ask-td2-community

[tiny crane]

does the tidal base have to be invaded for it being able to drop ?

[mellow trout]

Yes

Not the manhunt

[foggy needle]

tidal base is always invaded FYI

[rugged stratus]

That's a good point . You shouldnt be able to run it if you havent done the other missions

Unless mode changed

[sudden matrix]

I think during the manhunt mission you can't even open that door anyway.

[loud saddle]

this was clarified for them earlier, that it needed to be regular tidal basin and not a toggled mission mode....

[loud saddle]

you're just gonna have to wait a day and test it after the days reset as to remove that as a possibility

[loud saddle]

btw, when you try this tomorrow on a clear run, do it on hard minimum just to be sure.

[tiny crane]

people said do normal just to be sure xd

[loud saddle]

I don't remember anyone mentioning difficulty, but since most other things (such as spec field research for example) all require hard or above, it's a safe test to make sure it's not also difficulty related.

[tiny crane]

Bet will try tomorrow then

[sudden snow]

is Carbine 7 really defaulted with Overflowing talent? Every time I got Carbine 7, the talent is always Overflowing

[frozen pumice]

Is habsburg being sold at any vendor? Weekly vendor website says it is but I dont think so

[loud saddle]

yes

[marsh tundra]

is there any way to get thoses blueprints anymore ?

[loud saddle]

currently, I don't think so as I don't think they're part of the reconstruction cache blueprint pool at the moment. so would assume until they get added in to that, no?

but...could be wrong?

[foggy needle]

iirc all old named blue prints are in the descent (random reward from beating nemesis)

[loud saddle]

is it all of them? that's good if so, was under impression it was only like season 1-4

[foggy needle]

last i checked its for all past named items

[viscid dagger]

Has it been confirmed tho that dz blueprints are also from descent

Oh nvm

So yea devil's due, matador

The gift

[foggy needle]

yes already confirmed

[viscid dagger]

If only the reconstructed caches weren't so rare 🙃

[marsh tundra]

then im fucked, i cant beat him

nemesis straight up oneshot me through cover last time i faced him

i stood no chance

[foggy needle]

even if you can, still random reward

[marsh tundra]

yeah i wont bother

[thorn hedge]

im still lookin for them

thats really annoying though. locking overpowered bps behind a stupendously low drop chance

i sincerely hope they change it

[mellow trout]

Honestly just put them in the control points/summit loot pool at this point

[fallow inlet]

Hey Eevee, Azurmen32

[thorn hedge]

i think just dectupling the drop chance would be better

[mellow trout]

Why couldn't they just have the nemesis drop a blueprint cache + a random one from the pool

[glass portal]

i have never heard of blueprint caches before, tf

[sudden matrix]

It's just a crafting project. There are a bunch of exotics with similar things.

[thorn hedge]

they are called reconstructed caches

they are super low chance of dropping and dont confirm a bp drop

[next marsh]

Does someone know whats is going on with Determined Talent and How it really should work ?
First on TU17 we could chain body shots and talent was reseting, they changed it on TU17.2 so that we had to land real headshot before getting the talent to activate again. Now since TU18 the talent was reverted back to it's original release on TU17.
On the 12th of June seemed that the talent was working as intended but description was wrong (according to the Div2 Trello) and since the 22nd it seems it's not working as intended as they said almost the same thing before patching it on 17.2 (again according to https://trello.com/b/F2RU9ia9/the-division-2-known-issues)
So what this talent should really do ? bc even the descrition is not good as they said.

[sudden matrix]

It's supposed to proc from a killing headshot and give you the talent which will then be spent on a non headshot.

Problem is that it either gets spent on headshots and body or it's self procing on the body. They can't seem to get it right.

[merry charm]

Alrighty! took me 12 hours, but I finally got a White Death with 137% headshot Damage and 15% MMR Damage! What should my third attribute be?

[sudden matrix]

DTTOOC

[maiden wren]

DTA

[merry charm]

OOh, Wondering about this. Because the third attribute is actual 6% DTA

it's perfectly rolled

[sudden matrix]

Either one will work but some think DTA is better cause you can be shooting people in cover more than now.

[merry charm]

But didn't know DTA vs DTTOOC

[maiden wren]

The better question is what’s the talent on it.

[merry charm]

Reformation, which is worthless

[sudden matrix]

I'd roll that talent yo.

[merry charm]

Determined?

[past spoke]

in it's current state yes

if it gets fixed to a more reasonable state i like preservation

[next marsh]

and they don't seemed to get the descrition of what it really does right too that why i'm confused, i used it before TU17.2 thought it was a broken build, they patched it and it seemed right to me because.. and they put it back but with less damage or something like a damage cap in TU18 so i thought ok that's maybe a solution, but now it seems that they say again that it sould not be like that so ???

[wispy merlin]

no it's due to how DTA also scales HH bonus, which doesn't happen with DTTOOC

[maiden wren]

It seems they don’t even know what they want to do with the talent.

Conflicting posts on trello and all.

[sudden matrix]

No damage cap on it. Full HH I hit for like 26 mil with my WD and it'll self proc currently.

[merry charm]

May I ask what HH is?

[sudden matrix]

Head hunters talent on chest. Chainkiller has perfect talent.

[merry charm]

Ah, okay. I didn't know that! I happen to have a Chainnkiller, though!

[sudden matrix]

BIS for sniper builds.

[thorn hedge]

i prefer habsburg or airaldi with chainkiller

[merry charm]

Is habsburg okay for a two piece set?

[thorn hedge]

since the damage doesnt change with perfect hh vs regular hh

[maiden wren]

???

[thorn hedge]

perfect hh does the same damage as regular hh

[next marsh]

Can hit up to 30M RN but i head someone says that they changed it so RAID bosses cannot be OS now but not sure about this information

[thorn hedge]

how do they change that

[sudden matrix]

You can one shot all raid bosses.

[thorn hedge]

yeah you can

[marsh tundra]

you can cause its glitched

[next marsh]

Curently ?

[marsh tundra]

but its not intended they have invulnerability frames

[wispy merlin]

always have been

[sudden matrix]

It's just you have to use nego.

[thorn hedge]

idk how theyd prevent one-shotting just because its in the mechanics of the actual bosses

[mellow trout]

Negotiators

[marsh tundra]

to oneshot a boss you have to deal massive damage in a few frames

[thorn hedge]

youd need to alter how the boss behaves to be able to prevent that

[wispy merlin]

yeah they don't know what they're talking about. determined isn't even remotely the way to one shot them

[marsh tundra]

which one ?

[wispy merlin]

they don't even acknowledge nego

[sudden matrix]

Nope that's year one stuff, currently you use negotiators to one shot certain bosses.

[thorn hedge]

its moreso ravenous than nego

[mellow trout]

On fieser my group used Achilles on the chunga after the control room locked and just abused that to one shot him with negotiators

[sudden matrix]

Nego is the reason it works on certain bosses.

[marsh tundra]

for real they patched that ? damn

[next marsh]

anyway i'm not sure about this information i just head someone say that, it was not official information

[thorn hedge]

ravenous is the reason it works at all lol

[sudden matrix]

Nope. it's Nego.

[thorn hedge]

rav is the only way to even get those damage numbers lmfao

[next marsh]

official informations about the talent it thick fog curently

[sudden matrix]

Nego is the reason they can one shot first boss in IH before you can even damage him.

[thorn hedge]

so where does the 700m damage number come from

[sudden matrix]

Nego is the only reason you can one shot Boomer and 2nd boss IH too.

[wispy merlin]

they're both the reason

[sudden matrix]

You aren't wrong but you aren't right either. It only works cause negos sharing damage, which you can share damage to invulnerable targets.

[thorn hedge]

idk how you can discredit me without discrediting yourself lol

[marsh tundra]

i can

[thorn hedge]

p much yeah, im just saying if they wanted to go about changing this they can just remove that perk from rav and ezpz

[sudden matrix]

Because they could do it the same as boomer but it's about time saving cause you have targets with armor to take advantage of rav stacks.

It's just the fastest way possible with rav. Could be done other ways.

Cause you do know they kill boomer with nego but not rav stacks right?

[thorn hedge]

how then\

[sudden matrix]

Friggen basically every amp damage buff in the game.

Which you could do in rail yard but you can use rav and not worry about all that.

Means quicker speed runs.

[lilac remnant]

pvp fixed with the glitches?

