td2-general-chat

[quick wolf]

GG time.

It was so well orchestrated, you'd think we all played for a good while with each other. This was from start to finish too. Five people the whole run through.

[brisk bridge]

Atypical but commendable.

[quick wolf]

I know it's nothing to be proud of, but there's a sense of accomplishment I feel when I can actually pull of an extraction with a group size that is less than what is recommended. Especially given the nature of matchmaking randoms.

[rich shadow]

Nice, what were you running?

[quick wolf]

My usual HF build.

[lofty bone]

wtf is this chirpy bounty. clearing out the lobby and then everyone spawns in the upper levels and just run around while i cant hit them

oh im dumb, a door opened

grenade spam is insane, 3 grenades from one single enemy in a row with pinpoint accuracy

[untold bay]

any reason why when changing clan name and applying everything, it get reverted back almost instantly?

[jolly kettle]

i got 7 keys left now, and got like 7+ days left so. I think its possible to complete all

[inner elbow]

Name didn't pass the filter?

[untold bay]

CabsAreHere

yeah seems legit lol

[placid shadow]

Agent

something went horribly wrong and now you are staring at your dekstop

[velvet hinge]

that made me laugh, goddamn you

time to grind those headshot substats for chainkiller procs

[unborn ravine]

🐐

[placid shadow]

i'm not usually funny, i'ma pretty unfunny guy with bad jokes you know

[plucky falcon]

Yo

[placid shadow]

hello

[plucky falcon]

Just picked up warlords

[placid shadow]

people usually nade themselves and give up as soon as i use comms in games, i don't know why

[placid shadow]

welcome to the grind bro

[velvet hinge]

well, you just made me kek, good joke

[plucky falcon]

@placid shadow any good?

[placid shadow]

i'd tag the mod that told me i have unfunny jokes but he also told me not to tag him so that's that

[velvet hinge]

the duality of man

[placid shadow]

a little scared for this bootey you know

[velvet hinge]

fair

[placid shadow]

yes

unless you ^

[velvet hinge]

anyways, back onto the substat grind

[plucky falcon]

Indeed Indeed

[plucky yacht]

Oh they fixed the Stage Left vendor?

[placid shadow]

yes, they shut down the game when i was playing yesterday just to do that

since it was an emergency

[plucky yacht]

Did they roll back the people who exploited?

[placid shadow]

and not like crashes, invisibility and all the other stuff is emergency nah, but the vendor ? can't have that m8

[placid shadow]

no clue

shh

[knotty quail]

Nah

[velvet hinge]

i dont understand how headshot damage is calculated. do the extra mods count for it?

i did the calculations and i should be at 134,4 at least yet the stats show me 131,1

[placid shadow]

nvm Cassie closed btw

Hey

many of you use twins for storage ?

[brisk bridge]

No, they're still alive.

[quick wolf]

Multiplicative towards other damage sources, but additive to itself + crit damage.
So basically, there's only so much headshot damage you can have before you start seeing increasingly high diminishing returns. Just like Weapon Damage.
Pretty sure that's how it's calculated if I'm not mistaken.

[velvet hinge]

so the attributes add together including the gear attachments?

[quick wolf]

Yes, that gives you your total headshot damage %.

[velvet hinge]

whats the base %?

[quick wolf]

That, I don't remember.

The easiest way I can explain it is with Memento.
At 30 Stacks you get 30% increased weapon damage. But this is additive to your already existing weapon damage. So if you're running like 6 red core attributes, that damage increase is actually more like 10% give or take.

[velvet hinge]

ahh i see

all i need is to get it up to 150% so i can use chainkiller more effectivelly

thanks for the headsup (pun intended)

[quick wolf]

Yeah, the description for damage can be deceptively bad for some items. Optimist is a prime example, and is often called a noob trap by the people who actually run the numbers.

[velvet hinge]

i can see why ya

[brisk bridge]

People are pessimistic about Optimist.
Edit: it's a joke.

[quick wolf]

I'm just regurgitating what others have said on it. Strained and Fast Hands are apparently better choices for overall DPS. With Fast Hands being the best for sustained DPS of the two.

Granted this is like... If you're using an all Red build. Which is what I think is where Optimist is bad.

[timber hatch]

It depends on the weapon type.

[tropic compass]

What weapon did they replace stage left with?

[plucky yacht]

Cold Relations I think

[velvet hinge]

Cold Relations yes

[toxic marsh]

is conflict still played returning after a few years off and ive been match making for ¬5min and no one

[quick wolf]

Could be a Time Zone difference. It's still not even 7 am for the entire US.

[toxic marsh]

ahhh righto yeah im in aus

[true turret]

I've seen quite a few people at Expertise 21. But then wow came across someone who has 6x 13% PFE mods. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpcW6FU6Z6Q

[fiery cloud]

Hey Bark

[little relic]

If anyone on div what’s in the dz and which is invaded

Div2*

[placid shadow]

i'm more surprised on people running around with car7 w/dttoc

[fiery cloud]

Yahall gear some named weapons
As far as invaded look for thr RED knife

[placid shadow]

2500 + hours played not a single one procced , even non godroll one, all the car7s i got is with bullshit wrong rolls

feels like they intentionally lowered the chance of car7 spawning with dttoc

[fiery cloud]

Hey Crash

[true turret]

I got 2 that came with DTOC but bad rolls. Tried it then saw the bullet spread felt bad, then left in stash.

[placid shadow]

optimise one bro XD it's worth it

i'm even ready to optimise if i get <50% rolls

that's how desperate i am atm

and nobody will convince me there are any other better pve weapons in the game

famas is cringe at long range

kingsbreaker misses a lot of shot because it's inaccurate af

[true turret]

Nah I'm patient. I know what will happen. I will spend loads of materials to optimise then suddenly the next day I find a good roll and kick myself for wasting materials. Done that so many times in past.

[placid shadow]

yeah lol, i won't even care at that poin t 😄

i'll ust deconstruct the one i optimised

and go cry a little

then go cry some more

and then i'll be ok

[true turret]

Kind of like Kingbreaker, more damage in one magazine even if alot less burst damage. Technician laser with its amplified 20% then I have all red Closer chest with 20% amplified damage on top, 3x Providence, 1x Grupo and Foxs. Never liked gearsets where you stack, just preferred instant damage. But nothing beats Perfect Glass and Perfect Vigilance. My day 1 most used and play safe Rifle at distance only. I'm boring like that.

[placid shadow]

it's not bad, in fact from close up it's a beast, but as you go further away you start missing a lot of shots, that's the problem with the gun imo

[true turret]

True. Game is balanced like that damage per bullet and RPM, they balance ARs to be close in DPS. I do run glass cannon in countdown, then at extraction I chicken out and swap the chest for unbreakable.

[placid shadow]

for the extraction sake i run nego

pretty squishy but better safe then sorry, sometimes random teams just die in extraction/heroic coz not enough dps

but for countdown i prefer foam/kingsbreaker anyways xD

[timber hatch]

King breaker actually has more burst DPS than an M4

[true turret]

Countdown has become a funny place after they added Heroic. I've seen an all SHD 5000+ team drop like flies on first hunters, because not a single person had.....riot foam. The leader on this countdown match making went into rage and kicked everyone after saying in a ghetto voice "you'll sheeit, fk you all out of here". To honest they should disable kicking once countdown loaded in.

During the first hunters phase, the kicking is still enabled.

[placid shadow]

yaeh lol, i figured i need foam from the second playtrough i ever played countdown

like i don't understand why people don't just switch to foam just for countdown , it takes literally few secodns

my main worry in countdown is that when i figure people don't do enough damage

and you just end up running out of time

[true turret]

I think because in red build using riot foam, the cooldown is quite long before they can switch to preferred skill for rest of the mission

[placid shadow]

coz no dps

[placid shadow]

riot foam > any other skill i think in countdown

imo *

tho imo they could just nerf the countdown a little bit , because now it makes the rest of the game kind of irrelevant when you have all the bluprints and stuff

[true turret]

Countdown feels unreliable at this point. The constant lobby kicking, the rage quit on first hunters, the deltas or lag because I'm suddenly on Asia server.

I do agree countdown extraction needs to be toned down. It's whole reason there is lobby kicking. No one kicks a SHD 10 in Heroic missions.

I mean they could disable kicking altogether

[placid shadow]

i played MMOs since my childhood , i think this kind of stuff is a lot more important then the developers think to some players, i had to quit the game on early stages because there was no recal/optim. table , i literally ran out of things to do

then they upped the hardcap with new york rendering all my builds useless literally

they did it 2 times, it pissed me off the most

money was useless so were most components

[true turret]

Yup. New players have it so lucky now. Optimising and targetted loot game modes.

[placid shadow]

now they did an amazing job with recal/optimization, i remember posting a whole reddit post asking EXACTLY this

got trolled by reddit community ofc, but in the end we got exactly that

if it's not removed i can even find the post xD

this game literally was my passion when it came out i played it 24 hours a day

[true turret]

They could of made it feel more like an MMO. Instead of cluster of small server instances, have less servers that can populate more players. Also have open text chat to allow interact and chats with strangers. Walk around town in WOW, nice feeling of community.

