td2-build-advice

[silent storm]

Maybe if you are EXP 30 and sporting a bunch of blue core it will help but on a 6 red core it's trash tier

Now if it amplified DMG, S tier all the way.

If you go TS with Tinkerer try out Frenzy and Fast Hand with a Stoner or MG5

Or you can just skip the Tinker and go Overdogs with Pakhan

Tink Frenzy Fast Hands is also great on M60

[subtle bluff]

You can stop...

[silent storm]

I wish I could

[subtle bluff]

You could ask what content then when answer help out there.

[silent storm]

He want's to use Streamline on a TS build

Hot garbage

[subtle bluff]

And we answer that question.

You just answer the question that was already answered.

[silent storm]

I am just giving options I like that are better than Streamline

[subtle bluff]

and off on a tangent.

anyhoo

[silent storm]

Smell the roses Mr. Chow, life is a tangent don't rush to the end

So anyway they really increased the speed at which you buy the new event pass lol. Just tapped the button for a second and now I am celebrating Brooklyn lol

[hexed steppe]

why are you wearing ninja knee

[silent storm]

Need to get that ExpLv 30

Basically all I have left is Exotics and skills

So one Exotic and one Skill is levelup slot

2 exotics because guns

[hexed steppe]

shame

😔

[silent storm]

Still does tier 5 solo easily lol

But after Rifle day on the counter I am fresh out of tokens now ><

[hexed steppe]

there is at least 22 items you dont need to level to hit 30, probably quite a few more actually

[silent storm]

This was my best Rifle pickup I feel

[hexed steppe]

its just odd seeing those used

[silent storm]

This is where I am at and skills and exotics are my big winners that need worn and boosted

And let me tell you what this level sucks. Target loot is Skill Mods on everything and wearing this garbage gear along with the fact that I crash so much now it's draining

[hexed steppe]

should start running 2 skills

[silent storm]

I do when I do open world

[hexed steppe]

i dont miss the grind

[silent storm]

Funniest thing is, even my crap skill up builds are better than 90% of the people I meet in MM

[hexed steppe]

half of mm is ninja builds

[silent storm]

and the other half is blue core heros

[hexed steppe]

90% of the time in mm i run fire eclipse

ez mode

i dont do much escalation

[silent storm]

I have just started leaving legendary missions if I am only DPS. It's just not fun when I have to kill everything and everything is targeting me

[hexed steppe]

yeah no doubt

[silent storm]

The door on Tidal Basin after the second room where the 2 chungas are, they literally ran past my 3 teammates and started shooting me through the door as I hung back to pick them off "while my teammates had agro". I didn't realize until right then that agro is not room dependant. It's mission wide if eveyone else is garbage

[junior lagoon]

Keep or sell ?

[smoky latch]

scrap

IMO

[junior lagoon]

i have no clue what to keep for core strength

[uncut yarrow]

None

[silent storm]

The best case for build theory is that MASSIVE needs to revisit the mod system and any mod that can have multiple names just remove all but one name. It's astounding that that didn't happen with the mod overhaul way back when

[weak pike]

Core strength farm the type that takes years off of your life lol

[lament reef]

i thought my auto dismantle gear mods toggle wasn’t working because of this lol

why would they do all this wacky slot name garbage? just to bloat your mod storage?

[hallow arch]

Istg no matter what I do I just can't seem to hit 60% CHC

at least without compromising CHD

[lament reef]

if you use an lmg, you can make the third stat CHC since it already has dtooc

but yeah it’s pretty hard to hit 60 exactly without trading off if you don’t have maxed mods and everything optimized

[hallow arch]

The highest I've ever been was ~58?

[lament reef]

that’s a pretty good place to call it

[hallow arch]

pretty sure the only time I had 60% chc and good chd was with ND

[lament reef]

yeah it’s really reliable

if you use tipping scales, you can just put everything into chc since you get so much chd

[junior lagoon]

dark winter

[silent storm]

My main TS build only has like 90 CHD on it. Still slays

[winged moth]

best place to farm coyote mask

[junior lagoon]

assuming this is question. it should be in the target pool. you can try countdown vendor and try priority objectives that gives exotic items

[winged moth]

yes it’s a question and thank u just started the game and trying to build my striker build just missing the coyote mask

[subtle bluff]

Coyote isn't the meta.

[junior lagoon]

you will eventually get it. good luck

[junior lagoon]

is striker chest used in escalations?

[solar sable]

T5+ yes

[junior lagoon]

good, got a decent one from the vendor

[winged moth]

i just got told to run coyote mask with the striker set lol

[winged moth]

okay and should i run it with st elmo or does any gun work

[junior lagoon]

st elmo is decent if you have it

[sturdy nest]

Need advice on how to make this better, its currently built for crits since my ravenous came rolled for crit chance

[subtle bluff]

Rav isn't good enough to be a primary weapon. It's has a niche talent that's good when used in its niche case.

[vernal wing]

What’s the actual problem with using it

[winged moth]

and what should the other primary be?

[vernal wing]

It’s pretty close to like Artists tool

[livid sorrel]

acs shotgun or smg

[solar sable]

Its talent is to be used against armor plated enemies and not regular enemies. It doesn't work as well without them being present.

[iron flame]

WIP but am I on the right track?

I managed to pull a Hollow man out of 60ish named item cache's

and the contractor gloves I 2 different pairs CHC or CHD

[onyx sage]

don't bother using this hollow man, you want crit roll so you can recore to red

[iron flame]

I know, Its just the only one I have rn, but pretend it has red core CHC/CHD

[onyx sage]

it's not worth using if you don't have that

you can use ceska or something else

[buoyant perch]

I would go one step further and say only prototype hollowman is worth using with its 21% DTH. Regular Hollowman with 14% DTH that has maybe 50% uptime is not worth using over ceska/overdog.

[iron flame]

can Yaahl even be in the loot pool?

[onyx sage]

nope

[buoyant perch]

Yes, the DZ loot pool
Technically escal can drop prototype hollowman with blue core but the rate is extremely extremely low.

[onyx sage]

i would just not worry about it

[iron flame]

Okay, whats the best way to farm it in DZ? And the likely hood of getting killed by other players

[smoky latch]

Apparently SysCor seems to get into TL if I understood the devs right

But no word of Yaahl

[livid sorrel]

Named caches have dz exclusives

[winged moth]

what should i be doing to farm the overdogs gloves so i dont waste my time farming a mission that isnt worth it

[solar sable]

any with Gloves TL, Hyena Retaliations preferably

[soft crane]

Retaliations.

[iron flame]

Spent 14k countdown coins on named items. got 2 both with max HP.

[hallow arch]

ok quick question, is it ok if my CHC is at least 50%? 'cus ik min-maxing my build is gonna take a long while and I just want a functional build at least

[subtle bluff]

Context?

[soft crane]

Get it as close as to 60%.

I'd say 55% should do. 50% if you're wearing Coyote mask.

[hallow arch]

It's very hard to reach 60% rn for me

[hallow arch]

highest Ive ever been was 58%

[subtle bluff]

Just follow that

[lunar imp]

i wanted to make a capacitor build with my prototyped core strength pieces. what backpack should i use? is the ninja bike worth using?

[timid token]

🙂

[smoky latch]

Your team won't get much bonus armor and not often enough

You won't do enough damage either

[timid token]

Still work I test it out in countdown

[smoky latch]

And you're wasting attributes for status effects when the duration will be still rather short

[timid token]

Well yes

I get u want me use striker

[smoky latch]

Just objectively speaking

[timid token]

But just want try something new

[smoky latch]

I just summed up that build, you can run whatever you want

[timid token]

Which build

[timid token]

And also that build is kinda supposed to be focused on armor

[smoky latch]

#td2-build-advice message

[timid token]

Ik bro lol

It not about my team getting bonus armor it about me getting it or something

[smoky latch]

If it was focused on armor you'd have

• all blue cores
• you'd have a different backpack
• you'd have a weapon that proccs status effect more often and reliably

[timid token]

But if u got build that has it u can share

[smoky latch]

Yeah somewhere

[timid token]

I kinda stole from yt 😂and suddenly it work when u have right talent on it but ik yall want me to stay away from that stuff 😂

[timid token]

Also is it true in dz there gonna be where players not attack u in dz

In up coming update or no

[smoky latch]

Yes

[timid token]

Yay

[patent fossil]

Yup, each DZ will be different: 1 regular, 1 fully normalised (no watch or expertise), one pve

The pve one has a toxicity mechanic and hunters though

[timid token]

Fahhh

[urban latch]

The build isn't focused on anything, it's just kind of a mess

[timid token]

😂

[timid token]

I got from yt gang

[patent fossil]

Me at work on a Friday

[urban latch]

Lot of clickbait slop out there trying to bait new players

[timid token]

I been using striker for months now so wanted try something new

[livid sorrel]

worst place to get builds

[urban latch]

I'm not telling you to use strikers.... That's you. I'm telling you the build you shared doesn't make any sense

[timid token]

Well do u got st Elmo build that not striker 😂

[livid sorrel]

nego

[timid token]

Hahahahah

[urban latch]

There's plenty of builds out there. Check the pinned Google doc

You can run Elmo's on pretty much anything. Trying to build around it's shock and completely nerfing your build in the process is not the way though

[urban latch]

Idk why your laughing, nego is one of the strongest builds in the game

[timid token]

O

[subtle bluff]

No other build can do this like this.

