td2-general-chat

[limpid pond]

i digress

they are trying to force changes to other builds

[frosty wadi]

No, they aren’t, oreo and elmo were both heavily overtuned in terms of stats for months since release

[limpid pond]

again, i digress

[unborn ravine]

How is the regulus not getting nerfed lmao

[spare cove]

Why it should be nerfed?

[neon wyvern]

I bet it's on the list somewhere

later

[rough phoenix]

I'm probably going to switch to the Magnum from the D50 for my HF/Ninja Determined build. Hilarious that the Snubnose has a better optimal than a gun with an actual barrel

[unborn ravine]

I will correct myself, how is it not getting a pvp nerf.

[frosty wadi]

Why

Why should stuff thats been consistently top of the meta and overtuned to a point nobody wants to use anything else remain the same?

[spare cove]

Exactly

Any time I wanna use something other than Elmo or Oreo, I feel like a deadweight

[frosty wadi]

We are getting a lot of wonderful changes

Hell eb might be insanely strong now

[unborn ravine]

EB was always strong, even after the previous nerf

[neon wyvern]

eb lacked crit

now it doesnt

[frosty wadi]

It last received a buff

[rough phoenix]

~10% increase in per mag DPS. I actually made a giant spreadsheet to compare the per mag, no reload of all the weapons based on the posted numbers

[neon wyvern]

people hate change ig

[unborn ravine]

EB is a headshot weapon, doesn't need crit

Same with Bighorn

[frosty wadi]

Wrong, it also now has the ability to have dttoc on it

Eb hits extremely hard currently

And has a 60 round mag

[unborn ravine]

The talent, makes it a headshot weapon

Anything is a ddtoc weapon now

Capitor has the most dttoc in the game

[frosty wadi]

Yes, but its more of a pvp perk than anything, you didn’t need to go for headshots, now its going to be very strong in pve with its upcoming buffs

[unborn ravine]

Why use the EB if not playing for the talent

[frosty wadi]

I feel like you just see the headshot talent and ignore that its still an ar

You should always be going for the head

On like, almost every weapon category

[neon wyvern]

Tenacity not as good when most ur survivability is based on shield anyways

in pve

[frosty wadi]

Yea

In pve its just a really strong gun

And now its possibly a meta option

Which is honestly fine since its raid and dz exclusive but a little concerning for pvp players probably

[unborn ravine]

Bighorn is more of a concern than the EB in pvp

IMO

But i don't really matter, I pvp and die a lot. lol

[frosty wadi]

Point being, a lot of the changes this season is making is to get people to use new things

Its great

[lethal sonnet]

Yeah but my expertise exotic components😭

[frosty wadi]

Huh

What about em

[lethal sonnet]

I’ve invested so much into expertising meta weapons lmao

But no I gotta shelf half of them and get hundreds more exotics to put new weaps at the same level

[unborn ravine]

I gave up on expertising weapons and gear

[frosty wadi]

Expertise really isn’t necessary

[unborn ravine]

Waste of time

[kind veldt]

meanwhile i invested in bighorn

because i just like it

[frosty wadi]

Death the wolf whistle

[kind veldt]

and sweet dreams because i thought it would have been funny

[frosty wadi]

Bro is rollin up a menace on this new season

[kind veldt]

i mean it was before the patchnotes

so it's more of funny coincidence really

[lethal sonnet]

I’ll just take a break from the game and come back for the new summarizes meta builds IG

[frosty wadi]

Sweet dreams talent should work on elites

[lethal sonnet]

Has always been this way for live service PvE games

[frosty wadi]

Thats just lame

[lethal sonnet]

This happens when you play too many looter shooters concurrently

[frosty wadi]

Needing to use meta for a pve game is very strange, you should take this opportunity to find and experiment with new things

[unborn ravine]

Why experiment

[lethal sonnet]

Meta nerf meta nerf again and again no time to figure out on your own

[unborn ravine]

Waste of time, use meta, clear content the easiest way

[frosty wadi]

The meta stayed the same for the last couple years

Striker is still going to be strong

Elmos is still good

[unborn ravine]

The meta changes all the time lol

[lethal sonnet]

Yeah that’s why I didn’t despair

[kind veldt]

I mean scorpio has been top tier for 5 years now?

[lethal sonnet]

I’ve already summed up basically what I needed to change

[kind veldt]

Elmo and ouro since they were released

[frosty wadi]

Yea scorpio finally got curbstomped

[lethal sonnet]

Mostly gear mods and certain rolls

[grand swan]

If only sweet dreams got a automatic mode

[kind veldt]

Semi auto

[grand swan]

BGM tomahawk mode

[fast ember]

And I just got it too!!

[frosty wadi]

Sweet dreams talent working on elites would be all you need to do to make it better

[frosty wadi]

I mean its still good, just not busted

[kind veldt]

I mean its what the spas 12 does, its both pump and semi auto

[lethal sonnet]

What’s in slot to sub for Obliterate now

[frosty wadi]

Obliterate still

[unborn ravine]

Striker getting nerfed and HB getting buffed is the funniest thing ever. Since Striker was buffed because it is "supposed to be the king of dps" after HB was melting it.

[lethal sonnet]

This is the only thing that seriously affected my loadouts…the obliterate and ceska nerf

[frosty wadi]

Striker still is

[kind veldt]

Perfect glass cannon if you really only care about biggest number

[frosty wadi]

The striker nerf is like nothing

[kind veldt]

They didnt say striker stopped being just the reasoning for the changes

[frosty wadi]

Only buff I think is weird still is umbra

[unborn ravine]

Yes, buff the pvp meta even more lol

[frosty wadi]

Like it’ll be better but I don’t think that will make it anymore popular

[lethal sonnet]

No as I have skill issue in self preservation 😢

[frosty wadi]

Pve only buff lmao, did you read the patch notes?

[unborn ravine]

I have 100% confidence, that the buff will somehow be bugged/used in pvp with these updates.

[lethal sonnet]

Besides I’m more of a crit chance pursuer

[frosty wadi]

Okay? Then it will get patched a couple weeks later, pvp sucks anyways

[unborn ravine]

They don't patch PvP, they don't even look at PvP anymore, not since the M1A 3 week meta.

[grand swan]

Whoever plays PvP needs to be above clinically insane

[lethal sonnet]

Btw…update when?

[frosty wadi]

In 2 or so weeks probably

[lethal sonnet]

Guess it’s half a month of GRB time

[frosty wadi]

Huh

Anyways, everyone upset about the few meta things being changed and some stat nerfs need to try the multitude of stuff getting buffed

Im pretty sure half the playerbase doesn’t even know aces and eights exists

[kind veldt]

i mean the shotgun changes and the ak nerfs have me upset

[unborn ravine]

Why uses Aces when Hotshot is far better?

[frosty wadi]

Im choosing to ignore them for my sanity

[kind veldt]

aces work with rifles now

[frosty wadi]

You really should read the latch notes

[unborn ravine]

I did, and they don't make any sense

[frosty wadi]

A lot of rifles are also full auto now

[unborn ravine]

AR > rifle

[frosty wadi]

Not the same thing

[unborn ravine]

I didn't say they were.

