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sick lantern
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Colonel Charles Bliss

gaunt ice
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yea that guy

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it stopped making sense

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those guys came out of nowhere

sick lantern
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well tbf that comic is set closer to the start of div 2 than the end of div 1

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but yea the classic deep state conspiracy mercenaries who were secretly involved the whole time is a little bit played out

ashen jungle
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Just a reminder that this chat is for discussion about the Extended Universe of the div2 world only.

brisk bone
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Keener is still the only agent to get that one smooth looking DARPA drone right? Thing looks like it'd actually take a few bullets unlike the SHD drones

ashen jungle
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@thorny pelican It's a nice message, and good news is that there are indeed more stuff planned, Year 5 support has been confirmed.
but yeah, lore channel. :p

round sinew
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Anyone read Remission?

sick lantern
round sinew
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Thoughts?

sick lantern
round sinew
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Yeah, I thought it was pretty mid

sick lantern
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Thoroughly forgettable and pointless

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I've not read the other two comics

sick lantern
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@round sinew you read any of the other division stuff?

round sinew
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Some

tame marsh
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The books have been better than the comics imo

cursive tapir
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The first crossroads book was pretty fun! Very likable characters and good dialogue

floral gull
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What’s the % chance that Lewis dies by the end of this season

sick lantern
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low hopefully

floral gull
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The price….of power

sick lantern
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seemingly that's referring to Anderson

languid wing
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power comes at the risk of becoming power hungry or corrupt

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or just become a total nut

daring plover
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There's this theory in which the castle could actually be used again, I personally don't believe it as the DC62 is gonna take years to dissipate if not decades, but I'd love to hear your thoughts on this

ashen jungle
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DC-62 is basically a chemical weapon, for all intents and purposes.
I honestly don't think anyone would want to move back into a place where superpowered nerve gas was mortared in.

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Maybe as some kind of military checkpoint, but even then it's too exposed, it's basically a worse version of The Nest.

daring plover
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That's what I was thinking, and even if people were to move back there, they most likely would not last long enough because of poisoning.

ashen jungle
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Unless the DZ that's coated in dc-62 could be cleaned up, then I doubt that Castle could either.

daring plover
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Oh yeah, Georgetown?

late void
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Looks like the castle in the background of one of those pics relating to next year's content though

ashen jungle
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I hope not.

daring plover
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If it's about the descent mode, it could be fun

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There's lots of potential actually

surreal hearth
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The time has come people

late void
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Cometh the time, cometh the agent

surreal hearth
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We kill lucky and we will go guns blazing straight towards Anderson

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I’m honestly expecting plot twist, backstabbing, our odd of predictable moments are high

glad spruce
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Finally

urban musk
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Anderson had better be ready, That's all.

gaunt ice
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Yea he better.
Better call Saul

mint citrus
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Oh boy

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Good luck everyone

tribal pelican
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Anderson has fallen, and with him, another false leader

ashen jungle
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Oh hey LMB, long time no see.

sick lantern
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Mitchell “Lucky” Woods?
🧅

surreal hearth
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Goddammit

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Anderson

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I’m not spoiling for now as this snake is slippery

frail coyote
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was anyone else waiting in the end cutscene for a gunshot?

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trying to be vague for spoilers

sleek plover
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So black tusks absorbed LMB and true sons altogether, making itself the ultimate villain

sleek plover
cursive tapir
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Haven't yet finished the manhunt but WHAT is Lucky's voice acting??

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Also, I enjoyed the reference to the Roamers. Fun whenever the books get referenced

sick lantern
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could ||do this||

sick lantern
floral gull
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Now to use other non mission locations for manhunts

sick lantern
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so I wonder if Agent Brenda and co. could show up in the future now

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maybe she’ll give us some anime themed outfit xd

surreal hearth
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I’m hoping the shaeffer wakes up soon and with alot of information

surreal hearth
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Is it just me or does Natalya looks eh…..

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“Authoritarian in a white suit”

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She even has a sokolov concern pin

sick lantern
surreal hearth
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A white suit like that don’t come cheap and she looks like she’s running the white tusk instead of the black tusk all LMB looking

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Now that she straight up bought additional power as Anderson is now in her pocket ready to utilize the true sons whenever she please

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Sadly we still don’t have an army of our own to fight the now growing threat of two military regime superpower

surreal hearth
frail coyote
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Kept panning away from them and I was just like boom she doesn't need him anymore

round sinew
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How is Lucky just a goon when he seems like, really VIP?

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Rear Admiral in the US Navy, SEALs Commander?

sick lantern
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same reason why Chirpy didn't get ass blasted for firing a shot at a commanding officer

languid wing
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Well when your the deadliest sniper in the BT you kinda dont give a damm

surreal hearth
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This is bad real bad

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Looks like Anderson and Natalya are now permanently partners for life which means we are screwed which double means that all divisions will be spending the rest of our lives endlessly killing an even more dangerous combinations of superpower military regimes

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If Natalya can control remnants of the LMB think of the insanity with the true sons now merging with black tusk

paper adder
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More walking lootbags

surreal hearth
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Indeed lots and lots of lootbags

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Listen to all of those headshots

floral gull
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Would Jennifer Lawrence be a good Natalya Sokolova for live film?

languid wing
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Bardon has a lot of dirt on natayla

surreal hearth
surreal hearth
languid wing
surreal hearth
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Yeah but if Fred has spent a lot of time on the true sons his intel can help us exploit them

languid wing
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idk what happened to willy i miss her even if she apperaed in only 1 comm

surreal hearth
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And who knows maybe he can find a way to rescue some defectors that have been captured by the true sons

surreal hearth
languid wing
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all ik is hopefully by halfway through 2023 ive put a bullet in nats head

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i wonder if we are ever gonna go after mcmanus

surreal hearth
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As long as she lives the black tusk infrastructure is extremely unbreakable no matter how many times we push them back every week

languid wing
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we have something that she dose not

surreal hearth
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Though if not for the smoke we be dead by an infinite amount of BT soldiers

languid wing
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ive said this a few times us the agents have plot armor

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there not gonna kill us off anytime soon

surreal hearth
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I thought bardon was wearing plot armor as well

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Which made me question his adorable helmet he was wearing

languid wing
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plot armor is the ultimate defense

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until the writers get bored of that character and say yep no more plot armor for you

surreal hearth
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If there’s one thing I learned about Russian leaders is don’t underestimate them

tepid ibex
tepid ibex
round sinew
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Hot take: A spec should've been made where instead of a weapon, you get a bigger drone.

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At the very least one of the treaded weapon platform style of things. But ideally a dog.

paper adder
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Upgrade yer drone until you get Black Tust quadcopter

frail coyote
hardy oar
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What do you think - should the Division make alliance with LMB as well? We have allied ourself (sort of) with True Sons and BTSU so why not with them as well?

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More firepower and experienced soldiers --> better chance fighting with Sokolova and Anderson

sick lantern
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An amount of LMB members were absorbed into the JTF in NYC so we already did

tulip patio
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yeah I don't think there's any actual LMB left

surreal hearth
languid wing
tepid ibex
languid wing
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or they are pissed that keener betrayed them

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and want revenge for the death of thier commander

sleek plover
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Damn i hate LMB

cursive tapir
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Currently reading Operation Crossroads: Compromised, I'd forgotten that all the chemicals in our healing gadgets are super addictive and have horrific withdrawal symptoms

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Lots of vomiting

languid wing
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cant be as bad as the hyneas spice

sick lantern
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doesn’t come out til february for me :/ lucky

surreal hearth
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Hmm

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I wonder how many true sons are outside of DC? Paramilitaries have infrastructures to keep people out and yet they allowed a massive fleet of black tusk carrying “spices” for a high trade value

fringe gale
novel pike
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i jsut ran the Amusment park for the project....and it made me wonder again....what in the name of Sokolova's well shaped behind did ms. Jones consume to make her think it was a good idea to go after ya boi Aaron 😂

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what made her think she had a snowball';s chance in hell of winning THAT particular confrontation if she even gets there 😂

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must be some hard core hallucinogenics 😂

surreal hearth
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The black tusk was the old black tusk under shaeffers command

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Sokolova with her new black tusk are extremely dangerous now

late void
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schaeffer was just the lead of the BTSU, he was always subordinate to sokolova

surreal hearth
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Yeah but was underestimated by the divisions all of his teams were major screw ups

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Sure he did lead the BTSU but in reality he was already cutting ties after finding out how insane sokolova is his only solution was in division hands but not without putting a show

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Blonde woman’s are the most dangerous people just ask miss sokolova and the next day your head is on a black tusk hovercraft

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She’s a hybrid polar opposite of XI and Putin combined

cursive tapir
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How would people feel about Black Tusk getting more near-future/hard scifi assets? Nemesis is a railgun, after all. I'm picturing stuff like caseless ammo, powered exoskeletons, etc. Maybe a primitive mech or a stealth suit of some sort. Stuff that would be a natural evolution from the big dogs and Division-level tech.

surreal hearth
tulip patio
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well they do go a step above the usual in the raid what with first encounter's shield, the gas afterwards, the much more advanced robo dogs as well

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but they're already the most advanced faction we had so far and I think they should stick to this level

round sinew
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It's also super unrealistic and not "hard" scifi or "near" future.

hardy oar
sick lantern
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pretty much a railgun is shaped like a U and a coilgun is shaped like a tunnel

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same technology, different shape

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afaik

round sinew
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Yeah, basically.