[oak prawn]

Ikr

[placid shadow]

LOOK: https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/c5oex9/my_idea_of_how_to_make_division_2_to_not_feel/

i literally asked for almost everything we have now when there was no recal table

0 upvotes, got trolled by toxic redditors

post from 3 years ago

i'm like vanga predicted the future on that shit

people usually misunderstand me when i lash out on the game , it's just because i love it a lot and want shit fixed

[true turret]

lol reddit is full of trolls. I just pity keyboard warriors furiously typing trying to get their point across to people they don't even know.

[placid shadow]

yeah the older post got removed, now wonder

[timber hatch]

It's just a wishlist post, which are a dime a dozen, that's why no one likes them. We've also had the recal table since launch, but it was reworked with the whole library system, and optimizing and experience were added later

[placid shadow]

there was no.. yeah

wishlist ofc, show me one wishlist that has at least 2 of the lines i posted

[true turret]

But at end of the day it's business. Think about it, D2 is a one off purchase 15 bucks on sale for base game + NY. That's it. A person is utilising their servers at no additional cost to player. So the revenue must come from attracting constantly new players, they want to keep legacy players to keep player count high and minimise match making time, plus spending on premium credits.

Subscription based games, content flows. Destiny 2, DLC spam to fund it. It's monthly revenue to maintain servers like WOW

[placid shadow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/bb5o82/older_blue_gear_mods_are_stronger_than_tier_5/
another trick clickbaity youtubers took off my reddit post and said that they figured it all out

now that i scroll back into my reddit history i remember how tryhard i wanted to be in this game

[timber hatch]

Predicting "hey let's not be forced to hoard gear since the best rolls you'll ever see are purple items sold by vendors" is not exactly all that hard, the system on release was fucked. Outside that they haven't predicted anything in that post

[true turret]

I mean hell what if they don't want to increase stash space because extra KB cloud storage per player would cost too much server space globally.

[placid shadow]

like you said , the system on realse was fucked, you have a point and i whined multiple times on that matter since release

[timber hatch]

I'm sure you did

[placid shadow]

oh man , some memory lane stuff 😄
https://i.imgur.com/0aWPpUV.jpg

anybody remember this

[timber hatch]

Yep

[true turret]

Haha yea. Reminds of back in the day when people would do screenshots of raid exotic drops with that pose....then someone swoops to steal and disappear.

[placid shadow]

I remember the bullet hole drawings right before you jump in to fight the razerback

in the huge glass ❤️

good times

i can't find my crit smg pvp healthsteal build post i posted that again clickbaity youtubers stole and said that they invented it

i have a video of it with older timestamp anywaysss , whatever

nowdays some youtubers just make bs build with clickbaity thumbnail and title like "GODBUILD UNBREAKABLE 9000 CHEAT BUILD" anyways

then they show it off in challenging like "OMG I"M BURNING TROUGH MOBS" xD

[granite zephyr]

Meanwhile me tryjng to replicate the one shot nemmie build from a person with 1000 hours +

You try to research for build

I go into the darkzone and get killed, then screenshot every thing they use and use it against them

[placid shadow]

like the other guy said in this chat, nowdays best builds only from speedrunners

[granite zephyr]

We are not the same

[placid shadow]

tux yeah

i think he grabs the builds from chinese speedrunners tho xD

but pretty cool yeah

chinese speedrunners

[true turret]

Yup he got some ideas from a korean youtuber can't remember name. Like the hunters fury with head hunter, exact build

[granite zephyr]

We need a legendary level bounty in opwn world

[placid shadow]

koreans * sorry

[granite zephyr]

Or random open world legendary rank hoatile ambush

I'm sick of getting ambushed by sewer people with bows

[placid shadow]

it was scarry 4 years ago, the chainsaw dude lol

[true turret]

I need to find that korean youtuber again somehow. Literally Legendary runs in fraction of time with hunters fury, headhunter and his team mates are riot foam spamming for him.

[granite zephyr]

Nah, play on lowest darkness
Hears chain rattling
No hud
Jammed from BTSU grenader
Hears chainsaw start

[placid shadow]

i love the graphical designers and mappers/modellers at old massive, they did an amaaaaazing job building this game, then the gameplay developer took it all and threw into the pipe on release

there was so much wasted potential from release

[placid shadow]

😍

[true turret]

found it. Youtuber is MullerT. Korean channel.

[placid shadow]

yeah

[granite zephyr]

Trying to make scarecrow from Div 1

Got the gear and all, but no mask

[placid shadow]

they are more reliable than 90% of clickbaity bs youtubers now, (not counting tux)

[timber hatch]

https://youtu.be/OJQ07uYgRLQ

[true turret]

madness how they know every single spawn and they perfect focus zoom at helicopter spawns firing at NPCs on the way down.

[granite zephyr]

Asians are straight to the point, they calculate every variable in the game to speedrun

[placid shadow]

yeah xD

[timber hatch]

He was being sarcastic about tux, he's fucking awful

[placid shadow]

his builds are fine tho

[timber hatch]

Not at all lol

[placid shadow]

well there was one...no

[timber hatch]

Find me a more misleading YTer lol

[placid shadow]

wait

Mark of bladez

look at this dudes thumbnails pls
https://www.youtube.com/c/MARKofBLADEz

[timber hatch]

He's not misleading because everyone knows he's a joke

[placid shadow]

"GOD LIKE DARE BREAKER ONE MAN ARMY PVE SOLO OP GOOOD LITERALLY CHEAT BUILD"

[granite zephyr]

One man
Oneman
One man
One man
One mna

[placid shadow]

ONE MAN

ARMY

[true turret]

Running Butcher could be a meme for paid exotics....I have "NEW META daily"...then "GET Eagle bearer with discount code" save time

[placid shadow]

xD

okay now that i look mroe of tuxes videos, kinda cringe

[smoky stag]

how dare you slander the butcher

[placid shadow]

looks like a gta v youtuber

[true turret]

I was a in raid and they pulled in a FTC who paid already $200 for Ravenous. I mean I would love to raid 3-4 times a raid with friends and make a grand.

[placid shadow]

wonder why

[azure lintel]

i just hit lvl 39 today

[placid shadow]

did you see his thumbnails ?

[azure lintel]

im first time playthrough tho

[smoky stag]

why you never invite me to this type of league activities

[granite zephyr]

FTC?

[true turret]

First Time Clear

[granite zephyr]

Me who luckily got invited mid raid and got the exotic cus everyone in there was a veteran

Seriously, luck is the best thing you can have

Memento from random loot crate in tier 1
First Chameleon from tier 1 territory control
Vile and Coyote from summit in same day

Also, Free Ridgeway, bighorn, and nemesis drop of my own in TB

I wonder what I do with ridgeway parts now

[true turret]

Well problem is on discord channels people are going about it the wrong way "Get me EB" etc. Best thing is to research how raid mechanics, look at different strategies, take notes. It felt like I was back at university trying to learn Iron Horse. I lied to a group off discord saying I was "experienced" I failed control room on 1st try and got it on 2nd try with only 5 raid completions on my record. Probably sad of me to spend hours researching off youtube, floor diagrams and youtube strategies, but I knew it was better than shouting on discord daily "Get me rav"

[wheat zinc]

Put ridgeway on another character, then complete quest

[granite zephyr]

Mean while me just running the Raid Healer build cus that's the only thing I had lol

[timber hatch]

Pretending to know what your doing is the #1 way to piss off a raid group.... They will find out very quickly if you lie

[granite zephyr]

I just matchmaked into a random raid group and that's how I met my EB

[true turret]

Wait...on Xbox you can match make a raid on normal mode??

[granite zephyr]

Matchmaked on lfg, just said, Looking to raid

Sorry if not clear

[true turret]

ah ok

[granite zephyr]

Random invite came in, next thing I know I joined 7 dudes doing thr raid

Looking for group chat

[true turret]

Yup. I told the group I done the research and I'm not one to just sit there and wait for drop. In 3 days I got EB, Rav and parts of Regulus. 3 days

[granite zephyr]

Countdown is simple, matchmaked or start match making

Guys hear me out

[true turret]

I lied, but I done enough research and run through scenario in mind for hours. No joke 8-9hrs spent on researching DH and IH.

[granite zephyr]

No immortal warhounds,
Ubisoft should Replace with immortal shotgun rushers

[true turret]

No need

[azure lintel]

why is it so hard finding homies in this game

Sadge

[oak prawn]

Homies as in friends or homies as in a clan?

[brazen mountain]

No, no, and no

[velvet hinge]

this grind is somehow making my head hurt less and less

who knew Div2 can be relaxing when you arent getting curbstomped

[brazen mountain]

I spent days getting a outfit in a game

My head was spinning

I was frustrated

I got the outfit after many days

Wasn’t worth it

I’m still happy about that

[velvet hinge]

im happy about many things in life

things, achievements and events that may seem trivial to others, but hold great emotional value to me

[placid shadow]

i relax after working (animation)

it's much satisfying

especially when i work from home, all alone and sometimes on some real difficult shit just for my relatives to say that i sit in front of a computer and print money

when in reality i would love to be one of those - open door, close door - guys for one day, they have no deadlines , no worries, nothing to think about

[frozen meadow]

yikes

[placid shadow]

just keep opening and closing door

[true turret]

ehh...is there no normal version of flatline as opposed to perfect flatline like on kingbreaker. I wanted to roll that on

[inner elbow]

It's just called flatline

[brisk bridge]

There is. Flatline.

