td2-general-chat

[frozen meadow]

Monument

[latent stone]

I'm new to the game. Been here for like 3 weeks. I've no idea what you're talking about, and I've no time to spend on someone crying over exploiters being banned for causing the game to be unplayable for a massive amount of people.

[frozen meadow]

It's buggy af

[torpid plume]

I copied the video at night

[chrome kiln]

and @latent stone you are right but not so much. it's not about the Faye xp farm, or anderson before that. It's the action taken . Banning players from using a ingame mechanism to glitch. correct. However, the real cheaters, that use outside programs to give them advantage are let loose and by the ignorance towards them, the devs actually encourage this. This is the actual problem. The cheaters are a problem for the past 3 years or more vs the Anderson / Faye glitch for what ? 3 months ? it's kinda stupid

[grand edge]

This is gonna make me sound like a super fanboy
But what’s wrong with fixing something that effects the money?
The less money they make the less inclined they are to keep the game running

[chrome kiln]

@torpid plume kill the lights right and left, then salute

[latent stone]

What have the devs done to encourage using external applications to cheat?

[chrome kiln]

nothing. exactly my point

but by using a mechanism . they have ingame, i get banned.

[torpid plume]

Oh you're new fair enough I thought you knew what you were talking about

[chrome kiln]

it's perplex.

[frozen meadow]

There's a difference between exploitation, cheating, and glitching

[latent stone]

That doesn't encourage them to cheat.

It is far easier to fix inner workings of their game, or to compensate for their own mistakes in coding, than it is to stop programs unrelated to the game from functioning.

[torpid plume]

Haha fair point but yeah it's lead to the game being in this state so.... Not cool.

[latent stone]

And anyone exploiting the game deserves it.

[chrome kiln]

by doing nothing, it;s encouraging.

[latent stone]

No, it's not

[frozen meadow]

You did do something lol

You took advantage of something that wasn't intended. The sole purpose was to abuse something.

[latent stone]

Oi, ima just start blocking anyone who cries over exploiters being banned.

[torpid plume]

Yeah basically they could have fixed those issues instead of the poor decisions they have made

[frozen meadow]

You shoulda seen the banwave. This server was FLOOOOOOODED with complaints

[chrome kiln]

you're telling me , xp glitch by ingame mechanism is at the same lvl as a problem with aimbot, laser guns in DZ ?

[torpid plume]

To some people in here it's 1000x worse lol

[grand edge]

True

[chrome kiln]

i bet u never been shut down in DZ from 30 buildings apart

[torpid plume]

Yeah people using mod menus with no consequences 😴

[latent stone]

If you exploit the game, regardless of how/why/what, you will have no sympathy from me lol

[chrome kiln]

your sympathy , sorry to say, means nothing to anyone. all that matters is the order of priority from devs.

which it seems, it's all messed up.

[latent stone]

Inb4 this chat is nothing but faye lau exploiters crying about other bugs in the following weeks. The salt farming will be gorgeous

[torpid plume]

So you want bugs in the game? Nice 🤣

[latent stone]

I couldn't care less about your xp farm. I'd love to be able to do game modes or missions outside of DC without constant 3 second latency or crashing.

[chrome kiln]

totally agree. mail the devs to patch that. it's patchable 🙂

[broken solstice]

A cheat or hack or whatever in the DZ that lets ppl shoot thru buildings or fire the nemesis like a SMG fire rates, that only affects some of the people in that dz instance. The XP exploits affect everyone in the whole game. I would prioritize the problem that affects everyone

[chrome kiln]

set time spawn - 120 sec. as thety would normally spawn. for 20 min and than there is no more spawn = no more xp farm.

2 min* , not 20 :))

[torpid plume]

That's too difficult 🤣

[latent stone]

Exactly. Which is why I'm now working under the assumption that people crying over faye Lau contributed to the issue and aren't worth my time 😄

[torpid plume]

True but why put raid exotics in the DZ when it's known for being a hackers paradise and why do nothing about the hackers ever?

[frozen meadow]

same here lol

[torpid plume]

That's just encouraging the hackers and sending them more victims imo

[frozen meadow]

which is more important, 1 cheater in dz or 50 people lagging the servers so bad that 500 people cant do certain things in the game

you have to think about the perspective of whos most affected

[frozen meadow]

tbh ive only encountered one hacker in dz

[chrome kiln]

mate, both are super bad. i'm talking about the devs chosing ONLY to address this xp farm

[torpid plume]

Lucky you then

[chrome kiln]

ever. that's it. it's like they don't even see when we all type "cheaters" .." what's that "

[frozen meadow]

because its significantly easier to handle lol

you cant prevent hacking lol

you can mitigate it but not prevent it

[chrome kiln]

i could agree to play D2 and encoutner 1 cheater every 1 month. np, i log out, i change server and that's it. but right now, not that possible. ( DZ )

[frozen meadow]

for me it is so idk what youre on about

and for majority of the people ive ever played dz with

what kind of cheats are you going against like every time you enter dz

[latent stone]

I havent encountered any, but you don't need hacks to make dz a less than thrilling experience. Just a few rogue agents with regulus one tap builds and I'd rather spend my time elsewhere

[frozen meadow]

we are talking about hacking :p

hacking/cheating

being poopy head

[latent stone]

I know. I'm saying legit players can make dz annoying enough that you don't need hacks to make it annoying for others

And that I haven't run into any hackers in dz

[latent stone]

Odds are they're just calling others hackers so they can feel better about losing.

[frozen meadow]

happens more often than youd think. i used to do it myself til' i realized i was just bad

top conflict clans all do it to each other

[pine quarry]

that front page message is so satisfying

[frozen meadow]

its super common to be called out as a hacker

[leaden totem]

max rolled waveform today is a good day 🙂

[frozen meadow]

i have a max rolled reviver hive fear me

by that i mean i spent 96 exotic components to get it to expertise 22

[leaden totem]

D; sharing is caring ❤️

[latent stone]

It was rampant in other pvp centric games I played. Anyone with an ounce of skill was hackusated during every match

[frozen meadow]

its actually saved many runs before lol

[frozen meadow]

hackusating is so common its funny lol

i learned to take gaming significantly less seriously because otherwise it becomes toxic hackusating everywhere

[latent stone]

Ive found games more fun to not bother with hackusating bc it just causes unnecessary stress and outrage. Case and point with the above people

[leaden totem]

ive got 117 components which im not using o3o

[frozen meadow]

youll use em stupid quick

[frozen meadow]

i try to stay clear of pvp for that reason

[leaden totem]

yeah thats why im intentionally not using them until i have the perfect build considering how most stuff changes every title update im gonna pass on that

also hold up whats the point of range on a reviver hive

like wut

most of the people who use it is generally for themselves when they go down

[frozen meadow]

im nice :)

[leaden totem]

err

[latent stone]

Said games im thinking of were entirely pvp, no pve. But ye, I just do pve here so far. Granted I only have like 180-190hrs so far

[leaden totem]

but you dont get any additional revive charges xd

[latent stone]

7 charges on a revive cant be used if you dont have all 7 people in range 😬

[leaden totem]

i could just deploy at my feet so that most of them who are close get picked up

[latent stone]

But what about the people further away? D:

Think about the snipers.

[leaden totem]

you need to throw it to them ouo

[frozen meadow]

2 charges with kard custom

[leaden totem]

xd

[frozen meadow]

its actually saved runs before

[leaden totem]

im too nub to do that ouo

even though i know im supposed to

[frozen meadow]

well increased range means increased throwing distance

since it can reach further out

[leaden totem]

1%?

[frozen meadow]

22%

i have it maxed out

[leaden totem]

O:

oh yeah its 1% for each level

[frozen meadow]

lol

i also have 21 on my striker shield and bulwark shield

and 21 on my fire sticky

[leaden totem]

D;

gib exotic components 🥺

[frozen meadow]

i blew em all

lol

[naive sand]

ok true son elite kill is so slow

[frozen meadow]

Just run ih a bunch

Or countdown or Lincoln memorial

[naive sand]

i tried capitol

on heroic they didn't spawn that many

[frozen meadow]

I didn't say capitol lol

[naive sand]

gotta test memorial

u finished urs?

[frozen meadow]

my what

[twin shuttle]

keep in mind, u dont need to do all objectives

do the 3 hard missions this week... 10/10

and the 3 hard mission next week

job done, ull get the rewards... whtever else u do along the way will be just a bonus!

[balmy cedar]

Run it with 4 people

Then just kill steal

🫠

[neon falcon]

Love that I can't play Manning on hard even though I've beat it before. Only story is available.

[toxic willow]

replay it on story

[dusty mural]

man what do you even do to get 85k lvls XD

[neon falcon]

1984

[proud locust]

Not gonna play division2 at the moment as the irl power spike disrupted the liberty island mission as I was finishing it up

[latent stone]

Or... or... hive range

[covert owl]

thats why i cant get 10/10 because of those lags and still didnt not changed anything hope tomorrow server mainteance will do the help of fighting off lags

[neon falcon]

Bro liberty Island sucks so hard

You have to wait 11 hours for all the skills to spawn

And the turrets in the Razorback section shred you

[latent stone]

Liberty island is the keener mission, right?

[smoky stag]

jammer

[neon falcon]

Mine won't kill the razor drones

Leaves them low

May run it with a skill build

But it's really annoying

[smoky stag]

if its on story it should kill enough

[latent stone]

Think they're talking about running on hard

[graceful wind]

nah, this will be on hard for the event

[smoky stag]

still jammer lol

then oxi keener to insta kill

[sacred leaf]

Hey guys, I was told to join this server if I was looking for help with raids?