[frosty wadi]

They are keeping the same rpm, so they aren’t “buffed”

[unborn ravine]

I'm saying ARs are better than rifles

[kind veldt]

why would you use ARs with hotshot?

[frosty wadi]

Not really

[lethal sonnet]

Should I expect them to introduce Classifieds into 2 one day?

[kind veldt]

really dont think they plan to

[frosty wadi]

Rifles can be quite strong m, they reason nobody uses them was because of single fire and handling

[kind veldt]

this game has waaaay more gear sets

[unborn ravine]

Too much gear, not enough space to stash it all.

They just need to pull a Destiny and sunset gear

[frosty wadi]

Thats a horrible idea

[lethal sonnet]

What about that new ISAC modifier thingy

[spare cove]

Absolutely not

[frosty wadi]

Destiny even acknowledges thats its a horrible idea by literally having removed sunsetting gear entirely

[kind veldt]

kinda meh for me

modifiers are what i expected

division 1 GE

[frosty wadi]

Im interested to try em

[unborn ravine]

Give me more stash space then, then I will agree sunsetting gear is a bad idea for this game.

[lethal sonnet]

Didn’t they terminate sunsetting afterwards?

[kind veldt]

did they give people back stuff?

[lethal sonnet]

I left Des2 that season

[frosty wadi]

Yes, in fact rn in d2 if you have old sunset gear you can use it perfectly fine at max power score

[lethal sonnet]

Beautiful to hear

But not buying all those DLCs 😊

[unborn ravine]

D2 is dead now anyway

[frosty wadi]

No its not

[unborn ravine]

Bunguie going all in on Marathon

[frosty wadi]

Thats just false

[spare cove]

Not this crap again

[frosty wadi]

Doomposting once again

[unborn ravine]

Soo...Bungie layoffs and no more D2 expansions is not dead game?

[frosty wadi]

Thats also just false

[unborn ravine]

I don't even play it anymore lol I'm just saying

[frosty wadi]

Please do research before saying things

[midnight lotus]

a vegetable is also alive so

[kind veldt]

layoffs were pretty true

[unborn ravine]

Bungie layoffs were false? 😂

[frosty wadi]

Second half wasn’t and hes proven he doesn’t double check stuff before he says it

[spare cove]

The layoffs are true. The notion that Destiny 2 is dead is false

Frick, they shared what they're planning for next year

[unborn ravine]

When is the next D2 expansion

What is even left to explore in that game.

[midnight lotus]

next year

[unborn ravine]

The darkness is dead, ya killed the main enemy

[spare cove]

They're releasing two mid-sized expansions next year.

[midnight lotus]

imagine low level slop like curse of osiris

[tiny oar]

in march apaprently

[midnight lotus]

thats what bungie is dropping

[frosty wadi]

Actually filler content

[unborn ravine]

Worst expansion ever lol

[frosty wadi]

You don’t know that yet

[midnight lotus]

also with news about destiny rising and marathon bungie is probably gonna pull the plug sooner or later

[frosty wadi]

Why is it today that I become the positive person here

[midnight lotus]

the description of “2 smaller sized expansions” by leakers sound exactly like it

bungie sugarcoated it when they announced it

[frosty wadi]

Bungie had a full official discussion about it over a week ago

[spare cove]

I still think the 2 expansions are gonna be around Beyond Light size

[frosty wadi]

They didn’t “sugarcoat” it

[spare cove]

We should discuss this in another channel

[lethal sonnet]

Our before mods come 👀

[frosty wadi]

Anyways

[midnight lotus]

yes they did

[frosty wadi]

Aces and eights woooooo yeaaa aces baby

[unborn ravine]

Bungie right now: "Marathon or bust"

[lethal sonnet]

HB full Red can give it a go

[frosty wadi]

Um, no?

Just use striker

[spare cove]

sighs

You people are impossible

[frosty wadi]

Striker is still better dps than hb

[lethal sonnet]

The damage seems ok with perfect flatline

[midnight lotus]

insert the guy screaming “i am the surgeon” meme

[spare cove]

I might as well reinstall Destiny 2 just for spite

[midnight lotus]

do it

[unborn ravine]

HB s getting double the buff compared to the striker nerf.

[midnight lotus]

waste your money for no reason

[lethal sonnet]

And add the new buff

[frosty wadi]

New season has potential to be pretty sick

Scorn/fallen vampire theme

[midnight lotus]

every season has the potential to be sick

[spare cove]

I bought the annual pass edition last year, so I already wasted my money lol

[midnight lotus]

took 59 years for another vex season and it was atrocious💀

[frosty wadi]

Its still worse dps than striker

Like, factually

[midnight lotus]

not how it works

striker damage is an amp vs heartbreaker

[frosty wadi]

Im hyped that hb is being put in the spotlight but trying to do all red hb is just kinda dumb

[midnight lotus]

all red could work in theory if you run hybrid pieces like memento and picaro but it is gonna be a worse striker

[unborn ravine]

I must not know how to read, because nowhere on the striker gear does it say amp damage

[midnight lotus]

that has been the case for striker for years now

[tiny oar]

striker isnt amp damage and never has been

its normal weapon damage

[midnight lotus]

literally is

oh wait he had me blocked for beating him in an argument

[frosty wadi]

Regardless of what it is, striker still has a higher amount

[midnight lotus]

if you take it at face value its 170% vs 200%

[frosty wadi]

30%, basically useless now

[midnight lotus]

how do you even copy paste on google doc mobile

[frosty wadi]

Idk

[lethal sonnet]

Any ARs going to overtake Elmo’s handling?

[frosty wadi]

They already did before hand

[midnight lotus]

striker:amplify total weapon damage by 0.65% per stack
heartbreaker:1% damage per stack to pulsed enemies(proven to be additive)

unless proven otherwise striker is literally specified to be an amplified boost

cuz if hb buff is on par then it doesn’t need a buff to beat striker

[lethal sonnet]

Really? FME Elmo’s recoil is still unparalleled

[midnight lotus]

its just striker with a layer of bonus armor

[frosty wadi]

You don’t need to match its handling lol

It had too much

Like a stupid amount of it

[midnight lotus]

“striker isn’t an amp its flat additive” yea right bub

[lethal sonnet]

That handling is the cheesiest part of Elmo that makes me use it

Otherwise I would’ve gone to EB

[frosty wadi]

The elmo nerf is how the gun should’ve been since release

[agile pendant]

lmao st chad and ouro nerf. people here thought dev would never nerf them...

[tiny oar]

some other ar have good handling tbh, like f2k

[frosty wadi]

Good riddance to oreo and elmo

[lethal sonnet]

I need that no recoil 😭

[agile pendant]

eb was already as good after they buffed, now it got buffed again....