[inner elbow]

Gotta put it in the recalibrary first

[placid shadow]

why would you want to roll flatline instead of perfect flatline

or i'm getting something wrong lol

[true turret]

ok that's weird it's not showing up on recallibration.

[brisk bridge]

People who don't like Kingbreaker's terrible handling, maybe.

[placid shadow]

like me

[smoky stag]

or want more range

[brisk bridge]

Or that.

[inner elbow]

Because you gotta store it first

[placid shadow]

flatline on car 7 with dttoc ❤️ will never get that

[velvet hinge]

i feel that. except i write articles and not animate

[true turret]

oh yea haha that's it....

[inner elbow]

Bruh

[velvet hinge]

so i do spend all the time out of class behind a screen, typing text

[placid shadow]

or the broken reloading animations, misplaced hand pose and broken skins on KB

[true turret]

I need to extract it from another weapon that has it dOh

[brisk bridge]

Elementary.

[true turret]

You told me to go back to try that carbine 7 with DTOC, I wanted to roll off overflowing into Flatline and give it a go.

[placid shadow]

i expressed myself in general not told anybody tbh

[brisk bridge]

And need to do it for all weapon types if you want flatline on SMGs, shotguns, etc.

[placid shadow]

but yeah i think car7 is better than kingsbreaker in mid-long ranges

since like Major Pain mentioned , it has terrible handling and you end up missing shots

[hard otter]

Car 7 is fun to use. I used it forever on my HB set

[placid shadow]

fun is the other thing i want to get car7 with dttoc , tired of being sweatty recoil controller with KB

[true turret]

yea I usually test by firing on a wall 15-20 m away to see recoil and spread pattern. kingbreaker has nasty vertical upwards kick, but pretty much straight line. Carbine 7 has less recoil. but has big kick to the right in diagonal fashion. I guess with kingbreaker you only have to worry about recoil correction in single axis.

[hard otter]

Recently I rerolled it to preservation. Used it as secondary for my smg build. Still very good

[timber hatch]

C7 has a big kick? It's one of the most easy to control guns in the game

[placid shadow]

don't it also has bad accuracy so even if you control the recoil it still misses shots at long range ?

[brisk bridge]

Yeah, C7 and M4 are the lasers.

[timber hatch]

It also has some of the best accuracy

[true turret]

yea it kicks to the right, vertical recoil is like half of kingbreaker

[hard otter]

I think recoil correction on kb m isn't much issue.

[true turret]

Carbine 7 has better grouping of shots though from what I see on wall

[hard otter]

Once u get used to the weapon, its hardly noticeable to adjust for the kick on the car7

[placid shadow]

troll

thank god they fixed the vendor bug, was surprisingly fast , i really didn't want to abuse that

[hybrid ore]

With enough practice, you can do a lot to negate recoil issues on PC.

[placid shadow]

yeah but the problem with KB is that it lacks the accuracy too

so in long ranges you still miss shots even if you counterrecoil

[true turret]

https://i.ibb.co/tJgdnYn/123.jpg Kingbreaker pattern on left and Carbine 7 on right

[summer frost]

Mandatory question, i understand that each weapon has its own pattern but is recoil random or is always exactly the same?

[hard otter]

I meant keyboard mouse. Not kingbreaker

[placid shadow]

try longer range

with controlled recoil on both guns

[summer frost]

Side note: you can't imagine how hard it is to aim at a flying drone with a controller, their hitbox is thin as a line

[hybrid ore]

KB's opti-range caps out at 31m, c7's is 35m.
Anything outside of that and you're nuking the stats anyway.
Anything longer range than that and you're using the wrong gun for the distance.

[placid shadow]

i thought you guys get aim assist on that 😄

Yeah Rivens but how many shots you will miss with KB vs Car7 at lets say 31 m

[summer frost]

I think we do, but after your first shot you have to correct for both the recoil and the drone trajectory. That's tough given the small hit box they have.

[placid shadow]

or leats say mob in cover and partially stickign out

[true turret]

anything over 30-40m I probably would use a rifle instead

[hybrid ore]

I don't ever auto-fire with those guns, but do a kinda hybrid burst pattern.
Greatly increases your hit-rate.

[timber hatch]

Ok so your making zero adjustments and just firing the whole clip. You can tell the difference in kick just based off how thick the C7 line is, which is due to the movement of the kick being super slow and consistent. This makes it super easy to control and keep in 1 spot with little effort

[brisk bridge]

C7, M4, Famas, and Kingbreaker patterns - https://i.imgur.com/AX5Zoxp.jpg

[timber hatch]

Also try and find a gun with less spread and recoil than the C7

[brisk bridge]

Both Famas and Kingbreaker went up vertically much more than that.

[hybrid ore]

Peter, there's actually "optimal ranges" for guns, you can see them all in the 📌 spreadsheet.
Outside of those and I believe damage even falls off, although Raucey can explain that one smarter.

[placid shadow]

i hate famas tbh

[hard otter]

Railsplitter

Lol

[timber hatch]

That's accuracy not stability

[hard otter]

Tbh on kbm accuracy matters more than stability

[hybrid ore]

Reminder that Accuracy in div2 refers to "reticule bloom", and stability refers to "vertical kick".

[true turret]

ok I see now. With controlling recoil the circle of bullets pattern alot smaller than kingbreaker. Tested at 30 m few times on a wall in open world.

[placid shadow]

kingsbreakers main issue i have

[hard otter]

Not that I prefer using railsplitter over car7 or king breaker

[hybrid ore]

No Talent, and it's based off the ctar.
I can see why you don't enjoy it.

[placid shadow]

can you put underbarel pulse attachment on that ?

[hard otter]

Nope

[placid shadow]

oh it's named lol, me dum dum

[hard otter]

No good with heartbreaker. Good with strikers. Though there are better options

[placid shadow]

meh i dislike measured anyways tbh

heartbreaker i dislike in general, nego now is the real deal for me XD

much more dps in general

[hard otter]

You can put attachments on named. But railsplitter doesn't have a long rail under barrel

[true turret]

thankfully can on carbine 7. Now I just need to find a weapon with flatline to pull talent then put it on carbine 7 dtoc I have, then test it

[placid shadow]

this is what i've been trying to do for a while now

but it literally seems like they made it hard to roll with dttoc xD

[true turret]

Honesty I know you said just optimise it. But I know so many times I've optimised something than bang the next day I find one with good roll, wasting materials 😄

[placid shadow]

my noob friend got godroll car7 with dttoc from a challenging control point

[velvet hinge]

i opened 25 named item caches

not a single chainkiller. god bless my rng

[placid shadow]

he played the game like 14 hours

[placid shadow]

i mean, i said it for me coz i was super unlucky with that

i said i'm ready to optimise it even if i get <50% rolls XD

[hybrid ore]

The general advice is: farm one out with at least 80% to godroll, then optimise that.
Will save you a LOT of materials.

[hard otter]

My RNG is weird. I was looking for a waveform holster forever. And yesterday 3 dropped for me consecutively inside 15 minutes

[placid shadow]

see what i mean when i say i'm at my breakpoint, i know Rivens is right

[hard otter]

All doing open world

[placid shadow]

but i'm just super pissed at this point

[true turret]

One I got is 12.4% WP, 17% HD and 7% dtoc.

[hybrid ore]

dtooc matters the most, if that roll is good then the rest don't super matter.

[velvet hinge]

i remember grinding 8 hours straight for a Coyote mask, didnt get any, gave up, went to DC to relax, cleared a control point and got it to drop

my rng is hella weird

[true turret]

I didn't get chance to stock up on materials once more before getting kicked for maintenance from the free materials event couple days ago.

[velvet hinge]

rngesus is really wicked

[placid shadow]

also honestly , why don't more people play nego

seriously, why heartbreaker

[timber hatch]

A C7 with dtooc already on it is one of those items that's worth optimizing, along with chests and backpacks that have all the right rolls. Everything else when your newish (under 1k shd) don't worry about optimizing just yet and save the materials

[velvet hinge]

you could say it breaks your heart to see so many of them

finger guns

[placid shadow]

❤️‍🔥

[wheat zinc]

It’s a dream maker

[smoky stag]

mats = farmable no rng
c7 dttooc = pure rng

[hybrid ore]

a love taker?

[timber hatch]

Just farm more

[wheat zinc]

Don’t mess around with me

[placid shadow]

c7 dttoc - sanity damage

i can swear it rolls a lot less than with other rolls

i have gotten so many bullshit rolls but not dttoc

[hybrid ore]

.