[marsh tundra]

which one

[lilac remnant]

the unable to cover/revive/or abilities barely working

[marsh tundra]

not a thing, dz is fine

if you cant use cover then its not a cover

you might be lagging tho

[twilit otter]

They fixed it last week

[shrewd frost]

how does summit floor 10 exotic farm works?

[lilac remnant]

sweet thnx. was out of town for a bit buit glads i can play it now lol

[somber nymph]

Basically go into the floor, kill the boss and then back out to the lobby. Rinse and repeat.

[shrewd frost]

does directives/difficulty have major impact on efficiency in term of exotic drops?

[somber nymph]

Directives only affect xp.

[marsh tundra]

difficulty = better rolls, directives = more chance to drop

no, difficulty only increase the quality of the drop

[somber nymph]

Ah okay gotcha

[marsh tundra]

directives gives more loot but its not worth it imo unless its easy already for you

[shrewd frost]

I see

[mellow trout]

Most summit directives don't change it much at all

[sudden matrix]

Summit doesn't do much well in terms of XP or loot. I stopped playing countdown a long time ago for the exo cache. Two rounds of countdown and I can have one anyway plus it's more fun and way more loot per minute.

[marsh tundra]

yeah countdown is much better

i do summit for project weekly thats it

[foggy needle]

summit is actually more loot if you spam the boss farm but boring AF. otherwise countdown is more loot

[marsh tundra]

i also wonder whats the lore behind summit

[sudden matrix]

It's a sky scrapper we need to clear out.

[marsh tundra]

yeah but where is there all the factions in it, why they got hacked shd crates, etc

[viscid dagger]

Why do rikers have shd crates in countdown

[marsh tundra]

also why they have 100 floors filled with factions not fighting each others

why do we even bother fighting them, its an empty building

there is nothing there

[sudden matrix]

It's the blood thirst of division agents!

[shrewd frost]

what's so special about countdown for exotic drops?

[sudden matrix]

Nothing actually it's just countdown rewards you with countdown currency which can then buy exotic caches.

[brittle grove]

Eh it's sorta quick, and in about 2-3 good runs you can purchase an exotic box

[marsh tundra]

you get countdown credits, then buy caches

[shrewd frost]

so not exactly a focus farm I assume?

[marsh tundra]

you can too, its good to target loot

thats why its a very good spot

[shrewd frost]

what makes it good for target loot then?

[sudden matrix]

You typically get 40-60 items a run with 10ish being named.

A run is 17ish minutes.

[brittle grove]

You pick it and you have lots of enemies that drops that along with named gear etc at a high rate honestly, you can go in to countdown and 15min later come out with like 60+ items

[marsh tundra]

you can focus what loot you want

like summit

[brittle grove]

The worst part might be people excluding you due to your watch level besides that's it's definitely worth it

[marsh tundra]

just dont run heroic and you'll be fine

heroic you need a great build and know what to do

[brittle grove]

I leeched heroic

[marsh tundra]

lucky you

[shrewd frost]

I see

[brittle grove]

Oh don't worry lots of guys kicked me but I've seen people with high watch lvl run basically anything they could put on without actually having any purpose with it

[marsh tundra]

yeah i dont trust watch lvl

only inspect gear

[brittle grove]

I'm running a chameleon build so idk it's okay I guess?

[marsh tundra]

not great but its ok

[brittle grove]

I did a shotgun set first but uhh thats risky lol

[shrewd frost]

I once tried to matchmade a normal difficulty and the matchmaking itself took about half an hour

not a great first impression I suppose

[brittle grove]

I've had mix resulted depending on the time of the day on heroic, usually it's less then 2 mins

[marsh tundra]

nobody plays on normal

almost no loot

and no xp

[brittle grove]

Also regarding summit, idk it feels harder for less then countdown

I'm at floor 77 there

[marsh tundra]

yea summit aint worth

[brittle grove]

Also summit has lots of bugs..

[sudden matrix]

Yeah 30 floors for the weekly is just a ton of time, like what 3-4 hours.

[brittle grove]

Like doors not opening etc

[sudden matrix]

At least the weekly legendary project is easy and I enjoy the legendary missions.

[brittle grove]

I haven't really thrown myself on that yet 👀

I'm here making builds and being upset about rolls lol

[shrewd frost]

I tried to go in solo and barely able to hold myself together, then I just decide harder difficulty is not for me

fair enough I guess

[brittle grove]

But I mainly came to the discord to ask if anyone know how I could go and farm the "Providence Defense" armor set, it's normal yellow gear basically but I'm looking for 2 parts, helmet and a holster and I can only really think about countdown focused on those armor slots which means it's gonna be rng on rng

[marsh tundra]

target loot

[sudden matrix]

Countdown and select prov as targeted loot.

[marsh tundra]

go to map, press r to see where it drops, or do countdown with target loot

[brittle grove]

Ah, is it selectable as a set directly in countdown or will I have to select the armor types and let the dice roll?

[naive solstice]

always the set, not item piece, item pieces goes for exotics only

[brittle grove]

Well it's not green so?

[sudden matrix]

Set/brand

[naive solstice]

^

[brittle grove]

I'll get on and have a look, if it's that easy then it's all good

[sudden matrix]

It is easy, game changing for some.

[marsh tundra]

its very easy, but you still need to do the mission and get the loot

remember this mission is time gated

[sudden matrix]

But Lincoln memorial is prov today which isn't a bad mission for targeted loot.

[brittle grove]

Imagine if you could combine same % type mods for a bigger % on that mod

[marsh tundra]

haha

would be too easy devs wouldnt let it

[brittle grove]

I am sad

Imagine missing 0.3%

[naive solstice]

imagine 0.1%

[brittle grove]

Oh man.. one day

[naive solstice]

don't stress it, just use highest you have and you good to go

even 5% is better than 0%

[sudden matrix]

Yeah it'll take a long time till you have all perfect mods but knowing the best way to get max mods is what helps.

[brittle grove]

Omg you can actually target farm yellow gear that's sick, thanks 👍

[sudden matrix]

Usually it's mods targeted loot on a legendary mission like DUA.

Just cause that's the easiest one.

[naive solstice]

but you have to play leg DUA tho

and suffer

i'd rather suffer on countdown while npcs tickling me literally

[sudden matrix]

Yeah but it's a super low chance to get max rolls. I probably get 1 every DUA lego run and most the time you can share within your group.

It's all about what you can handle and find fun farming. Sometimes the top thing just isn't fun

[merry charm]

From people who actually use snipers, do you prefer Aces or Hotshot? I'm leaning hotshot, but I don't know!

[sudden matrix]

3 pc hotshot, all weapon handling as secondary attribute.

[merry charm]

3 piece hotshot, but chainkiller chest?

[sudden matrix]

Yeah with foxes, araldi backpack vigi. Could use gift too but I only have CHC/CHD gift.

[drowsy tapir]

OHHHH

[merry charm]

Dumb question, but I see "Rifle" and "Marksman Rifle" seperate. Does the 10% Rifle Damage from Fox's Prayer Overlord apply to Marksman Rifles?

[marsh tundra]

no only rifle

[sudden matrix]

No they are seperate classes of weapons

[merry charm]

But Fox's Prayer is still the best because of the Weapon Damage, Dttooc, and Headshot Damage?

Oh wait. There's only one Overlord. You don't even get the 10%. Got it.

[signal lily]

Is there a difference between critical hit & headshot damage?

[pseudo tundra]

different multipliers that can stack

[sudden matrix]

Yeah they are their own seperate multi.

Don't split between them tho go full into one or the other.

[pseudo tundra]

a headshot will only apply on headshots, crits can apply in any shots, so a headshot can crit having both damage bonus

[brittle grove]

So crit rate is capped to 60?

[tiny stump]

yeah. and the stats page wont tell you if you're build technically has 65-70 crit chance. you gotta check by removing chc and making sure you're not over, or only a little over the cap

[brittle grove]

So weapon buffs won't go beyond either?

[tiny stump]

some talents will guarantee a critical hit but yeah for the most part its 60

[brittle grove]

If 60% is the best we can do that means on average the chameleon will crit about 30 bullets per mag 🤔

[sudden matrix]

Yeah but it's chance which isn't exact it's just a chance. In after action reports they show real crit chance and damage but after action reports are buggy so maybe don't trust it fully.

[brittle grove]

Also side things, how do you get all the different kinds of optimization materials some I have still 0 out of?

Are they tied to specific missions?

[past spoke]

still sort of annoyed they capped chc instead of reducing chd

[sudden matrix]

Well optimization requrires lots of mats so which one specifically do you mean?