Im a returning player but I’ve never done one before, I’m by no means a bad player either if that matters

[smoky stag]

#lfg-raid-pc and #td2-raid-discussions

ah nvm
console

[sacred leaf]

This game isn’t cross plat is it

Can’t remember

[latent stone]

No

[latent stone]

I only deal like 200k dmg per tick with oxi.... what am I missing

[azure lintel]

When are the bans coming summit has been unplayable for ages

[latent stone]

They didn't say

[celest fable]

why dfq when i matchmake im the one getting the invites, WHY IS NO ONE JOINING ME?

[celest fable]

no one plays faye lau and summit still broken? lol yeah, 'tHe PlAyErS aRe ThE IiSsUe' -Division team probably

[ruby grail]

I'm going to start with a new character, if someone wants to start from scratch just talk to me and we'll start together (PC)

[leaden totem]

NO!

[latent stone]

Yes

[young burrow]

how big of a jump is it from heroic missions to legendary?

[small spear]

very big

ofc varies depending on which legendary you're referring to, as some of them are easier than others, but in short very big

[smoky stag]

heroic is jst challnging +

[young burrow]

would you recommend a certain shd lvl / gear set to use if someone were to attempt legendary

[gusty shoal]

does true patriot drop with red core? cant seem to get one

[smoky stag]

no shd level needed. proper build and game sense more important

[young burrow]

okie dokie

[fallow geyser]

so are people just wanting everything except a free matador then

players patience has suddenly become negative 7 and immediately leave when countdown starts

[small spear]

nope, just blue cores

[gusty shoal]

How do you change it? I see builds on youtube with red cores

[fallow geyser]

Recalibration

[small spear]

you farm for pieces with all the correct attributes except the core one, then change the core

[leaden totem]

Anyone know if Anderson xp farm is allowed?

[gusty shoal]

got it, thank you

[leaden totem]

Basically choose true patriot as targeted loot in countdown and grind countdown until you get crit chance and crit dmg as your attributes

Honestly best way to get gear in terms of quantity and resources

[gusty shoal]

ah ill swap to countdown, ive been doing summit ty

[leaden totem]

Np ^^

[dusty crest]

hey random question, im trying to build a skill build rn and need to optimize my backpack, it says i need true sons tactical assessments, i have a few but don't know how to get or craft them, when i see the blueprint in the crafting station its locked, anyone know why?

[small spear]

you need to farm lv3 or more control points to get the blueprints

[dusty crest]

oh ok, is it like a drop chance item or is it imidiate?

[small spear]

drop chance

[dusty crest]

alright thanks

[small spear]

you will get a random blueprint every time you complete a defense of a lv3+ CP, but no duplicates, so you'll eventually get the one you want

[dusty crest]

ok, and defense? does that mean i have to wait until they the true sons try and attack after i complete the cp?

[small spear]

yes

[dusty crest]

ok

[small spear]

you attack the CP and then defend it right

[dusty crest]

yes

[small spear]

you have to do both

[dusty crest]

alright

thanks a ton

[small spear]

np

[dusty crest]

any global difficulty i need ot be on for a better chance to get it?

[small spear]

lv3+ is challenging or higher

[dusty crest]

thanks

[broken plume]

Fun fact, without letting him reload over and over, a single Black Tusk heavy can count towards 9 weak points destroyed

Because his gun's ammo belt counts as a weak point, and every time you destroy part of his armor, or the healing pack on his back, his ammo belt respawns

[viscid cargo]

it also reappers when you stagger him after dealing enough damage to him

[supple relic]

love how the game is crashing every 5 minutes now. HOw about banning all these glitchers causing all this unstability already

[lament mirage]

No tu17.2 right today?

[wicked heron]

hey just to be sure , i cant use the enduring skin on the manic ?

[lament mirage]

Nah

[wicked heron]

suck ass

[celest fable]

how do i gain specialization points?

[celest fable]

u r wrong the think its the glitchers bro xD thats what they want u to believe

[supple relic]

prove otherwise, until then, thats what im going with lol

[celest fable]

literally NO ONE is fkin glitching atm?

theres ur fkin proof

[elfin hazel]

howd you get that

how do you know what every single player on every platform is doin rn

[celest fable]

because they are aware of the msg div2 had sent

i mean i assume they are

[supple relic]

thats not how proof works lol

[elfin hazel]

that doesn't just mean everyone will stop

[celest fable]

true

[celest fable]

welp, ull get ur proof when everyone is banned or whatever, and it still bugs out

[elfin hazel]

we know the faye exploit was one cause to server performance we know theres supposedly more reasons

[fiery cloud]

@leaden totem that was patched

[balmy cedar]

This is nice to know I usually farm true sons bc they have some juicy weakpoints

[leaden totem]

Nice can't ever have a consistent xp farm location

[viscid cargo]

cleaners also like all have weakpoints

[fiery cloud]

it was done last update

[balmy cedar]

I like the reaction the true sons get

Also the cleaners tank is a bit inconsistent for me, if it looks like a weakpoint I go for it but I don’t actually know what his weakpoints are

One on his left leg and a yellow canister on his back

[leaden totem]

Left leg right leg back canister

[viscid cargo]

also assault archetype, thrower, drone operator, technician all have weakpoints

scorchers too ofc

and heavies

[frozen meadow]

Countdown and summit were created specifically for farming wdym lmao

[leaden totem]

Summit floor 10 got nerfed hard and takes time to build up to it everytime which isn't consistent with game crashes recently

[frozen meadow]

F10 didn't get nerfed it got patched

Lol

[leaden totem]

Wut

[graceful wind]

The XP reworks next season are gonna be fun

[frozen meadow]

It was never intended to do what it did

You were never supposed to get the clear floor reward just to run it again

So it wasn't nerfed it was patched

[leaden totem]

Alright it was patched so then how is it consist xp farm xd

[frozen meadow]

Countdown/summit

[leaden totem]

Countdown takes 18 ish mins to do for less than 1 shd level

With randoms

[frozen meadow]

Then summit

[deft burrow]

is regulus craftable now?

[leaden totem]

Summit floors aren't really that consistent and isn't really farmable as you mentioned since you're not getting the same amount of xp

[frozen meadow]

Its called experience for a reason lol

[graceful wind]

I remember when Summit was the only real farm

[frozen meadow]

I remember when there wasnt targeted loot

[smoky stag]

wrong i got 20k plus levels off of it
definitely farmable back then

[leaden totem]

Resource convoys it is then

[frozen meadow]

Lmao

[deft burrow]

why cannot do faye lau xp farm?

[frozen meadow]

You'll get banned

[leaden totem]

Server stress

[deft burrow]

people have fun tho

[leaden totem]

Over how many months xd

[smoky stag]

2

[frozen meadow]

It's not fun lol

[deft burrow]

a lot of people like getting a lot of shd

[frozen meadow]

That's the problem

[leaden totem]

2 months every single day with what 6 hours each day

Or more?

[deft burrow]

so is the regulus craft bug still not patched?

[leaden totem]

Look I don't have that kind of free time, I wish I did but I dont

[frozen meadow]

YALL ITS LITERALLY CALLED EXPERIENCE FOR A REASON

[smoky stag]

i easily got 1k in 24 hours, 3k in 1 week hows that

its all moot coz its gone

just correcting what u said that it wasnt viable back then

[neon falcon]

My friend has delta-ed 3 times and my other friend delta-ed twice

[leaden totem]

Its not viable right now

[neon falcon]

Anyone else getting delta-ed?

[leaden totem]

Back then before patch sure but not anymore

[smoky stag]

isnt that what i just said?

[frozen meadow]

Truly unfortunate

[leaden totem]

I'm not talking about back then I'm talking about farming right now

[broken plume]

Huh, either neat story detail in gameplay mechanics or small bug in my favor. Doing the Viewpoint Museum invaded mission, shoot 2 elite Black Tusk snipers, get credit for 2/15 elite true sons kills

[frozen meadow]

Nah mate that's canon

xD

[cinder nacelle]

Just completed the apparel event this evening. For me open world stuff on heroic with 4 directives seems to be the fastest, mainly control points with other activities in between. Call for backup to get two other people. With full power drone/turret I can clear stuff pretty quickly.

[leaden totem]

Nice

[smoky stag]

just do league tbh 😉

[patent glacier]

i remember when there was no optimization, targeted loot, or recalibration

panics from ptsd

[surreal orbit]

Resource convoys are double XP…. If it says 250k, you actually get 500k…. Nothing but exploits is faster… easy 15/20 levels per hour…

[cinder nacelle]

Yeah I've heard about the resource convoys but I like to stick in a zone that has the target loot I like so I kill two birds with one stone. So, I just camp in that zone and clear it out. Maybe I should try RC one day.

Are there really that many RC on the map though to keep doing just that?

[astral roost]

does this count for Elite convoys/Warhound Convoys too?

[surreal orbit]

Yes

[astral roost]

Nice. Thanks.

[patent glacier]

bruh

he doesnt know

[broken plume]

That the true sons joined the black tusk? No I know, that's why I said "neat story detail in gameplay mechanics"

I just wouldn't expect little details like that to come up while replaying missions from when the game launched

[smoky stag]

the chungga doesnt count

[broken plume]

chunga doesn't count, tank controllers don't count, rushers don't count

[patent glacier]

why are chungus enemies easier than the little enemies

it should be the other way around

you can stun most of the chungus guys nonstop

[naive sand]

@frozen meadow lincoln isn't giving me enough elite

[smoky stag]

the control point near the castle settlement

[shy sigil]

How do I change the world difficulty in game?

[naive sand]

open map > global setting

[shy sigil]

I don’t see global setting on map

Is this only for New York?

[naive sand]

no

u have to beat NY

finish NY story then u get the global setting for DC and NY

[shy sigil]

Ah haven’t gotten that far lol. Just now clearing black tusk in DC

Should I push to finish DC or jump into New York?

