td2-build-advice

[smoky latch]

Don't use NBB in PvE 😬

[steady garnet]

Why not

[smoky latch]

Because it sucks, you lose a major damage source and gain nothing major in return

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1og9FWqIfhTr3Wo-il3GN5Iq7gHEG3EQdj0ZtkHIZAmY/edit?usp=drivesdk

Check this out, HB tech tank so-called

[steady garnet]

I play with this one too, it melts, but I use in it solo. I use ninja when in group because then I dont get to collect a lot of trophies

[smoky latch]

What difficulty do you play on that you say it melts? On heroic it takes quite long to kill NPCs but it's bearable solo.
For group play I wouldn't use HB at all

[livid sorrel]

honestly running memento in groups would probably be better than nbb

[steady garnet]

Open world heroic

[smoky latch]

You should try DPS builds and see what melting means 😅 Just saying. For group play, if you insist on using HB, use a Česká backpack with Vigilance and Overdogs

[livid sorrel]

describing anything as melts or shreds just makes it sound like a clickbair youtuber

[hazy steeple]

To be 100% honest, a lot of combo's "melt" with Heroic LZ.

There's a reason it's considered the base difficulty for endgame.

[livid sorrel]

anything works on heroic

[hazy steeple]

Well, not anything. It requires knowledge, and putting that knowledge into practice.

[livid sorrel]

that's true, it's more like if you have some knowledge on making builds it'll work on heroic

[fair dragon]

I can put on a 6pc 5.11 headshot build and it will still work

[hybrid leaf]

Ooh strikers again. It's a shame it's on Wall Street lol

[smoky latch]

Could be intriguing to play it on T10

[hybrid leaf]

As long as it isn't my tokens 😂😂😂

[smoky latch]

Long mission, plenty drops. With the right team it shouldn't be too bad

[hybrid leaf]

I hate it 😂😂

[grizzled kelp]

Can someone advise me on how to choose a build for solo escalation?

[smoky latch]

Pinned message, link to spreadsheet, there's an Escalation guide you can read

[grizzled kelp]

oh thanks x3

[subtle bluff]

My biggest advice if you're aren't able to Run thru the heroic mission of it you'll have issues once you start hitting augments.

[ebon lantern]

first time using a GR9 and measured with this build. Any other advice for a fun perk besides measured that feels nice? I'm guessing Killer is also a solid option

[solar sable]

Pressure Point or Killer yeah.

[ebon lantern]

Oh yeah good call on Pressure Point, def loving the Gr9 so will give that a go

[subtle bluff]

Play around with the LMG's. It's up to the player. MG5, GR9 and MK46 are all good imo.

[ebon lantern]

Yeah been mainly using the Mk46 with Frenzy but got a well rolled GR9 and decided to give it a go. Def two total different weapons which I enjoy

[ebon lantern]

Was actually this video you posted before or something similar that got me into the set. It's my go to for just about anything but I don't do a lot of escalation. Just like the fact it feels good to play plus in a group it buffs everyone

[subtle bluff]

Ya... Sadly escalation kills it... because the idea of a OD just be around so you can have almost umlimit ammo would be nice.

[ebon lantern]

100% another great QOL it brings, had a buddy get back into the game and was commenting on his infinite ammo and I was just like YEAH THAT'S ME

[misty walrus]

How is gearshift compared to frenzy mk46 in non escal contents?

[worldly olive]

Can someone confirm for me? Striker is only getting nerfed in PvP? Or PvE as well?

[ebon lantern]

Pretty sure it's less damage overall but it will still get the job done

[subtle bluff]

You can't really compare them in sense Frenzy is in it's own thing due how you need to proc it and keep it uptime up.

[subtle bluff]

Is this a #1507342919781318778 question or you asking about atm?

[worldly olive]

Yeah I don't come in here often that's why I came to this chat. Wasn't aware that was a thing.

[subtle bluff]

You're missing context to the question. I'm pretty sure the answer is only PvP.

Rather confuse where you got the info that would say otherwise.

[oak wing]

Strained could be fun to ramp your crit damage up as you fire since the GR9 has such a big mag... I still need a tinkerer T_T

[ebon lantern]

Ohhhh will def give it a go. Got lucky and can change my Gr9 talent at will so easy to try different talents and have some fun with it

[subtle bluff]

Pressure Point would be better than Strained at that rate.

[ebon lantern]

Yeah just another 15% damage on everything with a status effect right? Which OD just does in general*

[subtle bluff]

Pretty much vs slow ramp that reset if you stop shooting.

[ebon lantern]

Ahh didn't know Strained worked that way, yeah def why I'm a big fain of certain perks as it's just a guarantee instead of you needing to meet some requirements.

[grim bluff]

Yeah half the fun of OD is that it's just instant damage! Versus Strikers taking a while to stack up to a higher peak

[soft crane]

didnt know Mr. Chow can be silly

look at him wearing a bunny ear. Dont even know where he got it.

[subtle bluff]

I have 2 toons..... Thought it'd look good on this toon.

[ebon lantern]

Yeah def hope we see some changes to certain sets with this. Looking at you Tipping Scales. Takes a min to get it going and the stacks fall off so fast lol

[gray radish]

any good catalyst mask build?

just got the mask

😭

[soft crane]

Im pretty sure its a good fit for Eclipse Protocol build. The only problem though it has red core so you might need proto gear or Tech specialization. Also, is it just me or does this count of having 3 different talents?

[ebon lantern]

Haha I've asked before and it's tough because something I didn't even think about was how close you need to be to enemies for it to even proc so even getting the buff to stay up the whole time can be awkward compared to something like Tinkerer.

[frozen robin]

`Hey all im playing with a bitza build, using ninja backpack so i get the bonus +1 but gonna go try it out soon, whats your thoughts
im low level busting my ass to get the tinkering station to level 30
Going for maximum damage with the prototypes but having the heartbreaker chest instead of cherished like i normally do, It has the assult rifle and lmg bonus damage as well as the other items that have lmg and I get the hollow point bonus and lmg has refill % per bullet, just trying to get as much crap as i can to dump into the bench

I know its an odd shot normally i run stryker with salvo and ninja or momento

[halcyon crater]

A few things:

1. NBB is bad. You lose a BP talent that gives you so much damage.
2. This build tries to do too many things at once.
3. HB chest is worse than just any other High-End Chest that gives you a damage talent.
4. For OD you want the OD chest cause it's talent gives you a huge damage boost
5. You can find a proper OD build in the spreadsheet in pinned messages

[orchid kayak]

where i look for salvo and momento?

and what is the go to LMG plz

[soft crane]

Salvo is named holster unit alloy brand, target loot the brand, not the holster. Memento is common exotic backpack, either keep opening exotic cache or look for its blueprint from retaliation against Outcasts.

[orchid kayak]

ahh i see thank u

[frozen robin]

sorry had to duck away and do kids... so too much one one thing bad lol.. cool..

[halcyon crater]

There is no such thing as the best, rather it depends on what build you're running and what content you do

[orchid kayak]

i run striker

[soft crane]

In general, the one with most ammo per magazine and high rate of fire.

[orchid kayak]

ahh the one i got forget its name has 270 ammo load

[frozen robin]

i normally run striker but ive been getting the prototypes to try and protect against the higher tiers as my guns suffer on tier 2 retals

[orchid kayak]

im lvl 400+ an very clueless due to game being so complex an my irl learning disabiltys

[halcyon crater]

Incorrectly rolled proto gear is worse than correctly rolled normal gear

[frozen robin]

heroic is a challenge, i did all the hard yards on the xbox years ago so i jumped to level 40 my m16 is nice though ive been told just to keep trashing to get echo but far from worrying about that yet

wasnt suppost to hit enter... got it on steam started again

[soft crane]

Here. Dont use OD in Escalation because theres a modifier that makes enemies immune to statuses when low on health. Better off with either Striker or Tipping.

[orchid kayak]

my LMG i think is silent rore

[subtle bluff]

It's really bad.. It take too much to get proc the right stuff it's just a rainbow exo that doesn't isn't worth trying to build around it.

[frozen robin]

i might go back to my striker build with salvo and one of the backapcks updates happening now so god knows when that finishes i know its a 5 hour one

[soft crane]

Better off with Vile or maybe full yellow Investor?

[orchid kayak]

but i have alot of eox LMGs as well

exo

[soft crane]

Pesti's good.