[timid token]

Nice

Is it this I click on

[subtle bluff]

idk what filters you have on to see it like that.

[smoky latch]

This one has all crits.

[timid token]

I don’t have coyate mask sadly

[smoky latch]

Shield and whatever other skill you want

[subtle bluff]

#td2-build-advice message

[smoky latch]

That mask is called Catharsis tho 😬

[timid token]

Oh or that mb

[subtle bluff]

OH.. That's his weird build..

[smoky latch]

Weird but it works

[subtle bluff]

It doesn't do well in some places.

I know how it works but also where it falls off at.

[smoky latch]

Yeah ofc it's not a one-for-all build

[timid token]

Is there pic u can send pretty pls 🙂 for st Elmo nego build tho i might will use that then and

[smoky latch]

MrChow just linked you the post to the spreadsheet where you can find it

[timid token]

Aw man

[livid sorrel]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?usp=sharing

[timid token]

This I don’t have that mask where I farm

[livid sorrel]

Then use a different mask

[timid token]

Like which one can I use chill out

[smoky latch]

Farm it. Just like any other gear piece in a looter shooter

[timid token]

Just ? What ur talent on ur backpack

[wind peak]

This backpack doesn't have many talents it has just one

[timid token]

Oh

[patent fossil]

Use overdogs and nego mask if you have it

[timid token]

K

[timid token]

Overdogs seem kinda mean tho lol

[patent fossil]

It's perfect for nego since you can transfer that amplified damage to all marked targets

[timid token]

Ik it is

[strong cave]

Never in a billion years did I ever expect to see you recommending my build. It brings me joy 😁

[smoky latch]

It's solid for a lot of content, sure

[strong cave]

It's thoroughly tested is why, and didn't come from YouTube

😭😭

[strong cave]

Yeah in extremely open spaces with snipers is where it'll struggle. That's why I have my Lud as a secondary so I can shoot long distances if needed. With catharsis fully primed I'm hitting for fairly decent numbers even at all blue. 450k - 650k crits

It will also struggle against explosive rushers so keeping banshee in your pocket as an emergency "please stop running at me" button is a smart idea

Shooting them with Scorpio has a chance of accidentally hitting their chest. Causing a boom boom. Causing your shield to go bye bye even if vanguard is technically supposed to make it invincible for the first 5s. Which will cause your own death

[cerulean aurora]

Is this good?

[smoky latch]

You almost have enough full HazPro for two players 😬

[cerulean aurora]

I don't think it's enough because when I run my shield and it still cracks, my character still gets disorientated

[exotic talon]

thats a forced proc

[smoky latch]

Countdown?

Oh lol

[cerulean aurora]

No in general gameplay when you pull out your shield and the enemy cracks it, you know how your character gets disoriented

[smoky latch]

That can't be avoided I think. It's a forced effect afaik

[versed summit]

wouldn't be worth building hazpro for regardless

[smoky latch]

That too

[cerulean aurora]

I love this build on a level 10 escalations. It actually helps my team cuz I'm running cavalier

An overcharge gives protection of 70%

[exotic talon]

brother im sorry but youre getting carried

[shy willow]

Cavalier is mostly relegated to PvP but it's great there

[cerulean aurora]

You mean I'm carrying my team from getting shocked and what not and giving them hazard protection

[shy willow]

It's less valuable than buffs you get from say future initiative

Or even measured assembly, situationally

[subtle bluff]

😵

[cerulean aurora]

Then why is it on escalation 6'even 10? My team can still be in that Hive and still get shocked even I get shocked cuz if you're not moving around you're getting shocked but with my build no one's getting shocked

[subtle bluff]

A good group doesn't get shocked much anyways. But if you wasn't read your talent it's only for 10s.

[smoky latch]

How about the players are mindful and position themselves properly so they don't get shocked in the first place? Just an idea

[subtle bluff]

Do w/e works for if you think you're help go for it. But the fact you think 164 Hazpro isn't wasteful

[cerulean aurora]

Sometimes I wish but you can't always get what you wish for 😂

[subtle bluff]

Or do better has a DPS players and just carry them all?

[smoky latch]

Allows any pseudo builds to get stashed and the team has another, effective, DPS player for faster and easier clears

[subtle bluff]

I mean he just rather sit around and effect the team vs do acutally things to affect the battlefield in more than one or 2 meanful ways.

[willow tartan]

Can anyone help me. So 4 piece striker, overdogs and what other gear piece to run, keeping striker backpack and chest

[mint axle]

If you wanna keep the striker chest, put a proto salvo that gives 12,5% rate of fire on its own, and put a striker mask.

[rigid bronze]

Unit alloy salvo holster like the guy above said and striker mask is the way.

But you’ll have less crit chance

Obviously.

[subtle bluff]

No salvo

[mint axle]

Reason? He said he wants the striker chest.

[subtle bluff]

Salvo isn’t better than Ceska or other choices

[rigid bronze]

For escalation a lot of people use the yaahl health dmg mask I cant remember name

[subtle bluff]

While yes it’s more burst DPS it less DMG overall. Proto type is waste for 1.52+% more

We get all the Burst DPS from Frenzy so now you need to make the mag worth more dmg.

Since in the end we’re need burn a very health target down.

[subtle bluff]

Hollowman

[rigid bronze]

Thats the one

[subtle bluff]

By only time it’s worth to use it is Proto Red CHC/CHD one.

[hazy steeple]

I highly recommend farming Retal until you get a BP for it, via a Reconstructed Cache, and as you're doing that, check the Clan Vendor weekly for a Yaahl piece you can mass buy+break down.

Otherwise you are fighting against RNG something fierce to get a double-red roll from a Named Item Cache.

[subtle bluff]

I mean also they need to exp 30 to proto it anyways

[hazy steeple]

True enough.
If you aren't at that level yet though, I would suggest just avoiding above Tier 5 of Escalation.

[exotic talon]

is pve dark zone going to have the same pvp normalization

[mint axle]

The patch notes are close, we will have some answers soon.

[hazy steeple]

I wonder how much confusion we're going to get when people finally realise that the "PvE DZ", isn't just the DZ but PvE, but its own entire mode, with area debuffs.

I hope there won't be too much toxicity.

[mint axle]

Btw, it's funny that I called it the fact they were hiding a hunter on those new DZ system.

[sullen night]

Personally it being more than just "no pvp" is what has me somewhat excited for it, but yea, especially for newer players that might be a bit confusing 🤔

[hazy steeple]

As this channel is meant for build advice I'll keep it short, but I believe it'll be no normalised stats in whatever zone is PvE only that week, as they do rotate.
Remember that it is season specific, and ties in with that stuff.

[exotic talon]

i just asked because i was cooking up a core strength mantis decoy build just in case

[hazy steeple]

As a reminder, 350+ talents have been rebalanced for PvP with the update's launch, with skills, attributes, etc coming later.

That is the PvP specific changes that Talents get, not the Talents themselves necessarily.

[tender escarp]

Is the ouroboros worth farming for my strikers build?

[hazy steeple]

Not really over something else, but you can get the Crafting Blueprint from Retaliations if you want a quicker way.

[urban latch]

The incursion is just fun to do, it's some of the best content in the game imo. Just do it for fun and you'll get it along the way

[tender escarp]

what weapons should i be going for on strikers build?

[hazy steeple]

I never clicked with PL, I'm hoping SC turns out more my speed.

(Paradise Lost, and Steel Creek, respectively)

[urban latch]

Check the pinned Google doc, there's a striker guide in there

[misty crane]

St. Elmo, Lexington or eagle bearer are great choices for striker

M4, famas or carbine 7 are cheaper and good options too

[tender escarp]

thank you ill check out

[hazy geode]

An LMG with Frenzy

[woeful vector]

Anyone got sniper headshot build?

