td2-general-chat

[tawny garden]

Yea but...all those holes and stuff
It was a virus outbreak but cities look like it was a massive earthquake or tsunami across the globe

But its fine. I like the look 😛

In DC it was said there was a flood tho

[real creek]

War does that to a city tho

[tawny garden]

Theres not really a war tho

[hybrid ore]

Very true.
plus NYC had a literal tornado go through Wall Street.

[tawny garden]

Its not like military went artillery strike shit

[hybrid ore]

There absolutely was war-like stuff going on beyond just riots.

[tawny garden]

But more like ground combat. Not war machinery rolling

[undone timber]

Bliss did have a gunship that he put to good use

[hybrid ore]

I don't see how there being no tanks means that the city should look pristine.

[tawny garden]

Its fine folks
Just admit its a bit overdramatically stylized even if its cool no shame in that 😛

[real creek]

Yeah there are mortars, tons of small arms fire, grenades, chemical warfare too.

[hybrid ore]

To an extent sure, it's a video-game and a Tom Clancy themed one at that. They're all dumb.
however: it's not black and white.

[tawny garden]

Yea still in case of virus outbreak cities would probably look more like 28 days later

Abandoned houses and cars. Dead people.

But more like ghost towns hauntingly empty

[hybrid ore]

28 days later had fire bombings.

[real creek]

Dead people right at the white house lol

[undone timber]

If anything I'm surprised the smell doesn't affect anyone

[hybrid ore]

The literal mountains of bodies around some buildings in NYC means that there should be at least a few plagues.

of rats if nothing else.

[tawny garden]

Oh hell this preditctions i think is spot on tho

This mass grave in WONY is scary

[hybrid ore]

The fact that there's dozens of them around the city if you look is worse.

[lapis junco]

I wouldnt call it overdramatic. bombs, artillery etc would wipe the entire city out, not leave it the way it is.

[tawny garden]

That we even run through those puddles

[hybrid ore]

I do a lot of walking tours around NYC and see stuff.
love me some MSV world design.

[lapis junco]

it looks pretty accurate for small scale wars

[hybrid ore]

Actually there's a really good example of this directly in DC: the area near where you get the Declaration of Independence has been firebombed.

the entire area is grey.

[undone timber]

For all the hate on Ubi the stuff they publish always have super rich open worlds

[hybrid ore]

MSV in particular, which is why I'm so hyped for Outlaws.
and (controversial opinion incoming) Watchdogs 1's map.

[tawny garden]

Tbh i dont think there was much dropping bombs. Sure some factions later on had conflicts and even used some stuff. But it probaly is more like gang wars.

Like i said - there probaly wasnt massively war machiners like artillery or bombers. Wouldnt make no sense. Its a virus outbreak nor conventional war.

[undone timber]

Personally I'm eager for Indiana Jones and the great circle

[frosty wadi]

Its took Breakpoint 2 years to add ambient birds into the environment

[hybrid ore]

So?

I swear this server sometimes.
"here's positive thing"
"yeah but what about negative thing"

[lapis junco]

Imma be honest with you places ridden with gang war look almost indentical to division 2s world

[frosty wadi]

Maybe don’t delete entire chatlogs

[lapis junco]

especially with what people have access to in the div world

[tawny garden]

I just wish they had more passion projects with strong writing. The technology side of things at Ubisoft is always top notch

[undone timber]

The true sons have (had) 2 GAU-8 avengers

[hybrid ore]

I've never deleted the entire chat-log.

that would take a long time.

[undone timber]

And (had) the iron horse

[lapis junco]

for the most part they have fairly strong open worlds and world design

[hybrid ore]

you can't even see the chat-log, why would you care if its been wiped?

[lapis junco]

Maybe they arent the best functionally but look and models are quite good

[hybrid ore]

Absolutely agreed.

Actually during WONY's day of release, I got the interaction bug and couldn't advance, so I wandered around the city for ages.

[tawny garden]

Odysseys open world was phenomenal - but empty or riddled with repetitive content.

[hybrid ore]

Disagree.

[frosty wadi]

I always thought the first watch dogs game looked good people just couldn’t get over the original reveal where its graphics were just insane

[lapis junco]

Divsion 1 did that too

[tawny garden]

Hm i think origins smaller scale did it more good than odysseys larger map for example

[undone timber]

Assassin's creed has always got really really nice maps

[hybrid ore]

I disliked Origins quite a lot.

[tawny garden]

._.

[hybrid ore]

A lot of people just like to endlessly whine about games by a specific company, justified in certain aspects or not.

[lapis junco]

they have a habit of really enhancing engine generated content and pushing expectations too high

[undone timber]

I don't like origins as much as others do even though it's supposed to be the good one in the levelled stuff era

[kind veldt]

ubi does feel like the company that gets one homerun and try to do the same thing 5 times in a roll until people get tired and leave so then they put effort into a new thing and loops back

[undone timber]

Syndicate was the last I enjoyed

[kind veldt]

quite happy they still have creative projects with new prince of persia and hilariously how good mario rabbits is

[tawny garden]

What i liked about Origins was its based story while keeping the pace relativetly linear and condensed. Odyssey i couldnt even finish because i was burned out by the scale

[undone timber]

Visually origins was pretty stunning and Egypt is massive but I just didn't like having to be forced to do a bunch of side content between each mission

Like a wholee bunch

[tawny garden]

I heard they are scaling back and go for more linear approaches again for the next titles more like old AC which i really look forward to

[undone timber]

Yeah mirage is getting closer to it

Haven't tried it personally

[tawny garden]

Yea same

I heard about AC codename "Hexe" during middleages and witchhunts in germany

that sounds damn interesting

[undone timber]

I'm cautiously excited about codename red

Because they're finally setting one in feudal japan

[tawny garden]

Yea was about time. Setting is a fan favorite for sure

[frosty wadi]

Its another rpg so its still questionable at best till gameplay is shown

[tawny garden]

Allrite back to division in this channel i guess

[kind veldt]

i wont lie

i like ninjas and think we ould have shurikens in game, or at least throwing knives

[real creek]

You'd be an undergrounder wouldn't you?

[hybrid ore]

The only faction to have flashlights.
underappreciated geniuses.

[kind veldt]

well i do think their jason looking heavy is scary even if not a real threath

dont reember do they even have snipers?

[hybrid ore]

Who needs snipers when you have a chainsaw?

aka: the most impractical melee weapon ever.

[real creek]

Bow and arrow snipers yeah

And guys who throw poison knifes at you.

[kind veldt]

they also have bow and arrows snipers?

thought that just outcasts had them

[real creek]

Wait, I think I'm confusing some. Who are the trash can lid shield guys who look like weeb ninjas?

[frosty wadi]

Those are nonfaction looters

[real creek]

Those guys were weebs I swear. Surprised they don't have katanas tho.

If they have them katanas and a voice line along the while you blah blah I trained with the blade line I'd lose my shit.

[small plume]

There's a tip to farm exotic weapon to deconstruct them??

[kind veldt]

projects can give you exotic mats, otherwise countdown is the fastest way by just buying caches

[undone timber]

Ain't they the undergrounders

[kind veldt]

no underground people use tank top, heavy gloves and what looks like digging gear

also i think they use AKs and FALs

[undone timber]

I only remember the chainsaw guy and their rushers being like one of the only poison sources

Or was it grenadiers

[tawny garden]

First time meeting this underground chainsaw man i shat my pants a tiny bit. I loved it. Gave me a bit of div1 contamined zones vibes
I really miss those and the more horror like aspects of div1

Man how i would love to get something like a haunted house mission

The tombs with theo parnell hat a little passage when you run into his holograms that was cool and a bit horror themed

I want mooorrree

😁

[undone timber]

I mean we do have Coney

[tawny garden]

yea was a bit too cheesy tho 😄

[undone timber]

Just wish codename nightmare went through

[dark sand]

Hey guys was wondering are the raids related to story

[kind veldt]

nope

[undone timber]

They're their own thing

[kind veldt]

same as incursion, a closed event

[dark sand]

oh really interesting are there .. any dialogue in the raids tho

Am interested .. gonna play right away

[wind turret]

Anyone noticing crazy lag on their server in PvE and PvP , OCE DZ is nearly unplayable

[inner elbow]

yeah, been hearing that from multiple people

it's terrible

looks like it's only localised to Aus server?

and it fixed itself now

[stable marlin]

lf mule carry , will return the favor PC / TwoScoops-

[unborn ravine]

Somehow, some way. They still had yet to fix corrosive damage on friendly NPC's.