SHD cal? Field recon? alloy or weave? Tactical assesment?

[lament ferry]

Are there people here who do Sherpa raids? For people who have never done them before? I’m lvl 33 and a returning player, my buddy is 31 and a new player. Obviously we want to be 40 at a minimum, but just asking for future purposes.

[brittle grove]

Like maybe the main one, let's say you want weapon damage it's one optimization from being max and your other stat you want is maxed, or the other way around?

[sudden matrix]

Optimization requires like 4 different mats....

[tiny stump]

not without the blueprints

[sudden matrix]

To optimize you'd need SHD recal, recon, weave or alloy, and a tac assesment.

[past spoke]

shd recal, field recon, weapon mat, faction mat

[brittle grove]

Like this as an example, also don't ask why the pic is like that.

Yes I am playing on a phone and yes that is indeed my other phone with it's garbage camera taking a picture of the screen on the phone I'm using to play.

[sudden matrix]

Wait are you new? You really shouldn't optimize new gear at a low SHD

These are the 4 things btw you are missing field recon data and black tusk tactical assesment.

[past spoke]

i feel like half of my scav points are being sent straight to whatever mat i'm dry on for recal

[brittle grove]

Oh boy, how do I get them

[sudden matrix]

Named enemies from whatever faction for tactical assessment, field recon from cps. These are things you can craft aswell if you've gotten the blueprints from farming cp3 or 4s.

There are other ways to get field recon tho, I know DZ is one. Also caches at the countdown vendor give stuff.

[sudden matrix]

Wait is this a gehtto remote play set up then?

[brittle grove]

It's a phone using GeForce now and has the game streamed to it, and the phone is attached to my controller though a holder

[sudden matrix]

ahhh gotcha.

[potent shard]

where are the voice chats of raids ?

[sudden matrix]

But yeah if you are newer I personally wouldn't waste time on optimization for normal gearsets, you'll find perfect rolled ones with enough farming. Most of the time the brands and hard to find parts need optimization but that's about it.

[marsh tundra]

gone

[potent shard]

@marsh tundra where

[sudden matrix]

Gone. See #discord-news for more info.

[sudden matrix]

They is unalive forever.

[frozen pumice]

Is there a new method for farming targeted loot in mass amounts? Like setting the difficulty low and just farming highend for mats?

[marsh tundra]

no, just go countdown with target loot its the best farm

[frozen pumice]

Ok

[paper bane]

yeah countdown da method frfr

[frozen pumice]

is TODO: Gearset Q BackPack an error item in the vendor?

[marsh tundra]

ye

[tacit valley]

Yup

[frozen pumice]

I think I'm better off waiting for a gear piece to be sold at one of the vendors than farming it. To craft it constantly for rolls. Cause it's a drag doing a bunch of countdowns when I can just craftroll for it and relax

(I have a great amount of SHD points to spend on resources too) sooooooo idk feels easier

[paper pier]

[marsh tundra]

gaming gamer right here

[inner tendon]

Either they've been playing for 4 years straight, or they farmed it out during one of the exploits.
More likely the latter.

[carmine flicker]

I wonder how expensive their gaming chair was if it was that good

[inner tendon]

I hope the lift on it broke every single day.

[marsh tundra]

wow, calm down there satan

[inner tendon]

If they can break the server and make a good portion of outside DC quite literally unplayable, they can suffer through a broken chair.

[marsh tundra]

fair enough

[sudden matrix]

If you inspect people and go to their characters to see time played you can easily guess if they used an exploit or not.

[tacit valley]

Yes, I’m not surprised. I’ve seen some people lvl high like that.

[sudden matrix]

Just keep in mind 20k SHD isn't unrealistic not worth a pitch fork.

[marsh tundra]

yeah 20k is way too high to be realistic

[sudden matrix]

Now a couple hundred thousand SHD....

[marsh tundra]

lmao thats so worse

[tacit valley]

Lots of hours to work on to reach a hundred thousand levels.

[brittle grove]

So I have a question about crit rate so.. basically on the stat screen it shows me a very high % and it tells you the sources and it counts my shotgun as one, does it actually apply crit rate to all other guns as well?
And why does it count my crit rate on the shotgun but not my main exotic as it's not listed in the items?

[marsh tundra]

no, diff guns have diff crit chances

you have to equip the gun to cehck the stat

[brittle grove]

But why is one gun listed as a source

[true siren]

because you have it equipped in that screen

[marsh tundra]

cause gun has innate crit chance and you have it equiped

[brittle grove]

Ohhh

I can swap it and it changes

Alright well I'm overdoing the crit

Gotta farm new armor then lol

[true siren]

60% crit chance is the hard coded max crit chance

[brittle grove]

With the watch lvls I can drop probably 2 of my current sources of crit, I should math it but I'm thinking it's gonna be around 55+ ish

If not 58

[marsh tundra]

maths, not even once

[open hollow]

Under Lincoln Memorial, how do you get to this loot?

[marsh tundra]

electric boxes to shoot around, yellow iirc

follow the cable

[brittle grove]

Well my gun doesn't have max CRIT chance it can have, and non of my armors either because rolls are pain

[true siren]

using SMGs?

[brittle grove]

And I'm at 43% not counting the watch so I'm over doing it

Chameleon

So assault

[marsh tundra]

AR dont have a lot of crit chance

smg do

[brittle grove]

Well it gains 20% so and that's not counting what's on the weapon itself

[sweet lava]

as a returning veteran whats a good way to get back into the game and something to go for (i havent played for 11 month almost a year

[pseudo tundra]

well could try countdown game mode if you want to get new items or gear sets fast, it drops a lot of loot and you can choose what to target it

just stick close to other people and follow them

[sweet lava]

ive done countdown

is there any new content ?

[pseudo tundra]

descent game mode

[sweet lava]

seasonal or otherwise

oh whtas descent abt

[pseudo tundra]

roguelite mode, start with no gear and you get to pick up gear at the start of each loop and talents at each room

so you can make weirdo builds

it's the usual start from scratch if you die kind of deal, complete enough rooms and you will have to fight a "clone" that is just a reskinned hunter and you will get lots fo loots when you exit

it's not so great for farming loot and more for XP so far

or trying out different things

[dense hill]

Can you get the blueprint for the police magnum still and if so how

If not can is there a specific way to get one or is it targeted loot

[rain echo]

i noticed someone had the caliver apperal pieces the shirt and pants as well as shoes do you get em via the sp?

[brittle grove]

I recently got the backfire and ngl it kinda feels like the chameleon sorta

[true siren]

its... not great

[brittle grove]

Well with my scuffed setup rn backfire hits for 1491000 and my chameleon hits for 1436738 but I'm too tired to farm for better armor prices rn it's all still bad not to mention my mods being awful

the backfire would hit for even more "technically" because it's the same set just swapped the weapons on and off

but then again no bleed protection so uhh..

[pseudo tundra]

just use ninja kneepad and hope you dont reload by muscle memory

[cunning thistle]

Is there anything worth getting from current vendor rotation?

I've heard stuff about rock n roll but idk if it's actually good or not

[paper pier]

I found St Elmos as really good AR: incredible stability, acuracy, ROF, damage and wooooping 70 rounds per mag!
Yes, it lack damage talent, but even then it one of the best if not the best AR

[mellow trout]

The mods are what make saint elmos

The shock can sometimes come in clutch with add spawns and hunters tho

[sudden matrix]

It's good for stacking builds like strikers or heart breaker as it has a 30 rounds in it. A lot of people also use weekly vendors to buy items for proficiency. Example being claws out at the countdown vendor, people will buy enough to donate and get rank 10 with it.

[cunning thistle]

You can donate items for proficiency?

[rain echo]

Yes

Get a crap ton of items and then mass donate

[cunning thistle]

Well damn I've been using the armor to get proficiency like an idiot

[rain echo]

Most people usually get thier bags full then just donate all the marked junk

There are 23 expertise levels

[sudden matrix]

You can also donate extra resources to make things proficient. Helps when you wanna do some of the seasonal items like chillout, sleigher, or oh carol.

[rain echo]

I still have a god rolled oh carol

😅

[next perch]

How much necessary amount of hazpro do I realistically need to stop the bleed from backfire?

[inner tendon]

Blind/Deaf    91
Burn    91.4
Disorient    93.8
Disrupt    95.8
Ensnare    93.8
Poison    89.2
Shock    86
Pulse    100
Napalm (cleaners)    88.9```
Enjoy!

