ask-td2-community

[amber estuary]

i heard someone saying "I have to do the WONY for mat" what does it mean?

whole campaign again?

[plucky mesa]

It's when you have a high shd lvl and you create a new character to cash in on all those shd lvls you get on a new toon.

[amber estuary]

okay so if i complete the whole campaign i will get respective SHD again on that chatacter?

[plucky mesa]

You just need to create a new toon, boost to NY and finish the NY campaign.

[plucky mesa]

Yes. It's only worth it if you have 1.5k shd at least

[amber estuary]

got it 🙂

[tame basin]

@thorn hedge Here you see measured HF intimidate full stack and 30 mag.

[thorn hedge]

What is hitting for 21k

Also you barely did that in a mag so kinda average

[rugged stratus]

Solar farm control point has a ton of mat caches in and around it. Resets daily.
Running around streets of ny also has a bunch of mat caches .

Wony is solid for mats but as mentioned above you need shd level to make it worth. It isnt a bad idea to have a couple agents with shd watches as you gain shd tho. The watches on alts are still a duplicate of your main agent including any scavenging points you've acquired. They also keep gaining as you use your main agent.
<1000shd will give , total shd÷5 .

1000shd will give, total shd-800

[midnight osprey]

ask. is it just me or manning heroic invaded no longer drop exotic part for nemesis?

[blazing timber]

hast to be invaded and you shouldn't have nemisis on you /your stash

[midnight osprey]

i dont have nemesis.

[foggy needle]

invaded zoo grants a RNG nemesis part you dont already have as its mission reward for 1st clear of the week. (not blue print though, and cant already have the gun on you or your stash, also need the part from tidal 1st, before any parts drop at all. )

[midnight osprey]

thats the problem. i have the tally part from tidal (deconstruct adrestia)
yet i finish manning heroice twice and get nothing from it
my nemesis part still one

[foggy needle]

invaded zoo right?

vs blacktusk

[rugged stratus]

It should drop a part even if it isnt first clear. But itll only drop 1 part.
Thenamesred was able to go back to rerun an invaded mission and get a part after he unlocked the project with tidal adrestia breakdown.
Also the nem will drop with just the blueprint which was also confirmed by same agent.

[midnight osprey]

but to get the blueprint at least i need 2 nemesis part

[foggy needle]

also yes correct, you only need to own the blueprint for the gun to drop from target loot

and yes need at least 2 parts

[midnight osprey]

thats the problem.. i cant get the second part from manning lmao

[rugged stratus]

Did you reset manning as invaded

[foggy needle]

so you maybe already got the part from invaded zoo this week or didnt do it on invaded.

[midnight osprey]

yes i do it as invaded. with the boss doing some mortar and stuff

[rugged stratus]

Ok

Double check to see if you only have the tally or possible a second part

[foggy needle]

also invaded zoo boss has several emp jammers at the end

[sudden matrix]

Drone off somewhere else.

[thorn hedge]

Fair

[hollow plover]

Anyone know how to get the dread edict into the loot pool I missed the season and every time a Mr drops it's either the mantis or sanctum imperium

[rugged stratus]

it should be in the pool. its all rng tho

[hollow plover]

I was having the same issue with the blue screen till I did the man hunt is it something similar?

[rugged stratus]

i dont think so. bluescreen was just season drop when it was its season. same with dread. they werent behind any activity.
the only exo i remember there being an issue with was ninja bike bag not being in the target loot pool. what are you running to try and farm it CD

[hollow plover]

Yeah CD and no luck

[rugged stratus]

might try a bit of summit just to see if switch up makes a difference. summit has a good drop rate compared to CD, just no guaranteed caches

[hollow plover]

What difficulty for summit?

[rugged stratus]

challenging or heroic and a few directives you can manage easily

[hollow plover]

Ok I'll give it a shot

[rugged stratus]

i do see a lot of sacrums in my own targets too btw. i usually target mmr since they have a 4 possible exo drops

[hollow plover]

4?

[rugged stratus]

nemesis too

if unlocked

[hollow plover]

That drops after the quest?

[rugged stratus]

yeah once complete it can drop

or rather, once you have the blueprint

[hollow plover]

I alr have the gun I'm gunna be sad I'd i see that one drop lol

[rugged stratus]

XD, look at the bright side, its all components you can use

[hollow plover]

Yeah man I need to component's too

[minor vale]

So i see the clips of dmz players with insane bullet sponge builds. Thats what sort of brought me back. Are there levels to the darkzone? Like if im just starting out around level 20 will i find myself in a lobby with them? I just wanna loot a bit and hop out

[thorn hedge]

theres levels but it doesnt impact matchmaking

[worldly fjord]

Isn't there different dz brackets? One for lvl 1 to 30 and one for 40?

[thorn hedge]

thats not what they meant

i dont think at least

[worldly fjord]

Technically they didn't specify character lvl 20 or watch lvl 20 but the text makes me think character lvl 20

[thorn hedge]

i thought they meant dz level lol

[minor vale]

Oh im lvl 20, havent beat the campaign yet

Id like to go in without fear of being stomped on

[foggy needle]

pvp has a high barrier to entry tbh, if you dont want to be stomped on.

[thorn hedge]

yeah dont go in

[worldly fjord]

Dont bother with pvp until you get to lvl 40, and dont even bother after that imo

[minor vale]

Sounds good 😆

[foggy needle]

if you dont want to be stomped on in pvp you need a good build, max watch and decent gun expertise.

[rugged stratus]

Can go into a level 30 dz. Probably a lot more chill with ppl just farming exo components rather than gear

[tame basin]

Yeah, that's why I said it only takes a 30 mag to kill a named. And the entire CP4 only took 3min and 20sec. And when I look at the video afterwards, I took the other named also with 1 mag. But the most important thing is to have a talent you like. Not everything has to be meta.

[thorn hedge]

depends on the content

[viscid root]

If you just want to loot a bit, you can just go do that. When you meet other solo players, invite them to join your group.
I generally find that I meet other players wanting to do PvP on me only about a third of the time, and when that happens I just leave that DZ and go to another.

[viscid root]

Do you not get group augmented XP when working with someone in your own clan? I've completed all required missions but the Keener mission in a WONY re-run and I'm just barely at level 38. 3/4 of the missions were completed while grouped with a clan-mate, and now that I think about it, I don't recall ever getting a "group augmentation active" notification from ISAC for the ones I did with only my clan-mate.

[viscid root]

Looks like you don't. I invited in someone from out of clan and ISAC did now say, "Group agumentation activated."

[spark crater]

How much max is max

[blazing timber]

as much as you can get

[spark crater]

Max i can do is lvl 100

[blazing timber]

get to shd 1000 first cause in fz every small thing matters

[foggy needle]

Max watch is 1000, after that is really just cosmetic levels

[keen pelican]

Is there a way to disable scroll to signature weapon?

[blazing timber]

azuremen's ghost 😱

[nimble spruce]

You should do, unless the clan mate was not level 40.

[nocturne grove]

@lament lintel
Referring to your post in the other channel, #lfg-xbox message
Does the level difficulty increase the drop rate chances?

[viscid root]

Clan mate was not; he was also doing the WONY campaign. But earlier in this very run (a couple of days ago), I called for backup and got a couple of lv.31-32 guys and those ones did proc the group augmentation, according to ISAC.

[nimble spruce]

Group augmentation scales everyone up to the highest levelled player's level minus one, so if you're within one level's range of each other it doesn't happen. The increased xp for faster WONY runs relies on one player being level 40, because level 40 enemies and missions give more xp than lower level ones

[viscid root]

Ah! Ok, that makes sense now. So basically we need to bring in a lv.40 carry at the end of our missions in order to get enough XP that we're at level 40 ourselves by the time we finish the mandatory missions for WONY.

[nimble spruce]

At least at the end of the missions, you might actually need them all the way through for the increased kill xp (plus having them there means you don't need to upgrade your gear until level 39)

They can fast travel to safe house and missions for you too, speeds the whole thing up

With a reasonably efficient level 40 shepherd you can bash out a full WONY run in about 2hrs

[viscid root]

Yeah, that's one of the first things I do is call a backup and ask him to get me to the safe houses. I was pretty annoyed this run when my backup was level 31, and then the next one I called was also level 31 or 32.

[nimble spruce]

Hah, maybe they were hoping for a group carry too

[viscid root]

When responding to a call for backup? I'm guessing not; I heard that lv. 31-39 characters can't get into lv.40 sessions, only bring lv.40 characters into theirs.

[nimble spruce]

Yeah, but maybe they thought a lvl 40 would also answer your call

[viscid root]

Ah. Or that I already had a lv.40 in my session. Certainly more efficient I suppose to have one lv.40 backup with several lv.31-39 players, I suppose, given that the call for backup can easily go half an hour without a response.

[nimble spruce]

Yep, and for the shepherd it doesn't make much difference if they're carrying more players, even 4 player scaling won't slow things down too much

[gilded jolt]

Don't u get increase health with the watch Lvling up?

[sudden matrix]

Also keep in mind when doing the missions in WONY that you wanna be doing all the side missions at the highest level possible so it's better to complete the main missions before doing side missions. The way side missions reward XP is 1/3 of your current level so doing them at higher levels is going to net you more xp.

