td2-build-advice

[soft crane]

By that point you're not even using high-end anymore.

[subtle bluff]

You do understand Gameplay and Knowledge is also important more than the build.

[soft crane]

Combination is same but the rarity is obviously Proto

[summer totem]

Someone told me that the backpack talent is too precious to waste for it but i think memento has enough at max stacks is enough to offset it right?

[exotic talon]

honestly memento striker is pretty good but striker bp and overdogs is insanely good so

[subtle bluff]

On NBB probably.

[sudden cloak]

If you're playing solo then memento is absolutely viable instead of striker BP

[exotic talon]

oh yeah memento gives you tier 2 shield and skill efficiency it might be better for an in your face playstyle

[summer totem]

Im trynna build a hazpro armored strikers build for my backfire

[spare steppe]

when lmg is in rotation ill do 5m per shot

[subtle bluff]

You won't.

[soft crane]

I have Hazpro Striker build if you want.

[summer totem]

Only if there's an on going directive 100%

[summer totem]

Send

[smoky latch]

Don't forget the Ambush GE which very possibly plays into his statements 😬

[summer totem]

I have god rolled backfire with dtoc

[subtle bluff]

OH RIGHT?!

[spare steppe]

ill come back with the results until then

[summer totem]

Seems like a waste to not use it

[soft crane]

If I could be anybody, dead or alive
I would wanna be my dad in 1985

[subtle bluff]

Where's my GE clip

[soft crane]

Oh wait sorry.

[summer totem]

Even with prototype build you'll deal 2.4-2.7 mil at best

[livid sorrel]

memento is like 30% wd long term buff + 30% wd short term buff vs striker bp 25% more amp

[summer totem]

3 if using measured 100%

[onyx sage]

almost correct, striker bp is like 15% amp, a bit more if used with chest but the point stands

[sudden cloak]

I use mine a lot, just depends on what I'm doing

[summer totem]

Chest is pointless unless you're playing against enemies with high hp like in high tier escalation

[onyx sage]

not the point

[summer totem]

The stack decay is too quick and the enemies die quicker

[atomic anchor]

was GC solo

i gotta go check that out

[subtle bluff]

It's just showing a point clip

[onyx sage]

the point is striker bp is 15% amp and only slightly higher if chest is used

[exotic talon]

i love global events theyre so silly

[summer totem]

Fair

[summer totem]

I like the sprint animation with the primaries

Hoping that they'll make quickstep a holstered talent

[onyx sage]

memento with max long term stacks at 30 expertise is only effectively a 11% amp for example

[summer totem]

I like seeing the sprint animation carrying the primary than the silly animation like you're being chased by dogs or smth

[onyx sage]

the more weapon damage you have the more it falls off, but ofc you use memento because it has other benefits

it's just important to contextualize it and why people recommend striker backpack over it if you do want more damage

[summer totem]

Fair

But i do like me some additional survivability

All it takes is 1 red flanking to end you

[onyx sage]

eh, you can learn to anticipate it

[summer totem]

Mostly in retaliation

[onyx sage]

but not gonna dwell on that

[sudden cloak]

Mini map awareness and situational awareness are both things all players should have

[summer totem]

How do you guys counter the btsu warhound when the kill squad spawns literally next to you

[onyx sage]

kill them really fast

the dog dies within half an elmo mag

[smoky latch]

Shoot the 🦵s

[flint arch]

kill it

[toxic knoll]

Legs are weak point.

[summer totem]

Ahhh yes because a person dies when you kill them

[onyx sage]

i mean it is kinda obvious

[smoky latch]

Trigger Exodus gloves 😬

[sudden cloak]

I think I scrapped my exodus gloves

[subtle bluff]

so dumb....... GE's...

[onyx sage]

a lot of your combat decisions aren't done in the moment, it's done in preparation, if you get caught with your pants down then you're worse off, but you don't have to play like that

[toxic knoll]

You say it's obvious but the number of match made missions I've done that have doggos and people are unloading into the body would suggest it's surprisingly not obvious.

[onyx sage]

not shooting the legs being obvious, moreso killing it faster makes it easier is obvious

as to how to kill it faster, sometimes it's not that obvious

my point is most of the time people look to try to survive hits rather than avoid them completely

[toxic knoll]

The range isn't an accurate source for damage.

[subtle bluff]

OH I know. It's for someone else

[sudden cloak]

They put the game on discovery difficulty

[summer totem]

Yall reckon div3 is gonna end up like payday 3

[subtle bluff]

Nah... It can't be.... SHH plz don't say stuff like that.

[shy willow]

I can't tell whether I want the former or the latter

Perhaps survivalist for groups

[soft crane]

Lol superior rarity. High-End is better you know.

[shy willow]

?

[soft crane]

its purple

[shy willow]

Yeah, prototype

Why would I be using superior gear at shd 4k 💀

[soft crane]

I was just messing with you.

[empty cypress]

Prototype gear itlooks like

[shy willow]

Ah

[normal shadow]

That's the Real Endgame™ - doing solo T10's with gray and blue gear.

[weak ferry]

I've a foundry bulwark build with bulwark shield, Liberty, Catharsis. The artificer hive always stays in bag for boosting the bulwark shield. In hive's 2nd & 3rd mod slot there is +4 repair charges & +10% duration. So what should I equip in the first mod slot here?

[urban latch]

None of those effect the artificer so it doesn't matter

[livid sorrel]

ignoring the rest of that build, idk if healing affects the shield repair but you dont really have anything else to put in there

[weak ferry]

so what affect the artificer hive?

[weak ferry]

hmm

[urban latch]

Outside the duration mods, I don't think anything does. Artificer came after the skill mods were created and they just never released skill mods for the artificer

[weak ferry]

got it. thanks

[summer totem]

Isnt it stim effeciency?

[urban latch]

thats for the booster hive

[high dagger]

could Tinkerer work with proto weapons? it should work right?

[soft crane]

Its been fixed now yes.

It even works with a non-proto i think.

[summer totem]

If devs allowed 2 exotic armors at the same time which would synergize well?

[mystic folio]

Anyone know of a good bighorn build at all?

[subtle bluff]

Yes but it as PGC in it…

[mystic folio]

Pgc?

[subtle bluff]

P. Glass Cannon

BH is strong but it’s issues are that it has no Crit mods so gearset build don’t have enough attributes slot to make it good.

[exotic talon]

i enjoy heartbreaker headhunter vigilance with it

[calm summit]

Guys, what’s the best LMG worth upgrading to Proto for a Striker build?
Also, which setup is better:
Tinkerer mask + Striker gloves + 2 LMGs with Frenzy and Measured or Striker mask + Overdogs gloves?
I can’t decide, and i don’t want to waste materials upgrading something useless.

[strong cave]

I'd go the overdogs route. Even in say escalation, a good 75% of enemy spawns are usually all lowest tier enemies anyways

[calm summit]

Alright fair enough. And about a good lmg?

[strong cave]

The typical go to for escalation seems to be M249 variants, MK46, I've seen some GR9's, and I've seen a few M60's. Any of those I mentioned are solid LMG's. I would suggest the M249/MK46 route

[barren mica]

I'm trying to make a sniper build with the talent that ensures headshots on-hit as long as you 1-hit-kill enemies. Where is the best place to farm for different pieces, and can I link my setup so someone might help me prioritise the order that I go for different pieces?

[soft crane]

Named chest piece and backpack, Chainkiller and The Gift. MMR is White Death with DTOOC sub attribute.

[calm summit]

Thanks.

[strong cave]

Everything you'll need will be farmed in countdown. Matchmake it on Challenging difficulty. Make sure you set your targeted loot to what you need before the run starts or right as the run starts

[strong cave]

It's a named weapon. It can't work with Tink

If it does, it's a bug

[exotic talon]

tinkerer can copy regular talents from named secondaries

[livid sorrel]

probably coyote overdogs

[soft crane]

Im pretty sure it shouldnt work.

[barren mica]

I prefer playing solo, does that change what method is most optimal?

[soft crane]

Overdogs and Tinkerer would be powerful as hell.

[strong cave]

Truthfully I'd go Memento Overdogs

[strong cave]

Retaliation. But truthfully you'll wanna play countdown

[livid sorrel]

Can just do cd with random matchmaking but if you insist on solo, retaliations

[exotic talon]

would love to be able to run dodge city without wasting my exotic armor slot

[strong cave]

If only Acosta's kneepads weren't ass

I can see nimble holster and ninjabike kneepads for sure being a meta on striker builds. For survivability

[barren mica]

I prefer solo because I don't want to get stuck just playing a running around simulator because I'm getting carried, but idk if that's something that happens

[strong cave]

Countdown is 8 people so no matter what everyone is carrying everyone if people are playing objectives correctly

That's the point of it. It's a loot farm

[barren mica]

I see

[livid sorrel]

just listen to the people in chat if they're talking

[strong cave]

Retaliation was added because it fit the season's theme when it released and it was basically a CD alternative bc sometimes it's just hard to queue a CD match

[soft crane]

Never had trouble queueing for Countdown tbh. Maybe its only hard on consoles because the playerbase is much smaller.

