td2-general-chat

[frozen meadow]

I don't like relying on chance

[sleek drift]

You still crit on headshots

[frozen meadow]

I know

[sleek drift]

Most of the time anyways

[frozen meadow]

But it's not a reliance

[tender notch]

chance doesnt matter since ON AVERAGE chd stacking is more dps then lowering chd for HSD in said build.

[frozen meadow]

Depends how accurate you are

[sleek drift]

K riddle me this, in a straight fight, where you're landing headshots and both gearsets are optimized, what'll beam a target harder when the dmg is respectfully specced, hsd or chd?

I know certain targets are immune to hsd

[frozen meadow]

Depends on your crit luck

[sleek drift]

Let's assume that it's pretty solid

[frozen meadow]

So a literal 60%

[sleek drift]

Like on average you'll crit the majority of the time

[tender notch]

crit luck doesnt matter. you do the math for the average.

[frozen meadow]

Crit luck does matter lol

[tender notch]

nope, re-read above

[frozen meadow]

Average is never the exact amount

Im not estimating here

[tender notch]

wow... 🤦

[low lily]

Maybe take it in dm-s m'kay

[sleek drift]

doesn't do nitty gritty math? fuckin casual

[tender notch]

chill there

[frozen meadow]

If you have 100% headshot accuracy I'd say it would benefit to go for hs instead of crits

[tender notch]

well doh of course

[frozen meadow]

Glad we can agree

👍

[sleek drift]

I'm asking for the sake of a hypothetical; I know PvP is completely different and arbitrary, but both players have perfect headshots, both are running half shields, one is stacking hsd and the other chd / chc

who'll beam the other first

[frozen meadow]

Headshot would win

[sleek drift]

K, that's what I wanted to know

[tender notch]

if you never miss then Full HSD builds out DPS full chd builds any day, on targets with heads.

[sleek drift]

Been wanting to put one together

[frozen meadow]

That's why I run hsd over chd/chc, about 80-90% of my kills are headshots

[sleek drift]

How do you counter non-head enemies

[frozen meadow]

Such as?

[sleek drift]

dogs

drones

[frozen meadow]

Ravenous

Drones aren't a problem lawl

[sleek drift]

Ravenous and what else

[warm minnow]

heavies?

[sleek drift]

Is that just your backup

[frozen meadow]

Yeah

[frozen meadow]

They do have a head

[sleek drift]

Don't the helmets have some resistance to it till you pop it?

[warm minnow]

armor plates tho

[frozen meadow]

All their armour does

[timber hatch]

also rav for heavies

[sleek drift]

I haven't run hsd builds, so i'm actually asking

[warm minnow]

oh right

[timber hatch]

or demo fly

[frozen meadow]

Right forgot rav helps against heavies too, thanks raucey

[timber hatch]

or DCH the helmet and shoot the head

[sleek drift]

Guess I've got some more shit to put on my list of shinies

[frozen meadow]

I just beam for the head and let the stacks rack up on striker

xD also striker is better for HSD

Since you have less attribute space

[timber hatch]

99% of the time though, just go crit builds unless your specifically making a HSD build

[frozen meadow]

I go for HSD when running AR

[timber hatch]

I know, we've been over this lol. If you want to run some missions and compare Im always down

[frozen meadow]

I'm super duper busy nowadays

[sleek drift]

life haver

[frozen meadow]

I have work and school

[tender notch]

its still better as crit build since ACS stacking.

[frozen meadow]

Depends how close you are

xD

[tender notch]

i mean, you should be close.. for ACS stacking

[frozen meadow]

And depends on the weapon since you don't need an ACS to stack

[frozen meadow]

Then just get headshots at that point

[crystal copper]

Best smg is mpx right?

[tender notch]

one of the best yes

[sleek drift]

I like it over vector

[frozen meadow]

I hate all smgs

[crystal copper]

I have dark snow

[frozen meadow]

Dark winter*

[tender notch]

you dont need it BUT if you want strikers to be broken dps you do need ACS.

[sleek drift]

So do I, still use my god rolled MPX

[frozen meadow]

I mean it's still broken regardless tbh

[tender notch]

MPX, banshee, MP5 are the top smgs.

[crystal copper]

Cause my build

It have damage to shotguna and smgs

[frozen meadow]

Is there an SMG called banshee..?

[sleek drift]

Ya, HF

[crystal copper]

So im looking best smg

[sleek drift]

I run MPX / Scorpio

[crystal copper]

I have dark winter im try to darm.mpx

[crystal copper]

I have scorpii

[sleek drift]

Scorpio is ❤️

[crystal copper]

2 scorpio

[frozen meadow]

Scorpio cringe

[crystal copper]

But not max

[frozen meadow]

Lefty better smh smh

[sleek drift]

cry

[tender notch]

Vectors are strong on challenging and lower. but fall off a cliff on heroic + compared to other smgs.

[frozen meadow]

Lefty + fire nade + mad bomber

[sleek drift]

they brrrrrt too quick for me

[gusty dove]

yup. what i noticed with dark winter

[golden summit]

unwavering vector though

[sleek drift]

i've scrapped every lefty i've dropped and i've had way too many drop

[golden summit]

vector scales ridiculously hard with unwavering buff

[frozen meadow]

I love the lefty

[sleek drift]

big xd

[frozen meadow]

It does absolutely amazing in raids + CD

[gusty dove]

lefty was fun in pts now its ehh

[sleek drift]

haven't touched it tbh

[frozen meadow]

I still like it

That 40% plus the fire nade then with added status effect, it works as CC with an added debuff

Then spam em with the go-bag

[cinder cloud]

wtf did they do to my closer chest...

[sleek drift]

farm a new one lul

[cinder cloud]

this is bullshit

[timber hatch]

It's so broken in raids, I don't even know how you would balance it without completely changing it

[sleek drift]

I'm curious to see if my AR stats were left where they were or if they're fukt

[frozen meadow]

It really is

And in CD where you can just set every single fucking hunter on fire

For like 5 seconds at a time

[cinder cloud]

ok so it seems it happened to other people

[frozen meadow]

Oh the hunters are jamming my skills? Nah mate u ablaze

[cinder cloud]

so they're gonna revert everyone's gear back to how it was right?

[silent nymph]

just reached tier 6 in polarity in just half an hour i think

[sleek drift]

My understanding is your closer is fucked and you need a new one

[cinder cloud]

.....

[delicate ginkgo]

No they are not

[sleek drift]

the AR / rifle stat thing was fixed and evidently some were complaining that they weren't where the stats were originally

[gusty dove]

my closer pieces are fine 😂

[cinder cloud]

if they don't that's pretty disgusting...

[dire sundial]

Can you explain further? I am curious

[delicate ginkgo]

They implemented the fix they are going to do. Unfortunately it’s not what we wanted but it is what it is

[cinder cloud]

if they can put ar damage back, they can fix everyones chest piece they broke...

[sleek drift]

Lemme log in and see if my police m4 / famas were put back to their respective 15%

[fading orchid]

what was the 4.41 gb update for?

[delicate ginkgo]

Good luck with that argument lol

[cinder cloud]

i'm starting to see why people run around using exploits in this game care free now

[sleek drift]

exploiting is human nature

you'll always have someone taking path of least resistance and finding a way to make a task easier

[cinder cloud]

😦

[fading orchid]

that's everywhere, doesn't mater the game or the place. 🤣

[cinder cloud]

this is gonna be the start of my villain arc

[sleek drift]

based

[remote lynx]

Hello howz teh game after the update?

[sleek drift]

bite the apple

[cinder cloud]

that took nearly 3 hours of countdown to get an all red

[cinder cloud]

disgusting

[remote lynx]

really? that bad?

[cinder cloud]

my agent got violated

[sleek drift]

rogue agents raided your stash

[remote lynx]

I saw a YT video about ppl got their All red godrolled pieces screwed up after the patch

[cinder cloud]

yep, everyones god rolled closer is destroyed now

[remote lynx]

So now we have to re-farm closer?