[cunning thistle]

Any way to not be bullied in dark zone cause I'm just trying to get the shotgun...

but nah people gotta be dicks

Hope they enjoyed stealing my 1 piece of gear.. must've been worth

[slate mortar]

Guys any idea what is the reward for the last manhunt target this season? Like previously we got stovepipes vest

[rain echo]

A patch

The patch is of 2 pink dolphins

[slate mortar]

Ait thanks! Kinda letdown its just a arm patch

[rain echo]

Doesn't get much worse then an arm patch

[cunning thistle]

Is there literally anything I can do for the DZ please... I can't kill people but of course they can damage me and steal everything I have

[kind knot]

did i lose my stars from the last event?

[cunning thistle]

I'm literally on the verge of breaking something I'm so upset

I can't even go rouge to damage them back but of course on command they can kill me no problem it's the most bullshit mechanic ever

Nevermind it's not even fucking worth it this game is so shit

[kind knot]

dude put together a build

stop trying to do DMZ if you arnt prepared for pvp

[true sky]

why cant i delete this?

[kind knot]

its a specialization specific weapon

thats why the little eye is behind the gun

[true sky]

ok. so what do i do with it?

[kind knot]

put it in your storage

[true sky]

lol. what

[kind knot]

whats confusing about that?

[true sky]

the reasoning why

saying put in storage doesnt tell me why i would need to do that

[kind knot]

its a gun. if you dont wanna use it or have it in your bag ( you asked about deleting it) then you put it away

[cunning thistle]

Everyone in DMZ is 1 tapping me even with a build

and they can toggle rogue no problem and I can't

[true sky]

yeah i cant do anything with it. Equip or Delete

[cunning thistle]

The rock n roll isn't even worth it so I'm over it fuck the dmz it's useless

[kind knot]

is your Rogue button keybound?

[kind knot]

change to the specialization you need to be

[true sky]

oh ok. thank you

[kind knot]

you can try an get some named item caches, it also drops from them

[glass portal]

There is a button to go rogue, for PC I am pretty certain it's T
(Not sure)

And am also pretty certain everyone in the DZ right now are using Double Companion builds

Which is stronger then anything else in the game (not sure)

[shrewd frost]

is there anything that can disrupt you in the black tusk faction other than the grenade and robo dog self-destruct?

[glass portal]

It's definitely going to get nerfed though

[shrewd frost]

I keep getting disrupted at seemingly random in the summit

[rugged stratus]

They sometimes have special ammo that can disrupt

[glass portal]

Disrupt = EMP right?

[rugged stratus]

Yes

For agents its either jammer, emp sticky, or tech spec grenade

[shrewd frost]

does the player have access to the disrupt ammo?

never seen one before

[rugged stratus]

Are you using special ammo directive

[glass portal]

Not sure... I think we only have shock, bleed and incendiary bullets

[rugged stratus]

No we dont. Closest is shock ammo

[shrewd frost]

yes, I'm assuming they will have ammo player had access to

[glass portal]

(explosive as well, from those crates I think their explosive bullets anyway)

Obviously

[rain echo]

i love how every heroic cp is 1 level

[drowsy tapir]

is that good ?

[cunning thistle]

I know the bind but it doesn't work...

[rain echo]

sprinkle in other activites

[glass portal]

Is your whole game bugged, zamn

[rain echo]

over 700k for 1 CP and an ectra 200 k for any side activites

[glass portal]

Bullet King ain't half bad, you prolly can use it for certain builds but it's a meh for me

[rugged stratus]

Good component 👍

[glass portal]

Yeah better off either keeping it in your stash never to be seen again, or just deconstruct for a component

[rain echo]

Why is it the pistol I use dose more crit dmg then moat ARs

[latent night]

does anyone know a workaround for the summit combat mastery merit commendation? think its bugged at stage 3 "-5/-4"

[rugged stratus]

not gonna have to worry about having yaahl crafting mat anytime soon. hit that clan vendor if you need some stock.

[prisma violet]

holy shit, thanks for letting me know

[glass portal]

The amount of resources u have 😭

[nimble spruce]

Black tusk used to get shock ammo with the special ammo directive but it was too annoying for players (you'd just get stunlocked and shot to pieces) so they changed it to disrupt ammo.

[dense hill]

will this work for regulus

[blazing timber]

which is even worse because they can just one shot and bypass shield and reviver hive at the same time

[nimble spruce]

At least it didn't stop you from ducking into cover

[blazing timber]

yeah it's a debate what's worse shock vs disrupt both are bad

[narrow kraken]

Pretty sure it asks for replica which needs to be crafted

[dense hill]

ive seen that it dosent need to be the replica but idk if it needs to be the police model or not

[junior cave]

Is the event of double xp bugged? I cannot progress with that, bexause it stays to 0.

No matter what i do. Activities or missions dont raise anything and i guess i wont get that cache. 🤔

[rugged stratus]

Special ammo is a directive for adding an extra challenge... not just extra xp😅

Use at risk ig

[blazing timber]

ik still could have picked something else

[blazing timber]

on heroic it's fine but doing it on legendary 😂 😂

it's a nightmare

[shrewd frost]

can 1p electrique substitute 1p golan if skill tier and status effect is the desired stat? or is there something special about golan in particular?

[jaunty dust]

golan is mostly outclassed, even for the named

[rugged stratus]

You can probably get more resources if lacking.
If you dont have all agents made, make them boost and run through wony (maybe 1 weekly so no burnout)
Even at low shd whatever scavenging points you gain on your main agent will be duplicated and usable on your other agents if the have the shd watch... resources are a shared pool so shd spent for resource on an alt will be available as resources for you main.
Money, components, water, and food not shared.

Also 4x shd projects for exotic cache
4x summit floors exotic cache
4x legendary weekly exotic cache.

It's a great way to multiply your effort without having to do 4 times the work.

Also 450 total extra storage slots on the other agents.

After made you just let them sit and harvest when need.

When shd is higher you can delete and remake an agent to duplicate everything that has been gained.

Some will say not worth at low level. But if you need the resources an extra bit of free scavenging points can go a long way... 😎

Essay done 😅

[glass portal]

So basically, if I make a agent rn, any scavenging points I gain on my main will go to my alt agents when they get Keeners watch?

[shrewd frost]

so one character's shd watch level up will progress other character's shd watch if they had access to it?

that sounds exceedingly wonky

[glass portal]

Wait wait, does the SHD Watch level up on the alt agents as well or do they just gain scavenging points?

[rugged stratus]

If you had 4 agents right.
And after a day of playing you had 5 scavenging point. You would have another 15 on the alts

[shrewd frost]

christ

[glass portal]

Interesting...

[rugged stratus]

But anything you've gained thus far will be duplicated. What's your current shd

[glass portal]

201

[rugged stratus]

So each made would have 40 scavenging points available

[glass portal]

That's kinda...goofy ngl-

[rugged stratus]

When you see higher shd. 800 is always tied to the watch... but a level 2000 will get 1200 scavenging as soon as the complete a wony run

This is how most are high expertise . Its infinite the amount of times you can delete and rerun an agent

[jaunty dust]

unless u are me, and you grind for it

[rugged stratus]

And it's working as intended according to ubi

[glass portal]

Noooo way

[rugged stratus]

There will be a few items you will most definitely use watch points for in the end

[jaunty dust]

nope, you can use resources

[rugged stratus]

Fair

But watch points = resources

[glass portal]

So basically, once a new agent completes WoNY, and if am SHD 2000, the other alt agent will get 1200 scavenging points but stay at SHD 1?

[jaunty dust]

its only exotic materials thats tricky, i notice after lv10 i need to watch out for exo use

[rugged stratus]

Your alts will match main shd level always

[glass portal]

Whatttt?

[rugged stratus]

Yes

[glass portal]

Holy crap-

Well is it even worth it doing that at SHD 200?

[tiny stump]

no

[jaunty dust]

no

[glass portal]

Expected

[rugged stratus]

And when deleted and remade way down the road they will match and have fresh watch points to use

[tiny stump]

dont bother til you hit 2500-3000

even thats too soon

[rugged stratus]

No jd

[jaunty dust]

just make at least 1 for storage purpose

[rugged stratus]

Its better to make and forget at this point

[fresh junco]

Just dont bother, it's not needed at all

[rugged stratus]

20 scavenging is still better than no scavenging

And they just keep ticking up

Its wasted potential if not created

[jaunty dust]

wony campaign is boring after the 2nd time

[rugged stratus]

Yeah it's a quick 2 hrs

[glass portal]

And not the other things such as countdown farming, etc etc?

