off-topic-discussions

[outer tapir]

its funny tho, irl im a super positive person, like i always say the future can be as good as we make it

but when im looking at films, i want the most bleak ending xd

but not just bad, i want it to be bad because its logical, not just "it happen"

[random skiff]

It's an obvious one, but have you seen The Myst?

[outer tapir]

oh yeah

i loved that one

im not a fan of horror but damn the ending really got me good

and from what i was told, its even better than the book

[random skiff]

Yeah book ending IIRC is more vague in tone, King supposedly prefers the movie ending.
I saw a cut of it once that was done in black+white and it actually adds quite a lot to the build-up.

[outer tapir]

that reminds me of spec ops the line

awesome game with awesome story and narration

[random skiff]

So many people bring that game up and just....I just can't.

[outer tapir]

why not ?

[random skiff]

I played it all the way through, I fully understood the ending (and let's be honest, I've seen Apocalypse Now, it's not exactly unique)
but just the game itself did that thing that games like that do, something that I feel is better done in movies due to the lack of direct agency given to the viewer/player.

[outer tapir]

yeah i see what you mean, but i feel that since most fps players love to just run in guns blazing, it has a good effect on them, making them doubt that approach

like when undertale subverted the rpg tropes to make us regret killing monsters

it could be a movie, but the game add the "i know how you act and i'm gonna punish you for it"

[random skiff]

I read Terry Pracchett growing up, Undertale doing it felt a little light

[outer tapir]

never read pratchett, but i know lot of people love thoses books

[random skiff]

RIP Sir Terry, I hope you have your sword now.

if you want a good intro to his style (but heavily diluted, although still close enough) go watch Good Omens.

[outer tapir]

oh i did, love it entirely

[random skiff]

it was actually a book that he co-wrote with Neil Gaiman.

[outer tapir]

the s2 ending also got me so mad haha

i wanted so much to shake aziraphale

[random skiff]

honestly, both of them are to blame there.
and how much fun was it when people who had blinders on to their obvious relationship in the first one where the showrunner went "screw it!" and just made them kiss lol.

[outer tapir]

"they look like very good freinds" energy haha

[random skiff]

somebody to love -queen starts playing over the radio as he's searching for his "good friend".
"omg, roommates!"

[outer tapir]

tbh aziraphale and crowley both have their issues, but in the end, crowley was right, he didnt do it properly, but he had the right idea, where aziraphale was completely wrong

azi just let him down

[random skiff]

Aziraphale could've seen from his perspective, but Crowley was also too stubborn to even try a different way, he didn't even directly rebel in the first place.

"i just fell in with a bad crowd"

[outer tapir]

yeah, but he still was in the truth

like, he didnt intended to be there, but he saw the truth, and that matter

where azi just keep his eyes closed

[random skiff]

Agree to disagree there. It's certainly intended to come across as both of them.

[outer tapir]

prob yeah, but i think it depends on how you look at the world you end up on a side or another

crowley is def anti establishment

where azi is more of a reformist

they both see a problem but react differently

and in the end their differences where inreconciliable

[random skiff]

Crowley is less anti-government and more anti everyone but him and Azi'.
remember he talked about going off to another planet, just them two.
I don't think they're unable to reconcile, I'd say it's more a case that it's going to take time to work out the end goal and path to get there, and that'll be in Season 3 assuming it happens.

[outer tapir]

oh yeah, hope it happens too

but idk about crowley, he talk about running away together, but in the end, that wouldnt work, azi wouldnt let them get hurt, and crowley would feel bad anyway if they left them to their doom

he didnt want to bring armageddon

and made everything to cancel it

he aint saving humans to get on azi good side, he actually cares about them, but as a whole, not personnaly

[random skiff]

Oh I meant after the problem was solved.

Actually here's a suggestion. Have you ever seen the show "Dead Like Me" ?

[outer tapir]

yes, and i was sad when i saw it cancelled :(

so i went to see 6 feet under and man, that was so good

[random skiff]

I tried it, not for me.
Dead Like Me though was pretty much for me.

[outer tapir]

right now im watching counterpart, which is pretty good tbh, might have too much the "everybody is a spy" trope tho

but its pretty good and get me some adrenaline going sometimes

[random skiff]

I'm refusing to watch the movie that got made out of it though, feels kinda "wrong"

[outer tapir]

didnt even know there was a movie made

[random skiff]

2009, so a few years later.
they couldn't get Mandy Patinkin back, so what's even the point.

[outer tapir]

oh, yeah, bad call

[random skiff]

I think he was actually quite sick at the time which is fair enough, but at that stage just delay or cancel it.

[outer tapir]

yeah, some show rely on their actors

like impossible mission and tom cruise

[random skiff]

It's like that one cop in Psych had a stroke so they made the entire 2nd movie about him getting better, which was just straight-up adorable.

[random skiff]

the fact that it was a TV series decades before the movie series is making my eye twitch reading that lol

[outer tapir]

hahahaha

its the same with battlestar galactica, i know there is an older show, but the new one was duing my childhood, so i watched this one

my parents were so mad xd

[random skiff]

I actually had planned to watch the reboot of Battlestar' myself, but literally an hour before it started: the entire neighbourhood lost power.

[outer tapir]

rofl

[random skiff]

same thing happened during the Athens opening ceremony and I was stuck sleeping in a car until 3am.

[outer tapir]

u know, it happen to me too when i wanted to watch matrix 1 the first time on tv

im glad i forced and watched it some other way

[random skiff]

There's a franchise that could've used a script advisor.

[outer tapir]

well, 2 and 3 had their pb, but they are still pretty good in themselves

the last one tho, people got mad xd

[random skiff]

Have not seen it yet, but as for the best one, I know 1 is likely better overall, but the Animatrix was something special.

[outer tapir]

not all the animatrix are great, some are mid, but some are def exceptionnal

[random skiff]

It is funny just how much of 1 was filmed in Sydney.

[outer tapir]

but if you ever watch matrix 4 be warned, it's unapologeticly spitting in your face xd

[random skiff]

I sat through Wrath of the Titans in 3D, nothing is going to cause more physical pain that that movie did.

[outer tapir]

oooooof i feel you

[random skiff]

wait I tell a lie, "the knowing" I actually walked out on.

and I watched all of Elektra.

[outer tapir]

hold on im trying to find a movie as awful or even worse, but its french (therefore its worse)

VIDOCQ

its so awful and its possible to get the 3d version which is even worse

its a visual puking-nator

[random skiff]

It's not the worst thing I've ever seen, I meant that it caused physical pain due to the 3D being kinda "broken" at the cinema I was at.

[outer tapir]

it def hurt my stomach back when i watch it

i was really not feeling well

[random skiff]

Anything John Waters kind of feels like it's going to be worse off for feeling sick, at least the weirder stuff he did.

If you know the name of the movie I'm referring to, don't type it here. Save people from it.

[outer tapir]

haha dw

i gotta go anyway

was nice talking movies with you

[hoary harbor]

Never see it plz

I genuinely fell asleep less than halfway through

[pliant carbon]

Looks like can't use any gifs here

[harsh idol]

Probably don't have the required perms for it

[pliant carbon]

:<

[harsh idol]

😔

[outer tapir]

how can you say that when its better than 90% of whats being made today

[hoary harbor]

Furiosa and alien Romulus I enjoyed a lot

Resurrections is just ass

I will say the white rabbit trailer made it look 20 times better

[outer tapir]

i mean animatrix

not matrix 4 which isnt bad but too much spitting on your face

[hoary harbor]

Ohhh I see

[full swallow]

Free guy did a number on how I watch

[outer tapir]

wym

[full swallow]

Layering or sly rhythms I can't tell if it was overall vivid

In of first hour too just wrote verbally right

[outer tapir]

i have no idea what you're talking about

[full swallow]

cool that buttery orifice orphan

[outer tapir]

u ok bud ?

