ask-td2-community

[mental hatch]

nvm got it had to press g

thanks again 🙂

[abstract canyon]

btw to farm floor 90 do you have to kill all enemies then exit to lobby so it doesn't force you to go to floor 91

[mental hatch]

you have to leave 2 enemies alive and leave to lobby, if you kill all it clear the floor and get you to 91

[abstract canyon]

welp, there goes my way of farm seasonal exp through summit

[cold pumice]

Why would you do that anyway? It's REALLY bad xp

[abstract canyon]

im at the normal xp amount, im not at 20% anymore

[cold pumice]

What? +20% is permanent from owning the season pass and having modifiers active....

Besides that Summit is just bad for XP all round

[abstract canyon]

not for stretch goals event

[cold pumice]

It literally is.

[inner tendon]

+10% from the pass, +10% from the seasonal modifiers are both permanent.

just an FYI: you only gain XP from enemies on repeats of summit floors, they removed gaining the full floor XP each time.
The only way to gain floor XP again, is to fully reset summit.

@abstract canyon If you want to farm it efficiently, just run Prio Strongholds, the reward listed doesn't matter.

[uncut locust]

Hi everyone, I have purchased the division 2 from steam , and when I try to down the resolution to 2k and I press apply, the screen becomes frozen and I can’t control anything anymore, so I have to turn off the game by pressing on X , and retrying the same thing again, and it gets frozen

[glad cloud]

turmoil doesnt have expertise? right?

[worldly fjord]

Nope it doesn't

[inner tendon]

@maiden palm You can only share the contents of caches if they were obtained whilst you were in the group.

[maiden palm]

If someone hasnt claimed them then technically it should count as shareable

[inner tendon]

That's not how they normally work, but if it's different this time then more power to you.

[maiden palm]

I could be wrong, 2 others in my clan stated it works so I thought I could just try to find ppl, worst case scenario they cant share, idk

[maiden palm]

We also inved someone in hopes of him dropping a turmoil for us so i guess it works

[lethal plover]

What's the expectaion when you run into people who play Conflict, but don't contribute? They AFK aside from getting in-game flagged as AFK. 0 points at the end, multiple deaths.
Reports don't seem to do anything. There's always more players that end up doing this. Not playing conflict is just giving up and giving in.
What does it takes for the team who manages in-game moderation to do better??

[warm tinsel]

Just got this big horn from the summit. Is this a good roll or should I try to reroll it

[inner tendon]

@warm tinsel "dtooc" (or damage to target out of cover) is the ideal roll, you're good.

same goes for pretty much every gun in div2.

[swift willow]

It does work that way, you dont need to acquire or unlock the caches in a group. If you just let them sit in the season pass and claim them in a group, they are shareable

[nocturne siren]

@marsh tundra

@marsh tundra

[pallid lake]

1 - Is there a reason to run 5-6 piece green gear sets?
2 - If I only use 1-2, do all pieces gain Proficiency like HE does?
3 - Why do guns need more XP and Exotics even more for Proficiency?

[pulsar sparrow]

I used to run div2 with "fullscreen" setting, but for a few reasons i switched to "windowed (fullscreen)" -- what you would do is set your windows desktop resolution to the desired in-game resolution and if set to "windowed (fullscreen)" the game will follow the windows desktop resolution automaticcally when you launch it. this is much friendlier to alt-tabbing back and forth from desktop to game, and maybe will solve your problem too.

[shadow isle]

only reason I can think of for equipping more than 4 of a gearset is to speed up the proficiency levelling

[pulsar sparrow]

yes, to grind for expertise. the bonuses increase non-linearly and to your benefit the more pieces of gear or brandset you wear.

[inner tendon]

That is terrible advice.

Just do a Countdown run and donate everything.

At most it'll take you 2-3 runs to cap it out, maybe 5 if you're slower.

[slim elk]

Expertise is NOT mandatory.

[inner tendon]

Making your team carry you because you put on too many Gearset pieces will get you a reputation amongst players.

[rugged stratus]

1, No. 4pc gearset or no piece gearset. Rarely 2-3pc for min/max. Never 5-6 unless it's a project/journey requirement and that's usually just equip then *swap build back and business as usual.

2, 1-2 items will proficient a whole brad/gearset. Named dont contribute to brand or weapon.

3, Because that's the way it was coded. Brands take a ton more donations so it evens out

[pulsar sparrow]

well, it does speed up profieciency leveling, and it forced me to try out brand and gear sets i never would have normally tried so there's that. reputation? this is a game we're talking about, right?! 🤣

[inner tendon]

If someone joins your group and you have more than 4 pieces of a gearset on, they will know very quickly that you're not worth putting the effort into.

[wispy merlin]

something something don't want to waste people's time

[inner tendon]

or they'll assume that you are a drastically new player, and/or yeah, wasting people's time.

[pulsar sparrow]

you guys are too funny

[wispy merlin]

i mean being considerate is common sense

i don't sign up in every countdown to carry 10k shds with 6p gear sets

[inner tendon]

People's time is limited, being rude because you are trying to level up your proficiency the wrong way is just dumb.

It's inefficient too. You can get more ranks in it if you are able to sprint through enemies, than if you have to hunker down and not help out.

[pulsar sparrow]

isn't being considerate carrying someone sometimes? maybe not always, but sometimes. I mean, i answer calls for backup and folks are shd 5 on normal and i use it as a pistol challenge - i don't leave them when, i at least run the mission they needed help for.

[rugged stratus]

PTSD from when expertise launched just hit hard

[inner tendon]

@pulsar sparrow They get nothing out of having to drag you the whole way.

They get less loot, longer clear times so less benefit.

[pulsar sparrow]

ok, you're transactional and i'm less so i guess?

[shadow isle]

it's also possible that some players just don't realize that they would be better off crafting brandset items for those 5th/6th gearset items if the reason is not for proficiency levelling; I've seen this many times.

[pulsar sparrow]

catch you later, going in game now...don't want to waste too much time in chat

[inner tendon]

@shadow isle This is not the case here, they know, they're just not caring.

I hope you don't call for backup.

[rugged stratus]

See this in countdown and its guaranteed Lootcifer sacrifice . Rng be fickle these days

[inner tendon]

I see a 6pc in CD and I'm breaking out the stinger hive.

[rugged stratus]

-# propagandist level increased

[inner tendon]

I do wish Hunters could hack all skills, not just deployables.

I want to see a hacked Decoy so badly.

ooh, hacked firewall shield. It makes anyone in the cone behind take the increased damage that enemies would in front.

[wispy merlin]

lol

[shadow isle]

lol what the hell is lootcifer?

[inner tendon]

RNGesus cousin.

[rugged stratus]

The great one that provides when rngesus keeps screwing up your swarm caches

[inner tendon]

I've nearly gotten enough Purist and Lud from the caches alone to cap both of them out in Proficiency.

that'll be my cut off point for this event.

[rugged stratus]

I deleted about 50 levels of cloaks before I realized I was only 1 prof in them

[pallid lake]

thx all, did 3 + 3 on brands, did Striker's and Umbras but now Negotiator's getting me beat

[inner tendon]

why tho

4pc or no pc.

or you get the 🔨

[pallid lake]

I do solo only due to people having different definitions of 'time' and how to play, still amazed some get as serious as if all of PvE games are exactly like PvP ranked

[inner tendon]

Oh wow another one.

[rugged stratus]

But I'm already capped at 30 so I only need to proficient weapons they release that are actually good

[inner tendon]

I kind of love that Exp 30 is the hard cap.

[rugged stratus]

The grind has ended... for now

[wispy merlin]

how do i grind 44k shd with average builds?

[inner tendon]

I'm not sure what's in the air today, but people saying that having a properly made setup is "sweaty" or whatever, is really starting to become a regular thing.

[wispy merlin]

having standards is outdated now apparently

[rugged stratus]

Un nerf floor 10. Ez

[inner tendon]

div2 is a math nerds game.

you dont even have to do the work to make it properly, the math nerds have done it all for you.

literally just copy and paste the build, then go farm CD until you have it.

[rugged stratus]

But but I want unique build

[pallid lake]

I did 3 + 3 of 2 different brands of gold HE to max them all out, worked, now been doing 5 of one gear + Acosta's, be switching to 4 + Acosta's + 1

[inner tendon]

Am I speaking a different language or something?

¿ǝɯ puɐʇsɹǝpun noʎ uɐƆ

[wispy merlin]

you don't understand, changing 1 gear piece that has no playstyle change whatsoever is FUN to me.

[pallid lake]

Not just Div, a lot of PvE games I have tried recently some take them way too seriously like a trend in all live service PvE there is a portion of too serious people among the players

[inner tendon]

Oh for the love of.

You know what, you're right. Having a half-decent build is taking it too seriously. You absolutely should take an hour to finish 1 Heroic.

[wispy merlin]

any playerbase for a decent game will have players that just play a long time and know the game more. it's not rocket science

[inner tendon]

Screw those other players in your team, they're all nerds for having limited time to play video games.

[wispy merlin]

doesn't matter if it's pvp or pve. we're not playing hello kitty island adventure

[rugged stratus]

Its ok to be a casual. Also ok to strive for the best... dont be surprised if bad ideas get called out.

[pallid lake]

There is a valid flip side to the argument being put up

[inner tendon]

It's honestly not even a matter of it being a more "serious" game or whatever, it's just a matter of using builds that are innately bad because you are going off the wrong info.

here's a test: what do you think of the ninabike bag?

[pallid lake]

Div 1 is good, not tried in 2 yet and I am not on Heroic btw

[inner tendon]

That is very apparent.

[shadow isle]

maybe; not many are fluent in A.I Lesbian 😛

[pallid lake]

But there is a better test

[inner tendon]

@pallid lake If you're going to ask about playtime and say that you have a lot, just give it a rest.

If I idle for 1k hours in Eve Online, I'm still bad at Eve Online.

[pallid lake]

This has nothing to do with playtiime, you are making stuff up now

[inner tendon]

99% of the time when someone tries to brag that they are experienced with the game, they say they have 8000 hours or something.

[pseudo tundra]

Just join church of OD

It works

[inner tendon]

I guarantee you that they don't have Tink.

