ask-td2-community

[frail wadi]

game is saying that i have 2 weekly challenge rewards, where are they?

[thorn hedge]

go to projects menu might be that

[frail wadi]

oh right

[rugged stratus]

check the challenges section under div2 on ubisoft connect . its probably just a couple hundred credits or something like that. they show up in stash after collected in the app

[blazing timber]

i always why the hell are those not automatically collected like why i need to press a button to claim should be instant unlock

[rugged stratus]

ikr 🍻 , what can ya do

[blazing timber]

i think i should give them feedback i have 15+ uncollected challenges

but again ubi

[narrow kraken]

this is what my build looks like now

[blazing timber]

pretty solid build

change that ace to something else like smg/rifle so in case you run out of ammo

[blazing timber]

rolls feel like a bit low with elmos

chd should be around 180

should replace fenris with groupo

[rugged stratus]

Nah replace the providence with grupo* hsd isnt doing much and vigilance damage will be the same

[blazing timber]

yeah cgf

my bad

[viscid root]

Yeah, that will not work in the non-beta version; you need to switch to the beta version, collect the challenges, and then switch back and the old version will then stop saying "Weekly challenges coming soon" and show you the new ones. At least, that's been my experience with it. (I can go find a link to my bug report about it, if you need it.)

[rugged stratus]

Yeah it's been unavailable to me so that tracks 👍

[viscid root]

I think that this URL will take you to my report: https:// discord.com/channels/863058244934696961/1147013075770281984/1147013075770281984

[thorn hedge]

good job

[fallow inlet]

Hey Local

[sudden matrix]

I think you can claim your challenges via the social overlay if you can't do it in the launcher, ya know if you don't wanna run beta launcher.

[fallow inlet]

Hey Souless

[sudden matrix]

Hello. Big plans for the weekend?

[fallow inlet]

I work the weekends

[sudden matrix]

What days are you off? Or a rotating type thing?

[fallow inlet]

Monday and Thursday

have you met the killer yellow tank in Div 1

you shoot it with a pistol and insta die

[sudden matrix]

Da wat? Also haven't played it for well like forever.

[rugged stratus]

whats good Saph

[blazing timber]

yeah it's been a while

[fallow inlet]

theres a building you can goto which should have been a safe house, in a small room at top of stairs theres 2 yellow tanks 1 will just wound you a little the othe will insta kill you

[blazing timber]

is that a named enemy spawn?

in pair

[fallow inlet]

yes on the street but the building is not the bounty building

[blazing timber]

okk

need a map ss to locate it correctly

[fallow inlet]

correct

[blazing timber]

also div1 navigator >> div2

[frail wadi]

is this bugged, there is no way to go there and loot the chest

oh nevermind i had to loot some stuff around

[sudden matrix]

These and pretty much every activity will bug at some point tho.

[inner tendon]

Last time that happened for me (different area) I just jumped on the roof and it was sorted out.

[frail wadi]

did golden bullet put me on heroic difficulty?

[sudden matrix]

Yeah if I'm farming xp and I can't get it sorted in 30-60 seconds I just move on. I'd rather not waste too much time with.

[sudden matrix]

You can GB at any diff and with any directives. Just change your map settings if you don't like it. Does it default you there? I honestly don't know.

[frail wadi]

yeah, i had it on challenging and now i am dying in the middle of a CP because everything 2 shots me

[inner tendon]

Enemies with the GB do more damage, but you might as well double-check and reset the difficulty in case it's glitched in some way.

[frail wadi]

it looks glitched

because I am on another CP and it's on challenging now

[inner tendon]

There's a chance you finished an activity and raised the diff up.
It's very easy to do.

[frail wadi]

no idea honestly but at least the xp is nice regardless

[sudden matrix]

Yeah if you do an activity and it's got a +1 or +2 and has a red line connecting to a CP it'll raise that CP diff.

[urban mist]

What’s the fastest way to make items become proficient?

[viscid root]

It does not default you there. I reckon maybe he bumped the CP to level 4.

[urban mist]

I want to upgrade my Elmo’s but my Expertise Level isn’t high enough

[viscid root]

Donate items and materials.

[viscid root]

That's different. Sounds like your Elmo's is already Proficient, and you want to know the fastest way to increase expertise. (Though the answer is pretty much the same.)

[sudden matrix]

I've just seen sooooo many bugs and I don't like to call out people as wrong when it could be a simple mistake or ignorance.

[urban mist]

Yeah my Elmo is proficient

I already donated mats

[viscid root]

Donate more, to other items. :-)

[urban mist]

Ohhh so donating items researches them faster

I donated all of my mats

[viscid root]

Yeah, you should see the little bar go up when you do the donation.

[urban mist]

Fun, so this eats my mats like crazy

[viscid root]

Get more mats. :-)

[urban mist]

Oh lord. The mat grind is gonna be wild lmao

[viscid root]

But see? We've already reduced your problem to a different problem. Progress! :-)

[urban mist]

True!!

[viscid root]

Were it an ideal world, we could go in and replace all your problems with completely different problems. Works for compilers; not so sure about Div2.

[rugged stratus]

Not really too bad, once you have a high enough shd you can run wony on a new agent and duplicate your entire watch including all scavenging points, infinitely. After 1000shd all gains are scavenging points. This is how a majority are high level expertise. If still lower level dont even worry too much about expertise and focus on driving up shd 👍

[sudden matrix]

You can also level all 4 character slots and use their watches too. Most level 3 and have a wony character that they delete re level when needed.

[rugged stratus]

Definitly worth it 👍

[fresh inlet]

Guys i have a questions which is better for healing survivalist or technician? im so confused because survivalist give u more outgoing healing but u dont gte more healing n range for hive so yea

[tiny stump]

you'll have them all maxed out eventually. it doesnt make that much of a difference unless you want to use the linked laser pointer with technician specialization so you can use the spotter chest talent, flatline weapon talent, or heartbreraker gear set

but survivalist is probly best healing

[fresh inlet]

ik tht buit is 5% better healing with tech along with range worth it

[tiny stump]

hmm

[fresh inlet]

over outgoing healing im confused on how triage even works tbh in survivalist

[tiny stump]

the range of a healer hive is probably more useful

since you'll already be overhealing most likely if youre using future initiative

[fresh inlet]

yea i just dont know wht it does

because 15% skill healing is 5% more then 10%

n more range idk tbh i needa a breakdown but cant find it tbh

[tiny stump]

yeah skill healing might only mean when your heals affect skills like drone or turret, not playerss

[fresh inlet]

idk thts why im cofnused

[tiny stump]

im not sure if thats the case either

[fresh inlet]

beacuse with techno it increases it by 100K

[rugged stratus]

Are you planning on being a healer in a group

[fresh inlet]

whetehr in countdown or raids yeah

i run healer alot to help people

i also use empathic resolve

[rugged stratus]

Survivalist. Your medkits will apply to everyone around you

[fresh inlet]

instead because the future I dmg boost u dont loose it

[rugged stratus]

Add scorpio, your entire team will get 10% damage to status targets

[fresh inlet]

yea i do

but my question is like idk wht triage survivalist does

outgoing healing doesnt icnrease heals tho

[rugged stratus]

Is that the healing of skills when you use a medkit

[fresh inlet]

idk

it actally does 5% less healing then technos tho

n it has less range for hive so like -_-

techno has 5% more skill healing along with more hive range n skill haste ( which is a must for healers ) but siruvivalist has outgoing healing but idk wtf tht means

[rugged stratus]

Survivalist has more versatility that tech. You get the free core and 10% repair skills if choose, but your team pretty much gets nothing

[tiny stump]

outgoing healing is probably the same thing as that percent of repair skills

[foggy needle]

iirc its not

[fresh inlet]

if it was why doesnt it increase skill healing? or repair skills in general

[tiny stump]

oh

[foggy needle]

the outgoing is an amp and the repair skills is just normal repair skills (additive) iirc

[tiny stump]

oh nice

[foggy needle]

also big reason healers want to go survivalist's is for the group damage to status amp buff

[fresh inlet]

i see but for countdown lets say which is better

im running future with empathic resolve so im kidna confused

[rugged stratus]

For countdown it's probably better to just run dps or cc

[foggy needle]

easily survivalist's if there are no other ones otherwise it doesnt matter tbh.

[fresh inlet]

oh so they need to be surivavlsit to get the boost? the 15% outgoing healing?

[rugged stratus]

Status boost yeah

[foggy needle]

for countdown having a FI person is a must tbh, too big of a buff not to run. so run Red FI if your working with a team otherwise normal healer FI is fine.

[fresh inlet]

faxx

thts kidna dumb tho

why does surviivalist

[foggy needle]

well i mean that perk is tied to survivalist spec so cant use it if not the spec.

[fresh inlet]

not have better heals then tehncician? less skill haste range n effiencey like wtf xD

[rugged stratus]

Yeah no, its really not needed. It's a big buff sure but it's also 1 less producing damage

[foggy needle]

its not though

[tiny stump]

either way you should have plenty of healing going out

[foggy needle]

Red FI does good enough damage and then you get that buff that makes them even stronger (as a build)

[wispy merlin]

red FI does half the damage as a fully stacked striker obliterate iirc from ikia

[foggy needle]

saying "FI buff is less damage" clearly shows you havent done the math to see the difference

[wispy merlin]

but that ofc makes it up with the buff

[tiny stump]

yeah with red FI, scorpio and perfect opportunistic my scorpio crit pellets went from

[foggy needle]

yea Ikia has a great math break down on it you can watch, will explain it/ show it, better then i can

[fresh inlet]

so basically surivivalist is lesser version of technician has less range less skill haste n one less kill tier

[foggy needle]

no

they are 2 different specs

[fresh inlet]

only reason to run it is to support other survivalist ig ?