[midnight lotus]

st chud

[tiny oar]

try out shield splintered i like the accuracy and stability

[frosty wadi]

Im probably never touching elmo again now that we have full auto lvoas

[agile pendant]

[midnight lotus]

380 rpm:

[lethal sonnet]

The fire rate for the auto Rs are not going to be high prob

[frosty wadi]

Whats the slowest fire rate of an ar

[midnight lotus]

550 iirc

[frosty wadi]

For comparison

[raw minnow]

600 post update

[frosty wadi]

Eh not a massive big deal imo

[raw minnow]

Fastest rifle is gonna be 420

The ROF's aren't changing on rifles, you can theoretically get those if you can spam hard enough

[frosty wadi]

Its a balancing reason

[frosty wadi]

Yeah technically its a buff no?

Since you can’t normally get that rpm consistently

[midnight lotus]

its more like a QoL change

[raw minnow]

Yeah, just easier to use

But gonna kick likes mules

[frosty wadi]

Ive said this a bunch already

Yea

Thankfully they do enough damage to put in weapon handling

And plus attachment buffs

[unborn ravine]

my 1886 got buffed, that's all that matters

[azure lintel]

1886 frens, we can't stop winning

[frosty wadi]

Yee haw

[unborn ravine]

I'm mad you can't put attachments on the tommy guns.

[agile pendant]

man eb will be in more demand now, that means more raid runs for people who dont have it

[lethal sonnet]

Already have 5

[unborn ravine]

I've given away like 40+ EB's

[lethal sonnet]

Fully maxed DTTOOC

[unborn ravine]

Before expertise was a thing.

Same with Ravenous

[lethal sonnet]

How much is EB Weap Handling increased this time round?

[raw minnow]

No handling increase

+5 chc, +5 chd

[agile pendant]

oh shit rav becoming full auto lol

[frosty wadi]

Ye

[agile pendant]

hunters will be deleted in countdown now

[frosty wadi]

Im interested to see how merciless performs on aces

[tiny oar]

as if they lived for more than 5s already lol

[ebon steeple]

whats with peoples obsession that the lvoa is auto now?

[tiny oar]

lvoa was a must have in div 1

lot of people were sad it wasnt full auto in div 2

[unborn ravine]

^ me

[agile pendant]

they do when you got a newbie/low level group lol i have to save them often. usually they are downed by the hunters

btw is the final part of the current season manhunt out yet?

[tiny oar]

yes

[lethal sonnet]

I’m a Div 1 lwm4 enjoyer

Lvoac was better in terms of handling but hard to find good rolls with

[frosty wadi]

I have an obsession with the Lvoa-c, its my favorite gun to ever exist

[ebon steeple]

i only used it in wildlands

[frosty wadi]

Its pretty good in wildlands

[tiny oar]

same here, great feeling overal

[frosty wadi]

The division version has bad attachments because they knew it was very good

Anyways full auto lvoa is finally happening and its hype

The most hype thing about full auto rifles is the buffed behind you

Behind you could be a problem

Its already a good talent just on bad guns

[long glen]

Whoa...what's with the insane amount of nerfs coming Div? Nerfing Striker, St. Elmo's, Ouroboros etc...yikes.

[kind veldt]

You say insane but i think you listed most of them

The rest were mostly buffs

[long glen]

There are many more.

Buffs to junk, sure lol

[kind veldt]

So they shouldnt buff bad stuff to be good?

[long glen]

They should...but they should leave the already good stuff the hell alone lol.

Don't nerf the good stuff and boost the junk. What kinda sense does that make? Lol

[kind veldt]

Because it wasnt good stuff that got nerfed it was the busted stuff

Ouroboros was never balanced

They kade stupidly OP gun and slapped a joke talent

Thats not balanced

[agile pendant]

they nerfed those cuz thats all people ran... u did a random mission with group finder, all other players ran was just strikers with st elmo or oreo

[frosty wadi]

A lot of that junk just became good

Like rifles

Rifles just became good

[grand swan]

How about a fully auto nemesis that will totally not break the game

[frosty wadi]

Tbf I don’t see how that would be very good

Even as a joke

Point is this season is everything we needed

Except for shotguns and the ak lol

[lethal sonnet]

It’s a nerf to almost every popular gear and weps

[unborn ravine]

They nerfed bad things already too again.

[frosty wadi]

You mean the things that were so good you had no reason to use anything else ever

[unborn ravine]

Example: MP7. Already bad, was buffed, now is nerfed again.

[lethal sonnet]

I never said they weren’t too good im not really complaining anymore lol

[azure lintel]

mp7 nerfed wtf

[lethal sonnet]

Just pointing out that they are popular and , yes, overused

[unborn ravine]

Nerfed. less damage and same rpm before buff

[frosty wadi]

Reminder that stuff got nerfed because of the other buffs made

[grand swan]

We all knew shit was gonna happen anyways

[azure lintel]

well i can see i going look for next game

[lethal sonnet]

Yes, it’s just I had to make myself cope when expectations hit as reality

[frosty wadi]

Huh

[unborn ravine]

Bad weapons are still bad, which makes no sense.

[grand swan]

Last time I heard this people returned

[azure lintel]

well i not

[grand swan]

[frosty wadi]

The only people who are upset are the people the nerfs were specifically targeted for

[azure lintel]

and u not?

[frosty wadi]

No because the nerfs are good

[azure lintel]

XDDDDDD

[frosty wadi]

There are some bad nerfs here and there but the ones that matter are good

This is a quality of life improvement for the game

[azure lintel]

no shit sherlock

[frosty wadi]

Clearly not for a lot of people

[lethal sonnet]

But to massive, it comes down to whether this change will preserve player count or push more away

[midnight lotus]

tbf there's a lot of things that are wrong with the rebalance

[lethal sonnet]

We’ll see

[midnight lotus]

but i can spend the next 15 minutes explaining them and yall would just say "just try it out brooooo"

[azure lintel]

and players will be not happy and seing his update

[unborn ravine]

The problem is...the Devs don't play their own game, so they don't know how to rebalance it

[azure lintel]

exactly

[unborn ravine]

I'm still gonna play it, and be mad. I love/hate this game.

[azure lintel]

good for u man

[lethal sonnet]

Fact

[ebon steeple]

my opinion, these buffs are so good the oreo nerf seems unnecessary

[frosty wadi]

Oreo deserved to be stomped into the grave

[unborn ravine]

Nah. Regulus deserved that.

[frosty wadi]

Its a little too much, but at the same time, its their fault for making a bad talent

[azure lintel]

ourobos not deserved dude

[ebon steeple]

half the exotics are bad talents

or good talents on bad weapons

[lunar hare]

chatterbox my beloved

[frosty wadi]

Multiple exotic weapons got buffed

[lethal sonnet]

Time to 26 my Chatterbox I guess

[ebon steeple]

chatterbox the new oreo which is why the oreo nerf is dumb

[frosty wadi]

The entire point of this update is to bring life to the sandbox

People are getting tired of using the same things over and over

[tiny oar]

i dont think chatterbox will be the new oreo

[kind veldt]

Chatterbox talent has more conditions and limits than just existing

[tiny oar]

other smg are just on par now

[unborn ravine]

What was the point of the last big weapon/gear update then...