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Coilguns are less energy intensive and require less length as well, which makes them a little easier to build.

hardy oar
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I see, thanks

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Never knew something like a coilgun exist

round sinew
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The Nemesis technically isn't even a coilgun either tbh 💀

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Since it's just a heavily modified regular-ass rifle.

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It's just been modified to use special ammunition and the barrel has been made to be a coilgun.

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Because irl, a handheld coilgun with today tech, is as big and heavy as a .50 caliber sniper rifle except it's less powerful than a BB gun.

hardy oar
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So pretty much very unrealistic

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Btw what do you think about having two targets in Season 11 - Sokolova and McManus?

tulip patio
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unless they appear as dual bosses or something and the manhunt works the same it won't happen

round sinew
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The Nemesis appears to use a regular bolt-action firing system, but Black Tusk fitted it with a power pack and a magnetic coil barrel. So it's more like a... magnetically-assisted rifle?

sick lantern
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unless they do get mech suits xd

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i can’t imagine a businesswoman and a politician being killed/apprehended in any interesting way outside of a cutscene

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like Sokolova just comes out with a pistol and 1hp

round sinew
hardy oar
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Sokolova or McManus?

sick lantern
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which kinda makes me think they won’t...? idk

surreal umbra
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I wanna murder Malik

sick lantern
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@languid wing there was never a point where the SHD would’ve answered to McManus

languid wing
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I mean after the presidents death he's next in line to take over the SHD condserding most other government officials are MIA or KIA

sick lantern
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still gotta actually be integrated into the government structure (which effectively no longer exists) for that to be recognised
and he’s a traitor collaborating with an occupying force, so he would have no legitimate support

languid wing
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We are leaderless rn

sick lantern
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that is our MO after all

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extremis malis and whatnot

languid wing
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Yea but we are basically doing our own thing trying to survive

novel pike
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@solemn sentinel Sort of a Lore Channel here

sick lantern
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we’re protecting communities and whatnot

solemn sentinel
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epic

solemn sentinel
languid wing
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Well we have 2 objs left the government is done we can't do the couniity of the government so we have protect the populace and that other 1

novel pike
sick lantern
solemn sentinel
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could we not just use Keener's more advanced Rouge network to our advtvange if the SHD is ever marked rouge?

languid wing
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And can we talk about how on heroic the civies are built like tanks and are bullet sponges?

solemn sentinel
languid wing
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But they take like so much dmg

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Ans can continue to fight

solemn sentinel
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true

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and they don't even wear proper combat armor like most of the enemey factions, just their civilian clothing

languid wing
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Irl unless you immortal or are superman you ain't suriving 10 guys all shooting at you at once

solemn sentinel
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yeah

languid wing
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Or if your John wick 😂

solemn sentinel
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Yes XDD

sick lantern
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SHD: specially trained for scavenging and OSP in crisis scenarios
Civilian Militia: it’s bumrush time

solemn sentinel
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yes

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Civlians in The division 1: "Please don't hurt me D:"
Civlians in THe Division 2:

novel pike
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😂

solemn sentinel
languid wing
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Division 2 civies build different

solemn sentinel
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yeah, it shows the DC stock are more hardy lol

novel pike
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that's as close as i'mma get to being John Wick

languid wing
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They are the upgraded models of td1 civies

solemn sentinel
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yes

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i have learend the civlian patrols gets better weapons when you upgrade the settlement

languid wing
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Meanwhile my 777 k shield and 320 k health butt is sitting in cover 😂

solemn sentinel
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XD, i love my striker drone

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It finishes off mission bosses while im taking cover and reloading

languid wing
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I'm all red

solemn sentinel
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Also man the streets in TD2 feels more deserted than the streets in 1, likly cause by that time most still alive people in DC have joined a faction or living in the settlements

languid wing
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More quiet means I can talk to myself and go crazy 😂

solemn sentinel
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Lol

languid wing
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Alr im going to bed nice talking with ya

solemn sentinel
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also what happend to the actual army? like the marine corp and such? i doubt all of them died of the green posion or joined hostile factions, unless the marine corp are part of the natoinal guard that was made a part of the JTF

solemn sentinel
novel pike
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well according to a friend of mine DC is a bit of a sh*thole as far as cities go 😂 maybe people in TD2 just decided to skedaddle 😂

sick lantern
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the armed forces as a whole are generally fucked, people dying/going awol, no logistics, no communications

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it hasn’t really been touched on yet, so these are educated guesses

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presumably if there are any meaningful groups left they’re holed up in their bases and forts

novel pike
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i mean most of the military assets were grabbed by the Sons weren'tr they ?

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or at least parts anyway

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say what you wnt but compared to the outcasts and hyena's Sons were pretty organised but that's likely the excisting infrastructure/hierarchy and all that and the military training....that accounts for a lot 😂

solemn sentinel
novel pike
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aaaaah

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that's one of the reasons i'm looking forward to the idea of heartland

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DC NY big cities heartland is gonna be in bumfrack nowhere or something 😂 I WANT BUGGIES OR VEHICLES \o/

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or just the mid west. either way smaller cities but i'm hoping for some Wildlands/Breakpoint style nature and what not

solemn sentinel
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XD yeah that would be cool

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also I have yet to encounter the black tusks but it feels like their army is stupidly huge XDD

novel pike
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Think less army and more special forces. Or at least better than yr average joe

solemn sentinel
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true

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black tusk likly also have members from other nations given they are a PMC

novel pike
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First time i got to deal with tuskies was a hoot.

Wasn't sed to gettiing downed...and then double tapped in the chest with a shotgun

solemn sentinel
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ah

novel pike
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Yeah. PMC is the right term

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Lots of former militaryandlaw enforcement

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You focus on main missions and leveling and i'll take you through some of the manhunts lter. Can help with NY as well once you get that level

solemn sentinel
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epic

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i will try and play it tomorrow and hope that it ddoes not black screen again and freezes

novel pike
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might need to check some settings

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start with DX 12 --> DX 11 😛

solemn sentinel
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DX? i always thought it was the internent conncetion

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then that makes no sense as i barely lag when I am not crashing

novel pike
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ah ok

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well ya nver know dx 12->12 solved some frame issues for me if i recall

solemn sentinel
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ah

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well my issue is just really random black screen freezes

novel pike
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that sounds like Video/Graphic issue tbh

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not connection

solemn sentinel
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huh

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man Geforce did't help at all on that part :/

novel pike
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Does it ever? And i say that rocking an rtx 3060

solemn sentinel
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huh

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Man if only we could get our own warhounds

novel pike
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ay yo don't even joke about that man

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....i want that idea

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but more feline I WANT A ROBOTIC JAGUAR WITH A MINIGUN

tulip patio
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they even do it in the second manhunt but it's just for a specific little part

novel pike
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haha

solemn sentinel
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Aww

novel pike
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Btw Toklis. I made something earlier. Check the fanart and photomode channel above this one

solemn sentinel
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Yo that looks cool

novel pike
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soooo SHD's color is orange.....what would be a good color to do as a bordering for black tusk

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red?blue ?

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i can't decide XD

solemn sentinel
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black

novel pike
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well yeah i got the Black Tusk logo in black atm

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but i wanna do a border as well maybe

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i just slapped it next to it haha

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you online atm Toklis ? i'm boreed and i feel like murking stuff 😄

solemn sentinel
novel pike
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Ah

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Aet ye graphic settings to low/nid and go from there. But the dx12-> 11 might work. And lowering particle details

solemn sentinel
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ye hopefully

novel pike
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Any luck?

solemn sentinel
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unsure

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gonna look on it tomorrow

novel pike
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Booooo

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🤣

solemn sentinel
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XDd sorry i got other stuff to do XD

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tonight

novel pike
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double BOOOOO

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ah hell good time for me to try out dark tide post-release

solemn sentinel
novel pike
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time to murk some heretics

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PURGE THE UNCLEAN

solemn sentinel
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have fun

novel pike
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and i just realized....we need to see if we can......Strategically Transfer Equipment to an Alternate Location.

