ask-td2-community

[foggy needle]

THIS i can answer!! hahaha

PVE only legendary enemies have cc resistance, and its 60 or 66% (forget exact one but 1 of these 2). So it reduces total status effect length by that amount (not damage though).

[shrewd frost]

so burn resistance on pve enemies does not actually reduce burn damage?

[foggy needle]

but yea flamer heavies and robots immune to it but other heavies have no resist, unless they are on legendary.

[viscid dagger]

This is why you wanna run the firewall spec sidearm
To shoot dogs and make them able to be burned

[foggy needle]

the legendary cc resistance only reduces status effect duration, has no direct impact on the damage, but shorter burn = lower damage overall.

[viscid dagger]

Oh nvm someone mentioned the firewall sidearm already

[rugged stratus]

not to derail anything but on a side note. that new m700 custom skin has a couple uses i guess 😅

[tiny stump]

i like it on there

[rugged stratus]

its not bad tbh

[tiny stump]

my dude is wearing black white and red

seen this one?

[viscid dagger]

Speaking of skins
Since the lefty and the stage left got new base skins
Any custom skins you try to apply on them don't work

[viscid dagger]

Reminds of the gems vector skin but blue and on a c7

[tiny stump]

yeah kinda

with the right magazine it makes the mag match but its like a stability mag or something

[viscid dagger]

That's what irks me about the mods
Some matches others don't at all

(cough tkb cough)

[tiny stump]

yeah sux

this one i like

i have the right mag in that pic

[viscid dagger]

Oh my goodness gracious

[tiny stump]

and theres a golden dove on it for some reason

[shrewd frost]

activate perpetuation on the spread only does not seems to increase the spreaded burn damage

but it does deactivate it

[tiny stump]

deactivates it? what because you're reproc'ing the talent and now it doesnt work bc you have to hit the headshot before the burn (or whatever)

[civic island]

is the ravenous still viable at all?

[shrewd frost]

I shot down all other target except one in the firing range's aoe track, so at most 4 targets are present at once, shoot burn sticky to the one left but not detonate, then activate perpetuation, wait for the spread and observe the spreaded burn damage

[tiny stump]

ohhh

i gotta find my everlasting gaze

[foggy needle]

Also, double check it is not a shooting range bug

[shrewd frost]

is there any shooting range discrepancy to the actual gameplay I should take notice of?

also, what are some somewhat controlled environment for testing purpose?

[tiny stump]

a regular patrol maybe. thats not near any activites. they dont show up on the map though so you'd have to run around a bit

[shrewd frost]

recreating it sounds like a huge pain

there probably are missions with checkpoint that respawn enemies with a somewhat low-ish enemy density, but I don't know the game enough to know one

[tiny stump]

oh viewpoint museum

the 4 enemies at the very start

and its easy to restart over and over

[foggy needle]

yes, just off the top of my head, dodge city is bugged there, some talents are buged there (forget which ones), the dps meter can be grossly off (by about 20% iirc), and sticky bomb, sometimes wont proc on main target

[viscid dagger]

Tech laser sometimes just won't pulse eitheir on the range

[foggy needle]

for testing dps, you can get the bullet damage on a target, then input that into a spreadsheet to find your dps, that works. just double check your talents you want to test have procced

[tiny stump]

yeah on the first target you go for especially

[shrewd frost]

I opted to anderson manhunt and use the first four enemies

[tiny stump]

that works

[shrewd frost]

one thing to make sure, the only way for perpetuation to go into the cooldown is to apply a status effect right?

if that's the case, perpetuation does not work for boosting damage on the eclipse spread, but it does put perpetuation on cooldown

on the eclipse spread, as in apply effect, activate perpetuation, then wait for spread

activate perpetuation, apply effect, eclipse spread does make the spread effect inherit perpetuation, at least the damage part of it

[tiny stump]

nice

[foggy needle]

^^ @rugged stratus you got some esplaining to do lol

[shrewd frost]

also, applying minus burn resistance to pve enemies does make burn last comparatively longer

and it get inherited by eclipse spread even if the target get spreaded to does not have the minus burn resist

funny you could double dip the duration by applying minus burn resistance to the eclipse spread target before the spread hit

wonder if it's a net positive duration gain

[full latch]

How long would it take to get 30.800.000 season xp with public execution?

[tough marsh]

Seeing that on Heroic with 5 directives it gives around 485k xp, it's around 63 public executions

And each public execution can take up to 3 mins to do them, so at the very least, 3 hours of continuous public executions

[full latch]

I'm playing on hard with 2 directives tho

[rugged stratus]

Yeah it supposed to boost it a bit. Thing to remember is eclipse drops the strength and duration each time a death spreads. So perpetuation is supposed to boost it but from a lower starting damage and duration. I havent looked at actual numbers but I see perpetuation spent on deathspreads.

[full latch]

I suck with my gear

[rugged stratus]

Was in game 👍

When I'm using perpetuation it's pretty chaotic with a ton of status and burn/foam/scorpio all triggering vile randomly (1 random status per npc ticks from vile) literally Vegas mode.

[shrewd frost]

iirc there can only be 4 damage number on screen at a time

weirdly low object pool amount

[rugged stratus]

There are tons, it stacks in groups sure but they passing quick

I'm not usually in range, just open world or summit using so focus is ccing

[shrewd frost]

there are at least 6 burning enemy, but still 4 damage number

[rugged stratus]

Change it to floating. You can also turn on numbers in in chat window. Arrow right > combat >damage

[shrewd frost]

not sure if it's tied to some settings

[rugged stratus]

There are a few damage number setting one has then all over target, 1 has then neatly stacked

If you're doing testing you want to use the text readout as it captures everything.

[shrewd frost]

yes, text indeed captures more than the on screen damage number

is there a way to route it to some files?

[rugged stratus]

I dont think so. But you could probably use obs and record the readout as it happens

Obs is free

[shrewd frost]

it does not fare too well against repeating numbers, and the timestamp does not provide enough precision

and again, no automation

[rugged stratus]

I'm not sure then. Recording is the only way I would think you can do what your asking. If there is a text file created I'm definitely not the one to find it 😅

[full latch]

Best way of getting xp?

[shrewd frost]

also, is the text readout faithful to the sequence of damage?

[rugged stratus]

But if it's working the death spread will drop by 25% naturally with the chest and then perpetuation should bring it back 40-50% depending on perfect so 15-25% increase in damage

It should be.

[shrewd frost]

that's good to know

both floating and 2d render damage number in screenspace, which lost any damage number to target revelation

with the additional problem of if you do damage too fast or too slow on one target for extended period of time, you simplely lose the ability to see damage number

[rugged stratus]

Did you turn text numbers on in the chat window

[shrewd frost]

yes, but with large amount of damage instances it become less and less useful

[rugged stratus]

Yeah I hear that

[thorn hedge]

Best bet is to analyze a video

[dire silo]

I figured it out you have to run around the castle and fix stuff. Weird

[rugged stratus]

But just applying 1 status then perpetuation after applied it should see the break on spread

Numbers will drop if nothing happens on spread or rise if it appies

[dire silo]

after you fix the stuff you can start doing season goals

[shrewd frost]

I don't see any drop in number

it's the same number pre spread and post spread

[rugged stratus]

Then its working , but not to the degree I thought. It should drop on spread

No chest is 50% drop I think and with is 25% drop

[shrewd frost]

without perpetuation is still the same number

[thorn hedge]

Isn't perpetuation just duration not damage local

[rugged stratus]

Perpetuation is supposed to be both

[shrewd frost]

at least the description states both

[thorn hedge]

Always thought it was just duration

[shrewd frost]

the damage per tick does not drop between spreads, seems to be duration only

[rugged stratus]

But there is no damage drop without anything. Because ep death spreads are supposed to be lower in strength and duration

[thorn hedge]

Not strength

[thorn hedge]

It's just duration (just checked)

"Indirect Transmission:

On kill:

Spread status effects of that enemy to all enemies within 10m
Refresh 50% of status effect durations"

[rugged stratus]

Yeah that's right opon looking it up.

