off-topic-discussions

[frozen sparrow]

HAWX and Endwar are kinda sci fi

Imma try to find the quote

[analog shadow]

I think you are misunderstanding the point

There are points those series go sci fi, but I don’t see any of them doing “hes got nanotech armor making it so the force of the impact is nothing meaning you can’t shoot him!”

Division goes far with it and thats fine, its very much a looter shooter, and it has a universe that vaguely matches the game genre

Also breakpoint is a terrible comparison as there is 1 single instance of it being clear sci fi and thats the raid, something most players wont play

[frozen sparrow]

that's also not the point cus they do still die to bullets

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[analog shadow]

So ghosts still win

Ghosts are actually just the best, like lore wise

[frozen sparrow]

they die to bullets considerably more reasonably was the point

i think there's a little bias here ngl

[analog shadow]

Yea, most living things die to bullets

Thats a terrible argument

[frozen sparrow]

like Hunters are literally super soldiers within reason

in a powerscaling open field fight a Hunter would win

[analog shadow]

Yeah, because they have completely different rules to how they work

The universes aren’t*comparable

Even then, the argument stands that if a div agent can beat one, then the best military operators in the world will too

[frozen sparrow]

that's true but a Hunter is also capable of taking on a numerically superior force of agents

[analog shadow]

…so are the ghosts

The ghosts have done more impressive feats on the regular on screen

[frozen sparrow]

the point is
"one division agent can beat one hunter" doesn't mean it's a 100% win rate

[analog shadow]

But the winrate drastically increases because of the individual

The ghosts have the same feats as a hunter but more consistently

And on screen

[frozen sparrow]

if you want to talk "on screen" then we have, in Hunted
one occasion where a Hunter bodies two agents
and one occasion where a Hunter kills three or four agents

idk what "on screen" is supposed to establish here

[analog shadow]

Like the entire reason hunters would win this argument, is because they have sci fi nonsense that makes bullets less effective

You cannot compare the series

[frozen sparrow]

why do you keep doing it then

[analog shadow]

The ghosts in future soldier canonically have taken down at least, AT LEAST 40 bodark soldiers, soldiers that are the literal russian equivalent to the ghosts

With the exact same tech

And even home field advantage

[frozen sparrow]

at the same time you mean?

[analog shadow]

The ghosts are literally just better

Its not even debatable

[frozen sparrow]

"you can't compare the series cus sci fi" and "the ghosts are literally just better" are kinda contradictory

don't you think

[analog shadow]

Another factor is that the ghosts are actual soldiers that deal with number advantage constantly and consistently

[frozen sparrow]

as do Division agents and Hunters.

most if not all of whom are "actual soldiers" with military experience

[analog shadow]

Stop comparing the two series, the only reason hunters have a chance is because of sci fi nonsense that the other clancy games dont have

The only reason hunters have it is so it makes any logical sense that they are intimidating

[frozen sparrow]

that's outright not true but ok

[analog shadow]

Its literally factual

[frozen sparrow]

no, it literally is not actually

[analog shadow]

Its power scaling to make sure they remain scary

[frozen sparrow]

if they need sci fi armour to make them scary then ghosts aren't scary either

[analog shadow]

The ghosts won all these fights with zero access to tech because they got jammed

In breakpoint, which canonically is a year after, none of the ghosts have any of the tech from future soldier

[frozen sparrow]

I was under the impression they weren't all that technologically advanced, yes

[analog shadow]

Meaning they are base kit operators

Get cooked my G

[frozen sparrow]

...what?

[analog shadow]

Bro is comparing sci fi nonsense to characters that don’t have any of it

[frozen sparrow]

no, bruv, I answered the question that was asked, would Hunters beat Ghosts

[analog shadow]

Powerscaling is so stupid because its just people leaving out source material

[plucky lodge]

Ghosts are really OP in all tom clancy's

[analog shadow]

Like laughably so

[plucky lodge]

Is that an actual thing that's obvious to me but i don't see

[frozen sparrow]

you're the one who's powerscaling the ghosts by listing feats like it's versusbattles tho

[analog shadow]

Honestly just future soldier as a game alone discredits any comparisons that can be made, and if there are, you can than just state the entirety of breakpoint, 80% of which is canonically beaten by one man with no super human modifications or high tech abilities

[analog shadow]

My point is I don’t think they should be compared, yet you insist so Im giving you factual reasons they win

[plucky lodge]

Damn

So they can make an revive hive except infinitely better

[random skiff]

Okay, time to tone it down, all of you.

[plucky lodge]

[analog shadow]

Revive hive goofy video game nonsense lets be real

Funny blue orb

[plucky lodge]

That's the point of tom clancy's

[analog shadow]

Yes

[plucky lodge]

By what i remember the name tom clancy's comes from the creator of tech thriller game genre

[analog shadow]

Yes

[plucky lodge]

Which is all of them

Blue orb

[analog shadow]

Blue orb

[plucky lodge]

Funny blue orb of revival

[frozen sparrow]

couldn't and can't be bothered to keep looking, skimming through Hunted again was still enjoyable though
page 296 is easily one of the top three moments in the franchise

[plucky lodge]

What page and book

[frozen sparrow]

that information is in the message, good sir

[plucky lodge]

Oh ok

I'd say it would take 1 minute or 30 seconds for the fight to end

It's two highly trained soldiers fighting

[sacred snow]

even to this day there is no ballistic mask that can actually stop a bullet

and i mean like rifle rounds

9mm is already stretching it

even if in the future they made a mask that can theoretically stop a rifle shot the knockback from it would just outright kill the user lmao

[frozen sparrow]

counterargument metal gear nonsense is literally the truth with hunters

[sacred snow]

countercounterargument they dont have an invincible vampire fueled by nanomachines and a super robot ninja that slices a metal gear in half

[frozen sparrow]

not yet

[sacred snow]

Soon™️

[hoary harbor]

imagine getting to a point where raiden and sams swords actually exist

[plucky lodge]

If humanity doesn't self destruct over a tiny cola bottle we might get them

[lapis pier]

Are they cooking in the third book? Im about to start reading it.

[frozen sparrow]

I would say it's honestly the... most misguided of the trilogy due to what I assume to have been publisher interference

initially I said it was the weakest, thinking back, it may be better than Compromised, not too sure how I feel now

[lapis pier]

I wad kinda worried how would they work with those dates. Like if they will do it right not like once there and once here

[plucky lodge]

Wait

I have an idea

Ingame one shot build agents > ghosts right?

Ingame ofc since lore accurate is really unfair

[sacred snow]

yea but imagine being hunted by the Ghosts as your game crashing and you lose your hardcore save

[narrow mortar]

That’s rough buddy

[hoary harbor]

Realism

[queen creek]

Hello . Any idea when the mobile version will release?

[tacit raptor]

mebbe easier to study smol unit tactics, get proper militia training, than all this exercise at cosplaying ironman

what's everyone's favorite Tom Clancy novel?

do you have a favorite strimmer who plays modded project zomboid? sorry for necro'n an ancient discussion

what's full name of the new delta force game? is it like just delta force hawk ops or what?

