td2-general-chat

[midnight salmon]

i'm newbie

[rigid dew]

any1 having issues with ps5 edge controller on pc?

[primal skiff]

Finished DUA legendary on team if 4 at end screen it said we did -ve damage??

[small spear]

first time?

[primal skiff]

Yea

[small spear]

but yeah it's very common. it's just due to how high an integer can go in the game before it wraps back down to negative

[primal skiff]

Oh this is a overflow thing

[small spear]

for DUA you don't even need to do 4 man for it, solo is enough to make your damage go negative

yes it is integer overflow

[primal skiff]

I have so far been unable to do solo legendary

[small spear]

yeah don't worry about it, I'm just saying the solo HP total is enough to make it go negative

[heavy prism]

It's harder in group

[small spear]

💀

[heavy prism]

Sir my damage has never overflowed when I grouped with u

[small spear]

it's okay just use my shock striker build don't need no carry ggs xd

[primal skiff]

Alright i have about 12 exotic caches from variou sources lol

[small spear]

pls donate some to me

[primal skiff]

XD u probably have more stuff than me

I still dont have a momento and few other good weps

[small spear]

and yet i still need more components

I'm just kidding btw

[primal skiff]

U will always need more its about knowing when is it enough

[potent nest]

so are our main charecters gonna be useless when seasonal chars are out or whats the deal

[full zinc]

not enough information yet

[kind veldt]

they will explain later, not sure if it's later next week, or later one month from the actual update

[timber hatch]

Where's the "there's not enough information yet so I'm not going to overreact"?

[hallow trench]

Good point, ty!

[heavy prism]

Sir pls donate to the poor

[primal skiff]

BRO I FINALLY GOT IT MOMENTO AHHH

[modest lintel]

Survival mode for the whole season…no thank you

[iron gust]

I dunno if it's an overcharged descent talent rotation thing with things like striker and meta pieces not available it's DOA if all of that is available what's the point of regrinding everything?
They really need to explain this properly before any PTS, their first mistake was announcing it in a 5 minute video without giving us some examples

[potent nest]

Is the game still active

[dark matrix]

yes but it's still quite slow

[sonic halo]

worse countdown: 4 people disconnected

[bitter wraith]

What's the health of elite rc ta ks on legendary? Tired of getting bombed in 2 seconds

[opal radish]

I didn't know we can vote on discord

[pliant sentinel]

like glue is so fun

[undone timber]

It really is

Totally running it everywhere I can fit it

[pliant sentinel]

i be using it rn on my strikeres

[sonic halo]

farming for weapon mod part so tiresome

doing control point then chances spawn rogue agent more bothering me

[pliant sentinel]

what build u using

[sonic halo]

i have sniper hotshot HH

[pliant sentinel]

not too bad

[sonic halo]

yeah its boring to farm 100+ blueprint

[pliant sentinel]

im farming pass rn and its getting boring

no rogues spawn tho, even tho i wanna farm rogues

[sonic halo]

rogue agent spawn on control point 3

[undone timber]

Consider it an XP farm first and a blueprint farm second

[sonic halo]

or 4

[undone timber]

Even if you ain't getting the stuff you want that SHD is going all the way up

[pliant sentinel]

im doing cp4s with 4 directives

[sonic halo]

not always, there's chances

[pliant sentinel]

whole map is almost green and the only rogues i see are looting a walmart

[sonic halo]

everytime i capture cp3 then have reset again every 10 second

[smoky pawn]

Control points will do both

Farm the choke and reset after each clear, fastest method, although wait until xp is fixed

[sonic halo]

that's what im doing

[smoky pawn]

Fastest method, challenging with all directives

[sonic halo]

the choke control point, using sniper hotshot killing and capture, rinse repeat

im not looking exp farm but weapon mod parts

literally like only that method :/

[pliant sentinel]

choke is aight but i feel like nest is quicker

[sonic halo]

i don't see the nest

it is in new york?

[pliant sentinel]

i just closed the game LMAO

[bitter wraith]

Ah yes because having stacks mean I only get a 1.1 mil shot when it should've been 18 mil

DUA is pointless

[undone timber]

Fairly certain it's in DC

[sonic halo]

i don't see the nest control point

[pliant sentinel]

do u know where the haunted house cp is

[sonic halo]

nvm i found it

[pliant sentinel]

yup

if u set up to the right side behind the wall u get every enemy in view

[sonic halo]

i know that area, has mounted minigun

but i don't feel safe going there when Rogue agent spawning

[pliant sentinel]

hunter does nothing to u

oh rogues

[sonic halo]

woops hunter in dz

rogue in lz

[undone timber]

Rogue agents aren't particularly common

Besides free loot

[sonic halo]

i hate chances spawn

it drop only high end stuff and wasting my time

[pliant sentinel]

ngl i farmed from lvl 1-70 on cp4s today and ive seen literally no rogues spawns afters cp clears

[hybrid ore]

The good thing about Rogues is that they scale to +1 your group size, so solo you'll only ever fight 2.

[undone timber]

If you don't need it donate it

Every little helps

[sonic halo]

have to sort item out for that

[undone timber]

Or extract them if they're max rolled

[sonic halo]

i have not a lot max stats in library

[undone timber]

No you just mark as junk and donate all junk

[sonic halo]

aight

donate to expertise?

[pliant sentinel]

yes expertise

just mark em all as junk then donate it

[torpid tendon]

Idk, does rogue agents has their own difficulty? I mean, I was shepherding in hard difficulty and felt like they're too sponge.

[hybrid ore]

Easiest way to deal with too much loot from farming:

1. clear out your inventory beforehand. There's no reason for it to be anywhere close to even 50.
2. follow this method: Keep if needed > Recal Library > Expertise > Junk > Sell.

[sonic halo]

rogue agent are the sponges

wydm 50? 50 items?

[undone timber]

They're named enemies so a little tougher

Not excessively though

[sonic halo]

AI rogue agent is annoying

[pliant sentinel]

theyre fun af

[hybrid ore]

You'll learn how to deal with them eventually.

just a matter of practice.

[pliant sentinel]

maybe not hotshot build cause u need determined proc

[hollow hill]

Nemesis works flawlessly 🔥

[sonic halo]

it took like 5-8 shot or more to kill them

and i can't shoot them when they throwing their toy at me

[undone timber]

I run a dread edict build these days for farming so it's just a matter of spamming their head

[sonic halo]

at the choke i go high ground, last time i died by incinerate turret on low ground

[torpid tendon]

Dunno, I usually run healer when shepherding new players. But this time I was running striker but I wasn't expecting that hp.

[undone timber]

Could just be group scaling

[sonic halo]

remember running 3 player total then having like 4-6 rogue agents

and the health bar glitching out

[hybrid ore]

4 Rogues if there were 3 players.

[pliant sentinel]

max is 5 rogues

[hybrid ore]

it's always +1 to your group size,

same as Hunters on Floor 100. (now)

[sonic halo]

last run i use oxi and sticky bomb build take while to kill 2 agent

[torpid tendon]

I remember getting 5 rogues after 2 convoys (possibly 1 elite) in a single cp

That was a memorable session

[sonic halo]

did you got fucked?

[hybrid ore]

We like to refer to those as a "clustertruck". Good times.

[torpid tendon]

Nope, we beat them

[undone timber]

XP city

[hybrid ore]

It's like when you come across a battle between 3 NPC factions and a group of JTF and then just watch the chaos.

[sonic halo]

you where in group?

[torpid tendon]

Ya it was in ny

[pliant sentinel]

i love getting convoy, supply, patrol, and cp4 aggro all at once

and open world rogues

[torpid tendon]

We were 4

[sonic halo]

i like to see group faction war

play choke cp3 repeatedly there true son spawn flank at my sides

like one guarding, roaming

or random elite heavily armored GL and some allies

near the choke

[lucid solar]

Do you only get cards from named open world enemies?

[hybrid ore]

Pretty much yeah, and they spawn every 30 minutes.
same rate as Rogues in Summit actually.

[lucid solar]

Damn alright thanks

Trying to get the plat

[shell spire]

In all seriousness, so do I. The absolute chaos is pretty fun.

[torpid tendon]

Btw, can you still get stalked by hunters after getting all their masks? I believe it only happened to me once solo, but when I was doing some bounties with randoms they appeared twice in a row.

[undone timber]

stalker hunters are always there I believe they're just rare to come by

[hybrid ore]

^

[torpid tendon]

I got all from dc*

[lucid solar]

That’s pretty cool

I didn’t know what

[shell spire]

I never see them 😔

[lucid solar]

So you have to have all the masks?

[shell spire]

I’ll hear the music for a bit sometimes, but that’s it

Yeah all masks

[undone timber]

yeah occasionally your HUD will flicker and you can catch a glimpse if you look hard enough

once you get close they poof though

[lucid solar]

Looks like I need to grind the masks too

[undone timber]

if you can oneshot them they drop a high end lol

[torpid tendon]

Yeah, they spawned in a smoke cloud a top of a building

[hybrid ore]

There is no correlation between getting the masks and seeing those Hunters.

[torpid tendon]

Twice

[undone timber]

nah totally random

all masks is for the chests

[shell spire]

Sorry meant I have them all, thought that was the question.

[undone timber]

also maybe the hunter axe trophy I don't remember where I got it

[torpid tendon]

All dc hunters reward

[undone timber]

ah

[hybrid ore]

The one with blood on it is from a seasonal event of some sort, but the other one is yeah, from that.