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namely our inventory

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we need Mk. 19's

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prefereably vehicle mounted

round sinew
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I put time into perfecting a specific build and none of the specializations really apply to skill builds in general

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Though I guess it isn't too surprising since MSV really doesn't seem to want you relying too heavily on skills.

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At least in endgame

cursive tapir
round sinew
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I like da drones

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My skills are the turret and the drone.

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Give me, as a specialty, a third robot

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One that can't be countered by Hunters and actually scratches enemies.

cursive tapir
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as for the next manhunt target, I'd be surprised if it's Sokolova or McManus. That would be a lot of plot progression if so. Didn't the seasonal roadmap say our next target would be someone called Stovepipe?

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Yeah Season 11 says New Target: Stovepipe. Whoever that is

languid wing
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we havent heard much from mc manus these past few weeks

solemn sentinel
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do the Cleaners and Outcasts have recruits? since it feels like given their lore and goals they would not really expcet new recruits expcet for a few expections in like rouge agents taking command of them

languid wing
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Even then they were hesitant on letting rogues have command over em

ashen jungle
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If you look into each faction's lore+goal, then it's easier to see how they might gain new recruits.
e.g. someone too crazy for the Hyena's might go for the Outcasts, since their primary goal is basically just "burn everyone else".

Cleaners are a little more noble (in goal not execution) and thus tend to attract the more fanatical types. Their goal is to end the Green Poison, by any means necessary.

Rogue Agents are another matter entirely, they've always been a little wonky lore-wise. It's best to think of them as wild-cards.

languid wing
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Rogue agents are a factions trump cards

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The only reason the cleaners accepted Conley was cause she was working closely with Joe and when Joe died they let her take over

ashen jungle
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Not exactly true, Conley has a fair bit more lore to her than "working with Ferro".

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she was almost rejected from the SHD candidates due to an obsessive personality, she found out her family all died to Green Poison after she was trapped inside the DZ when it was ordered closed, so she "went mad and did what she had to in order to survive" while inside. She was eventually found buried under rubble by Cleaners who broke in, and they rescued her.

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She only joined the Cleaners after a meeting with Ferro, and this was well before she ever met Keener is his super-villain role.

languid wing
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James took over the rikers as well as he did throw the keys to Barrett and when she died he decided to take up her spot idk why

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Ig the rikers owe James for freeing them I remember a comm saying cone stop by we owe you one

ashen jungle
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His post was to guard Riker's Island, he was angry at the JTF+co, then freed Barret before leaving himself.

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He was invited to be the leader because Duchess (big time leader of Rikers) saw him freeing Barrett.

languid wing
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He shot the warden as well

ashen jungle
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He's probably the least interesting of the "big 4".

languid wing
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Theo was a good kid just paranoid and all about conspiracys

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And keener took advantage of that

ashen jungle
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I take it back, Theo's way worse.

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His dad died of Green Poison and Keener worked that into Theo helping him into gassing dozens of innocent people and making enough chemical weapons to kill thousands more.

languid wing
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Javier just wanted revenge for being left for dead in the DZ so he wanted tk take out everyone he held responsible

solemn sentinel
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yeah

languid wing
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He also made Theo make the rogue network ANNA

solemn sentinel
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what about the rouge agents that showed up in the manhunts besides Lau?

languid wing
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Well bardons rogues were just getting annoying for him as they were very demandy

ashen jungle
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Hornet is a throwback from div1, Jupiter is just a murderer and we don't know that much about her, Schaeffer is on-going, .

languid wing
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Jupiter also wanted to give every rogue nation wide tech that would make non rogue tech useless

solemn sentinel
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Schaeffer is not even a rouge one tho

ashen jungle
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He's the target of a Manhunt, that's enough.
tbh, the Rogues were never all that interesting for me, I hope they get away from that storyline for a while.

languid wing
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well these last season ans this season have been true sons and BT and im assuming next season will most likely be BT

sick lantern
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I agree, I’ve been happy with the new stuff

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it’s like season 3 of a show with Bardon as the only link between the cast or something

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xd

languid wing
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Bardon ain't waking up anytime soon and I think the story might end when he wakes up and spills Intel on nat

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I doubt we will be able to go after mc manus

sick lantern
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not waiting another whole ass season for Bardon to wake up 💀

languid wing
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Bardon most likely will wake up Y5

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Or end of S11

novel pike
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is it bad that i don't feel all to sorry for Espinoza ?

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i mean dude got caught by friggin hyena's bro. either nhe wasn't good enough to run solo...or he got in over his head

novel pike
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Okay okay. Hear me out.... instead of a sidearm......throwing axes. Which you unlock after killing a hunter or loot them off them or something

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But they also serve as Melee replacement

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Maybe add a machete for the HF set as well for a laugh

paper adder
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Nah brah, ain't nobody taking my Regulus

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Here's my take on Hunters however. We don't know a whole lot about them, do we? There are several theories as to who they may be but what if- Hunters are recruited by the same agency, the SHD, but a different branch. Hunters are put in place to keep an eye out on SHD Agents, and, if necessary, show them the price of weakness. I know this don't make much sense, but. There is always a passive Hunter with you on the map, watching, always just a little bit out of reach. If you disturb him, he'll run away. Hunter's don't generally seek a fight with you, except when you spawn them, which, i don't know if those specific ones are canon, and in Countdown. My tinfoil hat theory is that Hunters are standard SHD agents just from different branch of regular SHD Agents as we are, being in place to keep Agents always in the best possible shape they can be. Sure you could argue with Rogue Agents, and them taking side with whatever your enemy is in Countdown, but - idk i haven't thought that far.

languid wing
late void
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haven't earned their own deployable skills yet, have to rely on hacking agents'

languid wing
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The hunters watching us are mc manuses

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Well they probably need to prove em selves

novel pike
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what about hunters being what Special Forces are to Regular army. like Kim said, a special branch.

Keep the agenmts on their toes and in good shape. you'll dfefinitely try to keep up a better standard if you know there's hunters out there looking for you - but not why just that they do

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i could get behind that

tulip patio
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seems rather redundant to have all this effort put into watching SHD agents when they could all instead go and do something useful

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rather than let DC get taken and collaborating with Black Tusk

languid wing
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Well they take orders from Mc manus so maybe he wants them watching us

surreal umbra
languid wing
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there called watchers they can usually be found on rooftops and if you approach them they vanish they are non hostile

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you can kill em but you have to be really quick and the loot they drop aint anything special

surreal umbra
#

I had no idea

languid wing
#

and iirc you can tell they are nearby when your screen flickers

surreal umbra
#

That's actually scary as shit

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Can't even imagine the flicker going off at night in the dark

languid wing
#

it happens for like a milasecond

surreal umbra
#

Like looking up and seeing a figure with watches and a ballistic mask and shit I'd be gone

paper adder
#

i had have a considerable luck encountering them after a open world random event, like a hostage situation ot broadcast

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Either randomly on rooftops or slowly wandering nearby open buildings

solemn sentinel
#

what happend to our agents from the divsion 1? is it just up to us to decide what happend to them?

paper adder
#

gone rogue, most likely

solemn sentinel
#

Damn

sick lantern
solemn sentinel
# sick lantern never stated

got cha, so in ones own mind your agent in TD2 could just be your own one from TD1 even tho that would fall more into headcanon

sick lantern
#

yea

languid wing
solemn sentinel
#

And got cha

languid wing
#

hence why in 2 my agent dont trust em civies

novel pike
#

interesting.

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a healthy dose of paranoia can keep you alive pretty well hehe

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that reminds me y'all seen those videos of the division origins or something ? or the one with the 2 dudes and the woman in that little appartment ?

sick lantern
#

the short series created officially by Corridor Digital

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I’ve watched a bit of it

paper adder
#

I've seen most of them

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I believe Division universe would make for a nice series

#

you know as in live series

sick lantern
#

they’re making a movie so

novel pike
solemn sentinel
#

yo channel got renamed?

novel pike
#

they need to get Jon Bernthal into it just cause. XD

#

ya know i've been wondering. why hasn't anyone taken the time/effort to make the Castle Settlement habitable again.....surely the chemical shit dissipated after a while, or can be cleaned up ?