Amazing

[jaunty dust]

i dun grind countdowns summit, stuff

i just play weekly

[tiny stump]

wony is kinda fun. new york is under rated

[rugged stratus]

Even at shd 1000. Idk any legit activites that will give 200shd in 2 hrs...

F10 came close though

[tiny stump]

yeah thats a good point

[jaunty dust]

countdowns give SHD, F10 give recon points... both needed for optimisation and expertise

[rugged stratus]

Countdown is slow shd

[fresh junco]

Just play, you end up with so much garbage loot you can grind up and use for expertise the cheesy method isn't needed unless your in some kind if rush

[jaunty dust]

i never scavage since day 1

[rugged stratus]

I'm just saying make them for resources. Nothing about expertise btw

[jaunty dust]

most of my gears yet maxxed

[glass portal]

I don't need expertise- I need optimization points

[rugged stratus]

Optimization is expensive

[glass portal]

I'd rather get my builds fully maxxed before expertising

[jaunty dust]

countdowns will get your early SHDs

[shrewd frost]

what to do with overflow protective fabric? donation?

[jaunty dust]

recon you can craft by yourself

[rugged stratus]

Crafting an shd calibration is like 1500 of 3 resources(500 each) but only 1 watch point

[jaunty dust]

dont craft shd

unless you are overflowing

[rugged stratus]

Frd is expensive resource cost for crafting as well

[jaunty dust]

just do countdown

[tiny stump]

more important than scavenging points is getting good at playing heroic so you can get some potentially high-top tier loot that you dont even have to optimize

[jaunty dust]

recon is just 50 of each

[fresh junco]

Which you will be if you just play

[jaunty dust]

summit for me tho, casual, i can leave the team anytime

[glass portal]

Fair enough, but considering I would have to do that for 5 different gear pieces that's not the same brand, that will be a tad bit annoying

[rugged stratus]

I commend the ones that grind everything slow. 💯

But I'm not that guy, time is valuable and ide rather spend it enjoying what I'm doing instead of grinding everything slow

[jaunty dust]

its like macdonalds, its shit but i'm not going to rush my meal

[tiny stump]

yeah i takes a long time. it was on purpose that i didnt say it would be quick

[glass portal]

I still need to get my watch level to 1000 so I can put in my attribute points 💀

[jaunty dust]

they need to expand on summit

[rugged stratus]

Are you not spending as you get then (locked points)

[tiny stump]

dont you apply those as you go?

[jaunty dust]

its very casual endgame..

[glass portal]

No I do spend them, I mean so I can get maxxed stats

[rugged stratus]

Oic

[tiny stump]

oh good right right

[glass portal]

I need that 10% crit chance 20% crit damage!!!!

[rugged stratus]

Yes

[tiny stump]

yeah man thats a big deal

[jaunty dust]

no amount of crit damage will > skills

[glass portal]

Still anyways I need to get from SHD 201 to 1000, my brain is gonna die

[rugged stratus]

Itll happen faster than you think

Control point grinding and picking up activities in between will drive shd up fast

[tiny stump]

its all about tactics. like for the love of god use cover when you need to. and use cover to cover movements because you move faster and are less likely to get shot. (it may even make you less likely to be seen, im not sure)

[glass portal]

I still ain't sure what difficulty is recommended, I heard challenging is best because it consumes less time and still gives good enough XP

[tiny stump]

its all on what you can handle

[rugged stratus]

Challenging also gives the blueprints

[glass portal]

But I can do heroic easily (if my brain doesn't crap itself mid game and becomes dumb)

[fresh junco]

Enjoy the ride, the worst thing about this game is having nothing left to look forward to except finding exotics, after that having to wait for new DLC.

[glass portal]

Also in the point of CP Grinding, I do need to get blueprints so I can just fill everything out

[tiny stump]

you rly dont need all the blueprints but you'll need certain ones for crafting optimization materials like faction materials or chest weave or something

[jaunty dust]

i remembered the time where it is tedious to get CP3/4

[glass portal]

Especially the faction ones

That's why am going for blueprints in the first place

[tiny stump]

yea gotta get those

[rugged stratus]

Yes. Save a bit for your weekly shd projects though

[glass portal]

I currently have 4/23 optimization stuff (I think it was 23, don't remember)

Prolly less

[fresh junco]

Had quit doing them till they added the chance for exotic component to the yellow chest. Now they are fun again, like a lottery.

[tiny stump]

at least theres a lot of control points you can pick from

[rugged stratus]

Always level 30 exo component farming . Delete and remake 30's for shd weekly project 🤣

But imma stop there 😅

[glass portal]

SHD level 1000 grind real

[tiny stump]

yeah it took me some tiiiiime

[glass portal]

how long 🤨

[tiny stump]

but thats bc i wasnt grinding hard and speeding through every bit of the game. I spend time putzing around with stash/inventory and exploring and collecting materials

[fresh junco]

Depends on what you can handle

Heroic all directives, that's 10 days or so depending on play time.

[tiny stump]

dont remember but probably like 6-9 months lol i really dont have a close guess

and i didnt use directives

[glass portal]

Eh I run 4 directives

Ammo Hoarders is a tad bit annoying considering I run out of ammo after 1 minute of shooting

[tiny stump]

yeah i dont even rly like putting on fog of war. i get all the god rolled gear i need with no directives

[rugged stratus]

Man I miss f10 farm. You could hit your 1000 in like 2 sessions if hitting it hard

[tiny stump]

and i dont care about leveling up faster

[jaunty dust]

lv1000, took a week for me

[glass portal]

Pretty certain directives don't affect rolls, but it certainly affects XP, and that's important for me

[tiny stump]

wooo

yea thats right. more items from targeted loot and more xp

[shrewd frost]

does stinger hive require line of sight to fire it's projectiles?

[fresh junco]

No floor 10, or exp farms. Just fast travel activities for a constant fight and gear.

[tiny stump]

dont think so

[glass portal]

How much hours is a week

[tiny stump]

ive thrown stinger hives where i cant see and they still detonate

[jaunty dust]

fog of war makes u a better player

[glass portal]

1 week is like uhh 168 hours right

[glass portal]

me who uses pulse anyway:

[jaunty dust]

pulse is cheat, but ok

[glass portal]

i need to try playing without pulse

[jaunty dust]

i'm always listening to enemy footsteps and speaking when playing on openworld

because red or yellow specced

[tiny stump]

yeah it doesnt rly hinder me. im in the habit of whipping my camera around every so often during battle so i can see who is where and if anyones near me. i should give it a shot. ill probably forget its even on

[glass portal]

Surprised you can even hear footsteps with all the shooting goin on

[jaunty dust]

yep

[fresh junco]

Using all directives is learning to play blindfolded. When you answer a call for help and there are none you Excell with ease.

[jaunty dust]

easy to become narrow focused when shooting enemies

[glass portal]

Playing strategy games has definitely helped with that issue a tad bit for me though

[tiny stump]

situational awareness. those hunter masks must really help with that ppppppppppfart

[glass portal]

Surprised because with how much FPS and Strat I played, I barely developed that skill enough lmfao

Depressing tbh

[tiny stump]

eh its whatever. most of the games ive played before div2 didnt really prepare me for the way this games combat is

[glass portal]

The combat in this game is take cover, shoot people to death, hope your build is good enough

Any other game if you have skill you can easily win

[tiny stump]

yeah but it depends on your build. playstyle with a skill build is very different from a dps

theres a very fine line between reckless and effective with some combat strategies. like running directly into a group of enemies, seems crazy but if you have a plan and execute it with confidence bc you've done it so many times before its super easy.. like, a grenade or stinger hive, or a banshee pulse or running HF to CC these bad guys and you can shoot down 5 guys before they even get a chance to aim at you

[shrewd frost]

when does jammer pulse cause enemy to stagger other than some weakpoint are broken by it?

seems to be very inconsistent

[tiny stump]

as far as i know jammer pulse should cause disrupt to any enemy within the radius. how long that lasts depends on your build

[shrewd frost]

I mean the kneel to the ground animation when they become disrupted, it only plays sometimes

being disrupted doesn't seems to hinder their movement in any way

[tiny stump]

how many skill tiers are on your build?

[shrewd frost]

6, does it have any effect for the stagger?

