td2-general-chat

[icy cypress]

Did I give the answer to my question

[blissful sable]

Except the scorpio, because he never got one

[undone timber]

They're still getting pummeled sadge

[hybrid ore]

You said "gold gun". Which isn't a lot of info to go off.

[raw minnow]

Gold Gun from 007

[hybrid ore]

Oddjob!~

[icy cypress]

Gold weapon skin

[ebon steeple]

so is it not even confirmed next season is in 4 weeks

[hybrid ore]

Welcome to div2 since 2020.

when seasons first started.

[blissful sable]

Wasn't there a 2 month delay in seasons because the "base" of the game was broken?

I seem to remember that for some reason.

[iron gust]

Small team big revamp, inevitable delays
(I know Yannick said the team is enough but what else is he supposed to say lol)

[blissful sable]

This is a game that they expected to maybe last for 2.5 years and has lasted for now a lot longer.

[hybrid ore]

div2things.

be happy its around.

[blissful sable]

I am. It lasted a lot longer than another title that came out at the same time.

[inner elbow]

"we're hiring"

[kind veldt]

multiple delays have happened for multiple reasons, team size, pacing, bugs, polish and quality and so on

[hybrid ore]

Is it armchair dev time?

[blissful sable]

Anyone remember Anthem? There were people on the forum who said it would beat Div 2.

[elfin hazel]

won't forget it

[kind veldt]

i'm just saying they have said different things at different point in times when they have delayed stuff

[hybrid ore]

drib you take over, and everyone be nice to Anthem.

[dull cypress]

it's admirable how much patience you guys have for the ppl in this server LOL

[iron gust]

For division 3

[undone timber]

Still scratches the looter shooter itch but also feeling tacticool as hell

[kind veldt]

anthem had hilariously same issue as gear 1.0 had

[undone timber]

[kind veldt]

end game items had more stats so they all had low rolls

[inner elbow]

Who's Anthem? Never heard of em

[kind veldt]

"to even out the power"

[elfin hazel]

the real question isn't who remembers anthem but who remembers outriders

[rigid wedge]

you mean the game? 💀

[blissful sable]

Oh yeah that other Div 2 killer. Where is it again?

[kind veldt]

outriders visually didnt catch me enough

all i heard was that it was okay

[blissful sable]

I haven't heard anything about Outriders in ages.

[kind veldt]

it had one expansion andthat's it

oddly enough the developers said it wasnt planned as game as service

[rigid wedge]

Anthem is an game i burned 80 dollars on for an cool concept met burning dumpster and pretty and cool graphics for the time

[kind veldt]

so it just had couple of updates and moved on

[dull cypress]

they did drop a dlc iirc

[kind veldt]

which is very odd but hey publishers love burning money without think

yeah i did say one expansion

cant just slap someone and aks for a looter shooter ot last as long as MMO to be done in 2 years

[blissful sable]

I give this game a bit of heck, but its the only online game that want to play. Once it is done, I am done with online games.

[kind veldt]

division or outriders?

[blissful sable]

Division 2

[tropic compass]

If i was ever directing division 2 my first goal would be to modernise DC and update the look of most buildings

[dull cypress]

outdivision riders 3

[blissful sable]

It is flawed, but the gear system in this game is unique and allows for a lot of creativity.

[dull cypress]

but they don't have HHDT so we def win automatically

[blissful sable]

I have seen people from other games just become floored with the wide array of options this game has.

[kind veldt]

only to just run striker

[blissful sable]

Destiny players become overwhelmed by all the options this game has as far as gear.

[dull cypress]

nerf striker then bring back classifieds in the DLC

[blissful sable]

It is an easy get power free card. I am hoping that the new season model creates counters to striker instead of just needing it nerfed.

[blissful sable]

We had classifieds in year 1. It did not go well.

[undone timber]

there have always been alternatives but single target dps is just strikers thing

[kind veldt]

classifieds is the same as asking for the death of the game

[dull cypress]

i've been playing since launch am i having a schizo moment of not remembering

[blissful sable]

Yeah, remember when OD had a 6 piece bonus where there was a rotating set of shock and other types of ammo?

[dull cypress]

oh my god

[blissful sable]

Hardwired 6 pc made your turret electrified

[dull cypress]

yeah i'm having a schizo moment

[dense saffron]

That sounded disgustingly op

[inner elbow]

Oh it did?

[kind veldt]

nope you got only 1-3 bullets to a gun you were not equipped

original gear sets were all 6 pieces

[blissful sable]

Yeah it was also filled with slight annoyances too

[dense saffron]

Ah ok, gave off reassigned vibes

[undone timber]

it had 6pc bonuses iirc but not actual classifieds

[kind veldt]

trust me if there's one thing i cna say i'm expert at, is using all the variations OD

[kind veldt]

and classifieds are not that?

[undone timber]

they had enhanced stats and 2 rerolls

[dull cypress]

well if you think about it the chest and backpack are kinda classified parts (but yeah not running a whole 6pc)

[unborn vigil]

Is there a reason why the amount of items in the apparel store that you can buy with textiles is got even smaller?

[dull cypress]

money (which i'd gladly give the team)

[blissful sable]

They didn't do that well, because of the annoyances designed to force people to consider using high end pieces as well.

The devs wanted high end to still be viable instead of what the Division 1 did to those pieces.

[dull cypress]

i remember high ends outclasses gear sets waaay back

well they still can

[undone timber]

they do depending on situation and build

[kind veldt]

high ends are still good because brand bonus

[blissful sable]

They still can, the devs want gear sets to be more like build kits instead of replacements for brand sets.

[kind veldt]

in the first game gear sets really outclassed high ends fast and classifieds powerecreeped gear sets, here the blanace is way better between both with named and exotic armor

[undone timber]

i mean

high ends were still used in hexo stuff and pvp

[blissful sable]

To an extent brand sets are still the most powerful. Gear sets just offer a get power easy or sacrifice stats to get a new special talent option.

[dull cypress]

I can only wonder what they plan to bring in the brooklyn DLC (i mean i know it ain't gonna be WONY sized but still gotta hope for new systems)

[raw minnow]

You get a bridge and you'll like it

It's that wave game ad you see but division style

[kind veldt]

until classifieds happened

[blissful sable]

Will it be an alphabridge?

[raw minnow]

Sigmabridge

In Ohio

[undone timber]

nah cuz high end chests and bags are still really good

[dull cypress]

the gun power ups are just exotics

[raw minnow]

See you get it

[undone timber]

vig reckless and relentless an all

[raw minnow]

100 Oreo's

[dull cypress]

120 bullets to kill keener boss just for the ad to end

[kind veldt]

i think i talked here a bit how to port alphabridge to here

[raw minnow]

And then 10,000,000 to kill that dog from the Keener Manhunt

[kind veldt]

and best i could come up with was making 4 piece talent turn all talents into perfect version

for your guns of course

[raw minnow]

That would be a fun concept

[undone timber]

thats 65 percent more talent per talent

[dull cypress]

Can we get D3 back and maybe some div1 stuff for nostalgia

[blissful sable]

Why not nomad for PvP. I am sure that will go over real well.

[undone timber]

striker all we gonna get

[kind veldt]

D3 is weird because other shield variants exists

[undone timber]

damn

screw nomad

[dull cypress]

hey I just want a tankier full body shield with my chatterbox and or ARs LOL

[kind veldt]

honestly final measure might be the best thing to adapt? cerintaly i feel this game has a lot more explosive spammy than the first one

[blissful sable]

Have it with the same types of 6pc classi buffs that made it possible to get auto revived over and over and over again with Armor regen. What could go wrong?

[undone timber]

nomad itself would be cool

but the 6 piece

cant wait for the guy im tryna kill in the dz to switch up and get 17 procs

[blissful sable]

It would be great wouldn't it. Especially after he wipes out your group of 4 in like 10 minutes.

Div 1 was really an experience.

[undone timber]

lag switching for the ultimate experience

[kind veldt]

bird shots wacky ass gear sets concepts
Healing/Oxidizer granade gear set for healers
Final measure 2.0
Capitain america that buffs reflector shield and lets you do super melee
Cowboy gear set about using mostly Revolvers and pistols
BLIND 2.0

[undone timber]

shame blind never came back

[blissful sable]

I do wish we could get an ortiz that is more like firecrest with fire bullets, exploding firebomb NPC's, and just more flames everywhere.

[kind veldt]

well iron lung has to make do, i mean it's not a bad exotic

[undone timber]

exuro is walmart firecrest

[blissful sable]

Yeah but only so much of its mag gets the fire, and the npc's do not explode violently on death to further create flames and turn the map into a beautiful conflagration. I want to feel like I am an evil god of fire again.

[blissful sable]

I could call it Dollar Store firecrest.

[dull cypress]

firecrest with extra steps

[kind veldt]

well OD is walmart Predator's mark

[blissful sable]

That does match up

[kind veldt]

well they learned that giving people super bleed while letting them be tanky also messes things up

[undone timber]

if you think hard enough you can find all the knockoffs of div1 stuff

[kind veldt]

so it's more about bullet buffing than super bleed

[blissful sable]

Is it so wrong to want to feel like a god of hellfire again? Eclipse fire comes kind of close, but still not as dramatic and Exuro is just a meh dollar store replacement.