[pallid lake]

Playtime has NOTHING to do with the subject, this is beginning to sound a like someone's fantasy argument again and I have had enough of people making stuff up to suit them, bye have a nice day

[inner tendon]

You can just log-off, there's no check out time.

[half karma]

does anyone know the times for the hunter masks that are at certain times?

[inner tendon]

If it's night, then that's between 21:00 and 05:00 ingame.

[half karma]

ty

[final cliff]

super dumb question but my dmg feels so low compared to my friends at like 1.1bil and his is roughly 2bil even for OD

do the bullets he gives me count as his dmg at all? im sure no, but it just feels like my damage has gotten so low, is it because he has no ramp up compared to tinkerer-striker famas w/ killer measured? i just feel like im doing a lot less than before

[slim elk]

wdym 1 billion dmg? thats not even possible

[final cliff]

100mil i mean whoops mb

im tired.

because once it goes negative it means billion lmao so yeah you easy can, it just starts going backward

[half karma]

oh you're talking about the final dmg

[final cliff]

Yes lmao 😭 what else

[half karma]

no all of your damage is individual

i mean when ppl talk about damage it's usually related to the gun / gear set, not the scoreboard at the end that doesn't really matter xD

he could just be shooting more stuff, do you guys have exactly the same build and expertise?

[pseudo tundra]

OD chestpiece gives a large damage bonus for the bullet and sadist is also just a big stack of damage for almost free with the set

[mental hatch]

can we farm raid dh for a eagle bear or its limited to 1 time a week ?

[high glade]

You can only get the 4 keys from the boxes once per week per character. You always get one from the boss no matter how many times you do it. So first run of the week you can open the chest at the end, then you'd have to run it 5 more times on the same character to open it again.

[pseudo tundra]

very small chance from bosses

[mental hatch]

can we find keys outside raid ? because i already have some

[high glade]

No. They're raid exclusive.

[weak finch]

Agents, what are the above rewards? Not interested in the signature weapon skins

[wispy merlin]

it's the spec unlock

[rain nova]

How do you get the tinkerer

[weak finch]

What is that? Sorry if stupid question 😭

[cold pumice]

Potomac Evenet Center - The Manager manhunt finale. Guaranteed reward from Master difficulty completion

[rain nova]

Do i have to do the scout things first?

[cold pumice]

Scout 8 and 12 must be completed

[slim elk]

I did it on Heroic and got Tinkerer (FTC)

or am I stupid

[cold pumice]

Yes it's possible to get it on lower difficulties

[slim elk]

welp I guess I'm just lucky

[cold pumice]

Follows the 1/3/5/7 rule most other exotics have

but it's 100% guaranteed from master difficulty first completion

[slim elk]

rng was on point when I cleared that shit

[weak finch]

Im serious here @cold pumice what are the top unlocks? Please

[cold pumice]

As Average said. It's to unlock that specialisation.

[inner tendon]

as for what that means:
you know how when you press 4 you pull out a gun with no or some ammo? That is from your "Specilisation tree".

the gun itself is fairly useless as far as damage goes, but having a specific "Spec" active, gives you access to unique bonuses.
e.g. Technician gives you a free Skill Tier.

[weak finch]

Still dont get it! What do you mean unlock the spec, those are the final tier of rewards, the spec is already unlocked

[cold pumice]

Each specialisation has extra tiers you can complete for more rewards

[inner tendon]

If you bought the ultimate edition, you get instant access to the Spec Trees, but yeah, bonus stuff.

[weak finch]

Thats the answer, thanks.... it was already unlocked

[cold pumice]

^

[weak finch]

Was going crazy here

[inner tendon]

You should be doing those for the bonuses, they're all pretty nice.

e.g. Gunner gets you an outfit.

called "field research".

[weak finch]

Already did them all, full tree, only missing those two spec weapon skins

[cold pumice]

Check it at the spec vendor at the white house

[inner tendon]

You will almost never use the spec weapons themselves, and you don't even need to see them on your Agent, if you use the "hide" option in your inventory.

[cold pumice]

I do like pulling the Minigun out occasionally as a spawn blocker. Once striker is stacked it hits like a truck lol

[weak finch]

Yeah theyve been hidden since the option was added #divashion

[inner tendon]

adrede?

Ah.

[weak finch]

*added sorry

[wispy merlin]

what's a drede?

[inner tendon]

btw this means you still need to do the research to unlock all the extra rewards.

[cold pumice]

ad rede?

[inner tendon]

oh no, an ad read.

[wispy merlin]

lol

[inner tendon]

quick, get ublock.

[cold pumice]

Yeah I know, I just haven't concentrated on them. I let them complete naturally lol

[inner tendon]

They're super easy to do solo, and with how specific div2 can be, you never know if they're going to be a requirement for something later, or even the source of a glitch.

[cold pumice]

Yeah honestly, that's the first time i've ever looked at them properly lol. I knew they were there just never bothered with them

[cold pumice]

@tepid steeple check that he isn't set to DnD. Open social, click the group banner circled and check his status

If your friend is set to Do Not Disturb, he can't receive any invites

[silver shard]

im stuck at the high noon mission for the exotic holster.... i wait until 12pm in game time and the named boss did spawn, the one with cowboy hat... but after i kill it there is no exotic part drop, i have repeat doing it for 3 times already and same no drop for the rind... is this a bug?

[spare girder]

Is the gunner uniform only limited to gunner specialization if equiped

[leaden bane]

anyone know how to get rid of the "Meet Birdie" sidemission?
Its been showing in the castle settlement for Months for me now and birdie just refuses to talk with me on my main or on alt accounts, its forever marked as a mission on the map and has been annoying the hell out of me ever since it first appeared

[marsh tundra]

aight i woke up, can u explain the build to me ? why 3 piece zwia ? why not get a ceska/grupo piece ?
you also have 0 survibility with this

[nocturne siren]

Why? 30% weapon handling. Makes the bounciness of the rifles near non existent. Accuracy and stability are increased by a great amount. Same with reload. Your survivability ties in with Ravenous, firing from the left shoulder gives you bonus armor. Shield as well. Gunner for AoK. The goal is to play it like Vigi. The tank enemies just spam ravenous, or if you need quick health. Everything else will be killed by the M16

You are right, I could go Grupo or ceska, but it's not exactly needed here. You can have all the damage in the world but if you can't hit a target due to recoil at range, what's the point?

Also, who needs survivability, when everything is dead? Killing fast = Survivability

[marsh tundra]

i mean in that case i'd just go with striker tbh

[nocturne siren]

With rifles?

[swift willow]

Rifle is too slow for striker

[marsh tundra]

obv not with a rifle, and def not ravenous

[swift willow]

Im using eagles grasp with rifles and its usually enough but idk how bouncy is ravenous

[nocturne siren]

There's not many options for rifle builds sadly. They're just too bouncy especially ravenous

[swift willow]

That way you get 15% handling 15% mag size and dont need to waste 3 slots for zwia

[nocturne siren]

I took weap hand also to force ravenous to be pinpoint

[nocturne siren]

At the cost of contractors

BiS gloves

[swift willow]

Contractors are kinda shit tbh unless youre running lmg

[nocturne siren]

8% DTA is shit? What 😭

[swift willow]

If the price for 8% dta is to run 3 useless pieces then yes it is indeed shit tradeoff

[nocturne siren]

What's your setup?

[swift willow]

The stat itself is obviously good

[nocturne siren]

Bc I'm also running fox's which is for rifles as well and also gives more DTTOC

[swift willow]

Yeah foxes are great, especially on rifle

[inner tendon]

Isn't ND the Rifle build right now?

[swift willow]

OD imo

[nocturne siren]

Nego is good and so is OD

[inner tendon]

although Tink has a place for sure.

[nocturne siren]

But this is strictly high end. Would love to see the setup you have

[marsh tundra]

i mean, wouldnt u run breaking point gear set instead ?

[nocturne siren]

🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢

[inner tendon]

A lot of high-end builds do include 1 Exotic piece, and if you're doing it at all, then Tink is a good choice.

[marsh tundra]

its a bad gearset but like, 3 pieces zwi isnt great

[nocturne siren]

I'm running coyote for 25% CHD up close

Also buffs the team

[nocturne siren]

Then it wouldn't be high end anymore if taking breaking point

Sure I can ditch 1 piece zwi and then swap to Grupo or ceska. A smidge more damage. But what distance are you hitting those targets, and what's the recoil on those rifles? We all know rifles bounce more than a lowrider with hydraulics

Somebody give me an alt rifle build to mine and I'll calculate the tradeoffs rn

[marsh tundra]

what about virtuoso ?

[inner tendon]

@nocturne siren Compare it to the FMJ setup.

it's a classic for a reason.

[nocturne siren]

OD is super good. I haven't touched it with rifles yet. I'll run that test later today in game

But, for Convo and theme sake, strictly high end

[green wyvern]

It’s great with rifles tbh

[nocturne siren]

Anybody have one? Can't be determined

[inner tendon]

I always forget that people haven't used the name in years.
"standard red dps".

