division-universe

[ivory solar]

They were the easiest to kill in div1 since blowing up their tank guaranteed a kill. In div2 it only damages them

And I’m talking about the assault archetype

[scarlet canopy]

Does anyone else think keener was just bonkers and thinly veiling it behind his weird messiah complex to rebuild the world or is it a hot take

It seems like his story would've flowed better if it were just a revenge plot

[ivory solar]

Keener’s story is great

After all, keener did nothing wrong

[scarlet canopy]

He's a Leaner, meaner, keener machine

[scarlet canopy]

Oh God keener was basically an eco terrorist

[ivory solar]

But he never ACTUALLY nuked new york

[scarlet canopy]

He was about 1 minute from gassing it

[ivory solar]

Only castle clinton and the thingy we go to at the start of wony

Besides, nuking a city isn’t wrong if you do it for the right reasons

[raw yew]

I viewed Keener as a mini someone from history not so long ago

[sick lantern]

he wasn't really doing it for the right reasons though

[raw yew]

Emeline and him are just pricks with their whole “guilty by association” thing

[scarlet canopy]

Yeah the story beats in this game are pretty generic

[sick lantern]

that's more of Bliss' thing

[raw yew]

Keeners story wasn’t bad I’m just saying he’s that big a douchebag

Bliss seemed more of a guy from a very cold place sending people off to black sites

[scarlet canopy]

Aye it's a milquetoast plot which isn't bad

[raw yew]

Nobody tops Larae Barrett for me… SHE NEEDED WORSE

[ivory solar]

Calling keener a big douchebag? Wow I’m personally offended…

[sick lantern]

idk man look at the LMB's flag and then compare it to a certain misappropriated symbol

[scarlet canopy]

What I found funny and commented on earlier, is that basically keener was about to launch a missile at new York which would've killed rogue agents in the area

[raw yew]

Oh you’re right

I was thinking it was a coat of arms

[sick lantern]

all the ones who were with him were dead, and anyone who isn't with him isn't really someone he cares about

[ivory solar]

Keener cares about himself the most

He doesn’t even care about his lieutenants

[scarlet canopy]

Actually that makes sense, that would explain why he basically threw the network - and by extension his successors - under the bus by handing over his rogue watch to the player

He's just that selfish and nihilistic

[raw yew]

Dragov to me didn’t even make sense 🥲

Rikers hate division agents and police… Dragov was both…

Dragov leads rikers - Dragov friend with rogue division agent

[ivory solar]

Dragon was manipulated and forced to work for him by keener, but as we all know keener did nothing wrong

[sick lantern]

something something Vin Diesel family

[ivory solar]

Rikers liked dragov for two reasons: one he freed them from rikers island.
Two: he also hates the government

[raw yew]

Oh he was the one who freed them?

[scarlet canopy]

How did the cleaners manage to outlast the lmb anyway, do they somehow have a better logistical infrastructure?

[raw yew]

So does Rhodes…

[sick lantern]

supposedly (they retcon it in Div 2 to say he did)

[raw yew]

What a narc

[scarlet canopy]

Right lmao

So much for going undercover

[raw yew]

That mass grave where we find Rhodes creeped me out ngl

[ivory solar]

I don’t know what you mean by that. Just because rhodes hates the government doesn’t mean that the rikers should like them. He is literally working with the government to restore the city, which involves killing rikers

[raw yew]

No I’m saying Rhodes hates the government but is nothing like Dragov 🥲

He just sticks it to whoever he doesn’t like and tells them he doesn’t like them

[ivory solar]

Dragov turned on the government

Rhodes went back to them

[scarlet canopy]

Anyone know

[sick lantern]

in the WoNY animated trailer it's shown that some LMB have joined the JTF/Peacekeepers||🙄||, plus some LMB have been absorbed into the Black Tusk/White Tusk, so in terms of ideals, once Bliss was dead, I guess the LMB's dissolved faster
then again, Extremis Malis shows that there are still some LMB left in NYC who are hostile, and that's like a month or two before Div 2 happens?

[raw yew]

Did something happen at the end of division that made Rhodes leave? There was some shit show in midtown he refers to

[ivory solar]

They both fell

Lmb were incorporated into black tusk

[scarlet canopy]

Thx that makes sense

[ivory solar]

We know they both fell due west side piers

Cleaners found conley and regained strength

[raw yew]

Conley also seems like a narc

But more Vin Diesel I never narced on nobody style

[scarlet canopy]

I wonder how the cleaners are able to requisition supplies or suppliers without burning them on sight

[ivory solar]

It happens during a time we don’t see. The hell’s kitchen settlement had rikers break in, which also killed lau’s sister. Division and jtf couldn’t defend the site

[sick lantern]

The JTF abandon the Post Office because reasons (apparently one of the manhunt sub target rogues bombed the generators, which I guess fucked up the whole building through a chain reaction?)
and then yes, Rhodes mentions the fuckup in Hell's Kitchen too

even though there isn't a major settlement or outpost there

[ivory solar]

Not in div1

[raw yew]

I spent days on that generator!

[ivory solar]

It was likely built after the game

[sick lantern]

and the JTF could have relocated to the presumably still perfectly fine Camp Hudson, Camp Clinton, or the UN compound even

[ivory solar]

Those are already full of sick people

[raw yew]

Sounds like Keener or the cleaners to me

[ivory solar]

You need a place where they can plan operations without infected people annoying them

[raw yew]

Staten Island

[raw yew]

Is this in a wiki ?

I’d like to read up more if there’s a source, seems interesting

[sick lantern]

it's never stated beyond a vague mention of a bombing, why the JTF left the post office

[raw yew]

Oh I see, is that in division 2?

[sick lantern]

yea, one of the rogue agents who's a manhunt target but not the main one

[raw yew]

Was hoping to have more use out of Roy Benitez in WONY tbh

[sick lantern]

it's like one line of text

[raw yew]

U know which manhunt? I’ve only played all the ones passed Lau

[sick lantern]

JTF in Hell's Kitchen: (panicking) "midtown is screwed, the JTF is done, we're leaving-"
JTF in Camp Hudson who have been idle since launch day: "I sleep"

[sick lantern]

not rn sorry

[raw yew]

Oh alright thanks tho

[sick lantern]

nvm I found it
https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Chadwick_"Neptune"_Brandon_III

[raw yew]

I think I remember this, Rikers were harassing the settlement… didn’t enter the endgame phase of division 1

[sick lantern]

if they had said Clinton instead it would make more sense
the safe house there is much larger, could perhaps be converted to a full settlement, and it's closer to Rikers territory

[scarlet canopy]

What post end game stuff makes rikers threatening in div1, do they steal a tank or something

[sick lantern]

Rikers are the only faction in Div 1 to have two Incursions to their name
In one, they attack the LMB's SAM site, and use it to shoot down an SHD Osprey and steal the Division gear within (Clear Sky)
in the other, they attack a TV broadcast station which the JTF were bringing back online and use the gimmicks from the sets to torture JTF hostages (Stolen Signal)

[ivory solar]

It was in div2

Mentioned like a thousand times if you find the comms in wony

[ivory solar]

As I said, the settlement in hell’s kitchen only became a thing after div1. And territory doesn’t matter, it shifted between div1 and div2

[sick lantern]

I'm just saying it would click more naturally if this so called settlement was based off something that was actually there in Div 1 instead of just imagining that they built a new settlement in some building

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ivory solar]

Think you’re confusing camp clinton with camp hudson here. Clinton was the one at wsp, hudson was the hub at the start of the game. Hudson is also MUCH larger than camp clinton

[sick lantern]

I mean the district of Clinton, the JTF safe house there was in a high school, which one would think has enough space and whatnot to be made into the basis for a settlement

[ivory solar]

Well now that I know what you meant, I’m gonna say this anyways:
Also as I said, camp hudson had a bunch of civilians running around. Not a good place to had even more jtf and division agents to plan ops when the camp is already full

I originally typed that when I thought you meant camp hudson

[ashen jungle]

@empty estuary You're looking for #td2-build-advice, this channel is specifically to discuss lore.

[old crypt]

Is dead The Division Heartland? We didn't have a new information from last September...

[unreal widget]

Iirc there was a tweet about how it was added on Steam or something, I think. So no, definitely not dead. 🙂

[old crypt]

Where? I didn't find nothing...

[unreal widget]

Ok, got it wrong, it wasn't the one which has been added to Steam but apparently there has been a leak where they announced upcoming Ubisoft games and Heartland was on that list. 🙃

[old crypt]

ok 🙂

[scarlet canopy]

What's some of the funniest lore, echos, or transmissions in the division framchise?

[raw yew]

I find the Langley reports to be funny

There’s also the cistern comm

The echo where BTSU is found near White House is also pretty funny

[sick lantern]

I found them to be more embarrassing than anything

[raw yew]

General Green tho

[sick lantern]

case in point

[frail coyote]

running all my alts though the campaign to remove the "boosted" status from the main menu, really hate how they decided to end Keener's story

just listening to the comms left both in DC, and the ones in NYC with him and that family, he was a complex multilayered character with loads of potential and they decided screw it machiavellian ending it is

[raw yew]

Is it the same family as in the echo being attacked by rikers

[frail coyote]

lol don't get me started on that echo, prior to Coney Island I had this big head cannon that the reason he kept his face hidden in Div1 was because when they tossed that molotov into the house is scorched a large portion of his face.

[raw yew]

Lol I was expecting more of a he’s gonna play double agent

They hid his voice, and his face

[frail coyote]

also weird how he helped April Kelleher

overall just a lazy end to a greatly built character with poor execution

I mean... they could go another route

Theo showed that there was an exploit to change the database, sure Rhodes fixed the exploit but doesn't mean it was the first time the exploit was used, we could have killed off some random nobody first wave agent who had been loyal to Keener to the point of taking his place

[ivory solar]

You could see his face through his id card in div 1 but it is low quality

[frail coyote]

you see the face of someone on Aaron Keener's SHD ID, which we know the database can be compromised

[ivory solar]

And it’s sad they made us kill keener. He was a fan favorite character, but we get nothing about him or the rogue agents after his death. Sure we had seasons 1-4 but they don’t really even talk about important things such as the rogue agent network. By now we can assume we killed everyone who knows about it

Seasons 1-4 just felt like filler content. It would be the same, rogues or not

Well other than lau in season 4 but everything else was just boring

[ivory solar]

I doubt he would have found that out way back in div1

And it looks just like he does in warlords

[raw yew]

That and how He could have helped noble squad… seeing as how he found her right after she was freed by Doug

[sick lantern]

there was some days/weeks between those times actually

Keener probably wasn’t a rogue when Noble Squad died

[raw yew]

Got the final comm for the season 10 manhunt… if they hook up Anderson with Natalya that will be so weird 😂

[frail coyote]

would make sense, she's a very domineering woman, and he seems to be a ... complete yes man pushover

there is a more accurate word for Anderson, but pretty sure its censored

[raw yew]

Parnell had potential. I now realize his dialogue wasn’t just him being paranoid and distrusting for him being a rogue. He should have been arrested in WONY … his dialogue about institutional corruption all the way to the top could have tied in with McMannus

The kill warrant seems to be the Divisions go to

Not to sound impractical but I think they only arrest people who have influence over the organization

[sleek plover]

Guys listen

Division

but in detroit

[glad spruce]

IMO, Keener was an egotistical manchild and high on his darwinism that putting a bullet on his head was too merciful.

