td2-general-chat

[neon wyvern]

not super overtuned atleast

[real creek]

I thought it was pretty easy all in all

[azure lintel]

at least the final boss for me

[neon wyvern]

Definitely should've put more emphasis on the hunter and not the ads

with the ad spawns being easily cheesable

[real creek]

Once people figure out the spots and how to do it you'll think why was this so hard.

[azure lintel]

I always left 1 add up. Problem was the Hunter really not liking me. He immediately got very close to me chasing me everywhere I went. It looked like I had extra aggro

[coral musk]

I ran it with a sniper build the entire time. Only struggle was dealing with how much armor I had left

[azure lintel]

Maybe he saw my Rogue history in the franchise and he really wanted me down

[coral musk]

no way to tell if I'm fine to stay peaked, or if I'm shredded beyond comprehension and about to die (besides the outside of the screen)

otherwise I thought it was cool (besides true sons chonga AI being broken as hell)

[neon wyvern]

Did you try to shoot the hunter even if it was invincible?

[azure lintel]

I'll try my tank shield on him if I can get a chance to hop into someone's session to help out

[azure lintel]

I shot with a Scorpio, he pretty much ignored the status effects on his invulnerable phases

[neon wyvern]

Weird then

[real creek]

PFE tank with a couple DPS items can solo weak points or you can OXY them.

[astral jacinth]

Would you have ran this in hardcore mode on heroic blind run?

[coral musk]

who would?

who would do that with any manhunt tho

[astral jacinth]

Let’s see who

[real creek]

With an actual team I bet that fight is super easy once you've got a plan.

[astral jacinth]

Can’t be any worse than Incursion in its first week

[neon wyvern]

All content is easy with a good team tbh

[azure lintel]

I used Umbra set for almost the entire mission. It basically regenerates your armor and buffs your weapons rpm for taking cover for a couple seconds

[hybrid ore]

The big secret with div2 is that no content is actually hard after you have just practiced enough.

[coral musk]

umbra is pretty underrated

[neon wyvern]

Real

[coral musk]

the hardest thing about Div2 is building up the strength to play the summit for the yuletide mask

[hybrid ore]

so Agents, we all staying safe for the year's end?

[elfin hazel]

matchmake until you get a high floor 🚎

[neon wyvern]

so true

I never got to floor 100 without a few floors being skipped

[azure lintel]

true

[hybrid ore]

Finding out that the majority of Agent's on here have never done a true 0-100 run of Summit explains a lot.

[azure lintel]

Yeah I think not many know about this gear set. I mostly see people talking about Striker. Especially returning and new players mostly don't know about this awesome set

[blissful adder]

how to meet Jack Arnold for Manhunt? seems quest is stuck

[neon wyvern]

If you do any amount of summit matchmaking it's pretty much impossible to

[hybrid ore]

play....with others?

Sorry, please rephrase.

[coral musk]

not gonna lie I was tempted to queue up floor 100 when I got there, die, call for backup, leave when they get there

[neon wyvern]

playing with others skips floors

[coral musk]

then just do that 100 times so people get free floor 100s

[neon wyvern]

usually

[hybrid ore]

Silly ak, div2 is a solo game.

[coral musk]

right now I'm trying to figure out the (maybe) new hunter puzzle kelso is illuding to, and I have no idea if I'm even close or not

[elfin hazel]

very funny knowing I've completed summit 22 times and knowing maybe 5 at most are 0-100

[azure lintel]

I've done one at release of it, but I wouldn't do it again nowadays, cause I'm not a big fan of the rooms in that game mode. Gets a little boring for me

[lone valve]

In one session no
Various times yea

Before countdown it was all I ran if I needed new builds

[hybrid ore]

It's a right of passage for Agents to have tried Summit like the old days.
where difficulty scaled with the floor number.

[coral musk]

I would have if there wasn't 30 floors of legendary

[lone valve]

People on the div 2 secrets discord are looking at the maps in Johnsons safe house

[azure lintel]

the matchmaking pretty much encourages you to skip floors more than often. Say you got up to floor 50. The next day you matchmake and you get into a session on floor 90+ the game allows you to keep the jump and overwrites your own progress

I personally think there's way too many floors for Summit. Wouldn't hurt if they'd half it. Only rooms that are slightly different are on the final floor

[lone valve]

I wonder if anyone did the legendary 100 floor Hunters inside the actual room at launch 🤣

[azure lintel]

But I don't think they're going to change Summit since the main guy who created that game mode is now working for Rockstar North

[azure lintel]

not a single soul lol

[mellow jolt]

damn thats sad

[neon wyvern]

that room would be a bad room even if it was just normal ads

worst room to stick hunters in let alone more then one

[lone valve]

Should increase the number of Hunters to 10 tbh

[neon wyvern]

new 9 player raid idea

[lone valve]

And make them immune to status

And they shoot poison bullets

Hire me massive I'm right here

Most balanced fight in divisions history

[hybrid ore]

I did it with a team at launch, got a Bighorn for my trouble.
although outside of the room is much easier.

[lone valve]

How long it take

[neon wyvern]

Camping behind a single entrance waiting for the hunters to run up is such sleeper gameplay

[hybrid ore]

You'd have to go back in time to whenever Summit launched and check, but I can't imagine it was that short.
remember that at the time, Hunters didn't scale for the group, so there was a fair few there.

[lone valve]

If that entrance wasnt there players would go onto reddit and complain 24/7 about 100 FLOOR IS TOO HARD

[nova kite]

So i heard that there is this Chinese verison of Div2.. whats the name of it?

[hybrid ore]

IIRC the meta we used was spreading out at the first area beyond the doors.

[neon wyvern]

That already happened

[lone valve]

They need to add more directives
I wanna fight the Hunters in legendary with 20 directives on

Actually scrap that add Hunters to regular legendary missions

[neon wyvern]

they should add the no hud mechanic from manhunt as a directive fr

[lone valve]

No SHD ACCESS
Skill players in shambles

[neon wyvern]

A white hunter should be the final boss of a legendary mission

[hybrid ore]

I can vote for that, but only if the directives make progressively less sense over time.
e.g. The base 10, then we get to "random flashbang every 60 seconds", etc.

[lone valve]

Maybe then dua final boss would be somewhat hard

Make him immune to status and boom there goes the Scorpios out the window

And the foam

[neon wyvern]

Should be the Legendary liberty island final boss

Just a hunter with status immunity

[lone valve]

Would love for legendary liberty to actually be a thing

But we fight the ghost of keener plus 7 Hunters at the end

[neon wyvern]

🛌

[lone valve]

Fine 10 Hunters

[coral musk]

a hovercraft crashes onto the island full of zombie skeleton hunters with names

and by crashes, I mean lands, out of flying in the sky

[neon wyvern]

heavencraft

[lone valve]

havencraft

[coral musk]

hovercraft is technically a past tense phrase if it... yknow... doesn't hover anymore

then it's just a craft

[azure lintel]

Seems like there's a lot in store for us next year for TD2. Overhauled Seasons with Seasons 2.0 and expanded NY map with new main missions and areas

[elfin hazel]

ok I've seen people with the poncho but where the hell do you get/buy it

or does it just come with the mask

ok the answer is its part of the mask which is why the mask is so spensive

[coral musk]

Apparel > Store > Bottom Right under Featured

it is 26 USD

[elfin hazel]

surprised its not its own tab under store exclusives

[solemn marsh]

is there any reason to reset the current manhunt campaign after completing it? are the rewards any good?

[neon wyvern]

If you got the glitch where a character meeting didn't count and therefore you can't get to the recruiter

[wanton temple]

is it possible to just skip matchmaking i cant do the main missions because i have to matchmake for players and no one plays lol

[neon wyvern]

Play the mission solo

[wanton temple]

how 😭

[neon wyvern]

dude

select a difficulty on mission settings and walk in

[wanton temple]

ohh shit

[sterile ferry]

literally nothing forces you to matchmake LMFAO

[wanton temple]

id didnt realize they started like that lmfao

thanks lmao

[neon wyvern]

Solo countdown

[sterile ferry]

normal difficulty

[opal radish]

Normal difficulty with pfe

[opal radish]

People have cleared solo heroic

[neon wyvern]

Solo challenging is actually pretty consistent if you don't get admin as the final

Solo heroic Is just dumb

[opal radish]

Working as intended

[dull roost]

[sterile ferry]

interested to know how

[opal radish]

Let me send you the link

[barren crater]

Hi I am trying to get a build done but I am very confused on how to find the mods I am seeking

[hybrid ore]

Wait, 26 usd, are you sure?

[coral musk]

2650 credits

[hybrid ore]

$38 for me.
okay I'mma pass.

[coral musk]

yep 😐

unfortunately you can't even buy one part of it if you want just one part

it's 2650 for the mask, and the mask is the entire set

the set completion rewards are everything else...

[fickle edge]

playing around with steady handed I wonder if it was weapon handling would it be much better

[nocturne frigate]

Lol so how are they going to reintroduce vikram to the game

[tired granite]

stuck on a menu cant esc...great game.

alt f4 it is

[fickle edge]

i forgot who is that dude again? was he from div 1?

[wet igloo]

hes from the Odea side mission

[tired granite]

idk why we need to save him...