[shell spire]

Is it still true you need to do a regular DC run without the skip to WONy to get the bounty trophy? Only thing I’m missing

And I’ve done sooooo many bounties this point

[undone timber]

from the description I assume you just launch a bounty from each safehouse

[shell spire]

You’d think 😂

[undone timber]

via the bounty board though

[lucid solar]

Yeah I don’t think you can do it from the menu

[shell spire]

I’m 99.99999999% sure I’ve done that. I gave up on it a long time ago after trying and reading it was bugged

[wheat zinc]

I think the way it worked for me was that I had to do all of the area bounty bosses when they came up. After doing so many projects and whatnot for the area. Again, it’s been a while.

[dark matrix]

yeah I think they should have doubled down on more relevant content

not basically recycling, at least somehow made better

[crimson wraith]

I begin the game lol any know french discord servers for this game

[bitter wraith]

Thought I had double crit gloves

Guess time to farm again

[hybrid ore]

3 BTSU gloves from 3 Exotic Caches.
the game is telling me something.

[undone timber]

time to don future initiative

[hallow trench]

Never know, maybe ubisoft will listen to us for once 🤣 ... vote in my poll and if it gets enough traction maybe they'll listen. Worth a shot, and I feel your pain man. 🤜 🤛

[sonic halo]

be hivemind the game said?

[candid arch]

Is the team responsible for Trello board kidding? They put here on Discord in news message "The Information Board has been updated with the latest issues", yet still no mention about the ammo bug? Or Bullet King bug?

[timber hatch]

What bugs are those?

[sterile scaffold]

no mention of ISAC being a POS wristwatch in bug fixes
Unfortunate

[loud storm]

Wish the remove the weapon dmg choices on spec tree and just make it 1 15% dmg so we dont get limited by only 3.... but then again the amount of stuff that needs fixing already it probably never happens

[sterile scaffold]

It would be nice to just be given a flat bonus damage across the board from it yeah

[hybrid ore]

The team has hinted at a full spec tree rework, I assume that it's coming with the DLC if at all.

[dark matrix]

separate from the one that got canned?

[timber hatch]

They've mentioned that after they announced the spec rework was cancelled?

[loud storm]

Cus i like ar/mmr/shotguns/lmg and smg and prefer gunnner spec so now i rarely use lmg/smg because of this

[hybrid ore]

"delayed until further notice" i believe was closer to the wording.

The team are clearly aware that the Spec Tree's need looking at but like, a lot of other stuff does more urgently.

[dark matrix]

hope they had more manpower

it's all so slow

[loud storm]

Or just make it possible to select all of em and having to get the points for it to do so im totally fine with

[kind veldt]

spec rework as far as i remember got canned in favour of new endgame rework

[loud storm]

Yea thats how i remember it aswell. But thinking to just increase the amount of points able to use per spec should not be to hard (but then again i have no real idea and simple things often turn weird here)

[shell spire]

I’d rather a flat weapon buff or remove it. Changing loadouts on the fly is nice, I’m not going back to the White House to change the weapon type buff.

[loud storm]

Exactly, i would use alot more different guns if the all had the same 15% dmg increase and didnt require me to manually swap em cus on other build i might need the swapped away dmg.... so i hope i will happen in not to long

[vital aspen]

At Kent/Expedition, do you only get the daily loot at Mastery?

[verbal garnet]

in warlord of newyork

by financial disctrict is there a charging bull

like the one irl

landmark inaway

[hybrid ore]

If it's missing then it might be copyrighted, like how the cop cars say the wrong acronym and the CDC is the DCD in Washington.

there's actually a few bulls around the world, fun fact. The one near me is in Sydney.

[verbal garnet]

damn, the charging bull is such a staple there tho, like im at where it should be but idk if it got moved etc for lore cuz the hurricane

[hybrid ore]

It doesn't appear to be halfway through a building, so it's unlikely it was moved.
trademarks gonna trademark. You do what you can.

[loud crane]

Does std div2 WONY edition come with level 30 upgrade like the div 2 WONY Ultimate does?

[vital aspen]

Yes

[lilac cairn]

So I think the fragile armor might be bugged, although this was happening before the latest update. The stacks of reduced armor get removed when I get downed, but don't always disappear when I use an armor kit to remove them, as stated in the description of the directive. Not sure what to make of this, unless I'm wrong.

[real moth]

Yea, it's been bugged for years

[azure lintel]

what a fucking nightmare day i got

[coarse trench]

it aint easy being rogue

[azure lintel]

for myself is easy

[lilac cairn]

Rogue life is hard

[azure lintel]

that my life is hard being rogue

[coarse trench]

its not easy being green.

its not easy being the color of the leaves...

[lilac cairn]

That's why I'm blue

[azure lintel]

and not easy decided ur next life

[lilac cairn]

In my next life, I'm going to be a toaster

[azure lintel]

and ur wish is become?

[coarse trench]

you can make toast now, we can do that so all humans can be toasters.

[lilac cairn]

That's crazy talk

[coarse trench]

?

[azure lintel]

damm randomly got merciless drop

[coarse trench]

I wonder if the Dev's are going to respond to the community about seasonal characters?

[coarse trench]

been using that recently not bad with the new gear and brand set along with the ninja bike.

[azure lintel]

and got ninja kneepad

hard life and lucky drops

[kind veldt]

something something twitter post about communication later is what they said

[whole flame]

I really hope they see the backlash on seasonal characters

When seasonal content is not new content.

[fiery cloud]

Hope everyone's having a great weekend gaming

[whole flame]

Re experiencing something for little to no gain in a progression based system is a waste of time.

[wide oak]

dumb kids everywere omg

[rare vapor]

[wide oak]

is there anyone here 25+ want to play i need help with hunters tnx

[rare vapor]

why 25+? Is that an age preference?

[wide oak]

yes

[fiery cloud]

Hey Sniper.Wolf

[rare vapor]

Hey Saph

[azure lintel]

hellau wolf

[odd totem]

How do I get the wrapped mask?

[azure lintel]

buy it

[odd totem]

Ahh got it

[azure lintel]

from store

19.99 euro if thats ur value is

[coarse trench]

oh thanks, I hadn't checked if they even mentioned it.

[coarse trench]

I would be fine not using my main character, having to go from 1 to 40, fine ( as long as i can use my builds from my other characters or stash once i get to 40 )

[lilac cairn]

Dread edict, good or bad? Got one today

[kind veldt]

decent

very stable and can stack up lots of bonus armor and not have to reload if you can hit your shots often, not a hard hitter

since meta for snipers is hotshot + determined for easy one shot builds that just hit teh body, the gun is not popular

[unreal crystal]

Bugs and crashes are back. Crashed twice today at the end of Manning Zoo in legendary when the boss spawn. This is ridiculous, I've spent 4 hours for nothing. Group server is not reachable. F' you Massive, and all the rookies over there in Romania, and Ubisoft as well! I'm sick of this BS 🖕

[low plank]

is the ''See No Evil'' head apperal still available ingame?

[hybrid ore]

If you can't buy it from the store by itself, then you'll likely have to wait for the bundle to return/the item to be individually added.
From what I recall, it's not there by itself but I'm only like 80% sure.

[azure lintel]

i guess its limited?

or event

[hybrid ore]

The bundles are time-limited yeah.
If it helps, the free stuff you get from the Apparel Events often ouclasses most of the cosmetics from the Store anyway.

[azure lintel]

same goes with limited outfits?

[hybrid ore]

Yep, same rules as the store bundles.
Anything fancy worth real money is time-gated.

play a while and you'll get enough Textiles to buy a lot from the store for free, you can make some pretty great outfits with even just the appearance mods on your gear.

[shut basin]

@hallow trench - where is your poll? I'll vote on it. This seasonal character concept is insane.

[azure lintel]

well if u lucky u can get but if i like i missed then its over gg

[hybrid ore]

@tropic star You're looking for #lfg-td2incursion-pc
Good luck Agent

[azure lintel]

Rivens how ur day was today?

[shut basin]

To anyone from Massive or Ubisoft that may be reading this forum, if you are done creating new content for my main characters (lvl 40) then I'm done playing this game. It's that simple. I've got 4,600 hours in this game, SHD Level 14275, top 1% in all the stats except PVP and all that will be for nothing if the only way to play new content is to start a character at level 1 and raise them up. I hope Red Storm and the Division 3 team are smarter than this!

[lunar hare]

Yeah, no, they don't give a (...) on what's going on in here

[hybrid ore]

been alright, Rogue, been alright overall.

[umbral kite]

is there a way to access expertise levelling for your current equipped gear like opening the tinkering menu, i find that annoying to have to go to the expertise menu and look for your gear everytime

[sullen canyon]

did they patch the max role thing?

[hybrid ore]

@sullen canyon No patches since the main one as of now, they don't tend to roll out single-issue ones unless they're massively game breaking.
Big rolls for newbies is probably not "game breaking".

[sullen canyon]

works

[hallow trench]

Going to try this to see if it will pull it down... but its here @shut basin

[white mountain]

Holy moly! a shotgun that slows enemy movement speed??? hooray! they were so fast to begin with!

[twilit karma]

Div1 Seeker gearset.... 🙂

[white mountain]

give us B.L.I.N.D

[frigid arch]

Whats the fastest way to get the D50 to craft the exotic pistol. Or is there no quick way?

[grave fox]

countdown on target loot pistol

[half sundial]

des français ?