[raw yew]

There’s some irony in the belief (on Keeners part)

When left to fend for himself his brain got scrambled

[frail coyote]

do want to point out that 90% of people here if put in the same situation as the first wave agents in NYC, we would most likely be rogues. Really ask yourself if your options were to stay behind and die so a bunch of people you really didn't know who were happy to leave you to cover their ass, would you stay and die and or be locked inside the darkzone?

[sick lantern]

here we go again

no one was told to stay behind, they were told they were all pulling out

if the options were "try to carry on the mission despite a large setback" or "screw everyone and become a rogue warlord only looking out for themself" I know which one I'd pick

[frail coyote]

no one was told specifically to stay behind, however how ISAC is programmed if the user does something its aligns with against the directive they will get flagged as rogue, also not all rogues are lunatics like Keener, Hornet, etc. if you look at the merchants in the DZ checkpoints in div 1, I forget which one but one of them is canonically rogue, with red rings

[sick lantern]

they still went rogue for real by continuing to be bellends, but again, no person did them any wrong
the arbitrary ISAC rogue declaration is a cruddy writing plothole anyway, Keener was shown in Div 1 to have walked out of the DZ not as a rogue

[frail coyote]

and it was shown 3 months after the outbreak that there was already software to make it appear that you weren't rogue

[sick lantern]

which he just cooked up in a week or two's time

[frail coyote]

nope, just point out how flawed a system ISAC actually is, I mean at this point we either need a full rule book of how ISAC works to make any sense of it, or were always going to have questions about how X or Y works

also the number of techs that can actually work with it seem heavily limited, the fact ANNA is still working and hasn't been shutdown by Rhodes is laughable

[sick lantern]

bit of a non-sequitur

surely, with the JTF ordering them to pull out, ISAC shouldn't mark people as rogue for doing so
whatever was up with Div 2's hatefest for ISAC in the writing, I'm glad it seems to be over now

[frail coyote]

the JTF aren't an authorized body, its a coalition of different localized authorities, ISAC's orders are directly linked to the only commanding authority for the division which is the president, a person who at the times was working for the black tusk, so essentially crippling the Division in one fell swoop would be a good tactic

[sick lantern]

but the JTF are authorised, because the SHD are intended to be able to insert themselves into the command structure of any agency
fact is they had to portray ISAC as completely out of touch with reality to come up with a bogus tragic villain backstory for Keener and etc

doesn't make sense for agents who are trained to be highly autonomous, to be governed by a completely binary AI that can't understand context

[frail coyote]

ISAC is out of touch with reality and rigid, fact of the matter is in Broken Dawn, Agent Diaz was worried about being flagged as rogue if he didn't stop what he was doing and defend a couple civilians. If we take that literal any time we allow a public execution to happen and know about it in game we would be flagged as rogue

[sick lantern]

but in the instance of Div 2's DZ retreat scenario, the first wave had a perfectly good reason to not defend civilians, because they were following orders from the federal agency they were assisting and living to fight another day
and if ISAC can't understand that context, then ISAC isn't fit for purpose and its word shouldn't be taken in such cases, and knowing this, with Keener and etc. being flagged as rogue by error, then they could have tried to carry on with the mission instead of crying "I've been flagged rogue, now I must become an evil murderer woe is me"

it all rests on ISAC being massively incompetent in select cases, for zero good reason

[raw yew]

Agent Diaz?

[frail coyote]

Aurelio Diaz

[raw yew]

Not sure I remember them

[raw yew]

I do wanna say tho that division agents have executive authority over any federal agent and local law enforcement. So I don’t necessarily think ISAC prompting an agent as rogue is what makes them rogue, I think they have to go off mission entirely by violating what it is they are meant for. Division 1 intro says they have no rules but I think that’s more of where they can be applied and to whom. For this reason I think that’s why Ellis isn’t just someone they can blindly follow since he worked with black tusk and since his mission takes place after wyvern I believe demonstrates that black tusk is not capable of acting as the division .

For instance when Manny finds out about a Ellis, Kelso didn’t care for him. I’d like to think the main reason she supported the idea was because manny suggested they would need him to access secure locations.

I Mean they still have access to their skills and ISAC so I just find it to be a differentiation to say you’re no longer following protocol, not that you’re no longer a division agent

[ashen jungle]

@mossy shard As you've been told, this is the lore channel. Keep it on topic.

[mossy shard]

i think ur like 12 hours late but roger roger

[winter river]

I have a question I just got division 2 I made it to lvl 30. Is it normal for there to be a different gear score than lvl 30 next to my items in the back pack?

[late void]

Yes, but only at level 30. If you start the warlords dlc and get higher leveled gear it will go back to just saying the level.

[sick lantern]

😐

[upbeat timber]

I just want to play heartland, meh 😒

[floral ivy]

Hopefully we'll get Heartlands by spring/summer

[lean socket]

Do you guys think that the LMB was just renamed as black tusk?

[ashen jungle]

They're different groups entirely.
LMB were effectively disbanded after the events of Div1, most of them joining other factions. A significant portion of them did actually join Black Tusk.

[lean socket]

What to they represent the black tusks and the LMBs?

[ashen jungle]

They're both PMC's (Private Military Contractors), LMB chose to break their contract and technically commit warcrimes back in div1, Black Tusk are another matter. They tried more for a "world domination" aspect.

[lean socket]

I was thinking they kind of far right faction

[ashen jungle]

The div franchise somewhat stays away from "left" and "right" politics, even the True Sons faction aren't inherently that, despite their name invoking certain hate groups.

I guess after the world ends, it matters more that you survive.

[potent halo]

neither faction have a political leaning, they are guns for hire, they are paid to kill and thats what they do, LMB just went on their own and made a lil kingdom in NYC, its pretty clear the LMB only cared for power.

[lean socket]

Seems like it

[raw yew]

I think the true sons without General Ridgeway and Colonel Morozova had potential to not be a bunch of war criminals… ridgeway basically gave way to take what is yours and kill them if they don’t comply

[fringe gale]

hmmmmmmm, i mean with people like Lewis and his beliefs, if Ridgeway himself wasn't a guy hellbent on letting the infected rot, the True Sons for sure would have turned out alright.

if Lewis was able to knab enough guys to mutiny, it might just be a sort of "Yeah it's fucked but I've got nowhere else to go" situation

[raw yew]

looking at the guys under Lewis' command or the ones that were minor targets for his manhunt, they were a bunch of nerds consumed by vengeance. They're no different than the outcasts and believe torture is the only way to get results

[raw yew]

i think most of the ones flagged by jtf needed a pack mentality type of environment to survive

[short patio]

Hmmm

[fringe gale]

oh yeah fair point

[late void]

also that whole mutiny thing is set after Ridgeway's been killed and Anderson has taken over, judging by his character as shown in that final cutscene, I can see why many true sons wouldn't get behind his leadership

[raw yew]

Also just to say, I don’t think Lewis condoned their behavior, I just think he got stuck with a bunch of pricks

Sgt Daniels or whoever asked Anderson for advanced interrogation techniques deserved far more than what they got if they tortured people

With them eliminated he was able to scramble a few True Sons to attempt a mutiny as Kettle said but I don’t think it was possible for him to make one on one discussion with other officers or lower rank by meeting at some black site with eyes on him especially if that team was in still in play

[fringe gale]

he seems very chickenshit for a paramilitary leader

cutting a deal with BT instantly, I can see more infighting in the future

cause some of the remaining dudes probably have that sort of "We can handle shit by ourselves, we don't need no fancy gear" attitude

[raw yew]

He had that attitude last season

I don’t think it’s the character, I think it’s Ubisoft doing that for plot

It’s inconsistent how does he go from serious, disciplined, respected General to chickenshit downplayed “wait I should follow my own security team”

“I need extraction but have no bargaining chips”?

[fringe gale]

yeah i never understood why he just begged for extraction with nothing to offer

natalia could have easily just laid him out on the spot

[raw yew]

Schaffer even respected the General and desired his help which meant he had something they wanted, which I’d guess is the manpower in dc

[mint citrus]

Anderson in Lore sounded formidable and no-nonsense

Then we hunt him and it's like

Welp

[thick knoll]

looking for locations for heartland

in the cutscene where you turn the SHD network back on nationwide in the division 2 it gives a map of all the remote nodes in the US

I dont have perms to post images here but I can upload it to imgur real quick

https://imgur.com/a/FnpXN32

[charred flint]

from the recent trailers, i think they are going for a setting more than a exact location, i dont think it will be based of a IRL location in the same way as div2, or they would have just straight up said where they are modeling silver creek after

[scarlet canopy]

Is there any lore on the ambusher Faction?

[sick lantern]

they’re a case of urbex gone horribly wrong

[gaunt ice]

Uber Y

instead of sending you in the X direction they send you in the Y direction,specifically -6 feet in the Y direction

free of charge of course

[cursive tapir]

I think they just…wouldn’t exist, in that case. They’d still be part of the JTF

The main difference between the JTF and the True Sons is that the Sons are aggressive social darwinists who think you only deserve what you can take by force. If you take out that ideology, the faction doesn’t exist anymore

Eh, we’ve had enough cold stern badasses with Ridgeway, Schaefer, Lewis, etc. I’m fine with Anderson folding like wet tissue paper at suddenly having to face consequences. It’s easy to keep up a hard ass demeanor when the chips are up

Seeing as we’ve had a lot of True Sons join us (the classified inmate, the aerospace rocketeer, Lewis’s men, etc) it would be cool to see, in a future game, some sort of deradicalize/recruitment mechanic. Like maybe, if you approach a patrolling enemy group, ISAC gives you a probability for violence, and you can choose to go in peacefully.

Would help build up Division agents as having skills beyond just being good shooters, like medics and firefighters etc - crisis deescalators.