[inner harness]

A small amount but only tied to the objective of the raid

[wind atlas]

dude in asian pc server its lagging like a hell

[fast bronze]

ugh

[quick hazel]

ISAC should tag me rogue at this point. Keener “could have” killed many with his Eclipse virus, but I’ve accidentally killed so many ads and civillians with this event.

[full zinc]

I think they made some silent adjustments since last reanimated.
The clouds dont seem to be causing a failure @ invaded space admin when defending the satellites like they were before

[robust zinc]

Hi guys... returning player from TD2... played it until WONY but then adulting came up.... looking if this is still active started to see recommended in algorithm and hopefully I can get enough time to play again

[full zinc]

Still active. Seasonal releases and dlc in production

[robust zinc]

I think I was checking out Marcostyle youtube back then and SkillUp when he still started

[robust zinc]

Awesome. I might check out the other DLCs and probably need to catch up in terms of how to play again

[hybrid ore]

You are actually in the div2 area of the server, #td1-general is for div1.

[bitter wraith]

Will we ever get more loadout slots? I have so many builds on my discord that I can't save in game because I ran out of slots

[elfin hazel]

no

[umbral kite]

from what i read they seems to have maxed the engine out (database, etc...) for stash size and loadout

[elfin hazel]

^ anything past what we have would start to be unstable for servers/save files

[wind atlas]

dude how long they gonna fix asian server the lag and bug are insane

[median mantle]

Lag turned into delta 3 .. game is unplayable atleast for Asian server

Can we change servers?

[umbral kite]

i think there is no method, they put you on the one closer to your geolocalisation, maybe with a vpn you can relocate

[azure lintel]

why the corrosive gas from killing with headshots in the reanimated event affects hostages in public execution...?

[broken solstice]

just be glad it doesnt kill you now too

[azure lintel]

I thought it would at first too lol

[broken solstice]

lol

[azure lintel]

but it's helpful to allies but somehow hostages in public executions aren't included

[broken solstice]

ohh cool i was under the impression it was sll friendlies getting hurt by the gas

[azure lintel]

only way I could secure a success was body killing them and kill them again so they won't spread the corrosive gas... but totally did it with further enemies lol

[broken solstice]

oh damn i was gonna suggest that hah

[vital aspen]

Any advice how to take down Sparkle from the manhunt?

[kind veldt]

Destroy the jammer first so you can use your skills, kill the other two dog then focus on him, keep moving and an extra wave of drones appears at half health

[tender wave]

Use a shield and get right up against it, most of the flames will go straight through you and it won't use the grenades

[kind veldt]

Oh and surprisingly it takes headshot damage if you aim at the lights on its "face"

[glad sapphire]

ΑΤ 252 SHD sKILL kILLS, looking for a fast/efficient method

[frozen meadow]

no clue what this is supposed to mean

[livid wind]

Global event right now. Need like 500 black tusk kills with a skill to max out one of the objectives.

[frozen meadow]

patience?

[azure lintel]

scratch that, it only helps players and kill all npcs, allied included... just tested in free roam encounter with those this random faction which use bow and arrows as ranged weapons

[runic kernel]

I would just wait until next week and run missions again until 60/60

500 shd kills is ridiculous even if easy

[frozen meadow]

or just xp grind the stars

[tender wave]

Like others said, just ignore it and do the speedruns in both weeks.
If you really want, I guess find an invaded mission with a nice cluster of enemies at the start and just mortar them then reset mission or something. Or possibly the old summit f10 oxidiser approach if you can get bt to spawn on that floor?

[livid wind]

oh i was just clarifying.

[tender wave]

Oh yeah, my bad - @glad sapphire see above

[full zinc]

Do you have 16 builds on all 4 of your agents? Up to 64 loadouts

[bitter wraith]

Wouldn't I have to move them across characters though?

[full zinc]

You would use certain builds on certain agents

Ofc you have to have items for each... but lots of loadout space if you put your mind to it

[frozen meadow]

a little bit confused how i got shot by an emp jammer

also farming summit solo is so fuckinbg boring

[umbral kite]

the problem with multiple agents is that you have to refarm for shd, expertise everything

[frozen meadow]

and nobody is matchmaking

[frozen meadow]

expertise is shared

shd level is shared between characters of the same kind, i.e. softcore/hardcore

[umbral kite]

oh really ? i tried in the past to create a fresh char and i had nothing

[frozen meadow]

you need to get to level 40 first :/

[umbral kite]

you need to reach a certain point with it for it to transfer ?

ohhh i see, i didn't knew that, thanks for the info

so you get this way more loadouts because they're per character but the stash is per account or something ?

[frozen meadow]

yes

[umbral kite]

gotcha

[full zinc]

No. Shared shd. Skills retain expertise across agent.
You will need to grind spec points which is really easy. Chances are there is enough gear on the main to gear a couple.

I'm pretty aware of the process as I run all 4 agents for projects and have pretty much duplicate builds on each .

Would be pretty easy for someone to have 1 dedicated to dps, 1 dedicated to skills/status type builds , and have 1 dedicated to pvp stuff. Leaving the 4th as a mule.
That would be 48 loadouts

[umbral kite]

sound good

[vital aspen]

I finally managed with Hard Wired, tier 6, shield, jammer pulse and max armor regen. Up close you don’t get damaged indeed.

[livid wind]

Is it not worth keeping a slot free to do 1-40 with a friend who's just starting for instance? I havent done co-op with a new player in a long time and i remember it being kinda wonky

[real creek]

I mean you can just delete and do that if the chance comes up. The 1-40 is pretty boring tho.

[full zinc]

It's really for 30-40 to duplicate the shd watch. You get all scavenging earned and available when you run a mule through wony

[frozen meadow]

who tf has a whole characvter dedicated to skill builds

[real creek]

Local?

[full zinc]

Someone who needs 64 loadouts

[livid wind]

I'm just worried about my friend that's gonna start soon from the beginning having a bad time with me joining as level 40

[full zinc]

Theyll be scaled up while you're in group. You'll be carrying the mission anyways

[frozen meadow]

thats just hoarding

[real creek]

Oh yeah you'll be boosting them 100%.

You can always just roll a new character tho.

[full zinc]

Sounds like you dont have enough skill builds 🤔

[real creek]

I just have the important skill builds.

[frozen meadow]

youre the type of person to make 5 different builds with 1 item difference

[full zinc]

I've got like 8 skill builds I generally use

Probably 2 that can count as a main skill tho

[full zinc]

I wasnt the person asking for more loadout space

[frozen meadow]

eight wtf

what are they

[full zinc]

I dont go through everything with a striker setup like some...

[frozen meadow]

how is goddamned nobody online rn for this

out of the 8 billion people in the world only 1 of them wants to do legendary summit

[real creek]

Why are you bent on playing lego summit?

[frozen meadow]

i need 13% pfe mods

because i have none

[umbral kite]

well i suppose alot of players are focusing the events

[real creek]

Summit is just ehhh.

[umbral kite]

and summit isn't very loved too right

[full zinc]

Idk. Few ep variants, hazpro cc, regular fire, regular foam, mortar, turret drone, skill dps, 2 fi variants for faraday and not...
Can remember if I have any more tbh

Hazpro ep /mortar are used often

[real creek]

So you use half your slots for variations?

[full zinc]

Yeah. You use all your slots for different speedrun setups, no?

[real creek]

Yeah but that's only if I'm actively speed running. Otherwise I pull in more builds.

[frozen meadow]

am i the only person with variety

should i just chance trying to get 6 13% mods at countdown

[umbral kite]

@full zinc what's your shd ?

[full zinc]

Too much

[umbral kite]

ahah yeah i bet it must be high you probably farmed the game to death

[hybrid ore]

The fact is that SHD beyond 1k (then 2k) does not matter one little bit.
You get nothing for it, except more mats when you do a WONY mats run.

[full zinc]

6400 hrs. I dont flex tho, shd kinda means nothing after 1k

[frozen meadow]

i think i might just chance it

there is damn near nobody in summit rn

[umbral kite]

yeah i know but it reflect playing time still

[hybrid ore]

Not really, there's been enough exploits around that there are players with low hours that have literal 10's of thousands of SHD levels.