[thorny talon]

🫥

[wet igloo]

power source technician

[tired granite]

isnt the castle already running on alot of technicians

[wet igloo]

hes prolly smarter than them all

[tired granite]

kek

[barren crater]

I am gonna go then bye forget my question

[wet igloo]

you couldve gone to #td2-build-advice

nvm u did

[flat pike]

lol this dude...

[fickle edge]

man who can remember that bum

[wet igloo]

imagine they bring that dude from the underground who drank liquid gold

[fickle edge]

bring in the croc theyd be useful

[plain musk]

birdie not spawning in the castle.cant debrief....

[weary frigate]

same hahahaha

[grave jetty]

where to get the recruiter's outfit?

[hybrid ore]

@grave jetty Store for premium currency.

[grave jetty]

thanks

[sick thicket]

30 dollar micro transaction locked behind a mission 😂

aint no way

[thorny talon]

and its a good thing

[late ruin]

Any fix to the side mission bug where I cannot turn/get the third encryption key from Faye Lau?
I've been stuck on this mission for 200h and still have yet to figure out a way to complete it lmao
Tutorials on forums or Youtube haven't helped either

[fickle edge]

how

[iron gust]

It's from a previous season so cannot be fixed afaik

[summer crescent]

guys, any fix for the birdie not appearing in the castle yet?

are the devs even aware of the issue?

[foggy copper]

they dont care, also they on new year holidays most likely

[agile kettle]

Everybody must remember you should do manhunt by yourself, not go to another player’s session. Same bugs happened on previous other manhunt.

[weary frigate]

lels I did all the manhunts all myself but still encounter the same issues

[strong wigeon]

how do you meet cindy mcallister?

[versed lily]

is it a bug that i sometimes see classified assignments on my map, only for them to dissapear when i try to go to the spot on map

[azure lintel]

I think I salvaged the Festive Delivery backpack. Is it possible to get another? Could I do it with another toon?

oh I can just farm it from cd as it's on bench?

[halcyon radish]

@azure lintel all holiday items could farm from loot goblin, and the winter project separate from each character

[azure lintel]

❤️

[cloud sonnet]

im trying to figure out how the game works and its not going very well

[late ferry]

paradise lost

[thorny arrow]

Countdown icon is not showing to my mate, he finish everything that need to unlock it. He can do it by talking to the helicopter person but on the icon on the map is not showing. Is there any fix?

[wanton socket]

After finishing the first CA mission, the new icons appear, to lead you to the general areas, where you can find the starting points of the other missions. Searching, finding and interacting with each mission start point is part of "the puzzle".
If you are close enough to an "so far undiscovered point", your minimap/radar will show a blue translucent circle. Watch this while looking for mission start point. If it disappears, turn around. You have to get very close to any of this start points for them to actually pop up in the open world. If you see one, get next to it and interact with it.
After interacting with any of the other mission start points, the will stay permanently on your map and can be chosen as additional fast travel targets.
And from reddit: talked to someone, that obviously did the first mission less than 7 days ago. He couldn't find the other start points until the timer of the first mission (one week cool down after doing any of this missions) was done. He actually used videos to get right at the starting points and couldn't see them nor interact.

[mighty shell]

Not gonna lie, the Recruiter's outfit with the Hunter Fury backpack looks killer.

[thorny talon]

gotta gatekeep from casuals 😀

[green charm]

the new uniform from enemy is only on shop?

[elfin hazel]

ya

[green charm]

ah ok thx because cannot see well on store probably is a bug

[pseudo lark]

are they gonna fix the manhunt or? im at 95% and dont seem to have the last side quest for this

[green charm]

i not have bug on mannhunt

[elfin hazel]

its in the mask section of the blank featured spot

[green charm]

you have finished with friends?

[elfin hazel]

probably whenever they have time to since its the holidays n all

[green charm]

yes i see it but cannot see the mantle for example

[pseudo lark]

okok

[green charm]

because i see on game one with mantle too

[jolly harness]

Is anyone having a glitch when trying to complete manhunt where the first person is not showing as rescued?

I read that I had to reset the manhunt and do it all over.. when I did that now after completing the first control point, it says I have to do a bounty but when I try to start the bounty it says that I do not meet the prerequisite for it and it does not allow me to continue?????? Is that bugged too?

[dreamy topaz]

What are the weakpoints for the hunter?

[full zinc]

You'll only see access at the chopper to create and map tab map> matchmaking> countdown afaik

[real creek]

Try a scanner pulse. Not sure if you want spoilers but that should let you figure it out.

[dreamy topaz]

Thx i found it

My whole manhunt seems bugged, i cant meet birdie, i do have the side mission but she doesnt spawn

[fierce summit]

why is legendary stronghold so hard to complete with random matchmaking

[cyan narwhal]

first time ?

[fierce summit]

no, I'm serious, do you need specific roles like for raid and matchmaking is not suficient for that type of content?

[dawn relic]

which one got more player? division 1 or 2?

[real creek]

I carried a Roosevelt Island the other day. Had like 190 kills but one guy was healing so it was fine.

Legendary with bad randoms just means it'll be super hard.

[fierce summit]

on standard dps build or smth else?

[azure lintel]

I just did the Manhunt again, but this time on heroic and solo. The gear I used made the final fight a walk in the park. It made me even laugh

[real creek]

I was striker Oreo famas.

[dreamy topaz]

Does anyone know how to fix it?

[fierce summit]

full red?

[real creek]

I was yeah. Obliterate chest too.

[fierce summit]

I see, thanks

[kind veldt]

div 2

[blazing sleet]

Looks like ubisoft gonna be drowning in money with the recruitor mask

Next dlc also gonna have same price tag of the mask

[azure lintel]

At least it's gonna make them more money than the Avatar game 😆

[blazing sleet]

Yeah

Also someone from dev team posted in Twitter that the game has been doin numbers lately

[azure lintel]

Yeah it was on a huge sale or still is

[blazing sleet]

So i guess right time to get lot of moniez

[fierce summit]

people got reminder that div 2 exist after the day before thingy

at least I was

[blazing sleet]

Ye only semi realistic looter shooter in the market

I dont see any other game

[azure lintel]

What also helped was "The Day Before" It was free marketing for Division 2 since it flopped pretty hard. It reminded people about this franchise and brought some new ones in

[blazing sleet]

I hope next dlc better be good cause whatever theyve been doin lately seems to be working

[azure lintel]

great minds think alike lol

I think people are desperate for a new game like Division. Good thing they're already working on TD3

[azure lintel]

It's going to expand the NY map. Basically new areas and main missions. They're also overhauling the seasons calling it Seasons 2.0

If you ask me, it's most likely going to be the last DLC for TD2. Cause I think they'll most likely release TD3 1 or 2 years after that

but it's all speculation

maybe I'm completely wrong and they got more in store for TD2. I personally doubt it though

[blazing sleet]

No way

Div2 took 8 yrs

Div3 cannot be ready in 1 year

[dreamy topaz]

Anyone know how to fix Meet Birdie for the debrief. I did the manhunt but she doesnt spawn

[blazing sleet]

Replay ?

[azure lintel]

They started the work on that game in summer this year. They got much more devs working on the franchise now since they moved all the people from Avatar to work on TD3. I think we will hear about TD3 either by the end of 2025 or in 2026 meaning in 1-2 years

[blazing sleet]

Then that'll look just like TD2 dlc

Similar to how mw3 is basically reskin of mw2

[azure lintel]

I just can't see Ubisoft giving them almost 8 years like they did with Avatar. They're financially struggling since a couple years and need some games that would bring in some big money

[blazing sleet]

If i were a live service company that jist started printing dollars with minimal work for dlc's i would milk it dry

So idk why they're gonna abandon TD2

[azure lintel]

The problem is you have people and in case of massive having seperate studios produce content for the game. By the time they have TD3 out many will move on to that game and many more will get into the franchise with TD3. I don't think they'll continue focusing their resources on TD2 once they have TD3 out

I mean we have pretty seen the same thing with the transition from TD1 to TD2

[versed lily]

td1 was abandoned as soon as td2 was anounced?

[azure lintel]

Once TD3 is out, the numbers of TD2 will most likely start declining more and more. Ubisoft is lately shutting down some online games like The Crew 1. I can totally see them shutting down the servers for the first Division game. If you look at the numbers, that game isn't really far away from that happening. I hope they keep them up though

[toxic flume]

@azure lintel you work at Ubi?

[azure lintel]

No, they basically had a livestream celebrating the 2 year anniversary of the game. At the end of it, they dropped the bomb saying they will no longer have new content for the game. Half a year later or so TD2 was released

[versed lily]

kind of makes sense

[azure lintel]

No, but I've been around for long enough to estimate some stuff. I also have some contacts in the industry

[toxic flume]

Also why is your account this young? 18DEC2023

[azure lintel]

Cause I don't use Discord that often anymore. I used to have an account couple years ago, but with people that I played with focusing more and more on real life stuff instead of gaming, I decided to delete that account.

[toxic flume]

If you have contacts within the industry, so you know everything that happens within the company?

Why delete it, was it that bad to use that account again?

[real creek]

I feel like I'm reading an investigation...