[nocturne siren]

[https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKhAsA2EAGFbUfegXAgHOFDMZqVmcrgJyHSzkMUrZyjBxGhPfnY0R1GQitjAdg0QT2nMJoDnHFgCE1MDA05jbBKQdUAVjSQkAdhoiZ3XNivM7yIA] (Zwi Ravvy/M16 with Ceska + contr + Fox's)

(since yes you yield less damage by taking 3p zwi, it's a no brainer. I did it for ease of use)

[marsh tundra]

also overlord piece gives almost same bonuses as zwi

[nocturne siren]

[https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKhAsA2EAGFbUfegXAgHOFDMZqVmctmKtBLOQxStgKwCcIco0oTf52DhB6NRFKnBjQR-Wc2CRQkuJOBgCC1Go4LeAhUkmoWaSEgDsHcXL65sN5g+RA] (Zwi Ravvy/M16 with Ceska + Grupo + Eagles)

[https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKhAsA2EAGFbUfegXAgHOFDMZqVmctgJyHSzkMUraRIR2OcXYCsB7JLkMpg4MaByZTy2YJFBi4Y4GAJzUKmnNDc5SMah5pWIAOw1u0q7mxWcdjEA] (Zwi + WH Ravvy/M16 with Ceska + Fox's)

3 alt templates with the loss of contractors and factoring in eagles for one of them

[nocturne siren]

I did factor that in but feels like Zwi would reward more. Due to mag size, rifle damage, and more weapon handling which benefits accuracy and stability

Ceska would yield more damage but 3 Zwi makes rifles recoil a bit more bearable

[pseudo tundra]

I do need to try proper rifle OD after the rifle chamges

[nocturne siren]

Same here. I've been branching out with different guns due to the last few seasons favoring LMG/AR. Used to be SMGs, ARs and LMGs but there's no good SMG to use besides SMG9

[pseudo tundra]

And i would argue that zwi named gloves are extremely handy despite the damage loss

OD is one of the few sets i would say you want slow heavy over fast rof

[nocturne siren]

I did test them out on the build when I was making it and I preferred the more up front damage with contractors

[pseudo tundra]

So most smgs just lose power really fast when fighting any heavy or robodogs

[heady veldt]

i always wonderred since I started playing the game and you guys who've seen me here know when i started. Have high-end pieces/sets have ever been stronger or pretty much what they are now? I feel sometime high-end pieces should maybe be a bit stronger than they are now in order to increase build diversity/efficiency when compared to green sets.

[pseudo tundra]

They were stronger

[inner tendon]

Fmj was the goat in its day

[pseudo tundra]

Gear sets with a few exceptions were EXTREMELY niche

[nocturne siren]

Gearsets are basically required for efficient damage for all content. High End is mainly just heroic and below which nearly any okay build can do heroic and below

[heady veldt]

I see

[pseudo tundra]

Would say they only became more popular at season 2 of the game

[inner tendon]

Arguably, striker is when it changed

[nocturne siren]

Which was introduced pretty early I think

[pseudo tundra]

Well eclipse, hunters fury were quite the bangers on release

[nocturne siren]

I didn't join the div franchise till like 2021-2022

[pseudo tundra]

And original raids and legendary were done with HE over sets

[inner tendon]

Oxi spam was pretty amazing in the old floorr 100 hunter farm, especially before summit was changed.

[pseudo tundra]

And the triunvirate (no clue how to spell it on english) was the meta

Contractors, hollow man and fox knee

All got nerfed

[heady veldt]

I was wondering because I started trying to make some ideas with builds and couldn't help but notice that it's hard to make a competitive set on high-end to OD, or Striker, or Heartbreaker etc.. I felt even with every possible creativity it felt short. I think having them a bit stronger would allow us to not necessarily always go striker/od/hb dps builds. That's where I feel playing now with more experience the game is a bit cornered into.

[pseudo tundra]

OD kinda sucked most of its life

[marsh tundra]

hard disagree

[inner tendon]

It should be noted as well thst this is before countdown and targeted loot was a thing

[pseudo tundra]

Just the basic change to mark and buff to chest is what made it better

Dunno the first year of OD being reassigned

Explosive ammo that was capped at 30 and you had to manually pickup

Then the fact it needed YOUR kills on enemies under status effect (not the mark) made it extremely bad for group play

And didnt share ammo

So it was a single DPS boost with unreliable mechanic

[nocturne siren]

That's kinda how I feel with it. There's not much build diversity and high end really isn't used much anymore. It's all like you said, strikers, HB, HF, hotshot, etc. I'd love to see high end get tweaked a bit more

[pseudo tundra]

going down memory lane, on release all gear sets were bad, first raid sets had very strong A&8 and just okay tips, negotiator was extremely busted just for PVP

[heady veldt]

yeah that sounds pretty rough.. I personally like OD as it is now.. I think they improved it for sure.. I was just curious because as is now, high-end gear is usually used for some healing or armor regen builds basically.. very little for anything else and it feels a bit that the choices really fall on a few green sets to really play the game.. maybe that's what they wanted as the end-game but I feel if high-end sets were a bit stronger we could have more creativity not to necessarily go with green sets to play.

[pseudo tundra]

well what makes hotshot busted is not the set but determined

so it doesnt feel like a set that stands on it's own

but tailored throne to determined

[nocturne siren]

And my counter point to that is, why not make aces the same way?

[pseudo tundra]

aces is a bit awkward, it was an extremely busted support set

[nocturne siren]

Same with true patriot being a team set. Buff it a bit more so it can at least be weighed in as a viable option

[pseudo tundra]

it either gave everyone 100% bonus armor, 100% magazine size or some other crazy buff like 100% damage for half a magazine

[nocturne siren]

Obviously not everything needs to be meta but make other sets worth considering

Hell, even Sys Corr needs a buff

[pseudo tundra]

oh TP has been a long conversation, i think devs are aware since every stream they have to announce they dont have TP news

TP had a very weird jank combo

pestilence pos rework to deal the dot damage, made the white flag buff proc every tick of damage

and on every enenmy

[heady veldt]

yeah, I mean if I could rock a high end set but gain some additional utility and maybe sacrifice 10-20% damage that would be a worthy sacrifice, but as is, no matter how I roll the builds, it will always fall behind quite a bit behind green sets.

[pseudo tundra]

so you could have almost infinite healing making you immortal

i mean i have still some gripes with OD backpack and set piece bonus of status effect which was obviously made for the previous version

aces being reworked into rifles did breath a new life into it

[nocturne siren]

I think in order to make TP worth it, they need to buff the talents alone. Make the backpack deal more for the team and the chest plate maybe have it instead spread to other enemies? Almost like eclipse?

[heady veldt]

I can see that point

[pseudo tundra]

breakingpoint is now the spammy rifle set (still kinda bad tho), A&8 is now the "DMR" variety set

works great with dread edict and other options

and apparently the damage bonus of the cards are universal

[nocturne siren]

Kinda sorta, but still is barely viable no matter if running HS or crits

[pseudo tundra]

so you can roll an odd choice like harvest pistol ot get bonus

it worked fine with an 1886 or bakers dozen

[nocturne siren]

I did run an armor variant of aces with dread and found it fun. But slow

[pseudo tundra]

did have some good success using it with the handsbasket also

[heady veldt]

reading your responses.. I have to agree.. I think the problem might be the fact that the game introduced/changed a ton of sets and now has reminants of old talents and stuff

[nocturne siren]

Love the handbasket such a perfect SVD

[pseudo tundra]

i mean there are changes that baffles me

tip of the spear

[nocturne siren]

One that baffled me was Striker backpack and obliterate

[pseudo tundra]

original version was a weird support pulse set locked to a specialization, so of course it got changed

[nocturne siren]

In pvp, sure, it needed a nerf. PvE tho? Why? 😭

[pseudo tundra]

but then it had an issue that the new bonus needed signature weapon kills and people quickly realised that sucked

so that got reworked to just be on hit

skip a few years

[nocturne siren]

Then all the other SMGs got slammed. Even Ouro. Rof nerf for Ouro was needed. Damage? No. Made the gun pointless to get

[inner tendon]

Arguably the weirdest change in the history of div2 is how dark winter and backfire were buffed in the same patch.

[pseudo tundra]

it got a complete rework ot be worse and now has the signature weapon kill condition again

[clever fjord]

didnt they also switch bag and chest talents around?

[heady veldt]

was Lady Death better than it is now? I mean I can see the amplified damage and all but it's so wildly inconsistent and the damage drop off is so quick that I feel it's never worth using even if with my run and gun in your face playstyle

[pseudo tundra]

no

they buffed it

[nocturne siren]

They nerfed the Banshee

[pseudo tundra]

they slighty increased the amount of stacks you could have with lady death

[nocturne siren]

Base damage got nerfed recently tho

[pseudo tundra]

if there was an nerf it was purely PVP sided i think

[green wyvern]

Honestly lady death isn’t that good outside of speed running imo

[pseudo tundra]

it works fine for solo play

but suffers from group scalling

anyhow if i had to vote for 3 sets to be reworked

1 - TP
2 - Tip
3 - Rigger

[green wyvern]

Yeah but usually better off with a smg with killer but it is funny to run around smacking people with lady death and claws out

[heady veldt]

so I saw in PTS they buffed Tipping Scales.. I guess it's more potent damage wise now

[pseudo tundra]

they did now

[heady veldt]

so we are getting another DPS set, the question is will it compete with Striker?

[nocturne siren]

Please add sys Corr to that list 🙏

[pseudo tundra]

that one has a lot of PVP implications i cant talk about it since i dont do PVP

[nocturne siren]

In a nutshell, the talent is too short. Needs to be doubled. Or, make the armor kit cooldown shorter

5s goes by too quickly. Make it 10s for what it is. Or, double the damage it does. Keep the cooldown the same

[pseudo tundra]

similar to a couple of things, like clutch, it was part of an OP combo that got multiple pieces reworked

[nocturne siren]

They really need to buff clutch

[pseudo tundra]

i think it ruined PVP for a while with intimidate and adrenaline rush

[heady veldt]

I really feel that some talents lack so much compared to some others.. like some require you to jump through massive hoops and some are dead easy to proc.

[pseudo tundra]

and from what i see devs dont want to touch things they nerfed before because of that

i still make jokes from time to time about how a perfect reassigned would work

[pseudo tundra]

guess what, day 0 PVP meta that ruined the DZ

[heady veldt]

I think that's the thing at the core of it.. I think they are hesitant to make big changes to talents/sets due to possibility of headache of breaking balancing.

[pseudo tundra]

no it's not even that, it's that there a not small list of things that were OP before and got nerfed, some a bit too much others were alright but powercreep happened

[nocturne siren]

For sure but nerfing it to the ground where nobody bothers to consider it when all they have to do is run Regen and adrush, it feels too cheesy

Cheesy gameplay gets rewarded meanwhile actually having to work gets punished

[pseudo tundra]

one of the reasons firewall has the fire effect on armor break was to counter like half of the PVP mess that was the first year of the game

good talk in general

now i have to do real life stuff

[nocturne siren]

I wish they kept that in the game but made the cooldown long

Good luck 👌

[pseudo tundra]

if you want ot know if something old was nerfed or rework i can probably remember just not 100%

like double barrels were uber nerfed for a long time, cause plot twist people broke PVP similar to booster hive

[heady veldt]

yah.. I'm just coming from what I experienced as a player now.. didn't have an idea of what it was like before or if they made changes already

[glad cloud]

exo mask catharsis. if my shield takes dmg, does that work too?