I feel like I remember Odessa Sawyer trying to get some Hyenas unhooked from spice too. Food for thought

[ivory solar]

Exactly. They wouldn’t exist without ridgeway. He’s the whole reason a bunch of people decided to follow their general and become the true sons. Now he is also at least partially responsible for the outcasts since they were treated so badly by who would become the true sons

[raw yew]

I think it’s more than that tbh… sure Ridgeway gave way to the birth of the true sons… but I’d mentioned that the ones who followed him initially had to have done something bad to get into conflict with JTF that would otherwise have them arrested, either for “just following orders” or being complacent by carrying out heinous acts …

The ones afterwards were probably threatened or left no other choice but to join (civilians)

[ivory solar]

Alright we all know how keener did nothing wrong correct? I don’t care if you say he did do something wrong because did make a mistake. I still have not come to accept this mistake. Aaron keener, call sign vanguard, made one mistake. That mistake was to die on liberty island

[charred flint]

his biggest mistake was not knowing a full hazard set with pfe and a scorpio would not care about anything he was about to do in that fight 😛

[tawdry notch]

Is there any story to the summit? More importantly, why D.C. factions are there any White Tusk w/ Hunters

[ashen jungle]

No real story, just an endless "rogue-lite dungeon" of sorts.

[tawdry notch]

There has to be? This series has too good of a lore not too have a story for it

[raw yew]

Well the summit floor 100 is probably the most important floor

[languid wing]

Aaa yes floor 100 ads then depending on your group size is the amount of hunters you face

So if you have 4 agents 5 hunters will spawn its always plus 1

[ashen jungle]

I believe they're referring to the crashed satellite on the roof after the actual Hunter area.

[potent halo]

A serious high five all around to the crew who build the tower

It tanked a crashing satellite and still standing

[sick lantern]

one might think lmao
however not this time

what got deleted there i didn’t swear 😭

is it the “die” in “diegetic”

no

ohhh sky scraper

anyway
the extent of Summit being referenced in universe is one voice line which explains nothing

[tawny frost]

Wait sky scraper gets automodded?

lol what

[late void]

Yeah it's due to a particular three letter acronym in the middle, catches people out quite often.

[tawny frost]

Ooooh i see, fair enough

[glad spruce]

I dunno, considering his whole darwinian viewpoint and wanting power, I'd say Keener was a megalomaniacal despot with delusions of grandeur

[sleek plover]

Keener is a might-makes-right fetishist, he is wrong.

Emeline Shaw did nothing wrong.
Hot take

[deep marten]

...what?

[sick lantern]

it’s a joke kinda don’t mind him

[sleek plover]

Ambush are those who ambush

the ones who are ambushed by the ambushers

who are those who ambush the ones who are ambushed by the ambushers who are those who ambush the ones who are ambushed by the ambushers who are those who ambush the ones who...

[hybrid oasis]

I recently bought the recruited division book im on chapter 4 rn so far so good

[scarlet canopy]

agreed, I made a point that keener did a lot of impulsive and poorly thought out idiotic moves

guy is basically a self righteous nihilist

willing to destroy his own network that wanted to continue his "legacy" and actively did so in his death lmao

[sick lantern]

he turned it on when he died tho?

[scarlet canopy]

He almost launched a missile at his own agents lmao also he only activated it after he was right in front of his enemies so they could be tipped off of its existence

Guy's a khorne wannabe

[sick lantern]

he didn’t give a shit about the agents, never did
and surely we were going to find out about ANNA anyway by analysing his watch so might as well gloat a little

[drowsy fable]

ubisoft servers are disconnected?

[sick lantern]

this is the lore channel

[cosmic barn]

can someone who is in the know, give me tldr on the role of the hunters? in division lore

[drowsy fable]

so?

[sick lantern]

so talk about lore not tech issues

pretty simple

[raw yew]

Well they’re connected to the homeland security guy McMannus and he runs a hunter program. He’s aligned himself with black tusk, that explains why they’re able to hack our tech, keener was able to do it because he reprogrammed his watch with a new AI called A.N.N.A

When you got the watch ISAC overwrote his system onto hers

[drowsy fable]

Are you a moderator?

[sick lantern]

are you blind?

[raw yew]

No people just don’t want garbage in the wrong channels

Defeats the purpose of the channel

[dark venture]

^

[drowsy fable]

Seems you are not so minding your own bussiness

[sick lantern]

seems that you’re not minding anything related to common sense

[unreal widget]

ENOUGH!

[drowsy fable]

I just asked if servers are disconnected only one simple things by question no big deal

[raw yew]

They’re under maintenance

[drowsy fable]

See it wasn't that hard thanks

[unreal widget]

For the next time you have a question: Read the channel names and post the message in the correct channel, please.

As there's a chance you won't get an answer in the wrong channel and because we'd like the channels used to be for the assigned purpose.

[drowsy fable]

Sure however I did that I know the names of the channels but I needed to know sorry for interrupt

I didn't get answer even in the right channel

[unreal widget]

Sometimes you just have to be patient and wait for an answer.

[cosmic barn]

but what are the hunters used for? i know that they kill off agents but what are the reasons behind that? knowing too much or taking actions that dont benefit certain people

[unreal widget]

And now back to lore, please.

[drowsy fable]

Sure I'm sorry ma'am

[sick lantern]

we don’t entirely know

[raw yew]

I think of them as a third wave type of thing. There’s been discussions about it in the past here but personally think they’re a private army of McManus I mean why else does he have interest in black tusk and they kill Shd agents

Division interferes with black tusk on the regular, wiped out their whole special unit

[cosmic barn]

[hybrid oasis]

I hope we get a future manhunt on McManus with each target being a unique hunter

would be interesting

[late void]

I suspect the hunter program was originally planned and implemented alongside the Division program as a sort of fail-safe in case it went wrong (to deal with rogue agents and the like), but was later subverted by McManus and BT as part of their power grab plans.

[scarlet canopy]

I know, the irony is he probably couldn't care less about the people trying to continue his "legacy" when he would've just as quickly offed them. That's why he's now a rotting corpse on an island. He never harbored any loyalty or meaningful cause , only a network of thugs

[sick lantern]

well that’s Div 2 writing for ya

[scarlet canopy]

Just as trashy as the first one lmao yeah

[sick lantern]

Div 1 wasn’t a walking mess of retcons, contradictions and outright dumb ideas

[scarlet canopy]

It had its share of dumb ideas though, like the entire existence of the cleaners

To an extent the hunters but they're deliberately elusive

[sick lantern]

...wut

[raw yew]

First one was good but they killed off the bosses for each faction way too early and never gave more of a story to Amherst

Show more than echos, show more found footage

[sick lantern]

eh his “arc” was wrapped up nicely, passing the villain torch on to Keener, giving a good motive and showing he’s not a hypocrite with a message from beyond the grave, more with Amherst would’ve detracted from the rest of what was already there

[raw yew]

I was confused by that echo

How’d Amherst die again

The virus right

The cleaners were fun to fight, they posed an actual threat in div 1

But their story ended too quickly

I haven’t played the world tiers so idk what’s in there, needs a season pass

[scarlet canopy]

The lore of this game is bizarrely bad lol

[sick lantern]

yes

[raw yew]

It’s not it’s just a lot of open ends left to interpretation which is what makes it bad

It’s like the ending to black ops 3 campaign lol

[scarlet canopy]

Rip

[gaunt ice]

Div1 is not that bad

[lean socket]

Did you guys know that division like agents exist in israel?

Nobody know who they are till they find you

[upbeat timber]

Agents exist all around the world, we don’t know it till we know.

It’s like almost never, unless you are one. Or they have something to do with you.

[ivory solar]

They exist solely in the United States

They are a federal agency

So they’re domestic

Now if they were CIA then yeah the SHD could be deployed to areas outside the US

Problem is the Division is full of sleeper agents so they can quickly react to situations and integrate themselves into a new lifestyle

Which isn’t the CIA

[lunar harbor]

^

They operate under the President - along with the DoHS

[ivory solar]

Plus they are literally built for operating in the US. By that I mean they have cores in the US a that can reach across the entire country. They’d need to establish multiple cores around the entire world if they were to even operate globally which would be expensive. At that point they’re just team Rainbow with some differences

From the other Tom Clancy franchises

[raw yew]

Aren’t they an entirely separate entity.. strategic homeland division

[ivory solar]

The Strategic Homeland Division is apart of the Department of Homeland Security but the SHD operate directly under POTUS

Fun fact the acronym for the Strategic Homeland Division is the acronym for the Department of Homeland Security but backwards

[lunar harbor]

That's not even what I was saying ...
Where do you get that from my sentence?

They are a seperate agency, yes - but authority wise, they fall under the DoHS/POTUS

[raw yew]

Oh I’d figured they were their own independent agency, as certain comms indicate certain high class members of the US government were involved in its decision making process like recruitment you have US army generals. It’s also been an idea thrown around that they’re autonomous and answer only to the president of the United States

[ivory solar]

Well that last sentence is true

They SHD is meant to act autonomously and answer directly to POTUS

Mentioned in many places

[raw yew]

I’d noticed that yea, the acronym but from what I noticed in division 1, the comms all law enforcement is to work with the division… also idk if you guys trust “fandom” the wiki website but that’s where I like to read up on stuff

[ivory solar]

But nowadays we’re just listening to Manny with seemingly no government left in place

And Manny works comms for the JTF

But if the government is still somewhat intact then McManus would be like in the top 20 for the line of succession for POTUS

[raw yew]

Yea, there was someone in the server a while back that mentioned that all the other line of succession were assassinated or killed (we can witness this with the secret service agents who killed Mendez then were killed by Schaffer)

I also find it convenient that homeland security now has a part to play only because of McMannus who wasn’t even known to Schaffer

Seems odd that someone is “authoritative” in the creation or functioning of the division but is creating his own private army and aligning with a paramilitary group who’s aligning with another paramilitary group to take out a government paramilitary group

[lunar harbor]

That's the thing with the Hunters - a lot can be theorized about them, but nothing's really been said about them either

[raw yew]

Yea I haven’t played survival so idk what their deal is in there but they just seem like some tech guy who got access to shd tech … but is preventing you from succeeding in your mission to secure a cure and potentially end the pandemic… seems more like “umbrella corporation” to me lol

[ivory solar]

They totally aren’t just some tech guy who’s really good at hacking into military grade tech

[raw yew]

But the Agent Edwards Support Mission is weird af… Edwards was hunted, your agent was “let go” after being taunted

[raw yew]

I was exaggerating

[ivory solar]

They were trained to kill Division agents

[lunar harbor]

It's difficult to connect some areas together - as yes, like you'd said, we'd have to explain their existence, and purpose in D1, alongside D2

[raw yew]

I liked the agent Edwards mission they really could build on that in the next season hopefully

[ivory solar]

Survival as a whole is just weird to me. There the Hunters struck fear into the hearts of the Division agents. Along with the atmosphere of Survival and the music they actually make you scared. Now they just go like “yeah we stronger than you so we scary”

[lunar harbor]

Not to mention the Hunter takedowns in D1

Like - goddamn

[raw yew]

I’ve seen the trailer for it… are you supposed to like be alone in a dark zone but it’s just you and hunters? And the elements?