[sacred snow]

yea hawk ops

remember that one Chinese product thats a blatant copy of something already existing but for a fraction of the price you bought it for and its pretty decent?

yea thats hawk ops for you

they mix the sharp gunplay from CoD with the massive scale warfare stuff from battlefield

and also made it a hero shooter because everything has to be a hero shooter these days for some reason

i cant really give feedback on the actual game since its region blocked on steam for me but from what i've seen so far it just seems like a really mediocre battlefield ripoff that will do just fine because its free

the extraction shooter mode might be interesting tho

i just absolutely despise the weird futuristic industrious environment every scifi game pulls for some reason

[frozen sparrow]

overwatch and its consequences

[sacred snow]

i personally do not get the hate for skins

operators specialists whatever the buzzword for the game is

"nooo i wanna play as a nameless grunts" is respectable dont get me wrong

but then you're just being annoying when you're the vocal minority

cuz if the majority thinks so then they would not release the 90th anime kawaii uwu skin into the game

[frozen sparrow]

I'm haters so I absolutely do

[sacred snow]

it sells,the majority do not gaf bout it,you can use the default skin idk

the bigger argument about monetization i get

but in a vacuum skins are fine

[frozen sparrow]

codmw2019 trying to get me to buy alternate grunt skins:

nah screw em all

[sacred snow]

modern snorefare started the tacticool crowd

[frozen sparrow]

do it like Titanfall or Battlefront

[sacred snow]

"oh wow griity awesome tier 1 spec ops MARSOC CIA buzzword guy"

[frozen sparrow]

immersive and specific appearances dependent on faction/weapon/etc

[sacred snow]

true

[frozen sparrow]

hell even old CoD did that with perks

BO1 did at least

and BO2 with weapons

they just wanna come up with more crud to sell

[sacred snow]

true true

i do like normal tacticool grunts too

[frozen sparrow]

that will be 100x better than "MY TEAM vs ENEMY TEAM"

[sacred snow]

i just think the people constantly complaining about it are brainlets tbh

[sacred snow]

i like vanguard but yea that was so stupid

ww2 game about evil german people
does not show the evil german people symbol

[frozen sparrow]

aren’t there no Germans in the MP even

iirc there’s like one Japanese officer and the flavour text says he’s a traitor

Vanguard ironically circled back around to almost vindicating the "Stop Normalising N_zis" guy

[sacred snow]

i do not remember whatever happened in vanguard

nor do i want to

i just thought the multiplayer was good

if it were up to me i'd nuke IW and let Sledgehammer cook

it all went downhill because of 2019 not since 2019

[hoary harbor]

shame sledgehammer never got to make aw2

i thought the aw version of advanced movement was a nice midpoint

[lapis pier]

I think they got so hated they abandoned the project

Almost like ghosts

But i heard multiplayer was bad in ghost

[hoary harbor]

It did good things and bad things but it's definitely overhated

the only two glaringly obvious things are stone haven and the satcom

[supple marsh]

I am ghosts & AWs biggest glazer 🫡

the designs from AW are just so peak I don't think they've been even close to reaching it in any game since

[wooden lantern]

hello fellow agents

hope everyone's doing fine

i just finished ghost of tsushima a few days ago,i was wondering if anyone knows games like that?(stealth/combat based?)if you know something like that,then please send some suggestions my way 🙂 thanks 😄

[lapis pier]

Mostly beacuse they need feed the horde with terrible MW, and a meh black ops. I wont even start about warzone

[supple marsh]

I love konig and like a few others I don't remember the names of

[wooden lantern]

Konig?

Is that a full name?

[supple marsh]

ya hes from MW2(2022) MW3(2023) and warzone

austrian operator

[wooden lantern]

Oh i thought you were responding to my message

[shy vine]

so ubisoft team working again in acs games

maybe we will see in valhalla ng+

[random skiff]

Shadow's looks like a lot of fun, especially that grappling hook that can reportedly be used anywhere.
Just Cause: Assasins Creed.

[shy vine]

i waiting big news only from valhalla

[random skiff]

Uh dev work on Valhalla ended almost 2 years ago.

[shy vine]

can i send here video?

his dude raptor talks everything https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbHrMduwmSY

if they add ng+ i install if not then i make ticket to delete forever:)

[late vine]

They explicitly stated a year or more ago they would not give Valhalla ng+

[shy vine]

u sure?

[random skiff]

Again, development ended for it almost 2 years ago.

source (also mentions ng+) https://www.ubisoft.com/en-gb/game/assassins-creed/news/6L7OFMqDHtuPYc2TGmRfOM/assassins-creed-valhalla-an-update-on-postlaunch

[shy vine]

well bye bye to game

[narrow mortar]

Patriot Games, bit of an oldie but a goodie

[hoary harbor]

König, horangi, chuy I played a fair bit

[hoary harbor]

I thoroughly enjoyed them despite their shortcomings

[sour moon]

🤯 when paracetamol actually helps instead of causing further pain

[plucky lodge]

[sour moon]

Me tryna be painfree

[elder grail]

Hello

[frozen garden]

Has anyone sold a gpu thru an online vendor, like Newegg ? I want to move on from my AMD while it is still fairly new and go back to Nvid for streaming.

[sacred snow]

ive bee using firefox a couple days now

holy shit its resource heavy compared to my old browser

[random skiff]

the price you pay for not being anchored to chromium

[leaden rapids]

Do you have a meme section

[random skiff]

Nope, and none will ever be added.
The community server might have one, if you search up "division", it's the other big one.

[plucky lodge]

Why not division memes channel???? It'd be a top tier upgrade

[random skiff]

Because it'd be full of racist junk within 5 minutes.

and Ubi don't want one, and it's their server.

[plucky lodge]

How about a black list to make people not send images no matter the channel

[random skiff]

That's how the server started, then the Admins allowed images on a few, relevant channels, with the stipulation that they be used well.
That's where us as a team come in.

[unborn blade]

meme channels in public servers never work out

[plucky lodge]

Oof

[unborn blade]

yea we just cant have nice things

[plucky lodge]

Without neanderthals taking over and ruining it

[late vine]

The community server doesn't have a meme channel

[random skiff]

I give that place a wide berth.

[lapis pier]

Atleast in Sw when they used old guns they changed them a little but in andor they didnt change nothing

[frozen sparrow]

@outer tapir
at the risk of sounding like a mega 🤓 it's a common misconception to say that Star Wars is a Vietnam allegory, that's sprung up recently
Star Wars at its core is based off the Second World War, the Empire are obviously based on you know who, the starfighter battles are based on classic ww2 dogfights, the Death Star battle is the Dambuster raid, etc. and the prequels represent WW1 and H_tler's political manipulation to rise to power
it's just because RotJ is somewhat inspired by Vietnam, that people say this

[lapis pier]

Just added laser beams and thats it

[lapis pier]

Endor was kinda SW Vietnam

[frozen sparrow]

Lucas said in an interview or something that they looked at Vietnam for RotJ specifically

and basically said it was only to the extent of "technologically inferior force defeats foreign army"

[frozen sparrow]

I think I'm the only person on Earth who didn't like Andor

[random skiff]

Yeah Star Wars is very much a Vietnam allegory. That's not really in dispute.

[frozen sparrow]

well, I have just disputed it.

[lapis pier]

I kinda liked it but i wouldnt say its a good sw show

[random skiff]

There are elements of it taken from other wars sure, but the heart of the conflict is rebels vs empire, that is 100% vietnam.

I mean, the Death Star's destruction of Alderan alone, I mean, I think that goes without saying. Especially on this server.

(if that was too subtle, let's not discuss chemical weapons on an official div2 server, even in offtopic)

You know, the fact that the Empire are all british does somewhat bring up other parts of history that aren't exactly ww2 shaped.

[outer tapir]

its not a misconception, lucas himself said its the case

[frozen sparrow]

well that's acting like Vietnam is the only rebellion in history

[outer tapir]

there is litterally 0 proof of the opposite

[frozen sparrow]

source?

[outer tapir]

himself in interview ?

also you can make a film as an allegory for something doesnt mean everything else doesnt exist

[frozen sparrow]

the interview that I just said, if I'm remembering correctly, was talking specifically about the Ewoks vs Empire conflict in RotJ

[frozen sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDS26pCUfgg

[random skiff]

Cameron added, the Rebels would be called terrorists. "When I did it," Lucas replied, "they were Viet Cong."

[outer tapir]

its not really up for debate anymore

its a well known and sourced fact

[random skiff]

He further explained that Star Wars was a "vessel" in which to place his worldview that the United States had become an empire during the Vietnam War, doomed to fail like every empire before it.

[frozen sparrow]

fairs, I haven't seen these quotes

[random skiff]

There's quite a lot of this online. Vietnam was a major issue back when Star Wars first came out, there's a looooot of media that's quite thinly veiled allegories for vietnam.

[outer tapir]

yeah og star wars is old af

[random skiff]

Aliens is a great example of something that wasn't even intended to be, but turned out to be one.

[outer tapir]

like really old

[random skiff]

"they're animals, man!" the animals proceed to cut the power and test their defenses.