[tiny stump]

yeah you should be getting a decent length of disrupt but once they stand back up its over

[shrewd frost]

what I am asking is why the kneel down animation is inconsistent

[tiny stump]

thats new to me. maybe its bugged

or there might be a certain enemy type thats protected against emp/jammer pulse or something

im not aware of any tho

[pseudo tundra]

Well stagger mechanics are one thing the community is not fully sure how it works outside of high bursts of damage or explosives working

[marsh tundra]

i run pulse every day, fight me 😠

[idle linden]

finally got all the exotics in the game, except lullaby

[marsh tundra]

gj

[rugged stratus]

Elites wont stagger from jammer

[idle linden]

as happy as i am about it and as certain as i am about the fact that im not using irl money to get a shotgun skin for my wall it kinda hits my OCD

[shrewd frost]

I see

sometimes jammer seems to destroy enemy weakspot, what weakspot does it actually destroy?

[rugged stratus]

If you use the gunner pulse itll disorient everything though

Idk about weak point breakage with jammer tho, half the time I'm using it on drones in summit or dogs in cd

[shrewd frost]

does it always break enemy electronics? or just large amount of damage that could be tanked provided they have enough health?

[marsh tundra]

jammer = damage to robots, but not oneshot per say

with enough skill tier you can one shot some

[shrewd frost]

I see, I can't find anything in it's description about damage, but it does deal some amount of damage

[rugged stratus]

Usually drones die quick . Dogs are generally 2-3 bursts . All depends on the health pool and difficulty.

[marsh tundra]

i use jammer to oneshot drones vs razorback personnally

its so much easier this way

[rugged stratus]

But lack of pulse. Tsk tsk 🤣

[marsh tundra]

i run pulse otherwise

so strong with short cd

and spotter talent is bae

[dense hill]

can you only get yhall gear from dz

[rugged stratus]

Clan vendor right now

[dense hill]

oh ok

[rugged stratus]

You can get materials anyways. I'm not sure what the rolls are

[dense hill]

what do i do

[rugged stratus]

Normally dz only

[dense hill]

buy the gear trash it?

[rugged stratus]

Yeah if you have the blueprints for crafting it

Its 1 yaahl material per deconstructed item

[dense hill]

ok

[tiny crane]

so i just got the adrestia, now what. just kill puck ?

[sudden matrix]

Did you decon the adrestia and get tally?

[tiny crane]

yeh

[sudden matrix]

Then you should be good to get the blueprint.

[tiny crane]

dont i need to get the other parts ?

[rugged stratus]

Needs other parts iirc

[dense hill]

whats the best way to farm yhall as im broke

[rugged stratus]

Dz

And hope for the best

[dense hill]

ugh

[tiny crane]

some people say they dont, other say they do

[rugged stratus]

You need parts. I think one of the missions can give a missing part , font remember which but probably in a guide

[sudden matrix]

Well you could always just run the mission anyway, your going to have to if you wanna run the strong hold.

[rugged stratus]

Then I think gwh invaded for bp but i could be wrong

[sudden matrix]

The zoo will give a random part. Not sure if you could run it multiple times to get all the parts cause that would be crazy but idk.

Zoo wasn't in the game when I made my nem so never bothered finding out.

[tiny crane]

but does zoo need to be invaded ?

[sudden matrix]

Yeah always invaded.

[tiny crane]

frek

can i join a friend who has it invaded ?

[sudden matrix]

Everyone has it invaded?

[tiny crane]

cant seem to set it to invaded

[sudden matrix]

You can just toggle the mission to invaded while selecting difficulty.

[sudden matrix]

It'll say at the bottom, typically G key.

[tiny crane]

why tf can i only play story

[sudden matrix]

lol you've never done it.

[tiny crane]

i did

[marsh tundra]

you didnt do the mission before if only story is aviable

[tiny crane]

many times

[sudden matrix]

You've never done invaded right?

[tiny crane]

ohhh i started coney island

[tiny crane]

i did

[sudden matrix]

Well the only time story is the only option is when you haven't done the mission.

But you see at the bottom? G to toggle mission?

[tiny crane]

yeh

[sudden matrix]

Press it

[tiny crane]

why cant i toggle grand washinton hotel to invaded then

[sudden matrix]

You sure you can't?

[marsh tundra]

you're supposed to

[tiny crane]

i just killed puck

didnt drop

[sudden matrix]

Yeah then you do need all the parts for the nem for it to drop.

[tiny crane]

just one right ?

other then the tally

[marsh tundra]

if you dont have the other part the nem doesnt drop from puck i believe

but im not sure tho

[sudden matrix]

You need three more parts.

So the zoo will give a random part but I'm not sure if you can run it a few times to get all the parts. Someone might know or you could run it twice to see.

[tiny crane]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80qUDKR8r3Q&t=4s

[sudden matrix]

Typically you wait for every strong hold to rotate and kill the invaded bosses at the end every week but when they added the zoo it became a random nem part from there.

[tiny crane]

and where in zoo does it drop ?

[marsh tundra]

should be final boss

[sudden matrix]

All the parts drop from the final boss, the blue print from puck. Would be pretty sick to run zoo a few times and get all the parts.

If that is the case maybe I'll get a nem or two on some other characters.

[tiny crane]

i'll run it now and let ya know

[marsh tundra]

every faction drop different materials, depends on what you need

but solar farm is a good place to run

[tiny stump]

Yeah I have a route I take thru the whole east mall/solar farm area. It takes like ten minutes but I get about 500 of each material (steel, titanium, carbon fiber, polycarbonate, ceramics, electronics)

I used to do it every day and I'd be pretty well stocked all the time. But I got lazy about it

I'll make a video soon

Yeah I get low on ceramics a lot

Yeah NYC is great for materials

Yeah you get titanium from gear set pieces and maybe steel

[tacit valley]

I thought bounties would

[tiny stump]

I don't know. Probably

[marsh tundra]

bouties drop according to their factions

key, mats, etc

rewards are shown on screen, they drop gear + xp

nah

mats drop like normal loot not rewards for bounties

but you get mats as rewards for normal activities

like civilian rescue etc

always depending on the faction

not really, they are more or less on their designated area

outcast on the left side of the map, BT on south, true sons on the right etc

depending on where their stronghold is

some cp/place for activities varies cause they are close proximity

NY is different

its small so place is fully random

also remember BT will never take a cp, only activities and bounties

[marsh tundra]

ny ONLY has rikers and cleaners

with bt sometimes

with some manhunts rikers and cleaners went to dc, but it was a one time thing, they never came back

its the same as dc approx

[tacit valley]

Yes. And rogues

[marsh tundra]

rogues are everywhere, even in some missions tho, they are not specific

[snow trellis]

do u get anything special from saving eva garcia

[marsh tundra]

no, you'll get something when you complete the manhunt entirely

tho you get castle settlement upgrade

[snow trellis]

so pointless

[marsh tundra]

not pointless

you need to save eva and every other to complete manhunt

[nimble spruce]

It's just for story, variety and something to do. Completing the whole thing will likely give a transmog or apparel item too.

[thorn hedge]

from finishing the manhunt you get a special exclusive exotic a patch

[marsh tundra]

last mission might give you an exotic tho

or a new skill

[thorn hedge]

nah

its a patch

[maiden wren]

Pink dolphin?

[marsh tundra]

i mean last manhunts did, so why not

[maiden wren]

Last manhunt was the chest apparel.

[marsh tundra]

anyway, manhunt is the season story, if you dont enjoy it, i dont think you enjoy any mission

[thorn hedge]

it shows as the manhunt reward that its a patch lol

[tiny crane]

@rugged stratus normally it says in the description

exotic part, but because i already ran it this week before i got the tally part it doesnt count

[rugged stratus]

yeah thats super shtty

[dense hill]

where is the best place to farm maxed out gear mods

[rugged stratus]

summit legendary probably

[dense hill]

ok

[cunning thistle]

Still can't go rogue and I'm still getting 1 tapped in DZ.. lovely

Is there seriously no safe way to get dz materials

[marsh tundra]

dz mats ?

what you talking about

[cunning thistle]

material for vendor

[marsh tundra]

oh i forgot that existed

why cant you go rogue tho

[cunning thistle]

don't know... wouldn't matter anyways I get killed in 3 bullets even with my pvp build

[sudden matrix]

T does nothing?

[cunning thistle]

no

[marsh tundra]

yeah thats dz for you, pvp is highly unbalanced

look in your options for what buttond to go rogue

[sudden matrix]

You have to hold T.