Seems scary yes, realistic yes, random… totally 😂

[lunar harbor]

You'll be put into the match with other players

Also have the option of PVE and PVP

[ivory solar]

And speaking of that anomalous mission, even though I didn’t know what Hunters were I would go back to that location several times to see if something would happen. It was always scary being at that location with those ambient sounds, and it gets even scarier when you factor in the events that took place there. I never even knew that guy there was a Hunter, I thought it was Aaron Keener

[raw yew]

Has there been a confirmation as to how long the events of division 2 story, world tiers, WONY, expedition, raids, and all independent seasons take place?

[lunar harbor]

But anyways - yeah, the Hunters used to carry a lot of mystery and weight in D1; now, they're more of a I call this a difficulty tweak!

[raw yew]

Had to be several months at least

Also was Morozova the leader after ridgeway , then when she was killed it became Anderson or Anderson was default after Ridgeway and she was Anderson’s second in command ?

[ivory solar]

The Hunters only appear at extraction and occasionally in the DZ your HUD will stutter, adding to your fear. It would really stutter if you went near extraction sites, and when the Hunter finally came the special music there along with many other factors just made you the most scared person alive at that moment

[raw yew]

Oh for sure I too didn’t know it was a hunter, considering Manny didn’t even acknowledge what happened other than Edwards telemetry data

[lunar harbor]

Don't believe Morozova was in line for the leadership of the True Sons - simply wanted to make the White House go boom

[raw yew]

That mission creeped me out, as did the Pentagon mission with the music

Coney Island too

[lunar harbor]

The Site 13 mission was a vibe

Loved its environment

[raw yew]

Is that div 1?

[lunar harbor]

The Classified Mission

D2

[raw yew]

Oh I’ve yet to do them

[ivory solar]

Can’t forget about the several agents with an axe holding them pinned to a wall in the DZ

[lunar harbor]

Totally go for it - there's an audio clip in there regarding Amherst as well

[raw yew]

Oh, I remember buying the year 1 pass but it’s not on my account strangely enough

Gonna have to rebuy it

[lunar harbor]

Hunters in D1 were executed so much better

[raw yew]

The axe thing I find funny at cause he does so much damage 😂

Reminds me of the hostel movies or Texas chainsaw massacre

[raw yew]

Is this D1 btw?

[lunar harbor]

Yepperoni

[ivory solar]

Survival

I consider Hunters in Resistance and Underground to be non canon

[lunar harbor]

They exist there as Difficulty Tweaks

100%

[raw yew]

Div 1 rikers tanks are hard enough to fight I can’t imagine the hunters

[ivory solar]

Exactly

Hunters there were easy to kill

They had no armor, just health like you

[raw yew]

The Barret mission was a pain bruv

[lunar harbor]

Hunters are easy to kill from a distance - but a distance that they rapidly close on you

[ivory solar]

But they dealt much more mission compared to any enemy in that game, and in that game you were tanky

[raw yew]

Div 1 ? Do you guys prefer the no armor bar? I hated that med kits only did like 1/4 heals

This one cleaners mission where u find samples of the green poison had me stuck for hours

[lunar harbor]

Personal preference for me is D1 - mostly for it's setting and environmental storytelling

[ivory solar]

Hunters in div1 could be killed in 2 mags while playing Survival but they could kill you in half that time

For me about everything on div2 is better

The one thing it doesn’t have is the snow

[raw yew]

Nyc in div 1 is perfect

I actually feel like I’m walking the city

[lunar harbor]

Ah, that reminds me:

What're your opinions on the theory that the LMB makes up a major portion of the "White" Tusk

[ivory solar]

Even atmosphere is better because I played div2 first. I was used to how alive it felt. In div1 it’s dead but that’s good because it fits in with the lore. In div2 society is rebuilding while in div1 society collapsed weeks ago

[raw yew]

Shame they made Bryant park the dark zone 😂

[raw yew]

Was there anything on LMB after the United Nations mission?

I liked fighting them

[ivory solar]

White Tusk are Black tusk but they’re a division trained specifically to kill SHD agents since they were used to them from when they fought in NY

[raw yew]

Is there a source on that (not contradicting you just wanna read up on it)

[lunar harbor]

Yep -

Incursion:
Falcon Lost

Piers area - though it's definitely a bit odd, lore wise

[ivory solar]

So basically Black Tusk Hunters

[lunar harbor]

Interesting

[raw yew]

Are incursions missions? Or are they like countdown

[ivory solar]

Source: just trust me bro. But seriously I’ve heard this around the community and it makes sense

[lunar harbor]

Incursions are essentially longer missions - though people say that they resemble raids, I disagree.

The only Incursion I would regard as a Raid is Stolen Signal

[raw yew]

Were there raids like what we have in div 2? Apart from said incursions?

[ivory solar]

Nope

@lunar harbor I typed this in the other server when we were talking about Hunters
And we have to mention that test with Bonney at some point. He was the last remaining member of the BTSU to be killed by the sheriff. It didn’t even seem like he was to become a Hunter. He literally had a whole army along with a quadcopter to support him

And some have said the sheriff is the one actually being tested and I liked that theory originally but after some thinking while typing the message above I kinda don’t like it. Like our agent also doesn’t act like a Hunter. We go in guns blazing and kill every last person

We simply don’t discriminate

Hunters just show up at extraction and decide to kill us and only us

And it is always whenever we are trying to extract from someplace

[raw yew]

What the hell happened to the Black Tusk Commanding Officer anyways? He’s the one who first introduced this Bonney guy

[ivory solar]

And if their only goal was to kill all agents affiliated with the SHD in any way then the recruiter would’ve killed us, better yet the Edwards Hunter would’ve killed the sheriff

Schaeffer?

We captured him and he’s in a coma

[raw yew]

I kill coyote without mercy bruv

No Schaffers boss who tasked him with organizing the BTSU… the one he’s having coffee with… the one Ellis is in contact with thinking he’s the ceo of black tusk

We never heard from him after world tier 1

[ivory solar]

Oh well that’s their mysterious investors who we know nothing about

They’re the ones who hired the Black Tusk

[raw yew]

The investor is Sokolova 🥲

Isn’t it?

[ivory solar]

Sokolova leads the Black Tusk

Remember BT is a PMC, they were brought into this situation for a reason with that reason being because someone paid them to

[raw yew]

I’ll relisten to the comms and get back to you, but he is introduced in the comms and echos as black tusk commanding officer,

The woman who Ellis talks on the phone with is Sokolova… though she’s not identified I just matched the voice

[ivory solar]

LMB were like Keener and thought the government wasn’t doing enough to save everyone so they disregarded their contracts

[raw yew]

He’s meeting with said BT commanding officer but Sokolova is acting like a messenger / secretary so you might be right…

Also calls him back to dc when the Division are ruining his plans

[ivory solar]

Sokolova is the highest ranking member in BT that we know of because she is the highest ranking member. Everything goes straight up to her

[tepid crescent]

The famous "praetorian guard to pave the way to a New order" isn't it ?

[ivory solar]

Well yeah ultimately if the Black Tusk does seize control of the US and establish a new government it will likely be whoever hired them ruling, not Sokolova or anyone else

[raw yew]

Manny for president

They’d probably kill him first

[ivory solar]

Manny for president? How were we so blind all this time? He’s the one who hired BT so they can take control of the United States so he can become president…

[raw yew]

That might not actually be wrong lol

Jk Manny is loyal

[ivory solar]

I mean if you dig deep enough and make excuses that benefit you then you can prove anything to be true

[sleek plover]

They are aurthoritarians, they must be excised.

[ashen jungle]

Okay now.

[sick lantern]

100%, the armour bar is so jank

[sick lantern]

there’s a group of them getting supplied by the black tusk in one of the comics

like 5-6 months after div 1?

[raven zephyr]

Anyone got some uber good video about full lore?

[cosmic barn]

Check out NGN on youtube

[sick lantern]

tbh don’t watch his Full Story videos they’re not terribly detailed

[raw yew]

U saying you don’t like the armor bar in div 2 or u wish it was in div 1?

[sick lantern]

don’t like it in div 2

[tawny frost]

Why? I think its fine

[sick lantern]

I prefer the gameplay in the first one

anyway this isn’t the place

[tepid crescent]

Coz it's just the target story united ?

[sick lantern]

more or less
he barely mentions the factions, their leaders etc. not even in passing iirc besides the black tusk
he said he’s working on a more detailed version but the current cut of that is over an hour/multiple hours long

[tepid crescent]

Indeed

[raven zephyr]

https://youtu.be/gv25EcYVfLs

Did you mean this vid?

[raw yew]

Remind me again, did we lose TChernenko at the Russian Consulate in division 1?

[cosmic barn]

Yes

[raw yew]

Just noticed Bliss is just Rhodes if he went bald and hungry instead of pessimistic 😂

[prisma magnet]

Hey I have a Lore question. Is your Division 2 Character the same as your Division 1 Character? And if not, is there an explanation as to what happens to your TD1 Character?

[sick lantern]

Not necessarily and no

[cosmic barn]

No and what happend to your div 1 character is up to you

[lunar harbor]

I believe(?) it's been previously stated - that what happens to the player's D1 Character(s), is up to the player to decide.

For example - my Agent is sipping Caramel Frappuccino's in a Safehouse somewhere

[ivory solar]

Yeah the devs said that we decide what happened to our div1 agent

[raw yew]

Did they ever mention where our div 2 agent started in (opening scene)?

[undone jackal]

It has been rumored but never really confirmed. If I even try to explain, I may screw up the places myself as I am not American. Some rumored that it was a settlement along the Potomac river just down of Washington DC, but again, never confirmed.

[raw yew]

Eh go for it lol I don’t mind if you are not correct I’d be happy to hear your theory / thoughts

[undone jackal]

Considering the beginning takes place near lake/river due to the last cutscene showing enemy boats, it's safe to assume we could be either on the shoreline or near the ocean. While the city is never mentioned, it could;

A: Be Atlantic city or Cape May, making sense if the Enemy would want to Invade and thus take us a few days on foot to reach DC to start the events of the Division 2.

B: Be in Quantico or somewhere near the Potomac river, where the Boats could still enter the shoreline by following the River, and is just a couple of hours on foot to Washington.

That's my theory, but it could be easily debunked by facts and such.

[ashen jungle]

Looking at the décor of the place, the generally accepted answer is "New England", so like Maine or thereabouts.

It's implied that you travelled some distance to get to DC, so that would make sense, or close enough.

[raw yew]

I’ve been wondering if it could be Maryland (Baltimore) to be more precise as that’s near the River. It’s also because the Agent shows up to DC at Arlington cemetery I presume

[undone jackal]

Also a very valid theory!

[balmy pebble]

Ok ladies and gentlemen i got a big question i've been wondering and i couldn't sleep because of it.

How would you guys feel if you were in the Hyenas Faction?

[undone jackal]

Anarchy baby!

[balmy pebble]

YESSIIIIIRR!!!!!

In other senses i would get myself a Hyena Baddie, do not ask me why.