[umbral kite]

oh i see

[hybrid ore]

IIRC the current "highest" is approaching half a million.

[full zinc]

What's your loadout list. I'm interested what variety looks like 😉

[umbral kite]

oh good lord

[frozen meadow]

brb

[hybrid ore]

striker with red, striker with red but grupo, striker with.....

[full zinc]

[frozen meadow]

Hazpro Tank
Jammer (for DH)
Healer
Elite Prot Tank
Hunter (HHF)
A&E
Healer Tank (dont ask)
Sniper
Ongoing
True Patriot
Cav Hazpro
CC
CD CC (hazpro CC)
Striker
Oxi
Create New

I really fucking badly want pretzels rn

[hybrid ore]

no backfire setup and no red fi?

[full zinc]

Lot of variety of tanks

[frozen meadow]

true pat is dps

[frozen meadow]

Cav hazpro

No red FI only blue FI

[hybrid ore]

No I mean a good one.

[full zinc]

Talking about the 3 tanks

[frozen meadow]

That doesn't exist

[umbral kite]

lol i don't ever uderstand 2/3 of those loadouts usage XD

[frozen meadow]

3 isn't a lot

[hybrid ore]

Arguably cav hazpro is a tank, because it sure isn't putting out damage.

[full zinc]

I've got 0. They are pretty useless outside of raid

[frozen meadow]

It has all reds

[frozen meadow]

Not true lol

[hybrid ore]

yeah but it also has cav

it's like being able to fly but dressing exclusively in cinder blocks.

[frozen meadow]

lemme calculate its dps

[hybrid ore]

I used that in an assignment in college once. quite proud of it tbh.

[frozen meadow]

6.8m

[full zinc]

I'm split between skill and dps for the most part some sniper/nego variants and a meta striker set

Atm I think my alts just have hazpro ep cc. Mortar , nego and striker both standard setups with oblit/ coyote, and regular hotshot/chainkiller/airaldi vig

[hybrid ore]

Oh loadouts? I've still got a ton of super old ones that I never took apart.

old FMJ, A&8, etc.

[frozen meadow]

wtf is fmj

[hybrid ore]

Newbie.

[frozen meadow]

?????

[hybrid ore]

it's the old name for Standard Red DPS. "Full Meta Jacket".

this is back before the striker takeover.

[frozen meadow]

idk i used to run rifle lol

[real creek]

First character is build for open world/legendary/incursion speeds/capitol hill legendary speeds. Second character has IH/DH builds with all the speed running builds. Third character is PVP and it has half of one build lol.

[frozen meadow]

i gotta test if they fixed FI yet

[real creek]

About the doc home thing with your blue FI?

[frozen meadow]

yes

[real creek]

Well they did fix the headshot drops kit thing, probably will still work on kill tho.

[frozen meadow]

it was broken with the drops kit

[real creek]

I mean you say broken but idk if you mean overpowered or if you mean some funk math or something.

[frozen meadow]

yup still, broken

[frozen meadow]

it shouldnt be insta healing me to full lol

[real creek]

Do those kits take your repair skill into account?

[frozen meadow]

no

the bug is the fact that FI is backfeeding it through itself

[frozen meadow]

what happens is when the kits reach players they get backfed through FI as outgoing healing which is then fed to nearby allies

basically its proccing FI when it shouldnt be

[cinder cloud]

didn't think that warhound convoy was going to end

[real creek]

Yeah if you have a wally spawn with the group it'll stay in the truck and cause them to keep spawning.

Some use it to farm GB event with a flame thrower.

[undone timber]

Someone said a little while back they fixed that

Idk whether it was here or other server

[frozen meadow]

I just verified they didn't

[undone timber]

Woooo

[still juniper]

make some! just last night i was craving salt and vinegar chips so i made an approximation of them with fries, malted vinegar, and salt

[frozen meadow]

No

[stuck sapphire]

I'll make the pretzels.

[frozen meadow]

I'm bored

[real creek]

Hi bored, I'm Souless.

[frozen meadow]

There's nothing happening in game rn

[undone timber]

where did it go?

[still juniper]

then make something to do

if you have no objective, make one, why do you think im always hunting some new build? without progression, play feels hollow

if there is no more progression, make progression

[frozen meadow]

I have no build to hunt

[still juniper]

make a cowboy build

[hybrid ore]

Do your Projects, I know you haven't finished them all.

[real creek]

Go PVP.

[frozen meadow]

No.

[real creek]

lol

[frozen meadow]

Nothing good comes out of pvp

[opal radish]

I am 5.11

[undone timber]

reanimated is prime time farming if you need stuff

[opal radish]

Wanna do manning?

[frozen meadow]

Clearly not in summit

[frozen meadow]

Already did it

What's TL for it today

[full zinc]

No xp in summit

[undone timber]

moreso SHD

[still juniper]

after i make my cowboy build id love to run the legend with yall

[real creek]

TL today

[undone timber]

if only dien could carry me

[opal radish]

Bruh that is another server

[real creek]

shhhh

[frozen meadow]

Ew holsters

[real creek]

Also they are in that server.

[full zinc]

Get on pc, pleb

[hybrid ore]

what server is that even?

if i dont have it, then what.

[frozen meadow]

Another server

[opal radish]

Get the links to join

[real creek]

TNC clan server. Someone post all the TL/project pics daily.

[undone timber]

but muh mini fridge😔

[hybrid ore]

A link to a private clan server, very useful.

[opal radish]

It's a community server iirc

[full zinc]

Works for me

[hybrid ore]

It's not the main community server, so no idea.

[real creek]

Not sure if you know panhandlemike but he is like one of the top DH clears people and helps tons do IH/DH raids.

[full zinc]

Tenacious server

[opal radish]

I thought that was corpsemaker

[hybrid ore]

I am 99% sure you are making these names up.

[full zinc]

No, legit

[opal radish]

No when you are in game check the dh leaderboard for clear

[real creek]

I'm not, he is very known for DH.

[opal radish]

He is at top with 10000 clears

[hybrid ore]

"oh yeah flabagabajeff, he's the top player in DZ for europe"

[undone timber]

sounds about right

[hybrid ore]

To be clear: I don't care about celebrities in our very small pond.

[real creek]

Not a celeb by any means, just a cool guy.

[opal radish]

Wut if I changed my name to cool guy

[undone timber]

the big ones on Xbox are notorious

[undone timber]

gotta main the 6pcs 5.11 before you do

[hybrid ore]

They're notorious if you know who they are, it should be noted.

[undone timber]

pinnacle of dps

[hybrid ore]

I guarantee you that most people here have no idea who any of these people are.

[still juniper]

im an amnesiac, i know who basically nobody is

[undone timber]

its mostly within the raid community

[full zinc]

Community isnt that huge . A lot if the people are pretty well known tbh

[hybrid ore]

I don't even go out of my way to avoid them, they just aren't a thing for me.

[still juniper]

also, is boomerang actually any good, or is it kinda shit

[full zinc]

Good

[hybrid ore]

Boomerang is probably the best rifle talent.

[stuck sapphire]

I have no idea who any of those people are.

[small spear]

on crit rifle build yeah

[real creek]

The question is do you play solo? Do some light MM? If that's your extent of gameplay then yeah you wouldn't know anyone probably.

[full zinc]

It either boomerang or flatline for me

[frozen meadow]

I prefer rifleman

[opal radish]

1886 with rifleman

[stuck sapphire]

I'd do some raids if i could matchmake into them. Stupidest thing they ever did.

[hybrid ore]

As I can not use a mic, it makes it rather tricky to get too deep into mic coordinated activities.

[undone timber]

They on pc

[real creek]

Eh I've run non verbal people tons of times.

[hybrid ore]

although I have done better with Raids in other games, div2 just isn't very chat friendly.

[opal radish]

Doesn't work good in legendary

[frozen meadow]

Matchmaking on raids would be absolutely abysmal and near impossible

[undone timber]

^

[real creek]

I can't imagine leading an IH raid with pure MM.

[undone timber]

every matchmade raid would be a train wreck

[umbral kite]

raids are pretty hard if you don't know much about them, matchmaking raid can be done, but it's often a recipe to disaster

[hybrid ore]

I mean, it's never going to be as good as a pre-made team, but I've played games where they're as complex (and longer) for Raids and matchmaking was fine enough.