[azure lintel]

I rarely use Discord these days. I handle Twitch the same way. Not a big fan of either. Most people I know don't use those two platforms as often anymore either

[toxic flume]

I was just curious. My bad.

[small spear]

what are your favorite colors? food? time of day to go outside? numbers?

[hybrid ore]

What was the previous account's name?

[kind veldt]

the numbers mason, what do they mean

[azure lintel]

Most Discord servers I join are super inactive despite having hundreds of thousand online members. You often have only a small circle of people being active at all in most Discord channels

[hybrid ore]

Yep, that is called a silent majority. That is the case for pretty much every online service.

see; youtube comment: view ratio.

[hollow zephyr]

heya did we need to do those secret come in one atempt ?? or do i have reset now the manhunt ?? cause i cant get the last two and i couldnt activate the start thing 😦

[real creek]

I'm color blind, bed ridden on a feeding tube and can't count... /S

[azure lintel]

The thing with Twitch is, I try to avoid that platform completely nowadays. I was using that website frequently back in 2013-2014ish before they sold it to Amazon. Ever since that platform went downhill

[small spear]

lmao

[toxic flume]

Look at summit1G, that man is a legend and still uses the platform till this day.

Sumsum is an OG

[real creek]

I hate the live streaming media format. Just not entertaining.

[versed lily]

i dont like french fries

[hybrid ore]

Exactly, real americans like freedom fries.

[toxic flume]

People make it not entertaining anymore. Also the world changes everything to the point it’s boring and useless.

[hybrid ore]

@azure lintel try using "nsfw" instead

[azure lintel]

Sorry, I messed up trying to describe todays Twitch lol

[versed lily]

twitch is only nsfw on just chatting right

[toxic flume]

Ngl, the latest twitch change to its policy. It’s sad 😔 it’s just getting more worse for the community

[hybrid ore]

As with all things, if you look for the bad you'll find it.

[toxic flume]

Mainly yea

[real creek]

Auto mod log must be wild. I can't imagine the actual stuff it catches vs innocent conversation stuff.

[hybrid ore]

It's mostly not innocent stuff.

[azure lintel]

basically that platform turned into a onlyfans 2.0. You have people streaming their feet and what not. I visited it during the pandemic after years of not visiting it and you wouldn't even believe me what I was shown

[hybrid ore]

I've seen stuff in there that would make your hair curl.

[real creek]

You don't know me!

[toxic flume]

I know. People is using it for random things and bs. Look at AMO and her ASMR. People feen over that stuff.

[azure lintel]

I was checking out their categories and was recommended a livestream showing 2 russian males and 1 female lying in bed with no clothes until more happened

the stream kept going for more than an hour

[versed lily]

what does that have to do with twitch though.

[real creek]

How would one know the length of that stream?

[hybrid ore]

Well you see, first they had to watch the whole thing....

[azure lintel]

I couldn't believe what I saw even double checked. They had people literally f... on a livestream for at least an hour

[real creek]

lol

[versed lily]

for more than an hour

[toxic flume]

lol

[real creek]

Kudos to their stamina.

[hybrid ore]

Hey so not to break up people's good time, but this topic either has to move to #off-topic-discussions or PM's.

[azure lintel]

I kid you not this was the first time I went back to the website after at least 2 years just to see what's going on it was the first thing I saw on it

[hybrid ore]

even off-topic is pushing it, frankly.

[azure lintel]

I thought Twitch staff would ban those people, but they didn't even bother checking it

[hybrid ore]

Anyway, back on topic.
biggest positive change for Project Resolve?

[blazing sleet]

Where's the roadmap screenshot?

[versed lily]

more stuff "viable".. only started last friday no idea

[hybrid ore]

@blazing sleet #news-and-announcements message

[toxic flume]

DZ changes for sure

[real creek]

What if I didn't feel like much positive stuff was even in there?

[kind veldt]

i'll save my finishing thoughts for part 2

cause otherwise i will just sound like i'm nagging when talking "what about X Y and Z?"

[hybrid ore]

I'm more talking about proposed changes, but yeah for me personally it has to be making underused weapons more viable in later difficulties.

[blazing sleet]

Loot scaling :D

[toxic flume]

The DZ actually will be worth getting back into. Also, they have to tune the TTK more. I miss the Div1 PvP TTK

[kind veldt]

and thats exactly the X Y and Z that i didnt want to talk about

[hybrid ore]

Right now we have a very large weapon's pool that's 99% pointless. Resolve' changing that is very exciting.

[real creek]

I wish they would nerf things vs making the game even easier.

[toxic flume]

^

Especially the PvP side

[hybrid ore]

Have you considered that maybe you're just at a point where you are "done"? Like, they could make the game harder, sure, but that would just alienate an already very confusing early-lategame for newbies.

My biggest request for Resolve (outside of a proper ping system via a scrollwheel ingame) is just simply: more ingame explanations vs having to use community resources.

[toxic flume]

PvE they can buff us all day and make them harder. PvP just need Skill dmg in general and TTK tuning to be higher compared to now

[blazing sleet]

They nerfing unbreakable, elmo

[real creek]

This game is kinda extremely hard to get into for new people as tons of the game isn't explained and the three cores aren't balanced at all. I understand that it's very complex and it's not a simple fix but making weapons stronger doesn't seem like a proper fix.

[toxic flume]

Still, the TTK won’t change as much

[hybrid ore]

To be fair, they aren't simply buffing underused guns, there is an awful lot being done to making the day-to-day of div2 more replayable, which is a good start.
but I would also like to see a focus on the new-game for newbies.

[toxic flume]

I mean 😪 articles out there saying they started Div3 development

[versed lily]

so far the new0game has been a blast. but only 32ish hours into it

[hybrid ore]

We know they have, but consider this: Elder Scrolls 6 started development 7 years ago.

[blazing sleet]

*They're assembling a team

Not dev

[hybrid ore]

"a game is starting to be worked on" means nothing these days, you just have to wait for actual gameplay footage, and even then its a toss-up if it gets made.

[real creek]

The eggs are still at the store for that cake.

[toxic flume]

Idk if i can post a link in here about the article

[hybrid ore]

shout out to star wars: 1333. We hardly knew ye.

[hybrid ore]

don't worry, we've all seen it by now. It's "they're looking into making it". It's just early promo work.

[versed lily]

so likely 5+years away even

[azure lintel]

TD3 is at least 1-2 years away (probably even more if Ubisoft allows for it). Good thing is they brought back some of the OG staff that worked on TD1 into developing TD3

[hybrid ore]

They announced Outlaws almost 2-3 years ago and that still isn't out yet. Avatar was announced even earlier IIRC

[blazing sleet]

Wouldn't it be super ez if devs ported Heartland map to div2 and call it day for next dlc

[hybrid ore]

That's not how porting works, so no it would not.

Also, MSV aren't working on Heartland.

MSV are doing Resurgence, Project Resolve, Avatar, and Outlaws. I think they have enough work on their plate.

[blazing sleet]

Yeah

[real creek]

Dlc for div 2 is 1-2 years away... Td3 is not coming in 1-2 years.

[toxic flume]

MSV did make Snowdrop for Ubi

Ubi loves that engine

[blazing sleet]

Isn't new york map in td2 mostly ripped off from div1(nothing wrong with that)

[hybrid ore]

No.

[azure lintel]

TD3 is going to be Ubisofts next Beyond Good and Evil 2 and we never going to hear from it again 😆 just kidding

[iron adder]

completely different parts of NY

[toxic flume]

This server will talk about Div3 a lot when it gets closer

[blazing sleet]

Floor is made of floor

[hybrid ore]

I have said this before and I'll resay it now: div3 will not be a thing until 2028, minimum.

[real creek]

Once an E3 trailer drops we have a year or two. Until then it doesn't matter to me.

[iron adder]

let's be optimistic and say 2027 minimum

[hybrid ore]

Remember that it's 2024 in 3-4 days.

[toxic flume]

Let’s hope it don’t be a Div1 E3 trailer to actual game drop

[real creek]

It do be like dat tho.

[toxic flume]

I was so mad when they took it all out. But yet, console couldn’t handle it

Consoles restrict devs a lot

[azure lintel]

E3 unfortunately is no longer a thing

[toxic flume]

I also wish and hope that Div3 is a next gen only and pc. No last gen.

[hybrid ore]

By that point, ps5 might even be last-gen.

[real creek]

E3 or equivalent thing idk I'm getting old.

[toxic flume]

They are releasing the PS5 pro to compete and over come series X lol

Consoles always wanna be a PC performance. Due to the Rtx 4090 drop.

I give it till summer-fall release for the pro. They are replacing OG PS5 with all slims first. So the OG ps5 development is discontinued

I’m just ready for the Rtx 5090 tbh

[opal radish]

E3 is dead

[opal radish]

By that time we may have PS6

[fickle moat]

In your opinion, what do you think new players would need to succeed in this game that you haven't found answers for?

I mean anyone can answer that I was just wondering. I had to do a lot of research when I first started

[toxic flume]

PS6 will come out later in the year after 5090 drops.

Still won’t match the performance for sure lol

[opal radish]

Nope that is PS5 Pro

Dropping in 2024-2025 by 2027-2028 we are gonna have PS6 next gen xbox

And new fabrication technology to power those

[toxic flume]

5090 is dropping within the next year or 2.