[cinder cloud]

in all honesty, if this happens in another game, the devs are supposed to fix it

so if this is like other games, we should be getting our stuff back by the week >>

[remote lynx]

Yes i play a free 2 play game when it does happen they release a hotfix the same day

[cinder cloud]

it is 1 core change after all...

[sleek drift]

Praise be, my ARs are back where they should be

[cinder cloud]

this is why i'm not mad yet, ubisoft has to do the right thing right?

[crystal copper]

Guys

I have question

[remote lynx]

Man i want to grind the new apparel, cuz i missed the last one. im jealous of ppl with the lightning sneakers ;_;

[crystal copper]

Mpx talents

Killer is good?

[sleek drift]

I use fast hands

[crystal copper]

Tactical assessment i can found it in summit right?

[gusty dove]

wonder if it means dz targeted loot is fixed too seeing as f10 got a silent nerf, someone under morten's tweet said dz's loot is fixed 🤔

[sleek drift]

from a cache or a boss kill, i usually do bounties for them

[hybrid ore]

Strained is probably the best "overall" choice, very hard to beat it in sheer usage.

[half edge]

I’m a bit new to div 2 is their a way to farm exotics ?

[mighty wedge]

anyone got a god tier armor regen build to link me?

[frozen meadow]

fire grenades trigger lefty

stack status effects and the fire lasts longer

[gilded perch]

as far as I know, now the targeting loot in dz are not contaminated and dont need to extract

[frozen meadow]

then run mad bomber to cook the grenades and increase the radius of them

then with acosta's go-bag you can increase the number of grenades you can carry

[novel laurel]

No it’s still contaminated as far as prepatch. Have you been in dz this patch?

[frozen meadow]

all of these things allow you to CC the CD extraction without needing skills

[fiery temple]

intresting update ...
the closer got there 2nd stat back .. but seemes its not the ones meany of us lost
i cant actualy start missions..
some script seemes to be still broken

and we are still crashing

[frozen meadow]

which is very helpful of course, since you get jammed so often lol

[tender notch]

wait so DZ target loot was fixed? (now dropping)?

[novel laurel]

I’m testing it right now, I will let you know shortly

[novel laurel]

He was saying dz loot wasn’t contaminated and you didn’t have to extract it

[tender notch]

perfect

[crystal copper]

Guys is worth to enter clan?

I feel so weird when i enter any clans

[dire sundial]

Cool. Will try

[novel laurel]

Just ran a monument at dz west and got a fenris mask from the boss

[frozen meadow]

i was told pulse also proccs it, but i have my doubts

[gilded perch]

yes

[novel laurel]

It had the fenris symbol on the tower of loot like it’s targeted

[novel laurel]

So why are you making stuff up?

[gilded perch]

the targeted loot drop as non-contaminated, and dont need to extract, i cant post image here but i can send you if you want

but one thing i am not sure that is, for example gift, if i drop gift at providence dz, it 100% non-contaminated, or still have chance that need to extract because drop as "backpack" loot pool

[gilded perch]

my yes mean "yes, i have been in dz this patch"

[novel laurel]

Yep just checked

You are right, targeted loot is fixed, but it’s now dropping non contaminated

[gusty dove]

so less chance of losing it now by a rogue agent?

[novel laurel]

Yep

[gilded perch]

may i send you the capture by private message to prove?

[novel laurel]

Your fine I just tested it myself

[frozen meadow]

Time to wait for providence targeted

[gusty dove]

actually, it can still be stolen or only the contaminated items?

[frozen meadow]

It can't

[gilded perch]

not sure but it higher chance, can't 100% prove those targeted loot drop as targeted loot pool

is there any chance like gift drop as backpack in providence dz? need time to check

[frozen meadow]

It should

[jagged prism]

dz south

[gilded perch]

because i just rob a yaahl backpack at south dz, now south dz is backpack, but the yaahl backpack is contaminated

so, i cant confirm it

[frozen meadow]

skill issue

[novel laurel]

I think only mob drops aren’t contaminated

If they get it as a reward or from a crate I think it’s still contaminated

[tender wave]

Anyone test if busy little bee is still op? Since other changes haven't made the patch notes

[jagged prism]

contaminated means you have to extract otherwise it just goes into your inventory

[gilded perch]

but if that yaahl is not contaminated, it wont drop when the player is dead cause they already own it

[gusty dove]

o shit, makes farming yaahl easier now

[jagged prism]

yahl or system corruption really XD

or any other DZ exclusive gear/weapon

[tender wave]

Aww, that's going to make people very happy who still need dz exclusives but hate pvp

[rich shadow]

is countdown giving less loot after this patch?

[gusty dove]

i've been wanting to make a haz/pulse res build with yaahl but because of farming it it was annoying

[winter relic]

fucked up my closer chest.. when i looked after they "fixed" it, it has different stats all together, gotta love these morons at ubi

[jagged prism]

couldn't say, rarely ever run countdown

[gilded perch]

easier like 0.001%, yaahl and sys have no their targeted loot, you can only have higher chance get them with backpack, gloves loot etc..

[frozen meadow]

Heroic CD runs give 40-50 items per

[novel laurel]

No, it has to be the targeted loot to not be contaminated

[frozen meadow]

How many items are you getting per run

[tender wave]

Yeah all Closer chests have random rolls now, get back to farming!

[gusty dove]

yikes :/

[rich shadow]

not sure, but less than usual on that last run. Needs more testing. I just wondered how others were seeing it

[gilded perch]

it reture my issue, why the yaahl backpack is contaminated in south dz

[winter relic]

maybe, but even if you get a piece you want they could take it and change it or just fuck it up all together and tell you "oops, nothing we can do, sorry not sorry"

[novel laurel]

If it’s a reward for completing a landmark it’s still contaminated

Only mob drops are not contaminated

[jagged prism]

so landmark and containers will still be contaminated?

[novel laurel]

Haven’t tested containers

[gilded perch]

you have a point, it possible, but still need more sample to prove

[novel laurel]

But landmark rewards are, the drops from mobs are not contaminated

[novel laurel]

Yes I agree, I got a fenris chest from completing a landmark and it was contaminated but that’s the only time I’ve gotten targeted loot from completion

[astral jacinth]

They can’t and never will

[reef reef]

Because crashes arent easy to fix. Its not like they can go in and set crashing to no.

[frozen meadow]

I don't crash

No lol

I'm not lying

[novel laurel]

I very rarely crash

[frozen meadow]

I've only crashed once since TU16

[novel laurel]

Just buy a PS5

[desert crystal]

you just run a verify after evey update

[novel laurel]

“Skill issue”

[frozen meadow]

I didn't do any of that

[tender notch]

@novel laurel i just realized, all this loot that is now "not contaminated" means nerf DZ money lol

[gilded perch]

yes and it connect with second problem, it's 100% brand loot pool or it have chance from chest loot pool

[novel laurel]

Oh yea that’s an L if you use dz credits

[desert crystal]

didnt you

[frozen meadow]

I just play the game normally and never crash

No weird shenans

[novel laurel]

I’m going to gym now, I’ll test it more with backpack targeted loot later

[frozen meadow]

That might be your PC tbh

[reef reef]

They've been working on it for a long time, its not easy to fix a crash this elusive. Multiple fixes have been put out from Ubisoft. Its not easy fixing this kinda thing.

[frozen meadow]

That's irrelevant

Lol

[novel laurel]

You should engineer a computer that doesn’t crash

[desert crystal]

i thought it was fixed in tu16

[frozen meadow]

I introduce to you, the windows computer

The crashing is a feature, not a bug

[reef reef]

If you can find the source of the crashing, mr computer engineer, send it over to ubisoft.

[novel laurel]

It just works

[gusty dove]

would hope they dont nerf that

[frozen meadow]

They technically dod

[novel laurel]

We all loved that E3 presentation🤣

Lmao

[gilded perch]

the trap over 2 years and not fix yet, just wait and crash more lmao

[reef reef]

Lmao

[cobalt bone]

They fixed floor 10?