[true turret]

It's like one of those things. You spend a week farming AR loot targetted. Give up then few weeks later when you're not looking then it drops

[smoky stag]

then u put it on alt or a different talent

[oak prawn]

Most stuff drops when your not actively looking for it

[wheat zinc]

[smoky stag]

speaking of farming, i now have 3 golan creeping deaths with SFX and haste. got 2 just this week alone lol

while farming for golan oppo

[true turret]

I've farmed like 30 closer chest from countdown over 2 weeks. The best I got was one with CHD and headshot. Gave up.

[placid shadow]

imagine cassie open up shot tomorrow

and there is car7 with dttoc ❤️

and heartbreaker set

[smoky stag]

it already happened back in february at BOO vendor

[placid shadow]

i missed that since i was playing my other bs mmo that almost ruined myl ife

[true turret]

doh looks like I missed opportunity then. But I guess like other vendor items it was a bad roll.

[smoky stag]

doesnt matter if its low roll if its right roll.
you buy it and you optimize it

[placid shadow]

i'll get married faster than i'll get car7 with dttoc

not even lying

[true turret]

😄 Make it sound like Carbine 7 is some ultimate weapon

[oak prawn]

I have 2 with DTOOC got lucky with countdown

[smoky stag]

you'll have a harder time getting it to drop than farming the mats to opti

[placid shadow]

i do solar every day for mats

dunno if there is a better way atm

[smoky stag]

just keep farming AR
when u get one with dttoc stick with it and end the torture
focus on the opti mats instead

[true turret]

every day...man you must of memorise every detail of every rock, even in dreams of layout by now.

[placid shadow]

yes , even the glitched under the ground box

that can still be looted

[hybrid ore]

I'd honestly say a run of Countdown and breaking everything up would probably get you a similar amount of mats.
Maybe 2-3 runs.

[true turret]

I couldn't even imagine doing the same mission or control point 2-3 times in a row

[placid shadow]

countdown can get pretty boring & irritating when yo uget kicked

also just spam the same shit over and over

that's why i'd like them to nerf it a little bit

or at least make it so you have a cooldown on additional loot

so i won't have to do the same shit all day long

[true turret]

yea but it's most efficient for loot, even if I hate the parts of running between encounters. Just rather "be" at the encounters at shorter distance.

[placid shadow]

that's the problem that it's the most efficient way

so in a way if you want to be productive you have to spam that shit over and over

[surreal orbit]

I have a black hanging crate (10+ crates) run that takes like 5 to 10 minutes. 28 to 38 resources per crate.

[placid shadow]

sometimes runs with randoms can go so wrong if you play on heroic

from not enough dps to dying to starting rouges coz no foam launcher ( like the other guy mentioned) XD

my most hated thing is no dps

that's why nego one love, especially for extraction

i hate dead weight on countdown heroic

[true turret]

I was in a random match make. 1x FI, 1x Ongoing and 1x vanguard, then countdown switch box "Close range damage" It was beautiful.

[placid shadow]

🥹

4/10 times i'd get people with random gear peaces

and troll build

[smoky stag]

K I C K

[placid shadow]

i have a weak heart i don't be host coz i don't want to kick people

[novel laurel]

Hopefully with the xp changes they plan on making we get something a little bit better then convoys and CPs

[true turret]

haha probably all gear pieces non-proficient to get it levelled up

[placid shadow]

YES BUT ON COUNTDOWN HEROIC ? XDDDD

[smoky stag]

id still stand by the rotating triple XP instead of target loot for missions/area as a good way to do it

[placid shadow]

like people want us to carry on countdown heroic

are they not tired of failing countdown just coz they want to level their shit

[novel laurel]

It'll be interesting to see what they change that's for sure

I'm guessing the new game mode that's in the works will be more xp focused

[smoky stag]

triple xp on lincoln? im there 5 directives with a regu

[placid shadow]

yes and we all know the reason why XD

[novel laurel]

Fuck double xp I'll be there😂

[placid shadow]

just nerf lincoln and convo xp

[smoky stag]

nerf carbine 7 drop rates
make it always drop swap speed

[placid shadow]

🥹

swap speed for core roll

lmao

[timber hatch]

It's double exp week everywhere for HC right now

[smoky stag]

make legendary strongholds 4x XP

[true turret]

ahh that I agree. The XP should scale to difficulty to alot more than compared to Heroic

[placid shadow]

nerf hearbreaker , it's too op 🥹

also nerf base of operations , too much time wasted there

[smoky stag]

might encourage more speedrunners

[warm laurel]

It's still nothing. It happens to me that 3-4 times in a row, almost the entire team just leaves the countdown, well, periodically it just dies, or rather most of them, like noobs. Once in my team there was a dude with a level of 222 thousand hours, so he was one of the first to leave. I hate randoms in this game and most of the community.

[timber hatch]

If they did this then every <100 shd player would just spam matchmaking and kicking them would be "toxic"

[placid shadow]

there is a chance that they just crashed

🥹

all this talk makes me want to smoke, and i'll prolly work after that so cya later

[true turret]

The countdown delta/crash seems to happen towards end for me. Not often, but I know it happens to others in group I play alongside

[warm laurel]

3-4 times in a row? The whole team that gradually just goes out?

[novel laurel]

Really?

[placid shadow]

black tar in my lungs is more likely than car7 with dttoc

[smoky stag]

2 goats 5 chickens

[timber hatch]

Whatever type of character, hardcore or normal, has lower shd will have infinite double exp during the double exp weeks

[novel laurel]

Infantry MG5 or normal MG5

Div 1 missions lol

[smoky stag]

Yes pls guaranteed exo comp

[velvet hinge]

at least increase the drops significantly

[novel laurel]

They do have higher drop

[smoky stag]

Its sj's fault

[velvet hinge]

barely

anyways, time to grab lunch, should i get pizza or chinese?

[novel laurel]

50% increase from heroic @velvet hinge

[velvet hinge]

nevermind then

[smoky stag]

For the difficulty and time it tsakes its not proportional

[novel laurel]

Not counting target loot, from what I've heard that's just from any enemy dropping an exotic, so if target loot is mask or something it's even higher

[smoky stag]

Completing in under 15 = guaranteed exotic component

[warm laurel]

It would be better if this drunk from Ubisoft made it possible to reconnect to the countdown if you were kicked out of the game and after re-entering you would be given the opportunity to reconnect to the countdown or go to the free world. And then how many times it was, I reached the evacuation, there is a bunch of drops and you just get kicked out of the game to the fuck.

[novel laurel]

I agree, 50% sound awesome. But when you think about the fact that it can take 3x as long. And 50% of 1/10000000 doesn't mean much😂

(Random example given not actual drop rate)

[regal sage]

can please someone give an advice how i can get better expertise from lvl 17. If i go to countdown there are no drops i can exchange for expertise anymore. from like 3-4 runs maybe i found 1 that i can donate. Should i start farming mods and destroy them? or what would be your advice ?

[novel laurel]

It's like getting a raise at job where you make 1.25$ an hour, a 50% raise is a lot better but it's still next to nothing

[smoky stag]

printer filaments
farm skill mods deconstruct and donate

[novel laurel]

Just about to say this

Any extra loot that's not mods, sell and buy mods for printer filament I would think

[smoky stag]

its the obvious solution

[regal sage]

Damit that will take weeks right ?

[smoky stag]

i did mine in 1 week

nothing but skill mods from 15 onwards

[regal sage]

congrats

[smoky stag]

no countdown too

[regal sage]

where do you get them? level new Agents for SHD points?

[smoky stag]

never did wony runs ever
just kept targeting skill mods while leveling up back in the day with f10

[warm laurel]

Say thanks to the community whiners who turn the game into a grind 24/7 with their whining, because other ways to get this or that game item are not fucking historical.

[novel laurel]

Skill mods are better than gear mods?

[smoky stag]

so combination of PF donations from decon'd mods and shd points

[true turret]

So buy skill mods, convert to printer filament and use them to expertise skills?

[smoky stag]

they're the same but with skill mods i dont have to look in case its a PFE 13 or max crit or hsd mod

[novel laurel]

I just hit 15 so that's good to know

[novel laurel]

Ahhh

[smoky stag]

just pressed loot as junk on all of em

did most of it on challenging so i know they will be bad anyway

[regal sage]

Where did you farm the skillmods `? Or whats the best way?

[smoky stag]

countdown if you can group and can suffer thru the disconnects, etc
boss floors in summit for easier groups/solo but know that you wont get xp anymore

[novel laurel]

I need the gear mods and skill mods so I have to look at shit anyway😂

[smoky stag]

ah then might as well gear mods in case u get some unicorns

3000 printer filaments for 1 item proficient iirc

[novel laurel]

I remember how in div 1 crits were for pvp and pve everyone used dmg to elites

[novel laurel]

Holy

[true turret]

each skill mod gives 6 printer filaments, so 500 mods needed. Nice

[smoky stag]

you get 10 from 1 watch point
6 each from decon'd mods

[timber hatch]

What's your shd?