[undone timber]

given that this game is way more crit reliant impretty surprised they didnt bring back deadeye

[blissful sable]

Hmmm, determined?

[undone timber]

i mean deadeye doesnt need headshots

[kind veldt]

i think they harshly want to avoid deadeye like the plague

[undone timber]

i think it wouldve been a cool rifle or semi auto mmr set

[kind veldt]

meh, original suggestion of mine was to make it be a new spec weapon for sharpshooter, low damage full auto with extremely good handling sniper that guaranatees crits on headshots

but alas spec rework is on the fridge for couple more years

[dull cypress]

man I hope they talk about it someday with like hints even if it takes years for it to arrive

[kind veldt]

roughly they said they want it to have a big impact so it needs a long time to make + everything else having priority

[dull cypress]

I hope we get the patch notes soon itching for more changes to the "meta"

[cyan narwhal]

so hidden hunter was just nothing

[dull cypress]

yep

[cyan narwhal]

well people who spend months giving their time on the puzzle not going to be happy

[fickle edge]

What did they talk about in the stream from earlier

[kind veldt]

similar to what was already in the patchnotes

otherwise you can just check what rivens highlighted #td2-general-chat message

[iron gust]

Pts 2 patch notes are out

https://trello.com/c/vCDBQD2X/260-y6s2-pts-patch-notes-phase-2

[kind veldt]

well thats useful

[verbal temple]

Do I lose something by raising my character level to 30?

[kind veldt]

oh they added an exotic only list of stats changes this time

okay that's a really fast reload speed for iron lung

decreased the shotgun nerf

still dont see why super should have been touched at all

[timber hatch]

Rofl in what world does the SVD need a significant nerf... Wtf

[kind veldt]

cause it's full auto now i think

so they are trying to rein it back a little

[spare cove]

I'd imagine a full auto SVD in the live game rn would be completely broken

[timber hatch]

It's not though lol

[oblique timber]

i am kinda wishing the youtube content creator circle for division 2 would do us a solid, and do as the destiny 2 youtube community did and host a few "what to delete" videos, cus I am just struggling to figure out what not to hoard

[warm minnow]

Anything that you wont use immediately

[timber hatch]

Keep stuff with the right roles, get rid of anything your keeping just because it has max roles

[oblique timber]

actually i think TuxedoBandidos did a "worst exotics" video a few months ago, I was watching it earlier, it didnt exactly teach me what to delete, but it was instructive

[midnight lotus]

.308 finally got buffed jfc

thank the lord

[warm minnow]

Meh, I always keep a copy of all exotic just for collection purposes

[timber hatch]

He is a terrible source of information

[midnight lotus]

mp7 nerf is downright vile

but eh overall seems better than last patch

svd nerf is crazy

they buffed .308 i can finally rest now

[warm minnow]

xd

[midnight lotus]

sr1 and srs isn't outright garbage anymore

i do think they should be like 390-395k base

so you'd need a bit of expertise into them for the 1 tap headhunter legendary stuff

and no mention of determined

but overall this seemed to be fine

no one is gonna use spas tho....

they are still dying on the super 90 nerf hill tho

[small spear]

finally they made m870 playable, it really needed the buff

[midnight lotus]

ok rotor blade

[small spear]

no one has definitely been able to headhunt with m870 before

i would never lie on the internet

fr tho the spread on the spas is just ass

[midnight lotus]

i had to try it to verify

yea you aint hitting heads from anything less than point blank

[frosty wadi]

Someone leak the pts 2 notes please

[warm minnow]

What was phase 1 1886 numbers

[midnight lotus]

i mean that as in like shoved up their buttocks level of point blank

[warm minnow]

https://trello.com/c/vCDBQD2X/260-y6s2-pts-patch-notes-phase-2

[midnight lotus]

https://trello.com/c/vCDBQD2X/260-y6s2-pts-patch-notes-phase-2

[small spear]

you misspelled determined

[midnight lotus]

429k base
now its 386k which is stupid

[oblique timber]

..exactly ..start deleting what's not being used--that's the epiphany--

• all the edge cases (attributes like HazPro/Explosive Resist/Armor Regen, sets like Hot Shot) don't need hoarding, b/c won't be used soon..
• edge cases like that, also are far from meta, thus very likely to show in drops, they are there as RNG fillers in the drop table, so by deleting, they'll come right back, should I need them again
• same for other things like mods and weapons

just going with that rule, should free up quite a bit

[midnight lotus]

delete anything that isn't red if you only play pve to begin with

once you have a good collection of builds then you start hoarding weird rolls for wacky builds

i'd have never been able to beat recruiter solo on full red striker

skill issue ik

[small spear]

🫵 😆

[frosty wadi]

Idk how to feel about the nerf reverts

How much damage is now lost from strikers?

[raw minnow]

10%

Goes from 200% amp to 190% amp when using backpack

[iron gust]

Hb nerf from pts 1 to 2 is the most confusing to me at first glance

[raw minnow]

1.3 was too much, 1.1 seems correct

[small spear]

6% with chest, 5% without

[frosty wadi]

Yea this is a step on the wrong direction

They caved

They gave in to youtubers hating

[small spear]

you divide instead of subtract

[iron gust]

Given how it's mostly tied to a specialization 1.1 feels a bit short

1.15 or 1.20 would be the sweet spot

[raw minnow]

But it's damage and armor

[frosty wadi]

Oh no strikers now only has 10% of a damage nerf… time to throw on my elmos with 20+ damage from expertise

They shouldn’t have caved

[raw minnow]

With chest, you're getting 110% armor and weapon damage

[midnight lotus]

i believe that using a HE backpack is better than striker bag now

use vig or companion

[raw minnow]

Backpack you'd be getting 220% each

[frosty wadi]

Then heartbreakers buff being reverted pisses me off

[midnight lotus]

its 1.2 to 1.1 no?

[oblique timber]

yeah i do keep, cus i will get bored and try new weapons for example
they are god rolls
one of each weapon
prob gud to keep at least one god roll so as to up the expertise on them

[raw minnow]

It's now 1.0, went to 1.3 and now down to 1.1

[midnight lotus]

so just slightly toning it down

[spare cove]

Can I still use Heartbreakers for next season?

[frosty wadi]

Yea but still

[midnight lotus]

which is fair because HB is dangerously creeping into striker territory,just with 3x armor

[midnight lotus]

it has always been a solid set

[frosty wadi]

They lowered the buff, its already usable but its og buff wouldve made it a contender for striker

[spare cove]

Alright

[raw minnow]

Yeah, imagine the DPS of striker but it's blue core and more bonus armor?

It was gonna be too much

[craggy ridge]

bring back pts1 heartbreaker!

[midnight lotus]

its less than striker

[frosty wadi]

Striker is still better

[midnight lotus]

due to striker stacks being multiplicative and HB being additive

[raw minnow]

I'm saying if all things would have gone through, they were all dependant on each other

[frosty wadi]

Strikers nerf literally couldn’t be tested because it wasn’t in the game

[raw minnow]

Oh I know the math lol

[small spear]

wdym, they both stack the same

[midnight lotus]

you can crunch the numbers so

[small spear]

now at least

[midnight lotus]

i mean the type of buff iirc

[small spear]

yeah they both additively stack now

that was changed since striker buff

[raw minnow]

But is HB amp or just additive to total weapon damage?

[small spear]

both are amp

[frosty wadi]

Man Im really pissed with this second pts, they caved and now nobody is gonna experiment aside from finding whatever new weapon to latch onto

[raw minnow]

They should really state on HB it's amp lol

[midnight lotus]

ahh must be wrong then

it just says increase

[small spear]

but they stack additively, i.e. 1+0.065×100 instead of 1.065^100

[midnight lotus]

i thought a lot of the weapons were rebalanced nicely

[raw minnow]

It's actually not exponential anymore, they changed that

[frosty wadi]

Can you send me the lvoa stats from the first pts real quick

[midnight lotus]

still the same but just a light damage nerf

i logged off my laptop so eh

[raw minnow]

LVOA went from 110,102 to 100,590 damage

And a slightly longer reload

[midnight lotus]

you should still use MDR tho

a lot more stable and better dps

[frosty wadi]

Wait so it got nerfed even more?

[midnight lotus]

no mb

[warm minnow]

Man I can’t believe they buffed chams base damage…

[midnight lotus]

the nerf stayed the same

[midnight lotus]

the goatmeleon meta

chameleon pilled

[kind veldt]

You can check both PTS images side by side to see the new stats

[midnight lotus]

so zased….

[warm minnow]

I can’t believe no1 else is talking about it

[frosty wadi]

I just had my wisdom teeth all pulled Im very slow rn

[midnight lotus]

elmo is all that matters to them

[raw minnow]

Well the Chameleon apparently uses it's own damage model which I don't think anyone was aware of when looking at things

[midnight lotus]

they should -10 round elmo ahakn ngl

[frosty wadi]

Elmos nerf is basically non existent

[warm minnow]

Nope

[frosty wadi]

Remove the 10 rounds

There is no damn reason an ar should have 70 rounds with zero downside

[raw minnow]

Well, can use the 62 round AUG with whatever talent you want

[spare cove]

Chameleon-maxxed

[small spear]

go solo zoo with it

best showcase ever

[frosty wadi]

But can an aug have 15 crit chance and damage at the same time with 10 handling

[midnight lotus]

vector accuracy😔

[hexed wyvern]

Seasons 2.0 is cooked if this is all we're getting.