[lapis pier]

When SW came out framce was still executimg people

[outer tapir]

it might be the best sw show we got so far tho, nothing even come close

[frozen sparrow]

I'd say it's a weak allegory then considering the WW2 influences are considerably more prominent and a more active part of the storytelling throughout the franchise

[lapis pier]

Lets say both

[frozen sparrow]

I thought Aliens was intended to be one

[random skiff]

Vietnam had only just ended, ww2 was what, 30 years?

[frozen sparrow]

they are literally US Marines, just in space

[random skiff]

re: Aliens.
Some of the writers claim it wasn't meant to be, other claim it was. I take a middle-ground.

[outer tapir]

how would ww2 work in sw ? you got an empire controling the entire galaxy and some rebels scrambling to survive, the power imbalance is nothing like ww2

[lapis pier]

But if you step back to clone wars it can work

[outer tapir]

clone was is not the og sw, and its not ww2 either, its about the fall of democracy

[random skiff]

Clone Wars arguably works even better for vietnam, because it was a series of proxy wars, cough Cold War cough.

[outer tapir]

and how people applaud it

its about how people welcome facism

with open arms

we can see it happenning today btw

[random skiff]

The actual fight was going on in the background, but no shots were being fired over it.
Actually that's not a bad allergory right there.

[lapis pier]

Youre right about the fall bue noe i came with this. What if its about the situation france was in ww2?

[outer tapir]

france was nothing like sw back when they were under occupation, resistance was non existent

[frozen sparrow]

The rebels are a military alliance- literally like "the Allies" in ww2- with a centralised military fleet
also, throughout ww2 there was partisan resistance supported by the allies against the german war machine
George Lucas grew up watching 1940's era sci fi and ww2 movies, and he has been very open about his inspiration on that front

[outer tapir]

also no one claim it was an allegory for that

[frozen sparrow]

and the fall of democracy in Germany lead directly in to...

[lapis pier]

Yeah my theory kinda sucks

[random skiff]

Webkinz, it was absolutely meant to be about Vietnam. Lucas himself said it directly, we've given you the quotes.
ww2 does not factor into it, outside of a few bits taken for flavour.

[outer tapir]

no ? allies always had the upperhand in ww 2 ? resistance was being squashed, also in sw they are working in cells, not centraalized at all

[outer tapir]

thats clone wars, not og sw

[lapis pier]

Only in democracy people can vote to teun their country int o communism , facsim ect

[random skiff]

Clone Wars is a proxy war fought while the 2 actual main factions (jedi vs sith) go on manipulating in the background.
It's a cold war allegory.

[lapis pier]

Or maybe its just good vs bad

[outer tapir]

ah fk automod

tbh clone was isnt about germany in the 30s

[frozen sparrow]

or perhaps, multiple things can be true

[outer tapir]

cause back then they didnt vote for facism, they took power by force despite elections

[random skiff]

This chat is getting a bit circular, ping me if it gets too rowdy.

and stop talking about fascism,.

[outer tapir]

but thats the entire point of sw 2 and 3 tho :(

[lapis pier]

I think ubi should make a companion app for division

[outer tapir]

they tried in div 1 it didnt work iirc

[frozen sparrow]

well that's factually not true. they're a rebel "alliance" with a central base/s, a large fleet, a flagship for that fleet, etc
there are cells in periphery material, mostly rebels era stuff, showing how they went from disorganised to organised

[random skiff]

The entire point of Star Wars after the first one was to sell toys.
Lucas had exclusive rights to the merchandise. There's a reason everyone looked like an action figure.

They didn't give r2d2 jet boosters for the plot.

[outer tapir]

alliance = work toward same goal, doesnt mean they are the same
cells do ally cause they share a common enemy, they dont obey the same orders, andor showed it clearly

[lapis pier]

Where you can see your stash try making builds from what you have, look into projects,open caches and something else maybe

[random skiff]

Actually Lyfe, that's not what Andor was showing.

[analog shadow]

That change was made actually for the plot for him to actually get around and was made over a decade later

[frozen sparrow]

Andor which is the "rebels era" prequel material that I was talking about

[random skiff]

And then removed by the next movie, because Lucas didn't think of it earlier.

[analog shadow]

He had it in the next movie…

[outer tapir]

wym ?

[random skiff]

4?

[lapis pier]

They tried to make some kind of drone thing with that app. You send missles, aid ect

[analog shadow]

R2 had jet boosts in episode 2, then in episode 3

[random skiff]

Of course he did.

[lapis pier]

How did they understand the r2 yapping

[analog shadow]

Sci fi nonsense

[outer tapir]

it doesnt matter, its an alliance, not an army, as soon as shit hit the fan, you see them scatter and betraying each other for survival

[random skiff]

They weren't cells of the same faction, Andor was showing how different approaches to the same goal can produce the same end, but how you get to that end matters.

re: the guy Forest Whittacker played refused to work with a different group because of past differences in the Clone Wars.

[outer tapir]

i dont mean they are on the same faction, i mean, they share a common enemy, making them form an alliance of circumstances

[random skiff]

they sacrificed that entire other group, who were former Trade Federation supporters, to get the end goal.

[lapis pier]

R2: beep bop bleep
Obi wan: yes r2 we should bomb that planet

[random skiff]

Ever see the deleted Scene where adult anakin speaks droid?

its hilarious.

[analog shadow]

The prequels are so damn goofy

Good in theory but bad execution

[random skiff]

They actually overlay the....you know what, just go look it up.

[outer tapir]

yeah i remember, but they dont agree on it at first, the dude had to convince them
he wasnt sending orders, instead he treat them as equals cause its not an army

[frozen sparrow]

they literally got the Norwegian Army (so I've been told) to play the extras for the Rebels in ESB, for what it's worth
regardless, Rebels is literally the story of how rebellion in the galaxy went from disorganised cells to an organised alliance, is it not

[outer tapir]

didnt see rebels, but actors dont really matter, it was about snow, norvegians are in snow, nothing weird here

[random skiff]

They get cosplayers to play the stormtroopers at the end of s01 of Mandalorian. empire are all cosplayers, confirmed.

[analog shadow]

The main cast didn’t play much of a role in it and it mostly happened offscreen

[outer tapir]

truth

[frozen sparrow]

ok well for example Rebels has Phoenix Squadron lead by one of the military guys we see in episode 4, and the plot is that they are part of the foundation of the rebel alliance

[random skiff]

You know, all this talk of the movies and how terrible they could be just reminds me of how good SWTOR was, overall.
Very worth giving a go if you want a real star wars fix.

[analog shadow]

Unrelated but thank god for Solo and Andor acknowledging the existence of the imperial army

[lapis pier]

Phoenix you say? It kinda reminds me of something 🤔

[frozen sparrow]

🔫

[outer tapir]

isnt rebels like marketed at young kids ?

[analog shadow]

Yes

The most serious of story arcs are still meant to be more kid friendly

[random skiff]

Solo has a character named, and I swear I'm not making this up: Thermoculus Krisintvolt Scissorpunch

[outer tapir]

cause if so, the message would def be different, you dont talk about serious politics in kids show, you talk about lighter stuff like "be friends with people"

[random skiff]

it's a lobster, because thermi. and scissors for the claws I guess.

[analog shadow]

You leave my boy scissorpunch alone

[random skiff]

Does he get killed by a giant pan of butter?

[frozen sparrow]

not even remotely necessarily

[outer tapir]

i mean, i remember a clip of rebels where they used lightsaber to fly

[lapis pier]

I think larry in spongebob got killed by that

[outer tapir]

not like its supposed to be taken seriously

[random skiff]

Plenty of kids shows take on darker themes, the best ones take on those adult themes with a deft hand, so they can be explained well.

[lapis pier]

And Mr Krabs

[outer tapir]

i agree shows for kids can be dark, but since disney bought the franchise, i dont see that happen

[random skiff]

A great example is Zootopia. That movie could've just been 90 minutes of animal puns and a buddy cop movie.

[outer tapir]

andor is an exception, not the norm

[frozen sparrow]

be friends with people whilst the imperial secret police try to kidnap kids

[frozen sparrow]

how is Andor aimed at kids...?

oh wait nvm i see what u mean

[outer tapir]

it isnt

yeah im talking overall

disney is better than lucas for the franchise but still

they aint doing great

[random skiff]

Disney put out a lot of dark stuff, if you aren't seeing it then you probably aren't paying close enough attention.