[foggy needle]

survivalist has stronger group buffs, Tech has stronger self buffs

[rugged stratus]

Eh, doesnt matter much regardless. Of course it's a buff but CD isnt really infinitely hard to complete without a healer

[tiny stump]

yeh

[foggy needle]

thats why you run Red FI then

[wispy merlin]

that's precisely why you run red FI

[rugged stratus]

Raid or legendary probably pretty vital tho

[foggy needle]

having 1 red FI in the group gives a big dps boost to the run for free.

[rugged stratus]

Dont you lose the buff if healer takes damage

[tiny stump]

no

[fresh inlet]

no

[foggy needle]

its per person

[tiny stump]

yup

[wispy merlin]

no, it's per each member, if that member takes damage they lose buff, does not consider healer

[fresh inlet]

this is why i run empathetic resolve so they dont lose it tho

[rugged stratus]

Oic so anyone that takes a shot loses their buff until full health then

[foggy needle]

also Red FI can still have okay healing (run 2 healing skills) to top off people

[wispy merlin]

which means if your team is good, they don't take damage, they get free buff

[foggy needle]

yea and also shots to bonus armor dont drop the buff (if group is running a bonus armor)

[fresh inlet]

which is why alot of Future chest is trash tbh

ive heard

[civic lily]

Which means if everyone just shield head glitches around the same corner they will be fine

very possible

[wispy merlin]

not really, future chest relieves you from having to heal people

[foggy needle]

hu? Future chest is very much NOT trash its the reason the set is super strong

[tiny stump]

yeah

[wispy merlin]

emphathic resolve forces you to heal them

[fresh inlet]

yea but i heard rom mutiple diofferent sources to nOT USE it because u LOSE IT WHEN DMGED

[wispy merlin]

that's already what you lose with base 4p, chest doesn't make it worse

[civic lily]

inb4 designated hitter slander aswell

[rugged stratus]

It's a strategy ig. I dont really see fi alot in cd.

[foggy needle]

also in CD, just have 1 person run red FI and 1 person run Red build with vanguard, free bonus armor that gives higher uptime to the groups vigilance and FI buff.

[tiny stump]

if i knew i was gonna have a red FI on my team i would at least run preservation on my gun, and probably a chem healer for myself so i dont lose the buff and then use up an armor kit for a small amt of damage

[fresh inlet]

? its not a matter of me taking dmg its a matter of healing others tbh tho

[foggy needle]

what??

[wispy merlin]

no, not you taking damage, others take damage yes

[fresh inlet]

yea i heard tht if u heal someone n they get dmged they lose tht buff which in most cases in counter productive

[wispy merlin]

read again: that's what you sign up for when you run FI already

[civic lily]

so heal them back when they get damaged

[foggy needle]

^^

[wispy merlin]

the chest does not alter that fact

the chest makes the buff stronger

you should read FI talent again

[fresh inlet]

yea but in countdown them not getting dmed isnt possible

[rugged stratus]

If the team is good they dont take damage 🤔

[wispy merlin]

skill issue

[civic lily]

Run ongoing directive then it's probably better alternative anyways

in countdown I mean

[tiny stump]

simpler at least

[wispy merlin]

empathic resolve sure grants the buff when you heal them and isn't lost when they take damage, but then why are you running FI? just run empathic resolve

[fresh inlet]

i run both

[wispy merlin]

then you should already know they lose the buff when they take damage, that's not a FI chest drawback

[rugged stratus]

I personally ep cc. Then scorpio/sledgehamme/survivalist buff against targets. All while npc stuck to the ground 🤷‍♂️

[fresh inlet]

them taking dmg isnt a skill issue tho thts the whole point of a healer n with blueberries in countdown thats impractical tbh

[foggy needle]

yea skill issue and even if they get damage, once healed they get it right back,

also shield, player skill, and having bonus armor, AOK like gunner, self heal, the FI guy throwing heals, ALL help with the FI buff uptime and together all make haivng the buff easy.

[wispy merlin]

them taking damage is a skill issue because there are good players who know how to not take damage lol

taking damage is avoidable is what i'm saying

[tiny stump]

unless the other players are too stupid to realize they have an FI buff, they'll be makin sure their armor is topped up

[civic lily]

Good players know how to run shield

[fresh inlet]

yea ik but why handicap myself to tht when hunters are shooting them nonstop ? like i cant control tht so why not run empathetic resolve yk?

[foggy needle]

???

[civic lily]

bruh

[foggy needle]

its not a handicap though .. re-read everything above lol

[fresh inlet]

like players always gonna get dmged yk even when healed sure u can heal them over n over but then the buffs comes n goes at will

[wispy merlin]

consider this: you have to heal them continuously with empathic resolve. when hunters come, how do you heal?

[foggy needle]

also empathetic resolve is limited range so not everyone will have the buff, vs FI buff is unlimited range and MUCH easier to have the buff up on everyone 24/7

[wispy merlin]

that too, empathic resolve doesn't have a big range

[fresh inlet]

oh i totally get tht

[foggy needle]

also empathic resolve buff is only given by the person running it. vs FI buff everyone helps control their own / and or party (vanguard, healing, CC) uptime.

[fresh inlet]

huh?

[civic lily]

That's false

[fresh inlet]

ohh yea ik wht u mean

[foggy needle]

whats false?

[civic lily]

According to its description

[foggy needle]

hu?

[civic lily]

Empathetic works on everyone too

If you repair them

[foggy needle]

re-read what i wrote

[fresh inlet]

someone needs to run it ofc i get tht

[foggy needle]

not what i said/ point

[foggy needle]

re read this ^^

[fresh inlet]

ive seen it proc for other players tho so idk

[foggy needle]

omg

re read it slowly....

[wispy merlin]

if you're the dps and you're too far away to be healed by the FI user, you canNOT take advantage of empathic resolve

[rugged stratus]

I'll stick wih my original... fi is wasted in cd. 🤣
Could be doing so much more with a damage set. I think OD was mentioned above and is also a buff 🤷‍♂️ or just running strong dps . Obv I'm partial to cc

[civic lily]

Future initiative buff is only given by the person running it too but I get what u mean

[foggy needle]

yes and no

because people can self heal / use shield to keep their own buff of it up

vs ONLY the person with the empathic talent can manage the uptime of the talent.

[civic lily]

damn

[wispy merlin]

OD is also weaker than a striker tho

[civic lily]

no shit

however it's od

[foggy needle]

OD is a support builds, strikers is a dps build, of course its weaker

[tiny stump]

you think a pointman/vanguard build is a waste in CD?

[fresh inlet]

seems theres alot of mis conceptions about Future chest n empathetic resolve man kidna confusing tbh

[foggy needle]

OD competes with FI not strikers

[civic lily]

True patriot crying rn

[wispy merlin]

yes, i'm just countering local's initial point of the 8th just running dps

then there would be no point to running a buffer

which is contradictory

[civic lily]

Lmao

[gilded jolt]

Sc is a pvp only build right? Not viable for pve?

[fresh inlet]

so like future intiative is better but empathetic resolve is better on healing people individually? ( like dropping a heal on them etc)

[foggy needle]

the talent is not a waste at all, blue builds with it are though, if trying to min max. have 1 person run the talent (say a red strikers build) its a great free buff for the cd raid and helps keep FI buff up.

[rugged stratus]

Question. In cd 8man is fi buffing all or subgroup

[foggy needle]

all

[wispy merlin]

all

[civic lily]

Now. Let's run vanguard with FI

[foggy needle]

same with vanguard

also vanguard might buff the owner too (like in raids) cant remember, need to double check that too

[civic lily]

Vanguard buffs the owner in cd

[fresh inlet]

So which is better to use empathetic resolve chest or future chest?

[civic lily]

It's weird asf but it works

[foggy needle]

future chest, no contest at all

[rugged stratus]

And no healing when jammed unless you are on tech and hive is down

[fresh inlet]

yea ik thts not my point

[wispy merlin]

exactly

[civic lily]

nice restorer hive

[fresh inlet]

its a matter of healing n better skill dmg to me n my teammates

[wispy merlin]

that is relevant though, if you can't heal them empathic resolve is useless

[fresh inlet]

with future ig tht includes skill dmg ig not too sure

[wispy merlin]

...which FI and FI chest give

[rugged stratus]

I'm just thinking outloud, not responding to anything sorry

[sudden matrix]

"thinking"

[wispy merlin]

FI is both total weapon damage AND total skill damage

[civic lily]

oh what it effects skills. Cool

turret drone users aren't completely lost

[foggy needle]

Of the good talents/ buffs, these all work for the entire raid group (so all 8 people) in CD and raids.

vanguard, FI buff, OD buff, Opportunistic, Galvanize, leadership, and tardigade,

think i got them all

[rugged stratus]

Brain is starting to steam a little 😅

[wispy merlin]

to re-iterate right, if you're a dps and you heal yourself up to full:

• empathic resolve is useless
• FI chest works because it just depends on your armor being full, not that you are healed by FI

[foggy needle]

also the spec party boosts ONLY work for your own group of 4

[fresh inlet]

is it really useless? not really

[civic lily]

even things like 15% outgoing healing?

[fresh inlet]

in countdown n raids not really

[wispy merlin]

why is it not useless? are you going to heal someone already at full armor?

