td2-build-advice

[olive abyss]

Thanks mate

[smoky latch]

You can have 6 skill tiers max. Prototype Utility cores give 1.5 cores. So you need 4 pieces of that to reach skill tier 6 if that's what you're asking

[olive abyss]

Yes that’s correct. Thankyou

[grand girder]

gets a little tricky with the +1 from spec because its 1.5 each so if you have 4 pieces that 6 max, if you have 3 thats 4.5 (5.5 with spec) which basically means 5

[olive abyss]

Just thought of that. Thankyou

[stable cove]

Hey guys, I want to play a OD build for low farming (for when mys triker is not getting stacks because things die too fast) and i'm just wondering what exotics are good to pair with it and what pieces I need for set / what I should use for off set pieces?

[bright raptor]

pinned spreadsheet -> Hub -> Ongoing Directive entry

[opaque wagon]

what setup is best used with First bloom?

[subtle bluff]

It nothing special just like any othert AR if anything worse due to it's handling.

[keen plank]

Go to your inventory,select it, "mark for deconstruction". Hit enter

[rare isle]

is it better to replace Fox prayer kneepad with BP knees for that 3pc bonus? for 1-shot build

or is the Dttoc really that good to pass up

[drifting cargo]

what should i farm to maxed my striker battle gear set ? also on sidenote is it fine if i use memento backpack to substitute that glove on the build ? or should i just find random ceska gloves and maxed it out ?
this is early lvl 40 build btw

[obtuse herald]

what attribute is recommended for lmg?

[subtle bluff]

You have the idea. Yes BP kneels then Overlords BP

[obtuse herald]

The striker backpack is really good for the set tho, I dont see why you want to replace it

[subtle bluff]

CHC

[obtuse herald]

ty

[subtle bluff]

In the Pinned Messages > Starter Guide

[drifting cargo]

i dont have that exotic glove yet, and i think i read the outdated build that use memento , fault on me

[subtle bluff]

No, memento isn't "outdated"

It's still one of the most powerful solo builds.

[obtuse herald]

Oh definetly not, I feel striker backpack is better for that set, besides momentum is more of a struggle with other people compared to solo

[drifting cargo]

ah i see now i wonder why my CHC is so low only at 41%

[obtuse herald]

The backpack increases your weapon dmg per stack only, also you can throw in another CHC to if not 60% to at least 50%

[drifting cargo]

aye thanks it seems super necessary

[subtle bluff]

Memento is just powerful all in it's own.

But standard striker is the meta.

[rare isle]

try doing Priority Obj i keep getting overdogs there

hyena retaliation can also give the Blueprint i think

[obtuse herald]

There's a pin for the retal rewards

[drifting cargo]

nice info ill start doing it

[terse scroll]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRgffXLcyOw does the classic M1A just have a way higher total dmg that the other M1A variants?

[jaunty surge]

Bros, what are your favorite solo Legendary builds?

Specifically, Roosevelt finale and DUA triple floor room.

[subtle bluff]

Roosevelt last section: Strikers w/GR9 Frenzy. You can kind of use striker chest if you're carrying but if you're use to it standard striker works really well.
DUA Mall: I like ND there but also striker works fine.

Most of Leggo isn't about the build it's more gameplay and knowledge.

[subtle bluff]

In the gearsheeet in the pinned you can look up all the weapons in there.

[jaunty surge]

Striker for the finale? That works?

I'm mostly looking for something that allows me to complete them rather quickly.

Years back, I completed them with classic M1A build but it took... a lot of time. I figure now, there has to be something better than a glass canon.

[rare isle]

is white death better scoped or unscoped for 1 shot

[fair dragon]

That's user preference. I prefer un-scoped.

[subtle bluff]

It's still glass cannon. You actually drop Overdogs so you can burn down them down. If you're really trying to burn them down quick there always rav.

Striker focus dmg is better so you can kind control the agro.

[obtuse shoal]

Best guess on next events tomorrow?

Hopefully something that increases chd or something so I can really melt

[steep wedge]

Is proto TS better than base strikers for overall damage?

Too lazy for math. I'm testing and it seems to be around the same.

[subtle bluff]

No..

Striker with Chest outright wins.

TS and Striker where yes sometimes can do more the real difference is in the stacks and how they stay up.

[jaunty surge]

Lmao. Aight then, I'll give it a shot.

[obtuse shoal]

Thinking about doing away with my UA chest and rock the chest and backpack and find a good holster …. Well I have a few things I want to test out

[steep wedge]

When you run striker chest do you run any named gear and if so what are the recommendations?

[violet saddle]

Salvos always good imo

[subtle bluff]

this is rather old but here's a Very good reference for you.
https://youtu.be/1_YYCh3_HkU?si=CoRZFhfthPisZ5yn

[obtuse shoal]

I have a god rolled salvo 🥰

Does anyone have a chd and dttoc st Elmo’s???

[subtle bluff]

I rarely run striker chest. Incurison and escalation mainly.
I just made some clips I haven't encoded them yet to share here yet.

[subtle bluff]

You can't.
It's just DTTooC.

[obtuse shoal]

Ahhhh ok

[steep wedge]

Okay cuz I'm just running the basic equalizer overdogs comp with strikers.

[wicked mica]

I made the striker build (CHC with CHD mods) but I feel as if I messed something up somewhere because the crit chance and damage are still pretty low

[subtle bluff]

that's the meta for a reason!

[shy willow]

Numbers you're missing are from your watch

[wicked mica]

understandable

[shy willow]

Drop the chd a bit to pump the chc up and it'll be fine

[wicked mica]

numbers lean slightly towards coyote’s mask and striker gloves

[viscid plaza]

When I become rich I won't tell anyone, but there will be signs.

[tepid mantle]

what would you guys change i feel like my dmg is kinda shit on my weapon i got frenzy and measured and i got 56 crit chanche and 80% crit dmg

[shy willow]

But why though

[viscid plaza]

I really like getting the extra value out of the named attribute bonuses.

[rare isle]

ive tried this cant seem to notice the difference

[viscid plaza]

I prefer the MK46, if you want you can replace measured with killer and try to proc off of weaker enemies

[subtle bluff]

You using overdogs?

[tepid mantle]

okay ill try this thanks bro!

[livid sorrel]

get to 1000 shd for watch stats, equalizer chest instead of TS chest

[rare isle]

yea

[misty walrus]

Ive finished 75% this game, Time to move onto 13%pfe

[tepid mantle]

whats the best way to level up is there a good guide ?

[formal parrot]

So I'm new pretty to Div2. Played Div1, loved it, still do. I'm trying to figure out stats and builds, though. The health/armor/tech stuff seems pretty much the same, but I need guidance on the circle and shield icons in the top left, below the build circle. Are they offensive/defensive values for those stat categories? And what does the skill tier stat do?

[soft crane]

Level 40 Starter Guide

Just get yourself to level 40 before making any build then read that guide.

Below level 40 just focus on the story. If you have Battle for Brooklyn DLC, you should have level 40 boost.

[soft crane]

On the left are core attributes, on the right are sub attributes. Skill tier is your skill level, the higher your skill tier is, the more damage or effective your skill become.

Max is skill tier 6 and theres also Overcharge which kind of massive boost but its never permanent and usually lasts for a couple of seconds.

[formal parrot]

Thank you, I'll check out that link

[vernal wing]

There’s no way Proto cons is better than OD

[sterile chasm]

when would I want Negotiators Dilemma over like Strikers?

[tulip charm]

I mean their both good

[sterile chasm]

ND works basically I spray crits into a crowd and then shooting one damages all marked right? for 60%

[tulip charm]

yeah think its 112% with backpack

[viscid plaza]

I think I would agree with you, I like the aesthetic of the build

[vernal wing]

Have to respect the drip

[flint arch]

if there's a large number of ads and the content isn't a hard DPS check

[sterile chasm]

countdown? for example. I guess Summit actually may be better,

[viscid plaza]

The scaling of 8 players sorta makes ND very difficult to run reasonably, an example is probably NBA or challenging retaliations, Heroic with a max expertise or proto weapon

[hexed steppe]

nego excels in anything outside high tier escalations

if you have at least 3 targets, nego is winning

[ocean wyvern]

Has anyone made a video version of the movement tips in the 6 red core guide?

[vernal wing]

Utterly useless in story mode

[hexed steppe]

[ocean wyvern]

so is Striker :^)

[hexed steppe]

dominates story with 5.11

[vernal wing]

I just finished a story mission with Proto Striker and Overdogs. I used only a quickstep the entire mission.

Did not surpass 10 striker stacks at any point

[ocean wyvern]

Sounds about right, I was more just fuffing around

[civic meteor]

How does tinkerer work?

[ocean wyvern]

if you have 2 unnamed, non-exotic weapons, it allows the weapon in slot 1 to have the talent of the weapon in slot 2 along with its original talent

[warped musk]

what would be a good gear set up for using bullet king

[ocean wyvern]

tbh, I'm not really sure what would be best, probably Tipping Scales or Negotiator's Dilemma? I could be entirely wrong but those 2 pop to mind

[vernal wing]

Bullet King is not really a DPS weapon (it has no damage talent) you would usually prefer to run any other LMG in its place.

It’s a niche weapon for mechanics that need constant fire without reloads.

If you really want a build around it, just 200 striker with Overdogs and Ceska Holster/Knee/Mask

[civic meteor]

No catch?

[ocean wyvern]

beyond 2 unnamed non-exotic items, nope

[vernal wing]

Mostly just losing an actual exotic talent

[warped musk]

i have blue screen is that better?

[dusk edge]

i'm stuck in a dilemma. i love my trusty Classic M4A but everyone seems to be recommending WD more... having Determined is very addicting

[jaunty surge]

Welp, looks like you were right. Took my classic Echo DPS build into Legendary, it was like playing on Challenging.

[ocean wyvern]

the constant fire w/o reloads was what made TS pop to mind, easy to suppress and keep stacks with it

[vernal wing]

I would argue yes.

