#division-universe

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broken nebula
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I love heads and tails

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Coney Hunter was just doing his edgelord larp

glad spruce
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The invaded Camp White Oak was pretty funny

untold blaze
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it was

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the question still stands

broken nebula
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Who cares if they're goofy

sick lantern
fleet rover
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the postal dude from postal redux vs a whole agent squad, who would win?

ngl, as much as i love the dude and postal, i think the agents get the W in here with superior numbers and tech, but if we pit only a single agent against the dude, postal dude might win because he has a variety of weapons and grenades that suits most scenarios

frail coyote
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What's wrong with not wanting to wash mud out of your pants?

untold blaze
cursive tapir
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Controversial opionion

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Give me more goofy James Bond spy shit

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Give Black Tusk metal gears

sick lantern
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can we have that but without the goofiness pls

broken nebula
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Only if they give me a sneaking suit. Also, tfw no 3E remnants

digital sapphire
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ngl black tusks with metal gears would make more sense than those warhounds

sick lantern
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advanced robots/mechs made by DARPA to suit the needs of government conspirators...

sick lantern
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a villain who can turn the shadowy government group's technology against them and wants to do a big bad thing to New York and is killed, but still in a way inspires the protagonists to fight their puppeteers

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"Coincidence? I think NOT!"

fleet rover
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I wonder how well would the tf2 mercs would fare against the enemies of the division

sick lantern
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I thought you got Overwatch and Tf2 confused for a second
I was thinking "bruh Mercy isn't from TF2?"

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considering TF2 operates solidly on cartoon physics, probably pretty well

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unless they were forced to exist in a realistic sense in which case they would probably all be killed sooner or later

spare arrow
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If the tf2 merc were just dropped into the div world they'd keel over in like... a minute flat. They've all been put back together so many times, in a realistic setting they'd just slump back over.

gaunt ice
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Division 2 10 year plan

sick lantern
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"i won't scatter your sorrow to the heartless hudson river..."

sweet imp
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Is the Fox's Prayers piece name a reference to something or just a "random" name?

sweet imp
late void
sweet imp
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Interesting, would have never guessed the piece is named after this saying

fleet rover
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fuckin autocorrect

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btw

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WHAT IF:

your agent found a way to infiltrate any radio channel and started excessively speaking in aforementioned channel for the funny or the worse

what would they do?

broken nebula
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Excessively shitpost with the assumption nobody is listening

fleet rover
broken nebula
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lmao

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I know exactly what you're referencing

floral gull
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Who is named 13? New season has their quotes on some of the new gear

obtuse arrow
floral gull
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Hmmmmmmmmm

frail coyote
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can't wait for end of season where they pull a "hey Anderson is on your side too just trying to pump BT for more info"

sick lantern
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I think the plot at this point has elevated above that level of antics for the time being at least

tepid ibex
sweet imp
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wyvern is F crazy

tepid ibex
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Bruh

fleet rover
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yo who deleted my post?

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well, i guess this evening i'll retype it again

obtuse arrow
round sinew
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I'm pretty sure da beeg baws Aspect said no roleplay

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As someone who has to exist in the same universe as you, I implore you to not make me read any more division fanfiction

languid wing
floral ivy
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Looks like Heartlands and Resurgence will likely drop on Q1/Q2 next year since not only there's links to register for tests but Wikipedia's Ubi present game list currently show "TBA" as release dates. Least I registered tho šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø

coral ember
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NY Hunters want to kill you. D.C hunters just want to watch or leave you alone. Reason why the D.C hunters attack you is because theyā€™re defending themselves from you.

sick lantern
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I feel like if they wanted to kill you, they could find better way to do it than waiting for the agent to initiate a bizarre ritual involving random objects in the streets
and if they wanted to just watch, surely they could just not show up when the agent performs said ritual

coral ember
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Itā€™s making me think after the Hunter watching you in the Season 9 Manhunt Mission. That might be a Hunter recruiter, if so that mean McManus want you to become a Hunter not Bonney.

sick lantern
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you're not the only one

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considering the Hunter was quite happy to just stare at you and Bonney was a clown who needed a Marauder, it's very likely

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which makes me think now that McManus chose Bonney to be tested cus he saw him as the most disposable of all the candidates

coral ember
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Not to mention, to get rid of Bonney without compromising his alliance with Natalya Sokolova and Black Tusk.

restive phoenix
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Why would he need to get rid of Bonney if he was a rogue then sure itā€™s plausible McManus has targeted rogue agents before with hunters but as far as we know he was just a member of the BTSU

gaunt ice
sick lantern
# restive phoenix Why would he need to get rid of Bonney if he was a rogue then sure itā€™s plausibl...

if the recruiter was scouting us out, which isnā€™t confirmed but cmon, is Bonney really gonna be a hunter? why else would he be there just looking at us
then one of two things could be true:

  1. McManus was trying to use the mission to test the player as well as tie up loose ends
    Bonney wouldnā€™t legitimately be good enough to become a Hunter when he had assistance from a Marauder and another named boss, showing that the test really was for the player. Bonney was chosen as he was the least skilled and most disposable of all the candidates, and as the last surviving member of the original BTSU squad, he was a loose end of some sort, regardless, McManus didnā€™t mind that he was gone
  2. The Hunter had gone slightly off mission in their observation of the player. Bonney was seen as a viable member of the Hunters and the Recruiter was just there observing the wrong target and being an edgelord
sleek plover
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I just discovered something...extremely disturbing about this season.

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General Anderson...

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Looks disturbingly simillar to Jimmy Kimmel

frail coyote
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Just a theory of mine, that will need some weeks to pan out

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I think all of the current manhunt targets minus Anderson are hunters

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We know McManus said there were hunters in Natalya's organization, and the comms with Trig he comes off as odd, similar to deceit saying shit in riddles

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I feel like when we kill Anderson and the dust settles McManus will come with a squad of hunters, not like one, I mean like 20 enough that fighting him isn't an option and he will extens the olive branch to join him.

restive phoenix
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Or we just get the hell out of dodge

broken nebula
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mfw hunters are the game equivalent of machine elves and are whimsical enforcers kf the simulation we inhabit

lament chasm
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Bruh why we screwing with the JTF. Just join Hunters

broken nebula
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getting paid to be edgy? yes pls

obtuse arrow
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If I had the option I'd kill every JTF member in the whitehouse for walking into me and taking me out of the menu

gaunt ice
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Think about it this way:manning zoo invaded version showed us how desperate the BT is rn,with all of their good people being put under.
The recruiter probably isnā€™t there to check in on Bonney but to see if the Tusk is still worth it or just another loose end.And we kinda know the answer by now

restive phoenix
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The BT have suffered major setbacks and they did fail to extract the anti vitals even before we eliminated most of their best operatives so that isnā€™t much of a stretch

languid wing
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If you manage to get killed by the recruiter the name is a reference to some important guy in Chinese history

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I forget the name

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He brought about a new age of the Chinese I think

sick lantern
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Jiang Ziya

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"Jiang Ziya (fl.ā€‰12th century BC ā€“ fl.ā€‰11th century BC), also known by several other names, was a Chinese noble who helped kings Wen and Wu of Zhou overthrow the Shang in ancient China."

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languid wing
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aa thank you

sleek plover
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Jimmy Kimmel Anderson

coral ember
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Jack Bonney wasnā€™t a rogue agent. He was a agent/candidate for the Hunter program.

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The modified SHD watch was given to him once he became a recruit for the Hunters.

sweet rose
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Not sure if this is the right place to ask but do you guys think we will get another play like hearts on fire? It made want to replay division 1 a bit and was really well made.

gaunt ice
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Something that still hasnā€™t been addressed is Bonney apparently has a status

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Not like alive/dead status but agent status despite not being associated with SHD

mint badger
hoary cove
sleek plover
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damn killing trig is difficult

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i mean the stage itself is packed with elites

sleek plover
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why

sick lantern
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violence

languid wing
fleet rover
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i already gave up because 90% of the opening part are yellow enemies

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i cannot bully them with scorpio too since the assault shield is too weak

languid wing
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Riot foam and decoy

tepid ibex
gaunt ice
obtuse arrow
gaunt ice
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Tbf not the MOST difficult

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But its definitely a step up compared to uhhh

Literally any heroic content in the game minus DC/NYC hunters hunting solo

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And just maybe below the 15 min Manning zoo league solo

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Or the 12 min DARPA heroic league,that used to be a thing iirc

fleet rover
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is it true that there's a gang of rikers acting like children?

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like: not eating your vegetables and eating dessert first?

mint citrus
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There just might be

obtuse arrow
languid wing
late void
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so, how'd you escape Rikers?

languid wing
sleek plover
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General Anderson is actually Jimmy Kimmel

gaunt ice
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yes mike that is as deep as the last 4 times you said it

tepid ibex
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Guess you can't

sleek plover
sick lantern
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ebooks and audio books aren't for me

tepid ibex
# sleek plover hey bud, did u got my gift?