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makes we wonder if the movie wiell be in NY or DC during divi 1 or 2.....so many options

sick lantern
#

that was relatively recent but considering it was announced before div 2 came out, that was probably the plan the whole time

sick lantern
solemn sentinel
paper adder
novel pike
#

She makes a point. Suppose as an army ranger chemical attacks aren't new to her anyway

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....sure as hell pissed her off tho. Angry kelso is scary, but focused kelso

paper adder
#

both Kelso and Manny hella sus

novel pike
#

Manny is sus from the get gfo with his little figures for the board.

#

like bro look around and make do 😂

novel pike
novel pike
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No idea where else to put this....but hot dang if it doesn't ring true for this game

#

Oh wait. Wrong channel

sick lantern
#

@idle matrix
you'd think the fact that in the same season we killed Natalya's half brother and the daughter of the co-founder of D+H, and the fact that they were both unactivated Division agents, would be brought up

idle matrix
#

yea i dont remember that at all

surreal hearth
#

Hey

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A new NGN video finally here I want to put it for those that are more speculative regarding to the final manhunt mission

sick lantern
#

F F S
my copy of The Art of The Division was supposed to arrive today at the latest but they haven’t even dispatched it yet

surreal hearth
#

Natalya is definitely buying power somewhere

tame marsh
novel pike
languid wing
#

So I'm seeing alot of santa agents im assuming there not here to deliver presents? 🤣

#

Only gift they gonna give is lead

novel pike
#

they are here to deliver gifts

#

the best gift

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in the best box. THE FOREVER BOX \o/

slim light
#

yes

languid wing
#

Just got done reading the division recruited the roamers are a very interesting Faction

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I wish they would expand more on them in game

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Do they expand more on them in any other media besides the 1 book?

surreal hearth
#

I’ve been watching NGN regarding to the lore about these roamers

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They are some kind of former truckers wearing apocalypse gear and heavily armored trucks?

languid wing
#

Yea and they are lead by a rogue

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Well I shouldn't say lead shes using em

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I'm glad he didn't spoil the book too much

#

Very good book I recommend

languid wing
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But they took matter into thier own hands

surreal hearth
#

It’s amazing how the division universe expands a lot of many factions that have divided the entire nation

languid wing
#

Basically iirc the friegties control tnr southern routes and the roamers control the eastern routes

surreal hearth
#

And these roamers are probably a group of raider types using madmax inspired trucks

#

And lead by a rogue agent means big trouble

languid wing
#

She also controls some outcasts iirc

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And has some green poison

surreal hearth
#

Green poison is almost useless thanks to the DC divisions

languid wing
#

Yea but what she has planned it could be bad for us

surreal hearth
#

I can take a guess she be going after keeners eclipse virus

languid wing
#

If you watched his video or read the book yoi would know

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Us agents have an advantage that being Issac who can link with satellites and feed us info

#

Plus we do have superior tech to most factions besides the BT and rogues

#

Rogues have the same tech as us

#

The rogues we encounter are just roaming

#

I'm actually curious if any other rogues across the country are leading other factions I'd assume so

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I mean a Faction eith rogues has a advantage against other factions

novel pike
#

what's the book's title ? 😮

#

i might just have to look it up for a giggle

languid wing
#

The division: recruited

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It's actually a very good book

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For once a book actually kept me reading it until the end

novel pike
#

i read a lot of fanfiction these days tho i'm pretty picky.....waits for silent judgement tho i do have a whole bunch of novels physically. some stephen king, terry pratchett, Patrick Roufuss Alien novels, LotR trilogy and a bunch of Warhammer 40k Audiobooks and e-books

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i'm honestly annoyed i didn't realise this sooner 😂

languid wing
#

I don't even delve into fan fiction ik how weird they can get

novel pike
#

YOOOO THERE'S AN AUDIOBOOK

languid wing
#

Fan fictions are something I don't touch

novel pike
#

yeah i'm quite picky..... i like small deviations that end up making big changes or just big changes but stick with the general story. even some weird crossovers that can get quite....entertaining

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hehe fair fair 😛 to each their own 😄

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ay yo i'm hitting up that audiobook rn

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there's more than 1 book btw

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something called Hearts on Fire

languid wing
#

Ouuu I'll check it out later

novel pike
#

if you want the audiobook i can see if i can send it through disc

languid wing
#

I wanna know what happens to the roamera and what becomes of that rogue

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I like when thr division delve into other parts of the universe its funt to learn how other states are doing and what is left out there

novel pike
#

mmhmmm

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yeah i agree i was binging some wh 40k audiobooks earlier this month and it's quite nice to get some perspective on certain characters

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anyways. i got both on my hdd for the division audiobooks if you want 'm

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they're like <300 MB each

languid wing
#

I'm curious how Florida is doing 🤔I'm curious if the Florida men are still going strong in the division universe 😂

novel pike
languid wing
#

I bet you rogues won't even touch Florida men

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I can see rogues just avoiding them

novel pike
#

rogues and even hunters be like...nah mate i'll take a block around i ain't dealing with this bullshit today

languid wing
#

Imagine your a agent just walking through then you see a army of Florida men charging you wyd?

novel pike
#

i mean

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unless i'm carrying a Bullet King.......

sick lantern
languid wing
#

They got the guy who tried to use an army of turtles to take over a town

novel pike
#

😂

#

tell you what

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if my agent has Golden Bullet and her minigun with her? LET'S GOOOOOOOOOO :KEK:

languid wing
languid wing
#

Those Damm underground and thier poop knives

languid wing
#

Sip some tea check the weather

tame marsh
novel pike
sick lantern
surreal hearth
#

Aside from agents being hunters themselves and now with this alliance such as true sons now merged onto the black tusk rank

languid wing
#

i dont think agents are the hunters

surreal hearth
#

Things will get real interesting and who knows maybe these trucker factions would play a part in the nations

languid wing
#

there was a theory long ago that said that hunters were first wave agents

surreal hearth
#

Yeah but that became a theory until McManus

languid wing
#

another was they were russian spec ops

surreal hearth
#

Yeah and people are also speculating that they are keener loyalists

languid wing
#

well if they are keener loyalist why do they target rogues that are most lilkly affliated with keener in some way

surreal hearth
#

Unfortunately most of these were toned down after revealing cal McManus

surreal hearth
languid wing
#

hunters are a seperate faction and mc manus loans them out to nat

surreal hearth
#

They are mostly division 2.0 or the hidden third wave

languid wing
#

but hes been awful quiet these past weeks

surreal hearth
#

He’s been instantly quite ever since the Bonney test

languid wing
#

wait wasnt 1 of the previous rogues not activated so people thought she was the 3rd wave ?

#

i forget her name

surreal hearth
#

After Faye lau betrayal she recruited ex-division agents onto the black tusk

#

These agents were never activated

#

But some speculated that they were about to be “test subjects” for this so called hunter program by cal McManus

languid wing
#

but it was stated that cal dosent like agents hence why he chose bonney

surreal hearth
#

That’s right

languid wing
#

he had plenty of rogues to choose from but chose bonney

surreal hearth
#

Cal seems to know more serious knowledge about the hunter program but can only be done if your not a rogue nor division agent

languid wing
#

bonney was 1 of the 2 last surviving BTSU operatives left

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the other being bardon

surreal hearth
#

No kidding bardon was extremely spooked about how deep Natalya keep buying off the book power outside the black tusk infrastructures

languid wing
#

bonney imo was the weakest of the btsu operatives

surreal hearth
#

Cal believes he’s useful for the program

languid wing
#

to be fair we really didnt see him in combat till lewis prime mission

surreal hearth
#

Lewis didn’t just joined true sons to kill agents because it’s a suicide mission

#

Fred was actually investigating a serious hidden power

languid wing
#

most true sons will not be able to go toe to toe with 1 agent in a fair fight unless they had numbers even then it still would not be easy

surreal hearth
#

Powers that not even the division nor rogues were aware of

#

True sons are merely sub divided after rigdeway was killed

languid wing
#

i feel later in the story mc manus will become a key figure rn hes probs watching this unfold

#

from the shadows]

surreal hearth
#

The black tusk has the power of the true sons but we still have two keys now

languid wing
#

we have fred and whatever true sons followed him

surreal hearth
#

Not just Fred and his defectors

languid wing
#

is the other bardon?

surreal hearth
#

We still have bardon

languid wing
#

he wont be waking up anytime soon imo

surreal hearth
#

Bardon is already ex-black tusk

languid wing
#

and im sure nat will attempt to silence bardon as she knows hes a gold mine of sensitive info

surreal hearth
#

Nah she’ll be too busy playing with her new toys of true sons for Christmas this year as she said to herself you can’t be in many places all at once

languid wing
#

i say just get a AC130 and destroy those hovercraft problem solved

surreal hearth
#

She’s is confirmed that she runs the sokolov concerns manufacturing company

languid wing
#

would of been cool if we got to board her hovercraft and fight our way to anderson

surreal hearth
#

We humans are extremely crafty after all

languid wing
#

i say just board her hovercraft fight our way to them and kill them both problem solved

surreal hearth
#

Wasn’t that done already with wyvern?

languid wing
#

yea but it be cool if it was in the middle of the storm at the end of the anderson misson

#

only prob we would have is those 2 other hovercraft

#

kinda like that 1 mission in the first modern warfare

surreal hearth
#

A handful of us vs the hundreds maybe thousands of those hovercrafts?