[blazing timber]

i always do side mission after leveling up

[viscid root]

Yeah, but it's a small increase and health isn't that big a deal anyway.

[gilded jolt]

O ok

[viscid root]

The main missions reward the same for lv.31-39, and more only for lv.40?

[blazing timber]

if you are shd 50k or 100k that it makes a big difference

[sudden matrix]

Not sure what the main missions reward. I just know that if you are doing a side mission when a main mission is available you will probably loose out on xp if that main mission would have put you up a level. It'll also make a much larger difference once you are in the higher levels.

[viscid root]

I can't recall: does the XP needed per level go up from lv.31 through 39? I think it does, which is why I have all the missions' XP in my notes notated as fractions of a level, including the side missions (40% of a level). So I think it makes no difference; doing the side missions earlier gives you less absolute XP, but then you've delayed a main mission to a higher level which will give you more absolute XP.
In fact, yes, I remember this now; back when I was relentlessly optimising my WONY runs (though taking longer than just blasting through :-P) if I were close to the next level I'd do something small to get over it before starting a main mission.

The big missions are 75% of the XP for a level, the small missions and side missions 40%, the missions that hint the safe house locations 10%, CPs 15%, and other activities 6.9% (but elite activities were 10%, when I made my notes).

[sudden matrix]

I'm not sure of all the details for xp numbers, most of us have just done it enough to have learned the best way to do it.

So just pick whichever way you enjoy and have at.

[nimble spruce]

If you have a lvl 40 shepherd then you don't need to do the optional side missions at all, and doing the required ones like police hq can be done at whatever convenient point, you'll still reach level 40 by the end

In half the cases you can't even do the main missions until the side missions are done

[nocturne grove]

Any recommendations on which secondary LMG and SMG I should go for a striker build?
My main is St Elmo

[thorn hedge]

neither; use a lefty or rock n roll

[modern tinsel]

Are season pass weapons not obtainable anymore after the season ends?

[thorn hedge]

the weapons are added to the general loot pool

[viscid root]

Those ones you're talking about, like Hugh Cary tunnel, I don't call side missions because they're not optional. I call them "required missions" or "small missions" if I really need to distinguish them from the main missions.

Hm. I just posted the list of missions, and the message seems to have been immediately deleted, with no explanation.

[nimble spruce]

Probably some word or combination of letters triggered the automod

[blazing timber]

yeah usually don't type kiled

[nimble spruce]

Yeah I don't normally think of the required ones as side missions either, it just occurred to me that you probably could squeeze a little more xp out by leaving them until last (only the three though)

But conversely if the main missions also scale with your level but give a bigger chunk, wouldn't it better to leave those until last!

In the DC campaign the story difficulty missions actually don't scale, only the side ones do, so there's a clearer case for leaving side ones until last

[narrow kraken]

the talent on this famas seems very good?

its going to stack up right?

it doesnt seem to stack up? Mb not a good talent 1 moement u have good aim the 2nd its bad

[blazing timber]

not gonna stack just reroll that swap speed to dmg to Target out of cover and you are fine just be on a lookout for regular one

[narrow kraken]

i think this was one i crafted

[blazing timber]

mhh not bad but your Library need work

[narrow kraken]

not changed anything

[narrow kraken]

the talent is sledghammer and i cant change it

i think i changed 1 of them and that was DMG out of cover

nvm then not a crafted one

[blazing timber]

rip recalibration allowed only once

[viscid root]

I don't think you can. Looking back, I'm pretty sure I checked the XP from all of those missions at different levels, and they were always the same percentage of the level. And I do remember doing activities when I was near the next level to ensure I'd level up before finishing the next mission I did, because that got me more XP.

[sudden matrix]

I do think the carry provides scaled kill xp and it ends up netting you a ton of xp over the entire wony run. This might be why a carry lets you hit 40 much quicker.

[viscid root]

It's not the scaled kill XP, which is pretty minimal: it's that you're getting 75% of a level at level 40, rather than 75% of the XP of level 31 or whatever, when you complete a main mission. So it occurs to me now, the most important time to have a level 40 shepherd is at the start, and it becomes progressively less important as you become higher in level.

[nimble spruce]

Might be worth testing that assumption further, eg by getting a lvl 40 carry through the whole first mission vs only jumping in at the end.

Certainly scaled kill xp makes a huge difference when carrying through DC story : a new player will gain about 5 levels just from the opening passageway in federal bunker if they get a carry

[viscid root]

You need just look at the XP it takes to do the earlier levels (I would do this, but I just completed a run, so it will have to wait at least a week for me) and the XP you get when completing a mission with a level 40 in your group.

[viscid root]

Yeah, but there's a much larger difference in levels there, between say level 15 (or even less, if you're talking about a really new player) and level 40.

Oh, wait! I have the XP/level in my notes.

[sudden matrix]

Really you'd have to document all the xp and where it comes from and how it changes as you level. By documenting I mean you'd really have to record your gameplay and check where all the xp comes from.

[viscid root]

                0    1    2    3    4    5    6    7    8    9
    lv. 1-9        2250 3900 6450 9900  14k  20k  26k  33k  41k
    lv.10-19   50k       70k  81k  94k 107k 122k 137k 152k 170k
    lv.20-29  188k 206k 226k 246k 268k 290k 314k 338k 363k 389k
    WT. 1-5   415k spec pts/field prof
    lv.30-39  416k 443k 472k 501k 532k 563k 596k 629k 663k 698k
    lv.40     700k/SHD pt (only after Keener mission)
                0    1    2    3    4    5    6    7    8    9

[sudden matrix]

You get xp from collectables, side missions, main missions, kill xp. I personally never do any other activities or side missions and you should be lvl 40 before castle clinton or during it.

[nimble spruce]

I usually do castle Clinton immediately after Hugh Carey tunnel (since it saves on running time) and leave wall Street until last as it's got all the loot at the end, better to have it at level 40

[viscid root]

You hit level 31 before you get to Haven, so if you do your first main mission with a level 40, you should see 490k, bumping you by a little more than a full level. And another one after that will bump you one full level. So that puts you more than half a level ahead right there.

[sudden matrix]

I have keener mission gear but if I have the carry at the end of the mission waiting I don't bother.

[viscid root]

Can you do that? You just go there and it becomes available? I thought you had to complete all the other mandatory missions before it pops up.

[nimble spruce]

Quite a lot of the time I'm carrying HC so they need a new set of level 40 gear (no stash)

[nimble spruce]

You have to complete 2 of the targets before it becomes available, so I always do Parnell and Conley first

[viscid root]

I do have the mission completion XP documented. It's (.75 + .40 + .30)*4 + .40 (four targets each with a main mission, smaller mission and safe house computer, plus Castle Clinton). That comes out to 6.2, leaving you at level 37.2. I usually come out just past level 38 without a Shepherd, so all the other XP from kills, pick-ups etc. is under 15% of the total.

[sudden matrix]

So moral of the story a lvl 40 carry is worth a ton in time savings because it makes you much more powerful and saves you from gaining 2 levels? Is that what this talk is all about?

[viscid root]

If I understand you correctly, yes. It leaves you at level 40 instead of level 38 at the end of the mandatory missions, so you don't have to go and do almost two full levels of XP (about 1.3 million XP) on the two side missions (together worth 80% of a level) and open world activities 7-15% of a level each) before you can do Keener.

[blazing timber]

bruh if you are playing just enjoy what's few more minutes

[viscid root]

It's rather more than a few minutes. Two side missions plus seven CPs.

Finishing just one main mission with a lv.40 boost can drop 2-3 of those CPs off that list.

[sudden matrix]

NO FUN ONLY OPTIMIZATION AND GRINDING. Jokes aside, I personally don't wanna spend more time than I have to in WONY runs.

[blazing timber]

yeah but i haven't run for like months

i still have two characters with around 7-8k shd total

and already at 23 so i will do it maybe next season or mext to mext who knows

[viscid root]

Yeah, once you're up to that level it's not such a big deal. But for those of us with only 2-3k SHD....

Oh, if your'e lucky enough to come across a hostage rescue, that gives you a Challenging bounty, which is worth about a third of a level. That cuts off 2-3 CPs right there.

[sudden matrix]

Am only 18 expertise and I've kinda run low on exo components otherwise I'd probably push it higher with WONY runs. I actually don't do much to progress my game/builds/character much anymore. Mostly get on to help others play/teach about the game. I recently quit my speeds team too cause I wasn't enjoying it either.

[blazing timber]

same nowadays just shooting stuff teaching new players exos are difficult to get in those quantities

[sudden matrix]

Yeah idk if I feel like farming DZ hell. It can net up to like 15-20 components an hour but we are talking about needing a ton of luck for that to happen. I'd say you'd probably average like 8 an hour if you took all the time involved.

I should do liberty runs cause I've stacked up a ton of D50s.

[blazing timber]

they never gave increased exo components rate from cp chest i used to get an exo every 2-3 cp now even that is gone

[thorn hedge]

yeah ive been told "wdym they never changed it" no they 100% did lmao

[sudden matrix]

Yeah I'd say I see a CP exo comp like 1-15 or so.