[novel laurel]

Aspect dislikes everyone equally

[frozen meadow]

Cantu, honestly, nobody really cares if you have a degree in CE or not

[novel laurel]

Yes they did

[cobalt bone]

Cool

[reef reef]

glad someone understands

[gilded perch]

they just delete the xp when 10f finish

[frozen meadow]

Lol

Did they wipe player data like the DPS exploit or nah

[desert crystal]

how does the game no then if its your first clear or not#

[tender wave]

Magic

[sleek drift]

Eevee, you in DZ rn?

[frozen meadow]

I'm in math class, wanna help me?

[sleek drift]

No lol

[summer cobalt]

im having crashes with 5900X + 6900XT

[frozen meadow]

k

[sleek drift]

I hate math

[pale holly]

i crashed now.

[summer cobalt]

and no another games have causing like this

[frozen meadow]

I'm going into engineering xD

[sleek drift]

Have fun

[frozen meadow]

I won't 😛

[sleek drift]

Shit makes my head hurt

[summer cobalt]

i dont see anything funny here

[frozen meadow]

Wtf

Why tho

What did I do

[mighty wedge]

sitting in a full group for countdown, watching the group leader moaning in the chat for someone to start.. like "gogogo start it damn it"

bruh

[frozen meadow]

Prolly doesn't realize he's lead

[mighty wedge]

yea no kidding

[frozen meadow]

Lol

[summer cobalt]

press the voice chat key mate

then tell him that he needs to start

[tender wave]

You said you weren't going to enjoy engineering, so clearly you should delete the game. The logic is impeccable.

[frozen meadow]

Nobody enjoys engineering, literally

[gusty dove]

lmaoo

[tender wave]

Or maybe you should delete it because you don't crash?

[gusty dove]

also, why do engineering if you dont like it?

[frozen meadow]

Yeah I'm not sure why I need to delete the game suddenly

[frozen meadow]

It's a joke because engineering school is hard af

[gusty dove]

ah

[frozen meadow]

Lol

[spark junco]

Holy crap is it polarity time already x.x

[frozen meadow]

It is?

Oof

[tender wave]

Aww, polarity is going to play hell with busy little bee stacks

[frozen meadow]

Beebeebee

[rotund osprey]

XD they really fixed the issues with hiding your spec weapons they just straight removed the function

[frozen meadow]

Lol

[tender wave]

It was in two different places, and the settings interacted weirdly, so maybe they just removed one of them?

[rotund osprey]

gameplay setting is gone idk if theres another place the setting could be

[frozen meadow]

Specialization selection menu has it

[winter radish]

It's in the inventory menu where you can also hide/show your mask

[tender wave]

Check inventory options (same place you hide/show mask)

[mighty wedge]

there's one thing i always wondered about.. the damage bonus "ground control" from future initiative set.. it reads "increases you and your .... when at full armor". so does that buff apply to everyone when MY armor is full or is it for each person, their armor full = buffed?

[frozen meadow]

Every person individually

[sleek drift]

omg memento bp just rekt a rogue

[rotund osprey]

ah found it they should've just left the gameplay setting and not added the weird button in inventory

im gonna forget i did it and assume its a bug when i come back in three weeks XD

[gusty dove]

heroic?

[frozen meadow]

I really badly want a water gun in this game

[gilded perch]

engineering is fine, it just have no too many girl study it

you can see a class of engineering, all boys

[frozen meadow]

Engineer is fine, engineering school is hell

[gusty dove]

closest you can get is the doctor home

[frozen meadow]

I know D:

[frozen lily]

is floor 10 even sitll worth it?

[frozen meadow]

No

[gusty dove]

f10 is busted

[gilded perch]

yea it's boring, i quit it

[frozen meadow]

Lol

[tender wave]

You can still run it if you want, for fun. You just won't get any rewards after the first time

[frozen lily]

damn.....

[rotund osprey]

ah so they fixed floor 10

[gusty dove]

yes

[tender wave]

Maybe try floor 11, or even 12! Variety is the spice of life

Going to be fun watching #lfg-pc as the news slowly filters through

[rotund osprey]

ah well if thats the case i've got nothing to do for 3 weeks

[frozen meadow]

Looks like it instantaneously died

[frozen meadow]

Countdown, raids, dz, conflict, legendary missions...

[gusty dove]

onto dz i guess then 😂

[pliant sentinel]

dz loot is bugged

[sleek drift]

come to dz south

[rotund osprey]

im a raid lead for a server, countdown is a waste of time, dz hackers, conflict hackers, and legendary is impossible to get a crew together for XD

[frozen meadow]

Countdown is a waste of time how

How is CD a waste but F10 isn't

[gusty dove]

it's fixed somewhat i heard

[rotund osprey]

people never wanna stay til the end so you end up losing all your work

and the drop rates are fine for normal gear but you can't farm exotics like you used to

[frozen meadow]

That doesn't happen what

[scenic wraith]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

[frozen meadow]

I run CD all the time that ain't true lol

[tender wave]

Lots of work for shepherds recently, seems to be a lot of new players working through the story

[rotund osprey]

do you run heroic every time

[frozen meadow]

Yes

[azure lintel]

Devs: Are exotic COMPONENTS at control points never being implemented but being in the TU 16 (not 16.1, 16) patch notes ever going to be addressed?

[rotund osprey]

idk i've had maybe 5 completions out of 20 runs sooo

[frozen meadow]

You could get better and carry then

[rotund osprey]

its not my fault half the team runs into a hunter and dies XD

[scenic wraith]

😆

[tender wave]

How to get better without floor 10 though? All progress is stalled!

[frozen meadow]

Then cc

[frozen meadow]

Countdown

Or summit normally

[tender wave]

It was sarcasm

[frozen meadow]

Ah

Sorry couldn't tell

[tender wave]

Fair

[rotund osprey]

Well thats the thing im not working on leveling until the apparel update now since theres not point in bothering level atm im over level 1300 so its not like i need em for anything

[frozen meadow]

You could max out proficiency

[azure lintel]

I kind of think they should never put dates on apparel events as long as this team is working on the game.

just Soon™ it

[rotund osprey]

cause i'll get 40 level from that alone, and proficiency is pointless when everyone already has it maxed in dz where i try to level up and i can run average missions solo for whatever i need now

[frozen meadow]

Are you looking for a reason not to play this game lol

[rotund osprey]

its slow but its faster than summit or countdown now

[frozen meadow]

I think countdown is still efficient

The easiest way to get shd levels is just to speedrun DUA legendary

Or Lincoln memorial

[rotund osprey]

you act like im a noob who just started XD i've been playing this game too much and was just excited and have hit a snag with the delay so im just unsure what to do i've done everything i wanted to besides do the season pass but that im waiting before i spend more money on the game

[frozen meadow]

Nah mate I get that

I'm just tryna give you things to keep ya busy

[rotund osprey]

i gotcha

[frozen meadow]

No offense

[rotund osprey]

you're good

[novel laurel]

Expertise and watch is getting removed from non invaded dz

[rotund osprey]

sorry for talking like a stick in the mud its been a terrible year and i use any upcoming content to try to calm myself while im getting something comparable to a life going again

[novel laurel]

All good man, keep up the grind

[frozen meadow]

No worries, I get that. Whatever makes you happy 💗

[tropic compass]

So they finally fixed the league timers

And gave manning zoo a reasonable timer

[rotund osprey]

did they fix the darpa lab to be alittle more reasonable?

[tropic compass]

Nah still 15 min

[gilded perch]

@novel laurel dude i think those dz drop are from brand poor and mask,chest etc. pool randomly, i kill a named mob, then it drop two backpack, one of them are contaminated

[rotund osprey]

ok that one was a pain for a solo player

[tropic compass]

But darpa can be done faster with a skill build and jammer for the dogs

[rotund osprey]

not if your solo cause you lose dmg you need to wipe the other ads

it wasn't the dogs that wasted my time it was infinitely cover sitting ads XD

[tranquil pollen]

Anyone know why some of my exotic guns aren’t appearing on the gun wall at the White House gun range? Is it a bug?

