[surreal hearth]

Wait Brooklyn? Wasn’t the place were is all began on division?

Hmm I wonder if New York will come back with snow again?

[ashen jungle]

The image for the DLC they used in the reveal was of the Brooklyn Bridge, so I'd say there is a safe bet.

[raw yew]

From the timeline they’ve shown were somewhere around August / September if I recall correctly … meaning there’s not really been a time jump and somehow all these events have happened in like 2 weeks or so if they’re being vague with the timeline which I’d call bs

But they’d have to advance the timeline to at least December for snow to chronologically make sense as NYC doesn’t really even get snow until like February

Which made sense in division 1 … you’re playing around January

[mint citrus]

Ayo it'd be dope if the area down by City Tech was where we ended up

Adams Street and Pearl are remarkably close to the college I graduated from

Also it's right by the bridges, neighborhood called DUMBO

Down Under Manhattan Bridge Overpass

[sick lantern]

at the current point it's been over a year since the beginning of the outbreak

[raw yew]

Imagine the college being the BOO

[mint citrus]

DUDE

It absolutely would!

[raw yew]

I was mad when the NYPL is in the DZ it would have made such a good BOO

I could imagine the incursion taking place at the high street station

[restive phoenix]

I wonder if the dlc could be us reclaiming the Midtown dark zone might tie in to what Keener was trying to hit with that eclipse missle

[cursive tapir]

It's not Fisher at the end of the Descent Trailer, it's Keener

if that makes you feel any better

[raw yew]

No wonder they call it the nemesis

I never liked they called keener our agents nemesis… he’s the nemesis of ur div 1 agent

Ur nemesis in div 2 is Natalia Sokolova

[ashen jungle]

Since you can technically be the same Agent as in Div1 now, you can have 2!

I honestly see him as one for both, since he helped kill my base from div1. That place took a long time to fix up.

[undone badger]

What the hell îs the black tusk.....where are they from,why are they here.....why

[spare arrow]

the black tusk is a PMC that was operating in the shadows pre-virus, essentially they were hired to go in and take control after the virus hit

[undone badger]

Aha....why do u feel like they somehow gone Rouge from the gov

[spare arrow]

well, because in essence they did.

they were hired to pretty specifically take out division agents and SHD assets, because we are their biggest threat. they want us gone so they can take over

[undone badger]

Aight Guess îl shot them harddr

[spare arrow]

...okay? have fun, i guess

[undone badger]

Thanks

[covert hull]

Would be cool if LMB made a cameo appearance in the year 5 DLC.

[nocturne arrow]

Weren't they either incorporated into Black Tusk, as their supports, and into the JTF, who then got blown up by Dragov?

Either way, LMB's still getting killed by Division Agents.

[ashen jungle]

Correct, LMB no longer exist.
They joined various other factions or turned raider. My personal canon is that the rest of them became those balaclava weirdos that run around during WONY.

[tawny frost]

They do, as the black tusk, and more prevalently as white tusk

Isnt the black tusk support station an upgraded LMB one?

[nocturne arrow]

They pretty much are. Come to think of it, where the hell are OUR old support stations and healing grenades? I know they said it was for "balance", but we should be able to acquire some when we got back to NYC, unless somehow our old Division Agents used all of them up and couldn't make any more.

[hasty bear]

Surely the support stations are rechargeable 😂

[nocturne arrow]

They may be rechargable, but you can still shoot them up or blow them up.

[steady shore]

the early model of the support station looks weird to say the least

part of its on megans mid model

[atomic coral]

You need a micro charger not a C charger. Those are hard to find lol

[hasty bear]

LMAO yeah xD

[frail coyote]

was thinking today about if I was to be a SHD agent where I would end up, would I stay loyal, defect, or go rogue

biggest thing for me is my partner, and my mother, and both have medical issues, so realistically which faction would have a good supply line for medicine's

SHD or BT?

[cold bramble]

Probably BT

Just because they're like.. large

[delicate escarp]

Well, SHD can afford to take care of a guy in coma

And unless i missed something i don't think they ever had med supply issues canonically so

[frail coyote]

would a Leader like Natalya care to keep people medicated who don't have an inherent use as a soldier

[cold bramble]

I'm too lore illiterate to answer that

But I'm gonna take an educated guess and say.. nooo?

[delicate escarp]

Nah i dont think she would like random civvies wasting medical resources

[cold bramble]

What about like non-military employees?

