td2-general-chat

[lone valve]

It's absolutely ridiculous let me tell you

I'm assuming it's great in pve with that method

[autumn furnace]

its like getting HB stacks from sniper drone^^ or shooting at friendlys holo^^

[inland crescent]

hehehe working as intended !

[still granite]

Dread apparently stacks from any dmg. You explode a dude with a grenade and you get a stack. You bleed an enemy and each bleed gives dread a stack

[inland crescent]

dread is dope, nothing is as OP as old school 1 & 2 tap deadeye in division 1

remember 1 shot seeker mine.. people characters would fly through the air when hit .. was so wild

[still granite]

Only thing from div2 that was more broken than HB that I remember was the dps glitch.

And I actually think HB is doing unintended math behind the scenes, so it could theorically be a glitch

[inland crescent]

yea your right.. HB with ravenous stacks and holster and pistol.. almost a billion dmg.. something has to be a lil off lol

[still granite]

Set says its addtive dmg, but its not.

Could be text error. Could be dmg error. One of both

Or maybe when they say it is more weapon damage to x status effect, then it implies it is amplification?
Like dmg to armor would be the same logic as dmg to enemies on fire.

[inland crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/desk-thinking-flag-desk-thinking-busy-gif-17658510

tryna figure out the math right now haha

[dull blaze]

U ever timed how long it takes to get to the room lmao? Sub 20 is in no way a reliable number to go off

[lone valve]

Yea let's hold the floor 10 speedruns tournament

[wind spoke]

Guys need help im in the weekly mission just me and a friend and we are stuck in the last part can someone help ? D: please

[copper oar]

What is the range of a Grenade Launcher? Is the range farther than the length of an American Football Field?

[still granite]

I cant but what mission is it? Curiosity

[wide condor]

bet its darpa lab or tidal basin

[fair lake]

Which pistol we're talking about in this setup? D50?

[fiery cloud]

Regulos

[azure lintel]

1bil damage is not impossible 👀

[unborn pollen]

game finished reinstalling, lets see if it stopped it from crashing lol

[azure lintel]

nah it won't 😎

[unborn pollen]

probably no

not*

[azure lintel]

totally won't

[signal tree]

will Ubi recalculate Expertise level on behalf of the amount of Proficient Items as pr. days date ?

[fair lake]

You can't use 2 exotics at once

[azure lintel]

It's with D50

[fair lake]

Ty

[azure lintel]

Probably the 1 shot Grey setup

[fiery cloud]

Ooooops me bad

[unborn pollen]

lol the game now crashes while launching it

i love paying for crash simulator 2022

[azure lintel]

ayy

[fair lake]

I'm thinking about bullying 2-nd boss DH raid. Is it still possible to get stacks from decoy?

[azure lintel]

TD2 stands for The Dpleaseworkfortheloveofgodihavetriedeverything 2

[unborn pollen]

it actually does and its sad

[azure lintel]

Nah don't think so XD works in DZ though against rogue Decoys

[fair lake]

Hmmm.... Ok, gonna be fast then)

[azure lintel]

But for 1 bil damage I don't think you even need HB, I'll post the video in build advice

[fair lake]

I mean, I have time to do 50% damage to boss in purple zone with HB and Kingslayer, wonder what will happen to him in your build)

[unborn pollen]

2nd crash while launching game... oml

surely itll work on a 3rd try right?

[fair lake]

Per(no)haps

[unborn pollen]

yea it probably wont... if it crashes again i cba and will probably just go to bed lol

ive tried every possible thing to fix the crashes and it seems like half of them only made it worse....

[azure lintel]

Wait until tomorrow tbh

I've been butting heads with this game recently and eventually decided to just wait for the update

[unborn pollen]

i thought tu15 would fix a bunch but it only made things worse :/

im on the game now but it probably wont let me for long

[azure lintel]

TU15 screwed a lot of things, which is why we're waiting for 15.1

[unborn pollen]

which is tomorrow right?

[azure lintel]

Between Countdown and now they haven't done any updates

Yeah

[unborn pollen]

hopefully itll make things better

9 lvls from the new exotic mask that i really want, i hope the game will let me atleast get that before crashing again

[still granite]

We dont know.
However it seems like they have some powerful server systems behind the scenes that is able to track you all the time. We dont know how it works exactly of course.
But hopefully they will be able to fix it

[tender wave]

probably/hopefully they'll take a snapshot at the beginning of tomorrow's maintenance and use that

[fair lake]

Imaging rolling everything to release)

[azure lintel]

the just take shit out of their dev build and call it their prod build 😎

[unborn pollen]

you know d2 is a good game when it makes you feel like youre playing dark souls...

[quiet sky]

Fuck the devs man, I spend DAYS grinding my damn level now they are going to roll back. Fuck this game

TRASH DEVS

[spring pecan]

wait whats going to be rolled back?

[sharp needle]

expertise levels

[spring pecan]

rolled back to what?

[quiet sky]

EVERYONE EXPERTISE

[spring pecan]

back to zero?

[quiet sky]

And your weapons and armor you upgraded all them materials wasted

Will be rolled back

Read the update for tomorrow

Or watch dooms video

He’s even pissed

[vestal vale]

its not all that bad

[spring pecan]

i don't know who dooms is

but if that fixes the bug, sure why not

[quiet sky]

https://youtu.be/Xc36Y6AL8mg

They are going to now give less xp a kill

[copper oar]

It won't be reduced to complete zero. I am only Level 6 Expertise and it might go down to Level 3 or something. Although, I can sympathise for all that grind for materials invested into upgrades is going to waste but Massive did say they will compensate for that with SHD Cache and Materials.

[dull blaze]

Why u guys all so suprised by this lmao

[vestal vale]

there not going to give less

[tawny musk]

Can anyone check #td2-build-advice

[dull blaze]

Could have gone two ways, they either reset every1 to correct lvls or let ppl get the 30 cap with ease

[vestal vale]

right now it give 2x the kill xp

[bitter wraith]

Can u get eagle bearer on discorvery?

[vestal vale]

no

[prisma dove]

noop

[bitter wraith]

If i st it to normal and then matchmake so randoms join then will he drop be ge eqivalent of getting it on heroic?

[prisma dove]

you can't matchmake on normal

[copper oar]

Here is recommended action to take before the Rollback occurs. Take a screenshot of your current status of Expertise and then compare.

[bitter wraith]

So basically you can't do it on normal? Well thats fking dumb

[prisma dove]

you need a premade group

[vestal vale]

i think its a 1% drop

[dull blaze]

Yes and then let everyone know how much u abused the tombs exploit

🫣

[prisma dove]

nobody cares

[bitter wraith]

Except i have no one that plays this game. Game is almost dead for me

[dull blaze]

Everyone above 20 has cheesed their way there anyways

[prisma dove]

clans
discords

[dull blaze]

Either by making second characters or doing tombs

[bitter wraith]

"You need a mic though"

[vestal vale]

this game is no dead

[prisma dove]

that is your problem

[bitter wraith]

I honestly am gping to try and wipe my memory of the EB ever existing

[bitter wraith]

To me yes it is. No one plays this only randoms and half of the good sruff is locked behind gamemodes

Eb for example

[prisma dove]

high end gear is better than eb

[bitter wraith]

Exactly. Exactly why the game is dead

[reef reef]

"half the good stuff" yeah nah

[bitter wraith]

At least solo it is

[prisma dove]

that makes no sense
how is the game dead when you play solo

[bitter wraith]

If you recal 7 times it is

[reef reef]

eb is a luxury if anything, outperformed by any gun with a dmg talent

[prisma dove]

no?

[vestal vale]

i know alot of people that play this game on xbox

[bitter wraith]

Because certain stuff being locked behind DZ or 8 player raids or conflict or whatever else there is just makes it pointless to make cdrtain builds that basically require that specifc rifle or that specific pistol to actually be useful

[wide condor]

and there are no builds that require EB

[bitter wraith]

Irl? Or just online know them?

[bold bane]

I hope they revamp some exotics like EB

[prisma dove]

dz are farmable

also you can get dz items in lz from named caches

you are literally complaining because oyu can't just go in summit and get all the items

[bitter wraith]

Some say you need EB and then give you a link to pay for a virtual AR in a game which is most certainly a scam anyway

[wide condor]

you can just matchmake conflict, you can even clear it solo if you have a good build

[vestal vale]

both

[bitter wraith]

Thats my point

[prisma dove]

you would have hated this game when you actually had to play

the fucking game
to get items
instead of running sumimt

[bitter wraith]

Lucky you 👍

[prisma dove]

stop complaining that you have stuff to play
take destiny for example
every activity gives you different stuff

destiny has LOTS of players

[bitter wraith]

I mean how some thigs like the orbit are locked in DZ which are literally UNPLAYABLE solo on american/european servers

[prisma dove]

they are not

[bitter wraith]

At least to farm anything excdpt landmarks

[prisma dove]

they are totally playable
and you can still make solo dzs to farm

[bitter wraith]

But to actually extract? Good luck you'll need it

[prisma dove]

on xbox maybe
the most popular dz place

[bitter wraith]

Not when heres 3 rogues round every cprner spamming shield everywhere lmao

[vestal vale]

i have got some thing out of the dz runing solo it not that hard if you know what your doing

[bitter wraith]

"Know what your doing" thats the problem. You have to actually be experienced with the dz to do anything

[vestal vale]

no you dont

[bitter wraith]

My HB build seems pointless with fog of war on

[bitter wraith]

Rogues will attack you just because they can. I'm good wih them actually taking the loot but destroying it and drilling my armour in a nanosecond just for a 2 second long kick...just play a different game at that point

Sorry for the rant have a good day

[vestal vale]

that is DZ for you

that is why somethings is locked in the dz

[fair lake]

I got all DZ exclusive stuff form named caches. No need to complain about the stuff, there is a way to avoid DZ)

[bitter wraith]

And thats why i avoid it. Wish i could freely gp in it without being shot in the head instantly every time i leave a CP

[bitter wraith]

But the orbit isnt a part of those caches

[vestal vale]

yes it is

[fair lake]

It is, mate

Everything is there

[bitter wraith]

Wait what? Since when?