[subtle bluff]

Vile for EP burn and Investor can be used in Support EP

[soft crane]

ah ok

[halcyon crater]

Striker guide: https://docs.google.com/document/d/16HdKj8x-LlXJCcVPAWNZWIb0SXcQOmAfAh1cHYYsxwI/edit?tab=t.0

[frozen robin]

thanks for the info and help... seem to be running in circles on challenging atm getting 0 done

[orchid kayak]

i love the look of iron lung i wish we could have have any skin on the weapons

[halcyon crater]

Just farm the standard striker build with equalizer chest and overdogs as a start

[frozen robin]

solo player and i matchmake to jump into i got a level 5 gearshift lol i loved that one... and ive upped my strikers to level 3 - 5 atm

no overdogs.. so i go backpack

got a few different exotic gloves just not that one, why i kind of went the ninja, momento was my goto until i got that

[halcyon crater]

you can run memento as well

[orchid kayak]

i have the memento backpack what other part should i get with the 4 part striker..like whak glove or something?

[halcyon crater]

just don't use striker chest, Equalizer is better for almost all content

[frozen robin]

add me in ubisoft social, i might have a spare momento in there and i have other dupes of guns

(exotic)

[orchid kayak]

i have the back pak momento allready thank u man

[full stratus]

What is the best activity to do for Exodus Gloves btw?

[frozen robin]

i was told by a dude always go cherished no matter what but i will see if i have an equalizer in my box.. most my stuff that was yellow I have trashed in the bench

[subtle bluff]

You can't give gear/weapons just like that

[subtle bluff]

Retal... or TL them. Farming guide in the Pinned Messages.

[frozen robin]

cant you just drop them

[subtle bluff]

He's doesn't know what he was talking about.

[frozen robin]

okee its had you meet alot of randoms online and due to 6 kids 1 eye and 52 years old my game time is late at night

[orchid kayak]

u can drop stuff in same group i was ina group an did mission with them an they droped me loads of stuff

[subtle bluff]

You can share loot if they were in the same group when the loot dropped..

[frozen robin]

im hamratgaming in social if u want and i can drop stuff if u want it thati have dupes ive been scrapping the 3rd exotic dupes for later

just checking out the striker spreadsheet kinda makes alot more sense

[full stratus]

Didn't find out where it dropped, but I found the info about the gloves

[subtle bluff]

Starter Guide

[frozen robin]

apprecate the help just curious with this setup

with the lmg and St. Elmo's Engine as my striker stuffs been upgraded a few times I just got these gloves today is it worth going for the punch with the harder level or stay on challenging and stay with safe striker build with salvo and Equalizer

oops no equalizer onthat one

[halcyon crater]

This setup is for boss dps in the raids or incursion

[flint arch]

this is a specific setup for an incursion, it won't work well outside of it

[halcyon crater]

not meant for regular play

[frozen robin]

cool ill go back to the norm cheers big help appreciate it

hopefully after update no delta 3's and we get our loot back that went missing

@halcyon crater sent you a dm 🙂 hope you enjoy it
i love this game took 7 years off to do family then that just kept getting bigger so back loving it as much as i did back then

not time just ticks by waiting for dam update to finish

[exotic talon]

why not use lefty instead and stack bloody knuckles with sledge

[teal ibex]

so lexington.. what perk would u go to usually? measured or?

[soft crane]

Measured for group play, Killer for solo.

[teal ibex]

something else u can recom aside measured? i genuinely dont like it xD

[soft crane]

Forth and Back

[subtle bluff]

how much have you tried to use it?

[teal ibex]

a little. but i can try it see how it goes. im not super fan of faster/slow kinda mechanics

[subtle bluff]

Let me give so more theory for you why it's soo good.

[soft crane]

You know all you have to do is pull the trigger.

Back and Forth requires extra step. Pretty sure its been recommended several times here.

[teal ibex]

hey i can still first retry it. doesnt hurt

[lone violet]

match making for lower escal is so cheeks

[subtle bluff]

The higher RPM is actually brings up the Burst DPS. In cases 2nd we use this at max stacks or swapping to it from LMG help the TTK.
If burst wasn't the last 1/2 hits much harder where you can want to be more accuary with.

[subtle bluff]

Use public discord LFG's

[teal ibex]

fair point. like i said. it doesnt mean i like how it works. its kinda also a prefer pref i guess.
but still imma just try it out again. and see how it goes

[subtle bluff]

I really need to clip some of my escalation run to showcase some of these cases.

[teal ibex]

that would help yea haha.

[subtle bluff]

I'll say this.. I hit anywhere form 3-5 mill Crits with Measured on escalation but that's with a lot of DTH helping

Straight up Deleting Red adds feel really good.

[teal ibex]

with what build 😛

[subtle bluff]

escalation striker

[soft crane]

How many talents active at the same time?
Yes.

brrrr shiver me timbers.

Perhaps I should replace Killer with Measured.

[lone violet]

just saw a seeker support set up using mesured and btsu gloves interresting

but idk if tier 10 enemies can get staggered

[soft crane]

Wish I could use the force.

I want to become a jedi master after all.

[stone python]

May the 4th be with you

[exotic talon]

can vindictive compete with status specific amp talents

[gentle lichen]

What

[exotic talon]

on eclipse

[gentle lichen]

Well vindictive wants you to be the one who kills the ad and on an eclipse + group it's pretty much inconsistent

I'd stick with scorpio and maybe a perpetuation on second weapon

[exotic talon]

im running scorpio and ignite lex

[subtle bluff]

"Saw"

[lone violet]

yeah its yt but its use is to stagger enemies if your team dps is good to take advantage

[subtle bluff]

I know how it works better than most.

But using MA is backwards thinking of what the build is trying to do...

[upper yew]

what do you say ppl, I got Cdmg on the mag

would it be better if I put fire rate on the mag or nah ?

it has 136% Cdmg with the Cdmg mag

[blissful pecan]

Hi all, I need some good advice. What is currently the best way to level up my expertise? Cuz am trying donating its taking forever

[sudden cloak]

I prefer running the extra mag size from gunner for an extra 50 rounds

[soft crane]

If you want to dedicate yourself to grinding expertise, focus on Gearsets and Brandsets first. Loot them as junk everytime they dropped then donate them in the expertise. Once they're all done, except Yaahl brandset and System Corruption gearset, since those two sets are rarely found and only drops in DZ, look for someone who can host Houndsman bounty farm for named items. Once thats also done, farm gearmods and deconstruct every single one of them to get Printer Filaments, use it to donate stuffs that are difficult to be proficient in. Like skills or useless exotics for example.

[blissful pecan]

And if i go down this road grinding, am at lvl 15, how long will it take me to reach max

[sudden cloak]

For more rpm, you could slot in salvo

[soft crane]

Dunno. I'm at level 25 expertise myself.

[blissful pecan]

Oh boy, guess gunna take a long time lol

[upper yew]

I thought about that but I am running 4pc OD with overdawg and wicked backpack

[soft crane]

Expertise has always been that way.

[upper yew]

I personally go spam countdown with targeted loot to fill up gearsets

I am almost at level 7

[blissful pecan]

Is it worth that i reach expertise lvl 30 and upgrade to prototype or just do escalations?

[upper yew]

I am grinding for it since I finished almost all the content in the game

[sudden cloak]

I would say it's worth getting to expertise 30

[soft crane]

Reach expertise level 30 and upgrade to prototype. That way, one of your equipment attribute is guaranteed to be maxed out.

[blissful pecan]

Oh thats great i like

[upper yew]

btw remember to empty your bag after every round

those 150 slots look big but it fills up faster than you think

[livid sorrel]

countdown gives you like 60 items in one run

[junior lagoon]

what is the best talent on mg5? frenzy again?

[upper yew]

I forgot to empty the bag and just ran 2 cds in a row and at the extraction my bag filled up I missed like 2 weapons at the end

happened a few weeks ago

[devout iris]

anyone got builds for solo escalation?

[obtuse shoal]

Decent stats? Running 4 pc proto striker … need a good holster now because the holster I’m using is ehhh

[sudden cloak]

Striker chest but no striker bag?

Stats are fine, just curious as to why no striker bag

[obtuse shoal]

I have back as well

Guess I can go grupo for the holst

[sudden cloak]

Ah, I reading the previous image wrong, you could run fox's

Just remember, prototype stats don't apply in the raids/incursion

[ebon lantern]

If you were to use the GR9 for escelation. Would Measured be a good option? Gun just doesn't feel great with Frenzy.

[hybrid pelican]

I would just swap to mk46 for frenzy uptime. Frenzy op

[lone violet]

Want me to show you the set up?

[ebon lantern]

Yeah fair enough

[vernal wing]

What’s a good exotic piece to run with this gear set?

[hexed steppe]

imperial dynasty holster 🔥

[dawn solstice]

The 'PvP's a greater priority anyways' exotic-- Brand new this season, from the current climax mission I remember---

[vernal wing]

I wonder if Delta 3- Imp Hol resets the cooldown to proc burn.