[thorn hedge]

it is not 25%

[sudden matrix]

I'm always like WOW I got one when I actually do.

[thorn hedge]

its not 25% lol

[nimble spruce]

25% is supposed to be the dz rate isn't it? 10% was the CP rate iirc

[thorn hedge]

dz still aint 25% lol

[blazing timber]

haven't gotten a single exo in like 10-15 cps

[sudden matrix]

Sounds about right.

[narrow kraken]

Vector talent is flatline
Which one is the better one

[wispy merlin]

what's the talent of the banshee

[thorn hedge]

flatline vector sounds like an awful idea

[foggy needle]

banshee, because its not a vector 🤣

[thorn hedge]

remember when vector was good

damn TU1 was the good ol days

[blazing timber]

it is good caue you can fit lazer pointer

[thorn hedge]

but its bad because its a vector

[foggy needle]

Vector small damage per mag holds it back, with flatline, it still has that issue

[blazing timber]

bruh vector is the highest dps smg

[thorn hedge]

burst yes sustained hell no

[blazing timber]

fast hands

[foggy needle]

but lowest damage per mag and highest chance at struggling to 1 mag

[thorn hedge]

lol fast hands on a vector

[blazing timber]

the 5 bullets can make a difference i see

[civic lily]

Unwavering

[thorn hedge]

i miss TU1 where vectors werent complete dogshit

[blazing timber]

with sleipner

[foggy needle]

not just 5 bullets, those also have less damage per bullet.

[blazing timber]

that too

[foggy needle]

also its more then 5. banshee is 52, vector is 45

[wispy merlin]

i am cmmg banshee user and I'm not switching anytime soon

[blazing timber]

i am MPX user

[foggy needle]

Unwavering vector actually is good, but as your 2nd weapon, not your main 😛

[civic lily]

I'm definitely one of the smg users of all time

[blazing timber]

but you run binoculars cmmg banshee

[wispy merlin]

no i run it with HHF in case i need crit

[thorn hedge]

1 of like 3 people who actually use smgs

[civic lily]

as a second weapon*

[blazing timber]

perfect vindictive

[wispy merlin]

i don't use smg, you don't use smg, then that means...

*insert looking at camera joke here*

[thorn hedge]

3 total*

[wispy merlin]

i know

[blazing timber]

perfect outsider focus

[wispy merlin]

okay grandpa let's get you to bed now

[blazing timber]

first buy me a TWINSCAN NXE:3600D

[civic lily]

back in my day st elmos didn't exist and everyone was happy

[wispy merlin]

that's 50 years ago

[thorn hedge]

no people whined about literally fucking everything

[civic lily]

Well now we've concentrated all of that whining to a single exotic

[blazing timber]

that's 69* years ago

[thorn hedge]

whenever anything is slightly too difficult people complain and it gets nerfed into oblivion

thats why i want a mission that just nver gets nerfed period

[wispy merlin]

i had fun in zoo solo, i don't think i'll have that fun again

[sudden matrix]

Nice.

[blazing timber]

@wispy merlin grandson buy me this TWINSCAN NXE:3600D very affordable

[civic lily]

roosevelt island is the only stronghold I'm willing to solo

[sudden matrix]

Yall need to define difficulty. There are tons of ways to make a game more difficult such as, more enemy health, more enemy damage, mechanics that require builds, timed events or puzzles, more aggressive AI, and so on a so forth. So when people say I wish the game was more difficult I always think how?

[civic lily]

give all enemies hunter ai

[viscid root]

It's so easy to make the game more difficult: just switch to a less meta loadout.

[thorn hedge]

everything

literally just everything

all at once

[civic lily]

Disable one shot protection

[wispy merlin]

REAL

make one shot protection cooldown 5 years

[sudden matrix]

When I came back to the game and the first few times it happened I was like wtf is happening I should be dead.

[wispy merlin]

full red builds' REAL armor

[thorn hedge]

its disabled if you have glass cannon in descent

[civic lily]

nice

[wispy merlin]

it's more so self-inflicted damage

[sudden matrix]

I miss Lucy killing a bunch of noobs when you run a DH teaching raid and do it normal.

[wispy merlin]

if you die to environmental damage the game says you offed yourself so

[thorn hedge]

omg yes

[wispy merlin]

and that happens everywhere

[civic lily]

or you have artillery turret

and a low hanging ceiling.

[wispy merlin]

yeah so against self-inflicted damage you don't get OSP

[narrow kraken]

@wispy merlin
talent is vindictive

and i thought everyone said Vector is the best SMG???

[viscid root]

Not at all. It's got the highest fire rate by far, and that can be very useful for some things, but there is no one "best" SMG.

[civic lily]

Until ouroburos

[narrow kraken]

alright.. but with SMGs? is the area i highlted can u get a MOD for that? I never used SMGs before so am i missing a mod

[civic lily]

there's a 20 round mag mod

[viscid root]

Have you checked your blueprints and built all the mods for which you have a blueprint?

[sudden matrix]

Everything is subjective and depends on the build and content. If you can one mag an enemy that's preferable but once you are into 4 person heroic or legendary SMGs typically fall short on doing that.

[foggy needle]

yea if ouroburos comes out like PTS, it will be the best CQB gun by far lol

[civic lily]

Finally, regulus nerf

[sudden matrix]

You can go back to wherever you came from with that....

[plucky mesa]

Why would you want that?

[civic lily]

lol

[sudden matrix]

Woke up and chose violence today.

[civic lily]

more like I'm irritated that every other pistol In the game is marginally worse

[plucky mesa]

Backfire nerf

[plucky mesa]

You got a regulus right?

[civic lily]

Nope lmao

[plucky mesa]

Ooof

[civic lily]

But I'm tired of d50 so therefore I gave up on sidearms

[plucky mesa]

Regulus so worth it

[foggy needle]

oh forgot about Reg... okay let me fix it..

"ouroburos will be the 2nd best cqb gun by far"

[plucky mesa]

Scorpio

Third?

[foggy needle]

distant 3rd

Reg >>>>>> ouroburos >>>>>> Scorpio > and everything else.

[plucky mesa]

Buros kills quick, but scorpio holds them down while you murder.

Both OP

[civic lily]

just foam yourself lol

[foggy needle]

dont need lockdown if you delete them

[civic lily]

now the holding problem is solved gg

[foggy needle]

that was fixed FYI, self cc no longer procs talent

[civic lily]

or even better, break your shield

Crap

[plucky mesa]

True. And with HF you'll CC them as well

[foggy needle]

yup

also normal Six12 is higher dps then scorpio

scorpio is strong because of its lock down ability of course though,

[plucky mesa]

Dps is not why scorpio is op

[foggy needle]

correct

[plucky mesa]

I tried my normal crit HF scorpio build but swapped out the chest for HH and used it for speed runs. It worked really well

But I'm guessing ouroburos does just as well

I hope they don't release it then nerf it later. I'd rather have the nerf on release if its gonna happen

[foggy needle]

its just bonkers man base stats.

base burst dps 1.1 mil

[plucky mesa]

Seems OK

[foggy needle]

and then bigger mag size then other vectors

[plucky mesa]

DW is not great and it's not too far in front.

It's how exotics should feel

[foggy needle]

IMHO all exotics so be at level of regulus tbh

[civic lily]

agreed ong preach

[foggy needle]

this being bonkers just because of base stats feels odd to me, though maybe fine? hard to say tbh

[rugged stratus]

how long does it take to reload ouroboros?

[civic lily]

Sorry build diversity enjoyers

Doesn't it have some insane reload speed attachment?

[plucky mesa]

Since the talent is a bit crap, it's base dmg should be good

[civic lily]

pretty cool reload I imagine

[foggy needle]

1.4 reload speed with its mag mod and shd watch (+25 and +10)

[rugged stratus]

im just trying to figure how long it would take to deplete ammo reserves 😅

[plucky mesa]

25 and 10 what?

Chc?

[foggy needle]

reload speed

[plucky mesa]

What is chc on it?

[foggy needle]

spreadsheet is updated to PTS fyi (except tots)

its mods

[rugged stratus]

so thats what roughly a 1min 10sec to magdump reserves

better have a good secondary

[plucky mesa]

Does it roll with 21 chc too.

[foggy needle]

yes still 21 chc

[spark crater]

Anything got nerfed?

[civic lily]

As a natural smg should.

[foggy needle]

nope

[spark crater]

Ah i was expecting devs would relook st.elmo

[foggy needle]

WELL okay tots is getting mega nerfed with its change on PTS

[plucky mesa]

So 21 chc plus 10 plus watch = 42 chc without any chc rolls on gear?

[foggy needle]

Elmo needs no nerf, needs a buff tbh. its not top of meta atm.

[sudden matrix]

Why? I never understand why people say this.

[spark crater]

Isnt striker + elmo top of meta

[sudden matrix]

Not top meta.

[spark crater]

Pvp, pve everyone running elmo

[sudden matrix]

Meta=/=popular. That's not how that term works

I think people with bad aim really feel a difference and that's why people consider it so good.