There's just something about the Female Hyena members...

Alongside throatcutters and literal gangsters in the faction.

[raw yew]

I’d personally wanna be a True Son as their faction seems the most interesting and some of them have a moral compass not aligned with their compatriots. They’re the type of “not following orders for safety” as in Lewis and the sniper who helps us breach the Space Admin museum

But Hyenas themselves the council holds their members accountable and aren’t like the Rikers… if I were one I think it’s be a good place considering how Dime didn’t want people to die and wanted to protect what they had instead of run off

[balmy pebble]

Indeed!

[raw yew]

I’d suppose if you’re a hyena you wouldn’t care about taking from the weak and would think you’re just in Darwinian society

So in that sense you’d be very willing to survive and take, I think they have an honor code tho against certain crimes seeing as some of their members and leaders are women

[balmy pebble]

i just love their concept and not giving a f what the world thinks of them.

[raw yew]

Would certainly not want the Hyena rusher tho 😂

[balmy pebble]

TIME TO LEVEL UP!!

[balmy pebble]

'Kat but for real, i would love to be in the hyenas faction just to smash a Hyena baddie, gawd dayum... 💀

[mint citrus]

I am

Concerned

[sleek plover]

I mean, it would be fun to play as enemy generic.

My favorite faction is rioters btw

[gaunt ice]

Why is it that everytine i look at this chat there is some roleplay immersion bollocks here

[deep marten]

I got no clue dude

[haughty fable]

Can anyone clue me in on hunters just getting into the div2 and loved them in the first game

[tawny frost]

Lots of spoilers if you dont know the lore of division 2, you good with that?

[haughty fable]

Yeah I’ve just started wony so should be ok

[sick lantern]

Hunters work under Calvin McManus, the secretary of the DHS who is working with Natalya Sokolova

[tawny frost]

The hunters are a secret elite division of the black tusk, under the command of calvin mcmanus, trained specifically for eliminating SHD agents to make their takeover at the end of the main game easier, without revealing the organization itself.

[haughty fable]

Interesting ngl my theory was kinda right then

[tawny frost]

Equipped with SHD tech upgraded by black tusk tech

[haughty fable]

Ah ok yeah that’s really cool ngl looking forward to seeing them in wony

[sick lantern]

they’re not part of the black tusk, just working with them

[tawny frost]

They dont make any special appearences other than as regular open world hunters

[tawny frost]

They are black tusk, if youve played the latest few seasons youll see that

[ashen jungle]

Except for Coney Island AP, Summit, etc.

[tawny frost]

I was referring to the wony campaign

[sick lantern]

Members of the Hunters are undercover posing as Black Tusk members, they’re a separate entity
Sokolova runs the Black Tusk and McManus runs the Hunters

[ashen jungle]

Arguably all part of it, but understood.
Everything Hunter related post-WONY just irritates me anyway.

[haughty fable]

Can’t you collect masks from them ?

[tawny frost]

Open world hunters, same concept as the open world ones in DC

[haughty fable]

Ok thanks for the info

[tawny frost]

Pretty sure the hunter program is a black tusk thing

[sick lantern]

Bardon says it himself “that Hunter was working for Homeland?”

if Hunters are just more Black Tusk then it’s an added layer of unnecessary absurdity and stagnation

[tawny frost]

Yes, they were created by the DHS as a division failsafe, but joined in with the black tusk. Their gear is shd+bt and the more recent members are mainly BTSU operatives iirc

[sick lantern]

can we get a source for that first statement

actually to all of it

[tawny frost]

the only thing thats 100% is that they work with black tusk and are commanded by mcmanus

Rest is community speculation

[sick lantern]

that’s what I said...

[cosmic barn]

Lol

[raw yew]

May I ask why?

I personally don’t like the DHS connection myself

[ashen jungle]

Basically, I hate when lore goes too far past where it should've stopped.

"darkness there and nothing more". Imply things, but just a bullet-point list of everything ruins any intrigue.

Certain other games that I won't mention here do it too. It happens with most fiction after too long out in the wilds.

[raw yew]

I see, I like your point… it’s why I found the season 10 cutscene to be such bs cause they dragged on the true sons being a threat and flip flopped Anderson

Also the hunters being connected to an organization just makes me wonder what happened to directive 51 in the first place, like how did they manage to create an even more elite team that’s separate from the elite team under the nose of the SHD

[ashen jungle]

It calls a lot of things into question. Puzzle Hunters now make incredibly little sense, and those were a very big deal back when people started to find them.

[sick lantern]

did they ever make sense?

[hardy oar]

No but I think the next season will bring some answers. But honestly, this is far more complicated than it should be. Too much does not mean better.

[hardy oar]

Good question - when and why were Hunters created? Did they knew some agents would go rouge and the government wanted to "hunt" them or what was the cause?

[sick lantern]

So, Keener’s first recruit was Scarecrow, and he killed the other two members of their cell. I wonder who they were

[surreal hearth]

Black tusk operations are very shady getting every single technology they can find on other factions including conleys EMP

[hardy oar]

Finders keepers

[ashen jungle]

Black Tusk got most of their tech from raiding DARPA labs, or at least they did at one point. You can actually see early versions of our SHD tech in there too, including a giant drone that I would love to see during April fools.

[raw yew]

Haha there’s a comm for that too

[raw yew]

Are all decontamination zones - considered dark zones? Meaning agents go rogue and civilians and enemies alike just chill around dead bodies? It’s strange to me that majority of lower Manhattan is either quarantined with UV decontamination entrances or are sealed off yet places live Haven are right on the outskirts of it and the DCZ is infested with dead animals, human bodies and contaminated blood everywhere being consumed by birds…

Also the one you run through to get to Haven from city hall doesn’t have a checkpoint like in DC…

[undone jackal]

I would like to say a BS justification, but doesn't a virus decay overtime?

[raw yew]

Are you asking or are you stating

[undone jackal]

does both count?

[raw yew]

Well if I’m asking I shouldn’t be answering lol

[undone jackal]

I really don't want to sound like a smart ass... I really want to be helpful, but if civilians and Enemies alike go through DZs without a mask, I would assume first that the Virus there has decayed into oblivion, so it would be safe after a few months to pass through.

[raw yew]

Virus decaying wouldn’t have anything to do with dead bodies posing harm and contaminated blood being consumed by birds that are potentially shot and eat / hunted (this is just my theory tho)

I was associating it with the bubonic plague

[undone jackal]

I mean yeah there's still more diseases to count for but still, better than contracting a virus with 99% mortality rate over the first few days and then goes to become ineffective after a few weeks.

[raw yew]

Going back to what Manny said during the DCD mission “if they haven’t been disposing of the bodies properly we could have another outbreak on our hands” …

So yea you could be right,

But even sealed bodies (granted during division 1) made Rhodes very pessimistic about staying very long or going too close

[undone jackal]

Burning dead bodies, while is a macabre and extreme solution, is the most effective to ensure diseases don't overstay their welcome.

[raw yew]

Also to clarify I’m not saying it’s strange that places have UV decontamination, I’m saying that they have them but all these decontaminated zones are either very accessible or like right next to settlements

[undone jackal]

Perhaps the cleaners had good intentions after all... Then again I look over to the bad management.

[raw yew]

I’m more wondering about what happened to all the chaos in the decontaminate zone and why they’re not sealed off like the ones in DC.

Cause your argument could be applied to dc as well yet they still treat it as contagious- apart from all of them also being contaminated with DC-62

[undone jackal]

So here's what I think

New york: Green poison
DC: First as green poison, and then DC-62.

Maybe it makes sense in the lore of The Division, but I'm no expert.

[sleek plover]

Rhode Island: Mutant Man-Eating Quahog Clams

[ivory solar]

The Dark Zone in NY fell apart so it makes sense for there to be no checkpoint

And on that virus decaying stuff, Green Poison mostly burnt itself out. It killed so many that it couldn’t find new hosts. “We still live in fear of the virus, the Green Poison.” Green Poison still exists but it lives in small pockets

Also iirc from my notes on smallpox it can survive 3-4 months without a host. Combined with the other viruses that time must’ve extended or Amherst must’ve extended it if what I remember from some notes I have is correct

Division 2 takes place like mid or late May, right?

Division 1 probably covers December

That’s 5 months

Maybe 4 if we go into the exact dates

[languid wing]

Ik division 2 takes place during spring so yea around there

I'd say D1 takes place late November mid-late December

[ivory solar]

Div1 is January

Well that’s when the second wave was activated and the first wave was activated by Directive 51 two weeks earlier

And yeah div2 must take some place in May

[languid wing]

Can't wait for resurgence though being able to play as a first wave agent

Iirc it Paraells the main story of 1 and 2

[ivory solar]

What I want to hear is the plot hole of how in div1 we only had the 4 factions that we know of but in Resurgence we have a new faction that we never fought in div1

[languid wing]

Wait I forget which new Faction?

[ivory solar]

I forget what it’s called but there will be a new one

[languid wing]

Maybe they were hiding

Or maybe they just vanished after the first wave

[ivory solar]

Well they exist after the second wave

Since if you’ve seen gameplay then you know Faye Lau is in the base of operations aka the post office

[languid wing]

Maybe they were gathering power 9r resources or maybe they were just waiting to show themselves again

UK gathering strength

[ivory solar]

Ah they’re called the Freemen

[languid wing]

Unrelated there's multiple ways to kill a agent in a straight up gunfight unless you get lucky or are skilled you ain't winning especially with thier gadgets but if you take that advantage away it will be easier as they can only rely on thier weapons and then if you get some guys to keep them occupied get few to sneak behind thier defenses and boom agent dead

Or just overwhelm them with numbers

[ivory solar]

Just become a boy with thick tanky armor and hack their skills

[languid wing]

Or just get the highground

No one can best the high ground

[sick lantern]

Div 2 is seven months after, so later than that

[boreal edge]

The dollar flu was released on Black Friday which is the day after thanksgiving so this last year would have been the 25th of November

[sick lantern]

hence late december being the earliest possible time for div 1 to happen but january is more accepted and plausible

plus dates in New York Collapse go up to early January

[surreal hearth]

Even so they still salvage what they could find between NYC and the dark zones since they found what’s left of the EMP they are definitely using these tech against us but they’re doing it right under the division radar.