[full swallow]

Instituted grain moore

[random skiff]

@full swallow You're starting to lean into the trolling rule a bit too far, tone it down.

[outer tapir]

im not even sure thoses messages are within discord tos

[full swallow]

Thanks I'll revisit policy in a few

In truth valiant cup

[lapis pier]

Ublock worked

Now i can go into fandom without making my eyes bleed

[outer tapir]

also block youtube ads

and basically almost every ad

it doesnt block twitch but other mods do

[outer tapir]

self promotion is forbidden

also reading rules would help

[tulip cypress]

@random skiff Some work

[random skiff]

Ta, although no need to call it work.

[tulip cypress]

I see people call it like that, I'll skip it

[lapis pier]

And it can be used on Firefox mobile. Another reason to use firefox

[lusty ore]

where can i report someone

someone in this disc just dm'd me some crazy stuff lol

[random skiff]

PM Modmail with proof and the mod team can act on it.

[lusty ore]

oh i dm'd you sorry lol

[lapis pier]

Shotgun is the best weapon type

There is so much ammo types that you can use

And its very easy to operate

[sacred snow]

im not sure how accurate this is irl but shotguns in semi realism video games like tarkov and ABI dont go through good armor

its gonna hurt like hell being hit by one while wearing a good plate but afaik they dont go through armor very well

[lapis pier]

Even with flechette?

[sacred snow]

in video games where flechettes have effects on armor they seem to only work up to a certain point,though maybe its for balancing purpose

like in ABI they can only penetrate level 3 body armor which seems to be metal

[lapis pier]

Huh, i think i need to look up some vid on yt because i dont belive that nobody would do a test of penetration

I dont expect it to be a .50cal or something but it still interesting

[sacred snow]

you’d think that if it just rips through kevlar law enforcement would prefer them over standard rifles and SMGs

but then again im not a cop so idk

[sacred snow]

https://blog.playstation.com/2024/09/03/an-important-update-on-concord/

totally the talentless freaks’s fault

[outer tapir]

who's talentless freak ?

[sacred snow]

apparently everyone who didn’t like the game according to one of the devs on twitter

guess who’s talentless now

also guess who’s about to be jobless

imagine spending 8 years on an overwatch ripoff

[outer tapir]

from what i know, game isnt bad, its just the same as the others

[sacred snow]

40 dollars btw

[outer tapir]

overwatch was 40$

[sacred snow]

now its free

[outer tapir]

and devs dont decide the price

[sacred snow]

didn’t help with that attitude tbh

[outer tapir]

i saw devs litterally insult players on other games, they didnt care, they still play

people play games they like, they dont care about what devs say

[sacred snow]

obviously not enough of people like it

[outer tapir]

nobody played it, they sure wont like it xd

[sacred snow]

there’s this stupid game about squirrel with a gun

it had more concurrent player than concord

[outer tapir]

yeah, its not the same genre

for concord the pb is oversaturated market, no com, no marketing, no feature that says "im different"

[sacred snow]

single player game vs live service

[outer tapir]

and 40$ obv for a genre where its f2p usually

[sacred snow]

thats a colossal failure in my books

[outer tapir]

yeah it is a failure, it couldnt go any other way

even if the game was fabulous it woudl have failed

i saw the trailer for the game

if there was not the name for it, i wouldnt be able to tell you what looter shooter it is

the trailer is so generic

[sacred snow]

the devs that worked on it also worked on destiny so

[outer tapir]

helldivers 2 trailer in comparison was all you want a trailer to be : define your game, fun, full of references, packed with action, etc

[sacred snow]

its basically destiny pvp if the playerbase dont have stockholm syndrome lmao

[outer tapir]

unlucky, both are bad

the studio i mean

the layoffs at bungie were insane

[sacred snow]

i mean would there be a difference lmao

[sacred snow]

they’re working on a mobile destiny game

they learned NOTHING from the past round of layoffs and TFS

[outer tapir]

meh

bungie doing bungie things

[sacred snow]

i cant wait for bungie to be dissolved into sony

[outer tapir]

nah, let it die, they got too big now they dont do what they used to

let other studio do their thing but better

[sacred snow]

same fate in my eyes

destiny era bungie started by wanting to stand on their own

now they will go down being a puppet

[outer tapir]

the pb is, they got too big too fast

they couldnt handle it

[sacred snow]

20k people on d2 rn

the playerbase has reverted back to pre final shape

[outer tapir]

but now, aside from very few title like div 2, i mostly play indie games, cause im tired of the same old formula the big studio have

i want new stuff

i want undertale like type of new

fk my mind

[sacred snow]

im just not interested in gaming rn until they either announce the next battlefield or ghost recon

which is like,5 years minimum until i can get my hands on them

[outer tapir]

next bf will be next year prob

they usually do them pretty fast

[sacred snow]

yea but like

[outer tapir]

but i dont know if it will be good

[sacred snow]

never buy a battlefield game at launch

[outer tapir]

cause last one was garbage

bf1 and bfv were great tho

[sacred snow]

its not just 2042
4,5,1 launched like shit

like the first month the game is flat out unplayable with all the issues around them

DICE standard

[outer tapir]

i mean, thats for most live service games

there is an old saying : patch day no play

[sacred snow]

and then you wait like 2 years for them to fill the game up to a playable state

[outer tapir]

and look div today xd

[sacred snow]

then EA drops it and move on

i actually enjoyed 2042 more than 4 and 1

4 maps are meh people only play locker

[outer tapir]

i played 2042 and i saw the horrible state of the balance

[sacred snow]

every bf game had horrible balance tbh

[outer tapir]

like anti tank class was unable to kill a tank, assault class could kill tanks, planes/helicopters are broken, etc

[outer tapir]

not to this degree

2042 balance is the worst i saw in decades

[sacred snow]

like you ever seen that clip of a bf5 bomber doing a mere 42 damage on a direct hit on a tank

[sacred snow]

fym assault can kill tanks

they have 2 c4s vs engies having 3

or 5 rockets
or 2 tv rockets+3 c4

[outer tapir]

im talking vs engies rockets

[sacred snow]

oh you mean they overtuned vehicles?

[outer tapir]

i tried killing a lone tank as engeneer, i used ALL my ammo, the tank was still operating and functionnal

and then assault can just put c4 and dip out and tank is gone if its a light one

heavy ones just dont die at all

[sacred snow]

remind me how much rocket does it take to nuke a tank in past titles

[outer tapir]

depending where you hit, 2 shots could be enough

[sacred snow]

im not sure which patch you played it on cuz i dont feel like tanks are as bad

i cant think of a current assault setup that can solo a tank

[outer tapir]

idk i played when it was on sale, i asked for a refund like 1h later after that debacle

maybe now its changed and they cant do that

[sacred snow]

i think i know what you’re talking about now

they nerfed vehicles a bit and also assault

but yea i wasn’t there fair nuf

[outer tapir]

it was too late tbh, everyobdy already stopped playing

[sacred snow]

idk i just feel like its one of the more enjoyable bf games ive played

[outer tapir]

there is no update coming to 2042 now cause not enough players

[sacred snow]

they moved on like…any other game

4 1 5 i dun get your point here

which sucks but its the status quo forever now

i think 5 is arguably the best one if servers aren’t filled with hackers

[outer tapir]

it sucks for me cause i like the post apo setting, i wanted the game to be good, i would have played it endlessly

[sacred snow]

yea they had such a good setting

[outer tapir]

but they decided to do the worst thing possible : multiplayer only, no campaing, no maps, no balance, no story, nothing

even the trailer was good, like real good not like concord

[sacred snow]

like genuinely i last played bf5 a year ago and every lobby i joined has an aimbot wallhacker