Have one I made ages ago with mantis and decoy.

Mine uses chainkiller, picaros, fox prayer, Ceska gloves and the gift with coyotes.

Wondered if someone has a better one (probably do)

[livid sorrel]

hotshot, chainkiller, overdogs

[stuck grotto]

What blue said

[woeful vector]

How do I get over dogs

Need those for my tipping build aswell

[stuck grotto]

Target farm Hyena's in Retaliation. You'll get the blueprint to craft it eventually

[summer totem]

Hotdog build

[tulip minnow]

Hey, this is my current build jut got memento
Any advices on what should i farm next to be able to solo challenging? 4piece atriker with random unbreakable vest

[surreal elk]

are the overdogs good for a full proto striker?

[solar sable]

yes

[fossil crag]

I dont I use this, This is just me and my boys

If you like the as seen on tv gloves go for it . they are not bad.

[soft crane]

I suggest replacing the chest piece with unit alloy brand named item called Equalizer.

Memento's good but getting them stacks is a pain in the ass sometimes even when solo. Might want to replace it with Striker backpack. Recommended exotic gears are Tinkerer mask and Overdogs gloves.

[fossil crag]

I dont really recommend people recommending the tink mask due to its stigma and what not...

[soft crane]

What stigma?

[fossil crag]

that everyone using it is doing nefarious things with the mask weather or not they are doing them nefarious things

[tulip minnow]

Wont i be too easy to kill?
Unbreakable is like a last resort for me to not die, cuz i dont really get much armor on kill even from gunner spec

[fossil crag]

Unbreak is more of a PVP talent but has its uses in PVE

[soft crane]

Unbreakable is one of the thing that acts like a fail safe.

[junior lagoon]

we are all easy to kill

[soft crane]

The entire point of DPS build is to kill or be killed.

[junior lagoon]

best way of not dying is killing faster

[soft crane]

I dont understand at all sir.

[fossil crag]

Ok let me do it this way... Its a cheater mask. and if you are wearing it and join my team im booting you due to the fact that its the cheater mask. I dont want that near me. weather or not you are cheating Im kicking you. is that more up to your speed

[soft crane]

Okay...

[fossil crag]

learn a new word today ahhaha I love useing that word HAHAHA

[surreal elk]

isnt the striker chest better on high escalations? I Reach the stacks there easily

[fossil crag]

I run that build T10

t1-t10

[surreal elk]

so thats 24% damage increase from eq against extra 100 stacks that do 90% damage increase no?

[fossil crag]

Getting them stacks and keeping them is really fun

I dont use it, I find it better to get and keep my stacks faster then ramping up my stack to get all of them and the fight is now over

[halcyon crater]

Striker chest has higher top end, but p.obli stacks quicker

[surreal elk]

that applies only in the lower tiers, i prefer EQ too but i found it little lackluster in the higher tiers where i could really use the stacks, you can keep the stacks easily with 2 magazines

[halcyon crater]

but yes for like t8 and above striker chest is always max stacks, and you don't lose as much dmg between encounters

[surreal elk]

Seems like i was really missing out, i didnt use overdogs at all

[halcyon crater]

Add Overdogs ontop and you're golden

[fossil crag]

Again me and my team have zero probs using that build at T10

But me and my team is just built diff

So again its your game run it how you want

I run it this way because I like it and im anit overcat gloves

OO and Im a ROF fanboy make my gun got braaaaaat braaaat

[swift wyvern]

If y'all still require the Burn Hostiles while stationary.... This might help you come up with some ideas.. 🦊 Happy Hunting Agents

[fossil crag]

why when these are a thing.. Lit one is made for fire

Ortiz is lit Division 2 Fire crest

[shy willow]

It's also trash, so make of that what you will

[fossil crag]

LOL HAHAHAHA not wrong hahaha but point it is a Fire build LO

[surreal elk]

where is this picture from?

[fossil crag]

Like if all your doing is getting the quick burns it dont matter how goot it is

i jsut stand still and shoot a fire take no fancy build needed

[fossil crag]

prob pinned messages

[halcyon crater]

saved from @subtle bluff

[surreal elk]

thanks, and whats that tipping scales C unit? The C unit?

[halcyon crater]

no it's TS Chest and Unit alloy pcs

[surreal elk]

Like, any unit alloy?

[halcyon crater]

yes

[fossil crag]

i would have never guessed C unit meant chest and UA hahahahahahaahahah

but that clever I liek I like hahah

[surreal elk]

Yeah, i got confused too 😄

[lament reef]

one piece unit alloy gives the ROF increase, which is what we really care about

usually the named holster Salvo, if you aren’t using the named chest Equalizer

[fossil crag]

LOL my mom told me in high school you cant call your teacher that, but you can call her a C-unit.. Or tell her Cee yUo Next Tuesday LOL

[halcyon crater]

Problem with TS is that too much rof is actually bad for dps

[fossil crag]

thats wehre I went when I read that

[fossil crag]

Noted! im not a Tip user but thats good info

[lament reef]

yeah you get stacks while firing, not on hit like striker

more firerate more reloads more downtime

[swift wyvern]

Just to try something different... 🤷

[fossil crag]

I cant argue that

[swift wyvern]

I like using exuro for summit. That's bout it.

CQ

[swift wyvern]

The Dynasty 🐉 been begging me to leave the stash for a while

[fossil crag]

i needed the comp I trashed mine hahaha

[swift wyvern]

Awww dm.. I'm sorry for your loss 🙏

I'm rockin 934 I wish I could share.

[fossil crag]

God rest its soul. In peace it lays. for another day it shall rise HAHAHA

[swift wyvern]

Not many of those drop in the wild .. mostly a legit farming method is required.

[fossil crag]

Im thinking of putting this together, its a very old build but he is a fallen agent and my brother mac jiggit jack

[swift wyvern]

Idea for you.. empress and capacitor are like peas in pods. Try that capacitor as a secondary with back and forth talent on your primary. Muey Bueno 🤌 talent is amazing. See how you like it. I'm really digging that Trader.

[versed summit]

not worth using over Refactor

[soft crane]

Wa legend.

Had that build too.

[fossil crag]

i see your idea... and raise you its a very old build but he is a fallen agent ( aka passed away in IRL)

[soft crane]

Back then Refactor didnt exist so...

[soft crane]

Whuh? Fr?

[fossil crag]

thank you

we gamed together since div 1 passed away last year this time

[soft crane]

Oh shit. My condolences then.

[fossil crag]

So F that refecter build ,respectivly haha

[soft crane]

One hell of an agent.

[swift wyvern]

🙏 respect

[fossil crag]

Ahh its all good

[lament cove]

why cant i make it 20 even though i have it in my library

[versed summit]

it shows 19.9 in your library, look at the left side text

[tulip minnow]

Just got overdogs in countdown in the first gloves targeted run
The equualizer can be dropped in countdown? Or whats the best way to farm it?

[vernal wing]

Yeah, target unit alloy

[versed summit]

it can be. Countdown is probably the easiest place to get it.

[tulip minnow]

I targeted chest pieces, gng unit alloy next then

Thanks

[vernal wing]

You can switch mid run by the way

Just open your map

[tulip minnow]

Didnt know that
After i got equializer, i just focus on shd levels? Or should i change chameleon as well?

[versed summit]

you could look for a 790+ RPM AR with dtooc. it'll be more flexible than the Chameleon

[vernal wing]

Yeahhh - chameleon is perfectly fine in heroic, but anything higher and you’ll probably want something with more range.

[versed summit]

after that I just farm CPs and retaliations for more blueprints and XP

[vernal wing]

The main talents you’ll want are like Measured>Strained>Ranger>Optimist

[tulip minnow]

Ohm i dont really know what that means😂

[versed summit]

I'd skip strained optimist but slap Killer in there IMO

[exotic talon]

if tinkerer worked on exotics, which talent would you put on which gun

[tulip minnow]

The shd stats?

[vernal wing]

Big Al + Bullet King would be nuts
Chameleon + Chatter Box (Chameleon is actually an smg, lets be honest)
Shroud + Dread Edict
Backfire + Ouroborus is hilarious

[vernal wing]

Each weapon has a “talent” if you look below its stats

[exotic talon]

shroud + dread edict would be insane

[vernal wing]

These would be so broken

Ouroborus RoF with Backfire damage + Bleeding enemies seems like it would get nerfed instantly

[vernal wing]

Okay okay - exotic sidearm: lose 30% movement speed while this weapon is holstered, you may wear 2 exotic armor pieces.