Maybe that's why I though perpetuation. Was applying. It does spend it. But I'm not one to fight if I'm in a wrong position. Data wins regardless

[fading root]

When does the current season end?

[thorn hedge]

In like 8 weeks or something

[fading root]

Ty

[thorn hedge]

I'm basing that entirely off of how many comms there are for descent xD

[rugged stratus]

Ig I'm gonna have to just run harmony to boost skill damage in everlasting place

[thorn hedge]

Cap Imo

[tacit valley]

Or Anything has In a Sync

[shrewd frost]

you could almost negate the duration drop off by using the minus burn resistance sidearm

[rugged stratus]

Nah scorpio already. I like the 1taps of harmony

[thorn hedge]

Wdym 1-taps

[thorn hedge]

Thats a sawed off xD

You ain't gonna do anything with that

[rugged stratus]

Harmony only needs a shot to trigger in sinc

[shrewd frost]

the game say so

so anyhow

[rain echo]

is this pistol any good ive been using it?

[rugged stratus]

It's weird that creeping trigger and it's an apply status but perp doesnt . Spaghetti cod ftw 😅

[shrewd frost]

does creeping trigger on eclipse spread?

[rugged stratus]

Yeah but it's only for cc builds not fire

[shrewd frost]

I mean, what does the area looks like

does each and every valid eclipse spread target proc creeping, or only one of them?

[rain echo]

time to suffer xD

[rugged stratus]

I think only 1, whatever registers first in the codes I imagine

[shrewd frost]

wonder what's their iteration order

[thorn hedge]

Local wanna do a 5d iron horse sometime

[rugged stratus]

Jesus lol, I havent ever done iron horse

You can carry me tho

[rain echo]

Eevee gonna carry

[shrewd frost]

what experience I can expect from a raid?

[thorn hedge]

thats a hard question to answer lol

[shrewd frost]

what the raid is about in term of gameplay then

[thorn hedge]

8-player hellhole

basically countdown but organized

[hallow raptor]

Depending on the group @shrewd frost

[thorn hedge]

its either a hellhole or a carry

theres literally no in between

[full latch]

Uh ok

[solemn sandal]

Just a question You farm weapon attachments on control points right the magazines scopes etc…

[thorn hedge]

yes

only cp3s and 4s iirc

[solemn sandal]

aight thanks a lot!

[full latch]

What's the best way to get good gear?

[viscid dagger]

Who gives a shit about the time of the raid
Peoples really starting arguments over a raid time

[bright agate]

Hi! If i got Elmo's Engine after reaching lvl 90 in the season pass, can it drop for me in the open world (or in the countdown/summit?)

[thorn hedge]

yes

[viscid dagger]

Don't think that's smth to be proud of

[bright agate]

Thanks! I must've been pretty unlucky, got 6 exotic AR's in the countdown, all of them were chameleons, no elmo 😦

[thorn hedge]

considering you didnt even get a capacitor then yeah thats just luck lol

[hallow raptor]

Standard

[full latch]

Is the lvl 48 manhunt broken because I haven't been able to do it

[thorn hedge]

which one is that

stovepipe? that should be coney island ballpark

[full latch]

Stovepipe

It doesn't show the manhunt thing

[thorn hedge]

did you change mission mode

[full latch]

Only for anderson

No

[thorn hedge]

you need to

change mission mode like you would between regular and invaded

[full latch]

Okay

Also is Public execution the best way of getting xp on hard?

[thorn hedge]

i wouldnt suggest looking for xp on hard

[rugged stratus]

Yeah I agree, challenging minimum

[full latch]

Should I go on challenging then?

[past spoke]

Yes

Most decent builds will steamroll challenging with minimal effort

[full latch]

Alright

[rugged stratus]

You'll unlock blueprints on challenging control points as well.

[full latch]

The problem is I just get melted when I play on challenging 😅

[hallow raptor]

And propaganda broadcasts. They are only a little less xp.

[rustic lichen]

Look up some builds online, farm for those, then try again, you'll be amazed at the difference.

[full latch]

Alright

[thorn hedge]

yeah i wouldnt start lookin for xp before you have a build

[full latch]

Alright will do

Thanks for the help

[civic island]

try heartbreaker, striker/hunter's fury with ninjabike backpack. anything with memento really if u have one

would only recommend 3 piece striker 2 piece hunter fury ninjabike backpack for easier difficulties

[rugged stratus]

Ninja bike is terrible advice

[civic island]

? that is actually one of the best builds to run through easier difficulty with

[rugged stratus]

I'm sorry

[viscid dagger]

Hunters fury does well in heroic solo even
And strikers does even better what are you on about

[civic island]

strikers + hunter fury with ninjabike backpack in heroic?

[viscid dagger]

I don't use NB

[civic island]

no shit. my point is to use that on easier difficulties ONLY

[reef lily]

boys, is there any specific place to farm the todo gearset? i'm missing the mask and chest

[trail meteor]

i played exclusively hunters fury memento on heroic, its not just for easier difficulty lmao

[civic island]

hes asking about builds to run through easy difficulties efficiently

[past spoke]

Bruh

[rugged stratus]

Ninja drops damage. And op is talking about being melted on challenging. Memento is ok 100. Ninja is just crimping build

[civic island]

i think you guys have issues reading

[trail meteor]

nah just you

[viscid dagger]

I would run memento over NB any day of the week

[past spoke]

You really do not need to theory craft builds for hard and challenging

[rugged stratus]

Yeah memento is solid. Strikers top damage with be with striker bag tho

[civic island]

exactly you dont. anything works

but hes asking for a build specifically for easy difficulty

you can run dumb shit in challenging and get rewarded for it

[reef lily]

any ideas?

[rugged stratus]

You dont. Its bugged gear

[reef lily]

so just chance?

[rugged stratus]

And random drop

Yeah

[reef lily]

alright, lincoln it is

[civic island]

me omw to farm challenging after i put this meme build together to show how stupid this chat is

oh look i never dropped below 80% armor!

[fading root]

Is it common to encounter rouge agents during missions?

[rustic lichen]

I wouldn't do strikers on easy difficulties, enemies just don't have the health to build up stacks.

[civic island]

clips uploading of farming a public exec with 4 directives in less than a minute

never drop below 80% armor

but in reality u can put a blindfold on while putting together a build for challenging

[strange folio]

i dont have the weekly legendary mission project and i dont think ive ever had it, is there something i need to do to unlock it?

[shrewd frost]

is striker stacks still multiplicative from each other?

[civic island]

fair point. by the time ur finishing up the objective, ur striker stacks are just about full

in this case i personally do it for the rate of fire boost. dont really need super high stacks to clear adds in challenging tbh so u can get away with not maintaining max

so static damage would probably be more ideal

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"that build is terrible advice" 🤓

[rugged stratus]

🤣 glad you feel some kind of way now 👍

[civic island]

hey man hmu when ur in the dz i love giving out carry services

[rain echo]

@viscid dagger @thorn hedge

[viscid dagger]

How bored are you?

"Yes"

[thorn hedge]

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I GOT ONE

[rain echo]

got what?