[thick osprey]

this stuttering is debilitating

[kind veldt]

Man i miss BLIND

[zinc shadow]

B.L.I.N.D>Banshee's Shadow

[loud storm]

Classified lone star with double big all.... that was fun

[azure lintel]

banshee best one of the best outfit too

[white mountain]

banned

[unique bramble]

I miss taking a lot of bullets without dying with a 10k stamina classified nomad

[devout plaza]

hi all did I noticed correctly that control points are broken after last patch? still keeping resetting when log out from game

[atomic bough]

Yup

[devout plaza]

nice 😦

[atomic bough]

Are you trying to get the backpack trophy or something?

[bitter wraith]

Why does close to max expertise.on a build cost 195 exotics ☠️

[lilac cairn]

How do you even increase expertise level? I currently over have 3 levels..

[lunar hare]

By getting gear Proficient

[atomic bough]

You donate pieces of the brand/weapon in expertise, or you use said pieces and gain experience that way. So if you aren't hurting for materials, you can donate your junk toward expertise.

After you become "proficient" in each category/type/etc it is maxed, allowing you to now add expertise bonuses toward the proficient piece.

The expertise bonus requires materials for each level (cost and type of materials increases or changes the higher the bonus).

Currently for you, you can only add a bonus 3 times with things you are proficuent with, as per your expertise level. (There will be a shielded star on the pieces you are proficient with) So for me, I can currently only get a 14% since I have expertise lvl 14.

[hybrid ore]

It used to be double.

[near stream]

yo guys i see this apparel some people have that looks like a towel all over their body or some kinda loose hanging cloth

its black and stuff, was wondering what it was an how to get it

[hybrid ore]

You might mean the Recruiter Outfit, which is not currently available and was real-money only.

it has a kinda poncho thing.

[lilac cairn]

Okay, anything I have upgraded so far has a shield with a 3, so 3%. I'm starting to donate things more instead of dismantling everything for materials, although I do need polycarbonate again

[lunar hare]

What's your shd lvl atm? If you're below 1.2k you shouldn't be focusing on Expertise that much.

[hybrid ore]

A good way to look at loot once you reach Lvl 40 is this:
Keep if good > Donate to Library > Donate to Expertise > Junk for scrap > Sell for credits.

[lilac cairn]

Shd 252

[near stream]

yea it looks like that, sad it was money only 😦

[lilac cairn]

My library is close to done, and I primarily junk for scrap. I've only upgraded the guns I use the most to level 3, that's about it

[atomic bough]

What Riven laid out is the good approach to it. I would only add deconstruct pieces when you start to need some more materials. Just do it as you need really. Expertise is meant for late late game honestly due to the costs to upgrade at higher levels.

Like I'm at 14, but I have only bothered going up to like level 10 or 12. When it starts asking for exotic components, I pause to level it up, unless I am upgrading pieces/builds that are truly complete for me.

[lunar hare]

Sorry to interrupt. Does anyone else have this issue where you can't go back to NY when fast traveling to DC at lvl30?

[lilac cairn]

@atomic bough Makes sense, I'm probably just going to build up materials, complete the library, and make sure I have credits in the bank. I will revisit expertise at a later date. Thanks for all the info!

[bitter wraith]

I would simply die from insanity

[sour void]

Had this idea for a rocket variant of the drone:

• When deployed, the drone will follow you and open fire at any nearby target with miniature rockets that can cause bleeding.
• The drone will crash into a nearby target and explode once it expires or is canceled by the user.

[lilac cairn]

How about a seeker mine you throw like a baseball pitcher that kills anything instantly

[sour void]

Isn't that just called an impact grenade?

[lilac cairn]

Call it something cooler

[sour void]

If you insist...

[sour void]

Hyper-Velocity Seeker Mine

[lilac cairn]

Good enough

[sour void]

Previous candidate was Rocket-Assisted Seeker Mine, but that wouldn't mesh with the existing designs.

[full zinc]

if costs were never reduced, that would be close to the exo cost for 1 item maxed

gear not worth the upgrades. just some weapons and skills that are used a ton

[bitter wraith]

ceases to exist

[long glen]

Have they nerfed the XP on ALL missions since the update? It seems that going from 30 - 40 takes a hell of a lot longer now.

[hollow hill]

Had that today, but a logout and login fixed it... Ik why you're doing WONY by the way 👀

[lunar hare]

wink wink

[lilac cairn]

Project XP was definitely cut, as both the summit and donation project used to give a levels worth of xp each (700k).

[hot wigeon]

Can anyone help me with the General Anderson mission?

[full zinc]

gonna want to use #lfg-pc to find groups

[hot wigeon]

Lmao I realized that after I sent it. 🤣

[full zinc]

all good, a lot of times people dont realize

also try backup calls in game, usually people trying to level shepherd rank so pretty active

[hot wigeon]

Okay I have but I’ll keep trying thanks @full zinc

[nocturne frigate]

anyone know where to farm carbon fiber?

[wispy burrow]

BT areas/control points

[nocturne frigate]

thanks

[wispy burrow]

And inclvaded missions

[nocturne frigate]

im running low on carbon fiber lol

[wispy burrow]

Lmao same I need to get more for the free cache

[oblique bluff]

I'm having trouble with this current manhunt, where are these breadcrumbs ANNA is yapping about?

[wise basalt]

@oblique bluff I can help out, but using a mule. Already did manhunt on main.

[oblique bluff]

I just looking for an explanation really, not used to having anna in my ear

[kind veldt]

stupid question, does ravenous shoot twice per click so it counts as two hits?

[small spear]

it counts as 2 yeah

[kind veldt]

guess thats one way to not make the new rifle gear set shit

[arctic verge]

Everyone German here?

[atomic bough]

Nein

[kind veldt]

n

[heady bramble]

Anyone finding their control points keep getting reset on logging out of the game or playing descent?

[dapper lark]

apparently a known bug on the trello

[heady bramble]

Ahh thanks for that

What a pain in the bum

[lunar hare]

I actually love this for cp farming atm

[heady bramble]

I hate it cause it means I have to keep doing metro ruins and god I hate that

Its such an annoying control point

[pliant sentinel]

ahd farming or

blueprints farming

[heady bramble]

no more blueprints to farm :S

[pliant sentinel]

so shd farming

shd farming thats a positive, cause u can just log out and log back in

i still find reset cp faster tho

[median mantle]

Guys can someone help level a mule character pls

In dc

[vernal stream]

So now if we craft on a new character we will get ban cause Massive made a mistake with the crafting god roll station?

[undone timber]

I severely doubt bans will be handed out

[pliant sentinel]

definitely not, its not game breaking

[undone timber]

It's literally unavoidable if you wanna get anywhere with a new character

[pliant sentinel]

u literally get the same gear from farming heroic - legendary anyway

unless u want godroll improvised gear then

[vernal stream]

People uses it mostly for mods apparently

[pliant sentinel]

its ok

u can get godroll mods from countdown etc anyways

I wasn't farming mods and i got 12% chd the other day

(then God smited me out of the servers cause of my luck)

[knotty charm]

I'm really feeling stupid. Do I just create a new character to play the seasons? I don't see an option to select seasonal character at the character selection screen.

[dapper lark]

its not out yet, next season

[knotty charm]

I thought that was June 11

Cool. Thanks.

[pliant sentinel]

judging by how much ppl hated it idk if they will implement it

but we'll see

[knotty charm]

I bought it so 🤞

[pliant sentinel]

i think u bought the current season

season 2.0 with the seasonal characters isnt here yet

[tropic hazel]

does anyone really play the game anymore? i just got it for pc and level 22 and looking for people to play with

[lunar hare]

Yes, we still play this infinite grind game

[azure lintel]

This is our destiny

[blazing sleet]

apj servers are always full btw

[hoary seal]

Any cool rifle build with the new set?

[clever pike]

i need help with a mission

[safe anchor]

inasion still is broken?

*invasion

[rare vapor]

Game crashes when whispering? odd bug

[tropic hazel]

apj?

[mental silo]

when will the inspecting users be fixed all i see currently is black page

[rare vapor]

not a priority i guess

[green patrol]

Its hard to start over when you have everything on pc had to switch to ps5. Rip

[mental silo]

a really cool thing they could do for open world pvp is take a look at sniper elite 5 and you know that invasion where a real player can join the game while your doing a control point or mission or bounty or anything open world and you kill them you gain some loot and exp but if they kill you it makes you restart the mission to checkpoint note this option can be disabled for them who don't want to interact with pvp but be something cool and new to division 2

if not then they could add more incursions with new raids or new countdown type of game modes or even take some from div 1 and revamp them for div 2 be even better if we could change the difficulty level from normal to heroic or legendary or harder for them who do like a challenge normal has never been hard to do

[green patrol]

Yeah its just a grind maybe when I finish the episodes on destiny 2 will get back to it just switching and all my gear and all tha tis on pc. its annoying I love divison too just grind.

too many grind games at once XD

Did they ever allow crossplay i thought they did once upon a time long time ago on d1 /d2 or was it a fever dream

[mental silo]

you know crossplay sounds really cool where your able to play with consoles great idea but take it into pvp and thats where all the problems starts consoles get aim assit right so that right there is never tuned corecly its always buffed to high hell meaning you could close your eyes one handing tapping aim and tapping trigger to shoot great way to abuse a built in aimbot then say your a pc player sure pc has better aim with practice so then the console users will also get upset so its kinda of a 50/50 battle depening on the players skill

but if its pve only then thats cool so it wont matter

[median mantle]

Anyone wanna help me

Leveling a mule

[devout valley]

Anyone know why I only got the stinger lmg and nothin else for referral im the veteran.

[low plank]

Should I contact support if I didn’t receive the rewards on twitch for watching Ubisoft forward? It showed that I watched long enough but nothing received

[lunar hare]

Did you already claim your stuff at your Twitch drops inventory and did you link your Ubisoft account to Twitch?