What are you picking?

[mint axle]

Turtle mode

[tulip minnow]

And is it hard to get the movement speed pistol?

[hexed steppe]

imperial dynasty + ninja bag

[vernal wing]

Luckily you only need 1 copy of it for your character, you don’t care about the stat rolls, and there are friendly people in #lfg-playstation who can help you get it

[swift wyvern]

Think this weirdo build gonna be first today... Happy Hunting Agent 🤘💀🤘

[swift wyvern]

Probably combine orobouros and backfire walk around consumed by fire. 😂 @vernal wing fr fr. Lol

[swift wyvern]

Oooh that'd be fancy

I'm way too into ignited. My apologies

[lone violet]

I unironically did a lullaby shot gun set up on high escal and it works tbh

[ocean wyvern]

What's the setup like?

[vernal wing]

Punch enemies = they die

[ocean wyvern]

No shit sherlock haha, I meant gear and whatnot

[vernal wing]

Honestly, I bet you could just run this on FI and it would be more damage than any other FI build 😂

[lone violet]

It’s not ment for dmg it’s ment for taking out weak points and slapping enemies that are very dangerous when they flank red-purple

[vernal wing]

I would rather dps just kill things instead and then have the FI guy on survivalist with this to kill random flanking minor enemies

[exotic talon]

memento and dodge city, no question

[vernal wing]

SHEEESH

That’s fat

I was thinking Tinkerer and Overdogs

[fossil crag]

is running 2 exotics gonna be a thing soon or somthing..? Or are we in la la land just dreaming up some combos..?

[cunning canyon]

Just came back what’s good now?

[vernal wing]

Power creep predictions 🙃

[fossil crag]

But that doesnt answer my question are we just in pretend land or is this something they are gonna do

[vernal wing]

Same game with lots of QOL updates, but of new catchup activities for New players and Prototype (Classified) Gear for end game players

[vernal wing]

Just for fun

[fossil crag]

Ahh ok ok!!!! hummm.. Let me think..

scabber and... Coyo, or overdawgs nom nom LOL

[cunning canyon]

What’s a good build it may be user error but I’m struggling😂

[vernal wing]

There’s a guide in pins if you’re like new or started a fresh character/account.

General take is Striker Gear set with Equalizer named chest and Overdogs exotic gloves.

[cunning canyon]

Thanks

[fossil crag]

I have a pvp regen build I use the tardi on..... If i could get cat mask with it OO man

[misty crane]

What build is best for the EB solo? I assume striker?

[lost wren]

striker memento with some blue cores

practically the only build eb works on in pve lol

[fossil crag]

Big horn or EB on a reggy build .

ok that was fun Im done haha

[misty crane]

Yeah I was given the impression that it's more of a PvP gun but I actually like it

[vernal wing]

I mean I guess you could just use it with a regular assault rifle build in PvE

[stone python]

shotty dropped with echo and decent att, is the talent good?

[pallid spoke]

terrible for that gun and very situational

[misty crane]

To my surprise I'm using it on my heartbreaker build and it's performing really well

[lost wren]

where's the damage guide again

[subtle bluff]

Infographic?

[rocky igloo]

what helps makeshift repair

[subtle bluff]

Which one is that? Refactor?

[rocky igloo]

foundry

[subtle bluff]

Chest and BP talents anything else is wasteful.

Tanks in general in this game aren’t a straight up thing.

There a niche I guess I should say.

[fossil crag]

iI "guess" you can say that, tank and pfe builds are about as useful as a poopy flavored ice cream

[rocky igloo]

easyest way to get the forge

[subtle bluff]

Forge is crap

[burnt bear]

Anyone know anything about MR builds?

[subtle bluff]

MMR (Marksman Rifle)??

[burnt bear]

Yes

[burnt bear]

Where do I get overdogs

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages > Starter Guide

[mint axle]

Is perfect killer the best weapon for a regular negotiator dilemma build?

[subtle bluff]

It's not the best. It's decent weapon. The issuse with ND is you want to be hitting more than one target than focusing down. LMG are gnerally the best with it.

[surreal elk]

do overdogs work with skills in general?

[subtle bluff]

Yes.

[rare moth]

Anyone know where I could make a suggestion for the game?

[smoky latch]

Got a ping here but where ping?

[smoky latch]

#1380126780152614944

[rocky igloo]

what a regen build that outlast dmg

[vernal wing]

PvP or PvE

[rocky igloo]

pve

@vernal wing

[dawn perch]

btw, what stopping people running an all refactor comp in escalation?

[vernal wing]

Emp pulse modifier. Drone instantly dies within like 10m of enemies.

You could use like a chem launcher or something I guess

[dawn perch]

i see but would constant be enough even with everything working as ideal?

[vernal wing]

It’s fine in the lower tiers. Around tier 5-6 it’s no longer enough damage to actually deal with enemies.

[rocky igloo]

what a regen build that outlast dm

[dawn perch]

was wondering about that as I was testing ceudues. it heal is kind of eh and i am not even sure if it is even though if the whole team is shooting with. Wanted to see how would that compare with a full team of refactored

[next creek]

striker/overdogs in escalation, is lmg better than ar? what rolls should i aim for on lmgs - mk46? crit/dttoc with frenzy?

[vernal wing]

Yep you got it

[next creek]

is it more optimal to swap out obliterate chest for strikers in higher tiers

[vernal wing]

Absolutely
24% total weapon damage from Perf Obliterate
Vs
90% amplified weapon damage from striker chest

[next creek]

great, cheers

[frosty oasis]

Striker chest doesnt outperform Equalizer til around 161-167 stacks lol.
At that point, stick with the instant dmg from Equalizer

Equalizer & Striker Backpack are best combo.

Not 90% more dmg lol. Ive tested these both & the dmg difference is laughable. However, the dmg peak & how quick you receive it is non-negotiable.

I run T10s all day & i use the Backfire.

[subtle bluff]

AI doesn' tknow how the math work same with you

[frosty oasis]

Its not perfect but allthesame, ive tested them both. On my backfire the damage is isnt wildly different & Equalizer gives instant dmg. Idc who you are, you're not at a full 200 stacks majority of a match.

[subtle bluff]

That's cute good for you. T10 isn't that hard in the end due them all being heroic AI anyways

[subtle bluff]

It does more because 90 AMP vs 180 is different.

You do not understand the math so stop.

[frosty oasis]

Legendary is easy. Lol. Thats cute to say. I can slaughter Legendary & Master, usually over 200 kills easy. T10s are by far harder cause how much harder they hit & more health & armor they have

[subtle bluff]

Go solo a Zoo without GE's and upload it

Then you can talk all you want

[timid token]

Jajajajj

[frosty oasis]

Thats at max stacks. I can show T10 screenshots all day, MANY of whoch had Striker chest users. dmg wasnt close... So ya, good for you.
Realistically, most people average around 150 stacks, maybe 170.

[subtle bluff]

Go to the DUA legggo without GE's and do this section faster than the clip

then come tell us

[subtle bluff]

Normal PvE stuff that don't have that much HP sure you're actually right but in T10 where they have that much HP you'll hitting them all the time and hold all the stacks

[subtle bluff]

Go show a Duo or Solo of T10

[frosty oasis]

LOL

[halcyon crater]

Usually you hover around 180 stacks all the time unless you're really bad, and then you shouldn't even be in T10 and try to learn the game instead

[frosty oasis]

GG bud. God mfs on pc are tards sometimes

[subtle bluff]

I can show a bunch screenshots and it makes no diferent

[frosty oasis]

Ya stats are stats. @subtle bluff you really arent the brightest are you?

[subtle bluff]

Says the guy that is trying farm clout everywhere

[frosty oasis]

Im not saying the Chest is useless, i used to swear by it. Equalizer is just extremely good & it cannot be said that the Striker chest dogwalks it lol

[subtle bluff]

Here's go do this.

Your just repeating yourself

[timid token]

Chow can I drink coffee and enjoy watching this lol

[vernal wing]

I purposefully stay at 200 stacks throughout every encounter with more than 2 enemies.

[subtle bluff]

At least you understand what's going on and why it's funnier

[frosty oasis]

@subtle bluff you're joking right? You think i havent done that before? 🤣
I normally go BACK into Positive dmg.
32-Bit Integer Overflow

[timid token]

Yep cause I’m just a striker user

[vernal wing]

“I use this on t10”
proceeds to not show dps on a t10

[subtle bluff]

I was showing the kills amount....

I didn't even carea bout the dmg done.

I can go on about this.