But you could try the Tipping scales build, that might actually help Bullet King shine more

[ocean wyvern]

Bluescreen can synergize with other builds rather well and has built in CC, and still does pretty solid damage

[warped musk]

alright ill give it a shot, any exotics or brand sets i should pair with tipping scales?

[vernal wing]

Overdogs is great, memento is great, equalizer named Chest piece (unit alloy brand set) is kind of NEED to get

[warped musk]

overdog, memento, equilzer, got it

[solar sable]

you can only use one or the other (exotic wise)

[warped musk]

oh yeah true

[ocean wyvern]

for TS, the TS backpack is worth running just for the higher dmg per stack

[warped musk]

is it possible to optaine the memento or overdog by targetting loot for count down to gloves or backpacks on heroic

[solar sable]

don't do Heroic Countdown, it's not worth it

[warped musk]

gotcha

[solar sable]

but yes, you can

[ocean wyvern]

if you wanna farm targeted loot, retaliations provide more value in that area

[warped musk]

ok bet

[ocean wyvern]

you still get targeted loot + you can get exotic blueprints

[warped musk]

oh bet

[chrome dome]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11__a0xEKRKX22zNtLFwQM6P44oIq_h6g07a47Fd0X2M/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.am5atfliuvwx

is this the preffered build for FI healer

@dusky jetty

[dusky jetty]

not 100% sure tbh, I run this on mine - but it's likely not the meta one for FI

I prefer measured personally, at least for escalation - for legendary I swap birdies on the fly for revives and use the hermano backpack main/btsu

[solar sable]

FI bag is not recommended, you don't need more heals.
It's better if you run The Setup and Alps gloves to hotswap to Birdies or BTSU when needed.

For High Escalation, Alps vest w/Empathic Resolve and Birdies.

[chrome dome]

so stick with the setup and change btsu gloves to alps gloves and hotswap to btsu when needed? i plan on using mostly for countdown i havent broken into the world of escalation or raids yet lol

[solar sable]

ah, for Countdown, sure you can use BTSU 100% of the time, the team will most likely need the OC more than Birdies

[chrome dome]

good to know thank you 🙂

i plan to have a solid striker build and then a solid support build before trying raids or anything so i can know how both work

[vernal wing]

Honestly, I’m preferring to just run birdies flat out in high tier esc and run survivalist for the utility nades and armor break xbow

[elfin mantle]

does anyone know if its better to run on gr9 DTH or DTA or CHD

for tier 10 escalation

[smoky latch]

Neither. CHC

[elfin mantle]

even w

[smoky latch]

Also MK46/M249B are the better options

[elfin mantle]

my crit chance is already at max and okay cheers

[ocean wyvern]

If CHC is maxed, go CHD

[midnight steeple]

Just finished a chatterbox striker build, my next build to try is the one they call the ‘immortal’

[smoky latch]

How is it maxed out? If so, then you should look into re-distributing your crits

[ocean wyvern]

That chest piece has me asking questions

[elfin mantle]

well its not max its at 58.5 i dont see the point running CHc for the 2%

[smoky latch]

Show a ss of your build

Proto gear involved?

[elfin mantle]

yh

[midnight steeple]

Extra rounds in the mag, I found I was running out of bullets before the initial first kill and equalizer was sending me to around 65% crit chance instead of damage

[onyx sage]

wdym equalizer gives you more crit chance?

[vernal wing]

You always run CHC on your LMG and then put more CHD in the build

[midnight steeple]

Yes but it maxes out at 60% 5% wasted, with the one I got on its 60% CHC and 117% CHD

[grizzled garnet]

why kinetic momentum?

[elfin mantle]

I see, im running TS so chd is kinda irrelevent im waiting for striker to come to targeted loot so.

[onyx sage]

no, i mean with the exact same stats as the zwia chest you have on, you have the exact same crit chance

both have crit chance crit damage, equalizer's brand doesn't give crit chance

[midnight steeple]

I’ll look into it again, pretty sure it was for the brand bonus of more rounds in the mag though

[vernal wing]

More skill = more better

[onyx sage]

that's a separate issue, i'm just saying your chc is going to be unchanged.

i'd say the bigger issue is the talent just doesn't add to your damage whatsoever

[ocean wyvern]

plus the amount of blue main cores is hindering the damage severely

[grizzled garnet]

???

[onyx sage]

he's being sarcastic

[grizzled garnet]

neither of the skills do damage nor repair

[vernal wing]

Gotta buff that hive and shield brother 😂

[smoky latch]

Good sarcasm is a dying talent

[ocean wyvern]

I'd just say sarcasm is just indistinguishable when there's little to no tone available

[smoky latch]

That's not wrong

[midnight steeple]

I’ve not messed around with the talent on the chest piece

[vernal wing]

It just gets lost in text form, and especially when people come from other languages

[ocean wyvern]

Totally agree with that

[midnight steeple]

No I just forgot to mod the chest piece talent 🤣😂🤣

Literally love you lot 🤣 you find a flaw instantly while I’m still questioning how I can make it better 🤣😂🤣

[ocean wyvern]

If it's meant to be built around chatterbox, a sokolov chest piece might be worth looking into, I'm not sure if the damage will be enough to cover the gap with the mag size though

[onyx sage]

nah i meant mr JohnLexington up above, i didn't really mean to dogpile on it

[normal shadow]

Has anyone mathed out the math on which is better: Alps chest with Empathic Resolve and Birdie's or Alps gloves and Birdie's (and FI chest)? Context is higher tier endgame, escalation in particular.

[tulip gulch]

What are some of the better high end lmgs?? I have an MG5 and military MK46 but I see a ton of tactical M249s being used as well

[ocean wyvern]

M249 = MK46, same exact stats afaik

[smoky latch]

Minimal difference in stability

[flint arch]

akshually they have minor differences

[onyx sage]

empathic is slightly higher but worse if the team doesn't take much damage because it only procs if it does actual healing

in lfg/rmm empathic might be better, but in my teams with good players FI chest is more consistent for us

[ocean wyvern]

I'm guessing the MK46 is slightly higher?

[smoky latch]

Si

[ocean wyvern]

I'll make a note of that going forward

[onyx sage]

mk46 also craftable. i have a big preference for craftable weapons

[ocean wyvern]

just to make sure Papa Parkinson's can play TS too

[ocean wyvern]

That I definitely didn't consider, it does change what I'd recommend

[normal shadow]

So tiers 6-8 would benefit from Empathic but running tier 10 would warrant the FI chest and Alps gloves. Hmm, that kinda sounds plausible.

[onyx sage]

in my videos i mostly either run easily farmable/craftable weapons except regulus because it's so good. just to show that an "accessible" build can clear that content in competitive times

[ocean wyvern]

That's an approach I can appreciate and try to use

[onyx sage]

i would experiment with the team and see what works better. T10 can still use empathic

[normal shadow]

I see. So it's a "depends on the team and its capabilities" thing. So I'll start with Resolve and Birdie's and be willing to change if the team works well.

[tulip gulch]

Thank you @smoky latch @ocean wyvern 🙏 . I don’t have to go farm a M249 I can just rock the MK

[onyx sage]

yes exactly

[raw owl]

Can someone send me a good striker build ? im level 40 now

[fossil crag]

@raw owl I use the one with out the exotic gloves I dont care about super max dmg I just chillling having fun

[smoky latch]

Pinned spreadsheet, Striker's guide

[raw owl]

thx bro

[fossil crag]

OO yeah DUH! my bad

[smoky latch]

You're good, just easier to communicate and they get useful info in general

[elfin mantle]

sub 20 min t10 lol

[smoky latch]

There's room for more

[elfin mantle]

we’re tryna do sub 15

[keen plank]

the chest piece and gloves might take you a while to get but farming the striker pieces shouldnt be hard

after that farm other builds and thats the whole division loop.

[calm nacelle]

What builds is your team running? 3 dps and healer?

[uncut yarrow]

I like the dude who got the most dmg got the least kills of the 3 killers

[lone wadi]

that dmg doesnt really mean anything

[smoky latch]

Wdym, the dude with most kills also has most dmg

[lone wadi]

just means that your damage loop was either the furthest from 0 of positive or closest to 0 if negative

unless the dmg screen somehow tracks how many loops it does behind the scenes

[smoky latch]

It doesn't

[lone wadi]

then you cant tell who really did they most damage

you can prob infer from the stats but it's hard without the actual stats

[smoky latch]

Kind of. I'm fairly certain the dude with most kills has had two loops

[rich cosmos]

Okay so like, with the new vendor coming, is it fair to call proto gear level 50 gear now

[smoky latch]

You can already call it level 50 gear 😄

Cuz it makes level 40 gear obsolete. That is why all the newbs are already farming it way too early

[rich cosmos]

I feel like theres no defending it now

[smoky latch]

No, one can't hide that

[rich cosmos]

Like damn, in the span of half a season it has basically already proven itself to be a bad addition

Short term grind in exchange for long term damage

My only problem so far has been I just don’t get on enough to get targeted loot of what I want first

[smoky latch]

Nobody really does, half the proto items that drop aren't even "targeted loot" but random items

[lone wadi]

target loot has been crap the past few days besides tipping

[rich cosmos]

I just need to get all my tokens back

Lost all my tokens, just need to farm out a day of strikers or ars or something I want

Idk

The prototype system was just a massive mistake

[smoky latch]

I don't mind it per se but the implementation is crap

[rich cosmos]

It should’ve just been the augments

Maybe keeping the stats locked to escalation specifically

[elfin mantle]

All Using tipping scales

[tall shoal]

So as a person who just started playing again since WoNY, and I transferred from xbox to PC, so fresh start...I feel they should force you to max expertise before you can even get a proto drop. why drop hours and hours to hit 30 expertise when you can just target farm proto's? If proto was made for people that already have everything maxed, make it for them only imo. just my two cents...

[subtle bluff]

At least have some exp.... but same I'd like to say with legendary.