[opal radish]

And PS5 pro is dropping next year or 2025

[opal radish]

Nvidia has 2 year cadence

[toxic flume]

Console can never can keep up with pc tech and performance in general

[opal radish]

2022 -> 4090 2024 -> 5090

[opal radish]

Cause it is never meant to be a monster but it has clever optimization trick and also the price advantage

[toxic flume]

Limitations too

And they eat your money up.

[opal radish]

PC also eats your money in that sense if you plan on gaming just less

[toxic flume]

I mean 😪 gtx 1080ti and a Rtx 2080 is still keeping up with today’s games.

I have a 3080, I’m good for the next decade if I really want to.

[opal radish]

I think 1-2 more generation before you upgrade so 4 years

[toxic flume]

Mmm 🤔 I’m good 😊. I spent 1300 on my pc and it’s gonna last before I need to upgrade.

Pc normally last way longer than a console anyways.

[pale surge]

doesn’t console run most games on 120 fps max graphics nowadays

[opal radish]

Yup

[opal radish]

With lots of Optimization and tweaks

[pale surge]

yeah but it still doesn’t give you the freedom a pc gives

just by being able to have more monitors

[toxic flume]

I can see the 5090 doing 8k at 30-60fps

[opal radish]

Mhh I doubt about 60fps 30fps seems possible but upto nvidia

[pale surge]

still kinda triggers me that they release games like gta6 exclusive to console

[toxic flume]

Also depends on how heavy the game is to

[opal radish]

Cyberpunk

[opal radish]

But can it run crysis

[toxic flume]

For now. It will come to pc eventually. They prob didn’t put pc there because it’s going to anyways or they just wanna let people know that. To Upgrade your consoles before you buy the game.

Either way, hands down that gta 6 will come to pc. I just wonder how the specs will be like to run it.

[opal radish]

Definitely a year late

[toxic flume]

Mmm I doubt it

[opal radish]

Why though?

[toxic flume]

At most couple months late due to heavy amounts of optimization

[opal radish]

I don't doubt it will be quick to launch on pc

[toxic flume]

They make the game on pc anyways

[low lily]

Games on PC need a lot optimization yea

[opal radish]

Consoles too but it is easier to optimize for console

[low lily]

Also it's good move to do consoles first

[opal radish]

Cause consoles are just pcs developed for gaming

[toxic flume]

Prob so people can upgrade set of being on last gen

[opal radish]

AMD used Console CPU/GPU to sell as desktop apu

[toxic flume]

Devs is pushing new gen hard.

[low lily]

You mean current gen?

[toxic flume]

Sure. You can say that

I still say new and old gen because people still use OG versions of it

[low lily]

But yeah probably we will see mid gen consoles next year so it's really smart that GTA 6 is launching 2025, so people see reason to upgrade

[toxic flume]

I mean 😪 exclusive to them so they have to or they will miss out on it.

[low lily]

True true

[toxic flume]

Avatar game rn runs ok ish on new gen consoles. Because it’s demanding

Run it on my 3080 pc but man it hits.

Still out performing new gen consoles.

[low lily]

I mean 3080😅😅

Considering used ps5-s go for like 300 here, it's pretty amazing how much they can handle

[toxic flume]

I wish I have a 4080 but waiting in price to go down. But yet they are making the super variations of them to replace the OG 40 series

[low lily]

4080 was beast, that was last I put together, next time I will put a PC together when 5xxx hits

[toxic flume]

If I get a 4080 upgrade. Imma upgrade my mobo. Maybe my cpu.

[low lily]

I always do full builds myself and then just sell them a month later or so

[toxic flume]

Idk 🤷‍♂️ I could just upgrade the gpu alone. I just gotta relook at the compatibility of my mobo first

I would do a full build its alot of money in one go.

I don’t do it unless I need to

[low lily]

Yeah true

[toxic flume]

Just tryna save the most money while getting more performance

[vale wasp]

Im having a issue with getting the Drone Crash Site side mission to pop up. I know I need to do it once normally for the Manhunt bountie to be started but Was wondering if Black Tusk invasion in the area stops the side mission from showing up.

[serene elk]

When did you do the mission?

I had the same issue but it was finding and completing the mission, then it still didn’t work for a while. I think you can logout login to refresh the session to get it to work

[vale wasp]

I guess I could have done the mission at anypoint in the last 4 years. All the videos of the side mission are pre-black tusk. So right now im just re-clearing black tusk off the map to see if it changes something.

[serene elk]

Interesting

[vale wasp]

Because the front gate for the side mission is wide open and no matter how many times I walk in or relog it does not change.

[frosty bane]

question, if I've already bought the first one and hit 30 and understand how the game plays, should I use my level 30 level boost in td2?

[serene elk]

Have you tried activating the bounty

[vale wasp]

I cant. Need to complete the side mission that the bountie is based off of.

[limpid bough]

@frosty bane do you mean you hit Level 30 on Division 1 and are considering boosting ot Level 30 in Division 2?

[frosty bane]

yeah

[limpid bough]

you'll skip all the lore and main missions in Washington DC then. I guess you can still replay them one by one if that suits your style

[fair herald]

Best way to farm dark winter ? Like can I just do countdown endlessly?

[pale surge]

it’s DZ only named item

i think you can spend money and get it as well

get a nice diamond looking skin for it too

[fair herald]

That ik you can do I saw it the other day in the shop but now the kingbreaker is in there so I have to wait

[limpid bough]

or buy the Named Caches from Countdown Credits or Global Event stars for a chance to get it

[pale surge]

oh yeah you can buy named caches

[fair herald]

Ty guys least I have something to farm for

[vale wasp]

So turns out that I did do the side mission and clearing out black tusk fixed it.

[fair herald]

Can exotic caches have raid items if you’ve never did the raid?

[small spear]

nope

they don't show up in there even after you've done them

[warm quartz]

Does anyone know why incursion matchmaking is disabled?

[real creek]

It shouldn't be. Tried logging in and out?

[warm quartz]

Yeah and restarting game to

[real creek]

Can you do any matchmaking?

There is a bug where matchmaking gets messed up and you have to start a raid group for DH or IH launch the raid then leave it, not sure if that's what's happening to you.

[warm quartz]

I can join radom missions etc

Just not incursion

[real creek]

Can you fast travel to the incursion at least?

[limpid bough]

yeah I think you have to matchmake from inside the incursion or something

[warm quartz]

Yes that's possible

[still lintel]

im matchmaking for countdown and I haven't gotten into a game for 15 minutes on challenging difficulty, is there something wrong with the servers? Its never taken me more than 1 minute to get into a match so im curious if anyone knows a problem

[shell pewter]

hey, im downloading TD2 on pc currently. have played years ago on console, just wondering if anybody would be intersted in playing with me through the missions. got the ultimate edition

[pale surge]

in think i had this issue

make ur own group and match make

people should join you

[still lintel]

when I make my own group, how do I start the matchmaking?

Whenever I do it I just sit with no one and theres no indication its looking for other players

[pale surge]

uhh seemed straight forward to me when i did it .. but don’t remember look around b i couldn’t tell you exactly

[broken solstice]

I might be able to roll with ya. But I need like 15-20 min

[pale surge]

if not restart ur game

[still lintel]

okie thank u

[pale surge]

maybe open map match make top left and select countdown

[shell pewter]

im still downloading, need about 1.5 hours if you still want to play then

[pale surge]

or in social

[broken solstice]

Ok cool

hah you dont even have to finish the manhunt to buy the recruiter outfit

[astral jacinth]

Seems that recruiter outfit works better on female bodies

[broken solstice]

nice

[fair herald]

Welp got my dark winter without doing countdown or any farming really

[broken solstice]

it wouldnt have dropped in countdown anyway. you'd have been wasting your time if you were specifically farming for a dark winter. its a dz exclusive but can come in some caches like named item cache

[astral jacinth]

Man I remember Dark Winter being a popular gun

[fair herald]

The goal was countdown for named caches

But was doing the manhunt and got it from saving vikram in that final bounty mission

[astral jacinth]

Nice weapon skin though

[fair herald]

Agreed

[lean solar]

where to buy optimization chaches?

[neat scaffold]

The cost of $37 AUD for the recruiter mask only is absolute lunacy

[real moth]

It is, but there's many people who buy it, so they'll keep doing it

[fiery cloud]

Hope Everyone Had wonderful Xmas

[tulip moon]

^

[night chasm]

it's not just the mask.

It's two outfits, his mask, and gloves (not that it makes it any less overpriced)

[fair lake]

It's testing ground. If playerbase swallows - they'll push more down the throat

[lone valve]

I would've been fine ngl if eitheir the outfit or the mask were paid but the rest was a manhunt reward

Are they still scared from the doctor home fiasco

[fair lake]

imagine selling literally SOMETHING for textile or rotate items in apparel caches, so there will be a reason to use apparel 2700+ keys....