[fresh inlet]

tht doesnt include skill healing btw

[civic lily]

what else am I gonna heal with

[foggy needle]

i mean compared to something like FI, yes empathic is useless. IF FI set wasnt a thing then yes empathic would be a good talent, its just that FI stomps on it and is ran by the same person (the group support)

[fresh inlet]

yea ik but its not about the healing im after iot was just the skill dmg boost aswell but yea

[civic lily]

oh right I was gonna use catharsis survivalist

[wispy merlin]

you are missing the point again, the point is empathic resolve only buffs when you heal them

[civic lily]

getting max value from outgoing healing

[fresh inlet]

oh ofc ig tht

[wispy merlin]

so, if you don't heal them, it is useless, and you don't heal them every 10s

[foggy needle]

also if they take no damage, you cant heal them to give them the buff

[fresh inlet]

i heal for about like 1.5 or 1.6m in pve so like there was alot of mis conceptions about how it works

[wispy merlin]

what does healing amount have to do with the topic?

[fresh inlet]

with survivalist i heal for 100K less

[civic lily]

lol

[wispy merlin]

is that in any way related to empathic resolve?

[fresh inlet]

then technician tht 15% outgoing healing doesnt attribute to players everyone, just other survivalists in your group which is why i was confused

because outgoing healing n skill healing are two different things apparently when a healer

[foggy needle]

you have to look at all the data not just "big healing numbers", lots of variables needed

when reviewing empathic as a "possible talent" ^^

[fresh inlet]

yes glad you told me tho i appreciate it was so confused peopel telling me not to use future chest n others saying to use it i was like -_-

[foggy needle]

but TLDR: this ^^

[civic lily]

what if it was a backpack talent?

[foggy needle]

hmm

[sudden matrix]

But it's not a good healer build unless it's healing 1.5 mil armor. /s

[fresh inlet]

future intiaive backpack healer 60% to 120% is idk too much to give up

sure they have to be in a group within 5m but still

[civic lily]

meh I heal for a million health anyways

[wispy merlin]

why can't i heal my full red teammate who got one shot??

[civic lily]

Also fi runs opportunistic last time I checked

[foggy needle]

FI backpack isnt used

[sudden matrix]

lol why don't I have any chem launchers? My big heals oh no!

[rugged stratus]

If fi in cd dont you want to max buffing. So like fi buff/opportunistic/scorpio

[wispy merlin]

but yeah the problem with healing in pve is npcs deal too much damage. my joke above holds true because you can't heal someone who would get one shot

[foggy needle]

as extra healing isnt needed

[wispy merlin]

if you heal 10 million armor, it doesn't help when the full red guy dies in one shot

[civic lily]

One shot protection issue

[wispy merlin]

two shot protection issue*

[fresh inlet]

its not?

[foggy needle]

FI wants to run backpack damage buffs, so opportunistic or vigilance if running Red FI

no its not.

[fresh inlet]

even for countdown? n etc

[foggy needle]

for any content

[fresh inlet]

oh so oppunternistic gotcha

[tiny stump]

perfect opportunistic if ya got it

[rugged stratus]

Survivalist nade also procs sledgehammer really well

[civic lily]

If running no shield good luck keeping vigi up

[fresh inlet]

hasnt tht not came out yet?

[tiny stump]

no its in that pic i just posted.

[foggy needle]

if you wanted to run extra "healing" then galvanize or leadership are better "healing" talents for FI to run anyways, they both also help upkeep FI even with zero blues but also work with much larger range then just "standing on top of healer"

[rugged stratus]

Its out

[tiny stump]

its called the set up

UG brand

[fresh inlet]

oohhh i thought u meant the talent

my bad

[tiny stump]

yeah the talent

[foggy needle]

this picture makes my knees weak 🤤

[fresh inlet]

so use fi chets with the setup gotcha

[rugged stratus]

Gotta put a stage left next to that scorpio 😎

[civic lily]

no sledgehammer

[tiny stump]

oh yeah good call

[rugged stratus]

It's been on my cc, really decent tbh

[foggy needle]

Omg i missed that! thought it was sledge okay nm knees are fine lol

[foggy needle]

you mean... to the left of scorpio 😎

[civic lily]

🗿

today I learned riot foam grenade doesn't proc sledge

I'm sad now

[wispy merlin]

damnnn

[narrow kraken]

name of this gun

[true siren]

eagle bearer

[fresh inlet]

eagle bearer

[narrow kraken]

is it like the famas or police m4

[fresh inlet]

only found in DZ and Dark hours raid

[fresh inlet]

no

[true siren]

its the eagle bearer

[narrow kraken]

so its super rare

[narrow kraken]

i was saying which one is it the closest to

[fresh inlet]

yea raid has a 10% chance to drop in raid, dz has less then a 0.002 % chance to drop

[true siren]

super rare in DZ, like 10% from the final chest in the DH raid

[wispy merlin]

p416

[true siren]

^

[fresh inlet]

built of p416

[narrow kraken]

damn thats so rare! What is the point of darkzone? anyways is the loot any better tahn what u get in summit or countdown?

[true siren]

no lol

[fresh inlet]

atcually worse

n if u were to farm it it would take u awhile kowing thre drop chances in dz

[foggy needle]

that chd roll wasnt naturally god rolled.. trash, not worth keeping lol

[fresh inlet]

so do i use tehncician or survivalist? for healer build with future'

[foggy needle]

opportunistic

eh sorry wrong copy paste lol

survivalist

[fresh inlet]

thanski

[narrow kraken]

what is the point of darkzone?

[foggy needle]

biggest reason, just for pvp

[narrow kraken]

today...? is there any PVP? if i kill someone do i get his loot

[foggy needle]

eh well yes and no

[narrow kraken]

wdym

[foggy needle]

the only loot that drops in DZ from death is the loot inside your contaminated bag.

[narrow kraken]

but if i kill someone do i get their loot

[foggy needle]

only the loot inside their contaminated bag.

[narrow kraken]

oh okay so if they picked up something i get that loot

[foggy needle]

TLDR: loot in DZ drops as contaminated, when you pick it up, it goes into your own C. bag, and then if you want to keep that loot you have to go and extract it, but if you die, that loot inside of it drops on the floor

[narrow kraken]

oh ok but is the loot any good then

it must be if theres a risk to losing it

[true siren]

lol.

[foggy needle]

its the same loot as the loot from outside of it.

with the exception of there are some exclusive named items from DZ, and their best way to farm them being in DZ. but outside of that its the exact same loot but worse as you can farm better and more in summit/ countdown

[narrow kraken]

why though it seems like a good concept

[foggy needle]

because that is how it is right now in the game

[rugged stratus]

every dz exclusive is available some other way. named caches for the named dz stuff and raids have a lot higher chance to drop eagleburger or rav

[foggy needle]

this ^^ BUT the dz exclusive named items best way is still to farm DZ target loot for them

[narrow kraken]

do u mean raids like operation iron horse etc

[foggy needle]

yup

[narrow kraken]

i did 1 raid and it was not what i expected...

u have to use a minigun and there are too many people

[true siren]

the allure of the DZ is mostly for people who like to be mean or like their loot to have stakes instead of just outright getting it. for your trouble there are some dz exclusives, but those can also be grabbed from named caches. There are also the 3 exotics, Bighorn (previously legendary named enemy drop) the Ravenous (IH exotic, 10% from final box) and Eagle Bearer (DH exotic, also 10% from box at the end)

[rugged stratus]

ive got every dz name exclusive out of caches, multiple times.. they drop like candy

[true siren]

*the exotics can only be grabbed by doing the normal versions which do require actual strategies, unlike discovery where toddlers have about an equal chance of finishing as a random group.

[narrow kraken]

is dark hours raid the same as iron horse raid?

[true siren]

if you went and matchmade for the raids, you did discovery- which is a giant waste of time, and it would only benefit the game if they were deleted.

[narrow kraken]

sry for asking so many questions

[true siren]

nah, IH is an assault on a big True Sons smelting facility

[rugged stratus]

its what the channels are for , you good fam

[true siren]

DH is a BTSU controlled airport

[narrow kraken]

some people get annoyed but at least im asking questions others may have

i am SHD lvl 123 and I still dont know what to play, i dont like countdown and i didnt like the raids because both modes have too many people and i feel like what I does nothing to the outcome of the match we are going to win anyways when theres 8 other people

Only mode that I liked so far was the summit but playing 1 mode gets boring

[civic lily]

Countdown you can carry lol

challenging in particular which is what everyone runs

[narrow kraken]

MAybe but the mode is still boring to me ur just 8 players which is too many IMO running around in a small map

[rugged stratus]

aspiring legendary speedrunner in the making

[true siren]

when people know what to do its not too bad really, especially in raids (mostly IH)

[narrow kraken]

Maybe incursion mode will be more fun? Its not 8 players

[foggy needle]

"they drop like candy" and "drop with the correct rolls" are 2 very different things

[rugged stratus]

yeah, but at least you have it. even if you get a good drop in dz you can still lose it

[foggy needle]

like if you are trying for a specific dz named, your highest chance is farm TL in dz for it. its higher then rng from named caches

[rugged stratus]

ofc

[foggy needle]

hence why i said above "your best way is TL at DZ"

[rugged stratus]

ig its a good thing most of the dz exclusives arent really best in slot

[foggy needle]

agreed

is there even any bis gear from DZ 🤔

i guess just the gift, but not really a "strong" upgrade lol

[rugged stratus]

maybe double regen emporers guard on a verry specific build or something like that

but the do drop like candy depending on how many caches you buy

yeah i dont consider gift essential. i guess it could be argued that its 25% more dps since its 3sec downtime instead of 4sec on regular 🤣

i think yaahl is probably one of the more desirable dz exclusive, but that wont come in a named cache other than hollowman

[foggy needle]

hmm well emperors arent even in the meta, more like off meta tbh

[rugged stratus]

yeah ik

i think only real good thing is honestly kard custom

[civic lily]

Matador?