[rotund osprey]

some are in new yorks gun wall

[tropic compass]

Jammer + vile

[tranquil pollen]

Oh ok great thanks

@rotund osprey

[novel laurel]

I’m guessing you can get drops that are targeted loot, but they aren’t technically dropped from targeted loot?

[rotund osprey]

hmm i would've thought even with vile it may not be quite fast enough just due to skill times and ads sitting in cover forever

[novel laurel]

So they are contaminated

[stone wind]

Theatre has a really nice CM1A with DooT

[gilded perch]

i guess it is

for example a fenris chest, even you drop it at fenris dz, it can come from fenris loot pool (no contaminated) , or chest loot pool (contaminated)

[desert plume]

Hello. Can you guys purchase with textiles now?

[hybrid ore]

Yep, Textiles were fixed in today's Patch.

[desert plume]

I'm having some issues with this update, seems doesn't work for me. I can't purchase with textiles and this is still blurry for me

*Fixed an issue where the Season Pass for Season 10: Price of Power was blurry. *

[novel laurel]

Yea I think so

[desert plume]

It's still blurry for me

It seems that I downloaded patch for some other game, idk if some other guy facing the same issues. Also can someone take a snap from umbra gear?

Fixed an issue where Dye slots weren’t functional on gear pieces from the Umbra Initiative Gear Set What this fixe's ?

I don't have this as well. Idk what's going on

[gusty dove]

it's all still fucked, think they still gotta throw that patch in

[desert plume]

I'm not kidding man, it seems I'm not getting the fixes they wrote

I swear, nothing works for me

[feral pagoda]

I'm salty af about the Closer Chest pieces being screwed

[desert plume]

Assault Rifle/Rifle damage is okay for me, close chest piece got attribute back, but umbra gear is still fucked for me, and image is still blurry, I cant purchase with textiles and so on

[lucid solar]

They don't even have the perfect overclock issue on the known issues. Gives same CDR as basic overclock. (Will be OP if it is working tho, needs reduced imo)

[tender dome]

Has anyone tried floor ten (except floor 10) like 20,30 etc

[feral pagoda]

Pretty sure they patched it for all 10 Floor intervals

[desert plume]

Floor 10 is still under investigation

[tender dome]

It’s not

[desert plume]

On Trello and it has medium priority

[tender dome]

It’s been patched

Today

[desert plume]

Whut really?

[tender dome]

Yh

[desert plume]

Shitballz

[tender dome]

they stealth patched it

[desert plume]

Can't belive it.. They already did that loool

But other issues are still there okok

That makes sense suuure

[azure lintel]

RIP Floor 10 Farming

[desert plume]

I am sorry for being like this, but for me this is dissapointed. Not only because of floor 10, it seems that umbra gear is still not fixed, closer chest piece is fucked and list still goes on...

[brisk bridge]

I crossed SHD 1500. Yay!

[desert plume]

As a huge Division fan this is disappointment for me

[desert plume]

I'm on SHD 1113

[azure lintel]

Now no one will play Summit lol

[desert plume]

And I don't need any more really since I maxed out the watch but yeaaah

Summit is gonna be dead mode now

[desert plume]

Exactly this ^

[crude plume]

the game is broken performance wise but massive takes away things that are fun for many players like fl10 farm. instead they should fix the games performance and throw every new content update into the trash until the game is running smoothly. might aswell uninstall td2 now

[elfin hazel]

summit was pretty much already dead

[desert plume]

True. I might give up from this game

I swear , I might do that, anyways I'm into Ready Or Not these days anyways

NothingButSkillz throw a video already

Wonder what other content creator's for Division 2 will tell

Since Skillz is pissed

[toxic kayak]

@elfin hazel Summit was responsible for Million if not Billion of SHD Levels 🤣

[mighty wedge]

is there any real difference between a dropped famas and a crafted famas replica?

[desert plume]

I saw a guy with 80k SHD, 45k, and so on

[elfin hazel]

aside from the name no

[desert plume]

I was sooo hyped about this TU 16.1 now I got bored really, I'm angryyy

[tender wave]

yeah I heard MSV were running low on shd levels, they've given out so many. Need to save some for regular players earning them the hard way

(that was a joke)

[dire sundial]

What is wrong with the umbra set?

[elfin hazel]

gear dye doesnt work

[gusty dove]

i'm at 918, want to get to 1k asap 💀

[toxic kayak]

Yeah it sucks, they lost a nice chunck of Content and another Part of theire playerbase....

[elfin hazel]

I wouldn't exactly call floor 10 a chunk of content

[desert plume]

Gear dye doesn't work, mod slots are fucked, and for example if I want to pick Umbra mask from striker mask, umbra doesn't make an appereance , only other gear sets and their masks

[dire sundial]

Ah. Thanks!

[desert plume]

No problem. And that bothers me quite a lot really. Also not to mention how apparel event got delayed... That killed me even more

So instead of positive things all I see is more negative

[devout epoch]

the heartbreaker backpack is missing in the appearance collection

[tender wave]

look on the bright side, AC Valhalla just had a patch (literally today) which has apparently just removed loads of items from players inventories in all their save games

[devout epoch]

oh wait nvm i was just blind

[gusty dove]

that's a yikes

[crystal copper]

Guys

I have question

When i go to summit i cant invite people

I went matchmaking and i cant host

[desert plume]

lol

😂

And people go hard on CyberPunk 2077. At least CDPR do decent patches, which really fix something

[tender wave]

actually, doing a bit more searching and I can't find any further mentions of it other than the original one I saw on the official discord. If their support forums and reddit aren't blowing up, it's probably not a real thing but just one user having a day

[gusty dove]

havent touched valhalla in a while nor can be bothered to check as well tbh

[thick stream]

Floor 10 got nerfed?

[reef reef]

yes

[thick stream]

BYE BYE DIVISION community .. Its been a nice Journey with you ( and also a pathetic ending _)) 🙂

[tender wave]

'I can't play without knowing I'm gaining faster xp and materials than other players'

or was it just the mindless repetitive grind that made it so much more attractive than other activities?

[frozen meadow]

I just wanna know why people are throwing a fit that an exploit got patched

[mighty wedge]

uh, vector cant have fast hands? Oo

[elfin hazel]

you're never going to understand & neither will I

[frozen meadow]

Fast hands is an AR talent no?

[tender wave]

pretty sure vector can have fast hands

have you maybe not extracted it into your recal library yet?

[elfin hazel]

fast hands is all weapon types

[frozen meadow]

Ah okay

[thick stream]

its the side of grind where u can only focus on xp farming, bt in outside u can focus on pvp , DZ , or whatever u want... no need to get tensed about leveling... bt now... It will be like dead grind to farm xp ... so, I quite

[dusk flower]

Any word on how long the apparel event was delayed?

[heavy ocean]

Its a bug which has a lowest priority than a summit floor 10

2 weeks?

[elfin hazel]

probably 2-3 weeks

whenever TU16.2 is probably

[frozen meadow]

Will there be a 16.2

[reef reef]

After 1k, SHD means nothing. Theres no reason to overreact.

[elfin hazel]

I'd think so considering how much more of the season we have to go

[frozen meadow]

But my +30 health D:

[thick stream]

It has bro, u can farm / get more resource if have more shd level .... By opening new character..

[tender wave]

just grind resource convoys, it's a bit slower but then EVERYONE is levelling slower now

or I guess just go play a game that's actually designed around good pvp, because this one isn't

[frozen meadow]

It's not a pvp focused game

[reef reef]

I'll amend my statement.
After 1k, SHD means very very little. Theres no reason to overreact.

You can still start new characters to get resources, thats not changed. getting boatloads of levels has. Just get levels normally, or by convoys, and do the same trick.