[real creek]

Yeah but am I gonna find a MM raid that will be under an hour reliably? Probably not.

[frozen meadow]

Raids are not hard by any means they're just complicated

[umbral kite]

i don't remember are raid tuned between MM and pre-made to be less hard ?

[still juniper]

like destiny 2

[frozen meadow]

Wdym

[still juniper]

i matchmake for shit through their official site all the time and i find freindly, useful folks all the time

[hybrid ore]

Yep, all the des2 Raids, capping out at Garden.

[undone timber]

discovery raids are easier if that's what you mean

[frozen meadow]

Discovery raids are just glorified missions

[umbral kite]

like it's easier to beat in MM than pre-made teams like they do in wow where mobs hit less hard, have less hp, etc.... but you don't get as good as loots

[frozen meadow]

There is no matchmaking for normal raids

[small spear]

you're confusing mm with discovery

[opal radish]

Legendary mission are possible due to raw dps requii

[umbral kite]

ohhh right !

[still juniper]

i mean sure you find some dullards, but thats just how matchmaking goes

[stuck sapphire]

That is absolutely ridiculous and untrue. The amount of people that would do it would be substantial.

[undone timber]

in an 8 player raid them dullards hurt

[frozen meadow]

They wouldn't beat the first boss lmao

[small spear]

3 ftc raids:

[undone timber]

nah at best they'd kill grey and get derailed by fieser

[frozen meadow]

Hell discovery IH is difficult with matchmaking

No shot they have any chance at normal mode lmao

[stuck sapphire]

This game is not as complex as you think it is people.

[undone timber]

^ I've been in 3 and none of them got past fieser it was great

[real creek]

You underestimate the masses then.

[frozen meadow]

IH sure as hell is lmao

No shot you can do ih without coordination

[opal radish]

Dh is still doable for the most part

With chat

[stuck sapphire]

I Don't underestimate. They have voice chat and text in game for a reason.

[real creek]

DH I don't think would be crazy but IH boss 3... Man...

[opal radish]

And people follow instructions

[timber hatch]

Your also not doing boomer or razorback without some coordination you won't get with random matchmaking groups

[frozen meadow]

Doesn't mean people use it

[real creek]

So you've done IH how many times?

[undone timber]

try teaching diag to an FTC on the fly lol

[frozen meadow]

Seriously lmao

[umbral kite]

[frozen meadow]

I've done diag without mic once it was fucking hell

[hybrid ore]

Speaking as someone who has to solely rely on the text chat: it sucks.

[still juniper]

whats diag again?

[undone timber]

its such a stressful position

[frozen meadow]

Diagnostics 3rd boss IH

[small spear]

boss 3 hazpro tank role

[opal radish]

I have heard some blind people did ih

[umbral kite]

the foundry 3rd boss of ih

[timber hatch]

Diag is fairly easy tbh

[frozen meadow]

Echolocation

[hybrid ore]

it's genuinely not good and one of the biggest issues for accessibility.

[umbral kite]

diag isn't hard but without vocal it's harsh

[still juniper]

oh the one where you touch the button while on fire?

[real creek]

Wasn't the time like 3-4 hours?

[frozen meadow]

Yes

I've also done control room micless

[small spear]

bruh

[undone timber]

I've only done it twice so I guess you get used to it

[frozen meadow]

I was only able to do that because 1 I'm a fast af typer and 2 I've done it a few hundred times

[umbral kite]

as a colorblind man, alot of those raids mecanics are out of my reach ahah

[stuck sapphire]

I mean. People won't learn unless they're able to do it. I dunno why some of y'all are against the idea. I definitely think you should have to clear the raid on story like 5 times in order to queue for it regularly.

[still juniper]

i always just get put on a button and told to kill whatever moves

[frozen meadow]

A new player has no damned shot

[frozen meadow]

How many times have you beaten ih on normal mode

[still juniper]

same, its so annoying when they say "red" instead of "fire"

[real creek]

Story Discovery is just not like the raid at all tho.

[undone timber]

completing the raid on discovery is worse

[real creek]

It's a bad "teaching" tool.

[opal radish]

Completing it on solo is not

[small spear]

discovery isn't indicative of how hard normal is

[timber hatch]

Story mode really only teaches people the wrong mechanics, like teaching them they can leave circles/plates/gens on razorback, it's really not helpful

[undone timber]

as in it teaches bad habits

[umbral kite]

i kinda agree about that, it was a cold shower after doing raids on discovery when i went for the real thing

[frozen meadow]

@opal radish im coming online rn

[opal radish]

Got it

[real creek]

I 100% think this guy has never tried to run 4+ FTCs thru IH on normal.

[stuck sapphire]

Then that is the dev faults entirely.

[frozen meadow]

how many times have you beaten ih on normal mode

[umbral kite]

game definitly has its flaws in design for sure

[undone timber]

even if you get a band of skilled players I doubt many are gonna have the right builds on hand

[hybrid ore]

They have a point. Discovery Mode should not exist in its current form.

it's confusing to newbies.

[stuck sapphire]

Haven't on normal. Can't queue for them. That is why. I want. Matchmaking. People.

[frozen meadow]

they probably had to dumb it down beyond belief for matchmaking

[frozen meadow]

so you have no clue how difficult it is and are just blindly thinking you can do it with matchmaking... wow

[heavy prism]

I like discovery

[small spear]

then you should not speak of how matchmaking normal is a good idea

[timber hatch]

I don't see it like that at all. I'm very glad to have content that requires communication and coordination, more than just "kill everything in this room". It's how you can increase difficulty without just increasing the damage output and health bars of enemies

[hybrid ore]

Eevee, tone it down a bit.

[undone timber]

I can direct you to my raid group if you like

[still juniper]

i think discovery should act as a tutorial, explaining roughly how mechanics work but not outright explaining all the things you need to know, so you still have some discovering but you understand roughly waht to do

[undone timber]

you can get a taste of the complexity

[real creek]

We are talking to someone with 0 experience...

[stuck sapphire]

Oh thay would be lovely thank you.

[frozen meadow]

the problem is to introduce matchmaking you really do have to just remove half the mechanics

[still juniper]

i would also like that

[frozen meadow]

@opal radish join me

[stuck sapphire]

You know, the fact thay half of you are reacting like elitists is part of the reason people don't wanna do raids. Tis a tad toxic.

[undone timber]

we on xbox

[frozen meadow]

???????

[real creek]

Really tho how would you make discovery a good teaching tool?

[still juniper]

no, i mean matchmaking works normally, but discovery is basically training exercises, explaining the basics of the most important mechanics but not precisely how they work

[frozen meadow]

you really cant

[opal radish]

I am farming 5.11 btw

[frozen meadow]

right

but then its just a coop tutorial

[opal radish]

If you see any pcs with headshot handling drop for me

[umbral kite]

i would love that the discovery mode is actually kinda sorta a bot replay of the raid and you can stop/play/pause, switch between views and you have explanatory panels that appears at each steps to explain what you have to do, kinda like a guide on YT but even better

[still juniper]

yeah, thats what people need

[cinder terrace]

I agree, that one raid where you have to use comms to say which boilers were colored green or something (it’s been a while) but that was a super cool idea

[frozen meadow]

ig

[cinder terrace]

Never beat it tho

[iron gust]

Mm on normal for dark hours should be a thing but definitely not for iron horse lol

[real creek]

Bro I teach people raids/incursions all the time. All this talk is coming from a place of experience.

[frozen meadow]

you wouldnt pass 2nd boss lol

[stuck sapphire]

So have all the same mechanics in normal mode. Lower the stats so that people with unoptimised gear can do it with a decent challenge. Then normal mode can be made to have higer incentives.

Other MMOs have been doing this for years.

[small spear]

it's more that you lack perspective on the topic you want to discuss

[frozen meadow]

the issue isnt the difficulty its the coordination

[opal radish]

This

[neon wyvern]

The coordination is the difficulty

[iron gust]

Eh people would adapt quickly, incursion proves that

And I don't think raids are that popular anymore

[frozen meadow]

you need everyone to follow instruction for IH, and thats damn near impossible in matchmaking

[hybrid ore]

I'm seeing a lot of "mics should be required" in here, but not a lot of discussion on what the answer is if someone can't use one for numerous reasons.