[naive sand]

i mean it really up to u

i would just enjoy it

[patent glacier]

the first annual squid games begins in mid 2024, try not to be in crippling debt when the time comes

[shy sigil]

Uh oh

[whole pebble]

does the ninjabike messenger backpack drop in exotic caches after you get it on the season track?

[upper pilot]

can anyone host darpa for me. the mission will not unlock after breaching the pentagon

[grave geyser]

bro why am I crashing so much right now, I've CTD'd 3 times in like 15 minutes

all this crashing is not helping me when I'm trying to do the league

[torpid plume]

Because the devs don't know what they are doing and the game code is a mess

[open junco]

But ppl doing the Faye thing was the problem hmmm

[balmy cedar]

O my what a genius

[grave geyser]

yes it was

[torpid plume]

They had to give the gullible people someone to blame that wasn't the dev team lol now I'm sure the game is still buggy but why is that 🤣

[grave geyser]

well not THE problem but A problem

[fervent jacinth]

I myself haven't done the glitches
But why are ppl who are doing it getting a tempo ban
Jst revert their level to what it was
It's a bug with the game so the Dev's problem

[torpid plume]

Nobody is doing it anymore and the game is still having the same issues

[balmy cedar]

It had issues before the exploit 😲

[fervent jacinth]

So ubi or massive whatever is jst crying rn

[torpid plume]

That's too much common sense of an idea to set levels back lol easy way is to ban

[torpid plume]

Basically yes

[fervent jacinth]

😱😱common sense?? No , we know to ban someone

• literally the Dev's rn

Maintenance checks are becoming too common a thing now
Dev's getting too comfortable

[torpid plume]

Yep copy and paste seasons where the manhunt targets look the same and the new big game mode they are talking about is basically an upside down summit lol

[upper pilot]

screw this been trying to get this dapra mission unlocked, but someone it won't unlock

somehow*

[torpid plume]

Yeah it's broken at the moment unfortunately

[elfin hazel]

if you break tos & you get warned if you continue you'll get a temp 2 week ban thats on you

reverting levels does nothing if theres not a reason for people to just go back

[frozen meadow]

🍿

[elfin hazel]

like say I did the glitch and gained however many levels & had those levels reverted whats to stop me from just going back and doing it again not a thing

[frozen meadow]

Aren't they gonna perm ban repeat offenders

[elfin hazel]

2 week ban at first if you continue & then a perm ban if you continue after that

[frozen meadow]

Yeah

[elfin hazel]

I don't think anyone has gotten banned yet

[frozen meadow]

Probably have

Or they will be after maintenance

[elfin hazel]

I'm sure soon enough we'll see people claiming they got banned

[frozen meadow]

Remember like a month ago when I said people would be banned for this

[elfin hazel]

honestly ngl I'm still a bit surprised

[frozen meadow]

I'm not

I literally predicted this xD

[elfin hazel]

I mean I know I shouldn't be but its just been so long since the last banwave so I'd imagine this is probably like last resort

considering the aftermath of the first & only(?) one

[vocal jasper]

How do they not ban those who cheat on time quests? What does a 14 min run take in 10 seconds? 🥳

[frozen meadow]

It was causing huge server problems there's no way it wasn't gonna be bans

[frozen meadow]

Because it can be unintentional

[vocal jasper]

ajam xD

[frozen meadow]

?

[elfin hazel]

doesnt harm anyone really not worth the time bannin people over it

[frozen meadow]

That too

But mostly the timers can be super inaccurate

So times can be misreported regardless of cheats

[vocal jasper]

a little suspicious, since the servers do not work as if they were the ones from google hahaha

[frozen meadow]

Huh?

[vocal jasper]

of course they blame some using the lau quest, let the whole server throw you...

[frozen meadow]

Because that's what's actually causing the problems? Lol

[vocal jasper]

fu.. mi ingles is crap sorry jajaja

[elfin hazel]

I'm sure you know more about whats causing the problem than they do

[vocal jasper]

is what they say, but we know how they are liars

[frozen meadow]

What?

Since when did the devs ever lie

I don't remember them ever lying to us

[vocal jasper]

is it part of the job? 🥲

[frozen meadow]

What? No?

[vocal jasper]

They promised to give it to the users who couldn't grab the exotic sniper and it's been 3 months and nothing xD

[frozen meadow]

Give what to the users

[vocal jasper]

dr.home

[frozen meadow]

I don't recall them saying this

[elfin hazel]

you're not missing much & it should be in the targeted pool now

[frozen meadow]

^

[vocal jasper]

🥲

[fervent jacinth]

Remember that glitch
With the stage left gun

Ahh good times

[frozen meadow]

What glitch

??

[verbal mica]

bummed i missed that. free expertise

[vocal jasper]

the damage glich?

[verbal mica]

it was “free” at the vendor and u “ purchase “ it then deconstruct and donate the material for expertise

[vocal jasper]

😮

[frozen meadow]

That's not really broken... That's also not really helpful long term lol

[vocal jasper]

and ubi bann al player who use dat right XD?

[verbal mica]

i found it the day it was patched so i also missed it 😩

[frozen meadow]

They'll only ban/rollback exploits that cause casual players to be hurt by the exploitation

[vocal jasper]

🤣

[leaden totem]

Does ubi not ban people who use aimbot and other hacks in pve like on their own dc map?

[vocal jasper]

like in his time in div1, using the shield to enter the walls?

[frozen meadow]

Idfk I didn't play d1

[frozen meadow]

Would you know if they did lol

Do you think they publicize every ban

[verbal mica]

tbh not likely lol when i watched the live event they had it was basically stated that you would need a crap ton of solid proof and video etc snd reports . it was a long way to say “ nah get over it “

[leaden totem]

I thought they had like a detector or something which could find people hacking in pve and ban them

[whole pebble]

hi. sorry to repeat my question. nobody has responded since.

does the ninjabike messenger backpack drop in exotic caches after you get it on the season track?

[leaden totem]

Unless they don't care about hacking in pve and only care about hackers in pvp

[vocal jasper]

i think not, need weit the season ends or add in lootpool 🙂

[dusk mulch]

Anyone have any tips on farming for the big horn

[whole pebble]

thanks @vocal jasper

[leaden totem]

It should drop after this season I think

But not right now

[leaden totem]

Just keep grinding and it will drop one day

[verbal mica]

i think thats summit. you can farm a boss floor over and over and pray

[leaden totem]

Bighorn in legendary DUA

[vocal jasper]

🤣

[dusk mulch]

So just legendary boss floor is all I'm not doing anything wrong just bad luck?

[verbal mica]

https://youtu.be/yOMSHUbHHPU

i didnt watch it but i skimmed it the comments seem ok ? good luck lol

[leaden totem]

🤷‍♂️

[dusk mulch]

Thank you all! I shall continue the hunt.

[placid ravine]

How do I get the DARPA mission to unlock?

[lethal shuttle]

its currently bugged

[placid ravine]

So it’s impossible to do the firewall challenge 4?

[woeful wing]

Hi can I get the nemesis blueprint playing grand washington hotel on hard?

[gilded perch]

Nope, they don't even give shit to pvp hacker, look pazzo he still alive

[grave geyser]

Do you have all 4 parts of the weapon?

[woeful wing]

Yes sir

[grave geyser]

Then yes you should get the blueprint after you kill the first boss called puck in the invaded version of GWH

[woeful wing]

Thanks

[grave geyser]

NP

[verbal mica]

honestly this isnt worth it for me personally lmao but i hope it helps you

https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/zq1vgv/how_i_fixed_the_pentagon_breach_issue_for_a_player/

if you also goto looking for group on xbox iv seen some people asking for this same thing as you so maybe join them and hope for the best

[sleek cobalt]

Its kinda a crazy coincidence that right when the new target BANtam is activated is when they are banning people 😆

[gloomy ledge]

Lots of people talking about the ban is going to be retroactive. Is this true?

[sturdy cape]

sounds like people's fears talking more than anything

[dapper atlas]

I haven't seen anything official about it being retroactive.

[sturdy cape]

all we have so far is that one tweet/splash screen right?

[dapper atlas]

Yea, those are the only official things so far.

Everything else should just be ignored unless it's actually coming from official sources.

[sturdy cape]

thought so, thanks

[leaden totem]

Surely they can find individuals who use aimbot or Wall hacks even not in pvp due to some traces left behind right

Like it has to be automated

[patent glacier]

does d2 even have an anti cheat

[waxen herald]

i hope u play on console to be asking this 😟

[heavy lily]

do u need all four parts for nemesis or can u have two and then go Grand Washington hotel?

[lethal shuttle]

have 2 then you can get the bp from GWH

[balmy cedar]

Lol why do u ask… when u install on pc it has a program it installs with the game called anti cheat or some thing like that

[frozen meadow]

EAC; easy anticheat

[azure lintel]

How long does it take to nerf catharsis?

Cuz u nerf everything that's totally normal but not catharsis nor vile

[hot flint]

what lmao, catharsis doesnt need a nerf

[modest lintel]

Should be retroactive the ban, otherwise, just empty promised. But then again some game developer quite good in delivering false promises

[heavy lily]

if you change your global settings do mission reset as well?

[gilded perch]

Not correct at all
At the beginning people can use hack because the software/ program bypass easy anti-cheat detecting, if eac haven't detected people are cheating, then devs won't get the information that who's cheating

That's why if you see cheater, probably you need to record that and sent to customer service, and the key is, they don't give shit to you, that's why cheater not getting ban nowadays

[astral roost]

Personally, the moment I heard that the Faye Lau mission was an exploit, I promised myself to never touch it until it was fixed

Exploits in multiplayer games are bad and anyone who uses them should be banned. The only leeway I'd give is if someone only did the mission a couple times without realizing it, but there's no way doing it several times in a row was an accident

[gilded perch]

Also, aimbot and walkhack are different level to caught , it's easy to confirm someone using wallhack, but aimbot is hard, people can explain "they play really well", let say you know someone is aimbot, but no way to ban him because you have no evidence, unless people computer get completely scan, but it is illegal

[leaden totem]

So basically they would need an undetected aimbot which targets the chest 80% of the shots land and only play on their own DC or NYC map solo and not stream it

[latent stone]

You have to go out of your way in specific steps to exploit faye Lau. You don't just stumble across it.