[novel laurel]

Nyyyyyy

[smoky stag]

wont take long tbh. just farm and decon

[novel laurel]

The concrete jungle where dreams are made up

Of? Not sure tbh

[timber hatch]

Also tbh 17 is already hight enough there's little point getting the last 3 or 4 ok evels

[smoky stag]

better chances than waiting for 1 specific gun type to drop

[timber hatch]

Or just wony run and it's miles quicker

[novel laurel]

How many proficient items would I get at 2046 shd

[smoky stag]

b-b-b-but wony runs for mats are cheating! 😄

[novel laurel]

It's like 250 watch points per item right

[smoky stag]

4 and barely a half if solely PFs from watchpoints

[novel laurel]

If you buy mods and deconstruct

It's 300 per item?

[smoky stag]

i hate newyork lol

[novel laurel]

Yea at my lvl it's not worth it lol

🤷🏽‍♂️

[smoky stag]

god i hate pathway park

[calm oyster]

It feels like catharsis mask doesn’t drop

[smoky stag]

2 goats 5 chickens

[novel laurel]

I got every exotic 2months into playing idk how people struggle this much

[timber hatch]

You were the one who showed me that mind numbing tombs method right?

[smoky stag]

bad rng combined with not enough play time exarcebated by inefficient farming locations/method

[novel laurel]

I figured that

[timber hatch]

God that was so fucking awful lol. At least I kinda enjoy wony runs

[novel laurel]

I am at the point where it's only named dz and exotic items left for expertise

[smoky stag]

i joined on someones session once and just did a macro to wipe without even climbing up and jamming. just macro'd the wipe lol

[novel laurel]

Has anyone else noticed that HH timer will run out but still give you the dmg boost

[calm oyster]

My rng is terrible

I been trying to get the mask

Waiting for masks in dz so I can just farm

[novel laurel]

Why dz lol

You coulda had it by now in countdown

[calm oyster]

No

I did so much CD

[novel laurel]

Wdym no😂

[calm oyster]

No mask just coyotes n viles

[novel laurel]

Were you buying exotic caches?

[calm oyster]

That too

Got duped

[novel laurel]

I'm down to run countdown to try and get it for you

[calm oyster]

Dupes

Has it ever dropped in CD for u ?

[novel laurel]

Yes

Sounds about division

[calm oyster]

I can run CD

[tranquil aspen]

Anyone willing to help to farm for exotic shotgun please?

[placid shadow]

what you meaaan

just grind countdown

[tranquil aspen]

I keep dying over there ngl i got 5 exotic today from control points

But not the shotgun one

[placid shadow]

are you dying in Heroic countdown ?

[tranquil aspen]

Yeah

[placid shadow]

don't do heroic then

[tranquil aspen]

I am new new player lol only 99shd

[placid shadow]

problem solved, + you won't be dead weight for the rest of the group

[tranquil aspen]

Thats why i never do count donw

Down

[placid shadow]

i just literally told you, you can do challenging and not Heroic

[tranquil aspen]

Does exotic drop in challenging?

[placid shadow]

yes

[tranquil aspen]

Aye thanks

[placid shadow]

and you farm coins to buy exotic caches too

[tranquil aspen]

Didn’t know about this one, new to me

Thanks 🙏🏽

[placid shadow]

🥹 \

[tranquil aspen]

Also how do i get certain bounties for certain area (manhunt event) dont see the bounties to finish the event

Or area

[brisk bridge]

Strange, zero matchmaking on Countdown for the last 20 minutes. Most unusual.

[lethal fjord]

unusual

[reef reef]

Unsusuial

[surreal orbit]

Bounties tab on map, yellow icons are for the event

[brisk bridge]

LOL, I'm the language dictator, so ironic for me to make a typo like that. In my defence, I was dealing with a couple of other things. 🙂

[reef reef]

Its fine, we love ya.

[tranquil aspen]

With yellow icon?

Aye thanks

[brisk bridge]

Each exotic cache at the Countdown vendor costs 224 requisition points. If you do two Coundtown missions on Challenging and extract, you are pretty much guaranteed to have that much. On top of that, there is the (small) chance you may get an exotic in the regular loot that drops.

[velvet hinge]

what would you say is the best and fastest way to grind SHD levels?

[surreal orbit]

Resource convoys on challenging or above with as many directives as you can handle

[velvet hinge]

alright

cheers

[timber hatch]

"as you can handle" meaning not being slowed down by them. If your taking more than a minute or two to clear a convoy then lower the difficulty/directives

[tranquil aspen]

💯🙏🏽

[hybrid ore]

small side-tip: as long as you're not too close, aim for weak points. They can disable enemies in a cluster which can reduce your kill time because you don't need to heal from each shot.

[tranquil aspen]

I notice when i shoot at red boxed on enemies it take down their armor way quick so i keep looking for those whenever i see one lol

[hybrid ore]

Some of the "weak points" (aka: red things on an NPC's body) cause status effects, some just strip armour.
on Black Tusk, they often cause shocks to groups.

[tranquil aspen]

But on black tusk i never see those weak points must be me lol

[muted cape]

Testing

[hybrid ore]

Mostly on their backpacks.

It's a little red box, looks like an ammo pack.
it's probably a grenade pouch.

[lament mirage]

I live landmarks u can just keep running em

N they only take a min

[velvet hinge]

in the DZ?

[brisk bridge]

You're sending this poor soul into the DZ?

[lament mirage]

Convoys aren’t as consistent n gotta fast travel to nearby safe house that’s closest to one n catch it etc

Landmarks u can just clear n head to the next n repeat unless u get farmed

[hybrid ore]

Or do both, since Convoys are on timers.

[velvet hinge]

Alternatively do both and add some other stuff in to keep it fresh

[hybrid ore]

I like clearing the map of CP's, let's you get the green activities and those are real fast.

[timber hatch]

Convoys are still a far higher exp/hr than dz landmarks or CPs

[lament mirage]

True

[velvet hinge]

Ye. CPs are also hella fun

[tranquil aspen]

Also any idea to take down the black tusk robots faster?

[hybrid ore]

Shoot the bit where the legs join the body, it's kinda red-ish.

[tranquil aspen]

Aye imma look out for that

Thanks again 🙏🏽

[iron adder]

the sniper dogs have a small weakpoint at where turret barrel attaches with the main body (also red-ish)

the explosive dogs have a red line at the tank

[timber hatch]

HH stacks + shotgun to the legs, ravenous, demo launcher, or emp sticky/pulse

[tranquil aspen]

Too bad i cant put any reactions on someones comments lol

But thanks yall 💯🙏🏽

[iron adder]

I also saw speedrunners shoot an EMP sticky but not detonate it to stun the dogs for longer

[plucky yacht]

Anyone know which missions have named cleaners in them?

[novel laurel]

Only problem is sometimes sticky will go on cooldown before you need to detonate it

[iron adder]

stranded tanker I think

[plucky yacht]

Do the rogue agents in NY count?

[iron adder]

I don't think so

[tender wave]

Rogue agents generally aren't cleaners (excepting Connelly) so they won't count. You can find more named cleaners by doing level 4 cps and cleaner bounties.

Kajika might count too but I'm not certain

[plucky yacht]

CPs are probably better, right

Thx

I want that yellow hunter outfit but I don't understand the whole referral thing tbh

[tender wave]

referral is complicated and apparently quite often just doesn't work - but they said they'll be bringing the hunter outfit to the shop at some point and you'll be able to purchase it with textiles

[plucky yacht]

Oh okay, let's hope so... there's nothing to do with that many textiles so that'd make sense

[unkempt plume]

CPs mean control points, right?

[hybrid ore]

Yep, control points.
There are too many acronyms in div2, you're right.

[unkempt plume]

Ty

[tardy sandal]

WOWW I have been playing this game for months and I'm only just now accidentally finding out that if you press tab while aiming down the sights it brings up a scope

[timber hatch]

It's only certain scopes, 3.4x and 4x. The same button will change the zoom on the tac50 and nemesis as well

[tardy sandal]

kinda wish it was inverted, so right click would bring up the scope and you could back out of it with tab if needed

[tender wave]

wish it just remembered your previous setting whenever you're not ADSing

[lament mirage]

Few good things about td2 u could ads with most optics or just hip fire

Unlike td2 where u can only change it with 3x n 4x optic 🤌

[reef reef]

lfg in the lfg channels please

[velvet hinge]

Aight, so

whats the difference between heroic and legendary difficulty?

[lament mirage]

Legendary is only white tusk

N slightly more tanky enemies that do a bit more damage with slightly better rolls loot wise

[velvet hinge]

you mean black tusk?

[lament mirage]

But both legendary 4 man n heroic 4 man hit different ngl

[velvet hinge]

i mean i run heroics solo with ease so how much harder should i expect the resistance on legendary to be?