[frozen meadow]

incursions can be carried

[timber hatch]

They implemented discovery as a way so people who didn't want to go on comms and communicate, or have optimized builds could do it. So players who just want to matchmake with randoms with whatever gear can go through. That's what it is.

What it isn't is a teaching mode

[hybrid ore]

And the answer can't be "you just can't play that content".

[still juniper]

like someone being a mute?

[hybrid ore]

it's just mute, not a mute.

but sure that.

[umbral kite]

well at least listening, but if the person is deaf maybe some kind of voice plugin that transcribe in real time, with AI we should be able to do that now

[still juniper]

i thought it was a mute

[hybrid ore]

It's not.

or any of the few dozen reasons that they can't or find it difficult.

[still juniper]

like a leper, or an electrician

[frozen meadow]

you can do the raid easily without a mic

you just need to be coordinated

[stuck sapphire]

Oxymoron tbh

[frozen meadow]

dont call me that >:c

[hybrid ore]

not deaf, I'm specifically talking about unable to speak either fully or clearly enough to work in the Raid.

[heavy prism]

When w101 requires full guild of 12 yet people don't complain

[umbral kite]

well if you don't take on a huge role, just listening is plenty enough i think

[undone timber]

you totally could if you're fine with just doing doors and certain mechanics

[frozen meadow]

well ive done diag/control room without a mic

its totally doable

[umbral kite]

yes but you had to listen at least i think no ?

[frozen meadow]

ye

but if people all did text chat its doable

[undone timber]

then again you'd need a good group for that

[hybrid ore]

Again, just talking about speaking, not about being deaf.

mute and deaf are not always linked.

[umbral kite]

yeah i think listening is the bare minimum at least for IH, but everything is doable, as i said above even having a TTS plugin or something

[still juniper]

i wonder, is a melee build possible?

[frozen meadow]

no

[hybrid ore]

only kinda.

[frozen meadow]

in pvp yes in pve no

[umbral kite]

indeed indeed

[still juniper]

like, crusader shield, shocker punch, saint elmo's, and a tank build?

[frozen meadow]

no elmo

lady death

[still juniper]

oh yeah, lady death

isnt there a high end holster that gives more melee damage too?

[hybrid ore]

I can confirm that does work, but it would still be nice if there was some more accessibility options.
a text-chat wheel of canned responses is something that I've been pushing for in div2 for a long time.

[hybrid ore]

Claws Out, has a Doom 2016 reference on it.

[still juniper]

yeah, use that with bloody knuckles and lady death

[undone timber]

that would definitely help

[still juniper]

RIP AND TEAR

[undone timber]

even more so if it was tailor made to encounters in the more complex missions

[frozen meadow]

claws out

[hybrid ore]

Even if you used every single advantage with a melee build, it would still have the basic issue of any melee build: having to go over to kill them.

[umbral kite]

interesting, as i suggested earlier a nice TTS plugin for discord voice + another one to talk back to people would be interesting too, i wonder if that exist

[frozen meadow]

claws out, sacrifice, FP/CG, lady death, 3pc walker

[umbral kite]

with AI voice modulation imagine what we could do nowadays

[frozen meadow]

id rather not

[hybrid ore]

TTS wasn't that great the last time I looked into it, especially in games. And a lot of the good ones cost a LOT of money.

but the wheel is a basic solution that I am kinda shocked more games don't implement.

[umbral kite]

true true

hell, lots of games don't even include colorblind option or the implementation is shit, and it's ~9% of the male playerbase....

[undone timber]

fortunately this game has a couple modes

[umbral kite]

we need more of those options for sure

yes the options in TD2 aren't too bad (for colorblindness)

[still juniper]

should i use a double barrel or an m870e

[real creek]

For your themed build go with the side by side.

[torpid tendon]

Scorpio

[still juniper]

no, none of that

[umbral kite]

😂

[still juniper]

the options are a pump action or a coachgun

[frozen meadow]

M870e

[real creek]

For anyone reading his question it's a HHF/DCH/Reg build that's cowboy themed.

[frozen meadow]

literally m870e

[hybrid ore]

regulus, 1886, g36.
time travelling cowboy.

complete the setup with wearing all western outfit, and those cyber sunglasses.

[undone timber]

in the Westworld universe that could totally be a thing

[frozen meadow]

@undone timber how do you farm floor 90

do you leave one enemy alive?

[hybrid ore]

brb, making a Yul Brynner alt.

[stuck sapphire]

Your mission has changed agent, leave nothing alive.

[undone timber]

kill everything then game end yourself if you want mats and things

[frozen meadow]

does that work for loot or no

[undone timber]

if you want boss loot just kill boss if he doesn't have what you want then go to lobby and come back

[frozen meadow]

ok

[hybrid ore]

Oh god please no Lotus, I had already finished 2 vaults.

and its a sharkwing!

[undone timber]

if he had a modern firearm it would've been over for the guests

[stuck sapphire]

Now do the sortie with only a machete!!!!

Lol.

I hope more shotgun gearsets come our way

[hybrid ore]

.....I will not confirm or deny that I did that when the good machete stance first dropped.

[stuck sapphire]

Respect.

[hybrid ore]

☮️ .
shotgun gearset, interesting. ideas beyond "scorpio ducttaped to a strikers"?

[undone timber]

lonestar🫣

[kind veldt]

a new gear set you mean?

[stuck sapphire]

Hmmm. I do think the scorpio needs to be slightly toned down. I would say a higher stagger rate for shots, higher damage buff the closer to an enemy you are, higher damage boost for more elite enemies. Regain armor equivalent or at a lesser rate than the damage you do to incentivise being insane and being point blank to elites.

[umbral kite]

don't touch our scorpy !

[full zinc]

any shotgun set would probably just turn into another headhunter variant

[hybrid ore]

"removes headshotdamage"
try basing one with that caveat.

[stuck sapphire]

Maybe, maybe not.

[stuck sapphire]

That could work

[undone timber]

muh LS

[small spear]

crit headhunter shotgun let's go

[real creek]

HH would still work as long as there is enough damage lol

[full zinc]

you know they would break half the gear trying something like that 🤣

[hybrid ore]

Didn't they do that in div1?

i seem to recall something similar.

[stuck sapphire]

Not if it's for a specific gearset

[kind veldt]

deadEYE

[undone timber]

deadeye yes

[kind veldt]

snipers lost headshot got guaranteed crits

[hybrid ore]

that sounds about right.

that's what i want as the div2 rifle gearset

[stuck sapphire]

Remember 80% damage mitigation? I member.

[undone timber]

guaranteed crits with boomerang sounds nuts

[hybrid ore]

I remember having then losing DtE mods and I'm still a little salty.

[kind veldt]

anyhow back to writting shotgun gear set

[undone timber]

although classified deadeye still incentivised hitting heads

[kind veldt]

classified were wacky in general

[hybrid ore]

You know what, tie the Deadeye in div2's chest to the classified headshots bit and that'll make people pick between headhunter and that benefit.

[stuck sapphire]

Fuck. It. Make predator's mark effects part of a shotgun gear set.

[tawny garden]

DeadEye was my favorite. Miss it dearly

[hybrid ore]

make the backpack more critty, then people get a choice between a chest or a bp

so its not advisable to have both.

[undone timber]

on a rifle build it could work but it was essentially just rifleman with crit damage

actually come to think of it deadeye being reworked into a rifle set sounds fun

[tawny garden]

At this point i would take anything if its just a rifle set.
Its so boring rifles only have a classic yellow as the only viable build

[hybrid ore]

basically my goal out of this is more build variation than what is standard. Multiple even ways to make a build.

right now a lot of builds boil down to "use the same handful of talents" and pick between those and usually no gearset backpack/chest.

[still juniper]

ive almost finished the cowboy build

[tawny garden]

Such a deadeye rifle build you guys brainstormed would be AWESOME for a diamondback!

[stuck sapphire]

Go bonkers with them

[still juniper]

all i need is a backpack

[tawny garden]

Jesus christ i want that

[still juniper]

also, whats a good shotgun perk, reformation?

[stuck sapphire]

I want the nomad gearset back...

[real creek]

With enough skill/power creep any build is viable...