[blazing timber]

i guess only shotgun outperform it

[foggy needle]

Elmo isn't meta because it's less dps then any AR (if using focus) and less dps then famas

[spark crater]

Someone posted a clip here. GB+elmo melting down multiple legendary chungas solo. Shit's insane

[civic lily]

yeah, heartbreaking that it's only out damaged by a full charged perfect focus famas😔

[sudden matrix]

Insert any weapon here.

[civic lily]

please give elmos 8x scope

[rugged stratus]

elmo is pretty in line with other top ARs , it could be argued that it has the right balance. its not totally flipping the script like this new SMG sounds like its gonna do

[blazing timber]

well perfect outsider mpx has a chance to outperform oburos

[blazing timber]

i say it's fine as it is cause weapon becoming op and somehow people people complaining we get Nerf

[foggy needle]

Lol not fully charged, just needs 1 stack

Or hell zero stacks if using a dps talent on famas

[blazing timber]

sleigher

[plucky mesa]

It's more the accuracy at range. On legendary you kill things that come into firing range. Not sure what that distance is, something like 100m? But it's crazy how much damage it can do from far away.

[narrow kraken]

am i lucky, is this a good AR I looted

[blazing timber]

@foggy needle famas only beats elmos due to talent only in one category either burst or sustained not both at same time meaning elmos wins the other so it's pretty balanced i would say

[spark crater]

Is that breadbasket talent?

[plucky mesa]

What's the talent?

[sudden matrix]

100 m?? Most ARs are under 30 m.

[plucky mesa]

I know right. I was really surprised.

[narrow kraken]

yes

[spark crater]

Meh talent

[narrow kraken]

but i can change it

[plucky mesa]

I'm not sure if it is 100m,but at some point enemies aren't targetable. Then suddenly they are.

[sudden matrix]

I'm not sure where you are going with this tho.

[foggy needle]

Without gun talent correct, but with only fast hands it's only 1% behind on burst and wins on sustain.

[plucky mesa]

Famas can't kill like that at that range. Accuracy just isn't there and bullets miss.

[blazing timber]

so pretty balanced unlike the new smg where the talent outright doesn't matter

[foggy needle]

Nah still not balanced imho. Should be stronger because it's and exotic

[sudden matrix]

What range? I'm always in range to shoot things without accuracy being an issue.

[blazing timber]

ourobors new talent : gives 100% accuracy and range

[blazing timber]

mhh 35m ?

[rain thorn]

Can someone explain precisely what PvPvE means? Disclaimer: I am solo player who does not do DZ's. But aren't there NPCs in the DZ? So how is PvPvE different?

[spark crater]

There are npc in dz

[sudden matrix]

player vs player vs environment. So you can pvp or pve or both.

[rain thorn]

Ah, so in Heartland you can "turn off" PvP?

[blazing timber]

afaik heartland is PvP focused f2p

[spark crater]

Survival shooter

[civic lily]

I thought e meant everyone

[spark crater]

Technically div2 is mmo-rpg, no?

[sudden matrix]

Really the debate between Elmo vs famas would have to come down to you running a single mission over and over and taking the time diff between them and even still that would be personalized with how good you are so many people would have to do this test and compare results.

[blazing timber]

yes same as div1

[sudden matrix]

3rd person looter** shooter RPG imo

[spark crater]

Yeah

[blazing timber]

unless running focused I don't think gonna matter much

[rain thorn]

Thx for the answers on PvPvE and HL.

[civic lily]

Lazy handling weapon vs weapon without lazy handling

[sudden matrix]

Only results will tell. I can say I have just put down the elmo as I don't feel I kill as quick in legendary. It's cool but meh.

[blazing timber]

should give elmos 8X than we are talking

[civic lily]

EXACTLY

kill all competitors

[blazing timber]

i guess div1 was better that the scope can be toggle

[spark crater]

It comes with magnified scope right

[blazing timber]

in div2 is a fuking mess

[spark crater]

4x or 8x?

[civic lily]

No x

it's simply there for headglitching with crusader

[spark crater]

Ah

[civic lily]

Atleast that's my headcanon

[fallow inlet]

Happy RESET Day, good gaming

[blazing timber]

f**k i forgot to check the countdown vendor

[plucky mesa]

I noticed it doing solo leg tidal. Killing things as they became targets.

Not sure if carbine 7 can even do that...

[blazing timber]

it can but i would argue with famas cause it range is 29m vs 35m for carbine and i think m4 has highest ar dps vs maruder drones due to dmg falloff

[sudden matrix]

I think there will always be outlier situations for certain guns. It depends on how you play/where you play from during these missions.

[plucky mesa]

True. Elmo's might not have a damage talent but its accuracy at range, and awesome mods make it top tier for me.

[blazing timber]

i still run fast hand famas/m4 flatline/fast hands

[plucky mesa]

Yea love famas with fast hands.

[civic lily]

my damage talent is 32% more chd

[sudden matrix]

Don't mistake what I'm saying here tho, I'm saying Elmo isn't the best gun overall and that's it. It's still a good weapon as it stands but if it were to get nerfed it would just be another exo component.

[plucky mesa]

Agree 100%

[blazing timber]

agreed

[tame basin]

custom g3 was one of the best guns in the past.

[blazing timber]

it is what eb is based upon i guess one of the reason why it us bad now

[tame basin]

berserker + clutch and custom p416 g3 was fun

[tame basin]

In 2019, p416 it was the weapon that most people wanted. and when WONY came and destroyed all the old builds with the new gear system. then it became a stash holder

[sudden matrix]

Well back then it was p416 or EB. After that stopped playing so I'm out of the loop on meta then.

[frail wadi]

is there a cap on skill haste?

[sudden matrix]

No. It just kinda becomes less useful the more you pile on and depending on your skill a mix of duration/haste/repair might make more sense.

Some people even go PFE mods.

[frail wadi]

okay I see

also how to get those blue gear mods. for protection/damage from elites?

[rugged stratus]

yeah pfe is nice on skill build

[sudden matrix]

Play and pray.

[frail wadi]

I never got one that's why i was wondering

[sudden matrix]

It's really just targeted loot and vendors if they have them on reset.

[frail wadi]

okie thxxxx

[sudden matrix]

The vendor site hasn't been updated yet but I always check that once it does for items I need or things newer clan mates should pick up.

Few weeks ago the had 12% PFE so I picked up like 8 for tank builds and other characters.

[ornate juniper]

any reason no more vc exist there for raiding?

[neon hare]

Was having a convo with guys on general. So this in game pic, says the truth ?

[ornate juniper]

say the truth about?

[neon hare]

About the time for this season

Timer *

IT said the same last week also

So ?

[foggy needle]

see #discord-news

[ornate juniper]

it does not load

[foggy needle]

hmm discord having loading issues right now

[sudden matrix]

It says the END of the season. No mention of new season start.

[ornate juniper]

ooof

[timber lark]

How do I check if I have any expansions for the game?

[foggy needle]

there is only 1 and it adds NYC and lots of other stuff to the game

also boosts the max level upto level 40 ( up from level 30 world tier 5)

[timber lark]

And how do I check if I have that or not?

Can I see it somewhere?

[sudden matrix]

Do you have the game intalled?

[timber lark]

I do

[sudden matrix]

Go to the main menu and try to start a new character, if it gives you the option to go to NYC and skill the base game then you have it.

There might be a way to check it otherwise but idk unless I go home and tinker with the game to see if they show it somewhere.

[foggy needle]

can also check in game and see if you can travel to NYC (also can talk to the in game helo pilot as that is how to transfer to NYC if you havent gone over)

[timber lark]

Thats what prompted my question, I talked to the pilot and it sent me to the shop for the DLC. So im guessing I dont have it right?

Also, I have this "Expension Available" under my character. Im not sure if it means I have it available or its available for purchase lol

[rugged stratus]

The main character select screen should say if you own the expansion or not

[timber lark]

Does it mean I dont have it?

[foggy needle]

if the pilot sent you to the in game store to buy the DLC, then you dont own it

[timber lark]

Ty, that was my question

[rugged stratus]

No, I dont think so. itll say expansion owned in that spot iirc

[sudden matrix]

Nothing is ever straight forward in this game....

[amber estuary]

With the above information is it possible to complete the mission displayed in the second SS?

[sudden matrix]

Isn't that just some computer in the white house? You just go interact with it?

[amber estuary]

no option to interact with the compute, i think i never completed the mission that time..

Furthermore, I believe the second manhunt was during S9 was Bank Headquarters, and I did not have the choice to convert to manhunt mode on that mission. I believe I will have to wait for that season to rotate or simply forget about it 😦

[wide wagon]

can we change tha bottom stat of tha new exotic vector like tha elmo or no?

[sudden matrix]

Yeah, all new exotics will have third attribute that can be random via drop and reconfiguration.

[wide wagon]

IM DEFINITELY GONNA USE IT

[nimble spruce]

No, that mission is a glitch, a hangover from a previous season (you got the keys by completing the manhunt minor targets in season 9). The mission shouldn't be showing up, and will probably disappear on its own at the end of this season.

[shy smelt]

hi i want to know where is the best place to farm the eagle bearer i am new to this game

[rugged stratus]

dark hours raid, on normal #lfg-raid-pc

[shy smelt]

but i am just lv 30

[rugged stratus]

thats where you get eagle bearer... youll have to hit warlords of ny to level to 40

[shy smelt]

one more question is st elmo better than eagle bearer or the other way around

[rugged stratus]

yes, way better

[shy smelt]

so eagle bearer is better?