[elfin mantle]

3 Tipping scales one future initiative

[onyx sage]

can be faster with 3 striker

[elfin mantle]

true, just waiting for targeted loot to come

[urban latch]

Just run regular strikers

[exotic talon]

gah damn

[midnight steeple]

I’m a noob and I’m not farming it 🤣 I like the grind stuff the prototype gear till I’m 40 expertise 🔥😂

[exotic talon]

expertise goes up to 30

[midnight steeple]

Reason why I’m a noob 😂

[smoky latch]

Bittersweet exotic component

[exotic talon]

im afraid this is my favorite exotic for hunter's fury

[smoky latch]

I can assure you it's not

[exotic talon]

???

[ocean wyvern]

favorite, not best*

[smoky latch]

Well okay - I was more going by the fact it's nobody's favorite. More like, should not be :p

[ocean wyvern]

I get that, but I could see it for HF, especially with backfire shenanigans

[exotic talon]

...it is my favorite and its great for survivability when im being silly with crusader shield

[smoky latch]

Ok 😄

[ocean wyvern]

Does it repair the shield too?

Honestly, I haven't used like 70-75% of the exotics in this game

[smoky latch]

No, Oxpecker does that

[ocean wyvern]

you mean that gun has a use?

[smoky latch]

Not really

[ocean wyvern]

Makes sense haha, it's about as useful as an actual ox pecker

[exotic talon]

no you just dont die immediately if you get blindsided or the shield breaks

its heal is very strong at high stacks and applying bleed gets you bonus armor with that one backpack talent

[smoky latch]

Rip widdz, rip Wolf and all the others that promoted Oxpecker builds coincidentally during that time ^^

[ocean wyvern]

I have strong feelings on widdz

[smoky latch]

@civic meteor did you read this yet? :p

[civic meteor]

Idek what kinda build I used for the ox if it was strikers or something else

[subtle bluff]

Lol GE...

[warped musk]

This might sound dumb
BUT
what is a build that will like give lots of mayhem and shit (like explosions, crazy crowd control, etc).
Ik this sounds odd but im trying to find a way to make it feel like im just causing as much mayhem and destruction as possible like blowing everything up

Ik there aren't any grenade or rocket launchers other than the specialization weapons, but what primary weapons do you think would fit the vibe

[hexed steppe]

Mortar supremacy is the answer

[normal shadow]

The mortar turret.

[warped musk]

Bet

Would lmg's and smg's fit the mayhem vibe?

[hexed steppe]

Fire eclipse can, but mortar is unmatched in that department

[exotic talon]

nothing stopping you from running fire eclipse with mortar

[ocean wyvern]

I'm trying to figure out how you would work that

[exotic talon]

i mean they both want skill tiers and you can just put skill damage on eclipse

[ocean wyvern]

I thought mortar wants explosive damage though

[exotic talon]

is explosive damage even an armor attribute

[ocean wyvern]

It's a brandset bonus on china light and grupo

mortar usually wants the 1pc CL and 2pc Grupo + a way to overcharge (BTSU/Acosta's)

[vernal wing]

I’m not convinced that’s ever worth it

[ocean wyvern]

@hexed steppe would tell you otherwise

[vernal wing]

@hexed steppe is wrong

[ocean wyvern]

idk man, I've seen it wreck some stuff

[vernal wing]

The issue is, it’s not good enough to run in escalations, it just needs to be strong enough to 1 shot enemies in Heroic, and then you want it to have a quick cooldown

[opaque salmon]

Is this striker & augment good ? just got it in space admin

[smoky latch]

Low rolls and unfitting augment

Don't spend anything on it, wait until Striker's will be in the daily loot rotation

[opaque salmon]

Okay thanks

[ocean wyvern]

it's better than no proto at least

but as mentioned, on the lower side

[smoky latch]

Can be used for now, sure. Just don't waste any proto cores on it

[ocean wyvern]

Is it even worth prototyping pieces?

[normal shadow]

Unless you're willing to farm every single prototype you have, it is. The prototyped pieces at least have the right attributes and talents.

[obsidian lava]

Got lucky

[ocean wyvern]

oh dear god one of the cringetubers is trying to push HH/1886-Determined for escalations.....

[vernal wing]

I mean soloing is whatever

The scaling is different

[ocean wyvern]

yeah but soloing escalations is kinda braindead behavior

at least if you're hunting proto drops

[exotic talon]

agitator + back and forth goes insane

[ocean wyvern]

It's like they were made for each other

[exotic talon]

one of the rare instances of devs intending a pair of seasonal gear and it working out

[vernal wing]

Do you do scabbard?

Or gunslinger/versatile?

[exotic talon]

nope just agitator and interchange on generic striker

[ocean wyvern]

scabbard could be an interesting addition on that, gunslinger/versatile seems like a pain in the ass

[vernal wing]

Perfect versatile with Smg:shotty is kinda crazy

[ocean wyvern]

I don't doubt that it goes hard, the amount of swapping would make me feel like I'm having a manic episode though

[honest moss]

Going to be updating my refactor build, should i focus SD with ER chest or switch to CHC/CHD? Crit refactor being a bit more of a dps support rather than pure skills for healing?

[solar token]

does this build look ok? all minor attributes are chd/chc, investor has chd/chc/weapon handling (still gamblinginvesting in one with hsd instead of handling)

i think i've done as much as i can except for hsd but striker still feels like it ends up doing more damage

[honest moss]

Iirc it can't roll hsd just an fyi

[solar token]

ah yep, you're right. reading is hard

is striker's just that much better

[honest moss]

Realistically yes but for general stuff that build will be fine

[solar token]

i have a striker build too, i just thought this would end up doing more damage. it's got maxed crit chance and like 200% chd

[honest moss]

High end/hexotic builds are good but they do drop off in things with higher health. Tipping scale can sorta keep up with strikers but in the end strikers wins for basically everything since it is just easy and free dps with no extra effort

Keep in mind strikers (with the bag) is gaining 90% TWD at max stacks and default stacks are easy to maintain so that on top of a decent crit amount is a huge boost

Can also run striker with PGC or PO (named UA chest) or swap to striker chest for say higher escal tiers

[ocean wyvern]

striker's is also amp damage, so the increase isn't just additive, it's multiplicative

which makes a monstrous difference when it comes to damage gains

[vernal wing]

180% amp damage with the chest piece 🫠

[ocean wyvern]

assuming you're keeping 200 stacks up consistently

[vernal wing]

You don’t run it g less you can

[ocean wyvern]

of course

[hexed steppe]

No you

Also, not everything boils down to escalation... if it did, striker would be the only build anyone would run.

Isnt escalation kinda dead lately anyways 🤔

[hexed steppe]

Agreed. Couple ways I run it

[subtle bluff]

The enjoyment still of the challenge is leggo is still a thing. Escalation doesn't feel like a real challenge to a degree due to heroic AI.

[hexed steppe]

Could easily get away with 3 empress, china, wyvern, btsu

[subtle bluff]

I need to sit down and exo farm for a lil

[subtle bluff]

And?

Picture without context...

[slow glade]

Sorry I’m driving 😂😅

[slow glade]

Idk I feel stuck atm I’m really satisfied with the build I just feel like it’s missing something

I’m also confused on how to “upgrade” my personal gear to prototype levels or do I just have to grind the drops

[subtle bluff]

You're missing a lot.

Have you taken a look at Starter Guide in the Pinned Messages?

[rare isle]

is all red on legendary possible?

[rich cosmos]

Yes

[subtle bluff]

It's the most efficient way of clearing any content.

[iron geode]

should i be running overdogs or contractors for escalation ?

[smoky latch]

Overdogs or Ceska

[drowsy mica]

Anyone have any interesting Core Strength builds? I haven't actually bothered to try the new set up until now

[smoky latch]

Not really cuz it's more a PvP set

[obsidian lava]

Uhh, what? The project disappeared due to a glitch a while ago, and I just find this in crafting bench.

[smoky latch]

Comes from Retaliations

[onyx sage]

come play with us sir

[drowsy mica]

no, that's the original way to acquire Ridgeway's Pride

That quest disappears upon crafting it once or getting the piece through other means

[smoky latch]

Well they said their project disappeared somehow. If the bp is there now it probably came from Retaliations

[wicked ferry]

hey guys anyone know how i can improve this melee loadout the holster is claws out and backpack is hermano

[smoky latch]

Or they picked it up from an event, possible too

[shy willow]

add the sacrifice

[wicked ferry]

ok ill see

[onyx sage]

on my channel you can find full red runs of all legendaries. it's very possible

[keen plank]

Ill show you my setup

I have 2 versions. both are all armour

i only use them for pvp tho

[wicked ferry]

i setiup the sacrifice and it is a lot stronger thanks

[keen plank]

shit i mustve deleted those builds lol. but if you want max damage. put a booster hive on, a backpack with opportunistic and chestpiece is whatever lol. id choose perfectly efficient to get near infinite armour kits, combined with firewall and you are literally [TITLE CARD INVINCIBLE].

oh, and you need to use the firewall shield as you melee them

you have to drop the hive, hit someone with a shotgun or sniper then switch back to the lady death. its complicated but it does MASSIVE damage to players

its also good when you have to get melee kills for the global events.

[wicked ferry]

thanks

[lament birch]

IT JUST HAPPENED TO ME TOO D;

[hexed steppe]

should make for a funny test

no high hopes btw

[ocean wyvern]

Turret Protocol, dear lord

I hope it's a monster, I'd love to see new tech unlocked

[ocean wyvern]

I've never been so confused on how to feel about a gun

[hexed steppe]

this kinda works 🔥

[ocean wyvern]

I'm guessing Fire Chem for 2nd skill?

[hexed steppe]

yeah

[ocean wyvern]

How's the burn damage

Standard T6 fire chem I'm guessing?

[hexed steppe]

let me hit the range

[ocean wyvern]

Also just for curiosity's sake, do the overdogs make/break the build?