[undone timber]

guaranteed crits with no headshot multiplier sounds fun

was bad in div1 pve meta but could work way better in div2

[kind veldt]

Shock trooper
2 piece: 20% shotgun damage
3 piece: +1 shield skill tier & 15% crit chance
4 piece: While using a shield you slowly get bonus armor over time to a max of 25%, while you have bonus armor all your headshot damage is converted into crit damage instead. Kills increase the rate you get bonus armor

Backpack: Increase rate you get bonus armor and the max to 50%
Chestpiece: Double the conversion of headshot into crit damage.

[still juniper]

naval, whats a good shotgun perk

[stuck sapphire]

How about a reverse striker set?

[undone timber]

pummel

[kind veldt]

there you go a new shotgun gear set

[small spear]

intimidate goes hard

[still juniper]

for the double barrel?

[undone timber]

or fast hands

[stuck sapphire]

You deal less damage per hit, but if you hit a certain amout of shots on something within a set time-frame you deal a high set of flat true damage.

[undone timber]

oh double barrel probably optimist or just use the boomstick

[still juniper]

wait hunters fury isnt what i was looking for

[kind veldt]

boomstick is probably better

[still juniper]

this isnt the one that stacks damage as i get hits

[undone timber]

striker won't work with your build

[still juniper]

no?

wel wait, whats the backpack perk for HF?

[kind veldt]

double barrel only fires two shots fast, not good for building striker that fast

[undone timber]

you wont be able to build stacks

[kind veldt]

backpack increases the range of confusing effect after you kill an enemy

[undone timber]

all your stuff is super slow

[kind veldt]

double barrel it's not really interesting to run outside of the novelty, they quickly fall off when youplay in groups as they scale really badly

[undone timber]

pretty good in pvp but pve for sure

[umbral kite]

what's your prefered activity for that reanimated event to run ?

[small spear]

anything that probably doesn't involve friendly NPCs

[umbral kite]

oh yeah i heard there was some kind of bug

[small spear]

yeah the cloud kills friendlies

[umbral kite]

like npc getting killed by corrosive debuf

ah right right

[undone timber]

suffering from success

[umbral kite]

ahah

[frozen meadow]

i mean canonically it makes sense

[umbral kite]

yes i suppose friendlies shouldn't be immune to external effects like explosions, fire and stuff

[full zinc]

Except that the cloud heals you

[umbral kite]

wait what ?

[full zinc]

Green cloud replaces armor

[umbral kite]

i see

[tawny garden]

Something like that is an idea i had before aswell and i think could work nicely. Basically you would want the slowest rpm gun to make as much use of the mechanic

[umbral kite]

is that intended ?

[full zinc]

Just fcks up your friendlies

Yes heal is intended

[umbral kite]

i see, so yeah it's bugged for friendlies then ahah

[stuck sapphire]

It is a nice concept. They need to start having gearsets provide for group buffs as well.

[umbral kite]

if you max out the points you got in the events (got all rewards and such) does the event goes indefinitly can you still gather points or it's the end ?

[small spear]

you can still get more stars, they come from levels

you can even just ignore the challenges

[umbral kite]

oh i see, thanks for the info

[stuck sapphire]

Leveling is so easy in the game.

[real creek]

Yeah up to 30 SHD per hour isn't too hard.

[frozen meadow]

@small spear you remind me of barbecue sauce

[timber hatch]

What are you doing to get 30 shd an hour?

I haven't bothered farming exp in ages, but generally speaking that seems high

[real creek]

I'm doing navy plaza on reset. Typically I can clear and reset in around 3 minutes during this GE it'll be faster for sure, hitting that 30 SHD shouldn't be too hard with this GE.

[small spear]

or just HHF constitution hall bounties

[wise wigeon]

In current season, there are no changes in build from Y5 S2?

[real creek]

That requires prep lol

[real creek]

Which build we talking about here?

[wise wigeon]

build that are mentioned in this notes: https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/client/snv?isnewsnv=true&noteGuid=5a09344e-6227-f355-6f66-1e59fde12e4e&noteKey=3ed7ecb4cec3748aee201d144c628ff6&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs588%2Fsh%2F5a09344e-6227-f355-6f66-1e59fde12e4e%2F3ed7ecb4cec3748aee201d144c628ff6&title=Build%2BGuide%2BCollection

[small spear]

just a duo mate is fine

[real creek]

Prep as in a stock of bounties from doing pub executions.

[small spear]

yeah

[real creek]

Most of those are updated although the descriptions aren't I guess?

[small spear]

just do them when you get them. it's really transparent to me tbh

if i run out of pub execs and bounties i just do whatever until they come back

like CPs as you said

[real creek]

Big prepper.

[wise wigeon]

Thanks man i will recheck all of my build with those now 🙂

[timber hatch]

For whatever reason the display of that link doesn't update, but the links to the guides themselves are the same, so they are updated.

When you open the links it'll say the current update in them

[real creek]

Would you have to redo the entire thing for it to update or something?

[timber hatch]

I think I'd just need to copy/paste the links again and it would update

[wise wigeon]

Cool thank for clearing my confusion 🙂

[livid wind]

How does that work

[shy musk]

i think he speedruns navy plaza, captures it, then resets control points to do it all over again

[dark sand]

how did you know .. there is no proof

[shy musk]

thats why i said i think

[dark sand]

I am what you made me

[shy musk]

😨

[dark sand]

Leo: you have done that yourself

[livid wind]

wild

[real creek]

I mean that is how I do it. No trickery.

This GE is just broken, a chainkiller and a determined D50 is all one needs to run 5D heroic and shoot as fast as you can pretty much.

[thick galleon]

I'm trying to get all the comms from the old manhunt, but is there a faster way to get them instead of repeating the mission 20 times? I mean, I miss all 20 comms from the concealed agenda, do I have to run coney island 20 times?

[azure lintel]

One here with shdlvl 110639. What the..

[cinder terrace]

Pov my Xbox account

[azure lintel]

Yeah its on xbox .I play there now

[cinder terrace]

I’m so sad cross progression doesn’t exist

[azure lintel]

Agreed. Im clanless on xbox. Shdlv 1215

[real creek]

Be the change you want to see. Start that clan.

[azure lintel]

Haha, nah dont want to start a clan.

[real creek]

Wanna be in a clan tho...

[broken solstice]

The change i want to see is a cashier accidentally giving me back all my money for the item I just bought and I get to keep it..

Wait that did happen lol some dude at guitar center hooked me up for no reason

[cinder terrace]

Use a gun

[real creek]

Naw, how are we gonna turn billionaires into trillionaires doing that?

[broken solstice]

True

Fr tho I never even met this guy and he gave me a full refund on my way out. Still not sure if it was a mistake but he had mischievous eyes

[cinder terrace]

Probably was about to quit the job

[broken solstice]

Good call that's probably it

[azure lintel]

Damn this skill build is good with striker drone & assault turret. I just stand there and clapping while they do the work on solo heroic

[fervent obsidian]

👍

[fiery cloud]

Hey Souless

[dark sand]

need that build

[fading gazelle]

im doing the battery park league activities...how to do black tusk disrupted pls?

[small spear]

use jammer

[swift temple]

When does the incursion chest reset? I thought everything reset on tuesday (EU)

[real creek]

Incursion resets 24 hours before the normal reset. idk why, no one does.

[swift temple]

Yeah, such a mess. Just have one reset day

[real creek]

Maybe one day, or the day after.

[swift temple]

And it didnt reset for me. Not sure why

I opened the chest I think it was Friday or something. Hasnt reset. So not sure what is going on

[timber hatch]

I think it's closer to 36 hours

[real creek]

I think it's different per person actually but that's just even harder to explain.

[primal skiff]

Man its always a satisfying feeling to see a Lev 40 agent fery over and start shd journey

[sullen canyon]

Is the iron lung good?

[still juniper]

hey soulless, how do i make my shotgun instantly kill enemies

im tired of shooting someone directly in the face with a shotgun, and they wear no helmet, and they just live

[real creek]

You need headhunters up first.

A full HH stack on an M870 will do around 40-60 mil I think.

[still juniper]

how much damage is even required to instantly kill an enemy on heroic

i dont use a m870e, i use a double

[real creek]

solo heroic is 9,894,612 health for a normal type elites.