[raw yew]

Played DARPA last night, the first boss uses SHD tech primarily a defender drone

They must have reprogrammed them, considering Brenner had some tech guys who had difficulty cracking the Pentagon’ms defenses

[tawny frost]

Yeah since black tusk more or less merged with the DHS, they have access to all the SHD tech the first and second wave had, combined with black tusk tech to improve it

[raw yew]

Well before all that they never used shd tech until that mission

[tawny frost]

Warhounds are modified shd tech

[raw yew]

Only in the dz do we see other factions using shd tech until manhunts and countdown

[tawny frost]

Same with the EMP jammets

Also the BT drone operators, medics and snipers all have modified SHD drones

[raw yew]

I’m talking about when ISAC identifies a rogue shd tech not those

[tawny frost]

Rogue protocol is different. The other SHD tech is reprogrammed, whereas the rogue drones are stock SHD drones with the rogue protocol running over it

[cosmic barn]

i hate how isac says 2 lines for enemy tech

hostile striker drone detected

rogue striker drone detected

no need to say two lines lol

[raw yew]

Need ISAC to do commentary during battling > “black tusk support running away and praying behind barricade”

[ivory solar]

Warhounds are not SHD tech. Both SHD tech and warhounds were developed by DARPA

[raw yew]

There’s a comm in Brenners orders that specifies DARPA’s version being used for the Army

This DHS connection is just annoying tbh cause makes people think black tusk just stole tech… the only tech from them I’d say I recognize is the support station being from division 1

[ivory solar]

Well they did use some of the tech from the Pentagon when they raided it

[raw yew]

I’m saying from when we first encounter them tho

They have their own tech that counters ours, if not are better at the time cause we didn’t have fully optimized builds or unless you went in with a full skill build

[ivory solar]

Yeah like why do people believe they couldn’t just invent their own stuff?

[raw yew]

Their drones id say are superior to ours, their warhounds and mini tanks send inexperienced agents wiping constantly

They just found some of our tech and started using it either out of efficiency or trying to learn shd tech

[ivory solar]

Probably both. Learning how to use it allows them to counter us better but SHD tech is very powerful so it doesn’t make sense not to use it when you can gain an advantage in a fight

[raw yew]

Probably explains why they were able to use SHD tech crates during Faye Lau manhunt

[mint citrus]

So

They cut our power off

That seems less than ideal for the SHD

[cosmic barn]

Looks like it

[raw yew]

Reactor blew 👁️

[ivory solar]

Not as bad as the SHD network going offline

Bad for the people in the White House but for the Division the SHD network not working was more of a problem

[cursive tapir]

They're really leaning into the stuff from the Operation Crossroads novels so far, very interesting

[floral gull]

Oh nice Castle is being rebuilt

[languid wing]

Im curious about the rumors that rogues are working with outcasts in New Orleans I wonder if they will play a part in thr later story

I doubt it be a new full blown DLC like WONY

But it would be nice to go ot other states and see what's it like there

Kinda wanna see what LA is like

I'd assume the Gangs are running wild there

[viral shell]

They've likely banded together rather than fight each other

similar to the hyenas

I really would love to see them do Boston

[languid wing]

I think LA would be the most lucrative seeing as you have Hollywood alot of places alot of pricey homes perfect for an outbreak

[tawny frost]

Why would the outcasts be in new orleans, when they stem from roosevelt?

[languid wing]

Iirc 1 of the new recordings says there are rumors of outcasts working with rogues in New Orleans

[tawny frost]

Strange

[languid wing]

They are just rumors Idk if there gonna do something surrounding these rumors I guess time will only tell

I mean it would be hard but not impossible for the main factions to pop up in other states

I mean BT has the manpower and connections to be all over the USA

[cosmic barn]

Didnt keener point new orleans as a safe heaven to the survivors in the audio collectibles in new york?

[late void]

long way to point (I thought he was just pointing to New Jersey, but didn't pay much attention)

[languid wing]

No where is truly safe in the division universe if you don't gotta worry about factions then the rogues roaming will get you

I can guarantee most bases and safe heavens have been ether overrun or destroyed there are still a few safe heavens yea but not as many

I mean look at DC the factions run the city jtf is non existent besides the white house

[surreal hearth]

Ok what’s with these new cleaner black tusk hybrids?

I’m seeing black tusk wearing fire breathing cleaner stuff what is Natalya up to?

Oh wait a minute

That’s…..true sons/black tusk hybrids

?! Oh boy this is going to get ugly

Also I’ve heard that the castle settlement is back online

It was destroyed by the true sons years ago but recently some peacekeepers from New York brought the place back online

[viral shell]

In the game, its only 7 months after the events of division 1

The castle was destroyed by the True Sons after just a few weeks

[surreal hearth]

Really? It feels like years now

[viral shell]

Yeah, but we really have been just recycling the same day over and over

Maybe a week or 2 has passed in game, but not much more. There are cars recently abandoned with their lights still on

[surreal hearth]

But now things are getting very interesting as rumor spread that the rogues are building an army of outcast for lucrative reasons and this Wally chick knows everything.

From our SHD tech now to next level hunters

[fringe gale]

lawdddddddd

[mint citrus]

Well, shit.

[surreal hearth]

Aside from that now we are being watched once again by those hunter drones

Whenever we go after these LTs the hunter drone gets involved

[raw yew]

I'd say a few months probably cause in the story per say your agent is the sheriff / new hope and since so many missions and manhunts take place across the whole map - especially previous manhunts being in NYC I'd assume it takes them a week or two to complete a single manhunt but I could very well be wrong

more because as a solo agent they can't be everywhere at once and the characters ur working under refer to u singularly

not ur group (makes me think its a singular agent) whos cleared it as opposed to some of our groups

[frail coyote]

for this hyped up character, Sokalova seems to be a shite leader

"go forage your own salad" just seems like a way to tank morale expeditiously

[surreal hearth]

She’s from Russia you know how they are

She’s a dictator like Putin and if all else fails she would nuke America in the future

[cedar estuary]

I'm currently playing division 2. Is it worth playing division 1 for the story?

[raw yew]

Yes

More consistent and detailed than division 2

Div 2 is left more to interpretation and a bunch of one liners / wrap up plots

[floral gull]

True Tusk

[rotund wasp]

Ok I’ve played like

The division 1

So Hudson is a hub make the town hall place destroy the LMB

What happenes after the main game like season pass

Ik there was two new regions added

With Keener stuff

Not getting to division 2 yet like what else is left

Like underground

Survival

Ik the dark zone was basically containing everyone who was sick like the dz’s in DC or the outcast then the JTF pulled out for some reason

Just want someone to fill in the blanks then we can get to like the various seasons of division 2 bc I WANNA KNOW DA LOre

[sick lantern]

...what?

[rotund wasp]

Sorry I was hyper meant like the main hub area in Hudson

So what happenes after destroying the helicopter at the UN and Keener escaping

Ik the whole finding the original green poison lab but what about like the season pass and such

[rotund wasp]

Know what I mean

[sick lantern]

still not really lol

[sick lantern]

Go play in WSP for a bit and get the collectibles

well Survival is important as a setup but Underground and Survival are mostly auxiliary and don't have a large amount of narrative weight

[rotund wasp]

Ohh ok

[rotund wasp]

I’d have to fish for the disk and I’m at school just curious for what happenes in like the few years or in game weeks/months before division 2

[sick lantern]

besides some dialogue from Keener in WSP, all that stuff is in the books

or just happens off screen/is barely related

[rotund wasp]

Ahh

[rotund wasp]

Do you know any of what happenes in the first 10 seasons?

Because I’m very lost

[raw yew]

Well you could say survival preludes it since you’re in search of a cure

[rotund wasp]

I played to level 30 did all the strongholds then stopped then played the dlc when it came out and stopped until now

Like I still had patriot sets from 2019

Or before

[sick lantern]

Manhunt 1: fuck all happens
Manhunt 2: Hornet comes back from the dead, tries to spread the eclipse virus, fails, dies again
Manhunt 3: BTSU Leader Bardon Schaeffer is apprehended and left comatose, in this season we see the Black Tusk working with a Hunter and a lady named Natalya Sokolov
Manhunt 4: Faye Lau kills Ellis and then dies
seasons 5 6 7 and 8 were just repeats for people who missed them the first time around

[rotund wasp]

Hornet was one of keeners dogs rigjt?

[sick lantern]

Seasons 9 and 10 are the modern content that you should watch the NGN videos for to get better context

[sick lantern]

yes, the boss of the Russian Consulate mission

[rotund wasp]

I have good memory!

[rotund wasp]

I did 10 like a day before 11 dropped but idk ab 9

[sick lantern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeQwa3EwlzM

[raw yew]

Black tusk work to assassinate President Mendez so that House Speaker Andrew Ellis is next in line for presidency (Mendez was the VP)

They work on making things more difficult for the division by looking to supply a faction who would level the playing field and cause problems for everyone, they choose Hyenas cause they’re the least dangerous (though I’d argue they are the most organized after true sons) their council is spread apart the map so they’re easier to pick off.

This allows them to sabotage the shd hub at Jefferson trade center

Keener saves Hornet

This is basically the synopsis to events that would prelude division 2

After they sabotage the shd hub your agent is called to DC… blah blah blah

[rotund wasp]

||Ik Ellis betrays the division but it’s all for power and Ik the camp David mission does he die at the end I remember doing it but I can’t remember?||

[sick lantern]

he dies in the Faye Lau manhunt version of that mission

[raw yew]

He gets executed by Faye Lau

[rotund wasp]

So Faye betrayed then

Did a swap

[raw yew]

No, she set herself up

[abstract sonnet]

In WoNY

[rotund wasp]

Wdym

Ik in WoNY we kill keener and she betrays but idk like wth is after

[raw yew]

Don’t think she was supposed to die, she just did but she knew she might have that’s why she left encrypted files

[sick lantern]

yea pretty much
Faye was actually a double agent and she compromised Bardon and they were both good guys

[rotund wasp]

Ahhh

So now we have in this season the Black tusk just trying to consolidate power in the true sons?

Use them as a puppet in dc as they conquer da world

[raw yew]

She turned on the division to get inside access to black tusk being one of the divisions most valuable agents as she was the commander in NY so like all intel had to go through her and she had a lot to share… it was just that the black tusk kept sending morons to the BTSU and Schaffer lost control of DC

[rotund wasp]

What is the BTSU?

I’ve seen it all around just not entirely familiar with phrase is it just black tusk?

Or is it a parallel to ISAC

[raw yew]

So they lost faith in him, you can hear Sokolova shunning him and basically telling him to mind his own business

BTSU is black tusk equivalent to the division - namely officers

It’s black tusk special unit

[rotund wasp]

Ahhh

So now this Sokolova is running the black tusk?

[raw yew]

The most interesting ones I’d say are Petrus Brenner, Elijah Sumner and Galveston

They’re the most intelligent ones apart from Schaffer

She’s the ceo

[rotund wasp]

Ohh so black tusk is a private military organization taking over the world?

Interesting

[raw yew]

A rogue division agent assigned to Faye Lau was her brother who grew up in a different home than her but we killed him cos he rogue and talked too much but before season 10 no one knew what she looked like

[rotund wasp]

Hmm

[raw yew]

Some benefactor hired them to take out the division and all operatives working to restore the “United States” so they can rebuild a new government

[rotund wasp]

So they’re just mercenaries…..