[foggy needle]

Matador isn't a meta item even for pvp, it's just and easy adrush item to get

Not bis either, normal adrush is stronger because stronger brand

[civic lily]

Sometimes the brand doesn't matter, like head hunter builds

idk

[foggy needle]

Yea but ad rush builds don't fall under that category

[narrow kraken]

what is the difference between these two raids?
operation iron horse vs dark hours

[sudden matrix]

A lot...

[civic lily]

one is more bs then the other

[sudden matrix]

One is very mechanically driven and the other is not so much.

Dark hours is a very easy raid in comparison to iron horse in many aspects.

[narrow kraken]

can u go in to more detail pls

[sudden matrix]

Types of builds needed, team work, communication, just everything.

[narrow kraken]

i remember one of the raids i played the bosses were immune and u had to disable missle launchers

[frail wadi]

what does "confuse hostiles" mean (GB challenge)

[narrow kraken]

Which one was that

[frail wadi]

also is it worth using my stars on exotic caches (I just want Waveform 😃)

[sudden matrix]

Dark hours, razor back.

[narrow kraken]

that one was annoying hows that one not the worst one? I remember raids were a big advertisments for this game and sucks that their so MEEH

[true siren]

They are actually pretty cool, and fun to run.

*on normal

[sudden matrix]

Razorback is easy.

I can explain and teach that fight in 5-10 minutes

[narrow kraken]

is that iron or dark hours raid

[sudden matrix]

Dark hours.

You can run one build thru that raid. DPS. Everyone can. You don't even need support. Iron horse is just so much more.

Like for me to explain boss three in IH would be a wall of text and a few builds needed.

[narrow kraken]

🤯

[sudden matrix]

That's also the case for boss 2 and 4. Even traveling thru to other bosses requires builds and knowledge in iron horse.

[true siren]

Dark Hours- Boomer, Dizzy & Ricochet, Weasel, Lucy & Buddy, Razorback.
Iron Horse- Lt. Gray, Fieser, Williams, Morozova and the Earthshaker.

Those are all the peeps in the raids. Like Souless said, Dark Hours is some minor puzzles (if even that) and a lot of just doing things at the same time or at the right time. After that its just dmg checks. Iron Horse is a lot more, but its not too bad, just a lot of things that need to be done.

[sudden matrix]

Yeah it's something to be enjoyed tho. Lots of people like the raid and teach and carry people thru. I highly suggest the raid to everyone for at least the exotics. If you run enough to get them and go this isn't for me all good. You'll also get into really crappy groups, not all gamers are nice and helpful.

[true siren]

i will also reiterate- please please please dont go and run discovery mode like 12 times hoping for the exotic, it wont drop, you'll come back and ask about it, then beat yourself up about it and have wasted hours.
normal doesnt have matchmaking but CAN drop the raid exotics. Discovery is easy and has matchmaking, but you CANNOT get the raid exotic from discovery mode.

[sudden matrix]

Also discovery is nothing like the actual mechanics of the raid. There are other discords that will teach and help you with raids. I've helped deaf and non verbal people thru the raid and countless shy don't wanna talk people. People are happy to help.

[true siren]

^^^

[narrow kraken]

i crafted a police m4 replica and i recalibrated one of the rolls and now the talent ant be recalibrated

[nimble spruce]

yeah you can only recalibrate one stat per item (although you can recalibrate that same stat as many times as you want)

[narrow kraken]

damn so talent is everything

ranger talent

is this a good AR

this was the AR i cant recalibrate anymore

because i maxed out the heath DMG

i could make AR dmg 18%

[sudden matrix]

If you're starting it perfect rolled items aren't the goal. Correct rolls is your goal.

[narrow kraken]

starting what? and wydm correct

[sudden matrix]

I'm just gonna guess this is for an AR damage build so you'd want damage to target out of cover as your third attribute. It's a total damage multiplier. The talent is dependent on your build but ideally you'd find a gun with DTTOOC and roll the talent as you please.

[narrow kraken]

not just DMG i also wanted a higher rate of fire

[sudden matrix]

If you wanna do stuff just do it. It's not going to be your best option but ya know Nike slogan.

[narrow kraken]

Lol what is wrong with what I want?

🤔

[sudden matrix]

It's less damage.

But it's fine, a few percentage here and there isn't a big deal in solo heroic.

[narrow kraken]

so i would want DMG out of cover, WP dmg and AR DMG?

[narrow kraken]

i play on challenging

[sudden matrix]

That's fine. People don't have to play heroic or legendary, can just play what you enjoy. At that point you can pretty much run anything for your build tho.

4 man challenging is just a tiny bit over heroic solo health iirc.

[narrow kraken]

heroic dont let u respawn

[sudden matrix]

Dying isn't really a problem for most. I really don't recall the last wipe I did that wasn't legendary.

[narrow kraken]

do u have the hiver reveiver

[gilded jolt]

But why can't he run what ever he wants soul? Lol

[sudden matrix]

If you do pursue good builds challenging and heroic become laughable.

[sudden matrix]

Wat? I even said that you can run whatever.

[wispy merlin]

i mean, this isn't about deterring them from the best option as much as informing them of the best option

[gilded jolt]

I'm kidding lol

Get with the picture broski 😂

[wispy merlin]

reviver hive is a rather dead skill as it doesn't have as much utility as other skills (only active when you go down) while other skills like decoy and turret will also save your life AND allow you to reposition

[sudden matrix]

I run all directives so it's on cool down but if not I use it to pick up teammates as I'd rather clear the room or drop a hive vs stop and pick up people.

Ain't nobody got time to revive. Reflect on your actions while on the floor.

[rugged stratus]

I dont leave it equipped specifically because of cool skills.

[true siren]

you got a boo boo and now have to go Ouchie This Hurty

[gilded jolt]

Can't wait to do my first legendary on my hardcore character lol

[wispy merlin]

good luck

[gilded jolt]

Imma treat every npc like I'm going against an actual person 😂

[sudden matrix]

What is this inglorious bastards?

[gilded jolt]

Lmao

First thing first, farm for system corruptive gear, make a nice tanky/dps build with it, then we solid >:D

[wispy merlin]

ah yes, go to dz to farm for syscor

big brain

[rugged stratus]

GB legacy caches for sc

[gilded jolt]

Well per youtube, mailbox is shared between hardcore and regular charscter so, farm sc on regular and have my hardcore take it lol

[narrow kraken]

is this true:

Damage to Enemies Out of Cover: Situationally useful but not as universally applicable as the others.

[wispy merlin]

what are "the others"? dttooc is among the most useful

[narrow kraken]

i asked chat gpt lol

[wispy merlin]

chatgpt is dumb

ask real people

[narrow kraken]

🤪

i asked it again

[wispy merlin]

there you see

but chatgpt seems to source from info before gear 2.0 (wony) so don't count on it for remotely up-to-date advice

[narrow kraken]

true

[rugged stratus]

all targets can be out of cover, they can be encouraged to be out of cover with well placed grenades

[true siren]

and here is your reminder: chat GPT is dumb as rocks. Never ask it. Always ask places where people actually know.

[narrow kraken]

but why delete my msg

[rugged stratus]

also there is a resident AI in the server already 😆

[narrow kraken]

it wa just for fun

[narrow kraken]

he cant talk

[true siren]

Deleted because it was blatantly incorrect yet looked convincing. I dont want anyone else to see it and think its real.

[narrow kraken]

right below my image someone said it was wrong info though

it wasnt that missleading

[rugged stratus]

was talking about Rivens

[blazing timber]

chat gpt is weird i asked it to made a report on bacteria it resulted no cure available but in next line it wrote can be cured with something was funny as fuck

[blazing timber]

div2 chatgpt competitor

[narrow kraken]

is it cringe that i own div2 on epic

[main briar]

chatgpt is literally just a more advanced version of the text prediction feature that's been on your phones for the past two decades, don't trust it for shit. big tech just calls it AI because they wanna hype things up, don't think 'AI' as we know it today involves anything even remotely resembling scifi artificial sapience

[verbal topaz]

But it said chameleon good

[lucid yew]

When does the next season start

[main briar]

#td2-general-chat message

[viscid root]

Not weird. Expected. Remember, ChatGPT is a random word generator. It's just got some very complex direction about what kinds of words it can generate after what other words; the main goal of the text generation is to produce text that sounds, as convincingly as possible, as if it was written by one of the humans that wrote the text it was trained on.
ChatGPT has no intelligence, no ability to reason and no concept of logic or truth; anything that comes out that looks reasoned is because "looking reasoned" is an outcome of "make random text that looks like it was written by a human."

[blazing timber]

i know but the random word generator is very funny

[blazing timber]

point proved

[viscid root]

It can be absolutely hilarious, yes.

[viscid root]

Why is this saying my shield is tier 3 when it should be tier 4?

Ah, a bug. Switching the skill core out and in again makes it say tier 4.

[blazing timber]

you can overcharge your shield with future perfect can't you? now i think about it you can't

[fallow inlet]

go gamer you alive

[frail wadi]

what does "confuse hostiles" mean (GB challenge)

[blazing timber]

yeah

[fallow inlet]

NIGHT

[viscid root]

Apply the Disorientated status effect to them. Among other things, you can shoot the bags (weak points) of those rushers that drink their potion before starting battle, or use the Gunner specialisation's Banshee Pulse.