[outer tapir]

they winked at the playerbase doing trickshots, they were saying "we got you fam"

[sacred snow]

in their defense story has never been bf’s strong point

[outer tapir]

i disagree

[sacred snow]

4 sucked,1 is ok

[outer tapir]

bf1 and 5 story were awesome

[sacred snow]

5 is meh

[outer tapir]

nah, bf5 story were perfect

[sacred snow]

the only good part of bf5 campaign was the last panzer

[outer tapir]

yeah this part was great

[sacred snow]

the other parts are so lame

[outer tapir]

nah, i disagree hard man

theyw erent as good but they were still good

[sacred snow]

also ww2 game with no soviets is criminal

[sacred snow]

i think they’re just not as great

[outer tapir]

not as great isnt the same as lame

[sacred snow]

my 2nd favorite is the one with the black soldiers in the french army

[outer tapir]

that i agree

[sacred snow]

its still kinda lame cuz i hardly care bout them

and then i play last panzer and my mind was blown

[outer tapir]

yeah, its very close to the truth with what really happenned back then

[sacred snow]

like they put 110% effort into it

[outer tapir]

african soldiers were treated like shit back then

it so good they made it not sanitized

[sacred snow]

tfw they just cropped the parts with the black soldiers in it

[outer tapir]

irl they did worse, they just took them apart before doing a picture

and sent them to die

[sacred snow]

💀

[outer tapir]

thoses who rebelled and asked for pay after got executed

even the civilians in africa under french rule who were celebrating the end of the war got killed

cause they were doing too much noise

not a great time

but i think this is closing the border of subjets we cant talk about in this discord

cause politics

[sacred snow]

yup

anywho i was saying that 5 wasn’t really clicking the entire time

it was boring until the 2 final story

[outer tapir]

i didnt play the last story

after the panzer one

i should try it

[sacred snow]

nah the panzer is the last one no?

[outer tapir]

ah ? maybe im mistaken then

it was a long time ago i dont remember well

[sacred snow]

yea the 2 last one are the French stuff and panzer

[outer tapir]

ok well then i played them all

[sacred snow]

overall its like a 7

which is like,mid

[outer tapir]

nah, 5 is mid, 7 is good

[sacred snow]

you know what is awful tho?
battlefield 4 “story”

[outer tapir]

yeah we dont talk about that

xd

tbh, aside from stuff like titanfall 2, or spec ops the line, shooters with a good story as rare af

[sacred snow]

finally someone made a US vs China themed story and it sucked like why

[outer tapir]

cause politics

[sacred snow]

i think what bf stories struggle with is that they will always have a cool setting

[outer tapir]

people want to shoot stuff, but they dont want to know why

[sacred snow]

and then fumble it by having a story hardly anyone gives a shit

its not even because muh politics the story structure was awful

you dont know whats the grander narrative is half the time

[outer tapir]

yeah but thats because politics, you cant have war without politics

war dont happen in the void

like in fallout, its different factions fighting for power

[sacred snow]

the mcguffin isn’t even shown until the very last 15 minutes of the story

we dont even know who or whats the mcguffin

it ended so abruptly i audibly yelled THATS IT?

[outer tapir]

yeah, its always the same, you fight for something nobody cares about, you fight people nobody know who theya re or why they fight, etc

cause if you think, then you need to udnerstand who you're fighting

[sacred snow]

nah like the story is just not coherent

[outer tapir]

and why you're fighting

[outer tapir]

it cant be coherent when there is none xd

[sacred snow]

for something inherently political you at least understand what the story is about

like og modern warfare was aggressively anti russian

and they had a good enough story imo,especially 3

at least i can remember it

[outer tapir]

its like for the division, the story is fine, and they go into actual conversation about who's actually in power, and how they deserve power or not, but thats just so rare/buried into everything, its not interesting

modern warfare is a different story, its mostly cause of respawn

i mean the devs that quit to made respawn

they made titanfall

[sacred snow]

McManus has no authority nor is he recognized by anyone other than his fanclub

if anything he’s a terrorist

[outer tapir]

yeah but thats not how politics work, anyone can be the president if you kill your opponents

[sacred snow]

by the chains of command he’s like nest to the bottom of the succession line

its never even elaborated on why he has power

[outer tapir]

there is no definition for terrorist in the world actually, so by default, you can call anyone you dont like a terrorist

[sacred snow]

why isn’t he manipulated by Nat like Ellis did

[outer tapir]

for nat, we are terrorists

for mc manus too

[sacred snow]

ok how bout criminals

[outer tapir]

not if they have immunity

presidents are immune to justice

see how its fked up ?

[sacred snow]

he ain’t a president tho

[outer tapir]

doesnt matter, he needs someone to become president, like nat, and she can pardon him instantly

thats why isac doesnt let us kill ellis

[sacred snow]

no way dn is blacklisted

[random skiff]

Okay this is #off-topic-discussions, move along.

[outer tapir]

but isnt it offtopic ?

or you mean div universe

[sacred snow]

i was ranting about battlefield

where was i

[outer tapir]

yeah we got side tracked pretty fast xd

but i gotta go anyway, its time to eat

[sacred snow]

bye

[shy vine]

Hey does anyone know if name changes to twitch accounts are automatic on third party platforms like PlayStation?

[radiant wharf]

I love seeing Ubisoft stock crashes after star wars outlaws

[torpid pilot]

Losers they are haha

[analog shadow]

Is it actually going down?

[radiant wharf]

Yup, their stock hasn't been that low since 2015

Check for yourself
https://www.google.com/search?q=ubisoft+stock&oq=ubisoft+stock&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCDU1NTFqMGo5qAIAsAIB&client=ms-android-motorola-rvo3&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

[analog shadow]

Damn

That is not good

[outer tapir]

time to buy some stocks

or finally close the studio down

[radiant wharf]

Well, that's what they got for keeping making meh games. And the "game jornalists Reviews" are just another factor

[analog shadow]

Imo its was around 2018 when things dipped and they stopped caring

Every year it gets worse

[radiant wharf]

They even tried to silencer the "haters" on the outlaws subreddit (the mods there, not the devs)

[outer tapir]

tbh, ubisoft games arent that bad, but they clearly chew more than they could bite

they clearly are better at doing smaller games with heavy creatives idea

instead of triple/quadruple a that are boring

[radiant wharf]

Ubi creates the games of all times

[outer tapir]

i mean, have you seen the haters ? very bigoted for most of them

"muh women in my vidya game"

im tired of them

[analog shadow]

Look at wildlands, its a very basic ass game and its even objectively less involved than the previous game, yet a lot of people still play it and look back at it fondly, because even though its just basic ubisoft open world game, its good

[outer tapir]

yeah but they always go for bigger

[radiant wharf]

Haters by their definition, not mine

[outer tapir]

when they jsut cant

[analog shadow]

Its not even the fault of the devs its the executives who don’t know anything about game development

[radiant wharf]

The old days were better ngl.

[outer tapir]

oh dont get me wrong i dont blame the dev, i def blame the execs that are doing all the mistakes every exec does in gaming

they always ask for more

and devs just cant do what they dream cause execs dream of piles of money

[analog shadow]

Breakpoint

[radiant wharf]

Respawn is a good example of that, angel on devil's hands basically.