[frosty oasis]

@subtle bluff been there done that. Lol. Kills means soemthinf but overall stats are more important. kills, deaths, dmg, named dmg lol
T5 art museum did over 5B dmg with almost 200 kills. Want the screenshot lol?

[flint arch]

🍿

[subtle bluff]

WEEEEEE DMG

[subtle bluff]

Go do it on incursion

[frosty oasis]

Incursion is a joke... Are we serious rn? 🤣🫡😜

[subtle bluff]

I am go solo it.

And I'll say you're the 7th person I ever known to do it

TBH I haven't talked bad about you just you incorrect in your statement and you're the one trying to talk me down.

[frosty oasis]

@subtle bluff Ok...2man is laughable. T5 4man is harder with scaling. T8 2man is impressive & i wont deny you that but you've yet to show how your chest "dominates" whatsoever lol

[subtle bluff]

Which is a good on your look but hey it is what it is.

[frosty oasis]

@subtle bluff 🫡🤣 Right

[subtle bluff]

This is also on non proto gear

well hollowman proto only

[frosty oasis]

@subtle bluff Sure. Im sure it is lol. Regardless of gear, the Equalizer does hold. Striker chest doesnt outdo it so heavily to say Strikers chest is the best choice. Js.

[subtle bluff]

Like I said go duo or solo +T8, incursion or leggo without GE's then you are clearly impressive then. Otherwise all of these is nothing special that you're posting.

[subtle bluff]

Last time I'll repeat myself.
In quicker and shorter engagements equalizer is always better because you don't need to stack as much correct.
In longer Engagements fights where your non stop fighting non stop shooting you tend to build stacks and able to hold those stacks.

Lastly we use BF all the time in incursion without any Hazpro

[frosty oasis]

just a few T10s

[subtle bluff]

I mean I never use BF with hazpro

[frosty oasis]

@subtle bluff good for you lol

[subtle bluff]

That's CUTE. I have a ton T10 but dont' save shit.

None of us to because we're not trying to collect clout

[frosty oasis]

@subtle bluff Well your word over my proof... exactly lol

[subtle bluff]

So you can stop trying to show off.

Not goonna repeaat myself with you

[frosty oasis]

@subtle bluff just showing. Showing off? Only to you since you cant lol

@subtle bluff Ok ok 🤘

[subtle bluff]

I don't waste my time

[frosty oasis]

@subtle bluff you waste your own time 🤣

[subtle bluff]

UH?

By helping people with real info sure

[halcyon crater]

what do you think you're proving with screenshots?

[subtle bluff]

By most of the players watcvhing you BS yourself hereL

[frosty oasis]

@halcyon crater just showing Striker Chest isnt end-all for dmg lol

[subtle bluff]

I'm to help players so GG take care

[halcyon crater]

but the screenshots doesn't prove that

they only prove that the people you play with did no dmg, not that you did a lot

those 2 things are not the same

[frosty oasis]

@halcyon crater it does lol. Shows Equalizer can hold where others DO & DID use Striker Chest. Thats all

@halcyon crater you're an idiot then. Dmg overflow. I play with many people who do great dmg. Im just saying across the board i can get wild stats. so No, Striker Chest doesnt not completely outdo Equalizer

Most those shots are around of well over 5B dmg

GG bud 👏

[magic pilot]

Doesn't not is a double negative which means striker chest does outdo equalizer

GG bud 👏

[halcyon crater]

Brother, I know how the stat screen work. But do you realise that there is only a certain amount of damage you can do in a mission. By them having lower damage than you, you automatically get higher dmg scores. It doesn't prove anything other than the people you played with did less than intended damage. If you can't see that I can't help you

[frosty oasis]

typeo. grammer correcting is something a ho would do

@magic pilot dingus lol

[halcyon crater]

Crazy that the only thing you had to say was to complain about me typing things correct, GG bud 👏

[frosty oasis]

@halcyon crater low negative dmg will have the star for most dmg cause the game doesnt keep track of people who go back into Positive dmg

[outer stone]

damn is this reddit? lmao

[frosty oasis]

32 bit integer overflow.

@halcyon crater that was to the other idiot lol - concerning grammer. Its a keyboard, people mistype things

[soft crane]

Who pinged?

[frosty oasis]

@halcyon crater Proof that you dont know shit lol. saying i only did 180M dmg? No, thats actually 2.147B twice, then add the 180M

[halcyon crater]

Where did I ever say that you did no damage?

[frosty oasis]

not mathematically possible to achieve those stats with only 180M dmg.

@halcyon crater Brother, I know how the stat screen work. But do you realise that there is only a certain amount of damage you can do in a mission. By them having lower damage than you, you automatically get higher dmg scores. It doesn't prove anything other than the people you played with did less than intended damage. If you can't see that I can't help you

...
Thats what you said. When many of the screenshots im actually NOT the "top dmg" because the game doesnt keep track of counter flips. Once you clear negative dmg & go back into Positive

[soft crane]

I like how this never gets to be fixed.

The cap is 2B isnt it?

[calm nacelle]

Little over yeah, then it flips to negative. Or back to positive if you have a massive pp like some people and hit around 5 billion

[soft crane]

Seems like those guys hit 5B. It went over positive again.

[flint arch]

not hard to overflow an indeterminate amount of times in t10 with 4 player scaling

[calm nacelle]

Yep it can happen but usually most content won't have enough ads to get that high a number. Escalation however...

[tidal swan]

What's your pb? ☺️

[west shore]

What build will the caduceus be good with? refacter birdie? With healing from crit and healing from skills?

[urban latch]

Hey your getting better, some of these are only a little slow

👍

[soft crane]

Whoah whats this?

[magic pilot]

What's a standard time for T10 I'm out of the loop

[subtle bluff]

Which mission?

[magic pilot]

Honestly any I've never done one

[rocky igloo]

what wep makes hb stacks the fastest

[junior lagoon]

for alejandro striker build do we prefer headshot or magazine modifier?

[solar sable]

ACS-12

[lapis terrace]

what's the best way to make a hard wired prototype build without wasting the extra skill tier? I use this one for hardd/challenging just having fun blowing people up

[subtle bluff]

You'll never guess....

[lapis terrace]

nope. that's why i asked

cant think of a way to use the btsu gloves without ending up with 6.5 or 7 skill tiers i dont need

[buoyant perch]

proto hana and 2 blue hardwired
or blue proto hana and 1 blue hardwired

to get blue proto hardwired you need to upgrade to expertise 30

[subtle bluff]

Overdogs

[buoyant perch]

didn't think of that, yeah that would be good 😅

[subtle bluff]

Am I the seller of Overdogs or the heart breaker of TS?

[hazy steeple]

If you wanna date True Sons, that is your business.

[hazy steeple]

@rocky igloo You're looking for #lfg-pc, GL Agent

[soft crane]

Oh sweet, a can of whoop-ass.

[hybrid leaf]

Hmmmm new kneepads might bring the ouchy-SMG back into businessss

Should be pretty easy to achieve 100% hazpro with one armour piece giving +40

[soft crane]

Whoah I just met a level 921 SHD player without a build.

Not sure how he got that far without one.

[livid sorrel]

backfire? it's still good without hazpro if you manage the bleed

[smoky latch]

Yeah, buckle up for clickbait YT Videos showing weak builds

[last cove]

You just play normal for a while

[hybrid leaf]

Yeah I still run it with no hazpro where appropriate haha

[smoky latch]

I mean with matching seasonal modifiers it's fun and strong but outside of that it's not good

[solar sable]

imho if somebody thinks Backfire's bleed is not manageable, that's a skill issue

[livid sorrel]

i mean that's not really something the game tells you

[hazy steeple]

Everyone's learning to some extent, teaching someone how to do something better is always more useful in the long term than mindless criticism.

[solar sable]

yeah, I know, but saying that you NEED hazpro to use BF is what I actually meant, sorry for not being specific* 😆

[lapis hare]

What do you all consider the best non exotic SMG? More so as a secondary for Striker if your primary is an exotic AR.

[smoky latch]

Converted SMG-9 and Tac Vectors are good

[last cove]

I think the banshee is good too

[smoky latch]

It used to be decent, now it's meh

[last cove]

Yall think strikers is a good gear set for a dmg build

[solar sable]

#1

[lapis hare]

I believe it’s THE best gear set for damage build. I’m running mine with Memento backpack

[vernal wing]

Never heard of it

[solar sable]

it's the best single target DPS gearset
there's a lot of different options for different purposes

[last cove]

Strikers battle gear

[solar sable]

sarcasm lol

[lapis hare]

Thanks. Thoughts on a named SMG called Dark Winter?