[stone python]

Haahahahahahaahahahah Im cryingggg

[gray radish]

do you guys think system corruption gear had a prototype?🤯

[smoky latch]

Yes it has

[gray radish]

no way

[smoky latch]

But it's useless because you can't use it in the DZ 😛

And SysCor useless in the LZ in general

[gray radish]

welp i cant care less since it was in DZ

hate pvp tho

[smoky latch]

You do not want to use it in PvE

[next dawn]

INF does tinkerer still works if the 2 guns are different rarity?

[gray radish]

may i ask why?

[smoky latch]

Did you read its talent? It's not strong in PvE

[smoky latch]

You mean proto and non-proto?

It should work that way, yes

[next dawn]

perfect

2.7 mil body crit here I come

[smoky latch]

Here, proof if exists

[true oak]

dmg to armor is the way to go right ?

[next dawn]

Proto sys crop isnt good

[smoky latch]

CHC is

[next dawn]

CHC

[true oak]

okay

[smoky latch]

It's not - wtf do you need pulse res for? ^^

[next dawn]

for them pesty AI that have aim bot

[smoky latch]

If you want AoK - Gunner spec plus 1pc PS
If you want disrupt res. use HazPro

Several better options than SysCor in PvE

[next dawn]

don't use Sys Crop in pve period

[keen plank]

all my homies hate sys crap

[next dawn]

heartbreaker does it better tbh

[smoky latch]

It'll be a valid option again for PvP next season apparently

CS nerf, Bighorn nerf, SysCor buff IIRC, meta shift

[gray radish]

this is rare.. why didnt people talk about this?

[next dawn]

Bighorn nerf tf

[keen plank]

as long as they dont touch my troll shield build im good

[smoky latch]

Because it's simply useless

[exotic talon]

do we know what the cs nerf looks like?

[smoky latch]

You can read the PTS notes about it

[gray radish]

i wish system corruption work on pve too.. the name of that gear set is so cool

[smoky latch]

Why? You have HB basically for that. Is it really just cuz of the name? 😂

[gray radish]

its just sound badass yknow

[smoky latch]

Oh boy

[next dawn]

the rebalance is 33 pages long 😭

why you got to hurt me

[solar sable]

I'm sorry, WHAT?!

[next dawn]

https://canopy.ubisoft.com/AssetLink/p585d5023rx6u5g22b3353w0pim7p4dy.pdf

bruh everything is getting rebalanced

[solar sable]

Oh great heavens!

[next dawn]

good thing I step away from pvp a while ago I dont need to read all of it

[smoky latch]

Did you know that you can search for keywords in your browser? 😬

[next dawn]

ofc ik still good to read everything learned that the hard way

[exotic talon]

every talent is getting nerfed or readjusted, on top of pvp specific loadouts

oh god, 75% to 32% is brutal
at least make the new chest talent cap 40%

[next dawn]

holy damage nerfs across the board

[solar sable]

OVERDOGS FROM 30% TO 18%?!

[next dawn]

ttk is going up

[hazy steeple]

Just to make sure this is clear to everyone reading this: these are PvP-only changes.

[solar sable]

My God, who hurt them? 😂

[hazy steeple]

It should be noted as well, that skils, attributes, etc for PvP are also being changed in the future.

Full PvP re-balance.

[keen plank]

good thing they didnt nerf the cooler

[next dawn]

the lag switchers

[smoky latch]

Left side PvE, right side PvP

For no reason

[next dawn]

Rip CS got kinda gutted

[smoky latch]

Necessary for PvP

[solar sable]

Everything is getting a nerf including- wait, what did they do to NBB?

[smoky latch]

Same as Bighorn nerf

[exotic talon]

i mean cs will still be useful, and syscorr got better immediate benefits for longer cooldowns and less bonus armor

[solar sable]

Nothing, cool 🥴

[smoky latch]

Maybe we will see EB SysCor builds in PvP again

[next dawn]

F 6% to 1% on big horn

there goes my pvp big horn

[sudden cloak]

Guess pvp builds will change now

[smoky latch]

100%

[next dawn]

EB got 10% nerf

[sudden cloak]

I don't think EB needed a pvp nerf

[next dawn]

100% doesn't

its a slight nerf nothing that major

[smoky latch]

Bruh it's already limp d, why nerf even more? 😂

[next dawn]

idk man

[smoky latch]

Had been nerfed heavily already in the past

[next dawn]

damage reduction went from 80% max to 70%

-5 secs aswell

[weak pike]

Unbreakable got nuked too

[next dawn]

pretty sure thats the same

its always been 55%(P) 35%

unless Im high or something

[smoky latch]

I don't recall the exact values but it has been lower in PvP, yes

6% movement speed for Quickstep in PvP ^^

[exotic talon]

maybe they will adjust normalized core values as well, considering some of these nerfs seem uncalled for

[iron flame]

What named gear for healer builds should I look out for?

[smoky latch]

The Setup

[smoky latch]

There are no plans for CS PvE changes that I can see

[vernal wing]

Benefactor with Perfect Empathic Resolve is good to have but almost never used

[next dawn]

its not that viable in pve tbh

[smoky latch]

Empathic*

[smoky latch]

Like 20 other gear sets. Time for a re-work in PvE too

[exotic talon]

no i mean lower the literal armor and weapon dmg attribute values on everything for pvp stats

[smoky latch]

Ah

[next dawn]

there's going to be another uproar

[smoky latch]

That's what the "normalized" DZ is for AFAIK

[smoky latch]

Ppl already whining that Escalation is dominated by Striker's and FI

[next dawn]

true true

whats another 20 rebalance gonna do lol

[dawn solstice]

Normalised just removes shd lvls and expertise, yah.

[smoky latch]

For one they wouldn't have to spend time and resources for coming up with new sets that'll be forgotten already the next season

[dawn solstice]

And honestly, if we just think about it for a second, there's NO way in Hell they'll be making major changes for anything PvE-wise, because that'll just basically make ALL their PvP decisions and changes moot and poorly-tuned and everything---

So we're stuck with bad Patriot forever, sadge.

😔

[next dawn]

I would like to see buffs to alot of the gear sets

[pastel pivot]

Did Tipping Scales , Bluescreen fall off? ( First day back from Hiatus )

[lone violet]

Who even ran SC?

[smoky latch]

Was meta years ago

[lone violet]

Also here’s that build I saw

[smoky latch]

More pixels pls

Can't identify much lol

What are the kneepads?

Is that Alps Summit?

[tulip charm]

No btsu?

[next dawn]

I cant tell

[smoky latch]

I think it's Alps

You want Alps gloves tho in combo with The Setup

[next dawn]

my eyes hurt looking at it

[smoky latch]

So that you can easily switch to Birdie's or BTSU

[solar sable]

What augment do you guys think is a BiS for Support builds?
Quantum is my guess

[smoky latch]

Ye I'll got for that, especially since it will get a buff lol

[tulip charm]

atomic /s

gotta abuse fire nades

[next dawn]

amalgam is also good

[lone violet]

To stagger enemies and take advantage to dps them down

[next dawn]

oh just a cluster mine set up

[lone violet]

Ye

[next dawn]

neat

[smoky latch]

Seeker spam build can be useful, yeah

I'd go get a CL chest with GC tho

[next dawn]

heard it works well in escalation

[lone violet]

Can enemies be staggered in higher escal?

[smoky latch]

Having 3 DPS 1 healer in the higher tiers is much preferred

Depends if they have certain mutators or not

[next dawn]

well duuuh for t8+

[lone violet]

Well i got the striker frenzy set up

[next dawn]

striker frenzy is standard tbh

[lone violet]

Also I’m looking at the lfg why do people wanna suffer in Wall Street?

[next dawn]

TS tinkerer is also good

[smoky latch]

I'll suffer too

[next dawn]

Striker TL

they do anything for proto striker lol

[lone violet]

Nah fam the last group I was with we was doing fine until rouge agents pulled up

[smoky latch]

It's also a challenge. I rather run that mission in high Escalations than Art Museum

[next dawn]

F them rouge agents and their 1 billion armor and hp

[lone violet]

And fixer drone

[next dawn]

sniper turret

[smoky latch]

The mutators are the only annoying part. Without them it'd be less of a pain

[lone violet]

It’s like why use fixture drone MY AGENT WE THE VICTIMS

also Tinker with TS? Do tell

[next dawn]

Hot foot is the most annoying one

[lone violet]

Getting shocked if you stay still is annoying

[smoky latch]

I meant the NPC mutators on rogues

[next dawn]

Tipping scale with tinkerer mask with mesured and frenzy lmgs

[smoky latch]

Hot Foot was slitghly annoying in the beginning but you get used to it

[next dawn]

just move around in cover

[lone violet]

So what’s better striker frenzy or TS tinker frenzy

[next dawn]

its like apple and oranges

[smoky latch]

Striker's due to how the set works. Damage ceiling wise not much of a difference and TS might even be ahead slightly

[lone violet]

I wanna try tinker Frezny tbh but what would the other lmg talent needed?