[delicate escarp]

At least SHD could send you in one of their communities

[delicate escarp]

But they are still working employees

[frail coyote]

like realistically my partner is an ex-nurse and could use those skills, my mother is a recruiter, so they could maybe use their skill sets

[delicate escarp]

Well then yes, if they can work they have more of a chance

Not to mean that SHD couldn't use them

But obviously they care more about all kinds of people unlike Tusks

[frail coyote]

although being hyper realistic, my partner is immunocompromised and likely wouldn't have survived the Green poison

an my mother is pre-diabetic and needs the thing before insulin, can't remember the name of it

Ozempic

[cold bramble]

I feel like Natalya is the type of leader to break her own company's guidelines and agreements

[fringe gale]

she def has

[raw yew]

I think you’d have to serve a purpose to Black tusk to get special treatment for you or a significant person … for Faye Lau manhunt sokolovas brother was trying to make bargains with other rogue agents for trying to get them gear only someone with the connections could get

For SHD they’d keep you around so long as you’re a priority to them… ie if they needed to cut resources to ration I think they’d favor those who are able to contribute to their cause through fighting, gathering supplies, taking ops especially ones no one else will… it’s based on martial law and whose vital to survival, non essential personnel will likely receive the short end of the stick

Or is that not how the saying goes

As a division agent who has the potential to go rogue tho I doubt shd would want to lose a valued agent

At least if JTF is the one giving you orders we’ve already seen them leave people to fend for themselves for the sake of survival

[lilac storm]

It definitely works I've been killed by it before. You can absolutely run it. But ad

[surreal hearth]

Sorry got too political there

Anyways Natalya has failure allergies big ones

She’ll do whatever it takes to win by any means necessary

[surreal hearth]

Those are basically the hidden third wave agents for the black tusk

These were never activated and we’re already rogue way before the SHD was activated

Least according to viper that is

[raw yew]

Huh

[undone badger]

So.....what are the hunters

Like the weird boys with them hunterdrones

[obtuse arrow]

Apparently they are a cleanup crew for McManus

[undone badger]

Mcwho?

Manus?....what name îs McManus

[ashen jungle]

https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Calvin_McManus

[undone badger]

Thanks

ok so from what i understand hunters are some angry bois that hate The Division and kill them and the leaders is mr McManus and they wear the smartwatches of agents they have murdered and they also imitate agents and they also yoink division stuff from agents they murdered

interesting

[ashen jungle]

They also set up elaborate traps and puzzles around DC and NYC, but no one likes to talk about it.

[undone badger]

cool......now i got to find that lilte wally boi to hunt the hunters or something like that....idk i dont really give a singular crap bout hunters i just want they masks and trophys

cus...FASHION

[ashen jungle]

May take a while. There's 12 in DC and 13 more in DC/NYC.

Although not 25 encounters, some are multiple together.

[undone badger]

Ye might i ask where îs Wally thought?

[raw yew]

Now I wish the button Parnell told us to push did something cool

has to fight off several waves of drones without using skills

[covert hull]

Don't forget the ones that stalk you in DC.

[ashen jungle]

Those do not drop anything specific, and are not part of the "Mask Wall" Hunters.

[sick lantern]

so, due to recent events some of us have learned that the Pinkertons still exist
mildly interesting: their corporate HQ is in Ann Arbor

Pinkertons in Div 3 confirmed

[delicate escarp]

Wouldnt surprise me if some Tusks are ex Pinkertons

[sick lantern]

shit I thought this was #off-topic-discussions lol

[delicate escarp]

lmfao

[raw yew]

I thought this was red dead redemption 😂

[haughty palm]

Well nice to know others are being more aware

[hardy oar]

Question - should the devs implement an exoskeleton in the game?

Equipped like a gear for more inventory space and for using a 3rd skill (i.e Turret Drone Shield in one build)

[hasty bear]

Nah, we'd have seen it already what with BT heavies carrying a minigun and unlimited ammo 😂

[covert hull]

Still wicked encounters with them.

[left galleon]

So a bit of a theory crafting but how messed up do you the west coast is? Like if the east coast is this bad with Div agents how bad do you think the west coast is without Div agents.

[raw yew]

I think they would have more problems with the weather and lack of supplies … just attributing to the drought and also most of it is a desert

[ashen jungle]

I think they meant more like, California west coast, not the desert nearby.

Without reading the EU stuff, I kinda thought it might've turned out better, with no BT attention the warring factions are a lot less dangerous.

[raw yew]

I think street gangs might be more popular there probably merging to become another version of hyenas or rikers clans into a larger group

[ashen jungle]

A big part of what made those groups so big in DC is BT funding their effort with supply drops.
Without those, a lot of them would've turned to infighting at the start. It's too late now, since with BT supplies they became self sufficient and no longer ever need them.

[undone badger]

Soo what are those Bois in the sewers.....i mean......they aren't reconised by isac

Theyre tank units Have a god damn chainsaw

I dont know what faction they are

Are they scavs or sum