#

We are talking about an upstate of black tusk fleets

languid wing
#

yea but if we managed to get to nat and took her hostage i doubt they would fire on us if they knew she was our hostage

#

nat is the brains behind the BT without her they will not be as a bog threat they would be disorganized

novel pike
#

Oh. The outcasts have taken over the zoo again? Hol' up....JOHNSON. LOAD THE 120MM SHELLS

KRR CHUNK

EXPLOSION

well. That's a bunch of land they won't be using for a while

hardy oar
languid wing
#

Parnell was just paranoid

#

He was a conspiracy nut

#

Each of keeners LTs were manulapited in some way javier wanted revenge against those who left him to die in the DZ parnell wanted to find out the truth about his father's death Vivian just wanted to carry on Joe's legacy and James is James keener user these facts to get them to work with him promising stuff that would help each of them complete thier personal things

#

I will say this about Keener he was an expert manipulator

novel pike
#

oh yeah

#

yeah manipulators are scary sometimes, having one that's not jsut good at manipulation but also to make it work for them (the people like conley etc) and still get his OWN shit ahead yoooo

#

keener was scary smart....and i would say when they mentioned he was one of , if not the best agent that SHD had before..........they were likely not blowing it out of proportion heheh

languid wing
#

He was also slippery

#

Gose to show thar you can use people's goals against them and manipulate them

#

Well keener was our biggest threat besides cal and nat but at that time we didn't know who nat was

languid wing
#

Was watching a ngn video and apparently the black tusk are working with the roamers 👀

#

Were*

surreal hearth
#

That would explain the ridiculous supplies of arsenal they keep getting at and yet we raid, steal, and kill black tusk for those supplies

sick lantern
#

I finally got the urge to read New York Collapse

#

and I have solved a puzzle of my own accord

#

yay

sick lantern
#

“we know for certain that tsunamis don’t always come from expected places, The famous Lisbon earthquake of 1755...” Assassin’s Creed Rogue reference?

#

“It is also possible that the loss of Arctic ice packs will flex the Earth’s crust and cause more seismic activity in the North Atlantic.” these have gotta be cheeky references to the earthquakes in AC Rogue

#

ah page 35 I think I remember where to find this one in game

#

Timeline info: “[11th of December]: There’s part of Midtown shutting down. Completely. ... Today the police and National Guard started putting up barricades + blaring warning over loudspeakers” So they started building the DZ on 11/12

#

freddieart dot com? well I hope Freddie E. Williams II was glad to make a sketch for this book

languid wing
tame marsh
#

New division book comes out tomorrow

sick lantern
#

thought it was already out in the US

tame marsh
#

Maybe. Does Amazon sell all books a week late? It’s that way for comics.

surreal hearth
#

That’s a lot to unpack

sleek plover
#

So Roamers are a new faction in div 3i guess

#

maybe they can absorb rikers and Hyenas within their ranks, and form a large scale criminal black market syndicate

#

Alsp cleaners isnt likely to give up as well

novel pike
#

Rikers and outcasts are kinda on the outs right? Same for hyena's. Tho at least the hyena's had a lot of "officers" but still not as good a structure as say the Sons.

I really should get into the Recruited book to learn morenon the roamers xD. But they seem interesting......and i hipe there will be stuff like truck convoys to capture or something.

sick lantern
#

because they do operate in the central US, the “heartland”

cursive tapir
#

Yeah I have a feeling the Crossroads novels are setting up our enemy factions for Heartlands

sick lantern
#

the second one is set on the Gulf Coast so it’s... semi plausible actually

cursive tapir
#

Yup, plus they’re setting up their scavengers/zealots/militia trio

Scavengers - Rioters, Hyenas, Roamers

Zealots - Cleaners, Outcasts, Reclaimers (I think that's what the eco terrorists were called?)

Militia - LMB, True Sons, Molossi

sick lantern
#

idk who the factions are, book's not out yet

cursive tapir
#

Came out two weeks ago! At least in the US

#

Reclaimers (I think that's what they were called) are a bunch of ||primitivist eco-terrorists||, the Molossi ||are a militia made up of former army vets who are trying to muscle in on guarding the oil refineries/Freighty convoys so as to control the region||

glad spruce
#

We still don't know what the gameplay loop of Heartland is gonna be about, right?

sick lantern
#

well if you have any spoilers mark them please :<

cursive tapir
#

My assumption from the trailer footage, which had clouds of red smoke everywhere, is that Eclipse is gonna be the "ring" or the thing that makes sections of the map impassable for the battle royale element

cursive tapir
cursive tapir
glad spruce
#

Thanks for the info, mate

tame marsh
#

By the current time, is the Green Poison been cured? They are working on a cure in game 1 and in the first book, Broken Dawn, but is it ever actually made and distributed? Or is anyone remaining just considered naturally immune at this point?

cursive tapir
#

So the cure from Broken Dawn is the same Broad Spectrum Antivirals from Div 2. We have Vtaly Tchernenko and the perfusion reactor, and the antivirals, so in theory we should be manufacturing the cure and distributing it to the settlements.

#

That being said, green poison kinda burned itself out before the start of Div2 because without the infected dollar bills it kills its hosts too fast for them to spread it to others. So I think it's definitely a backburner priority

#

Plus I don't think the antivirals work on Eclipse

tame marsh
#

Thanks. I haven’t played D2 yet. Glad that it’s part of the plot.

novel pike
glad spruce
#

When's next season? I'm hungry for more story

paper vale
glad spruce
#

Hope early 2023 doesn't mean February or March

stray spruce
languid wing
#

would division count as special forces? or black ops? i doubt they count as blackops as BOPs do the very dirty work

light estuary
#

@languid wing one would say Division is a Special Forces unit in real life

languid wing
#

i figured

#

no way they are black ops

stray spruce
#

I’ve always thought about the SHD as a federal agency. A thinly but properly spread one, but a federal agency.

languid wing
#

True but they arnt active unless directive 51 is activated

#

Even then they are usually split into cells of 4 but usually as lone wolf's

#

Each agent must be able to function solo and without the aid of other people

#

And as Isaac becomes more strict on what the rules are its easy to be flagged as rogu

#

And let's be honest more agents are really beginning to doubt the division

stray spruce
#

So what do you think it is in its current status?

languid wing
#

Well we have no leader we are kinda operating on our guts

#

We are directionless

#

We kinda do our own things

stray spruce
#

I mean, technically Faye Lau was the Commander of the SHD in Manhattan, but she just went rogue; so we iced her.

languid wing
#

Now we have no one

#

I dont count Manny as our leader

stray spruce
#

You saying we’re no less than any other faction?

#

Spread out, scattered, leaderless?

languid wing
#

Technically yes but we are still a powerful Faction due to our skills id say we are top 3

stray spruce
#

I’d assume the SHD would also fall under the US Government, of course; so you could just say they’re a unit consisting of the best in every agency.

#

It would only make some sense after all.

languid wing
#

Our only real threat is the black tusk

stray spruce
#

Yeah; but we’re whipping their ass too.

languid wing
#

The other Factions without thier leaders are just there

stray spruce
#

Yeah.

languid wing
#

Yea but BT have rogues and hunters in thier ranks and I think true sons also have rogues in thier ranks

stray spruce
#

Wait; Hunters?