[azure lintel]

ouroboros way better was than chatter

[ebon steeple]

its also 10x easier to get

[frosty wadi]

To do the exact same thing, it also didn’t do much, a lot of people will agree that it didn’t do enough

[ebon steeple]

why do ppl not agree raid weapons should be OP

[tiny oar]

they shouldnt ?

[raw minnow]

Well they're seemingly not hard to get

[tiny oar]

they should be good, not op

[frosty wadi]

Raid weapons should’nt be op but they should at least be good

[unborn ravine]

EB was OP when it first dropped.

[tiny oar]

gatekeeping content isnt great

[frosty wadi]

Yes then it got nerfed for years

[tiny oar]

and yeah eb on release was incredibly op and it had to get hard nerf

[ebon steeple]

its not gatekeeping its providing something to build up for

[unborn ravine]

EB+TP= good time

[frosty wadi]

Its gate kept

[azure lintel]

nerfed eb wasnt dude

[tiny oar]

so why would you not make something op locked behind a normal mission then ?

[frosty wadi]

Could you please make sense

[tiny oar]

whats the point of having op stuff at all

[azure lintel]

no

[lethal sonnet]

Yodaspeak

[grand swan]

Fun for a limited time

[azure lintel]

eb second time was buffed atleast for now

[tiny oar]

i dont feel the fun, but why would you not play only op weapon ?

if its op, just play op stuff

[grand swan]

It doesn't really matter whether it's op or not because you're going to (somehow) melt the enemy

Considering the damage and level

[tiny oar]

well if there is no difference, then its not op

if a normal not op weapon can do the same then there is no op stuff

[grand swan]

It'll take time while the op one won't

[tiny oar]

then it doesnt melt

thats the point

and if you have an op build why play anything else ?

[ebon steeple]

its literally impossible to have a perfectly balanced meta, not a single game has one. Something always stands out over the rest

[tiny oar]

why take 30min to finish a mission when you can do it in 10

[tiny oar]

"nothing is perfectly balance" doesnt equate " we should hav eop stuff that make the game so easy you dont even plug in your brain"

[ebon steeple]

dont use it then

u act like ur handcuffed to the oreo

[tiny oar]

no, balance it

a game close to a balance state is better than 1 gun melting everything

[agile pendant]

it became insanely strong after they unlocked the 3rd slot lol

[unborn ravine]

It would take 6 more years to balance this game

[agile pendant]

now with 2nd buff its gonna be better

[tiny oar]

like

why do you want a gun that make everything too easy ?

whats the point of having difficulties at all ?

[agile pendant]

to me eb is the new st elmo, front bread runner gun

[tiny oar]

just play on normal and kill everything fast

[agile pendant]

cuz thats how metas work... most games have metas

[ebon steeple]

all the rewards arent in normal mode lmao

[agile pendant]

there always gonna be a tier list

[astral jacinth]

How long does the moon cake festival last?

[tiny oar]

meta doesnt mean op

[rough phoenix]

Lol. I don't even pay attention when I play. I pretty much zone out.

[tiny oar]

yes they are, you can drop the same items

[tiny oar]

a gun stronger than other is fine, a gun op isnt

thats what im talking about, op is different than just "stronger"

[agile pendant]

i mean oreo and st chad were overtuned for the longest time and even slightly op. its why they were used by everyone

[tiny oar]

yes, thats why its bad to have op stuff

[frosty wadi]

Oreo was more than “slightly op”

[ebon steeple]

thats the kinda comment that has ppl on the first descendant quiting because they cant get the 3% drop in normal when they can get the drop easier in hard mode at 6%

[tiny oar]

stronger stuff is fine, op isnt

[long glen]

And there was nothing wrong with it. Games done.

[azure lintel]

slightly? lmao

[tiny oar]

never played

[lunar hare]

Heya there

[frosty wadi]

What?

[agile pendant]

i am watching my words this server has hardcore oreo fanatics. they are probably on suicide watch today lmao

[frosty wadi]

I wouldn’t say that at all

[tiny oar]

nah, i love oreo, but its a dumb weapon

[long glen]

Howdy. Gotta love getting screwed without lube lol.

[tiny oar]

i like gun diversity

[unborn ravine]

Looks dumb too

[tiny oar]

meh, design is fine for me

but talent is useless

[lunar hare]

lmaoo
I'll be on tonight, last week I was busy with tests

[long glen]

10-4. I'll be on in a few.

[agile pendant]

talent was made to counter status spam in pvp

[tiny oar]

yeah, but i dont play pvp

[agile pendant]

wasnt everyone just stacking shock bullet in dark zone, shocking and kill you in 2 secs. yay it was like that before they added oreo

[unborn ravine]

I doubt thats what the talent was made for

[frosty wadi]

Its a pve talent

[tiny oar]

idk why it was made, but the base numbers are jsut too high

even if it had 0 talent it would be too op

[agile pendant]

it was nerfed before release slightly

[tiny oar]

cause base damage and rof is too high

[unborn ravine]

A IRL vector can fire at 1200rpm...so for a game to give it higher is just fine lol

[tiny oar]

i like a challenge, i dont like just looking at enemies and they die isntantly

[frosty wadi]

Realism doesn’t translate into a video game

[tiny oar]

unless its the outcast suicide bomber

thoses ones can die fast and im happy

they deserve it

they ugly af

[unborn ravine]

Sure it does

[lunar hare]

We wanted a gearset that made you a live bomber
Not two useless Weapon Handling sets

[tiny oar]

gear set : semtex, you get near any npc you die and they get massive damage

[unborn ravine]

Only gearsets I want are D3FNC and Nomad.

[tiny oar]

[tiny oar]

unbreakable is basically nomad tbh

[oak geode]

Someone with good taste I see

[frosty wadi]

Go play div 1 then

[unborn ravine]

Nah I'm just gonna dream here, and complain, and annoy you

[frosty wadi]

The hating is wild this season

[unborn ravine]

It's always been wild

[frosty wadi]

Anyways fantastic season up ahead

[lunar hare]

That would be cool
One life for another

[frosty wadi]

Excited to try out new builds

[tiny oar]

it would be kinda stupid tho x)

[lethal sonnet]

D3 maybe closely imitated

Nomad not by a LONG shot

[unborn ravine]

Try out new builds now

Same same but different

[tiny oar]

wym ? unbreakable does the same, and any aok will too

[lunar hare]

But fun to use. A lot of reviver charges would make it easier

[frosty wadi]

You really just want to keep using the same gear and weapons for another year of content?

[tiny oar]

it def would be a problem in pvp tho

[lethal sonnet]

Yeah but the CDs

[tiny oar]

nomad has a cooldown too

[lethal sonnet]

Not for solo if ur lucky

[unborn ravine]

Been using the same gear and weapons for like 6 years now. So yes.