[zinc shadow]

punctuation, i beg

[azure lintel]

Hey yall

[inner elbow]

Facts

[vague iris]

You know, that would actually be pretty cool.

[cyan narwhal]

that would turn into disaster pretty fast. experienced players wont let u even stand a second. if cheater joined the session good luck finishing the mission. frustration and rage quit.

[zinc shadow]

that’s how invasions work in any game with them lol

[sonic halo]

so like control point in dark zone

[kind veldt]

Surprisingly in sniper elite is quite fun

But very limited

Doesnt work here

Also want to say

8/10 timez iy becomes a CQC fest instead of sniping

[modern scarab]

hello
im downloading this game after 2 years
lets see how it has changged

[stuck leaf]

anyone here that is able to help me and a friend in the summit stage 100?

[cloud sinew]

Div2 is currently on sale ( Steam )

[prime sun]

Anyone know if the removal of the special ammo directive in the open world and missions was intended or a bug
Because it only seems to show up in the summit

Unknown about raids or incursion or anything pvp

[timber hatch]

the directives in open world rotate each season, but summit allows them all to be activated

[prime sun]

Ah thank you

[azure lintel]

expect bugs in s6 update

[frigid arch]

Any fast way to get the coyotes mask or is countdown the way to go?

[kind veldt]

countdown with mask targetted loot

[stark heron]

Or just run Jefferson Trade Plaza on heroic

Pretty sure its one of those exotics that you can't get dropping anywhere else unless you've gotten it already

[undone timber]

Jefferson isn't a good farm for coyote without mask TL

Only project exotics and raid/incursion/leg exotics are exclusive

[stark heron]

I mean you can just run it with a squad

[undone timber]

It's 5 percent chance once per run it's ehh

[stark heron]

Also I've seen countless exotic mask drops, none have been the coyotes except once from JTC so ig I'm just unlucky

[stark heron]

Thought it was 7% on heroic, I'm defo wrong ig

Its pretty low anyways, so many times you'll probably just get Merciless instead

[frozen holly]

Its 7% on heroic, not 5.

Well, its seems low, but i got 4 masks in my 7 runs. Call it a luck or something.

But imho its good to run there and get coyotes. 👍

[stark heron]

I ran it so many times on squad heroic but only got the drop playing it solo on challenging

This was before I actually bothered getting an Optimise DTTOC FAMAS and a Grupo Obliterate

Hence why I didn't play solo heroic then

Im like shd 500 now so heroic feels more approachable

[frozen holly]

Oh, right. Thats fair.

[stark heron]

I just hate how specialisation points are char specific

[frozen holly]

So, countdown with tl mask is a good option too.

[stark heron]

I've not actually stepped into countdown

Never felt the need to

The irony considering I've literally done DH on discovery and got the Console Record for a little bit

[frozen holly]

Comparing countdown to raids like dh or ih is a bit off.

[stark heron]

Very true

They might both be 8 player modes but countdown is just different

[frozen holly]

Its pretty pleasant if players are doing their part and you'll get tons of loot. Trust me.

[stark heron]

I've never bothered cause of loot organisation

[frozen holly]

CD is very good for that. :)

[stark heron]

Ironic considering I have like 2 mules

[frigid arch]

Since i can only change the atribute of one slot, would i have to keep farming to find the exact atributes i want? Cause it always just says this slot cannot be recalibrated, its a high end so im guessing thats why

[kind veldt]

what are you trying to recal? cause if it's named item then you cant recall it's special roll

[frigid arch]

im tryna have a full crit armor plate

but im not having much luck at getting crit stats on them when farming

should i target loot plates instead of an actual brand?

[broken solstice]

no stick w the brand

there are too many other brands that will drop if you just pick chests TL. theres only 6 gear pieces that can drop if u stick w brand or gear set

[kind veldt]

the second attribute is more likely to be the same colord as the main attribute

so it's not guaranteed

[frigid arch]

hmmm. tryna create a st. elmos build so im looking for as much crit as i can

[broken solstice]

keep going. you'll get it eventually. usually i get the stuff i want when im not looking for it though. so i find it easier just to play for fun and xp rather than thinking about a specific gear piece i want cuz that gets frustrating fast. are you doing countdown?

[hallow trench]

Bump for the daily votes, let Ubisoft know how we feel.

[frigid arch]

yes

[low plank]

Yea I did. But didn't show up ingame

[vital aspen]

How do I kill Spitfire and Kin in Keny?

[kind veldt]

Need to use fire damage, if it is who i think it is

[zinc garnet]

i am playing division 2, got to lvl 24 or something. then i couldn't find a horde mode so started division 1 again. Any fresh players here who transitioning

[vital aspen]

So I never did Expedition before, it’s really cool!! When/how often is it open as it fcloses again in a few days?

[kind veldt]

stays open for a week then closes for two i think

[inner elbow]

yes

[nimble pike]

Hello, everybody. Did someone know why we became no Arm Patches anymore for defeating Loop 10/20/30/40 in The Descent?

[tropic breach]

Countdown still the same right? when queuing, youre queing global? with or without the new season update?

[kind veldt]

pretty much

[stark heron]

Is "Like Glue" a good Named Shotgun

Perfect Brazen

I've heard this talent is pretty good

[opal radish]

Yeah very good shotgun totally worth it

[kind veldt]

it's brand new

but talent is pretty much free extra amp damage

[stark heron]

I just happened to get it from a random enemy

At least we actually have viable Named Shotguns now

[alpine geyser]

Fellas

[outer arrow]

new player question: do legacy manhunts actually explain all the story detail or I need to watch some youtube vid for that

[stark heron]

You'd have to find the comms

[tardy goblet]

go watch youtube

[outer arrow]

thx

[kind veldt]

send off is a funny shotgun, has the range but none of the accuracy, so it's a + that just doesnt work

well rock 'n roll is also pretty fun for a named shotgun

mop is actually quite good

both boomsticks are just okay

[frozen meadow]

.

[stark heron]

RocknRoll works if the ammo bug gets fixed

Which probably won't until Brooklyn

I'm not that optimistic over a bug thats returned countless times

[wise basalt]

great so there's a bug where game crashes if you type in chat, smh

[azure lintel]

then u do whisper yes

[minor silo]

Are the servers down rn?

[blissful sapphire]

rock n roll my beloved

[full zinc]

Lefty more useful, and gives an extra mod slot

[kind veldt]

oh yeah lefty

i knew i was missing more

lefty legit useful

[light wren]

why is countdown so scuffed now, i cant get in a single lobby where everyone doesnt leave

[kind veldt]

connection issues i guess

[craggy ridge]

Gotta question about momento, when multiple people run it are the trophies a shared drop?

[kind veldt]

nope

you can only see and interact with your drops

[azure lintel]

I dont think exotics interact with other players unless stated

[eager loom]

i have a question on Anti Cheat, my friend and i, is it normal for the Easy Anti cheat to sit there for a good 30 second to a minute before starting game?

[kind veldt]

yeah depending on the game

EAC is just clunky sometimes

[eager loom]

this is just first time i seen it do it and with division 2, i mean it's been doing it for a while now but i finally just got tired of it figured i ask, i can't really find anything on the google.

most things about it is error codes, this and that but didn't see much on long loading times for it.

[kind veldt]

is the game still starting?

[eager loom]

yeah, everything is decent. It did suck last yeear, if the game, more like, when the game crashed, having to wait a couple minutes to get back on to help eachother. it was back and forth too. she'll crash, get on, 10, 15 min later i'll crash. we stopped playing for a bit.

it's stable now. just the darn long load time is all. 🙂

[tired granite]

tried validating your game on steam ? idk whether this helps

[old burrow]

Is anyone else having issues with Danny Weaver not giving them the exotic cache purchased? I have had this happen on both HC and my core character.

[tired granite]

working fine for me

[half leaf]

where is snitch today?

[cinder wind]

Does anyone have 8 Ivory Keys and can open up the box and drop me a Shield Splinterer? Or help me kill the 4-Hunters at the Christmas Tree

[small plume]

Lol, only now I noticed that the Zweihander brand chestpiece is the same model of the WHC chestpiece (Chainkiller), but painted in orange.
Edit: Not just the chestpiece, but the entire set is just WHC recolored.

Maybe Ubi is running out of ideas with The Division 2, too, not just For Honor.

[azure lintel]

well they are weak

they dont know what they doing

[half leaf]

where is snitch today?

[lilac cairn]

@cinder wind You could try to spawn them with some NPCs around the tree. I left 1 alive, and had 10 more swarm the place when I was fighting the hunters. They provided great distractions so I had some breathing room

[small plume]

Dude is really called "Derrame", Jesus.

[kind veldt]

it's random as always

[half leaf]

map is too big to find him in random locations, can take forever

[coarse summit]

Did they significantly reduce xp awards for year 6? And did they recalibrate watch levels if so?

[kind veldt]

he only spawns in certain places just google a list and check

i think he generally tries to spawn close to close where you are

[azure lintel]

i done with div2

[lapis junco]

👍

[azure lintel]

too much buggs and crashes seems like i wait then they resets main characters

[full zinc]

youll see the same models recycled with a lot of the gear types/brands. this isnt a new thing

[small plume]

As far as I've seen, each brand has a unique model.

Each brand type may have the same model with different colors, but never same model between different brands.

[agile pendant]

man that glitched crafting table is awesome

[full zinc]

check the lower quality mods, they definitely get recycled with slight changes.