#

You’re telling me the damn HUNTERS work under BT?

languid wing
#

Yea mc manus loans out hunters to the BT the hunters answer to mc manus and nat and mc manus aew in cahoots

#

Well idk if they are in cahoots anymore but he dose have operatives undercover in the BT ranks

#

The hunters we encounter in CD are under BT elites

stray spruce
#

Ah

#

Then I’m fucking WAY behind on Hunters lore

#

Last I heard theories were that they were Russian Spec Ops, Rogues, etc.

sick lantern
#

the hunter rogue agent theories never held much water imo

stray spruce
#

Fair

#

Honestly I’d believe it’s more like they’re their own thing made up of both Rogues and non-Rogues in hiding

#

Like the Rogues from Tarkov

#

(They’re USECs and BEARs that banded together.)

#

Not much power behind it for blatant reasons

#

But I got my own theories for everything

sick lantern
languid wing
#

They are a separate unit mc manus doesn't like rogues in his organization

#

So it wouldn't make sense to have rogues as hunters

stray spruce
languid wing
#

Head of homeland security

stray spruce
#

I’m too boomer and anti-D2 Fuddpilled to know abt him ngl

#

I despise D2 Zoomerbois

#

Anyways

languid wing
#

Basically mc manus is rogue now

sick lantern
#

well they finally made the div 2 lore remotely interesting

stray spruce
#

Kill the traitor

languid wing
#

We don't know what he looks like or where he's hiding probably won't for a while

stray spruce
#

I dunked on Keener’s bois twice already why can’t I dunk on McManus

#

😤

languid wing
#

Because he has hunters protecting him and wr don't even know where he is hiding

stray spruce
#

Also how the hell did Thorn or whoever the black guy that lead those Outcasts survive the several mag-dumps I delivered to his temple

languid wing
#

For all we know he could be hiding under thr Whitehouse as ik the Whitehouse has tunnels underneath

stray spruce
#

I sprayed him with a house he couldn’t have lived

stray spruce
#

I mean, the Metro is a thing

sick lantern
stray spruce
#

Probably flooded though, cus big boi Hurricane

#

So not much wiggle room

languid wing
#

We killed hornet once keener brought him back to life and he came back in TD2 for revenge

stray spruce
#

He was brought back to life how

#

Defibs wouldn’t make sense, logically and realistically speaking

#

Eclipse kills shit

#

Maybe Revive protocol or whatever?

#

The medical wing protocol

#

I mean; it triggers on fatal injury

sick lantern
#

Keener and some other rogue who was never seen or heard from in Div 1 swooped in just after we left and saved him when he was critically wounded, something like that

stray spruce
#

So they saved him when he was on the brink of death?

sick lantern
#

think so

stray spruce
#

I’m not gonna lie that gaslit me in the first half

languid wing
#

Yep and he came back with a vengeance only to be put down a 2nd time but for good

stray spruce
#

And then promptly mag dumped several times

#

His corpse has been vandalized severely and beyond recognition

#

Fuckin traitor got what he deserved

languid wing
stray spruce
#

So the person who saved him is dead too?

languid wing
#

1 of the previous rogues had medical training

stray spruce
#

Fucks sake

languid wing
#

We killed that rogie I think in S3

stray spruce
#

Also don’t call them Rogues; call them Traitors

sick lantern
#

well that’s implicit

stray spruce
#

((I am a very strict loyalist to the SHD

languid wing
#

I've disavowed the division

#

Time to go solo

novel pike
#

XD

sleek plover
#

I started my own faction of french revolution themed anarchists and rioters

mint citrus
#

Do they have a guillotine

tepid ibex
#

Asking the real questions

novel pike
#

Nooo no. Coop's on to something here

#

Remember. If your enemy is scared of you they're less likely to attack you ....hopefully....

sleek plover
mint citrus
#

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

sleek plover
brittle star
#

I think virus is of no longer a concern just outside parties trying to overthrow government using crazy tech and brainwash americans to their cause is main thing to deal for division ?

gaunt ice
#

yes,yes they are

mint citrus
#

I'm lookinf forwards to potentially fighting the ||Roamers|| in all honesty

novel pike
#

Right?

sick lantern
sleek plover
mint citrus
#

I live, I die, I live again

novel pike
torpid pond
#

When does heather lau get killed? After div1 or before/during div1?

ivory solar
#

After

novel fog
#

Are any of the novels good?

sick lantern
novel fog
#

What about the world book? Is that good?

sick lantern
#

it's pretty fun

novel fog
#

Awesome!

tame marsh
#

Broken Dawn was good as well, the only slow parts focus on some children survivors, but the good parts focus on April, the writer of New York Collapse

#

I’m currently rereading the “Art of” book, and will reread the World of book next

sick lantern
#

i have broken dawn but haven’t read it yet

median gulch
sick lantern
#

still over a month away for the UK release
if I pre order the book and amazon prime runs out before then, what happens? 🤔

#

(I only have amazon prime this month cus i forgor to cancel after a free trial)

merry peak
#

Any plans for new content for Div 1? big fan of Div 2 but The original is something else, would be great to see some updates to bring players back to the game.

sick lantern
vestal saddle
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Is there any news on the division heartland??

upbeat timber
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I can’t wait any longer to play heartland again. I enjoyed playing the closed test

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Couple months away… meh 😒, to long

sleek plover
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I wonder who the enemies are there

sick lantern
sick lantern
strange fiber
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what was the enemies doing before we get there cause tbh it feels weird we go through and kill everyone and all they are doing is standing around waiting for us yk

glad spruce
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Hyenas were supplied by Black Tusk and they were causing chaos

True Sons were controlling their territories and killing off anyone who resist them.

Outcasts, in their nihilistic fanaticism, spread death to every corner on D.C, blaming everyone for their suffering

ivory solar
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And black tusk were killing agents while staying quiet but when we got here they went into straight hiding mode

languid wing
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not just killing but recruiting as well

sick lantern
raw yew
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Will heartlands be like ghost recon where you can drive?

sick lantern
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unlikely, it’s set in a small town not a large open region

raw yew
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That’s unfortunate

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Would be cool to have an open world survival division game

main onyx
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@stray spruce think you might wanna see this as well

cursive tapir
sick lantern
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so I was skimming through the Heartland developer intro trailer and
"Cloaking Projectors"???

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Stealth Camouflage? 🔫🐍

fringe gale
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something bird like im sure

ivory solar
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So this is a topic I talked about a while back, but I don’t think people understand what I meant. What I don’t get is how the first wave, and agents of the second wave, would become rogue.
So the many agents of the first wave became rogue because the government abandoned them. If they are rogue that means the rogue protocol has been activated. But the thing is how, and why the rogue protocol was made. The first wave going rogue was not expected, and even unknown (unless we look at a plot hole where the government potentially knew of the first wave going rogue but covered it up to the second wave). The agents that were selected were looked at to see if they were loyal. But why was the rogue protocol, and even manhunt status, even thought of if the agents were never expected to go rogue?
Now we can just say the government thought of an agent not doing what they are supposed to be doing (and the rules that agents must follow are very unclear, but that is another topic), but we can also create different theories. Obviously the first wave was abandoned on purpose. But what if we say they were intended to be abandoned from the start? Now we start going down a rabbit hole of the government being the supposedly bad people (but from what this game has shown, the lines between good and bad are very unclear, if there are any).
Now this is just one of the many plot holes that have been made. But it is something I believe needs to be looked at. Even if the first wave did what we qualify as rogue today, they still wouldn’t be classified as rogue if the rogue protocol was never made. So why was the protocol even made? And why are the objectives for Division agents very unclear and misleading?

cursive tapir
cursive tapir
# ivory solar So this is a topic I talked about a while back, but I don’t think people underst...

Well, at the end of the day, the Division is, on paper, a hit squad who answers only to the President. Regardless of what side of the political aisle you fall, that's a horrifying idea. So I don't think it's a plot hole to say "Homeland Security developed ISAC, and the Rogue Flagging system, as a way of holding agents accountable without the President having to personally sign off on every single action they take". Now, how the hell does ISAC evaluate whether an agent has gone off-base? Great question, and one I would like to see answered in more detail.

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I will say that it's bizarre that Ellis's agents are flagged as rogues and we get flagged as loyal even as we go in to arrest him. Even weirder is that ISAC changes Fae's status back to loyal after she kills Ellis. Like, yeah Ellis is a bad guy, but on paper he's still our boss. This implies that ISAC has a comprehension of morality that supercedes his core programming, which is WILD in its implications.

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I'm not sure why you think the government never considered the idea of agents going rogue. That's possibly what the Hunters are for dealing with, after all. I think perhaps you're getting that impression because Division agents viewed themselves as infallible prior to Keener, but that's not the same as the people in the government who pulled the strings to get everything set up in the first place.