[lunar hare]

eh, just thinking of having fun when it'll never happen

[frosty wadi]

if

[tiny oar]

yeah but luck games are not great, and tbh it was broken to have endless lives

[frosty wadi]

Literally a you problem

[tiny oar]

10k stamina classified nomad were a plague in dz

[frosty wadi]

Striker isn’t going to be bad, a lot of weapons are fine, you can keep using your “meta”

[lethal sonnet]

I know it’s a game of luck but still better than guaranteed CD

[tiny oar]

why ?

[frosty wadi]

Unbreakable is such an easy talent to slap on

With just a minute cooldown

[unborn ravine]

What builds am I supposed to try? Please enlighten me.

[lethal sonnet]

Just don’t sleep on the luck factor

[tiny oar]

seeing how unlucky i am, i would def coma on it xd

[unborn ravine]

Specially when you hit 4 revives in a row

[frosty wadi]

You don’t want to even consider using imagination because you are upset your meta got nerfed

[tiny oar]

yeah it was so toxic and bullshit

[unborn ravine]

I never said what my meta was lol

I don't even use striker 😂

[frosty wadi]

You don’t need to, most of the bad changes affect only meta stuff

[lethal sonnet]

Like my 10k STA Blue T Immune Box Nomad?

[frosty wadi]

You shouldn’t be upset

[unborn ravine]

Thats my secret captain. I'm always upset

[unborn ravine]

But funny to use when it hit like that

[tiny oar]

funny for you, toxic for everyone else, so you understand why they didnt make it in div 2

i remember a whole server chasing a single guy on nomad

[lethal sonnet]

Just gotta love it

[tiny oar]

he never died, after a few hours, he just didnt die, only ran and shoot at people to keep rogue timer + stop them from leaving dz

people were getting super mad

[unborn ravine]

Well obviosuly yes. div1 had plenty of issues

[tiny oar]

yeah, nomad was not a good thing for the game, its VERY bad

for game health

you want people to enjoy the game, not be frustrated

[unborn ravine]

I forget what the sniper set was, but I liked using that

And aplha bridge

[tiny oar]

alpha classified was a meme

[unborn ravine]

Div 1 was a meme

A meme I enjoyed for 6000 hours

[tiny oar]

i dont think i played that much xd

i was too much traumatized by thoses shotgunners pre1.4

i still have nightmare about thoses

[agile pendant]

it had epic dz

with no rewards for griefers

[lethal sonnet]

The PvP one? That’s Deadeye

Or the pve Hunters Faith

[unborn ravine]

Yeahhhhh Dead Eye

So many long shots in the DZ and in last stand.

Was a good time.

[tiny oar]

what was the name of the endless waves in the pier ?

[lethal sonnet]

Resistance

[tiny oar]

ah yeah, i loved that mode

it was great

[lethal sonnet]

Nice to see a resistance enjoyer

I still play it from time to time

[tiny oar]

i especially loved the little room in the warehouse where you could retreat and spam heals

until mobs became basically unkillable

[lethal sonnet]

They are still killable in high waves if you have a sentry in squad

[tiny oar]

i dont remember, but they get super tanky at the end

even 4 of us shooting wasnt enough to kill them

[unborn ravine]

I only ever did resistence to like teir 10? as it wasn't worth going further or something.

[unique bramble]

LMB rusher: let us introduce ourselves

[tiny oar]

nah the worst were lmb grenadiers

with the pre stagger

[unborn ravine]

I thought rikers rushers were the worst

[tiny oar]

pre 1.4 they were

after, they were not a big threat

[unique bramble]

LMB rushers have shock grenade and their shotgun is kinda better than Riker's one

[tiny oar]

rushers are usually low hp anyway

easy to kill

except the cleaners cause they got the shield but still not that hard

[unique bramble]

Can you imagine a hunter rusher that only uses his axe like wright, but being a normal archetype instead of an incursion boss.

[unborn ravine]

Them was the hunters in the Underground

[lethal sonnet]

Melee does not discriminate in Div 1 lol

[tiny oar]

if he is as slow as wright im fine, if he is as fast as hunter, we ded xd

[lethal sonnet]

One elbow one kill

[frosty wadi]

So, sledge hammer enemies

Wright is scary, because you can’t damage and you HAVE to run

[unique bramble]

Well, outcast heavies are slow and can't dodge or use SHD tech (nameds are exceptions) so they would be worse I guess

[frosty wadi]

We can dodge them

And a hunters weakness is being up close, because it makes it easier to stop him from armor kiting up

Wright works because hes a unique boss

[azure lintel]

srsly where u got his fake info u cant damage hunter?

[frosty wadi]

Are you like, actually drunk or something

[azure lintel]

u are drunk

[kind veldt]

You know who wright is?

[lethal sonnet]

Lmao

[azure lintel]

omg here we go

2vs1

[unique bramble]

Funny how we say the enemies use armor kit when in reality they use health kit syringe which is faster.

[frosty wadi]

Well yea, if it was slower it would be easy to stop them

[unique bramble]

Considering they can EMP us for like 20s and they have millions more armor than us, I think that would be kinda fair

[frosty wadi]

Yes, because its a video game and they need to be more powerful

If they were as strong as us to the T, we’d stomp them into the ground

[unique bramble]

From a co-op perspective, yeah

[frosty wadi]

Hunters need to be strong, because they are the hardest enemy in the game

[unborn ravine]

Nah the dog at the end of the manhunt is the strongest enemy in the game

Or Keener is, since we killed him, but he didn't die.

[frosty wadi]

Unique boss so not counted

[azure lintel]

counted

u never faced chimera?

[frosty wadi]

Its a unique boss that will most likely never show up again and if it does will probably just be a one time thing

[lunar hare]

I don't wanna be spoiled about this manhunt, by-bye

[unique bramble]

You didn't finished?

[frosty wadi]

There’s truthfully not much to spoil but okay

[lunar hare]

Nope, I barely have time to go online :<

[nocturne frigate]

judiciary square has the worst map design ever

[lethal sonnet]

That seems like a rather subjective opinion

[nocturne frigate]

sorry

i mean the safehouse location sucks ass

like why tf is it located 10 feet away from one cp but 2 miles away from the other?

what kinda stupid ass map design is that

[lethal sonnet]

Is one of them not closer to any other locations that you can fast travel to?

Like another mission, DZ checkpoints etc.

[azure lintel]

Black Tusk Troop: "Sir, a guy with a 200 year old lever action rifle just killed hundreds of our men and dozens of our experimental unnamed combat drones, what should we do?"

Natalia "Just keep doing what you're doing, lol"

[lethal sonnet]

Is the new modified thingy going to be on per person basis? Like does it affect group play in PvE?

[nimble fox]

Yes

[hybrid ore]

Yep, unique to each person.

[nimble fox]

But if I’m in a group with you, it will be your modifiers. If I help you finish the journey, only you get the rewards

[hybrid ore]

See there's the thing, they said both sides, assuming you're right.
That it's individual, even in a group, but only the host gets it. And what you said, I assume.