[random blaze]

Oh yeah, how are some people able to hide their chestplate appearance ingame? No idea how, but I've seen some people play with concealed chestplate pieces

[azure lintel]

some apparel items do that

its not something thats a setting, its just someone using one of those

[random blaze]

aww, I see. That's a shame. I wanted to see more of the vest from the apparel I got ww

[modern rain]

Elden ring expansion in 5 days

[undone timber]

Can try changing your shirt to make it more visible

Oh wait it is a shirt oops

Try the umbra chest mod

It's pretty clean

I believe there's a low level chest that's the same but without the magazines too but I forget the brand

[full zinc]

watcher chest should be pretty minimal

[wise basalt]

devs really mess up on this whole "one endgame". XP system from 30-40 is a complete s**tshow.

[full zinc]

im just glad i have enough stored shd to not need to level agents anymore

[digital onyx]

is there cross save?

[full zinc]

no

[lunar hare]

No cross-save nor cross-play

[digital onyx]

dam i gotta restart on pc

[agile pendant]

🤭

[digital onyx]

on second thought id rather just not play the game

[pale basin]

just got a compliment for doing heroic missions at shd level 134

wow i was actually thankful lmaooooo

[agile pendant]

oh man so manyu shitters in countdown..

trash builds

[undone timber]

That's probably why they're in there

Challenging you can pretty much solo carry so it's not a big issue

[azure lintel]

Idk whats the big deal with level 1000

[undone timber]

All bonuses

Not needed necessarily but they're helpful

[pale basin]

the bonuses when you max out the watch are useful

and then the scavenging is wonderful

[azure lintel]

Aside from the scavenging the only good thing imo is the blue cores

And health boost

[undone timber]

Crit chance is perhaps the most useful thing on there

Along with the effective handling from green bonuses

[azure lintel]

Barely i can reach it fine without it

And if you really dont care farm a hot shot determined build and call it a day

[undone timber]

You can reach cap without it but it's almost 2 free crit chance attributes

[azure lintel]

Assuming youre using red core strikers anything over 40% chc and like 80% chd is overkill asf i shred enemies with no stacks and my strikers build is horrible

Im on challenging with 3 directives

[undone timber]

It only shreds because you're on challenging lol

Striker 4 pc carries

50/150 is the recommendation

Or close to it

[sour void]

I still wish the BA +50% mag capacity bonus would start at 2 pieces instead of three.

Then I can slap on the other brand that gives +15% mag size for 1 piece with my True Patriot set with Ninjabike.

[maiden belfry]

aaron retconned?

[undone timber]

Yes

[maiden belfry]

lmao, what's next, lau is alive?

[fair lake]

Bliss chopper 2.0 comes back

I have no idea what should we do to make the team put Summit Combat Merit Commendation on trello. These 4 years of ignoring is just so (use a word of your preference)

[median mantle]

It is possible to have 136 mag size on st almos

1 ninja BP .. 2 TP .. 2 Brazos .. 1 Zoo

[cinder oasis]

I have an important question

Did any of u ever play 007 nightfire on ps2?

[inner elbow]

PS2? what's that

[fluid meadow]

Kids these days

[hollow hill]

Playstation 2. Crazy how I grew up on that era of consoles and it's now considered "retro"

Even the Xbox 360 is considered retro 🤢

[hollow hill]

I think I have actually, I remember playing some 007 games on PS2 when I was very young

[lunar hare]

ayyy got my friend oreo in the first and last run of the night 🎉

[cinder wind]

Nightfire was objectively the best 007 game on PS2

Agent Under Fire was also really good

Playing the MP with the Throwing mines and trip mines. Seeing how many you could place and caging off areas

[white mica]

Did you ever find a way to get those?

[fallow sinew]

Anyone else got an issue with the 'Add ons' tab in game(the tab where you access the level 30 boost)? It just comes up as a blank screen for me.

[tender wave]

Yeah I've seen people report that, just checked myself with a level 40 character and I can see it though

(don't have any spare slots to try a new character)

[cyan narwhal]

camp white oak faye lau mission i think.

[fallow sinew]

I dont suppose you have seen any possible workarounds?

[umbral kite]

you can use the normal ubi store instead of ingame store to purchase stuff

[tender wave]

Only thing I've noticed in the past is the store is blank if you don't have the Ubisoft overlay enabled, but this sounds like a more specific problem.
You could create your character as a 'jump straight to wony' one then just travel back to dc after the tutorial?

[fallow sinew]

Thanks. I am in the middle of a re-install now to see if that wil work. I do have the Ubisoft overlay disabled, so I will try that also

[umbral kite]

if it's disabled, you cannot purchase anything ingame iirc

[stark heron]

The solution is probably the store on the character selection screen

[wise basalt]

got a mule to lvl 40, but in the projects tab still seeing lvl 30 projects for settlements, why?

[undone timber]

gam brock

[cinder oasis]

Finally! So many people have never played nightfire and it blows my mind, was my favourite game as a kid and way ahead of its time as a fps

I remember playing split screen with my family it was so fun, all the different maps, weapons, characters and gadgets

[cinder oasis]

If u did, I love you

But goldeneye seemed to be more popular back then if I remember correctly (no idea why, nightfire was better)

[undone timber]

the only bond game I played was quantum of solace on the 360

love most of the movies though

[bitter wraith]

Achievemeent: hijack extraction in occupied dark zone. Occupied means invaded, right?

[tender wave]

Yes

[lilac cairn]

Goldeneye on N64 was fire, probably my favorite, nightfire was also great. The only 007 games I've ever played

[odd totem]

Does anyone know if I’ll ever be able to get the belstone blueprint? I took a break during the season they released it. I would really like to collect all the blue prints but I’m missing some locked behind past seasons 😐.

[full zinc]

Only available if they rerun the season.

[junior bear]

Bps are locked? Tf

[frigid arch]

What's the best location for Hyena tactical assessments?

[kind veldt]

hyena's bounties or crafting

[lilac cairn]

So if I want a picaros holster blueprint, they'd have to rerun season 10 stuff, but I can still obtain the item through random drops, correct?

[kind veldt]

You can obtain through drops

[lilac cairn]

The blueprint drops as well?

[kind veldt]

Sorry i meant tge item

[alpine gale]

hi all why does the game keep crashing non stop when i /w people non stop if i dont then never crashes

[primal skiff]

for me inspect is broken

[still temple]

it's broken for everyone

[alpine gale]

ah i see tks

[dark sand]

🤣

[junior bear]

It sometimes works, sometimes doesn't

[umbral hearth]

are control points broken right now?

nevermind, just saw the issues board

that sucks

[blazing sleet]

Can i use chain-killer + determined to one shot pvp players in dz

[kind veldt]

i think so? but you need o have stacks built before and use something very hard hitting

not a PVP guy

[tender wave]

headhunter lasts like 5s in pvp so you'd need to have a convenient npc to hand to stack on

[blazing sleet]

It lasts more than 5s in pve tho?

[small spear]

yeah but you're asking about pvp

[sterile scaffold]

The power to my house just went off while I was on loop 50 absolutely, fucking LIVID

[wise basalt]

should've paid the bill

[lilac cairn]

Loop 50 without defeating the nemesis?

[novel laurel]

Picaros bp drops from control point crates

[novel laurel]

Determined yes, chainkiller no. Use glass cannon or Henri chest

[sterile scaffold]

Well yeah

I kept going after cause I like to keep playing it

[lilac cairn]

Didn't know that, assumed any blueprint locked wasn't obtainable beyond that specific season

[torpid tendon]

Btw how are you supposed to beat frank frank, again? We spent like 15 min trying to break their armor.

[novel laurel]

Who the hell is frank frank

[novel laurel]

Hermano and picaros are in control point crates same for setup and closer

Those are the only ones of the top of my head I can remember, I believe some gearsets are too

[torpid tendon]

The 2 dudes from legendary manning

[kind veldt]

weakspots?

[torpid tendon]

Which are?

[kind veldt]

dunno, i'm just guessing havent done legendayr zoo

not the first time they would have done so

[lilac cairn]

I'd like to get the blueprint for the "Forge" holster at some point as well.

[novel laurel]

You need to sit inside them and shoot their backs

[torpid tendon]

Yeah, I saw it on yt... But idk, it doesn't looks like it's intended to be that way.

That's what I'm trying to figure out.

[novel laurel]

You just have someone agro them and then the other 3 shoot them in the back

PFE with Scorpio and intimidate

[torpid tendon]

Maybe we didn't had enough dps then.

[novel laurel]

It takes a ton of dmg to break the bp

Make sure to have someone debuff with Scorpio and sledgehammer

[low lily]

PGC, 2 Habsburg, 3 hotshot. Model 700/determined. Hits 2.89m for me.

[novel laurel]

You can hit harder for first shot

[low lily]

What you mean harder for the first shot

[novel laurel]

Bigger number

[low lily]

Why would a first shot be bigger than others tho 🤣

[novel laurel]

?

[small spear]

if you don't do that you have to stack every imaginable buff to kill them like sledge, knuckles, etc.

or just two shot them

[low lily]

I mean if you wanna skip determined then perfect ranger is way to go then you can do over 3m

[novel laurel]

pvp sniper

If I did the math right this should hit harder

[low lily]

Nope

Tested it out, the 3 hotshot variant hits 11.1 and that hits 10.7, also you are missing 22% weapons handling out then

Not gonna test it out in actually pvp because that will be much worse experience already because of that handling you are missing.

[novel laurel]

Just put handling on then?