[strong cave]

I play both respectively

[strong cave]

Region dependency is also a thing. I'm US East right now and the only players playing CD right now are all ± 250 but sub 500

It took me nearly 10 minutes to queue one yesterday. And steam charts barely report 5k peak players. Ubisoft's numbers I can't imagine are any better

[soft crane]

Its joever.

[strong cave]

For realsies

[soft crane]

Still looking forward to crossplay though.

Not sure why this game isnt in the first place.

[strong cave]

With the info I'm sitting on, we likely won't see it until ||Y9||

[soft crane]

Just try not to think about it yeah.

[strong cave]

Development hell is a real thing here

[barren mica]

About the build order: I have 4 pieces of the hotshot set, so I can avoid reloading provided I don't miss shots. I'm considering going for the Ninja backpack that works like a wild-card, do the rest of the pieces matter, like should I aim for getting the hotshot set with good attributes on specific pieces, or does it not matter?

[strong cave]

I can't elaborate further, against the rules. But roadblocks are being hit that's all I can say

[strong cave]

Ninjabike is a newbie trap. It's the 2nd worst backpack in the game setting aside core strength bag

Stick with an Airaldi bag with vigilance. It'll do WAY more damage

[calm summit]

One more question about m249, any m249 or theres one version? I see there is m249 and tactical m249 para

[strong cave]

4 piece hotshot, Chainkiller chest (walker and harris branded), Airaldi backpack with vigilance

[exotic talon]

you want headshot damage on every hotshot piece
ninjabike backpack is dogshit, you want chainkiller (named w&h chest with perfect headhunter) and an airaldi backpack with vigilance, both with headshot damage and weapon handling
now 4 piece hotshot is good but going down to 3 and equipping overdogs is much stronger in terms of damage

[strong cave]

Okay, so, there are some SLIGHT differences between them. Very very slight. One of the M249 variants is the most accurate one, pretty sure it's the M249 B or the Para. I am not 100% sure, lemme summon @subtle bluff because iKia isn't a source anymore

Chow would know his M249's

[calm summit]

Okie

[barren mica]

Do you know what kind of difference it makes in terms of being able to 1-hit enemies on a headshot? Because at the end of the day all I want is to keep up the talent effect that guarantees headshots, so lower damage is fine if it means I don't have to reload, but if it is the thing that lets me 1-hit armored enemies or something like that, I could see that being worth it

[strong cave]

Worst case scenario, get your hands on each of the possible variants and just spend time shooting them. See which one you like most and go that route

[calm summit]

Perfect, i will do that.

[exotic talon]

both 4pc and 3pc with overdogs will easily one or two shot most enemies, it is literally just a matter of if you want more quality of life or to be able to oneshot yellows according to the tier hierarchy

[barren mica]

Right, so without overdogs I should still oneshot purples?

[exotic talon]

(with the opening shot, once you have headhunter stacks the second shot with either build will oneshot all yellow bar adds)

[soft crane]

How do you oneshot a chunga with oneshot build?

[subtle bluff]

Who summmons me from my slumber

[strong cave]

Problem is going Ninjabike in general removes 25% Total Weapon Damage entirely. Vigilance talent is what gives that. Ninjabike, you're trading up that damage for say more Brandset bonuses. I used to run 3 hotshot, Airaldi, Habsburg and Ninjabike. Until I stopped and went back to 4 piece. Why? Because I needed hotshot stacks at max to 1 tap heavier enemies (named LMG gunners from outcasts are a good example). But 4 piece hotshot had no problems

[subtle bluff]

You don’t

[soft crane]

Damn it I got omni man meme'd.

[strong cave]

Me, homie 🙏 which M249 would be overall the best variant? I'm pretty sure one of them is most accurate

[subtle bluff]

It’s a very very slight handling thing.

[soft crane]

"Thats the neat part. You dont." -Mr. Chow

[empty nymph]

Military Mk46 (and Replica) has slightly higher stability than both M249 variants

[strong cave]

Cheats. Not kidding

[exotic talon]

you can break their helmet and immediately get your headhunter damage back because theyre like crabs, once you break the shell you immediately kill them

[calm summit]

So mk46 is better thn m249 right?

[strong cave]

Ah so it was actually the Mk46. I figured it was SOME sorta M varianted LMG. One of them 😂😭

[exotic talon]

also breaking helmets doesnt count as a miss for hotshot

[calm summit]

Thanks

[subtle bluff]

It doesn’t really matter when frenzy is up.

[strong cave]

Thank you chow 🙏 20k levels and nearly 2600 hours and still learning

[exotic talon]

you can also have your cake and eat it too with 3pc hotshot overdogs + dread edict

[subtle bluff]

We only use MK46 for escalation really too.

[barren mica]

Is there a specific order I should try to get these things in? Does it matter or just get all the set gear first with decent stats and then go for the specific gear pieces after and go for perfect stats after I assembled all the parts?

[strong cave]

I use Bluescreen, fight me 🤠

[subtle bluff]

I was a user of dread edict

[subtle bluff]

I ❤️ Bluescreen

[strong cave]

Dread edict is a good secondary for MMR builds for when you need to spam it for headshots to save you from your life ending

[subtle bluff]

It’s my main leggo carry

[strong cave]

Yeah but in escalation? 🫣

Even tho the status effects don't last as long in escal I noticed the brief moment of crowd control kept them at bay and worked for most my random MM teams

[subtle bluff]

I tried it out. Just didn’t feel good enough.

[strong cave]

Then again we already had the damage so

[exotic talon]

if your library has maxed out headshot damage for all armor pieces, go for high roll red cores on hotshot and high roll red cores + weapon handling on chainkiller, then recalibrate headshot damage onto them
for airaldi youre better off looking for headshot damage and handling so you can recal vigilance onto it
then you optimize the cores and handling attributes or grind new pieces for better rolls

[soft crane]

Was it you who said Bluescreen is a bad pair with Ongoing Directive?

[subtle bluff]

Not bad just not great.

[barren mica]

Is this good enough for a while?

[subtle bluff]

OD with Sadist. Bluescreen is usable but more for DPS support

As long as it has DTTooC

It looks like you need to farm more in general first

[strong cave]

Custom M44 is a decent high end sniper. White death is technically best but CM44 is perfect too

[barren mica]

Alright

[subtle bluff]

You don’t need much to get hotdog going but you need the core things

[barren mica]

Thanks for all the help everyone!

[subtle bluff]

I zzz again no more summons

[strong cave]

He's going the 4 piece hotshot route for the lack of reload. But we did point out going overdogs will give more top end damage

[soft crane]

I cant oneshot a named with that build. Dealt crit 50M damage and still not enough.

Im certain Overdogs is active when I shot the named npc since there was no other.

[urban latch]

Generally you just shoot off the helmets and kill in a second shot, but technically you can kill them with a shot in the butt

[strong cave]

Shoot his ass!

-said every agent ever

[hazy steeple]

"aim betwixt the cheeks" is a sentence I will never forget from my first DH run.

see also "right up mainstreet".

[strong cave]

[terse horizon]

idk what to make of this t6 drop while doing lmgs... maybe rng hates me

[barren mica]

I just got the white death, surely I just slam determined on that right?

[keen plank]

Yo bros what lmg would you guys recommend with OD. Im using the carnage, been good so far but are there better options? Maybe mg5?

[hazy steeple]

I highly recommend checking the OD guide in the spreadsheet, it's incredibly useful.

[soft crane]

Correct. You really are determined at making this build.

[hazy steeple]

saved me from a streamline fueled bad time.

[soft crane]

ba dum tss

[smoky latch]

Alright

[urban latch]

Hang onto that and hope/assume proto recalibration comes around at some point to change the talent. Its not that useful now, but absolutely could be in the future

[broken edge]

really hope this is someone proficiency farm

[tawdry raven]

Is the sheriff viable in t10 escal or was the guy I was playing with griefing my run?

[patent fossil]

with a couple of pieces of paradox it basically has infinite ammo, which is handy

not sure how it compares DPS-wise though, think it lags a bit behind the usual top options

[dawn perch]

I literally reminds of proficiency farming and it horrible =_=. Its suffering.

[smoky latch]

Most people have simply no clue of what's good and what's not. Doesn't mean they have ill intents and are griefing. This gets astronomically worse with new players in Escalations. Albeit many high SHD players also run weird stuff that doesn't fit in mid to high tier Escalations

[tawdry raven]

he had a full proto striker build, proto hollowman with proto frenzy LMG but spent the whole round shooting the sheriff

[shy willow]

It does hit extremely hard

[dawn perch]

That thing has no dmg fall off

[smoky latch]

Sheriff is a decent secondary, especially with Striker's. By using Sheriff mostly they're nerfing themselves tho

Not really a good environment to test stuff with randoms

[dusky jetty]

saw someone talking about how on Tipping scales its best to have CHC to max then any spare slots use stuff like armor on kill/PFE, cause the CHD comes with the 4 piece anyway - that accurate advise to follow or nah?