I saw, do I like it? Not entirely. I don't like the LMB because I just like bad guys. I like the LMB because I like morally ambiguous factions and or people. Things with grey areas. Ex: Venom, Eden's Gate, Winter Soldier, Mike Ehrmantraut.

sleek plover
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i mean it was originally for my LMB loving cosplayer friend which i remained friends with despite my utter hatred of LMB

ashen jungle
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Reminder to not post your fan-fics in this channel, please leave that to your own Server.

languid wing
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Fan fics oh boi

icy pasture
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Any news on the hearland beta?

upbeat timber
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The early play test is starting tomorrow till 7th under NDA

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I have one key left for PC only, for people in US and Canada only.

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If you need a key, just message me.

ashen jungle
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I'll allow this for now, but that had better not go anywhere near payment of any sort.

upbeat timber
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Not even close for a payment, I just say pm me so others donā€™t try to get the link randomly since I only have one key left to give out.

ashen jungle
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As long as it's not breaking any kind of NDA, this should be fine.

languid wing
upbeat timber
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Alright, that was my final key aka invite

languid wing
upbeat timber
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Np hope you enjoy

languid wing
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cant wait xD

upbeat timber
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Frfr

languid wing
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almost done pre loading

upbeat timber
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Yea same here, Iā€™ll see you on the flip side

sweet imp
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does the new arcabuz brand set have any lore?

faint jetty
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Hi

round sinew
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We finally find out what happens to Vikram Malik, cool.

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Micro: "Hope you brought a turret."
Me, running Hardwired: "I'm something of a gadget expert myself."

languid wing
glad spruce
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Wally seems pretty cool from Manny's latest recording

surreal hearth
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Well good news looks like some amount of true sons are defective well hidden defective under Lewis pocket and to us

surreal hearth
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Imma be honest with you guy but it looks like we are slowly killing off some key black tusk LTs that were vital to their infrastructures but for some reason Natalya believe they are expendable

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What the hell is she up to with Anderson I wonder?

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Least they are some true sons that arenā€™t all complete asses

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And last question is where the hell is McManus?

round sinew
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Ensuring that power plant falls under Black Tusk control?

mint citrus
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Ayo Vikram is back?!

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Bruh

frail coyote
# surreal hearth And last question is where the hell is McManus?

Likely in a place similar to Natalya, somewhere there is plentiful resources because and I know this is weird to say from both of their inflections they haven't suffered from this virus at all, they still hold an arrogance in their voices that shows how little they have had to suffer.

languid wing
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since the hunters work for him

restive phoenix
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Heā€™s probably in some command bunker coordinating the hunters

round sinew
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Knowing the franchise, he'll go to Camp White Oak and stand in a grass field waiting for us to kill him.

ashen jungle
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and they still won't give us an alternate route to take, despite there being a Tunnel in White Oak specifically for that purpose.

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such a missed opportunity!

surreal hearth
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One thing that shocked me about the second target callsign micro is that he knew jack Bonney

surreal hearth
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And with vitaly in custody and the bioreactor on our hands

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The smallpox virus or the ā€œgreen poisonā€ will be fully cured and vaccinated

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The only thing we have to worry is to re-established the law and order since we are at war against Natalya sokolova the divisions public enemy number one

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Of course the black tusk didnā€™t cut a single corner when they built this gigantic military regime only to be torn down one after the other by the already overpowered divisions

ashen jungle
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One small correction, because I'm tired and didn't read the whole thing: it's not actually just Smallpox, it's heavily genetically modified to be as infectious as possible, while only becoming fatal after a certain point.

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So any kind of "cure" or even a vaccination for the uninfected, is a real reach even with the Bioreactor and Vitaly free again.

surreal hearth
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Indeed it would take years to perfect a vaccine so the division will have to remain active at all cost.

ashen jungle
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Considering how infectious Green Poison is, I'd honestly say that a vaccination isn't overly useful at this stage, we just need a cure.

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actually even that is kinda pointless. Since it was designed to kill ~99% of people and it did that.

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so a Vaccine for the next thing is what we're likely focusing on at this point.

surreal hearth
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Itā€™s more likely to slow down the spread, and for those that survive green poison or overcome it, they have antibody.

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If I remember correctly some girl by the name of shay was one of th rare ones that survived green poison.

ashen jungle
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Just to confirm you know this, Vaccines are for before you catch something, and since Green Poison was on physical money, basically everyone is already infected within the time-frame.

Actually Green Poison was designed to do exactly that: leave a small % of people alive. It was population control. Amherst was a little nutty like that.

surreal hearth
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His legacy was to create the ultimate reset for humanity. Only the strong can survive and rebuild

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Keeners agenda was also about the ā€œresetā€

ashen jungle
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Really shows you just how insane both those lunatics were.
"ultimate reset". If you can genetically modify viruses, you can do a lot more than that. Or at least just go after the big targets, not random innocent civilians.

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That's like blaming the guy that double-parked on your street instead of the tank rolling over your car.

surreal hearth
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As vaaz would say the true definition of insanity

ashen jungle
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Not uh, not exactly, but I like your spirit.

tulip patio
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I have to wonder about Keener now, some of the recordings for the first manhunt has one of the rogues communicating with Jupiter on our progress at clearing Roosevelt

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so I assume that technically Jupiter and the other guy were heading towards and establishing themselves in DC while we were in NY

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so maybe in the end it was a desperate distraction?

surreal hearth
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Iā€™ve played many far cry games and seen many villains that have done worst to humanity but they are nothing compared to keener and Gordon.

tulip patio
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well granted Keener didn't yet achieve too much on grand scale

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even his two rogue cells were down before doing anything too drastic

ashen jungle
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Post Office.
but outside of that yeah he was kinda as much a failure as he was when the First Wave went down.

tulip patio
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yeah I know of the attacks

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but they're not much on the grand scale imo

ashen jungle
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Keener watched us through a window and shot down a chopper in div1, then failed to shoot some missiles in div2.
not exactly moustache twirling.

tulip patio
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Jupiter just didn't use the new virus, only Hornet did and even so just had some Outcasts helping him before he was shut down

languid wing
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To be fair the good guys always win well expect for some games abs movies

ashen jungle
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a Watchmen ending would've been fun in WONY, really set the tone going forward.

tulip patio
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true there is that bias

languid wing
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In some media the bad guys win but 99% of the time the heros win

tulip patio
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but seeing just how unstable his rogue cells were also I doubt he would be as effective as Black Tusk were

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and tbh, the bad guys technically already won overall

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the US as it was is now gone, we're mostly trying to keep things stable overall

languid wing
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And in S2 manhunt there waa turmoil between hornet and huntsman

tulip patio
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from what we can gather ingame Black Tusk are far from done too

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definitely not possessing the upper hand anymore, but not done

languid wing
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I just wanna put a bullet in nat

tulip patio
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I have a feeling she's gunning for us now seeing how much we ruined lol

languid wing
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Let her come we dismantled her precious BTSU

tulip patio
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maybe we will get more "hunter" boy scouts after us

languid wing
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When bardon wakes up we are taking the fight to her directly

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Bardon is the key in all of this

ashen jungle
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he is the funniest character we've had.

languid wing
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Yea and 1 of the most important in the later seasons

tulip patio
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I wonder if he will be the one guiding some of our missions in the future

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but even so, he's still got a lot to answer for

languid wing
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I feel in the coming seasons nat will try to attack the Whitehouse to clean up the only loose end bardon cause she knows if he wakes up she's done for

tulip patio
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is that just a hunch lol

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I know what you know but we can't talk of that here

ashen jungle
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BT actively stopped a missile attack on the White House before, but that was when the Bioreactor was still there.
I guess we'll see.

languid wing
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Can't say whwre I got that info šŸ˜¬

tulip patio
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when did Bardon change sides though

ashen jungle
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If that's actually a leak, you know that's a ban right?

tulip patio
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can't find the specific point where he's suddenly on Faye's side

languid wing
tulip patio
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before that

languid wing
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Faye wanted bardon to be captured

tulip patio
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yeah but what specifically convinced him

languid wing
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Bardon began to question what nat was really up to he had doubts

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Yea he was loyal but he started poking around the bush

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He didn't exactly get along with his rogues and that hunter was there to clean up the mess and maybe ti keep an eye on brdon

tulip patio
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from what I recall of that specific thing weren't those rogues selected by Faye as a sort of test?