[broken solstice]

i bought every item that can be bought with textiles and i still have a ton of textiles

[lone valve]

Ikr
Also making the literal last item of a set cost actual money while the rest you can buy with textiles

Cough alot of items cough

[fair lake]

I ignore every "time-limited" skins or any other for real money. Season track is the only stuff I buy because there are tons of items + it's once per 4 months (30$ a year),
And here we are: mask + costume = 25$

😂

[lone valve]

Ngl all I wanted was the cloak

But yea no way in hell I'm paying that for it

[real moth]

The cloak is pretty cool, but the rest of the outfit is kinda the usual ballistic armor hunter stuff. He looks a bit like he's wearing a diaper tbh lol

I'd love to just have a couple of poncho options

[lunar frigate]

how to get st elmo engine?

[real moth]

Any targeted loot will eventually drop it, countdown being probably the fastest way, especially because you can also get exotic caches

[broken solstice]

countdown. choose ARs as targeted loot. use the countdown credits to buy exotic caches

[real moth]

Summit and open world targeted loot will also work, but probably slower. And it's all rng at the end of the day anyway

[lunar frigate]

last time i played was a little less than a year ago. Anything new?

[upper raft]

On the manhunt I just rescued Vikram malilk but don't see where I have to go next after talking to him

[broken solstice]

on to the next rescue. look for a control point that has 3 yellow dots in place of the usual control point icon

[upper raft]

Nvm seems I am bugged and have to do all over again

[broken solstice]

dang. i had to go back and do it again too

[lime fulcrum]

fellas does ||mask|| drop from manhunt is bugged?! 🤔

[broken solstice]

its not a mask. its a backpack trophy of a little mask

[lime fulcrum]

ah gotch you now....

[finite mortar]

if you dont go or not make in time for a bounty of a **manhunt **what happens? can you reactivate it later on?

[kind veldt]

you can try again later

[stone wind]

Eva Garcia's broadcasts after you do the hijack broadcast activities is hilarious

[broken solstice]

whats a funny thing she said?

[wanton bone]

Can you trade exotics in the division 2?

[kind veldt]

nope

[stone wind]

She made comments about Natalia.

"Look, I get it, she's hot. But just because she's beautiful, doesn't mean she's beautiful on the inside. We often overlook the wrongs people have done just because we wanna f*ck them."

[lone valve]

Lmao

[kind veldt]

someone who is in the same group as you can share their drops for a while, after that they cant

[wanton bone]

Anyone know a good farm method for the chameleon ?

[uneven tapir]

Between group mates when it drops yes. Loot or caches.

[kind veldt]

Ar targetted loot countdown in general

can do bounties or activities in places that have AR targetted loot also on the map

[lone valve]

Bounties in general drop alot of chameleons

[gloomy bolt]

i have a problem 2 off may caraters apperently faild to do the last part in side misson and met mel at the settelment any way to fix this ??

[marsh merlin]

About $20 for The Recruiter outfit...

[lean solar]

what stronhold is invaded rn?

[broken solstice]

roosevelt island

[lean solar]

how to know what stronhold is invaded

[lunar frigate]

how to get st elmo engine?

[frosty bane]

anyone okay with me joining their high level game so I can get to 30?

[broken solstice]

you just gotta look at it. it has a black tusk logo on it and it says invaded

[lean solar]

What’s the difference between headshot dmg an critical headshot dmg?

[autumn crystal]

anyone know where striker set targeted loot is?

[autumn crystal]

more damage

anyone knows where i can find striker set this week?

[astral jacinth]

You can target loot in Countdown/Sunmit

[ruby comet]

it's in NY, forgot what mission tho

i think Pathway Park?

[broken solstice]

liberty island

[full zinc]

Just roll in countdown. You can select your target that way

[ruby comet]

ah yeah

[lone valve]

Someone joins my group for legendary Roosevelt and immediately goes
"Please no directives"

[marsh hinge]

Is there some secret to resetting the time trial in Kenly College? I reset it, but it goes to the normal story mode, not the timed. Can you only run the time trial so many times?

[ornate orbit]

I just got back to the game, i bought New york Dlc, what should i do?

I want to get good gear and guns for PvP

[wise basalt]

go to ny and finish the story

[ornate orbit]

Im doing that rn, im taking a smoke break rq

[wise basalt]

so why ask then?

[ornate orbit]

So i know what to farm

Thats why i am asking, cuz yall might know whats good

[wise basalt]

until u finish the story and get to lvl 40 all the gear u pick up is useless

[ornate orbit]

Owh, alright thats good to know atleast

[lunar frigate]

how to get st elmo engine? just started playing again and never got it

[marsh hinge]

Farm whatever mission is targeting AR or Countdown and set it to ARs

[wise basalt]

the same way u farm everything else, target AR. u can select that in countdown, hope it drops, if not then use cd creds to buy exotic caches

[lunar frigate]

i thought exotic caches only drop exotics u have gotten

[serene elk]

this is the fourth time I am "unlocking power" and watching the cutscene for it

[serene elk]

nope gives a random exotic from the general pool

otherwise what would you do when you have an exotic cache without having unlocked an exotic before

what was the cheat

[ebon ermine]

he had multiple active... run speed... aimbot... damage

[serene elk]

yikes

[reef reef]

Report it through the report function in game, and take it up with ubisoft support. We dont like cheaters either, but starting a witch hunt here is not the way to go about it.

[ebon ermine]

Aspect, please copy and paste what you deleted and forward it

[reef reef]

I'm no closer to the devs than you are. I've got my own life to live, and i cant just report someone with no evidence.

[ebon ermine]

it isn't a witch hunt... it's OVERT, and he claimed as much.... he even boasted, "look my name up oon Youtube, I'm a known cheater"

do they log audio? His admission would be present

[reef reef]

A witch hunt is naming someone in a public space in an attempt to have something done about them. I already told you what you should do. I cant report someone for doing nothing, but you have evidence.

[ebon ermine]

not to mention the overt cheating gameplay... they completed one of the objectives in less than a minute... by themselves

Actually, a witch hunt is persecution based on false pretenses... and I've been around longer to know that the in-game reporting feature is futile... and that -- unofficially -- the execs don't care about it, as long as others acquiesce and it subsequently dosn't have a negative impact on revenues

[reef reef]

Look. I'm against cheating as much as the next guy. But if i let one person say someone is a cheater and name them and call them out for it, eventually its gonna go south and we'll have accusations of cheaters everywhere. Which is why even people you know are cheating arent gonna be named here.

[elfin hazel]

doesn't matter how blatant and self admitted it is, we(mods) nor anyone else here can do anything, and we don't really want to deal with the general negativity that comes along with calling it out

[ebon ermine]

I'm fully aware of the naming and shaming policy... I used to notify newcomers of it on not only the old web forums, but the OLD old D2 web forums. This, however, is an exception; 100% confidence. You already deleted the post... but please take the information and act on it. Again, 100% confidence. It would merely take monitoring the account his account for one minute. He admitted he always has cheats active.

[reef reef]

I'm not going to. You saw it. Report it yourself.

[broken solstice]

let it go. unless you have recorded evidence then the dev team has no recourse

[ebon ermine]

with all due respect... I know they let it go even if you DO have video evidence. But you're correct that it will be immediately dismissed without it, regardless

[broken solstice]

yes its very frustrating

[alpine root]

does the perk first blood ever work or is it bugged ?

[dreamy topaz]

Anyone know how to fix "Meet Birdie" i have the mission but she wont spawn at the location where she needs to be

[small spear]

in what way?

it just deals headshot damage but doesn't count as a headshot fyi

[alpine root]

in it does the same damage as body shot no matter from empty reload or start into combat

i think the activation is bugged

[small spear]

no, it will deal more damage than a real body shot

it just won't be a red number

[alpine root]

yea it should but its not doing it for both pve and pvp

[small spear]

hm

[alpine root]

which is why i think its bugged cus when i watch youtube vids its working for them but thats like 4 years ago

[proud locust]

Oh great the insurance that recruiter has

Are actually cryptic riddles that I have to figure out

[elfin hazel]

the numbers are coords

[ebon ermine]

Not surprised. Ubisoft's history on the matter (esp. D2) is wrought with some permutation of ineffectiveness and complicity. This is immediately evidenced by contracting EAC; an inferior product but satisfies plausible deniability (excuse the double negative, "we didn't do nothing to combat cheating")

[elfin hazel]

EAC is an actually really good anti cheat lol

[ebon ermine]

Future legislation will change that

[elfin hazel]

?????

[ebon ermine]

was continuing my post, not replying yours, which is non sequitur

[reef reef]

If i were to report something, it'd be treated the same as if you did. I'm not continuing this, as i have other things to do. Have a good day.

[kind veldt]

EAC is buggy and got my game to crash multiple times

[elfin hazel]

more so a problem with the game than EAC

[kind veldt]

multiple games that i have wont close if i have a controller plugged in actually

took me months to find out why randomly some games would do that

guess they dont like switch pro controllers

[elfin hazel]

I'd still put that up to non xbox controllers being a bit funky on pc

[kind veldt]

and is a problem with EAC, happened with elden ring, armored core, insurgency and couple others just by me forgetting controller plugged in

man it even happened with nine to five

man that game was pure jank

[ebon ermine]

I understand. Moderators' purviews here are limited to the discord server, and castrate on the matter I presented.