[frosty wadi]

Whats cham damage now

[midnight lotus]

i can do heroic 4 man solo tho

[raw minnow]

Absolutely not, but it's also not an exotic. This is what happens when a community doesn't understand how balancing works and they baby rage

[midnight lotus]

44.9k iirc

[frosty wadi]

Give me a rough percentage

[raw minnow]

They weren't explicitely told that Elmo was getting a damage buff and they all cried because it took away crit, handling and mag and can't put all the pieces together

[frosty wadi]

It doesn’t need a 70 round mag

Remove 10 bullets

[raw minnow]

Chameleon is 11.85% damage increase

[midnight lotus]

39k to 45k is like a uhhh 15 ish?

[raw minnow]

39960 to 44660

[frosty wadi]

Possibly worth using then

[midnight lotus]

aaah i got some numbers wrong then

[raw minnow]

And Chameleons talent is also being buffed right?

Thing is, it won't have the range of a typical AR, just the damage profile

[frosty wadi]

Small buff

[midnight lotus]

with the elmo and ouro nerf in theory cham has the highest dps with all 3 buffs active now

[frosty wadi]

So yea cham might be worth using

[midnight lotus]

they should really change the leg buff to weapon handling

[raw minnow]

We're Bighorn truthers here

Yeah Chameleon has 20 range, Elmo 35

Those 15M would make a difference in max damage

[frosty wadi]

Whats each buff I forgor

[midnight lotus]

yup

its just theoretical damage minmaxing

[warm minnow]

It always did

[midnight lotus]

head is +20% chc +50% chd
body is 90% weapon damage
leg is 150% reload speed

[warm minnow]

:/

[midnight lotus]

nah it was worse than banshee iirc

[warm minnow]

With all?

[midnight lotus]

and ouro too

just to show how busted ouro was

cham also has this quirk

you only need 40% chc in theory

because head buff brings it to 60% chc

so you can literally go all in on chd

well not really you still need 1-2 chc attributes

but you can run high crit cham which should push it higher

no other AR can run that low of a crit chance too

sure SMGs can but they’re still outdamaged by cham at max stacks

chan is a literal powerhouse,only limited by its low range,accuracy and clunkiness of an AR on a SMG

[signal lagoon]

Hi everyone! I was wondering if there is any guide on how to install TD2 PTS client. I found a howto that says it would be openly available in UBI connect but I simply can't find it there. Thanks in advance! P. S. I was originally playing TD2 on XBOX but then purchased it for PC aswell. As PTS is PC only, perhaps thats the reason?

[hexed wyvern]

Did you buy TD2 on Steam or Uplay?

[signal lagoon]

Uplay

[raw minnow]

I think people see AR and expect that performance, and then when it doesn't do that they say it's crap. Gotta think differently

[hexed wyvern]

double check you hidden games folder. Mine was there for some reason.

[timber hatch]

Has the pre-download gone live yet? That might be the issue your having

[tender wave]

think it's still not available yet, mine isn't downloading an update

[signal lagoon]

nope, only hyper scape in there 🤣

[hexed wyvern]

lmao. Not sure. IDK if the PTS has to be live for it to be downloaded. All I can reccomend is to wait for it to be live and check again.

[dire grotto]

I wonder how busted it would be if Massive let us sacrifice our Signature weapons and took stats instead. Destiny 1 had a similar thing where you could remove your Super ability and get an extra grenade and melee charge. I wonder what would be worth it for TD2 if we gave up our Signature weapons.

[kind veldt]

definetly most people would throw their signature weapon in the trash if they could to

even if it gave no stats just because they find htem an eyesore

[dire grotto]

I definitely want to lmao. The sniper absolutely sucks.

Oh you can hide the signature weapons so they don't show on your backpack

[kind veldt]

odd thing to say about the probably best one of the bunch

[dire grotto]

Eh, my Nemesis does all of its job but better.

I always thought it would be neat to have a compound bow as a signature weapon, kinda like the factionless roamers. Instead of firing explosives, it would be a semi-stealth option that could let you take out 1 or 2 enemies without alerting the rest, at least if you killed them out of everyone else's line of sight.

[small spear]

PTS isn't available for preload yet so that's why you're not seeing it

[civic otter]

Hey guys,
Any idea, why system corruption gear set not available in countdown?
I hv 5 pieces 1 missing

[timber hatch]

It's a dz exclusive set

[civic otter]

Ohhh

[timber hatch]

You can potentially get it in season caches as well

[civic otter]

Not viable in pve?
Collected this 4 years ago

[timber hatch]

It's arguably the worst set in the game, especially for pve. It's intended for pvp, but imo not worth running at all

[civic otter]

Ty

[iron gust]

Only worth it for the transmogs
It's such a neglected set I don't think it even drops from conflict caches

[dire grotto]

Conflict 🤢

[civic otter]

What about that named acs everyone is running with heartbreaker set?
Rock somthing

Can that drop from named caches and hunters at the end if countdown?

[small spear]

also named cache, dz and conflict exclusive

basically named cache has all nameds no matter if it's dz/conflict or not

[civic otter]

All good things are pvp.
What the hell

[small spear]

very minor part

only tdi kard and rock and roll are worth getting imo

[dire grotto]

Kard custom comes from DZ right?

[ebon steeple]

Ok so there isn't a 2nd Oreo rof nerf just the same one as pts 1 I can live with that

[kind veldt]

https://trello.com/1/cards/66feb3e092bc771e0f2a1e79/attachments/66fecab63ff9f30ebfb31c9a/download/TD2_Weapon_Updates_TU22PTS2_Exotics_Part_1.jpg

[night basin]

Update are out

[ebon steeple]

No eb buff L

Sr-1 buff is good tho

Backfire and lady death dmg nerfs is crazy considering there both bad in tu21

[forest bay]

@fresh rose Sorry for the mention but I have a question about the game on the phone, when will it come?

[lunar hare]

lol
It will not answer

[forest bay]

It's bad if he doesn't answer.

[ebon steeple]

Ask Anna

[lunar hare]

It's a bot, not a person lmao

[forest bay]

The game was scheduled to be released on the phone last month, but it was not released.

[forest bay]

He is more interested in maintenance.

[limpid pond]

Where is the PTS Chat? It got taken down again, but we have a live PTS going?

[spare cove]

It will get added again once the PTS is live tomorrow

[harsh jewel]

where is the password to access the pts?

[spare cove]

There is no password

Just download it and you'll be good to go for tomorrow

[lunar hare]

PTS stands for Public Test Server
not Private. So it's accessible for anyone on PC.

[ebon steeple]

Go to Ubisoft connect scroll to the bottom of ur library and the pts will be there for download

[spare cove]

Honestly, why do some people believe the PTS is private is beyond me

[ebon steeple]

P could be private or public

But private defeats the purpose

[lunar hare]

not when you Google it.
It says Public

[harsh jewel]

the only thing ready to install in my library is Xdefiant 💀
(i might be braindead)

[kind veldt]

wait a bit to pop up or close and open ubi connect ot see if it refresh

[limpid pond]

not how that works, a CLOSED Test, is private and requires some kind of authorization to get in.

i have never seen PTS in gaming stand for "Private Test Server"

[kind veldt]

anyhow the PTS channel should open again tomorrow prob

[elder sentinel]

when does 5x end

[ebon steeple]

It was over last weekend

[harsh jewel]

yeah i've tried everything lol nothing is there guess no pts for me

[broken sparrow]

Thinking about getting back into this game... how is the grind these days?

[eternal spire]

its a looter shooter

[kind veldt]

easy to get what you want in general, harder to get if you want everything maxed out in the exact combination you want

[broken sparrow]

Ya don't say?!?! It's been a couple years since I've played regularly.

[dire grotto]

mfw I get ambushed by 4 Outcasts crawling out of a manhole 3ft behind me
I try to hop down from the truck I was using for cover, but I got stuck on a tiny invisible wall blocking me from getting away

[twin nacelle]

server issues on playstation anyone?

[kind veldt]

small question, how much was perfect brazen changed?

[small spear]

• it now has a version for pvp, 2% per pellet for normal and 3% for perfect
• in pve, normal and perfect both have 3.5% per pellet, and still only differ in required pellets landed

previous:

• both pve and pvp have 3% per pellet scaling, and normal and perfect also only differ in required pellets landed (4 for perfect, 6 for normal)

[kind veldt]

oh right the perfect version needs less pellets

my brain forgot and was finding the change in the patchnotes odd thinking they made the regular hit harder

[ancient thicket]

how to get to the test server?

[hybrid ore]

It's a separate download on ubi-connect.
You can transfer some files over, but it is a download in itself.

[ancient thicket]

where can I find and download the test from ubisoft?

[hybrid ore]

Open Ubi-connect > Library > Search "PTS" > Download > Enjoy!
Make sure you download the one for div2. It might take a while.

[lapis junco]

Its not live btw

I hate this new forward button, anyone know how to remove it

[ancient thicket]

division 2 downloaded. PTS is not found in the library

[hybrid ore]

The pre-load is available so it should be there, but yeah not live yet.
Try restarting various things and/or just waiting for a bit.