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I wouldn't see it pushing him towards her side

languid wing
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She convinced him somehow idk if that appeard on any recordings

tulip patio
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I cannot find a specific point either

languid wing
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We know Faye had her own agenda left us insurance policies

tulip patio
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it just sorta seems to happen

languid wing
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There's only 1 loose end for nat bardon

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But he's gonna be in a coma for idk how long

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Maybe he wakes up in Y5

sick lantern
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he bloody well better soon

tulip patio
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don't get why we can't just smack him over the face a few times to wake up faster

sick lantern
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imagine he comes in like a badass to help in the final mission

languid wing
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Bardon could of escaped coney but instead wanted to fight he got captured

sick lantern
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feels like he couldā€™ve gone like Steiner in black ops 1 for that I guess he likes to live dangerously

languid wing
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Nah he wanted to get captured

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We killed his BTSU operatives we killed his rogues well technically fsyes rogues

sick lantern
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yea exactly, but his plan to surrender was to get shot to fuck and blown up petter bit strange

frail coyote
sick lantern
languid wing
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So he made it convincing

ashen jungle
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think of the Div universe as Plague Inc, but with more Hawaiian shirts.

frail coyote
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If I remember division 1 lore, he put several virus genomes together in a 3d space then printed it out with his homemade protein 3d printer

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Which just sounds extremely messy

ashen jungle
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there, just use that.

sick lantern
ashen jungle
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You're actually very close, here's what Div is basically written from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dark_Winter

Operation Dark Winter

Operation Dark Winter was the code name for a senior-level bio-terrorist attack simulation conducted on June 22ā€“23, 2001. It was designed to carry out a mock version of a covert and widespread smallpox attack on the United States. Tara O'Toole and Tom Inglesby of the Johns Hopkins Center for Civilian Biodefense Strategies (CCBS) / Center for Str...

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and yes, that's the reason Lau's Vector is called that.

sick lantern
ashen jungle
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Diving into the medical weirdness rabbit-hole is something I don't recommend for anyone.

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Stuff gets real weird real fast.

languid wing
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So nat is in charge of BT mc manus has his own private army of hunters Manny is technically in charge of us now since ellis is dead slot has been added since the vanilla days of the division 2

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But nat and mc manus can't be the only 1s calling the shots an organization as big as black tusk require alot of funding and while nat owns her father's company thst wouldn't be enough to keep BT around

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So I think there are other people calling the shots as well they just have not made themselves known

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Sticking to the shadows

ashen jungle
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To be clear: Ms Sokolova is the owner and CEO of BT, which means it likely has a board of directors, and some kind of private wealth stockpile.
And since the world has ended, BT could easily have raided a few federal reserves around the globe to keep their organisation flush.

languid wing
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that is true

tawny frost
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Manny is less in charge of the division and more a strategist. Each agent is more or less free to do what they want, as long as it follows their main direction

languid wing
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well we would answer to mc manus but according to the order of who takes charge sec of homeland security is way at the bottom of the totem pole but since most other government officals are MIA or dead we would report to him but hes with BT so thats a no go

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in the list who is to take over after the pres sec of homeland is at the very bottom

tawny frost
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The division only take orders from the president. There isnt a president atm, so they donā€™t report or are commanded by anyone

ashen jungle
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There's a "continuity of government" in place in the US, where the Presidential role can be passed on in case of sudden death/being unable to perform their duties.

languid wing
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and homeland is at the very bottom

ashen jungle
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aka: Pres > VP > etc. I believe Manny is in the running at this stage.

languid wing
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funny how the pres dog walker is higher then homeland in the totem pole irl lmao

ashen jungle
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technically speaking, we could find a Post Office worker and just throw the job to them.

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"that guy who gets the donuts for the Secret Service for next POTUS"

languid wing
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i vote that dog in NY for POTUS

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that lil puppy

ashen jungle
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the dwarf german shepard? They've got my vote.

languid wing
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yes

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make him POTUS ubi

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but in the div universe manny is in the running since mc manus is rogue

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i mean each agent is trained to be alone for most of the time they are free to do whatever granted they follow the 3 rules

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they outrank everyone but the pres they have alot of rescources

sick lantern
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if thereā€™s no officials around to swear him in, could McManus even be declared president?

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or anyone?

languid wing
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but hes working with blacktusk so we answer to no one atm

sick lantern
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I donā€™t know US politics. But I donā€™t know if he legally could be considered a legitimate leader if thereā€™s no one around to vouch for him. That system is built on checks and balances after all

languid wing
late void
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We haven't seen Manny in person since the beginning of the OC, I reckon ISAC took him out and has been impersonating him ever since the 'PoS Wristwatch' comment

sick lantern
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based ISAC

languid wing
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id rather have ANNA then isac

sick lantern
languid wing
brisk bone
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So if the Hunters are always in the CD gamemode, does that mean that missions without the BT controlling the area counts as the hunters to 'secure the area' for the BT force to invade? And by extension I guess they are securing the area if they do have control

ashen jungle
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The Hunters in CD actually don't even count as Hunters for Project purposes, they're "BT Elites" or something similar.
So in my mind, they've still got the training wheels on.

autumn escarp
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part of me really REALLY wishes Hunters where ghosts or Top assasins from the globe hired to work for Calvin or mentally unstable soldiers like the Ghost from Stracraft

tulip patio
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they probably are something along that line

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they're certainly not normal

autumn escarp
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another thing so you know Bardon was speaking with an Unknown male person (The Boss) ok....ever since Natalya pulled up that guy just dissapeared and hes not Calvin...what happened to that character

sick lantern
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that guy was in an echo right?

ashen jungle
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Was that in the since removed Echo or was this a newer one?

autumn escarp
languid wing
autumn escarp
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aint she THE boss of Black Tvsk?

ashen jungle
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Nat doesn't have a boss. She's the CEO of black tusk.

languid wing
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Or someone with as equal power to her

ashen jungle
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there is literally no one above her.

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She's the CEO and the Founders daughter.
what Echo are you referring to?

autumn escarp
languid wing
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Tht guy is probably really high up in black tusk

ashen jungle
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No as in, where was this Echo found? Or what was it called?

languid wing
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In a coffee shop

autumn escarp
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aww shit i might have to send you a YT video

languid wing
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1 sec

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sent a pic of the echo in ask

late void
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I think it's just a higher-up in BT, a recruiter (no reason why that would have to be Natalya herself). It's the same coffee shop as the high-noon thing in the dodge city quest, not far East of the WH.

round sinew
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It's probably just some dude.

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It took them like 4 years to readress that Vikram and Jack Bonney exist. Don't hold your breath for any extra details on Nameless Bad Guy #3.

autumn escarp
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so im quite new here in the discord is this the place we can make wild theories and put our cone aluminum hat?

round sinew
#

It could have been a set up for some antagonist down the line, but the story has changed a lot since D2 launch.

languid wing
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could it be mc manus maybe

round sinew
languid wing
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wait no

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we all knew jack bonney was not gonna be a hunter cmon dude had to use a quad copter to even go against us

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hunters rely on thier training and skills

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besides hunters have to keep alow profile

round sinew
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No, they rely on their "you don't get to have gadgets but I do" wallhackz

rustic glade
#

mate i'm sure that bloody idea went out the damn window since division 1 hunters

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they cut you with a tomohawk at the end of the day šŸ’€

languid wing
#

we didnt know alot about the hunters back in D1

rustic glade
#

THEY TAKE YA HANDS, FAM

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YA GRIPPERS

autumn escarp
languid wing
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yea well they cant surive a scorpio mag

round sinew
ashen jungle
rustic glade
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and 70% pfe

languid wing
#

i wonder if in the future we will get to meet mc manus

round sinew
#

We will

autumn escarp
round sinew
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He'll be at Camp White Oak standing in the back yard and we gun him down in a bounty

languid wing
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if he offered me a postion im taking it

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if he offers us the choice im joining him and the hunters

round sinew
#

Bad guys just love to keep returning to places where we killed the last bad guy for some reason

languid wing
#

but an open field cmon thats easy pickings for a sniper build or anything really

autumn escarp
#

my wild theory is Natty or Mcnanus or anyone from their group gave Gordon access to make green poison , eliminated all presidents for what purpose? im guessing creating a new order with mcnanus as president and Natalya the "person everyone depends" because daddy issues

ashen jungle
#

It is certainly a wild theory.

autumn escarp
#

can you imagine...all of this happened because natty have daddy issues?