[outer tapir]

respawn isnt what they used to be

the devs that founded respawn arent there anymore

thats why now its apex, a generic hero shooter battle royale

[analog shadow]

I mean jedi fallen order and survivor are both great games so they CAN make good games

[outer tapir]

which is a good game, but generic

fallen order is pretty cool, but its different, its a game made by people that love starwars, AND, without execs asking for more shit

they said "make something good", then didnt care

for apex, they did care, they said "bring money or else"

[analog shadow]

I love how dead space remake came out, was amazing, and now they aren’t making dead space 2 remake

[outer tapir]

they still had leeway like they can do whatever they want, but it has to bring money, it cant flop

[radiant wharf]

The thing is, they cancelled TF3 to make apex but EA wasn't planning to make apex in the first place. I wonder who gave the order at respawn HQ.

[outer tapir]

vince did iirc

im fine with apex existing, its not a pb, its just a game, and its not bad

but yeah tf3 not happenning is sad

but apex got too big for respawn

now they resort to all the other big studio methods, cause money

[radiant wharf]

Apex was a good choice but on the Short run, battle royale hype and that kinda of stuff

[outer tapir]

yeah prob

but still im kinda sad

live service games are usually bad/not as good

i played apex, and div, but its just too time consuming, or money grabbing

[radiant wharf]

Is even more sad seeing that from the 100 million members the ADV network has, less than 5000 are active, even on weekends (Playstation I mean)

[outer tapir]

adv ?

[radiant wharf]

It's like a clan system on Titanfall 2, ADV is the default one that every player gets, after connecting the first time on the multiplayer.

[outer tapir]

ah advocate network

[radiant wharf]

Yup

[outer tapir]

yeah tf2 bombed at launch cause time of release

few days before and it would have crushed everything

and actual marketing too

but whatever, its over now, tf is dead

[radiant wharf]

Heroes don't die, they just become legends in our memories...

[outer tapir]

i wish

[hoary harbor]

Bruh

Did they confirm 2 was never coming

[sacred snow]

iirc dead space remake people are now on the battlefield team

i honestly still think that 2042 not having a campaign isn't that big of a problem

its just drawing resources away from the multiplayer which is where 90% of people are at

sure they didnt have one because it was made in less than 2 years but generally bf campaigns have been meh

you can only list a few segments that are good

yall remember bf4?me neither

at least bf2025 has a dedicated team for campaign so no resource is actually being drawn away from multiplayer

but then again they could've just ignore that and give us ds2 remake(please EA)

[outer tapir]

thats not a valid point, a game can have low player count and still be a blast to play

also bf 1/5 campaings were great

you dont need a perfect campaing, but thats just empty

also multiplayer is supposed to have lore

but ingame lore is "world is bad, now kill"

[sacred snow]

if they cant write a compelling story or make a memorable campaign outside of like 2 segments per campaign then yeaaaaaaa i dont think they should really focus on it

you know its kinda basic logic

do what you do best

[hoary harbor]

I really liked 3 but I never played any of the rest

I also remember it feeling very similar to MOH warfighter

[random skiff]

I can't recall if it was 3 or 4, but it had the exact same premise as that game "Black", with a solider being interrogated after a mission was done, but the enemy didn't really die and you had to end things.

[hoary harbor]

Yeah I think 3s campaign was a whole memory recollection kinda deal and the prologue/ending was the only stuff happening in real time

[random skiff]

Okay so 3 then.
Still a solid game if you can get your hands on it. To this day, probably the loudest guns I've ever fired in a game.

[hoary harbor]

Yeah the sound design in that game is bombastic

Warfighter too

[random skiff]

That one I can't get behind, mostly due to the name.

And I even like the song that was tied into it.

For those who haven't had the pleasure, you start Black with the loudest pistol in all of video-games.

[sacred snow]

thats 3 and it ends with you stopping a nuke from going off in New York or something

i honestly do not remember it

something something evil terrorist guy

you work with this Russian to stop ww3(which it happens anyway because bf4)

[random skiff]

It won't beat that Battlefield that starts with the Bonnie Tyler song, so I'm kinda indifferent.

4, that's it.

[wooden lantern]

hi y'all how's everyone doing?

[torpid pilot]

Doing good.

[wooden lantern]

good to know

[outer tapir]

But what they do best was bad so what's your point ?

[sacred snow]

its still(shocking i know) better than the last 3 battlefield stories

like it has tidbits that are good whatever theres good in every bad thing

but i dont see people post shit bout “how bf campaigns are underrated” or look at them as fondly as something like an older cod campaign

they just simply cant cook thats all

like they’d always have this really cool premise/setting

and then fumble it harder than your bro fumbling the baddie he saw at the bar

[random skiff]

Slightly creepy analogy aside, some people like them, some don't. It's all subjective.

[sacred snow]

yea but its not wrong to say that they’re in the minority

also i read that as creepy analog for a second

[random skiff]

div2 is also niche, how many people enjoy something doesn't mean that thing is any less enjoyable to the people who like it.
Let people enjoy things, there's no need to punch-down, there's already enough hate out there.

[outer tapir]

then look better, we talked about bf 1/5 and how their camping were great

critics also acclaimed thoses campaings

compare it to cod campaings that are downright awful

saying they cant cook is a blatant lie

especially when they made us feel sympathy for german soldiers doing bad stuff in ww2

like for real remember cod infinte campaing ?

you gonna tell me its better than any bf ?

[random skiff]

Okay this is getting too heated, you're both just arguing across an arbitrary line.

Play nice.

[radiant wharf]

I'm just curious, did you feel offended by that joke I made on general chat because you're a storyteller? Or because you thought I was roasting ryan?

[outer tapir]

how dare you roast ryan gosling my beloved

[radiant wharf]

I wasn't, that's the thing

[outer tapir]

yeah you better

ryan gosling is the best thing that ever happen on earth

we should have a special holiday in his honor

[sacred snow]

im ngl i passed out on bed mid convo

you still wanna do it or nah

[hoary harbor]

I literally can't think of Ryan gosling as anything other than the driver

[hoary harbor]

I only remember it because you shoot your superior in one level

That was a pretty memorable moment

[random skiff]

He's pretty good in The Nice Guys, although obvious props to Barbie.

[soft wave]

@ everyone, Linkin Park has a New Vocalist, and they released a New Song! https://youtu.be/SRXH9AbT280?si=9V1X3tkw_5U2GZTa

[hoary harbor]

RIP Chester

[soft wave]

Name of the new vocalist is someone called Emily Armstrong, apparently she had a band called "Dead Sara".

[hoary harbor]

Oh the people that did weatherman

[random skiff]

Okay she's got a solid voice, I'm still unsold on LP continuing without Chester+Rob, but if this is the direction they have to take, I'll give them a fair go.

[outer tapir]

To me he is Ken now

[random skiff]

Recently started my semi-annual rewatch of Supernatural.
it's aged shockingly well so far.

[outer tapir]

thats the show where dean dies at some point ?

[random skiff]

That very much does not narrow it down lol.

these characters die more than red-shirts from Star Trek.

[hoary harbor]

Must die a lot then lmao

Person of interest is something I often go back to watch

[sacred snow]

Ryan Gostling being Ken is kinda kino

[outer tapir]

yeah that was the joke xd

[outer tapir]

?

[sacred snow]

you know

kino as in the slang

[outer tapir]

i am not english native and also im old

i have no slang

[sacred snow]

its like good

but really really good

when you say kino is like saying peak

[sour moon]

Looks like Division 3 is starting development soon

[sacred snow]

Soon™️

70 dollars for the next AAAAA game

[sour moon]

Id gladly buy it for $70, $90, $120 😀

[outer tapir]

is this the new way of kids saying "no cap" ?

[random skiff]

I stopped learning slang some time around wallet-chains.

[sacred snow]

no cap is like no shit

as in no shit sherlock

cap is like lies n shit

[hoary harbor]

Kino is a German word iirc

[random skiff]

Isn't that a diet?