[kind veldt]

anyhow only had like less than 5 crashes since i fixed the issue last year or so

[broken solstice]

are you trying to make aspect pissed at you? lol he said hes done with the convo

[elfin hazel]

I feel I'm more defensive of EAC because of this game alone

[kind veldt]

so i actually think game is stable-ish

i just dont like EAC since it clearly doesnt like me just having a controller plugged in

[elfin hazel]

because theres a lot more to anti cheat than just the front end name brand thing that pops up at the start and a lot of people don't seem to realize EAC isn't the whole picture !

[ebon ermine]

my post does not preclude him

[kind veldt]

will skip the cheater conversation since i know it's an PVP issue and i dont actively participate on PVP

but my view on cheating and DZ are not that one of EAC being an effective one

[broken solstice]

just sayin. ya pinged him there

[kind veldt]

yes i know there's more to it but i'm just saying what i'm seeing as a consumer of this that has EAC implemented on it, will stop here now

now back to angrily shacking my fist to the sky about poncho being paid

[elfin hazel]

I think they should remove PVP from the game entirely actually

25 is rough but I guesssssss I can see why it is

[kind veldt]

i dont think the game "make your own build" structure doesnt really align with PVP i think

hope they can achieve better things with heartlands since it's designed with that aspect being more prevalent there

[elfin hazel]

ya

I hope heartlands does well for that

[kind veldt]

stupid question does the mobile game even have PVP?

[elfin hazel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I have heard nothing of it outside of the like first 2 press releases

[frosty wadi]

I don’t think it really works to its best in general

[kind veldt]

more that you create too many stats with too many permutations that will be impossible to reach a decent balance

[frosty wadi]

Resolve is definitely going to help fix that but I still think its overall just not impactful enough

Yea

[kind veldt]

resolve is definetly going to make things MILES better

but meh, PVP in this game just doesnt click with me

[frosty wadi]

Pvp in division has always been garbage with a few shining moments, I get that there are people who like it but it desperately needed a separate pvp focused game for that

[ebon ermine]

without adequate anticheat policing, that is moot

[frosty wadi]

As long as heartland doesn’t keep running laps around people being a viable strategy its gonna be an automatic improvement, Im just not sure on the rest of the game

[elfin hazel]

pvp in division is only good when people have no idea what they are doing or what good builds are

(launch)

[frosty wadi]

^

[kind veldt]

it just doenst feel like playing a shooter and a bit too much like pokemon

[frosty wadi]

division I think leans so far into build crafting and stats that it actually starts to restrict itself

Division needs to lean more on it being a tactical shooter, that is also a looter shooter

It definitely forgets its a tactical shooter a lot

I hope the third game changes build crafting in a good way

[modest lintel]

Thats the whole idea, not restricting itself

[kind veldt]

eh... it's not really a tactical shooter

mixing tactical shooter with loot shooter actually goes bad

[modest lintel]

It is tactical, knowing your build, stats

[kind veldt]

gr breakpoint was not really great because of that

[frosty wadi]

They market as one, and they brand it as one, the issue is they don’t even try to make it one

[frosty wadi]

Breakpoint didn’t even try but yea its not great

Breakpoint had only a 2 year development period

[ebon ermine]

you mean like, when standing around like a pylon, reviewing loot piles? lol

[modest lintel]

They can market whichever they want this game to be without stereotyping this game to specific thing

[lone valve]

I mean that's what's great about division tbh imo

[modest lintel]

👍

[ebon ermine]

saw that one coming a mile away when the beta test came out during Wildlands... it's why I never invested

[kind veldt]

mean wanting stuff very high lethality, stealth, sniping and so on that wildlands has, doesnt mix well with the concept of making builds that has multiple stats to let you tank granades or crits

[frosty wadi]

Its not great when the stats play such a factor that more than half the builds you can make are borderline trash in endgame content, and the game heavily relies on you replaying the same missions and modes over and over on harder difficulties

[lone valve]

I mean that's a staple since division 1

[modest lintel]

There are other great games that matching your description

[kind veldt]

i like the gameplay of division and think it's good, but ceoncepts of it are incompatible with PVP and tactical shooter

[lone valve]

Hell you could say div 1 was even more stats based

Hell div 2 before wony was even more of a stats nightmare

[modest lintel]

Division 2 compatible with pvp too

[kind veldt]

div1 if you go back it's way more bullet spongy for both the player and enemy

definetly even more a game of inflated numbers in some funny ways, still fun tho

[lone valve]

Never minded that in division tbh

Like people complained about bulle sponges but for me was never an issue

[kind veldt]

if you buy division wantin ghost recon you are going to have a bad time, at the same time getting realistic and grounded scenario with people dieing only after you replace all their brain matter with 60 lead bullets can also be jarrying

[small spear]

i don't mind bullet sponges tbh, i think most people coming into division 1 thought it was sort of realistic when it was meant to be a rpg that happened to be a shooter with humans

[frosty wadi]

Bullet spongy enemies isn’t necessarily a problem but it does become one when you factor in builds that just simply aren’t about damage

[kind veldt]

not saying this is the case for anyone but intially game had a bit of indentity crysis

yeah this game in particular struggle to give tank builds a reason to exist

[lone valve]

It was pre launch marketing where they failed

[kind veldt]

healers and skills get by most scenarios

[lone valve]

So easy to solve
Threat system

Div 1 had it
Decoy has it

[kind veldt]

yeah something i complained since forums days

[frosty wadi]

I think truly the issue with buildcrafting is just weapon damage and the fact that straight up direct weapon damage is tied to a core

It’s definitely something that can’t change in div 2

[lone valve]

There's much they can learn for div 3

[frosty wadi]

It definitely doesn’t help the fact that there simply are a lot of scenarios and instances of just mowing down enemies before they can even shoot you or leave a spawn point

[modest lintel]

There are many elements that ties to weapon damage not just “core”

[frosty wadi]

Yes, but a core is a fundamental component

[modest lintel]

Nope

[frosty wadi]

You wouldn’t have a damage build without one

[modest lintel]

Yes u can

🙂

[small spear]

the multiplier does go down significantly but it's not like other bonuses aren't as strong to make up for red core loss

[kind veldt]

well thats really the problem with red core brands

good luck convincing anyone that you should use one that gives stability over CHC/CHD

how much stability and reload speed would you need to give someone to use 2 or 3 pieces of fenrir

[frosty wadi]

Its kinda just the issue with red cores and their related pieces

[kind veldt]

crits are OP

dont wnat them nerfed

[frosty wadi]

A good way to fix it would probably just be removing flat weapon damage increases from anything that isn’t a talent or gear set and just tie damage increases to other stats

[kind veldt]

but good luck convincing anyone that anything else is a better alternative

[frosty wadi]

Obviously something that can’t happen in this game

[kind veldt]

eh... this was kinda a thing in the 1.0 version of the game

talents carried so much damage that people could make all rounder builds of tank with high skill power that had good DPS just by stacking talents

[frosty wadi]

It really all depends on what they do with division 3

[kind veldt]

different game different rules

[frosty wadi]

My fear is just the third game basically just being the same game with minor changes

[kind veldt]

dont think so

[lone valve]

Nah lol they can see where the game failed

If they are smart they build division 3 with a long term vision
Unlike this game that was supposed to end in season 4

[kind veldt]

i mean the big change from health to the armor system is clearly visible as something so big that you couldnt make in div 1

[lone valve]

(I still rather have HP tbh)

[kind veldt]

i'm fine with armor system, issue became that ONLY armor matter and not health

[lone valve]

Their insta armor kit they are introducing is a step in the right direction

They kinda need to make it more than 25% tho

[kind veldt]

dont like that actually

will make people forget cover even more

i think it being small amount is a fair trade

[lone valve]

I mean it'll be handy if on fire

And ur armor is very low

Just quickly use it

[kind veldt]

div1 a good build would just ignore cover even on legendary

[blissful adder]

who care how u name it. there is no real difference in changing health to the armor system. now armor = health. thats all, we dont have real option to use health or build somehow it traits for health etc

[kind veldt]

game became a snooze fest

[frosty wadi]

Tbf, cover is kinda eh, like, Id much rather have a soft cover system with a crouch button than have a cover system

[lone valve]

Some of the animations of ur player getting into cover are too slow
That on the animation ur still getting shot by the enemies

[kind veldt]

well there is more to that change than just armor being a bar, there is armor kits forcing players to stand still while the animation plays out instead of just popping magical medkits, most healing skills being slow over time instead of super instant unless you are at a high skill tier

div1 had a higher TTK and also at the same time had people running around like headless chickens way more because they could get away with it

just run and pop a super strong medkit or healing skill that also boosts your stats

that part of div1 health and healing vs div 2 slower armor is what i meant

[frosty wadi]

I really don’t understand why people wanted instant use health back

[kind veldt]

not just painting the number to say armor instead of health

because they want a faster paced game

but game having that while being faster paced also created stuff like chicken dance

[lone valve]

Maybe not a insta heal back but I'd rather have the support station over the hive that's for sure

[frosty wadi]

The chicken dance is exactly why I don’t bother with pvp in the first place

[kind veldt]

sadly no solution is perfect

[frosty wadi]

Ive had good pvp moments and Ive had triple the amount of bad moments

[blissful adder]

nah. that just about being bar. armor kits are just another type of magical medkits. u can balance medkits to make it work like armorkits now. there is no real reason to add extra armor bar.