[still juniper]

so 10 mil is the mark

assuming a base damage of 1.3-1.4 mil, will stuff like headshot mult and HF get me there

[real creek]

ez

[still juniper]

how much even is the HF mult

[real creek]

20% amp

[still juniper]

whats amp mean

like, it applies after all other improvements?

[small spear]

it's a little bit complex for headhunter

[real creek]

It's amplification or a total multi.

[small spear]

at max hh stacks it's a bit less than that

[still juniper]

do you think ill be able to reliably hit 10 mil once i get stuff like my crusader shield involved?

assuming base damage of like, 1.3-1.4 million?

[small spear]

crusader doesn't buff damage, firewall shield does

[still juniper]

isnt firewall the crusader shield?

[small spear]

no

[still juniper]

i thought firewall was crusader, base shield was the other

[small spear]

it's the last shield variant

crusader is default half shield

striker is firewall shield

[still juniper]

you'd think its the other way around

[small spear]

but you should be one-shotting them easily

[still juniper]

but still, once i egt stuff like strike shield, headshot, and HF involved will i kill shit instantly?

i want biblically accurate 12 gauge lol

[small spear]

again, yes with hh stacks

if you lose stacks you need more

[still juniper]

how about pre HH stacks

[small spear]

you can't

[still juniper]

also, how do i make my shotgun more accurate

[small spear]

weapon handling

more accurately (pun intended) accuracy

[celest marten]

snitch bugged or something

can't find him anywhere in the usual spots

[still juniper]

how do i stack accuracy on a shotgun, and which shotgun is inherently the most accurate

[real creek]

How far are you trying to be here??

[still juniper]

yknow the distance from the sandbags to the group TTK trial in the shooting range?

about that far, however far that is is ideal shotgun distance for me

[kind veldt]

Ironically shotgun with best accuracy is double if you are standing still at cover

I say that because it has the worst range

[real creek]

Not gonna reliably happen tho.

[timber hatch]

To actually use it for damage? I'm not sure if it's technically the most accurate, but as far as landing a pellet consistently at very far ranges to proc opportunistic, the Scorpio has always been the most effective to me

[still juniper]

that shotgun being?

[kind veldt]

Braced talent drasticly increased any shotgun accuracy

[still juniper]

it always fucking comes back to scorpio, doesnt it

[timber hatch]

It's stupid good, like one of top 3 guns in the game and one of two I'd like to see nerfed

[kind veldt]

Regular m870 and super have good range and accuracy

[still juniper]

oh good, is that a talent on a specific shotgun or can it be on anything, including my coachgun

[kind veldt]

None has the range you really want

[kind veldt]

Chestpiece

[still juniper]

whats a shotgun damage weapon for about that distance

[still juniper]

ohhhh, ono

[kind veldt]

At moa you will be making shotguns work outside of their original range

[still juniper]

moa?

[kind veldt]

Most*

[still juniper]

whats a shotgun damage weapon good for about that distance

[kind veldt]

None is the answer

[still juniper]

there isnt one?

[broken solstice]

you gotta wait till you see the whites of their eyes

[still juniper]

man, why are shotguns always shooting pixie dust past 5 feet, that is not how fucking shotguns work

[broken solstice]

yeah. for balance or whatever

[kind veldt]

Video games, dont think too much

I mean its kinda hilarious how they have damage to armor

[still juniper]

i just want one game where shotguns arent treated as melee weapons

[real creek]

Shotguns OP irl and would break balance in any game replicated.

[still juniper]

give me an accurate fucking shotgun for once

[kind veldt]

Crisis 1

[real creek]

How would you even balance slug shotgun shells?

[still juniper]

slug shot shells are basically just MMR rounds

[kind veldt]

Sniper with lower range but higher power

[real creek]

Just don't get started on the TAC 50 damage...

[kind veldt]

Rising storm 2 had some nasty shotguns, sniping people at 100m+ with slugs

[still juniper]

thats always bugged me, why does it have shit damage, its a fucken .50 caliber sniper rifle

[real creek]

Also don't start on the fact you can't shoot past like 100m in this game or whatever it is.

[kind veldt]

I feel that sometimes people just want ghost recon and bought division instead

[still juniper]

whats ghost recon

[kind veldt]

Another ubi game

[real creek]

Well division and GR are apparently both "tactical shooters" so idk

[still juniper]

does it have accurate shotguns that actaully act like shotguns?

[kind veldt]

Its the tom clancy juice ubi squeezes from time to time

[real creek]

Uh probably? I've played most of them but prefer ars/smgs personally.

[kind veldt]

More range than division

[real creek]

Yeah it's easy to pop shots at like 6-8 hundred meters.

[kind veldt]

Is where people who want to dress up as soldiers go, at the same time it suffered a lot more due bad ubi management

[still juniper]

slug shotguns?

[real creek]

idk I'm booting up breakpoint right now

[kind veldt]

Dont think you have slugs shotguns in there

[still juniper]

div 2 needs a gearset that gives shotguns slug rounds

[kind veldt]

Eh ...

Then you are just getting the same thing as lever action rifle

[still juniper]

well of course you disagree, you're a birdshot enjoyer

[real creek]

Pellets but at 125 meters I was able to 1 shot all three guys I was shooting.

[still juniper]

ok that game sounds awesome, is it sorta like the division?

[kind veldt]

I just told you how i sniped people with slugs on rising storm

I just think slugs here would be a drastic change without changing much

[still juniper]

i dont think they should be as concerned with balance as they are, its a pve game

[kind veldt]

How different would a SPAS 12 with slugs be from just using the 1886 lever action rifle

[still juniper]

be more like helldivers, i play PVE to feel like a fucking legend and stomp whatever im fighting into the ground

[still juniper]

very, the levergun is a levergun, the shotgun is a shotgun, much better stagger with slightly less range

[kind veldt]

You both have small magazine slow action guns that reload by shot focused on aiming for the head without using scopes

[still juniper]

yeah but one is a shotgun

[left fjord]

I just cant find a set of guns I like......

[still juniper]

which set of guns would that be lad

oh

[left fjord]

I want to like smgs, guns, rifles, etc but can't find the right ones

[still juniper]

do you want high firerate or high damage

[left fjord]

Both lol

[still juniper]

git gud with an MMR and you can kinda have both

[full zinc]

elmo probably gonna be the most forgiving for crit builds. has good mods and is a laser. decent close or far, fits on 90% of dps setups . on something like nego it pairs well with m1a cqb

[hybrid ore]

For anyone who's struggling to find groups today: make sure that you have the GE (Global Event) active.
same goes for any week where there's one. Most players will be playing with it on.

[tawny garden]

hm did the summary get disabled for Countdown?
all the stats say 0 the third time now

[frozen meadow]

what the fuck did they do for floor 100

[undone timber]

Can't sit in the lobby anymore

[frozen meadow]

illegal

[undone timber]

Should've patched out gate strat the same way smh

[still juniper]

wasnt it always hard as balls?

[hybrid ore]

Before you could hide in the first area and cheese it.
People have discovered now that you can no longer cheese it.

Still 100% doable.

[still juniper]

i only recently hit 100th floor with dien and a handful of other folks, i thought it was always hard as fuck

[tawny garden]

oh what? they got rid of that?

[hollow hill]

me laughing with my armor strikers Scorpio shotgun + riot foam and blinder firefly

[undone timber]

If you're in a group you can still oxi it

Works like a charm

[tawny garden]

I would have never finished floor 100 on legendary if it wasnt for that room tbh :))

[hybrid ore]

The first week or so Summit was out, you could only play it on Legendary, before they changed how difficulty worked in Summit.

even back then the final area was doable if you didn't hide in the first room.

[hollow hill]

I'm so glad I wasn't around when that was a set thing 💀

[frozen meadow]

how do you message someone in game

[still juniper]

hey riv, what is, in your opinion, the best long gun

[frozen meadow]

i forget

[tawny garden]

long gun? 😄

[hybrid ore]

I'm not really sure what a "long gun" is in this context.

[tawny garden]

Tac90

[hybrid ore]

whisper, I forget if the / is before or after

[still juniper]

the long guns, like an m870, a levergun, any assault rifle, just any long gun

[frozen meadow]

thank fuck

[still juniper]

you got handguns, signature weapons, skills, and long guns

[frozen meadow]

its /w lol i forgot the word

[hollow hill]

Assuming snipers, I'd have to say the SR-1 or the bolt action I forget the one

M700 I think

[still juniper]

not sniper specific, just any long gun

[tawny garden]

There is no "best" tho
It depends on your build and the purpose - some are better than others tho

[still juniper]

the best one for killing shit

[hybrid ore]

@hollow hill model 700 is the highest damage sniper, m700 is like 4th or 5th, yes it's confusing.