[rugged stratus]

famas can out dps both

famas > elmo > eaglebearer

eaglebearer is just a item for the wall tbh.

[shy smelt]

thx

but how do u get the elmo

the same raid?

[rugged stratus]

target farm assault rifles. its an open world drop

the only raid exotics are:
eagle bearer (drop)-dark hours,
ravenous (drop)& regulus (project) -iron horse

[shy smelt]

thx

[gilded jolt]

the regulus seems fun lol

[vivid tiger]

Any yaal gear being sold this week?

[rugged stratus]

Not at clan vendor, idk about dz vendors

[blazing timber]

forgot to check vendors again 💀

[shy smelt]

how long does it usually teke to grind the st elmo

[blazing timber]

depends on your skill can be done in 1-2 days if you grind like hell

[inner tendon]

@shy smelt Once this season is over, it gets added to the general loot pool officially, right now it's supposed to be locked to just the free tier of the Season Pass.

same goes for all Exotics in the Season Pass in the past and future.

[blazing timber]

but is possible to grind in about 4-5 days with about 15 lvl/day

[blazing timber]

but that is RNG and season pass is guaranteed

[inner tendon]

Sure, but it also means you don't want to eat bricks after grinding out that many SHD levels that fast.

[shy smelt]

so what is the best awy to grind the battlepass lv

[blazing timber]

it's not fast if he does it in a week

[inner tendon]

Self loathing and what they said.

[blazing timber]

unlike me in 2 days

[blazing timber]

get a good build gb is active so it should make things faster probably an eclipse fire build or hf d50 determined both easy to farm

[blazing timber]

set difficulty challenging with as many directives you can do public execution rinse and repeat or try #lfg-pc

i can help in like about 5 hrs

[shy smelt]

i am using this build

[blazing timber]

definitely not good need improvement keep the striker pcs though

[blazing timber]

i can help you in like 4-5 hrs if you are free at that time

[shy smelt]

sorry not free until 3 uk time

lesson start in 15

[blazing timber]

ok

[blazing timber]

gmt huh maybe at night

[inner tendon]

@shy smelt Generally speaking, with Gearset builds that are focused on crit, you need a Ceska piece.
You should check out the spreadsheet later on, it's got a bunch of builds that are all rigged up for the current meta.
it's over in #td2-build-advice > 📌 > spreadsheet > builds.

[shy smelt]

thx guys

[frail wadi]

Do you run faster with your pistol or is it just an illusion?

And I crashed during a countdow, is there really no way to join back in?

[inner tendon]

Same speed as with the rest, it just looks faster because your arm is swinging.
Not really, but just join another one, groups take all of 30 seconds to matchmake into on Challenging.

[nimble spruce]

An illusion caused by too much counter strike

[rugged stratus]

Patch 18.3 erroneously added st elmo to the loot pool for everyone regardless of season level.

@shy smelt ,At this point you only need to target loot AR to get elmo to drop... countdown probably best farm method because selectable target loot drops and exotic caches can be purchased.

[shy smelt]

The raid?

[rugged stratus]

no, countdown is an 8man timed mission. about 15 minutes long and can have selected target loot like summit. 2 challenging completions will give enough credits to buy an exotic cache at the countdown vendor. just need a dps build, and if challenging difficulty people can be carried a bit. just follow the main group and dont use skills other than like shield/revive because most skills get hacked and used to kill teamates

map> matchmake> countdown> challenging to quickly get into a match.
once joined, hit esc> social to make sure youre not the party lead(crown next to name), if you are just hold f on that screen once party is full to start the mission

[shy smelt]

but dun u think i can the mission with this build

i try the normal raid i dun deal any damage

[hot ember]

Why is my technician and firewall specializations bugged and I cant activate them even tho they have been maxed out for years? Smh

[true siren]

i remember a long time ago a few xbox players had trouble with their licences, have you finished the field research for them?

if you havent, i'd look up what fixes missing liscences and try that. if that doesnt work, get started on the field research

[blazing timber]

i can help if you are free rn

[rugged stratus]

this should work because there are a lot of people and if you kinda follow the group youll do some damage, you can farm better gear as you learn.
striker is a strong dps base.
go with brands ceska and grupo for your chest and knee for better damage. you also would like to look for critical hit damage and critical hit chance attributes on all gear for best results when using a dps build regardless .
the chest should have obliterate talent for more damage as well.
the images show a grupo (gs logo) and ceska (hammer logo), and both have obliterate talent (fist)

but drop the drone for a revive hive, the drone can be hacked by hunters and used against team

[blazing timber]

also find a better weapon tham chameleon it forces you to play in enemy's face

[narrow kraken]

best way to farm xp? I want to get to 1k lvls im tiered of my lvl holding me back i need to dedicate a lot of gear to things that wouldnt need to if i wwas a higher level im 130 shd lvl rn

[sudden matrix]

Open world is pretty good. Focus on public executions and anything immediately next to them. I mostly loop around the area just east of tidal basin and leave it invaded. I personally run heroic 5 directives but you should run as many directives as you can without affecting your clearing time.

It might also be worth the time invested in your build and learning certain aspects of gameplay which might be holding you back more than you'd expect.

[true siren]

*in most cases it isnt your shd level holding you back, the 10% crit is the only thing that could, or like hazpro or something i guess

[sudden matrix]

In cases of min maxing sure but most of the time it's the build and game knowledge.

[nova vector]

Hey what's the best way to farm rare crafting materials?

[narrow kraken]

wdym the 10% crit, my crit is at 57%

[sudden matrix]

Maxed out watch nets you 10% CHC along with a bunch of other non insignificant stat increases.

[narrow kraken]

mb u have been over 1k for so long that u dont know what it feels like to be low level

[shy smelt]

i only have those weapon

[sudden matrix]

You think I'm old blood? Half of my gameplay time was before SHD existed. SHD isn't holding you back.

[narrow kraken]

it is though when u to dedicate stats to something u shuldnt have to when u are 1k lvls

[sudden matrix]

I have an extra character with no SHD applied to the watch. Would you believe me if I came played with you on it?

[narrow kraken]

I dont know lol

it doesnt matter everyones build and style of playing is differentæ

[sudden matrix]

Oh so maybe it's not just SHD is what you're suggesting?

[civic lily]

not like it matters much in heroic

[sudden matrix]

Just last weekend we took a 40 something SHD guy thru a legendary and he was the DPS while I did CC and a buddy did heals. He did it pretty easily with just encouragement and guidance. SHD would have helped but his build was still new and it would have made a bigger impact. Forget what his chest talent was but it did nothing.

[civic lily]

Group legendary is so much easier

[narrow kraken]

ur ling

lying***

[civic lily]

Nah

Unlikely, that's just a good team comp

[sudden matrix]

Yikes....

[narrow kraken]

no about shd lvls not being important

ofc when u play in a team whatever ur doing as a solo player is going to be a lot easier

[sudden matrix]

If you think they make you so much better you'll be sorely disappointed when you hit 1k.

[narrow kraken]

if it didnt matter why do people play with directives on to lvl up faster

[sudden matrix]

Time invested vs rewards?

[narrow kraken]

i wont be, all of my cores are dmg and only 1 armor core and if i had a higher SHD lvls i could have a lot more armor without changing out the cores in my gear

95k dmg with the police m4

[foggy needle]

Shd levels is a minor boost compared to having a good build in the 1st place, just fyi

[civic lily]

I could use 20 chd rn

[blazing timber]

famas

[foggy needle]

also armor cores alone is worthless on legendary also very meh on heroic, enemies just deal way to much damage for armor to be impactful

[blazing timber]

@shy smelt you might want to favourite exotics so you don't end up deconstructing them

[narrow kraken]

i only have 600k armor and if it was so useless then why do people dedicate so many cores to armor then

[civic lily]

People dont

[narrow kraken]

i think u guys only play countdown with other people or only watch streamers play lol

[blazing timber]

i always run full red 99% of the time

[sudden matrix]

Most streamers are trash...

[narrow kraken]

So u never get the Solo experience

[civic lily]

It's pretty excessive and unhelpful to have more then 2 armor cores

[narrow kraken]

and whats ur armor like? i only have 600k and 1 shot is enough to kill me

[blazing timber]

also you should only run armour for talent such as Vanguard or Galvanize to buff team and few tank setting otherwise it is not worth it

[blazing timber]

720k

[narrow kraken]

SHD LVL? if its over 1k did ur armor % only give u a 100k increase?

[blazing timber]

every player with shd watch +10% armour is at the same amount

[foggy needle]

decent/ good players dont though.....

[gilded jolt]

You know what would be cool? An exotic that makes it where you reflect damage base on the amount of damage u take from the enemies, then armor core will be worth it lol

[narrow kraken]

almost everybody does it

[foggy needle]

re-read

[narrow kraken]

ive seen it in game and on social media

[sudden matrix]

What exactly do you think 1k SHD nets you that you are super missing out on?