[nimble fox]

I’m with you rivens, it sounded like that. I hope that’s not the case or everyone is gonna just be playing solo. I’m excited for it, except the nerfs to ceska, grupo, and obliterate. And wyvern too

[hybrid ore]

Eh, the meta has changed before. We certainly didn't start out with OP Striker at Lvl 40's release.

[nimble fox]

lol, very good point

[hybrid ore]

How the Modifiers work, interacting with each other, is honestly more interesting than the group mechanics,
But either way we'll get an answer when Phase 1 of the PTS goes live.

[agile pendant]

damn new exotic fal might be amazing

slow to proc talent but once going you can do insane dmg

also wtf are dev obsessed with swapping lmao

[ebon steeple]

to further push using more weapons

[kind veldt]

it's kinda like the season gimmick of rifles and handling we had in this one

and the other one with had with health upgrades and tnak gear set

[ebon steeple]

if it aint dps its mid unfortunately

[frosty wadi]

I think its funny how this season is more about rifles than last

[undone timber]

got rifles working with aces and its probably already better than breaking point

[frosty wadi]

Full auto rifles will practically turn aces into a new gearset

[frosty wadi]

What piece is the bonus of getting an extra card flip off headshot?

Too lazy to look it up

Chest right?

[undone timber]

backpack was extra card flip

[frosty wadi]

Ah

[undone timber]

chest is bigger amp

[frosty wadi]

Honestly the goal might just be chest and backpack

[undone timber]

actually no innately you flip another card on headshots

backpack was extra amp shot

[undone timber]

considering its a 20 percent bigger amp it might be

I imagine people will run it with pgc or something though

[kind veldt]

well it's gonna be great with M1A and 1886

[frosty wadi]

The higher mag rifles will be nice with enough weapon handling

[undone timber]

good thing you can get max rpm without ruining your fingers too

[frosty wadi]

I do wonder if rifles have a chance to actually become meta

[undone timber]

now that they have aces i can see them being pretty powerful

especially the spammy ones

[frosty wadi]

50% amp, combined with a gun thats already high damage

Enough damage will make up for the rpm loss an ar

[hybrid ore]

Full. Auto. Socom m1a.
I could cry, it's so beautiful.

[frosty wadi]

Gods fav child

[undone timber]

yeah cqb m1a could go really hard with some handling

[frosty wadi]

The m1a dropped from the heavens when we needed it most

Also the attachment buffs will be pretty huge for rifles

Get more handling from em

Im just so excited to see aces in action

[undone timber]

i wonder if theyre adding rifle damage to the bonuses too

[hybrid ore]

I bet that they intend to, but the 1st phase of the PTS might not have it.
So if that's even partially true: make sure you mention it in the PTS channels a LOT.

[keen hollow]

so on the mooncake project bounties, if the current objective was already done before the bounty was given, what do we do to earn the cosmetic item?

My bounty says I have to assume control of a control point that i'm already in control of...

[undone timber]

reset your control points

[keen hollow]

oh, neat, didn't realize you could do that

thanks

[undone timber]

[azure lintel]

Crane weapon skin is way too bright and doesnt match the outfit :*(

[dull cypress]

did they say what time PTS was going live?

[wispy burrow]

@lethal sonnet what I use is unbreakable dps with elmo, all red. Might help a bit better

[lethal sonnet]

It’s the decrease in CHC that I’m not particularly fond of

That obliterate nerf is also making me seriously consider glass cannon

[wispy burrow]

Ahh

[frosty wadi]

Just use striker chest piece

If you really need dps that badly

[lethal sonnet]

Nah im going to prioritize CHC

I have expt on most guns anyways

[frosty wadi]

?

So prioritize it on striker

Or use umbra, or use a non exotic gun and use crit chance mods

Like honestly its not that big of a deal

Do you really need that much dps

[undone timber]

8 percent less TWD isn't too serious

[frosty wadi]

Elmo losing 5% isn’t a big deal either

[lethal sonnet]

I was thinking just swap out a CHD mod for CHC

[wintry magnet]

In what district is the hotel infirmary control point is located?

[lethal sonnet]

Makes it only - 2.5 CHC and -17 CHD overall

[frosty wadi]

Wdym 2.5 and 12

[lethal sonnet]

Ceska - 3.5 Elmo - 5

[azure lintel]

judiciary square

[lethal sonnet]

• 6 from CHC mod

[frosty wadi]

This is some very backwards math

[lethal sonnet]

Oh and 17 percent CHD loss lol

[frosty wadi]

What even is the build you are using

[lethal sonnet]

Striker backpack + coyote + ceska obliterate 6 red + Elmo

All CHD mods

CC/CD = 52/173

[frosty wadi]

Lol you really don’t need more

You really don’t need to raise it

[lethal sonnet]

After this adjustment goes to 49.5/154

[frosty wadi]

Even then thats not bad

[lethal sonnet]

And take -8 weap damage from Ob into account

Best I could do

[frosty wadi]

Its still striker

Reminder that its still the best dps in the game

[undone timber]

If losing crit is this much of an issue just use negotiator's

[frosty wadi]

Or umbra

[wispy burrow]

Judicial square

[wintry magnet]

Thanks

[primal skiff]

Heyo i was just on reddit and aparently it seems i missed a vid of something from devs?

Is oro elmo scorpio getting a nerf??

[frosty wadi]

Yes

Elmo is getting nerfed to 60 rounds and -5% on its mods

I think -10% for the handling mod

Oreo is having 10 rounds removed and having its rpm brought down

[primal skiff]

God WHY is this a pvp or accross all place nerf?

[frosty wadi]

And scorpio is having it require more shots to trigger the effects

[primal skiff]

Arent those the 3 best guns in the game? Why do this to them

[lunar hare]

everywhere

[frosty wadi]

These are amazing changes, only bad one is oreo because its now kinda worthless because of its talent

[frosty wadi]

They were the best because they had overtuned stats and talents

[thick egret]

Damn theyre nerfing everything, I tried to make a pestilence build because i have like 10 sitting around and it just tickles purple enemies, tried my op broken old build and its even worse, it only works on countdown but just because everybody else is melting gods

[frosty wadi]

Scorpio was borderline cheating for years

[frosty wadi]

No, they aren’t

There are significantly more buffs than nerfs

[undone timber]

Eagle bearer my beloved

[frosty wadi]

Eb becomin a monster

[primal skiff]

Why is it good? Elmo is now 60 mag and i assume will no longer shoot like a lazer beam what -5% part got nerfed stability?

[frosty wadi]

I wondeif catharsis is now worth while to use on heartbreaker for pve

[undone timber]

Always used EB over Elmo now its even better let's go

[frosty wadi]

Elmo was good because it had overtuned stats

Its good that its getting nerfed

[undone timber]

Did they change catharsis or is it just cuz Hb damage is overtuned

[frosty wadi]

It was just a lazy fill in slot

[frosty wadi]

Catharsis got a small damage buff

[undone timber]

Oh damn

[primal skiff]

I mean why nerf it i get pvp sure may gef annoying but for pve? I farmed that gun i love that gun why touch it

[undone timber]

Too free

[frosty wadi]

Because it was lazy and people basically ignored all weapons because of its stats

[thick zephyr]

Why the nerf police didn't touch regulus?
So op in pvp

[frosty wadi]

Pvp is ass and forgettable

Thats why

[undone timber]

Regulus takes actual skill to use

[midnight lotus]

ouroboros is a horrible exotic that will die after the nerf because nobody cares about the talent

[primal skiff]

I kitted it out woth target out of cover and all man why

[undone timber]

Holy shit they nerfed ouro?