[fallen locust]

(Assume the grupo is a double Crit)

[hybrid ore]

Is this a high-end setup or gearset?

[fallen locust]

Can I post an image?

[hybrid ore]

You physically can not in this channel, no.

[fallen locust]

K

[hybrid ore]

You can over in #td2-build-advice though.

[fallen locust]

Catharsis, W&H DB Crit vigilance back, W&H DB Crit unbreakable chest, pic holster

(It’s my no prep DPS build)

[kind veldt]

pre load is not up for me yet

[hybrid ore]

It's always been kind of wonky exactly when it shows up.

[small plume]

Noooo, they nerfed my weapon that they didn't buffed yet T_T

(It will still being able to oneshot bosses when fully stacked, and it will probably be able to oneshot purples unstacked)

Ok, they rebalanced the MMRs and the shotguns, they all seems pretty fine, now.

[kind veldt]

still iffy on the super 90

double barrel now at least hits harder

[small plume]

Why they will not nerf the Elmo's ammo capacity, tho?

Crit chance and damage takes a small slap on the wrist
Handing took a good nerf
Ammo remain unchanged.

[kind veldt]

huh they didnt touch the AK? just nerfed cause ???

[lapis junco]

why did they nerf mp7 lol

[small plume]

Because... no one picks that weapon (except Swap chain), so they wanted to make sure no one really picks it.

It's it obvious?

[kind veldt]

after resolve it became quite strong

seeing how they changed the SMG-9 and others to have 1k rof i think they want ot roughly put it on hte same spot

[small plume]

For the SMGs, all I care is about P90 and M1928 / Tommy Gun

I'm sad that they're nerfing the AUG A2 that much.

Damn, M4 AR is quite interesting.

I'll need one.

[fallen locust]

What are the odds we get the ability to reroll exotic armor next season?

[small plume]

But you can do it already.

[fallen locust]

You don’t get random perks

[small plume]

Well, that's not intended to change.

Damn, they're nerfing Liberty...
The D50 was ok to be nerfed, but the Liberty? So unnecessary.

[fallen locust]

Before they introduced the ability to reroll the bottom perk for all exotic guns, they allowed random ones to be found on the Oreo.

They have now introduced the Acostas kneepads with the ability to get random perks.

The question now is, will they do the same thing they did with the guns

[lapis junco]

Liberty follows D50

[small plume]

Still, I think the damage should not change.

[lapis junco]

possibly

Dont think till be this season tho

maybe next TU

[fallen locust]

I agree, it’s likely coming in the DLC

[small plume]

Funny how they first nerfed the .308, making it the worst MMR in the game, now they buffed it's damage to 400000.

Finally it will have it's use.

They made the numbers red, tho, like they're nerfing it, but the damage is higher.

[kind veldt]

well the D50 is getting a rof upgrade

still in an odd situation due bad recoil

[small plume]

But it's stability is trash, you're not gonna spray with the weapon.

It's an odd nerf, imo.

The D50 is cancer, but the Liberty is almost like a victim, is a weapon that happen to also be a D50 exotic.

[fallen locust]

The harvest is the best DPS pistol now

[small plume]

Not best DPS.

[fallen locust]

?

D50 is getting nerfed, the harvest is getting a ROF buff for its already buffed damage

[small plume]

It will oneshot elites with a headshot build, but doesn't make it best DPS.

It's reload is pretty high and the ROF is the worst of all the sidearms.

[fallen locust]

The ROF is getting buffed

[small plume]

Still the slowest, 149

[kind veldt]

and small magazine

[small plume]

Oh yeah, I forgot about it.

I'm dumb.

[lapis junco]

DPS is dmg * RPM/60. reload speed or mag size doesnt matter, isnt accounted for

[small plume]

Not gonna lie, I think the 93R might get the highest DPS in a crit build.

159000 damage in 700ms

Maybe I'm confused with the numbers.

Is the 700ms counting all the 3 shots?

The 52300 damage is per bullet or counting all 3 shots?

[full zinc]

you may need to restart the app to have pts populate

[ember magnet]

Hi all. Im trying to farm frd. is CP farming still the best? if so, which one would be fastest?

[lunar hare]

Sleeping Giant
Sinkhole
Navy Plaza

and if I'm not wrong it's best to craft them or farm them in the dz (idk about this one too much)

[ember magnet]

Thanks! I'll try those first as I usually run into bad luck in dz... lol

[rain hedge]

countermeasures sound fun actually

[azure lintel]

the damage on burst weapons is each bullet

[small plume]

So it is 159000 in 700ms...

[azure lintel]

no, its exactly as stated. 52965at 700 RPM

[small plume]

I don't get it.

[azure lintel]

im not sure if you're trying to say metres per seconds or milliseconds, both of which arent applicable

[small plume]

I'm confusing a lot of things, too.
How are those ROF numbers applied?

[azure lintel]

ill assume my reaction times with a stopwatch is within a tenth of a second, and I only get 890 RPM with the 93R in the game currently

31 rounds in 2.09 seconds

thats with mouse wheel firing, so thats as fast as it can fire

[azure lintel]

I don't actually know how they derive the RPM numbers, granted I've only tested 2 of them. The first being the 1886 which actually has a maximum fire rate of about 125 RPM not 100 as stated in game, and the 93R info I just posted

lol thats portuguese

[small plume]

(-_-')

You know I'm brazilian, right?

[azure lintel]

i didnt know that no

my humor detection is broken lately i apologize

[small plume]

I thought the PTS was open.

[kind veldt]

in what sense?

[lapis junco]

nah, tomorrow. you can just predownload now

[cyan narwhal]

you mean today

[lapis junco]

it goes live tomorrow. you can predownload now (today)

[cyan narwhal]

its 4 for me so today

[lapis junco]

?

[cyan narwhal]

timezone difference

[lapis junco]

it goes live october 4th. usually 7am EST

whatever that converts to in your time

[cyan narwhal]

yes

in 9 hours probably

[azure lintel]

5th character slot! LETS GO

i finally get to play hardcore

[hexed wyvern]

why did you need a 5th character slot in order to play HC?

[azure lintel]

so i dont have to delete one of my 4 characters

[hexed wyvern]

Gotcha. Hope we see some updates to HC mode in the future to better utilize the 5th slot.

[hybrid ore]

Yannick mentioned yesterday that they are looking into both a 5th character slot and HC, but they are not the priority right now.
The issue with a 5th character is "server space", to quote directly. So I'd put that one lower on the list.

[hexed wyvern]

Gotcha. Thought a 5th character slot was something that is coming with 2.0. Would honestly rather see resources dedicated elsewhere instead of just dropping in a 5th slot for the sake of just having a 5th slot.

[hexed wyvern]

Still think hardcore mode overall has huge untapped potential for this game especially with the new 2.0 structure.

[hybrid ore]

There actually was going to be a 5th character slot coming with the next Season, but it was going to be locked to the new Sasonal Character, which is no longer happening.

[hexed wyvern]

That's what I mean. I don't think it's worth the space to supplement the seasonal character slot for another standard slot.

[blissful sable]

How were they going to keep creating new characters in each season? That would have created server problems as well wouldn't it?

[kind veldt]

one season slot that would later replace your empty slot, if everything was full it would get deleted at the end of hte season

[frosty wadi]

Why is that the case

People already use multiple characters for campaign runs

Not this just grants more space

[blissful sable]

Interesting. It seems better this way, then.

[frosty wadi]

People keep saying seasonal characters should’ve been given a chance but it would’ve killed the influx of new players and absolutely would’ve made players leave

[random elk]

Does Sacrum Imperium drop in just anything or does it have to be a specific enemy type or anything?

[frosty wadi]

Drops in anything, search for marksmen rifles, but honestly don’t bother its a garbage exotic

Not worth using

[kind veldt]

i mean it's gonna get better next season, still not gonna be great

[random elk]

just collecting

[inner elbow]

I am going to cry a whole season for the now-retired League

[blissful sable]

I have always meant to try to create a status effect sniper build with the Sacrum Imperium. It is a niche exotic to be certain.

[kind veldt]

it's.... just bad

it's bad as a sniper

now it's going to be a weird close range full auto DMR

[blissful sable]

I struggled with it. The talent was difficult to proc. I keep thinking I did something wrong.

[kind veldt]

need absurd amount of accuracy and stability to get the G28 accurate or stable

possible with the new mods for sure

but not for an exotic

unless you can pull out an absurd amount of weapon handling our of your bum, no offense

[blissful sable]

I struggled getting "the trap" talent to effectively proc. Too often targets would die and it would not spread or work correctly.

If they are making some MR's and Rifles full auto, I really hope they increase the ammo limit.

[kind veldt]

they are not

to be fair that's gonna balance rifles out

because they now melt people and stuff like breakpoint is now usable

meanwhile aces and eights is still handy for hard hitting rifles like M1A and 1886

great for cowboy loudouts

[blissful sable]

It is good to see the 1886 get some love. I always loved the Diamondback.

I always wanted a non exotic variant that was good with a regular talent.

Making those 2 rifles work with Aces is helpful to both of them. Also it fits with the western theme.

[kind veldt]

well it's getting magazine size upgrade fater so many years

so it's probably in the best spot it ever was

i dont remember is aces card bonus universal o only works with snipers?

might make actually full cowboy build using 1886, double barrel and regulus

[small spear]

you mean now or gear 1.0?