[outer tapir]

they used to

[lapis pier]

We need more lasers in star wars

[outer tapir]

not so much anymore

[random skiff]

I mean, they own Searchlight.

[frozen sparrow]

chat what did he mean by this

[outer tapir]

like acolyte wasnt great and really tried to be deep when its not

but brushes any real meaning with simple action scenes

the bad stuff jedi did were almsot ignored

[random skiff]

I'm being slowly reminded why I don't talk to anyone else about Star Wars.

[analog shadow]

I don’t watch much star wars stuff anymore

Most of it is retreading the same stuff over and over

[random skiff]

My actual opinion on star wars is too controversial for here, so I'll just say that I'm selective.

[frozen sparrow]

I'm interested now

[outer tapir]

my opinion is that we dont deserve good star wars

[analog shadow]

The most innovative stuff star wars has done has always been making the tone serious

[frozen sparrow]

I saw that

[analog shadow]

Like, basically all the good disney star wars stuff has been very serious in tone

[random skiff]

I did leave it up long enough for it to be seen.
the recent Christmas special wasn't too bad, and frankly after the original one, anything Lucas does can go straight in the "yeah but you greenlit this" pile.

[outer tapir]

🤣

[analog shadow]

Wdym by original one

The og trilogy?

[random skiff]

Wait, you've never seen the Star Wars Holiday Special?

chewbacca has a family.

he abandoned them.

[analog shadow]

Not what I was talking about

[random skiff]

his grandfather lives in his house, he has a son.

his son watches cartoons of chewbaccas adventures. Somehow.

Jefferson Starship got a full length music video in it.

[analog shadow]

I think we have very different conversations in our heads rn

[random skiff]

I said the recent christmas special was alright, the old one sucked.
then went on from there.

[analog shadow]

There was a recent one?

[random skiff]

Lego one yeah, featured time travel.

[analog shadow]

You sure you aren’t confusing it with something else?

Oh that

I didn’t give it any attention

[random skiff]

technically the old one was only for holidays, because Carrie Fisher wanted to sing a song.

my nephew wanted to see it and it was streaming so 🤷‍♀️

[analog shadow]

As much as I want to trash on it more I really do hope the open world of outlaws is worth exploring

I find it weird that we have seen almost nothing on the open world of it

Yet its claimed as open world

[random skiff]

If there's one thing MSV do well, it's world design.
I can walk around for ages in NYC/DC/NYC 2.0

[outer tapir]

truth

[random skiff]

even Avatar did it well.

[lapis pier]

Less talking more pew pew

[frozen sparrow]

that Tatooine is one of the main planets seems a bit counterintuitive to a good open world

[outer tapir]

the city look gorgeous

[analog shadow]

I get that but like, they haven’t shown nearly anything about actually exploring it, I will give the game credit that it is very well designed

[outer tapir]

you litterally could just walk around the city doing nothing

and its not boring

[random skiff]

Having traversed a good portion of Tattooine in SWTOR, it's a good location, just needs to be handled well.

Hoth too actually.

[analog shadow]

Outlaws seems less like open world and more like, main quest, and like a few sidequests on each planet and thats it, which I hope isn’t the case

Just one more week I guess

[random skiff]

I have 0 expectations, which I think is the smart way to go into any game.

I tried having them for payday 3 and well, that didn't turn out well.

[lapis pier]

I will never forgive them for pd3

[analog shadow]

I stopped doing expectations in the general sense, ever since breakpoint I make sure to actually learn as much as I can about the game before release before buying, I think the only game I didn’t do that for was alan wake 2 but I bought it after reviews

[random skiff]

I know it's a very serious game and all that, but the fact that the main character's name is A.Wake is just...I can't get past it.

[outer tapir]

meanwhile i still believe titanfall 3 will come out someday

[random skiff]

Jedi Survivor: Titanfall.
there you go, hope reactivated.

[outer tapir]

i wish

imagine titans in sw

[random skiff]

SWTOR has mechs in the latter expansions.

so there's precedent.

[outer tapir]

yeah i didnt got a good feeling when i stated swtor

sadly

[analog shadow]

Its both the most serious game and the least

[random skiff]

Is the villains name Stan Leep?

SWTOR is fantastic, if a little slow to start.

[analog shadow]

No its evil alan wake

[random skiff]

His sidekick is Derrick Ream, right?

Nolan Ap is the plucky comic relief.

[analog shadow]

The game has a full blown musical in it so these jokes aren’t even that far fetched

[random skiff]

I've read far too much Terry Pratchett to be able to get past silly names. Even Kandell in div1 was a bit much for me.

she's lighting the way to a cure. A Candle.

[outer tapir]

lmao i didnt even notice

[lapis pier]

They need to put roman from Gta 4 into div 2

Great character

[outer tapir]

nah

they need to make cj an agent and when stuff happen aroun he's like "ah shit, here we go again"

i'd laugh a lot

[lapis pier]

Why not both?

[outer tapir]

we wont have any cause of copyrights anyway x)

[random skiff]

I vaguely know that they're GTA characters.

[runic bluff]

[lapis pier]

Is it me or chrome really lags on mobile

[tulip cypress]

who even uses chrome

[outer tapir]

for real, go firefox its chrome but actually good

and manifest v3 will soon exist on chrome and it will basically kill any app that requires updating

like adblockers

[modest pebble]

you

[modest pebble]

me

[tulip cypress]

meyu?

[random skiff]

ublock origin is going to be/already is blocked on Chrome, and not on Firefox.
I think that's a clear winner all by itself, even on mobile if you just use youtube via the browser. (make a shortcut to the page, so you don't even need to search for it)

[modest pebble]

Im not really doing anything that requires U block and im using the youtube app most of the time

[outer tapir]

thankfully there are app that copy youtube without ads and with better features

without it i wouldnt watch anything on my phone cause of ads

[random skiff]

Vanced yeah, of course. But if you are tech illiterate like my aunt is, it's a good alternate.

she's only just figured out streaming, and she still tells me sometimes about how she's found "a new site" and I have to explain to her that "no, that site with brand new movies for free is not legit".

[outer tapir]

yeah ofc, its hard nowadays to live free on the internet if you arent tech savy

so many traps

[modest pebble]

just have to direct her too the right free movie websites

[outer tapir]

most of thoses sites are virus infested

when they work, which is rare

[modest pebble]

theres a few good ones

[random skiff]

There's some good basic ones, and she has those saved as tabs.
but she tries to be helpful and find new ones, but she's getting there.

sorry but that's too close to the big P to the Ira sea topic.

[outer tapir]

np

[random skiff]

I know technically not in itself, but gotta be careful.

[outer tapir]

yeah dw

[random skiff]

honestly, uBlock is just nice in general for browsing. the internet without it is a wild place.

[outer tapir]

yeah, ads are everywhere and so annoying

you cant just browse a site in peace now

they spam you with everything they got

[random skiff]

As soon as ublock adds a "block asking for location", it'll be flawless.

[modest pebble]

that shit annoys the hell out of me

you already have my ip my pc does not have a gps lmao

[random skiff]

Google already knows where I am, my entire history, and probably my blood type. Just be a normal site and buy it off them.

[outer tapir]

yeah but by law they cant use it unless you let them

so they will prob buy your info from somewhere, but on their site, they cant just take it

or agencies like european union would shut them down

[modest pebble]

its more of a formality then anything else tbh

still annoying

[outer tapir]

yeah but its an important one

thats the difference between websites doing anything they want and going super wild like twitter or chilling cause they cant

[sacred snow]

honestly until i up my laptop to 32gb i dont think i like firefox tbh

i binge watch youtube while i game and firefox eats just about as much ram as chrome

i use this chronium browser call Arc and its surprisingly lightweight

barely pass even 1gb

[outer tapir]

Why would Firefox require 32gb ?