[midnight lotus]

if they actually cared they would rework the talent

[frosty wadi]

It got nuked

[primal skiff]

It needs a tallent swap yes a random status every 2nd mag sounds amazing

[undone timber]

How bad is it

[midnight lotus]

-mag -rpm iirc

[frosty wadi]

^

Ironically dark winter might be insane

[undone timber]

The killer buff is enticing

[midnight lotus]

dark winter meta

[frosty wadi]

Dark winter on kill is 90% damage now

[undone timber]

But it's still rng idk

[midnight lotus]

we are so back

[midnight lotus]

90% chd

[frosty wadi]

Sorry me forgot

[midnight lotus]

ngl i wish the optimal range attachments are more significant

[undone timber]

The chameleons wet dream

[midnight lotus]

currently i dont see a readon to use any of the attachments over crit stuff

[frosty wadi]

Blue screen got an attachment buff but no crit chance

[midnight lotus]

except mag buff,15 rounds vs 20 rounds -rl is interesting

[frosty wadi]

😢

[midnight lotus]

thats definitely attractive

[undone timber]

I wonder what would be more dps

[midnight lotus]

omega 556 is still a weird attachment ngl

[frosty wadi]

Chatterbox and backfire got large buffs

Backfire might actually be a really amazing gun now

[undone timber]

No way backfire might actually be usable

This timeline is insane

[midnight lotus]

like you’d want more stability for longer range combat
but it basically nullifies itself through falloff increase

[frosty wadi]

Basically the talent reaches max in half the time

[undone timber]

Bruh that's the one thing we wanted too

[midnight lotus]

i’d actually prefer if stacks decay over time but thats an ok change

still absolutely insane that 3rd attributes hasn’t been reworked

also chameleon got nothing

[frosty wadi]

Well

Cham buff but its worthless

[undone timber]

Breh

[frosty wadi]

10 less shots required on chest and legs

@undone timber how much do you know about the patch notes?

[lethal sonnet]

What’s the backfire buff?

I use a hazpro backfire striker too one of my fav

[frosty wadi]

Attachment buffs and the stacks of damage take less to reach max damage

[lethal sonnet]

Niceeeeeee

Finally some good news

[frosty wadi]

Its quite literally twice as good

[lethal sonnet]

Now if only they can extend the max damage buff time or change it to decaying

Then hazpro backfire +++

[frosty wadi]

I still think its a little weird that they buffed only the attachments on bluescreen

It was already good, it just didn’t have crit chance

[lethal sonnet]

Isn’t that like the least used exotic LMG

[frosty wadi]

Its the coolest lmg

Its really good to use and has a fun talent

[lethal sonnet]

Yeah but is it used more than BK, Pest and such

[frosty wadi]

BK is a joke even with its buff

Pest I don’t think got any changes

[lethal sonnet]

Casuals’ favorite

BK

[frosty wadi]

Bluescreen will probably play more like an ar at this point

[scarlet plume]

cant lie i have lots of fun with bk

[frosty wadi]

It got stat buffs

So it will be slightly more usable

[lethal sonnet]

Now I’m excited for backfire

But I need to readjust my hazpro build now that Ceska’s second is 20 hazpro

Switch one Hazpro roll to CHD IG

[kind veldt]

looks at the base gun changes, it went from 650 rof to 850 rof

[thick egret]

It did? Hell yeah, im currently running a run and gun chameleon build and it honestly destroys everything once you got it going

[frosty wadi]

Pest ain’t real

[frosty wadi]

I mean

The problem is, the buff doesn’t last long enough and you lack range

Its an smg classified as an ar

[thick egret]

Yeah thats why im running and gunning

[undone timber]

Read 1 and 2 but haven't seen 3 yet

[frosty wadi]

Rifles getting so much love this season

I can’t stop talking about them

I need more excuses to talk about rifles

[lethal sonnet]

Reduce rifle recoil then I play

[frosty wadi]

Weapon mods are all buffed and a lot of rifles are full auto

[lethal sonnet]

Kidding, I never use rifles, let alone know their recoil

[frosty wadi]

Rifles have high base damage so you can sacrifice crit chance

[lethal sonnet]

I’ve heard it’s not popular though

[frosty wadi]

Too late, rifle time

[frosty wadi]

Wdym not popular, its not out yet

[lethal sonnet]

I meant before

[frosty wadi]

Rifles are going to explode in popularity

[lethal sonnet]

Besides, auto Rav is something to look forward to

[frosty wadi]

Aces and eights might also be extremely good with rifles

[lethal sonnet]

Yeah didn’t they use to only work with MMR

[frosty wadi]

Yes

[lethal sonnet]

I heard long time ago rifle with boomerang was a thing too?

[frosty wadi]

Still is

[lethal sonnet]

I c

[frosty wadi]

Thing is rifles can use behind you

And behind you is getting buffed

[lethal sonnet]

My most used rifle besides Rav is Eternal Gaze and Harmony lol

[lethal sonnet]

Damage shooting at enemy’s back? Can’t recall

[frosty wadi]

If the enemy isn’t aggro on you, you do more damage

Its 30% amp damage now

[lethal sonnet]

Oh

But if your damage is higher won’t their aggro be on you?

[frosty wadi]

Stun based skills

Most notably banshee pulse

[lethal sonnet]

CCed enemies don’t have aggro on you?

Learned

[frosty wadi]

Also decoy

It’s extremely good with decoy

[lethal sonnet]

Ahh I see

With my playstyle though I’ve not been a fan of gun DPS dependent on skills

That’s just me tho

[frosty wadi]

Hence why people are upset about the meta weapons and striker getting nerfed

All the stuff that conveniently has no synergy

[lethal sonnet]

I’ve thought through already

Worse than before =/= not good anymore

[frosty wadi]

Yea

The only one thats kinda bad is oreo because the talent of the gun itself is bad

[lethal sonnet]

Oh well guess I gotta switch to chatter or banshee or some

At least for my sokolov hunter

[frosty wadi]

Dark winter has potential to replace oreo

Key word on potential

Its still an rng based talent

[lethal sonnet]

Banshee with fast hands win

[toxic anvil]

Hunter isn’t that great, it’s fun to use, but not great

I’m still gonna use the striker’s. IMO the best Gear Set in the game 🤙🏻

[frozen meadow]

its good on hhf

[frosty wadi]

You should like, use anything else

No balancing related reason for that one its just a lame gearset

[frozen meadow]

overrated for sure

[frosty wadi]

The most Ive used it for is for the incursion, not because I wanted to, but because its just objectively better than everything else

[lethal sonnet]

I only use hunter in solo with Memento

Group DPS still used striker

[frosty wadi]

Hunters fury is fine I guess

Never really liked it much

[frozen meadow]

hhf

[frosty wadi]

hhf?