[willow wagon]

I got tinkerer on master. Will it still drop if I finish the mission again on master?

[heady veldt]

only a chance.. not sure what %.. I think it's 10% maybe (i know it's 10% on heroic, maybe a bit higher on master again).. guaranteed only on the first run on master.

[nocturne siren]

on each character for their first master clear, it will be a guaranteed drop. after the first clear, its a chance to drop

so if you need 4 dupes, run it once on each character to score 4 dupes

additionally if you have any friends or group members that have alt characters that dont want or need the mask, they can also share it with you so you can get more than 1 on each first clear (if they get the drop or they choose to give up their drop on first clear)

[willow wagon]

oh good tip!

[nocturne siren]

its kinda like the raids, except the master mission doesnt reset and its guaranteed on your first run. after that its purely chance

[nocturne siren]

anybody else getting infinite spinning circle when renaming outfit loadout slots?

[mighty portal]

i dont see it on mine, is it because im not lv40 yet?

[nocturne siren]

thats crazy 😂 I now have 4 nimble holsters

[cold pumice]

Possibly

I wouldn't worry about target loot yet, just concentrate on getting to 40

[green wyvern]

Yes targeted Loot unlocks at lvl 40

[mighty portal]

almost there! lv33 now, just a few more campaign missions

[marsh tundra]

what about this ? thats a lot of bonus damage with virtuoso, and still plenty of heandling

[nocturne siren]

Isn't virtuoso reliant on distance? And yuck, Ninjabike

[marsh tundra]

yeah, but thing is, you dont really need distance, the basic buff is already good enough especially with chest piece
ninja is by default cause i get nothing else that can provide good damage beside vigi, but we rely on bonus armor to stay alive instead

also allow us 20 rifle damage, 30 accuracy

i would take the vituoso bag, but tbh its talent is awful

like so much worse than ninja

[nocturne siren]

But any other high end backpack slot would be better than ninja lmao

[marsh tundra]

beside bloosdsucker, not really

u already ahve good dps with that

[cold pumice]

Ninjabike is just bad.

[marsh tundra]

yeah, i already know that

but there isnt much talent to go with that build

[nocturne siren]

Vigi, unstoppable force, composure, etc

Oblit, glass Cannon

Need survivability? Exodus gloves. Or unbreakable. Or bloodsucker

Or 1 piece palisade giving 10 AoK

I'll look into that build but I already know it comes nowhere close to what mine does

[marsh tundra]

but we already have bonus armor

with virutoso and ravenous

[nocturne siren]

based on this talent descr alone its super bad

[marsh tundra]

why would 40% damage be bad

[nocturne siren]

it forces you to play distance

not everything will be at distance

[marsh tundra]

no, thats not forced, you can play close range

you just proc the 40% bonus damage, 80% with chest piece

[nocturne siren]

yeah but thats dependant if you have the stacks. thats roller coaster damage. run chameleon at that point

[marsh tundra]

you dont need stack

thats for doubling the bonus + keeping active for 15s

you still get the base bonus

[nocturne siren]

"at 4 stacks, all bonuses are multiplied by 2 and triggered for 15s"

[marsh tundra]

yeah, so, if you dont get stack, you still keep the normal bonus

[nocturne siren]

ill craft the build rn

[marsh tundra]

if you get better than ninja im all for it

but virtuoso itself isnt bad, even if you dont proc the full bonus

[nocturne siren]

I got the pieces

but im 99% certain this build is definitely not worth it

[marsh tundra]

im sure it can be better

[nocturne siren]

modifiers off. ravenous damage is dependent on CHD

not looking so good rn

barely seeing 458k damage per crit

at max youre only seeing 650k per crit

[marsh tundra]

yeah it got less base damage, but you make up for it with survivability and the virutoso bonus

[nocturne siren]

my build modifiers off:

[nocturne siren]

i got more bonus armor off of ravenous than I did virtuoso. bonus armor scales off of how much armor you actually have

[marsh tundra]

how u get more armor without virtuoso if you get more base armor with it ?

[nocturne siren]

1 blue Core makes near 0 difference is why

[marsh tundra]

no but i mean, you still have the bonus from virtuoso and ravenous

you should get more bonus armor overall

like u should get 25% armor from virtuoso if you get a kill from beyond 25m

[nocturne siren]

Because the bonus armor relies on you getting kills with an AR or LMG

[marsh tundra]

no ?

its only based on distance

[nocturne siren]

yes. read the talent

want me to clip it for you for proof?

[nocturne siren]

"+20% Weapon Damage to AR's and LMG's.... AND 25% Bonus Armor for 15s"

[marsh tundra]

i just tested it

[nocturne siren]

It says nothing about rifles being included after mentioning AR/LMG

[marsh tundra]

it gave me armor

it says clearly i get the bonus damage AND bonus armor

doesnt need to kill with a specific weapon

[nocturne siren]

virtuoso is just ass in general

[marsh tundra]

it gives bonus weapon damage for specific weapon thats it

bro you cant just say its bad if you misread the talent and dont count anything it gives

[nocturne siren]

right but youre trying to compare a build focused entirely around damage to one thats focused around surviving

[cold pumice]

Just trying to reinvent the wheel at this point.

Virtuoso isnt used for a reason, its just bad.

[nocturne siren]

how is only max 650k crits good 🤣

mine hits upwards of 1.1m

the crits are awful, barely reaching 50%. the CHD is awful, barely touching 90

ninjabike on a build like this is a direct nerf

[cold pumice]

We get it, you want to try something new or play around with things. That's fine and power to you.

But trying to argue its good when it isn't is just plain wrong.

[marsh tundra]

bro chill, nobody said its good, i said im trying stuff

[nocturne siren]

its just not viable. its horrible

[marsh tundra]

but like you aint making this easy if you misread the talent of the gear im trying

[nocturne siren]

if a gearset is too confusing, why use it?

thats like trying to force a round peg into a star shaped hole

[marsh tundra]

its not confusing ? you're the only one confused by it

[cold pumice]

Virtuoso talent in itself is horrible and doesn't lend itself to any playstyle at all. In most missions enemies will rarely be 25m away, and if they are they won't be for long. The enemy AI won't allow them to be at that distance

[marsh tundra]

im reading it fine

[nocturne siren]

just remember these are the stats of your build compared to mine

Run yours VS mine and compare damage

having survivability is great and all but if youre not killing things efficiently, youre gonna die anyways

[marsh tundra]

i mean, if you compare your build to a base striker, im pretty sure you'll find the same problem

not counting talent is just wrong

[nocturne siren]

ravenous is dependent on its damage via crits. the right shoulder talent is dependent on crits. left shoulder is its own thing

[marsh tundra]

obv virtuoso isnt great cause its base wd and not awd

but like you need to compare correctly

[nocturne siren]

😂

if you wanna run virtuoso, be my guest. give it a try in content. then give mine a try. im fixing to run yours now in heroic missions

[marsh tundra]

i did run heroic with it, its fine, not the best ofc

[nocturne siren]

modifiers off?

[marsh tundra]

no, im never turning them off so i dont bother

[cold pumice]

Well you will be

Because they expire next week so they'll no longer be available

[marsh tundra]

not really, i'll just get new modifiers

[cold pumice]

The new modifiers won't make that build better (In fact they'll make it worse)

[nocturne siren]

its not performing so well and im doing lincoln memorial. a mission thats pretty damn open and allows me the best chance at hitting beyond 25m. god forbid a chunga spawns, youll be dumping bullets into it like nobody's business

im even purposely hitting within 25m as well and its still barely performing. with my build id be 3/4ths done with this by now

650k max crits, which isnt often to hit a crit. and im giving ravenous right shoulder armor damage the best i can. and its barely working. im taking more damage than im dealing, even with left shoulder bonus armor

id rather take all red at this point and play more aggressive and kill quicker than to be able to "tank" more

[marsh tundra]

what about this instead

[cold pumice]

The issue isn't the build, the issue is (again) you asked about it then argue with everyone who points out its flaws lol

[marsh tundra]

bro if you read my message the same way you read the talent no wonder u say that lmao

i said, again, the build isnt great, thats not the issue

[nocturne siren]

if you wanna know how its going, it took 2 entire mags with the build to drop the named chunga. theres 80 bullets btw

[nocturne siren]

that would be infinitely better than what you had me make

[cold pumice]

Except I didn't read the talent, or get it wrong.

So again, you're just arguing now.

[cold pumice]

I could have guessed that lol

[marsh tundra]

bro you're the one arguing for no reason

[nocturne siren]

hes kinda not tho. hes got a point

[marsh tundra]

i told u to chill, i never defended the build saying its good

you're the one telling me im bad for defending it somehow

[cold pumice]

I never said you're bad. I said the talent on virtuoso is lol.

[nocturne siren]

here in division, its usually within best interest to recommend an optimal build. and we all talked earlier, making my build best optimal is just taking ceska instead of 3 zwi

[marsh tundra]

sounds like you making stuff up

i didnt say it had no flaws

i said, the flaw you pointed out didnt exist cause you read the talent wrong

[nocturne siren]

to be fair, what Dorky is saying about you asking, you quite literally did ask about this build

[marsh tundra]

yeah i ask about the build, to see what to improve, but if you tell me something that is wrong, i will say it, thats not defending the flaws

[nocturne siren]

even reading the talent wrong, which is a mistake on my part yes, the flaw is that it doesnt deal enough damage to get through content at an efficient level. or be optimal for any scenario

[cold pumice]

Except everything they said was correct.

[marsh tundra]

lol try again

their talent description was wrong

thats what i said since the start

i said the stats arent good, you need to take into account the talent, and if you read the talent wrong, then it doesnt work

[nocturne siren]

and again, thats a mistake on MY part. but im not mistaken for saying that the build itself is just poo poo due to having very low CHC and CHD

[marsh tundra]

that doesnt mean the build is good even with the talent

[marsh tundra]

yes, exactly that

[mellow trout]

Can I just say virtuoso is in itself pretty garbo

[nocturne siren]

then that comes to a point... why even ask about it in general?