#

it happened in Warhammer 40K

ashen jungle
#

Honestly, in my headcanon she actually killed her Father to take over, but that's a little too cliche.

autumn escarp
#

sigh hopefully well get to know the Hunters SHD network , Natty real goal with Calvin and if your agent is feared so much that hunters wanna recruit you

languid wing
#

She used her brother as well

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Which come to think about it is sad he just wanted to bond with her

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But she didn't want any of that

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He was but a pawn in her game

#

Hes 1 of the few I feel bad for killing

#

Seems most of the rogue agents in past seasons were manipulated in some way

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Or brainwashed

autumn escarp
#

all of them were...that no cap her relationship with her brother is something i can relate too with my sister but my sis and I are real good

languid wing
#

He loved nat but she okay saw him as a piece to her puzzle

autumn escarp
languid wing
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If only he took a long look at the facts he would of known she was playing him

autumn escarp
#

i also wonder if by killing this dude peter Lewis will be the new true sons leader and be allies with Bardon to kill off the new enemies

languid wing
#

I blame the SHD recruiters if keener didn't pass screening none of this would of happened this all started with keener

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Alot of agents passed thr screening when they shouldn't havr

autumn escarp
#

i wonder whats our agent background

languid wing
#

You make yours up since I sm army I made my agents backstory around the special forces

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That's the fun of a "blank character" you can make up your own backstory

autumn escarp
languid wing
#

I like games where your character has no pre existing backstory

ashen jungle
#

Yeah, basically our Agent is "grey canon". They can be the one from div1, an entirely new one, your call.
same as the Agent from back in div1.

surreal hearth
languid wing
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My agents backstory is she was delta force operative prior to being activated

tulip patio
#

The Div 1 characters don't seem to recognize us in any way though

ashen jungle
#

Lau is also credited for actually doing stuff in div1, so there's some rewrites in place.

surreal hearth
#

To me all of these out of nowhere agents are heavy classified like they came out of thin air

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Same with the hunters and pretty much every faction we see.

languid wing
#

There is lore behind the factions and where they cane from though

surreal hearth
#

They just keep coming and we keep mowing them down.

autumn escarp
#

my agent background is out of the verse.... a Ghost sent to assist The Division

surreal hearth
#

My agent is a paradox

languid wing
#

Outcasts were betrayed hyenas were gangs who united and true sons is a PMC that broke away from the JTF

tulip patio
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True sons is not pmc

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National Guard mainly and eventually recruited civilians

languid wing
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Then you got those guys who use bows idk what Faction they belong to

autumn escarp
autumn escarp
tulip patio
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Nah

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They were DZ only before

languid wing
#

Oh and you got the underground Faction as well

tulip patio
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The rioters are the ones with balaclavas

languid wing
#

Those poop throwing knifes hurt

tulip patio
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We see the bow guys in the DZ only before one of the updates, they would set tripwires, blind you and ambush you

autumn escarp
#

bro that underground faction man...still no idea wtf they are

ashen jungle
#

Rioters were a faction in div1, they effectively "disbanded". They are not DZ only.

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They had their own mission set in the div1 campaign.
in div2, they're also present around NYC if you walk around a bit.

languid wing
tulip patio
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They bow guys were DZ only before

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They are not the replacement for rioters I am sure

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There's the masked guys in NY as sort of leftovers of Rioters

ashen jungle
#

the "bow guys" IIRC are "scavengers". Their heavy uses a chainsaw.
they are also not locked to the DZ and were always found underground in DC.

languid wing
ashen jungle
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I believe at one point they had the Pistol Flashlight locked to them as a drop.

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Have not played Underground since 2019, could not say.

tulip patio
#

We are talking about different things

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Underground are the mute guys that come out at night and underground

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Ambushers use bows and melee with shield

ashen jungle
#

https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Underground_(Faction)

The Division Wiki
Underground (Faction)

The Underground also known as Cannibals, is a minor hostile faction that appear in Tom Clancy's The Division 2. A small faction of unorganised scavengers that rarely appears, it's likely these guys are nomadic and opportunistic scavengers that are hostile to anyone they come across. The Underground is a mysterious faction consisting of sewer-dwe...

tulip patio
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Yeah

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Now search up Ambushers

languid wing
#

Bow guys don't belong to the cannibals though I thought

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There not as dirty as the cannibals we see at night

tulip patio
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Or idk maybe I just saw them more often in DZ but otherwise they only appear in a mission talking to true sons

ashen jungle
#

Okay then I suppose so, but just to clarify: the "bow guys" (whatever they are) are not DZ locked. Whether they were before or not I can't say.

surreal hearth
# autumn escarp elaborate o.O?

Ridiculous classified/redactions through tooth and nails, earthborn without parents, completely mute but follows the program, you canā€™t even reveal the true name of my agent.

autumn escarp
#

well damn...talking about secret service

#

and i thought my idea of making a Ghost agent in the division verse was out of pocket

surreal hearth
#

The division has very deep deep deep precautions when it comes to being recruited

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You had to spent a lifetime amount to prevent the worst case scenarioā€™s like the green poison.

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However itā€™s system now a ying and Yang thank to Parnell and the rogue cells is turn into a ā€œwhoā€™s whoā€ situation

autumn escarp
surreal hearth
#

Ever heard the term ā€œtrust nobody but yourselfā€

autumn escarp
#

thats why i like the division story

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different shades of grey

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but some really out of pocket people

surreal hearth
#

You donā€™t know if some of us are even humans at all.

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An almost close resemblance like the hunters.

autumn escarp
#

funny when i first heard about the division 1 i thought there were gonna be Zombies or some shit

coral lion
tepid ibex
deep marten
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Tho he's not the agent I play as in the game

acoustic eagle
#

@deep marten Thank you for your service šŸ«” šŸ˜

deep marten
#

Oh wait

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I meant my agent

acoustic eagle
#

OH

deep marten
#

I typo'd, my bad

acoustic eagle
#

itā€™s okay lol

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Iā€™m half asleep rn

deep marten
#

I'm not even an American lmao, sorry for the misunderstanding

acoustic eagle
#

Youā€™re fine lol

deep marten
#

Yeah

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Anyhow, I do have some other characters in the Division universe, some non-SHD ones too

acoustic eagle
#

Ooooh

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Nice nice nice

deep marten
#

Yeah

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There's a 2nd wave agent who was with the SLCPD, so she operates more on the west coast

And there's another one who was discharged from the Army and got hired by the Black Tusk, however she defects from them down the line tho

acoustic eagle
#

I love that tbh

deep marten
#

I'm still debating if the Black Tusk one would join the JTF or just do her own thing tho

sleek plover
#

Are there ninjas in division?

languid wing
sleek plover
#

there gotta be katana wielding cyberninja boss somewhere

languid wing
#

nope

sleek plover
#

katana hunter

languid wing
#

nope

sleek plover
#

how about laser katanas?

languid wing
#

who knows with darpa labs maybe

sleek plover
#

or katana specializations?

languid wing
#

no katana specializations

spare arrow
#

milotic, he's memeing

sleek plover
#

Natalya Soklova gomma commit sudoku

languid wing
#

sorry im on alot of coffee rn so

sleek plover
#

...ok ill stop

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but srsly, I wonder what natalya boss fight gonna be like

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maybe shes gonna sit in her flying office chair armed with missile turrets

languid wing
#

we wont know for a while we gotta wait till bardon wakes up he probs knows where she is

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i mean i killed micro thats all i wanted to do

sleek plover
#

And...about katanas...there were definitely at least one hyena idiot arming himself with mall ninja weapons

languid wing
ashen jungle
#

So they remake Tidal Basin?

languid wing
#

tidal is more like a base with a hovercraft attached to it

#

wait nvm

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i feel like when we do face nat we are gonna have to get through alot of blacktusk

ashen jungle
#

I'm still holding out for an actual alternate path in Camp White Oak. We've got the tunnel right there.

languid wing
#

yea but it would make the mission so much shorter

ashen jungle
#

They can make alternate paths, the map is big enough.

lunar harbor
#

I mean, perhaps they could reveal a secret bunker like tunnel system for either Natalya or Mcmanus?