[fair lake]

Since season 1, March 2020

[bitter wraith]

💀 ty for letting me know

[vestal vale]

to me it sounds like someone wants things for free

[bitter wraith]

Someone said a few months ago it wasn't

[quiet sky]

#justiceforjohnnyyyyy

[bitter wraith]

Nah i just want to grind in peace away from the rogues

[azure lintel]

🙂

[red glade]

You

[fair lake]

You're welcome. Personal recommendation - farm Global Event stars and spend them on Named Caches at Season Vendor. And pray for luck, it's not gonna be 1st or 2nd box for sure) @bitter wraith

[red glade]

do not need to go into the DZ

Farm Countdown now, for CD currency and buy named caches.

No event req.

[bitter wraith]

Ngl exotic caches arent worth it anymore anyway so ty

[bitter wraith]

This

[coarse lagoon]

is someone dossing the server or soemthning? I keep getting D/C

[vestal vale]

you will need the exotic caches to update your guns

[vapid crypt]

Manhunt targets drop DZ exclusives

[fair lake]

They're worth for me, because I have every named item, so named caches are pointless for me (I don't have Chillout mask, because I didn't play during that time)

[red glade]

Like seriously, imagine complaing about a game that basically gives you EVERY way almost to get everything you want with basic effort. Only thing that requires some brains are the raids, and honestly, once you know them, their easy. SO really....Stop complaing, and learn the game.

[fair lake]

Exotic caches are the only thing to buy for me to do expertise upgrades to lvl 20

[copper oar]

I just saw named item weapon named after the Ship in ACO.

[bitter wraith]

I know but i don't do that atm

[fair lake]

@red glade countdown with randoms can be a real shitshow sometimes)

[red glade]

Yes and no, the problem with CD right now, is the connection issues, especially for those of us in the US, who constantly get MM into a Euro or Asian server.

[fair lake]

As a person from Europe, I confirm this shit 200%

We are constantly dropped to American / Asian servers

[tawny musk]

I don’t understand something. Im now at that gear score with world tier 1 . When im getting the shd levels then ?

[red glade]

Depending on my luck, I'm lucky to complete 1-2 runs of CD out of 10.

[vestal vale]

then i would start saving up for when you need to

[red glade]

Lvl 40 after you get Keener's watch.

[fervent berry]

Finish WONY @tawny musk

[tawny musk]

I just bought the normal edition. Is that a dlc ?

[red glade]

It is, Warlords of New York. It's the expansion.

[fervent berry]

The base game doesn't include Warlords of New York, unless you got the ultimate edition. WONY is separate DLC

[tawny musk]

Omg so i need to buy the dlc for 30 euro to get the shd levels ?

So im in the score thing for ever if im not buying it ?

[wide condor]

ehh on ubi store you can just get wony edition for 12 euro here, thats base game+ wony

[steel token]

I’ve opened over 20 names caches and no harmony 🥲

[tawny musk]

Im ps

[fervent berry]

Isn't the DLC reduced at the moment?

[wide condor]

ah yeah for ps i dunno

[fervent berry]

But yeah, you need the expansion to keep going after you reach World Tier 5

[tawny musk]

Only games . Normal edition 9 euro , warlods expansion with the game 18 euro and ultimate 24 euro or something

Not the dlc its still 30 euro

[fervent berry]

I think so. You'll be at GS 510+ without SHD levels if you don't have WONY

[tawny musk]

I bought the 9 euro thing . Now i need to buy the dlc for 30 wtf . If i knew I could’ve bought the ultimate for 24 now

[novel laurel]

Just buy the edition with warlords for 18 euro instead of buying the dlc

[tawny musk]

I already bought it for 9 euro im late(the digital game)

[novel laurel]

Ultimate isn’t really worth it imo

So just buy the other one😂

You can buy more than one game in different of a game on ps

[tawny musk]

No . It says unavailable

Because I already have the game

[fervent berry]

I never bought the ultimate edition. I purchased the base game (Washington DC Edition) then got WONY DLC when reduced to a fiver

[novel laurel]

That’s what I did when I got the dlc

So idk what to tell you, I had the base game then bought the mid tier edition because it was cheaper than just the dlc

Could be a location thing

[fervent berry]

Idk about PS store but there's currently a publisher sale on Xbox and I might have seen WONY reduced atm

[azure lintel]

what would be the second best way to level up shd @novel laurel i cant find anyone so i need a solo method

[tawny musk]

But this sucks man. I thought that it was unnecessary to buy the other editions when u just can buy the normal game but ye … . Im not buying other editions anymore in games because it’s not useful but in this game you need it for the levels that sucks. Ubisoft is just scamming right now .

[novel laurel]

@azure lintel definitely floor 10 xp farm if you can go legendary, other than that I would say control points give decent xp and are really enjoyable to me

Directives are your friend for xp

[fervent berry]

But you don't need to buy the other editions. Warlords of New York is a standalone DLC that you could get without any frills or faff if you can

[azure lintel]

what difficulty should i run for the cp's

cuz i need a stable one if im going to want to finish the seasn pass in time, im at level 17 atm

[wide condor]

you have plenty of time to finish that lol, atleast 12 more weeks, and every manhunt target you get bonus xp event

[tawny musk]

U didn’t understand me . I was saying that i was not buying the other versions of the game anymore because that it’s not worth it the content(in other games) . But in this game it’s give’s u the new level things and I didn’t know that so i just bought the normal edition and now i need to buy that other standalone dlc for 30 euro c’mon

[fervent berry]

Right, I see what you mean. I've just checked at the Xbox store too. €30 for the DLC 💩

It was as low as 7 or 8 quid two weeks ago or so

[tawny musk]

I mean im okey with that ubisoft makes premium missions or something but not a level system for money …?

[fervent berry]

I can't justify why it would be 30 quid, but WONY is a massive expansion to the base game. It's essentially half of TD2's endgame content so far

Perhaps soon enough, summer sales will pop up and it'll have an 80 something percent discount at the store where you can take advantage of it

[tawny musk]

It’s basically ur paying x2 for one game ?

[vapid crypt]

Over here in Aus it costs like $55, it's crazy how much it costs

[fervent berry]

Honestly I just took advantage of the bargain, mate. I've returned from a 2-year break and I'm only back because I got WONY for a fiver.

[vapid crypt]

^

That's my case ngl

Base game is dry ever since they added WONY

[fervent berry]

Bone dry, I'd say. TU6 was fun, or what update was it when they introduced Dark Hours... But that was it. And WONY is an attempt to bring the game back to life

[vapid crypt]

TU7 was when I got crazy interested

Because that's when everything worked and you had no limitations on what you could make

[tawny musk]

I should’ve bought the ultimate 24 euro or the WONY edition 18 euro . I made a big mistake because i didn’t know that it would’ve been necessary. I bought the game for 8 euro and now im gonna wait till the standalone dlc drops the price -.- , i thought that it would’ve been unnecessary like in the other games just extra content

[vapid crypt]

Plus y'know, holster talents

[fervent berry]

I do sincerely feel bad. I literally waited 2 years just to get back. But ya know, again, you have a chance with summer sales usually

Keep an eye out for a sale hopefully soon

[still granite]

Its on sale all the time

[fervent berry]

Yes, I heard about this. Unfortunately for me, this was my time to suffer a near mental breakdown while writing a stupid thesis 😂

[fervent berry]

It's full price atm on the European Microsoft store

I personally wouldn't pay 30 quid on this knowing that a sale may come up soon enough

[wide condor]

its on discount on ubi and epic games (12 euro for wony edition)

[tawny musk]

Man games are nothing on pc they are sooo cheap . On ps games are really expensive. Only the discounts are good 👹

[wide condor]

always felt that was the case with console ps/xb, relatively cheap console but high prices on the actual games

worth it tho for some games like tlou

[fervent berry]

It has its hits and misses, but I've always wanted to build my own pc and stay there for a bit

[supple stream]

I'm a new player that has no idea how this expertise change works, since I've only upgraded 1 of my weapons once, I assume it will impact me very little?

[bitter wraith]

Save GE stars or countdown requisition?

[proper slate]

As a player who's put thousands of hours into the game, including hundreds since the Tu15 launch, the nerfing of prof/exp is pretty hard to swallow. This has killed Div2 for me. It shows there is total disregard for the players, and just business decisions to try squeeze every last dollar out of it.

[vestal vale]

this broke back in the pts this is not even a nerfing it at all they are fixing it

[plush pine]

Does the bighorn drop from summit on legendary?

[vestal vale]

yes

[plush pine]

Any floors

[vestal vale]

boss floors would be best

[plush pine]

Aight thx

[autumn furnace]

boss floors most likely

[real locust]

same

idk when i even first started playing

[supple stream]

So, basically...they were giving too much expertise per level and are rolling back the difference, also downgrading any weapon that was upgraded with this?