[low lily]

Yeah mean shoot npc-s before opening the door 😸

[astral roost]

that just makes it worse. These guys knew what they were doing

[leaden totem]

Its not fair that some people get to exploit the game like that and get away with it whilst we have to grind the game normally and with additional server lag

[lethal shuttle]

becuz of the Lau farm I see so many lvl1k players with shit builds and dont know how to play the game

[latent stone]

I didnt realize receiving bans was "getting away with it" but sure

[leaden totem]

They are only banning those who continue doing it after the warning

Those who did it before are getting away with it

[latent stone]

Where did they state that?

[leaden totem]

"We are monitoring this behaviour and players that make use of these exploits will receive a temporary ban"

[latent stone]

That doesn't state what they will/won't do with people who've used the exploit so far.

So you're making assumptions.

[leaden totem]

Well if they didn't know what was causing the problem 2 weeks ago and only now telling us of this clearly they don't know how many people did it or who did it

[sturdy cape]

more assumptions

[latent stone]

Who's to say they didn't know the cause of the problem two weeks ago?

You're not helping yourself by continually stating unfounded assumptions

[leaden totem]

Well see if people who made use of it get banned or not now won't we

[latent stone]

Yes, we will. Your assumptions only serve to needlessly annoy yourself nonetheless.

[sturdy cape]

you might be right, doesn't change that some of that is just guessing

[lethal shuttle]

is the ban wave rolled out yet?

[latent stone]

We have no idea

[latent stone]

Odds are people aren't gonna outright admit to being banned. They'll just complain that this banwave shouldn't be a priority above fixing other "more important" bugs even though they aren't as problematic as rendering numerous missions/game modes unplayable

[astral roost]

Even if true, which it isn't, its a stupid argument anyway; a smaller problem that can be addressed right away shouldn't be ignored even if there are bigger problems

[latent stone]

Yep!

[fair lake]

I guess, if someone gets banned, this person will not say it here, because the amount of clowns, who are happy to see others banned is unreal

[latent stone]

Oh no! How dare we be happy that people exploiting the game ruining it for everyone else be stopped 😭

[fair lake]

Never said happy 🙂

[latent stone]

the amount of clowns who are happy to see others banned is unreal

...uhm... I hate to break it to you

[fair lake]

Also, it's really amusing to see how people "loved" outside DC missions before Lau (almost noone played them) and then all of a sudden - the most visited places in the whole game.
I know summit also suffered from that, have no idea about CD, because haven't touched it for like a month

[sturdy cape]

this is a really weird stance, gotta say

[astral roost]

Did you ignore the fact that those missions had an ongoing event with timers at the time and thus people were playing them to be part of the event?

[fair lake]

Before league, mate, I obviously say about the situation before league

[sturdy cape]

how are the people that want their game to work properly the bad guys?

[astral roost]

The exploit and event happened at the same time, of course people would be bothered that they can't play the event missions even if they didn't play them before

[fair lake]

Let's say it like that, you may agree or disagree with it, I get it - if there was proper XP reward for spent time per activity, there would be no need to ever think about XP farms in the first place

[sturdy cape]

people will always want more

[astral roost]

There is no need for XP farms at all

[unborn ravine]

Take away floor 10 and people gonna find other ways.

[leaden raven]

This is one of the most twisted reversals of guilt I've heard in a long time...

[fair lake]

Ironic, but this farm was the most harmless in terms of server stability. But devs decided to be devs, so here we are

[astral roost]

More to the point, your desire to have an XP farm does not supercede other people's desire to play the game

We all payed for the game, did we not?

[fair lake]

I sincerely wish you luck farming hostages and anything except Convoys and CP to get a lot of XP

[unborn ravine]

XP farms are extremely helpful to new players. So...we need one.

[leaden raven]

Your "need for XP" (wtf...?!) and fun stops, where my fun begins, pal. Easy as that.

[astral roost]

This isn't an argument, its a dismissal

[unborn ravine]

Just one. Like floor 10.

[leaden raven]

Doing that for years now. Having fun without spoiling other people's fun.

[fair lake]

Coming back for a second to Floor 10 farm - how did that XP farm spoilt people's fun?

[astral roost]

I've only been playing since September, with November and December off. I only breached 200 SHD last week.

Am I a new player?

[unborn ravine]

Pretty much yes.

[astral roost]

Then I didnt need or want an XP farm

[fair lake]

Your choice, nobody forces

[astral roost]

Right back at exploiters

[unborn ravine]

If you want shd level 1000, a farm is more helpful than spending literal months grinding those levels.

[astral roost]

Then its not needed is it? Its just a status symbol you want

[fair lake]

Right now you'll be blamed that you don't know how to level up fast without XP farms xD

[unborn ravine]

I do know though lol floor 10 was just more fun to me.

[sturdy cape]

personally i steer clear of exploits but generally don't care what others do as it doesn't impact me. once those exploits start impacting the game as a whole then the situation changes. how could it not

[fair lake]

Maybe you'll answer my question, because another one disappeared from conversation - how summit floor 10 spoilt other people's fun?

[astral roost]

this tbh

[leaden raven]

"Yes, I know there are general rules, but my idea of progress is very different because I am super impatient" - arguing like a child. Okay, enough internet people for now. Keep on raging, why your time is more precious than anybody else's o/

[astral roost]

Stop moving the goalposts buddy, you still havent even addressed the fact that the exploit made the event unplayable for people who wanted to beat the timers

Answer that and I'll answer your question

[latent stone]

Ima hit 600 around the 4 week mark, what're you talking bout months to hit 1000 without xp farms??

Like. 2 months? Sure lol

Less if you play more efficiently than me

[fair lake]

Yesterday (after the statement) zoo was almost lag-free.
Before Lau became mainstream farm - it was lag-free completely.
Never said farm didn't impact servers, because it did

[sturdy cape]

one thing is for sure, people aren't going to agree on many of the issues around this. knowing when to agree to disagree and walk away from arguments is key

[fair lake]

We'll see bans if people admit and that's it, I guess

[astral roost]

I just dislike people using new players as an excuse for exploits then disregarding it when I, a new player, chimes in

Totally hypocritical

[latent stone]

Roughly around this point in the last time this convo happened, I just started blocking people who tried to defend ruining the game for all other players bc "muh xp farm" 💀

[unborn ravine]

I don't know anymore lol.

[latent stone]

I, as another new player, also find 0 need for an xp farm like that.

[fair lake]

Work, family, travel etc. can cut your free time for in-game time limited activities like GE and Apparel Events, you know)

[astral roost]

thats not an answer to the question mate

I asked

Did you ignore the fact that those missions had an ongoing event with timers at the time and thus people were playing them to be part of the event?

The exploit made these events unplayable. I know. I tried the Pentagon Missions several times just to get any score.

Am I justified in being annoyed that other players exploiting the game, made me unable to take part in the event?

[latent stone]

Absolutely.

[latent stone]

Oh, like work keeping me away from home for 50 hours per week, making some attempt at reaching 56 hours of sleep per week, taking care of my home, helping my parents out, wanting time to spend with my partner/pets, etc?

Oh you poor baby, it must be so hard to participate without rendering the game unplayable for everyone else. You've no sympathy for me nor will you waste more of my time.

[unborn ravine]

The devs could've just removed the mission and stopped the exploit.

[fair lake]

I spent 3 hours to complete apparel event and I turned off pc. And yeah, sorry for having fun outside the house with mates instead of playing, you know

[sturdy cape]

why should all the people that don't exploit lose access to a mission?

[astral roost]

I am 43 years old and work 45 hours a week in a hospital, with a wife and kid

I try to play two hours on weekdays, five hours on a weekend

Now imagine its a Wednesday and I'm hyped to join an event, only to find out I can't because the game lags so much the mission triggers won't activate and the enemies won't spawn

Clearly, my limited time to play the game was negatively affected, would you not say?

[fair lake]

Not unplayable, but laggy. I somehow was able to complete everything on 10/10 time even with lags (familiar experience from the past, when I had bad internet)

[unborn ravine]

Is it really going to hurt to temp remove one mission?

[sturdy cape]

is it really going to hurt to stop using this exploit?

[fair lake]

Definitely

[unborn ravine]

To those who use it yes. To temp fix a temp problem, remove the mission.

[latent stone]

Why punish people who didn't use the exploit in addition to those who do?

[modern tiger]

So I'll chime in my 2 cents. You can't reason with people who feel the need to exploit in any game. They think it's the dev's fault for not fixing it, thus allowing them to make the game worse for everyone else, just so they can feel special by "doing the event" without playing the game.

[sturdy cape]

if someone is getting adversely impacted here i think it's fair that it's those that are using game breaking exploits

[latent stone]

Yeah but it's still fun to point out flawed logic 😄

[unborn ravine]

How does...removing one mission for a short time, punish the whole game?

[latent stone]

Because players who'd like to/need to play said mission cant access it...?

There's no reason to remove it when you can simply ban people for breaking the terms of service that they agreed to.

[modern tiger]

Yeah, It'd just have been better if they started with that statement when it was widespread 3 weeks ago.

[latent stone]

Agreed

[sturdy cape]

it's scary hey, using the misdeeds of others to justify your own is disturbingly common, not just in this situation

[unborn ravine]

There is now no need to go to lau since that manhunt is over?

[modern tiger]

For returning/new players there is a skill locked behind it

[latent stone]

There was a speed run event while it was unplayable due to lag?