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Would certainly be interesting, and the story could work in conjuction with the idea that crucial data is located somewhere underground

languid wing
#

Wouldn't be surprising if mc manus was in 1 of the 3 SHD command bunkers scattered across the middle of the USA

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Each bunker is apperantly ran by 1 of the board of directors

lunar harbor
#

It would certainly make sense - I wouldn't be surprised if during the fight with Mcmanus (if there ever is to be one), they incorporate a game mechanic where he completely shuts down all SHD Tech

languid wing
#

We know each bunker is rsn by 1 high level offical

lunar harbor
#

What would interest me more would be the Hunters - we've faced them outside of the Bunkers, but under the likely assumption that the best of the best would be guarding individuals such as Mcmanus - what type of Hunters would we be facing?

languid wing
#

Iirc correctly 1 bunker is strategic/communications 1 is for the SHD to coordinate with agents/ deal out operations idk about the 3rd 1

lunar harbor
#

Well, coordination is certainly something's that failed somewhat, in my eyes anyways

sick lantern
languid wing
#

Our biggest threat rn is BT they are only real threat ever other Faction is a shell of what they use to be

sick lantern
#

"Each Core is configured to handle routine management and administrative duties during peacetime but can transition instantly after a Directive 51 activation to coordinate intelligence and logistics across the Division network."

lunar harbor
#

It'd be interesting if we're given the chance to explore these Bunkers - I'd wonder if they'd give off a ragtag vibe, or a vibe more similar to that Classified Mission I don't recall

languid wing
#

Bunkers are probably highly secured and hidden from view

lunar harbor
#

Well, of course - but we don't know if they were well sustained or not

languid wing
#

Well ik 1 is in Texas

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In game

sick lantern
#

They're in Texas, Kansas and South Dakota.

lunar harbor
#

What I'd want to see is better geared military personnel, if anything

languid wing
#

Mc manus most likely knew about the bunkers and let nat know

#

Who knows

sick lantern
lunar harbor
#

Similar to DZ defenses?

languid wing
#

Would make sense since if BT took out the 3 bunkers we would be screwed

lunar harbor
#

Hm, not necessarily screwed - but all systems would likely be compromised

languid wing
#

Yea

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Mc manus knew all the defences of these bunkers most likely could of slipped nat the blueprints

lunar harbor
#

But wasn't he in charge of just 1 Bunker, like you said above?

languid wing
#

He might be idk if he's on thr board of directors

lunar harbor
#

I'd assume that there are contingencies in place to prevent a 'director' of exposing every bunker - would be an incredibly bad move if knowledge of all 3 bunkers were given to each individual

sick lantern
#

McManus is the head of Homeland Security, so it's up for debate as to how much of The Division's internal operations he actually know. It's the secret of all secrets and he might know nothing more than it is considered that he needs to- where to send the money, resources etc

languid wing
#

Well with unlimited funds nkt hard to bribe officials

sick lantern
lunar harbor
#

So that's the assumption that these individuals would be easily bribed

languid wing
#

If I was offered 100 mill im taking it is all im saying

lunar harbor
sick lantern
lunar harbor
#

And he's dead

languid wing
#

But since he was killed no one technically

lunar harbor
#

Hm

languid wing
#

Manny is in the running

lunar harbor
#

Manny is useless

#

"hEy AgEnT pILot TorRes iS clEaRed foR KenlEy cOLlege"

languid wing
#

In game every other government official is ether dead or Mia mc manus would be the 1 to take over

lunar harbor
#

There's actually quite a long list of people that would be handed the Presidency role before Mcmanus

#

Including the Dog Walker, lmao

languid wing
#

Yea but they are probably dead or MIA

lunar harbor
#

Agent, we found the Presidential Dog Walker! Save him before BT takes him out!

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Cue Season 1111

languid wing
#

So far we know mc manus is the only government official left that we know of

lunar harbor
#

Exactly, that we know of - so far

#

I'm just curious as to who hired BT

languid wing
#

Well there is obviously other government officials alive mc manus would not have enough to hire them alone

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A PMC that big will cost alot of money to hire

lunar harbor
#

Some kind of group then, I suppose - trying to put America under their control

languid wing
#

A shadowey part of the government

#

Well the people behind black tusk want to shape America into thier vision

lunar harbor
#

Well, BT's resources are certainly not infinite though - so I guess there exists some kind of limit in what they can do

languid wing
#

They have alot of tech some made by darpa

#

So they obviously have ties to the government

#

How else would they get access to darpa tech

lunar harbor
#

But did that tie exist before or after they were hired

#

Would answer some questions

languid wing
#

I think before

sick lantern
#

Considering they're part of a massive conspiracy to take over the US, I don't think they were actually hired at all for this

lunar harbor
#

Well, they were definitely hired/backed by someone

sick lantern
#

Their being a PMC would be an easy front to move the manpower and resources into position pre-emptively, but based on their rhetoric, knowledge of the SHD and usage of DARPA technology, I'm pretty sure their PMC existence was more of a front until they could move towards their ultimate goal

#

No point in getting paid if the world has ended

lunar harbor
#

I don't believe that BT was going at this with their own vision/ideology as to taking over America

#

They were definitely hired by someone

languid wing
#

They waited till we hurt thr other factions to move in

#

BT let us do alll the dirty work

lunar harbor
#

Work Smarter, not Harder

urban musk
languid wing
#

I like when bardons boss tells him to back off bardon: how far boss: all thr fkn way

lunar harbor
#

Bardon has definitely got to be one of my favorite characters in this franchise

languid wing
#

I'm curious to who this willy girl is

lunar harbor
#

Oh, right - the latest Manhunt, right?

languid wing
#

Yea

lunar harbor
#

Well, all I can say is that the conversation recording we heard after defeating Micro was endearing to hear

sick lantern
#

from The World of The Division

languid wing
#

BT are gonna be the Pretorian guard

lunar harbor
urban musk
languid wing
#

Black tusk is made of spec ops guys and former LMB as well

lunar harbor
#

Whatever the WT Grenadier is smoking, I want it

urban musk
lunar harbor
languid wing
#

I wish I had tbst kind of money to hire em

lunar harbor
#

"Our Employers"

urban musk
lunar harbor
#

Pin the tail on the Warhound

languid wing
lunar harbor
languid wing
#

Can't forget catch the drone

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Classic

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It feel so cool showing up to school surrounded by bt and heavies

#

Let's see the bullies try to bully me now šŸ¤£

lunar harbor
#

On another note - anyone just realize why the Hunters look so familiar, lol

languid wing
#

I just wonder how many hunters mc manus has at his disposal

#

Quite a few I imagine

urban musk
#

He can run but he can't hide

languid wing
#

He don't need to run when he has a small army of hunters

urban musk
#

They'll be dealt with soon

languid wing
#

Yea good luck taking on 10 on your own

lunar harbor
#

Again, I'd imagine that these Hunters are better equipped/trained somehow

urban musk
#

agent's are grouped up in cells of 4 so it'd be an equal fight

languid wing
lunar harbor
#

Imagine they made a Raid, lmao

languid wing
#

Imagine they add hunters into legendary strongholds

urban musk
languid wing
urban musk
languid wing
#

Plot armor

urban musk
#

we could take down hunters with ease

languid wing
#

We have plot armor that's why

urban musk
#

and it's not going away any time soon

languid wing
#

Plot armor is very strong

#

Star wars is a great example of plot armor but that's a topic for another time

#

Without ploy armor we would be dead

urban musk
#

No kidding, but we have it so we better make the best of it

#

(or make fun of it)

languid wing
#

I don't like games that has plot armor

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Makes the game dull oh my character had plot armor let me do this proceeds to blow up a plane and gets hit by debris but somehow survives

urban musk
#

then make a fitting backstory for your character.

languid wing
#

Imagine if real life had a a respawn button

urban musk
#

Make a backstory that explains why they are able to take down multiple hostiles with advanced technology and tank bullets with ease

acoustic eagle
#

lol @urban musklove the name bud!

lunar harbor
urban musk
lunar harbor
#

Lmao

languid wing
#

I defeated them with the power of God and anime on my side

urban musk
languid wing
#

Proceeds to go super sayian

ashen jungle
#

Okay, back to lore talk now.

languid wing
#

yes boss

deft tiger
#

What exactly happened to most of the non-national guard military? I assume a good deal of them have pulled out to some strongholds on the west coast or the virus wrecked their chain of command. most likely both. The other possibility is that most of the branches are in on the new world order stuff. Still, a shame we never get to see or hear about proper warfare against the black tusk.

#

Maybe the third one will do it.

sick lantern
#

people going AWOL, dying from the virus, no supply lines, likely deaths of leaders, communications shutdown, generally a massive shambles
not surprising to see a lack of organised military presence considering the situation

deft tiger
#

I do think the Marines and navy could do well in this scenario, just keep patrolling from good city to good city in their boats like an infinite road-trip with infinite pit stops.

sick lantern
deft tiger
#

They already got their hands full with how detailed they make their worlds. I hope ubi gives them plenty of time for the third.

sweet imp
#

When facing Micro, Kelso days "be careful with he new toy". What new toy is that? Couldnt spot any new wardogs or something

late void
#

I think he was trying to launch a drone a few times but I'm not sure what type it was - figured it for a reviver drone so just killed it. Might have been something new.

sick lantern
#

when a boss supposedly has a special gimmick but you just kill them before they can use it, itā€™s like good old div 1 HVTs

sweet imp
surreal hearth
#

Hey uh does the name Vikram mean anything?