[cold pumice]

Misreading the talent doesn't make them wrong on the flaws of the build.

Even taking into account the talent, Virtuoso is just utter dog turd.

[cold pumice]

It's already been said, many times lol

[mellow trout]

If you wanna mess about with it fine but don't expect it to be super effective

[nocturne siren]

with that build btw it took me 2 whole ravenous mags to drop a named chunga. theres 80 in the mag btw

[marsh tundra]

if your base argument is flawed, your conclusion is flawed, you need to have the right argument

[nocturne siren]

160 bullets to kill it. even with doing the 5 stacks right shoulder, swap, swap again and dump more for the armor damage talent

[marsh tundra]

so again

the base stats are bad and the talent isnt great either

[cold pumice]

= The build is bad

[marsh tundra]

but if you read the talent wrong, then you cant say that, cause you are wrong

[nocturne siren]

was it worth humoring? sure. is it worth taking? well.....................

[marsh tundra]

so when i point out you read it wrong, thats not me defending the build

[nocturne siren]

we all wanted to know if it was worth it. and its not

[marsh tundra]

yeah

i agree on that, now that we got the talent right

[nocturne siren]

its got too many situational flaws. dont take it. youd be better off the high end variant instead

[marsh tundra]

thats how it works, but dorky doesnt seem to understand that proper logic is needed instead of a broad "lol bad"

[nocturne siren]

it is kinda just "lol bad"

[marsh tundra]

yeah after you read it correctly

[nocturne siren]

the stats alone shouldve told you immediately it wouldnt perform

[marsh tundra]

but thats not with that type of thinking that people will listen to you or that you will make good builds

[nocturne siren]

as ive exhaustingly stated before, ravenous offense damage is dependent on crits. the damage off of ravenous comes from right hand shoulder. thats the best burst DPS talent in the game. without good crits, youre not gonna be doing much, even for the talent

[marsh tundra]

yeah you said that already, i know

i was just testing some stuff and wanted your opinion

[nocturne siren]

my build is utilizing that right hand talent. in "oh shit" moments, you use the left shoulder. or, if need be, the shield

[marsh tundra]

i mean

an opinion that is "its bad cause x" and not "lol bad get better"

god i hate people like that

[nocturne siren]

without any modifiers on the build, and at max stacks with virtuoso, this is your ravenous explosive damage

on my build, without modifiers, and at max stacks, this is my ravenous explosive damage

the difference is MASSIVE

[marsh tundra]

yeah

[nocturne siren]

just hit for even higher

my crits are looking like this and so are my non-crits

[marsh tundra]

whats ur build rn again ?

im lost with all the versions

[nocturne siren]

3 Zwi, coyote, contractor's, fox's. for most damage, take 2 zwi and run 1 ceska

everything is CHC/CHD

[marsh tundra]

what if you replace zwi with overlord, since you already have 1 piece

to hit the 30% accuracy and have ceska

[nocturne siren]

that unlocks 30% accuracy at the cost of 30% handling. which is the same as taking eagle's gloves

or well, slightly better than eagle's gloves without the loss of a crit roll

[marsh tundra]

no i mean

[nocturne siren]

AHHH okay you mean ditch zwi

[marsh tundra]

take out 3 zwi, get 1 ceska and 2 other overlord

[supple bane]

So looking at the roadmap we get 2 seasons before the end of the year???

[marsh tundra]

yeah entirely

[nocturne siren]

then you ditch 15 magsize, 20 rifle damage, and 30% handling

for all of 30% accuracy and 30% handling

[marsh tundra]

yeah but you get 30% handling on overlord, the crit chance on ceska and 30% accuracy

idk the 20 rifle damage doesnt sound so juicy vs crit chance

[nocturne siren]

the handling on zwi goes into accuracy/stability. which the stability is crucial with rifles at range

[marsh tundra]

yeah but you get handling with both

[nocturne siren]

20% more rifle damage or 1 free crit mod

[marsh tundra]

yeah baiscally

[nocturne siren]

which at a certain threshold, more damage with the weapon means more than more crit damage

[cold pumice]

Yes, the next should be just before the end of the year

[marsh tundra]

yeah but its base wd, so not looking great in theory

[nocturne siren]

the mag size also increases your damage per mag

[marsh tundra]

mag size is cool to have true

[nocturne siren]

also increases ravenous explosion damage due to more WD, higher crits at the top end, bigger booms

[supple bane]

Mannnn i thought seasons went on for longer than that

[cold pumice]

Except that literally isn't what I said 🤣

Also....you should be in #td2-build-advice not here. But hey

[marsh tundra]

bro, just stop

[shrewd prism]

guys do i need to keep this im trying to make space

[cold pumice]

No

[reef solstice]

No

[nocturne siren]

Ditch it

[marsh tundra]

trash it

[supple bane]

Yeet it into the void

[nocturne siren]

i can show you what happens when taking ceska > zwi

[marsh tundra]

isnt rifle damage just added to base weapon damage ?

[reef solstice]

Increases the weapon type damage more and only for that type

[cold pumice]

You cant just make things up and expect anyone to take you seriously.

Just an FYI, I do remember you from before. You do this alot and get pissy about people telling you whats bad and why.

But hey, some people cant be helped.

[marsh tundra]

bro you're the one making stuff up

you're the one lying about talent not being misread

and you expect me to just agree with you ? not happenning

so enjoy joining your friend in the block list

[cold pumice]

Again, literally never said they didn't misread it.

I said them misreading the talent doesn't make them wrong. Because its just a bad talent. End of story.

[nocturne siren]

with ceska:

[marsh tundra]

aint got energy for liars and people flaming

[nocturne siren]

with zwi:

note: im intentionally not touching my aim stick. to showcase the difference between having and not having handling. these rifles bounce like a mf

[marsh tundra]

you got zwi in both video

[reef solstice]

Holster not chest

[nocturne siren]

one with 3 pc, the other with 2pc

[marsh tundra]

ah u didnt test without zwi

[nocturne siren]

no i didnt. the 3 piece zwi makes rifles incredibly bearable

[shrewd prism]

this one

[marsh tundra]

and 3 overlord ?

[marsh tundra]

nope, trash it

[nocturne siren]

ditch it. coyote is best in slot

[reef solstice]

If you gonna for rifle build no just change the 3rd attribute to crit chance

Oh nvm it’s mask kill it

[nocturne siren]

dont have those pieces but I might have something lying around

[shrewd prism]

thanks guys

[marsh tundra]

imma test it, just need a kneepad piece

[shrewd prism]

i will bother you here forgive me trying to clean my stuff no space

[nocturne siren]

all good we are happy to help

[marsh tundra]

imma try this, just need kneepad replacement

to countdown we go

[nocturne siren]

okay who at massive entertainment thought it would be funny to make overlord BP's not craftable

AS WELL AS A HOLSTER? bruh

okay, well, just for the sake of testing, im gonna Ninjabike it

[marsh tundra]

xd

[nocturne siren]

ignoring damage, im focusing on the weapon overall handling

yeah thats not gonna work. im gonna get all sorts of bonus attributes from pieces

[pseudo tundra]

lots of OG brands didnt have all 6 pieces

they were added later

so not everything has a blueprint

[reef solstice]

Btw why your game looks so different?

[nocturne siren]

i think every season they should add OG blueprints to the control points. so we dont have to sweat in descent to get BP's

[marsh tundra]

yeah i remember

[nocturne siren]

us goobers on PC are able to customize our graphics. including custom graphics configs like the one Im running

[reef solstice]

Cool

[nocturne siren]

we paid for our devices, we get to utilize our devices however we want 😎

[nocturne siren]

actually if we ignore the damage talents alone, I could just piece something similar together that would for the most part show off how ravenous works with acc/handling

[shrewd prism]

?

[nocturne siren]

Trash it

Punch drunk slots best as a mask on IA

[marsh tundra]

yeah but the damage talent are just too strong

[nocturne siren]

What I wanna know is how 3p Overlord would run

unf contractor's 2p bonus gives weap handling

[shrewd prism]

but we uni items comes with skills

[nocturne siren]

skills on a pistol build? doesnt seem viable at all

[shrewd prism]

murkami as i know we have the named kneepad from this brand

which part should i keep

[reef solstice]

how much gear you randomly picked up?

You returning player?

[shrewd prism]

3 chars full with 420 stash

ya we can say this

[reef solstice]

Holy

[shrewd prism]

like to try builds so its sucks when i keep all of these

do i need to keep this bag

[reef solstice]

Yes

[shrewd prism]

oh i already have my main builds for every situations

[reef solstice]

Actually forget what I said

[nocturne siren]

@marsh tundra ignoring damage alone, ive slotted something together to at least give you the idea of what 3p overlord would look like in terms of accuracy and handling. did calculations, and it equates to the exact bonuses that 3p overlord would give (30 accuracy, 30% weapon handling). ninja gives 2p overlord unlocking the 30% accuracy. petrov for the 15% weapon handling. Eagle's gloves for the other 15% handling (3rd bonus of overlord is 30% handling. 15 +15 = 30). the clip is only to showcase how the weapon will handle, NOT THE DAMAGE ITS GONNA DO

[nocturne siren]

going back to my 3p zwi video, its near negligible how it performs

[marsh tundra]

ok countdown over, i got my holster overlord

[shrewd prism]

this for status but comes with blue red

[nocturne siren]

ditch it. its junk

better to take more damage with the same talent as the perfect talent only lasts longer, not give more damage

[reef solstice]

Do you think he should just remove everything apart from his builds?

[nocturne siren]

like grupo, ceska, walker, etc

[nocturne siren]

im surprised that they dont know whats worth keeping and whats not tbh. if they know how to make builds, they wouldnt need our advice. depends on their level. i get they're a returning player but the game hasnt changed that much, surely

its not to be mean, put anyone down, etc. im all for helping

[shrewd prism]

im using imminence for my pistol one but i dont know about this if we need it ?