[kind veldt]

now

if got a full hand

[small spear]

cuz now (as in before pts) it only works with mmr, in pts it also works with rifles

[kind veldt]

does the bonus apply to any gun?

[small spear]

in pts only mmr and rifle

[kind veldt]

just to be sure, you are talking about the bonus after flipped enough cards to form an hand?

[small spear]

let me check again. i remember it prefacing everything with "when using a marksman rifle" or something like that

so cards only flip when you hit with MMR, but after proccing the hand bonuses i'm not sure if the buff applies to all guns after that. this is something i have to verify

[blissful sable]

The trello added text for rifle

+15% Marksman Rifle Damage; +15% Rifle Damage

It did not list if the talent was changed to rifle, but you would think if they are changing the 2pc bonus it would apply to the other tiers.

Here:

Flip a card when landing shots with a Rifle or Marksman Rifle 🟢. After 5 cards are flipped, the damage of your next shot is amplified by 30%. More shots are enhanced the better the hand revealed. Four of a Kind: 4 shots, Full House: 3 shots, Aces and Eights: 2 shots. Flip an additional card on headshots.

Before: Flip a card when landing shots with a Marksman rifle. After 5 cards are flipped, the damage of your next shot is amplified by 30%. More shots are enhanced the better the hand revealed. Four of a Kind: 4 shots, Full House: 3 shots, Aces and Eights: 2 shots, Flip an additional card on headshots.

[kind veldt]

my interest was in after the card flip

if i could do silly dirty harry stuff with my regulus

and comment if i only fired 5 shots or 6

according the card bonus

[blissful sable]

It applies to "next shot", it does not specify what weapon the next shot comes from

Rifles do flip cards tho

[kind veldt]

yeah they already did in the first PTS, so i guess i can make stupid regulus build with it

well the new holster will help you

[frosty wadi]

All that got added was the 15 rifle damage

Which the fact that it was missing that and doing alright is a pretty good sign

[blissful sable]

Hey it is another build that's not striker, right?

[frosty wadi]

Well yea

Just because its not striker doesn’t mean its good

Aces should be very good considering its using the least used weapons in the game next to pistols and shotguns

The 15% rifle damage may allow for my striker hive healer to work

That or I may try something else

A lot of this is just banking on that new addition

15% isn’t much but it can replace a red core

[blissful sable]

It shows they are trying to make certain over looked gear sets cater to more styles of play.

[frosty wadi]

Yea its not like weve been asking for a long time or anything

Striker is heavily overused to a point that not only do a lot of builds suck, but strikers is actually the best and easiest

[blissful sable]

It is easy pick up point and shoot. A number of other situations make it necessary to provide support for it. It isn't the end all be all. It is strong when you stack it properly. When that does not happen, high end can beat it.

Creating other options besides striker also helps. Aces and rifles needed some help.

I personally prefer skill builds and Hunter's fury.

A lot of my favorite items are getting buffs.

I guided a person tonight into creating a build using a ninjabike. He loved the fact that he could run glass cannon and not have to stack anything. Ninjabike with 5 different brandsets made carefully can be surprisingly powerful. People forget that vigilance in certain types of firefights is often not there.

He created an SMG/Baker's dozen build.

[frosty wadi]

If you aren’t getting vigilance you are dying

[hexed wyvern]

Seasonal characters were going to get wiped every season. Each season was going to have a two week intermission period where players would've had the option to transfer any gear obtained on their season character over to their main. XP was going to get transferred over too. Plus during these two weeks, we'd would've been allowed to play seasonal content on our mains.

[frosty wadi]

I don’t think you understand that nobody is going to boot up a season 2 weeks before its over to play the content

[blissful sable]

It seems like it would have been needlessly complicated.

[frosty wadi]

Seasonal characters were actively harmful to casuals and new players

It would have killed the game

[hexed wyvern]

Not really. Out of all of the games that do wipes, this was a great system. Other games player characters are hard wiped without the ability to carry over anything gained during the season.

[frosty wadi]

Its not a wipe

You know why tarkov has a wipe? Because its a pvpve game with a literal in game economy

If it doesn’t have it new players will get destroyed

This, is a LOOTER SHOOTER with heavy focus on pve

[blissful sable]

I dunno. I wanted to learn more, but the devs just dropped it.

[frosty wadi]

Seasonal characters would’ve killed the playerbase, it would actually stop new players from playing

[hexed wyvern]

Plus. We didn't even get to test the system, so we can't say how complicated or un-compliated it was going to be.

[hexed wyvern]

Same.

[frosty wadi]

We don’t beed to test the system because we know how it works

You don’t care about the player base, you just want a reason to play the game and not be overpowered

You miss when you played the game for the first time

The fact that they could even drop seasonal characters at all says all you need to know about the system

[hexed wyvern]

would've been a fun concept to keep the grind alive every season. Shame the devs caved IMO.

[frosty wadi]

I and 90% of the player base ain’t restarting a new character to grind for days to get remotely close to my default character just to play mediocre seasonal slop

Only to lose it all at the end of the season and do it again

Just no.

Thats not what a wipe is

[blissful sable]

I applaud their ambition. I am just not sure how the execution would have gone. Still it is gone and we can enjoy the next season.

[frosty wadi]

Im going to ignore your next sentence and just ask you Armed, why do you think the game is losing players, do you maybe think its because of a lack of sandbox variety in the last two years and the fact that we don’t have much new content at all, or do you think its because people are tired of grinding so they want to grind at a low level doing the exact same thing they always do

Legitimately ask yourself this

[dire ravine]

This is still going on 😂😭

[hexed wyvern]

Game only has 1,050 players on right now. Going into each season on maxed out builds isn't going to grow this game's playerbase; It would've been worth the shot to see how much it would've appealed to a wider audience. I have 4 buddies who quite playing a few years ago, haven't kept up with the game and thought the idea of seasonal characters was cool as hell. So, we can imagine how many other players who just wren't aware that seasonal characters were even mentioned.

I don't think going off the ~1.5k players was a good judgement call, but it is what it is.

[frosty wadi]

He keeps talking about it Im gonna respond

[frosty wadi]

Once again factually false and its midnight for America

I can’t ignore straight up lying

Im done for tonight, you have an obsession

[dire ravine]

No doubt I just can't believe he's still talking about it

[midnight lotus]

no amount of glazing is bringing back season 2.0 bro

lets betray every vet who backed the game for years now in hopes that maybe a crumb of new players will join in to replace them,brilliant idea

[hexed wyvern]

2.0 is cooked. fr.

[dire ravine]

Then stop talking about seasonal characters it's just getting ridiculous. It's not going to happen

[dire ravine]

Facts

[inner elbow]

So instead we get a half-baked system that introduces nothing new to the overall game experience because these modifiers are a) half-baked and b) optional

[hexed wyvern]

for real.

[undone timber]

The modifiers look neat

[inner elbow]

I don't know about you, but I don't want Division 2 to be one of those games that only cater to players with dinosaur playstyles

[hexed wyvern]

Agreed, but it seems that is already the case.

[inner elbow]

Sure, but there's absolutely no incentive for anyone to activate these modifiers, it's like it's just sitting there. The Devs are not even encouraging us, nor are there any exclusive rewards for playing with the modifiers active.

[undone timber]

I mean the incentive is they have some insane buffs

[still temple]

the modifiers look stupid, they will complicate even more an already extremely complicated design, nothing good could come out from this

[hexed wyvern]

That was my first thought. Don't even see the point in activating them when there's no actual point to having them on in the first place.

[still temple]

and insane penalties also, I'd say the penalties are higher than benefits

[inner elbow]

Tbf the modifiers are more rewarding than those in First Descendant. The latter was so bad that the NEXON had to eliminate all the debuffs

[undone timber]

Well yeah cuz the movement based ones literally soft locked a bunch of operations

Rest were fine though

Div modifiers look pretty good if they do what they say on the tin

Could freshen up the gameplay a bit

[still temple]

playing the same 5 years old content with those modifiers can't be called ”freshen up the game”, honestly

[hexed wyvern]

I have been very adamant about 2.0 as it stands now and again, the underlying issue with 2.0 is the gear ceiling. Devs need to understand the main incentive in looter shooters is the looting which at some point for every player just straight up ends.

[hexed wyvern]

Don't see players flocking back to his game to try out modifiers. Even though they add a different dynamic to the game, it doesn't re-insert any kind of grind for long term players.

[hexed wyvern]

we'll have to see what kind of modifiers we see in other seasons. I do believe each season will have it's own set of modifiers.

[inner elbow]

The current theme does not favour high risk high reward CQC playstyles and I completely understand that. It's more suitable for players who perch on one spot all day long, sitting behind cover like an automated turret.

[undone timber]

I mean one of the modifiers was more DTA at close range but you take 15 percent more damage

If it's a separate amp it could be huge

Risk reward

[hexed wyvern]

but still, doesn't really add anything or any kind of grind to the experience.

[undone timber]

You can always grind your watch to 7 digits if you want

[hexed wyvern]

what reward is any maxed out player getting with modifiers that is worth turning on modifiers?