[latent stone]

This as well.

Not to mention the non-manhunt versions of it.

[fair lake]

The game felt like 150 ping during those leagues outside dc

[modern tiger]

It was way worse than that during the hours I could play. It was around 5000 ping IF you didn't just outright DC

[latent stone]

When I tried faye Lau for the 2nd week speed run, I had to try it several times bc of enemy spawns being delayed for several minutes plus a constant 3-4 sec latency

Eventually managed a 13 minute run even with the spawn delays and lag

Iirc avg spawn delay for me was 2 minutes per area when it was occurring

[fair lake]

That's a lot. I was lucky not to have it

[latent stone]

I'm guestimating the latency given my famas mag dumps in 2.9 seconds and the first bullet wouldn't deal dmg until I was reloading

[fair lake]

What's your internet speed? Just curious

[modern tiger]

Speed doesn't correlate to ping though.

[latent stone]

But that lag was nothing compared to trying to enter summit or how many crashes occurred in countdown. There were times in summit where id start firing my second mag before first mag first bullet registered. I had way too many countdown runs where people were crashing out before the mission would even start. The whole hunters not spawning issue. Etc

[fair lake]

That's why I added about curiosity

[latent stone]

I'm just talking about it taking 3+ seconds for a bullet to register on the enemy.

[fair lake]

Tbh countdown crashes have nothing to do with XP farm - we had them straight from the beginning, but what really happened is that sometimes mission objectives don't load and the session breaks

[modern tiger]

That was in response to the internet speed question, not the delay from firing to registering damage

[latent stone]

Oh, gotcha. I only see you in chat rn lol

[modern tiger]

Ah, makes sense!

[latent stone]

Something tells me parallel gigabit shouldn't have issues running this game as the only user on the network 💀

[simple mulch]

latency != speed

[balmy cedar]

You can get 2-3 shd levels in a mission scaled with 4 people with directives, even more when global events are on

Depending on how you play it and if ur not constantly wiping you’re gonna get your xp

Yes it’s an issue for solo players

[fair lake]

6+ mins for 2-3 lvls per mission (linkoln) instead of convoys... I don't know, hard choice)

[latent stone]

I'm generally between countdown for gear farming or just whatever open world activities I can find for xp depending on the day. I'd prolly be much higher lvl by now if I didn't spend so much time in CD.

[balmy cedar]

Well I didn’t say you’re farming levels, I’m inferring you get decent amount of shd levels for missions that if people have good builds should take under 25 minutes

[latent stone]

I unlocked watch almost exactly one month ago and I'm sitting around 450 rn

[modern tiger]

I'm only SHD 555, but I don't really feel like being high SHD changes much. After 1000 it just means you get resources every level and that's about it. Never saw a reason to farm levels.

[latent stone]

Mostly playing solo outside of summit/countdown, neither of which give much xp

[balmy cedar]

Countdown is its own story you get like 1 level for every 2 games which is ridiculous

[latent stone]

By the 40 day mark, I'm expecting to be shd 600+

[modern tiger]

Countdown is more for the gear than the exp, no?

[latent stone]

Yes

[fair lake]

When we talk about expertise or optimization - all those resourse points from high SHD come really handy)

[balmy cedar]

Summit with directives is pretty good for levels but again u need to play with highest scaling

Also can’t have some og from 10 years ago popping up and saying they wanna test a new build only adds to slow u down

[fair lake]

the problem is - you don't get decent amount of XP per 3 floors BETWEEN boss floors. That's what make it a bad source(

[latent stone]

I get like 2-3 lvls per hour with cd and maybe around 15 with open world stuff

[balmy cedar]

Truth be told if I get 1-2 levels per floor I’m pretty happy that’s inclusive of floor clear

[modern tiger]

You don't just... play the game to have fun with buddies? You need that Exp incentive to have fun and rush through everything? Guess thats why you liked the exploit.

[lethal shuttle]

i like to make builds

[balmy cedar]

I admit tho the xp rewards in the game suck they don’t reward u for ur time at all

[latent stone]

Given the opportunity, you'll ALWAYS have players who exploit the fun out of games. It's a difficult challenge that many devs face.

[fair lake]

I'll be honest with you - I used Lau for 2 days - first one to test it (2 hours). Second day - to do apparel event. That's it)
Also, as a pre-ordered day 1 player - I tried everything with my clanmates and now I'm sometimes bored

[balmy cedar]

My bigger complaint is the shit ton of resources they take from you for doing basic things like optimizing and expertising, they just want you to stick around for 10 years

And those resources to farm manually is worse than xp

[fair lake]

That's why ALT SHD sharing is a thing.... which they won't nerf, I guess, right?

[lethal shuttle]

"Players, when given the opportunity, will optimise the fun out of the game" Sid Meier

[latent stone]

That's generally the style of live service games. Make the grind as long as possible within reason to keep people around. If you could easily just max everything out, you'd have nothing left to do and simply leave

[fair lake]

They'll do XP revamp with nerfing convoy \ CP xp, so prepare for the worst

[latent stone]

Ive seen many diff variations of these two statements

[fair lake]

Depends on the player and his \ her ability to find fun things to do, tbh

[balmy cedar]

Why should they nerf that

No one said abuse xp farming

U wanna make shit harder for everyone to prove a point?

[latent stone]

Not that it would ever happen, but I think it would be beyond hilarious if the faye Lau exploiters had to make up for the extreme amounts of xp gain during exploiting before they continued to gain more exp/lvls. Lock away the resources and such.

[hybrid ore]

Drago, are you still on about this?

[fair lake]

There was a statement from a dude during their last livestream that some activites will be "tweaked" to match the rebalanced XP sources from open world activities. And tell me, what's the biggest source of XP in the open world? Right, CP and Convoys

[simple mulch]

my man is tireless

[latent stone]

I'm participating in whatever conversations occur?

[balmy cedar]

Alt character farming isn’t that big an issue because you’re rewarded for your time spent. If new players are punished by not being able to access the same content as most of the games native players what is the point in trying to grind endgame. I’ll say this as someone who just hit shd 2000 legitimately, I haven’t had jack time to farm any gearset build because of lack of inventory space and my attempt to fill previous content before I attempt new ones (expertise library) and trying to make old builds I wanted since I started playing… to optimize makes me need to run WONY after reach go

Just recently did I start making alt characters but those are filled with stuff I find “valuable” so that’s my own fault

[fair lake]

Hoarding is a sin, sometimes 🙂

[balmy cedar]

But to make 1 of each build in the game u need to really do 2 things, use the same ceska and grupo backpack pieces which means ur running the same exact talent which I find boring, and this saves u space on gear mods and inventory

[latent stone]

I feel the lack of storage space tho 🥲

[balmy cedar]

Do I want to run vigilance on every build?

[simple mulch]

they dont touch alt chars because thats what we need in this game... amout of items needed for variety of builds demand more storage space per character. since we're not getting that any more, alt chars are used for different purposes. PvE only char, PvP char, mule char, etc etc

[balmy cedar]

Imo vigilance is saying use these generic skills or don’t use me at all… which is fine, but a talent like companion just straight up sucks

[simple mulch]

actually, companion is a beast

eat a bullet, you dont have +25% damage any more

[latent stone]

It truly does seem like some content was added to dilute drop tables

[balmy cedar]

Yea but then I can’t use my seeker mine and he just sits next to me 😂

[simple mulch]

companion gives you CONSTANT +15%

no matter if you take damage or not

hence why people run it in pvp

you use mender mine

or repair drone

[balmy cedar]

Me personally I find the versatile talent attractive… but they made it bad with the short duration

It’s like intimidate … just with a worse uptime 😂

[simple mulch]

most talents are simple tradeoffs, you pick the ones you feel works the best for your playstyle

if you gonna go run and gun, you sure aint gonna use vigilance

since it will be disabled 24/7

[balmy cedar]

As I’ve been leveling skills haven’t had much effort to try out different skills that work with the build itself but for dps builds I like booster hive I just hate that it gives my stims to teammates who don’t know what the heck is going on when they get it 😂

[low lily]

Leveling skills where a pain

[latent stone]

Donate all the resources to skills

[balmy cedar]

As far as CP goes, running it can be rewarding if u run it solo… me personally i run it 4 man heroic with directives to torture my teammates. We don’t get squat for rewards and the time spent for the supposed chance of exotic component in the chest is such bs

[low lily]

That's why i did Faye, got all stuff proficient 😸

[balmy cedar]

Prior to countdown I can see why people ran floor 10, easy way to get global event stars…. Which mind I ask u why exotic caches are 20 stars

It’s surely appealing to new players, omg exotic

[simple mulch]

i just use stars for named caches

[balmy cedar]

But consider that u have all the named items

[simple mulch]

20 stars for 1 exotic component = bs

[balmy cedar]

Countdown improved farming by a milestone

[simple mulch]

countdown is good yes

[hybrid ore]

CP's exist for farming Exotic components. Quite a lot faster than farming out 20 Stars at a time.

[balmy cedar]

They were fair with those rewards

[latent stone]

It took me 3hrs to do half the DC CPs on heroic +4 directive in 4 man team. Really not interested in owning all CPs ever again 🥲

[simple mulch]

challenging cd any time

[balmy cedar]

It’s not consistent tho and u gotta run solo, pardon me if it seems like I’m complaining about everything I just don’t find solo appealing 🥲

[hybrid ore]

I literally only ever run the LZ solo, so no harm done.

I'd run Raids solo if I could.

[simple mulch]

hard to justify that with the exo drop rate on cps

🙂

[latent stone]

It depends on the day for me, whether I want solo play or to mm randoms

[hybrid ore]

Only time I ever matchmake is if I want a time-trial to be somewhat quicker, and even then it's a toss-up.