[next dawn]

but 2100 rof for my GR9

[lone violet]

And do both weapons need to be the same?

[blissful pecan]

can any1 tell me what is the current best build for sheriff?

[next dawn]

same type ie Lmg and lmg

[lone violet]

Ok so I see a thumbs up what is the preferred talent on the other lmg?

[next dawn]

none it more of a support weapon

[next dawn]

measured

[blissful pecan]

i heard it has insane dmg

[solar sable]

It does not. It's just a weaker M870 IMO.

[lone violet]

I see if it’s ok can I see your set up so I know what parts to go for

[smoky latch]

Run it with a Striker's build, perhaps with Salvo

[next dawn]

i dont got the game installed XD

[lone violet]

Ooof

[blissful pecan]

is it worth the build for sheriff? or is it a bad gun?

[lone violet]

So tinker mask 4pc TS what else is needed

[smoky latch]

It's usually a good secondary, not much a primary

If you wanna run it alongside a LMG it's cool

[next dawn]

contractor gloves imo

[lone violet]

Got them with max atri

So TS I want CHD/CHC then

[next dawn]

if its for escalation use hollow mask instead

[next dawn]

all chc first

[lone violet]

Oh I uh never gotten that mask

[smoky latch]

A prototyped Hollow Man is really good

[next dawn]

Dz exclusive you can get them through named item caches or houndsman bounty

[lone violet]

Bet I will try to find someone with bondsman bounty

[next dawn]

you gonna need to farm it for a while

[lone violet]

How come?

[smoky latch]

Bloated loot pool

[lone violet]

I wish I can have my current gear prototype tbh I wanted to do smth with SCD and having my drones apply status effects tbh

[smoky latch]

You can but it will take a good while

Given you're expertise 30, ofc

[lone violet]

Lvl 30 expert I know atp it’s just gambling the pieces

[smoky latch]

yup, that's what they want us to do

Without recalibration however, even more frustrating

For unicorns especially

[dawn solstice]

Don't worry, they'll realise the error of their ways and make protot as convenient as high-end farming and optimisation 1 - 3 years down the line.

😀

[smoky latch]

It would make more sense if you would get benefits from wearing it, protecting you from Deltas lol

[brittle drift]

I don't need this set. You can get it without farming

[dawn solstice]

That's EXACTLY why it doesn't. 😀😀

[weak pike]

Now that's meta

[brittle drift]

Just played t2 wall street. Teammate had ninja backpack, 3pc uzina and 2pc cavalier. Hazpro all the way. We got smashed

[keen plank]

Bros in the dark zone be like

[smoky latch]

What you need are the three magic letters: D, P and S

[weak pike]

Retaliation,go 2 for 3 then get noped by the ai

[weak pike]

Yeah no just get rid of the voting in kicking people

[smoky latch]

The 2 minute countdown before you can kick people is mad annoying

[weak pike]

I agree

[iron flame]

What attributes am I looking for on The Setup for healer build?

[lost wren]

repair skills and skill haste

[iron flame]

Do I change off the blue core to red or even yellow

[silk nest]

For a pure healer you probably want yellow. Red core is for when you make some support build like OD.

But it will be very hard to get 2 attributes you want on setup.

Most likely you will be stuck with blue anyhow. Or gonna have to use one of haste or repairs.

[solar sable]

No, to a Skill Tier. A red as a healer is useless.

[lone violet]

lfg be hard to find someone with the bounty

[subtle bluff]

For reference above.

[quiet wren]

apart from the gear listed in the starter guide, any onther pieces I should keep?? I already have a striker build, and working towards an OD LMG build, and the FI healer build. Trying to clear some stash space and get rid of good rolled gear, but with no important grearset.

also, any tank builds recommended?

[lost wren]

keep blue if running technician, switch to yellow if survivalist

[subtle bluff]

Are talking about the keep list?

[iron flame]

tysm

[quiet wren]

yes, the 3 keep lists actually haha

[subtle bluff]

Making sure.

[lone violet]

so hollow man mask and what pieces i also need for TS

[stone python]

@ Mods sorry i posted a Delta meme

[icy jasper]

Thank the Lord they fixed the inventory thingy I can now change load outs

N I think I got my mods back n other stuff

Mb wrong channel

[vernal wing]

Did you get Delta’d from the discord? 😂 or are we not allowed to make delta jokes?

[lone violet]

@subtle bluff

[stone python]

I dm'ed you

It will get deleted by mods

[calm summit]

😂

[calm summit]

It was funny

[stone python]

is this piece good for any skill build?

[lone violet]

nice

[stone python]

reroll weapon handling to CHD

[lone violet]

bet and what pieces of TS do i need once i get the hollow man?

@stone python trying to get a TS ready for escal

@next dawn

[stone python]

This is my TS build

[next dawn]

Chest, backpack holster and kneepads

[lone violet]

and roll CHC/CHD

[hearty plinth]

im kinda going for the same thing

[stone python]

Chest? isn't Equilizer the best in slot for TS?

[next dawn]

Not in escalation you can build stacks faster in escalation and get more damage

[stone python]

My friend in TS you dont need to get stacks faster, unlike strickers

[next dawn]

More stacks = more chd

[dawn solstice]

Tipping chest only a 5% improvement over Equalizer, at best--

[stone python]

TS chest piece isnt needed

[next dawn]

Sure whatever you say kiddo

[solar sable]

Yes, you do get more DMG but you also have to dig in deeper in terms of actual combat. Firing an LMG for too long will suppress enemies much quickly and frequently. This isn't something that the team will appreciate most of the time. Suppressing enemies does maintain TS stacks but in exchange encounters will take longer than desired.

There's a lot of things to say about TS in high tier Escalations.

Also, the non-crit hits with TS are painful to look at.

[dawn solstice]

Tipping Scales Oblit. is actually more dmg than Striker's Oblit.--

[next dawn]

You are ignoring chunks and heavy units but ok

[solar sable]

Again, TS doesn't compete due to the DMG ramp up being very noticeable. Get health-gated and your stacks are gone while you recover.

[dawn solstice]

Yah, ofc, in terms of consistency, can't beat Striker's.

But those are 2 separate categories-- Dmg, and consistency.

[lone violet]

would overdogs work?

[solar sable]

• striker builds stacks fast, loses stacks slowly
• TS takes 10 seconds to build up stacks each fight, and loses stacks very easily
• suppression doesn't give you more damage. it makes you lose damage because dttooc isn't there anymore
• higher damage numbers aren't everything, clear time matters most, which means dps matters most, and striker clear times almost always beat TS

Found this, took me a while.

[dawn solstice]

Again, damage potential is one thing, and consistency is another, so I get it, dw---

[solar sable]

I'm not arguing here lol
Just trying to point out why the debate about TS vs Striker’s is just not it

[keen plank]

Sorry bro cant hear you over the sound of m60 firing
doesnt stop

[dawn solstice]

Yah, I get it, I'm just saying specific terminology exists for a reason; so we don't get bogged down in specific details all the time and everything.

[solar sable]

Reminded me of that Shrek scene of him being interrupted by the boat horn

[lone violet]

just need hounds man and im good

[subtle bluff]

PGC or Equalizer, Overdogs

[junior lagoon]

Is there a preferred augment setup for strikers builds? All echo?

[smoky latch]

Hollow Man 😄

[smoky latch]

Subjective. Either all Echo or one Amalgam mixed in

[weak pike]

Was thinking about doing all amalgum for fun

[smoky latch]

Bit overkill if you consider that there are SE resistance mutators in Escalations

The higher the tier, the higher the probability that NPCs get one

If you have one Amalgam your damage doesn't suffer

I am not able to test different setups as the stuff if expensive af and I don't think I have replicas of my setup yet to roll different augments on them lol

[weary condor]

in general, for incursion and higher tier escalation, do I want to have a coyote mask striker build or overdogs?

[smoky latch]

Incursion has nothing to do with Escalations. Maybe @subtle bluff could give you some pointers regarding the incursion

[subtle bluff]

murr?

[smoky latch]

I think he asks for help with incursion builds

[subtle bluff]

it's in the striker guide

[weary condor]

no just is overdogs or coyote better I haven't seen the guide

[subtle bluff]

4x Striker Chest + BP, any ACS12

[smoky latch]

Striker's Guide

[subtle bluff]

Overdogs other than PGC give the biggest boost to dmg..