[raw yew]

That’s why it didn’t make sense for Ellis because he was already president, securing the most powerful leadership position in the United States as the division answered to him… but he put his faith more in black tusk, was making side deals with them since the outbreak in New York

I think Ellis wanted a new world considering had no other option once the division found out Mendez was murdered by Schaffer - who was in contact with him

[rotund wasp]

Mmm

Do y’all think we’ll ever find out who’s paying the black tusk

[raw yew]

See that’s the thing… people say we’ve already met the guy but I find that to be nonsense since the game tells you he’s someone else

[rotund wasp]

And how are they being payed

Mmm

[raw yew]

When the BTSU is introduced before Schaffer becomes a primary leader of the BTSU he’s assigned and taking orders from someone he knows from before, who in comms is referred to as “Black Tusk Commanding Officer”

We never heard from him after world tier 1 but I don’t believe he’s a sponsor, I believe he’s literally just a black tusk operative

When we take out all the twins at Invaded camp white oak Schaffer calls the commanding officer and tells him to stop sending him idiots who can’t take orders

[rotund wasp]

So it’s someone who’s using the guise of a company to play the game of war

New world order dictator shi

[sick lantern]

they're not trying to take over the US cus they're being paid, their work as a PMC is implied to have been a front so they could operate in preparation for their actual mission which is what they're doing now

[rotund wasp]

But they need to get DC out because that’s where the ISAC node is

[raw yew]

What’s their mission now lol

It’s been the same the whole time

At first when Ellis was recruited they were trying to recruit the division to their cause

Or at least get them to be friendly by following orders of Ellis

[rotund wasp]

Ahhhh

So what’s next do you guys think

[raw yew]

Well we got a settlement back… I think they’re gonna take one out

My guess is the theatre

[rotund wasp]

Mmm

[sick lantern]

odds on Stovepipe does it in prime target mission

[rotund wasp]

There’s no like bounty board or vender tho

Projects not bounty

Went there looks really nice def my fav settlement

Guess we just have to wait then

Y’all think they’ll ever add more to the map like division 1 did?

Maybe the Supreme Court Building?

[raw yew]

Lol if he gets away at the end of the manhunt I’m done with tryna predict the lore 😂

[raw yew]

That’s outside the bounds of the map I think unless they make it a offsite mission

[rotund wasp]

Ya like why did Anderson get away As well?

[raw yew]

They’re building a new team - an alliance

True sons are needed bc the black tusk convoy routes are compromised or so they say that they’ve found new ones

[sick lantern]

no

[rotund wasp]

So now we have outcasts working with rogue agents

Wouldn’t the agents see the outcasts as kinda stupid

Whole religion with embracing the virus

Also will say most annoying faction besides tusk

[raw yew]

doubt it there was a whole season where they were used as manpower

hornet

[rotund wasp]

Wdym

[raw yew]

there was a season where a rogue agent - hornet - aligned with the outcasts because they needed a leader and hated the division

[rotund wasp]

Ahhh

[sick lantern]

my copy of Compromised should arrive tomorrow, pre ordered I can hopefully cancel Amazon Prime ASAP

... still haven't finished Broken Dawn though lol

[surreal hearth]

The rogues rebuilding their own armies such as outcast and hyenas they’ll more likely pop up by coincidence on the final manhunt however

Cal has eyes and ears everywhere with those hunter stalker hiding around as well as the hunter drones

[sick lantern]

finally
I should’ve had my hands on it a month ago but thanks staggered releases

[surreal hearth]

Ever since the black tusk are now Allied with the true sons there’s been a vacuum of power shift going around.

The division have no armies to deal with this growing threat and now with the rumors spreading regarding to the rogue agents gathering an army of leaderless outcast it’s getting a little intense

To make matters worst the stalker hunters are getting involved monitoring the situation

[fringe gale]

also heartland alpha rewards (or maybe beta rewards) are up on ubi connect for siege lmao

[surreal hearth]

Oh wow

[raw yew]

what are they?

[fringe gale]

weapon skin with the orange white logo

idk if its for alpha testers or if they're plannin on rolling beta out

[raw yew]

is it challenge based

[fringe gale]

nope

its like the new ubi games, just play it and redeem ur award

[hardy oar]

Maybe a new Base of Operation? Btw where is this place in Washington DC?

[raw yew]

It’s right behind the capitol building

From the looks of it it’s not in the dark zone

[surreal hearth]

No offense but I have no remorse murdering and genocide the rikers entirely

There’s a personal ready why all rikers should die in hell

[graceful relic]

seems like a Rogue agent 😂

[surreal hearth]

The rikers murder laus sister every riker I kill can atleast find peace for her

Whether your a division or not it’s justified in some way possible besides the SHD is no joke to being unknowns like the hunters

I wouldn’t blame rogues either

[graceful relic]

I think you would be okay if they were shooting at you but if they don't have a weapon ISAC would mark you as Rogue lol

[surreal hearth]

That’s the brutal part being an SHD you can kill somebody that’s shooting at you but then when they surrender and kill them without remorse then your flagged as a rogue and because there’s no Justice system in place then ISAC becomes too judgmental about it

ISAC was designed as some non-kill on sigh safety system in place while ANNA has none of that

That can cause judgement disputes and so on among specific unrest for each individual agents that are trying to do the right thing

ISAC is no saint either as it took many lives that suffered their previous life the most and then turns into a vendettas bloodthirsty for revenge

Natalya is the opposite version of putin as she has lost a lot in the war on this apocalypse from supplies, hidden alliance, infrastructures and so on and now the true sons are all she can get by whike her black tusk is treated poorly

[ashen jungle]

Okay let's leave IRL politics out of this.

[surreal hearth]

Sorry too far there

[raw yew]

Those cage fights they have are sick

The ambushing of div 1 agents and JTF made me so mad

[surreal hearth]

They put many JTFs there dead because of the growing violence of the rikers and under a dangerous rogue agent who was once a police officer himself now supporting escape convicts

I’m betting they might have murdered laus sister among the dead JTFs

The hyenas on the other hand are nothing more than a bunch of raider gangs looking for drugs and stuff.

The true sons are basically a bunch of gunners looking for dominance and paramilitary regime control plus most of them are all JTF rejects along with high redacted military warlord rejects.

And lastly the outcast?…..eh well they are basically a terrorist group looking to spread Terror on innocent people.

[raw yew]

Are u describing them or saying why u hate them because that would be one and the same

[rotund wasp]

What’s with the outcast tho

[raven zephyr]

yeah why suicide bombers and lore masters here?

[rotund wasp]

Well Ik Ridgeway locked them up on Roosevelt and made them starve right?

[raw yew]

Some of them were sick - infected with the virus. JTF quarantined them on the island and instructed anyone who was sick to seek help there, there’s 2 contaminated areas where two families talk about going there. But Ridgeway didn’t think resources should be spent on them and that they were going to die soon anyways. He then murdered anyone who would threaten to report him to superiors such as in the found footage, was eventually arrested for war crimes by Manny and his national guard squad, him and Lewis were part of the same unit before ridgeway defected which is why they are friends. A sergeant breaks Ridgeway out of the stockade stating that he didn’t do anything wrong

He starts his own army - terrorizes communities to give him food and supplies

Under 4th amendment American military isn’t able to quarter in your home without ur permission or unless congress determined it was necessary

Ridgeway sealed the gates and left armed guards at Roosevelt island, they overthrew the guards … they wanted vengeance, but their methodology was flawed- they believed anyone who was outside the island was responsible for their suffering because they quotum quote “did nothing to stop it”

All the rushers for example are infected so they choose to go out in a way that would bring death to their enemies, read the data logs for each enemy archetype it tells u what they are

[rotund wasp]

Congress cant super pass the rule lol

It’s there for a reason

[raw yew]

Really

I’d beg to differ

Considering it was changed last year, the enforcement of it but the amendment is in place to protect u from martial law… it doesn’t mean it can’t be rescinded

[surreal hearth]

Not hate them but rather how they brutally justify the innocence

[raw yew]

In truth the worst of the bunch are rikers and I don’t feel bad about them

[surreal hearth]

Suicide bombers are straight from Iraq

The outcast took biological warfare from the Afganistán war

[raw yew]

True sons are 2nd worse cause of that found footage where they made pow dig their own graves and shoot them as they were slowly trying to get away

[surreal hearth]

They are fallout4 Gunners in my opinion

[raw yew]

Hmm?

[surreal hearth]

Sorry it’s fallout4 mythological

Many of the true sons are all U.S army now paramilitary terrorist

[raw yew]

They’re considered mutineers

They went AWOL and committed treason

Whatever crimes come after just adds to a death sentence lol

Death sentence with 20 years for war crimes

[surreal hearth]

Mutineers in military outfits but with extremist regime ideology thanks to the evil Preston name ridgeway

Anton ridgeway

[raw yew]

Yea soon as I saw them I immediately thought of nazis

[surreal hearth]

The true sons have collapsed the U.S army infrastructures

Causing mass mutineers

[raw yew]

I doubt that, they aim to recruit civilians.. most of their officers are high ranked yes but a lot of their soldiers are privates who wanted food, water and were branded as collaborators

[surreal hearth]

What’s even worst as some of them are on the highest pentagon redactions you can find because of iron horse raid

Why are they are redacted you say? is because according to iron horse raid is some after the renegade prison break riot have caused far deeper war crimes before ridgeway was arrested

I think something about political Bs according to kelson

Anyways the true sons are human scums that don’t deserve to live

When Anderson took over the leadership he believes that allying with the black tusk is the only decision he can think off

However his decision working with nat has attracted more consequences for the true sons as some defected for the SHD while others chooses to fight against the black tusk themselves

The biggest consequences even attracted further rogue presence due to rising alliance threats by BTs and TSs alliance

[raw yew]

That was Morozova her identity was scrambled and she was a government operative

[raw yew]

They never really explained why he joined up with them, in season 9 they were desperately trying to establish a connection because the division had too much foothold in dc.

Idk what supply routes they’re talking about but the true sons supply routes weren’t in danger to the division, the black tusk needed the true sons for their manpower and supply lines

[surreal hearth]

So this is basically another covered supply infrastructure needed for the black tusk then.

[surreal hearth]

So she way definitely unknown at that time then

Also this new prime target doesn’t strike me down as a true son or a black tusk

He’s a weapon smuggler in my opinion even if he’s wearing hybrid true son/black tusk pants

[sick lantern]

guards debating M16 vs AK lol

[raw yew]

He seems to be a true son but more like Cassie Mendoza

[raw yew]

No one knows jack about her

[surreal hearth]

He’s a gunrunner in my opinion

[raw yew]

That’s what Cassie Mendoza is

[surreal hearth]

The dude is favoritism on both sides of the war however he is a bigger target due to how dangerous he really is and despise that he loves blowing shit up the last thing he would need is both the SHD and the rogues go after him in the end

[sick lantern]

||So the Reborn are attacking the Freighties, the Freighties are the enemies of the Roamers, the Roamers are working with the Black Tusk||
and the book draws attention to ||the Reborn having unusual weapons and a lot of equipment... I am predicting that the Reborn are being supplied by the Black Tusk Hyena-style||

[sick lantern]

nvm I had COMPLETELY forgotten the hint earlier
anyway book finished, it was alright but I think the first one was better

||ANNA finally does something|| at least

[fringe gale]

yall think heartland's enemies will be connected to the book enemies like the Roamers or no?