[lament mirage]

Basically but they white

[tranquil aspen]

Dang…. 5 countdowns and no exotic shotgun 😦

[mystic zealot]

Legendary are only white tusk, basically BT on steroids and with fancier toys

[lament mirage]

Same type of units tho dogs , tanks, chungus etc

More elites in legendary as well

[velvet hinge]

ah so the same stuff as heroic but more tanky

[mystic zealot]

fast mini tanks, kinda lethal rushers with somehow unlimited suicide drones and rather tanky too, heavy with mini gun AND stinger+heal hive on back

[lament mirage]

N ur facing only one faction unlike heroic

[mystic zealot]

expect to hear that "drone locked on" noise and that "beep beep" all the time

[lament mirage]

Meaning legendary in summit is only white tusk units minus rogues n hunters

[velvet hinge]

alright

so imma shower first then. keep it fresh

[mystic zealot]

though there are off chances where you could find some isolated case of a group of say, "chain gang" getting absolutely slaughtered in some rooms

[velvet hinge]

seeya in a bit

[brisk bridge]

Jammer pulse is your friend on legendary.

[mystic zealot]

saw a chainsaw man trying to hurt a white tusk heavy, gun and stinger beats chainsaw without a sweat

[velvet hinge]

should have asked Power for help

[mystic zealot]

kinda scary too, sawman didn't even get to hugging distance and he's already ded

[velvet hinge]

anyways, shower time. Kay needs to freshen up

[flat mica]

I still can't find this last side mission 😩

[mystic fog]

which one ya looking for @flat mica

[mystic fog]

was about to say. you can have a fancy chainsaw...but it's gonna do sod all if you can't even get close to a husky tusky 😂

[tranquil aspen]

Aye 10 countdowns and no scorpio imma give up

[mystic fog]

hmmm weird.... my Social menu has the Friends Online xx and then to the right of it it say Asia with a red wifi icon

which is funny and all.....but i live in the sodding netherlands -_-

[normal kraken]

Are resource convoys w/ directives enabled still the fastest way to level SHD? Just returning to the game after a several month break, however I have started playing on PC now instead of PS so I need to level my watch again. I understand floor 10 was nerfed so I’m guessing it’s back to resource convoys?

[tranquil aspen]

Is sweet dreams shotgun any good?

[placid shadow]

there we go, didn't crash for a week now i just crashed 3 times in a row 😄 it started again

make that 4, auf

[tranquil aspen]

Lol sandman talent on sweet dream is op lol

[placid shadow]

bro , i keep crashing when loading countdown, should i just verify files or something, something defo wrong

[tender wave]

doesn't do any harm to verify files

...well, probably not

[placid shadow]

🥹 i just finished working i really wanna play

[mystic fog]

poor thing headpats

[placid shadow]

🥹 🥹

[mystic fog]

i still haven't even tried a countdown or the raids 😂

[placid shadow]

ur missing out in a lot of loot

countdown op

[mystic fog]

i mean i'm at 60 % crit and around 60-70 crit dam or something not sure i could join with that though one can hope 😂

[knotty quail]

CHD is sad

[brazen mountain]

No not really

[knotty quail]

But just join Challenging MM

Less edgy sweats kicking people there

[mystic fog]

😂

[tranquil aspen]

Yeah figured that out… been trying for scorpio no luck but thanks

[knotty quail]

Scorpio is OP af

[brazen mountain]

Keep trying for the Scorpio you’ll get it I’m sure

[brazen mountain]

I wouldn’t say that but it’s a really good shottie

[mystic fog]

i got a fully optimized scorpio it's an absolute JOY to use

[placid shadow]

is it really op tho ? 😄

[mystic fog]

well for ME anyway i dare say whoever i hit with it thinks differently 😂

[brazen mountain]

Very VERY good against hunters tho

[mystic fog]

YES

[placid shadow]

foam is good against hunters 😄

[tranquil aspen]

Yess!!

[mystic fog]

but. why not both

[tranquil aspen]

I been seeing everyone playing with it

[mystic fog]

foam AND scorpio

[knotty quail]

Yes

[placid shadow]

coz dps more with other guns ?

[brazen mountain]

Scorpio is better but foam works if you don’t wanna use the Scorpio/don’t have it

[knotty quail]

Scorpio is to lock down bosses and HVTs, you don't use it as your main

[placid shadow]

well i use bee to get that swseet 1m+ damage per shot

[brazen mountain]

You shouldn’t use Scorpio on some bosses tho

[tranquil aspen]

What if ur whole build gives only shotgun bonus?

[knotty quail]

Then do M870 HH

[brazen mountain]

More damage

[tranquil aspen]

Probably can take anything out lol

[mystic fog]

why an m870? i mean i'd rather use a Six-12 or a KSG variant or a Super 90 if i feel like doing a John Wick

[knotty quail]

M870 has the highest base dmg which will give you a lot higher cap dmg on Headhunter

Point of a shotgun is to 1 tap

[brazen mountain]

Still I can’t say that the Scorpio is op but it’s near that depending on what build your going on

[knotty quail]

Same as a sniper

If you can't 1 shot, better use an AR or an SMG

[mystic fog]

caringly pats Nemesis

[knotty quail]

Well yes

It's why you see people using Nemesis, Mantis WD instead of like, an Dragunov some other semi auto

[brazen mountain]

I don’t know how to feel about every shotgun/sniper being for one shots only

[knotty quail]

They can't 1 tap, bolt actions can

[tranquil aspen]

Nothing is one shot in any game lol

[knotty quail]

It is

M870 HH and sniper builds lol

[mystic fog]

just got a Lefty

[knotty quail]

And Regulus

[mystic fog]

this gun 😂

[tranquil aspen]

Lol how can u play sniper in this game lol all fights is up close no?

[knotty quail]

Decoy

Or group to take off aggro

[brazen mountain]

Beat me to it

[knotty quail]

Also, you don't play the same with a sniper and with traditional builds

Obviously

[mystic fog]

besides looking cool...is the Liberty any good - i got a maxed out one, but not sure if i wanna start using it or not when i have a double barrel shorty. it's like 1/3 of the dmg.... XD

[knotty quail]

For tanks builds but like

[mystic zealot]

liberty is the gun to used for a tank build, headshot on that give your shield some armor back

[brazen mountain]

Liberty is best used for tank shield builds

[knotty quail]

Tank builds lmao

[placid shadow]

so i restarted my pc, and i just try to fast travel from one safehouse to another , and it's infinite loading , WHAT

[mystic fog]

oh dear

verify files or reinstall ?

[placid shadow]

did verify didn't help, restarted didn't help

it was working this morning XD i didn't even do anything

it was working perfectly fine for a whole week

[brazen mountain]

Well like the other person said you can trying reinstalling

Or you can just not fast travel at all

That can work too

[placid shadow]

yeah but i get that when trying to play countdown too, that's the problem xd

i'll try to remove shadercache

that fixed the problem.....

[summer frost]

Yeah, the game has a Wide range of weird bugs on PC. It really makes me curious about what decisions they made when building engine and the game that resulted into this. Like the game is breeding grounds for bugs

[flat mica]

I don't know which one I'm missing. I did all the ones in DC, NY, and the 5 hidden ones that aren't on the map. Still missing one more.

[remote lynx]

MAJOR DIVISION 2 EXPANSION Is Coming...? huh!?

[mystic fog]

there should be something under....Progression? i think

[mystic fog]

you what now ? i'm just aware of Heartland, but that's stand alone if i recall

[flat mica]

I checked the side missions under there, doesn't show which ones are incomplete tho :/

Driving me crazy sitting at 39/40 missions 🫠

[remote lynx]

I think Division 3 will be revealed in Q2 2023

[tender wave]

you just making up hype for the fun of it?

[fervent berry]

https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/eznhsm/the_division_2_all_side_missions_walkthrough_list/

Maybe you could cross-reference this to your progress

[flat mica]

👀 I'll check it out!

Thanks 🙂

[remote lynx]

Did u read Ubisoft's first half Investor's Report for Fiscal 2022

[tender wave]

yeah, fiscal reports are my favourite subject matter

[fervent berry]

I don't recall a sequel in the works or showing up on the franchise roadmap

[reef reef]

Lets not start a hype train at all. Keep your hype levels well managed, people.

[velvet hinge]

holy shit, today's a national holyday

my game recovered from a freeze

[fervent berry]

The only thing I'm hyped about, weirdly enough, is the upcoming Netflix film 😂

[quick wolf]

Ah yes, I love hype. Don't you guys too? Don't you love the disappointment and and begrudging emotions that come with a project that doesn't deliver?
Absolutely astounding.

[mystic fog]

stares at No Man's Sky and CP 2077

[lapis junco]

stares at like litearlly every triple A game released in the last like 7 years

[quick wolf]

I'll be fair to Hello Games and CD Projekt Red. No Man's Sky and CyberPunk 2077 have seen significant improvements since release.
But this whole "release now, patch shit later" trend that's been going on for a while now has got me pretty much 90% cynical over all game releases these days.

[mystic fog]

you make a fair point Lord Otter but yeah what Striped-Bark said XD

if i pay 50+ for a game if not 60+ i expect it to be at least decent

[lapis junco]

why call me lord otter

[lapis junco]

Making decent games doesnt make money

[quick wolf]

An Otter stands proud on top of a pumpkin. Why wouldn't he be a lord.