[narrow kraken]

who is are the "decent" players lol? ur friend group or clan doesnt reperesent the entire community

[foggy needle]

this game has more bad players then it has decent players fyi

[blazing timber]

i can only guess one thing for hh shotgun build

[narrow kraken]

maxed out stats

[gilded jolt]

I play decent :D best game mode

[sudden matrix]

Wat

[blazing timber]

cause that 20% hsd is the difference b/w m870 with >150% hsd on hhf

[foggy needle]

also yea with max watch you base armor is 726

[civic lily]

and missing chc is bad

[narrow kraken]

90% here are 1k shd lvl i think its been a while since you played at a lower level

[blazing timber]

doesn't every game has the same thing

[narrow kraken]

IMO

[civic lily]

I just reached 800

[blazing timber]

we were at low level some time in our life

[foggy needle]

pretty much

[civic lily]

so I can speak for the lower shds

[blazing timber]

i can only think of hhf m870 exception with the watch that's about it

[civic lily]

I also made the grave mistake of going for hsd first(no chd)

[blazing timber]

for the watch argument

[civic lily]

and I'm still fine

[blazing timber]

and 10% chc

[sudden matrix]

Well we can play together right now. I'll use a character with no SHD points into the watch. I'll stream my game so you can see and then we can play together.

[gilded jolt]

Tbh the game is really made for fun, I don't think u should play a game if ur not having fun with it. Tbh the only timento determined who's good or not is if ur capable of doing the raids or legendaries properly with no issues

[narrow kraken]

i have seen the difference, me playing with other people and their always higher SHD than me and the difference in dmg numbers and the amount of armor they have is huge

[sudden matrix]

I'll even remove weapon attachments and gear mods.

I'll even put on some grey gear if you'd like.

[civic lily]

-25% chc sounds rough

lol

[blazing timber]

no hh

[narrow kraken]

i have seen the difference @sudden matrix

🤪

[blazing timber]

automod hate regulus

[sudden matrix]

I don't get your point then.

[foggy needle]

just ganna leave this here again.... Shd levels is a minor boost compared to having a good build in the 1st place, just fyi

[narrow kraken]

i played with other people and ive seen the difference myself

[civic lily]

Post game endscreen?

[blazing timber]

@thorn hedge need for your classic ™ dialogue

[thorn hedge]

skill issue

[sudden matrix]

If you are talking about youtubers and streamer they are mostly trash.

[civic lily]

wtf dhe has the rights to skill issue

[gilded jolt]

Unless ur like shd 30k ish lol

[narrow kraken]

no lol i said I played the game 🤪

[civic lily]

infinite health hack

[sudden matrix]

Ehhh... Sure.

[narrow kraken]

200 hours in the game i think ive seen "enough"

[sudden matrix]

Sure. Go get your SHD and become a god.

[narrow kraken]

the boost u get at 1k shd lvls is like having a always active talent

[foggy needle]

hu? 30k still doesnt matter

the important watch stats max at 1k. past that its only 3hp per level.

[plucky mesa]

If you're dying right now with a low shd level - getting to 1k shd won't save you

[foggy needle]

and same with "if doing weak damage, getting 1k shd wont fix it "

[narrow kraken]

why wouldnt it? the stats u get from 1k lvls is like having a always active talents

[gilded jolt]

So u get a free 90k health

Isn't that kind of significant?

[foggy needle]

which is nothing when enemies deal so much damage

[gilded jolt]

Oh lol

[foggy needle]

npcs rip through 2mil armor like butter, what is 90k going to do lol

[narrow kraken]

there is a difference what are u talking about

[sudden matrix]

It's sad. You try to help people. You offer clear and concise advice, you offer to come play with them, you offer to make similar stat builds and give them a comparison.

[foggy needle]

exactly

[narrow kraken]

i just said what my experience have been and 10 people are ready to shut me down and repeat themselves again and again, sounds worse to me

[gilded jolt]

Lol

[foggy needle]

confirmation bias

[narrow kraken]

And i looked online and the answers were not the same as what u guys said about the SHD lvls theres is a difference

[sudden matrix]

Your experiece sounds like you played some poor pub matches and watched bad youtube build vids.

[blazing timber]

unless you are shd 100k i doubt health is any good

[narrow kraken]

only place i have been asking for advice is here

[plucky mesa]

Trust me

[narrow kraken]

and I called for backup whenever I died and their survivability compared to me was huge, and they were always above 1k SHD

[gilded jolt]

Cause they probably have good builds lol

[narrow kraken]

and they have maxed out their watch

[plucky mesa]

You get a bit of extra crit, a tiny bit of armour and haz Pro. It might save you on the odd occasion but it's not much, especially regarding survivability

[gilded jolt]

You know what, @thorn hedge we need your help lol

[foggy needle]

i will try 1 last time... simple examples.. max watch gives you.....

10% wd while a good build gives you ~120%
20 chd while a good build gives you ~150%
10 chc while a good build gives you ~50%

and then there are talents on top (which watch doesnt give)

[narrow kraken]

to me it was a big difference so IDK anymore

[foggy needle]

hence, SHD watch gives you minor boosts, compared to having a good build in the 1st place

[thorn hedge]

for what

[blazing timber]

you are playing the game wrong if you are relying on shd watch to give you boosts

get good build

[gilded jolt]

Taxi needs some advice, hook my man up lol

[thorn hedge]

last i checked i dont think he wanted advice

[narrow kraken]

im not building my build around my watch lol

[blazing timber]

she will say skill issue

[gilded jolt]

Dead 😂

[thorn hedge]

already tried helping he doesnt want it

[blazing timber]

yeah ik

[thorn hedge]

not worth helping if you dont want it

[foggy needle]

even at 100k shd that health boost is near nothing. seeing as Npcs already rip through 2mil armor. (on herioc+

[thorn hedge]

theyre on their own

[blazing timber]

true we don't have nomad or final measure in this game

[plucky mesa]

If you're dying a lot it's a skill issue. Use cover, make every fight a 1v1 if poss. Don't get flanked.

[gilded jolt]

Ah the classic nomad

@narrow kraken have you consider playing hardcore by any chance?

[narrow kraken]

im dying because i only have 600k armor thats why and I was trying to say that the 1k shd lvls armour boost would be a big help

[blazing timber]

try negotiators dilemma

[thorn hedge]

if youre skilled with a bad build youll perform shit

if youre bad with a good build youre gonna perform shit

you need to be good at both for it to not be a skill issue

[foggy needle]

^^

[thorn hedge]

it 100% isnt

thats like 1 extra shot

[nova vector]

They're trying to tell you that your build is the reason not your watch my friend

[plucky mesa]

I don't need this reply.

[foggy needle]

also max watch only gives 10% armor (which is +66k extra armor)

which is nothing

[plucky mesa]

What's ur build? Show us...

[thorn hedge]

oh god

[blazing timber]

how the hell is the calculation going on 10% of 600k should be 660k

[foggy needle]

base is 660k

[blazing timber]

ahh now you are correct

[narrow kraken]

3 striker pieces, and coyote mask

[thorn hedge]

wouldnt it be 110k then

[gilded jolt]

😂 ur killing me lol

[blazing timber]

i thought 10% of 600k = 720k new maths

[foggy needle]

lol

[gilded jolt]

Show us a pic of ur build

[thorn hedge]

azur wouldnt it be 110k 🤔

[foggy needle]

660 is base, watch puts you at 726 new "base"

[thorn hedge]

that math doesnt math

[blazing timber]

yup 66k +660k = 726k

[foggy needle]

time to Re-math Eevee 😛

[thorn hedge]

ah my bad

wait where did the 120k come from then

number just spawn in?

[civic lily]

what

[foggy needle]

what 120k?

[thorn hedge]

this

[foggy needle]

OHHHH

hahah

nah thats just azur needing coffee

[thorn hedge]

number just dead ass spawned in

[blazing timber]

AzurMath

[thorn hedge]

choccy is healthier

[blazing timber]

Milk is better

[thorn hedge]

choccy milk :D

[wispy merlin]

wa'er

[rugged stratus]

at the end of the day, the watch means little, and shd levels dont matter. even at very high shd that heath is 1shot no problem

[gilded jolt]

Guys guys guys.. our man taxi hasn't been help yet

We gotta save him from dying

[thorn hedge]

cant help someone who doesnt want it

[rugged stratus]

situational awareness is whats missing

[gilded jolt]

Lol

[blazing timber]

grandson where is my TWINSCAN NXE:3600D

[nova vector]

Well can someone help me then? I want to Optimize more but I'm trying to figure out what the best way is to find all the crafting materials. Anyone know the best way?