[frozen sparrow]

yes, actually, it was pretty fun
could choose your own loadout, optional side missions, spaceship combat was pretty fun, secret unlockable weapons, looked great, plot was eh alright

overall solid

[sacred snow]

i think claiming any battlefield campaign as generally good is controversial at best

like sure cod is shit but they have a few more good story on their belts right

[hoary harbor]

Keto I believe

[hoary harbor]

This

Infinite warfare's campaign is my favourite in the entire franchise

Plot was kinda weak but the characters were great and everything else was super solid

[frozen sparrow]

if only the multiplayer wasn't p2w bollocks, IW would be remembered as a great CoD or at least generally good CoD

[hoary harbor]

That and it being released as the third advanced movement game in a row

[keen citrus]

Hello, anyone here can help me with the login problems? Looks like my accounts has been blocked with new updates and im trynna log since yesterday, cant reach to support cause i cant logg, any way i can fix this?

[outer tapir]

thats not controversial, bf 1 and 5 campaing are criticlly acclaimed ?

you not liking it doesnt make it controversial

[sacred snow]

5 had like 2 good parts and the rest are extremely mid we had this discussion earlier

and i have never seen anyone talk about bf1 campaign and even if its good its lighting in a bottle

lets do a head count

2,3,4,5,bc,bc2,1942,2142

so thats…1 and a half game(im giving you bf1 and 2 stories of bf5 as ,5)

out of 8 games

right

the controversy around 2042 not having a campaign stems from DICe claiming that they want to focus on multiplayer more

[tired gust]

Has the internet lied to me back in the day everyone told me to stay away from the division yet i tried it recently its quite enjoyable?

[sacred snow]

depends on your definition of back in the day

like 2016 back in the day or 2019 back in the day?

div1 launch was kinda messy

[tired gust]

Around launch time

For the div 1

Everyone kept telling me after that fiasco that div 2 was more or less the same

Also the manny guy sounds like the rainbow six beginning of round announcer

[outer tapir]

no, we didnt

you just stated your opinion as if it was facts, but it isnt

just cause you dont see people tlaking about it doesnt mean its bad

especially when at the time it came out, it was huge, people were talking about it a lot and about how realistic it was

and also bigoted people didnt like the fact you could play black people lol

[outer tapir]

yeah i know they didnt want to do a campaing to focus on multiplayer, and that was a bad decision : they could do good campaing, they did bad multiplayer

just cause they did bad campaing for 20 years prior doesnt mean they cant do a good one after, bf 1 and 5 proved it

so if they can do good stuff, they should do it, not focus on the garbage stuff they did

[sacred snow]

its a widely accepted opinion that bf5 was aggressively mid,just look up any gameplay footage of bf5 without the panzer part.
and yea bigoted people is also a part of it but with most cases they’re a loud obnoxious minority.
the game looked visually stunning that is true,but whats being addressed here is the overall quality of it,which is kinda meh given the mostly lackluster story and generic gameplay(also braindead bots that makes CoD bots look like skynet lol)

[outer tapir]

you cant say "its widely accepted" out of the void man

[sacred snow]

they used it as a bs excuse to not do a campaign because 2042 had less than 2 years of development,making a campaign would just add unnecessary bloat to the workload.
you think launch 2042 was bad?imagine if they had to pull even more resources into making a half ass singleplayer mode thats gonna be another 6/10 like bf4 or 80% of bf5

[sacred snow]

i kinda can if i just do a quick google search about it,look it on reddit or read comments on youtube

[outer tapir]

yeah but no, youtube and reddit are not "the people"

especially when reddit is so bigoted

[sacred snow]

oh so who’s “the people” then in your opinion

[outer tapir]

the players as a whole

its like saying this discord is the entire div 2 playerbase

[sacred snow]

and no bigotry isn’t a point people liked black characters before

[outer tapir]

that would be insane to say that

[sacred snow]

people like the black guy from bf4 too does that sound like bigotry to you

[outer tapir]

im talking about bigots on reddit in general, they really are the scum of the earth

i got so many death threats there

[sacred snow]

find me another platform that lets people express their opinion on a product

[sacred snow]

oh damn

[outer tapir]

https://www.metacritic.com/game/battlefield-1/

that already a much better place

like reddit is so bad if i looked only at that for games i would play 0 games ever

last subreddit i was in, helldivers 2 was complaining so much you'd think the game is so bad nobody is playing it

[sacred snow]

7.3

thats like,mid no?

[outer tapir]

no, 5 is mid

[sacred snow]

and i already took bf1 being good as a given

[outer tapir]

also look at critics

88/100 is def good

[sacred snow]

yea right cuz critics are totally worth listening to

[outer tapir]

yes, they are

[sacred snow]

not just bf btw critics for most video games are eh

[outer tapir]

thats the entire point of critics

[sacred snow]

yea right like the same critics that gave Wukong a 7 lol?

[outer tapir]

it doesnt mean you will like the game, it mean its critically acclaimed

[outer tapir]

so ?

[sacred snow]

IGN is a critic too and they gave alien isolation a 5

[outer tapir]

also they gave wukong 81 not 7

[sacred snow]

point is critics are usually not as reliable as the actual players

[outer tapir]

players gave it 7.9

[sacred snow]

not IGN i was referring to whatever page that listed “not enough DEI” in it

[outer tapir]

so you'd say critics are bad for saying its better than players think it is ?

[sacred snow]

actually?yea

[outer tapir]

https://www.metacritic.com/game/black-myth-wukong/

why

you just said 2s before they are bad for saying its not good enough

now you say they are bad for syaing its good enough

make up your mind man

[sacred snow]

what?

my point is that critics are unreliable

[outer tapir]

from my pov, you are unreliable

you say whatever is good for you in the moment even if it contradicts you 2s later

[sacred snow]

they’re people after all and its not like there’s a certificate for ranking video games

im using that to reference how critics are unreliable

[outer tapir]

so are gamers

[outer tapir]

but they arent, thats the point, you are the one unreliable

you said critics are wrong on a game and when i prove you they arent, you say "thats the point"

[sacred snow]

so the people that actually buy and play the games are less reliable than this “critic” who has no certificate or anything that qualifies them as one?

IGN gave concord an 8 btw

[outer tapir]

and ?

concord isnt bad

it flopped cause there was no marketing + oversaturated genre

doesnt mean the game is bad

commercial succes never meant good game

[sacred snow]

it kinda is when you actually watch reviews from people that play it for more than 3 hours

saturated market doesn’t help that the game is straight up awful from a gameplay design standpoint

deadlock isn’t even released yet and it had 100k players

[outer tapir]

source ?

[outer tapir]

yeah and ?

commercial success doesnt mean good game

i said it before, no correlation between both

[sacred snow]

literally watch any review by people who actually played the game extensively?
i can recommend skill up

[outer tapir]

tons of good games have no players

tons of bad games have players

[outer tapir]

so, a critic then ?

sounds like you defend them after all

[sacred snow]

commercial success means people actually like the game for it to yknow “succeed”?

[outer tapir]

not even close

[sacred snow]

most of the critics barely play the game past 3 hours thats le point

[outer tapir]

like, its so far from the truth

[outer tapir]

source for that claim too ?