[frozen meadow]

But that requires skill

[heavy ocean]

No?

all you need is chem launcher and drone

[frozen meadow]

I'm just glad lfg isn't f10 spam anymore

[elfin hazel]

scav points are probably one of the main reasons if not the main reason f10 got nerfed

[sonic isle]

reading a book of the biggest jokes human people made

[frozen meadow]

I never really liked f10

[rotund osprey]

Yeah i only used f10 if time was of the essence though with the big changes i think i might give up my role as a raid leader

[reef reef]

I tried it once. Found it incredibly boring. I'd rather level up anywhere else, even if it wasnt the most effecient.

[frozen meadow]

Same here

[reef reef]

wait what big changes

has there been something i'm not aware of

[brisk bridge]

Some folks saying F10 was stealth-patched.

I can't be arsed to check.

[frozen meadow]

It's not a stealth patch lol

[rotund osprey]

i meant with changes with f10 and the changes to countdown mean new players looking for EB's is gonna be abnoxiously impossible to deal with

[tender wave]

just read up a bit

[frozen meadow]

They just didn't make a grand announcement

[tender notch]

aka stealth patch

[frozen meadow]

Wouldn't that make all patches stealth

[brisk bridge]

Potato, poh-tah-toe. 😛

[elfin hazel]

no because f10 wasnt in the patch notes

[frozen meadow]

It wasn't?

[heavy ocean]

Nope

[frozen meadow]

Ah then never mind

[brisk bridge]

Bzzzt! 😛

[quiet sky]

Rip floor 10

[reef reef]

that is such a small change to call a large change

[tender notch]

only if they arent announced. this patch was in #patch-notes but left out the "FL 10 fix" from the note, hence "floor 10 was stealth patched" is correct.

[frozen meadow]

Never realized that, I retract my statement

[brisk bridge]

I just quit a Countdown game in the early stage because two guys were running turret/drone and wouldn't switch even after I told them hunters would hack them.

[rotund osprey]

its got to do with how we run raids it means we are gonna get flooded with new players and alot of times its gonna require alot more time and more people to get them raid ready

[frozen meadow]

People became more aware of that

[feral pagoda]

Which difficulty

[frozen meadow]

I've carried shd 1s through ih it's fine

[brisk bridge]

Challenging, but I didn't want to wait 15-20 minutes to get us all mowed down by our own team's hacked turrets. 😉

[frozen meadow]

He prolly meant tu15

[reef reef]

its going from the very small amount of time to like a normal amount of time to get people raid ready, thats fine to me

[rotund osprey]

well they have to have a certain build too or they are not allowed to raid with us thats the server rules

[feral pagoda]

Oof - yeah, had a wipe once due to a ill placed turret

[rotund osprey]

i can make exceptions of course but im not the one who makes the rules there

[reef reef]

is it just a half decent red build or is it something dumb

[frozen meadow]

That has nothing to do with the update

[rotund osprey]

no its a perfect red build with glass cannon ect

[frozen meadow]

I hope that's sarcastic

Shit wrong reply sorry aspect

[reef reef]

like it has to be a perfect build or

[frozen meadow]

:<

[reef reef]

because if it has to be perfect thats disgusting

[reef reef]

no worries

[frozen meadow]

Normally what I see being thrown around is 60 chc 120+ chd

I've done it with the messiest builds possible on purpose

You don't need anything for a raid,

[feral pagoda]

I see lower tiered people usually running Prov

[frozen meadow]

I've used 6 piece improv

[rotund osprey]

its because its technically a speedrunning server where we run raids for EB's to help people but people tend to abuse us so we make them have to at least have our build to run with us

[brisk bridge]

I was wrong. It was three people on green team. https://i.imgur.com/VG346Y5.png

[frozen meadow]

Speedrunning doesn't coexist with new players ._.

[reef reef]

hell 50+ chc and 100+ chc is what i raided with to start, making people get a perfect build is elitist as hell, especially for new players

[frozen meadow]

I can get away with 10/50

:p

[reef reef]

if you mean new to speedrunning then whatever, but new players? thats disgusting

[frozen meadow]

It's less about the build and more about the person using it

[brisk bridge]

Agree

[feral pagoda]

What. Why.

[frozen meadow]

Either way, that build gatekeeping has nothing to do with the update at all

[rotund osprey]

well its not fair for us for anyone and their brother to waste 3-4 hours of our time just to run once i make things work and of course people scalp and try to lie to get a free EB, its a mess on any server running raids tbh

[frozen meadow]

Then don't expect speedruns

[rotund osprey]

it enough most of our raid leads for pc just quit

[frozen meadow]

Sounds like that server as a whole is a mess tbh

[rotund osprey]

even i stopped leading raids cause its tedious to get them together

[frozen meadow]

You can't gatekeep new players for not having god builds

[rotund osprey]

it is but its still easier than GC rock

[dark matrix]

I lead a few raids and if you know how to talk to em you can provide suggestion and make changes to their builds

[hybrid ore]

This whole conversation is starting to sound a little "first world problems-ey".

[dark matrix]

but at the same time impose your own limits too of course

[frozen meadow]

Or just work with what they have

[dark matrix]

lotta times it's people not being careful, the build can work

so you can work that out

[frozen meadow]

Yeah I've done some stupid builds

[rotund osprey]

well think about this for just a second back when we were doing this you could run maybe three countdowns and have a build if you had at least one person farming with you so its not that bad

[frozen meadow]

There was the one DH I did with a hybrid tank/healer/dps build

[dark matrix]

yeah it can work

I even went with that snowball gun with Vile once for the sake of it

forgots its name

[frozen meadow]

I can guarantee I can do either raid with whatever gear exists in the game

[frozen meadow]

Sleigher

[dark matrix]

yeah

[elder onyx]

I see they didn't bother to fix the disconnect issue, but apparently floor 10 got patched? I don't farm FL10, but one of these things doesn't hurt anyone and the other makes the game unplayable.

[rotund osprey]

we didn't just ditch people we would team up with new players to help them farm the builds too

[dark matrix]

a really good combo should try it

[feral pagoda]

So - on another topic, TB

[frozen meadow]

Man fuck leg tb

[rotund osprey]

usually took 1-2 hours

[feral pagoda]

Has anyone tried it after the patch

[frozen meadow]

Did they patch it

[feral pagoda]

Generators still fucky, or no?

[frozen meadow]

I really hope so, it's funny how high health they are xD

[desert plume]

Wouldn't be surprised if so

[dark matrix]

patch notes said yes

[desert plume]

LOL

[frozen meadow]

What did they lower it to

[feral pagoda]

Last time we did it, we had a dude switch to a tank build during the last stage

[desert plume]

what is patch note?

[dark matrix]

yes and in lowerd HP

[frozen meadow]

The notes for the patch

[tender wave]

I think the patch notes might be stuff they didn't fix, they just got the wrong list

[desert plume]

patch note said how umbra gear is fixed and how blurry season pass image is fixed, but I still have issues with those

[dark matrix]

"Reduced the HP of the Tidal Basin Legendary Stronghold Boss weak points. "

[feral pagoda]

Lowered it by 10 HP

Problem solved

[frozen meadow]

Wait umbra was broken?

[elfin hazel]

gear dye & transmog

[dark matrix]

no color application possible

[desert plume]

appereance and mod slots and gear dye

[frozen meadow]

Oh right

[austere harbor]

It does, they just get left behind lmao

[feral pagoda]

Something with the color, yeah

[frozen meadow]

Lmao

I have trouble understanding how you speedrun with a new player, do you just like yell at him for not doing C water or something?

[tender wave]

given how many things have been fixed that weren't in the patch notes, and things that are but haven't actually been fixed, they prob just got them the wrong way around somehow

[dark matrix]

plus press Shift smh

[feral pagoda]

I guesd they ignore them lol

*guess

[frozen meadow]

Because I've done the whole explain the raid to new people, had 5 brand new people in the group, and finished in just over an hour

IH*

[desert plume]

makes sense yeah

[dark matrix]

part of me wishes things went smooth, but part of me also enjoys some of this mess

[rotund osprey]

Man though leading raids is fun i just got burned out especially after getting evicted XD

[desert plume]

Man I fix bugs faster then Ubi and Massive.