[sullen night]

Honestly AoK rolls are too low on mods to be of any value and PFE doesn't make a difference in higher level content, where your survivability comes from positioning and health gating

[dusky jetty]

yeah fair enough, just wondered if maybe my chd mods should be changed at all - maybe just HS dmg instead?

[sullen night]

If you are hellbent on going a bit against the flow I guess HSD is ok, but I'm pretty sure it will still be less damage overall compared to CHD

(unless you can reliably hit 100% headshots I assume 😄 )

[mighty merlin]

Afternoon all. Looking for a hazpro build that hits hard. What would be the go to?

[livid sorrel]

Hazpro builds trade too much damage to get the hazpro. Closest you could get is probably a striker backfire build

[spare violet]

I know its not optimal, but out of these 4 what's best for higher tier escalations?
4th is the bluescreen so no pic
using TS set

[livid sorrel]

On kill effects like Killer fall off in escalation. I'd go with the mk46

Although a high end lmg with frenzy would probably be better even if it's not proto

[dusky jetty]

yeah fair enough, thanks dude 🙏

[dusky jetty]

my aim is trash, so CHD is it 😆

[vernal wing]

He’s not completely throwing, but he’s definitely not carrying in DPS unless the other players don’t have hands

What really matters in T10 is your team positioning well, and your healer keeping people healthy.

There is some serious overhype about T10 difficulty.
You don’t need a full set of Proto.
You don’t need an LMG with frenzy.

Using a less optimal build will usually result in longer clear times, as long as no one absolutely sucks at the game.

[bleak flume]

How does stacks work from negotiator delemea

Entirely forget how to use that gear set

[shy willow]

You gain stacks when you get kills

[rich cosmos]

CADUCEUS GOATED?

[pale socket]

does anyone have a good build with pestilence?

[orchid kayak]

do i need proto gear to get a good build?

[pearl atlas]

no

[orchid kayak]

farming the Escalation is long and hard work when u weak like me i did some last night got 23 kills in fulll team an no protos droped

[pallid spoke]

it's alright, they made it crit instead of just damage proc, but I'm still glad they're adding it back

scratch that, always been on crit, but no skill power scaling.

[icy jasper]

Recently went back to nego yesterday n it's kinda fun killing multiple enemies

Although it struggles with single target but still good

[fair ermine]

How is concentrated or core any good as a set, I'm slow here

[icy jasper]

Core strength is good for hybrid builds n shines in pvp the most

[livid sorrel]

concentrated is usually used for pestilence and sometimes slower firing guns that can't use striker

[solar sable]

if my theory is right, CoCo as a proto will only let Pesti hit harder but won't actually help Ticks if Weapon DMG doesn't get Prototyped

[fair ermine]

Ok, I usually run tipping with Big Al and a proto mp5 that puts my chc at 60% and chd around 180

[shy willow]

Yes

[dawn perch]

I wish the beitter sweet was on hit it builds stacks

[vernal wing]

You lose the crit when you swap to Big Al

[fair ermine]

Was still rocking 700k + regular hits tho

[woeful vector]

Anyone got an umbra build?

Trying it out for 1st time on tier 1 escalation and feels underwhelming.

[rich cosmos]

Can I just say already this is inherently an awful exotic

I feel like thats a pretty easy thing to say like

This is just a horribly designed exotic

[livid sorrel]

It's just a 40 hazpro to you and nearby allies

[rich cosmos]

I don’t think it’s straight up bad but I feel like 80% of the time its not worth it at all and its extremely boring

[hazy steeple]

It's kinda been hinted that HazPro maybe will have an effect on "Toxicity".

[rich cosmos]

I mean even then seasonal build crafting is dumb

I hate the concept of something being viable because of limited time gameplay

[hazy steeple]

Eh, I don't mind it. I made a stupidly fun HSD setup this Season with that 137% buff.

[livid sorrel]

that's fair, there's isn't much places where hazpro is useful

[rich cosmos]

Plus, this exotic just kinda massively buffs backfire and only backfire

[livid sorrel]

it buffs hazpro backfire builds but good ol striker equ ovd still beats it

[rich cosmos]

Idk I just do not like this exotic

[shy willow]

Backfire slop all season long

[rich cosmos]

Excited for the new named backpack tho I already use safeguard

Is the new named chest gonna be good?

I don’t really know how much of a difference this is

[shy willow]

Numbers wise empathic has always been better, it's opportunity cost and the fact you have to manually trigger it

[rich cosmos]

Better for what

[vernal wing]

Buffing team as a healer

[misty walrus]

redditors demanding 30exp requirement makes sense now

[shy willow]

More TWD

[rich cosmos]

I’ll definitely have new healer builds to mess around with on this update

Near gearset doesn’t look interesting at all

[woeful vector]

Can anyone help with umbra build for escalations?

Or any decent build for them where I won’t die and can still do damage.

[shy willow]

Striker, guide is in the pinned spreadsheet

[woeful vector]

Any other builds. Beyond boring build. It’s all I’ve used for most my time playing

[livid sorrel]

i barely see umbra anywhere

escalations are much more strict with builds that's why people only use striker on higher tiers

[shut kindle]

You need a good healer, then you shouldn't be dying

[shy willow]

You will find escalation to be a beyond boring game mode then because that's all anybody runs😭

[woeful vector]

Why I struggle to get back into this game half time.

As no builds to grind for as usual, devs are useless and just milk one build for years .

[shy willow]

There are countless builds to grind for, escalation just happens to have a very restrictive meta

[misty walrus]

Prototype and escalation are the worst things ever happen in this game

[shy willow]

If you want more build diversity, you will not find it in escalation

[livid sorrel]

heroic is still fine, i'm having fun with nego, hf, and he rav

[misty walrus]

It's partially a half cooked reskin mission with the same heroic ai "hit harder and hurtier".

[shy willow]

Well yeah

[vernal wing]

You are obligated to engage with neither of them.

[muted ridge]

You are engaging with it by proxy when you group for heroics and a team of 3 proto players rock up and invalidate the content

[woeful vector]

Well no matter what I try and do. Whenever I ask for a build it’s always striker.

Tried to do raids but they wanted some weird min maxed build so I got kicked, even tho I had good striker build on?

[shy willow]

Ehh the percentage of people who have competent prototyped builds is extremely small

[rich cosmos]

Am I missing something, why would I ever use this

[shy willow]

You wouldn't

[misty walrus]

Unless other 3 teammates are full proto and turning a leg run into heroic

[rich cosmos]

This is like, the worst healing build Ive seen

[shy willow]

I do hope it gets big changes before release cuz rn it's very sad

[rich cosmos]

Yeah this seems awful

[shy willow]

Because you don't specify what you want

[rich cosmos]

“Healing efficiency increased by 10%” like wtf

[misty walrus]

I think proto gears should be in its own island

[shy willow]

If you said you wanted a good multi target dps build for instance nego would be recommended

[livid sorrel]

HF, Nego, OD, HH, Pesti

[shy willow]

Headshots? Rifles or MMRs? Then breaking point or hotshot etc etc etc

[woeful vector]

What 💀. I literally just asked for any builds? Are you daft

[livid sorrel]

I just gave you 5

[shy willow]

Yes, that's the point

[vernal wing]

“The game is too easy”
“The end game is too hard”

[shy willow]

If you broaden the scope of your question to that degree obviously people are going to give you something simple and easy to use

Nobody would ever recommend headhunters fury to such a question and that's one of the most potent builds in the game

[livid sorrel]

I should start doing that

[woeful vector]

I know? I was replying to him before you sent the message…….

[shy willow]

It's like somebody asking for a healer build and you recommend them cavalier

[muted ridge]

I dont know what any of that means. The point is, if prototype gear is needed only for escalations, then it should be restricted to escalation game mode. Otherwise it trivialises all content below it, which effects anyone who wants challenge that isnt just escalation mode. I have full proto strikers with echoes and the rest of the game is a cakewalk now.

[shy willow]

Like yeah, I guess, great in some situations but why wouldn't you recommend future initiative if they didn't specifically want something more niche

[woeful vector]

Don’t get why you’re purposely being difficult when I simply asked for escalation builds 💀

Like you’ve went out of your way to overcomplicate and confuse yourself?

[misty walrus]

There should be guaranteed high rewards like cosmetics, caches by the end of the season, so ppl still have intensive to play escal if proto gears only work in the mode

[shy willow]

Yeah, striker

[vernal wing]

Go raid.
Take your Proto gear off.
Do an activity with less than 4 people.
Do they have to hand feed you challenges or can you not come up with them on your own?

[shy willow]

If you don't want to use it you're not obligated to but expect to be kicked and/or struggle with dps

[muted ridge]

yes there should be escalation only cosmetics and the like

[fickle sparrow]

if using say strikers or ongoin d for legendary content whats considered a good choice of blue cores? 2 or 3 maybe?

[shy willow]

Ideally none

If you wanted some tank imo running memento and another blue core should be plenty

[misty walrus]

Mm leg, summit could find almost no lobby, because escalation now is the only logical place for ppl to get the best gear

[shy willow]

Should've been locked behind expertise

[muted ridge]

You just want to faceroll content thats not escalation. You could do that before proto was introduced, just change game to normal. If you want challenge of escalation, which is great, why do you need the gear in the rest of the game?