[cunning thistle]

Does nothing

I know how going rogue works but it doesn't work

[sudden matrix]

Yeah just check keybinds then.

[cunning thistle]

It's t

[mellow trout]

It's always unbalanced cuz expertise and hackers

[cunning thistle]

Never changed it because I don't go rogue anyways

[mellow trout]

That's just how it is unfortunately

[cunning thistle]

Just want to mind my own business and get the materials to buy the rock n roll

[marsh tundra]

then you dont need to go rogue anyway i guess

[sudden matrix]

Are you in the occupied dark zone?

[cunning thistle]

I've tried going to different ones but they all have people who can kill me in literally .2 seconds

[marsh tundra]

whats your shd lvl

and your build

[sudden matrix]

Well T doesn't work in occupied dark zone.

[mellow trout]

Honestly just buy named caches

[sudden matrix]

PVP is like soft on where you can shoot people a little bit until you hit a damage threshold to go into rouge mode.

[cunning thistle]

I don't know where to and I doubt I have the required material

[sudden matrix]

Countdown vendor, or global even stars.

[mellow trout]

Cd vendor or global events

[cunning thistle]

literally every darkzone is gonna have people

[mellow trout]

Honestly the rock and roll generally isn't worth the effort

It's neat but it's not a deal-breaker

[cunning thistle]

well I can't get dark winter either

[mellow trout]

Dark winter is overrated

[cunning thistle]

so rock n roll is my next best option

[sudden matrix]

I'm just trying to help you with the T doesn't work thing. If you were in occupied DZ then it doesn't. Not sure if you've tried it in a non invaded one.

[cunning thistle]

Can't do countdown I get kicked from every lobby I try to join

[mellow trout]

What SHD/build?

[marsh tundra]

whats your shd lvl

and build*

[mellow trout]

Also don't go to heroic

[cunning thistle]

I'm doing normal..

[cunning thistle]

112

[marsh tundra]

and your build

[mellow trout]

Go to challenging you'll find much more players there

[cunning thistle]

coyote mask striker and picaro for pve

[mellow trout]

My advice drop Picaros for striker holster and run ceska obliterate chest

[cunning thistle]

Finding players isn't the issue it's that I get kicked

[marsh tundra]

go challenging you wont get kicked

i dont get kicked with that build

[mellow trout]

Create your own

Also yeah in challenging people don't care

[cunning thistle]

They leave

[mellow trout]

3 men will be carrying the entire thing anyway

[marsh tundra]

man, if you get kicked in challenging there is something you arent telling us

cause i seen people with no build no shd not being kicked and being carried

[mellow trout]

Hold on

Skills maybe?

[sudden matrix]

Could be skills yeah

[nimble spruce]

I'm just amazed that anyone is playing Normal countdown, the loot is so terrible there's really no point at all

[mellow trout]

True that

[dense hill]

come join me

[sterile rover]

What's this ?

[mellow trout]

Broken gear

[glass portal]

To do gear, duh.

[fallow inlet]

Hey Kettle

[sterile rover]

And others with no build, low SHD(no experience) and 0% helpful play heroic, do nothing, sometimes troll and make hell for other players who want to farm loot. Think that's fair ? I dont..

From my point of view... its not fair to carry nuubs that dont know what to do and they are not helpful at all.. that's what i'm trying to say

[nimble spruce]

'Fair' isn't really a valid measure in this situation. It's certainly not optimal or helpful though. As others have mentioned, challenging should be the go-to difficulty for anyone that doesn't have a strong build and the knowledge to use it well. It only takes a few good players to carry a team there. Lower difficulties are pretty pointless unless for testing yourself solo though.

[sterile rover]

Some of them just go to heroic straight from New York with nothing and i wonder... wtf is in their head 😅 ? And yes, low dificulties are rly pointless until someone play just to practice and get some sort of what they should do on a match

[nimble spruce]

I can only imagine they equate it to open world heroic, where it's relatively easy for a strong player to carry weaker ones and the loot quality is significantly better than challenging

[sterile rover]

heroic dificulty on countdown is more dificult then heroic on open world

[nimble spruce]

There's no obvious giveaways to newbs that countdown difficulties aren't the same as open world/mission difficulties

[loud saddle]

yeah, could've kinda changed the naming scheme on that a bit, lol

[sudden matrix]

Or put a good description.

[nimble spruce]

Yeah, like raids only have two difficulties and one of them is discovery, so people are less likely to assume that Normal is the same as Normal elsewhere in the game

[cunning thistle]

What's this :p?

[rugged stratus]

Commendations

You've done nothing 🤣

[cunning thistle]

🤔

[rugged stratus]

Just kidding

[cunning thistle]

I play solo so I mean...

[thorn hedge]

congrats on the achievement

[rugged stratus]

You have to claim them and number will rise. You'll get badges and stuff

[cunning thistle]

uhhh :p

[nimble spruce]

in the 'progression' section from the main menu, commendations tab

[rugged stratus]

Escape > progress> commendations I think

[cunning thistle]

ohhhh neato....

[rugged stratus]

I'm so slow 😅

[cunning thistle]

I've done a lot of these just never claimed it lol

[nimble spruce]

yeah that's usually the case

[cunning thistle]

it crashed my game..

[nimble spruce]

correlation is not causation

[cunning thistle]

bruh xD

[cunning thistle]

The very second it finished claiming the first one I crashed

I'd say that's causation

spaghooti code

[nimble spruce]

not unless it happens every time

[cunning thistle]

bet 💸

[thorn hedge]

feel free to join the dev team, they have spots open

[cunning thistle]

I would love to fix this game

[thorn hedge]

then feel free to file an application

[loud saddle]

Squeaks for new dev position, make div great again! \o/

[thorn hedge]

proceeds to delete all user save data

[loud saddle]

but if you screw up....squeaks.....oh squeaks....

[thorn hedge]

imagine if i was a dev

[loud saddle]

is sad he doesn't have his concern emote in this server

[thorn hedge]

lmao kirra about a week or two ago someone dmed me genuinely thinking i was a dev for this game xD

[loud saddle]

🤣

[thorn hedge]

i cant make that shit up

[loud saddle]

did they rip u a new one, or just yell at u to fix stuff?

[thorn hedge]

i ignored the message request so i dont have access to it rn

but it was something actually calm

[loud saddle]

lol

[shrewd frost]

where can I access "legacy manhunt" unlocked in season reward track?

[loud saddle]

legacy manhunts are activated via their corresponding missions, you can highlight the mission and toggle "mission mode" until manhunt is active. you have roosevelt island, camp white oak, tidal basin, coney island amusement park, as well as coney island ballpark. (feel like I'm missing 1 more)

[cunning thistle]

I kept claiming the commendation and it kept crashing me until I chose to claim another one

[nimble spruce]

Jefferson Trade Centre (and the Anderson one next to Countdown)

[loud saddle]

isn't JTC a bounty though, did it use the bounty system at that time? Not a toggle mission mode. (honestly can't remember for Lewis)

[shrewd frost]

why watch level up no longer give me specialization points for every level while currently equipped specialization is not maxed out

does it have reduced effectiveness past certain point?

[thorn hedge]

? jtc was the main mission for lewis

[loud saddle]

yeah, but didn't it use the bounty take over system at that time? didn't they also change the way the final missions worked and jtc wasn't a toggle?

[thorn hedge]

i have no idea what you are referring to

[loud saddle]

lol

[thorn hedge]

what do you mean bounty takeover

[loud saddle]

how do u activate lewis manhunt....via toggle mission mode or via bounty?

[thorn hedge]

all of them are toggle mate

minus anderson because it is its own mission

the rest are toggle lol

[loud saddle]

that's why I said I couldn't remember if lewis was a toggle or bounty, cause I thought that's when they started trying to bounty system out and that finale was a bounty as well.

[thorn hedge]

the final wasnt a bounty what

in no manhunt was the final target a bounty

in every manhunt the side target was a bounty

[loud saddle]

hence the "CAN'T REMEMBER" so I didn't put it on the list originally so i wasn't giving false info....

[thorn hedge]

well now you know

[cunning thistle]

What are good weapons I should try to hunt down for striker

[thorn hedge]

everything was a toggle lol

[cunning thistle]

because I can't get anything good out of named caches

[thorn hedge]

famas with fast hands

[loud saddle]

ur mum ws a toggle ❤️

but i love u still

[thorn hedge]

what

[cunning thistle]

base famas or named

[thorn hedge]

you cant reroll the talent on burn out

[cunning thistle]

Does crafting a weapon have any downside?