[weary condor]

but is it active most of the time? or do you have to pretty actively seek it out

[subtle bluff]

I never seek it out in incursion

You don't need to run it too

We didn't have it for the first 2 years of doing it and had no problems. Things just die much quicker with it on.

[weary condor]

gotcha

[subtle bluff]

there's a simple showcase in my bio for incursion

[weary condor]

yeah I just started with a few of my friends and they're telling me overdogs are a hassle and not active most of the time, I haven't really used them to know

[subtle bluff]

lol they don't know how it work that means

It not being on doesn't kill yoru base dmg.

[weary condor]

VERY possible

[subtle bluff]

It's just extra amazing dmg.

[junior lagoon]

I heard somewhere 1 quantum? Nonsense?

[subtle bluff]

In this show case we're even using 2 low low SHD players with sub par builds with just the base build being good enough

and the knowledge of where to be, at the right time, to do the right thing.

[weary condor]

also I love St Elmo's but is it noticeably worse than a famas or police M4

[subtle bluff]

in burst yes but sustain it wins

For incursion you need a mix due to elites being +20m HP

[weary condor]

I just need one more week until lexington, then an XP event so I can get the watch done. I feel like a bum without the free 10% crit chance and stuff

[subtle bluff]

I don't use an AR in incursion

[lost wren]

yeah don't you use backfire in incursion?

[subtle bluff]

Yup.

But I never tell players on there FTC to run it due to too learning the rest of it.

I wanna fit our meme all BK run in my bio but char limit D=

[weary condor]

backfire is just from caches atp right?

[subtle bluff]

that showcase really shows how powerful Overdogs is lol.

It's in your general loot, just like any other exo.

Either TL it and/or retal for blueprint at the same time.

[weary condor]

idk how the blueprint system works at all, I'm still confused how people even hit expertise 30, jsut 102912049 hours?

[subtle bluff]

in the Starter Guide the Pinned Messages will explain it.

[weary condor]

I'll check them out, never done a retal I didn't know they were good

[rocky igloo]

hey guys any damage reduction builds were i can go toe to toe with the npcs and not die like with a sheild but without the sheild i wanna stand there and take the damage

[solar sable]

So... a tank?

[smoky latch]

Superman build

Godmode plus insane damage 😬

There are builds where you can situationally tank damage, but it's niche

Since you won't come far with that, we urge new players to adapt to the cover shooter mechanic and practice playing DPS builds. That gets you much further in the game

[weary condor]

how appreciated is it to be a good guy and play refrac for the team? I get kicked a lot bc low watch level and dk what I can do other than grinding my xp to stay

[smoky latch]

Depends on your build. If you run the right build then Refactor players are welcomed in most activities

[subtle bluff]

To that degree not really.

[soft crane]

@subtle bluff @smoky latch Help me set up a build with this new gearset.

[smoky latch]

Yeah I've seen that lol

[buoyant perch]

Kicked in what activity? If it's countdown, I will kick refactor builds on days ending with -day.

[subtle bluff]

Saw it when it was first posted.

[subtle bluff]

Hence the starter guide points you to have striker for CD.

[tame spear]

hello all, last i played was on xbox when memento was the new thing to play with lol. decided to jump back on the pc end(miss all my cosmetics rip) sitting at 56% CHC and 73%CHD any pointers or tips how to improve off this? shotgun is just temp till i get a acs12 and find someone to let me get quickstep lol.

[lost wren]

at that shd maybe ceska chest with obliterate will be better, but the build itself seems fine

[solar sable]

You don't need ACS-12 there. You're better off with a Converted SMG-9 w/Unwavering or Measured.

[tame spear]

noted, appreciate it back to countdown we go. thanks!

so the ceska chest would be better than the equalizer with perfect obliterate cause of the chc set bonus?

[grand girder]

at the moment yeah, im assuming you have some crit chance mods on? it'd allow for one of them to become chd

once you get higher shd level you could probably make the switch back

[dawn solstice]

Equalizer better, but max out crit chance in your watch first basically.

You could go with Overdogs also as the exotic gear piece; I can send over a video talking about how to get all the different exotics, including Overdogs.

And yah, for Equalizer Striker, smg secondary is better; Striker with gearset chest piece, ACS secondary is better.

[tame spear]

ive been getting lucky with countdown got elmo first run and coyote after 3 lol

[dawn solstice]

Noice. 😎😎

[tame spear]

been the only thing im grinding out every thing i dont use gets ripped apart for library then donate the rest got a few slots already maxed in everything in library as is.

[dawn solstice]

Yah, wanna make the shift over to Retaliation at some point tho; more rewarding with chests and stuff, but also just more fun tbh.

I can send a video about it too.

Tho Countdown does give you a resource you almost can't find anywhere else, which is SHD calibrations.

Needed for improving basically any sort of weapon or gear.

[tame spear]

loved this game but thought it was a goner a while ago wont lie..stayed clinged to destiny 2 since day 1 but as we know destiny 2 has finaly put the last nail in the coffine and div2 has a healthy roadmap and div3 in the future so were back lol bet yeah send that if ya dont mine appreciate it.

[dawn solstice]

Dunno how people could keep up with Destiny 2 with all those paid DLCs, ong.

😭😭

[tame spear]

biggest money sink ever but i absolutely enjoyed every second of it. gonna miss them day one raids staying up for 24 hours straight on 1 encounter lmaoo game was aesthetically pleasing and space magic is boss lol

[dawn solstice]

Yah, might have similar fun with the raids in Div 2 as well-- Not gonna be as nightmarish as Destiny raids, dw. 🤣😭😭

[tame spear]

i used to run whatever raid dropped the eagle bearer? ar when it dropped def was fun as hell gonna be sinking what ever time i get now into div2 for sure between kids and dailying a 32 year old jeep most of my free time is there lmaoo

[weary condor]

idk man, it's people past 10k watch level who host with these abysmal builds that do no damage and then type in chat striker or kick

[subtle bluff]

make your own CD

[weary condor]

yeah I usually do

haven't had a great time matchmaking, most people seem to be toxic and worried about you more than themself

[lone violet]

for hollow mask do i want CHD or CHC?

[solar sable]

any

[subtle bluff]

to note: Hollowman isn't worth to use unless it's all Red and Proto.

[lone violet]

so what do i use then for now?

[subtle bluff]

Overdogs and Ceska

[stone python]

is this a good Stricker's build?

[dawn solstice]

Idk, could add more stickers in there if you ask me--

[upbeat crystal]

Is there any good youtube videos I can watch to learn how to gear up better? Just came back after like 4 years and have no idea how to get any better gear

[subtle bluff]

We don't have we can suggest we just have a Starter Guide.

[subtle bluff]

"strickers "?

[dawn solstice]

Sent a vid in DMs-- 😀😀

[stone python]

was exited for proto gear shift, but then i saw the attributes...

delete?

[dawn solstice]

Just use high-end Gear Shift--

😀

[subtle bluff]

or don't use it.

[subtle bluff]

As long as there not any of the bad YT videos you can share here.

[stone python]

Do you think hazpro strikers will work with Backfire?

[urban latch]

its not ideal

[stone python]

Anyone care to share a good Strikers build?

[subtle bluff]

It's in the striker guide

[buoyant perch]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16HdKj8x-LlXJCcVPAWNZWIb0SXcQOmAfAh1cHYYsxwI/edit?tab=t.0

You kinda need to understand how the builds (yes, multiple) work and for what content

[stone python]

Escal

[buoyant perch]

It's in there

[hazy steeple]

@versed kestrel No self promo.

[subtle bluff]

AI generated slop...

[stone python]

How can i get hollow man mask with red rolls :/?

[smoky latch]

It needs to drop/be crafted with CHC or CHD so you can roll the core to WD

Then you have to prototype it yourself

[solar sable]

It's also a blue core mask, gotta pray RNG to get it dropped with a red.

[stone python]

it cant drop with red core att right?

[solar sable]

Nope.

[stone python]

Keep or re roll?

[dawn solstice]

If you wanna lose another 100+ exotic components, sure, re-roll.

😀

[stone python]

what im looking for

[solar sable]

Both crits and WH.

[stone python]

It can roll weapon damage? 😮

wow

so it need to have weapon damage Both crits + WH

[solar sable]

🦄

[stone python]

Guess what

[solar sable]

No you didnt

[stone python]

Not Unicorn tho :/

:((((((

keep?

[dawn solstice]

Kek, I told u.