[fickle sparrow]

@shy willow i just remember always gettin told to ''get some blue cores on'' before attemptin them and its been a while since i ran any but ok...il go 1 or maybe 2 and see how i go

[shy willow]

If you're newer to legendaries yeah that's the general recommendation to give you a buffer

[shy willow]

Ehh to be honest the powercreep was already insane

The only thing it's trivialised is legendary to an extent

[dawn perch]

Escalation heavily dps favouring mode and striker and mayb ts are the only dps build that actually work there. But the mode needs to get nerfed or something.

[muted ridge]

It was you are correct, so the very last thing we needed was more in the general game! I'm all for escalation and prototype gear as a challenge system, not for ruining everything below the mode.

[muted ridge]

Eh? Have you played heroic with proto gear? Its a joke

[shy willow]

On paper TS would be the other heavy hitter for escalation but I'd never recommend it because of how obtuse it feels to use

[shy willow]

The point being heroic is already a joke

[dawn perch]

They honestly could have made prototype sidegrade instead of upgrade

[muted ridge]

Yes and that was a problem all of its own, but then add more power creep was not good for anything below escalation mode.

To throw our hands up and just say "oh well" we were too powerful anyway is not going to keep the game below escalation healthy.

[vernal wing]

Power creep doesn’t really matter if it isn’t hidden behind paywalls. Why would a developer release items and gear that are Worse than the current meta and not any more interesting.

[dawn perch]

They could also make the prototyoe gear like another class of exotic one armor and onr weapon only. But buff talent signficantly. Also nerf the escalation to the ground in the enemy scaling

[shy willow]

I suspect they will balance new content with prototypes in mind I.e climaxes

Id have been perfectly happy with prototypes with just the augments and not even stat boosts

The augments are like 90 percent of the fun

[pale socket]

would pestilence be better with strikers or tipping scales?

[muted ridge]

Power creep does matter in a game, other wise it will trivialise that game. We can see that in anything below escalation mode when played with proto gear. Really we just needed harder content.

[livid sorrel]

Neither, it's either concentrated company or lengmo he

[shy willow]

Ideally you wanna go with concentrated company or lengmo

[pale socket]

ok thanks

[muted ridge]

i really like the augment system, that alone would've been enough imo.

[dawn perch]

I would buy that and make so it is super easy apply to your old gear and materially cheap

[shy willow]

Like hell yeah grenades are so back (sort of)

[muted ridge]

Dont get me wrong, I like the challenge of the escalation system, but the cost of balance for the rest of the game is a shame.

[hazy steeple]

Changes are coming to the costs of it.

[dawn perch]

The problem is that less people are countdown now and farming gear is now in that terrible mode.

[hazy steeple]

changes to what the Host gets, changes overall, etc.

[livid sorrel]

Proto does let new players skip a good chunk of progression before escalation, but that's already out of the bag

[vernal wing]

Retaliation is much better imo for farming

[vernal wing]

Yeah, when I started, I had all my builds and exotics within 1 week of playing. Countdown/Retal are oversaturated with loot.

It was fun to progress so quickly, but I quickly had nothing to do

[dawn perch]

I kind of feel the expertise system is already needs to be reworked. It is not fun grinding that mess.

[muted ridge]

I do believe that proto gear/esca and the rest of the game could work very happily in parallel, but one side of the game shouldn't be trivialised by the other. Most ppl are farming esca mode as it increases player power for the mode its being played in, and this is great. But the kicker is that it effects players who group up to play modes below esca, and it should not do imo.

[livid sorrel]

Let us normalize proto ourselves

[dusky jetty]

these escalation builds are getting out of hand 😂

[dawn perch]

The ramp up diffciulty is stupid there for a new player. People will either need be hard carried (bad experience for all) or they quit due to being overgeared or the difficulty of the mode makes them ragequit.

Honestly make is so that playing the other modes not be an opportunity cost. Let us make our old gear matter.

Otherwise, just let every drop be prototype and let us modify like normal

[dawn perch]

WhAT THE HECKNIS THAT

That is struggle bus

[misty walrus]

once ppl reach to the endgame easily, theyll get bored quickly

[dawn perch]

That is when i tinker with builds

[dusky jetty]

a teammate queuing t8 💀

[dawn perch]

I am fine with strange build but i am need to know the purpose

[dusky jetty]

purpose: its purple, equip it

no clue what they were thinking 😂

[dawn perch]

Wot. No. stop. There a reason is why throw out the majority of pickups.

[dawn perch]

I think i know what he going for. He trying do a statua build via amalgam. While providr support via heals and turret. Problem is that it is not very focus lmao and also waveform for this build is extra bad

[vernal wing]

The problem is, most games don’t have a real end game anymore. It seems developers on every game struggle to keep players engaged after the grind. Or they just introduce a slower grind to keep players on the game.

[sage tusk]

what builds are actually viable for endgame content me and my bro are relatively new , niether of us particularly like striker is there any other viable options because the builds im getting from youtube do nothing for me ?

[vocal robin]

anyone have a solid build for FI heals?

[livid sorrel]

you're not gonna like escalations then.

negotiators for multi target, HF for close quarters solo

[vocal robin]

striker is OP and easy to manage if you have a shotty. Shoot with the shotgun first to build stacks quickly, then shred everything with an AR.

[subtle bluff]

You don’t need to pre-stack to use striker.

[subtle bluff]

Here

[true spoke]

I am currently looking after the strongest possible rifle build. No oneshot. Practical usable sustaindamage build for every content.

I hate... i really hate the current RPM-Meta. No other builds, no other weapontyps have any relevance. Is this the kind of balance massive want? And i am looking for an alternative. Goal is not to challange striker. It is to play as many content as possible with a rifle and reduce the usage of striker to the absolute minimum. No oneshot... i play sniper if i want oneshot.

My current builds are OD and critdamage... both do arround 8m dps. My goal is 10-12m.

[solar sable]

FYI, DPS meter from the range will not tell you your real DPS, so that is useless and pointless as a measurement.

Give me a few minutes to find the template

read this
https://docs.google.com/document/d/14dz6MOKZLLr_fjJPUIUCwMtkaSJAjKMKNmFjqAJ5SA4/edit?usp=sharing

[vernal wing]

Any reason to not just play Concentrated Company with overdogs?

[ocean wyvern]

CoCo on rifles seems like it would be a bit clunky ngl

[wanton topaz]

I saved a build picture (below) and i wanted to ask if its a website or where can i do these builds in this style, like detailed and to be presented. For me its very nice and readable, and helps a lot to know what to look for when im trying to get together a build
cause id like to put together another one in this style as i said. thanks 😄

[lament reef]

that is https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/

[wanton topaz]

aaah thanks, life saver 😄

[flint arch]

https://buildstation.app

[solar sable]

hell no that's awful

[icy jasper]

It's pretty fun ish with merciless

[solar sable]

sir, please use the link Corrupt shared, not the other one

mxswat sucks when sharing

that same template you shared is the one Buildstation.app has

[wanton topaz]

yeeaah, i saw and thats the one 😄

but good to have 2, so i appreciate that one too, thats nice too

[lament reef]

Whoops, my bad

[vernal wing]

I mean the other options are…. High end rifle?

He said no one shot builds…

[ocean wyvern]

I feel like it would be a smoother experience over CoCo with a rifle, just my thoughts though

[vernal wing]

I would personally play High end, but people hate using sacrifice

[ocean wyvern]

Having been on both ends, I too hate using sacrifice, but I'll do it in the name of big number

[subtle bluff]

I’ll be honest. Rifle just at there base level isn’t high enough to scale well enough.
There are some meh players that will say they do something with TS and blind fire for a lot of it but in the end they’re effective actually DMG overall is very weak.

A old and not niche but situational is Nego. I have some off-meta support things with A rifle that’s hasn’t been tested.

[fossil crag]

i hate this game.. LOL🤣 I just made that i did not want status but i got the AUG i wanted LOL

p.s I dont hate this game at all but... Fack this game LOL\

[steep wedge]

Can you remind me why is useful to have this color scheme for your gear? it should be purple isn't it

[ocean wyvern]

The color scheme comes from the colorblind settings

[steep wedge]

But I see a lot of people usingi t, is there a technical gain from it? or am I just being an a-hole and everyone I've seen is actually color blind lol.

[lone wadi]

i use it cus it looks cool

[exotic talon]

should i put dta, dth or chc on the headline grabber

[lone swan]

Hey there, I'm working on a basic striker build (Equalizer + cezska piece for CHC + 4 striker pieces) but my CHD seem quite low (59%), almost all of my modules and attributes are optimized to reach 54% CHC, is this okay or am I doing something wrong ? or 59% is supposed to be quite enough ?

Do I need to focus on getting Coyote exotic or stuff like this to improve that ?

[vernal wing]

People just like to be different.

[subtle bluff]

In general for most impact on DPS it goes: DTTooC > CHC > RoF > DTA/DTH

[exotic talon]

headline grabber is an lmg so chc then

[lone swan]

getting hard time in heroic for some events like retaliations

[subtle bluff]

Are you following the starter guide?