[sleek plover]

BT and TS alliance

they are now BTS

I am allowed to make this joke cuz im korean american

[urban musk]

why did you feel the need to state that, Jacobin?

So I've had this question for awhile about the JTF, How were they able to make or modify so many green helmets and reflective vests as quick as they did during the outbreak?

[mint citrus]

Spray paint, maybe?

[urban musk]

That's a good theory except... where are all the spray paint cans at?

[sick lantern]

The vests already exist I should hope

[lunar harbor]

The vests and helmets should already have existed -

It's more then likely that they either utilized spray paint and/or masking/duct tape to modify them to state "JTF"

[sick lantern]

in the trailer they certainly don't look like any of them

[fringe gale]

as in allied or whatever

bc id be surprised if they werent mentioned at least

[sick lantern]

we're two novels in and they haven't made a connection so far and Heartland will probably come out before the third book

so unless they try to get Heartland f2pers to buy a book

[fringe gale]

tru

[random thistle]

https://news.ubisoft.com/en-us/article/5GlPfs8rLuSsn9TctM2g9v/5-facts-you-might-not-know-about-the-division#:~:text=The Division itself has roots,to a widespread bioterrorist attack.

[surreal hearth]

https://youtu.be/YCvunW_O7hs

Mind if put this here?

Also I just realized something

In season 10 manhunt introduced a black tusk heavy name lucky but now today we get curse? Another black tusk heavy?

[cold bramble]

anyone playing the division one i need a help with one mission

[ivory solar]

#td1-lfg

[sick lantern]

“Outcasts nuclear weapon” another link to Recruited

[fading dawn]

The Division Heartland - latest news is from september 2022 (on ubisoft website), where its talking march 2023. - I guess the communication skills has been destroyed, or should we just forget about this in its entirety?

[sick lantern]

I was under the impression that Recruited happened some months after the current point in the timeline, but if events are happening concurrently, then that means that the current date is a year at least since the outbreak began

[fringe gale]

its prob a internal delay

however im thinking a announcement for a open beta may be coming soon since ubi connect rewards for playing the game are out for some reason

[sick lantern]

they're probably for people who played the closed tests

[viral shell]

Just thinking in relation to #divashion -- Is there any lore for division agents having been part of the JTF?

[ashen jungle]

Since Agents outrank every other Federal Agent out there, your canon can absolutely be that they were part of one of the groups that formed the JTF, but you're now above them.

[fringe gale]

oh yeah that makes sense

[mint citrus]

Could an agent be court-martialed for failure to cooperate during a military operation, or no?

[raw yew]

I'd think so

[sick lantern]

a division agent has the authority to insert themselves at any level of an organisation's command structure, bar taking over the organisation entirely
so, if an agent were to disagree with officer-level personnel I don't think they actually would have the authority to do so (bar a rogue agent scenario)

[haughty palm]

Just finished the main storyline and WoNY in Division 2. That’s it?!?! It ended like that? Like……is there more? Because that ending was dumb and it sucked.

Any explanation for Faye anywhere and what else do I do now?

[sick lantern]

now you do the FOMO seasons

[raw yew]

U want spoilers

[haughty palm]

Can I find out ingame or was it removed and I have to watch fraking YouTube?

[fringe gale]

its ingame but u could just watch like a NGN summary vid

[viral shell]

Yeah, theres only been small bit of story since, and its all been seasonal stuff

You have to remember we didnt get any new story at all until season 10 last season

So after faye lau, theres only what season 10 added and what this season is adding

The game kinda went into maintenance mode after season 4 - seasons 5-8 were just re-runs of 1-4.

They only decided to put out new content late last year.

[raw yew]

It’s on yt or I could just tell u

Click on this only if u want spoilers

||Faye Lau cutscene in WONY is because she needed to get inside the black tusk to bring it down because they were planning something big - she used Alisha Coswell who was a rogue agent and former teacher to get connected to Bardon Schaffer - who secretly was having meetings with Lau as they discuss tension with Natalya Sokolova and the true sons - someone named Dusk died idk who the hell they were but it created some tension because it was a hunter who killed her, she was a true son, the hunter was working with Schaffer but more so keeping an eye on him… Schaffer was like the golden boy but all his teams and lieutenants were killed by your agent, which prior to your going to NY you wipe out his recruitment exercise to the BTSU … so when all the teams failed it’s as if the black tusk started to push him away, Natalya scolding him. She’s been working with a the secretary of homeland security - Calvin McManus who’s yet to be introduced and like Natalya was more of a shadow figure before season 10 but he’s the one who selects people to go through a hunter program. Schaffer saw this as a threat that could wipe out the division and since he doesn’t have access or trust, it’s up to Lau to gain that trust who Natalya doesn’t trust because she’s a rogue agent… who by definition betrayed her mission. But long story short Lau and Schaffer make an attempt to ease the tension by going off on different assignments but likewise your agent has a trigger happy finger and kills them both… but Schaffer survives and is being treated at the White House. Lau assassinates president Ellis which causes a bounty to be put on her head as you were there to arrest him, not kill him. She dies, leaves behind tapes that explain she was working with Schaffer and that the black tusk is a great danger blah blah blah… Ubisoft has been quite vague and leaves stuff open to interpretation||

||Lau assissinates Ellis because it pissed her off after all her commitment to the division (and all agents) the president who they were sworn to serve betrays the division and the country by working with the black tusk… so to her the division is flawed (but not in the way Rhodes would suggest… it’s flaws once Ellis is still in play)||

[haughty palm]

Roger roger. Thanks. Glad it’s what I thought then. Sucks the outcome. Stupid we can’t make our own choices lol 😂🤦🏻‍♂️

[raw yew]

If it were up to me I’d hog tie them lol

But the mission is designed in such a way that you have to kill Faye Lau otherwise it’s just endless waves of helicopters and warhounds / drones

So yea they don’t give us a choice like say in red dead redemption

In the Hornet and Jupiter missions it’s not endless waves but Hornet spams armor kits like 5 times lol, his mission was by far the most interesting I’d say

Jupiter as well, forces you to use the environment

Lau and Schaffer were both supposed to make it out alive, she just wanted the transport route for where they were keeping Ellis to kill him, the game made it so you had no other choice because they wanted a redemption villain arc, in the last 2 manhunts the targets either aren’t who we think they are and so they either end up getting away or there’s a new target embedded with that target…

It’s become kind of predictable by this point that it’s not fun anymore to say the least, Lewis’s mission was really cool, Anderson was bleh, Lau deserved better

Guess we see the flaw in the division in that they shoot first ask questions later, makes them kinda fascist if you ask me but I see why they do it

[sick lantern]

that’s not really how that works

i genuinely don’t understand why people keep saying this “why don’t we take prisoners”
in a conflict zone if you’re an armed combatant with a firearm, ya gonna get shot

like what you’re gonna go across and try to pepper spray a guy with a rifle or something? it doesn’t make sense

we don’t take prisoners because the people we fight are fucking dangerous and don’t surrender

[viral shell]

I think theres a story hint that hunters have eliminated the entire line of succession right down to the secretary of homeland security who is 18th in line for the presidency and the final one.

[raw yew]

I’ve heard that from someone who used to be in the server

Do u have a source I’d like to check it out

[viral shell]

Also, if the secretary of homeland security is alive -- he's OUR boss. We might end up working with BT?

Manny has to answer to him

[raw yew]

Doesn’t mean we have to obey the president

Just look at what happened with Ellis

[viral shell]

no, Manny always honours the chain of command

which means that if the secretary is now president technically, then he has no choice but to do as he asks

[raw yew]

That’s part of his training I’d say

[viral shell]

It sokolova and the sec. are working together, that means he can declare the BT part of homeland security and force us to join or become part of them

[raw yew]

I don’t think just because you’re the president the division has to answer to you, you have to fall in line with keeping the country on track, assassinating people in government offices I’d say is high treason

[viral shell]

Also giving all BT access to ISAC and the toys we have.

They blame the hunters for taking out all the others, and declare the hunters rogue

BT become officially sanctioned security

and we work alongside them to finish off the remaining factions

Its very important to remember that The division are Homeland Security Agents, and we are part of that department

[sick lantern]

only on a technicality, the SHD is very independent from the DHS

plus, not only has McManus not been officially sworn in to the presidency, if he did he would still be a traitor for his collaboration with an occupying force, just like Ellis

ergo he would still have no authority

[surreal hearth]

Even so but given how fragmented the government authority such as the SHD are they’ll find ways to restore the governmental order you can’t permanently murder the Phoenix entirely.

I’m still high hoping that two formers such as Lewis and our coma BT buddy name shaeffer which I wish he should wake the hell up by now are more likely to work together helping us bring down the BTs and TSs joint forces

[raw yew]

U shot dude in the head and want him to wake up 😭 he had such a good sense of humor, I take it he’s gonna want a warhound before he helps us.. for protection

[fringe gale]

quick q, has there ever been a time where the SHD has recruited a civilian or JTF member during or post outbreak? like isac watch, bags and all

[raw yew]

u mean given them shd stuff?

the only person that we've really done that with is Rhodes

Rhodes or Manny

mostly Rhodes cause he's a nerd and doesn't trust us

[fringe gale]

no like made them a agent

i swear it happened once

[raw yew]

it happened in season 9 but not by shd

[sick lantern]

that's literally the plot of Recruited

[fringe gale]

i knew it

i gotta read that

[lone salmon]

Speaking of Recruited

Apparently the author is homeless now

https://twitter.com/ThomasP71740560/status/1632898539033378818

[sick lantern]

:/ what the hell

hope he’s ok

[surreal hearth]

There was a short division2 video about actual agents on the field dying and giving up their watches to someone else who will eventually become an agent themselves

This would explain why so many of the SHD is extremely unknowable but it’s sometimes a lottery moment whether the individual uses the watch to become an agent or a rogue oh his/her choice

[lunar harbor]

Wonder how the system (ISAC) recognizes the watch's transition to a non-registered SHD Agent

As well, does the dying Agent give them everything - including the Brick, Smart Lenses, etc., or just the Smart Watch?

[sick lantern]

what video is this?

[lunar harbor]

If it's the Live Action one, it might be this:

https://youtu.be/opOPWYBTp9k

[sick lantern]

i’d hesitate to say that guy “became an agent” lol

mans just took a watch from a dying agent, no training on SHD tech, strategy, might not even be any good with a gun lol