[frozen meadow]

Cap

[tender wave]

actually tbf some of the stuff in the notes has been confirmed to be live, so I guess it's not exactly inverted

[elfin hazel]

I wish things went smooth but given the little we know about the current team n stuff its not happening and thats fine to me

[frozen meadow]

Large games are complicated

[thick knoll]

Have they fixed dz target loot?

[feral pagoda]

Game was never supposed to last this long

[elfin hazel]

^

[dark matrix]

I kept hearing things about engine issues too?

[frozen meadow]

Kinda, it drops uncontaminated

[feral pagoda]

Wasn't it supposed to end at Season 4?

[elfin hazel]

it was yeah

[dark matrix]

it was

[frozen meadow]

They added an extra year

[thick knoll]

So are we actually gonna get bags if we go too south right now or is it just random stuff

[frozen meadow]

Yes

[rotund osprey]

and now an extra year from what i heard

[feral pagoda]

So the current team's just building on older assets

[elfin hazel]

about 1-5 days after people started to realise that S4 was the end ubi management turned around and went uhmhm we're working on it again!!

[thick knoll]

Alright thank you

[dark matrix]

this sort of implies that Division 3 is far away too, if they wanted to end story with Faye there, but now we're doing a whole lot more

[feral pagoda]

Faye dying was disappointing

[frozen meadow]

They are focusing on heartlands/resurgence rn

[dark matrix]

I hope Resurgence flops

[feral pagoda]

Expected more from her character

[frozen meadow]

:(

[rotund osprey]

it really was but its not like we play division for the story

[elfin hazel]

I think yannick or someone said that the reason the faye mission was like that was because of deadlines

[rotund osprey]

its just filler between shooting survivors

[elfin hazel]

personally I really like the story of div ☻

[dark matrix]

it's an interesting storyline

like yeah maybe it gets stretched out to justify seasons but still

[frozen meadow]

Im glad we have an insight on the hunters origin

[rotund osprey]

i like the aesthetic but the story is so lame its not even funny

[dark matrix]

not many games that deal with the collapse of society in a more realistic way

[frozen meadow]

I love the story :(

[rotund osprey]

hunters and rogues are the fun part

[dark matrix]

what's so lame about it

[frozen meadow]

I like it :(

[rotund osprey]

but the whole we are division stuff is just propaganda

[elfin hazel]

I mean yeah

[frozen meadow]

What

[rotund osprey]

its like hive mind mentality is half the story is what i mean

[dark matrix]

how so

[frozen meadow]

Idk what that's supposed to mean

[dark matrix]

idk either lol

[elfin hazel]

thats kinda the point + that'd be right up tom clancy's alley bro was jingoistic about america

[rotund osprey]

its like when you watch old propaganda films but instead it what the characters you meet talk like

[feral pagoda]

Again, I express the desire to slaughter the BoO

[frozen meadow]

Isn't like, the whole point just factions trying to recruit people

[rotund osprey]

its why i love the cleaners no bs just burn it

[feral pagoda]

Lmao true

[frozen meadow]

Which seems really realistic

[dark matrix]

this is basically a current day fall of Rome

and if you actually listen to what's ingame there's much bigger enemies out there than jsut Black Tusk in their latex suits

[frozen meadow]

Yeah hunters

[dark matrix]

Cleaners also are idiots really

no regrets about putting them down

[frozen meadow]

And hyenas aren't?

[dark matrix]

most of em are yeah

[elfin hazel]

cleaners could be so much more and I wish they were that much more

[dark matrix]

but Hyenas at least don't create so much suffering and try to justify it with some bs cause

[rotund osprey]

tbh div2 story is alot better i'm kinda combining the whole we are the best talk from div 1 with somes of the experiences in div 2

[feral pagoda]

LMB was a vibe

[elfin hazel]

they're such a simple but believable faction

[sleek drift]

slaughter all outcasts

[frozen meadow]

Hyenas dont have a cause

[feral pagoda]

Though I hated the LMB shotgunners

[frozen meadow]

They just do drugs n shit

[dark matrix]

which is a lot more honest of em yeah

[rotund osprey]

sure they do its to do drugs and kill stuff... the american dream

[fickle cypress]

Shoot the bag and they will be high

[sleek drift]

nah, true sons are peak american culture taken to an extreme

hyenas are pretty based if a bit sociopathic, outcasts are just lmao vengeance!!!!!!!! despite being weak

I like Shaw though

[dark matrix]

that recording of Joe Ferro calling his niece basically telling her "hey sweetie you will hear your uncle burned people alive in NY for your safety right, but also the JTF got burned, the DIvision too, we probably burned animals too right sweetie for your safety"

[feral pagoda]

Division 1 was just better for environmental storytelling overall

[frozen meadow]

Nah

[dark matrix]

so yea me doing ballistic facial reconstruction on Ferro is justified

[austere harbor]

Yeah definitely

[sleek drift]

I like the aesthetic more

[feral pagoda]

Remember the Girl with the Piano?

That was sad af

[austere harbor]

God I remember that

[dark matrix]

imo both games do it well

[austere harbor]

Why did you have to make me remember

[rotund osprey]

same div one was the world div 2 was the story of the fall

[dark matrix]

but you have to remember Div 1 is set closer to the disaster where people sort of expect a return to normalcy eventually

[feral pagoda]

But you're right - both games contribute greatly to the overall story

[dark matrix]

while in 2 big post-civilization factions alredy formed

[rotund osprey]

yeah its nihilism in a cup

[feral pagoda]

A lot of "Tribe Mentality" being expressed in both games

[frozen meadow]

That's what happens in anarchy

[sleek drift]

because tribalism is an aspect of human nature

[frozen meadow]

P much

[sleek drift]

remove civilization and like groups/ideology will form for the sake of survival

[rotund osprey]

or you know just go outside alittle more

[sleek drift]

or rather, whatever was already established as far as ideology would likely continue

i do go outside, it's the same thing but under the guise of 'we are civilized'

pack mentality is a big reason why i hate humans

[dark matrix]

it was actually weird seeing how effective the JTF can be without any moral limitations in the form of True Sons, but at the same time they don't fight for what is right anymore so yea

[rotund osprey]

i feel that would be the end because most people not just in the game don't have ideology just say what they've been told

[sleek drift]

granted it's evolutionary advantageous for the sake of survival

[sleek drift]

somewhat true, in the case of the true sons, they have their own 'cause' taken to an extreme, they see themselves as america

but they're just loyal to ridgeway

so they'll eat his bs as long as he keeps giving them feelzie good speeches for shit like 'justice' and 'doing the right thing' and 'not being weak or cowardly'

[rotund osprey]

yeah obviously its over dramatic but i even know people given that experience would cling together like that

[feral pagoda]

I wonder how Anderson compares in contrast to Ridgeway

[sleek drift]

Idk the div 1 factions, maybe they have better backstories

Anderson is more shrewd; they're both proud and egoistic

Ridgeway is overconfident, Anderson is more cautious and calculated

[dark matrix]

people like Ridgeway are quite certainly around in militaries nowadays

[sleek drift]

I dislike them both

[dark matrix]

Anderson really strikes me as a bootlicker now

shows his lack of spine

[frozen meadow]

Was ridgeway above or below Anderson

[dark matrix]

above

[sleek drift]

I think Anderson is playing the long game

[frozen meadow]

Okay ty

[feral pagoda]

I recall the Recording in the natural history museum - with Ridgeway stating that TS doesn't back down, etc. etc.