[lone swan]

yep, I'm quite close to it, but I feel quite weak, I guess I need to farm St Elmo and Coyote to give me some better chance ?

[subtle bluff]

No.

It shouldn't say coyote in the guide as the other gear to get.

[lone swan]

yes Overdogs for the glove

but I will lose more CHC I guess

[subtle bluff]

That's fine.

What's the weapon you're using?

[lone swan]

M4 Police but now G36 with the attribute to target uncovered ennemies

[subtle bluff]

And post the build to ensure the rest is right.

[lone swan]

instead of CHC or CHD

[subtle bluff]

What talent?

[lone swan]

optimistic

[subtle bluff]

Talents should be killer or measured like mentioned.

[lone swan]

I tried Killer first, but it hasn't really triggered so much, because of low CHC I guess or just being bad at time

[subtle bluff]

Here's a showcase.

[barren mica]

Can anyone help me figure out what stuff to farm in order to get a build going that uses drones as much as possible?

[fossil crag]

I am 1/2 color blind and... i can find my hive if i lose it haha

[fossil crag]

both lol

[subtle bluff]

What SHD are you?

[barren mica]

6 if this is what you mean

Very fresh into end-game

[fossil crag]

you a baby!!!

🐣

[barren mica]

Started playing last week with a friend and we reached end-game yesterday

[fossil crag]

nice

[subtle bluff]

Go to the Pinned Messages and start with the starter guide.

That will help you start off the you can build into refactor that's in the build hub guides.

[fossil crag]

not at all

[lone wadi]

nah

[fossil crag]

Im color blind And lines it has zero "because its kool" factor

[fossil crag]

oo YOU! lol yeah na you use it cause lkool lOL

[lone wadi]

yea idk what’s wrong with using it cause of that lol

[peak yarrow]

It’s better to use all red crest build for escalation? Because if I use a blue crest instead of red the enemies will not be affected

[vernal wing]

I swear you’re just here to start stupid argument

[lone wadi]

What’s your problem xD

[fossil crag]

I misread your post hahhaha

[fossil crag]

who ever are you..?

[vernal wing]

JohnLexington

[onyx sage]

I'm John Division

[vernal wing]

Better than John Multiplication

[fossil crag]

nope IDK you must be below my pay grade

[vernal wing]

Ask for a raise

[fossil crag]

you need to ask for the raise Not me

[vernal wing]

.

[fossil crag]

you must be much moe bad at reading then me, If you open your eyes not your mouth youd see I said OO my bad I mis read that I taught he was saying I use it for kool factor not Him... prob should get your eyes check

[subtle bluff]

Chest or core?

Please try that again.

[peak yarrow]

Core

[subtle bluff]

More armor doesn't do too much in the long run.
Can someone post the red core guide.

[stark rivet]

chart or website showing best of LMG guns? still running a mg5.. its ok

[subtle bluff]

If you go to the Pinned Messages > Build Hub and search for 6 core Red guide that'll explain a lot.

[fossil crag]

You want the MK

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no depending on content for general PvE it's very good.

Don't use Google/AI for this game there's a lot of misinformation out there.

[urban latch]

Dont use Ai

[ocean wyvern]

Wasn't MG5 the top of the LMG charts at some point?

like a couple years ago

[fossil crag]

couldnt say I just know that today its the Mk with frenzy for the essy missions

[subtle bluff]

It is. Why it’s in one of my showcases.

Just being on top of once chart isn’t the overall picture. Burst, Sustain DPS and Mag dmg all make it all up.

[ocean wyvern]

No not at all, but it seemed like it held at least burst and sustain DPS at one point before the MK46 rebalance

[subtle bluff]

It still holds the top of Burst at Base numbers.

Sustain shouldn’t ever been it.

MK46 iirc sits in the middle.

[hazy geode]

the other exotic u can run

is birdies quick fix bag

[subtle bluff]

Yes it’s the notes. But running Birdies off the bat isn’t helping anyone.

The things you can do without it on is a lot more than it being on.

[hazy geode]

I dont have btsu which is annoying

and NO ONE

is doing true sons retals

[dawn perch]

okay i am trying heal my team they do not want to stay in one place for the hive to be effective should switch to different skill?

i have chem launcher

as in they play super deep

also it is super hard to hit themn

[halcyon crater]

Use both

[dawn perch]

i do but they just move super deep into the enemy

[vernal wing]

Follow them

Or throw the hive toward them. Enemy usually ignores your hive

[dawn perch]

i do and it is mega resky

[halcyon crater]

then it's a skill issue on their part

[vernal wing]

If you have 1 guy who is stupid let him lay there dead and stupid. He’ll figure it out when you carry his ass long enough.

[exotic talon]

WHAT
FRENZY PROTO GR9 WITH DTA

[solar sable]

almost W

gotta wait until recal comes

[exotic talon]

dude ill take it dta is better than most of the dogshit attributes it couldve gotten
tier 3 solo too

[subtle bluff]

wait isn't proto only 2 stats improved?

How the hheck is alll of them have it..

[dawn perch]

it more like the party is scatter =_=

[subtle bluff]

still rather sad to see proto DTA is only 8 from 6...

[hazy hull]

What's better thorn with perfect brazen or super 90 with regular brazen

Trying to work out Wich shotgun to use for my hunters fury build

[subtle bluff]

P.
M870 and KSG if built right should be able to one shot once brazen is proc

heroic elite

[sullen night]

I assume he means "can", otherwise I have no idea how to interpret that statement 🤔

[exotic talon]

I GOT ECHO ON IT WITH ONLY 2 REROLLS

[onyx sage]

can...

[hazy hull]

Probably gonna run m870 then since I dislike the ksg

[subtle bluff]

Murrrrrrrr

[onyx sage]

noob

[subtle bluff]

There more or less the same thing.

[sullen night]

I personally use Tinkerer on my hunter's fury pump action build, but Thorn is pretty good if you don't play with Tinkerer. Highest base damage and perfect talent, if you don't mind the slightly sluggish RoF (and most importantly for me, the SPAS just looks really cool to me 😅 )

[exotic talon]

so is dumping your mag at the start of a run the way to go with frenzy gr9

[subtle bluff]

I am the decent player.

I can't solo T6... (too lazy... To slow down...)

[exotic talon]

is this acceptable for mid tier escalation

[onyx sage]

ye

[shut kindle]

They aren't turmoils are they?

If they are, swap them, they're bad for escalation

Better to kill what's in front of you

[solar sable]

they aren't, they don't have a talent icon

[shut kindle]

Ah, then yes it's more than fine

My build is very similar

[fossil crag]

HHF guys, I need some advice...

[onyx sage]

wuh?

[smoky latch]

Where question?

[smoky latch]

Tofu, did you fall asleep on your keyboard? 😬

[fossil crag]

Na, i was doing a hostage and it spawned EVERY THING!!!

[subtle bluff]

Where did the 2nd proto stats go to?

[fossil crag]

left pack I just made like I converted it and it gave me the aug i wanted
I knew I was taking a chance on getting beefed up status ( i had a gut feeling it was gonna roll LOL )

the one on right is my Baby but im at 16 protoe core to re roll the aug I want immune

I didnt want Status to get that jacked up

BUt, its still sexy af

do I say FID and rock the one with jacked up status

Do I spend the 16 to re roll it and chance not getting immune

IDK what to do LOL

[fossil crag]

all the ones i "convert" only give me one new max roll expect one pair of stiker knees I got both max stats haha

[onyx sage]

i think weapon damage is the better pick tbh

[fossil crag]

I think so too LOL the DMG is way moe better then the aug yes..?

[subtle bluff]

Have you ever tried using AUG in a mission yet?

[onyx sage]

he means augment

[subtle bluff]

oh...

[fossil crag]

i know you guys are number guys im more like FID it will work LOL

[onyx sage]

but yeah the augment for HHF doesn't really do anything rn tbh

i run quantum because quantum

[fossil crag]

Yes!!! me nati and vegonie did some crazy leggy missions haha

[onyx sage]

nice

[fossil crag]

and it works the immune one

I rocked it for all of zoo, till boss hahah

in open world I took a isis bomber a nade a LMG dude and lived LOL

Quantum does work at least for me it does

[junior lagoon]

ok what are we looking at core strenght? got some protos but no clue which to keep?yellow or red core, whch attirbutes?

[dusk edge]

Caduceus would be perfect for TS i reckon?

[subtle bluff]

You know my opinion..........

Useble yes. Prefect no.

[dusk edge]

still Striker eh?

[subtle bluff]

yup

[dusk edge]

perfect for survivability

[subtle bluff]

Striker Chest is used in +T5 where it just wins in DPS.

TS is same for surivablity as striker so I don't see the point with that.
But also same with the rest of the DPS builds.

[smoky latch]

Watch BF HazPro builds pop up like mushrooms from the ground once again

[fossil crag]

ok one more question, re roll my augment on the one that has wp dmg to try to get immune (16 core for re roll ) or again refer back to FID Use it if you got it LOL

[junior lagoon]

I know my PVE DZ extraction build

[exotic talon]

yellow cores with either chc or chd, but this is specifically for pvp capacitor builds
for pve theyre just proto cores

[subtle bluff]

I mean I'd rather this vs the other stuff... The game at the top end is gonna be weird.