[hexed steppe]

its the whole point of proto on that setup

either my fire or my mortar builds use it, so pretty essential if you want to top out damage

[ocean wyvern]

Makes sense, I've been trying to not use it so much on gun builds, but it makes a lot more sense on a build like this

[hexed steppe]

capacitor stacked

[ocean wyvern]

That's actually pretty solid

[hexed steppe]

mortar is a bit weak on it, but good enough to help fire spread and mop up

[soft crane]

Aren't you getting 7.5 skill tier from this?

[hexed steppe]

no, ill only ever see 6 skilltier

[ocean wyvern]

nope, 3 from non proto + 3 from proto

[soft crane]

Oh right

[hexed steppe]

i think that ss i had 3 proto on, but it was cause i had, not cause need tho

nvm

😅

[soft crane]

2 Protos and 4 non protos

The colors are confusing smh.

[hexed steppe]

yeah color blind mode

[ocean wyvern]

I was counting skill tiers haha

[gentle lichen]

I like the purple protos

[ocean wyvern]

They're gonna run out of colors if they go any further and they'll be in the borderlands 2 dilemma where you end up with a rainbow rarity

[soft crane]

Oh I just realized my high-end AR build has precisely 60% CHC

No more, no less.

[grizzled vector]

i’m using strikers with pestilence, is that a good combo, or is there a better gun? it’s working pretty well for dot and crowd control for now, i just need suggestions on what other armor pieces or guns i should be running

[civic meteor]

I feel like I don’t like any builds

[grizzled vector]

also, is a “tank” striker build viable for higher tier content using negotiators dilemma, emelines guard with maxed crit chance, and two armor pieces that have repair skills?

[ocean wyvern]

It'll "work" but there's a better build for pestilence and you could probably do more work with striker's using a Frenzy LMG

[ocean wyvern]

Unfortunately not really, the higher you go in the content, if you're not a healer, you're gonna want all red

[grizzled vector]

understandable, i like both striker and tank builds so id like to bridge the gap

why isn’t tank viable at all?

[ocean wyvern]

Because the enemies eat through the armor just as fast as they would on an all red

[lone wadi]

because aggro doesnt work like other rpgs, enemies usually aggrooed to whoever is doing the most damage

[ocean wyvern]

So better off investing in the damage and playing smart on positioning and timing

[grizzled vector]

okay makes sense, are sets like rigger or something similar viable??

[lone wadi]

rigger sucks

[ocean wyvern]

I'd recommend refactor if you're wanting to go the skill route

If you're not running escalations, skill builds are pretty serviceable

[grizzled vector]

i just want crowd control dps but not negotiators, i don’t plan on it, but i want to be ready

[ocean wyvern]

Negotiator's is an odd playstyle for most people and it doesn't work as smoothly as they expect it too

[grizzled vector]

i like it, i have emilines with maxed crit chance, plus a bunch of other crit, i have like 55+ crit total, and i just rip enemies

[subtle bluff]

Just throw on Bluescreen on TS, Striker, ND or OD. ND just does it the best.

[twin parcel]

I use chameleon/Elmos with striker crit Ch/Dmg, fenris chest, memento back, crusader and reinforcer chem. Its pretty fun, but I havent played in a hawt min. I can do most things solo, but I havent done descent/escalations, nor do I plan to. And no way in hell i'm running legendary SH solo. i'd like to enjoy the game, not have my b@llz crushed. (T6 Crusader btw.)

[ocean wyvern]

MrChow pretty much nailed the bullseye

[grizzled vector]

oh my goodness you’re speaking tom clancy i’m a civilian

[subtle bluff]

Fenris Chest is not worth using vs Equalizer or Ceska

[ocean wyvern]

Bluescreen Exotic LMG is a pretty flexible LMG, works great on Tipping Scales, Negotiator's, Ongoing Directive, and Strikers

[grizzled vector]

LMFAOOOO i understand now

[ocean wyvern]

There's a lot of abbreviations that come in time

[grizzled vector]

yeah man, i migrated from borderlands lmao so i’m in my zone but learning the ropes

[ocean wyvern]

Typing them out repeatedly will give even the strongest of men CTS

[grizzled vector]

CTE?

[ocean wyvern]

Carpal Tunnel haha

[grizzled vector]

AHHHHH

[ocean wyvern]

lmao, I just had to

[grizzled vector]

both work i guess

[solar sable]

Corrupt Tcan't Socialize

[ocean wyvern]

Then Div2 will right be up your alley, plenty of looting and rolls with build possibilities, although I think there's a bit more depth in Div2

[grizzled vector]

no way😭

[solar sable]

are you a fast learner?

[subtle bluff]

I have issues with English…. I hate spelling

[grizzled vector]

i like the endgame content, there’s way more of that here, but i wish sets could be 2 or 3 piece, or have certain sets that can be 2 or 3 pieces

[ocean wyvern]

You can

[solar sable]

ini the beninging... in i... in the bening...

[grizzled vector]

no, ye, no, ye idk

[ocean wyvern]

Every brandset and gearset has a 2pc-3pc bonus, and gearsets have their 4pc "set perk", and the chests and backpacks modify the set perk

[grizzled vector]

yeee i know that, i mean i wish some sets had something kin to the 4px set boost at 2pc, so it was meant to mix and match sets, like a holster and gloves have something like ND chest/knees have something like SB

[ocean wyvern]

I don't think this community is prepped for that kind of power creep

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages, Gearsheet has all the info you’re looking at.

[grizzled vector]

GIVE IT HERE

give us new content, dual classed enemies, and give us mix and match sets

[ocean wyvern]

woah woah woahhhhhhh now

[grizzled vector]

imagine a healer tank, or a flamer grenader

[subtle bluff]

…..

[ocean wyvern]

I mean, technically all of that exists, but this game is literally meant to be a gun play showcase imo

[subtle bluff]

IF you really want to you can kind of do it with CS.

[grizzled vector]

yeesh i’m scared of cs

[ocean wyvern]

Core Strength*

[grizzled vector]

OH (not counter strike)

[ocean wyvern]

it's a gearset

I knew exactly what you thought haha

[grizzled vector]

i always get random CS pieces from the season

is there a good thing to do for more quantity of drops rather than quality?

without going higher difficulty

[ocean wyvern]

countdown but idk how active the queueing is on it, retaliations are always good for targeted loot, honestly just more enemies killed = more loot drops

[grizzled vector]

makes sense

[ocean wyvern]

larger player group = more enemies

[civic meteor]

But way to get uh over dogs?

[ocean wyvern]

Hyena Retals give the blueprint

[twin parcel]

i dont think equalizer existed when I last played. Plus im using 4x strikers with 1x mementos so regaining the damage per shot difference is a wee bit not happening with my current setup.

[neat vector]

can someone help with this as I am not able the attribute for my heartbreaker build

[lone wadi]

did you already recalibrate the armour slot? if so you cant recal teh sub attributes

[neat vector]

no i did not

[twin parcel]

it looks like you already recal'd it per the icon of the mask itself

wrench icon at top

[subtle bluff]

Has far as ceska being around it was better. Content creators have lied to everyone about Fenris.

[neat vector]

nvm i see what you saying thank

[lone wadi]

btw recalibrate doesnt have to mean changing to another stat, if you recalibrate it to a higher value of the stat in you library, that counts as well

[subtle bluff]

You either have already started optimizing this slot already or recal the another.

You maybe able to go sell and buy it back to reset it but idk if that works anymore.

[lapis hare]

Is there a build that is great for survival and dealing damage? I’ve just been running with a striker build and while it’s nice I’m squishy as hell. But idk maybe it’s because my SHD level is low right now. Lvl79SHD

[subtle bluff]

Just throw on Memento or use HB.

[twin parcel]

i was referring to a singular piece of armor as opposed to a set as I have no room for more than a +1 piece set bonus due to strikers and memento

[lapis hare]

HB?

Also don’t think I have Memento.

[subtle bluff]

Dropping Fenris. SWD value isn't high.

[twin parcel]

Memento Strikers and whatever chest you feel is best. works good for me

[subtle bluff]

Heartbreaker, something to farm for then.

[lapis hare]

I’m using a Ceska chest with Obliterate. Seems decent.

[lapis hare]

Oh Heartbreaker is a set right?

Any specific weapons and such to use with it?

[twin parcel]

you may need to elaborate on that, idk what you mean by SWD, and are you saying to drop fenris?

[subtle bluff]

Specific WD

Yes

CHC/CHD is value is higher than SWD in builds.

Unless you're at like 60/190

[twin parcel]

I use Chameleon most times (Damage back when I was playing felt real nice plus I always liked the design of it) and Elmo's for when an enemy refuses to "piss off" (hunter's, certain bosses, etc...)

[dusk edge]

is this thee Striker's build? i heard there's also Coyote but Overdogs seems to work for me so far

[lone wadi]

yes just with no blue core lol but its not the end of the world

[dusk edge]

i play solo. just one core is enough for survivability

[lone wadi]

sure

[dusk edge]

• barely any expertise either 🥲

[lone wadi]

not that it matters all that much

[dusk edge]

yeah

at least that one makes sense. can't say the same for my determined hh build

[smoky latch]

If you play solo you don't really need Overdogs and can replace it with a pair of PS gloves if you want survivability that way

Either way is fine, just giving another option

[dusk edge]

i'll keep that in mind

[twin parcel]

this is perfectly fine solo

[dusk edge]

PS is Palisades right?

[lone wadi]

you can totally just use normal 4pc hotshot with chainkiller and vigilance bag, it has a ton of survivability alone just from aok and bonus armor

also get yourself a determined bolt action for that

[dusk edge]

i have the SR-1 yeah

[lone wadi]

thats a great option

[dusk edge]

i tend to shuffle around based on my mood but my go-to pair is SR-1 and 1886

[regal dock]

i got a question about overdogs, should i shoot the enemies from 1 to 3 or its the other way around?