[tawny garden]

Same answer.

[hybrid ore]

It depends entirely on your build.

[still juniper]

assuming you can pick any supplementary build, exotics included, the best gun for killing as many things as possible

[hybrid ore]

Nothing in div2 exists in a vacuum. I'm sure I've told you that before.

[hollow hill]

Yeah that high damage one 😭 too many names that are so close but guns are so different

[tawny garden]

Depends on what you want to kill

[undone timber]

You can kill many things in short periods of time in many ways

[tawny garden]

One build can be strong against one thing and bad against something else

[still juniper]

everything, bosses, elites, preferably very, very fast

[undone timber]

Entirely depends on build and encounter

[hollow hill]

In that case, I'd just go Ouroboros

[hybrid ore]

I 100% read that in Homer's "thinking about Unions" monologue.

[tawny garden]

Okay then all around - probably a striker build with Ouroboros

[hollow hill]

Yeah sure it's not a long gun, but it kills the quickest

[still juniper]

its not a handgun, so it is a long gun

[undone timber]

😭

[undone timber]

But what if it's not long

[hybrid ore]

If the longer the gun is the stronger it is, then the tac-50 is probably able to 1-hit Godzilla.

[still juniper]

longer than a handgun

[undone timber]

Oreo is a smol boi

[hollow hill]

For some reason I wanna slap Ouroboros on hunters fury now

[tawny garden]

@hybrid ore What the longest short gun? :B

[hybrid ore]

Oh easy: d50

good pocket sniper.

[hollow hill]

Would Prophet work as well?

[still juniper]

ah but it IS bigger than a handgun, making it a long gun on a technicality

plus it goes in one of 2 long gun slots

[hollow hill]

Regulus and Liberty are obvious ones but I wonder about prophet

[still juniper]

even if its a short long gun, its a long gun

[undone timber]

Tec 9:

[still juniper]

it goes in the long gun slot, its a long gun

though i do think it should be a pistol

[hollow hill]

A scorpion exotic pistol would be so badass

Like I mean scorpion machine pistol

[still juniper]

a EVO-Skorpion exotic handgun would be awesome

[full zinc]

😂 they made it it just the way you like it, a good challenge

[still juniper]

like, literally just a handgun with the stats of an SMG? fucking based, i would kill for that

[frozen meadow]

its not a challenge it just means i have to run foam lol

[frosty wadi]

So you want an smg, thats not in the smg slot, thats weird for no reason

[still juniper]

it would be cool

[hollow hill]

I said this earlier!! Striker Scorpio shotgun with riot foam and blinder firefly is such a good strat

[frosty wadi]

Not really

[still juniper]

the sawn is just a shotgun thats not in the long gun slot, the regulus and D50 are just rifles in the pistol slot, why not an SMG in the pistol slot?

[frosty wadi]

Also you asking for an evo scorpion?? You mean the scorpion evo? The gun thats very much not pistol sized

[still juniper]

there is precedent

[full zinc]

thats what i did as well. hazpro ep locks everything down for dps agents

[hollow hill]

In that case I wanna dual wield AK-47's

[still juniper]

ok being dead honest, an LMG classed weapon that was dual wielding an automatic pistol or pistol sized rifles would be amazing, just like the rikers rusher enemies do

[frosty wadi]

My man div2 is a video game but it ain’t halo 2

[still juniper]

cmon, we need some true innovation in our armaments

what we got just aint fucken doing it for us, give us something unique and amazing

[hollow hill]

The damage they do is ridiculous... Still, can't be no worse than the kink stick rushers on the Hyena faction

[frosty wadi]

How is duel wielding innovative

Its also extremely unrealistic

[still juniper]

because no other weapon in the game lets us do it

[frosty wadi]

Because its extremely unrealistic and unpractical

[still juniper]

blinder, who gives a shit, we have magic explosive revolvers, plagued LMG's that violate the geneva conventions, incendiary armaments, and enemies that take .50 BMG shots directly to the teeth with little more armor than a baseball cap

[hollow hill]

Unrealistic? Not at all. Impractical, for sure but the idea is pretty cool I do admit

Just not sure how it would work as an exotic

[frosty wadi]

The issue is what would it even do, if its only gimmick is two guns then that is either broken, or mediocre

No in between

[still juniper]

ouroboros is jsut a really fast gun and its beloved, how would an LMG class weapon thats just 2 guns be any difference?

give it some mediocre effect but really nice stats and the people will love it, it will be unique and interesting

[undone timber]

This ain't Rambo😭

[frosty wadi]

Ouroboros has a unique perk, the only reason its good is because they boosted its firerate

[still juniper]

who cares

[still juniper]

yeah, but that unique perk kinda fucking sucks, its only good because it has nice stats, just like this dual wield exotic

[undone timber]

It's not a realistic game by any means but it's grounded

[frosty wadi]

^

[still juniper]

naval, we have magic revolvers that cause peoples heads to explode, lmgs with plague rounds, a literal magic magazine, whatever scorpio is, and a shotgun that only lets you one shot people that arent high ranking

this game is far from grounded, so let us have some real fun iwth it

[frosty wadi]

None of those perks and abilities are canon to the actual story of the game

Because, in the story of the game, they are regular ass guns with lethal bullets

[still juniper]

but they exist, the enemies are capable of accurately firing dual, automatic armaments, so why cant we?

[frozen meadow]

the game softlocks if you die to a revived hunter from reanimated

[frosty wadi]

Because the enemies that do are a parody of criminals with hyper stylistic personalities

[undone timber]

The said enemies aren't trained and hyper stylised

[frozen meadow]

well thats a bunch of lost loot

[hybrid ore]

Someone carrying 2 guns isn't really "hyper stylised".

[still juniper]

ah yes, 2 guns is "hyper stylised"

[frosty wadi]

Yall really don’t recognize the literal parody of a faction that is the rikers?

[still juniper]

cmon, we have enough unrealistic movie magic bullshit in our arsenal as it stands, what harm will our agent using his offhand for something do?

[hybrid ore]

I've seen Hard Boiled before, so no.
Although literal parody of a faction does imply that there's a real "faction" like that.

[still juniper]

the lord gave us 2 hands for wielding 2 guns

[frosty wadi]

Because the bullshit we do has lore explanations and is purely for gameplay

[frozen meadow]

this game feels so dead tbh

[hybrid ore]

VPN eevee.

[frosty wadi]

It is

[still juniper]

how is us using our offhand to hold a second gun instead of hte gun in our main hand outside of the lore and unexcusable for gameplay

[frozen meadow]

when was the last time youve ever seen a soldier in the military dual wield weapons

[undone timber]

Try firing two LMGs at the hip

[hybrid ore]

It's a good thing Agents aren't necessarily soldiers in the military.

[frosty wadi]

Try firing literally any weapon with one hand alone

[still juniper]

when was the last time you saw a soldier carrying a custom, magic revolver, a light machine gun he took off an enemies body, and a sniper rifle all at once

[frozen meadow]

i mean maybe a small M1911

[hybrid ore]

This is a really weird hill to die on.

[frozen meadow]

really is

[still juniper]

they wouldnt be actual LMG's, im talking like AK or AR pistols, or submachine guns, it would just be classified as an LMG

[undone timber]

I mean soldiers used to be trained to fire pistols with one hand

[valid leaf]

it's a good thing this is a video game and it's all fiction and not a simulator and it doesn't matter.

[undone timber]

But not submachine guns

[frozen meadow]

you cant fire an SMG with one hand lol

[hybrid ore]

You can absolutely fire with one hand. I've seen the documentary Commando.

[undone timber]

😭😭

[frozen meadow]

not accurately

[frosty wadi]

No its not, duel wielding just is extremely unnecessary and it would require the devs to create a ton of new animations for one addition thats not grounded in realism in the slightest

[frozen meadow]

its not grounded in realism because you cant aim for the life of you

[still juniper]

blinder who gives a tinkers damn about realism, a real person couldnt fire an LMG while walking forwards and eating bullets, but we do