[exotic talon]

carebear ass build

[subtle bluff]

Like it's cool but anything being a challenge where Teamwork and team comps matter is dead.

[tulip minnow]

Is there a build that uses chameleon?

[exotic talon]

what are the new brand bonuses

[subtle bluff]

Striker and HF

[subtle bluff]

It's PvP gearset

[smoky latch]

PvE DZ - had a good laugh when I heard that, ngl

[tulip minnow]

Chameleon over st elmos is a downgrade?

[exotic talon]

i mean the gold pieces

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no..

There 2 very different weapons

[exotic talon]

cham is technically stronger but elmo just wants you to shoot

[tulip minnow]

Gonna try out chameleon then see how that goes with me

[exotic talon]

what does the new gear set do btw

[smoky latch]

Reduces healing skills range and durarion but increases skill efficiency

[exotic talon]

only for healing skills or every skill

[smoky latch]

Healing apparently

[exotic talon]

so its like a precision healer build, interesting

or just a selfish camper

[smoky latch]

You can watch the stream, it's in the last quarter of it

[smoky latch]

Ah duration too

[subtle bluff]

New clickbaait.... New Meta healing....

🤮

OH GOD... Someone is gonna do 3x FI and 2x this with NBB now...

[smoky latch]

You'll love Nurse's Kneepads too

[subtle bluff]

Where's my office meme for no no no...

[solar sable]

did they fkn recycle the same apparel from... omg...

[subtle bluff]

-# plz don't post it

[subtle bluff]

It's pre-PTS it may change

[smoky latch]

I guess the new apparels didn't make it in time

[subtle bluff]

remember TBD is everywhere

[solar sable]

no budget

[gentle lichen]

They do that in every pts lol it's a placeholder

[smoky latch]

My bad, I won a giveaway and didn't spend 15 bucks on the event pass. Sorry

[solar sable]

this I didn't know

[exotic talon]

doesnt sound too bad for pvp

[subtle bluff]

TBH idk if I even finish my season pass..

rather use the gearset that duration can be rather powerful but idk much about support PvP

[exotic talon]

nurse's kneepads shouldve been a holster instead with syringes and a first aid kit (for fashion)

[solar sable]

too much work

[subtle bluff]

Too many holsters

[rich cosmos]

Okay so like

Why is the talent based on damage and not something like skill repair

[subtle bluff]

Not ready for people to put slop strikers together with it..

because 650 rpm......

[exotic talon]

i mean unlike div 1 you cant reliably stack both crit and heals

[solar sable]

oh its CadUceus

[rich cosmos]

I mean sure but those mods and the 60 round mag make it viable enough outside of healing

[subtle bluff]

I see slop Striker and TS builds be made with it.
My opinion is ND will the powerful one. IF the proc works the way I think it works

[exotic talon]

i mean you can just slap it on striker and call it a day
off meta dps support

[rich cosmos]

My issue really is just the heal being based off of damage and not an actual heal stat

Like that just encourages throwing it on all red

[smoky latch]

Of course

[rich cosmos]

Kinda boring as usual

Outside of the two named gears and the exotic ar, the new loot is really bad

[smoky latch]

The healing set has potential in PvP tho

[rich cosmos]

Ehhh

[smoky latch]

And S2 will focus on DZ, PvP etc.

[subtle bluff]

Like I said.. Striker isn't gonna work well with it due to it's RPM.

[dawn perch]

there is massive advantage. the heal work regardless of range. It teamwide

[rich cosmos]

The new exotic kneepads is extremely bland and unoriginal with really only two reasons to use it

[fossil crag]

Sorry caps loced, Even in div 1 that was a box gun*

[rich cosmos]

Thats not my issue again, its that its based on damage and not a stat like skill repair or skill tiers

[smoky latch]

Why is everyone calling it "fan favorite" then?

[fossil crag]

fan boy things white knighting LOL

[smoky latch]

Yeah I can see why it wasn't meta but still confusing lol

[gentle lichen]

I don't know...
Doing 1m crits you have to spend at least ~100-120 rounds to fully repair a full red guy

And with 650 rpm is eugh

[rich cosmos]

Well yeah that is also furthering my point, I think it should scale the heal based on skill repair not your damage

[gentle lichen]

I'm talking about the exotic in general

Boosting it to 3% would be nice

[rich cosmos]

Personally I think the attachment stats make it viable enough

[magic pilot]

Attachments are good

[summer totem]

Where's the mortar build enjoyer

[rich cosmos]

Im just salty with the talent function

[subtle bluff]

what about him?

[hidden valve]

i put this together in the hopes that someone can tell me where im going wrong. i feel like im not doing the damage i need to be. https://buildstation.app/td2/builder/game/NwiMP6Ky yes its missing JUST a FEW percent of crit chance to max that out. but crit damage is so freaking low because every peice of gear is trying to get crit chance up :/

[rich cosmos]

Seriously how is this supposed to be good I don’t understand

[subtle bluff]

you can go to the share tab and copy image

[gentle lichen]

Swap gloves to equa chest

[exotic talon]

ortiz keeps letting us down

[summer totem]

What's the difference between normal gc and pgc

[subtle bluff]

5% amp

[gentle lichen]

Is there a higher quality image I can't read this shit

[smoky latch]

and 10% more damage taken

[rich cosmos]

Sorry I don’t have one maybe someone else does

[strong cave]

Funny enough I was working on a full hazpro cavi healer. Then I see this drops. There is actually something useful about having a healer be immune to all hazards. Especially EMP

[subtle bluff]

What is this build for?
Normal PvE or

[rich cosmos]

Its only 10% haz pro tho

[hidden valve]

just a Big alejandro based Striker build

[gentle lichen]

Do we know bag and chest talents

[subtle bluff]

Aka normal PvE or something else?

[summer totem]

You're better off with tipping scales

[subtle bluff]

Ok we need a PTS channel...

[strong cave]

Welp. Nevermind. I didn't really get a good look bc tbh nobody can produce a quality image. I swear I saw 100. RIP

[gentle lichen]

That's trash i hope it's the chest

[hidden valve]

OH, pve i cant stand pvp. and im working up to escalations if i can nail down a decent build that wont get me laughed at

[rich cosmos]

Pack

[summer totem]

@subtle bluff why

Enlighten me mr chow

[subtle bluff]

If you're going striker you want this.

[magic pilot]

We will never have a good support backpack

[strong cave]

Escalation

[rich cosmos]

Surely the stats are wrong on the gearset because like it might be the first gearset that nerfs you more than buffs you

[magic pilot]

Big Al is mid

[solar sable]

who dis

[gentle lichen]

The humble measured assembly backpack:

[subtle bluff]

Striker, TS and ND are all good for it none overall better than the other.. Some win on some things other wiill at other things.

[magic pilot]

Never used measured assembly

[strong cave]

Protomac

[rich cosmos]

Tbf I use safeguard more

[summer totem]

@subtle bluff thoughts on 3 providence 2 named, overdogs, with turmoil?

For pestilence

[gentle lichen]

Room temperature take measured assembly with no bag is useless

[solar sable]

:thinkge:

[gentle lichen]

We're talking 10x more uptime

[strong cave]

Agreed

[subtle bluff]

My pesti guide is EVERY well built.

[summer totem]

Got bored and played it and to my surprise was dealing 2 mil per ticks

[strong cave]

Global event active?

[summer totem]

In exchange of being a fragile mf

[magic pilot]

#td2-build-advice message
I got a similar one here

Oh for pesti, 3 lengmo or striker imo

[summer totem]

Damn bro you made a new term for strikers, stickers

[magic pilot]

Strycker

[summer totem]

Not loading yet

[hidden valve]

then what other LMG is better for striker's? i only run LMG, i tried pestilence but i am really underwhelmed with it. same with bullet king and bluescreen

[summer totem]

Gr9

[strong cave]

Iron Lung

[subtle bluff]

I updated the DPS charts for pesti and added in a theory Proto Lengmo build. That's wild now.

[summer totem]

Or that lmg with perfect measured

[magic pilot]

Mk46/m249 mg5

[summer totem]

What's the 3rd talent for lengmo set?

[magic pilot]

Gearshift

[subtle bluff]

A good pesti build is actually trying to get as many numbers as you can.

[strong cave]

I personally main Iron Lung/Proto Tac MK16 w/ measured

[magic pilot]

30% lmg dmg

[hidden valve]

i have a god rolled one i use with flatline on it though

[summer totem]

Use measured on it

[magic pilot]

Flatline is terrible on gr9 it doesn't take the linked laser

GR9 outside frenzy is not good imo

[rich cosmos]

Im really excited for the new brand set, especially perfect safe guard

[summer totem]

Measured?