[frail wadi]

thanks!

[blazing timber]

also hunters fury us better for that you get inbuilt confuse

[narrow kraken]

Once you get your watch should your number one priority be getting to 1k SHD level? Is the gameplay change big? what I mean is you don’t have to get the perfect rolls on ur gear a lot of the times because u have that 10% increase in each stat %

I am only lvl. 130

And I’ve been playing since march and all I do is stronghold missions

[viscid root]

You should do whatever you enjoy. The Watch is helpful, but not in any way essential, and the levels will come anyway as you play.
The best thing you can do when it comes to levelling, besides regular play, is to add as many directives as you feel comfortable with, and then bump up the diffculty to whatever is still comfortable. I play a lot of, uh, "experimental" (to put it charitably) loadouts that are not particularly powerful, so I stick to Challenging with three direcives when soloing my open world, which is pretty comfortable for me.

[narrow kraken]

I changed the difficulty to heroic and the loot is a lot better now I think. I can only play with 1 directive with more than one the game would not be fun to me IMO

And it’s actually challenging to me. I don’t remember ever dying on challenging unless it was my own fault

[viscid root]

Oh, right; if you are grinding for loot, Heroic is the way to go and just turn off directives until you're ok. Heroic with one directive earns a little less XP than Challenging with three, though.

[narrow kraken]

But I think getting to 1k SHD watch is the way to go. I know it may have been obvious but getting good gear in this game is just a bunch of trade offs so if u can have the watch give u some stats ur hear doesn’t have it’s a big bonus

🤔

I think I messed up 2 ARs they had good stats but terrible talent

I have another question what happens after 1k SHD levels? I am putting all of my points in offense in to crit chance. When I get to 1k, can I no longer put points in to the offence or any other category?

Are the upgrades u make to ur stats in the SHD watch permanent and once u get to 1k levels u can’t reverse them or add more points to other stats like Weapon damage??

🤔

[viscid root]

Right. You'll notice that right now every fifth point is a Scavanging point; after 1000 every point becomes a Scavanging point.

[viscid root]

Correct.

[narrow kraken]

Wow that sucks

💀

I wish I was more careful

[viscid root]

What? Why? You want to get rid of your buffs?

[narrow kraken]

The ones I focused now are armour. Skill haste. Crit chance.

[viscid root]

Are you aware that once you hit level 1000, all watch items are at max? There's no choices to be made; it's always the same for everybody at the end.

[narrow kraken]

No and what do you mean

[viscid root]

I mean that it doesn't matter in the end; no matter which upgrades you pick first, at level 1000 you end up with the same thing regardless.

[narrow kraken]

Do you mean that if I never put my SHD points to health %. At 1k SHD level it will be maxed out by itself?

So adding ur points is just a faster way to max hr stats out

[viscid root]

By the end you will have to put your SHD points into health because there will be no other place to put them.

[narrow kraken]

So it doesn’t 1k SHD level to max out 1 core then

[viscid root]

It maxes out to the max levels you can already see. +10% Wdmg, +10% CHC, +15% Cdmg, etc.

[narrow kraken]

I’m confused my question is if I never add any points to my health % what happens

[blazing timber]

nothing it is automatic

[narrow kraken]

So it will be maxed out by itself

[blazing timber]

ahh you mean the health bonus it's fine if you do it in the end

cause every point gives health bonus anyway it should be your last priority out of 4 blues

[narrow kraken]

Yeah I was talking about the different categories in the watch. So u will have to max it out ur self before you get to 1k

Because it doesn’t take 1k points to max out crit chance 🤪

[viscid root]

Then you sit there with the points forever until you decide to add them to your health.

[narrow kraken]

Okay I am using my points for crit chance. Skill haste and armor

I filled up half of my amour and when I use a piece of gear that doesn’t give me armor I feel the difference and I’m always close to dying

I’m level 130

[viscid root]

Yup, that's fine. Do them in whatever order you like; it won't change anything in the end after you reach level 1000.

[narrow kraken]

What’s the name of this weapon?

The 2nd weapon in his inventory

It had no recoil

[true siren]

some variant of MG5 i think, but he could also be pulling down

But also i'd really reccomend you stop checking youtube and ai programs for builds- the spreadsheet in #td2-build-advice has a tab full of all kinds of builds that werent made by an AI and werent made by someone who lives off of clips.

[narrow kraken]

The video is 3 months old so it’s not updated

Outdated**

[true siren]

Looks a bit more than 3 months. Regardless, we have builds here (and can advise you on how to personalize builds if needed), no need to check YT for them. Using YT for figuring out how a skill works or how to do something is fine, but builds are generally under extremely specific circumstances and a common tactic is to record a long run of something and cut out everywhere where the build isnt doing well, just keeping the moments the build works.

Even using yt for build ideas is generally fine in most cases if you have common sense. Using 6 yellow cores with no damaging skills and a pistol is never gonna be a really good build, but if you swap the skills to damaging skills and the pistol to something with more kick, you'll be cooking.

[amber estuary]

How do I get faye lau second decryption key?

[worldly fjord]

i dont think you can? that was a thing for season 9?

[narrow kraken]

whats the most important when crafting ARs Rolls or talent

and the most important cores for a AR?
DMG enemies out of cover
AR dmg or weapon dmg?
DMG to armor or health?

[blazing timber]

2 rolls are fixed get one with dttoc for lmg dta/rof for talent to be rerollabale

[narrow kraken]

what is LMG, DTA, ROF

[blazing timber]

lmg- lightweight machine gun ,dta- damage to armour,rof- rate of fire

[narrow kraken]

what did u mean

i really didnt understand it

[blazing timber]

ok let's start from base all weapons like ar smg etc except pistol have 2 fixed attributes 1 is ar/smg/lmg dmg etc and 2 nd is fixed for the class it is
ar-health dmg
smg-crit chance
rifle -crit dmg
shotgun - damage to armour
mmr- headshot dmg
lmg-dttoc

these 2 are fixed while the third attribute is completely rng for all weapons except lmg 3rd attribute is preferred to be dttoc cause it amplifies dmg to Target put of cover however lmg always have dttoc so we reroll third core to dta or rof

we do this so we can have a rerollabale talent so we can just change talent to whenever amd whatever we want

[narrow kraken]

okay but whats the most important

rolls or talent

[blazing timber]

talent unless we have a new gear system

cause if you expertise a weapon and a new talent comes out you are stuck with a inferior talent on a. expertised weapon

dttoc is pretty much the king

[narrow kraken]

true

but i am playing on heroic and the reviver hive doenst revive me

thats crazy

[thorn hedge]

only doesnt do that if its on cooldown or jammed, or youre shocked when you go down

[blazing timber]

it depends on the state of jamming if the hive is reviving and you get emped then it will still get revived

[thorn hedge]

i meant when youre jammed and go down

not the hive

[gilded jolt]

I like strawberry jam

[narrow kraken]

on challegnger it always revives

[thorn hedge]

i just gave you the reasons it wouldnt revive

[blazing timber]

if not on cooldown

[narrow kraken]

it didnt revive me on heroic and i was shot to death

[thorn hedge]

then either you were jammed, shocked, or it was on cooldown

[narrow kraken]

i was shot to death. i wanst shocked and it wasnt on cooldown

[thorn hedge]

then youre the one in a million the games physics engine doesnt apply to

you were one of those things and theres no around it lmao

[gilded jolt]

Lol

[thorn hedge]

the only other thing is that you were in a group, went down, someone else overcharged to get your cooldown back, and then you died while weakened

[nocturne grove]

I have 2 questions to ask.

1. I extracted a gear attribute but it's not maxed. When I recalibrate the other item, can I then optimize that attribute to max?

2. I cannot recalibrate an exotic weapon. The weapon is not displayed in the screen after selecting the weapon category.
   Is it locked by default?

[thorn hedge]

1. you cant optimize a recalibrated attribute
2. you cant recalibrate exotics

for exotics you can reroll all the attributes to different qualities via reconfiguration at the crafting bench, but you cannot alter them via recalibration. you can optimize them though

[blazing timber]

you can optimise recalibrated attributes but you should never do that

[nocturne grove]

Is the cost higher to optimize a recalibrate attribute?

Currently, I extracted some attributes but aren't maxed. I was looking for an option to remove it but it's not there.
Is there a way to change the extracted attribute?

[thorn hedge]

you sure

[thorn hedge]

regardless it costs insanely much

[blazing timber]

yeah

but it blocks recalibration all together

[thorn hedge]

yeah i knew that

[nocturne grove]

What do you mean?

By the way, is there a way to remove an extracted attribute?

[rugged stratus]

Like from your library? No, but you can improve attributes that arent max in the library by extracting higher rolls from gear/weapons

[nocturne grove]

So you mean is that if my extracted item had 12% chance of crit.
Then I found another item which is 25%. That item will replace the existing one

[rugged stratus]

Yes

[plucky mesa]

Did a dog just die? Do you run directives?

[rugged stratus]

You'll see a green arrow on the different library categories if you have an item with a better or missing attribute/talent *that can be extracted

[frail wadi]

i'm doing the field research for gunner and I need to kill 20 bleeding hostiles

what is "bleeding" referring to and how can I do it?

[gilded jolt]

Bleed is a status effect, basically their health ticks down

Just kill enemies that have bleed on them

U can tell if enemies are bleeding if u see a little blood drop icon on them

[frail wadi]

so it's just random? okay

[gilded jolt]

Well u gotta apply the bleed effect on them lol

[frail wadi]

how..