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After all, we know that there are plenty of people in the US govt who knew was Amherst was up to, and let it happen in an attempt to seize power for themselves later via Black Tusk. It could well be that the Division was gonna be the conspirators' first attempt to create a high-tech hit squad who answers only to them through a puppet president, but other people implemented ISAC and Rogue flagging later down the line, meaning they had to go with Black Tusk as Plan B.

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But yes, the rules and regs of what agents are and are not allowed to get away with before being Rogue Flagged are very vague (see my above point regarding Ellis's "rogues"), and I agree that should be cleaned up. Like, did someone hack into ISAC and reprogram him or something?

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The meta reason for why the rules governing agents are so vague is because the game wants to be both a looter-shooter and also a grimdark grounded post-apoc story, so it needs to simultaneously create moral justifications for mowing down hundreds of bad guys while also trying to present the enemy factions as morally gray and shaped by various different idealogies, which...backfires, fairly frequently. So they can't afford to go into too much detail about what agents are or are not allowed to do because we as the players always need to appear to be the good guy.

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Like okay, perfect example: In real life, 85% of Rikers inmates are pre-trial defendants, meaning that legally speaking, they have not yet actually been found guilty of a crime. And Rikers's real-life history of some pretty severe abuses of power by guards is nothing to sneeze at. So, in a Green Poison situation where getting locked up in Rikers is basically a death sentence due to contamination/supply chains breaking down, on top of it already being a hellhole, it's actually pretty reasonable that inmates, most of whom have not yet been convicted, might resort to violent measures to escape. Hell, I know I would do whatever I could to escape in that situation, especially if I was only in there because I'd been wrongly accused of a crime.

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However, the Division as a videogame requires Arkham-Asylum-style bad guys for you to mow down guiltlessly, so the game ends up in this weird inbetween space where the Rikers are simultaneously Batman cartoon villains who want to shoot civilians and hang cops from bridges, but then also James Dragov makes very compelling points about how a lot of people who were locked up in Riker's at the time of the outbreak basically ended up sentenced to death for crimes that 1. don't carry that punishment and 2. they hadn't even been convicted of.

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So yeah, as the Division, are we the baddies and what really differentiates us from rogues at the end of the day? All very unclear

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“are we the baddies?” no

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on the topic of the rikers- the only inmates we fight are yaknow the ones sporting weapons and gang colours who are associating themselves with murderers and rapists and etc. You can’t justify that. As Rick Valassi said, “the harmless ones are gonna head for home”

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even if you have been “abandoned and left to rot in a cell” (even though it was the midst of a crisis and things generally sucked for everyone), there’s not a single good person who’s a member of the Rikers

cursive tapir
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My point is that, IMO, the in-game depiction of what a faction like the Rikers would be versus what would "realistically" happen is a huge gulf, but they don't really commit to either vision one way or another

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I could be explaining this poorly tho

sick lantern
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ur not, blame the game’s writing i suppose

cursive tapir
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Yeah, I think that "Looter shooter but also trying to be morally gray" is where a lot of the vagueries like "What are SHD agents allowed to do before going rogue?" come from

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with the rikers' portrayal being one example of that

kind hare
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I'm loving this questioning of the Rogue Protocol's existence.
Something I've been thinking about for a long time.\

sleek plover
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We have stealth camo now?

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niiiice

sick lantern
misty shore
sick lantern
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there's some theories that they're an offshoot, but in terms of gameplay and as far as we know, they're a different faction

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one would presume they will show up in Descent

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Descent is a sort of roguelite right? they'd be good for the tension

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trying not to lose a good run to a chainsaw, hiding and seeing the lights over your cover

rancid geyser
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hmm can someone tell me what happen to|| faye lau after we kill her ? pretty sure i miss some lore here||

ashen jungle
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What happens after death is a pretty heavy question, but if you're asking about her body, I'm pretty sure Kelso got it brought back for burial.

late void
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Zombie Cyborg Lau next season target?

rancid geyser
ashen jungle
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@sweet charm One more comment like that and you are gone, no warnings. We clear?

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@rancid geyser I'll mark it as a spoiler in case, but there's lore for you if you want to find it.

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||The tl;dr is that Lau did all that to go undercover and work against the enemy from the inside. ||

rancid geyser
sweet charm
rancid geyser
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Question about Countdown
Why Hunters is there? and after you go to helicopter for extraction why black tusk and hunters show up and seem like they are working together?

cursive tapir
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So yes, they appear to be working together

sick lantern
fringe gale
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bird masks and all

rancid geyser
ivory solar
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Purpose is unknown

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They’re just there because ubi added them for some reason

rancid geyser
languid wing
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all we know is that the hunters work for mc manus and sometimes he loans them out to the black tusk

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also that there are hunters undercover in the black tusk and maybe even the SHD

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undercover operatives

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who knows that agent your fighting alongside could be a hunter?

rancid geyser
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real

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Dont want to work for shd anymore i want to gone rogue or be a hunter

sick lantern
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TIL: Amherst has a copy of New York Collapse on his desk

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Ubi you sly devils

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Makes sense, a man wanting to tear down society would want to know as much as he could about how it'll try to resist his efforts

sleek plover
rancid geyser
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yes

sick lantern
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Apparently there’s a Div reference in ||the new Splinter Cell book||

ivory solar
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Apparently every game has to be tied to splinter cell why ubi just make a new game

tame marsh
sick lantern
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very cool

sick lantern
tame marsh
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Firewall

raw yew
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They’re fine with murder, are they fine with genocide

languid wing
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Hunters are not loyal to keener that theory has been debunked

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There loyal to mc manus

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Hunters hate both rogues and SHD Agents why work with them

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Hunters dont just kill out of thr blue

raw yew
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I was merely basing it off of the survival trailer for division 1

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Plus we never got an explanation for agent Edwards and why they left our agent alive

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Or maybe I missed it, I’m not sure

languid wing
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I guess they kill those they do not deem worthy

raw yew
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I’d agree that they kill us on mission because of countdown and the scenario with dusk being under McMannus’ orders + the hunter assigned to Schaffer yet there’s stalkers that just lurk and disappear when we look at them

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I mean it’s not unlike their presence isn’t known I only just learned when my hud starts having an electrical short there’s one watching me in free roam

languid wing
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Well the hunters on CD are not actually hunters they are baby hunters as whn yoi die to em they say BT elite

ivory solar
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Yeah they are baby hunters they don’t even deploy skills of their own

sick lantern
median gulch
# sleek plover so you would join the forces of oppression?

I think being a Rogue outside of the games could be ambiguous. How many agents were flagged as Rogue for simply prioritizing their families over the public at large? That doesn't necessarily make them a homicidal menace, just overly bad at the job they were originally vetted for.

sick lantern
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with great power comes...

gaunt ice
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…great homicidal urge to obliterate the innocence and destroy NYC

raw yew
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Someone wasn’t there to witness Larae Barret

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That woman had to die

sick lantern
gaunt ice
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

sick lantern
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well yea but i was referring to the people/agents who just give up and go home

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if there are any canonically

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but like i saw one guy somewhere on the discords a few months ago who said if he was activated he’d just stay with his family instead of going and helping like... why even show up mate

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go through all the training and shit and then when you’re needed, just say screw it and stay home?

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bozo behaviour

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if your response to a crisis situation is the be like Joel from TLOU, you probably shouldn’t join an organisation dedicated to doing the opposite of that

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at least the average rogues do something meaningful lmao

ivory solar
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Keener said it best “It is all about power now. Power, and survival”

sick lantern
ivory solar
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Well keener did nothing wrong

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Everyone knows that

raw yew
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There’s also manny who wants more toys from the toy store so he can finish his board of dc

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Keener has abandonment issues …

ashen jungle
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Keener would 100% be running a crypto scam now if Black Friday never happened.

gaunt ice
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not saying that its right or it justifies it,just saying there's a reason

ashen jungle
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That would get you marked as Rogue, killed on site by Agents.
Remember that the "Rogue status" is just "off mission".

gaunt ice
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me sitting in my house watching Netflix before 4 dudes bust into the room and drop me for having a red watch🗿(i hid from military obligation)

ashen jungle
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I mean, yeah that's pretty much it. It's good to remember that this universe is fairly dark in tone.

raw yew
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Noble Squad and those agents ambushed in the subway were true heros …

gaunt ice
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my agent who did their job solo😔

languid wing
sick lantern
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the rikers who killed them all ended up dead so obviously they weren't stronger than the division

languid wing
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Honestly seems like a skill issue to me

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😎

raw yew
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Ah yes having a downed friend being dragged by one of your companions whilst one is covering them and another one scouts ahead is indeed survival of the fittest, the team going down the subway as well, downed friend, one carrying, the other covering…

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Still have to explore the rest of April Kellhers notes

sleek plover
mint citrus
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Are rogues ever captured or brought in alive at all?