[nocturne siren]

if that was me in that position tho, id just trash everything and keep something meta

[reef solstice]

Kill it

[shrewd prism]

ok then

[nocturne siren]

keep that. its useful for a pvp build with Reg. headhunters fury would be viable for that too

[marsh tundra]

ok i tested more stuff, and i think we need a bit more handling, if we get 15% more handling the weapon barely moves on autofire

[reef solstice]

If he has reg

[shrewd prism]

okkkk ya i was thinking about this

[nocturne siren]

harvest will be farmable again im sure of it

[reef solstice]

Ye

[nocturne siren]

3 overlord is great but at the cost of mag size, rifle damage, etc, its just not worth it. recoil control comes down to the player

[marsh tundra]

yeah obv if you can control the recoil you dont need any handling, but like its really nice

but in that case you dont need 3 zwi either

[shrewd prism]

ya sure you can try now from caches if you have luck

[marsh tundra]

thats the difference you get with 30% handling and 45%, which isnt bad

[shrewd prism]

ohh lengmooo but this one is bad right

[nocturne siren]

Trash it

[marsh tundra]

yes, awful

[reef solstice]

Kill it

[nocturne siren]

Loot goblin

[shrewd prism]

i had red one i think i lost it xD

[nocturne siren]

It'll be back in that loot pool I'm sure of it

[shrewd prism]

im talking about the way we have now days

[nocturne siren]

Now shoot enemies 30-40m out

[nocturne siren]

Yeah and I'm saying harvest will likely be back in the loot goblin loot pool. They did it this season

[reef solstice]

Y’all mfs got me to go make a rifle build thanks lmao

[nocturne siren]

been quietly putting people onto this build 🤫

my Vietnam build bc the M16 🤣

[shrewd prism]

from caches i got many

[marsh tundra]

tested 50m, does make a difference, but its not hard to control i guess so not needed imo

[nocturne siren]

ditch. look for one with weapon handling and hsd. roll for armor

[nocturne siren]

overlord 3p?

[marsh tundra]

i tested 3p overlord + eagle graps to get 45%

but only 3p overlord is enough it seem

[abstract canyon]

when does season 1 end? because the stretch goals event should end a week after right?

[nocturne siren]

yeah at that rate id just go 3 zwi for the rifle damage and the weapon handling and the mag size increase. contractor's gives more up front damage. thats just me tho

[pseudo tundra]

both end at the same time

[reef solstice]

After this event it’s next season

Next week is the next season i think

[abstract canyon]

so it appears to be bugged, it shows season 1 ends in 2 days and hours

[marsh tundra]

i just went 3p overlord 1 ceska 1 contractor glove instead, the difference in damage is really small imo

[marsh tundra]

also i'd rather get composure than unstoppable

[shrewd prism]

talent looks useful

[marsh tundra]

not with thoses stats above

[shrewd prism]

ya

[abstract canyon]

see it appears to be bugged

summer swarm ends a week later than the actual season

[nocturne siren]

hehe boom boom

im not even running crit mods on my m16 btw 😂

accuracy and stability 😂

[marsh tundra]

but tbh idk if ravenous is even worth with this build when a normal ar would still shred

[nocturne siren]

absolutely right, a normal AR would just shred. this is the only build that utilizes rifles that is somewhat worth taking for all content

A&8 doesnt hold up. Virtuoso barely holds up. Rifles shoot too slow for striker rn. I know OD with rifles works, and same with Nego

[shrewd prism]

this is m16 ?

[nocturne siren]

almost nobody goes high end anymore. its all gearsets. so I calculated my own build based on my own playstyle and what scenarios might approach it. it dominated across the board. whatever I threw at it, it just worked

[nocturne siren]

correct. its a rifle

[shrewd prism]

🤔 comp talent

[shrewd prism]

i deleted 🫤

[marsh tundra]

u can trash it

[nocturne siren]

Junk

[abstract canyon]

sorry for posting this again but do you think that the main menu is bugged with the incorrect timing of the season ending according to the summer swarm ending a week later?

[nocturne siren]

rifles with Tinkerer and Boomerang/Killer

[nocturne siren]

the devs might not know about it, no

[shrewd prism]

🤔

👍

[nocturne siren]

yo @reef solstice

[marsh tundra]

yeah that show how the build we making is so weak compared to whats aviable xd

[reef solstice]

I just made that lmao

[nocturne siren]

for real 😭

[reef solstice]

Was thinking of using tinkerer with it

[marsh tundra]

i still havent made a build with tinkerer

but the possibilities man, its so cool

[reef solstice]

This my 2nd build with tinkerer

It’s op with ongoing directive that’s for sure

[nocturne siren]

rivens told me to give this a tickle earlier

(obviously killer/sadist is better but eh we ball)

[marsh tundra]

wait

[nocturne siren]

HOLY SHYTE THE DAMAGE

[wispy merlin]

there's a bug with boomerang not working unless it's on the first weapon btw

[marsh tundra]

what about tinkerer + boomerang + killer + dilemma

[nocturne siren]

figured as much

[reef solstice]

Now I got a striker build and hb and od and now rifle build might work on a smg hunter fury+memento

[nocturne siren]

hold tf up 2.8m damage to the body.... am i seeing this? thats wild 😭

[marsh tundra]

if you replace od with nd, you should deal a lot right ?

like, a lot lot

[nocturne siren]

3.5 to the head OML

[reef solstice]

Ngl im jealous of the shd lvl

[nocturne siren]

hours of my life ill never get back

[reef solstice]

What’s the setup

[nocturne siren]

this will do 3.5m to the head

[reef solstice]

I bought the game last month end of it and only been playing on weekends rn at 580s

[nocturne siren]

i was the psycho who did nearly 100 control points per day during events

[reef solstice]

1 more exam left and I’m done with school then college in few months

[nocturne siren]

do that for about 10 days straight, youll reach 1k in 10 days

if theres an XP event, youll get even further

[reef solstice]

Spend 2 days doing that when the 3x xp event was on

[marsh tundra]

wait for a xp boost week event and then farm control points

[nocturne siren]

try 5x xp event with this build

[reef solstice]

Went from 280 to 500

And made 80 lvls in 3 days cuz of strongholds

[nocturne siren]

this is how I farmed the stretch pass this season. absolutely broken asf

[reef solstice]

Ye ik but i think I’ll make it before next xp event

[nocturne siren]

you should see how effortless it is

[marsh tundra]

yeah headhunter + determined is def busted

[reef solstice]

I’ll make that later thanks I only can play tonight and study again for 3 days then exam day

[reef solstice]

I’m guessing it’s headshot mods and attributes right

[marsh tundra]

yeah i used a sr1 but its the same

[nocturne siren]

trust, this build is so much quicker

with the modifiers, just save the activiation for named bosses. guarantee's crits nearly so you just activate it and 1 tap a named boss with it

[marsh tundra]

imma make a tinkerer nd build

[reef solstice]

Hopefully they update the apparel cache items cuz now everything is 100% dupe

[nocturne siren]

correct. claw's out holster is a must

taking fox's or contractor's is a direct nerf. HH scales off of TWD

[wispy merlin]

i mean hh does scale off dta too. just not dttooc. the reason why we don't pick dta is it's not as universally applicable and is most likely overkill when it is relevant

[nocturne siren]

but would sacrificing 11% Pistol Damage for 8% DTA be worth it on this setup?

[wispy merlin]

again i'm saying no, pistol damage is still better even though dta does scale hh

hh doesn't scale only from weapon damage, weapon damage just happens to be the best option here

[nocturne siren]

running a test with it rn

19.423 with contr, 18.610 with claw's out. first attempt

[warm bluff]

2 questions

1. Why is the crusader shield at tier 3 when I have 5 blue cores? 🤔 (does it scale with 3 blue and 3 yellow cores?)
2. If I'm at WONY, do I have to travel back white house to switch specialization? 🙄

[marsh tundra]

anyone got the spreadsheet with the damage numbers for each gun since the balancing ? i need to find out which normal rifle are good

[nocturne siren]

Police Mk17, UIC15 Mod, CQB M1A

UIC is king rn

[marsh tundra]

well too bad i cant craft that one lol

i crafter a lvoac instead to test stuff

[pseudo tundra]

UIC just hits like a truck

[cedar reef]

How do i oncrease the healing on the foundry bulwark thingy

[marsh tundra]

aight, got some uic now after a cd run

what u think is the best combo, with killer, boomerang, streamlined, strained, and maybe behind u

with nd build and tinkerer

[nocturne siren]

Backpack or chest?

[marsh tundra]

ok this does hit like a truck

i love nego

im far from perfect rolls cause im lacking soooo much materials but still

[nimble spruce]

Unless you're sure you'll be using it with someone running coyotes, you would really benefit from swapping some chd to chc. Nego, boomerang and killer all rely on successful crits.

[marsh tundra]

yeah its mostly my rolls being bad for that chc lacking

but ofc we need 60% or really close to it to get max value out of it

idk if i should stay gunner tho

[shrewd prism]

cariban?

[marsh tundra]

no idea what that mean

[pseudo tundra]

better use the #lfg-playstation or call for backup feature

[limpid sequoia]

i feel like i've asked this damn question a million times before but i want to ask again, what's the best way to farm expertise?

targeted loot countdown or printer filament farming through shd levels?

[nocturne siren]

Pretty much the only efficient way yes

[limpid sequoia]

which would be better to do?
or are they relatively the same

[nocturne siren]

Donate junk, whatever you can't donate like exclusive items, printer filaments takes next priority

[limpid sequoia]

gotcha

[marsh tundra]

you can make a oneshot build, put everything else that isnt expertised on, and farm cp 4 a lot

its not fast, but its free ressources wise, and it drops items, and it gives a lot of xp

[inner tendon]

Just donate stuff from Countdown runs, it's really not that complicated.

and it helps you improve as a player, because you are actually doing something to improve your skills.