[wispy merlin]

stinger hive is easiest

[frail wadi]

i'm assuming those explosive bullets count as a bleed?

okie I will try that thing

[gilded jolt]

Stinger hive. Explosive rounds

Explosive canisters next to enemies

Sadist talent

[frail wadi]

thanks all got it

[rugged stratus]

Ridgeways pride chest procs bleed.
Mortar turret

If you have an eclipse build you can do the bleed with above mentioned stinger hive and pair with fire sticky for quick kill

[tiny stump]

i did my bleeds with demolitionist spec and grenades so i got a two for one

[blazing timber]

i used regulus

[thorn hedge]

I used common sense

[subtle mist]

do perfect companion and normal companion stack?

[rugged stratus]

yes

[inner tendon]

Hunters Fury with its BP and Ridgeways for the Chest.
boom, 2 for 1.

[plucky mesa]

Sounds awful

OD all day

[inner tendon]

For the disorient+bleed GE challenges?

Novel approach.

[nocturne grove]

So previously I optimized a particular attribute and it's not maxed yet. After a game, I got an item which that attribute was maxed.

Sadly, I cannot recalibrate an attribute which is already optimized

[viscid root]

There's also a chest talent called Trauma that applies bleed with a body hit once every 30 seconds; that would make it really easy to finish that part of the research. And that's easier to get that Ridgeway's Pride.

[viscid root]

Right. That's why it's best to optimise only things where it's close enough to max that it doesn't cost you too much to just take them to max through optimisation. You almost certainly never want to be optimising an attribute that's less than about 3/4 max anyway.
And if you're library isn't full, you're early enough in the game that I wouldn't do optimisation at all except to learn how it works and on exotics. You'll be getting much better gear and a much better recalibration library over the next little while.

[frail wadi]

I eventually used that stinger hive, not in the most efficient way but at least I got the challenge complete 🥳

[rugged stratus]

nice 👍

[dense moon]

Can anybody clear up how to get the “ridgeways pride” now I think it’s been changed a few times. Is it just getting “parts” out of the boxes and then complete the summit or is it still on certain difficulty? Thanks in advanced.

[finite mountain]

Whats the new pardise lost thing?

im just looking to get the new smg

[nimble spruce]

Pretty sure it's not locked to difficulties like summit floors used to be: you just get one piece from the boxes in each 20 floor range

[nimble spruce]

Incursion (4-player raid) apparently, and the exotic drop isn't guaranteed, it's a chance on the first clear of the week, similar to current raid exotics

[narrow kraken]

what is the best talent for the police m4?

[viscid root]

"That depends."
Talents relate to the build, not just a particular weapon.

[narrow kraken]

I have striker build

I have another question, but my attribute is rate of fire should I change it to DMG to enimies out of cover instead? or something else

[viscid root]

So it would be a good exercise to go through the whole list of talents available for ARs and consider what each one would do for you if you used it in your build. (The whole list is in the spreadsheet in the pinned messages in the build channel.)

[viscid root]

Generally you want DTOC, but you can't change both the attribute and the talent, and usually changing the talent is more important. And in this case, you almost certainly don't want Measured on the M4, though I wouldn't say it's truly horrible. Just not as good as others.

[narrow kraken]

i crafted that gun

[nimble spruce]

Fast hands can be a decent option if you have enough crit, helps keep striker stacks up at the highest levels

[blazing timber]

fast hands amazing 💯

[narrow kraken]

i dont any other options

[rugged stratus]

strained

[narrow kraken]

what does that talent do?

Gain +10% critical hit damage for every 0.5 seconds you are firing. Stacks up to 5 times.

doesnt seem that good? OR IDK? I just want good weapon DMG or more rounds with my police m4

[worldly fjord]

what is the highest commendation score in div2?

my summit combat mastery is checked, not sure if its giving me the score or not

[nimble spruce]

swap foxes for ceska and get more crit then

strained won't help either if you're low on crit

[nimble spruce]

not sure what the highest score is but that particular one is bugged for everyone

[worldly fjord]

currently sitting at 7325 but not sure if its including the buggy one or not

[fallow inlet]

Hope Everyone's having a great day gaming

[rugged stratus]

Ok so you're running strikers/coyote. Its gonna be based off crit to have good damage.
Strained is one of the best damage talents.
So basically if you want damage you need to focus on crit in your build. It will not perform well without crit regardless of what talent you try and slap in there. 🤷‍♂️

You should really take a look at the pinned spreadsheet in #td2-build-advice .
Each build in there has a detailed explanation of what attributes and talents work well.

[rugged stratus]

Also 50% gain chd is pretty solid...think of why you are using coyotes that only gives you 10%-35% chd (mid-close).
Hopfully that gives a bit of perspective

[viscid root]

Well, it's not really a full 50% gain; it needs to ramp up over 2.5 seconds, so how close you get to 50% really depends on your weapon RPM. I tend to use Strained more often on rifles and pistols, where especially if I fire slightly more slowly at the start most of the mag is +50% CHD.
But still, on a middling-RPM SMG you should get a good half the mag at 50%, and the other half will average 25%. So not bad. But on SMGs I really like Fast Hands, better, because it feels very satisfying to be shooting again much quicker after your mag is empty. (And I suspect it provides more long-term DPS overall on faster-firing weapons, but hard to say without doing the math.)

[rugged stratus]

Ok.. thats kind of a given...
But strained is a solid damage talent regardless. I'm sure we can agree on that.

Considering the 6 red cores, optimist would be less damage than strained.
Fast hands would be great but obv crit is an issue.
Strained or fasthands best but op would need to focus on getting chc up...

It just gets a little old when someone who doesnt know wtf they are talking about argues against solid/well established advice.
Js

[pulsar latch]

Haven't been on D2 for over a year, was wondering does the summit floor rinse repeat for shd/season levels still work?

[rugged stratus]

Not anymore. F10 can still be used for FRD but the xp only comes with first clear.
Right now top xp is heroic with directives> propaganda, executions, control points.

[pulsar latch]

Appreciated! Nice to be back

[rugged stratus]

Welcome back agent

[spark crater]

Is there any talent/spec which does amplified damage/apply debuff/related to shocked targets

[plucky mesa]

Thunderstrike

[spark crater]

Is that exotic talent?

[cedar yacht]

No its a normal talent

released this season

[spark crater]

Ok and one more: does core attributes for st.elmo always same?

Everytime im getting lame ass health damage

Who tf uses health damage

[cedar yacht]

unlucky

wait health damage is fixed for all ar

[spark crater]

So i cant reroll it to change that core attribute right?

[cedar yacht]

Cant reroll the first 2

only the third

[spark crater]

Thanks man

[cedar yacht]

You're welcome.

[thorn hedge]

i found exactly vexix

[wispy merlin]

lol

[thorn hedge]

what is vexix

[lament zodiac]

Anyone know why countdown is not there for me ?

[rugged stratus]

Because the manhunt mission is there...

[thorn hedge]

we just cleared it

[lament zodiac]

I finished it already

[rugged stratus]

If wanting to start a cd goto the chopper

[lament zodiac]

this is such bullshit it didnt even let me choose allocated loot drop

[thorn hedge]

you can do that at the map

[rugged stratus]

Choose it in summit

[rugged stratus]

Yeah its greyed out in the SS. What is he trying to accomplish?
Can chopper start the match or just mm into CD

[thorn hedge]

cuz i wasnt lead in that ss

durr

[rugged stratus]

What can you not do then?

[thorn hedge]

wdym im fine

im grouped with him

[rugged stratus]

👆

I just dont get why any of this was posted?

[thorn hedge]

the icon isnt on the map:?

for countdown?

[rugged stratus]

Ok, why would that matter? You use chopper to start matches or mm to find random... is it just for selecting tl or something?

[lament zodiac]

maybe because im new to the game and maybe you have heard of this...when you have questions in life, you ask people that may know the answer, hope I helped a bit

[rugged stratus]

It's not a jab. I'm just trying to figure out what you were trying to do tbh. But it's probably sorted regardless 🍻

[lament zodiac]

welll that was blood awful

still thank you for the help @thorn hedge I think I get the gist now

[thorn hedge]

no worries just get a build together

[frail wadi]

can golden bullet be activated in the summit?

[wispy merlin]

yes

[frail wadi]

will i go back to the last checkpoint if i activate it rn?

[spark crater]

Wow golden bullet didn't activate in cd

[viscid root]

yes.

[spark crater]

No events in cd?

[viscid root]

Did you start it? It thought it works in CD; you probably joined someone who didn't have it turned on.

[spark crater]

Yep i was group leader. When cd started a big popup on the screen that it deactivated

[thorn hedge]

No global events or directives in countdown

[thorn hedge]

It never has worked

[spark crater]

moment

[thorn hedge]

?

Nobody wants to join a game of level 1s doing 5 directive heroic

[rugged stratus]

Imagine guardians in CD. 🤣

[lament zodiac]

is it true that if I reroll a gear item attribute into the same attribute but with a higher percentage that I brick my gear item that way ?

[rugged stratus]

Weapons kinda yes. 1st and 2nd attributes are locked and can just be optimized.
3rd attribute or talent will be the only thing that can change.
Gear it just matters what you need if you say roll a red core to higher damage red core, it can still be rolled blue or yellow later, but you lock in the other attributes/talent.

Ideally you want to farm correct attributes so weapons/chest/bag can have their talents rolled instead of attributes.
If you need to change a main core you want everything else correct rolls for build you are working on

[dapper vessel]

What talent to put on this roll
Ranger or wot

[rugged stratus]

Determined , no question. After first headshot *kill you'll get headshot on body shots and it reprocs itself off bodyshots allowing for chains of bodyshots. Pair with headhunter chest for big damage

[subtle mist]

where tf is the power source for the manning zoo entrance manhunt mission I have searched every square inch of this objective area and it's nowher

nvm, i fail as a gamer for not finding it sooner

[gilded jolt]

Did u check the lions den?