[last cove]

I mean I know of a gear piece that can make it a crowd control too

[solar sable]

nego?

[last cove]

Nah I forgot what they are called but they are named kneepads

[vernal wing]

It’s great in solo or heroic content

[last cove]

It got turmoil on them

[solar sable]

ew... Turmoil 🤮

[lapis hare]

Nice! Sadly I read you can only get it from Dark Zone.

[vernal wing]

Houndsman!

[last cove]

The Pefect killer smg?

[lapis hare]

What’s that?

[last cove]

I prefer the caretaker myself

[smoky latch]

Works but the Unwavering talent is a good pick too

[last cove]

Yall really want quickstep

[vernal wing]

There is this old bounty called the “Bloody Houndsman” from Halloween. It basically drops most named items and all the dark zone exclusive named items.

[lapis hare]

Oh, where is this fella found?

[smoky latch]

Bloody Houndsman is not the OG Houndsman from Halloween btw

[last cove]

Bottoms right southwest

[vernal wing]

People host bounty farms - you can just ask in #lfg-pc

[last cove]

That BT side mission that you get

[lapis hare]

Believe I have a SMG-9 with Measured on it. I’m guessing unwavering is probably better?

[woeful rain]

Where ? It says no access

[vernal wing]

#lfg-playstation

[lapis hare]

I’ll keep that in mind when I decide I wanna farm for it.

[smoky latch]

Measured is fine if you wanna do damage. Unwavering just turns it into a laser temporarily. See what you like better

[opaque wagon]

If i want to play with grenades, what should i use? Acosta backpack or festive backpack + Collector chest piece?

[summer totem]

Most exotics i had in 1 dz run

[tall galleon]

coming back to D2 after 3 years, looking to get some help on a new build

[hybrid leaf]

Nothing has changed; striker is still king 😛 😛 😛 /S

[smoky latch]

Check the first pin in this channel, it's links to a spreadsheet with a lot of valuable info and build suggestions

And this here is also great. A little outdated but a great baseline to see great builds

[toxic knoll]

I'll scroll up, but is there an LMG based striker build that's decent?

[hybrid arrow]

Does running one or 2 blue cores really do anything or is that extra armor negligible once ur on escalations n legendary

[solar sable]

the latter

[hybrid arrow]

So just proto all red then

[solar sable]

as usual

[hybrid arrow]

Hit 30 and wondering how far to take what gear

If I want to do a tipping scales with tinkerer, what lmgs should I upgrade to proto?

[solar sable]

theres a few flaws with that

1. Proto weapons dont work with Tinkerer
2. Proto TS has so many diminishing returns

[hybrid arrow]

Ooooo

How about nego?

[solar sable]

banger

[hybrid arrow]

I have TS nego and striker equalizer overdogs

[exotic talon]

hasnt proto weapons not working with tink been fixed

[solar sable]

it has?

[waxen ridge]

I need help on a build any tips on a skill/dps mix build

[hybrid arrow]

If I use turmoil knees with nego will the turmoil chain hit proc more nego marks? Essentially creating a giant chain?

[solar sable]

no

[hybrid arrow]

Going from the standard equalizer overdogs, if I did wanna use turmoil, which one of those should I give up

[wary belfry]

[exotic talon]

striker bp and chest, overdogs, turmoil alongside a ramping lmg like iron lung or big al

[hybrid arrow]

I have that same set up actually

Just using tipping scales

But it's interchangable with nego and striker

I like blue screen banshee combo and pesty

[soft crane]

Mrs. Chow?

[wary belfry]

main chow

[steady garnet]

Does obliterate work well with adrenaline rush?

[subtle bluff]

Intimated is the one that works with with Ad. Rush

[uneven sleet]

theres no way of rerolling that weapong handling?

[sullen night]

correct

[buoyant perch]

Recalibration is coming sometime mid-Y8S2

[brittle plume]

What changes could I make here to not be deadweight in T5 escalations?

[soft crane]

Overdogs gloves

[brittle plume]

Changed, thanks

[shut kindle]

I want some advice for the best proto build

[soft crane]

The best augment is obviously Echo.

[shut kindle]

That's not what I'm asking

[soft crane]

Then what are you asking?

[gentle lichen]

There isn't exactly a proto build
It's a normal high end/gearset that benefits from prototypes

[soft crane]

Yeah, Prototype is just higher rarity than High-end.

[gentle lichen]

So what's the base build you want that you would like to have prototyped?

[soft crane]

The main difference are augment and higher attributes.

[shut kindle]

I currently have two sets, maxed basically every stat. One is using a grupo mask, striker BP and chest, and overdogs. Now I'm using the mk46 with frenzy, issue is, with the 5% rof buff from gunner, sometimes it reloads before frenzy is down, meaning you end up stuck with a full mag without the buff.

[subtle bluff]

Best what... Right? Best solo, best escalation, best support etc...

There is no best overall.

[shut kindle]

Now ideally I want to use salvo, but this breaks the timing even further, especially the proto salvo, so what would be better to use?

Shall I swap to GR9 instead of mk46? But then the timing is like 12 seconds instead of 10, so 2 seconds worse, but I don't end up with glitchy mag issues

[soft crane]

Correct me if I'm wrong but this is just you, struggling with the Frenzy talent.

I'd use Strained if I were you. Love that talent.

[shut kindle]

It's not me struggling with the frenzy talent

Frenzy works perfect, but sometime the game ticks lag, this means you empty the full mag and reload before frenzy finishes activating

[soft crane]

Seems like a technical issue.

[exotic talon]

solution: big mag

[shut kindle]

What this means is the next mag, after reload happens before the end of the frenzy buff, thus not proccing frenzy for the entire length of the mag

[subtle bluff]

Salvo isn't value a lot in proto due proto only increases by 1.5%

[exotic talon]

also you can just swap off the gun

[shut kindle]

You can't just swap off the gun

Frenzy proccs from reload

[subtle bluff]

Yes you can.

From empty.

[shut kindle]

...yes

[subtle bluff]

So don't let it reload.

[shut kindle]

So every time I reload the gun you want me to wait a second before I reload it, thus making the rof buff completely pointless

[exotic talon]

empty mag -> swap guns -> frenzy ready for whenever you need it

[subtle bluff]

Frenzy last 9s. Even during reload. But it cannot reproc if it's still up.
The easily way to ensure it's gone is by swapping off. Like mentioned above.

[shut kindle]

Swapping off takes longer than just guessing

[subtle bluff]

You can shoot with your other weapon...

What do you mean?

[shut kindle]

The fact that no one has an answer to my timing question and instead is just saying it's user error basically answers my question anyway, what I've worked out is salvo isn't worth running and I need to NOT use the 5% gunner buff and issue resolved

Ty anyway

[subtle bluff]

Talents do not carry over when you switch weapons, Unless it's mentioned in the talent.

[subtle bluff]

We have the meta and it's explained in the striker guide.

[exotic talon]

you can also put back and forth on your other weapon

[subtle bluff]

You didn't bring context till later in the conversation

There more than one reason Salvo isn't used.

While yes Salvo is more burst is decent enough less in sustain and mag dmg.

[shut kindle]

None of you have answered what I asked. Instead you're mentioning weird workarounds like swapping weapons, the thing I simply asked was if I DID use salvo and the rof buff, would there be a weapon which timing is more suited, no one was able to answer

[exotic talon]

wait your timing issue is because of salvo??? its anti synergy with frenzy

[subtle bluff]

Salvo isn't part of the meta build for escalations

[exotic talon]

"sometimes the game ticks lag" so the solution would be force disabling frenzy
if its because of salvo the solution is unequipping salvo

[subtle bluff]

What gunner 5%?

[shut kindle]

Again none of you answering my question, but that's fine

Ty for the help

[subtle bluff]

RoF if anything make the issues worse.

[subtle bluff]

Can you ask the question again withim the context your asking.

[exotic talon]

there isnt a weapon more suitable to use frenzy on alongside salvo and the gunner rof on kill because +15% rof is too much for anything except frenzy gr9 with the gunner pouch for 250 rounds, and sometimes even that can run out before frenzy does

just dont use salvo, equip a ceska piece

[subtle bluff]

Oh. Here it is.
You have it wrong. Gunners 3rd reload is super quick is the issue

[shut kindle]

That makes more sense

[subtle bluff]

It goes back to 9s uptime thing.

[soft crane]

Well shoot sorry if I couldn't be of help.

[subtle bluff]

I just don't believe the season is almost over.

[subtle bluff]

Well you know now?