[low lily]

Considering how easy it is to get exotic components in dz then it should be a 100% in CP4 i would say

[latent stone]

I still haven't gotten any exos from dz. Most of mine came from cd cache

[low lily]

And you can run easily like 100 exo component in dz in a day

[latent stone]

Odds are I'm not returning to dz again for a long time. Not my cup of tea

[cyan narwhal]

cp not dropping exotic component as often before idk why

[low lily]

I understand but why it isn't like a certain that you get a exotic component in higher cp's

[latent stone]

There's something very satisfying about getting 3 exos in a single CD or CP

[balmy cedar]

My last time trial, DARPA Got a few seconds cut off cause I had to wait for team to go down the ropes lol

[low lily]

Unless you farm neutral cp's it's still a lot work

[balmy cedar]

Would have finished at 18 I just didn’t have the patience for darpa

Can you just call Allie’s to every co in an area and fast travel to each one after resetting global diff?

[latent stone]

Darpa took me too many tries. Bunch of 19min solos before a 16min run

[low lily]

Did you play when that 18min was heroic time trial?

[balmy cedar]

Naaaa

I couldn’t do manning 18 min challenging

[low lily]

I miss hard time trials

[balmy cedar]

I like Wall Street by far one of the best ny missions

[low lily]

I dislike ny missions all together 😸

[latent stone]

I haven't tried this league's time trials yet but each except darpa last time was super easy when it wasn't extremely laggy

[balmy cedar]

I’d be fine with 60% in LZ and 80% in DZ

Don’t get why I can’t get ‘em from loot boxes either

[hybrid ore]

You can, Exotics can drop from a wide variety of sources.

[fair lake]

Heroic DARPA 18 minutes flashbacks intensify

[low lily]

80% is too much considering you can open boxes twice

[balmy cedar]

Fr?

[low lily]

Then you actually saw who was good on Speedruns 😸

[balmy cedar]

Oh… so what’s the deal with that dz trick

Open twice at the same time or something

[low lily]

In ordinary dz you can open with a key or steal, you and your buddy just do different things at the same time

And boom 2 exotic parts

[balmy cedar]

Nice

[low lily]

Did the ban wave finally went out? 😸

[unborn ravine]

Not for another 38 minutes.

[low lily]

Did they actually say how long it takes? There is probably one person checking playerlist one by one or something 😸

[lethal shuttle]

3h

[celest fable]

is there maintenance on wednesdays usually?

[low lily]

It's for people who was naughty

[unborn ravine]

Normally it's Tuesday.

[celest fable]

Nah, stop tweaking bro

[low lily]

Tweaking? 😸

[fair lake]

Has the maintenance already started?

[ashen sparrow]

Yes

Just started a few minutes ago

If you check #server-status they said about 15 hours ago they would be doing tonight

[livid coral]

got off work now and of course the game has to have maintenance now

[fair lake]

Yeah, I saw, still a little difficult for me to understand different timezones 🙂

[unborn ravine]

I have to google for a calc to figure out what time game dies for me lol

[fair lake]

Same)

[north iris]

when are servers coming back up?

nvm saw it^

[pearl ruin]

hey guys, may i ask is the maintenance about TU 17.2?

[lethal shuttle]

Ban wave

Probably

[pearl ruin]

ah i see

thx!

[fierce pewter]

No patch notes refered to, so doubtful it's 17.2
Also I doubt they'll need to take down the servers to place temp bans on accounts, if any.

[open comet]

still though u dont get exos the vast majority of the time you open boxes even if u double open them, can u get exos from the yellow boxes or still not?

[pearl ruin]

ok!

[toxic kayak]

Iam curious if they will Ban me today

[worn turret]

what's it for this time?

[ashen sparrow]

I mean, it’s not unusual for them to post patch notes later if they decided to do this at the last minute

[fierce pewter]

would they have reason to do so?

[ashen sparrow]

Odds are this will fix regulus at minimum

[hybrid ore]

The upcoming bans seem to be for future offences with the exploit, they don't seen to be back-logging the bans.

tl;dr don't do it anymore, don't get banned.

[fierce pewter]

word

[worn turret]

are they banning people for their own mistakes again?

[ashen sparrow]

There were plenty of other things broken that were pending as fixed and ready on the trello so maybe we’ll get lucky and this is just a last minute positive update where a bunch of things get better eh

[open comet]

companion makes you waste a skill to get a an average dmg buff, you can run decoy and an offensive gunfight winning skill as opposed to wasting a slot on the 2 useless skills u mentioned, at least the defender drone is good in and of itself and can help u beat a vigi player in a trade even if they shoot first, the issue with companion is that vigilance is simply superior, with decoys and angle holding passive play it out DPSs companion due to peekers advantage and 3rd person shooting mechanics aka the 'corner peek' the insta burst of vigi wins u the gunfight even if u lose it halfway thru the burst due to the stupid TTK this game has, if the TTK was longer then companion would actually be good

[worn turret]

i remember damage stacking banwave+rollback, oh man

[covert comet]

I wonder if crossplay will ever come to this game

[ashen sparrow]

No chance

[worn turret]

doubt it. there's like 12 people working on this game

[fierce pewter]

probably not according to stream of May -22. Issue with usernames on the 3 different systems

[hybrid ore]

We actually did have crossplay for a while, but it was only between Stadia and PC. RIP Stadia.

[covert comet]

Ah I see, it is a shame cause most of the vocal player base is on PC

[open comet]

dont we have over 35 people now?

[worn turret]

nice one

[worn turret]

idk, but it feels like 12

[covert comet]

I’ve just come back to this game after a decent hiatus and realised I never tried the raids, been struggling to find people to help me out.

[fierce pewter]

most vocal players are unhappy dz/pvp players.

[low lily]

Black boxes only

[covert comet]

What are they most unhappy about?

Is it still the ttk or have we come to terms with that

[open comet]

couldnt they have made the yellow boxes drop contaminated exos, ahhh

[worn turret]

it's almost impossible to find a decent raid ready group on consoles

[fierce pewter]

that dz isnt 1 huge like in div 1, there is not enough players in the dz for them to grief upon .. everything is overpowered

[covert comet]

Guess I’m relegated to insert time here of dz landmark farming

[covert comet]

I do miss the large DZ’s purely because there was a general consensus that the lower ones were for Pvp and the latter was for farming

That and manhunts the dragged across the entire map were cool too

[low lily]

Small dz is good so you can hijack all extractions easily

[open comet]

the main issue has always been the playercount, 12 is simply not enough for that PvPvE ecosystem

[tulip summit]

are servers still down?

[fierce pewter]

1 h 45 min until estimated time of finish

[tulip summit]

aw damnit

[covert comet]

How many was it in Div 1?

[open comet]

24

in order for the devs to 'upgrade' TD2 from TD1 they halved the player count which had a huge detrimental effect on the DZ ecosystem

[covert comet]

I guess it makes sense because the DZ’s are more than half the size

I can understand the PvPers frustrations

[open comet]

sure but now you have issues you did not have in TD1, such as spending 30 mins getting into a server to help your friends but its transferring, but now as u cannot join a rogue player if they dont flag for 5 mins everyone leaves server dead

[covert comet]

How would you go about solving the issue? Assuming no major changes can be made as of right now

[open comet]

so you join the server after 15 mins lets say, you get a manhunt as a 4 man, 1 of you crashes, he launches game, joins.... TRANSFERING, tr, tr, tr, tr, ur friends are fighting 3v7 with 2 farmers farming peacefully across the map

[covert comet]

24 players in such a small area would be annoying on either side no? And increasing the size is probably more work than they want to put in

[verbal mica]

if you want to farm safely add me send me dm for gamertag. My servers are always empty and free i can invite you and just leave squad

[open comet]

Server queue, if you join a team instead of forcing a transfer to YOU it puts you in a queue, all AKF players have 60s to make a move or they get kicked out, then no one else can join this server before you

[covert comet]

We could farm together if you think that’s be faster

[open comet]

I do no suggest 24 in this game, but 16-18 would have been a middle ground

[covert comet]

I think 16 is a good number

[fierce pewter]

i think no dz sounds much better

[verbal mica]

im actually not playing right now but i could load up and invite you . lol it will keep you in the server even after i leave as long as you dont leave the dz after

[covert comet]

That way there’s enough people for frequent interaction while having enough space for adequate counter-play

[covert comet]

I’d be more than happy to when there servers are back online

[open comet]

what if i said that about the content you play, how would you respond?

[unborn ravine]

Shots fired.

[celest fable]

u wish

[covert comet]

The idea of the DZ is such untapped potential, I love the idea of having an area with increased drop rates but said loot can be taken from you

[lethal shuttle]

I like the DZ being one zone.

It helps concentrate more ppl into it

[covert comet]

A good example of such areas in recent memory is a mobile MMORPG called Albion Online

[covert comet]

I think a longer DZ leads to less player frustration too, since farmers can just go to where the pvp isn’t

[fierce pewter]

there is few good coop pve games in existance, its virtually overflowing with pvp games. why does ALL games have to have pvp in them?

[covert comet]

In Div 1 there was some sort of gentlemen’s agreement that took place, I assume that’s gone now

[modern tiger]

I think the DZ is okay as an area with increased drops with a chance to have it stolen. The part I dislike is having DZ specific named items.

[fierce pewter]

of course it's gone. now it's go rogue on all players enters at every opportunity because they think that is fun for all. which it isnt.

[covert comet]

Oh is that a thing?

[unborn ravine]

DZ in div 2 has some gentlemen agreements.

[covert comet]

I haven’t really been able to dive into the pvp yet

[modern tiger]

There are 12 DZ only guns and 10 DZ only armor pieces.

[covert comet]

That’s rough

[unborn ravine]

And a DZ only gearset. That is more rare than an exotic drop now.