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It didnā€™t came up at first until NGN bought it up and jolted my memory fast

#

He was a side mission character that lead us to some battery pack until he set us up and try to kill us with hyenas

languid wing
#

Uhh all we know after he did us dirty is he vanished then popped up working for balck tusk we domt know how they met and worked together

#

We don't what he did between the side mission and current manhunt

#

What I wanna know is did he reach out to BT or did they reach out to him

#

If the BT wants you they are gonna find you

#

Me personally I wanted to put a bullet in him for doing me dirty

surreal hearth
#

According to NGN he believes that he was captured by the black tusk when they first arrived in DC

#

We all thought he would have been fed with leads by black tusk but Natalya had other plans for him

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She decided to keep him as some ā€œcontingencyā€ incase her ā€œextensiveā€ black tusk infrastructure fails

languid wing
#

Natalya knows how to play ball

surreal hearth
#

Not just that she mustā€™ve been taking up from an old LMBs playbook

languid wing
#

I don't think she's the 1 calling the shots in the grand plan I think mc manus is the 1 pulling all the strings

surreal hearth
#

Sheā€™s kidnapping people to either join black tusk or die at gun point

languid wing
#

She knows who can be used and Manulipted and who can't

surreal hearth
#

Sheā€™s been using Charles bliss playbook all along I mean how would explain the infinite numbers of black tusk popping up out of thin air

#

Black tusk MO is all about getting murderous, cutthroats, scumbags, the worst of the worst for a big private army

#

As long as they follow orders

languid wing
#

To be black tusk is a massive PMC im sure there are thousands of BT and officers

surreal hearth
#

Most of the black tusk weā€™ve killed up so far are actual former LMBs

languid wing
#

I mean there leadership took a hit we took out bardon and his BTSU took out a few other high ranking people in BT

surreal hearth
#

When she reach up with McManus he became a suitable partnership but after we threw a wrench of the hunter program and thanks to captain Lewis he pretty much cut ties to Natalya and went low

languid wing
#

Rogues are not her main concern its us shes worried about we have constantly messing up her operations she knows what we are capable of

surreal hearth
#

This however draw Andersons attention and decide to changed his mind about renegotiating the deal that Anderson refused in the first place

languid wing
#

She knows when and if bardon wakes up he will tell us where she set up camp

surreal hearth
#

She sees us like we are a chess game

#

I also got a very bad feeling on what manny is walking into

languid wing
#

She may be tough and have countless BT at her command but she can't beat massive plot armor šŸ˜‚

surreal hearth
#

True

#

Her LTs arenā€™t very bright either since they know itā€™s a suicide mission by us

languid wing
#

We survive cause plot armor

surreal hearth
#

Then again the black tusk are coordinated pretty well and putting up good fights

#

Been fighting their same patterns for years until they swapped and got my ass kicked

languid wing
#

I just go in shoot em all leave no surviors

surreal hearth
#

Even try killing them without radar? Cuss thatā€™s what Iā€™ve been doing for months

languid wing
#

Nat also has rogues well had rogues in her organization as well idk if she still does

surreal hearth
#

The ones we fought during our hunt against bardon were mere ā€œinsurance policyā€ pretty much a way to keep up busy and prevent any conspiracy behind Natalyaā€™s back

#

Endless discrepancies was necessary because of the insane deep state ties that Natalya might have and can put humanity in danger

languid wing
#

She also has mc manuses operatives in her organization they just have not made themselves known

#

Which means there are hunters wearing Blacktusk outfits

surreal hearth
#

Yeah

languid wing
#

I feel we won't get mc manus face reveal for a while

#

We won't get a chance to go after him for a while ether

surreal hearth
#

Itā€™s the arhmers manhunt all over again

languid wing
#

To be fair mc manus has a private army of hunters

tulip patio
#

not sure if it's an actual army

#

the selection process seems quite complex for one

covert knoll
#

Does anyone have links to Hunter lore? Or is it it that scarce

sick lantern
covert knoll
#

Hmm ok. I wonder if heartland will bring any lore

sick lantern
#

Doubt it. Nothing good at least I presume

covert knoll
#

Yeah. You never know to be honest.

languid wing
#

I feel hunters will play an important role in Y5

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We know they are not a big group id say probably a couple hundred ti maybe under 1000 total

covert knoll
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The final mission from last season leads me to agree

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Plot twit kelso is a hunter

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Hehahaha

languid wing
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Who knows there could fewer thrn 200 hunters working for mc manus and undercover in BT

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Hunters are not easy to replace

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Iirc in bardon manhunt or after mc manus said he's down a man and needs a new recruit

covert knoll
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I feel like in lore we don't clap them like we do in game. Like hunters don't really die that often

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They are smarter and have alot more forward Intel then we do

languid wing
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Hunters are meant to be elite spec forces maybe even black ops

covert knoll
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Yeah

languid wing
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We know we are being watched mc manus could of ordered the hunters to take us out at anytime but there just observing so I think they see something in us

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We know they watch alot of agents and kill the 1s they don't deem as worthy

covert knoll
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Yeah

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Kind of like he doesn't want all of us to die because we could join them

languid wing
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He sees our plot armor and is like yep we need that agent

lunar harbor
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Some Hunters are edgy as hell - the Hunter we encounter during the finale of Schaeffer's Manhunt still makes me chuckle from time to time

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Especially during that Haunted House encounter, lmao

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But yeah, overall - although it'll never happen in game mechanics, it somehow seems that the storyline is nudging us to a point where we'll somehow be extended an offer to join the Hunters.

And of course, because the game mechanics will never allow it; there'll likely be a cutscene where we 'valiantly' reject the proposal, while some players scream internally inside in frustration as all our hopes and dreams are ultimately crushed.

sick lantern
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it would be pretty hard to justify being a hunter from a gameplay or story sense

tawny frost
languid wing
tawny frost
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And with how hidden and shady the program is

languid wing
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hunters are not mindless drones they still can think for themseleves

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lets be honest bonney was never gonna make the hunter program hunters rely on their traning and skills he had to use a quad copter

deep marten
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Question: do we ever got any information on what happened to Europe in the Division world?

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And if so, do they have their own version of the SHD there?

languid wing
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we get some comms in camp white oak but not alot

sick lantern
sick lantern
deep marten
sick lantern
deep marten
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My bad then

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But to put it short, they managed to contain the virus well, but their economy is in shambles?

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By going from the video obv

languid wing
# sick lantern no way

Seems middle east is doing the best they have vast supplies of crude oil. So they are In a good position

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Many countries will probably trade with them

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They will control the global market for sure in the division universe

potent halo
deep marten
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Hmmmm, that's interesting

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Never knew that myself since I haven't played Warlords yet

languid wing
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Warlords is fun

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It gets you use to manhunts

deep marten
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Mhm

potent halo
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which is also the reason why I hit extra hard on those cleaners div2knuckles

surreal hearth
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China is in the unknowns they heavily isolated themselves from the rest of the world.

tawny frost
sleek plover
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Maybr we are gonna be invaded by the french

deep marten
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...?

sick lantern
lethal cedar
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kind of amusing to think that our dear cleaner heavy can still run at full sprint with his full gear with no issue though

sick lantern
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he lifts and never skips leg day

lethal cedar
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i mean, having a whole gas canister blown up on the back, and still, have a back....

lunar harbor
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Simply built different

languid wing
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Must be hot as hell in there though

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Especially since there's no snow in divisions 2 NY map

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But its fun when you shoot the gas tanks and the cleaners go flying

median crag
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Just thought of something

If the Division is within the relatively modern age, that means that the ISS is active. And when green poison hits, a lot of things were cancelled, which means there's a group of astronauts just stuck up there

sick lantern
median crag
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Fairnuff, I always forget the ISS has escape methods

surreal hearth
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Well we got a new problemā€¦.was able to get two dialogues ahead regarding to chirpy

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Captain Lewis feels very underlined by general Anderson regarding to securing the alliance between black tusk and the true sons but Lewis does not trust the black tusk at all

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Lewis keeps questioning the orders and now Anderson is onto Lewis plan

mint citrus
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Oh shit

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We need to go get him

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I just killed Micro the other day and am slowly piecing things together

surreal hearth
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Another target down

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It looks like captain Lewis has a very top secret army among the true sons

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True son defectos

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This is going to get ugly real fast once we hit the final target

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No it canā€™t be true son defectors because it would heavily spook Anderson fast and Natalya is one step ahead of us

obtuse arrow
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Probably going to have to save Lewis or Manny from the power plant

tulip patio
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people are really not subtle about having read leaks

lethal cedar
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you'd think with the new guns being prototype AKs, wold there be kind of some new prototypes from Korobov ? maybe exotic ? TKB-059 or perhaps "Cerberus" ? i mean we got the Israel double barrel AR already....might as up up the game and do the same for the AK, maybe even an AO-63 ?

sick lantern
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I feel like that would be a slight overindulgence in obscure Soviet assault rifles

cursive tapir
surreal hearth
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The true sons have been keeping the power plant maintain but weā€™re force to retreat by the division until black tusk and their hunters attack

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But then the true sons keeps coming back to that same power plant weā€™ve been invading for months after months

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Meanwhile killing chirpy has crippled the black tusk scouting capabilities as well as keeping both manny and Lewis masked from black tusk interventions

sick lantern
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I ainā€™t clickin that

ashen jungle
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Most recent Manhunt Lewis recording has got to be a new fave among all the comms in Seasons so far.
from a BT Sniper making random crow noises, to Lewis thinking that he's going to be just randomly able to steal 100 True Sons out from under Anderson's nose.

tepid ibex
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It's time for Schaeffer to wake tf up. I miss hearing that mans beautiful voice

surreal hearth
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True sons is a good to be ā€œtrueā€ but they are right under their ā€œsonsā€

lethal cedar
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now i'm just thinking about it....how strong are the NPC's fists ? i mean this whole "casually shatters your ceramic plate with 1 punch" is just getting oddly funny now (and also hyenas got that strong grip, shooting their super 90 gansta style and whatnot)

obtuse arrow
brisk nebula
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I mean ok if the plate is ceramic then it can realistically be pretty fucked up with blunt damage, most armor is realistically bad at stopping blunt damage other than literal steel plates and advanced armor such as UHMWPE.