[sacred snow]

it dont

[outer tapir]

It's notoriously known chrome is the one eating the ram

[sacred snow]

but i keep getting bluescreen using both firefox and any resource heavy game

and it feels really unresponsive for some reason

[outer tapir]

That might be a mod you installed

As à basis Firefox is really light

[sacred snow]

fresh install,i think i just have ublock installed

[outer tapir]

Something wrong then cause you shouldnt have it bluescreen your pc only from that

Going to 32gb def wont fix anything

[sacred snow]

noted

[lapis pier]

Samsung browser works better on my phone than chrome. Idk why but it is what it is

[random skiff]

Samsung's Browser is still Chromium based..

as is Brave, Opera, there's a whole bunch.

[lapis pier]

It can be based on anything as long as it runs smooth

[random skiff]

Well, as long as it runs the add-ons/extensions that you require, and you can put some trust in the company.
I trust Firefox a heck of a lot more than Google.

Can all these chromium browsers still run ublock origin or was it blocked like Chrome is about to do?

[outer tapir]

firefox is the goat tbh

it does everything you need but better

and protect your privacy

[lapis pier]

Well, time to say bye bye to chrome i guess

And say welcome to fire fox

[rugged lava]

I tried opera for a couple days and it was the most bloated waste of computing power. Firefox it is

[outer tapir]

fun fact

with firefox relay you can make fake email adresses that redirect to yours and delete them at will

so if you want to sign up for a trash website but dont want the spam or dont want to give your adress ? thats the way

it will also mark any email sent this way to keep a trace

[random skiff]

There appears to be a limited number of email "relay masks" or whatever, but you can likely just re-use an older one.

[outer tapir]

It's limited to 5 at the same time but you can delete one and remake another at any time

And if you need more you can if you pay a small fee iirc

But I found out 2/3 is clearly enough for 99% of people

[outer tapir]

@pallid cedar wym definitive ?

[pallid cedar]

as in the king of the genre

[outer tapir]

yeah thats not what definitive means and div 1 or 2 def arent the king of the genre

they're good, but not that good

[hoary harbor]

When people bring up looter shooters they tend to think of borderlands, destiny, Warframe and such

[outer tapir]

yeah like most gamers have forgotten division even exist now

and thoses who know it exist dont even know we got div 2 now

thats how def not great the game is

[hoary harbor]

It's got its own little niche

Most have heard of it but nothing more

[outer tapir]

outside of div players, almost nobody heard of the sequel

div players are very focused playing thats for sure

[lapis pier]

Just wait for the fortnite collab

[outer tapir]

fornite collab with a game that nobody know ? especially young people ?

[lapis pier]

I dont think epic cares at this point

[radiant wharf]

At least it's not so memory eater like Chrome.

[lapis pier]

Chrome is just hungry

[radiant wharf]

Just like windows. It pisses me off sometimes that when some people that don't know much about PCs, buy a premade cheap PC with x amount of RAM without knowing that almost half of that is being eaten by Windows and chrome.

[lapis pier]

Now its just sad.

[supple marsh]

superplastic:

as much as I dont think it will happen its still 100000000000000000% a possibility that it could happen

people know div as a franchise even if its in the back of their mind and even if the playerbase seems to skew towards older people younger people still know it

[sacred snow]

you know i just realized something

call of duty games in order:
black ops 1
black ops 2
black ops 3

battlefield games in order:
1942->2->2142->1943->3->4->1->V->2042

whats with that

they went to 1 THEN 5

after 3 4

[frozen sparrow]

cus they wanted a fancy title for the ww1 game

[sacred snow]

also its battlefield V

not 5
why the roman numerical

battlefield 2 is before battlefield 1

2142 IS BEFORE 2042

[frozen sparrow]

they made a prequel cus they knew they would never reach the same heights

[outer tapir]

i mean nothing says it has to be made in order of the timeline

[sacred snow]

of course no but im strictly talking about the naming schemes here

[outer tapir]

well look at xbox

[sacred snow]

where does hardline even stand lmao

was it before 3

[outer tapir]

xbox, xbox360, xbox 1, xbox series x

[supple marsh]

after 4

bf4 > hardline > 1

[outer tapir]

it stands in the trash

lets be honest

[sacred snow]

hey i liked the idea

battlefield has always lacked urban combat

[supple marsh]

🫡 glory to AAA tactical intervention

[sacred snow]

siege of shanghai is bad fight me

[outer tapir]

bf 3 and 4 had it and it was good

[sacred snow]

oh wow levolution

[supple marsh]

ok but hear me out siege of shanghai is AWESOME because people get really mad when you break the tower instantly

[sacred snow]

you leveled the building and it became a flat ground

[lapis pier]

Oh it doesnt and i will die on that hill

Maybe its not a great BF but a great game

[outer tapir]

i mean, its not like it happenned every sec, it takes a while to do so

[sacred snow]

it became a 2042 map

[supple marsh]

I would prefer to play basically any other map than siege of shanghai but destroying the tower asap is something I have to do every time

[frozen sparrow]

I had some fun with it

[sacred snow]

im surprised they did not instantly kick you

or the server had a meltdown and crashed

[supple marsh]

thats what I'm sayin!

considering how much I've done it I've never been kicked!

[sacred snow]

you only get kicked if you shoot down a helicopter

[supple marsh]

if you're able to

[sacred snow]

god forbid you use a rocket designed to shoot down helicopters to shoot down helicopters

[frozen sparrow]

🤯

[sacred snow]

i had the least fun with 4 if im being honest

a lot of the servers are empty where i am

[frozen sparrow]

didn’t they nerf the Stinger at some point so literally this

[sacred snow]

i think the only one i liked was locker

[sacred snow]

not sure but would be a brainlet move ngl

they also nerfed the tv rocket in 2042 cuz i swear the bf4 ones have more sensibility on them

[outer tapir]

i mean last bf is soooooo bad

[sacred snow]

every bf is bad until the next one drops

the bar will always go lower

[outer tapir]

nah

bf 3/4 were good, 1 was cool, 5 was pretty good

[sacred snow]

“2042 is ahead of schedule”-EA,2021

[outer tapir]

2042 is just awful

[sacred snow]

i do not like bf4 and i got it for free

guns feel meh to use,maps are not fun

[outer tapir]

last time i tried it there was a tank supremacy, the antitank class couldnt even kill a single tank even useing all its ammo

[sacred snow]

also doesn’t have enough of that cinematic feeling from 5 and 1

infantry gameplay is alright,not bf5 tho

[outer tapir]

and then i learned the assault class c4 is better at being anti tank than the antitank weaponry

wtf is this balancing man

[sacred snow]

bf5 infantry gameplay is just peak tbh

screw bf1 guns feel garbage to shoot there

bf1 is good if all you play are vehicles

or horse,horses are cool

[outer tapir]

bf1 is good for the campaing

[sacred snow]

bf1 campaign go hard

[outer tapir]

bf 5 campaing was also good but not as good

[sacred snow]

they got a shit load of backlash for the robo arm woman

[outer tapir]

i liked how they made a german campaing without it being stoopid

[frozen sparrow]

as they should that was dumb

[sacred snow]

“if you dont like it dont buy it”-EA 2018

[outer tapir]

they get backlash for any woman or non white characters tbh

[sacred snow]

god i love all the dumb shit they said lmao

they are way more meme worthy than ATVI or Ubi

[sacred snow]

true but its still kinda bad PR

[outer tapir]

i mean there is no good pr with bigots

[sacred snow]

bf5’s best part was that almost every house can be leveled

except Amsterdam but eh

[outer tapir]

like even wolfenstein got bad pr cause, u know

yeah amsterdam was a bad map

[frozen sparrow]

most fun i remember having with bf1 was in the open beta playing a light tank
gotta play light tanks cus i don’t have two friends for the heavy