[low lily]

On contractors, fox? Also again it's less dmg 🤣

[novel laurel]

Your build hits 200k less

Not sure how you tested your build

Look in #td2-build-advice

[fluid meadow]

I mean y'all can settle it one way

[low lily]

I mean I test my builds in a shooting range 😅😅 I used exactly same what you sent to me

Show me the actual dmg numbers what you hit with those 2 builds please 😅

[novel laurel]

Just sent it

[low lily]

You haven't send me anything tho 😅

But whatever, end of they day till you are happy run whatever you want mate 😅❤️

[novel laurel]

#td2-build-advice

[low lily]

@novel laurel how do you have 2 headshot attribute on Douglas mask ?

20 headshot attribute, 10 headshot attribute and 10 from the mod? 🤣🤣🤣

Like I said, test you actual builds out mate not theory craft and then say mine is worse ❤️

[junior bear]

You would need to prove the math is wrong tho, are you arguing with numbers or what?

[low lily]

I don't argue with anything I tried his build he sent me 😅

Again you can't have 2 headshot attributes on a mask

[novel laurel]

Ok? And that doesn't equal a 200k dmg difference

Congrats I made a small mistake

I'm trying to help you, if you don't want help we don't have to continue talking

[low lily]

Just in future make the build and actually try them out ❤️

[novel laurel]

In the future maybe don't test your builds in the shooting range and actually use a dps calculator

[lucid solar]

Is a striker build worth making

[low lily]

Definitely

[lucid solar]

Alright I’ll do it

This hunters build isn’t working that well for me

[low lily]

Hunters fury is good also, I mainly use that when I farm DCD to boost people to 40. Striker has really good dmg tho, really good for Incursion also

[lucid solar]

Yeah I can pve well with hunters but I’m looking to pack more of a punch I guess

Still need the msg from the incursion

[low lily]

Msg?

[lucid solar]

What

You want me to dm?

[low lily]

You wrote you need the msg from the Incursion 😅😅 you meant Ouroboros?

[lucid solar]

Ouroboros

I meant smg lmao I didn’t even realize

[low lily]

Ohh all good you can send me your psn I can probably run you tru tomorrow couple of times if you like.

[lucid solar]

Sure

[junior bear]

I switched from fury to strikers and I'm having way more success

[novel laurel]

We are running some rn

What's your psn

[low lily]

Fury has those headhunter pistol builds what I like. But I definitely like striker more

[lucid solar]

Xz-tox1c-zX

[junior bear]

I was using just standard smg scorpio combo

Didn't try any fancy stuff

[lucid solar]

I’ve been away for a bit

[low lily]

I use it with determined d50 when I run heroic DCD it's just so fast with that

[novel laurel]

Sent

[junior bear]

Nice thing about fury is armor and health ngl

I miss it

Also I guess I was running kinda fancy fury, cuz I think most ppl run normal 6 red with some normal chest. I use 4 red 2 blue with Ridgeway

[tight thorn]

hey guys i'm having a problem with interacting with wally does anyone know what the issue is/have a fix for it?

[bitter wraith]

Gearset with green plus symbol that gives armour?

Oh it's AOK

System corruption I guess

[novel laurel]

@low lily you were correct I tested in game, I was wrong there

[small spear]

try not to rely on the calc on that page too much, just use it to lay out the build only

we've all seen how shoddy it does calcs

[novel laurel]

Yea that was poorly executed on my end

[lapis junco]

you really dont need glass

spotter is good enough

[novel laurel]

True could go spotter

Honeslty you can probably one shot with ninja in PvP I was talking about it with Raucey

[lapis junco]

3 hotshot, spotter and foxes does it

i was hitting for 1.9ish

good enough to kill anyone but tanks

[agile pendant]

anyone have link that document that showed you what gear gave what after deconstructing it??

[fickle notch]

Man I would’ve joined the game sooner if I knew I could get an echelon outfit

[visual ermine]

I envy you.

That "Thing that aged like milk" still has daily interactions with the devs working on teh Division IP so maybe it didn't age as poorly as you think it did

[inner elbow]

that must be awesome. I thought people sign up for it to promote the game or something.

[visual ermine]

ETF = Elite Task Force
IN DIV1, about 4 months after release the Devs realized "We got a major proeelm with end game". As a response they decide to invite a dozen players of various backgrounds (not just influencers) to provide feedback/input on proposed chanegsto try and reinvigotrarethe game. The 1.4 update to DIV1 was the result of that first ETF gathering which was 1 week long. They did it again 5-6 months later and called it ETF Bravo. I was invited for ETF bravo and I make NO content at all. I'm just the avg man with a wife/family, FT Job and limited free time so my time is valuable

BS. We are NOT gate keepers and half of us don;t even produce any kind fo content for the game so there goes your "paid shills" narrative

[lapis junco]

You missed the joke

[timber hatch]

Did you guys get a look at the incursion before it was released? I've been so curious what the originally intented method for lovebirds was because I really don't its either of the two main strategies, but I honestly dont know what was expected to be done instead

[azure lintel]

Anybody know what the minimum difficulty is for each mission to unlock the Sticky Bomb for my new character? And what missions do I have to do to get it?

[cyan narwhal]

wall street- sticky bomb
stranded tanker- fire sticky

if u are using new character u have to play wony to unlock rouge shd tech

[cyan narwhal]

it unlock on first playthrough at story difficulty

have to beat the boss to obtain it

[azure lintel]

Thanks

[kind veldt]

it's the other way around, conley gives you fire sticky, drago gives you regular explosive sticky

[cyan narwhal]

my bad

[sturdy helm]

hi, is the weekly "capital mission" the same as the "capital building" mission?

[full zinc]

yes

capital hill, hard difficulty or higher

[opal radish]

Wait wut capital hill which mission is that

[inner elbow]

Capitol Hill is the area of grass before the Capitol Building

[lunar hare]

I guess you don't understand sarcasm.

[small plume]

After I fully optimize my build, I think I'll leave this game for some weeks (or even 2 months, Idk).

I'll play the Elden Ring DLC and hop on Tekken.

I see no reason to keep playing this game.

[kind veldt]

why not make a new character? || dont take it too seriously it's just a joke about seasonal characters||

[inner elbow]

very honest confession, good to know. thanks for sharing.

[inner elbow]

meanwhile me who creates a new character every month:

[small plume]

My second character is lvl 9 or 10, but I'm really not invested enough to do it.

[dark sand]

Do you have warlords of new york or lvl 30 booster helps alot

or if not that is completely fine

👍

[small plume]

I see no reason in boosting a character to NY, I wanted to see how things worked from the start, and I thought about getting that cursed comm at the end of the main campaign that the game don't allows me to pick up with my main character.

[dark sand]

understandable there

[outer arrow]

what is yellow line in brand set? I found +30% weapon handling in set bonus but its yellow

[small plume]

Taxes.

[novel laurel]

It's a bug if you look at it while in the named gloves

Just ignore it

[outer arrow]

weird, thanks

[novel laurel]

If you look at it from the same brand but not the named item it's not golden

[dark sand]

after starting and having this game for 1 month and a half (took breaks played other game am just that guy)

This is a interesting game

[small plume]

It's the Zweihander gear brand that have a yellow 30% weapon handling.

It's weird how the named gloves also have 15% weapon handling.

[novel laurel]

It's only if you look at in the named gloves

[small plume]

I'd use it, if I didn't needed more damage of the Contractor's gloves, to oneshot everything that moves with my 1886 build

[outer arrow]

and the 15% weapon handling line is also yellow lol

[novel laurel]

That's supposed to be how it is

[small plume]

Yes, but the 15% is intentional.

Because is the buff of that named glove.

[outer arrow]

ooo ic so thats where to bug comes from

[small plume]

The normal value of weapon handling is lower than 15%.

[novel laurel]

8

[toxic flume]

I come back to Div 2. No gear score…

Maybe devs is making it more new comer friendly and easier to balance things… mmm 🤔

[lunar hare]

Maybe? That's it

[obtuse shoal]

wow a daily project gives 73k exp now

yet somehow the season pass project is giving out 700k hmmm

[lunar hare]

Bugged.

[rigid wedge]

Bugged because the game now auto defaults to WT0 xp

[hollow hill]

Making it more newbie friendly but also ruining it for the veterans who spent years grinding this game only to be reset back to level 1 every season with seasonal characters

[inner elbow]

except it doesn't affect their main characters one bit

what I got from all this outrage is people don't like to be forced to play in conditions outside of their comfort zones

[violet wedge]

It's just not smart to introduce seasonal characters almost 6 years after the launch of a game which barely has received any new content in a long time. I couldn't think of a worse thing to introduce to a game like this. Classic Ubisoft. Always off with the timing

[hollow hill]

It doesn't no, but the major point is the fact that this game isn't designed around resetting progress every season. Our main characters have been the forefront of every manhunt season for the last however long theyve been in the game. Now, we need to make a seasonal character at the start of every new season and play from 1-40 all over again. Our main characters are now closet characters. We don't know yet if we can go back to our mains while we have a seasonal character active. All they did was change how we consume the new content, not make it different. New players get a new experience meanwhile the old players get punished and reset to do it all over again and repeat the same process they probably did dozens of times. It's content aimed for new players, not old players. Again, same content, just fed to us differently

[violet wedge]

Maybe they're trying to kill the game on purpose. It's a little too early though since TD3 still has years of developement ahead before we even see anything about it

[hollow hill]

The point is, there's NOTHING aimed towards the old players. Notice how in the 5 min promo video they rewarded endgame content to players who don't have WONY. New players most likely won't buy WONY. We all get reset every season. Old players and new players will be on equal footing. It's nice yes but it's the quickest way to make the game die off because I'm betting a good number of the playerbase is the people who haven't put the game down after all these years

[inner elbow]

I think I'm missing something here. What does a game's age have to do with how content is delivered?