[autumn furnace]

no....annick B u/yannickbch - This change will not take away any XP you gained. It will recalculate your expertise level based on how many proficiency ranks you have unlocked 5:09 PM · May 30, 2022·Twitter for Android

[supple stream]

Oh, cool.

It was the "This will also impact any item upgraded" part that confused me.

[hard cipher]

In the same boat. It will be back on sale in a couple weeks on ps like last month + the month before.

[lament mirage]

Did HB get nerfed

[fallen elbow]

Hey guys, is the game still active and worth joining? Looks like a pretty big community 😋

[cinder dock]

Game has a lot of content to grind for if u like grindy games

[fallen elbow]

I used to play td1 when it just came out, never played since, I guess it's way different now, I'll be happy to get some guidance on best practices for beginners

[cinder dock]

Story’s fun gameplays good game has players still its fun af atm as a returning player

[fallen elbow]

I guess I do 🥲

[azure lintel]

hate level grinds

[cinder dock]

They aint too bad you can hit different places for different loot

Level just comes w it imo

[azure lintel]

with d1 ye but d2 no

[fallen elbow]

Might give it a shot, rn playing ghost of Tsushima mostly, but I think game is slowly dying..
I'll watch some gameplays and #new-player-resources
Thanks

Also is d1 very different from d2?

[azure lintel]

imo VERY

[fallen elbow]

Should I start from d1 or go straight to d2?

[wide condor]

d1 certainly is worth a playtrough

[copper oar]

The system in D2 is definitely different. You might as well go to D2 and learn it's mechanics

[fallen elbow]

I played d1 when it came out, I'd probably go with the one with the larger and less toxic community 😅

[wide condor]

best not touch dz then xD

[tawny musk]

That game is far from dying

[fallen elbow]

I mean there are no more updates planned in the future

[tawny musk]

Are u guys capturing control points on the whole map or just doing the primair missions ? I still have to do all the side missions (im on score level 280 or something)

[spring pecan]

is the white death second secondary attribute random? headshot damage + rng?

[wide condor]

core attributes are always the same on that weapon, the other atribute is random

[tawny musk]

They already said that they are stopped with the support of the game. Because they did a lot with this game and after the ps5 version with the extra dlc campaign they stopped so that’s a normal thing

[still granite]

Every time I open the game, when I'm in the middle of a mission, it crashes. Every single time
After that it stops crashing
I learned that going in or out of Summit ALWAYS crashes, so every time I open the game, I just go out or in of Summit to have my first crash and allow me to play afterwards with no issues 😆

[spring pecan]

target out of cover is the best attribute for white death ? along with ranger talent?

[wide condor]

i had like 4 crashes today, then they stopped, yesterday i had 1 crash, its so rng when you get them, either very early after starting the game or after hours (6-7h+)

[lament mirage]

Si

[spring pecan]

thank you

[spring pecan]

thank you

[lament mirage]

Np

[fallen elbow]

Yep, so from now on I believe game will slowly die, don't get me wrong, I love this game but where there's no new content or money income games usually slowly die
Also the ground there is pretty easy

[tawny musk]

That game will definitely not die. All single player games are the same and the co op is really fun in that game and wym with ground is easy ?

[wraith current]

I'll usually get 1 crash after playing for a minute then it's fine for a long while after

[copper oar]

According to a tweet by Yannick, the following is said,

This change will not take away any XP you gained. It will recalculate your expertise level based on how many proficiency ranks you have unlocked.

Does this mean that, every XP we have gained thus far for out weapons, gears, etc will not be rollback but rather items that are already Proficient will be calculated towards the Expertise Level? This is how I am reading this.

[novel laurel]

I run heroic, I would say at least challenging

[copper oar]

Challenging is good but Heroic will give better loot

[novel laurel]

Usually standalone dlc doesn’t go on sale for what I remember, I would honestly just make another ps account to play and buy the mid tier edition on that

[zenith silo]

wut is this new update

[novel laurel]

I don’t think he can handle heroic yet, otherwise I would have suggested it, from what it sounds like he’s a new/returning player

[zenith silo]

a rollback?

i thought we had a PTS for this issue

[umbral juniper]

@zenith silo ya, it’s messed up, all that work we put in

[reef reef]

Even pts phases can have problems. It wasnt noticed in the pts. The rollback puts everyone on even footing.

[zenith silo]

no it doesnt

time cannot be refunded back

[umbral juniper]

…..even footing, the person who got one kill, will get the same material cache that I get for farming my ass off

[reef reef]

If you chose to put all of your time into the expertise system even after you knew it was bugged and granting more progress than intended, thats on you.

[zenith silo]

lol?

[reef reef]

You can moan and complain all you want. It wont be changing.

[umbral juniper]

Well that makes it better

[zenith silo]

wow so aggressive on a fact

[tawny musk]

Ur crazy

[umbral juniper]

Might as well just, roll the whole game back and blame anything lost on us for playing, it’s been bugged from day one. Using that analogy

[zenith silo]

ah yes why do i crash in the first ten minutes

[umbral juniper]

Your fault for playing, that’s why lol

[zenith silo]

dam

rip me crashing

[vapid crypt]

Well I mean, you won't necessarily lose your progress, you'll be put at the level that you should be

Keep complaining tho

[umbral juniper]

You won’t be compensated correctly, so it’s not all about progress, they state that

[azure lintel]

Honestly, better they solve this soon and risk pissing some people off

One case of Warframe in the world is honestly enough for me

[umbral juniper]

It has to be solved, I agree, but the time farming lost sucks

[wide condor]

wf had plenty of issues yeah xD

[rugged hatch]

Ugh the power creep in Warframe is so bad

[vapid crypt]

I fully agree with this

[copper oar]

PC Crashes won't be addressed until TU16 (which translate to few months from now) (probably).

[zenith silo]

give me my time back!!!!!!!!!!!

[rugged hatch]

I think Division 2 is in a good spot, they just need to fix some stuff and then add more.

[zenith silo]

im pretty sure they wont fix the pc crashes

[wide condor]

well if tu16 is coming with new season then yeah quite some time from now on, i just dont get it why it takes them that long to address the crashing, has been there for a very long time now (shortly after s4)

[azure lintel]

They will at least try to compensate the materials lost with it

[copper oar]

PC Crashes are a major issue at the moment but Massive won't do anything until TU16 and just let people crash over and over. The problem has been brought up time and time again but Massive thinks is not a major issue and puts it on the back burner.

[wide condor]

(thats besides the random dx12 crashes that have been there since forever)

[azure lintel]

It sucks to have some of the no-lifed time be for nothing, but, like... nothing left to do besides just dealing with it

[umbral juniper]

It will be a blanket compensation, they have no data on what was used

[azure lintel]

I mean, they could spend time tailoring each reward to each player, but considering the sorry state of the game I kind of would rather them do something else with that time

[copper oar]

For compensation they should give the following:

10x SHD Cache
10x Optimization Cache

[zenith silo]

thats like nothing

like a billion credits?

XD

[vapid crypt]

You'd buy two things and be poor again

Prices in the shops are crazy

[zenith silo]

ikr

i havent broken through 200k

in the past years of this game

15k for a named pistol? are you kidding me

[wide condor]

you mean you never had more than 200k? lol

[zenith silo]

no

i use it to recalibrate

a shit ton of shit

[wide condor]

oh yeah thats also what i do, stuff from vendors is rarely useful(maybe for beginners its okay)

[copper oar]

Actually let me redo what I said:

x20 SHD Cache
x20 Optimization Cache
x5 Exotic Cache
x5 Named Item Cache
500k JTF Currency

[zenith silo]

dam

thats okay

and jtf currency?

[copper oar]

I say it's a fair compensation.

[zenith silo]

do you mean e credits?

[copper oar]

In-game currency

[zenith silo]

dam

[copper oar]

If SHD Cache & Materials Cache is all their going to give then I say give the following:

x20 SHD Cache
x20 Optimization Cache

[wide condor]

inb4 all you get is 250 water/food XD

[azure lintel]

give me uhhhh btsu cap and we gucci

[rugged hatch]

Someone give me their not trash aim for my trash aim, it's a good deal I assure you.

[zenith silo]

no what about increase to inventory and stash and total materials held increased as well

[copper oar]

Increase to Inventory will not happen. Not now or in the future. This is coming from Massive. There are no plans to increase inventory (unfortunately).

rolling should put out fires.

[inland crescent]

that is no where in comparison nor even comes close to equating some of the higher level SHD players who used alts and burned tons of mats and purchased credits with watch levels of 6K-20K that's way too many materials in 2 weeks of grinding and purchasing weapons and upgrading gear some people have their entire builds proficient and leveled up 8-25 % on each peace expertise wise ... holy crap they gonna be pissed.

[lone valve]

All those exotics deconstructed
Gone, perished

[inland crescent]

some folks also used hundreds of millions of currency just to buy weapons of a specific type just to break down for the parts to upgrade the weapons they wanted... all those weapon alloys and things just str8t up gone for all those upgrades. thats wild

[split sail]

Are they actually banning people for doing the Tombs with the 6 piece gear set? I haven't heard it confirmed.

[inland crescent]

banning oh no .. i never heard that either.. either way the kill XP getting rolled back so that and summit will have proven .. sub par anyway

[vapid breach]

Is there something I can do to stop that console/controller glitch where you keep pulling back out your chem launcher when you try to switch back to your equipped weapon?

[split sail]

Oh for sure, they are gonna get hit the hardest.

[inland crescent]

i feel bad for the folks thats been upgrading all their gear on multiple load outs.