[viscid dagger]

Now what you get

[rain echo]

uk whats better then 1 white gear 4 of us running white gear xD

[thorn hedge]

im scared to check xD

the exo was mantis

lets see im so nervous xD

[viscid dagger]

Lemme guess
Matador, the gift blueprint
Idk what you don't have so

[thorn hedge]

any of it

surge

bruh xD

[viscid dagger]

Lol

[thorn hedge]

i dont think i even got a bp

[viscid dagger]

Check ur crafting bench

[thorn hedge]

i didnt

[viscid dagger]

How's that possible
How many blueprints you missing

[thorn hedge]

like 20

381/414

[viscid dagger]

How in the hell did it not give you one
Is there no new notification at the crafting bench

[thorn hedge]

there was a notif under the shotgun tab but nothing there

wauit

hold on i think im dumb give me a moment

has the mop always had a bp

cuz i see literally nothing else that it could be

[slim owl]

what's the chance for the bighorn to drop from summit?

[loud saddle]

Pretty sure mop is a new bp

[thorn hedge]

then it had to have been that

[rain echo]

can only drop from named enemies and on legndary difficulty

[thorn hedge]

weird since ive opened 2 recon caches

wait i found what i unlocked from the other xD

this was defo not there

[rain echo]

your unning a backfire build evee?

[thorn hedge]

its a weird support hazpro buils

[viscid dagger]

OK I went to check my shotgun blueprints right
And I found a weird thing

[thorn hedge]

two six12?

[thorn hedge]

me too lol

[viscid dagger]

Yea
Never noticed it

[thorn hedge]

cuz of the bugged lefty

remember

[thorn hedge]

look at what i sent above and itll be weird lol

[rain echo]

me as well

[thorn hedge]

^

[loud saddle]

There's a few duplicate blue prints, sorta. Like the police magnum, that is supposed to be prophet.

[thorn hedge]

yeah

magnum is dif tho cuz its magnum and magnum rep

[viscid dagger]

The police magnum duplicate stuff caused the most problems

[thorn hedge]

anyways time for another nem run

[loud saddle]

Yeah, true, not identical on the magnum

[lapis ibex]

Is the broken wings update still actually broken or something?

Nvm

[fading root]

How many high end named weapons are in td2

[rain echo]

this you eevee?

[thorn hedge]

y e

[rain echo]

alr i sent a request

cheese

[rain echo]

well we did a normal bounty all white it seems turet and drones are the way to go

[kindred marten]

Just started playing and I have a weekly decent challenge anyone know how I start the descent area

[thorn hedge]

theres one right of the white house and one in castle

[kindred marten]

The classified assignment?

Oh nvm I see it thanks

[modern sparrow]

my games doing the annoying bug where it stacks the notification popup bars in the top of the screen. is there a way to force it or do i need to re-log in or restart the game

[rain echo]

id restart the game to be safe

[digital chasm]

Do core attributes lv up?

Like gradually the more you play?

[narrow kraken]

Nope

[glass portal]

Na, you have to level it up by optimization

[sudden matrix]

Bro go into your settings and go to gameplay and scroll down until you see an option called group skills on frame and turn that on please.

[wary spoke]

Is Perfect Companion bugged, or just when combod with Companion?

[sudden matrix]

Yes, it activates multiple times.

[wary spoke]

😂 UBI please fix Unbreakable

[wary spoke]

Is there a hidden cool down for Perfect Galvanize?

[wispy merlin]

yes, it cannot be refreshed

so you can only proc it once while it's active, which means its cooldown is its duration

[wary spoke]

Thanks!

[devout sinew]

let's see, it isn't a bad gearset but you might find yourself not helping that much on legendaries

of course 20%-35% buff benefits you and your allies pretty much but it interferes with other powerful status-effect rounds like shock rounds and incendiary rounds too

so I do use it on heroics sometimes but never on legendary

[jaunty dust]

OD is great, though you should be doing full DPS with it

6red cores or go home

i hardly use any weapons except scorpio on it

[devout sinew]

agree

scorpio is just too good

[jaunty dust]

too much trouble getting status effect

unless i just keep shooting with scorpio

full magazine

[devout sinew]

full mag

[jaunty dust]

OD is very powerful

though it doesn't appear to the OD user

my team does way more damage and stagger enemies way more

[devout sinew]

if your ally is equipped with shotguns, it'll be like 6 rounds but with LMGs, it'll be 100+

ah full mag on yourself but half on allies

iirc

lemme go check it, I might be wrong

[jaunty dust]

OD sounds liek a support gearset, but its really a DPS gearset, just not the best DPS

[devout sinew]

yep, full mag on yourself and half on allies

exactly

half of their guns

[viscid dagger]

Everyone I think

[devout sinew]

I think it does, just like you can grant bonus armor on all of your allies on raids w/ vanguard

including yourself somehow

[jaunty dust]

it does

[devout sinew]

yep

[jaunty dust]

but just take scorpio and just forget about proccing

foam grenades, shock traps, scorpio

[devout sinew]

blind, burn

[jaunty dust]

trauma

manyways

[rain echo]

most people use foam

[jaunty dust]

or you could brute force with st elmo

[rain echo]

riot foam is ur best bet

[devout sinew]

unless they have that whatever the counter measure with immune to the status effects

[rain echo]

thats when you all gang up

[devout sinew]

actually, tossing a grenade works when they have immunity

They know they can tank that water balloon but they can't help dodging it somehow

[rain echo]

for the encounters in alot of groups like 6 of us go to 1 encounter meanwhile me and another person 2 man an ecnounter it saves time divide and conqueor

or 4 n 4

[devout sinew]

I haven't seen anyone trying to split teams on CD these days except they're speed running

[rain echo]

i do it from time to time

its a fun challenege

[devout sinew]

isn't it ineffective when you're looking for specific brand/gear pieces like the new ones?

it makes sense if you're doing it for fun

[rain echo]

it is

[narrow kraken]

Yup you can use riot foam , jammer , banshee to get the bullets at start if you don't run Scorpio but st elmos like me lol

[novel bone]

How does one unlock an Exotic weapon or armor that was previously missed from a season (i.e. Sacrum Imperium, St. Elmo's, etc). Is it just getting lucky? I don't mind grinding Summit/Countdown, I just want to know so I don't accidentally waste time.

I don't care if they're inherently good or bad, I just want them for collection.

[narrow kraken]

St Elmo is this season

Sacrum should be in targeted loot and exotic caches

[novel bone]

Alright thanks. And I did figure out St. Elmo was in the season rewards this time around - I dunno if I'm not going to have the time to complete it, so the least I can do is ask around so I can prepare for when (or if) I miss the opportunity.

[narrow kraken]

Season started not too long ago
You are good

[viscid dagger]

Season is still like 11 weeks long you should be fine

[narrow kraken]

still 11 weeks on the season, I personally finished 30 season levels in 3 days with on/off playing

[novel bone]

Guessing the same rule would also apply to Ninja Backpack?

[mellow jungle]

Anyone know what I can do to get ninjabike bag?

[narrow kraken]

It drops from exotic cache
I am unsure if it was confirmed to drop from targeted loot

I'm wondering though if anyone knows if I can skip around grinding to season level 90 and farming it in assault rifle loot areas.