[lone valve]

Div 1 pvp was also much more easy for PVE players to grind it tbh

Extremely large dz meant you could if you knew what u were doing just avoid rogues if you wanted

[frosty wadi]

What was the point in giving enemies armor anyways

Like ai enemies

[kind veldt]

they having healers with different effects

[pastel stump]

Didn't they have armor in div 1

[kind veldt]

where high tier also gave them armor back and low tier just health or overheal

[blissful adder]

sry. dont think so but they literally tell us we just painting the number to say armor instead of health

[frosty wadi]

Ima be real I never noticed outside of legendary missions

[kind veldt]

what i meant is that the basics of div 1 health were largely changed with div2 design to make the game slower that could be associated with changing the name from health to armor is what i meant

[frosty wadi]

If they bring back armor I want the enemies to be wearing breakable armor like some enemies occasionally do

[kind veldt]

i mean i could break down and just say all games are just numbers so all games are the same thing

and i did say that the game suffers from an issue that health stat is pretty much useless

health needs to have more weight and not just armor

which is another issue that tank builds have

[kind veldt]

what do you mean? armor as damage mitigation % instead of an exrta health bar?

[blissful adder]

we don't have any differences in the interaction with armor or health. enemy? just shoot them. The only difference we have items, builds, and healing for armor. what about health? Well, it just exists.

[blissful adder]

yep, agree)

[frosty wadi]

I mean as in actually have a reason for stats like damage to armor and damage to health by making health 50\50, with enemies wearing different pieces of actual armor with its own separate bars, or having the ability to shoot their body parts not covered in armor

[kind veldt]

isnt that the case with hyenas rushers, robo dogs, and few other enemies?

[frosty wadi]

Like if they are gonna bring back armor for enemies actually have it serve a purpose

[frosty wadi]

Not really, because they still have the armor issues that you were describing with the player armor and health

Armor for enemies currently really is just a piece of gear that just makes them even more bullet spongy

[thorny talon]

I think small dz is better

[kind veldt]

well enemies have more armor than health

yet damage to health is more popular due weird mechanics

[frosty wadi]

I would prefer going back to having just heath, and then enemies having armor pieces to block damage

Especially because armor on enemies is already pretty uncommon and is only on some enemies

[thorny talon]

Dta,dtoc are also popular just depending on faction u vary item

[thorny talon]

Not a great mechanism for a grindy looter shooter

[kind veldt]

you know that white part on enemy health bar is armor right?

so all veterans and elites have like 60% or even 80% of their effective health being armor

[frosty wadi]

Yes, not physical, thats why I said its the same as the player having armor and heath

It simply just shouldn’t exist because it’s literally just another health bar

Go back to having heath specifically

Enemies in game will occasionally wear an actual piece of armor that you must destroy to get your full damage on an area, make that more common for a third game

[kind veldt]

by it was that way in the first game also, how do they go back if that was never the case?

[frosty wadi]

I think you just misunderstand what Im saying

[thorny talon]

Just use a sniper lil bro

[kind veldt]

i'm just bit confused with saying to going back to health specifically since it's still the same system

[frosty wadi]

I’ll try and get images later for what I mean specifically

[kind veldt]

i understand what you mean, that if shot someone in the arm the would take health damage and not armor damage

localized damage and so on, i just found saying "go back" to that

[frosty wadi]

In div1 enemy health was specifically all one bar, not split into two like with armor and health no?

[kind veldt]

no it was health bar with a bunch of white bars above that were their armor just like this game

[frosty wadi]

All footage Ive seen just had heath so my mistake

[kind veldt]

https://mp1st.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/the-division-legendary-missions-solo-guide.jpg

exception was hunters that ONLY had health like players

but A LOT of health and could insta pop medkits, dodgeroll and so on

[frosty wadi]

Most I’ve watched of div1 is survival so probably thats why

But truly what is the point in having enemies just having two health bars, that just simply doesn’t make much sense, should just minimize it into one heath bar

[lone valve]

There's a reason we had enemy armor damage

[kind veldt]

and why ARs were even more meta when they had damage to armor as base stat

[lone valve]

Didn't lmgs have like 22 or smth percent dttooc

[kind veldt]

cant remember the numbers too well

[frosty wadi]

At the end of the day I just want the third game to make drastic changes especially for enemies

[kind veldt]

still think that rifles should have gotten damage to armor and shotguns bodyshot damage

well third game is there to have drastic changes i'm sure of it

[frosty wadi]

I love that the lvoa didn’t get buffed at all🗿

[lone valve]

I'm just gonna say this
If you expect the game to lean more into ghost recon and be more realistic
Don't think that's gonna happen

[frosty wadi]

Never once have I said that

[lone valve]

the rifles need stability tbh not more damage

[frosty wadi]

Where did I say that

[lone valve]

If it did get buffed it would've been damage

Like every rifle got buffed

Which is the wrong way to buff them

Like the M16 got a 30% damage buff
But it still handles horribly

[frosty wadi]

I still personally think all the ar model rifles should have the option to just hold down the trigger to keep firing, not full auto just so that I and others don’t have to keep spam firing

Just a quality of life change

[lone valve]

They are gonna do that but make it exclusive to a rifle gearset

[frosty wadi]

That from a source?

[kind veldt]

honestly dont have problem with handling of rifles

my issue is that semi auto weapons shouldnt force you to fire them 25 times to kill anything

[frosty wadi]

Thats why I believe you should hold down the trigger

[lone valve]

It was me joking on how they made changed the fire turret but only when using the gearset

[frosty wadi]

Don’t give me hope

[lone valve]

No problem with how the USC handles?

[frosty wadi]

Legitimately just give rifles the option to hold down the trigger and they would immediately start seeing more use

[lone valve]

I mean there could be a good chance that season 3 gearset is a rifle one
We'll see in the pts phase 2 in January

[frosty wadi]

I do want that but truly only if you can full auto a rifle

Its just due to the fact that they aren’t comfortable to use

[kind veldt]

i mean that could happen as accessibility option

[frosty wadi]

It should

[nocturne frigate]

hey does "aid hostage rescue" for the campus project apply to everywhere or only downtown west

[lunar nimbus]

My friend decided to buy The Day Before saying it looked more fun that TD2 😂.

Also, did I miss anything much I took a break for like 2 months after finished grinding for my DPS build.

[frosty bane]

dunno, Im currently going through wony

[nocturne frigate]

Rip his 40 dollars

[ebon ermine]

Did anyone on the PTS for Project Palliative request being able to kill the civilians (inc. the ones that bump you out of menu in the BoO)?

[frosty wadi]

💀

[wet kiln]

hello

[azure lintel]

is countdown the best way to get st elmos engine?

[modest lintel]

everyone want elmo, in the past eb eb eb eb

[shy musk]

i just realized my pc doesnt meet the minimum requirements for this game

[frosty wadi]

I mean, yea that happens when a gun gets nerfed to hell and back

[shy musk]

after 100 hours of gameplay

idgaf at this point im still playing this

[frosty wadi]

Only real reason elmos is popular is that its just an m4 with stats on drugs

[shy musk]

yes

play with assault as targetted loot + countdown cache 🙏

[azure lintel]

ty

[wet kiln]

fair enough

i know my pc doesnt meet the requirements before i started playing it, and its running fine so i dont complain

[shy musk]

my fps dies occasionally but

it isnt too much of an issue

[wet kiln]

well i do get some lag spikes but running 30-40fps

as long as its above 30 its fine for me

[limpid kindle]

Someone could defeat the recruiter? His true identity is the agent johnson from the division?

And why become the bad guy?

[barren kettle]

Anyone know why it's saying I need to meet jack Arnold when I have on my own world?

[ebon ermine]

are you in someone else's group?

it could be for them

[barren kettle]

What part of in my own world? Means I'm in my own world no group

[ebon ermine]

that's not what you said, though

[bright tangle]

Can the Chill Out mask drop with anything besides armor regen?

[neon wyvern]

Recal the armor regen then

[ebon ermine]

what you asked is why the notification says to meet whomever when you have in your world... you didn't confirm that you were in your world when that notification prompted

[bright tangle]

I'm trying to get a status roll so I can recal the armor into skill

[neon wyvern]

Use an electrique piece

[barren kettle]

Yeah I'm in my own world I've already talked to him and done all the missions for him

[bright tangle]

So does it roll with anything besides armor regen?

[neon wyvern]

yes

[bright tangle]

Okay, thanks

[ebon ermine]

as long as it doesn't preclude you from progressing, don't worry about it... it would just be one of many annoying false positive notifications

[ebon ermine]

As an example, the Babyface vest appearance mod, when it was introduced, used to erroneously drop as an actual bugged vest. When you picked it up, it disappeared [was deleted] from your inventory. Since then, anyone who did so has a permanent NEW ITEM notification in their inventory. We documented the occurrence and its cause and presented it to the devs. They 'claim' they have been investigating it ever since... translation... too small of an issue to correct. If they would have actually attempted to remediate it, it would have already been done.

[grand perch]

do hunters have infinite armour kits?

[wet kiln]

i just starting playing the division 2 any tips?