[split sail]

Same lol, I haven't been in the game much due to full-time work schedule so I'm going down 2 levels.

[inland crescent]

i only upgraded 1 weapon.. i didnt want to touch anything else until they sorted out what was what .. good thing i didnt waste any mats doing gear set and brand set items

[supple bison]

Looking for division 2 buddies feel free to add me ... psn is Darkshadows_585

[snow garden]

they just trying their best to fuxk the ppl who really like and playing a lot of this game

ppl who get their item lv up to 30 is a joke

[inland crescent]

man twitter and reddit gonna be on fire tomorrow or when after the update is .. youtube gonna be flooded with videos... so sad man.. such a positive comeback and update leading right back into a dumpster fire of outrage... geez this game cant catch a break

[snow garden]

oh BTW the refund materials are not Guaranteed

[inland crescent]

theres no way they could refund those anyway .. way tooo much was used with all these players

[snow garden]

LMFAO

THE REASON

yea I see what they doing , they just try to kick out all the ppl who still love this game so they can just shut the game down and leave the resource to other game lol

[copper oar]

I am guessing people missed this note:

This change will not take away any XP you gained. It will recalculate your expertise level based on how many proficiency ranks you have unlocked.

If I am translating this right, it means whatever XP you gained for your weapons, gear, skills, etc will not be taken away. Recalculation is based on how many items you are proficient with.

[azure lintel]

I guess we should probably just wait for the actual update before going "omg they ruined my game and they're trying to make people quit for the sake of it"

Just a thought, just a thought

[reef reef]

:0

:(

[copper oar]

So like was the combat XP rate not suppose to be x2 but rather x1?

[timber hatch]

What was happening was when you became proficient in something, you should have earned 10 exp towards the exp level. This was working as intended for donating items and materials, but if you earned through combat exp it was bugged and was giving 20 exp. This was causing people to reach exp level 20 with different amounts of things proficient and was reaching levels up to exp level 30 which was not intended.

What the update will do is reset that bugged exp back to what it should be, and put everyone on the same page again. This is good for the good of the game in the long run.

[copper oar]

I have like only 15 items proficient with an expertise level of 6. Hopefully it won't affected to much.

[timber hatch]

If you've got an expertise level of 6 you've got a lot more things proficient than that, or at least a lot more proficiency levels

[vestal vale]

that will make you expertise level 2

[timber hatch]

Basically for anyone who hasn't donated a single item or material, and only gained proficiency through just playing the game, your exp will be halved.

[copper oar]

I get that my Expertise Level will be rolled back but hopefully my gear and items that are already proficient hopefully won't be.

[vestal vale]

it will be just your Expertise Level

[copper oar]

I am cool with that then. Not a huge deal breaker (for me anyway)

[timber hatch]

Your gear will be capped at your new exp level, so that may go down but they mentioned they will be giving caches to roughly return lost materials.

To be clear, proficiency levels are not changing at all, only upgraded items that were leveled to a exp level that you didn't actually earn.

[copper oar]

It's not like 4% of Armour really did anything lol

[timber hatch]

Even at max exp leveling armor does effectively nothing

[copper oar]

Yeah, useless at best. Might as well just replace it with Weapon Damage instead for gear sets.

Massive should also compensate for Exotic Materials those things are not easy to come by.

[autumn furnace]

not easy to come by ?

[lament mirage]

I find those pretty ez

[autumn furnace]

same here

[lament mirage]

I’ll hit up a dz n get 3-5+ pestilence

Sometimes more on a good day

[vestal vale]

what i got 10 of them today just by runing countdown today

[lament mirage]

Then there’s the weekly projects n countdown vendor

[wide condor]

and event vendor, exchange the stars for exotic caches

[autumn furnace]

summit or just open world bounties.......3rd alt is full with chameleons^^

[azure lintel]

Think he means that you can't specifically farm exotic components. Exotics are RNG after all. Even with caches they cost the most.

So they are harder to farm in comparison to the other materials

[lament mirage]

All apart of the grind

[azure lintel]

Doesn't change the point but ok

[lament mirage]

Kinda does but ok

[lament mirage]

Si there’s way of stocking on em pretty ez just gotta farm n grind

[snow garden]

yes

just try to find out how much exotic components you need to be LV30 and you will kinda get it

its 200

[zenith silo]

'

[autumn furnace]

its 55 for lvl 20

[snow garden]

I mean from the 20 to 30

you need 200

[lament mirage]

That’s not too bad when u don’t think about it

[autumn furnace]

there is no 20+...never was never the intention for season 9

[azure lintel]

Not everyone is as casual as you

[snow garden]

lol trying to get paid at overtime but boss find out your too good for the job and cut you off

what you do

[azure lintel]

sucky sucky 5 dolla

[lament mirage]

Prob find a different job

[snow garden]

yup thats what they'r doing ~

to the player

[quiet sky]

So it takes like 9 exotics to level up from 16-17 all that fucking time wasted

I’m uninstalling this shit if they roll my back that far

[magic rock]

Is the merciless Assualf rifle or rifle ??

[autumn furnace]

rifle

[magic rock]

My last missing eoxdic

Exotic

[azure lintel]

is this roll back just for players over level 20 or will all players see a roll back?

[copper oar]

The rollback will affect those that were active in Season 09 which this includes players above Level 20 Expertise. For example, I am only Level 06 Expertise but due to recalculation I will definitely be rolled back a couple levels.

[hearty briar]

The Apparel event starts today right?

[azure lintel]

@copper oar dang. I grinded to level 14. hopefully it's not big

[copper oar]

Essentially everyone will be on equal footing in terms of Expertise (or according to their proficiency) That is how I understand it.

[copper oar]

Depending on where you are, it could be Monday or Tuesday.

[random kraken]

Whats an apparel event?

[arctic nexus]

adrenaline rush vs vigilance on AR PvP build with 1.3 mil armor???

[dull moth]

Is it worth buying the warlords dlc? Im fairly new and only just hit level 30 and everything seems to be focused on the dlc

[autumn furnace]

tbh...D2 without warlords isnt that good

u got this gearscore crap...playerbase is minimal

[gloomy lark]

If you like the game then yea

[dull moth]

Just seems like a bit of an expense i got the came back when it came out and i redownloaded after a few years and it just seems like everything is blocked behind a paywall after lvl 30

[autumn furnace]

paywall ?....its an expansion

[gloomy lark]

Wait for a sale if it isn’t on sale atm

[copper oar]

Its where new pieces of apparel will be released. You will be able to collect them by acquiring special apparel cache keys by leveling up and such.

[gloomy lark]

Should be fairly cheap

[random kraken]

Nice nice ty

[copper oar]

👍

[sacred remnant]

so will all players get caches for materials or are they only signaling out those who got above 20 even though they knew 20 was suppose to be max and tried to over complicate things on their own end?

[azure lintel]

You get caches if you're upgraded past your real Expertise level.

[sacred remnant]

well thats dumb it should be all or none

[snow garden]

quote to what they said? dont know

[azure lintel]

Just refer to this.

[sacred remnant]

if people went over 20 thats their own problem they should of been more careful and thought things out

to many competitive players it seems had to have the bigger number

[snow garden]

when they can just stop you at 20 but they do a to 30 and now its your problem

lol nice

[sacred remnant]

hmmm they shouldnt promote those who were ignorant and leveled past 20 cause those who stayed back and kept it under 20 gets nothing in returnm

[snow garden]

and why only to 30? when I get to 30 it still room to more tho

wheres the 30+

there is 344 to max and i'm 30 like its 28X

[haughty summit]

Meanwhile me still at expertise 4 lol. Hopefully doesn't nerf my carbine 7 stuff too much

[snow garden]

so where is the 30+?

[azure lintel]

It's not only if you're past 20. Let's say you're currently Expertise 12 and you have a weapon that's upgraded to 12. If by the fix tomorrow you're Expertise 10, that weapon will be downgraded to 10 as well and you'll get caches as compensation for the 2 levels you lost

[rain jolt]

So, pulse immunity gets fixed this patch?

[azure lintel]

What's there to fix?

[sacred remnant]

yeah that shouldnt happen it should be give every1 10 caches call it even or just dont do it and let them cry about it

cause it honestly looks like a one sided playing field and mostly those who farm floor 10 will get the caches

they should patch floor 10 and stop people from doing it

[azure lintel]

WHAT

[sacred remnant]

make it harder

[rain jolt]

That is never going to happen

It's been here for several years

[sacred remnant]

yeah i know still would be nice cause those who are high levels in expertise just abused that non stop

[azure lintel]

The only people getting caches are the ones that actually lost materials from upgrading. If you didn't lose anything then why do you want something???