[lone wadi]

tier 3 to 1

[regal dock]

tyyy

[lone wadi]

thats if you want to get as much uptime as possible but generally youll still be fine playing normally

[regal dock]

is this a good setup for ongoing directive?

[dusk edge]

how's the DMG output?

actually as a matter of fact should i have to worry about my weapon DMG???

[lone wadi]

take turmoil off and use ceska vigilance/wicked bag

and can consider switching to gunner

[twin parcel]

heroic enemies = swiss cheese (pre melted, even)

[dusk edge]

okay. i shouldn't be worrying about DMG that much then

idk why i keep sticking into, say, 97k instead of being comfortable with 80k or so

[twin parcel]

idk about what you're using, I use automatics, and chameleon, and things just kinda drop dead. I could use a better weapon, i have better weapons, but chameleon is fun so why not. Plus, its dmg is actually quite nice. And I prefer to live more than 1.5s, which is why I dont go all red, and play this like it's a mobile static cover shooter game.

Note, memento does skyrocket dmg quite a bit

[dusk edge]

lexington

[dusk edge]

yeah. i don't have Memento yet

[dusk edge]

but thanks. gave myself two blues

[twin parcel]

i have 5, but striker's picks up the slack, so i can afford it. You'll be fine with 4. I would at least get something like Liquid Engineer for a backpack until you get memento.

(Liquid Engineer, Named Backpack, below)

[dusk edge]

ooh. i have liquid engineer. but that means i have to swap Overdogs to Strike

but i'll test it out

[smoky latch]

That backpack isn't a good pick. Rather use a backpack with useful stats and throw Bloodsucker on it

[dusk edge]

oooh

oh! i've read into iKia's spreadsheet. the build i'm currently using is "Obliterate Build". the more you learn

but i'll def switch to Memento once i get it someday

[twin parcel]

I hadn't seen his build so idk what all he had. The stats for that are not inherently bad, it just depends on what the use case for the build is, and again, I hadn't seen his build. Just suggested off the top of my head, plus wanted to give him an option he likely already had lying around.

[smoky latch]

The backpack in general isn't great because you lose out on more important attributes. 1% Armor Regen is pretty useless, if you invest in additional Regen you'll likely lack damage to make good use of Bloodsucker.

[gentle lichen]

so how does one calculate the average mag size increase from paradox?

so like my idea was that each round would for example have a 10% chance to generate 2 bullets and in a 50 mag it would be an average of 10 more rounds so 20% more mag size?

and of course scale up numbers based on % and mag size depending on rank of paradox and mag size of weapon

[civic meteor]

Adding another red core but other than that almost complete please critique my build

[twin parcel]

Right, but it still depends on what he's going for. 1% regen alone, not very good. AoK and Incoming Rep, depending on his goal and what he's using, isn't bad. I quite like AoK and Incoming Rep. I didn't know and still don't know what his full build is, let alone the gear he has stashed away, so idk what to recommend that is readily avail for him. I figured he likely had LE lying around, so I recommended that as a temporary. Ofc, theres better options, but I recommended accordingly due to the previous reasons I stated.

[smoky latch]

If you want AoK use Gunner spec with 1pc PS and red core. The Backpack in general is pretty useless regardless of the build

[gentle lichen]

extra thought on this is the possible recursiveness that would happen if a paradox'd round were to proc paradox so it could possibly have even more mag size?

[twin parcel]

it was a placeholder recommendation until he can get something fancier. Be it a grupo/providence/whatever brand set he wants, with bloodsucker thrown onto it. The AoK and incoming rep is just a bonus, for a placeholder.

[smoky latch]

Why would you recommend a DZ item that is hard to come by as "placeholder"?

Ppl usually grind their butts of to get one

Makes no sense

[twin parcel]

if he opens named item caches, which he likely has done a lot, its not far fetched to think he might have one.

I never play DZ. I have one, and have gotten a few in the past.

really not seeing how this doesnt make sense here.

[smoky latch]

1. it is far fetched because it usually doesn't drop with useful rolls
2. you assume they do activities that reward named item caches, not good

Stop texting then and all is well 😛

[soft crane]

sus yo

[smoky latch]

Bro writes an essay

[twin parcel]

your argument was that it is hard to come by, and now it has changed to "not dropping with useful rolls"
Followed by "stop texting then".
Literally just having a conversation about a fictional backpack in a fictional game. It's not that serious.

How do you know he has access to gunner? That in of itself is an assumption. Not good.
How do you know he has bloodsucker unlocked?

My initial message was "something like liquid engineer" (keyword, like)
You then replied "that backpack isnt a good pick"

The backpack was never "picked" in the first place. But if he had it, which he likely did, cool.

But go off, pimp. If that train of thought helps you sleep tonight, by all means, have at it.

[tall shoal]

WAIT. liquid engineer is DZ only? i havent stepped foot in there since i started playing again and im swimming in those damn things

[twin parcel]

Am I not allowed to watch Steven He while typing? lmfao
Were you actually waiting this whole time for me to finish that message? That's wild work.

[lunar imp]

for tier 8+ escalations do you really need a prototyped frenzy mk46 or am i still competitive with a st elmos
can’t really get a prototyped lmg

[solar sable]

a regular mk46 w/Frenzy does it

Elmos is jut a no go for Escalation due to not having a dmg talent

[lunar imp]

awesome i was just thinkin about the health dmg

and what about the exotic lmgs anything that competes there?

[solar sable]

I highly doubt it but Iron Lung and Big Al

[lunar imp]

all good just wanted to switch it up

[smoky latch]

Second screen. Was checking while waiting for Escalations

[livid sorrel]

dz exclusives are also in named caches

[twin parcel]

ah. well regardless, its just a wee old backpack. Seems a lot of others here have been getting it to drop like candy, i know in my case it seemed to. Hence, another reason I suggested something to the effect of LE. Either way, no sense in getting in a bunch over pixelated fictional MOLLE systems, for anyone really. GL on the escalations. Hope your day/night gets better. I got work tomorrow, and i'm gonna try to get my chronically insomnia-ridden self to sleep for once. gn

[smoky latch]

Yeah got an almost max'd out pair of Contractor's. I wrote what I wrote because we try to give the best advice as possible to new players so they don't waste their time. Your placeholder suggestions was just dogwater and I wanted to make that clear. That is all. Take care

[stone python]

Can't wait for Heartbreaker to be in escalation

[mighty shoal]

Can any give me advice on whether I should run Virtuoso or Umbra for Sheriff? Currently running Striker but not stacking fast enough.

[exotic talon]

uh
none of the three lmfao, use hunter's fury or high end shotty
its still a shotgun

[surreal elk]

can someone explain to me how measured talent is good? how is it a dps increase?

[magic karma]

What builds do you guys like to run to expertise shotguns? Hunter's Fury or something else?

[obtuse shoal]

So with the assault event how many meters does that damage multi takes effect

[lone wadi]

i think its 15

whatever the hunters fury mark range is cus i remember it to be the same

forget what i said i was thinking of something else

[hazy steeple]

@twin parcel No more text walls.

@smoky latch Talk nicer, or whatever.

[twin parcel]

I dont see a rule about lengthy messages, but I do see one about spamming, which is what i was trying to avoid. I'll do a TLDR summary instead. He doesn't necessarily have to talk nicer. I was just trying to show him that we agree on literally the same point.

[hazy steeple]

That's just kinda how Inf talks, but your message was nearly 1800 characters long.
there's no direct rule on huge text walls, but it's in your best interest to avoid them. The Bot has ban powers and is trigger happy.

[high dagger]

Echo on prototypes stacks right?

slowly making my way to prototypes

[misty sun]

Lengthy messages also bury other messages from players asking for help.

If you're on the mobile app.

[hazy steeple]

That is the reason I dislike them, also people bury some nasty stuff in text walls, I can tell you that.

[twin parcel]

Only goal was to "over explain" my position/intent since my previous attempts were misunderstood or ill-received.
Admittedly, the replies from INF did come across as rude, but nothing to get myself in a wad about. I suppose if that's how he talks, and didn't mean any offense, that seems odd but some people communicate differently from others.

[hexed steppe]

I hold the monopoly on text walls

[upper rover]

What are usable proto rolls, for a dps builds? And anyone knows if the chance for each of them is the same or is it biased

[vernal wing]

The same as base rolls?
You want Weapon Damage, Crit Chance as close to 60 and then as much Crit Damage as you can get.

On weapons you want DTTOOC (also Crit Chance on LMGs)

[upper rover]

I mean the special proto only ones

Not normal stats

Like echo

[lone wadi]

those are augments, on dps you usuallt want echo with 0-2 amalgam

[upper rover]

I asked about usable, not what I want

[lone wadi]

well idk why youd use anything else on dps

[upper rover]

Is there some way you just choose what you get or I'm missing something

[lone wadi]

paradox is nice

[vernal wing]

Rng and rerolls

[lone wadi]

its random

[vernal wing]

Anything that isn’t skill based is probably “usable”

[lone wadi]

not entropy lol

thats pretty much the same as no augment

[vernal wing]

I mean it’s technically “usable” 😂 But that’s probably the worst choice of words

[upper rover]

Which one is that

[lone wadi]

haha youre right

[vernal wing]

Extra health

[upper rover]

Oh... Right

[twin parcel]

It was meant to be a minor placeholder until he could afford to optimize and acquire something that already has bloodsucker or could be recal'd to fit bloodsucker, if he really needs bloodsucker in the here and now. By no means was this meant to be used longer than a few days, or a week, depending on how lucky/unlucky/busy he is. My original message said that I recommended him to use something like liquid engineer. With the intent of conveying that he ought to aim for something with bloodsucker, since he mentioned he wanted to try blue core stuff, which normally pertains to survivability. I suppose that wasn't clear.

[upper rover]

Is there limit to rerolls or does it 2x until infinity?