[fair ibex]

Thinking about getting the game but i see there are quite a few DLC's any suggestion for bundle at all? (i don't yet actually have the game)

Thanks

[nocturne siren]

I'd recommend getting the bundle that includes Warlords and Brooklyn. Can't beat that price

[clever fjord]

Bruh isn't that thing more expensive than them combined

[nocturne siren]

The season is near its end so getting the highest tier edition isn't much worth it

[nocturne siren]

It's on sale rn for 30 dollars for the entire game. Or 20 dollars

One of those two

[clever fjord]

I bought ny for like 5 bucks

And brooklyn + ny in that deal was like 30

[nocturne siren]

NY usually goes for like 20-30. Brooklyn is 15

[fair ibex]

i was thinking about getting the gold edition, but would i be missing on the year 1 pass?

https://gyazo.com/d03c77129b9b2419ad6ee889e711b947

[nocturne siren]

Just checked. Full retail value, the game is 30. WONY is 30. Brooklyn is 15. 75 for the entire game full retail value

[marsh tundra]

it's just a few side missions

[nocturne siren]

Year 1 basically just gives you all of the specialists and a few cosmetics. The specialists without the Y1 pass you basically have to do quests to unlock 3 of them. I'd recommend getting the Y1 pass because it's tied to stash space. Crucial in endgame. The premium credits are worth it too. It'll get you next season's premium pass for free

Go the ultimate edition. 30 USD for that is a steal. Very good price

If you can't achieve that, gold is okay. Get the Y1 pass when possible for the extra stash space and for the instant unlock of the other 3 specialists

[fair ibex]

Thanks for that! i saw it was 55% off atm hence im looking into it, thanks for the advice

[nocturne siren]

Hope to see you in the streets, agent it's a good game with a great community. For new players, it's filled with content

[fair ibex]

For sure! i have a little think about it and go from there

[jovial rover]

i'm kinda new to td2 and if anyone has advice on the best way to quicly level expertise i'd really appreciate it

[rain nova]

How to strike bavk at balck tusk

[mental hatch]

is there any bonus of playing in a group of 4 ?

[pseudo tundra]

more enemies, so more XP and drops

[marsh tundra]

you also go faster

[rain nova]

How do I complete the first part of scout 12 I tried doing black tusk activities but nothing worked

[pseudo tundra]

unless someone is bad

[pseudo tundra]

think you just have to do the invasions

if it's not counting, close and open the game adn try again

[marsh tundra]

yeah but we all good as you all know

[rain nova]

I'm doing territory controls that are black tusk in invaded areas it's not working

[marsh tundra]

territory controls aren't missions

[rain nova]

I didn't know it had to be mission

[neat minnow]

Is there a huge need for money in this game? I dumped 400k into guns to expertise 2 guns. Is that a waste or nah?

[pseudo tundra]

well it's one of those things that you are always using to do small things with crafting and so on, but it's not hard to come by

[inner tendon]

If you really want a fast infusion of case, I can highly recommend an "e-credits" reward for Prio Objectives.

last one I got, nabbed me 50k.

[tranquil turret]

Is it true that if you receive Nemesis through sharing, it won't drop even if you get the blueprint later?

[elfin holly]

Hi everyone, how do i do the first scout 12 mission if i have no invaded missions?

[inner tendon]

@tranquil turret Nope, once you get the blueprint, it's added to your general loot pool.

@elfin holly You can "toggle mission mode" on the missions that are already invaded this week to re-do them.

[tranquil turret]

thx for the answer. but someone told me that once u get it by sharing, it wont dropped even though u have the blueprint later. thats not true right ?

[elfin holly]

ok thanks for the help!

[inner tendon]

@tranquil turret I can confirm that it will drop, as I've had it in my pool since 2019 and still get copies.

[rugged stratus]

if its shared you wont be able to get the blueprint for loot pool unless you run invaded gwh while nemesis is placed in an alts backpack. if nemesis is accessible to the agent in use, the blueprint wont drop

[inner tendon]

Wait, get the gun or get the blueprint?

You said get the gun.

[rugged stratus]

nemesis in inventory puts project on hold

[inner tendon]

Yeah I'm confused now.

[rugged stratus]

the weapon wont drop either

no blueprint, no nemesis in lootpool

[inner tendon]

I think you're reading it backwards JJ.

[tranquil turret]

oh, then if i get the nemesis by share, "blueprint" itself will not be on my loot pool ?

[rugged stratus]

nope

but

[inner tendon]

The blueprint is locked to the Project, you don't just get it from getting the weapon.

[rugged stratus]

if you place it in an alts bag when grand washington is invaded you can get the blueprint to drop as long as you have 2 pieces

[inner tendon]

I think they're confusing getting the bp with getting the gun from someone else's TL.

[rugged stratus]

no, theyre just confirming that the weapon wont drop if someone gives them a nemesis, which is accurate

[inner tendon]

This is what they initially said.

[rugged stratus]

if they get the blueprint itll drop

[inner tendon]

to me that reads as "even if i get the blueprint, the gun itself gets removed from my loot pool if i got it shared before"

Yeah you can see why I was confused lol.

[rugged stratus]

yes, for sure

but its laid out now i think

[rugged stratus]

this isnt the reconfigure blueprint tho

i really need to write something out i can post every time gwh is invaded

[slim elk]

"sorry in advance for useful spam"

[tranquil turret]

so even though i get the Nemesis by sharing, still able to farm the bp and After bp, nemesis itself too ?

[rugged stratus]

yes. nemesis needs to be on an alt if you want to get the blueprint. so not in agent in needs bag or stash

[tranquil turret]

thx for the help guys

[inner tendon]

see also: farming out an adrestia for weeks on end, only to get a 99% perfect one, and realising that you can't reconfigure it.

my dreams of the most exclusive hotshot build are dust.

[rugged stratus]

got my 5th lex tonight

[inner tendon]

wait, wrong lex

[rugged stratus]

#6 soon™

[slim elk]

dayum let us have some

[inner tendon]

dont google that, itll make me feel even older

[rugged stratus]

you know what needs to be done 😈

i never get a good adrestia to drop

[inner tendon]

I ended my farm with a dta copy, but terrible HSD and moderate MMR.
I'll take it.

[elfin holly]

when i do this in game, it just resets the mission to the original 'blue' mission, do you know what the problem is?

[slim elk]

AFAIK you can't re-run an invaded after you have completed it

[elfin holly]

oh so basically i cannot complete scout 12 at the moment, if i do not have any invaded missions? Do i have to wait until i get new ones?

[rugged stratus]

its possible to run it again

[rugged stratus]

you may need to go on site to swap mode, sometimes map derps. verify it is an invaded mission, those will be the only ones that can swap to invaded

[elfin holly]

How to do I check if it is a invaded mission?

[rugged stratus]

probably get someone here to tell which are invaded. im not 100 atm which they are. i think jeff plaza is

[rugged stratus]

jeff plaza, lincoln, space admin, capital, and tidal basin are invaded

[solar vigil]

where i give feedback for PTS gameplay

[inner tendon]

@solar vigil You'll need the PTS role over in id:customize, then you can leave it in #1405490216768110654

Saved you some time and gave it to you, post away!

[solar vigil]

thank you very much

[elfin holly]

Thanks for the help!

[modest stag]

A crooked casino, as well as the game as a whole. Level 300, and besides this garbage there is nothing else.

[cold pumice]

You're literally getting Lex and Turmoil just for playing....

[nocturne siren]

I'm seeing 3 Lexington's here, which is actually pretty lucky considering it's only a 3% drop chance. The devs will be handing out Turmoil for those at pass 150 or above, so if that's what you're looking for, stop hoping for a pair. It's guaranteed. If what you are looking for is a raid exclusive exotic, such as EB, Rav, Reg, the drop chances are lower than the DZ drop chances. You're basically playing the lottery via scratch tickets. Play the respective content instead for those items.

Again, not sure what you're going for here, but to me, it looks like you're getting pretty lucky

[cold pumice]

Whats an instant prio skip or re-roll for you guys? For me it's this.

[heady veldt]

that's tidal.. I like Tidal.. Zoo is awful

[cold pumice]

It is Tidal, I despise Tidal. Its boring lol.

Zoo is another one thats a nope..FAR too long for no reason.

[heady veldt]

Zoo just feels tedious.. Tidal is just the right length and no annoying "wait" mechanics per se..faster you clear the room faster you move on

[cold pumice]

I like the boss fight on Tidal, good mechanics.

I just dislike the rest of it.

Zoo just has too much empty space and running for no reason at all and the boss fight is annoying (prefer the invaded fight)

I also dislike the monorail section....if you kill them enemies too fast you cant even pick up the loot because the game auto puts you on the tram. Lost a few exotics from the Chunga that way 🤣

Give me RI or DUA any day over those two

[reef solstice]

Does anyone know how much armor you getting from a expertise lvl30 gear piece?

[marsh tundra]

from what i remember, max expertise on all 6 piece is basically as much as an armor core

[reef solstice]

Like just 1 maxed out armor core?

[marsh tundra]

yeah, so not worth it considering the cost

[reef solstice]

With all pieces at 30

Holy what a waste

[nocturne siren]

It is if it's an armor Regen build

Boosts the regen

[marsh tundra]

i think spending so much exotic component for that much armor is trolling

[modest stag]

Why do I need this junk that is pouring out in the open world?! I missed it so much during 7 years of playing...

[nocturne siren]

Free component 👌

[reef solstice]

Ah chatterbox I have gotten 6 of those by now

While getting the parts and blueprint for it takes like idk an hour?

[nocturne siren]

What exactly are you going for with those caches?

[nocturne siren]

Barely if that if you Speedrun everything on normal difficulty

[reef solstice]

Ye like I think people should just get 50 lvls in the event and just stop doing this boring grind and go back to there old farming gear builds exotics etc

[nocturne siren]

Part of me thinks they are either going for Turmoil, Caretaker, or an exclusive exotic

Complaining over 3 Lexington's? I would've shit myself if that happened to me

[reef solstice]

I mean who knows they might bring back caretaker as a shepherd rewards again

[nocturne siren]

Sure hope they don't... Numerous parts of the world still don't have fully working MM nor backup calls functionality

[reef solstice]

And again if anyone wants the raid/incursion exotics just do the raids or incursion for them join gcrock server they literally help you get them

[nocturne siren]

Exactly

[reef solstice]

They did say that they’ll make next stretch event worth the grind hopefully

[nocturne siren]

I got my nimble holsters I wanted from this event, and I got my spare Lex. On top of the free one they'll be giving away. I say mission accomplished

Anything else I get is just extra loot

[reef solstice]

If I’m not mistaken there were like outfits and masks that needed you to login on that specific day they can put them in the caches for example the tactical helmet

[heady veldt]

do PFE mods affect the health of the shield when taking damage from elites nor no?