[sacred remnant]

im saying no one should get anything in all honesy

[snow garden]

they make it in purpose till they realized they F something up

[sacred remnant]

if they upgraded that high well boohoo on them

[haughty summit]

Floor 10 is weird solo tbh since there's little to no elites to farm from anyways

[azure lintel]

😐

[sacred remnant]

its called being careful and not going over board

its not like you cant gain those materials back in a hour

[snow garden]

do you read? lol

[azure lintel]

You're not wrong about that, it's just 1 WONY away 😂

[sacred remnant]

exactly lol

give everyone a special mask call it even

[haughty summit]

Idk how people can level up new chara that fast tbh

[snow garden]

"when they can just stop you at 20 but they do a to 30"

and they do only till 30

[azure lintel]

Lots of 🧀 and good friends

[snow garden]

why?

like I said

[reef reef]

what

[snow garden]

they make it in purpose till they realized they F something up

[haughty summit]

It took me like days of saying "i should do it" and then around 2 hours of pain lmao

[reef reef]

you said it, yes, but noone understood it

[azure lintel]

2 hours is good tbh for solo

[haughty summit]

it's better time spent grinding gears tbh lol

[azure lintel]

LOL that's true

[sacred remnant]

lol @haughty summit i just made a new char as well took me like 2-3 days with the wife and i just wanted achievements xD

[azure lintel]

and doing the pre-mission and post-mission shit is such a pain

[haughty summit]

And fast forward to now I still don't know what builds should I put that chara

[azure lintel]

especially the one after Tombs... Police HQ I think. For the love of god, why are there 100 waves for the last part? 15 mins lost by default there

[sacred remnant]

lol yeah

[haughty summit]

I defo should transfer my bulwark tank build to that tbf

Or just scrap it altogether

[sacred remnant]

i transfered my hb build and eb and said screw it nothing else is moving to that char

[azure lintel]

I finally started using the "Send loadout to stash" button and my life changed

[haughty summit]

relying on strikers build to farm is wonky :v

[sacred remnant]

lol

i never used striker tbh never liked it

[haughty summit]

It's literally a softening tool when I used it in matchmake summit

Never got any kills with it

[sacred remnant]

xD i see mostly shotgun people getting the kills

thats why i solo or run with the wife or clan

i myself am working on a tp build full red to see how that goes

[haughty summit]

Ganbatte,

Pain to grind is golan yellow with GC for pyromaniac CC

Best I got is tag team which is eh?

[sacred remnant]

i usually jsut use ep build with golan

[azure lintel]

Ah yellow golan. I remember farming for that 😎

[topaz mirage]

are we getting a third raid any time soon?

[azure lintel]

Nothing mentioned about that

Hopefully we do get one 😔

[topaz mirage]

well, how long did it take them to make iron house?

2 years?

iron house is been out for almost 2 years now

[azure lintel]

Even then I don't think the dev team is the same anymore. Think they said they have 35 people actively working on it now?

[haughty summit]

We do have 3rd psuedo raid

It's called countdown

[haughty summit]

Also didn't you have a collation of your farming struggles of that

[sacred remnant]

yes we are i didnt its calling raiding the fridge cause im hungry lol

[topaz mirage]

maybe the map for countdown was originally designed for a raid?

[azure lintel]

Yes, which is why I got Vietnam flashbacks when you mentioned it

[haughty summit]

I'm literally there

[azure lintel]

So fucking worth it once you find it though

It just looks so nice

The yellow circles and that big G 😩 💦 oh god

[haughty summit]

Anarchist cookbook is like zero f when you want to look for badger HH + HSD chest

I resorted to wyvern with GC for now

[sacred remnant]

im working on a diff build but also with tp a oxi build and dang its amazing

[haughty summit]

TP is fun with a sniper lmao

Tag em completely and when the sniper headshots they get rewarded with fireworks

[balmy cedar]

So with this update there was no rework to specializations?

[azure lintel]

Nope 😔

[balmy cedar]

ie using different grenades or mods?

Ah that’s a shame

[azure lintel]

Yeah one of the things I was looking forward to

[haughty summit]

It's planned to be new TU altogether no?

[balmy cedar]

This proficiency thing is it worth it

[azure lintel]

Long story

[balmy cedar]

Idk if it does anything I dumped all my materials into it

[azure lintel]

😂

[balmy cedar]

Seems pitiful my carbine 7 is sluggish 😭

[haughty summit]

I s2g i need to proficientify my p416

[wide condor]

well raising your expertise/proficiency itself does nothing, you still want to level the actual weapon/armor/skills after its proficient so you get more dmg

[haughty summit]

which is why lol

[wide condor]

wasnt meant for you but arrow :p

[arctic nexus]

how are all these ppl running around with 10+ expertise upgrades on weapons and armor already?

[autumn furnace]

shd lvl or alt chars full of stuff

got 8 weapons i use to exp 15

same with skills

[arctic nexus]

that’s crazy

I don’t even stand a chance against it in dz

[azure lintel]

So do we deactive polarity event after completing day 4?

[copper oar]

Division enemy detected (I like this phrase better then Hostile Enemy Detected) lol

[rocky latch]

Does the rollback affect new players too?

[copper oar]

probably not if you didn't really gain anything yet

[hard cipher]

Just double checking, but the event tomorrow requires the dlc right?

[random kraken]

DZ is scary man

Does NYC have a darkzone? 🤨

[copper oar]

NYC no DZ

[random kraken]

Awww that would be cool if it did

[rocky latch]

Well I'm level 22, just a new player, so it only affects who unlocks expertise?

[hard cipher]

Staten Island DZ with vampire cosmetics would be great

[copper oar]

It affects those that were active during Season 09. If you gained expertise at any point with Combat XP or are proficient with any weapon. Your expertise level will be adjust accordingly or something like that. For example, lets say I was Level 30, I would be rolled back to Level 20.

Upgraded weapons via Expertise will be affected as well.....guess we will see the full scale of rollback when TU 15.1 is released

[rocky latch]

I see i just bought this game 2 days ago in Sale, so i was not in Season 9, i guess it's all good.

[copper oar]

Your probably fine.

[balmy cedar]

Is it 1% weapon damage per each level

This kind of forces you to use 1 weapon to gain bonus damage no?

[drifting haven]

They can correctly calculate how many levels people have gone up with the kill xp issue to roll them back but they can’t calculate how many materials players have used to get to upgrade items to that level. Even though the material numbers are listed when you upgrade them.

[unkempt silo]

whats the current countdown on 2nd target?

[unkempt silo]

nvm

[fair lake]

I'm lvl 22 fully proficient, I think I gonna need some mats from my alt after recalculation to push it to 20

[drifting vine]

I completed the Darpa research mission on hard yesterday to get to the next step in the firewall quest.. I remember that last boss being difficult, but holy hell! was just doing the mission on hard and spend around 1½ hours there almost cheesing it to even get a chance at completing! wooow

[lilac shuttle]

Im lvl 23 proficient but i think it will rollback to 16 or 17

[copper oar]

They need to NERF accuracy with outcast SMGs. I know SMGs cannot fire that far away. Even with Optimal Range.

[sacred remnant]

@arctic nexus they abuse the farming floor 10 trick or they make a new char boost it to 40 then spend the shd points on the materials for the level up

[fiery cloud]

I've done that a few times the new character

[sacred remnant]

i find this absolutely hilarious that they are doing the rollback ....

[reef reef]

i'm glad you feel that way, but i do not agree

[sacred remnant]

people need to farm the old fashioned way and not find shortcuts in life to gain a level or to level up their gear

[reef reef]

so you are okay with the rollback?

[sacred remnant]

absolutely .... they can roll me back to level 1 if they wanted it just means i would have to farm control points and etc more

learn new techniques while im at it

[low lily]

All games what has farming has cheese methods to farm, they should've instantly state that they will do a rollback imo...

[reef reef]

I'm not excited to field the likely large amount of "hey why my expertise level lower i grinded 129109274981724hours for it"

[drifting vine]

have "fun" Aspect 😛 Im glad they're doing something, it's a postive thing, to me, that they're trying to fix it now and maintain a proper outlook for the future of the game

[keen osprey]

First time I've seen the server closing notice in game for years, none the less 3hrs and 57 mins ish till people start losing their absolute shit over this expertise correction.

[potent chasm]

Darn, the servers going down for maint. soon

[sacred remnant]

i understand on your point no one wants to see that many people complaining about loosing something ...but to those people who do just one word of advice " take things with a grain of salt and Never take things for granted "

[keen osprey]

Yep, game health is important and it's evident that they care about this issue. Better to solve now than to go into the future with people being a tiny bit more powerful. The advantage would mainly impact pvp and you ca guarantee if they weren't trying atleast a little bit to appease to the pvp players in any way at all possible, this would have been delayed or done in a different way, perhaps even allowing the cap to be raised to 30.

[reef reef]

Ah, i thought you were initally against the rollback in its entirety. I agree with what you are saying, then.

[keen osprey]

They did say the cap would be raised as new gear is added to the game so it's a feature they intend on coming back to regularly.

[sacred remnant]

hopefully they will end up patching the small / big work arounds people always do like the floor 10 thing or even some of the major bugs and etc like the invisible wall in dz {even though that one is funny lol }

[low lily]

You can dream that massive will fix game breaking bugs that have been there for years 🐻

[keen osprey]

Not sure why they'd need to patch out floor 10, I've never done it myself but it seems to be something people do quite regularly. If anything, removing the kill xp grant from the end of the tombs mission would suffice.

[sacred remnant]

a dream is a wish your heart makes when your fast asleep @low lily lmaoo

[keen osprey]

It's different to people checkpointing the final boss on the raids or floor 100 with another account and rinsing it. If anything they could go back to where your last check point before 100 is 95.

[copper oar]

It's great Massive cares, but I guess not enough to resolve PC Crashing Issues and they are still delaying it by looking into at TU16 which isn't for a long while. Were only at TU 15.1. PC Crashing has been a issue for a long while now even before Season 09 but yet they did not bother to look into it.

[sacred remnant]

i havent had to many crashes after i changed a certain setting on my task manager if only i could remember what it was lol

[reef reef]

The title updates are the seasons, Zero. Its in ~2 months or so.

[keen osprey]

I'd assume it was more complex than we know of hence why fixes are slated for September. If it was something so easy to resolve it would have happened during the content hiatus.

[reef reef]

Well, should be, atleast.