[wispy merlin]

oh, my oven conveniently broke, gtg

[rugged stratus]

but i agree with a point eevee put in, some people dont want to be helped... especially if that help goes against what they "already know"

[rugged stratus]

swap to gunner, armor on kill. put strained on that ar

[blazing timber]

throw some Headhunter Stacks

[thorn hedge]

ditch the chest

[narrow kraken]

I like the Bow more u can force enimies out of cover and it does more dmg

[blazing timber]

mhh not that bad i was expecting

[thorn hedge]

see? doesnt want help lmao

[gilded jolt]

Lmao

[blazing timber]

Grenade exists

[narrow kraken]

i have been looking for ceska chest plate, i think u told me that but havent found 1

[rugged stratus]

not the point, you can do that with a nade. gunner will add survivability

[gilded jolt]

I'm laughing so fucking hard atm

[thorn hedge]

told ya

im gonna do homework now but lurk in chat

[narrow kraken]

lol homework, im happy i finished high school 12 yrs ago

[somber hazel]

I watching TV show turns out there is bigger drama here💀

[thorn hedge]

college

[gilded jolt]

LMAO

[narrow kraken]

😉

[blazing timber]

Next OSCAR Nominee

[thorn hedge]

less homework more studying for an exam

[foggy needle]

best way is using shd watch points an alt toons run through NYC (start about 1.5k level), outside that nothing comes close really. could do runs around Solar farm CP for some but doesnt come close tbh.

[blazing timber]

study a week before exams

[rugged stratus]

the vector cant proc flatline. you can swap in an acs and itll stack your striker very fast

[thorn hedge]

exams friday xD

[blazing timber]

i think it can

[rugged stratus]

i think acs is on sale maybe at clan vendor

[blazing timber]

make sure to not take notes or Mobil phone

[rugged stratus]

not on survivalist or gunner... its wasted

[blazing timber]

yeah i was talking about it can fit it

[rugged stratus]

thats just kinda confusing the situation tbh. this build it doesnt work

[gilded jolt]

I have a question of my own: is a shield build with the regulus possible?

[narrow kraken]

what is ACs?

[foggy needle]

ACS stacks at 40 per sec, vector is ~20

[nova vector]

As in doing the NYC Story again from start to finish on another char?

[rugged stratus]

auto shotgun, each pellet counts as a striker stack if it hits. 8 pellets per shot

[foggy needle]

yes, then you get to reuse the watch points on new toon

[nova vector]

All my shd levels transfer over to the new toon?

[rugged stratus]

duplicate

and if they are left alone they also accumulate any new points you gain on your main

[somber hazel]

your highest character - 800 = available point

[nova vector]

What about stuff like Hyena Optimization Materials?

[blazing timber]

from Hyena named enemies available in countdown also can be crafted if uou have blueprint

[civic lily]

give this man a st elmos

[gilded jolt]

Wats the skill called that increases ur damage base on the amount of skill tiers u have?

[sudden matrix]

Capacitor?

[gilded jolt]

Yep. Thanks thanks

[foggy needle]

kinda random and late question, but does anyone have a screen shot of Iron lungs base damage (new exo lmg)

[true siren]

This taxi guy really gettin to me, i cant help ya any more my gamer.

its like a bar, cut off. i've explained all i can, i just cant

[blazing timber]

lol

[gilded jolt]

Lol

[blazing timber]

lol

[fallow inlet]

Hey Azurmen32

[thorn hedge]

I literally warned of this over an hour ago

Lmao

[sudden matrix]

Yeah I just stopped. Figured I'd go play some vs try to help someone who just wanted to complain.

[thorn hedge]

Lol

[blazing timber]

i followed in his footsteps

[sudden matrix]

Then your game crashed and foods needed to be consumed.

[blazing timber]

@thorn hedge needs to fix crashes not mu fault

[thorn hedge]

Yes your fault

Quoting the guy from the official Ubisoft discord it's an Internet issue so you need better internet

😂

[blazing timber]

i remeber the tine someone called you were paid by ubisoft

[thorn hedge]

The time? That's all the time

It's hella consistent whenever I defend devs for something that wasn't their fault

[nocturne grove]

I got this 3rd stat from reroll for St Elmo. Is this good?

I got 4 more exotic components to use

[rugged stratus]

you want damage to targets out of cover as 3rd stat for best possible dps out of it.

[nocturne grove]

Alright. Let's see if I get one

Luck lost 💀

Any ways to get more exotic components

[civic lily]

exotic caches from countdown

[rugged stratus]

just farming countdown, fastest anyways. challenging , every 2 completes can buy an exo cache and have possible exo drops. but min 1exo/30mins

[nocturne grove]

I got a lot unused exo stuffs. So should I deconstruct to get those?

Will be happy for this roll at least

[rugged stratus]

if you have all agents created and at least boosted to 30 in dc or 40with shd watch you can harvest the weekly shd project on all 4

yeah dta better than a lot of other possibilities

[civic lily]

Hunters fury at home: (20% aok)

[wispy merlin]

at least they tried imo

[thorn hedge]

literally just mostly gunner

[rugged stratus]

That tamper proof tho 🔥

[sudden matrix]

You think it's shockingly good eh?

[rugged stratus]

Such a powerful build 😅

[sudden matrix]

Really sparks your creative side to make builds huh?

[gilded jolt]

Would u guys say rocking a gear set is better than using just brands or some can be better than the other n vice versa?

[sudden matrix]

It depends on your content/goals/preferred play style.

[rugged stratus]

I'm ecstatic to try it now 🍻

[rugged stratus]

For skills high end is better hands down. With eclipse being the cc excption.

For dps striker can top out at highest damage . High end has steady damage with no ramp (but you can also get this from nego)...
No real right answer for dps. Both have a place

[gilded jolt]

Ooo ok

[proven pewter]

Can I get st Elmo and ninja bike from the summit ?

[thorn hedge]

Yes

[barren hare]

How do people approach Expertise?
I am Expertise level 3, with the most popular gearsets "mastered", and I'd like to know if people have hints on how to diversify my builds without hurting my efficiency on the field too much.

Or maybe handing out junk is the way to go? I really have no clue

[somber hazel]

farming at countdown or buy stuff from merchant then donate it, most of general stuff maximized proficiency could reach to around LV15 expertise. The rest is the hardest part, people usually create other toon and harvest Shd point, so they could donate material, SHD 3000 is the entry point.

[barren hare]

Ooookayyy, gotcha ty for the details

[viscid root]

If you're interested just in getting that expertise number higher, donations are the way to go. On the other hand, I got to expertise level 10 reasonably quickly just through play, and I've found it not only enjoyable but a good learning experience to put together a whole lot of interesting builds. Weakness isn't really a problem; they're all good enough for Challenging (with 3 directives) at least, and many are fine on Heroic, too.

[viscid root]

On my alt character, I just picked up a drop of two Ivory keys in front of the Ivory Key crate in the White House. Anybody know what triggered that?

[sudden matrix]

Alt characters don't have to run hunters again.

[viscid root]

Oh, brilliant!

[viscid root]

And so if I run a hunter on this alt, my main will also get the key?

[sudden matrix]

They should.

[blazing timber]

yup they are shared across characters

[weary siren]

is there any real functional shd watch to purchase?

[thorn hedge]

No

But best way to make one is using a Samsung Galaxy watch

[weary siren]

I see.. thank you mate

[frail wadi]

is there an easier way of doing the gunner stage 4: "Neutralize heavy weapons enemies in the open world"?

or do i just have to randomly find these guys in the open world

[nimble spruce]

Just farm true sons and outcast activities, you'll get them quickly enough

[viscid root]

Do bounties count as "in the open world"?

[blazing timber]

yup

[viscid root]

Well, that makes it a bit easier for some, I suppose: you can see when starting the bounty whether the bosses include a heavy weapons enemy. But I find them quite often in the open world anyway, having fights with a few non-enemy NPCs.

[humble tartan]

Hmm had a thought 🤔
Do you think that they could make Reclaimer in D2 with the hive?

I mean the hive has heals, revives and resistances for the charges. Hmmmm

[frail wadi]

activities as in missions?

[nimble spruce]

No, open world stuff like territory controls, public executions etc. Just run around the map in their areas and you'll find heavy gunners

[frail wadi]

Ah okay I get it thanks!

[rugged stratus]

Always seems to be 1 around Lincoln on the north and sometimes directly east. I see them everytime I'm collecting water/components/food from the big plots in that area for weekly shd project.

[nova vector]

Is the Summit a good source of XP?

[rugged stratus]

No

Boss floors are equivelant to same difficulty control point xp wise... but the floors in between are very low xp

Open world heroic, with directives. Good xp for time spent on control points,
propaganda, executions

[modern tinsel]

I’m hunting for coyote mask and saw the best way and only is to do JTC. But right now there’s a mission with targeted mask drop. Should I repeat JTC till it drops. Or have better chances with the targeted mask drop one?

[foggy needle]

best way to farm it is same as anything, farm its target loot in countdown or summit

[blazing timber]

i honestly think why would anyone farm summit cause cd Exists

except for fun

[thorn hedge]

because they keep running into it with a skill build and wondering why they get kicked without reflecting on the fact that they have a skill build

[blazing timber]

on challenging it doesn't matter that much

heroic yeah but challenging gives heroic summit loot

[foggy needle]

Summit boss farm is actually better loot farm then countdown, but borning AF!

[thorn hedge]

im just saying why they dont run summit lol

[blazing timber]

which level floor 10? or any boss floor i forgot

Give me a short description

[foggy needle]

forgot the level break point tbh

but level 90 for sure

[blazing timber]

we kill boss than wipe rinse and repeat?

i usually run summit with hhf sometimes it fucks cause of that killer emp

[thorn hedge]

skill issue

[foggy needle]

and pretty much, kill boss then reset boss. spam that till your brain dies. theres YT vids on it too

[blazing timber]

definitely not skill issue lol i am talking about the killer emp that one shots you from a mile just by seeing you

[thorn hedge]

yeah

[foggy needle]

emp floors can be mase easy too tbh. since they have limited amount of enemy waves. so you can pull enemies out of emp area to kill them all then go in and kill emps.