[undone timber]

More damage

You can turn them on in raids too where the damage is actually helpful

Id imagine the incursion as well

[still temple]

risk reward ratio lately is kinda... meh, in any difficulty and any content

[undone timber]

Well ye

Have to cater to the Reddit recruiter gamers

Skill build master race

[still temple]

still situational, based on range mostly

[hexed wyvern]

I think I speak for most maxed out players when I say, there is no reward beyond a maxed out character no matter how difficult X may be. I am already dealing 800k crit hit damage on a Police M4 that shreds any content in the game. Don't see why I would be motivated to gain more damage output or level up my watch any higher just for scavenging points.

[dire ravine]

Ye don't ever speak for me

[inner elbow]

Lmao

[hexed wyvern]

skill builds goated fr

[undone timber]

I mean the reward tends to be the difficulty for players with nothing to grind for

Been trying to dabble in DZ and legendary cuz heroic is sleepy

[hexed wyvern]

DZ been dead ever since DZ brackets.

[still temple]

at this point I'm still thinking about those modifiers to be just another directives which add more XP, who want to play with them, fine, who don't, also fine

[undone timber]

I mean not really

If I can find players on Asian Xbox servers it ain't dead

[hexed wyvern]

I mean, really. Level 1,001+ DZs are dead.

[hexed wyvern]

Do we even get XP bonsus for having modfiers on?

[still temple]

no

[undone timber]

If they added more xp it'd be great but generally they don't have any downsides like directives

[undone timber]

I'm 1500 and I still get populated servers

[hexed wyvern]

Maybe. But XP at one point still becomes useless and loses value.

[undone timber]

Doesn't hurt to get more scav points for resources and expertise

[midnight lotus]

so in response to people complaining about the stale meta they tone down the level of power on weapons

which is justified btw

[hexed wyvern]

Either way. Grind still ends at one point for every player and modifiers don't add any real value to the game or introduce any new type of grind. Devs should've stuck with their original plans with 2.0 and I can't empathize that enough. If players don't need it, they are not going to allocate the time into doing it.

[midnight lotus]

and people suddenly dont want those nerfs

[hexed wyvern]

what even is the meta now?

[midnight lotus]

striker,determined

the average

and devs dont make anything more than 1 new mission per season btw

[hexed wyvern]

oh. Don't have either of those. lmao

[midnight lotus]

those newer missions are actually harder but then people cry

[still temple]

grind never ends in a game like this

[midnight lotus]

like that guy on reddit using a skill build against recruiter

[hexed wyvern]

No matter the game, people will complain when somethign is too hard.

[midnight lotus]

the game is never "too hard" people just grew accustomed to steam roll everything with a meta build

so when they run into a mildly challeging enemy they cry for nerfs

[hexed wyvern]

I mean it does. To a point there is no reason to grind past what the content requires.

[midnight lotus]

reworking difficulty might actually work better lmao

[hexed wyvern]

This is why the DZ got nerfed from Heroic to challenging because people threw fits.

[hexed wyvern]

Game needs to be harder and present actual challenges to players. Game has the most brutal lore in an RPG, but the most casual gameplay loop I have ever seen.

[midnight lotus]

difficulties were fine before they just got powercrept like crazy

[still temple]

separating PvP from PvE, this is what will really work

[midnight lotus]

so toning down gear by a reasonable amount, and buffing heroic content would actually benefit the game mreo

like heroic is easy

not even up for debate

[hexed wyvern]

In all honety, with Heartlands getting canaclled, I was really hoping to see some of those mechancis make it over to the game, either as a new mode or added to HC.

[midnight lotus]

if you struggle in heroic thats a skill issue

you call that elitism i call that get good

[still temple]

not for everyone, there are still a lot of people struggling in Heroic

[midnight lotus]

only the recent missions are actually somewhat hard

because of the enemy spawn

[hexed wyvern]

skill issue 100%. Game is really not that hard. I have been playing on heroic with 4x directives on for the past 3 years and I am average at best.

[midnight lotus]

div2 isn't a hard game until legendary and even then legendary can be crawled through

[undone timber]

Master difficulty could be fun

[spare cove]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't recent patches do separate PvE/PvP changes

[hexed wyvern]

No idear.

[midnight lotus]

yea most changes so far are separated from pvp n pve, we aint destiny 2 we can split the sandbox just fine so far

[still temple]

I mean in DZ to be players only, without NPCs, or implementing an On/Off switch for PvP if they keep the current configuration

[hexed wyvern]

DZs should never have an On/Off switch for PvP. When you go into a DZ, it's open season on your ass.

[still temple]

you still missed the point

without NPCs

[hexed wyvern]

The entire lore of DZ are to be the most brutal, unforgiving, most violent areas of the game.

[still temple]

and you still miss the point... 🤔

[hexed wyvern]

removing NPCs and adding an On/Off switch defeats the entire point of DZs.

If anything, DZs need a wider range of NPCs, including Hunters encounters and AI rogue agents.

Not remove them or in anyway take aways the brutality of what DZs are supposed to be.

[undone timber]

Breh go play survival

[hexed wyvern]

Defending the lore of DZs = wanting survival. lmao

DZs have already been nerfed into the dirt, let's not further nerf the coolest PvPvE concept a game has ever seen.

[undone timber]

Survival is the same as the DZ just with added grind and harder NPCs

Ain't that what you wanted😭

[hexed wyvern]

I mean. TD2 having some of those mechanics baked into the core game would be tight ngl. Just don't see how not wanting DZs to see any more nerfs equates to having to go play a whole ass other DLC. lmao

[peak bane]

This s*** lame tbh, 9x out of 10 I be minding my own business and than have some random A**hole(s) ruin 1h of gameplay cuz i get bombarded.. ruins the game tbh, I don't play division for pvp.. if i want to do pvp I'd play gears of war, xdeviant, halo, shit COD.. respectively division really isn't a pvp game

I agree having a on/off switch would be legit.. I feel like THE ONLY people who don't want an off switch are the people trolling everyone.. camping spawns, 4v1s overpowered cuz it's all they play ...like nahhh

[hexed wyvern]

respecfully, don't go into the only PvPvE areas of the game, then complain when you get PvP'd. I am not even a PvP player. Over 1k hours in DZs, I probably have less than 10 hours as rouge.

Just don't understand how players go into areas that make up less than 5% of the game's playable area, then complain about getting PvP'd. Having to fight rogue agents to get gear out is what made DZs actually fun.

[peak bane]

I'm division 2 j agree, division 1 is a totally different story.. I just don't see the issue with an on/off switch ...it's not exactly hurting anyone

[hexed wyvern]

Because that defeats the entire purpose, lore and point of DZs. If players want o farm in peace, don't go into DZs. The open world make sup 95% of the game's playable space that players can farm in complete peace. Not to mention Summit and Countdown.

[peak bane]

However I do agree, I would rather ai rogues, hunters, heavy elites and large scale enemies over pvp.. well again an on/off switch doesn't ruin YOUR TIME playing the game just makes it fun for someone else

Well in division 1.. the darkzone is the #1 place for classified, and division tech

[peak bane]

Like i said in division 2 I totally agree, I don't even touch darkzone cuz there's absolutely no reason for me too. This i agree.. but in the GENERAL concept idk...my vote is meet a wider audience and add the choice of pvp for players..AT LEAST on number 1

[undone timber]

I mean adding pve only DZ defeats the point

Cuz then it's literally just the LZ with a different name

[hexed wyvern]

Because that scales down the dynamics of DZs. DZs were fun as hell when there was a wide range of player level in which some decide to help others or just straight up steal their gear.

I mostly would help other players extract gear and fight off rogues.
The concept of PvPvE in DZs should never be changed since ~99% of all gear can be farmed outside of DZs and DZs are completely optional to begin with.

The lore of DZs is cool as hell and the fact that players can choose to go rogue on others or not is what makes these areas unique and dynamic.

This is all coming from someone who get's dumped on DZs. Once players walkthrough a DZ checkpoint, they are ask risk to being turned on.

[peak bane]

Because they also have conflict as well.. which is deadass a pvp game mode lol.. I mean if I REAALLLYYY wanted to face people pvp I would do conflict...but that's just me.. I don't ever go into darkzone and think "who am I gonna mess with today"

[molten verge]

Rogue Agent and hunter encounter in DZ when

[hexed wyvern]

IDK. But it would be tight.

Not sure why it's not already in the game.

[molten verge]

also make it so that because of how hard they are, they have good chance to drop good loots

like exotics

Rogue Agent encounters are already in LZ, why not bring to it DZ

[hexed wyvern]

I damn near sh!t my drawers if I heard ISAC say "Unkown heavily armed hostile nearby" and it's a hunter.

[hexed wyvern]

A.I rogue encoutners were replaced by the idea of allowing actual players to come into players game to distrupt other players mission/activity.

[peak bane]

Yeah i mean I get the depth, on paper it' sounds clean...but to spend hours farming in DC and finding some really cool.shit just to lose it all...just kills it for me.. but again I never said turn it off completely...I don't want to take your fun away 100% just let me do my own thing...I really don't believe me going off the grid in darkzone is gonna ruin your time on the game... I'm just sayin, like politely

[molten verge]

I dont think i want Player Rogue Agents coming in to distrupt missions and stuff

but in DZ, its fair game

[peak bane]

DZ* sorry

[hexed wyvern]

I mean, obviouly there was going to be an option to disable it. Just like how you can disable the PvP hacking in Watch Dogs.