[open comet]

thats because there arent enough players to enter that the ones that do are immediately targeted, larger player count and farmers do have more space for themselves

this why 12 playrs is NOT sustainable, for either side of the fence

[covert comet]

It’d be nice if they had different variants of said weapons/armour in the general loot pool, that way they’d have a smaller drop chance and therefore the DZ is incentivised if you can stomach the PVP

[modern tiger]

Like I want to get a rock n' roll shotgun, but I also don't want to just get murdered in the DZ cause I suck at pvp and would just get killed at extraction.

[fierce pewter]

which in current situation makes dz worst place for everyone, as everyone hates it for 1 reason or another. its also where you'll find the most toxic players as well.

[unborn ravine]

Play conflict, still get shredded, but can get it from a cache.

[covert comet]

Like say a weapon with the same perk however it is a different arctype, perhaps a slightly worse on than the DZ variant

[modern tiger]

Or, just have DZ items have like a 5x droprate in the DZ, and let them drop out of there, so its easier to get in the DZ but you can get them out of the DZ

I mean if they want to throw the only really "pve" specific weapons in the DZ, why not? You can get (with a super low chance) 2 raid exotics and the legendary only exotic now.

[stray lantern]

so wait is the game down?

[covert comet]

I think we have the same end goal in mind where said weapon is obtainable outside the DZ however it is much easier to obtain in the DZ

The fact that raid exotics are now a DZ drop is weird though

[modern tiger]

Yeah, but sadly it'll never happen. Ubi cares too much about trying to push the DZ as a thing it's insane. And canonically to me, it makes no sense. Sure it's a "Dark zone" but do you think somehow ISAC forgets that you turned your watch rogue? That no other agent knows you went rogue? I feel if you're killing agents it would be known and constantly going rogue should have some kind of impact in the rest of the game.

[stray lantern]

that doesn't answer my question

[celest fable]

Lemme open up the holy book of problems and see if i can find a fuck to give

[modern tiger]

Yes, it is down.

[stray lantern]

well when you're looking try to find some manners

[fierce pewter]

chance for it to drop is like 0,015% or something and then you have to extract it, so good luck with that with griefers swarming the extraction points

[stray lantern]

cause you're apparently missing that too brb

[celest fable]

is blank unfortunetly

[stray lantern]

predictable

[modern tiger]

That just further adds to the reason I hate there being DZ only items. Griefers.

[stray lantern]

why do it be down though

[modern tiger]

Maintenance.

[stray lantern]

the website said it was fine and no issues lmfao

[celest fable]

#division-tweets message

[cyan narwhal]

you forgot about players who use nemesis like minigun 🥹

[covert comet]

I guess it’s faster to ask people who are readily available?

[stray lantern]

https://ubistatic-a.akamaihd.net/0115/tctd2/status.html

it said it's fineeeeeeeee

[celest fable]

idk what kinda dodgy ass site is that

[fierce pewter]

you're preaching to the choir. i hate dz, griefers and their toxicity with a passion. for me it tipped the scale into intolerable when they turned shield into cardboards

[stray lantern]

just git gud

or die trying

[celest fable]

and the fact that it fked many pve builds that relied on shield as well

[celest fable]

this is what i ment

[covert comet]

Bro people just want their item for their build so they can have fun, what’s wrong with that?

[fierce pewter]

have no clue what they use.

[covert comet]

I don’t know why there’s such a huge discourse about it

If people want to PvE then so be it and vise versa with PvP

[stray lantern]

then go get it, easy

[covert comet]

I mean this whole conversation has been about how it’s not as simple as just obtaining it

[stray lantern]

there is probably some schmuck minmaxer floor10 farmer at SHD 25,000 that''ll carry you through the griefers, just ask around

Heroic Fl10 farmers are cringe if they did it for EXP, loot is an acceptable answer

[covert comet]

They’re clearly not otherwise there wouldn’t be a massive hoo hah over people not being able to get the items

[stray lantern]

well all they've done so far is complain here

[covert comet]

Is it that implausible to think that some players don’t want to engage in PvP

[fair lake]

30 exotics per hour was a good reason to stay there 🙂

[stray lantern]

well then they can't get it

[fierce pewter]

i guess they are around, but i've seen some of those guys in action and many of them only know that small part of the game and very little else.

[stray lantern]

and for them I say Oof

[open comet]

Competitiveness breeds toxicity, where there is a foe you will have fights, where one wins another loses, it's by sheer nature

[covert comet]

I mean with the alternatives provided said effort would still be put in, just not in a PvP setting

[fierce pewter]

for those who love to intercept extractions, it's implausible

[fierce pewter]

not all is driven by this toxic behavior, but for those whoare it's implausible to think others arent

[cyan narwhal]

let them dream about those features.

[covert comet]

I mean PvP will be dead until something like it happens cause half the lobby is getting farmed and the other half is getting bored

At least this is what I’m hearing, I just got back into the game

[fair lake]

I remember playing pvp in div2 for backpack trophy. The best time was when we spammed bloody seeker mines. That was the best time I had there

[unborn ravine]

Best times I had in DZ was with vanilla bloodsucker.

[covert comet]

Forcing PvP on people who don’t want it sounds like a horrible gameplay loop

[unborn ravine]

If you don't to PvP, just farm names item caches. Has a chance to drop DZ items.

[open comet]

I still don't understand why everyone still says the word 'forced' no one is forcing anything.

Players desire gear, gear that is exclusive to various different content.

I went without the EB or Regulus for months after those raids came out coz I'm not interested in that content.

[covert comet]

Had no idea about that

[covert comet]

I think there difference here is that these people want the gear but are quite literally unable to obtain it while you willingly chose to not bother

[open comet]

Exclusive items are rewards for doing the content, not all content appeals to anyone

[covert comet]

That and a raid isn’t PvP oriented

[fair lake]

SysCor. is still never in DZ Targeted Loot 💀

[fierce pewter]

if someone goes into dz and hunts down the gear he/she wants, gets gunned down at extraction, the pvp is FORCED upon them! There is no question about it. that behavior in dz is the very basis of the toxicity and the hatred against dz.

[open comet]

And yet 2/3 raid weapons were PvP essentials

[covert comet]

I wouldn’t know this because I’ve been away from the game for 1.5 years

[open comet]

I didn't complain about my inability to form a raid group, I dealt with the lack of essential items until I managed to get carried by a streamer

[unborn ravine]

It never will be.

[open comet]

You chose to enter the DZ therefore you signed a consent form saying "I accept PvP at any moment"

Perhaps the DZ should have a disclaimer or pop up reminder telling people as such

[fierce pewter]

no... that is exactly where "FORCED into PvP" is!

[covert comet]

The main issue I’m seeing here is the lack of space for both parties to do their bidding

[fierce pewter]

perhaps its actually time to get rid of dz once and for all

[open comet]

Nope, you persue gear you desire, you want it, you don't need it. It's the same as my desire for the EB and Regu

[covert comet]

In Div 1 we had the lower DZ’s for PvP and the higher ones were mainly for farming gear

At least that was the general consensus

Isn’t that what heartlands is

[open comet]

And there you go again, you want to wipe out a games population because you don't like it, very small minded I must say

[fierce pewter]

how many more do you need?????? two more versions of Division is about based upon pvp!

[vague pecan]

no, it's pve and pvevp

[covert comet]

I see, Ty for that

[fierce pewter]

it's 5% of playersbase at most. you cry and make the game worse from it. and yes, i rather see those go away and gain more co op play than more toxicity

[open comet]

There is no need for this divide, all I ever wanted was for PvP to get the same treatment that PvE gets, if it did you'd see higher player populations in the DZ/Conflict

[covert comet]

A good balance patch would probably make things easier

[open comet]

There is a mute feature and a BLOCK feature to counter toxicity, if you don't use it that's on you.

[covert comet]

It’d be cool if you didn’t get melted in .5 seconds

If they took Division 1’s pvp and Division 2’s PvE I think we’d be good to go

I loved Div 1’s PvP

[fierce pewter]

from my clans. 4-5 guys out of 100 are interested in dz and conflict. they struggle to have someone to play with.
i have friends that roam around in there, and no matter what continent server he joins on, always the same names showing

[stable pawn]

I have every DZ "only" in the game and have spent next to zero time there. With all the season events trading stars for named caches will get you everything.

[fierce pewter]

after the introduction of those stars and shop it's been way easier outside of the toxic hell

[burnt plank]

I watch youtube and see a video division 2 players start angry

[unborn ravine]

Want to learn PvP? Youtube builds for it. Want to get better at it? Literally going to have to play PvP.

[rugged coral]

Destiny 2 did this and it was a horrible experience

[open comet]

The same way I have to get better to complete PvE content.

[covert comet]

I don’t actually recall this happening, when did it happen?

[open comet]

It's almost as if things are... equal

[covert comet]

I think it’s fair to say it’s easier to learn PvE mechanics compared to PvP tho

Not impossible tho

[open comet]

And just it, people don't want equality, they want everything on a plate.

[fierce pewter]

cant be that many in there when people constantly run into familiar names all the time. most of you are empty barrels making to much noise. you should get over to Rainbow6 Siege

[rugged coral]

Long time ago, it was either the weekly loop or it was to get certain items i don’t remember which, i quit the game soon after

[open comet]

Of course, a player will always represent a more unique and often harder challenge than an AI that doesn't adapt. You can kill a player 1 time but can you kill them on repeat? Who knows..

[dapper atlas]

We don't mind y'all having discussions in here, but keep it civil! Which means: No insults, no telling people to go play something else. Be respectful!

[covert comet]

I see, I’ve played Destiny since House of Wolves and the only time I remember PvP being forced was for the Thorn quest lmao

[unborn ravine]

Did you ever think that...maybe...just maybe. The reason you see the same names is because you are playing at the same...regular time those other same people are playing?