[vernal wing]

Dude let it go

[vernal wing]

It caps costs at 25 Proto cores, but no limit to rerolls

[upper rover]

Huh 25? That's weird number but better than 32 after 16

[twin parcel]

Brother I was just explaining my position. I literally got up from bed and opened discord on my phone, and responded to a ping. I don't see how that's so bad, especially when there's no insults included. That's all I was gonna say anyways. I'm not in a wad over it.

[lone wadi]

i think it used to be 60 in the pts 😬

[upper rover]

That's like a reroll every 5 runs if lucky so about an 1h-2h

[vernal wing]

I would not reroll anything past like 8 unless the piece has max stats.

[upper rover]

Well nothing else to use them on

Ig lvling

[vernal wing]

The good pieces you inevitablably get with max stats

[upper rover]

Yeah like that will ever drop

[vernal wing]

Even if you just get a better piece

You want to be able to put the perfect augment on it

[upper rover]

That could happen maybe, idk when next strikers day will be tho

[vernal wing]

Today

[upper rover]

Yeah, that's how I got what I wanted

I doubt I will get anything better especially with delta 3 not letting me play at all

[twin parcel]

With that out of the way, what would be a more appropriate chest brand for this particular setup? I don't plan on switching off striker's or memento. Also I don't do descent and haven't tried escalations. I'm a returning player after a long hiatus.

[vernal wing]

Delta 3 usually just triggers the first time you login each day

[twin parcel]

I was told that I had a bad brand set chest, but in my combat, it performed pretty well.

[lone wadi]

named unit alloy equalizer chestpiece

[upper rover]

4x in 30 minutes for me

[vernal wing]

Ceska for more crit chance or Equalizer (unit alloy) for more fire rate and more Damage (vi perfect obliterate)

[vernal wing]

You can bump up the difficulty

[upper rover]

Wdym

[tepid mantle]

is striker alot better then tipping scales for lmg ?

[urban latch]

With all those blue cores as long as your only running the ARs it's fine. Equalizer is probably slightly better, but the difference isn't huge either way

[lone wadi]

tipping has a higher damage ceiling but striker is usually easier to stack, keep stack, and use

[tepid mantle]

okay so i can every conten in the game with tipping sclaes right ?

[vernal wing]

Striker is a lot more versatile, especially when it comes to raids/incursions.

anything heroic or mid-low escalations, tipping scales will be fine. Probably fine in legendary content too.

[tepid mantle]

okay so striker is still the best and the meta

hopefully the server will work today so i cant farm striker

what other 2 items you use with striker ?

[lone wadi]

hollowman and overdogs is best for escalation, if no hollowman can use ceska

[urban latch]

Important to keep in mind that it's only higher when you assume obliterate on strikers. When using the striker chest, like in the incursion or escalation, striker chest comes out ahead by somewhere around 20%, so fairly significant

[tepid mantle]

okay is hollowman hard to get ?

[normal shadow]

It is, if you're looking for a full red one. At least technically hard to get.

[vernal wing]

I spent 2 hours yesterday and didn’t even get a bad one to drop

[tepid mantle]

okay then ceska will be the way for the start but if i able to farm striker all proto and play with ceska and overdogs it still will be fine right

[tepid mantle]

well thats sucks

[lone wadi]

ohhh i see gotcha ty

[normal shadow]

What did you farm, Houndsman?

[vernal wing]

I think it’s like a 3% drop chance?

[normal shadow]

It's a low number, yes.

[icy jasper]

What's the best augment for striker? I hear echo is good

[vernal wing]

Echo, Paradox, Amalgam are probably the only 3 you care about

Echo is the only one that is just a flat damage increase.

I prefer paradox for faster striker stacking/sightly less time reloading

Amalgam is just free CC and you only need a couple rolls of it

[obtuse shoal]

The only way to get a maxed attribute on proto gear is for it to drop right?

[vernal wing]

Name items automatically have the special stat maxed.
Upgrading a piece to Proto usually gives max of 1 stat and with tiny chance of 2 stats maxed and an impossible chance of 3 stats maxed

[dusk edge]

Bulldog's in the BOO store. is it decent for Striker Obliterate?

[shy willow]

Impossible is a bit misleading, it is it's just extremely uncommon

[vernal wing]

I have not even seen one and when I saw a chart someone made for the probabilities it’s like 0.001 % chance.

I’m not going to be the guy to tell people to gamble for it.

[obtuse shoal]

I need something good to build around my Scorpio. Might try hunters fury with the event for giggles

[obtuse shoal]

Well I still need to grind to level 30 expertise smh

[vernal wing]

I can show you a picture of someone winning the lottery. It’s not a foundation I’d build on.

[shy willow]

I'm not denying it's incredibly rare but saying it's impossible is misleading is all

[vernal wing]

An impossible chance.

You don’t even disagree with me, you’re just arguing about semantics instead of being helpful.

[shy willow]

Impossible chance is somewhat of an oxymoron

[vernal wing]

That’s why I used it. To avoid people like you trying to make this argument.

[obtuse shoal]

Just go build for build at this point

[shy willow]

Ad hominem in the big 2026😔

[shy willow]

Wdym

[proper wave]

Impossible ❌
Improbable ✅

[urban latch]

I believe it's a 5% chance. So 1/20. If you got it at odds it would cost 900 exotic components plus everything else to get it to 30 expertise

[buoyant perch]

5% to get 2 maxed stats, 1% to get 3

[vernal wing]

An impossible chance 😂 Look it up if you don’t know what it means

[urban latch]

That would imply a 0% chance...

[vernal wing]

Anyways

[lament reef]

John Lexington discouraging people from gambling on lexingtons….. really makes you think……

[vernal wing]

It’s a phrase. Not a calculation

[lone wadi]

the chance would be fine if exotics weren’t so tedious to get…

[proper wave]

confidently incorrect lul

[shy willow]

Misleading either way

[vernal wing]

50 people in my clan and not one has even got a double maxed stat

[urban latch]

You said to look it up lol. There is a meaning, it means 0% chance lol

[shy willow]

You're all exceedingly unlucky

[high dagger]

Is there a way to farm/get the 'slingshot' SMG? I got one from the crate weeks ago, but donated it to expertise. Now I want to try it out in builds

[lament reef]

i do think it should be emphasized that you have a better chance at winning the real life lottery than getting the turbo godroll Lex

[shy willow]

More or less this but I take issue with the notion that is it impossible

[proper wave]

Improbable is the right word

[buoyant perch]

My server has several Lexington with 2 maxed stats and one with 3 (/inspect nghiatnt)

[shy willow]

Uhhh right now you could probably still get it from houndsman

[high dagger]

Houndsman, got it. Thanks

[proper wave]

farm houndsman, kill the dogs and die to the houndsman so you can do the bounty again

[lone wadi]

This only works if you have the bounty itself

[shy willow]

Don't count out escalations themselves either, can get godrolls from there also

[proper wave]

you could join someone else that is hosting while they do the technique

[high dagger]

Ah dang, that's a downer.

[toxic knoll]

It's all just probability, based on very low percentages; the very first weapon I rolled, gained echo on first try. That is not impossible, it's just very improbable due to the percentage.

[shy basalt]

Do ppl actually wanna be done in like a day

[lone wadi]

Huh

[shy basalt]

Lol like they finally add some endgame content to grind for that takes weeks to finish

[urban latch]

Yes

[toxic knoll]

Yes. This community is not well know for being very patient.

[shy basalt]

And people wanna just recalibrate it and be done

[upper rover]

How am I doing skill dmg with decoy and revive hive? Am I missing something

[vernal wing]

It’s an oxymoron to discourage people from gambling. Everyone missed the point. Let’s move on.

[shy willow]

It counts other stuff as well depending on what you're running

[upper rover]

Hm interesting

[shy willow]

Turmoils for example show up as skill damage for the purposes of the stat screen

[upper rover]

Does it count for that one thing that gives armor on skill dmg iirc? From proto augument

[shy willow]

Idk tbh

[vernal wing]

Any idea if it can be buffed with skill damage?

[shy basalt]

Is there a way to get it

In the current game

[shy willow]

It's based off shot damage so no

[shy willow]

Turmoil? No, you just missed an event where you could get them

[lament reef]

gotta wait for stretch goals now

[twin parcel]

I dont have much info to go off of as I dont have Equalizer, but from what I can find, EQ Perfect OBL gives 24% WpnDMG, with a one part set bonus of ROF.
My fenris has normal OBL, which is 10% dmg, but also receive 10% AR damage from 1 piece bonus.
I only have the chest slot as something to freely change, the rest are required for my build to work properly/the way I want it to.

So if my math is right, P-OBL with +ROF, is not better than N-OBL with +10% WepDMG, if goal is max damage per shot, instead of DPsecond. Especially if I use ARs 95% of the time.

30% WD vs 24% WD, disregarding ROF because I am content with my ROF already. (edited to correct fenris bonus)

I could be wrong though.

Open to critiques/advice!

[hexed steppe]

if goal was match damage per shot, couldnt you just roll a couple cores red

[urban latch]

Obliterate is "total weapon damage" which is its own category that adds with itself and multiplies to everything else. Fenris is "weapon damage" so adds to other sources like from cores, watch, etc. Also fenris is only 10%.

So on that build since obliterate is the only TWD source, it's just a straight multiplier to your damage, and makes perfect obliterate a few percent stronger

[twin parcel]

i like to use crusader shield, which is why i have the blues + reds.

[twin parcel]

Like mult toward crit and HSD? vs Fenris doing only 10% WD not affecting that weapon's crit and HSD?

[urban latch]

Think of these damage categories as buckets. Everything that fits into the same bucket gets added together. Then once you finish that you multiply all the buckets together

Fenris is in the "weapon damage bucket". HSD and crit and in another. Dtooc is its own bucket. And "total weapon damage", which is a terrible name but it's what the game calls it, is another bucket.

[twin parcel]

so TWD just dips into the other buckets?