[violet wedge]

I wonder how many will be picking up that delayed DLC next year when they drove the rest of the player base off with seasonal characters

The good thing with Ubisoft is, you don't even have to boycott these guys since they're boycotting themselves internally

[hollow hill]

For the last what will be 6 years here soon, they've never reset progress every season. The content has run incredibly stale, except maybe a few new added modes. But other than that, we do the same shit but in a different toilet. We've never had our progress reset, we kept playing on the SAME characters every single season. Now, with this upcoming season, that all changes. Our mains aren't our mains anymore, our seasonal character is. You can't access new content on a legacy character. Seasonal character is required

THATS why it's a bad change

[inner elbow]

I mean, you said it, the content was stale, which I agree. now they've decided to switch it up.

[violet wedge]

Everything. Especially in a game like this. It's been almost 6 years on the market. You can't just introduce seasonal characters and make everyone's characters obsolete after almost 6 years unless you have little to no respect for your playerbase

[hollow hill]

^ this

[inner elbow]

but they're not obsolete.

not being able to do seasonal content on your main characters doesn't make them obsolete.

unless you only play Div 2 for the seasonal content

[hollow hill]

What's the definition of a main character

Main character = character you use all the time

[inner elbow]

a character that you spend most of your time on, to do most content in the game?

[hollow hill]

Next season: new content on seasonal only. Therefore, SEASONAL characters will now be our main characters

Why???? People wanna play the new content but not on a reset character

[violet wedge]

How are they going to switch it up? People have being playing the same missions over and over for years. To remove all that progress and make everyone do them again starting from zero is not exciting

[inner elbow]

let's wait for their more detailed explanation, shall we?

[hollow hill]

They wanna use the loot they spent 6 years grinding for. All their memories, feelings and hard work they spent into their main characters is being replaced by a reset character every few months

[violet wedge]

You can introduce seasonal characters into a game within the first 6 months but not after almost 6 years. Especially not into a grindy game as this one

[fluid meadow]

Imagine working hard on making the perfect agent face only to delete at the end of season

[hollow hill]

If they make it optional where you can go back to your main, I think everybody will be alright with that. But if it's mandatory you stay on seasonal until done, I think that's where everyone is freaked out on

[elfin hazel]

probably most of the playerbase because unlike people here predicted the news of seasonal characters didn't hurt this seasons player numbers

[bitter wraith]

Is high expertise and me not using drone the reason I get shredded by the ourboros in the dz even with 1.7 mil armor?

[fluid meadow]

Armor doesn't mean anything if they can magdump you without missing

[bitter wraith]

And is not being able to see.other peoples builds just a bug?

[elfin hazel]

most people either

• don't care
• don't know
• are waiting to hear more before proclaming game death

[hollow hill]

Expertise only applies to invaded dark zones, last I recall. As for drone, what kind???

[inner elbow]

they already said it's optional. what I understand from them is that you can return to your whatever main characters when you're not doing seasonal content

[bitter wraith]

Wait fr?? And defender

[violet wedge]

Do you think these new players they got in with it will stay? lol They are disrespecting their loyal players who have been around for years. Only a matter of time before those numbers will drop significantly...

[hollow hill]

They likely have a high based crit build

[fluid meadow]

It applies everywhere

And if ouro build was striker and obliterate of course you'd be burned no matter how much armor

[elfin hazel]

I've forgone my opinion on it now that we know they're going to have a more detailed explanation soon™

[violet wedge]

We have seen the outcome of this years ago in similar games such as Warframe. Neglecting your veteran players is never a good thing

[hollow hill]

Lemme do some research on this bc when I watched the live event to see the all of 5 minutes they vaguely explained, they never confirmed it was optional unless I fully missed that part

[elfin hazel]

I don't believe in older loyal players getting brownie points just for being around for a long time

people thinking day 1 WoNY owners deserve something for l40 being free is still crazy to be despite being so recent

[violet wedge]

And that's the wrong mindset and very disrespectful. These people stuck around for years and even through rough times with this game

[inner elbow]

rough times? lol

[unborn ravine]

The whole time has been a rough time lol

[elfin hazel]

I've been here since day 1 of div2 I'm not bein disrespectful for not wanting brownie points for something we have only the vaguest info on 💀

[hollow hill]

Good, they need to explain more instead of vaguely explain in a 5 minute Livestream. Not enough details were there

[fluid meadow]

The grenade bag still haunts me

[elfin hazel]

all we really know atm is seasonal characters = season content (but not climax missions & master difficulty)

[hollow hill]

Most run armor strikers and then slap on unbreakable chest piece and run catharsis

[elfin hazel]

I doubt new gear will ever be locked to seasonal characters because that is actually just nonsensical

[inner elbow]

my only gripe with seasonal content is that it is locked behind weekly phases.

[elfin hazel]

I just hope "weekly" means targets or whatever the target replacement is comes out weekly and you can catch up like you can now

[unborn ravine]

Transferring gear earned on seasonal charcters to main characters makes 0 sense when they have stated multiple times they can't expand stash space any further.

[elfin hazel]

idk makes about as much sense as them adding new gear to me

[unborn ravine]

Adding new gear also makes no sense.

[elfin hazel]

it makes a lot of sense actually

[unborn ravine]

If they pull a destiny 2 and sunset old things then yes

[inner elbow]

I don't wanna speculate but in any case, never too late to up your inventory/stash management game

[hollow hill]

For me, I don't wanna level all the way back up every new season. I've done it numerous times and it gets tedious the more times you do it. Idm it tho as long as it's optional but I can confidently say that these changes will make me play the content less and less

[elfin hazel]

not adding new gear/weapons would be 100% worse than the common view of how seasonal characters will be to the games health

[hollow hill]

This I fully agree with

[violet wedge]

I also think that seasonal gear/weapons will only be usable with seasonal characters since that's how games such as Diablo do it and they seem to be inspired by it

[unborn ravine]

You mean you don't wanna go from 1-40 and 1-1000 every season? Thats the best part! 😂

[elfin hazel]

no grind vs new(old) grind

[hollow hill]

Every 3-4 months when we reset? Nawww fk that

[fluid meadow]

That'd even make finding loot harder for endgame as you'll be forced to trash anything that's not 40 as you progress

[elfin hazel]

theres just no info to really base a full opinion on atm I don't like how it is now with the vague info and I hope they know that but with no info atm and info coming I'd rather wait than outright be saying this is awful and will kill the game ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[unborn ravine]

Or grind out all the exotics again..all the added specializations.

[elfin hazel]

theres still a lot of time for things to change I'm not willing to jump the gun myself

[violet wedge]

If they don't make leveling 1-40 quicker with seasonal content, it will be very rough. In Diablo for instance, you can level up your seasonal character much faster due to them being more powerful with items that give you unique powers and you also get stuff like double XP in Diablo

[elfin hazel]

I'd argue at present the launch of S9 where the game constantly crashed every like 5-10 minutes was more hazardous to the games life than the vague info we have on seasonal characters

[hollow hill]

Good mindset to have. I wanna stay on the game and see the playerbase grow or bring people back, I don't wanna see it fail now. I'm just not a fan of these major changes they're making, it feels way way too late to be messing with the recipe this suddenly. Let's let them keep cooking but on the meantime let's cross our fingers they don't burn the kitchen or the house down

[unborn ravine]

1-40 won't matter when it's 700,000 xp for shd. it's the 700,000,000 xp they need to change to get from 1-1000

[violet wedge]

I agree. Most of it feels way too late

[unborn ravine]

Yall gotta remember, this games was supposed to be sunset 3-4 years ago.

[violet wedge]

You're right, it will be even tougher to level 1-1000 to have all the watch stats each season. I honestly have no idea how they're going to do that. They could make leveling faster in seasonal content

[unborn ravine]

Yeah, but they won't...

[hollow hill]

It really does. I'm all for new changes and new content, I just don't like the idea of resetting every single season. I worked hard to have the builds I have, it's gonna feel very wrong to start over to consume the new content

[unborn ravine]

We only get double xp at the start of every new manhunt target for 15 levels.

[violet wedge]

It's been over 4 years since the last DLC for this game came out btw 😂

[elfin hazel]

my reason for not really caring about the idea of reseting every season is cus for all I know the exp/leveling process could be completely different than it is now

cus if seasonal characters are for seasonal content thats apparently weekly it could be drastically different than it is now

[hollow hill]

^^ dead on the money with that one. There is that possibility

[unborn ravine]

Won't know until they say so...but I won't be holding my breath for a drastic change

[hollow hill]

I'm gonna enjoy season 1.0 for the time being until we know more info. If I can't go back to my beloved main character anytime I want, it's my time to move on. If I can go back anytime I want, cool, I'll play the seasonal stuff when I'm bored

[elfin hazel]

if seasons have been like 3-4 months long the whole time they've been a thing and they've increased how long seasons are by a month I can't imagine that changing

[unborn ravine]

Why make seasonal charcters a thing anyway. Just add the weekly targets to the main game and all will be fine.