[nocturne siren]

They need to remove the junk loot, increase the drop chances, and introduce a star system that allows us to redeem for what we want (to make things interesting, put in the raid exotics and make them pricey)

[reef solstice]

I have said the same thing lol a special black market shop for stretch goals

Every pack gives like 1 point and item prices max price should not go over 100

[nocturne siren]

Now the question lies, do they reward you 1 star per level, or is it complete a loop and get 1 redeemable star?

Trying to think of a system that would be fair but not too easy

[reef solstice]

I mean pure cache or lvl shove better

[heady veldt]

I exchanged a few messages with someone from Massive in one of the streams.. apparently they are looking into type of credit system for next stretch goals..we'll see.. but that sounds like a good idea

[nocturne siren]

That would be a very good idea

[reef solstice]

Hell it would be better than what we got rn

[nocturne siren]

If they were doing it 1 level = 1 credit, they need to introduce something for the raid exotics if they were to make it purchasable. But make it pricey

[heady veldt]

that's game dev though.. you try to improve but sometimes you underestimate things.. so it's a learning thing.. I'm sure they'll make it much better next time..

[nocturne siren]

I'd say do 150 levels and you get your choice of 1 exclusive exotic

[reef solstice]

Ye like 100 for a raid exotic

[nocturne siren]

150 seems fair. You can do 100 in a day if you know what you're doing

[heady veldt]

i think raid exotics SHOULD be a chance drop.. they are after all obtainable from the raids..

[reef solstice]

100 lvls for one raid exotics or over 100

[green wyvern]

there should be a way to get the raid exotics without doing the raid it should be harder than doing the raid but it shouldnt just be a low low chance to get

[reef solstice]

Dz

[heady veldt]

but for other rewards like Lexi or Turmoils or similar credit system would guarantee you can get them if you play the stretch goals.. and still have some chance of a drop from packages

[green wyvern]

.0024% chance

[reef solstice]

Oh ye my bad

[nocturne siren]

Hear me out, 1 level = 1 credit. Make Lex/Turmoil be 30 credits each. Same for the rest. But make the raid exotics be 150 credits

[heady veldt]

getting stuff from raids is really not that hard.. a lot of people running raids these days will give you the exotic if they get it.. so you'll need like 2-3 runs at the most to get them.

[nocturne siren]

So, you have to pick... Lex/Turmoil, or EB/Rav/Reg?

[reef solstice]

Ngl that sounds nice

[nocturne siren]

It factors in a choice system. Not too punishing, but not too demanding either. Reward people for their time

[reef solstice]

Another thing as well give a better outfit I don’t wanna look like bumblebee lmao

[green wyvern]

i would glady pay that if i can choose 3rd attribute tbh

[nocturne siren]

You have to choose, named items, or the EB you dreamed for years of getting?

[heady veldt]

I am against them just giving away the raid exotics.. it would completely defeat the purpose of doing raids.. BUT you could do something like buy a token for 30 credits from stretch goals to increase drop chance for 24 hours to like 5% or 10% or something like that..

[nocturne siren]

So you can grind and grind and grind and save up. Then, finally get what you want

[green wyvern]

(for rav anyways)

[nocturne siren]

That's just betting at that rate

Bc then you have to keep caches on hand which defeats the point a little

If the season stretch is gonna be a grind, give players a goal to grind for

[reef solstice]

Not just 2 items to grind for and made everyone complain about it

On god while I was farming I was with a friend we joined his group and one then went absolutely crazy for the drops lmao like 200 lvls in and got nothing good in the first 4 days

[heady veldt]

season stretch should feel like IMO like this:

1. I can farm it for loot
2. I MIGHT get lucky and get a raid exotic (if you don't get it, you can still attain the raid exotic from the raids)
3. For items like Lexi, Turmoils who are not in the general pool, you get credits (including some named items) and after certain amount of credits from stretch goal levels you can get them guaranteed (buy them from vendor with credits).
4. BUT, you can still be surprised by getting htem from chance drop from bonus stretch goal chest..

[nocturne siren]

Pretty much. The reason I say make them 150 credits per (exclusive exotics) bc that way, if you choose to buy 1 Lexington (30) and 1 Turmoil (30) and you're pass level 120, that leaves you with 60 credits left. Not enough for the raid exotics. THEREFORE you need to keep grinding

[reef solstice]

Also does the caretaker drop godroll?

[nocturne siren]

I believe so

[reef solstice]

Well I have saved up some cache so ima test my luck lmao

[nocturne siren]

Not a bad take Tbh

Should they ever introduce a credit system, and they do put the raid exotics in there, they need to make them pricey enough that you don't abuse the system but don't make it too expensive that it's not achievable to the average player. And you only get a choice of 1 depending on the cost. 1 level = 1 credit, and making the raid exotics 150 each seems fair. That means you need to do 150 levels, and if you only play a few loops per day, that can take a while. Factor in time to achieve that level too

It'll take you MORE time to grind the pass than doing the raid, sure, but if people are solo grinding, it gives them a goal and reason to play

[dense basalt]

I'm liking these ideas

[nocturne siren]

It seems fair and rewarding. Bc let's say you do 120 levels in 4 days. That means you have 120 credits to work with. You can buy 4 lex @ 30 creds each. Leaving you with nothing. OR, you can grind 30 more levels, and get yourself an EB/Rav/Reg/Ouro/Bighorn

It's a grind, yes, but think of the players who don't have groups to play raids. Nor do they know about GC Rock or this discord. There's hundreds of thousands of them

[dense basalt]

Exactly

[heady veldt]

@nocturne siren my only issue is if they allow you to buy the exotics this way, after one season, why would anyone play raids or legendary content for big horn? If it's an rng drop, it's one of those WOW HELL YEAH I got it, but if you have them available after a bit of grind in stretch goals it would completely kill raids or legendary content for most people.

There are TONS of people who play raids, from LFG groups to streamers. You can join them even without voice. I run often with some of them and we literally do it with no voice. DH is like 30 min run. You can be carried, IH is like 45 min run. I mean I get people playing solo, I play solo a lot too, but come on..

I'm with you on other stuff.

[cold pumice]

Raid and exclusive difficulty rewards like Big Horn and EB should never have been added tbh

[dense basalt]

There's some console players that can't play raids due to not having ps+ or Xbox live or whatever it's called now. Which also means that can't do dz for a chance for raid exotics either. Think this would be fair for them to have a chance for it

[cold pumice]

Theres also people who cant play legendary, why should they be able to get BH?

[heady veldt]

IMHO that's a tiny percentage of people and sorry ruining modes for a tiny percentage of people who don't have those.. I mean you can't appease everyone. I think it would hurt the game tremendously and it would kill those activities. That's why stretch goals have them. They can still have a chance to get it. I just got regulus on HC opening the package. It happens.

But making them wildly available without touching raids/legendary would be I feel negative thing for the game overall.

And everyone can slap on striker and go into summit legendary.. farm a couple of hours and you'll get big horn on floor 10. Solo legendary is slightly more difficulty than heroic.

[dense basalt]

I never said anything bout BH n legendary

[nocturne siren]

It doesn't completely kill it. Seasons last 4 months and in those 4 months, there's a 2 week window to get the exclusives from what we have now as Caches. Some players, as stated as well, don't have the full multiplayer access. Meaning, they will never get those items they want. What I've imposed isn't meant to kill the raids. Bc with that argument, you could say DZ killed the need to do the raids bc those exotics drop there as well (exception, Regulus)

You also missed my point when I said there's hundreds of thousands of players that don't know that those Servers exist

We can't just assume everyone knows about GC Rock, or any of those other servers. Some of these people aren't even informed nor do they pay close attention to the community in general but wish to get the exclusive exotics. I see comments everywhere for those that do stay in the loop but don't know that GC Rock discord exists. We get them here, we get them on YT, and we get them across in game chat (especially when on PC, AR is targeted, everyone thinks it boosts drop chance for EB when it doesn't. And I have to spend so much time informing them via game chat about that and to just do the raids. I also inform them of GC Rock as well)

Another counter point to that as well is, if they do know about GC Rock and they know exclusives can be obtained at the end of the season... But they want the exotics then and there, they have to weigh their options as well... Wait until the end of the season or find groups to play with to get the guns sooner? 150 levels for the choice of your 1 exclusive seems fair. You have to play 150 levels of the pass to get 1 exclusive. That's nearly 20x more time spent grinding that than if you were to do the raid 4x, 1 run per character (and nevermind the fact that if 1 level = 1 Credit, you have to save up 150 credits to be able to purchase 1 exotic you want. That means for 150 levels, you're intentionally missing out on opting in for a Lexington or Turmoil)

And if you already have those items, you're grinding countless hours just to get 1 item

[heady veldt]

it's not a matter of GC Rock.. it's a matter of you chose to play a game.. and raids are part of the game.. if you start giving away items to people who don't want to play those activities in the game, you devalue those activities for everyone.

i guess ultimately it's on them.. we will see what they do

[nocturne siren]

That's a possibility, yes, but there will always be raiders in the game that play them for fun

And people have the choice to either wait till the end of the season or join those groups of raiders and get it sooner. And that can be played at ANY point

I hope they do implement a credit system. Would make this event fair. Fingers crossed 🤞

[heady veldt]

raid exotics or not.. I think credit system as we discussed I think woudl be a welcome approach for sure.

[pseudo tundra]

then the issue is how much is enough for that

[mellow trout]

I think the event is fine as is with guaranteed drops for the real fomo stuff and the rest being added bonuses

[nocturne siren]

I suggested make Lex/Turmoil/Caretaker/etc valued at 30 creds each. 1 level = 1 credit. Make the exclusives 150 credits each. It incentivise a choice system

Make the season tied exotics 50 each

Maybe even 75 depending