[urban latch]

TWD is its own bucket. So say your running vigilance and obliterate. Those would get added together and multiplies to everything else

[hexed steppe]

maybe the infographic thats floating around will be helpful, if anyone has

[onyx sage]

basically it's a big bunch of multiplications

[twin parcel]

damnit. I spent 4h doing mathematical calculations in Fallout 76 to answer a Damage Reduction question that no one seemed to have an answer for, or seemingly had heavy bias in their answer, a few days ago. I was told that the calculation I came up with was actually "Linear Interpolation". I also thoroughly hate math. But I am good at it, if I am on ADHD meds that is.... Oh, and if I can remember the proper formulas needed for the "problem" in question.

[onyx sage]

you don't need to do any linear interpolation here. it's not that complex

[twin parcel]

I had a severe headache, inability to sleep, hadn't eaten for 14h, and it was 9am when I went to bed/achieved sleep.

[twin parcel]

am probably having brain fart moment, as I am on lunch break at work (I work from home) working a 11h30m shift but-
From what the formula looks like, AWD is added to SWD (10%+ all the fixins') and is eventually multiplied by Base WD and TWD respectively.

Does this not mean that either way, fenris OBL comes out on top since its all multipled regardless?

(99.9% sure I am wrong here, I may need another explanation unfortunately. Am open to learn though.)

[urban latch]

So that "AR damage" is part of what's called "specific weapon damage" (SWD). Basically anything saying "[this type of weapon] damage"

I can't blame anyone for getting confused on these terms, theres just way too many types of "[something] weapon damage] but we're just directly using the terms from the game

[onyx sage]

on a full red build with max rolls and 0 expertise (just to simplify things), the AWD multiplier is 2.3. just gonna use this as an example.

normal obliterate gives 20% twd at max stacks, for this example let's make it so that there's no other twd source, so the twd multiplier is 1.2.

case 1: fenris obliterate, which makes AWD go to 2.4. the product of the two is 2.4 * 1.2 = 2.88

case 2: equalizer. this makes the TWD go to 1.24 instead. so the product is now 2.3 * 1.24 = 2.852, which initially looks worse. but if you have 1p of UA (which equalizer is), then you get 5% more rof, assuming you have no other source of rof boost means you multiply another 1.05, to make it 2.995.

just a simple calculation for you with 3 multipliers, but that's all you need to consider to see how equalizer is better

[twin parcel]

oh ok. Thats what I thought initially before we brought up the math bit. I am content with my current ROF, and am more focused on DPshot vs DPsec. Ik, i'm a wee bit weird. I used to hyper optimize the ever living phack out of any PVE game I played, but have since decided to try other things, and have a little fun instead of crunching numbers constantly, and I like the idea of "bullet hit harder, use less bullet, kill target" versus "Bullet hit less hard but more bullet hit target faster, target die faster"

[onyx sage]

that's fine, but you still need to understand the underlying math

[twin parcel]

I agree. With the most recent example provided it makes sense now. (Am a visual learner who learns best from example scenarios or visuals in general, but sometimes visuals dont fully cut it for me, and I need an example scenario to determine how something works, to fully grasp it.)

I also just assumed ROF works like every other shooter out there, decent damage with higher ROF means faster TTK values versus High DMG and low ROF.

[onyx sage]

most of the time

there are nuke builds

[twin parcel]

yeah I saw one way back before I went on hiatus, someone using EP and wiping the whole encounter in seconds flat. I forgot what he used in particular though, along with his stat sheet. It was a very long time ago.

[onyx sage]

not about that one. i mean dodge city achilles pistol builds

EP fire is the one you're thinking of, that's more of an AoE set

[twin parcel]

ive only heard it mentioned here and there, likely because I dislike pistol only builds, assuming thats primarily a pistol build.

[onyx sage]

it's not a common use build, it's a speedrun build mostly

[twin parcel]

HOWEVER i DO really like the Liberty pistol and Bulwark shield build. I find that one really fun.

[onyx sage]

you pop your pistol every 30s after dodge city stacks charge up

[vernal wing]

Casual 50-150 mil damage

[twin parcel]

There was this other one I remember about (i think this is what it was called) some sort of Rifle called Ravenous? I forgot what the whole deal with that one was. I do recall people saying "this is op!" or whatever, but im not really a semi auto kinda guy.
Again, my memory is faded for a lot of things but the things I do know, I very much remember.

[onyx sage]

it's OP in the right situations, unfortunately most people don't use it correctly

it's a fun casual weapon otherwise

[twin parcel]

is it like super niche? or can you use it only at range?

[onyx sage]

mostly speedrun related

so yes super niche

[twin parcel]

oh. long as the enemies die quick enough for my standards, its alright in my book, provided ammo economy is not an issue.

gonna go check if I have one actually

[smoky latch]

T10 Escalation with Frenzy on LMG 😄

[twin parcel]

what kind of lmg, and would an exotic be a better choice? this has me curious.

[smoky latch]

You mean for T10 Escalations specifically?

[twin parcel]

whichever/whatever you were referring to regarding the frenzy bit

[smoky latch]

Imo it's a must-have for T10. Everything else doesn't do enough damage as a weapon

MK46/M249 B

If you catch a team that doesn't do much damage then you'll be out of ammo in some encounters rq

[urban latch]

Rpm is just another multiplier, just like all the others. You add up all your rpm sources and multiply that to everything else

[twin parcel]

even with Gunner spec i take it? If so, thats QUITE a BIT of ammo consumption. damn

[vernal wing]

The Ravenous (Exotic Rifle) has a unique talent where it gives you Bonus Armor and Bonus Amplified Damage against Breakable Armor Plates. It’s full auto with a slow fire rate.

[twin parcel]

ive always been fond of the M249/240B ever since I first played CoD 4 as a wee ol' child (borderline past the toddler phase at the time). That, and the M60. MK46/48 has always looked real odd to me, despite their impressive stopping power and capabilities, in and outside of games.

[twin parcel]

the 249 or 46? And is it a named/exotic weapon?

[onyx sage]

m249 and mk46 are of the same family in this game and have 99% the same stats

[twin parcel]

ah. So a cosmetic choice, then.

[smoky latch]

A RNG choice moreso

[twin parcel]

lol true dat.
More meant if I had both (somehow), either one would work just fine

[onyx sage]

I'm a negev weirdo now

[twin parcel]

the negatory ev looks kinda cool imo

[smoky latch]

Either is fine. I prototype'd six MK46's but only got weapon damage. Did one M249 and got new max DTOC so I roll with that

Negev has a little worse handling but is a nice middleground IIRC

[onyx sage]

I'm a sucker for bad stability but good accuracy

[smoky latch]

Do you have a stability mod on it?

[onyx sage]

nah i mean more like controllable recoil

i don't have any handling-related mods on it

[exotic talon]

what brand had smg damage at 1pc

[smoky latch]

Sokolov

[exotic talon]

does the backpack come with red core by default

[smoky latch]

All pieces do

[exotic talon]

ty

[smoky latch]

T10 😭

[lament reef]

votekick is too kind i need them tempbanned for throwing

[smoky latch]

I join that group - they make me leader so I pay. Fugg that lmfao

[twin parcel]

is Pesty lmg good after all these updates?

[smoky latch]

Yeah but not for mid-high Escalations

[exotic talon]

and definitely not with that build

[smoky latch]

That too...

[ocean wyvern]

I swear if I see NBB when I do escalations, I'm just gonna kick people

[sudden cloak]

The only reasonable thing to do I'd say

[warm knot]

Is it worth swapping 2x hana U for investor+wyvern on refractor? How does skill efficiency works exactly?

The bag talent is either tech support/combined arms depending on the situation*

[ocean wyvern]

So skill efficiency is kinda like weapon handling in that it encompasses every stat (Skill damage, haste, duration, health, Reapir skills, and status effects)

1% skill efficiency = 1% towards all of those stats

[exotic talon]

the issue is swapping either piece with investor loses you the chest or bp talent

not ideal for refactor, both of its set talents suck

[warm knot]

Dunno where I heard it wasn't just raw values, and there as some math benhind em. Well, if that's the case it's worth then. Thanks.

[warm knot]

Nope, like I said. I'm swapping 2x hana U for investor+wyvern bag. Refractor bag talent is useless.

[ocean wyvern]

I wouldn't be surprised, calculations in this game seem like a spaghetti formula

[exotic talon]

yes if you swap either the chest or backpack hana u pieces (which shouldnt both be hana u you want the named hana u backpack and named wyvern chest) you lose out on talents

[exotic talon]

both handling and efficiency were changed to directly affect every stat under them, both stats translated to each other stat by a percentage at launch

[warm knot]

Oh, yeah. Sorry. I forgot to say I run the refractor chest for max healing output. Sorry for the confusion. The 2x hana U I mentioned before were bag and an off piece.

[upper yew]

should I replace fox's prayer on my pestilence build with turmoil kneepads ?

[exotic talon]

no it reduces your tick damage for no benefit

[upper yew]

oh, I thought It would let me build ticks on two enemies at once

[ocean wyvern]

Nope, because it's technically not a "bullet hit"

[exotic talon]

no it does not pestilence applies on hit, turmoil damage split happens after the hit

[warm knot]

No, splitting damage in dps builds isn't a good idea. You want turmoil for sniper builds. That's the only case they are worth.

[upper yew]

ok im sticking with fox then

[ocean wyvern]

@upper yew What's your pestilence build?

[upper yew]

let me take a screenshot

[strong cave]

Let's hope it's 3 Lengmo if I'm hearing this talk about fox kneepads

[strong cave]

Pesti is really only good with coco or Lengmo

[upper yew]

I am trying to get lucky with a lengmo holster that has 2 red sub stats

and also maybe a better sacrifice chest

[strong cave]

Yeah looks good to me. You don't need me saying anything about that one off color on that build as I'm sure you're getting a better chest (you beat me before typing)

[warm knot]

Same as mine, but I run equalizer instead.

[strong cave]

Equalizer would be perfectly acceptable

[ocean wyvern]

A curiosity, how severe is the gap between GC and PGC?