[keen osprey]

According to the season outlook, 6th or 13th of September.

Oh shit I pinged him

[reef reef]

atleast you realized

[copper oar]

PC Crashing has been a issue since TU12

They had plenty of time to look into this problem but did not bother.

[fair lake]

Before tu15 I had barely 1-2 crashes a month, but after the patch it's much more often

[keen osprey]

You don't know that though Zero

[reef reef]

Its been a problem for a long time and confirmation that they are looking into it even further is good. Problems are not "oh lol we forgot to flip a switch"

[sacred remnant]

zero when your game crashes do you have it on first on your progression

[copper oar]

It happens time to time. Not all the time.

But not speaking just for myself, I have seen multiple reports about it from other players.

[sacred remnant]

hmmm weird i never have issues like that nor does my wife

[reef reef]

They first looked into it during season 4's first go around if memory serves, told players to submit their crash reports. After that, nothing much. Clearly a larger issue than first anticipated.

It takes a lot to iron out a bug thats been around this long.

[sacred remnant]

so what im hearing is voluntold bill nye or bill gates to fix the issue politely holding a baseball bat with nails on it at their face politely to show the antique of a weapon

[jolly stag]

woa spoilers

[sacred remnant]

intimidation is the key of success lol

[reef reef]

lets not intimidate the devs.

[balmy cedar]

To get the 2nd encryption key that’s the next target right

[fair lake]

yeap

[reef reef]

Intimidation will get you nowhere but a swift ban.

[jolly stag]

heres hoping the next target isnt a single zone again

[sacred remnant]

no lol we intimidate bill nye or gates to fix the problem with the crashing for free lol

[balmy cedar]

Kinda prefer that tbh

[reef reef]

Bill Nye is a scientist. Bill Gates is the founder of microsoft. They have nothing to do with this, at all.

[balmy cedar]

The manhunts are so long

[sacred remnant]

nye is a engineer on computer technology though that should help somewhat

idk anyone else who is computer tech savy that you could intimidate unless its like some competitor of massive

[reef reef]

Again, intimidation will do nothing, lets not suggest it again.

[sacred remnant]

lol

need to watch little giants man youll see what i mean xD

[reef reef]

I'm aware of the reference. I'm just saying even in reference, advocating violence or violent actions is not the best thing to do.

[jolly stag]

🍿

[sacred remnant]

oh snap not many people know that movie xD and yeah i agree lol still a funny thing to think of lol

[potent chasm]

🍿

[sacred remnant]

aspect are you a 90s child ?

[reef reef]

I am, yes.

[sacred remnant]

yeah i thought so thats why you knew it xD

[potent chasm]

I wonder what future seasons will bring, like if we get a Hyena manhunt, where the Hyenas are starting to work with the warlords in South America, (refrencing the Langley Files)

[sacred remnant]

your the first person in months to actually know the little giants or any 90s movie reference that ive talked to xD the last person i said little giants to they thought it was a anime

[copper oar]

Besides the rollback, I look forward to the new apparels (gosh I hope it's not disappointing)

[sacred remnant]

same zero i saved 99+

[copper oar]

Your apparel keys won't matter

[potent chasm]

Aren't we getting a full hazmat suit with this new one?

[reef reef]

If its an apparel event, it wont translate over.

[copper oar]

You will need to collect special apparel cache keys

[sacred remnant]

well crud i was told to save the keys lol

[reef reef]

You'll need the event keys, which come from leveling.

Yeah, theres no real reason to save keys.

[sacred remnant]

im gonna waste them then when i get back on mabe ill buy out the midnight collection

[copper oar]

I have 270 keys. It tells you how lacking the Apparel Department is.

or rather Character Customisation itself.

[sacred remnant]

i mostly mix and match diff pieces

[potent chasm]

I kinda miss Div 1s apparel system

I would like to wear a Hunter mask with a helmet and have the full balaclava

[copper oar]

I honestly they could import Div 1 apparel items. I want those military outfits.

or that Skeleton Face Mask in Div 1

[sacred remnant]

i do feel like they havent added to much women appearel looks though but that might just be because of they graphing problems and etc .....ive seen alot of women playing on here

[potent chasm]

I'd like to see D3 and Firecrest make a return, maybe even Pred's Mark and such

[jolly stag]

and only 1 central DZ

[keen osprey]

Palle knows how to make people happy in the cosmetic department and its proven so with the previews of the two events so far. Whilst we won't get all the tactical milspec stuff you'd see in Breakpoint or wildlands, you can guarantee itll still be of high quality, especially to meet that guys high standards lol.

[potent chasm]

That has many smaller segments inside

I do understand that the different DZs are for different builds

[copper oar]

It's funny, the thing about Female Character Customisation has been brought up a long time ago in the old Ubisoft Forums but nothing really came about. Honestly, most clothing looks to male centric.

[reef reef]

I'd want to see a new NYC DZ, larger and more varied, along with a DZ revamp. But that is just wishful thinking.

[vale ledge]

the automatic fireturret where NPCs get but we dont

[sacred remnant]

is that one helmet they showed for the next apparel event just black duck tape around the head or is it like spandex ?

[potent chasm]

I miss the old SBG vanity items, made it look like actual attack gear

Put the helmet from Div 2 and the outfit from Div 1, you got a great SBG setup

[vale ledge]

i think ubisoft wants the tacticool stuff, modern female centric videogames outfit looks too curvy

[keen osprey]

The only items I could say that actually fit the female player model was the Jill valentine outfit and Claire redfield jacket from the resident evil event

[sacred remnant]

that was a question btw if anyone wants to answer that cause it confuses me when i watch the clip of it lol

[vale ledge]

too curvy, but i do use them ingame

[potent chasm]

I would like to have purchasable gearset vanity items, like in Div 1, and for the battlepass you can get it earlier

[sacred remnant]

there are some curvy tactical outfits they could add for the women in game just lower the curve ratio on it ...like in real life women have some ba looking tactical gears

[vale ledge]

need the chilled-out mask again, i missed the event,

[copper oar]

It's clearly doable if you look at the enemy NPCs. For example Female Black Tusk Drone Operator. Look at her figure and with all that gear on, she still looks Female. But when a player female agent character wears the Black Tusk outfit, it looks nothing like it. (imo)

Another example is the Female Black Tusk Rusher. All that gear on yet she looks female.

[azure lintel]

I could do with a chest slider

[vale ledge]

it is doable, NPCs just have different set of designs compared to division agents

[potent chasm]

I wish the JTF upgraded as the BoO upgraded, like you'll see them in yoinked BT gear and more skilled combatants, than just

"We DiD iT!"

[sacred remnant]

i agree they could but i think they dont want any people getting weird with the outfits and being creepy at the same time

[vale ledge]

NPCs can hack your drones/turrets, have automatic fire turrets, have kamikaze drones... those RC cars stuff... full time flamethrowers...

[sacred remnant]

how about the number one thing they could add ....let the player lay down when firing a sniper or lmg

[vale ledge]

proning is a problem in most games, probably add too much bugs in this game

[copper oar]

NPCs walk and cover just like agents and including rolling. All same movement but they couldn't use the Female Model they used on Black Tusk?

[potent chasm]

Or if it has a bipod, just like, deploy that? Make it more stable

[sacred remnant]

imagine the back pain youd get if you held a 50 cal rifle and just wheely neely shot it lol

[vale ledge]

bipod doesn't look realistic, see Battlefield

technology not there yet

[keen osprey]

I think they should go on a re colouring spree with pre existing clothing and release it through caches that require you to donate say 20 vanity keys to aquire a premium apparel cache key. Would give reason for players to save their keys and for those with a massive amount to spend them on something. They've esentially turned into the cypher key problem from division 1 and the biggest problem we have at the moment is that they still put apparel keys and textiles into the premium track, they should know by now that their bread and butter is the long term players not the ones who come back to complain and leave again, so what gives. 🤧

[marble dirge]

hmmm? so tomorrow there will be a roll back ?

[sacred remnant]

lol heart bf 4 bipod looks like a camera bipod on a gun

[potent chasm]

Bipods in games are janky regardless, so its going to be in and out, lol

[copper oar]

Another great example are Female Hyenas. They have the figure and shape of a Female.

[keen osprey]

In 3.5 hours from now

[vale ledge]

not just bf4 bipod, other 'simulation' games bipod also have problems, this is going to change tho

there are toolkits/plugins with physics simulation that could actually let bipods/tripods work properly

[marble dirge]

is that means i will lost some weapon and gears in vault?

[reef reef]

No, purely a rollback of your expertise level.

[keen osprey]

No one is losing xp or items being rolled back from being proficient, your level will change when you log in and the expertise level for any gear already upgraded will revert to a lower value that you should be at. It sounds like a big issue but it really isn't.

[sacred remnant]

why do i feel like aspect is eating or drinking something and just watching this chat like a movie waiting for questions to answer lol

[potent chasm]

You have very good points, but since the game is primarily in 3rd person, I think it'd be nice to see something like deploying a bipod at the expense of remaining exposed

[reef reef]

i mean, i'm at my computer and just watching youtube

[sacred remnant]

xD

[reef reef]

i'm generally the only mod around at this time until Rivs gets on or wakes up.

[sacred remnant]

oh dang lol well at least your being kept entertained

[potent chasm]

One thing I do wish, is that the M60 had a box, not just an exposed belt, lmao

[vale ledge]

TD2 engine is already a major upgrade to TD1, if you need more realistic-looking stuff, the engine need another major overhaul, not recommended unless we want more bugs unless TD2 engine is already a buggy mess that the current devs do not understand.