[icy jasper]

It's a good gear if ur using equalizer

By its self it's still good for the 10% rof

U do loose crit tho but it's nice

I do prefer running ceska or a grupo holster instead of salvo

[shut kindle]

Well I have a maxed proto build already, but I was trying to work out if I could use salvo as it would be a big dps increase

But I think it just messes with all the timings and I'm not sure if any other gun is more suitable

Potentially demo with a slower fire rate gun might be better

[icy jasper]

U can just try it out n test it in a heroic CP or something

[shut kindle]

Issue is, it's hard to work out the exact timings of stuff

[icy jasper]

Demo also makes it so u will ignore explosive thingy every minute

Good if ur doing legendary

[shut kindle]

I think it also has a percentage dttooc?

[icy jasper]

Also has a crit chance mod

[shut kindle]

Obviously you need gunner for MK46 for the mag size

But if I use a different gun, this might be better

[icy jasper]

Not sure if that applies to u or ur ally tho

I have using that spec in awhile

Also tech is good option too free skill tier, extra damage to robots n other stuff and it has other stuff

[shut kindle]

Less useful for t10s

[icy jasper]

Ah

[shut kindle]

I usually swap to my Lexington for dogs because of the added health damage

[icy jasper]

What about sharp shooter

[shut kindle]

Idk, none of this matters anyway unless I can find something that works better with the timing

[subtle bluff]

It's multiptive

[icy jasper]

Ah Mr chow lurking

[subtle bluff]

Btw. I can't spell the word.

[shut kindle]

I know it is, I say added but I just meant, on top of what's usually there

[icy jasper]

I still need to grind out expertise levels so I can get to 30 but eh

Close to 12 atm

[shut kindle]

I might just have to grab a load of random ass lmgs and see if I can get. Better frenzy uptime on them by messing with gear

[icy jasper]

What u use ur lmg with? Tipping or striker?

[subtle bluff]

With hollowman and both being proto it's 42-46 DTH. It goes wild.

[shut kindle]

Striker for t10s the moment they have such high health, striker burns tipping for damage it's not even close

[icy jasper]

Also is hh builds good in t10 or does it fall off

[subtle bluff]

All them pretty much run into the issues at the 3rd reload.

[shut kindle]

I have Lexington maxed proto, took me 120 rolls, I'm only missing the third roll on my mk46, everything else is maxed

[subtle bluff]

Other than the really slow rpm ones.

I still don't have proto LMG.

[icy jasper]

U got echo augment or what

[shut kindle]

Yes

[icy jasper]

I have 0 proto gear or weapons

[subtle bluff]

Or an exp LMG.

[icy jasper]

[shut kindle]

I'm trying to work out if it's worth be dropping gunner so I don't have to worry about the reload issue

[subtle bluff]

I was doing only +T8 with a proto hollowman.

[icy jasper]

Also are augments n proto disabled in dz or nah ik it is in conflict

[shut kindle]

I hate hollowman tbh

[subtle bluff]

You'll have ammo issues instead.

[icy jasper]

It's a good mask tho

[subtle bluff]

Ceska works great.

[icy jasper]

Hazz pro n dth is nice

[shut kindle]

It's fine, but I have a grupo mask that gives me 42% crit damage, and it works against everything not just health

So much better imho

[icy jasper]

Ah true yea

[subtle bluff]

I just want to delete things proto lex and hollowman deletes reds faster than frenzy.

[subtle bluff]

Ceska gives a bit more CHD overall.

[icy jasper]

Also wtf u got 42% chd!... My regular only has 15...

Bro has double my crit...

[icy jasper]

Isn't ceska for crit chance

[subtle bluff]

In my bio to my buildstation I have a like 3 escalation builds you can kind of reference off of.

[subtle bluff]

Yes the less you need to put into CHC the more CHD you can put in.

[shut kindle]

I get the grupo mask as a random drop, I didn't farm for it, hence why I'm using it

It dropped fully maxed non targeted, my flabber was gasted lol

[subtle bluff]

Normal gear is 6 and 12.
Brandset is 8 and 13

It's min maxing

[shut kindle]

Thing is though, even though ceska is technically a tiny bit better, it's worse for the build

[icy jasper]

Y'all try nego in teir 10 or any other non meta sets

[shut kindle]

Cause my crit chance is at 59.5%

[icy jasper]

Also is HH determined builds good in higher tier?

[subtle bluff]

It can't one shot

[shut kindle]

Only thing useful higher tier is striker and healer builds

Anything else is pointless ATM

[icy jasper]

Damn they mascured my boi

[shut kindle]

My crits hit 3.5M at 900 rpm

[subtle bluff]

Ya lex on DTH targets gets to 4.6m

I need to finished the dps charts.

[tawny kindle]

Finally...

[icy jasper]

If in group wouldn't OD be good for support

[icy jasper]

The fact u have 3 pains me

[shut kindle]

Status does nothing last t6 useless

[icy jasper]

I do have 3x max chc n hsd n chd mods but not one of pfe

Congrats tho

[tawny kindle]

Thanks. I have at least a dozen of those chc, chd, headshot, skill repair, skill haste that I dismantled those I don't need. This 13% pfe is the only mod that took me a long time just to get 3.

[icy jasper]

It does seem to have a low drop chance ngl

[tawny kindle]

One of the lowest for mods I think.

[shut kindle]

I also got like 3.8 I think on DTH targets with lex. But I meant with KMG with frenzy kicking in, I get like 3.4/3.5M

[barren mica]

Is foxes knees here referring to the fox's prayer?

[subtle bluff]

Is this in the build hub?

If so it's outdated.

Use this for now.

[uneven sleet]

proto or not?

[shut kindle]

Proto is worse imho

6.8% wep damage to lose crit chance and 1% crit damage

[uneven sleet]

i can get 12% cd

just losing the crit chance

[shut kindle]

Oh myb that's a mod, still not really worth it

[uneven sleet]

im getting shit rolls holy

[shut kindle]

The entire proto system is shit rolls that's why I only got gear from manually prototyping

[uneven sleet]

yeah im trynna get to expertise 30

[shut kindle]

But that's just a resource dump, and they patched the method of exotics, so now exotics is a grind fest

Not worth it at all for 99.999% of players

Not worth it* at all

[uneven sleet]

what is the best way to lvl up expertise?

i always donate junk, and how long will it take me to get to exp 30

[shut kindle]

Wait for an expertise event. That's the best way. If you mean without that, go play countdown, play with all the random ass stuff and donate it all to expertise after every game

Then after doing all of these, you'll end up with things like awful exotics, named items you don't have, and you have to farm printer filament for these

[uneven sleet]

what i do now is just farm a cp to get to shd 1k and level up guns while i do it, and donate all the junk they drop me

[shut kindle]

That's not bad you need checkpoints for blueprints anyway

Retaliations is good for this also, because you get blueprints from CP and blueprints from rewards

[uneven sleet]

yh

[subtle bluff]

Proto is not better than proper stats version of the gear or weapon.

[uneven sleet]

how not?

[subtle bluff]

The attributes are what drive a core of a build without the correct one your 1/2 of the build.

It's a game of numbers. Not having some numbers means a lot.

[icy jasper]

I feel since it not 1k yet u shouldn't worry about expertise or prototype stuff imo as it's more for late game players

Ofc passively get ur expertise up as u play but imo it shouldn't be a major priority

[halcyon sentinel]

What good weapon for striker ? lexi or lmg?

[uneven sleet]

i mean if i can play the most efficient way so thats what im trying

[soft crane]

LMG

[halcyon sentinel]

LMG with Frenzy?

[icy jasper]

Depends if t10 or if playing normal stuff

[soft crane]

whatever talent you're comfortable with tbh

[icy jasper]

Also striker works with any gun so really depends on ur preference

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages > Starter Guide

[soft crane]

I think the core problem when it comes to making a build is to know the difference between Weapon Damage, Total Weapon Damage, and Amplified Weapon Damage. Im sure as hell not many knows the difference.

[subtle bluff]

Any high RPM weapon so +790 rpm really.

[subtle bluff]

Proto slop is just a gonna be a thing.

[icy jasper]

If below 1k u don't even have all ur stats maxed in ur watch as well n likely haven't gotten some of the good exotics n maybe haven't done ur CP 3-4 grind for the blueprints n weapon attachments

[subtle bluff]

I mean at this point why I say that how many people just get proto but ignore or don’t understand what the minor attributes do.

[halcyon sentinel]

even on escalation?

[soft crane]

Tbh I still dont really understand either. Forgive me for not being really good at math but between those 3 I mentioned, Amplified Weapon damage should give the most damage because its Multiplicative isnt it? While weapon damage is additive and not sure about total weapon damage.