[narrow kraken]

I think I saw one today drop in DZ Airdrop

[novel bone]

Gotcha thanks again

[mellow jungle]

Gotcha Ty will def look for it there then

[narrow kraken]

I didnt manage to get close to the airdrop but it did specifically say the drop had it, im not sure how

[narrow kraken]

Exotic cache
People do claim it drops from targeted loot
So you could try countdown farming with backpack
You can also buy exotic caches from countdown vender

[rugged stratus]

it doesnt drop from target loot, but it will drop randomly anywhere, very rare drop. exo cache is most reliable way

[glass portal]

Combined efforts still are quite fast runs tbh

And nobody wants to miss out on a piece of loot

[rain echo]

SUFFERING

[glass portal]

How did you lose that much armor 😭

[rain echo]

wheres a good place to farm steel

[rain echo]

cause iits heroic with 5 directives and im all red so im squishy

[verbal topaz]

First mistake is ur not using chameleon

[sudden matrix]

YAY skills on group frame. This really should be on by default.

[rugged stratus]

Solar farm, watch points

Or cd select weapon type and break everything

[cunning thistle]

is it me or is fragile armor broken...

I'm using kits and it's not removing it lol

[nimble spruce]

Yeah it's been bugged for years. Getting downed and revived will fix it, or visiting a safe house

[cunning thistle]

damn...

[rain echo]

i hate rng ive recaled over 20 st elmos no dttooc

[tiny stump]

holy crap

i heard someone say they tried 12 times and got it. but more than 20? that sucks

[rain echo]

i might jsut do a wony run to get alot of steel make a 2nd character boost to 30 and do wony

[tiny stump]

good idea

[rain echo]

im only lacking in the steel department

[rugged stratus]

Should make all the alts and put them through wony

Then just harvest weekly till you're a high shd

[hollow yacht]

How do I get the matador backpack?

[rugged stratus]

Dz exclusive item. Farm dz or it can drop from named caches

[hollow yacht]

Damn bro, I always get smoked in the dz. I figured I would make a pve build to grind it out and get loot for a PvP build, so that I could at least compete

My luck getting PvP gear is garb bro

[rugged stratus]

Farm countdown for other stuff you need and buy named caches.

[wispy merlin]

hm

[glass portal]

Even I don't get to 4 armor broken with all red

[glass portal]

Scheisse-

It's DZ only? Crap-

Welp, guess I gotta grind Countdown more

[hollow yacht]

Carry me in dz🤣

[glass portal]

No can do, I have a striker build, that won't do well in DZ sir

[hollow yacht]

Strikers sucks for PvP?

[glass portal]

Not nessecary, it's great when you just stopped fighting NPCs and have max stacks, but when you don't have those stacks... Well...

You prolly will die 💀

[hollow yacht]

I’m lost trying to make a build

[glass portal]

I have the perfect guide for you, that someone else gave me

[hollow yacht]

Tell me. Please. Pretty fucken please

[glass portal]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-faObg6CJgNFJ8G1VEqsqTI7SpZKgBSWDgJhEpb6Q_g/edit

Am going for the first build in the doc, as the guy said it's what he uses (when unbreakable isn't broken)

[glass portal]

And yes, no gearsets are actually used

5 different gear brands lol

[hollow yacht]

@glass portal Thanks for the info. Imma grind out countdown right now. Hopefully I get good rolls

You gave me hope

[glass portal]

See if ya can handle heroic

[hollow yacht]

I’m thinking about using Sokolov Concern

[glass portal]

Prolly won't make much of a diff from challenging, but it's a sight improvement

(in terms of rolls)

[hollow yacht]

Yeah, I’ve been playing on heroic.

[glass portal]

Damn what's ur build and SHD

[hollow yacht]

50–….

50,000 shd

🤣 Jk

[glass portal]

😭

SHD 50? And people don't kick you? Damn

[hollow yacht]

124 shd, and I’m using this shocker build from YouTube. I got it from nothing but skillz

[dim crag]

Ehhhhh, immidiate red flag

May we see the build

[hollow yacht]

But the build is nowhere near complete

[glass portal]

Some of his stuff aint bad, imo

[hollow yacht]

No, you may not

[glass portal]

I think he's trustworthy enough for a Div 2 YouTuber.

[hollow yacht]

I’ll send you the link though

[cedar yacht]

Bruh

[glass portal]

If ur only 124 I should start doing heroic as well then lmfao

[hollow yacht]

I have to abandon the build because I don’t have the chill out mask and the matador backpack

https://youtu.be/VIkYT6Bmocg

That’s the build

[glass portal]

Ngl I always think that you shouldn't focus on any wacky builds

[cedar yacht]

Bruh you're trying to use that build?

You're better off just using striker at that point

[hollow yacht]

I already tried

[glass portal]

Go for a Red DPS build (such as Striker CHC/CHD) for your first build, then do a PvP build, such as what I shown

[dim crag]

That build is actually shit

[cedar yacht]

Its just a pfe build with extra steps

[hollow yacht]

Look… this build gets me by

[dim crag]

You could get by way better

[glass portal]

A striker would help you way more..

And it's fairly easy to grind.

Just go to CD and grind striker gear for CHC or CHD

[somber nymph]

It may get you by for now, but eventually you’re going to need something better. Especially if you play countdown, but hey whatever floats your boat!

[hollow yacht]

Yeah. That’s obvious

[hollow yacht]

I got a striker build. It was ehhh to me. It wasn’t hitting hard enough, it wasn’t tanky enough

[rain echo]

4 pc striker grupo chest with olb and coyotes

[glass portal]

Unfortunately, being tanky is pointless in PvE

[hollow yacht]

For pve?

[glass portal]

AI will destroy you with armor or not

[hollow yacht]

Well when I put all that protection from elites, not as much

[glass portal]

Protection from elites?? Wtf???

[rain echo]

Yoi still gotta worry about purple and red bar afds

[hollow yacht]

Sometimes I’ll just stand there in CD looking at my loot while I’m getting shot and I’m good🤣

[glass portal]

Like, if you have all that prot from elite, you're going to still basically take damage from Red or Elite enemies

[glass portal]

Damn bros a loot goblin, man doesn't help his teammates

[rain echo]

If ya a real agent you don't use pfe in cd

No fun if they can't even hit you

[glass portal]

Ya, PFE is pointless when tank builds exists without it

[hollow yacht]

Ahhh…. Social media. It’s great… sometimes

[rain echo]

Im a loot goblin in the DZ

[glass portal]

DZ is fair enough

CD though...

[rain echo]

Oh btw if you kill any loot goblins in open world they are my students

[glass portal]

Bros the general of the ambushers

[rain echo]

Yep thts me 😁

[glass portal]

Where's your location 🤨

[rain echo]

Ehy so you can take all the loot I've collected over thd years

[glass portal]

So I can learn da ways of de loot goblin

I am going to become the first ever rogue agent loot goblin

[rain echo]

It's really simple go into dz find an unexpecting agent kill him take his loot run away and hide then extract

[glass portal]

but what if I don't have pvp build fr

[rain echo]

Then just put on an all red build pve

It works

[hollow yacht]

Is walker, harris viable for PvP?

[rain echo]

I live in the sewers

[glass portal]

What's the gearset buff?

[hollow yacht]

+5% weapon damage, +5% damage to armor

[glass portal]

Not bad for certain builds

But Grupo and Ceska is what you usually would use

Lemme check something rq

[rugged stratus]

Assuming AR, fenris/contractors would be more wd and more dta

[glass portal]

Fenris, Walker, Grupo, Ceska are the gear brands you usually would use

[rugged stratus]

But idk if that's a goto for pvp. There is a build guide with a pvp section pinned in #td2-build-advice

[glass portal]

Remember PvP builds usually revolve around High End gear brands and not gearsets,

[glass portal]

I alr sent him a doc with pvp builds

[rugged stratus]

There is another floating around as well but I dont have a link

[rugged stratus]

The newer 1 with double companion added

[glass portal]

yup

[rugged stratus]

Good deal 👍

[glass portal]

Prodigy's one

[hollow yacht]

I’m thinking about running Coyote’s mask, 2 sokolov concern, Ceska, Grupo, and those foxs prayer knee pads

Hit or miss? Viable or not?