[lapis junco]

:)

[mystic fog]

i dunno made sense in my head somehow something toi do with Odder Otters in FF XIV.....and them being - probably - some kind of deity to SOMEONE

i mean i thoroughly enjoyed AC: Valhalla

coincidentally also a Goobisoft game. and i bought that on release day

[lapis junco]

Remember when ubisoft knew how to make a game

Good times

[knotty quail]

Wildlands

[quick wolf]

It's not that decent games don't make money. It's that games are overhyped and marketed to high hell. And most gamers these days don't care that they're buying trash.
If you fix the consumer, generally you fix the industry. I doubt that'll happen with video games any time soon.

People willingly spend $60 on something they probably know isn't going to be good right off the bat.

[sleek drift]

Cuz ppl are stupid enough to fall for hype

[quick wolf]

Companies see this and just roll with it because it's easy money.

[lapis junco]

that will never change imho

[sleek drift]

Its image fixation garbage, just sell an image or expectation

Marketing and PR is cancer

[knotty quail]

It obviously works tho

[quick wolf]

All it takes is one great looking trailer to make all the gamers forget any probable problems.

Wiser words have never been spoken by Asmongold. ^

[sleek drift]

Cuz ppl are stupid lul

[quick wolf]

^

For every skeptic gamer that sees past the bullshit marketing, like 15 others fall into the trap.

[mystic fog]

sounds about right XD

[sleek drift]

If you have PR skills and know how to market, its the same skillset required to be an efficient scammer

[sleek drift]

I just wait

New games don't get my rocks off; I still have fun with og Quake lmao

[mystic fog]

i fell for NMS and CP 2077 sure i played them later on....but i sure as heck was considering returning them where possible

nowadays i just wait for gameplay to pop up on youtube 😂

[sleek drift]

Ya I watched div 2 gameplay before I got it

Was for DZ PVP

Today was my first day pvping and it was fun as fuck

[mystic fog]

one of the reasons i got AC:Valhalla on release was cause i worked at a game store, and we got a promo copy to show in the shop to get more orders.

[quick wolf]

Just imagine if the companies make the absolute perfect sales algorithm that solves the traveling salesman problem.
Would be squeezing every brainless gamer dry, lmao.

[mystic fog]

good times. got to try it out before actually buying 😂

[mystic fog]

so basically every FIFA/F1/Fortnite player ? 😂

[sleek drift]

I bought GRP for 30 dollars cuz the ultimate was 75% off

GR:b

Div 2 has better mechanics

[mystic fog]

GRP ?

[quick wolf]

I will never understand FIFA games. It's literally the same game every year with maybe a few additions or streamlined features from previous games.
Or maybe a new system or players.

[sleek drift]

Ghost Recon breakpoint

I had a bad bout of dyslexia

[mystic fog]

i recall Breakpoint being fun but having it's....flaws. cough bullet drop cough

[sleek drift]

Velocity is bs, the aim is inconsistent

Otherwise it fills my MGS niche

[mystic fog]

i swear the first time i fired a .50 and i could SEE the bullet drop within 300m i was like..nope. nuh uh back to TD2 XD

oh man going full John Wick with a Super 90 / AR / 1911 loadout good times 😂

[sleek drift]

I want my breakpoint wetsuit in div2

bring back wetsuit or im gonna bully people in the dz

literally punt shd lvl 100 orphans

[quick wolf]

I've only ever played Breakpoint on Immersive. I stick with TD2 for my looting needs.

[mystic fog]

and then you get the wetsuit. and you just continue bullying people while wearing it XD

[sleek drift]

Yes, cuz my life preserver stops me from drowning in tears

I need to max my build

So unoptimized

[quick wolf]

I think there was a scuba outfit actually. Like a long ass time ago during one of the very first apparel events or something.

You got it for completing the event.

[sleek drift]

Ya thats what I want

I find it bs all the old apparel events can be bought but the rewards for having them all cant be gaines

[novel laurel]

Yea there was

[quick wolf]

Probably there as an incentive for people to grind and stay on the game.

[fervent berry]

It has a Seattle raincoat or something, bright yellow, couldn't miss it in the dark

[quick wolf]

Heat Wave event.

[sleek drift]

Just a life preserver

[oak prawn]

Oh ik the ur talking about

[fervent berry]

Yeah, Heat Wave, gg Striped

[mystic fog]

running hard mode + 2 directives atm for a laugh. running through resource convoys with a pestilence feels like bullying at this point 😂

[fiery cloud]

Hey Zephyr, MiloticN7

[fervent berry]

Hey Saph

[silent nymph]

man i pray that we can at least a cutscene for anderson just like we did with keener when we defeated him

[flat mica]

I mean, there's always Resurgence and Heartland 🫠

[tall coral]

hi

[clear drum]

i really wish the bulwark and invisible glitches be fixed asap

dz is unplayable

[broken plume]

speaking of the dz, I'm playing through on my hardcore agent and just recruited the dz person. Are the 1st quests into each dz solo only or was I just lucky on my 1st agent

[molten spire]

The recon missions are all solo only, although I have no idea if Hardcore doesn't have the change they implemented where it autocompletes

[broken plume]

autocompletes?

[low flame]

If you complete those missions on one character, they will automatically be completed on another. This applies to hardcore characters

[broken plume]

That's dumb... I remember there being little mini-stories in each one but it's been too long. Oh well I guess

[low flame]

Just gotta find a video of it on youtube I guess, that’s what I did

[molten spire]

More to the point, they changed it at some point to simply complete after you use the terminal to open the DZ gates. There's no more venturing in to see the ECHO

[bitter wraith]

Surely rng cant be this bad? Been farming for more than 15 hours now across the last week or so and i still have no sleipnr

[reef reef]

wanna know why

sleipnr, the named mg5 with perfect frenzy, cant drop. purely a crafted weapon

its all in the spreadsheet

[smoky stag]

also, dont recalibrate the 2 core attributes if they are low
either recraft or optimize

[bitter wraith]

Bruh. But then the stats will be trash

[reef reef]

well it cant drop so get to crafting then optimize it

[misty fern]

Hi, I've completed the campaign and im lvl 40 and I don't know what build to start with. Can I get some recommendations please?

[broken plume]

What's your playstyle?

[quick wolf]

Toxic CC build is fun.

EP Fire Chem + Vile Mask.

[bitter wraith]

F i guess lmao

[bitter wraith]

If youve ever used striker in div 1 then use striker. Foundry bulwark is op for armour and striker/heartbreaker also fun to use

[misty fern]

I usually play on the offence but support others when i'm with them

[broken plume]

Offense can be super easy, simple red cores with Crit hit chance and crit hit damage is the most basic. I've started running Hunter's Fury for one of my offense builds which is a lot of fun but does require you to get up close with the enemies. I've also heard Umbra is pretty good as well

[misty fern]

I haven't played div 1

[misty fern]

ooo okay, i think i need to get more use to the game before i run a hunter's fury build

[broken plume]

Support I wanna say Future Initiative but I don't have a lot of experience with it... It was my slap together healer build. If I'm running yellow cores, I'm usually running Rigger since I can have almost 100% up time on my sniper turret and striker drone

[bitter wraith]

Hmm depends if you want tank, dps or skill build

[misty fern]

This has confused me😂

[low flame]

It’s basically saying do you want to kill enemies as fast as possible, be able to take lots of damage before dying, or have your skills do all the killing for you

[quick wolf]

FI is considered BiS for healing. It's often used by a majority of people playing a heal role. There's other builds out there, but FI is pretty high up there.

[misty fern]

kill enemies as fast as possible as well as taking damage before dying

[bitter wraith]

Basically it depends if you want to have a load of armour, do a f-ton of damage but die very quickly if you dont use cover or drop your skills and let them do the work

[bitter wraith]

This 💯

What they said lol

[fervent berry]

Support-wise, Galvanize is still a thing, no?

[smoky stag]

run and gun CQB

[bitter wraith]

36 steel so 72 or 108 steel hmm thats kinda expensive

For 2 or 3 sleipnrs when i onoy want one

[misty fern]

what's run and gun cqb?

[quick wolf]

Close Quarters Battle.

[smoky stag]

errr just a type of build/gameplay encouraging mobility and close quarters combat

[quick wolf]

Basically any build that uses SMGs and Shotguns.

[broken plume]

If you get lucky enough through legacy caches (or I've heard it can drop in the DZ but good f'in luck with the DZ) system corruption is pretty damn good too, especially if you run the Momento Backpack and Intimidate on your chest

[misty fern]

Thanks

[misty fern]

Ahh alright

so between run and gun and umbra which is easier to start with and farm?

[broken plume]

Umbra, you get it just from progressing the season pass

[smoky stag]

Hunters Fury, Heartbreaker, or Negotiators.
I dont like umbra because it requires being in cover

forgot strikers

so strikers as well

[low flame]

I’d say umbra 100% maybe it’s just because I’m biased but that increased rate of fire, critical hit damage, and armor regen in cover? That is just perfect to me. Stay in cover for a few seconds, pop out for some easy kills, pop back in to heal and regain stacks

[quick wolf]

There's also the Glass Cannon Red DPS build, which is a lot of fun to use but has a major skill ceiling because of Glass Cannon.
However, it's an extremely fun and rewarding build to play given its versatile nature with just about any gun. And the use of Coyote's Mask makes it a great addition for group play.