Lol

[thorn hedge]

Ranger

[jovial mica]

hey what im missing? im lv40 shd 120. my st. elmo only got 97k dmg. when i watch some build videos theres like 170k+. only thing i know atm is that i have to increase shd lvl and expertise. so even when im lv20 expertise its just 20% more. its still missing something

[rugged stratus]

the number will change depending on your loadout.

[jovial mica]

ye that make sense. so i got my build now. is it correct that i only can increase my my dmg and armor with shd and expertise? or do i miss something? my goal is trying to focus/rush to maxout those 2 things

[viscid root]

You can't max out both. Anything you to do increase one with decrease the other.

[true siren]

your armor will be lower/higher depending on your blue cores, and your weapon damage will be higher with red cores- both of which can be variable. up to 170k for armor, and 15% for weapon damage

[jovial mica]

ye what i mean is those extra % like shd or expertise. i choosed for red build

its just like i got my build. i went into heroic countdown and i got like 2 shot from hunter🥲

[rugged stratus]

youll look for talents that can synergize with your weapons and build in general. something that helps with survivability while also giving some damage is memento bag. its hard to advise without knowing your starting point... is there any way you can take a top level ss of your build. snipping tool on windows and paste direct to this channel or #td2-build-advice , both accept image attachments

[true siren]

if you are going for a damage build you will be 2 shot quite a lot, from hunters especially

the key is to not get shot

[jovial mica]

oh so i see. i thought i could be bit more tankier with that build. because i thought im 2 shot because of low shd and expertise

[true siren]

i mean a full armor build (minus shield) will be like.... 4 shot

[jovial mica]

and it seems like those 2k+ shd people do more dmg and still have a lot of armor. im running striker so dmg couldnt be that worse..

[true siren]

so just dont get shot lol

[rugged stratus]

thatll happen with hunters. the armor upgrades from expertise are pretty minimal as they scale from the items base armor, not the blue cores themself. i think a maxed out build is somewhere around 1 blue core, but costs north of 300 exo components

[jovial mica]

i already try to hide behind people in fight vs hunter but they still kinda want to focus me sometimes..xd

[true siren]

my point stands

[rugged stratus]

if you are doing good damage youll be focused a lot

[jovial mica]

well i have my striker stack up 75-100% with chestpiece and backpack. but i cant tell if im doing a lot vs some high shd people

i just feel weak vs those higher shd player

[viscid root]

170k armour! Not bad--for level 31! :-)

[rugged stratus]

what damage number are you seeing on your crits (orange dmg numbers)

[true siren]

are your substats in order? as close to 60% chc as you can get, and as much chd as you can fit in there?

[jovial mica]

in countdown heroic i did 1.2mil with full stack of striker

[rugged stratus]

thats pretty decent

[jovial mica]

its actually only content where i can reach that high amount of stack. every other content its hard to get those stacks

[viscid root]

Oh, that will make a difference only until you get to level 1000. The end result is always the same; the only thing you decide is the order in which you fill in those points. And yes, going for the red ones is generally the way people like to do it. Do your Critical Hit Chance first, I suggest.

[jovial mica]

so ig i need to find a way to make myself tankier or just be better in survive the fight

[true siren]

no lol

[rugged stratus]

a ceska obliterate chest can help when not reaching full stacks. oblit starts stacking as youre building your 100 stack for striker

[viscid root]

Lol. That's because you can't get 1-shot in this game. :-)

[gilded jolt]

Best way to survive is to kill the enemy faster

[true siren]

you might think i'm joking but my advice is real advice- just dont get shot. use cover, dodge rolls, cover to cover, all of those really help you get shot less

[rugged stratus]

its gonna be more situational awareness than anything else. you can utilize cover to cover moves when you are getting focused if you need to move, itll kinda make them have terrible accuracy against you

[gilded jolt]

Nono listen to my advice instead, just don't get shot, use cover and dodge roll, cover to cover

Tehe lol

[jovial mica]

yep im actual going for crit first so i can use more crit dmg mods on gear^^

[true siren]

nono listen to my advice, use cover and dodge roll, cover to cover, just don't get shot

Tehe lol

[wispy merlin]

nonono their advice is good but still missing a key Aspect. use cover and dodge roll, cover to cover, and just don't get shot

[jovial mica]

well im using cover. but when i aim and hunter is focussing me its rip..xd

[viscid root]

You're half correct. "Tankier," don't bother. Just survive better and put everything you have into dealing damage. (I say this because you appear to know enough about what you're doing and, from your description, play well enough that you can take this route.)

[rugged stratus]

what spec are you using, and what skills

[jovial mica]

im using gunner and using healing+gunner cc skill

gunner because of armor on kill and cc grenade

[rugged stratus]

you can utilize the gunner nade, theyll either take a foam hit or dodge and possibly roll out of cover

[viscid root]

In my experience, grenades are always good at making enemies move and rarely good at damaging them.

[rugged stratus]

riot foam chem also really good, but youll be getting jammed a lot so probably not the most useful

[jovial mica]

like you said and i already did im focus on crit chance in shd what should i take as next?

[rugged stratus]

survivalist fire nade are really awesome for connecting, but i agree foam nades are more dodged than anything. but they will be out of cover momentarily

[viscid root]

I feel, leave that to the Eclipse guys and have the damage dealers just do damage. Switching back and forth between chem launcher and a weapon really kills your damage output.

[rugged stratus]

i actually see a lot of ppl run a cc on their dps

[jovial mica]

im using st. elmo. so sometimes when shock is rdy they will get shocked. short before it runout i use grenade to extend the cc

[viscid root]

Either weapon damage or crit damage. Depends on how much crit stuff you do, I suppose. If you usually run with crit chance over 50%, crit damage on the watch will be better, otherwise weapon damage.

[rugged stratus]

and you said gunner pulse which is just as effective and faster than a chem

[jovial mica]

im using the coyote mask too

with that im at cap

[viscid root]

Well, at cap at what range?

[rugged stratus]

it would have to be mid

[jovial mica]

ye you can stay in cover and cc them through your current cover which is realy nice

[viscid root]

Coyote mask is kind of annoying because of the variability, which is why most people here say you should be running at 50%+ CHC even with Coyote mask.

[jovial mica]

im at 50% crit without mask. so at any range

[viscid root]

Nope, only over 15 m.

[jovial mica]

wait 1sec i go to read the mask again

[gilded jolt]

1

He lied to us <.<

[rugged stratus]

50% is reccomended, if at that youre fine

[jovial mica]

oh. i thought 0-15 and 25+ are both crit💀

but i think i keep that and just try to get more headshot dmg or crit dmg

[rugged stratus]

always crit with a striker build

[jovial mica]

idk if its same like td1. earlier when i played td1 i watched marcostyle videos and he said we shouldnt stack full on 1 stat like headshot critical dmg. its getting less value than spliting at some point

[rugged stratus]

as your watch increases put all those points into chc first and youll be to squeeze more chd into the mix

[jovial mica]

thats why i pick headshot dmg aswell instead stack too much into crit stuff

[rugged stratus]

yeah, in this sense something like obliterate will be another damage type source, total weapon damage

foxes prayer knee- damage to targets out of cover, contractors gloves-damage to armor

thats why you want dttooc on that elmo

[jovial mica]

oh when you mention dmg to out of cover.. is that bis for the last slot on the AR?

[rugged stratus]

yes

[jovial mica]

ok so i need to reroll mine

[rugged stratus]

you only have a couple sources for it

[jovial mica]

i currently have 6% vs armor

[rugged stratus]

dta isnt horrible tbh, but youll get more out of the dttooc. all targets can be out of cover, but only some will have armor

[jovial mica]

true. ye im gonna reroll it since theres more % to get anyway

[rugged stratus]

the damage to health rolls on ar are also another damage modifier. so like warhounds, chungas, and anything that doesnt have the dashed armor bar will take extra damage

[jovial mica]

hm its actually hurt me to rerol it. i send a ss from my st. elmo in build advice look at it

[rugged stratus]

the spreadsheet pinned in #td2-build-advice has a lot of this info, and a ton of builds to reference to kinda see how some of the stuff synergizes

[jovial mica]

im gonna check it out

[viscid root]

You should go one or the other. Splitting just means whichever one your build is using is getting less benefit from the watch. Generally, CHC is recommended because it's the most difficult one to buff.

[viscid root]

The confusing thing for me, when I was new, was that it's surprising how many things don't have armour affected by DtA. Chungas, dogs, anything with a shield above the health bar....

[viscid root]

Is that the case for all hits, or only after the armour plates are broken? I thought it was the latter.

[rugged stratus]

im not 100 if thats before plate destroyed or if youre hitting actual body after plate is destroyed. maybe @wispy merlin or @plucky hawk has a better answer

[viscid root]

Ah, actually, I hadn't heard either way, either. I now remember that it was headshot damage that doesn't apply to chungas until you kill the armour plate over his head.

[plucky hawk]

"armor plating" on dogs and chungas is counted as "health" targets

its dumb....

[rugged stratus]

nice, thank you 💯

[viscid root]

Well, maybe not? It does add a bit of interest to the game, where you can't just go for armour damage at the highest difficulty levels. (Though I guess DTOC kinda spoils it a bit.)