[sacred snow]

concord being an 8

[outer tapir]

yeah, so no source

you just make shit up when its convenient

[sacred snow]

like you keep asking for source when you can just look it up dude

[outer tapir]

yeah but i did looked it up, and it gave me the opposite of what you said

and when i showed it to you, you were like "oh damn"

and acted as if it was what you meant

thats why i say you make shit up and are unreliable

[sacred snow]

why should i listen to someone who has no background whatsoever in reviewing video games when i can watch someone who actually does a deep dive into it? https://youtu.be/vRrWp_MVAxU?si=Q6WVpEh5G0GWpT1N

[outer tapir]

"wukong got a 7/10" when players say its 10/10"
no it didnt, it got a 8+ from critics and 7.9 from players

see, you cant stop

"critics are good when i like what they say"

"critics that disagree with me are bad"

[sacred snow]

dude you just said reddit is a toxic cesspool and that you got death threats from it and i said “oh damn” to that message before explaining that you CANNOT dismiss an entire platform because a chunk of them are toxic

if anything you’re the one making shit up right here

[outer tapir]

i will completely dismiss them and i proved to you why

i aint making shit up, i proved my points

you didnt, you just said "one critic agree with me"

i proved my points with data and facts

not "one guy on youtube said stuff i agree"

you still havent proved bf 1/5 are bad or that players said its bad

i did proved its not the case

so stop amking shit up and accept facts as they are presented

on that note, im going back to sleep its late

dont forget its triple xp week you gotta farm that juicy shd lvl

[sacred snow]

ok i was saying that it was given a 7 by a “critic”
which i had to look it up(its screenrant)
and its a 3/5 so uh,gg?
it was less of a claim and more of a talking point

[sacred snow]

what if i post multiple different critic reviews for this game up that happens to contradicts your critic’s review?

that alone is enough to disprove your point about critics being reliable

you claiming that im making things up when your “source and statistics” is a single website that can contradict with other multiple critics is…,an interesting logic to say the least

what makes your critic more reliable than another critic?
its almost as if people have different opinions on things and that alone nullifies the idea that critics are equal
watch the concord review by ign and see how many people disagree with that
look up how the game actually plays instead of instantly dismissing all criticism as bigotry and “saturated market” when its just a really meh game,ive seen uglier games that has more concurrent players

“stop making shit up” yea someone’s gotta take their own word in

gg see you later

not stoked til dlc

they can quadruple my xp and im still not logging on

ok new topic

destiny player count has fallen to a new low

[insert image of Kratos offering his life to Ares]

SONY
DESTROY BUNGIE AND MY WALLET IS YOURS

[frozen sparrow]

i remember they put out a trailer for bf1 showcasing that one with the tank, calling in artillery on themselves. the comments were saying, it was so tragic and dramatic, and shitting on cod iw.
then the game comes out, turns out the tank survived undercutting any sense of drama in that scene and cod iw did drama and death pretty well especially in comparison

[analog shadow]

I feel bad for bungie

They dug themselves into this hole

[random skiff]

I blame Sony, but then again that's a good blanket statement for most things.

[analog shadow]

Whats the worst is that the most recent paid dlc was probably the best thing they’ve released since halo and it undersold lightfall

[analog shadow]

Nah sony isn’t to blame at all

If anything sony is getting hurt by purchasing bungie

They did it to combat xbox buying activision

And they spent way too much money for essentially empty promises

[random skiff]

The story is never as simple as it sounds, I'm sure in 10-20 years we'll find out that there was something else going on.

[analog shadow]

The ceo of bungie was buying expensive vintage cars before a 200 person layoff

Thats just one of the more recent examples

[soft wave]

Concord is GONE!

[soft wave]

That's legitimate to do. His money, His choices of spending.

[outer tapir]

thats not what critic being reliable mean, critics arent a single shared brain man, they have different tastes and likings

[modest pebble]

air cooled 911 > studio workers

[outer tapir]

my critic isnt 1 critic, thats the point, its the ensemble

[random skiff]

The issue here is not that he's spending his money, it's that he was still receiving that money during severe company downtime.
Spending $2.4 million on cars whilst the company laid off almost 1/4 of it's workforce is the problem.

[outer tapir]

ceo shouldnt have millions of dollar of salary

[random skiff]

It also comes across as he probably got a cut of their newly freed up salaries, implying that part of the reason they were let go was to increase his own.

[outer tapir]

tbh nobody should, we shouldnt have people starving in the street while some dude buy his third golden toilet

[modest pebble]

thats just not how the world works

[frozen sparrow]

"such are the heady joys of consumer capitalism" or some sh_t- lester gta 5

[random skiff]

It's kind of amazing that some people miss that the GTA series is satire.

I mean, it started out as a british studio, of course it's snarky.

[outer tapir]

i mean some people think starship troopers and helldivers arent satire and they praise military

at some point you just cant make it more obvious

[random skiff]

The issue with the former of those is that the original book wasn't.

[outer tapir]

yeah, but the movie def was

like its not even close

but people still cant see it

[analog shadow]

Don’t forget he invited a bunch of workers to view his cars and some of which proceeded to get let off a few days after

[outer tapir]

same with the boys recently

[frozen sparrow]

i should play more ST:Extermination
but it's probably still unstable asf

[outer tapir]

the pb with satire is that it requires media litteracy

and most people dont have it

[random skiff]

I'm going to step away from this conversation. The subtleties of satire are too complex for sound bites.

[modest pebble]

eh

its the same as jokes/comedy

[outer tapir]

not really, you dont need to study/learn to make jokes

you do need it for satire

thats why people nowadays say satire is dead, cause you can present the most obvious satire ever, making fun of a group of bad people, and thoses people will be like "damn thats funny they make fun of the other guys"

[modest pebble]

make jokes that work? yea. Anyone can come up with something random but It wont actually land

[outer tapir]

you can joke about anything, its not hard, better jokes need context/information/literracy but basic jokes can work

doesnt mean they are like awesome, but they work

satire is much more complex

its aimed at a certain group, not everyone, and if that group doesnt get it, then its bad

"Satire requires a clarity of purpose and target lest it be mistaken for and contribute to that which it intends to criticize"

[frank fjord]

I have found the greatest name of all time. The almighty "Shabingles"

[modest pebble]

I mean basic saitre also exists that most people understand. I find saitre mainly doesnt work not becuase of media literacy but because people become immediately offended when its about them. Less about literacy more about fragile feelings.

jokes kinda do the same thing. A "joke" can be bad because you dont like it same way saitre can be

[outer tapir]

yeah but people better be offended when its about them, thats the point of satire

litterrally

satire that doesnt offend people in power isnt satire its just bad

[modest pebble]

when people become offended they take it at face value, which isnt the point of saitre

[outer tapir]

it doesnt matter, they should be offended, thats the point of satire, they should feel bad for what they do

satire mocks people of power

bad people

not like everyday joe

[modest pebble]

but do people? no they get mad at the other side

[outer tapir]

when satire exist its made to criticize bad people, if they get mad at the other side, its because they get called out

its like a bully in school is mad at the guy he bullied cause he said he got bullied

yeah ofc he will get mad, he aint a good person

the point is to call him out

satire doesnt exist to shit on oppressed people, its the opposite

[modest pebble]

Yes, the reason people dont recognize it isnt because of illiteracy its because of emotions was my point

[outer tapir]

yeah, but as i said, its not the point of satire at all

we dont care about them

im talking about the rest of thoses not targeted by it

who still dont understand that its satire

[outer tapir]

also people dont recognize it not cause of emotions, they like it, cause they think its true, and not cause they udnerstand its satire

[modest pebble]

Its not always that deep but I get you

[outer tapir]

its not deep, thats litterally what satire is

look at the boys, after season 4 people didnt like the way things were going cause it wasz making fun of them the entire time but they never get it, until season 4 when they made it so obvious even they couldnt miss it

before that, they saw bad stuff happen and thought "wow so true lol"

instead of understanding the show saying its bad

thats why satire is dead

[modest pebble]

I havent watched the boys but these are mainly children

Cling on to anything radical

[outer tapir]

what ?

its not children what do you mean ?