[frozen meadow]

And Anderson took his spot as general right

[dark matrix]

yeah and now TS basically are vassals of BT

[sleek drift]

yeah because they fear being cowards which is kind of funny

[feral pagoda]

And Anderson, like you said - goes on to play a survival game

They somewhat, but not quite - express a strong contrast there

[frozen meadow]

True sons are starting to recognize that BT is fucked up so might team with the div

[rotund osprey]

i feel like its, going back to div 1 here, but the factions in 1 are trying to take peace into their own hands while in div 2 hope is lost so everyone division included are just trying to buff their power and influence

[dark matrix]

Ridgeway himself is very much a hypocrite so it doesn't surprise me

[sleek drift]

yeah i agree with this somewhat

[feral pagoda]

True

[dark matrix]

executes people for lack of "loyalty" when he himself betrayed so many

[sleek drift]

Considering you also don't have any government authority outside of the Division, you can actually argue the division doesn't even have legitimate influence anymore, they're just the guys with the most tech outside of black tusk and the hunters

[frozen meadow]

They are attempting to restore government

[feral pagoda]

"Attempting" is the keyword here

[frozen meadow]

I mean it's their job so

[sleek drift]

ye but at this point there's no inherent legitimacy outside of might makes right because whatever executive chain of command existed is gone

[rotund osprey]

even looking at the rikers they were trying to secure their holes to die in in a matter of speech they knew they were gonna die soon but wanted to create a safe haven to die happy in

[dark matrix]

from what I can gather there's still remnants of the government somewhere that we are in contact with

[sleek drift]

so to the point made above, the division is still just a tribe

[feral pagoda]

As well, up to what level can they really restore the Government?

[sonic isle]

a tribe ?

[sleek drift]

a tribe vying for power / influence

[sonic isle]

i'd like capitalism again

[sleek drift]

granted it thinks it's power is legitimate because it was established by previous powers

[dark matrix]

I'd say that the only thing holding the Division back right now is numbers

in time I bet the civillian militia can be trained and equipped much better

and a lot of our ops have us humiliate BT

[sleek drift]

inb4 the settlements go to war

[feral pagoda]

True, although I wonder about the possibility of equipping and training new agents

[dark matrix]

I am still wishing we see civillian militia archetypes

[rotund osprey]

which would make sense beings the division itself loses purpose once the government fell so it does seem the div slowly just becomes another tribe trying to survive for its own reasons like everyone else

[dark matrix]

instead of the boring ones we have now with just a vest

we got a lot of places secured for gear

[lament mirage]

plate carrier

[dark matrix]

I want to see a heavy from Theater

I want him to scare the hell out of enemies as I snipe their leader

they really take this enemies look threatening and allies look helpless thing too far and it looks boring

in Theater they got Odessa training them

and she's not someone you want to cross

[feral pagoda]

Speaking of Plate Carriers - wonder how hot the Heavies are in their Armor

[rotund osprey]

yeah and i mean look at ny and their archetypes the civs there are what you would expect to see from a bunch of peacefully protecting survivors

[lament mirage]

Depends on level ngl

Some plates like 3 and 4a be pretty heavy

[dark matrix]

yeah and I'd even take it further at this stage of the conflict, we secured a lot of areas full of armor, ammunition and guns to justify more than utility vests for our allies

[fiery cloud]

Hey EEvee, RIRI

[feral pagoda]

I'd imagine that they're utilizing Ceramic

Or maybe a mix of both?

[lament mirage]

🤔

[feral pagoda]

Spalling would certainly be an issue neverthless

[sleek drift]

Considering it's a key component in crafting armor, yes

[rotund osprey]

idk its funny because dc is full of lobbyists and radicals that have no spine so seeing as those would be your "survivors" makes sense

[feral pagoda]

Very true

[sleek drift]

Did you see the echo where the senator was trying to grab shit from a CERA camp

and a bunch of people wound up mob rioting her

and she felt entitled to it bc of her status

[feral pagoda]

Serves her right

[lament mirage]

Could be a regular level 3 or 4 tho our agents do be taking a lot of rounds

[sleek drift]

Ya there was a Division agent on hand to peacekeep but I think it said her status was deceased, so I presumed the mob wound up lyncing her

[sonic isle]

a lot' of 'em

[sleek drift]

lynching*

[lament mirage]

Or they got some fancy stuff

[rotund osprey]

exactly but once dust settles pacifists stay pacifists which is why they refuse to kit out for killing its not in their nature which is respectable even if stupid

[feral pagoda]

Our Agents cannot just be using normal plates

[dark matrix]

they don't act like pacifists though

[rotund osprey]

the fighters are the other factions

[dark matrix]

in the story Odessa actively attacks control points

[sleek drift]

I don't agree with pacifism, I think all humans have it in them to kill

[dark matrix]

so they're on the attack at times for sure

[sleek drift]

It would be going against their nature to not survive

[lament mirage]

Yea prob some fancy shit

[dark matrix]

maybe Campus is more pacifistic idk

but Theater definitely has it in em to be more

[rotund osprey]

exactly but if we have learned anything this kind of mindset reins true and its why the survivors were almost wiped out by other factions because they were the ones that refused to take up arms

[feral pagoda]

Campus is more of a self sustaining settlment

*settlement

[dark matrix]

Odessa even calls Schaeffer a roach lol

[sleek drift]

I see it was one that wins influence through resources/economy

[rotund osprey]

the people the division help are the smallest group of people left together

[sleek drift]

Doesn't necessarily need to kill to protect itself though it's capable; it has the Division doing it's dirty work after all lol

[feral pagoda]

Yep, as also expressed by the Voicelog at the FBI HQ

[rotund osprey]

and they still want the division to do all the killing for them

[sleek drift]

I'm having deja vu

[dark matrix]

I would never say no to shooting True Sons so it works fine

[lament mirage]

What is we mercs for hire or something

[sleek drift]

I'm alright with slaughtering every faction, they're all bullies in their own way

[feral pagoda]

The Division is almost a hitsquad in a sense - mark a target, they kill

[lament mirage]

😐

[sleek drift]

I professionally respect black tusk tho

[dark matrix]

still Black Tusk do execute people

[austere harbor]

Damn I just got nemesis and without optimizing much I’m hitting 5.4 mil damage crit headshots

[dark matrix]

so all bets are off

[feral pagoda]

One thing that confuses me about BT - what are they made of?

[sleek drift]

Ya, but they're also good at what they do and they're usually quick, clean and efficient and I can respect that

[dark matrix]

ex-military

[rotund osprey]

thats what the story says is that the division is only out to kill for the helpless by this stage of the game and the helpless were refusing to fight and ignore the problems

[lament mirage]

Nah they rely alot on their tech n shit

[sleek drift]

White Tusk is supposedly the remnants of LMB who got folded into Black Tusk

[fickle cypress]

And I think some from the LMB

[dark matrix]

but generally a lot more highly trained rather than grunts

[feral pagoda]

^ Exactly, that's what I assumed, but why does the Echo express hiring convicts?

[fickle cypress]

After Bliss got killed.

[feral pagoda]

So are they a mix of ex-military and convicts>?

[dark matrix]

to fill up numbers

[sleek drift]

Think like a combination of a PMC mixed with The Enclave

[dark matrix]

Black Tusk at this point in time hire any dredge of society if they got the skills to give them what they want

[sleek drift]

Yeah there was a meeting between some dude who I can't name bc idk who it is and schaeffer

[feral pagoda]

So in that sense, is there a possibility that most executions we see are done by the more recently hired convicts, not the already-existing units?

[fickle cypress]

Hmm...if we get to General Anderson will we capture him?

[sleek drift]

told schaeffer to get people who'll do what needs to be done, doesn't matter if they're criminals or killers, as long as they follow orders

[dark matrix]

there's nothing to imply the convicts group together separately from the ex-military

plus, a lot might be convicts that were ex-military

[feral pagoda]

I think Anderson's going to die at the hands of our Agents

[dark matrix]

he seems like the type to run away so I doubt it

[sleek drift]

II didn't do the lewis fight, did he die or was he spared

[feral pagoda]

I'm more curious of Lewis though

[dark matrix]

Lewis is still alive

[rotund osprey]

and next we'll be putting manny in a box down the river. pull yourself together man

[dark matrix]

he wants to help us now

[sleek drift]

I could see him being a Division plant to sway the true sons

[lament mirage]

I mean there expendable and if it helps echo reach their goal y not especially without sacrificing their own men

[fickle cypress]

And told us about BT helping Anderson

[sleek drift]

BT would just use TS for cannon fodder

[feral pagoda]

Elaborate?