[ebon ermine]

no, but hunter parameters are different for open world / Summit / Countdown / missions

[grand perch]

in open world

[ebon ermine]

no, but in the case of the quad by the Xmas tree.. they can revive each other... I remember when it was first available and soloed... I ended having to kill SEVEN... three were revived

also, the trio/quad.. can't remember... in NY... the final one runs for it... so you had better keep them contained, or you'll lose that mask

Also... don't take too long trying to kill hunters. In general, they have a nasty habit of disappearing into a cloud of smoke.

[grand perch]

yeah i just run at them with scorpio

[ebon ermine]

Lucky you... back then we had gear 1.0, and no cheese guns. 😛 lol

[pliant sentinel]

back then we only have rocks and a piece of gum to fight those hunters

we over here with out caveman build and theyre fighting us with classified striker and classified nomad

[ebon ermine]

Nostalgia. What was the bleed one called again?

[short aspen]

sadist ?

[small spear]

predator from div1?

[ebon ermine]

Just looked it up... "Predator's Mark"

Yeah, I had that on an Alejandro... was fun

[opal radish]

Broken Set

[thorny talon]

Ironic how hunters had such a strong plot armor the final boss has to be nuked and not gunned because that would make them look cheap

[ebon ermine]

Yeah. Back then bleed was viable, even perhaps D2's original Ongoing Directive... but now it's mainly to supplement someone else's damage... D1's bleed has been replaced with D2's burn for actual damage.

[opal radish]

Yup

[vernal berry]

The recruiter has been the most times ive had to wipe a final manhunt boss yet its the most absurdly simple boss fight once you figure it out

And I hate the fact it took me 15 attempts

[autumn crystal]

i dont know whats that just reached lvl 40

cant seem to find striker set 😄

do you know where it is?

[autumn crystal]

anyone wants to play some descent?

[full zinc]

You can hit r when you have your map open and it will show you where all the target loot is assigned.
Striker looks like a revolver cylinder and is green.

Countdown and summit missions both have target loot you can select. Loot on the upper right for summit. Hover over that and hold h and you can select it there. Its shared for both missions.

Countdown is accessed in maps.
map> matchmaking> countdown > difficulty
Use challenging, it's the most populated and easiest to carry new agents until they get used to the mission. They are short, 15 mins, so it's very little time commitment but a lot of item drops

[finite mortar]

the game crashed twice at the of end of countdown 💀

[errant pond]

hello, hope yall are doing well. im new to the game and started doing the winter event to get the xmas outfits I am level 5 and have gotten to the part to get santas jacket but it wont spawn

[mint wolf]

hey so the next season which is season 3 year 5 is focus more on story related to keener ryt it will not have any new content like new incursion or game mode but it will heavily focus on story

[cedar flicker]

If anyone already have ravenous n eagle bearer, can it drop on countdown?

[real creek]

No, these drop in the raid and a small chance in the DZ only.

[cedar flicker]

Even if u already having that weapon?

[broken solstice]

yea

[cedar flicker]

Really hard then. Thanks bro

[placid citrus]

guys i have a question if im level 30 and the black tusk came in is it possible to revert it? i dont wana retake control points for the moment

[sterile ferry]

you can ignore CPs

[placid citrus]

i need them to fast travel tho

[runic jetty]

I’m new

I have not played on 2 years

[sterile ferry]

not really i'd say, missions and safe houses are spaced out enough in the map

[full zinc]

best bet is to push through finish dc, and ny expansion. then youll have all endgame loot and itll be easier to maintain all control points green if prefered. half the content is after ny expansion

#lfg-playstation

[serene elk]

why tf is the Roosevelt island manhunt so unreasonably long

each section has 5 waves of enemies

and there are no checkpoints in bounties

[tall dew]

Why do people kill the hunters in countdown at the start then leave ..? Is there a reason behind it or 🤔

[fluid meadow]

They used to for named items. Now it is no more so there really is no reason

Maybe they see team struggling from the start so they leave

[tall dew]

Probably but super frustrating as I’m just tryna farm for loot 🥹

[fluid meadow]

Not hard to queue for another countdown match anyway

[tall dew]

Yea I know , but OCE servers just everyone leaves back to back

[fluid meadow]

OCE?

[wanton swan]

How do I queue PVP and actually find a game?

[fluid meadow]

Conflict or dz?

[wanton swan]

Conflict. Whats dz?

[fluid meadow]

It's pvpve but you can matchmake there

[fluid meadow]

You can either talk to the lady under the helipad in white house or open map and you should find conflict menu to the left of project menu

[wanton swan]

nice thank you

[tall dew]

Oceanic servers

[fluid meadow]

Huh? I only know of Asia Europe us east us west us central and brazil

[serene elk]

OCE is south of SEA

Australia and New Zealand

and al related coutnries thereabouts

[fluid meadow]

My bad forgot Australia servers existed lmao

[proud locust]

Had to warn NGN about the fight he’s about to get but didn’t spoil anything

[tall dew]

😭🤣

[proud locust]

Wanting to make sure he’s well prepared

[jaunty haven]

that fight with 4 man heroic is more cancer than running 130 incursions without ouro 😐

[glad sapphire]

good morning. TD2vet(1.2K at Release) lfg someone to reboot with

[proud locust]

Exactly which is why I warned him to get the best of the best to help him in his final mission because it’s a nightmare for him to beat it alone

The last time he was swearing, so much was the moment he got killed by sparkle so many time

Or as he describes it satans hellhound

[real creek]

Check out dem #lfg-pc also the LFG has kinda died here due to the lack of VC channels so you might want to look to some other discords.

[glad sapphire]

i had u on my blocklist.....from years ago i guess xD

[real creek]

meh, I only block people for racist/sexist type stuff. A bad interaction isn't an entire person.

Some people did get upset with me when I required a min standard for raid builds way back in the day cause it was a long day at work and sometimes you don't feel like doing a hard carry raid. I don't think I've really had much bad interactions with people tho.

[fluid meadow]

Getting mad over having a shit build

Crazy work

[real creek]

Dude lets be honest, people still defend their horrible builds. "oh it works in solo heroic for me" or my favorite "you should try it out before judging" bro I'm not gonna farm your defunct build. If you have fun that's cool but objectively it's probably not a good build.

[full zinc]

Disagree with my build... instant block /s

[fluid meadow]

Heroic!=raid/legendary

Imagine HF

[full zinc]

It isnt. It's like half the mission with a bunch of easy ads...

[sterile ferry]

didnt say it was hard, just said it was long

[hybrid ore]

I think Deck' was implying that since it's only half the length, it's shorter than a normal Roosevelt run.

I haven't ran it in about 2 years, but I don't recall it being particularly lengthy.

[jaunty haven]

difficulty isnt the problem its the length 😄

[real creek]

👀

[jaunty haven]

ok i realized i could have worded that better

[real creek]

lol

[full zinc]

Just means you need faster time to kill if it's too long.. also difficulty certainly was the issue if lack of checkpoints became an issue.
@sterile ferry
@jaunty haven

This roosevelt manhunt was way easier than Jupiter manhunt @ roosevelt..

[copper shoal]

Works great in all content.

[real creek]

Everything works great if you have a loose definition of great.

[jaunty haven]

i had a guy in MM insisting on using negotiators into the incursion cauz it works in heroic manhunt. He ended up quitting instantly after completion cauz the healer had more damage doen running DPS at truck phase than he did lul

[real creek]

Yeah nego doens't work on those bosses lol

You also only deal with 1-2 targets for most of it considering the other 2-3 dps will chew up your potential targets.

[fluid meadow]

I think the only better alternative to striker in incursion is HSD striker lmao

[real creek]

I mean it's only good if you are DCH and have a proper team otherwise it's poopy DPS compared to crit strikers.

[grand perch]

the incursion is so biased to striker its insane

200 stacks is free for all of the phases

[real creek]

Big boi DPS check is fun and interactive!

[fluid meadow]

Raid has that too with iron horse and razorback

Free stacks always

[jaunty haven]

i juust want pred back

i miss pred

[grand perch]

yeah but atleast theres other things going on, in incursion its just hold m1 for 3 of the players for every phase

[jaunty haven]

member they said dont just bring DPS into incursion? and then its just unga bunga dps check? 😄

[real creek]

Boomer defense boxes at the start, buddy lucy, hell DH boss two as well.

[fluid meadow]

Striker's needs an eventual L

[grand perch]

did the devs actually say that

[jaunty haven]

ye its on the VOD where they introduced the incursion

[fluid meadow]

"It's gonna be hard"

[real creek]

lol I seen some guys did a 4 man speed run of IH in under 22 minutes, talking to other speed guys and they are pretty sure sub 20 is possible 4 man IH normal raids.

[lethal halo]

Is there a bug going around that the manhunt stays at 95% after you rescue Vik?

[real creek]

tbf the incursion and most content is very hard for most people. I wish they'd release the average data for most completion times and such to get a better idea.

oh wait hacker times would mess that up on pc wouldn't it.

[lethal halo]

Oh wait nvm I kept leaving the area by accident

Welp wish me luck im bout to take on the recruiter

[real creek]

Use a pulse to find the things you can't find...

[fluid meadow]

Easily discarded runs that are sub 6 to 5 mins

[jaunty haven]

you mean im not human 😱

[lethal halo]

Gotcha. Which skills should I replace? I use cluster seekers and fixer drone

[jaunty haven]

use gun and shoot skills get disabled in there