[modest pebble]

the people who reacted with "wow so true" are mostly children

[outer tapir]

no, they are mostly conservative men

30+

kids dont understand the concepts of the boys

or whats the satire about

[modest pebble]

tbh ive never seen anyone confirmably over the age of 15 take the boys at complete face value

[outer tapir]

and i woudlnt blame children for not having media litteracy, cause they are children

[outer tapir]

you def didnt see the rest, cause trust me, they're here, and they are a problem

they are the kind of people that say stuff i cant repeat on here cause like 40% of it is considered hate speech and 90% of it wouldnt pass tos of discord or rules of this server

i get regular death threat from them, cause im not like them

[modest pebble]

Theres probably alot more to that not just the boys related stuff

but its the internet

[outer tapir]

im not talking just the internet

and the boys is just one show, there are many more of them that dont even watch it

thoses guys are very much real

and very much a menace

if you dont interact with them thats great, like i envy you

but unfortunately i have to interact with them on a regular basis and they hold my future in their hands and trust me i do not like that

so yeah, satire is made to mock them

and lately even they dont understand it

[hoary harbor]

Idk what this is about but I can say the boys shouldn't be taken at face value

[outer tapir]

wym ?

[sacred snow]

its a satire of the superhero genre

but then people started taking it too seriously and calls it "realistic"

which then go on to diss traditional superhero media or morally good characters like superman

because they mistake pessimism with realism

"superman isn't real no one with that much power would be so good" thats why he's the symbol of hope dummy

its literally superman vs the elites all over again

thats also why the starman edit goes so hard ong

[outer tapir]

def not talking about that satire

[sacred snow]

yea i mean i just read what naval said

and typed a reply

[outer tapir]

also the old phrase "power corrupt people" is such a lie

it really needs to die

along with the "we only use 10% of our brain"

god i hate it

[modest pebble]

yea so fake

I only use 2%

[outer tapir]

average redditor

[radiant wharf]

Has somebody played the black ops 6 beta? Even if you're not a cod player.

[sacred snow]

ive seen some gameplay

they look nice but its 70 dollars so gamepass we go

[torpid pilot]

It's good
Just they gotta fix the ttk then it's golden

[modest pebble]

My roommate did

its very broken rn but thats kinda to be expected

[lapis pier]

Gr Wildands is much better than breakpoint

It feels more alive

Not as empty as Breakpoint is

And when Unidad is after you, they show they dont play around and really give a challenge

But Wolfes? A little better Sentinel

[random skiff]

I liked both, although was not a fan of the DLC for Wildlands taking all your stuff.

[radiant wharf]

Have you guys noticed that Keener says "see you soon" every time he was speaking to the sheriff, this is the equivalent of Shepard saying"I should go" after each conversation in ME trilogy

[outer tapir]

"im aaron keener and this gun is my favorite of the white house"

[random skiff]

We need a scene where Keener has to practice different ways of saying "see you soon".
Citadel was the best.

[radiant wharf]

Yeah, let's hope that Mass effect 5 will be all the fans are expecting from BioWare. But after Andromeda and anthem (the EA's concord ) I'm not so sure about it.

[random skiff]

Give credit to Anthem, it lasted a fairly long amount of time.

I'm one of the 7 people who liked Anthem, it just needed some love.

[radiant wharf]

Yeah, but you are noticing a pattern here right? Like: a company launched a couple of good games like 10 years ago, then they launch a bad game, and then they create a hype for the "next game" that is gonna be good as the old ones.

On MSV case it was: the div1, 2 then heartland got cancelled and outlaws is a s**t open world game.

On BioWare case, I already said

And Ubisoft as a whole, well, just look at it's other franchise launches, watch dogs, Assassin Creed, far cry... Anyway you get the idea.

[outer tapir]

mass effect 5 isnt a thing tho ?

they dont do mass effect anymore

[outer tapir]

that doesnt make any sense

[random skiff]

Dragon Age The Veilguard is almost out, then they're set to work on another ME, which already has a teaser trailer.

[outer tapir]

studio dont do bad games on purpose

[radiant wharf]

BioWare is working in a new Mass effect, some people called ME Andromeda, ME4, so the number on title thing kinda stick.

[random skiff]

I'm curious to see how 5 will work actually, if it follows on from Andromeda or picks a canon ending to 3.

[outer tapir]

the problem with bioware is that the devs who made mass effect at the start arent there anymore

the dev team changed over the years

and the crunch didnt help

so we might have a good game, but it will def be different

or it will be bad, nobody can tell

[random skiff]

The problem with all this is that as an extremely long term fan of Bioware, since the literal 90's, I'm going to play the games anyway, no matter how negative people like to be.

[radiant wharf]

Exactly, more than 10 years studio teams change is wild.

[outer tapir]

doesnt mean the game will be good or bad

respawn team changed too, from titanfall 1 to apex, its not the same devs, yet game is still good

[random skiff]

People endlessly complained about Dragon Age 2 and Inquisition when it dropped as well, I loved both.
I liked ME3, I quite liked parts of Andromeda and the story itself was solid enough for a spin-off.

[outer tapir]

mass effect was good apart from the ending

which felt really rushed af

[random skiff]

Hard disagree on that one.

[outer tapir]

disagree that its bad or rushed ?

[random skiff]

oh and ME3's MP is still the best CoOp horde shooter.

[outer tapir]

didnt play mp but i heard good stuff about it

[radiant wharf]

Hard to make a choice mechanic in the game that really makes any difference at the end, just like cyberpunk or Deus ex. Detroit I'm not gonna consider bcs the choices are its gameplay core.

[radiant wharf]

Shame they didn't add MP to the trilogy remaster.

[outer tapir]

the pb was the reaper motivation, it was revealed in me3 but it just make 0 sense, and then the ending make even less sense

there was so much to say, so much to create, and they just went "we just harvest people for no reason"

"also you can rpess this button and it stops"

[radiant wharf]

ME3 development was rushed, they didn't have time to make a plausible ending for the reapers thing.

[random skiff]

Okay as someone who actually knows an embarrasingly large amount about the franchise, I'm biting my tongue here.

[outer tapir]

come on riven, i love me, but you cant defend that

there is so much good stuff in that franchise

but this is not part of the good stuff

[random skiff]

I expected this when the franchise was brought up, people who don't know think they know, but they don't know.

I should say, best wave based horde shooter.

[outer tapir]

i mean, i played it, all endings, all storylines

i know what i saw

[random skiff]

There was actually plans to, but I guess the focus was all put on Veilguard and starting devwork for 5, so I can't even fault that.
Fun fact: Anthem being killed off was actually a big part of DA4 going ahead.

They spoke about how moving forward, they plan to work on bigger impact, long-term projects, instead of shorter ones to solely make money quicker.

Think more Elden Ring and less CoD.

[brittle forge]

@outer tapir sorry but I find mad max too absurd for my liking

[outer tapir]

Wym absurd ?

It's prob one of the most realistic post apo movie, it litterally created the post apo genre on film

[random skiff]

Uh hol up, no it's not.

It's not meant to be realistic.

and it certainly didn't invent the genre.

[outer tapir]

It's not meant to be, but it kinda is

[outer tapir]

Didn't invent the genre as à whole, but created it on film

[brittle forge]

This is the movie where the raiders chase a fuel truck while burning fuel for theatrics right?

[outer tapir]

Im talking about the old ones, this one is a sequel

With Mel gibson

[random skiff]

As someone who grew up watching the first 2 movies on repeat (2 more than 1) no they are not meant to be realistic or taken that seriously. The action is grounded, but the movies themselves are not.

They're actually very Australian in their humour, which makes sense since Miller is from here.

[outer tapir]

Yes but the réalism is from the humans, not the situation

People turning on each others

[random skiff]

Lord Humungus: a bastion of realism.

[brittle forge]

Tbh I’m not that fluent in mad max lore so I’ll prob have to first watch the movies before even thinking about playing the game first. I remember the first one where the protagonist like handcuffs a guy to burning car right?