[soft crane]

Never go higher than Tier 5 tbh and Im always running Strained for my M249.

[icy jasper]

I mean proto is cool but it's really for people who are already good at the game or at endgame n want to get more out of their build same as expertise

[soft crane]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Prototype rarity is mostly fomo.

[subtle bluff]

I mean I don’t even try to explain it too much in detail unless asked. My main point to this context is mainly “DPS build” that ignores crit

Yup

[icy jasper]

Hh builds n skill builds or

[subtle bluff]

It’s the rest iKia left and reason I have a hard time wanting to get on to play

[icy jasper]

I want eventually to have a full proto build but the RNG n expertise grind n other annoying factors just keeps me away from it

Plus I do pretty good without it anyway

And I play pvp so it's kinda irrelevant

[soft crane]

I havent even reach level 30 expertise and God knows how many times I've seen peeps below level 500 SHD fully equipped with random prototype gears.

[icy jasper]

But it's a new system so ofc they'll improve it over time

[subtle bluff]

Yes and meh.

Super power creep..

[icy jasper]

True I mean if bob has a full proto build maxed out n ash has the same build without proto bob will do a lot more damage

[soft crane]

Btw, hit me with Pestilence Lengmo build would you

[icy jasper]

Should be 3x legmo with contractors n Foxes n hollow man I think or salvo

Glass cannon and vigilance

[halcyon sentinel]

okay i tested some weapon what i mean some weapon its yellow mk46 with frenzy, mg5 with killer, lexy with measured. they are more or less the same but lexy give lil bit damage. atleast in range

[subtle bluff]

Build Hub

[icy jasper]

Ur in the range or u tested in combat

[halcyon sentinel]

range

[subtle bluff]

I updated the DPS chart in the guide

[icy jasper]

I prefer testing in combat as you'll get a general feel of how the build or weapon will perform

Especially since it has other factors

[subtle bluff]

The range is buggy with its DPS counter.

[icy jasper]

Also this as well

[subtle bluff]

Use the DPS calc in the Pinned Messages

[icy jasper]

A good testing spot is Dua legendary

[subtle bluff]

“Yellow”?

[icy jasper]

See how it does in the first section

[halcyon sentinel]

i meant non proto

[icy jasper]

I'ma assume high end

[subtle bluff]

Just don’t put anything there.

If it’s proto say it. Otherwise it’s normal already.

[icy jasper]

Wrong reply?

[subtle bluff]

Frenzy is mainly fixed to Escalation because how much uptime you have on it. Same with Killer in solo general PvE

[subtle bluff]

ya.. Sleep is calling for me

[icy jasper]

But yeah get a stop watch n start Dua legendary n see how long it takes for u too clear the first section before entering the building

[subtle bluff]

Yea I’ve been trying to make my new showcase

It’s hard due to how some guys pat around

[icy jasper]

End of the day DPS is kinda irrelevant as speed is key when being efficient

Wym

[subtle bluff]

It’s most once you get past a certain DPS number than yes it’s slowly becomes irrelevant.

[icy jasper]

Also u should try nego with strega it's kinda fun

[subtle bluff]

They don’t proc it other

As in no special interaction

[halcyon sentinel]

do you guys test it with the striker active?

[icy jasper]

It's more irrelevant nowadays with the power creep system

[subtle bluff]

To a degree.

[icy jasper]

Game is becoming like Warframe

[subtle bluff]

I mean to a degree again.

Throw anyone of these new players into Master or Leggo and they get their ass kicked

[icy jasper]

True

I still remember when heroic was hard

[subtle bluff]

Good example if that clout farmer

[icy jasper]

N playing leg was hard asf back in the day

[subtle bluff]

Leggo is fun still for me

But my turn off now is that FTC leggo are doing it with 2 to 4 directive on…

[icy jasper]

I do like it cuz it's just one enemy type

[subtle bluff]

Like why….

[icy jasper]

Although white tusk are annoying asf tho

[subtle bluff]

And there pushed all the way back and didn’t want to restart..

[icy jasper]

Idk why but they bomb u more than Blacks

[subtle bluff]

Some section I can solo carry group in but others I need some effort from therm.

Different AI’s

[icy jasper]

U play a bit of pvp or nah

[subtle bluff]

Why we joke that escalation is a joke due to them going heroic AI

[icy jasper]

Aren't they a reskin tho of black

[subtle bluff]

I did. I probably will again with the new patch

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no they actually do different things

[icy jasper]

Interesting on all my days I thought they was the same

I feel leg shouldn't be just for white tusk tho

[subtle bluff]

Any have a good morning / afternoon I’m out

[icy jasper]

Theres about 9 or factions or whatever n only black tusk gets upgraded to legendary

[icy jasper]

Later gator

[halcyon sentinel]

oky, i think lmg is better

speaking of is there some good build for the season modifier? for healer

[icy jasper]

I'm not sure if seasonal but if the current global event hh builds n tipping scale is good asf

Assuming ur being stationary or in cover

[upper rover]

Yeah the event is broken ngl

[icy jasper]

Assault is fun tho

Ambush is just better

[upper rover]

Assault was... I think the closer u are?

I never got it how it works, so I just stuck to the global one for the headshot dmg and good active

But this one has clear bar so it's way better and the dmg is nasty like 2x at least on avg for me

[shy willow]

In close range you do 200 percent extra damage

[upper rover]

Yeah but that close range had to be like at least 10 or less meters, I never noticed it doing anything

[hexed steppe]

i think the max damage % is the same for both

[upper rover]

for strikers and exotics other than tinkerer and overdogs and the memento variant there's nothing worth running?

[hexed steppe]

you see an icon when you are within assault buff range

[soft crane]

Coyote

[upper rover]

Well ig that too

[soft crane]

Full red Investor.

[hexed steppe]

who wastes on that?

[upper rover]

That would be interesting

Like cd cr cd? Or doesn't matter

[soft crane]

I did. 600+ exotic comps and not a single full red Investor.

[hexed steppe]

you can only get one of each type of attribute on it

[hexed steppe]

yeah, exactly

[upper rover]

Oh eh than chc chd handling?

[soft crane]

Investor bans one attribute type for each category. Headshot damage for red, but i forgot about blue and yellow.

So if you get full red investor, you'll have CHC, CHD, and Weapon Handling. +30% CHD in total from 3 red sub attributes.

[upper rover]

Oh right it did have a passive other than being able to roll 3 subs

[soft crane]

Ah yes here it is.

Headshot damage for red, Health for blue, and Skill repair for yellow.

I got a full yellow Investor. Been using it for my crowd control eclipse protocol build.

[exotic talon]

+42% chd total btw

[hexed steppe]

investor is like 42%chd total. coyote is like 34%chd, but has the added ability to allow you to flex 1 of your chc mods to chc since mask gives chc also on mid range

[soft crane]

oh yeh

[hexed steppe]

i feel like they are kinda on par

[upper rover]

They also buff team

[hexed steppe]

and either isnt as strong as dogs

[upper rover]

Yeah sadly I have no plans on using dogs ever

[soft crane]

Lame

[upper rover]

Yeah I like to shoot whatever I want. I'm just build different like that

[soft crane]

Takes a bit of practice but overall its a really good exotic.

[hexed steppe]

not gonna ask why, dont want to ridicule

[exotic talon]

coyote is objectively the strongest when you have two or three coordinated people running it
overdogs is the strongest when youre solo
investor is the simplest and opens up gloves for contractor's

and monocolor investor of any color is very strong

[upper rover]

Wait coyotes stacks? Or

[soft crane]

No but all 3 buffs can be active at the same time.

[upper rover]

But then each person would need to shoot from different range no?

[soft crane]

Yeh

[upper rover]

That sounds annoying in random matchmaking ngl

[hexed steppe]

😂

[upper rover]

In group sure ig

[soft crane]

whuh?

[exotic talon]

it stacks as in you can have three people keeping formation to have all 3 variants active

[hexed steppe]

its just like odogs, you dont think about the talent it just works. when multiple coyotes are active you usually see a couple buffs without them actively trying to target specific ranges

[soft crane]

Thats confusing ngl. Just say it doesnt stack but all 3 buffs can be active at the same time.

Either way, the 3rd buff for Coyote is irrelevant since any DPS build already having at least 50% CHC. Unless its a oneshot build I suppose.

The 1st and 2nd buffs are great.

[upper rover]

It's kinda annoying to run chest strikers... Below t5 so it's kinda eh

[vernal wing]

Equalizer for sure