It's also pretty standard for games to toy with damage numbers when it comes to difficulty, honestly division does it a bit better by focusing on spawning tougher enemies more often rather than just making normal ones too strong to fight and spawning like 30 of em

cursive tapir
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Also, game numbers are almost definitely not representative of in-universe numbers

Agents are not carrying dozens of magazines for three longarms as well as eight grenades and six SAPI plates

near basin
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plus 150 weapons/armors crush in one tiny backpack

surreal hearth
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Did you know the skyline tower isā€¦..suspicious?

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All agents should be wearing ā€œback roomā€ hazmat suits

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The tower has very repetitive rooms and veryā€¦.unusual fireteams of many of the random factions

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Then it slowly starts to resemble itself as a ā€œbackroomā€ like where do all of these factions keep coming from?

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All factions on that particular tower is unknown and carry some weird modifications like the black tusk using MG placements or their guns has a flamethrower feature, riker carrying grenade launchers and using hyena drugs.

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And cleaners using true sons rocket launchers

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Then u have outcast using cleaner artillery and hyena sniper turrets.

sick lantern
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general consensus is that the summit isnā€™t canon

languid wing
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Yep summit is not considered canon

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It really doesn't tie into the story

surreal hearth
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So itā€™s a backroom spinoff then

sick lantern
surreal hearth
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It feels like backroom because of the repetitive structure that building has

ashen jungle
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Summit is your basic "endlessly repeatable dungeon", nothing supernatural about it.
Although in the lore, a single run of it could absolutely be canon.

near basin
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Will SHD agents would camp in between the ride of the Summit? a small campfire and playing guitar to restore energy and recharge skills

lethal cedar
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actually on the summit's topic, someone did in fact believe that said building is the one in 33 Thomas Street, some sort of NSA communications building that lack of windows as it is build to tank a nuke

surreal hearth
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So this summit was some kind of NSA building many years ago

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And yet the enemy fireteams become more and more weirder on each floor

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The one thing that interest me is base on the agents loot and skills some agents uses different builds to combat the enemies that tends to change unit type formations and patterns

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Why is countering enemy pattern is important?

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Itā€™s because after fighting Lewis LTs or his ā€œdistractionsā€ many of their LTs have planted their forces onto various unit types to outsmart agents and you canā€™t just powerhouse your way against an army of elites

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And on the general Andersons black tusk forces have places actual BTSU among their LTs

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Chirpys unit was extremely annoying

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Her special units are mostly long range warhounds, grenadiers,suicide drone controllers, and lastly snipers

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But those combined forces can push you back hard

ashen jungle
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If it's an "NSA building" why are they licencing out various floors to marketing and tech companies?

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The only vaguely "spy-y" related thing in Summit is the satellite that crashed on the roof, maybe.

restive phoenix
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What are the odds that a satellite crashes on a roof anyways

ashen jungle
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I mean, without maintenance, they'd start raining down before too long.

tepid ibex
surreal hearth
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Hmm come to think of it theyā€™re were stuff that was raining down when the outbreak turned the entire U.S into a wasteland apocalypse

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The SHD might have autonomous planes that drops supplies at an unknown coordinate unfortunately it attracted a lot of attention from hostile factions especially the black tusk

sick lantern
surreal hearth
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Pretty much

sick lantern
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those are dropped from Ospreys which most definitely are not automated

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you can see them overhead

surreal hearth
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Hmm Iā€™m not gonna go too deep on these ospreys as some are divisions but others are also black tusk

tulip patio
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if you think about it, The Summit is actually the Backrooms, it looks off, it doesn't make much sense how it's all designed and enemies just randomly appear all through the place without any reason or logic

sweet imp
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Which linked me to "Special Containment Procedures collaborative fiction project", I'd encourage you to try to stay away from that corner of the internet šŸ˜…

sweet imp
near basin
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and if you venture in that dark corner, try to stare at it, don't blink

ashen jungle
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Suspension of disbelief factors in pretty heavily with div2 lore.
The fact is that even our Drones+Turrets make very little sense when viewed logically.

near basin
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magic seekers?

ashen jungle
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That one I can deal with, it's Skills magically regenerating after a timer goes off that doesn't.

sweet imp
ashen jungle
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The close-orbit around Earth is currently full of junk, that junk often does fall from the sky. Mostly in the oceans, as that's where it's designed to go, but still.

sweet imp
ashen jungle
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I just mean the regenerating thing, auto-turrets exist right now.

sweet imp
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Did my previous message get filtered or was it never sent?

ashen jungle
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Never sent.
There's no need to officially reply, there's only 2 people talking.

sweet imp
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Okay, we were talking two different things tho šŸ˜› sorry bout that

surreal hearth
surreal hearth
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Iā€™ve been thinking

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Lucky is our final target but thereā€™s a lot of unknowns regarding to whether we have Alliances or not

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The power plant is a bit suspicious I mean how many true sons are going to straight up turn against the black tusk as soon as we get there

languid wing
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in the comms lewis said that so far maybe 120-150 have defected which is not alot since true sons is still a large faction

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to be frank its a close fight the true sons who are on our side will be fighting with agents who have division tech but on the other hand the true sons loyal to BT will most likely have use of dogs and min tanks and maybe a few hunters as well

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but since we have plot armor we cant lose

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but lets be honest us the agents are gonna do most of the heavy lifting

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Ik its probably not gonna happen but I kinda wanna see some rogues thrown in there as well

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But hunters and rogues together on challenging/heroic would be brutal even for the most experienced players

surreal hearth
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Rogues and hunters never go together not one bit because as bardon had said before

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The hunters are the newer players of this war between the divisions vs the rogues

sweet imp
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Any chance that the Heartland town is somewhat inspired on Oak Ridge?

sick lantern
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...why that town specifically?

fringe gale
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was on the fandom wiki for the shd, and saw that we already have named agents for heartland in silver creek

sick lantern
fringe gale
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tru

fringe gale
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the enemy faction for heartland seems cool too

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all we know is that they're named the vultures and have bird beak masks

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but from what ive seen they look good

sick lantern
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fyi we are not quite allowed to talk about things that havenā€™t been revealed in an official capacity on this server

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exciting as it may be

fringe gale
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ā˜¹ļø gawshdarnit

surreal hearth
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There was also another faction thatā€™s meant to resemble far more psychopathic than the hyenas and outcast

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Which Iā€™m not gonna tell the name of the faction yet

fringe gale
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šŸ¤Ø

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they rlly like their psycho raider factions

surreal hearth
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The division2 went for a similar position like fallout4 having a lot of swearing and cursing raider like types in an apocalypse

ashen jungle
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Everybody just loves to copy their Mad Max I guess.

orchid pawn
ashen jungle
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The raider types themselves, tacked on armour, spikes, the fact that we have a sawn-off as a sidearm.
It's a bit mad if you start to look out for it in various bits of media.

surreal hearth
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Cutthroats, psychopaths, gangs, military regimes they somehow blend together into a one nasty apocalypse

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Oh a super corporate military regime hybrid that wishes America to be the New America

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To bad we never gotten undead zombies for resident evil

novel pike
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I'd love a special mode with zombies.

Like. Activate/deactivate like season modes.

Be funny to have a virus or something like a stacking debuff. And at x amount of stacks you just don't heal or something.

But at 2x amount you just straight up die xD. I dunno.

Be funny to see some factions deal.