[hidden valve]

i pretty much ONLY use revive hive and scanner pulse on my non yellow builds :/ so linked laser having or not is a meh reason to not use flatline at least to me

[strong cave]

I went boom boom for Perfect Empathic Resolve. Its basically wiping Alps Summit chest w/ Empath off the meta board entirely

FINALLY something to replace Alps empath for my pvp/PvE healer builds

[hidden valve]

i might try measured with it.

[summer totem]

What's the new brand and gear?

What's the talent?

[strong cave]

New gearset is a new healing Ortiz set. New Brandset has no name yet but it's healer focused

[rich cosmos]

Brand set is repair skills 1 piece, 2 piece haste

Perfect safeguard and perfect empathetic

[summer totem]

Damn so healer theme

[strong cave]

The new gear set reduces radius by like 50% but super buffs your efficiency by idek how much. It also gives you hazpro. You'd be better off just going Cavalier Healer

[summer totem]

Damn perfect safeguard is heavenly

[rich cosmos]

I think perfect safeguard goes up a whole 30% more skill repair?

[strong cave]

Ish. That's if and only if you are at full armor. It's overkill for a talent

[summer totem]

Would be a shame if someone uses NBB with a healer gearset and the new brandset

[strong cave]

It'll be making a comeback in pvp for sure

[rich cosmos]

Not overkill for me, its a gift from heaven for my ideas of damage healer

Ive been struggling with damage healer builds for ages, this new ar and perfect safeguard are amazing

[strong cave]

Well, Cadeuceus will soon be the gun for that

[summer totem]

How do you think they'll adjust the cadeuceus?

[hazy steeple]

Just a reminder that attributes and skills are going to be rebalanced in PvP too, at a later date.
It's just Talents for now.

[summer totem]

Since there's no skill power, you think they're gonna make it skill tier?

[rich cosmos]

They said they might not, too soon to tell

[strong cave]

Do you know from earlier if they touched the stats on the guns too?

[rich cosmos]

I would just change cad to scale off skill repair

[strong cave]

It scales off of crit damage

[hidden valve]

like this?

[rich cosmos]

So healing non existent in all red but really good healing for skill builds

[strong cave]

It's a DPS healer gun now

[rich cosmos]

I just don’t like the idea of it being worse for skill builds

[hazy steeple]

No idea on gun stats themselves, but attributes are being changed so...I would assume maybe, leaning likely.

[rich cosmos]

I think cad would be really good with umbra

[hazy steeple]

That's not launching with this PTS Phase though.

[strong cave]

Sounds good. I still would love a patch notes list but have to be patient and wait until tomorrow for it

[rich cosmos]

I think my current idea is cad, umbra, perfect safeguard

[summer totem]

Yeah good enougg

[spare steppe]

❌

[strong cave]

Beemer chow and... Other chow.

Hmmmm

[hidden valve]

the chows are fighting >.>

[rich cosmos]

Core strength might also be reaaallly good with cad

[smoky latch]

That is a solid build, what's your problem with it?

[summer totem]

Chow vs mr chow

[strong cave]

Might be too meta. Not enough ninjabike

[smoky latch]

Lmao

[strong cave]

You're missing turmoil too on it

[smoky latch]

And 12 blue cores, duh

[strong cave]

Not proto either

[hazy steeple]

Everyone here is trying to hide the secret 3 Lexi' build.

[strong cave]

It needs to have more colors than a pride flag or it's not off meta enough

[hidden valve]

i have a frankenstien Ninja bike build for skill damage. i do like 400k with Aturret and and 2-300k with Sdrone

[strong cave]

Rainbow ftw 🌈💪

[spare steppe]

this server is more active then the division server

[strong cave]

Uh... You're right I agree

[hazy steeple]

This server is more active than itself?

[strong cave]

Let's go with that yeah

[smoky latch]

This is the official div2 discord tho

[hazy steeple]

That's an existential crisis in the making right there.

@spare steppe That's the community one.

[strong cave]

That's the reddit server lol

[spare steppe]

makes sense

[hazy steeple]

Its numbers are also WAY lower than this one, which also makes sense.

[rich cosmos]

I have to distract my d2 grief with other d2

[summer totem]

Dont be fooled that's keener making you schizophrenic

[strong cave]

Perfect-

Now, if I may... Please turn this into refactor. But ditch ninjabike

[hazy steeple]

Enjoy the Diablo 2 remaster.

[rich cosmos]

Meh

[strong cave]

What if they're wasting life on Destiny 2?

[smoky latch]

Soon, no more 👏

[hazy steeple]

This is div, we can't judge on wasting time.

[strong cave]

I can. I'm not a proto glazer. I enjoy my time

[hidden valve]

i have a refractor build and its trash compared to this frankenstien build i have

[strong cave]

Everyone point and judge

[rich cosmos]

As sad as it is, destiny 2 definitely needed to end development, regardless if you hated it or loved it

[strong cave]

I played it for 5 minutes. Enough to hit the main page. Then my buddy at the time told me there's a lot of DLC I'm missing. Went right to uninstall

[rich cosmos]

Just time to mourn and move on

The final update does look really good I will say

[strong cave]

That's how I ended up here. And can't get rid of me

😭

[rich cosmos]

Red flag game to red flag game

[strong cave]

Div players to Destiny players to Diablo players all talking shit:

[rich cosmos]

Absolutely begging we get large pve balance changes in the notes tomorrow (we wont)

[subtle bluff]

Nah when chow can run thru heroic like that clip then I'll care.

[strong cave]

Yes I left it pixelated as a joke to the ortiz post

[hazy steeple]

I forgot you were both named chow for a moment and thought you were talking in 3rd person.
Made it way funnier.

[strong cave]

Makes the spiderman meme more fitting 😂

[rich cosmos]

I haven’t complained enough about this yet and Im bored, screw this exotic I don’t care if its good I don’t care if its bad this shit is lazy as hell

[strong cave]

Absolutely won't happen lol. Thankfully pvp did get a partial rebalance

[smoky latch]

BF HazPro players are cheering

[subtle bluff]

I'm good enough with "5m DPS" as the meme

[strong cave]

Yeahhhhh those are as useful as Acosta's knees

[rich cosmos]

I mean not really

[hazy steeple]

They actually did discuss a massive PvE balance change a little while back, but no more word yet.
However: we didn't get any hint for the last one at all, so

[dawn perch]

is this good for trying heal people who are running all over the place?

[rich cosmos]

The problem is this exotic is useful for like two things only, backfire and pvp

[smoky latch]

Best stuff I read in a while here

[hazy steeple]

@rich cosmos And the Season! (potentially, maybe)

[subtle bluff]

You don't know the context so Idk why you're putting this here.

[strong cave]

I see it useful to use to prototype gear by the free comp

[rich cosmos]

Angy!

[weak pike]

If someone is running out of heals it's they're funeral

[smoky latch]

Just to antagonize you

[hazy steeple]

@rich cosmos The Toxicity from you is strong today. 🥁

[subtle bluff]

Nah. I know why but I'm being nice.

[strong cave]

I mean truthfully seeing those kneepads exotics made even ninja knees look appealing

[dawn perch]

problem it is not just one person

[rich cosmos]

Ive had like three games all deliver massive news and the most positive thing rn is improved d2 exotic transmog and a healing ar in div 2

[hazy steeple]

A potential 12 hunter battle with dynamic health+damage scaling isn't positive?

[weak pike]

At that point just leave

[smoky latch]

Exotic transmog coming?

[hazy steeple]

Honestly if you dont' find that sick as (potential) hell, then I don't wanna know you.

[strong cave]

That's the PvE dz right? If so I am VERY hyped by that tidbit

[terse horizon]

good talent? new to me, seems a good way to start stacking headhunter

[rich cosmos]

Des2 improving exotic transmog to let you wear any cosmetic over your exotics

[hazy steeple]

The best transmog that you can do is pretending the game is staying online for more than a year.

[strong cave]

F'in hell yeah. Finally I get to experience some bit from survival. Always wondered how hunters will be. They NEED to come to dz

[gentle lichen]

God this will be so damn good in pvp

[hazy steeple]

HAH

[subtle bluff]

If were higher base WD sure..

[smoky latch]

Oh Destiny 2, shrug

[gentle lichen]

If it can stack of course

[rich cosmos]

What is this directed to?

[hazy steeple]

des2. They are 100% gonna kill it.

[strong cave]

It'll probably stack. Just like beacon does

[dawn perch]

so, I would need to make social contract with my team to stay within heal range basically

[rich cosmos]

Thats just blind hate

[hazy steeple]

They'll leave it on to get des3 money, but as soon as 3 drops, its going in the live-service bucket.

[strong cave]

They technically did it to destiny 1

[rich cosmos]

D1 is still playable with servers

[hazy steeple]

As a former des2 main, I can feel the bungie-ness coming through.

[strong cave]

Yeah my IT classmate says the same thing. He had over 2700 hours before he quit

[rich cosmos]

Reminder that “former” is like 4 years old former

[smoky latch]

Why?

[hazy steeple]

@rich cosmos Probs longer actually, I stopped just after the smallening.

Battle.net to the smallening. I should catch up with the old clan.