[stable pawn]

Yep, didn't feel "forced" to going to do something I didn't want and gave a good reason participate in the events.

[covert comet]

That’s the cool part about PvP

[rugged coral]

I fully accept some people love pvp and only find that fun. I am not. So good luck to those that want to pvp. I would not like it if the pve experience was sub par and received no love from devs.

[covert comet]

Based response

[open comet]

And as a hardcore PvP player I think those rewards strike a fantastic balance for those who don't want to participate in DZ shenanigans but still want the rewards, just as the absurdly low drop rate of the Raid 'exclusives' help the ones who care not or who can't get a Raid going.

[fierce pewter]

not when time playing is all around the clock and not according to a schedule.

[covert comet]

Now that I understand that there is a decent alternative I’m a bit more on the fence about all this

Like if the Named Caches are easy to get (or at least easier than the DZ for PvE players) then there is no real reason to jump in the DZ

Just keep doing what you’re doing and you’ll get the named items right?

[open comet]

You are right about this one, DZ does have mostly the same rotating pool of players, this is due to many many reasons

[fickle hemlock]

How long has this game been out? Anyone complaining about not being able to farm in the dz due to pvp conflicts is imo ridiculous. Grow a pair and figure out a build to grind for and if you get ate up tip your cap and loot another dz..

[stable pawn]

Correct

[mental violet]

No one is being forced to play PvP. It’s an option, just like the raids are an option. If you want to get certain exotic weapons that otherwise cannot be obtained anywhere else in the game, then choose what Option suits you best, if that’s what you desire.

[fierce pewter]

yes, there is fewer of you than you think.

[unborn ravine]

There is way more PvP players than you think.

[fickle hemlock]

^

[unborn ravine]

You've literally been arguing with a well known one this entire time.

[open comet]

Thanks for assuming my PvP knowledge, I took not of it, I guess my 5000+ hours is less than yours.

[covert comet]

It’s funny cause my latest DZ experience was earlier when I found out exotics were farmable in the DZ, I put on a PvP build I found on YouTube and went in expecting chaos only for there to be people farming landmarks that invited me to a team

We just farmed landmarks for 2 hours

[stable pawn]

With other ways to get the items going to the DZ to get them you are accepting all the potential headaches that come with it.

[rugged coral]

Not sure items is the reason people pvp. Thats just a bouns plus the dz specific items used to useful in pvp more than pve, this has changed more recently. Named caches and exotic raid drops in dz are a bouns not a reason to go to the dark zone. I find it strange people want to go the dz just for specific items. Unless you where already a dz player.

[glossy rivet]

arent the eagle bearer recently added to dz lootpool? its actually the reason i go dz rn

[covert comet]

I figured it was easier to farm in the DZ and raid whenever I could get a team than just relying on raids.

[rugged coral]

These are choices to make about how to look for gear you might want, named chaches pve, dz targeted loot etc

[covert comet]

I’m not really bothered about PvP but I can see why some people would be if they just want the gear in there

At the same time I can see why the PvP players are pissed because they’re the only reason why they get frequent action

[rugged coral]

Raid communities exist like gcrock, they give carries to anyone.

[covert comet]

I can conclude that what is needed is a balance patch for PvP to freshen it up which would lead to a resurgence of players

That way if someone does go in to farm for gear, there’s less of a chance that people would kill them

[tardy sedge]

If you go to DZ the loot you pick up IS NOT YOURS until extracted so if you get taken out for it then that’s the mode …FREE FOR ALL for loot think of it that way and you will enjoy it more

[unborn ravine]

PvP hasn't been given hardly any love since launch lol.

[open comet]

I disagree with this point, most PvP players only get frequent PvP action from other PvP players, not farmers.

Most farmers take a fight once or twice then leave or give up entirely on first encounter which is sad...

Those who stay and fight the losing battle - are they truly farmers and farmers only? Or those lower on the pecking order with a taste for blood?

[covert comet]

A damn shame, the DZ has so much potential

[rugged coral]

They helped me get all 3 raid exotics, and iwas grateful to them for it. Honestly i figured i would never have them. Pretty much all a waste of space imo. Regulus is the only really useful exotic from the raids. The others have specific uses but are not general use weapons imo. Quite disappointing compared to the effort to get them.

[open comet]

Coz i tell u people, there are a lot of 'farmers' and 'PvE' players that always engage in a rogue hunt, they want their revenge, happy to multi 8v1 but are the first to cry when it's 4 rogues Vs them. Funny game.

[unborn ravine]

EB is not useful? It's like..the main PvP weapon of choice.

[covert comet]

I think it’s just a difference in each players psyche

[unborn ravine]

The funniest of games in that sense.

[rugged coral]

Probably i would not know

[unborn ravine]

Okay, also true.

[glossy rivet]

ditto on this. i went dz to farm only and was insanely tempted to solo someone but just peace through

[open comet]

Because those are all faster killing and thus best suited for crucial engagements, the EB is for the guy who needs to kill more than 2

[covert comet]

Man I wanna get EB so bad

[fierce pewter]

you just point out his point, specific uses ... EB for pvp. utter rubbish in pve

[tardy sedge]

Same lol

[covert comet]

That proves my point further, PvE player wants item in PvP and gets mad when they don’t get it. PvP player wants item from PvE and accepts said challenge until they get it. Two completely opposite ideologies

It’s easier to do a raid than fight 4 PvP vets but the point is still there

[open comet]

If you can isolate each engagement yes.

But those hungry rogue police all want a slice of revenge for themselves and happily bunch up 3/4 strong to kill 1 guy.

With the Tenacity proc u survive the burst long enough to take each player down whereas with a Famas you kill player 1 quicker and instantly die to the other 3.

[covert comet]

If you’re down, would you like to get a team together after maintenance? I haven’t raided in this game before

[gilded perch]

Just like crypto say, pvp player go dz, mostly they are looking for other pvp player
When farmers can get dz item from cache, of course there less people step it dz, but it doesn't matter
The reason of pvp dying, because there no "real" update to keep old player stay and new "real pvp player" step in
Imagine you keep playing pvp in these 4 year, and you always meet same ID, you will feel boring, meanwhile if anyone new , they are shit and not strong enough, you killing noob, you still feel boring

[twin shuttle]

the problem is tht this game doesnt have "PVP"... it has "ganking"... theres a diference!

[tardy sedge]

I’m too low lol I only hit SHD 1 like 10min before downtime lol started the game again after a while

[covert comet]

Ah that’s a shame, I left at around SHD 350 and just came back

[azure lintel]

are servers up ?

[open comet]

You still need to isolate to a degree, it just increases your margin.

[tardy sedge]

Yeah I got to warlords only this week so just enjoying end game beginning

[open comet]

👍

[tardy sedge]

Don’t think so

[covert comet]

I think that’s one of the more fun parts of the game cause you really feel the power spike once you get going

[tardy sedge]

Yeah I start feeling invincible lol

[rugged coral]

Makes decent interesting when it comes out

[covert comet]

If you ever want to attempt raiding you can add me on Xbox, my gamertag is MrBorkz

[tardy sedge]

I’ll add you anyway g hit DZ runs now and then for fun lol I’m in a group with my dad we hit the game together 😁😁

[covert comet]

Maybe when you’re all up to speed we could try raiding blind xD

[tardy sedge]

And we started understanding recalibrations too lol so it’s all over the place now we on it 😂😂😂

[tardy sedge]

Okay bet ! You should get a invite when you online bro 🖖🏽

[covert comet]

Recalibrations is one of the reasons I love this game so much

[tardy sedge]

It’s soooo fun and crazy when you understand it

[covert comet]

Bro when they added the Optimisation station in Div 1 I couldn’t believe it

[tardy sedge]

And we hit shd level 1 and got back to DC and were like shit it’s a whole new game now lol

[tardy sedge]

😭🔥🔥I remember div 1 being revolutionary and snowdrop peaked lol

[covert comet]

The end of Div 1’s life cycle was legendary. Honestly one of the best gaming experiences I’ve had

[rugged coral]

Div 1 is the better game, the ux is better in div 2

[covert comet]

I like Div 2’s gear system more and the PvE encounters are more fun

[tardy sedge]

I know a lot think so I just feel division 2 fits more with my style I enjoy it more but everybody has their opinion

[open comet]

Now could you imagine if the Devs allowed exotic GEAR to be recalibrated? The build potential then omg

[tardy sedge]

Game would break 😂😂😂

[open comet]

Hazard Protection on Sawyer's, Tardigrade, or even Coyote oh man...

[ornate agate]

What shd level should I aim for before I start trying to do the raids I'm currently like 30 something

[covert comet]

I’d worry more on your builds than your level

[twin shuttle]

1000 is the objective

[azure lintel]

1200 if u want max

[buoyant scarab]

As long as you have a team that know the mechanics you'll be fine

[ornate agate]

Working on that front already

[covert comet]

Bro imagine being able to do something as simple as changing attachments on exotic gear

[unborn ravine]

You can raid on less than shd 1000 lol.

[buoyant scarab]

I did raids at shd 45 and was fine

[cyan narwhal]

1000 good to have but 50chc 150chd full red build is more imp

[twin shuttle]

where did u take those 200 extra from???

[azure lintel]

to max every 4 of all

[twin shuttle]

1000 yeah...

[gilded perch]

If you can't killing 2 to 3 people of course tenacity kill you
But tenacity let you can feel free to do damage, if you have teammates, that is helpful for them even you will die at the end

[fierce pewter]

something you should talk with your clan about. you could get away with some 600s with guidance on the build

[hybrid ore]

1000 (technically 999) will get all of your SHD Watch maxed out.
After 1k it's just incredibly minor health boosts.

[open comet]

Anyway it's been a pleasure discussing this morning, I hope Baggins finds true love in the DZ, I'm sure there is some fun he can find

[covert comet]

Take care my guy, good talk