[solar sable]

keep it

[dawn solstice]

Could get a new Investor to re-roll instead, sure--

[stone python]

i have 5 of them

[dawn solstice]

Back down to 0 exo comps soon then. 😀😭

[stone python]

i have 250

[dawn solstice]

It will take 250, or even more for all red, dw-- 😀😭

[subtle bluff]

Investor isn't worth investing into.

[hazy steeple]

Did I miss something, why are people spending hundreds of exo comps to get that full red?

[dawn solstice]

I dunno-- Hype, and/or gambling addicitons--

[stone python]

You feel special, RNG love

[dawn solstice]

Gambling addictions, got it--

[flint arch]

if you got your investor to full red manually, congratulations on wasting 100+ exo components to get an exotic that is worse than coyote's

[brazen oak]

best lmg's for tippiing scales build?

[dawn solstice]

Whiplash became meta for Tipping, unless you wanna use an exotic lmg and/or Quickstep.

With Whiplash, RPK; without Whiplash, M60.

Unless Frenzy, then Negev or MK46/M249.

[brazen oak]

is whiplash a pistol?

or am i geeking

[dawn solstice]

Yah, new exotic pistol from new climax manhunt.

[brazen oak]

yeah i dont have that yet

i do have pestilence big alejandro and bullet king rn tho

im still farming to just get the equipment i want for my build (equalizer chest and overdogs)

[dawn solstice]

Best lmg for dmg in Tipping is Alejandro, unless you wanna go Frenzy.

[brazen oak]

mk

[stone python]

Skill unicorn?

[dawn solstice]

Yah, might wanna save that--

[plush cloak]

Did first bloom perk get buffed? I feel like I’m doing a lot more damage in the range than I did a couple weeks ago.

[dawn solstice]

Nah, it just depends on whether enemy has health only, or both health AND armor.

Health only, First Bloom more devastating cuz starting at 33% amp PLUS 21% health dmg from ar attribute.

Health and armor, once u reach health, 16.5% amp plus 21% from ar attribute.

[plush cloak]

At full striker stacks I feel like it’s keeping pace with non-proto Lex with killer. I feel like it didn’t used to but maybe I’m misremembering

[subtle bluff]

It's not you just think so.

Super blunt

[dawn solstice]

Nah, Killer and Streamline beat out First Bloom.

[dawn solstice]

Could be a choice if you're going Measured instead, maybe.

[subtle bluff]

First Bloom can't do that....

[soft crane]

Oh thats a good one.

[plush cloak]

I think I’m testing against named in the range whereas I wasn’t before. That should be the best possible scenario for first bloom. Also my first bloom is prototyped and the Lex isn’t.

And in only expertise 8

[dawn solstice]

No, worst, because both armor and health.

Best scenario is just full on health, no armor whatsoever.

[plush cloak]

First bloom reads combined armor and health?

[dawn solstice]

The very best is dealing its full talent dmg + ar health attribute dmg to armor plates to enemies with health bars only.

[dawn solstice]

If no armor to begin with, game calculates health as 100% point.

[dawn solstice]

Goes back to what I said starting here basically.

[plush cloak]

Maybe I don’t understand the DPS # in the range then. Thank you anyway for the help

[livid sorrel]

Range dps meter doesn't work properly, it's only useful for getting single damage numbers

[dawn solstice]

Yah, talent is finnicky like that, so probs dps numbers in shooting range not the best--

[dawn solstice]

I can send a video diving into it a bit if you'd like, yah.

[plush cloak]

Sure! Thank you!

[hybrid leaf]

I really really need unit alloys to get on rotation haha

Ideally DCD for easy T10s haha I want equalizerrrr

[subtle bear]

doing 1.2mil damage on striker build with a few gear set being proto can it go higher then that ??

[timber cove]

are you able to tinker with attributes on prototype gear like you do with regular gear? or is it all luck of the draw?

[subtle bear]

idk

[flint arch]

once it's proto'd it's all fixed. only thing that can be changed is the augment

[timber cove]

ahhh i see, thank you, i need to get my expertise up so i can protype my gear lol

[subtle bluff]

or just do escalation with good build

[timber cove]

was running escalations, been a bit rough with the drops along with group lol

[high dagger]

does striker stacks is lost if I switch my backpack to birdie? Just so I can revive faster

[dawn solstice]

As long as ur backpack is not Striker backpack, u can switch as many times as u want without losing anything, yah---

[high dagger]

I see, but my dmg kinda dropped when I didn't use the backpack. Any advice?

This is what I have in mind

[dawn solstice]

Yah, that's the drawback; the backpack adds an additional 50% on top, if u're also using Striker chest; vigilance is only 25% ofc.

[dawn solstice]

U can test out in the shooting range what happens when you get stacks and then switch to Birdie's, but def gonna need to run 5 piece Striker's in that case, or hotswap out either gloves or holster for a Striker piece when you also swap in Birdie's, yah.

[high dagger]

that complicates things, 5 pieces striker would mean I sacrifices a stat...
Alright I'll try some things out. Thx

[dawn solstice]

Yah, all-around a pain, so def wanna think it through.

[dawn solstice]

Or if u REALLY wanna use Birdie's without worrying about anything, there's always Umbra---

[onyx sage]

learn to hotswap, so you can swap to it when you need to and swap back

[solar sable]

plot twist, there's no plot twist

[onyx sage]

for example, you can create a dummy loadout with birdie's as the first loadout, and then use loadout sort, that will let you put birdie's right next to your current backpack

can just swap immediately to and from it

[high dagger]

THAT would be so much better. Like this?

[wary belfry]

am i able to get dttoc and health on st elmo?

[onyx sage]

yeah, i use 2 dummy loadouts to put 2 exo pieces and 2 exo weapons that i need the most up top

you can always shuffle them around if you have a free slot

[solar sable]

cores are fixed, they dont change

[last cove]

Yall think a ST Elmo’s is better than the Lexington or anything else that could fit the role

[dawn solstice]

Bighorn best, ong.

But ofc for pure dmg; Elmo's is for that unique shock crowd control.

[last cove]

My Lexington is pretty good but it lacks a little umph

[livid sorrel]

ar always has health damage

[livid sorrel]

elmo has more sustain dmg lex has more burst dmg

[last cove]

I just need a little bit bigger of a mag and it’ll be goated

[dawn solstice]

Most powerful talents end up being Killer or Streamline; if you're going into modes where enemies don't die so easily/fast, like escalation, Killer isn't a pick--

[livid sorrel]

i always use the gunner mag

[last cove]

AR not LMG

[dawn solstice]

You can kinda resolve that with Whiplash tbh.

[last cove]

At least I think it doesn’t have it

[livid sorrel]

right i forgot the +20 mag isnt tied to gunner

[last cove]

I’m not that far into the game

I’m trying to get that far

[dawn solstice]

You can get the pistol that cancels reloads from the new climax manhunt mission; it'll only cancel out every 2nd reload of the Lexington tho--

Helps A LOT with sustain, other than adding extra bullets per mag, yah.

[last cove]

This climax?

[dawn solstice]

Yeeeee. Brand new and everything.

[last cove]

Like middle Manhunt objective?

[shy willow]

It's easier just to throw on centurion or just deal with it as is

[dawn solstice]

Nah, final ultimate thing--

[dawn solstice]

Centurion a pain if you keep using ur sidearm too, like with Quickstep-- 😭😭

[last cove]

Am I like a idiot or something

[dawn solstice]

Wdym---

[last cove]

Are we not there yet?

[livid sorrel]

you can do the manhunt now, just have to do the hvts first

[dawn solstice]

Yah, but you gotta do the 3 HVTs (The ones shaped like squares instead of circles).

[last cove]

I got that

[dawn solstice]

Or just join someone who's hosting in #lfg for xbox fr.

[last cove]

Nah I’m fine with doing the HVT missions

[fiery mantle]

?

[shy willow]

?????

[dawn solstice]

Dayumn, screen brighter than my future.

But yah, amazing build. 😎😎

[subtle bluff]

Take off Hollowman it's not worth if it's not Red and Proto

[fiery mantle]

From a friend: Is the build good?

[subtle bluff]

It should be overdogs instead.

eh ok...

Wrong Mask and glove. Not enough CHC.

[fiery mantle]

[subtle bluff]

Killer as secondary is meh depending on your playstyle.

You're missing around min 36% dmg

[fiery mantle]

With killer i snack the red

[subtle bluff]

Hence depending on your playstyle.

[fiery mantle]

I can use the coyote give me more chance and team... Then I can take more in crit damage?

Share youre 200striker pls

For escalation t5+

[subtle bluff]

I already explain what's wrong with the build.