[marsh tundra]

pretty much everything is viable

question is will this suits your playstyle

[hollow yacht]

Fudge man, I don’t wanna screw this up and have to grind some more gear for days

🤣💔

[glass portal]

He's looking for a PvP build

[marsh tundra]

gears doesnt takes days to grind tho

ah, pvp i cant help you, i dont do that

[glass portal]

honestly like I said, I'll just suggest you follow the guide I sent you

Don't make up wacky stuff, it's prolly not gonna work as well as the meta stuff

[marsh tundra]

yeah pvp has to be optimized af or you'll get down instant

[hollow yacht]

I sorta did. I just changed some pieces

[glass portal]

I don't recommend you use the double companion one though

It's likely going to get patched eventually

[glass portal]

also not usually a good idea.. but if you want, ig u can experiment around

Just remember even once u get a PvP build, ur gonna get screwed by a double companion build

[hollow yacht]

I picked the Coyotes mask ar, no matador. But I didn’t have good rolls and talents on my fenris, and my backpack

[glass portal]

show it fr

[hollow yacht]

Double companion works with shields?

[glass portal]

no idea, don't know much about double companion

All I know is it's taking over the meta rn ever since they added Henri

[marsh tundra]

dont go double companion its bugged, it will get patched

[glass portal]

But it's likely gonna get nerfed just like most stuff

[hollow yacht]

I think ima just experiment around

If it doesn’t work; I’ll just grind out some more gear

[hollow yacht]

And what did you want me to show?

[glass portal]

Ur rolls on ur Fenris and backpackk

[hollow yacht]

Okay

His build was grupo backpack with vigilance, and fenris chest piece with unbreakable. He also had a brazos holster for 10% skill haste

Let me show you mine. Give me a sec. Gotta give my dog water

[glass portal]

Brazos holster is not just because of that, but it's Picaros

Named item that gives you more weapon damage for your lost WD from armor cores

[amber snow]

Did devs ever explain why weapon mods crit ch and crit dmg are both 5%? Cuz 5% crit ch is way more useful than 5% crit dmg

[glass portal]

No idea

[hollow yacht]

This is soo complicated

[glass portal]

Not really

[hollow yacht]

Im just gonna experiment

[glass portal]

People make builds by experimenting around

Also if ur going solo, use the catharsis matador one

If ur group coyotes would be better because it also buffs your teammates

[hollow yacht]

I’ve already mentioned that I don’t have matador, but I haven’t mentioned that I don’t have catharsis mask

[glass portal]

Might as well grind for those

Grind Countdown for the normal gear, then use CD Requisitions to get named item caches and exotic caches

Matador is DZ only, but luckily it's also in named item caches

[hollow yacht]

@glass portal

[glass portal]

Jesus Christ skill haste-

[hollow yacht]

I know. Shit rolls

[glass portal]

That's a tad bit of a nono

[hollow yacht]

I told you - my luck is shit when it comes to random loot in games

For some reason

I’m still gonna recalibrate some gear

[somber nymph]

What weapons do you use?

[hollow yacht]

I’m still picking. Maybe the Famas, and of course a smg. I don’t know which smgs are meta though

I’ve gotten smoked with the vector though

[somber nymph]

Oh okay! You should try out the st Elmo’s when you unlock it! It’s pretty great! And yeah vectors are good too. Like the dark winter one.

[hollow yacht]

I got the st Elmo’s, but it’s rolls are shit too. My famas barely has better rolls on it. I have one dark winter, but it’s also poopy

I’ll show you

@somber nymph

They are all poopy

[glass portal]

Rolls shouldn't matter that much compared to the FAMAS because of the Elmo's attachments

[hollow yacht]

Ahh okay

You’re right. That 20% crit hit damage on elmos

[glass portal]

Elmo's has 20% CHC 20% CHD 20% handling, 41 extra rounds (

[somber nymph]

Yeah the attachments and the talent make it a lot worth it.

Especially that mag size

[glass portal]

The talent is honestly a plus on

It's not a damage talent, but shock bullets can be useful randomly if you have them

Though, still not a good idea for PvP due to the talent

Talents fine for PvE though

[hollow yacht]

But like I said: I don’t have great rolls and talents on my fenris gear. That’s why I was thinking about using sokolov instead

[somber nymph]

What do you have on them?

[glass portal]

Yellow attributes

And the rolls on the yellow attributes are a huge yikes as well

[hollow yacht]

I haven’t recalibrated my gear yet, but right now I have 123% crit hit damage and 41.7% crit hit chance.

[glass portal]

Tbh that's not bad

[hollow yacht]

Yeah. Imma recalibrate the skill rolls

[hollow yacht]

I know. It raised my eyebrows

[glass portal]

Well... Uh.. then u can't recall anything else

And one of ur gear pieces were alr recal'ed with armor core sooo-

[hollow yacht]

I know. I’m trying to make it work the best I can

Vigilance is decent or really good?

[glass portal]

Might as well use ur striker build to go grind the gear pieces and trash ur current ones

[marsh tundra]

its pretty good if oyu know how to not take damage

[glass portal]

Vigilance is good if you have first shot advantage

[hollow yacht]

Fudge man. You know: all I wanna play division for is the pvp, and uhhh, my luck is garbage.

[marsh tundra]

man, you're in for a rough time, pvp is garbage in this game

[hollow yacht]

I’ll bait my team

[glass portal]

It's either Adrenaline rush or Vigilance

But if ur going adrenaline rush, might as well get Matador for Perfect Adrenaline Rush

[hollow yacht]

Y’all are just making me hate this game. I miss division 1. I had 650+ hours in that game and I never had a good build in that game either, but I had a great time

[somber nymph]

Yeah I used to rock matador before I got my memento.

[marsh tundra]

yeah well div 1 pvp was good

div 2 is down bad

[hollow yacht]

I wanna cry

[somber nymph]

Just use and play around with whatever you feel comfortable with. We’re just trying to help you out. But at the end of the day it’s your build and you’re the one playing it so just give it a go!

[hollow yacht]

Thank you for the encouragement. I really fucken appreciate it

[glass portal]

Am just suggesting these so you don't get rekted easily in DZ

[hollow yacht]

Wow. That’s amazing

[glass portal]

People will literally manhandle you out there

[cunning thistle]

When did I lose an arm..?

[glass portal]

Last time I went to DZ I got murdered when I entered through the door

[hollow yacht]

@glass portal I know, but I’m just gonna test stuff out in conflict first

[marsh tundra]

yeah dz is rough man, if you aint ready you'll get rekt

conflict doesnt really work iirc

[glass portal]

You didn't take cover from your own explosives fr, jokes aside, likely a visual bug

Now I can't really say much about conflict

[loud saddle]

yeah, usually you don't lose the arm it's just wrapped around you scratchin your right ass cheek....

u got a case of that itchy butt

[glass portal]

The builds I gave ya CAN be used in Conflict, but ik they're mainly DZ

[hollow yacht]

🤣 DZ is fucked up out there

[glass portal]

Honestly conflict is a meh meh

[junior cave]

How i can fix it? It wont budge, no matter what i do in game.

[marsh tundra]

conflict is worse

[hollow yacht]

I know if I can smack in conflict then I can smack in DZ

[glass portal]

I have no idea what that is

[junior cave]

Double XP.

[marsh tundra]

no conflict is different, with different cooldown and bonuses

[glass portal]

Am presuming it means how much double XP you want already..?