Think it would've been a cool experience to be messing around in the open world and ISAC chime in "rogue agents near by" knowing we're about to have a juicer fight in the open world.

[molten verge]

tbh I dont really go into DZs, not until I have a PVP build built

I full well expect ppl to shoot me on sight

Unless its farming for System corruption or Dark Winter, Countdown is better

[hexed wyvern]

meh. Mixed. I have been in DZs were everyone was friendly. Then you get DZs where is mixed. Some people farming, others rogue. Then you get DZ where everyone is out for blood, but with DZ brackets, DZs kinda dead.

[molten verge]

Im waiting for the day i step into a DZ where everyone is out for blood

Its gonna be a very fun F*fest

[hexed wyvern]

ngl. I find it fun as hell trying to get gear out with rogue agents left and right.

[peak bane]

Ultimately, I honestly believe the pve option would only suck for the people who want to mess with people and troll for fun.. like bottom lining it..

But i do feel it should be a choice not like completely change the mode, all IM ASKING FOR is simply a "hey would you like to be lowkey and alone? Or pvp mode" and that's why I said like IF I play pve DZ the rule would be like (more hunters, ai rogue agents, etc.) Like to balance it out

[hexed wyvern]

But, with the few times I have gone into DZs with the bracket system, I have farmed for well over an hour without encounter anyother players.

[midnight lotus]

they should flood the DZ with marauder drones ngl

[molten verge]

so should there be a No Bracket DZ?

[midnight lotus]

for an april fools joke

[hexed wyvern]

This is where I am coming from. I don't do this to others, but that's kinda the risk of DZs. People can be Aholes just because.

[molten verge]

Not a No PVP DZ, a no holds barred DZ, anything is fair game

[peak bane]

But i do like that they didn't make darkzone mandatory on division 2 like its an feature and that's cool
.. division 1 that hoe was 50% of the map lol

[hexed wyvern]

I kinda miss where we had to go into DZs to get higher tier loot, but I get why it's not like that anymore.

[undone timber]

It's still a big part of the div2 map it's just split into 3

[hexed wyvern]

DZs still have untapped potential fr. Wish DZs had more dynamic missions and activities other than just landmarks.

Are there priority DZ missions in 2.0?

[peak bane]

Exactly! Like I LOVED darkzone is love the feel like dude It would be awesome to have it swarming with rogue agents/hunters but the ONLY reason I don't like it is just I'm there for ME...and I lose everything I just don't even want to play the game anymore... or maybe atleast let me be on some neutral shit like grand theft auto alone lmao

Online**

[hexed wyvern]

honeslty. I never understood why DZs don't have their own bounty targets we can activate like in the open world. Would be tight to have bounty targets for rogue AI agents in DZs.

[peak bane]

Like my perspective is like I'm a working guy with a wife, chores errands etc.... my point is I have a limited amount of time for gaming .. so to come home one night and let's say im playing division 3..darkzone, great loot, exotics whatever.. let's say that takes 3 hours of farming and chilling...

To get killed and basically lose those 3 hours of my night.. I don't have time for that man.. that's like why Im on let's have a pve (option) for darkzone

[hexed wyvern]

hold the phone. I get what you're coming from, but there ain't no way it's taking 3 hours to fill a bag. Grab it all and get out.

[peak bane]

Lmao just an example.

I mean like refilling the bag and what not

[hexed wyvern]

I feel ya

[chrome wind]

The game keeps giving Delta-3. I had a while to play. More than 3 times it has done it in 5 minutes. Shame. I'm on Xbox

[hexed wyvern]

Aren't they doing maintaince or something with the PTS?

[chrome wind]

I don't think so... they didn't report anything

[peak bane]

Yeah ik, but at the same time like I love the rpg, dark lore of division one of my FAVORITE games .. I don't think giving the pve option would take away from how much of a good game it is .. cuz 1s environment is beautiful. But all in all i feel you too and get why you like it.. I just want us both to be happy with it.. like Im not trying take away what you enjoy about it at all

[hexed wyvern]

not sure on that one.

Probably getting DDoS'd because they nerfed Jimmy's build and Jimmy is upset.

[chrome wind]

Well, I'm going to sleep

[hexed wyvern]

enjoy

[peak bane]

And honestly idk, maybe if i had a friend group that I played with to combat rouges would make me feel different 🤷🏼‍♂️ but none of my sorry ass friends play division like me lmao.. cuz I'm sure it's fun fr to be like 4v4 some rogues

But yeah I'm out too, good conversation, it's nice having healthy debates with a people that some sense loln

With people**

[hexed wyvern]

From me playing predominantly solo since this game released, IDk I just have become adapted to having to deal with 3-4+ rogues in a server at a time.

[hexed wyvern]

agree. Same. Already have like 10 peopel blocked up in here because they just go right to name calling. lmao.

[peak bane]

Yeah me to brother ... me too.. when i was younger I would go head to head with rouges...just out of testosterone lmfao.. but mann I just don't have it in me

[harsh jewel]

what time does the pts launch?

[hexed wyvern]

Not 100% sure.

[harsh jewel]

annoyed that i had to buy the game again to access it but i didn't have much of a choice i guess lol

[abstract rapids]

To buy the game again ?

[harsh jewel]

I had gotten the game on steam but I had no idea I wouldn't have access to the pts unless I got it via ubisoft lol

[hybrid ore]

Buying it on Ubi-connect since the PTS isn't accessible on Steam seems like a lot of effort to try something that's about to be added to the live game any way.

[harsh jewel]

Thankfully the ultimate edition was still on sale lmao

[echo cloud]

what is the go-to strategy to farm materials for optimization?

always low on this stuff

also what is the requirement i have to meet on a new alt to get access to SHD watch to claim material?

do i have to get to level 40?

[oblique timber]

@hexed wyvernomgersh your m4 can do 800k crit hit dmg???

[real creek]

That's reasonably easy to do.

[hybrid ore]

@echo cloud Yes you need to be Lvl 40 to access the SHD Watch.
If you are looking to do alt runs for mats via the SHD watch, make sure you are at least lvl 1500, probably higher.

Outside of doing a "watch run", try running Countdown and breaking down what you find+ buying caches as you need them. Same goes for Global Event stars.
Remember: Optimisation is designed as a way to "top off" getting your gear perfect, the bulk of the stats should be innately on there already.

[echo cloud]

ty

[plucky bridge]

when does the PTS server open?

[turbid loom]

Hello anyone and everyone, not played the division 2 yet, really enjoyed the first one, thinking of playing this one tonight after work, is it too late to jump into this game or should I jump right in? Thanksss

[cyan narwhal]

its live

[plucky bridge]

it should be open 20min ago!!

[hollow wagon]

i need 3 ppl more for DH

[spare cove]

Ask in LFG or in GCROCK discord

[azure lintel]

No I wouldn’t say it’s too late I’d say give it a try

Wait phase two already live?

[raw minnow]

Seems like people are playing it

[turbid loom]

Thankk youu

[raw minnow]

I only started playing the game a few months ago and love it

It gets overwhelming at some points but you just take it in stride and learn as you go

[azure lintel]

I will say though. As forward just pointed out the game can get very overwhelming at times but try and stick with it and ask for help if you need. Its an easy mistake to make

Oh question. Do the isac mods have any relation to the story in anyway?

[turbid loom]

Is there anything I should maybe stick to first when starting to play? Or any advice in that sence

[abstract rapids]

PLay the storry

From Washington to New York

And don't spend ressource on crafting

get to level 40 and the watch

anything under level 40 is worth to be deconstructed

[turbid loom]

So pretty much deconstruct everything under level 40 then, stick to the story, perfect mate thanks

[abstract rapids]

Just keep what you need to advance

change weapon regulary

try them all along the way

and when you got a weapon you like you can search for a build around it

but the build will be after getting level 40

Story mode is easy

And turret + drone help a lot as low level

[stark heron]

Reviver hive is always an option if you feel like it

[turbid loom]

Thank you very muchh, that's defo plenty to get me started, sure I'll pick it all up soon enoughh

[wispy burrow]

Turret too, shit helped me my whole playthrough, just don't stand close to where you threw it

[ebon steeple]

Well Oreo isn't further nerfed but it still feels worse than dark winter

[plucky bridge]

in PTS2 Brazos is bugging
it doesnt work
we need to change lordout everytime

[ebon steeple]

Put that in pts chats, it'll get seen there

[hybrid ore]

They have literally 0 roles, somehow.

id:customize @plucky bridge

[timber hatch]

The buff to killer is just nuts

[ebon steeple]

Did they nerf enemy health, anything that does 1mil dmg is melting

[timber hatch]

It basically puts dark winter on par with where ouro was

[hybrid ore]

I feel so very vindicated that Dark Winter is getting its day in the sun.

[timber hatch]

Nearly doubling it's talent will do that lol

[ebon steeple]

It's never left me, was always my swap weapon on exotic ARs

[ebon steeple]

If u run it with an AR the chd buffs on attachments keeps its DPS prob the same as when it's on chc attachments

[timber hatch]

What?