[fair lake]

Not all mods are ready to chat with mere mortal people down here 🙂 Appreciated, Aspect

[keen osprey]

Well, on the days he isn't getting harassed by the arseholes in here that is.

[reef reef]

i dont really see myself as anything other than someone responsible, tbh.

[reef reef]

very true.

[marble dirge]

only the expertise level and every things about it right? well... that sounds not that bad.... I dont even understand how expertise works in this game....

[copper oar]

next sequel to Division but using Unreal Engine 5....oh lordy it be a graphics beauty.

[potent chasm]

The photos would be breathtaking

[copper oar]

It would be

[keen osprey]

Ubi love snow drop though

[copper oar]

I am sure Ubisoft can improve on the Snowdrop Engine.

[vale ledge]

they may move to UE if they do not have sufficient SD devs

[potent chasm]

I wonder if Heartland would have seasons? Winter, summer, spring, etc.

[vale ledge]

developers > engines

[copper oar]

You mean Heartland? Probably not.

[potent chasm]

Heartland, yeah, my bad

[keen osprey]

They already are, Massive posts some interesting videos from time to time on twitter showcasing the things they're doing with it. I believe both star wars and avatar are on snowdrop so I'd say they'll look pretty good when completed, even to this day the atmosphere, lighting and overall aesthetic of d1 and 2 is superior to some games that are out on any unreal variation at the moment, imo.

[vale ledge]

nah. future game engine should have physics simulation like planck mod on skyrim

[potent chasm]

Div 1 has amazing graphics for releasing in 2016, very easy on the eyes

[copper oar]

Don't get me wrong, Division 2 certainly has it's beautiful moments in the graphics department.

[keen osprey]

I believe its set in the summer? Games have baked lighting and shadows so it's difficult to do that without making 4 different iterations of a games map and object models.

[potent chasm]

Gotcha, I would like to have it be in autumn maybe, I think that would be gorgeous, especially since the map is up north again

[keen osprey]

Actually, now that you mention it - there were images leaked with orange trees and leaves falling in the forefront.

Could be September time

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/thedivision/images/1/11/The-division-heartland.webp/revision/latest?cb=20220420162653

[potent chasm]

Late september maybe?

We'd get to see more enviromental storytelling considering how the events between Div 1 and Div 2 are 6 months apart

[keen osprey]

Hopefully references to both games, would be nice.

[potent chasm]

Might actually be october, cause they're all wearing light cool weather clothes

[keen osprey]

Wonder if therell be a rewards campaign. In the division universe roadmap, heartland was supposed to release before the d2 content. And both were delayed heavily

[frozen holly]

Uh, sorry. The rollback? What happened there? :o

[potent chasm]

I wonder how that Netflix show would go

[keen osprey]

People were getting above 20 expertise level which was unintended.

[potent chasm]

I was actually talking with my buddy thinking it would be pretty funny if it were BT members just hanging about, cause their little interactions when you come up on them are fun

[reef reef]

TL:DR items level gave double xp and let you get higher than the max, they are recalculating everyones expertise level so its in line with what it should be

[potent chasm]

Still vibing on expertise 1, lmao

[frozen holly]

Ah, so they are setting the update today? Whoah, forgot that it's 31 may.

[crude plume]

does the rollback mean everyone will be at expertise 0? it took me hours to get to expertise lvl 5

[fair lake]

Gonna upgrade my oxi today after filling expertise back to 20 after recalculation

[keen osprey]

Hmmmm

Anyone want to do some theory crafting on why it's listed in the patch notes for known issues as:

Fairview Crew Apparel Event is not available in the game

😆 does this mean another delay.

[azure lintel]

This reminds me of when I was playing Remnant on UE4 and came across the desert world with its primitive houses. What instantly came to mind was "this looks almost exactly like Conan Exiles"

And I'll fight whoever disagrees

[fair lake]

I wonder, why was there any reason to push it for one week? I mean, we would have had to do something while waiting for patch 🙂

[azure lintel]

Unreal 4 has this weird thing where games just look like each other

It's like there's an innate art style to the engine

[vale ledge]

they use the free assets...

and default filters

[azure lintel]

I mean, neither studio strikes me as the free asset type, which gets a bit worrying

[fair lake]

Saving on assets = potential profit (c) every UE4 developer 🙂

[keen osprey]

I believe the way it works is that the event contents weren't entirely finished so the intention was to release a .1 patch to include the event contents. They did this with a few in the past

[azure lintel]

Default filters I can totally believe tho

[potent chasm]

Took my brain a second for it to click the UE stood for Unreal engine

[azure lintel]

I guess that's why Bethesda made Fallout 3 green

[vale ledge]

pretty sure snowdrop can do alot of stuff, just not as technological advanced as frostbite or other next gen game engines

[fair lake]

I also admire the fact, that there is still "Coming soon" placeholder for Street Activation Apparel Event

[vale ledge]

far cry can use that engine, maybe because it is not Massive thats why they used the other one.

[keen osprey]

Assets more than likely not complete there either. This was the case for the resident evil apparel event. It was initially listed as Apparel Event Codename: Nightmare before a patch changed it and added the bonus item image and official title.

Yall have two minutes to claim your global event vendor caches if you have stars

[azure lintel]

Yo, damn, that's within my allowed pre-crashing time

[keen osprey]

💀

[vale lintel]

it's time for this chat to become super active for 3-5 hours now

[potent chasm]

Yes

[keen osprey]

Were you here on season 9 release morning?

[vale lintel]

yes

[keen osprey]

Absolute scenes when people were talking about Mike

[vale lintel]

that's why i said 3-5 hours.. because it's gonna get delayed

[potent chasm]

Whomst is this mike fellow?

[keen osprey]

Lol

No way my game crashed instead of it disconnecting to server

You know Mike, our good friends Mike and Delta

[potent chasm]

ohhhhhh

Yeah, mike!

[keen osprey]

We kept getting Mike errors because the servers were down on release day and everyone was taunting at poor Mike in the chat

[sharp dagger]

Anyone knows how to farm ironwork base materials?

[keen osprey]

They had delayed maintenance ending by an hour and by this stage it was over an hour and a half waiting. Soon as servers connected you couldn't read a single message in here quick enough. Imagine twitch chat on speed.

[vale lintel]

Mike is everywhere

[potent chasm]

We are all Mike

[vale lintel]

no, we need mike's permission to play the game

[potent chasm]

That sounds a bit sweat inducing

[random kraken]

@mike

[potent chasm]

Sadly

[random kraken]

It didn't work

[potent chasm]

Should I change my user to mike?

[keen osprey]

You'll be shadow blocked from the server

[potent chasm]

Darn

[keen osprey]

Is target 2 out today?

That means key number 2 aswel

More lore 👀

[potent chasm]

Yes

[keen osprey]

[potent chasm]

Mike is being... mike, await I shall

[copper oar]

I am guessing by the end of this Manhunt. The new Rogue Skill is going to EMP Drone.

[keen osprey]

Unfortunately no new skill variants

[potent chasm]

Deployable cover would be nice

[keen osprey]

It'll be the bluescreen lmg

[unreal perch]

I don't think there is a reward skill at the end

[potent chasm]

What's Bluescreen do?

[keen osprey]

But it wasn't ruled out that we could see current skills receiving changes rather than adding new ones

I.e making current skills work like that of the division 1 variants

[unreal perch]

statut effect with stacks

[copper oar]

I wish there was a Hacking Skill, like the ones Hunters have.

[potent chasm]

Gotcha, my friend was thinking it was going to hack

[fair lake]

Flame turret 360, seekers chasing the ENEMY, not the LAST POSITION, shield takes AGRO - would be nice for the beginning

[keen osprey]

It's a pretty underwhelming weapon, it adds stacks to the agent when you shoot enemies. Depending on how many stacks when you deploy a non shield skill itll transfer the stacks to enemies that were marked - pulse disrupt confuse etc. (Rough idea from memory)

[unreal perch]

my dreamed skills

[potent chasm]

I sent Ubi an idea for an Exotic gearset and it was Hunter gear, basically removes the specialization weapon as the Hunter weapons would be exotic and use the specialization activation in Div 1 to hack with a full gearset

[keen osprey]

Removing the spec weapon would be so bloody good lol

I get jealous seeing anyone running thru campaign without one

[copper oar]

Hiding the spec weapon would be nice....just to bulky looking

[potent chasm]

Yeah, the M32 is really the only one to make sense

[copper oar]

or crossbow

[potent chasm]

Some poor guy was being bullied on reddit for asking if he could remove the specialization somehow

[vale ledge]

need a full time flamethrower

[potent chasm]

I kinda miss the cross body backpacks from D1

[terse dirge]

is there going to be a downtime for todays patch or nah?

[potent chasm]

Its already active boss

[unreal perch]

yep atm

[copper oar]

Servers are down at the moment.

[terse dirge]

okay ty for the info

[copper oar]

👍

I been playing Division 2 in French for the last two days. It's refreshing not having to hear the English voices lol...

[unreal perch]

I m French nd I prefere the English voices

[potent chasm]

What do the faction Tanks sound like?

[terse dirge]

plays countdown in french

ISAC: "l'agent a été déconnecté"

(for those who don't want to translate "agent has been disconnected")

[copper oar]

Hmm, Dolores Jones sounds more pleasing to the ear in French than English (imo)

Merci, Agent.

[potent chasm]

I would like more lore behind the Hunters, they're known, but also not

I know people are speculating they're an invading force, first wave agents, etc.