[junior cave]

Its the actual progress of Prime Target (or rather rescue). It wont raise, which it means i wont get a cache i guess...

For me ofc.

[loud saddle]

I can probably tell you why, perhaps....

are you looking at this from an alt character?

[junior cave]

No Kirra, main one.

[hollow yacht]

@marsh tundra I barely noticed that’s juri in your pfp

[loud saddle]

then nvm, cause there's a visual bug that happens at times with alts and that meter.

[junior cave]

Well, it did happen to me once. But i got 2x exp from it and a cache. 😁 Now its fubar unfortunately, thats why i ask here...

[hollow yacht]

Should I run the vector, or the grudge, or another smg?

[loud saddle]

yeah, not sure about that one unfortunately. I know of one related bug but that doesn't seem like what you're seeing if you're not swapping between multiple characters.

[marsh tundra]

hahaye, she is my bae

[hollow yacht]

I saw an edit with her wearing glasses yesterday. I was like woah, ngl. She looked different

[junior cave]

No worries, thanks for helping. :) Also can you explain how multiple alts are related to this bug? I assume doubleXP is an account wide thing?

[dire silo]

is this the last season for the game

[loud saddle]

no

[dire silo]

sweet i got started late

[loud saddle]

Can't go too much into detail but yes, 2x XP is an account wide thing but has hiccups in certain very specific situations due to how it's calculated.

i would just chock it up to a random UI bug honestly. restarting game didn't help resolve it?

[junior cave]

I havent tried to do activities in NY and on my another alt. Gonna try if that helps... And no, resterting, relogging, etc. didnt help.

[nimble spruce]

If it's really stuck, that might mean you can keep on getting the double xp all week - definitely not something to complain about!

[loud saddle]

indeed, that'd be a nice lil gift there. haha, BONUS! \o/

[junior cave]

Well, the problem is that i'm not geting a bonus. ;p

[loud saddle]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[junior cave]

If i recall it right, it may be related to descent probably. It was the first thing which i did at tuesday.

But i dont remember that if i got cache or not. 🤷

[nimble spruce]

Check the season menu, underneath the manhunt target name it should say something like 'all boosted xp gained' once you've got those 15 levels

[junior cave]

Ignore the language. Its how it looks atm. No bar filled and cache isnt taken.

Anyway, i can live without that. Appreciate your help agents. :salute:

[rugged stratus]

Pre or post warlords of ny completion?

[maiden wren]

I should change my in game language as well

Reading that stuff in Polish is trippy.

[sudden matrix]

Can't see seasons if you aren't into SHD.

[rugged stratus]

Alright

[sudden matrix]

You have restarted the game right?

[junior cave]

Yeah i did and as i mentioned above, its like that from tuesday.

[foggy needle]

season access only stats after you beat NYC

[sudden matrix]

Yeah but you can't even see the seasons menu unless you are done with WONY and into SHD levels.

[hollow yacht]

@glass portal Thank you for helping me. I got a hood PvP build now. If it wasn’t for you and the others who gave me advice and encouragement - I would have never thought of making the build I have now

[past tinsel]

spanish?

[glass portal]

👍

[true siren]

Este Discord es solo en inglés
(i dont actually speak spanish this is probably wrong)

[tiny stump]

mucho uno

[true siren]

luchador.

[tiny stump]

interrrrrrrnacional!

[thorn hedge]

i might be able to reword this, i took some spanish in hs

esta discordio es en ingles de primario

(this is kinda butchered because i suck)

[true siren]

through the power of teamwork we are almost fluent

[thorn hedge]

lol xD

[loud saddle]

no habla espanol, habla ingles?

[thorn hedge]

lemme use google

[true siren]

i barely habla english

[loud saddle]

tengo un fiesta en los pantalones? 🤔

[nimble spruce]

Uno memento por favor

[tiny stump]

is google translate still total shite when it comes to correct grammar

[thorn hedge]

esto discordio es ingles de principalmente

[thorn hedge]

if you know what youre doing you can c orrect it

[atomic escarp]

What should i do with shd tech points? like those that you use for gadgets

[thorn hedge]

buy gadgets

[loud saddle]

purchase said gadgets? open the crates in NY....uhm....

sit back and wonder why you end with like 12 extra....

[thorn hedge]

perks*

[atomic escarp]

ok ty

[loud saddle]

need more perks to use the extra shd points on....\o/ please and ty

[thorn hedge]

all shd points can be spent lol

idk what you did to end up with extra but you didnt do something

[nimble spruce]

Nah, I think everyone has some extra

[loud saddle]

main character has 9, alt has 12 extra. all perks bought, all skills unlocked, all crates in NY opened, and idk what else...projects finished, lol.

[thorn hedge]

you defo missed something

[glass portal]

SHD Points? The one to unlock skills?

[thorn hedge]

id double check

[glass portal]

Yeah you missed something

[nimble spruce]

And apparently one of the dc side missions can be farmed for extra shd

[glass portal]

You will have 0 SHD points when you unlock the caches in the safehouses in NYC

[thorn hedge]

you cant farm a side mission

[nimble spruce]

You can if you fail before completing it

[loud saddle]

there's literally nothing left....but something might've glitched during the process

[thorn hedge]

sounds like it then

cuz none of my characters have spares

[loud saddle]

not that i'm complaining, just think it's funny. tons of folks ended up with extra shd according to posts I've seen on reddit and forums and stuff

[thorn hedge]

neuither of mine have spares

[nimble spruce]

The number of shd caches in NY exactly matches what you need for those safehouse boxes so the issue must be in dc

[thorn hedge]

unless you had extra before entering ny

[loud saddle]

one post says the most common to have is 6 and that was for a perk that was removed from the game.

[nimble spruce]

But yeah I've heard loads of reports of people having spare, the exact number is weirdly variable though

[thorn hedge]

defo a buyg then

[thorn hedge]

defo a lie lol

[loud saddle]

shrug I came to the game 2 years after launch so can't comment

[thorn hedge]

i came day 1 so i can

[loud saddle]

I'm just going off posts stating having 6 left over is common, but as Kettle said, the number seems to vary slightly

[thorn hedge]

some bug then

keep in mind TU2 i think it was? they added the white house shd caches

[loud saddle]

white house shd cache, doesn't sound familiar but that's not to say I haven't grabbed it

oh, you mean just the collectible boxes where u gather the tech from? those were added later on after the rest were? weird....

[rugged stratus]

What's good all

[loud saddle]

almost lunch time, that's what's good, haha

[rugged stratus]

Nice

[hollow yacht]

Yo. How do I know if I’m in World Tier 5?

[loud saddle]

should say world tier in top right corner of screen when walking around, and your game should be telling you to go do Tidal Basin at this time.

[hollow yacht]

I just completed Tidal Basin

[karmic shuttle]

anyone know why i cant equip this survivalist deagle?

[thorn hedge]

because you dont have survivalist equipped

[loud saddle]

then your WT5, highest level for a lvl 30 (outside of raising gearscore) time to either complete the offsite missions or go to WONY, your choice.

[thorn hedge]

its locked to the specification its assigned to

[hollow yacht]

Top right?

[karmic shuttle]

ah, thnx

[loud saddle]

lol, you're level 40, no world tiers after that.

[hollow yacht]

So is it bugged for me?

[thorn hedge]

thats WT4

5 is after TB

[loud saddle]

the minute you left DC to do WONY the world tiers were gone

[hollow yacht]

What’s TB? Tuberculosis?