[ebon steeple]

The chd attachment buffs are so good, I been saying chc attachments are so much stronger than the chd mods

[timber hatch]

It's definitely a long overdue change

[raw minnow]

Well chc/chd mods are equal now so yeah you just put what you need to hit cap

But Ceska with 8% chc is better than Grupo with 13% chd

[misty reef]

Where is the talent perfect obliterate… put it on a 511 chest piece

[timber hatch]

There's 1 whole person who would love that

[misty reef]

There’s so much named items blueprints. That’s not in the descent

[raw minnow]

@timber hatch what did Perfect Killer go up to?

[ebon steeple]

Only a few really

[timber hatch]

From 50% to 90%

[raw minnow]

Yeesh

[timber hatch]

Yeah...

And riven claims to not be a dev...

[ebon steeple]

At least ravenous got fixed

[raw minnow]

On kill can be stinky but for solo stuff it's great

[raw minnow]

Shenanigans

[misty reef]

I don’t truly think they’re gonna have the chance to read all of this stuff if people are sidebaring about nothing

[timber hatch]

It did? That's good news. Can you check on the mosquito for me if your on the pts?

[ebon steeple]

Kinda weird they wanted the dmg ceiling on smgs so low, most my 100k dmg smgs in late 90k now on max expertise

Did mosquito even change

[raw minnow]

Yeah, damage buff and then the talent

[misty reef]

This update should’ve came with a new download content

[ebon steeple]

Ik it got buffed but did pts 2 change it at all

[raw minnow]

That's the question

Should have 102.5k base damage now

Didn't realize it got a 25.4% damage buff lol

[misty reef]

Named item blueprints should be added to the descent

[ebon steeple]

Wtf I'm hitting for a mil on my crit striker build

With no striker stacks

[raw minnow]

You're cracked

[misty reef]

Perfect obliterate should be inserted into the game at this point on a 511

[timber hatch]

Set a target at the range to elite invulnerable and just constantly shoot it with the mosquito without stopping. See if the damage numbers on armor keep going up

[hybrid ore]

@misty reef Descent does have named item blueprints, you can check the 📌 pinned comment for what you can obtain via there.

If you mean new ones, yeah it gets updated over time.

[ebon steeple]

Yeah it's going up, really slow tho

[misty reef]

Expertise should be put back in conflict, but with a scale system where people should play certain people with certain expertise

[ebon steeple]

So kill matchmaking?

I'm max expertise and think expertise in pvp is dumb

[misty reef]

We already passed two updates where no new blueprints have been added

[hybrid ore]

Wait, do you mean Expertise Levels are what would scale? Or Expertise on the items themselves?

[misty reef]

For instance, the harvest, proxy, combustor,

[nocturne siren]

Where’s the channel that devs want feedback in?

[ebon steeple]

Channels at the top

[timber hatch]

The thing is it works in a group, so it will skyrocket in boss fights

[misty reef]

There’s more named items that’s not there, but I understand their seasonal like to chill out mass the festivity book bag, the old Carol, the slayer

[hybrid ore]

@nocturne siren You need the PTS role via id:customize

[nocturne siren]

Ty

[timber hatch]

Conflict has so few people playing it can't remotely afford a system like this. I say this as someone with max experience/watch, it's a very good decision they took those out of conflict

[misty reef]

The talent pool idea has massive bugs in the descent where you won’t get another Exotic until 12 to 14 loop after your first one

[ebon steeple]

It's rng

I've had loops where I got exotic talents like 4 of the first 5 loops

I've had runs where I only get 1 til nemesis

[misty reef]

There’s more people that plays conflict on PlayStation five than dark zone

And that’s at all hours

[spiral lava]

Hello, sorry dumb question! my buddy just reached level 30 and finished Capital Hill.. what is the next "main mission" to do? game is not clear on what to do next

[ebon steeple]

I think that's technically where the base story ends, so u got new York dlc. Or some missions on the outside of the map bottom left or above the map

[timber hatch]

If they were going to have any matchmaking system it should be some sort of ELO balancing system, but there's not even that.

Conflict matchmaking is just completely random

[ebon steeple]

Def not enough players for sbmm

[misty reef]

That’s why I brought it up to their attention

[timber hatch]

Devs are paying zero attention to this channel

[spiral lava]

ok i thought so... the pilot isnt giving a prompt to go... what are we missing?

[timber hatch]

Except riven

[ebon steeple]

Do u own the dlc?

[misty reef]

By chance when the old seasons are coming back to unlock blueprints for the crafting table like Bellestone armory, and hunters fury?

[spiral lava]

yep, definitely bought the DLC version

[ebon steeple]

Last dev stream the idea of old season blueprints was brought up but it's not happening this legacy event

[hybrid ore]

^ just an fyi: You can not obtain Named Items from the Throwback Event, they confirmed that yesterday.

[misty reef]

hopefully these are the developers looking into my messages. Thank you for your time for the PlayStation gamers , I’ll see ya in PVP YesssLord

[ebon steeple]

Devs don't read this channel

[blissful sable]

So it is just exotics and gear sets?

[hybrid ore]

Yannick is the game director, I very much hope that he's not reading chats.

[ebon steeple]

Maybe restart ur games, the pilot at Washington (has an icon on map) is supposed to take u. Unless u aren't lvl 30 or higher maybe

[hybrid ore]

Exotics with a 100% drop chance from a "Seasonal cache" that you can earn via Stars, seems similar to Global Event.
No word AFAIK on gearsets.

[ebon steeple]

Are they cheaper exotics I just want components

[blissful sable]

I am going to respectfully disagree about the devs not reading channels. The devs of this game are very responsive. Some might argue that it frustrates them to no end how responsive the devs are on this game.

[ebon steeple]

They're reading pts channels, but I highly doubt they read these ones

[blissful sable]

They read everything 🙂

[hybrid ore]

They are in the server, they just choose to respond when they can. They have better stuff to do than sort through the sludge.

[full zinc]

Yannick prob reading you guys right now

[blissful sable]

They read a lot, they chose to respond rarely

[full zinc]

👉

[hybrid ore]

They mentioned "additional rewards" for completing the Manhunts during it, hopefully that means faster comm rates for the newbies that need them.

[ebon steeple]

Yannick add Theo skin back

[hybrid ore]

@full zinc They used my "it's a marathon, not a sprint" line, and I'm still waiting on royalties :p

[ebon steeple]

They gotta pay the racoons in trench coats first

[hexed wyvern]

breh. The PTS was 100% not worth buying the game again.

[full zinc]

if they ever start talking about Skill Buckets™️ we're all in trouble

[hybrid ore]

@hexed wyvern I did tell you.

[hexed wyvern]

yeah. 205%k crit hit damage on my build, with obliterate, vigilance, level 16 expertise + 110% headshot damage.

[hybrid ore]

It's a test server, anything in it is subject to change and you can just read about the changes yourself anyway.
and on top of all that: anything that's kept is going to be added in to the game. It's like paying to get into a bar early but they're still painting the walls.

[ebon steeple]

Eh this one feels more final ish

[hexed wyvern]

?

[ebon steeple]

But hey if they nuke Elmo and buff eb I won't complain

[hybrid ore]

Phase 1 was painting the walls, phase 2 is steam-cleaning the carpets.

[ebon steeple]

Can't wait for another rebalance for the dlc, nerf everything and dlc adds new meta for $$$

[remote pecan]

the problem with stuff like EB is everything is kill based, playing in a group, someone else gets the kill, you're f*****, because you won't get the buff

[hybrid ore]

sounds like a .....kill issue.

[remote pecan]

talents are designed for solo play, makes sense

[blissful sable]

It brings a tear to my eye thinking about all the times when people were mad that the "EB was locked behind the raid" and now people only want the St Elmos which is available to all. Now people want to nerf 'the people's shock gun'.

[hybrid ore]

I'll be here all week, I'm not allowed to leave.

[kind veldt]

Now imagine you are using a gear set that relies on kill to proc a damage bonus and for some reason still has bleed damage as a bonus

Man old OD was so bad

[blissful sable]

Yeah, but it is great now!

[kind veldt]

Theres room for improvement

15% bleed bonus and backpack are useless

[hexed wyvern]

LMAO

[blissful sable]

They did buff the bonuses, tho

[hexed wyvern]

won't be able to try out this PTS, anyone try it yet and is phase 2 even worth shaking a stick at?

[blissful sable]

I love running OD with groups and seeing their damage go up.

[ebon steeple]

It's hardly different just polishing

[hexed wyvern]

bummer

[kind veldt]

More that you dont need to kill an enemy under status effect, so those bônus are useless

[hexed wyvern]

is the seasonal XP functioning in this version?

Speaking of the seasonal XP, about how long does it take to complete the full seasonal track with 2.0?

[blissful sable]

I run it with survivalist and either sticky foam or emp launcher. One way or another something is getting status effected and dying under some status effect somehow.

I love the buff to sadist!

[hexed wyvern]

what did you say? Can't find the original message.

[hexed wyvern]

No. Game is PvE focused. Level and gear gap doesn't really matter.

[primal fiber]

iOS is on the bêta ?

Or only pc ?

?

[inner elbow]

thanks to Perfect Versatile, my Expertise 0 Swap Chain was doing 700k crits per bullet

[primal fiber]

Only pc or iOS the bêta ? Please

[inner elbow]

iOS?

Division 2 never made it into mobile

[primal fiber]

And the division mobile ?