Outcasts just. No clue. And black tusk just take then apart somewhat easily

Zombified HEAVIES...LET'S GOOOOO

sleek plover
surreal hearth
glad spruce
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4th target ain't up yet, right?

ashen jungle
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Assuming it's on time, it'll be Reset tomorrow, which is in about 37 hours.

glad spruce
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Alright

glass kestrel
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So, this is a little off-topic I suppose, but has there ever been a different ISAC ring color besides orange and red? I've got an idea for a story but I wanna keep it as accurate as possible.

ashen jungle
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Since it's based off a government system, there'd have to be some purpose to it.
What do you imagine this alternate colour could indicate?

ivory solar
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I can think of one other: none when itā€™s turned off

glass kestrel
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My idea is to have a blue ring, which essentially means a civilian wearing Division tech, but is still keeping with the mission. Perhaps a Division agent got tired of the grind and passed it on to someone they think deserves it, or a person scavenged the brick and watch off a dead agent. The blue light tells nearby agents "I am not officially trained, this gear wasn't mine originally, but I'm doing my best."

ashen jungle
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I'm 90% sure that would just be a red ring, since they aren't supposed to be using it.
And you need the rest of the stuff to actually use any tech.

There's also the fact that a SHD Watch gives us access to highly classified military+government facilities.

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I like to imagine that it'd be like the gun in Judge Dredd comics, where it just explodes if the wrong person uses it.

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It's an interesting concept, a "civvie mode" for a SHD Watch, but it would take a lot of stretching logic to make it make sense.

glass kestrel
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Yeah, so they wouldn't have access to all of the bells and whistles of the ISAC system. They can't get into system files, they can't hack computers with ISAC, etc.
Essentially, ISAC can tell that the person wearing the gear isn't an official agent and locks down most/all of the capabilities. However, ISAC is still keeping track of the person and their activities, seeing that they're assisting law enforcement, saving what remains, etc., so the light doesn't go red. Light only goes red when the person in question starts doing bad things. It would take a lot of requirements for the individual to access ISAC in full, turning the light back to orange, including the endorsement of actual agents.

late void
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there's a green shd ring in the pictures in that latest roadmap

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might be descent-related

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also, Jack Bonney's agent status was 'classified' iirc, that might give it a different colour

ivory solar
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Thatā€™s most likely just lighting or something

ashen jungle
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I've avoided any new images because potential spoilers, but if it's green then it's green for a reason.
Maybe (just spitballing) "green" indicates an Agent that was Rogue but went back on mission. So as a kind of "warning" to other Agents. Depending on the new content.

glass kestrel
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Oh, true, that's definitely green. It's the concept art for Descent.

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but it's not blue, so my alternate is still original

sick lantern
glass kestrel
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Like, her ISAC brick is still grey.

surreal hearth
#

The time has come to expose the black tusk dangerous agenda between Anderson and Natalya

glad spruce
#

How it'd go?

gaunt ice
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what dangerous agendas?they want to rule America?or they tend to be trigger happy on everyone?

surreal hearth
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Create corporate America with black tusk power and kill us all basically, Anderson is pretty much becoming a weak leader of the true sons, expect so many uglyness once the fight starts

gaunt ice
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pfff

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the true sons are like,a non existent threat now

surreal hearth
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We donā€™t know that yet

gaunt ice
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the only reason season 9 happened is because they sided with black tusk

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which basically gave them the resource but even then they did nothing

surreal hearth
#

Lewis is smuggling as many as he can without alerting the black tusk

gaunt ice
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yea but that even reinforces my point

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true sons is a sinking ship,a joke now

surreal hearth
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And I know the black tusk have contingency of their own if the true sons goes rogue at them

gaunt ice
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yea their contingency is to nuke tf out of those rats

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not like they're a threat

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to the true sons anyway

surreal hearth
#

That or unleash hunters to straight up death squad the entire White House

gaunt ice
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i mean they can but i doubt they can actually canoncally do an actual frontal assault at the white house

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if they can they would've done that

surreal hearth
#

McManus disappeared after killing jack Bonney is not a coincidence at all

gaunt ice
#

what changed then

surreal hearth
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That we passed his test somehow

gaunt ice
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like,think about this:why haven't they attacked us when they're at their strongest?

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when their forces is in everywhere in DC and have a full on operating base there?

surreal hearth
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McManus is one of the fewer in power that has connections with the hunter program

gaunt ice
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thats because they cant

surreal hearth
#

But then again McManus does not have the full control of these hunters

gaunt ice
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the rabbithole is so deep now it stops making sense if you think real hard into it

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chain of command goes as follows:McManus>Sokolova>Black Tusk>True Sons

surreal hearth
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Yeah and the trail gets even dry as plot starts to change for another hunt

gaunt ice
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if the dude has the trump card(Hunters) why doesn't he use it?

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thats because he doesn't have a trump card,he sucks lmao

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hunters are so common now

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which tbf we're lowkey omnipotent

surreal hearth
#

More than that maybe the deep state donā€™t want this kind of power flinging around recklessly

gaunt ice
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idk man,they could've just ran over all the other factions and claim legitimacy over controlling DC

surreal hearth
#

McManus left because of the re-negotiations for the black tusk

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Itā€™s was best that he doesnā€™t get in sokolovas way

gaunt ice
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step 1:rescue Ellis from the Hyenas
step 2:use Ellis to claim legitimacy with the JTF instead of executing civilians
step 3:destroy all the other factions as a PR stunt
step 4:pull a Shadow Company and denounce the JTF

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boom,now Black Tusk controls US,with Ellis being the puppet and the Division rendered useless

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it would've been so easy

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but they just have to make it complicated

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trick the Division into willingly aligning with Black Tusk,and use Hunters to mop up anyone who's having second thoughts

surreal hearth
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Actually

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The black tusk was extremely unaware about conspiracies

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See while we were busy mowing down Bts like crazy because we have ā€œout of this worldā€ gear

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Lau has convinced Bardon about so many shady dealings going on

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Natalya is the type of woman who is allergic to failures and doesnā€™t back down easily overall sheā€™s not pushover so she would go to extreme lengths for some ā€œoff the booksā€ backup

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When lau found out about McManus it was clear that some parts of the government is still out there hiding from the divisions

gaunt ice
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i feel like we're talking about different things

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Black Tusk funded the factions in the city for them to stir things up

surreal hearth
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Yeah but there was collaboration between the black tusk and the government

gaunt ice
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so it'd make perfect sense for them to come out of nowhere and "help" us destroy those factions

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they technically can align with the government

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and use the government as their puppets

surreal hearth
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The government sees the division a liability

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Theyā€™ll more likely to side with black tusk than the divisions since we are so few

gaunt ice
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the government also created the Division

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they can disband it idk

surreal hearth
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It was created as a mistake because of the rogue elements in NYC and thanks to keeners actions

gaunt ice
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what

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it was created as a result of Dark Winter

surreal hearth
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Yeah but keener has damaged a lot of reputations for the divisions

gaunt ice
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Keener was this spoiled mad hobo who got put into the program

surreal hearth
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Because of that the government can no longer trust the divisions

gaunt ice
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im pretty sure for every misdeed Keener has done we've repaid it 10 times more

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oh yea lets just the trust fund idiot PMC who lost their bases to 4 dudes in shorts

surreal hearth
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Yeah only to be torn down by black tusk out of nowhere

gaunt ice
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instead of the 4 dudes in shorts who killed 50 people

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just because another dude in shorts in NYC is evil

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point is,McManus is just being power hungry

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he isn't "doubting the Division" he just has his own agendas

surreal hearth
#

More like constantly putting prices up front for powers

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Power has become a capitalist sales for anyone that wants it

gaunt ice
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i swear to god if they introduce another bad guy after McManus that does "haha that has been my plan all along" again i will go insane

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it was cool the first time

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by the 4th time its just lazy writing

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also hi kirby

sick lantern
#

šŸ‘‹

surreal hearth
#

Why do you think This season is called the price of power

sick lantern
gaunt ice
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Anderson is gonna pay the price,there

surreal hearth
#

Lau pretty much made the right choice of killing him

gaunt ice
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and nobody disagreed tbh

spare arrow
#

theres a plane in DC, throw snakes on it and recreate snakes on a plane

gaunt ice
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us killing Lau is dumb,calling it

surreal hearth
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Our division protocol wouldnā€™t allow us to kill him

gaunt ice
spare arrow
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matter snakes: plane boarding

surreal hearth
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Of course because lau was a rogue wellā€¦..you canā€™t trust no one

gaunt ice
#

one thing i do like is how she blames the Division on killing Ellis,i was hoping that would be expanded on in some way

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but nope

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we mop up her corpse and call it a wrap,time to chase the next marvel villain for 4 seasons

sick lantern
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hopefully when Bardon wakes up that thread will be caught up on

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manā€™s been snoozin for too long

surreal hearth
#

More like we cut the heart of the deep states PMC and end the black tusk reign of terror once and for all

gaunt ice
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until some guy in a cave comes out and say haha i am the new bad guy

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sometimes franchises just have to either end of have a soft reboot

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or just have a new villain

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making layers and layers of conspiracy only for them to stop making sense once you put a single ounce of thought into it,i'd rather a blank state

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unless black tusk was something so subtle back in div1(since according to the books they funded the LMB after we blew up the uh,bald H*tler)

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what was his name again