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Or is it just Watch Red = Shot in the head regardless of why it happened?

late void
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not technically a rogue, but Schaeffer was bought in alive

ivory solar
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Rogues don’t have to be shot on sight

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So some will not be killed, others will be

sick lantern
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Faye interrogated a captured rogue at one point

raw yew
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Ellis wasn’t an agent but he was “to be arrested”

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Think they killed Faye cause she put up a fight

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Also murder and treason

scarlet canopy
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Why was keener about to launch a bio weapon at his own agents if he was secretly running a network of rogue agents all along?

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Like some of them are in new York or Washington

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Some rogues in the network would be caught in the blast

raw yew
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The division’a motto is basically to save what remains - to survive what happens no matter what…

Keener had a bad run in with the JTF in division 1 which made him go total sociopath … literally watched a JTF soldier get hanged and didn’t even help, he despised JTF for pulling out of the dark zone when there was still people and agents in there - division went against its own motto

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He had a god complex where he believed he was the one capable of rebuilding the future but I think he saw NY as a threat cause they weren’t willing to do what he was

scarlet canopy
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Thx

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He must have been short sighted and impulsive, killing off people in your own network tends to run counterproductive to pursuing your goal

sick lantern
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Keener wasn't directly associated with every rogue agent that existed

scarlet canopy
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He still created the thing didn't he? That's like if Zuckerberg suddenly mass deleted accounts on Facebook willy nilly, including those of staff or promoters

ivory solar
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The rogue agent network just allowed every rogue to be able to communicate with each other, doesn’t mean every rogue was connected to keener. Besides from out knowledge we’ve killed everyone that knows about the rogue network besides ourselves

scarlet canopy
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Kk thx

raw yew
scarlet canopy
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So was activating the rogue network just his contingency plan in place of the missile thingy

raw yew
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Him and Who I presume to be Hornet meet up after the dz and talk about how horrendous it was

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But there’s a cabin he’s in where rikers are attacking and backup isn’t coming cause JTF pulled out of the dz

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So inherently JTF left division to fend for themselves

sick lantern
raw yew
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I think you’re right, we fight scarecrow in that mission… I forget who they torture in the basketball court

sick lantern
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just some agents

raw yew
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It was like a group of 3 right

sick lantern
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they're named but they're just jobbers

sick lantern
raw yew
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Think one of them called him out and he shot them

raw yew
scarlet canopy
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Wtf happened to my message

raw yew
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Now it’s worse cause the rogues aren’t a concern anymore, it’s the hunters, and this relationship with Calvin McManus and Sokolova…

I reran the comms from Ellis, the woman he’s talking to sounds a lot like her

raw yew
scarlet canopy
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Given that he pretty much hands over a reveal that a rogue network exists to the players, I'm suspecting the latter

raw yew
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Last season makes me question 2 things - why did black tusk lose faith in Schaffer? Is it cause of the BTSU messing up?

Galveston and Brenner were probably the only logical ones, same with Sumner,

Delores, Lau, Wyvern all had their own agendas and caused him to fail

We also never see or hear from the black tusk commanding officer after the intro of black tusk

ivory solar
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I think sokolova suspected of his plan with lau

scarlet canopy
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Also is white tusk even canon

ivory solar
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That’s why they didn’t trust him

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White tusk is canon

raw yew
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The second being why is Anderson promoted as such a huge threat but in the cutscene True Sons are just mercenaries for black tusk and Anderson just seems disappointing

scarlet canopy
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Was Faye part of the group that succeeded keener's legacy? I wonder how she felt about being a minute away from dying horrifically to a bioweapon lmao, like word had to spread of what keener tried

raw yew
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He seemed more concerning in season 9, but season 10 is more of a we need you Anderson don’t cut us off, division has control of dc we can give you logistics for your supplies but you owe us… needs extraction and surrenders true sons to Sokolova… Ridgeway would have had the man hung for that

ivory solar
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Lau going rogue was all apart of her plan that we learned of in season 9

scarlet canopy
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Kk thx

ivory solar
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She couldn’t take the black tusk down from the outside

raw yew
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So I do think he was going to hold true to that though but was going to use New York as a demonstration… piss off or else

ivory solar
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Part of me thinks that he would have never launched it

scarlet canopy
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Then why did he provide the enemy with a vital piece of hidden Intel that can help dismantle his legacy, post humously lol - I see hornet apparently succeeded him in a season

raw yew
ivory solar
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His plan may have been to die on liberty island if he couldn’t turn us

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And activate the rogue agent network

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I’m not saying it’s true, but it’s possible

scarlet canopy
sick lantern
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I don't many people but Keener especially, would make a plan that involves them dying

sick lantern
ivory solar
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Lau made a plan that involved herself dying

scarlet canopy
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Like that'll totally convince people that you're the real good guys in this situation against the division

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Commit bio terrorism

ivory solar
raw yew
ivory solar
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Half of his lieutenants didn’t even trust him, they hated him

raw yew
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is the rogue network black tusk 🥲

raw yew
ivory solar
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Black tusk want to do it

scarlet canopy
# ivory solar He needed to keep them in check

No wonder he's a rotting corpse on an island now, all he can do is impulsively manipulate but he clearly doesn't have the capacity to actually lead anything meaningful towards reconstructing society

ivory solar
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Outcasts also did it

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The love bioterrorism

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That’s the whole reason they exist

raw yew
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I doubt black tusk want to do it, what I think they want to do is secure the cure and distribute it to who they see would benefit them… Maze Runner Death cure style

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“We’re gonna keep you alive just enough that you can produce more blood”

ivory solar
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Then why do they want dc-62 samples?

raw yew
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Oh, you may be right then, poppy I think her name was said True Sons lacked inspiration

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And innovation

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It sounds like a lot of these rogue agent types are really short sighted and sociopathic if they claim to turn because division is bad and then commit terrorism, when's the last time there was a Faction that had a good plan for containing the virus or maintaining society? Last man battalion from div1 comes to mind

raw yew
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Cleaners

scarlet canopy
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Wasn the cleaner plan just burn everything

raw yew
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Everything infected

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But if they hadn’t gone after people… they’d have been aight

scarlet canopy
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Last man battalion didn't shoot civilians on sight cuz they were trying to establish a foothold, but cleaners did iirc

ivory solar
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Black tusk also comes to mind. Since you know, they want to establish a new world order which is saving the country. But all factions can be seen as good if looked at in a certain way. Rioters just wanted to fend for themselves

raw yew
scarlet canopy
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I liked the LMB, they were practical

scarlet canopy
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They were less insane than keener who's basically a mad scientist

ivory solar
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Well their investors want to establish a new government but from what we know that’s probably not doing well, outside of dc and new york I bet it is going great though

raw yew
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They executed JTF, cleaners and rikers tho which is unfortunate

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Not that I care for rikers

scarlet canopy
raw yew
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Cleaners I don’t think all of them are bad

scarlet canopy
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Cleaners are insane cultists, Riker are literally escaped convicts, rioters are rioters

ivory solar
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“Cleaners are insane cultists” never heard that before lol

raw yew
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Barrett boiled my anger

ivory solar
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They’re the most beloved faction from what I can tell

raw yew
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Her death was too forgiving imo

ivory solar
scarlet canopy
scarlet canopy
ivory solar
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They remind me of rogue agents, partly because they formed for the same reasons as the rogue agents. They were called in to help save the city, but the jtf abandoned them and decided to save the city on their own terms

scarlet canopy
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But some of the people that went crazy were already a little loopy to begin with lmao

ivory solar
scarlet canopy
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Last man battalion more like no man battalion

ivory solar
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Well they literally fought even after the last man since we killed bliss who was the last man

raw yew
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Are cleaners JTF… half of them are sanitation which is part of JTF

raw yew
ivory solar
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Well blue collar workers were asked to build the dark zone wall by the jtf, and those blue collar workers became the cleaners

scarlet canopy
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Are people like keener and the cleaners basically like Khorne from WH because they give that vibe

raw yew
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WH?

scarlet canopy
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Warhammer

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Like I get kyras vibes from keener

raw yew
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Cleaners are by far my favorite faction to fight, their tank is awesome