[smoky latch]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16HdKj8x-LlXJCcVPAWNZWIb0SXcQOmAfAh1cHYYsxwI/edit?usp=drivesdk

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WN7sbuP2TEcVaY9fg2PSRbPLS7w4cD80edBQ9JwNoCo/edit?usp=drivesdk

Those are a Striker's guide and an Escalations guide

[fiery mantle]

I don't want a guide lulz

I want a picture or 2 changes xD

[livid sorrel]

what we're gonna tell you is the same as what the guide tells you

[smoky latch]

Build suggestions including meta are in there lulz

[fiery mantle]

Which talent on a new Lexington?

[livid sorrel]

Get an all red hollow man and proto that and use overdogs

[fiery mantle]

I can't craft hollow men, have 0 only a proto drop with blue core

[subtle bluff]

There are pics in the guide....... ||lazy...||

[livid sorrel]

Get it from named caches

[onyx sage]

you don't need hollow man to finish that build

[lost wren]

could run ceska instead of hollow man

[livid sorrel]

Yeah, i just use foxes

[onyx sage]

ceska overdogs, ceska contractors, ceska fox, etc. or even gift + sacrifice

[subtle bluff]

Btw... I'm not in game to share pics so that's why we're point to guide because they have picture and have all the answer you're asking.

You had to read more here than the guide.

[fiery mantle]

Talent on Lexington?😊

[onyx sage]

measured

[solar sable]

Measured for groups, Killer is fine for solo

[onyx sage]

for escal it's just gonna be measured

[fiery mantle]

Right?

[onyx sage]

yes

[fiery mantle]

Thanks agents, I'm done for the first time... Hope for better drops now

[soft crane]

Tier 69 Escalation build.

[soft crane]

400 stacks, trust.

[pliant scarab]

ummmm is there a Mr. Chow here ? Jayko told me to come to you for build advice

[fiery mantle]

Haha

[fiery mantle]

Tier 69 on Nemesis?

[pliant scarab]

I uhh just reached lvl 40 shd lvl 1 and I dunno what to do now there's just a ton of things to do and I don't know anything about anything lol

[livid sorrel]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Tc2UDqrX0vBw-f18opih3idHlueXN7ca2HSEP_yAZDM/edit?tab=t.0

[fiery mantle]

Go in the white House and take the shd watch

[dawn solstice]

What happened to the vids I sent u tho--- 😭😭

[pliant scarab]

watching both of them while reading the above google doc lol I am a multitasker (adhd)

[dawn solstice]

Really should take things one at a time if you ask me, but you do you boss--

One thing explaining the pure basics, while the other thing explaining the ultimate formation and goal of all the basics combined at the exact same time, ong.

[subtle bluff]

what are these videos?

You keep DM'ing people

[dawn solstice]

Basics. Just intro to all the different mechanics and shiz.

[fiery mantle]

Media

[subtle bluff]

who's

[dawn solstice]

Not build videos, dw--

[dawn solstice]

I'll send to ur DMs.

[subtle bluff]

Is it yours?

[dawn solstice]

Ofc not-- 😭😭

[subtle bluff]

You can post it here

[dawn solstice]

Sure I guess--

https://youtu.be/KdOyoQdFAy8?si=VtgypmnSC09VaYAE

https://youtu.be/GPabAaAy0yc?si=2QHTJqkAfEsXPa3X

[fiery mantle]

[livid sorrel]

Eh could be worse

[dawn solstice]

I'd rarely suggest YT build videos fr.

[subtle bluff]

Yup. I just don't like the order they explain things in

I use to use rogue gold for one of my other guides.

[dawn solstice]

Yah, but best I could find that cover everything; start with 1st one, then with 2nd one.

[subtle bluff]

Nah I get it. I'd just reference to the guides as well. Lil mor ein-depth to top it off.

[dawn solstice]

If I was knowledgable on the guides and what was in them and everything, I'd reference them too, but really have zero clue cuz not interested enough yet fr.

[subtle bluff]

Point the Pinned Messages and link the videos to reference them.

The main idea with the guide and starting players is to get them get the basic library and some exp going.

[dawn solstice]

Yah, like I said, just not comfortable recommending stuff I didn't at least look through first; not saying the guides are bad or anything negative, just a me thing I guess--

[subtle bluff]

Same why I am asking what video you've sending

But I asked and looked at the video.

[dawn solstice]

Yah, u were interested enough to look through it.

Me, still not interested enough to look through written guides fr.

[subtle bluff]

Just click to look at eh first page even?

[dawn solstice]

Maybe at some point, but I'm comfy with being smart enough to figure out the good YT vids out there tbh.

[subtle bluff]

The reason I started the guide then we added on to is to answer all the question that would be asked from a new player.

[dawn solstice]

Yah, the videos I choose are just for introductions to stuff; if they still have even more questions, I can answer them, or one of you guys that know about the guides better than me can tell them about them, yah.

[soft crane]

@pliant scarab Forgot to tell you to set targeted loot to Striker.

[dawn solstice]

Geez, that's a nightmare to keep up to date I bet--

[subtle bluff]

He read the guide.

Not really. We've only updated with UA becoming meta vs Ceska that's really it.

Easier than videos.

[dawn solstice]

Yah, I meant like, if there are UI changes in the game. 💀💀

[subtle bluff]

Doesn't really change...

[pliant scarab]

okieeeeee :D

[subtle bluff]

I've had to update my FI guide more than any other guide for this season...

[fierce ether]

If i want to do a build using carnage for event, what is the best set for it?

Iron lung+striker goes well?

[buoyant perch]

Ongoing directive

[hazy steeple]

Ongoing Directive, hands down.

OD is basically the meta build for this whole Event.
It's good to the point that I had to double-check I was running Heroic missions and not Normal.

Just shoot from far enough away that you don't get hit by the purple flame, and you're solid.

[fierce ether]

Nice, it is in ping message?

[hazy steeple]

(there's a full guide in the spreadsheet for it )

[fierce ether]

Perfect!

Gear shift+whisplash should work fine too (not for corrosive event)

Just have to be bang bang with perfect measured

[dawn solstice]

Bros finally realising the Whiplash meta as I have.

[exotic talon]

is vigilance amp or total wd

[dawn solstice]

Twd--

[smoky latch]

TWD

[dawn solstice]

Opportunistic is what you're thinking of for amp, yah--

[smoky latch]

Well, Striker's text is also wrong; stuff like that can easily add to confusion

[dawn solstice]

I find the Spotter one the funniest.

'Amplifies total weapon damage and skill damage' And only weapon damage and skill damage are highlighted SPECIFICALLY.

And ofc the percentage amount.

[exotic talon]

so if i were to run nbb and make the most of what mmr damage i can get from it...

[dawn solstice]

What's nbb again--

[soft crane]

Ninjabike Backpack

[dawn solstice]

Ahhhhhhhh.

You can tell how much I hate ninjabike by not knowing nbb.

😀

[soft crane]

Evil Mr. Chow be like: Ninjabike Backpack is really good, I recommend using because its the most versatile exotic gear in the game.

[smoky latch]

Not enough lol

[soft crane]

pls dont kill me

[dawn solstice]

And yah, ninjabike isn't meta for mmr builds---

[smoky latch]

It's not meta for anything

[dawn solstice]

Well......

Hunter's fury + 3 Imminence.

[smoky latch]

Sucks in PvE, in PvE it's good but there are also better alternatives

[dawn solstice]

And even for 1 Unit and 1 Fenris + whatever gearset.

Would work with Umbra best probs--

[smoky latch]

Yeah, PvP

Umbra PvE is also limp d

[dawn solstice]

Nah, Umbra good in PvE.

Sure, not top, but a challenger nonetheless.

[shy willow]

Eh, hardly

[dawn solstice]

And starting off at max shouldn't be disregarded so easily--

[shy willow]

Super meta in PvP but it'll never compete with ND or Striker and such in pve

[subtle bluff]

It usable. Just a lot of effort to use it well.

[dawn solstice]

Plus 40% fire rate kinda fun fr--

[exotic talon]

obviously not going to actually make it but being able to get mmr damage from hotshot, habsburg and breaking point with one piece each is temlting

[smoky latch]

Heroic would be the max. difficulty I would run it in. But like you said, the effort to make the most of it isn't great

[subtle bluff]

So funny story I've done this already but better choices out there. The end dmg is same as Hotshot but getting to that is painfully bad.

[smoky latch]

You just add SWD on top of another

[subtle bluff]

I tested it and posted here a long time ago.

[exotic talon]

so is 2pc habsburg unicorns, 3pc hotshot and overdogs just too good

[smoky latch]

Forget about 2x Habsburg. The difference to Chainkiller and an Airaldi backpack is so minimal it is not worth the grind for them

[subtle bluff]

If you really lookat the amount the upgrade to Habsburg and the pain to farm those Especially that now we have Proto is not worth.