[sleek drift]

Maybe recruit the best out of TS

[rotund osprey]

it was a joke

[feral pagoda]

Lol, that flew over my head

[fickle cypress]

Hmm...yes.

[fiery cloud]

cassie is over by the theater

opens in 13hrs

[dark matrix]

I can definitely see this as taking the best True Sons got and leaving the grunts out to whatever fate

and Anderson in his cowardice made it all possible

[rotund osprey]

its because its very likely anderson will become a final boss but i was saying something completely off rails to make it sound normal by comparison

[sleek drift]

You're overvaluing cowardice, he's shrewd and strategic and plays the long con

He's slimey but I wouldn't say he's a coward, the definition is shirking one's moral duty out of fear

[dark matrix]

I don't think there's much to win by kissing Black Tusk boots

[sleek drift]

Uh, survival lol

[dark matrix]

yeah but at this point that goes against what True Sons were allegedly about

[sleek drift]

You pretend to show your belly and become a vassal, build strength in secret then eventually move to overthrow when your ruling nation is weak

[rotund osprey]

but if a man's duty is surviving that would still make him a coward for staying too

[dark matrix]

so does he hold his values or does he survive

[sleek drift]

It's not a weak move

[dark matrix]

they were meant to be the new US in a sense, to not bow down to weak leaders, to get order in by force

[feral pagoda]

But I'm sure that not all TSs support this ideology of "never run"

[sleek drift]

Esp. when you're outmanned and outgunned by something bigger than you, what're you gonna do lmao, die in a glorious hail of bullets?

[lament mirage]

True but when it's about survival you gotta do whatever it takes regardless

[sleek drift]

That's Ridgeway's leadership style

[feral pagoda]

Again, going back to the VL in the NHM

[dark matrix]

if they would stick to their ideology, yes they should die in a hail of bullets like Ridgeway

[sleek drift]

Ridgeway is actually arguably more of a coward because he doesn't know how to cut his losses because he's afraid of appearing weak

[rotund osprey]

Calling in the division psychics to deal with the new enemy

[sleek drift]

Counterphobia is still a reaction to fear, and thus still a fear response

[dark matrix]

I find it more respectable to put up a fight than whatever Anderson is doing now

[lament mirage]

I respect that ngl

[feral pagoda]

So in the end - Anderson=Completely different leadership style

[dark matrix]

and a lot more in line to what Ridgeway meant TS to be

[rotund osprey]

well he could be a division plant too so its hard to tell what anderson is playing at

[sleek drift]

I see people who go "never retreat and die" and i'm like lmao, that's not sound tactical advice and you're dying for something as arbitrary as ideology

[rotund osprey]

just gonna have to wait for the next episode of DBZ

[sleek drift]

have a mercenary's attitude, live to fight another day because you can still do more damage later

also, 'moral duty' is a joke

no such thing outside of someone wanting you to die for their agenda

[dark matrix]

I get that logically it makes little sense, but TS were very ideologically driven at their height, they could've pulled out but instead ruled by terror

[sleek drift]

which is their intrinsic weakness

[rotund osprey]

but if theres no morals does winning even matter?

[dark matrix]

it is

but it is who they are

[feral pagoda]

Winning = Power

[sleek drift]

survival > morals. you can only afford to be moral when you're in a luxurious position

[rotund osprey]

and power leads to the dark side

[feral pagoda]

And they want Power to survive

[sleek drift]

those who win and survive establish what comes next

[dark matrix]

and I really REALLY doubt Anderson will come out ontop of this

[feral pagoda]

He won't lol

[dark matrix]

it's the Black Tusk here we're talking about

[sleek drift]

adhering to ideology is actually inflexible and will make you die because you were unable to adapt

[dark matrix]

so it's not a good move either way

[feral pagoda]

He's pretty much fodder for BT - they're most likely utilizing him as a tool for a higher purpose

[sleek drift]

As far as Anderson vs Ridgeway, as much as I find anderson slimy and repulsive, he's playing his cards as I would play them if I was in a position where I couldn't win a direct fight

[rotund osprey]

yet never has survival lead to better morals it just makes you more ready to do anything and everything to keep going which is no way to live

[dark matrix]

they might survive as individuals, but not as a faction by bowing down to BT

[sleek drift]

I should probably separate the two, you can still be ethical in a post apocalyptic world, but adhering to some objective "this is good and bad" is stupid, it's going to be dependent on context

[feral pagoda]

As a faction, they're already shattered

[fair lake]

Upgraded my GPU today - never thought The Division 2 is so beautiful

[sleek drift]

Something like, "I don't want to bully the weak" is only valuable insofar you have the strength to back that value

[dark matrix]

yeah at best they're not going to "rebuild" America, they're just becoming BT fodder

[sleek drift]

Granted when I'm in the DZ, I don't usually go rogue, I kill rogues

[dark matrix]

at this rate why even call themselves True Sons

[feral pagoda]

That reminds me of the 2nd time I entered the DZ

Squad of 3 camping the entrance - died multiple times

[lament mirage]

A lovely experience

[rotund osprey]

that is the fun thing because apocalypse such as in this game implies the problem came from dirty deals and "survival of the elite" which is where all the death should be blamed and the division is just trying to make it one more day morally

[sleek drift]

Anderson is trying to ensure they survive, 'rebuilding America' was from Ridgeway's leadership and they've lost strength since he died

[feral pagoda]

Another squad appears out of nowhere, wipes the campers - then lets me run with them

[sleek drift]

The elite would likely be the first to die because they're soft and weak

[dark matrix]

I get that, but technically sticking to the name and pretending to carry on Ridgeway's "torch" now is a huge lie

[rotund osprey]

if the division loses its morals its over they just become an new age of hunters killing anything for sport

[dark matrix]

that's now how it works lol

[lament mirage]

Man if u keep walking out of the same cp knowing what's on the other side that's on u

[sleek drift]

Agreed from the perspective of them being ideologically driven

[dark matrix]

do you see Sokolova dying in the field?

[sleek drift]

They're rich and powerful because they create and maintain and artificial game to acquire power because they create the rules, if the world collapses, money and power as influence cease to be power, it's who's got the most guns

[dark matrix]

she's just sending the Black Tusk while she sits comfortable

[feral pagoda]

Very true, but still a good ending neverthless

[sleek drift]

because she's the head of a pmc with expensive tech

she can still back her power with manpower

[dark matrix]

yeah but I am talking about actual elites here with access to such things, not your local singer that got rich

[rotund osprey]

its a great morality issue for the game itself and is why the story gives me a headache

[sleek drift]

it's not money driven, it's tech driven

[lament mirage]

Amen

[dark matrix]

heads of states

[feral pagoda]

While Sokolova runs BT - her company is still being hired by a higher power; aren't they?

[dark matrix]

yea

[feral pagoda]

Hmm

[dark matrix]

at many points in history the people dried in droves for the gain of the few

[rotund osprey]

you kidding sokolova's in the gulags by now

[dark matrix]

so the "elites" always had it covered

[sleek drift]

also, money =/= resources, i'd argue BT is sitting on their share of stockpiles

like the survival equivalent of a gold standard

[dark matrix]

there's elites running BT too

[rotund osprey]

or the whole EU or Russia TBH

[sleek drift]

if you can keep churning out guns and ammo, you're comfortable

[feral pagoda]

There are evidently limits though

[sleek drift]

Oh yes

[feral pagoda]

Remember Shaeffer's VLs

[sleek drift]

Also BTSU's recruitment event lol

Tech is useless without manpower

[feral pagoda]

Heads and Tails lol

[rotund osprey]

I got it its Britains's brexit trying to take over america its so obvious

[sleek drift]

I love Heads and Tails

That was White Oak tho