[loud saddle]

TB = Tidal basin

[hollow yacht]

🤣

Ah. Of course

[nimble spruce]

At level 40 you can just change the world difficulty from the map menu, use that instead of world tiers

[hollow yacht]

Let me go try to destroy The ravens ammo pack and kill him. If it doesn’t work then it’s bugged for me

[loud saddle]

at this point if something (field research, challenge, etc.) is asking u to do something WT5, just assume you need to do it on Hard or above. (safe assumption imho)

[thorn hedge]

make sure its on hard mode

[hollow yacht]

Ahhhhh! Okay

Should I just do it on challenging just in case?

[loud saddle]

nah, just do hard

[thorn hedge]

it says normal in the menu but just do hard

the difficulty difference between the two is negligible

[hollow yacht]

Don’t worry. I’m a pro

I’m doing it on legendary. Solo

[wispy merlin]

🤨

[devout sinew]

good luck

[thorn hedge]

it wont even work on legendary lmao

[loud saddle]

🍿

[wispy merlin]

he doesn't even show up in legendary

[devout sinew]

awww you spoiled my fun 😄

[wispy merlin]

i get triggered when i see leg solo kek

[loud saddle]

6 hours later......"damnit, can't even get past the entrance"

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[wispy merlin]

drone and nade spam rampant

[thorn hedge]

skill issue

[devout sinew]

mini-tanks go brrrr

ded

[loud saddle]

dies before helicopter even lands at zoo wooo! \o/

[thorn hedge]

I have my all white character if you wanna do it rn kirra

[loud saddle]

nah, sitting on my ass at work, twiddling thumbs, waiting for 4:30 lol

[wispy merlin]

zoo???

[thorn hedge]

Zoo

[wispy merlin]

i love zoo legendary

[loud saddle]

ZOO

[wispy merlin]

up the wazoo

[glass portal]

I hate touching grass ngl

[loud saddle]

the floridian in me had an issue going into the crocodile pit....like....instincts said, "NOPE, NOPE"

[glass portal]

If I was home grinding for SHD levels I would have been SHD level 300 now smh!!!

[devout sinew]

I'm tired of new legendaries matching with new comers w/ 1-digit SHD lvl

[glass portal]

But instead am out here grinding Touch Grass levels!!! Ugh!!!

[loud saddle]

i shall hit 1k on HC character this weekend, my goal just to say I ddi (not that 1k means anything rly)....only 350 levels to go. XD

[glass portal]

God damnit bro

[devout sinew]

good luck, I've never played HC ever since my character was killed while the game had crashed

[glass portal]

I could have gotten so much SHD levels if I wasn't on vacation smh

[loud saddle]

HC is good as long as you understand a single crash could wipe your character....

[tired plaza]

does anybody have a 75-100 floor summit checkpoint to share with me?

[loud saddle]

if u can't deal with those facts, don't try HC, lol

[tired plaza]

lately its not all that risky anymore to run HC with crashes, although its a lot safer to run HC in a group

[loud saddle]

I've mainly stuck to descent anymore with HC

[devout sinew]

I tried couple of times but I figured out I can't bear them 😛

[tired plaza]

just dont run HC if there's a lot of lag, i lost 2 HC characters bc my hive didnt proc. This was in the time when there were several xp farms slowing the server down

[devout sinew]

White Oak or Nuke plant

[tired plaza]

both

[devout sinew]

oof

[tired plaza]

once in open world, other time in summit

i heard the hive drone proc, right after getting the "you are dead" screen

[devout sinew]

so it must have been like couple months

in total

[tired plaza]

yeah. now adays if you crash (while in a group), your char disappears within 4 secs

[devout sinew]

Wasn't it like 10 secs previously?

[thorn hedge]

iirc 30

[devout sinew]

holy moly

whopping 30

that's eternity

[tired plaza]

ive never experienced 30 secs delay

[narrow kraken]

Is pestilence mlg good?

[tired plaza]

and ive crashed a lot (at least once per HC session, but thats standard for every division 2 session)

[devout sinew]

Not bad, but definitely not the best

[narrow kraken]

Is it better than chameleon?

[tiny stump]

its the lmg ppl love to hate and hate to love

[tired plaza]

i prefer chameleon

[devout sinew]

it's up to your play style, if you prefer close-quarter combat, Chameleon is good

[narrow kraken]

I like rushing

[devout sinew]

If you're kind of a lazy person and want to watch the plague destroying things, Pestilence should be your choice

[tired plaza]

ive lately noticed that the chameleon buffs refresh if you get out of combat before they expire

[narrow kraken]

I will give pestilence a try since I just got it

[devout sinew]

If you gear yourself up with weapon-damage boost talents, the plague damage will increase as well

[narrow kraken]

Good

[devout sinew]

It's quite risky but having Glass-Cannon(or "Sacrifice" chest piece) paired with Pestilence will show you the different world

[marsh tundra]

BRUH

move and attack the cp already

[devout sinew]

They think the sunflowers are the cp

[tired plaza]

throw a grenade ath their feet

that will make them move

[devout sinew]

if tossing a nade won't work, fast travel somewhere else and come back

[nimble spruce]

Sometimes it's quicker to fast travel to the other side of the map and back to force a restart

[glass portal]

Just leave your homies to fight then come back fr

[hollow yacht]

@loud saddle @thorn hedge Thank you both for helping me. I just finished stage four

[glass portal]

Also the militia are so useless in this game

[devout sinew]

I get pissed every time I see this happening :/

[glass portal]

I swear

Like why can't this game just make friendly NPCs useful, it's just like any other game, making the friendly NPCs absolutely suck

[marsh tundra]

yeah i had to tp elsewhere for them to move

[devout sinew]

but militia are tanky as hell

they eat bullets with casual T-shirts

[glass portal]

They're baits and that's literally all

[hollow yacht]

@marsh tundra Yo. Have we spoken before on another server? Your name seems familiar to me

[glass portal]

Like... Atleast give them more purpose rather then the usual bait..

[thorn hedge]

lmao shoulda heard sokolova's comm about this last season

[glass portal]

Honestly this is why I wanna become a rogue agent

[devout sinew]

don't even remember :/

[glass portal]

Switch to them, instantly become OP fr

[thorn hedge]

and then die to someone who has a main character complex

[glass portal]

feels so stupid man

[marsh tundra]

i dont think so

[glass portal]

And our main character can't speak apparently

Never questions orders, no morals

[marsh tundra]

we have 0 discord in common

[glass portal]

Just casually gets a 20 killstreak

The story would be better if our main character could actually like you know. THINK

our chars is basically a mindless slave, I swear

[hollow yacht]

@marsh tundra I must be thinking of somebody else

[thorn hedge]

on the canonical side, our character is loyal to the division, similar to other agents (sanders, kelso, etc.)

on the realistic side, that would add way too much complication to the actual story lmao

[glass portal]

Loyal or not, someone loyal would still somewhat question what we're doing

[thorn hedge]

who says they arent

[glass portal]

Kelso literally told us to "nah don't listen to him he's speaking bullcrap"

[thorn hedge]

i mean to be fair keener literally wanted to chemically bomb an entire city

[glass portal]

Uhh.. well, you know they aren't really saying anything or indicating anything

We literally have no emotion lol

[glass portal]

Not even talking about Keener, talking about Kajika

[thorn hedge]

the point is we are the character, not controlling them

[kind cove]

One of the rogue agents in warlords literally became a rogue agent because he retreated instead of defending a doomed point no?

[thorn hedge]

kajika was literally just a hunter except shit as his job

[glass portal]

in that case I want to become rogue but I can't 🗿

[thorn hedge]

because that would add way too much developmental complications

[glass portal]

Also I blame everything on ISAC

[thorn hedge]

like an absolutely absurd amount

youd basically have to write an entire extra game

[glass portal]

Could have atleast made it in endings

Like at the end u become rogue etc etc because of sum sum

[thorn hedge]

this game doesnt have an ending? lol?