[misty fern]

Alright thank you so much for help guys

[bitter wraith]

Recaalibrate 8% DTTOOC to maximum (12%?) Or recal 8% mag size to 6% DTA. So basically 6% DTA bonus or 4% DTTOOC bonus?

I can only choose one without using loads of materials

[quick wolf]

DTTOOC always. Not every enemy will have armor, but almost every enemy will always be out of cover.

[smoky stag]

never recal cores

[quick wolf]

And no, the armor on heavies and warhounds is not the same as you'd think, so DtA doesn't even apply there.

[bitter wraith]

And lose the 6% DTA?

[bitter wraith]

Why? Theres 2 cores 1 attribute

[smoky stag]

because on named guns, the 2 cores and the talent dont/cant be changed anyway to something else. so for the sleipnir you can reroll the 3rd to DTA, DTH, crit or ROF as needed and just opti the rest

[quick wolf]

It highly depends on the build and gun being used, but I'd say that the general priority should be something like DTOC > CHC > CHD > DTA > etc...

^ Not exact, but you get the Idea.

[quick wolf]

You can't change a weapon's native attributes period. Those are locked regardless of the gun being recalibrated. Only the 3rd attribute and talent can be swapped for something else.

[bitter wraith]

Dont even have enough credits ☠️

[smoky stag]

thats exactly my point tho. you cant change them anyway to something better as there is none. you cant change the talent on a named with perfect talent too. so reroll only the 3rd/attribute

[bitter wraith]

I base which should be recaled on which would take more materials which means the higher % needed would take more materials

[timber hatch]

Optimize the dtooc and change the 3rd stat

[quick wolf]

With how often DTOC is put on weapons, this actually makes me really curious on how much Massive would have to nerf the % by before the attribute is on par with every other attribute, lmao.

[bitter wraith]

But thats 4% to be optimized and 6% to be recaled easily

Wait nvm wtf that actually makes sense lmao

facepalms

The day we get more loadout slots is the day i go crazy with making builds

[timber hatch]

Even if it was more you'd want to recal the 3rd slot

Same

I don't need more stash space but at least give me more load out slots lol

[bitter wraith]

But wouldnt you optimize whichever will use up less materials? So 4% of something is better to optimize and recal the 8% of something else (not actual scenario)

[quick wolf]

I don't even have the space for more loadouts. I'm collecting at least 1 of every weapon in the game and my Stash is at like 270+/300 while my Inventory is 80+/150.

[timber hatch]

That second slot will always be dtooc. The third slot you want to be 100% right if it's something your going to invest a bunch of optimizing materials into

[smoky stag]

no. you optimize that which you dont need to reroll

[bitter wraith]

So DTTOOC is apprently better for the reasons stated so that means i could recal that (2nd core attribute) and ignore the 3rd slot which would stay at 8% mag size

[smoky stag]

if i was farming for a carbine 7 with dttoc and dropped one with 1% dttoc, id reroll the talent and opti everything else

[quick wolf]

Sleipner is the MG5 right? I don't think the high rpm LMGs benefit as much from RoF so you could probably use that third slot for CHD.

Mag Size isn't that great. Higher Mag Size is not equal to bigger DPS.

[smoky stag]

since LMGs already have dttooc natively, for this one you can do better with something else like crit as an example

[quick wolf]

That mag size could be rerolled to CHD for more damage per bullet instead of just more bullet.

[bitter wraith]

But why thats means you have to optimize 11% of DTTOOC which is like 120+ field recon and god knows how many tactical assessments 💀

[smoky stag]

eh theyre easy to acquire

[quick wolf]

Yeah.... Doom I would have thrown that shit away to be honest.

[smoky stag]

id just recraft til i get another tbh

[quick wolf]

I'll accept low attributes, but not that low. Professionals have standards.

[smoky stag]

was lucky to get 2 godrolled ones from crafting tho so.. hehe

[smoky stag]

at an shd in the upper thousands with plenty of points to use on mats, godrolls on drops become less important than the correct rolls

[novel laurel]

Pretty much what I did, mine had 6.5ish and nothing maxed

I used my mats

[bitter wraith]

Thats like 100+ field recon though which is a LOT

[novel laurel]

Not really

You get something like 8-12 from CPs

[bitter wraith]

So honest question: recal DTTOOC for an extra 4% of that attribute or optimize it AND recal mag size for something good such as 6% DTA?

[bitter wraith]

4

[novel laurel]

Really?

I'm always maxed out lol

[quick wolf]

Also instead of just hearing us regurgitate "trust me this is what you want" mentality, the reason why DTOC is best in slot is because it's something anyone running any build can benefit from.
In addition, DTOC is it's own damage source separate from others and is calculated multiplicatively which = bigger ooga booga number, plus the fact that there's very few sources of items that offer it.
There's a reason you want it on every gun.

[smoky stag]

cough cough 10th floor summit

[novel laurel]

Shhh

[novel laurel]

I'm assuming it's an LMG which means you'd probably want ROF or chc

[quick wolf]

It's for Sleipner.

[smoky stag]

its a sleipnir. i think chd would be the way to go

[bitter wraith]

DTTOOC is staying on that gun. What im asking is should i save myself the time and materials and 'lose' the third attributte which is 8% mag size and recal the second core from like 8% or so DTOC to maximum DTOC?

[novel laurel]

Yea or chd

It depends on the build really

[quick wolf]

I personally don't find mag size to be important.

[novel laurel]

Don't keep mag size unless you intend on eventually farming for another

[smoky stag]

chd > mag size on lmg

[bitter wraith]

True patriot at least 4 blues possibly even 6.

[novel laurel]

Crit build?

[quick wolf]

I'd rather go for an attribute that actually increases my DPS instead of the amount of bullets in a gun that already holds a lot of bullets.

[fervent berry]

RoF?

[novel laurel]

Mag size is out classed by a lot of options

[bitter wraith]

This means i would optimize the DTOC. Optimixe DTOC for 4% more or put maxed DTA or maxed CHD on the third slot?

[novel laurel]

Rate of fire

[novel laurel]

Yes

[quick wolf]

RoF only really benefits the lower RPM LMGs no? Or does the High RPM LMGs make good use of it too?

[smoky stag]

CHD on 3rd
opti mats are ez

[fervent berry]

ik, I mean that's what would be better for DPS, no?

[novel laurel]

ROF is beneficial on everything

It's always a good dps increase, it's just normally 3rd attribute is always Dtooc and lmgs are the exception

[quick wolf]

I can see RoF only making vector reloads worse. lmao.

[novel laurel]

You would want Dtooc on vector

[fervent berry]

RoF Vector is just plain ridiculously nuts

[novel laurel]

Lmgs I mean benefit from rof because they always have Dtooc

[quick wolf]

Not as nuts as a Vector during Golden Bullet.

[fervent berry]

Or Guardians

[novel laurel]

Chc/chd, rof and DTA are all good options for lmgs it depends on what you need

[quick wolf]

Ammo count can't even keep up anymore at that rpm.

[novel laurel]

Personally DTA is overrated on lmgs

Most people will run contractors with lmgs and that's about the point your value of the DTA starts dropping

[bitter wraith]

Ok then, which is better: 4% MORE DTTOOC so thats 4% on top of what i already have OR 12% extra crit damage? If you say 12% crit damage then i will have to optimize 4% worth of the second slot

[quick wolf]

Considering that I'm amassing a large stockpile of weapons, I just slap DTOC on everything and CHD on LMGs to make it easier for myself and call it a day.

[bitter wraith]

Plus this also includes a vector sbr so rip my X button

[novel laurel]

Reroll the third attribute otherwise the gun is a waste

[novel laurel]

Good way to do it

[smoky stag]

one of the reasons i rolled the 3rd on my sleipnir instead of the cores is because i had no idea which was more beneficial in practice. Was it DTA or was it CHD? so i was able to change that attribute as necessary

[bitter wraith]

Ill do this now otherwise ill end up doing something wrong and wasting the decent roll

[quick wolf]

8% DTOC + 12% CHD/ROF > 8% DTOC + 8% Mag Size

[bitter wraith]

12% lmg damage, 8% DTTOOC, 8% mag size. What should the third one be?

[quick wolf]

CHD or RoF.

[smoky stag]

i used to have DTA on my sleipnir then i realized i only used it for enemies like roosevelt boss drones or other enemies that dont have armor bars so i used chd moving forward

[novel laurel]

Chc/chd or rof

You can always change it later so pick one and figure out what you like

[bitter wraith]

This is a 6 blue core build which one?

[novel laurel]

are you using a ceska piece?

[smoky stag]

why 6 blues tho?
on a tp...

[quick wolf]

I wouldn't go for CHC on LMGs. They only max out to 9.5% when you can squeeze that extra .5% from mods. Unless you are excessively starved of CHC attributes on gear.

[bitter wraith]

No

[novel laurel]

I'm assuming his watch isn't maxed and he's using a gearset

He'll need the chc

[bitter wraith]

Idk its just the build