[sacred snow]

theres totally some bigotry mixed in there but the stuff i saw about that was more about the robo arm thing

dismissing it as just purely bigotry is ehh idk man

[outer tapir]

nah man, i saw how people talked about msg v and quiet

im sure some people will say its just robot arm, but the actual backlash doesnt come from them

cause they dont care that much

[sacred snow]

seems fair ig

i dont think bf5 gets nearly enough credit for how good the environment was

[outer tapir]

yeah it looked sick

visually all bf look really good

[sacred snow]

the movement feels nice,guns still feels like laser beams but they actually have some kick,the details are really good

frostbite held up surprisingly well

[outer tapir]

yea

[sacred snow]

when it was about to get good they murdered it because muh battle royale

and extraction shooter too god why

[outer tapir]

well, that was the hype back then

[sacred snow]

i hate warzone with every cell on my body

[outer tapir]

so they had to for the shareholders to not be angry

cause u know, capitalism

[sacred snow]

the things they have done to gaming as a whole

[outer tapir]

well, thats what money does

another reason i love indie games

ea could never release undertale

[sacred snow]

you know if launch 2042 was anything like the trailers EA would have raked in massive dollars

like the hype around it back then was insane

[outer tapir]

you dont even need to, if it was like half as good as bf5 it would have sold tremendously

but its garbage on every front

[sacred snow]

tbf launch bf5 was kinda meh

[outer tapir]

and THE WORST PART

[sacred snow]

but i get ur point

[outer tapir]

there is no campaing or story or even lore

like wtf

[sacred snow]

i still think that thinking specialist being the problem is dismissing the actual problem of not having a class system

[outer tapir]

story mode in bf 1/5 was great and actually interesting

how can they then say "fk that now nothing matter people die for no reason"

[sacred snow]

they do have lore they just sidelined it to being destiny wall of texts

[outer tapir]

not even, bf2042 has no lore

[sacred snow]

well not really,more like world building

[supple marsh]

no there is lore for 2042 and its on some website BUT NO CAMPAIGN despite it being a strong setting to have a campagin in!

[outer tapir]

whats the lore tho ? "we dont have a country anymore so we die for another one" ?

[sacred snow]

yea like they had a super cool setting of a near future apocalypse setting

[supple marsh]

it was all about the events leading up to the world of 2042

[sacred snow]

and they did NOTHING

[outer tapir]

i mean, there is more lore in the scredit scene BEFORE the madmax movie start than there is the entire 2042 game

[sacred snow]

the wall of texts throughout the seasons gave context about the world and its actually really interesting
the problem is that the only people who actually read that are conditioned to do so because they play destiny

they were literally building up towards battlefield 2142

[outer tapir]

lol they made lore in between seasons ?

[sacred snow]

istg if i raid their office rn i will 100% find a model of a giant mech in some interns laptop for 2042’s season 8

[outer tapir]

i wish they would make titanfall 3 instead

its the best damn game

[sacred snow]

the fall in titanfall is so real😭

i pray for apex’s downfall every day

[outer tapir]

same even tho i play it

[sacred snow]

like they always do this,just when the game is finally good/about to get good they ditch it

bf5 life cycle was meh until they drop the Pacific

absolute cinema

peak fiction even

battlefront 2 too

[outer tapir]

the og battlefront 2 lets be real

[sacred snow]

never played it so cant comment

the new one is good if you ignore the lootboxes

[outer tapir]

well lootboxes are annoying tbh

[sacred snow]

yknow i was really kinda siding with EA when the news about what actually happened with Anthem dropped

[outer tapir]

when its only for skin its not THAT bad but when its for everything

[sacred snow]

“random mechanic”

[outer tapir]

yeah fk that

[lapis pier]

I hope somebody else takes over bf

[frozen sparrow]

it's fun but quite frankly the gameplay is a little bit wack let's be real

it can't be too complex or skillful cus kids and families wanna play star wars

that's my take at least

[outer tapir]

zempella did

so we can expect something good

[lapis pier]

Thank god

One less thing in EA greedy hands

[outer tapir]

its still in ea, just changed director

[hoary harbor]

Same though

[hoary harbor]

I still remember the trailer being the coolest shit

[sacred snow]

yknow rumor has it that bf2025 will be set in roughly the same period as 2042

a bit earlier but this time it will have a campaign

[hoary harbor]

-cuts campaign
-says it's to focus on MP
-game launches and MP is a buggy mess

[radiant wharf]

"Titanfall mention detected 👀"

[radiant wharf]

What I hated was the fact that EA to launch TF2 between the new cod and bf of that year. And the fact that respawn cancelled TF3 development just because of the "battle royale" games hype, which I don't think was a bad idea back then, since it was just a hype (it would have it's downfall soon or later) but I also think apex was a big F you to veteran Titanfall players.

[sacred snow]

apex deserved that hack tbh

[hoary harbor]

They keep making Titanfall references and Easter eggs but refuse to actually make another Titanfall entry

Fr got viper's daughter as a playable character before tf3

[radiant wharf]

Yeah until those reference stopped making sense lore wise, like, a girl touches a radioactive battery used for a nuke ejection, and then she gained energy superpowers like WTF.

[outer tapir]

its not just ref or easter eggs its in the same universe

[hoary harbor]

I was holding out hope they'd add in cooper then remembered he's a pilot

[outer tapir]

ash is also a pilot, but its not the issue, game is years after tf2, cooper is old af

[radiant wharf]

Ballistic is 63 years old and Cooper would be 60, if even Ballistic can use the jump kit and slide without breaking his back, I think age wouldn't be an excuse for Cooper to not operate as a pilot anymore.

[outer tapir]

yeqh but still

old af

[frozen sparrow]

now, apply every criticism going from Tf2 to Apex, that’s how us Tf1 fans feel about Tf2

[radiant wharf]

Never had the opportunity to play Titanfall 1 bcs it's an Xbox exclusive, but at least TF2 doesn't have a permanent smart pistol on loadout or those burn cards or whatever were called.

[outer tapir]

tf1 isnt xbox exclusive

its on steam too

i mean it was, they pulled it out cause its unplayable now

[frozen sparrow]

nothing wrong with either of those

Tf1 was amazing, had great balance, great art direction

only people who didn’t play it just presume that the Smart Pistol and Burn Cards were unbalanced

[outer tapir]

thats very far from the truth, tf1 balance was horrendous

and it was multiplayer only

tf 2 wa sjust better on every level

[frozen sparrow]

thats very far from the truth

Arc Cannon Stryder is a bit OP
the -rare- burn cards to get a Titan instantly at the start of a match could be silly sometimes, although not even that huge an advantage

besides that everything is generally quite viable

maps are designed amazingly as well, much better than Tf2 maps (hence why they ported so many of them )

and why the lower tier of Tf1 maps were finished shortly before they started making Tf2 maps, there was some design philosophy overlap there

[outer tapir]

nah they were troo strong

smart pistol too

tf2 fixed that

[frozen sparrow]

no, it really wasn’t

[outer tapir]

yeah, really is

xd

thats why everybody hates it

[frozen sparrow]

I dominated public lobbies going 20-1 with the R-101C

[outer tapir]

so ?

i did the same with kraber and its the worst weapon

[frozen sparrow]

what was so op about the smart pistol

the slow ttk?

[outer tapir]

u think its slower than kraber ?

without even aiming ?

[frozen sparrow]

uh yes factually

it takes like 2-3 seconds to lock with the smart pistol

you can’t win head on with it, unless your opponent is just bad

[outer tapir]

yeah take a guess how long it takes with kraber to reload

[frozen sparrow]

don’t miss then

[outer tapir]

u know thats the wholepoint of the pistol

like, whats the point

[frozen sparrow]

sweeps up grunts

[outer tapir]

grunts are swept by anything

pistol isnt great for that

kraber even worse

[frozen sparrow]

so it can’t win fights, and it doesn’t supposedly do its intended purpose… how is it op?

[outer tapir]

man, if you dont bother reading my point im not gonna argue

its like shouting in the void at this point

[frozen sparrow]

at close ranges a sniper loses to a short range primary
who would’ve guessed

a sluggish giant 57 calibre sniper

[outer tapir]

who's talking about range

ah whatever you dont read what im saying im out

[frozen sparrow]

ok so long range… kraber has the advantage cus the smart pistol can’t even lock on to a certain distance

[frozen sparrow]

ye shan’t be missed, foolish one

[outer tapir]

dude dont @ me if you just want to be toxic

[frozen sparrow]

I was reading what you were saying, and disagreeing with you.