[strong cave]

I never got to experience div 1 extraction and the hunters. So being able to finally experience it will be nice

[weak pike]

Essentially,but by constantly running from heals it makes you use more reinforcer heals on mobile team mates which is not idea

[smoky latch]

Oh so basically just due to the hunter mechanic

[strong cave]

Don't get me wrong I myself as a pvp guy am not happy we lost a zone. But hey, the concept is damn cool

[weak pike]

Ideal*

[rich cosmos]

Anyways the last season sounds actually really amazing, if it weren’t for the news of it being the last update you would see nothing but praise from people

[strong cave]

I wish they allowed it as a toggle so we pvp guys could keep our zone. But it's just for this season that we know of for rn

[hazy steeple]

It should be noted that the PvE DZ is next Season only, unless it's incredibly popular that is.

[smoky latch]

They could just add hunters to the existing DZs during extraction and have a Temu survival 😬

[subtle bluff]

-# I wanna says all off you get out of the build channel....... =x jk

[strong cave]

I think they should make it a toggle. It'll keep the pvp community happy, it'll make the PvE players happy too

[hazy steeple]

I would genuinely love if they added Companions to it in the future as well. Give people who want them back a space, but avoid the main map.

[rich cosmos]

Cough cough seasonal modifiers should have a way to be used all the time

[strong cave]

Chow don't go rogue on me

[subtle bluff]

There's 2 of us now... 😐

[hazy steeple]

Chow 1 is right though, back to the build-advice now.

[rich cosmos]

I miss my blind camera

[strong cave]

My build advice: make good builds, be good, don't be shit I guess 😂

Have fun too

[smoky latch]

Good builds come from here 😉

[strong cave]

Nah I get em from YouTube 🤩

[onyx sage]

i want to thank chow for his red rigger build

[hazy steeple]

Yeah thanks @spare steppe

[strong cave]

Raggy said what?

[subtle bluff]

-# ||RREEEEE||

[rich cosmos]

Watch the new gear be just like core strength where its chest piece is borderline necessary to use with the talent

[strong cave]

Gimme his slop I want it

Post that template, buddy

[weak pike]

No melee specialization,no pistol gear set sadge

[spare steppe]

👍

[strong cave]

[smoky latch]

Melee = useless

[weak pike]

Won't be if they make a specialization. Why have sweet dreams,claws out and bloody knuckles

[smoky latch]

Sweet Dreams has a talent, regular melee is useless

[weak pike]

Without sweet dreams yeah it is

[smoky latch]

But even that talent fails on purples with armor on T8 Escalations if you don't damage them prior

[hexed steppe]

Partially for a steady stream of exo components. Claws out good on pistol builds

[broken edge]

the way the game is setup as shooter is weird to want melee focus, i mean melee having some cooldown but good push against an enemy would be reasonable

[smoky latch]

Stagger or something would work, doesn't have to do crazy damage. Just something more useful

[hazy steeple]

The main issue with melee in div2, is that there's 1-4 of you, and 40 of them.

staggering one enemy means all their buddies are going to laser in on you and melt you down to Conley sized ashes.

[weak pike]

Well if they ever do a specialization (high doubt) just add inate tankiness to it to make it usable

[smoky latch]

As a last resort when getting flanked to be able to quickly dive into different cover should be OK tho

[hazy steeple]

If it's just a spec tree, that would get glued to a Striker setup so fast.

"you can get damage to armour, or be basically unable to die".

I pick the latter.

[weak pike]

Then change striker to shooting only

[smoky latch]

lol

Same SHD

[fossil crag]

I pvp a few hours after that photo hahah

[smoky latch]

i just logged in to do POs for the event pass, got some catching up to do lol

[fossil crag]

ahahahahahahaah Nice thats funny twinning!!

this was the build I was asking about I got 3 of them immune rolls and ooo my lord hahah

i got these last week super yummy LOL

[smoky latch]

I'm behind IG

[hazy steeple]

Shrek-looking builds today.

[fossil crag]

i have a extra chest and pack they are rolled HSD and CHC if you want LOL they protoe already hahah

[smoky latch]

Got any WH proto rolls?

[fossil crag]

its truly the best build in the game HF always has been ( if you solo a lot ) even when every one jumped ship after they nurfed intem. and bloodsucker combo

[fossil crag]

Not that are protoe.... yet........ MUhahahahaha

[smoky latch]

Look.at.this.beauty.

I don't wanna brick it with additional WH...

[fossil crag]

thats hot!

like I did..?

that was last 45 ex.comps.

[smoky latch]

Lmao

My condolences

[fossil crag]

got the augment I wanted though right off teh break'

[smoky latch]

I have not tried SE, going with WH strictly

Is it really noticeable??

[last schooner]

do I want wpn damage or skill tier Proto Core Strength pcs

[smoky latch]

You don't want CS at all

[last schooner]

lol!

[smoky latch]

Mid set in PvE, just don't spend any proto cores on it. If you farm it's fine

[fossil crag]

i tend to umm LOL forget to reload and now with frenzy its even worse!!!! so yes that extra 1.2-3 sec helps me ahahaha and IDK its like umm a 1998 volvo V70 its jsut sexy in a really weird way LOL @smoky latch

[last schooner]

yeah that's what I was thinking, cos its Core Strength @ DUA

[smoky latch]

I don't fiddle with CS, sorry, couldn't give you a good advice

[bleak thunder]

if i dont have a lexington whats a good alternative thats not an exotic as i want to use a laser sight on it

[smoky latch]

I just know it's OP for PvP but not good in PvE

[last schooner]

I think for PVP I need skill tier for the shield

[fossil crag]

its broken in PVP like silly broken.

PVE IDK i cant get it to work but you see what I use on the reg HAHA

[smoky latch]

Oh you are asking for PvP? Then yellow cores most likely

[last schooner]

yeah I won't bother for PVE

[fossil crag]

i have like 4 core builds LOL

(for PVP)

[smoky latch]

You live in Conflict, makes sense

[fossil crag]

only from 4:30- TBD EST mon to sun LOL
7ish week day 8-9pm weekendends LOL

motar, cap gun UA, reggy, tardy Big Horn core builds LOL

[smoky latch]

Yeah you're pretty decked out

[last schooner]

HF HH build > SMG HF?

[smoky latch]

Pretty much

[fossil crag]

for me yes. But I do still love my SMG/shotty HF still

[last schooner]

do you use white death to kill red mob from far to proc HH?

or just rush in and hit headshot with Shotty

[stone python]

Whats the best talent for this shotty?

[fossil crag]

nope. I jsut use my reggy for every thing i use these for dog if im outta stacks, and chungas if I mess up

[fossil crag]

and this for some "doors"

[smoky latch]

Depends but usually Regulus. MMR just for targets that are further away since I use a scope on it

[last schooner]

Does it have to be a pump shotty? Can I use super 90?

[solar sable]

orrr to stack HH

[fossil crag]

Did you buy the game..?

[smoky latch]

Pump shotgun

[fossil crag]

If yes, then use waht ever you feel comfey with , but Pump for the spicy numbers haha

im only useing the spaz becasue my goot goot friend gave it to me

lets jsut say this build is so good I design my outfits around it LOL

[last schooner]

huh?

[fossil crag]

I was jsut getting at, its your game Run it!!!! its not bad pump will be best but if you like the super use a super. I refuse to tell someone how they have to run something is all I was geting at bud!

like I run 2 shotties, people prob think im coocoo..... wait I am a little coocoo HAHAH, i bet Id die less with a WD. But IDC ima run it how I wanna run it hahah

[stone python]

The fella deleted T5 escal, what kind of build is this lol

[shy basalt]

Strikers

[stone python]

I mean he was using solely the shrif only

[smoky latch]

Striker's cuts the reload time shorter, possibly seasonal modifiers even with with a possible max of 67.5% WH

The Sheriff without that is pretty naked, the reload time is close to 4s

[shy willow]

That one paradox augment is carrying his mag size

[subtle bluff]

Yay proto slop

[lost wren]

is sheriff even good

[subtle bluff]

meh... You can some fun with but it isn't meta by any means. It does less than normal shotguns.

[shy willow]

Tbh I disagree the thing hits extremely hard and has way more range than a normal shotgun

It's more or less a rifle if it was actually good

It's not going to be any good for headhunter but it's crazy on crit

[plush cloak]

What is the best way to make streamline good? With tinkerer and killer?

I got a proto lmg with streamline and wanted to give it a shot. I was thinking TS with tinkerer and killer?

[subtle bluff]

I did say... Can... More of a niche fun I guess. I had some fun with incursion instead of BH. Meh

[shy willow]

Streamline itself just isn't that good

On paper good damage but if you wanna keep it up it locks you out of skills which is a massive downside

[subtle bluff]

Trinkerer is not the meta choice on TS same with Streamline. Only time stream can be meta is for HH builds.

[plush cloak]

But if you had to make it work, what would your go-to be for an LMG?

[subtle bluff]

Proto gear/weapons are not better than the proper build, gear or weapons.

[shy willow]

Ehh frenzy

[plush cloak]

I understand - just looking for some input to try it out.

[subtle bluff]

both exp and stream just add to your WD number which in a sense is already big enough.

[silent storm]

Streamline just isn't good