[frozen meadow]

hhf

[lethal sonnet]

Headhunters fury

The one with Chainkiller and Regulus

[frosty wadi]

I pretend like regulus isn’t real

If I don’t see it, it doesn’t exist

[frozen meadow]

says the striker user

[frosty wadi]

Lol

About to be the worlds greatest aces glazer

Aces on top

[lethal sonnet]

I bet there will be some changes to the patch release soon

[frozen meadow]

im trying not to insult you but youre making this really difficult

[frosty wadi]

Lol

[frosty wadi]

Tbf, if they make changes it will most likely be with damage, and they would only do that if it over performs

So kinda a win win

Rifles need their comeback

[lethal sonnet]

Some people are going to be mad and start yelling

[frozen meadow]

idk whats going on in this game anymore

i have damn near no time to play

[kind veldt]

oh hi eve

[frozen meadow]

hi

[frosty wadi]

Big balancing patch, literally just project resolve but good

Meta got nerfed, lot of stuff got buffed, some stray stuff caught nerfs like the akm for some reason

[frozen meadow]

whats even meta anymore

striker got nerfed?

[elfin hazel]

strikers elmos and oro got nerfed

[frozen meadow]

how nerfed

[primal skiff]

My only gripe is elmo nerf

[frozen meadow]

meh it needed one

[kind veldt]

striker mild, elmo and oro a bit harsher

[frosty wadi]

Strikers semi minor nerf, oro and elmos got bug nerfs and scorpio got nuked

[primal skiff]

But i went to website but see ni notes where can i read full notes? I checked the channel here as well what did i miss out on

[elfin hazel]

https://trello.com/b/F2RU9ia9/the-division-2-known-issues

[primal skiff]

Thanks a lot

[frosty wadi]

Don’t forget scorpio

[elfin hazel]

top 3 cards on patches and updates

[frozen meadow]

so its losing handling thats it?

[kind veldt]

wackyest change is making rifles full auto

[elfin hazel]

I gotta read through them still

[stray rover]

EB still gonna be king, good

[kind veldt]

handling, crits, magazine size

[frozen meadow]

EB was never king lmao

[frosty wadi]

It is now

[kind veldt]

it was on release

[frozen meadow]

for like all of two months

[elfin hazel]

whatver the weapon you like using is king 🙂

[neon wyvern]

eb might have a chance with elmo being equalized

[frozen meadow]

EB talent is kinda shit for pve

[neon wyvern]

true

[kind veldt]

but they just nerfed AK and shotguns

[frosty wadi]

Eb now has crit chance

[elfin hazel]

ok but its real funny when you forget you use PGC

[frozen meadow]

talent still shit

[frosty wadi]

Rifles now have full auto and work with with aces and eights

[stray rover]

not for pvp it isn't

[frosty wadi]

Gun itself is good with great stats

[frozen meadow]

guess reading is still a skill in development

[frosty wadi]

And 60 round mag

[lethal sonnet]

I like EB’s damage reduction

[kind veldt]

of normal guns

[frozen meadow]

the handling is awful imo

[kind veldt]

AUG got a huge buff

[frosty wadi]

Its not that bad

[stray rover]

for you

[kind veldt]

damage, rof and magazine size i think

[frozen meadow]

thats... literally why i said imo

[kind veldt]

snipers just reverted back to before the last balancing patch

[frosty wadi]

Backfire and chatterbox got pretty large buffs

[frozen meadow]

like are you just not reading what im saying

[neon wyvern]

🐌

[kind veldt]

most SMGs got a buff, either damage or lowering damage but bigger rof boosts

[frozen meadow]

so would you say theres gonna be no more meta?

[kind veldt]

people will have to rediscover a meta

[primal skiff]

Wow oblitrate and picaros got oblitrated

[lethal sonnet]

Yes EB handling I didn’t like too

[stray rover]

strikers will still be strong

[frosty wadi]

Strikers is still good, but now the sandbox actually encourages you to use something else

[kind veldt]

kinda like how everyone stacked hollow man, fox and that other glove that gave armor damage

[neon wyvern]

lol no

1886 determined is gonna break the game tho

[kind veldt]

then they nerfed all 3 a bit and people calmed down and went to something else

[frozen meadow]

can we go back to the pre-WONY era 😞

[kind veldt]

nah

oh yeah

[neon wyvern]

most notable meta shift is scorpio is fricken dead

[kind veldt]

Aces work with rifles now

[frozen meadow]

shit was actually balanced back then

[frosty wadi]

Ive said this 😔

[primal skiff]

But what did picaro do wrong

[kind veldt]

too much

[frosty wadi]

Exist

[frozen meadow]

what did it do right

[primal skiff]

Why reduce that it was a good for hybrids

[kind veldt]

give free 15% weapon damage?

[frosty wadi]

It only exists for ninja bike bag

[frozen meadow]

free lmao

[primal skiff]

Yea i could tank and have damage

[kind veldt]

well over a secondary stat, it's pretty good

[stray rover]

devs don't know what they're doing, judging from the livestream it seems they don't play their games lol

[primal skiff]

Lol no not for me atleast

[frozen meadow]

thats funny

i need to post that quote on my wall

[frosty wadi]

This season has amazing balancing changes lol

[frozen meadow]

i think theyre trolling

[frosty wadi]

Im the biggest hater of this game yet I like this season

[kind veldt]

yannick died on challenging with seasonal modifiers on is the non hot take version

[frosty wadi]

Probably but Im stupid

Checkmate

[frozen meadow]

well they already replied to my messages failing to read them

[lethal sonnet]

Ngl but you are not hating this game enough if you still play it

[kind veldt]

it's clearly shaking the entire toy box os people dont fall into same habits

[frozen meadow]

so id say chances of trolling are fairly high

[primal skiff]

I love the 90% cd buff FINALLY

[frozen meadow]

so basically everything is getting nerfed?

[frosty wadi]

Because I like the game, I criticize the devs for being bad at balancing all the time

[primal skiff]

Oh pair with umbra gonna be legendary

[frosty wadi]

No actually

Its mostly buffs

[frozen meadow]

everything that isnt dogshit*

[kind veldt]

nah it's like 4 big nerfs to OP stuff and 60 buffs

[stray rover]

At least capacitor and umbra were not touched for pvp

[frozen meadow]

ok so i was right, cool

[primal skiff]

Main 3 exotics and meta stuff got nerfed

[lethal sonnet]

What they didn’t lock their health to full this time?

[primal skiff]

Pvp is ded

[frozen meadow]

are all the changes in some kind of patch note

[kind veldt]

3 pages

[frosty wadi]

Rifles are most likely going to be strong and there are potentially strong alternatives to elmos and oreo

[stray rover]

nah conflict is active

[frozen meadow]

are they on the ubi website somewhere

[kind veldt]

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