[thorn hedge]

i can understand why (from a coding perspective)

[timber lark]

Hi new player here. How does item sharing/trading work in td2? I understand that you can only do it while playing in a group and the dropped items are only shareable for a period of 1h. My question is: if I share an item with a friend, 1. does he get a duplicate if the item for the time period and expires after? 2. Do I give him the item? Meaning I lose it and he gets it? And whoever has the item when the shared time is over gets to keep it? Or is it completely different?

[nova granite]

You lose the item u share 2 ur friend
Its permanent to keep when shared time limit is over

In which date of October season 2 is droping?

[thorn hedge]

TBD

[nova granite]

tbd means to be declared?

[thorn hedge]

determined but same shit

[nova granite]

Hmm. Ok

[thorn hedge]

did you accidentally dm me lol

[nova granite]

ya

1 more thing. Where I can get +12% crit dmg mod faster?
CD or open world?

tbh I found more of those maxed mod in open world compared to CD

[thorn hedge]

whichever tbh

[nova granite]

I think it would be cool if they add a bike.

[sand nymph]

What’s the best way to get god rolled gear mods ?

[inner tendon]

Luck, mostly
Honestly, you don't really "need" maxed gear mods, 85% of the way is likely good enough most of the time.

10% CHD is more than enough on a red, etc.

[sand nymph]

Oh ok, guess I can not even sweat it. Thx

When does the manhunt end ?

[inner tendon]

You'll always have access to the final mission, but the overall Manhunt ends at the end of the Season.

which is some time in October as of right now, but subject to be extended. It won't be shorter.

[subtle mist]

so if I am not using flatline as a talent what is the general talen used for an ar for dps?

[inner tendon]

Strained/Fast Hands is probably the best overall 2, with the latter being more in the category of boosting overall DPS than specific per-shot.

[vivid tiger]

Are any Venders selling yaal gear rn?

[subtle mist]

dz east has a yhaal holster I believe

[vivid tiger]

I shoulda stocked up when clan vendor had it

[inner tendon]

It's incredibly rare yeah, well worth maxing out your crafting mats with it.

It was at the regular BoO vendor once too, but this was over 2 years ago by this point.

[fleet sphinx]

anyone on xbox wanna run Manning Legendary??

[frail wadi]

I got an item with like 70% maxed attributes and I changed the talent in the recalibration station. Should I now get these attributes to max?

[viscid root]

At only 70%, it's going to be a bit expensive to max them out. I'd probably just wait for an item with better stats.

[frail wadi]

I might try for 1 god roll, recalibrate the talent and max out the 2nd attribute? because chances of an item dropping with god rolls and your desired talent are pretty low? Idk how people are doing this

[plucky mesa]

Keep it and see if you get an upgrade in the future. Optimisation is expensive so unless you have the mats and are 100% happy with the gear then I wouldn't spend them

[frail wadi]

you are right

[rugged stratus]

what item

[frail wadi]

just an empress backpack

also, what is the 3rd thing? i'm guessing the first one is mask materials

[viscid root]

Yes, generally you recalibrate the attribute talent, and wait for good rolls on the other stuff.

[rugged stratus]

That will be really easy to farm one with better rolls.
You optimize unicorns generally

Like a yellow attribute sacrifice chest

[viscid root]

The first one is mask weave; it's a special optimisation material in the third section of your resources tab. It's a lot more rare than carbon fiber or anything like that, but there is a blueprint to construct it (which you may not have yet if you don't have all the blueprints that drop from CPs.)

The third is Hyenas Tactical Assessment. Pretty much the same kind of thing, and there's also a blueprint available.

So yeah, before you do much optimisation you really want to play enough on Heroic and get enough drops that you get a sense of how likely what you need is going to drop.

[frail wadi]

thanks a lot :D yeah I haven't got into blueprints yet unfortunately

yep i am trying to do as much heroic as possible, challenging has been easier lately for me

[viscid root]

Challenging is easier for everybody. :-P It also may be a faster grind if you use more directives on Challenging. (Challenging -> Heroic gives about 30% XP buff; two directives gives 50% XP buff.)
Also, the blueprints drop from CPs on Challenging, so maybe start soloing a lot of those and leave the Heroic for groups where you can get carried a bit.

[frail wadi]

are the blueprints rng drops?

for directives, I am only using 1, and that is Ragers

[nimble spruce]

the CP blueprint pool is quite large but each time you complete one you get a guaranteed blueprint that you haven't already got, it's randomly selected but you will get them all eventually

[frail wadi]

ohhh pheww

[plucky mesa]

Ideally you want the talent to be the thing that you recalibrate. It gives you options for future talents to be swapped in.

@frail wadi

[narrow kraken]

ceska chest plate?

[nimble spruce]

ideally or just the kneepads on your current build

[viscid root]

That was a really bad typo on my part; thanks for pointing it out.

[narrow kraken]

i dont want to lose this kneepad their good

my chestplate

[nimble spruce]

you're laboring under the impression that foxes are always 'best in slot', but that only actually applies in high-end builds where you already have enough sources of crit chance that you can roll crit damage everywhere. In a gearset build, that's not the case.

[viscid root]

How about if he had crit chance on Fox's? (Obviously he's going to have to get a new one to do that.)

[nimble spruce]

the lack of a useful brandset bonus like ceska or grupo would still equate to lower damage overall

[viscid root]

Even with the DTOC? I'm thinking that 8% DTOC is worth more than 15% Cdmg in a build with enough weapon and crit damage.

[narrow kraken]

what do u mean that stats the kneepads help me out???

[nimble spruce]

the brandset gives you a bonus to rifle damage, which is useless in your build

[plucky mesa]

1 ceska give 16% crit chance, its hard to give up and its a downgrade from running fox's

it allows more rolls for chd

[narrow kraken]

alright but i never been able to get ceska gear with target loot on

because i dont want to play countdown

[plucky mesa]

keep trying bro. its something to look out for

dont grind too much, just keep an eye out for that drop

Don't feel like you NEED it NOW

Just play, and if it drops, awesome

[narrow kraken]

alright i keep looking but i cant decide what is the best talent for police m4??

fast hands seem good but i dont have enough crit chance

or can u ever have enough?

[nimble spruce]

max crit chance is 60%, so yes you can easily have enough

[viscid root]

Even if you're not always getting the full 40 stacks from Fast Hands, it's still good. Just make sure you have the +20 round mag on your weapon.

[narrow kraken]

okay but is that the best talent for the police m4?

[tame basin]

strained, flatline, optimist, fast hand is good depending on what you prefer.

[narrow kraken]

i have 2 weapons 1 kills enmies really fast and its the vector compared to the m4

is it because it has dmg to armor? and the m4 doesnt

with the vector it takes no effort

it feels like its like shooting at tranning dummies

i play on heroic

[nimble spruce]

vector is limited to very close range and constant reloading, but it will build striker stacks more quickly and kill more quickly. Police M4 lets you shoot from longer ranges

[narrow kraken]

I know but the m4 sucks compared to the m4 even at close range for me

[viscid root]

You mean the M4 sucks compared to the Vector at close range? Of course: the Vector is a better close range weapon.

[narrow kraken]

I am not sure i just feel like m4 is shit

[viscid root]

So switch to a different weapon.

[rugged stratus]

All the weapons are gonna be shit when the build is flawed.
Get the build right with the suggestions above then you'll be able to accurately assess a weapons quality.
Striker 4p , ceska oblit chest , coyote mask is a winning combo and allows you to squeeze the most crit.
Fox's at this point does increase the damage to out of cover npc, but if most of those shots are non crits then it's not really helping the damage.
Chc needs to be right before even considering something like fox's/ contractors

[nocturne grove]

Past few weeks, I was working in improving my striker build using St Elmo.
Any suggestions on what I can improve to strengthen further.

[nimble spruce]

the meta for striker is listed in the post above yours

[nocturne grove]

Alright

[thorn hedge]

Why couldn't you have shown your whole build rather than each item

[nocturne grove]

Here is the picture of the whole build.
Earlier, I wanted to show the attribute stats of each item.

[blazing timber]

remove memento and use striker bag

[thorn hedge]

yeah run striker backpack and knees, ceska chest with obliterate, and coyotes mask

[blazing timber]

or if you are gonna keep memento use 1pcs ceska

[nocturne grove]

So I will try getting the coyote mask. I can set target loot to mask in getting the mask.
Also, I read somewhere that Jefferson trade plaza is another place where the mask can be dropped.

I usually play in challenging difficulty so I can play the mission back and forth hoping to get one

[plucky mesa]

be warned - there's two missions that are very closely named, Jefferson Trade Centre, and Jefferson Plaza - make sure you're doing the right one

Coytoe herself should be the boss at the end

I'm 99% sure its Jefferson Trade Centre you should be farming for Coyotes Mask

[nocturne grove]

Yes. It is trade center

[nocturne grove]

Will do that

[narrow kraken]

items i buy at the venddor

can i extract the talent and cores from those?

at the recallibration library

[viscid root]

Yes.

[narrow kraken]

seems OP

[viscid root]

Nope. You almost never get great rolls on items from the vendors.

And anyway, whether you do that or not, it's not all that long until you have all the attributes at 100% and all the talents, so building that up is not really part of the endgame.

[narrow kraken]

u get gear that has a 3rd empty space though

[viscid root]

Hm? You mean the mod slot? All masks, packs and chest pieces have that.

[viscid root]

"Coytoe." No wonder she's so angry all the time. People don't even bother to get her name right. :-P

[plucky mesa]

That could have been a LOT worse 😂

[narrow kraken]

yes thats what i meant i was just confused i thought it meant another roll

but it was a MOD slot

[amber estuary]

Whats the best way to farm Mats?