I made the joke that they were aliens (going off of the crashed satellite on floor 100 of the Summit)

[copper oar]

My theory is that, Hunters are probably Ex-Special Forces but have been given some modification to an extent to able to track down Division Agents (for what reason, no idea).

[potent chasm]

They are most definetly former spec-ops, they fight too hard to be a standard Div agent

[hollow forge]

I think they might be zombies or something. Not literally, but from what we heard from the Hunter during the Schaeffer mission, something's been done to their heads and it ain't left them quite right

Someone suggested Winter-soldier style brainwashing and I could def see that

[potent chasm]

Where mr. 7'6 390 lbs of death and bullets starts laughing at you?

[terse dirge]

are they not hunting rogue agents only? cause on open world they only fight with you if you chase them or make them fight with you

[potent chasm]

I think that's a voice modulator, kinda like how the warhounds make noise

[hollow forge]

I feel like I remember Schaeffer giving one an order and it responded with something like [PAINED MOAN]

[copper oar]

Most likely a voice modulator

[potent chasm]

I'll definetly have to go through it again

It's [AN AFFIRMATIVE GROAN]

[slate axle]

Hey all is XP gone a roll back?

[hollow forge]

I was pretty close! Haha

[potent chasm]

I just realised

ISAC can scoop up comms, when Bardon makes that order, its garbled, but when we fight the Hunter, its kinda machine-esque, but you hear more human-y. So the noise that Hunter makes on comms is garbled to us

[fervent berry]

I always thought hunters are humanoids, hell bent on destroying the human race with their cybernetic arms

[potent chasm]

That's definetly a new one I've heard

[hollow forge]

Delivers tomahawk directly to face

[unborn pollen]

what if the hunters are A.I?

[potent chasm]

I'm really into the Hunter's lore

[fervent berry]

I like shitposts regarding the hunters and how they came about, since everything at this point is speculation

What if... their secret lair is under the Capitol?

[unborn pollen]

i think it would be cool if the hunters were some kind of A.I where isaac's gone bad

[potent chasm]

I say we get a hunter manhunt, and we get in depth customizable hunter gear

Cause not gonna lie, that Coney Island hunter mask as well as Psycho, Freak, Drama, and the other one, kinda suck in my opinion

[fervent berry]

I'm game for a hunter manhunt. More masks, more fun

[unborn pollen]

o hold up, new game mode idea... you can invade other people in the roam world like dark souls but youll have to enable it 😅

[potent chasm]

The one we fight at the end is like a tank unit, but fast as hell

Kinda like Boomer

[fervent berry]

It might be, but it's probably just trope at this point. We need more originality||, like maybe they're dead LMB soldiers resurrected by the aliens of Mars to bring chaos to Earth||

[potent chasm]

Lmao

[unborn pollen]

ooo

like the event we had a month ago?

no headshot? theyre getting up again!

lol

[potent chasm]

Hunter v. Agents

You get to parkour and your melee hits harder

[unborn pollen]

that sounds awesome tho doesnt it

[fervent berry]

Oh the Reanimated GE, yeah. That's creepy, huh? Everyone becomes a zombie, but really, they're just carrying AEDs because they got smart for a week kekw

[unborn pollen]

lmao

[potent chasm]

Cause the hunters are seemingly experienced freerunners too

They must be getting taught by Acosta

[turbid walrus]

They just got a better gaming chair

[fervent berry]

That's a confidential secret, those gaming chairs are top secret beyond confidential

SHD tech

[potent chasm]

I think the hunters should be the ONLY enemy where a quicktime is engaged, like CQB fighting

[unborn pollen]

they should make something like the watch dogs game had, your world gets invaded, invader has to try and kill the worlds main player and main player has to find the invader... invader looks like an npc.. whoever wins gets loot and xp 😅

[vapid crypt]

My theory is it's gonna be some Clone Wars type of shizzle

They were originally agents but given an order to go rogue

[unborn pollen]

"welcome master kenobi... wait, wrong game"

[potent chasm]

Honestly, that seems quite logical, cause none of'em have different masks, they're all recycled

[vapid crypt]

"Hello there"

[potent chasm]

I know that's the biggest theory

[fiery cloud]

Piss off a watcher and get destroyed

[fervent berry]

Hunters are Jedi knights, corrupted by a Sith Lord.

That's pretty legit ngl

[unborn pollen]

yea it is

[potent chasm]

Petition to have Hunters added to the DZ and be scarier, they're named

[fervent berry]

Guys, this is top notch game writing

[unborn pollen]

"execute order... sixty...six..."

[vapid crypt]

Nah imagine running countdown and you see like 6 hunters with lightsabers

[unborn pollen]

lmao

[fervent berry]

And you think their handaxe isn't good enough

[unborn pollen]

theyve been training in the jedi ways by count dooku

[potent chasm]

[Meaty whack]

[Masked chuckles]

[vapid crypt]

Hey man, I think I'd rather die to a lightsaber

[potent chasm]

I miss their executions, they should bring them back

[fervent berry]

[meaty whack]
"something something armor
something something annihilated"

[unborn pollen]

anyone here ever got stunlocked by 3 baton melee fks?

cos its no fun

[vapid crypt]

Nah

[potent chasm]

Ouch

[vapid crypt]

But I had a sniper and minitank blind me consistently

[unborn pollen]

that sounds worse lmao

[fervent berry]

Oh yeah, I know I was, because someone from my group shot their spice bags and I got dizzy to hell.
Next thing I know, I was bumrushed and stunlocked to all eternity

[vapid crypt]

Yea it was in the DZ and I couldn't find either of them for a while 😂

[unborn pollen]

🤣

[potent chasm]

I have a great new concept for the outcasts

If you kill them cqc and take damage afterwards, your character gets sick and has to use the BSAV

Make the suicide bombers more of a threat

[vale ledge]

survival mode i guess

[unborn pollen]

oh shit i just thought of an awesome way to end d2! your character is about to be executed by one of the main story characters who was rogue all along and was sending/leading the hunters, right as the trigger is pulled and you hear a bang your character wakes up from a nightmare and thats how d3 starts 🤣🤣

[potent chasm]

Wouldn't that basically invalidate the whole story of Div 2?

[fervent berry]

that is a mind fck 😂

[unborn pollen]

it would unless they made you a hunter too

[fervent berry]

it's like playing Dead Space again but without the necromorphs

[warm rover]

3.9G patch is up

[unborn pollen]

imagine d3, youre the hunter.. after you got shot in d2 you got made into a hunter waiting for your orders

like we have hunters now

[unborn pollen]

its a bit yea lol

[potent chasm]

You're really on that Hunter's are cyborgs thing, lmao

[jolly timber]

polarity event over right?

[unborn pollen]

i mean its an interesting idea if you think about it

[jolly timber]

forgot to spend my event points. 😦

[potent chasm]

It is, but kinda far fetched in a way

[hollow forge]

Oh, that reminds me - is the reason we haven't done anything with the Perfusion Bioreactor yet because we need the Antivirals to reverse-engineer a cure/vaxx?

[fervent berry]

🙏

[drifting vine]

aww man :/ I couldnt be bothered completing all 4 days stuff so as soon as i was doine with the event caches i was out lol

[hollow forge]

I could totally see Hunters being cybernetically enhanced to some degree. Although you'd think that would be an issue with their EMPs

Idk, I think there's some sort of scifi stuff going on with them

[unborn pollen]

we have a ton of bad guys in this game and none of them ever won cos they dont learn from the ones that came before them.... nothing is far fetched anymore lol

[potent chasm]

Guess we'll just have to see

[fervent berry]

I wouldn't dismiss the idea that hunters are cyborgs that easily

[graceful lark]

game is updateing, but they didnt fix mike-01 this game is literally unplayable!

[potent chasm]

Well, take Odessa Sawyer for example, she's an amputee, and she has one of the hook-esque legs

I do know that the Agents have that contact lens that gives them the HUD

[acoustic inlet]

why would they be cyborgs do you have any evidence for this claim?

[unborn pollen]

what does mike-01 do?

[graceful lark]

@unborn pollen errorcode when servers are down

[fervent berry]

ruins your sleep at night

[desert crystal]

update is live

[unborn pollen]

ah fun lmao

[fervent berry]

Servers are up already?

[unborn pollen]

ah okay

[fervent berry]

It's not even an HOUR into their supposed maintenance 😂

[acoustic inlet]

it means it can't locate a connection and that's because all servers are down for maintenence

[acoustic inlet]

no they aren't

you can check em here https://ubistatic-a.akamaihd.net/0115/tctd2/status.html

[fervent berry]

No I get this website, that's fine

[unborn pollen]

i think they could be cos there seems to be an endless supply... imagine grab a dead body of the street and turn it into a hunter with cyborg stuff

[desert crystal]

download patch if any one is consfused

[fervent berry]

But someone said "update is live", like what does that mean?

[acoustic inlet]

means you can start downloading the stuff but the servers are still preparing to load the content for everyone

[fervent berry]

Oh you mean the game update is now available to download

[potent chasm]

That's even more far fetched, lmao

[fervent berry]

got you, got you

[desert crystal]

Yes

[fervent berry]

see, it's 9:27 am and i've yet to chug my 4th cup of coffee

[acoustic inlet]

wouldn't they just die when you emp them?

[unborn pollen]

not impossible though 😅

[potent chasm]

Ehhhh, kinda-not really

[unborn pollen]

scifi cyborgs? :( come on guys im trying here 🤣🤣

[fervent berry]

Well, if their key functions aren't machine-based, they wouldn't be affected by an EMP