[random skiff]

In the first one it's not even post apocalypse, it's in the middle of it..

[outer tapir]

Yeah first one apocalypse is on the way

But you can see society crumbling down

From the second and oward it's def post apo

[random skiff]

Well, 3 is about rebuilding, so only really 2 is pure "no civilisation"

[brittle forge]

Tbh desert wasteland isn’t my type. I prefer urban wasteland

Sorry outback but I love me city apocalypse

[random skiff]

the Fallout TV show is good for that.

[brittle forge]

Yeah I loved the tv show

[outer tapir]

Yeah the new série is pretty good

[brittle forge]

I love p much everything fallout

The only thing holding me back from min maxing 4 is my pc lol

[random skiff]

The Mad Max game though is fine, but it's definitely a "get it for $5" kinda deal.

[outer tapir]

And the fact they actually stay True to the material is incredibly satisfying

They didn't change to say capitalism good

[brittle forge]

Indeed

cough cough halo

[random skiff]

Well they kinda do, but they also change stuff and now the changes are canon, which is rather unique for an adaptation.

[outer tapir]

I mean the score message

[brittle forge]

Yeah nv/railroad fans weren’t happy lol

[outer tapir]

Core*

[random skiff]

The core message is "50's music is cheaper to licence".

[brittle forge]

Smart move tho since I love 50s music

[outer tapir]

Core message is "guns fun"

[brittle forge]

Core message is liberty prime nuff said

Yes I would go for BOS route in fo4 how did you know

[random skiff]

"dogs look adorable in bandanas".

[brittle forge]

“Post apocalyptic dogs collectively have one braincell”

[random skiff]

"because Dogmeat took the rest and might've used it to become immortal, we're not 100% sure"

[outer tapir]

Imagine having brain cells

Couldnt be me

[brittle forge]

Can’t imagine. I play fallout 76

[outer tapir]

Aight need to sleep

Cya people and robots

[brittle forge]

Cya

[hoary harbor]

The story was insanely meh but the gameplay was pretty good and the world design and graphics look so good

the only memorable parts for me were the airport the intro and the ending

[random skiff]

It was kinda fun seeing the tie-in stuff to Fury Road, even if it didn't make a whole lot of sense.

and a use of the Arkham-style combat where it was actually killing stuff does make Batman using it look even sillier.

[hoary harbor]

I don't understand how batman doesn't kill with that fighting style

[analog shadow]

Just because video game

Wouldn’t be as fun if it was toned down

[random skiff]

I'm having a flashback to that bit in Arkham Knight where he uses the spinning tyre to scare the thug.

[hoary harbor]

Fair enough

[sacred snow]

thats every batman media ever

he wont kill you but the hospital bills will

he once beat Jason(his adopted son btw) so hard he crushed his helmet

but he wont send joker to jail

[hoary harbor]

Oh red hood right

[hoary harbor]

Smh

[sacred snow]

because killing Joker means that they’d have to invent a new villain

oh but Harley got whitewashed to become a hero

yonow despite being as much as a scumbag as Joker

saying “im sorry it happened pls gimme another chance :3” doesn’t work when you’d probably committed 50 war crimes
(yes they committed warcrimes,see batman endgame)

[hoary harbor]

How did she go from psychiatrist to maniac anyway

[sacred snow]

joker rizz

[frozen sparrow]

tbf jason is a bish

[sacred snow]

from his PoV Bruce lost his adopted son and immediately get a replacement

i'd say he's pretty justified

[frozen sparrow]

red hood is edgy and lame

[sacred snow]

but i kinda agree with him tho

[frozen sparrow]

i’m sorry but i can literally never see that edgelord in a positive light

[sacred snow]

i just hate batman's no killing bs

like whenever you bring that up to batman fans they immediately think that i want to see batman execute people for petty crimes

im saying some of them are too far gone and needs to be put down

i think Peacemaker(from the tv show) presented that point pretty well

Batman doesn't kill because he's a coward

[frozen sparrow]

jason kills everyone because edge

i mean it depends on the continuity sometimes batman just sorta does straight up kill people
the tim burton one and dark knight come to mind

[sacred snow]

best Jason by far is the under the red hood one because he actually made a point about it

other iterations are just "i kill now"

[frozen sparrow]

also vigilante justice is just shagged in general, if batman villains deserve to die, the responsibility falls to the state

[sacred snow]

yea but gotham is set up to be a failed state no?

thats like the entire premise

[frozen sparrow]

idk is it lol

regardless batman is kind of objectively correct in that regard

[sacred snow]

joker bombs gotham like 20 times a month

[frozen sparrow]

he genuinely should not get to choose who lives and dies and it’s good that he doesn’t
that’s not how the US justice system or justice in general functions

[sacred snow]

if they cant do anything about it other than pls save us batman thats a problem

its not like Metropolis when Doomsday show up now n then

nah this is just an insane clown terrorist

[random skiff]

Bruce Wayne could easily fund all the social programs in the city and reduce crime, but he likes punching Joker so here we are.

[frozen sparrow]

Bruce Wayne does also do that though

[random skiff]

The problem with applying modern logic to a comic idea that was created in the 30's is that they aren't compatible.

If I had to pick, I'll take aware of itself Batman over Miller.

[outer tapir]

have you seen the new animated series ?

people be saying its great

[random skiff]

Not yet, but I saw most of TAS in the day and it's on the list.

[analog shadow]

I have an issue with that story not for jason but for batman

The argument of “if I kill I’ll never go back” has always been just a dumb excuse for not killing and its sad that it gets more common because of that story

[sacred snow]

tbf it means he’s afraid of snapping

but it just confirms that he’s a coward

if he cant do it let someone else do it

Jason had more of a moral high ground here

imagine if the people of Gotham knew that the red hood tried to kill joker and batman stopped him

like who do you think they will side on

the guy who almost ended the most diabolical murderer in the city or some guy in a spandex who’s afraid to get blood on his hand?

[outer tapir]

batman is right not to kill tho

thats a parralel for death penalty in the real world

[frozen sparrow]

people of gotham should sign a petition if they care that much, obviously they don’t

[outer tapir]

and we know by now that its a bad thing to do that

[sacred snow]

logic in my comic book?

preposterous

look some people just really deserve the axe alright

[frozen sparrow]

jason did some kinda bad stuff, and batman carries 10x the trauma and 50x the threat so i’d say that’s relatively reasonable for him to be afraid of what he could do

you see it in arkham knight for example
turn the batmobile into an unkillable tank and start genociding thugs?

[sacred snow]

average battlefield lobby
but then it implies that he has no restraint and would just start killing anyone for the pettiest of crimes(like injustice superman)

[outer tapir]

or more like kira

[frozen sparrow]

which is exactly what red hood does

[sacred snow]

he kills crime bosses i’d say he did alright

[frozen sparrow]

he kills muggers and etc too

[sacred snow]

more than Batman ever did cuz somehow the Penguin is still a thing

[sacred snow]

i dont think he did but yea it definitely depends on the continuity

i was mostly referring to under the red hood

the others one are eh

i also like battle of the cowl

screw nightwing alright he sucks at being batman

[analog shadow]

The reason he doesn’t is he because he genuinely feels like giving people a chance for redemption, people deserve a chance to fix their lives

[sacred snow]

but some just really dont

like you can make an example of both points

Harley and Ivy came to mind for sorta “redeemed” characters

in some continuity even two face and killer croc got around

[outer tapir]

yes, thats the point of not support death penalty

[sacred snow]

im pretty sure most of his villains redeemed themselves in some continuity

[outer tapir]

like every can redeem themselves

[sacred snow]

and then there’s the Joker which is consistently evil

[outer tapir]

doesnt mean everyone will, but it mean they need to have the opportunity