[strong cave]

You die basically about the same. Always try to slot perfect glass instead of normal

[ocean wyvern]

I was thinking strictly in this scenario, if Petrov Chest with GC would be a better option for pestilence vs. Sacrifice

[upper yew]

someone told me that sacrifice's %5 extra worths more than petrov's 10% lmg dmg

[strong cave]

My setup runs Ceska Oblit + Petrov instead of Sacrifice/Fox's. It'll still hit nearly the same but the ticks on Pestilence will be wayyyy higher due to glass cannon + DTTOC on fox's

[upper yew]

pretty sure its cuz how they calculated or sm

[ocean wyvern]

I'd believe it, since sacrifice is amp damage

[strong cave]

I went with Ceska + Petrov for more up front damage and crits

@pearl atlas @patent fossil @broken edge

[warm knot]

Noooo, not this again.

[strong cave]

They really need to set up a damn bait channel for this

[upper yew]

the dude nobody invited

[ocean wyvern]

yeah, sacrifice is a multiplier, so 10% more on that > 10% LMG damage

[strong cave]

They would be right

As mentioned amp is a multiplier and seperate. LMG damage is specific

It'll still scale pesti stacks but amp would be worth more. It's high risk high reward

[upper yew]

what my crit rate and crit dmg should look like on my pest ? mine has 41% cr and 118% cdmg

[strong cave]

That's comically low. Mine is around 60 / 150 for CHC to CHD

But that's bc mine is all perfectly rolled

Is crit chance as 3rd attribute on your pesti? If not, huge nono. Pesti lacks crit mods

[ocean wyvern]

For where your gear is, it's not bad, but you can get more when everything is perfect rolled

[upper yew]

actually its got crit dmg on the 3rd stat

[strong cave]

Reroll to chance. Having 0 crit chance mods on Pestilence is starving you badly

You're leaving 9.5% on the table not taking it

More crits = more damage

[ocean wyvern]

and even without tick damage, Pestilence performs well as a standalone weapon

[solar sable]

more ninjabike = more brand bonuses

[ocean wyvern]

more ninjabike = more broken legs

[solar sable]

bc 20% AR DMG + 15% Weapon DMG > 30% Overdogs

[ocean wyvern]

I feel like someone triggered you with this

[solar sable]

it was a long discussion

[strong cave]

He's got every right to be triggered tbh. Shoulda saw when cars used to drive here

There was a truck too, I think. Can't fully remember

[ocean wyvern]

How dare there be automobiles on my horse carriage trails

[strong cave]

🤠 streets of DC boutta change round here

[strong cave]

Source me this please

[solar sable]

my profile 😂

[strong cave]

I feel like this is a lion / monkey kinda thing rn

[twin parcel]

so frenzy on this yeah? this is how it came stock, and i've had is sitting in stash for literal ages (before I even moved into an apartment for the 1st time, ages) But the talent sucks. Do I go frenzy or some other talent?

[ocean wyvern]

I have to ask what the hell does this mean

[ocean wyvern]

frenzy is a solid choice

[smoky latch]

Mandatory for T10

[strong cave]

Google Lion yelling at Monkey. Code for: ragebait

[ocean wyvern]

Ahhhh I see

[twin parcel]

what about strained? would that not be better or is frenzy top of the tophat tier?

[smoky latch]

Not for T10

[solar sable]

must've been the wind

[strong cave]

truck drives by

[ocean wyvern]

Strictly speaking, frenzy is weapon damage where strained is crit, and frenzy doesn't have a time factor to it's proc unlike strained

[smoky latch]

It's about the RoF increase plus the DMG on top

[strong cave]

Frenzy also is a direct burst DPS boost too unlike strained

[ocean wyvern]

speaking of frenzy, is the huntsman even decent?

[solar sable]

meh

[smoky latch]

Mid

Annoying to keep Frenzy up consistently

[ocean wyvern]

I feel like on a Famas that's not that hard of a problem though

[solar sable]

I was about to say something very problematic

[smoky latch]

You can reload 2 1/2 times during Frenzy being active

[solar sable]

Frenzy asks the mag to be firing for 9 seconds, an AR mag can't

[smoky latch]

It is really annoying to time perfectly consistent

[upper yew]

should I change my allocated loot to chestpiece or petrov to get sacrifice vest ?

[ocean wyvern]

Providence*, and providence locks you to 7 possible pieces vs the howevermany chest pieces there are

if you're going for a named gear item, always target the brandset vs the slot

[hazy hull]

How would you guys build around this

[ocean wyvern]

Tipping Scales

[hazy hull]

So far I'm using negotiator's dilemma and seeing critical hit damage of 900,00 thousand

[ocean wyvern]

ND is also rather serviceable with that too, I didn't consider that

The bluescreen marked as junk 😭

[hazy hull]

I've got like 30

[ocean wyvern]

I figured you have a max roll if you have a 2 max junked

[hazy hull]

My only issue is it can't be optimized but I think it's cause it's a new named item

[ocean wyvern]

That's odd

[vivid jolt]

kneepads are copium but the build is done sans the EQ

[ocean wyvern]

Why are the kneepads copium?

[vivid jolt]

headshot damage and poor rool

[ocean wyvern]

ahhh gotcha

I mean it still looks solid enough, most people wish they were that far into protyping a build rn

[vivid jolt]

i have my clanmates to thank tbh, goats

[ocean wyvern]

clanmates do be goats, also, has killer been working well with your lexington in group stuff?

[vivid jolt]

well enough, you proc it off skill proxies and since it's triple maxxed i see no reason to replace it

[ocean wyvern]

I only ask because I've seen measured being recommend for group play over killer

I haven't had a chance to fully test both

[vivid jolt]

yeah i have been gapped by measured tipping scales users

[ocean wyvern]

I was referring moreso to striker's specifically

[vivid jolt]

also applies there, it's not like you're bricking your build without it. going back i prolly would havee done strained/measured mysellf

[slate wedge]

sure because you need that extra crit damage on tipping scales

[ocean wyvern]

it's more that the archetype synergizes well with tipping scales, perfect strained on top of that is just a mountain of gravy

[fleet gulch]

Just wondering, is technician or demolishionist typically more popular with Refactor builds?

[lone wadi]

tech

id imagine tech or survivalist

[ocean wyvern]

technician usually for the free skill tier

[fleet gulch]

So then they'd take armor for that extra core then, I'm assuming?

[smoky latch]

Also 10% additional SD

[smoky latch]

Usually WD

[fleet gulch]

Why weapon damage?

[subtle bluff]

To do more dmg?

[fleet gulch]

But you're playing a skill build, not gun build.

[smoky latch]

So?

Are you hiding while playing Refactor?

[subtle bluff]

Do you want to do most Skill DMG?

[smoky latch]

Or are you also shooting to trigger Perfect Combined Arms?

[subtle bluff]

And capa

[smoky latch]

Yeah that too ofc

[subtle bluff]

Proc both is almost if not doubles the amount of Skill DMG off the build

[fleet gulch]

I've never found the actual weapon damage on Capacitor or Harmony to be that spectacular though.

[subtle bluff]

Do you think all that dmg and kills is from only Skill DMG?

[raven rose]

Are flame/fire builds still good ?

[subtle bluff]

Only on EP.

[raven rose]

You got a screenshot ?

[subtle bluff]

There’s a guide in the Build Hub you can find thru the. Pinned Messages

[raven rose]

Wrd appreciate it

[regal dock]

what skill should i use to trigger ongoing directive enemy debuff?

[solar sable]

Banshee

[regal dock]

i havent worked on gunner, any alternative?

[solar sable]

Stinger Hive, EMP sticky applies Disrupt and Disorient on explosion IIRC

[regal dock]

also what skill should i use to trigger teh stack?with minimum downtime

[ocean wyvern]

for OD, wouldn't any status effect proc it?

[solar sable]

yes

[solar sable]

what stack?

[regal dock]

no, like when you have 50 stack of disruptor, you can deal disrupt, disorient .
the bluescreen

i use OD with bluescreen

[subtle bluff]

Not worth more than a Sadist weapon

If you want to use a weapon to proc it Scorpio. Otherwise use Riot Chem would be the easiest

[solar sable]

How does one proc Bluescreen on demand?

I haven't seen the method yet

[patent fossil]

emp sticky into sky or teammate is one way

[regal dock]

so, any weapon with sadist and scorpio? by any chance do you have any good combo you can recommend me?

[regal dock]

will dropping the hive works though? im curious. just like dropping a reviver hive even when no one is downed

[solar sable]

ohhhh

[subtle bluff]

In the Build Hub there’s a guide for OD

[patent fossil]

or I guess just drop & pick up hive

I can't help but suspect you already know this though

[subtle bluff]

Bluescreen special you can do some silly things with it.

[solar sable]

silly weapon

[subtle bluff]

My way of burning down all the dogs on end tidal is Bluescreen and spamming EMP in the air to make them sit down.

[vernal wing]

Can you spam emp at them or why doesn’t that function the same?

[subtle bluff]

No in the air to proc Bluescreen

[exotic talon]

i got a pummel dtoc m870 mcs

[vernal wing]

Show the rolls? 👀

[exotic talon]

its going to need some optimization lol

[ocean wyvern]

Trying for HHF?

[exotic talon]

just hf

[ocean wyvern]

Makes sense, I haven't messed with HF much myself

[vernal wing]

Ban this mf

@hazy steeple

[ocean wyvern]

for the mods, is it better to tag specific folks or just hit the modmail for cases like this?

[vernal wing]

@pure marsh

I’m happy to do both

[ocean wyvern]

usually you would DM modmail, but I'm just trying to figure out what would be best

[vernal wing]

Lmao I’ll do that too

[grizzled garnet]

@patent fossil 🤔

[patent fossil]

sorry, saw it but was mid-escalation

[ocean wyvern]

No worries, we always appreciate y'all

[upper yew]

I finally got a 2 red core lengmo

[quiet wren]

what is the symbol on the right of each attribute?

[next dawn]

The icon for its has been optimized

And reconfigure