[elfin hazel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I'd expect that to be in their explanation

[unborn ravine]

Devs been playing too much Diablo lol

[inner elbow]

yeah just do it how it has always been done... stale and boring

[elfin hazel]

my guess though is because people have gotten so settled into things that marketing something like the incursion as the hardest thing yet falls apart within like a week

so having a grind reset "fixes" that

though it doesn't really make sense if master difficulty and climax missions are able to be done on ur main so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[violet wedge]

I think the thought behind this is they want to make the game more accessible to new players that are coming late to the party. They want to bring everyone on an even field and want to make them play together. Most players these days are afraid of playing a game like this so late in the lifecycle as they feel it's too late and they're left too far behind and can't catch up as quickly

To me, it seems like a desperate attempt to up the player numbers

[unborn ravine]

Well of course they can't catch up. No one wants to grind out 700,000,000 xp to have a max watch that came out 4 years ago..

[violet wedge]

Unless there's a new turret glitch...

Only this time they're going to roll everyone back 4 weeks

[unborn ravine]

There is always a new glitch..a new hack....Just today I say 4 people who were "invisible" in countdown.

[hollow hill]

They will if they wanna run WONY and get them godrolled crafting table loot

[violet wedge]

I wouldn't be so sure about that being a glitch or hack with the servers they have

[unborn ravine]

I don't remember the last time I crafted anything 😂

[hollow hill]

Well, there's a lovely new bug where if you make a new character from level 1, reach base of op, boost to Wony, finish WONY, your level 40 crafting table will produce all god rolls

[unborn ravine]

It's a hack for sure. The player doesn't show up in the team menu, and the NPC's don't target that player. If it was a server issue the player would be disconnected(which still happens after opening the final chest)

[hollow hill]

People are mod farming rn and trying to craft their unicorns they need

[unborn ravine]

I'm sure that will be patched and rolled back.

[violet wedge]

They should at least bring back each gear piece having talents with seasonal characters

[hollow hill]

That's what I'm saying too so all of my friends wanted to do it and I told them not to, in case of a ban or rollback

[unborn ravine]

No, that was too complicated on day 1. Is the reason they gave for the change to the current gear system we have now.

[elfin hazel]

I'm doubting ban and somewhat rollback

rollback while way more possible than a ban I doubt cus this strikes me more of a countdown vendor bug scenario

[hollow hill]

Ah yes, the infamous lefty being free

[unborn ravine]

Twas a good time...

[deep flare]

@violet wedge No that system was trash especially with the drop rates. It will go against what they are trying to do which is bring new players in. And the rainbow loot that we have right now would make everything worse

[violet wedge]

I mean they have to somehow make leveling at least more faster and give people an incentive to go for seasonal characters. If they just lock out the main characters and leave everything as is in the seasonal content, it will be brutal

[hollow hill]

Nah the best time was when our gun talents got swapped so 75% of our builds were useless for a few weeks 🤣

[violet wedge]

In Diablo for instance people go for seasonal characters for the power fantasy, cause the game gives you unique items that make you stronger than in the main game

All I want is that launch Merciless ignoring all armor again

[deep flare]

@violet wedge The problem resides in the fact that we almost did not have new content in the game for 4 years. The seasons are very similar and the story is rapidly turning into trash. Most of the vets have 4 characters already and have already grinded enough of the same content over and over. Before thinking of the seasonal characters, they should bring new content in and rethink the way the content is delivered. Nobody wants to do the same bounties, same control points and missions with different named bosses.

[violet wedge]

We been talking about the exact same thing a couple minutes ago too. I agree 100%

[elfin hazel]

I really want to know where the idea of so much of the playerbase has all 4 character slots filled with builds comes from

[deep flare]

I don't think that with the low number of in the dev team that they can deliver on the content. That's why we're very skeptical about season characters not being another grind we've already done (Watch, Expertise etc..) before the new DLC comes out

[elfin hazel]

I mean its probably around 160 on the low end if I had to guess

including support studios

[deep flare]

@elfin hazel Everybody in my friend's list have 4 char and from day 1. When you have 1000s of hours in the game, the fastest way to grind is to have multiple characters and some of us like to role play with their characters 🙂

[elfin hazel]

last number(83+) we outright had was a over a year or two ago and god knows whats happened since

[violet wedge]

The reason why most people including myself have 4 characters is, if you have a high watch level character, you get all the SHD Points (-1k if I'm not mistaken) on each character you level up to 40. This way you can max out your items much faster

[deep flare]

Now way 160 devs are working on the division. honestly, if they are 20-30 at best, it would be incredible

[violet wedge]

I leveled up like 7 characters to 40. Skipped to NY from 30. Most of the people I know did the exact same thing. The higher your watch level is, the more effective this becomes

[elfin hazel]

you're both selecting a very small amount of the playerbase and projecting that to scale to the most of the playerbase which just really doesn't work

[deep flare]

Not really, new players don't tend to stick around the game that long when they discover that that have done everything that the game has to offer. Veterans do not represent a small amount of the playerbase but rather the most important part in a game that's that old.

[violet wedge]

I mean, you don't need to level a new character anyway since you get to play the same control points, same missions, and bounties over and over with each season. I think majority of us has played most of the content for more than enough in almost 6 years at this point

[violet wedge]

Exactly. Most of the new players tend to leave quickly. Many of them get the game on a big sale too. Veteran players are just as important as new players

[deep flare]

@violet wedge Exactly why there is an uproar for seasonal characters. We don't need to farm the same things we've done for 6 years, will probably be bugged also, and it's not having modifiers that will make us happy to do it again. Modifiers in this game are worse than what they were in div1 (looking at you global events). You can't keep giving us things we didn't ask for, not listen to your community and complain that's it's hard to balance something you put in the game for the grind.

This game could've been the best game ever created in the genre tbh but the ball is dropped each time. Don't get me wrong, i don't blame the devs, the higher ups are more responsible for this imo. We should've had at least 6 raids and 6 incursions by now at the bare minimum.

@violet wedge For me, we're more important since we've supported the game with playing metrics and money when it was at the lowest and still do to this day.

[elfin hazel]

as I don't know how many friends you both have I'm just going to assume a likely high number for this but assuming you have 100 friends each who all have 4 characters maxed out with builds that's only 0.4%-0.2% based off what my guess for the player number really is(50k-100k) hell 0.8%(25k) if you really want to go lower there's just no way for that to scale to like 70-90% assuming 70-90 is all vets

my assumption on player number is average monthly all platforms

[violet wedge]

The last DLC that released was over 4 years ago. Says everything 😂 We definitely deserved better. Even TD1 had 4 Incursions and that game was only supported for 2 years before they stopped the support for it

[deep flare]

@violet wedge Excatly. Remember when they've said that they've learned from the div1 at E3 and focused on the endgame and when the game came out we didn't have acces to WT5 for almost a month ? 🙂 I knew it was going to be complicated then.

[elfin hazel]

I'd expect the average actively used character slots to be 1.5 not enough to definitively be 1 and not enough to definitively be 2

[deep flare]

Destiny 2 came out with less content then Destiny 1 but at the end their season even if they're a paid expansions brings you a lot of content storywise, missions, raids, gameplay etc...

@elfin hazel Where are you pulling out your stats from ?

[elfin hazel]

pure guess work since the only actual data we have is mostly unreliable for projecting actual player numbers

[violet wedge]

The game was basically in life support up until a year ago while it was still listed as a live service game

[deep flare]

i'm already paying for premium pass so i woudl'nt mind paying for an expansion for 10 more dallors tbh

[elfin hazel]

game was off steam for majority of its life most pc players are likely on ubicon so assuming the launch numbers on steam somehow project to ubicon that'd be around 10-20k and I'm assuming player numbers on consoles are around the same skewing more towards playstation

[violet wedge]

I'd gladly pay for an expansion too. The issue is Ubisoft seem to have dropped the ball on TD2 after the Warlords DLC 4 years ago

[deep flare]

@elfin hazel You're assuming that the players still left are a mix of new players, vets etc... and that the playerbase is global. The game is not crossplay so the playstation players, xbox players, pc players are compartmentalized. The more likely is that every platform has a low to medium player count that plays daily and most of them who stuck in the game are vets. I'm sorry. The others don't stick with the game.

[elfin hazel]

theres always going to be a small amount of new players but never none and regardless if there was crossplay that shouldn't impact the numbers to a sizeable amount

[deep flare]

And vets do not have for the vast majority 1-2 characters.

[violet wedge]

Honestly, it boggles my mind why they're not focusing their resources into making the game crossplay. They'd benefit big time from it. They plan on still supporting it, so why not focus on making crossplay happen? Many games that are around these days (especially in the same genre) already have crossplay and cross-save

[elfin hazel]

because crossplay is probably the biggest task they could put onto themselves

[violet wedge]

Just look at Warframe. That game has been on the market since 11+ years and they introduced crossplay and cross-save to it just a couple months ago

Yeah, it would be a very important task since it would breath new life into the game and it would be a huge Quality of Life change for the game

[elfin hazel]

different game
different engine
different studio (most importantly number of devs)
different code
different management
different roadmaps
different save file systems
different server setups
different budgets

theres a lot of reasons why the question of but x game cant do it so why cant this game do it doesn't work

[violet wedge]

It doesn't matter if it's a different game. Almost any other game in the same genre pulled it off

[hollow hill]

Yeah I really don't wanna see cross play hit division 2... The amount of cheater boosting that'll be done is going to be insane

[elfin hazel]

genre is unbelieveably different to how a game is coded and made

[violet wedge]

I'm guessing Ubisoft doesn't want to support this game enough and only does the bare minimum. That's the real issue here

[elfin hazel]

???

[deep flare]

Crossplay is in my opinion the better way to ensure that your playerbase (especially if it's not a big one) stay alive.

[elfin hazel]

they wouldn't have restarted dev if they didnt want to support it

let alone called it a massive brand