[frozen sparrow]

don’t brag about leaving when ur wrong

sorry but you just are
“smart pistol OP” is one of the most common false claims about Titanfall

and anyone who has played the game and can aim, can attest that it isn’t true

even NerdCubed says the smart pistol isn’t OP in his video lol

and he was the one using it

even Yahtzee liked Titanfall
Titanfall is FPS excellence

besides the price for content value which was objectively dumb.

[modest pebble]

I honestly don’t understand what the argument was

[outer tapir]

meh

dont bother its pointless anyway

[frozen sparrow]

if you had a point it wouldn't be pointless

[tulip cypress]

True

Plus, everyone that says you're wrong is toxic

[outer tapir]

no ?

why would they be ?

[rugged lava]

because the rules of the internet

[radiant wharf]

Because an opinion is only valid if you have arguments, if they don't have this, they're just toxic

[outer tapir]

yeah but that wasnt the issue here xd

what they said wasnt false, it was irrelevant

[modest pebble]

The whole argument was irrelevant lol

You 2 are arguing 2 different things

[outer tapir]

yeah thats what i said

[modest pebble]

Smart pistol is OP was the argument and yet kraber was talked about more then Smart pistol

lol

[frozen sparrow]

you were the one who brought up the Kraber??

[hoary harbor]

Smart pistol was only broken when they gave it to you in the campaign with infinite ammo

[pallid cedar]

cold take: Dark Souls 1/2/3 were never good entertaining games

[sacred snow]

if you eat ice would that substitute for drinking water🧐

[sacred snow]

lots of people find the challenge entertaining but yea i agree

[frozen sparrow]

i think like in terms of mass it’s less efficient for the same quantity of water

[frozen sparrow]

I also agree

[sacred snow]

i mean it would just melt down in your tummy and get absorbed into your body

so the process is slower but the final net gain is the same

assuming your throat doesn’t look like it has a tumor in there first

[random skiff]

Well not the same, you expend energy to crush ice and heat to break it down.
If you're having trouble with drinking water due to a taste issue, try adding a few drops of lemon to it.

[sacred snow]

i like water raw its just a weird discussion i had with a friend earlier

[random skiff]

Anyone remember when....unsmart people tried to market "raw water" as a thing? Like from rivers or creeks.
I'm still not convinced that wasn't just a Britta Filters marketing stunt.

[sacred snow]

i have foggy memories about it

it could be a stunt but then again people literally digested tide pods

not sure if its still a thing,washing pods i mean

[frozen sparrow]

you mean eating them or using them

i put them in my washing machine so

[random skiff]

That was a joke that some other people took seriously, because internet.

[sacred snow]

it became a tiktok trend too

[sacred snow]

ive been playing xd(efiant) again recently and they have a full auto lvoac before div2

thats criminal

[lapis pier]

Being honest i dont know the size. I just look at google images and lvoa c seems longer

[modest pebble]

Or was the stock C 16

Kinda seems pointless to me

Tho I like LVOA so I wouldn’t mind

They would have almost identical stats to m4

It’s same barrel length

Gassing is slightly different but game can’t really convey that

[lapis pier]

I mean we have police m4 in div 2

In div 1 we had m4 carabine that you could call similiar to lvoa c

[modest pebble]

They were identical in div 1

Well maybe slightly different but

[modest pebble]

Div 1 was lightweight m4 and LVOA

[frozen sparrow]

and Police

[frozen sparrow]

lightweight and lvoa had different recoil directions

[modest pebble]

Did they?

[frozen sparrow]

yea

[modest pebble]

I thought they were the same but I don’t really remember

[lapis pier]

No way

[frozen sparrow]

LVOA-C had almost purely vertical recoil

[lapis pier]

Being honest exotics will be always kinda diffrent from the base

Even if the gun is almost the same to other

They should add it because its iconic

And if they didnt have a problem doing it in div 1

They shouldnt have it later

[modest pebble]

I mean technically they were keeping the LVOA true to real life cuz the LVOA was primarily a semi only gun

But that’s stupid cuz nothing in this game is true to life lol

[lapis pier]

I mean the snow was kinda real

[radiant wharf]

I wish they added maxim 9 as a normal pistol instead of a specialization weapon

[lapis pier]

Too cool to be a normal weapon

[random skiff]

I wish people would read the name of this channel and stop talking div2 in it.

but we don't get what we want.

[outer tapir]

yeah otherwise i'd get titanfall 3

[modest pebble]

Is it really that bad lol. It was half about guns half about div 1

[lapis pier]

Should we go back to the moon?

[outer tapir]

not really

no point going there at all

[lapis pier]

No point now

Maybe a base in the next century

But now what, plant another flag?

[outer tapir]

even in 500 years, there is no point

and thats if humanity survive this century, which is def not certain lmao

global warming says we're headed to extinction

humans cant survive 50°c

the moon has nothing interesting for humans

nothing to dig up, nothing to set up that couldnt be set in space, etc

why go to the moon when litterally you could just have the same in space anywhere else

also humans arent made for space either, they get health condition pretty fast

thats not even counting the fact that anything you build for space doesnt last very long, and has to be replaced/fixed all the time or it crumble

cause space is a junkyard

yeah future doesnt look good

[frozen sparrow]

which is why NASA’s Artemis III mission plans to land humans on the moon.

ofc

makes perfect sense

[frozen sparrow]

and Artemis IV’s mission statement is to build Gateway, a lunar space station

[hoary harbor]

Haven't even explored the oceans depths and we be trying to expand into the rest of the solar system

[lapis pier]

I think its easier to go into space than fight the oceans pressure

[lapis pier]

The best worst scenario is another war and we kill eachother to a number that somehow can survive.

Wont be nuclear since i dont think anybody is that dumb. If we reduce earth population bu half the global warming maybe wont come as fast as now

Or somebody will think he is Armherst and it might be same outcome

[random skiff]

This isn't really a good server to discuss reddit-level history.

[rocky bison]

It may be possible that both TD1 and TD2 will predict the future.

[random skiff]

If the future includes unlimited ammo turrets, and infinitely respawning seeker mines, that's not a future I want to live in.

Don't look too closely at the science of the div franchise. It's a video-game, not real life.

[rocky bison]

Look at what China did for example they made warhounds in real life.

[random skiff]

Boston Dynamics made those like 20 years ago, I had a remote control robot dog when I was a kid.
Nothing div does is particularly original or new, but it's their take on it that we enjoy.
But they are 100% not predicting the future.

[rocky bison]

Of course not totally.

[pallid glen]

Infinite flame turret about to make me a walking warcrime

[sacred snow]

my random 2 cent is that warhounds aren’t very practical since they’d either be shredded to pieces due to lack of armor/mobility or they’re just mobile mortars at best

[random skiff]

I'm now remembering that bit from the first Robocop when the unkillable murder walking tank couldn't go down stairs.

[sacred snow]

how many old movies do you remember or am i too much of a zoomer

[random skiff]

I mean, I grew up on VHS so 🤷‍♀️

[lapis pier]

The turrets look like automated P90

With tiny legs

[hoary harbor]

the ed 209 or something

[outer tapir]

ah yes, the very famously known claptrap

[random skiff]

I've got to say, Sevagoth Prime cleans up really nice.

[radiant wharf]

Probably, I have played other games that like to use the P90 as a mobile turret, I mean, when the turret isn't a Browning M2 or a minigun.

[lapis pier]

Its a perfect gun for that

[radiant wharf]

Just because it has a belt-like magazine, what makes it easier to put in a small rectangular on a mobile turret design.

[lapis pier]

And cant forget the firerate

[sacred snow]

i grinded for 2 sevs because i thought they were gonna drop either xaku or yareli prime first,now i have a spare one with 4 formas on:(

[random skiff]

That's how WF is sometimes. You nuke something out even if it has 6 forma (cough OG chroma cough), or you bite the bullet and buy an extra slot.