[exotic talon]

yeah but i already have perfect chainkiller and airaldi bp so i need something to keep upgrading the build lol

[smoky latch]

Then you're good I would say

[subtle bluff]

I have hasburg but only Red HSD and Health. I rather keep and use the weapon handling instead.

I have 2 Chest and 1 BP.

All health.... So dumb...

[native ferry]

Sheesh every time i matchmake t5 mostly on wall Street i like it lol

[tulip gulch]

just upgraded my M249 to proto and got amalgam on it first roll. Should I re roll for echo or keep ?

[smoky latch]

1x Amalgam on your build is really nice. Depends on the rest of your augments

[tulip gulch]

Currently striker has 4 pieces echo, equalizer isn't proto for low level escalations but chest piece has amalgam and contractor gloves has paradox and is 16 to re roll

[smoky latch]

Get Paradox off your build. It ruins Frenzy - given ofc that you have Frenzy on it

Keep the Amalgam I'd suggest

[tulip gulch]

Should I proto another contractors or just wait for it to be in the rotation, its mad expensive to re roll now

[smoky latch]

Wait until you spend around 750 cores on one item 😬

[tulip gulch]

OH NO!!!

[smoky latch]

Slot machine, baby

[weak pike]

Eh I mainly go for crit with breaking point personally I run vindicator

[tulip gulch]

I think if I grinded out escalations more I'd be down to just roll the dice but currently I only do that when I matchmake hahaha

[smoky latch]

Idk how good your Contractor's are but re-roll at least once to get Paradox off your build

[tulip gulch]

Not great, got them at a low level trying to just get the hang of escalations

[hazy steeple]

Don't forget that the values you see there are still above a fully optimised non-proto piece.

[smoky latch]

Hmm

[smoky latch]

Maybe use Ceska gloves instead, can be non-proto

[tulip gulch]

Crit chance isn’t my issue, I got one more pair of contractors but plenty of mats to just proto another one though

[smoky latch]

It would allow you to use CHD mods

[wicked mica]

so I’m looking at the doc for the Regulus build but there’s two variants and I more or less have all of the pieces to run both, is either one particularly stronger than the other? I would assume the one with dodge city does more raw damage per shot with the regulus when stacks are built up

[smoky latch]

DtA limits you to only get a benefit for NPCs with armor

[weak pike]

That weapon dmg and cc is barely a increase I guess stick with them till you get better ones

[subtle bluff]

@smoky latch what else should I put on my DPS chart?
Foxes and Contractors?

[smoky latch]

Crits are universal

[smoky latch]

Yessir, would make sense

[subtle bluff]

With Ceska?

[smoky latch]

I think that's most common

[wicked mica]

the point down emoji does not answer the question

[smoky latch]

But I also see ppl running Hollow Man with Contractor's

[subtle bluff]

OH.. wwait.. I should just proto both TS and Striker for the last 2.... Be the breaker of TS hearts...

[subtle bluff]

The clip above

ugh...

Which one for TS? PGC or TS Chest with Salvo?

[wicked mica]

understandable

[smoky latch]

Most ppl I see run the TS chest for Escalations

[subtle bluff]

Will do

God people are gonna be bbutttt hurt

[wicked mica]

guess I was right about dodge city’s variant being overall stronger

[subtle bluff]

Yes but you see the DCH version wouldn't ahve made it there.

[smoky latch]

Gotta make sure of that and post on Reddit :p

[subtle bluff]

I would of dead 5x over

[wicked mica]

it doesn’t help that you weren’t using a shield

[subtle bluff]

The point of the this clip is suppose to be able to do without for speeds.

I'm just not that good.

[wicked mica]

understandable

[subtle bluff]

The DCH one will have problems you have to be even mroe on point.

If you're getting like only 2 or 3 shots off HE DCH is good.

But if you're following up with more spawns or what not HHF really can't be beat.

[tulip gulch]

Ok ok, yeah when I slot in overdogs I’m at like 135 CHD with contractors I’m at 122 and some change

[smoky latch]

That works too ofc

[tulip gulch]

Would hollow man only be considered for higher tier escalations 6+ ?

[subtle bluff]

Only if it's Full Red and Proto other not worth

[last cove]

Do I keep my Hollow or Switich it with a proto of strikers

[last cove]

No hablo ingles

[subtle bluff]

Only if it has DTH 21 WD and Crit on it.

[tulip gulch]

Currently all red but I didn’t know if I should proto it or not, I don’t usually run high tier escalation and I just hit 30 expertise

[smoky latch]

Do it

[subtle bluff]

The 2 biggest ones is Hollowman and you weapons being exp 30.

[tulip gulch]

FIRE!!!

I’ll be doing that

[native ferry]

What will happen if you exp 30 and prototype your weapon, does it instantly gives you max attributes ?

[smoky latch]

Yes, one attribute is guaranteed to get max'd

[subtle bluff]

idk how to type it all.

[native ferry]

.....

In the end I'll still need to spam escalation and hope to get all max attributes...

[buoyant perch]

don't forget the gacha vendor too

[brittle drift]

Anyone seen people running with all maxed prototype item? Like 22.5WD, 9CHC / 18CHD?

You need loads of resources or a lot of luck. Someone said it's 1% chance to get all attributes maxed when upgrading gear to prototype

[hybrid leaf]

Anything worth farming in esc

Any named holsters worth having

[brittle drift]

Salvo is worth it

[ocean wyvern]

Salvo, but you're better off waiting for UA rather than holsters

1 in 8 vs 1 in (however many HE holsters there are)

[hybrid leaf]

Yeah UA

I need Equalizer too haha

[ocean wyvern]

Even more reason haha

[subtle bluff]

barely.. since Proto only give 1.5%..

[shy willow]

2.5 sir

[brittle drift]

Yea 50% if maxed

[devout iris]

wat MR is better with determined? cause i was thinking of switching out my SR-1 with something to spam with

[dawn solstice]

White Death #1; no question.

[devout iris]

i means as like G28 or ther socom mk20 ssr

[dawn solstice]

Ohhhhh, spam withhhhhh.

[devout iris]

yes, cause im got bored with the white death and sr-1

[dawn solstice]

SVD is the best handling, but can't get as big of a mag size unfortunately.

G28 helps with ammo conservation, and 2nd best handling.

[devout iris]

i mean i do remeber that i have the named G28 that being "relic"

[dawn solstice]

Mk20 dmg profile is actually the same as the Mk17 in the rifle category, kek.

[dawn solstice]

Nah, Perf. Deter. isn't continuous; have to get new headshots every other kill.

[devout iris]

damn, it seems i dont got a svd in my crafting bench

[dawn solstice]

But yah, honestly G28 would be your best bet for determined cuz highest base dmg.

[shy willow]

SVD/dread edict is the only one even worth considering

[dawn solstice]

Yah, Dread Edict if you don't mind losing determined.

[dawn solstice]

Honestly, I can let you in on a little secret, with how you can generate infinite ammo reserves with Marksman Rifles using Survivalist specialisation---

Get the scraping by talent in there, and just cover to cover with an mmr and generate free ammo forever fr.

[subtle bluff]

I meant in general. Bleh.

[subtle bluff]

@smoky latch @solar sable
Proto TS and Striker. I kept it simple just around rng change since they both bad a named item in 4pcs proto 4x7 WD and 4x6 CHD to each.

[still kindle]

Hi
Question for the experience agent
If you have a gear pice or a gun
No full optimize not prototype
I should optimize it first before making it proto
Or just skip optimization and make it proto
Thanks in advance for your answers

[shy willow]

Skip optimisation

Prototyping an item brings all rolls up to the normal maximum

[still kindle]

My goal is proto more the one thing to get double max

[shy willow]

With one guaranteed new max and a chance for more

[shy willow]

Getting more than one maxed roll is 5 percent chance or less it's very very rare

[still kindle]

😬

Do you recommend re rolling the augments until I get echo ?
I have a max out build but not one is echo 🥹

Full max proto striker even six pieces full set

[dense nymph]

what would be the best modules for skill dmg build

[dawn solstice]

Haste if you mean gear mods---

[normal shadow]

Skill haste, skill damage.

[dense nymph]

thanks but no i meant the global event thing

[dawn solstice]

Ohhhhh, seasonal modifier.

[dense nymph]

yeah those

[dawn solstice]

I don't touch 'em, kek; gotta wait for someone else to come through the door.

[dense nymph]

xd i see

[subtle bluff]

How much of the journey do you have u locked?