[glass portal]

Then only the end gameplay is different, or not different at all and was only a cutscene choice

[glass portal]

that's why the story sucks dog

[thorn hedge]

theres no endings in the real world

[glass portal]

Fairly enough, I never seen Ubisoft make a game that has good story

[glass portal]

For all we know, our agent could have died early on.

[thorn hedge]

youre asking way too much

like way way too much

[glass portal]

But because it's a game we cannot dieeee soooo yes

[thorn hedge]

way more than any dev studio could accomplish in a reasonable time lmfao

[glass portal]

I'd rather have a good game rather then a rushed game

[loud saddle]

our div1 characters helped keener bomb city hall cause they were tired of hearing that dude complaina bout his back, lol

[glass portal]

But the most important part is-

[thorn hedge]

something like that would take GTA VI type of development time

[glass portal]

THE DAMN CRASHES!!!!

[mellow trout]

Watch dogs, any ac game between 2-rogue, there's a select few

[glass portal]

Fair enough for Watch Dogs

Now we need a FPS like Division that has good story fr

Just atleast make it so the main character, us can talk 😭

[thorn hedge]

I think this game has a good story

I think you're just asking for it to be player-oriented which is not the point

There's more to the story than just the player

[glass portal]

WoNY is the only part where I considered the story good tbh

[thorn hedge]

You'd be surprised how deeply canonical a lot of this game is

[glass portal]

Other then that it's mostly just, follow orders, shoot people, have a killcount of over 1 million

[thorn hedge]

If you collect all the comms you'd understand

[glass portal]

All in side content

[thorn hedge]

Yes that's the point

That's literally the point lmfao

[glass portal]

I want it to be somewhat actually involved into the game lol

[thorn hedge]

Then division ain't for you

[glass portal]

No, the division story ain't for me, the other parts are fine

[thorn hedge]

The game is designed so if you want a story you get a story, and if you wanna shoot you get to shoot

[mellow trout]

This game at least for me shines in the world building and atmosphere

Also that banger of a soundtrack

[glass portal]

Oh yeah, atmosphere sick, very cool graphics

[thorn hedge]

It's very realistic

[glass portal]

But story still mehhhhhh

[thorn hedge]

Castle theme goes hard

[thorn hedge]

If you get all the comms you'd prolly appreciate it more

[mellow trout]

The countdown theme and rogue agent music still get me all pumped up

[glass portal]

I alr listened to most of them because I just watched a video on it

[thorn hedge]

Rogue agent music got stale to me

[glass portal]

Wasn't bothered to collect damn collectibles to actually hear the story

[thorn hedge]

Did you listen to all the off site ones

Like pentagon, manning, white oak, Kenley, wony

[glass portal]

As in not in DC and only i-

Yeah I don't remember tbh

[thorn hedge]

Cuz those comms are surprisingly deep

[glass portal]

WoNY I collected some and listened, but it was a month ago

[thorn hedge]

Oh and all the classified mission comms tell a story

[glass portal]

Still don't get why collectibles exist

Are they just like, fun things our agent keeps or what

[loud saddle]

I was really thinking they'd open up atleast the aquarium classified mission for this season....for all playrs

[thorn hedge]

And none of the others lol?

[loud saddle]

well not really, more so like, "that'd be neat"

[thorn hedge]

WAIT KIRRA YOU MAKE A GOOD DAMNED POINT

[loud saddle]

well, only the aquarium seemed to play into the current story....

[thorn hedge]

No hold on you might be onto something

[loud saddle]

and since they even show it in the photos for this season

[thorn hedge]

Kirra wait

[loud saddle]

I know, that's logic and fuck logic right

[thorn hedge]

NO MATE WAIT

THAT MIGHT BE THE PRIME TARGET MISSION

[loud saddle]

😶

yeah true, I know we still have DUA as well

and I think we saw zoo as well

[thorn hedge]

Except THE AQUARIUM MAKES CANONICAL SENSE

What's the one thing you want someone who runs a fish farm to do

[loud saddle]

3 more targets, 3 missions listed...

breed fish? the biological parts of it maybe? the chemical requirements for the water supplies and shit? a few options there but u got one ur ready to say

[thorn hedge]

The point is to run a fish farm lol

[mellow trout]

Y'all are onto something here

[thorn hedge]

And it's clear from the current comms that they just kidnapped some people for little to no reason at all lol

So chances are it could be literally just running a fish farm

But I wonder where they could put such a mission, like it's not like there's any missions in the game that contain a fish farm...

[thorn hedge]

Considering the Anderson manhunt they just used countdown, they basically broke the border for what standard manhunts can look like

[mellow trout]

Started going off site and things

[thorn hedge]

So there's a reasonable possibility they use either the aquarium or hell, maybe even descent (little far-fetched I know)

[loud saddle]

i mean the aquarium classified is kinda small BUT, looping back around (just like the classified mission does) would make it feel kinda big I guess...might work well

[narrow kraken]

Finally did it with 4 randoms on ps

[mellow trout]

It's a real shame the classified assignments arent utilised more

The club one I remember being very visually cool

[loud saddle]

true, some really nice environments there in those missions

[thorn hedge]

Don't go all hard mode

Makes things way more difficult and take way longer

[loud saddle]

the prison is nice too, club for sure, the old retro government facility....

[thorn hedge]

Problem is they are too small

[loud saddle]

very much so

[fallow inlet]

Hey KiRRA

[thorn hedge]

Y'know what would be hella annoying

[loud saddle]

sup Saph

[thorn hedge]

A kenley manhunt mission

[mellow trout]

Oh god

[loud saddle]

shut ur mouth, don't give them ideas

[thorn hedge]

I have the best ideas I know

[mellow trout]

Don't give them any ideas about that place

[noble tusk]

NO

[fallow inlet]

thats a burn in hell idea

[thorn hedge]

:D

[sudden matrix]

It would be smart to use assets already in the game tho.

[thorn hedge]

Like kenley

[fallow inlet]

Hey Souless

[sudden matrix]

Sup. You having a good day?

[fallow inlet]

getting redady for work

im a vampire

[thorn hedge]

Saph back up my idea pls

[noble tusk]

no

[mellow trout]

No

[fallow inlet]

only if they use the resident evil site

[thorn hedge]

Please someone

No kenley

[mellow trout]

Im fine with kenly just not existing

[fallow inlet]

thats where resident evil was supose to be

[thorn hedge]

Wait y'know what would be interesting I just came up with another idea

[mellow trout]

Oh no

[thorn hedge]

An open world mission

Where you're dead ass just chasing a convoy

Lmao

[mellow trout]

Slap on strikers kill them all in 10 seconds profit

[thorn hedge]

More difficult than that

[loud saddle]

almost a year after green poison and everyone (mostly surprising with black tusk) still refuse to use vehicles outside of helicopters and hovercrafts.

think they would've just ran us over in a humvee by now, lol

beep beep, SPLAT

[mellow trout]

It's not even like they don't have fuel with the amount of gas cans that have blown up in my face

[loud saddle]

lol

[maiden wren]

Too much rubbish on the roads.

[loud saddle]

it's funny cause we face how many enemies IN vehicles at times? zoo (doesn't count i guess cause fixed track), wallstreet, DUA, hmmm trying to think of others where we actually shoot vehicles.

not that we shoot the monorail but u get the idea...

[nimble spruce]

monorail is the only one that actually moves though, the others are just static

[mellow trout]

Maybe the iron horse technically

About a billion snipers up in that thing