[left prawn]

Anyone have any headset recommendations? i’m not that worried about the price i’m just looking for comfort but also something that is good sound quality for long sessions

i mainly play on xbox now so if it had a mic that’s nice

[sacred snow]

i cant give a recommendation but what i can tell you to do is to stay away from sony

if you go a bit budget on their stuff they will flat out dump you the momen your stuff gets past warranty date

[lapis pier]

I use Razers Blacksharks V2 and they work good for me. The mic is not that bad and cant say anything bad about the sound

[worthy cave]

Is anyone else getting Mike-01 Error

It says there’s nothing wrong with the servers online but it keeps on saying services are not available whenever I try loading it up

[timber coral]

Maintenance -> https://twitter.com/TheDivisionGame/status/1828145394880065863

Tom Clancy's The Division (@TheDivisionGame) on X

To perform infrastructure updates, we'll be taking #TheDivision2 servers down for scheduled maintenance Tuesday, August 27, at 8 AM CET, 2 AM ET, 11 PM PT.

🕗 Estimated downtime is 5 hours

Twitter · Aug 26, 2024, 7:00 PM

[worthy cave]

Ah thank you

[hexed field]

why was this not under server -status or news and announcements.? omg these guys are so unorganized. they just can't do it right.

[random skiff]

Twitter is not the most stable of platforms these days, I think it's safe to assume that we can blame the old blue bird.

[sour moon]

Walking 800 metres home cus bus was in wrong lane and couldn't stop at bus stop 😀

[lapis pier]

What happened to Ubi workshop?

[plucky lodge]

It never was in the first place

Considering it's an unstable mental hellhole there

I saw people fighting over a children's legal name

[tulip cypress]

@random skiff sorry for bothering you

[random skiff]

@tulip cypress Oh no by all means, this is what I like to be bothered by.

[outer tapir]

yeah twitter isnt great

i stay there cause i got a good curated timeline

but if you dont thats worse than hell tbh

since elon bought its been worse than ever before

id say even worse than his cars

[forest beacon]

go on X, search #JusticeforMyst, if you think it's justified, you're 0 IQ

[outer tapir]

the f is myst

also who call twitter x

[tulip cypress]

former Twitter

[forest beacon]

I called it twitter until the URL changed, after that, it just causes confusion with the uninitiated.

[outer tapir]

not really, everybody call it twitter

even thoses who dont know about it

also waht the f is myst

[analog shadow]

We should continue calling it twitter because elon was an idiot for changing it

Literally changed it for no other reason other than his ego

[rugged gorge]

Twitter>x

[lapis pier]

Blue bird the best name

[outer tapir]

yeah elon is a child

[lapis pier]

Does anybody know the status of Div Resurgence?

[random skiff]

The status is "not out yet" and knowing any project related to MSV, that's the status you're going to get until juuuuust before it's released.

[lapis pier]

I wonder if they will optimize the game after the release

Because at the start i could sign up for beta testing with my A50 but now it says that it wont work on my device

I read somewhere that they said it will be done after the release

[random skiff]

I'm sure any info is subject to change and more importantly: a lot of the info will be covered by the NDA, so be quite careful.

[lapis pier]

Now all we have to do is wait. Ehen i googled the release date it said 2025 so fingers crossed

[ember mica]

I got my first Master Grade!

[lapis pier]

Congrats!

[ember mica]

It’s a Unicorn Gundam Banshee.

[amber horizon]

be careful with that one, it reaaaaaally doesnt wanna stay together, in either mode

[dreamy gazelle]

Howdy

[wooden lantern]

sup?

[radiant wharf]

Back then, I was wondering why the division didn't have a stealth system before heartland. But after seeing how the AI works in star wars outlaws while you are stealthy, I guess that explains why

[void heart]

Is it possible to make a marine corps agent? I doubt it but it would be sick

[pliant carbon]

Ello, first time typing here(not really), is it allowed to reach out to a particular Ubisoft member in this server, i wanna discuss about a few things with them

its not about any game, moreso social media and that sorta stuff

btw they arent really a mod on this server, nor do they have a special role

and why do i feel like ive seen the word "Yannick" some place else? cant really put my finger on it🤔

[random skiff]

You aren't allowed to contact anyone with a blue name, who are the MSV/Ubisoft staff members.
Doesn't matter the reason, there's a flat "no" on it.

Yannick is the lead dev on div2, and the Creative Director at MSV (Massive Entertainment).

[pliant carbon]

Aight, fair enough

Only the blue roled people cant be talked to? The person im trying to reach out to however does not have a blue nametag though

[unborn wadi]

Hey

[pliant carbon]

hi

[unborn wadi]

I'm new here

[pliant carbon]

nice

[unborn wadi]

just hit lvl 40

[pliant carbon]

i havent even touched div 2 in half a year

[unborn wadi]

i was following a guide on

[unborn wadi]

Oh nice to meet you

[pliant carbon]

nice to meet you too

[unborn wadi]

Im stuck my inventory is full i don't know what to do

[pliant carbon]

maybe #td2-general-chat can help

but usually, i just sell it

[unborn wadi]

Thank you

[random skiff]

@pliant carbon DM me their profile name, I'll take a look for you.

[soft wave]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adeESOq-SZw

[soft wave]

[random skiff]

Was there a reason for that ping?

[soft wave]

I don't know.

[outer tapir]

you shouldnt ping people for no reason

[sour moon]

Now the 3-4 year wait for Division 3

[outer tapir]

if we're lucky

[cobalt radish]

gets scrapped

[sour moon]

All fun and games till they do a collaboration with south park or something

[lapis pier]

"Is that the guy from fortnite?"

[sour moon]

Lol last time i paid attention to fortnite was in 2019 before chapter 2 came out

[lapis pier]

Look at it now, every season is another colab with somebody

[pliant carbon]

🥲 i wanna go back to the TDR server

[frozen sparrow]

imagine Ubi starts bringing back older titles and gives us the Clancyverse B Team
Haze, HAWX... Endwar idfk in a shared universe

[sturdy igloo]

Early Access starts Sept 24 https://youtu.be/xIRrKM4AUW4?si=t9T6erIbt2Y6OfBC

Looks to be a Grimdarkzone take on Heartlands

[random skiff]

So it's a more-ish live-service GTFO?

[outer tapir]

idk gtfo but forever winter is sold as a tarkov style but post apo

but you arent really over powered compared to other, you're more closer to a civilian

[random skiff]

GTFO is best described as a "you are a level 1 who snuck into the final dungeon" kinda game.

[outer tapir]

well i guess its a mix of gtfo and tarkov then

i dont like the tarkov gameplay but i REALLY like the vibe in forever winter

its so bad an hellish

i always have a soft spot for post apocalypse setting but a really bigger one for thoses worlds where hope doesnt even exist

thats why i love madmax 1 and 2

[random skiff]

Mad Max 2 notably does have a relatively positive ending, just not for Max, although even him in the 3rd one is better off.

[outer tapir]

well the ending of the 2 is more like "you get to live another day"

not really a "its getting better"

i love the last one too

[random skiff]

It's one way to look at it, but each movie is more positive than the previous one.
I actually saw one of the cars they used in the movie years back. It's in a kinda "shrine" setup.

not too far away from where they filmed it actually.

[outer tapir]

i mean, nowadays they need to get a not too bad ending so that people dont feel bad when they got out of the movie

thats why even in films like 2012 and other catastrophic films even if half the planet is dead, its like "the heroes survived so all good guys"

but the reality is : we are not well

[random skiff]

There are still plenty of bleak movies now, and there was more than their fare share of overly preppy movies back then.
You really shouldn't compare deliberate schlock like 2012 to actually well crafted films.

[outer tapir]

im talking 2012 cause its famous, but most apocaliptic movies like that are the same tbh

some movies do get a more sad approach, but they are more niche

[random skiff]

I mean, some sure because otherwise they wouldn't be dumb-fun popcorn films.
Although there are a few movies like that with actually bleak endings. Deep Impact comes to mind.

[outer tapir]

yeah deep impact was cool

im so old now lmao

[random skiff]

It's hard to describe this to someone who isn't from here, but the Mad Max movies (particulary 2 and onwards) are actually very optimistic in a uniquely "australian" way.

[outer tapir]

but even if they are good, they dont struck as hard my need for hopelessness

[outer tapir]

yeah, thats why i prefer the ending of the first one, but the others arent bad like they ar eoptimistic but not too much, its still hell out there

[random skiff]

There are absolutely some USA directors who go that route too, but for the most part, you sound like you'd enjoy Thatcher-era british films.

[outer tapir]

yeah prob