[rugged stratus]

Usually low rolls

[cunning thistle]

I have the famas blueprint so I mean I guess if I have crap luck lol

[rugged stratus]

Wont hurt

[cunning thistle]

it sucked lol

[shrewd frost]

what dictate burn's damage？

[thorn hedge]

Status effects

[rugged stratus]

Status + skill damage . Fire double dips. Can also use damage to armor if target has armor

[thorn hedge]

DTTOOC and DTH also

[rugged stratus]

Not dttooc

[thorn hedge]

And any amps

[thorn hedge]

Yes dttooc

[rugged stratus]

Only oxi can use dttooc

[thorn hedge]

No

I've done it on bleed

[cinder anchor]

Have you find a fixe? I'm having the same issues. Reinstalled the game: nothing changed.

[shrewd frost]

so all sources of burn have the same base damage just different multipliers?

[foggy needle]

FYI dtooc and dth do not boost fire from skills (or bleed)

[thorn hedge]

Ah mb

[foggy needle]

iirc dtooc DOES boost bleed and fire as long as its not from a skill (ie bleed ammo, and fire ammo). but dont boost them if its from a skill.

[rugged stratus]

That sounds fairly accurate since spec ammo comes from gun.

[shrewd frost]

Status + skill damage . Fire double dips.
would you mind to elaborate further?

[rugged stratus]

Skill damage and status effect rolls.
Also can use capacitor, test subject , harmony, or and insync weapon to drive up skill damage

Skill damage raises it slightly more than equal amount of status effect but does nothing for duration like status effect

[foggy needle]

Status boosts damage and duration of those effects.
skill damage boosts their damage BUT not their duration (if the effect is caused by a skill)

[viscid dagger]

Iirc there was as a graphic of sorts made by hutchler that detailed what skills were affect by dtooc and dta

Can't seem to find it tho

[foggy needle]

its on the spreadsheet, 2nd skill tab 😛 @viscid dagger

[shrewd frost]

does they have the same contribution to base burn damage?

[rugged stratus]

Pretty close

[shrewd frost]

in term of double dip, are they multiplicative or additive?

[viscid dagger]

Ah yes spreadsheet to the rescue

[foggy needle]

multiplicative with each other

[rugged stratus]

Damage is slightly more. Like very slightly

[foggy needle]

exact same

like 50% status effect or 50% skill damage = exact same burn damage EXCEPT status also boosts the duration

[shrewd frost]

I see, is there resources available for the damage/duration calculation?

[foggy needle]

not sure if there is a guide on it but i have the formula for it 😛

[rugged stratus]

Azur got all the good stuff 😎

[viscid dagger]

Azur always has the tools

[foggy needle]

😛

heres the simple formula for skills

Simple Skill damage formula:
Base skill damage x (Sum of SD + Skill efficiency+ watch) x (Sum of skill tier boost + Skill expertise + skill mods) x TSD x Status effect (if it has one) x DTOOC (oxy + Demo fly only) x DTA (no assault turret, sniper/ striker drone) x Amp 1 x amp 2…..

SD= skill damage stat
TSD = total skill damage stat

[shrewd frost]

what is the skill efficiency here?

[foggy needle]

ie Empress 3pc and memento

[rugged stratus]

Didnt know demo firefly used dttooc, nice

Memento as well but if you're doing status you're using eclipse and the ep bag

[brazen mountain]

This may not be relevant to current conversation but if u want to put skills on steroids and are comfortable with it, try glass cannon on chest (just stock up on armour regen) and tech support on backpack.

[rugged stratus]

Glass is good, spotter and perfect spotter as well can amp skills

[shrewd frost]

is it still the case if the burn source is a weapon?

[foggy needle]

skill builds have several good chest talents tbh

HW chest decent, kinentic also good, for a few others.

[shrewd frost]

also, what's the cause of firewall flame thrower's burn seemingly much higher than other?

[foggy needle]

nope its different like drop all skill stuff from the formula (keep status effect stat though), and then add in dtooc and dta

[foggy needle]

because of balance

[shrewd frost]

I mean, surely, but how is it calculated?

or that's uncharted territory?

[viscid dagger]

I use glass on my HW seeker build

[foggy needle]

there are 3 different base damages for fire, just depends on the source.
like skills have their own,
firewall flamer has its own,
burn from say pyro talent or in game world (red barrels) and imperial dynasty are the same but also seperate from above @shrewd frost

might be 1 i missed 🤔 i think i got them all though

[shrewd frost]

I see

[tiny stump]

imperial dynastyyyyy

[dire silo]

how do i start the season? i just finished the expansion

it says i ahve to do a briefing mission

[foggy needle]

doh! but yea thats the same as burn from pryo talent line, i edited above

[tiny stump]

i dont really care i just wanted to say IMPERIAL DYNASTY

what a piece a crap eh

[shrewd frost]

also, how does perpetuation interact with eclipse indirect transmission?

[dire silo]

ive looked all over but cant find where the briefing mission is

[foggy needle]

re calc, exactly the same as skill damage formula but drop all skill stuff and add in dtooc and dta. So would be this for burns not from skills:

Base burn damage x Status effect x DTOOC x DTA x Amp 1 x amp 2…..

[shrewd frost]

in that case the base burn damage is firewall flamethrower burn base damage I assume?

[foggy needle]

no

er well Burn base damage changes based on the source. firewall flamethrower burn has its own base damage

[foggy needle]

iirc its just extra status effect stat, and EP talent happens after so they dont conflict.

ie proc perpetuation , apply the burn. target dies then EP talent procs and spreads the burn strength the target had.

[shrewd frost]

so the status effect the effect save the owner stats on application?

is it immutable?

[foggy needle]

1st part kinda yes (yes for the perpetuation talent) no for other stuff, like if you swap to a shotty after say rifle, active burn damage will go up since higher DTA.
2nd part um.. dont know that word lol

[shrewd frost]

say, one apply burn to an enemy, then swap gears around to modify it's status effect the stat and skill damage, does the burn on that enemy reflect that change?

[foggy needle]

yes it will

[shrewd frost]

what about duration?

[foggy needle]

OH

okay so duration wont change BUT damage numbers will

duration is fixed at time of application, perpetuation talent boost is also fixed at same time.

damage numbers are dynamic though, like if you swap to say shotty, damage will go up because of higher DTA (ignoring talents impact)

[rugged stratus]

You could be using something like cap right before applying then hit perpetuation before death spread. I doubt you'll see any huge difference swapping pieces.

[foggy needle]

i dont recall if perpetuation works on death spread, iirc needs to be on before status is applied

[shrewd frost]

I don't think it's a practical practice, but it's just an example situation

[rugged stratus]

It does.

I use it to bring back some of the status while fire or foam is rolling

[shrewd frost]

what if perpetuation is active on application and become active again on the spread?

does it benefit twice from perpetuation? or only once

[foggy needle]

been awhile since i tested that but i trust local on this one. so yes works on spread

[rugged stratus]

As long as it's off cooldown and proc again it will apply to whatever status is next weather from skill or death spread , or creeping spread

[foggy needle]

i know Local tests correctly, for the most part 😝:

[rugged stratus]

Lol. I know what I know but can always learn more

[shrewd frost]

if the spread spread to multiple target, does they all have the benefit or only one of them?

[foggy needle]

sorry i saw the question, but not sure what that is, my b

[rugged stratus]

That I cant answer because it usually looks like vegas.

But it all spreads at the exact same time on death so I would assume it beefs up all

Could only be one , And I would accept either if you did a test to really break it down

[foggy needle]

hmmm iirc yes they all get the benefit. because the output action counts as one action that gets buffed THEN applies to targets in range.

but that specific example i last tested back once EP went live lol soooooooo been a bit

[shrewd frost]

firewall sidearm mentioned burn resistance, what does that means for pve enemies?

[foggy needle]

ah crap.. why you got to test my memory like that lol

[rugged stratus]

It allows you to burn warhounds

[foggy needle]

i know it can break robots immune (so you can burn them) and also legendary CC resistance, but dont exactly remember the math on its function

[shrewd frost]

at reduced effectiveness?

also also, does pve enemies normally has some amount of burn resistance?

[rugged stratus]

Flamethrower heavies immune to burn, other heavies are usually out of burn or foam really quick. Just from experience, no numbers to back it tho