[blazing timber]

yeah but that emp is the worst room

[rugged stratus]

It was an accurate description... skill issue
Use cover for connely emp... you been spending way to much time in cd or openworld 🤣

[blazing timber]

😂 😂 can't help i am speeding through floors and in the flow i die

[thorn hedge]

literally

[thorn hedge]

skill issue 100%

[rugged stratus]

🤣

[blazing timber]

with money back guarantee

[foggy needle]

id say skill issue but EMP jams skills 😎

[thorn hedge]

azur go back to your den that was a bad joke

[gilded jolt]

Meet me in conflict <.<

[foggy needle]

where is it, i was given conflicting directions 😎

[gilded jolt]

Lmao

Hardcore only too

[thorn hedge]

Conflict is disabled in hc

[gilded jolt]

I would like to report eevee for always breaking my hopes n dreams lol

[thorn hedge]

How does that surprise you

[fallow inlet]

Hey Eevee, Local, Gogamer, Azurmen32

[gilded jolt]

Everything surprises me, I'm the type of person that sees a butterfly n chases it lol

[blazing timber]

skill issue

[blazing timber]

Hi saph

[thorn hedge]

optimists: the cup is half full
pessimists: the cup is half empty
me: the cup has been obliterated by a flamethrower

or i just splashed the cup of water in your face

[blazing timber]

the cup has been obliterated by seeker mines

[foggy needle]

Me: Do not try and measure the cup, that's impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth… there is no cup.

[wispy merlin]

the cup is a lie

[blazing timber]

grandson 👀

[gilded jolt]

😂

[thorn hedge]

"Optimists say the glass is half full. Pessimists say the glass is half empty. Me? I threw the glass in Schaeffer's face. That's how I joined the black tusk."

perfect quote for an exotic

[civic lily]

sounds like an exotic measured talent

[sudden matrix]

This reminds me of when you got called a pessimist. I think people forget realist are a thing. Are you filling the glass? Half full. Are you emptying the glass? Half empty.

[thorn hedge]

oh my god the amount of people who think im pessimistic

im totally realistic, we arent getting a rocket launcher exotic lmao

[sudden matrix]

wtf did someone mention this?

[civic lily]

yes

however we should have a sawed off exotic

[thorn hedge]

yes

[wispy merlin]

pls have pummel-like talent

[thorn hedge]

we came up with this together

10 round mag and fires all the mag when ADS

[civic lily]

firing the entire 10 round mag at once is more entertaining

[wispy merlin]

that works too

[civic lily]

x% more damage per bullet loaded

[gilded jolt]

Exotic name: the champion
Talent: half of the loses 50% damage but have 100% rate of fire, and the other half gains 100% damage but loses 50% rate of fire

[civic lily]

literally measured 2.0

[sand phoenix]

lmao, i saw something from Remnant from hell (Remnant 1 mod) a 6 barreled gun, shooting all at once

[civic lily]

[thorn hedge]

measured

[gilded jolt]

It would be an exotic ar too

[thorn hedge]

literally just fuckin measured mate

[civic lily]

The exotic should be a carbine 7

[gilded jolt]

Lmao

[civic lily]

mods should be like 20% across the board

that would be a good exotic

[thorn hedge]

+20% bullshit

nah it would be optimal range, reload speed, accuracy, and stability

[gilded jolt]

U know wat we need

An hyena raid

[civic lily]

20% more mag size 🚎

[civic lily]

finally, named hyena rushers

[gilded jolt]

Ikr lol

[blazing timber]

talent:bullshit meter

[civic lily]

meter fills at double the rate when facing white tusk

[blazing timber]

whenever the meter fills up you get bullshit

[thorn hedge]

+500% weapon damage, each shot increases meter by 1 stack, up to a maximum of 100 stacks. at 100 stacks, agent takes 5 million damage.

Meter does not refresh once weapons are swapped.

[blazing timber]

5 million is too much for single agent the entire team takes 5 million dmg it scales off with number of players

[gilded jolt]

When I get my sc character set up, down to teach me how to ih?

[civic lily]

negotiators dilemma safehouse meta

[thorn hedge]

it insta kills thats the point

[sudden matrix]

Yeah Eevee come do more raids in TNC with us.

[thorn hedge]

no

[blazing timber]

reviver hive but bullshit affects the team

[sudden matrix]

WOW

[thorn hedge]

what is tnc

[gilded jolt]

Aw

[thorn hedge]

sorry lol im busy af nowadays

[sudden matrix]

Tenacious server.

[gilded jolt]

Lol all good

[thorn hedge]

oh okay

i might have time in the future idk

also dont ask me why that gif exists

[sudden matrix]

What gif? lol

[blazing timber]

good luck for exam tomorrow

[thorn hedge]

its gonna keep deleting thom

[sudden matrix]

rekt

[thorn hedge]

unless you download it

[civic lily]

lol

I'm doing it manually because I expect them to be deleted

[gilded jolt]

I'll figure it out lol, nothing like a quick video guide can't solve

[sudden matrix]

@gilded jolt I can dm you a discord if you'd like to come learn the raids.

[thorn hedge]

i have no clue what the fuck im doing

[sudden matrix]

Eevee might show up to help at some point too.

[gilded jolt]

Sure I'll let u know when I'm free (currently working atm)

[blazing timber]

nice

is it Open Book Test

[thorn hedge]

no

[blazing timber]

nice

[nocturne grove]

Got this from exotic cache from countdown.
Going through Jefferson mission more than 20 times didn't work

[thorn hedge]

ok

[civic lily]

ok

[blazing timber]

ok

[civic lily]

least jaded td discord interaction

[wanton frigate]

i thought coyote was common exotic drop??

[civic lily]

rngesus is crazy bro

[nocturne grove]

It's both in cache and the mission. Just a bit if luck is needed in the mission to get the mask

[wanton frigate]

rng blessing me with 3 extra elmos 💀 for no reason

[sudden matrix]

Am working too.

[nocturne grove]

Wooo

Quite crazy but great moment

[wanton frigate]

yay i gave one away to some rando who needed it lol, love sharing exotics 🥹

[drifting leaf]

Which is best to get?

[sudden matrix]

All you really need is the warlords of new york edition.

The DLC is a huge part of the game and considered end game.

[drifting leaf]

So what’s the £20 one?

[sudden matrix]

Some bonus junk mostly. I think classified missions and an exotic gun or two which you wont use. Maybe a few cosmetics.

[drifting leaf]

Okay! £15 one it is! Any advice for starting?

[prime ginkgo]

how do you get into this area?

[thorn hedge]

The back

[prime ginkgo]

i ran around the building like 2x and i couldnt find another way in

[thorn hedge]

It's to the right of that screenshot

[sudden matrix]

You've gotta look for yellow tops, little bags you can shoot that drop ropes, locks on doors. All sorts of ways to get to them. Some in new york are a little hard compared to DC ones.

[thorn hedge]

That is dc

[sudden matrix]

Oh it is.

Wait that doesn't matter I was just talking about NY being harder than DC.

[prime ginkgo]

found it had to go threw the building behind me then drop down

thanks for the help

[tough marsh]

@drifting leaf "bonus junk" classified missions serve as additional fast travel points. If you are going to do open world farming (which you will), this will benefit you greatly. That increase in QoL at the cost of £5 will pay off

[sudden matrix]

Yeah but only if you're on a map where they have unlocked those fast travels too. So join a buddies game that hasn't done classified missions you don't have that option. Hell I've only done like 4 of them and that was because of a random backup call. Don't get me wrong it is a time saver and QOL but you might not always get it if you play with lots of people.

[tough marsh]

Then activate all them fast travels. One only has to do the National Armory Bond to activate all fast travel points

The moment the assignment is located is the moment you can begin to fast travel to it

[sudden matrix]

Man that's work yo. Plus I mostly XP farm down around tidal currently.

[rain echo]

West end has the best XP farming

Lot of activities and CPs

I run a certain route rinse n repeat

[rugged stratus]

i still like tidal area. was with a group yesterday where we just kept circling the washington monument cp and they just constantly replenished

[rain echo]

U still hovering around the call for backup deck?😅

[rugged stratus]

yeah, i got my shepherd rank 25 commendation this season finally

[rain echo]

You eat sleep the call for backup don't you

[rugged stratus]

yeah pretty much

[rain echo]

I'm only shep rank 10 tbh I just wanted tbe unicorn bp trophy you get from reaching a certain rank

New season drops next week

[rugged stratus]

yeah should be good, we'll see if they delay or not. probably why they havent officially announced when itll drop

[rain echo]

I want that smg

[rugged stratus]

should be a good meme gun. insane rof and really fast reload, i think itll be able to deplete ammo reserves in less that 2 minutes 🤣

i just wish they would unfold the damn thing

[blazing timber]

ninjabike 3 umbra 2 striker with gunner new rof meta