td2-build-advice

[vernal wing]

If I shoot a bullet with max stacks 6 piece CoCo will I do more damage than max stacks 6 piece striker

(We’re eliminating the context)

[shy willow]

So this is assuming chest and bag

[vernal wing]

Yes

175% WD + 70% CHD
Vs
190% Amp WD
Right?

[shy willow]

180 percent yes

[ocean wyvern]

no, striker's isn't amp

[shy willow]

In isolation of course Coco is going to be better but if you take into account other talents and all sorts striker has a higher top end

[shy willow]

It is

Game lies in the description

[vernal wing]

It’s not in the item description, but it is in the game code

[ocean wyvern]

Ah, then color me corrected

[slate basin]

From the spreadsheet in pins, there is a good amount of tooltips that "lie"

[vernal wing]

It’s okay - that’s why it gets recommended every 30 seconds

[ocean wyvern]

I recognized it was from the sheet, I just was going off the in-game description

[vernal wing]

So for a Coco build are you pretty much always running Equalizer + Overdogs?

[ocean wyvern]

Gotta love inconsistency

[slate basin]

Yeah just citing my source as that is reasonable thing to do

also incase someone wasn't familiar with the format and lurking

[shy willow]

Sacrifice because I only use it as a pesti setup

But equaliser is okay if you're not running it

It's also not a half bad rifle build

[ocean wyvern]

CoCo Rifle? That seems....frustratingly interesting

[exotic talon]

the devs intended it to be paired with bittersweet

[vernal wing]

Sometimes the devs are wrong

[exotic talon]

im just saying rifle coco isnt so outlandish

[shy willow]

It's not

I run a boomerang M1A as my secondary on my Coco pesti and it hits like a truck

6 million crits or something stupid like that

[ocean wyvern]

I just wish rifles were tuned up a little bit, I've been having a blast putting rifle builds together and playing something different

[exotic talon]

try pure chd diamondback

it is hilariously strong if you can keep the guaranteed crits up

[vernal wing]

What do you even run as a secondary?

[exotic talon]

an smg with chc mods probably

[ocean wyvern]

Isn't that just ND Diamondback?

[exotic talon]

nah, this is for screwing up that one guy in particular

[dapper glacier]

why a full red Negotiator’s Dilemma is worst than a glass cannon? enemies just look at you and you are dead :/

[exotic talon]

single target chd hsd diamondback

[thorn smelt]

ouroboros and striker whas a good combo in year 7 with striker shield etc

[ocean wyvern]

What's the gear template look like for it?

[halcyon crater]

Pulled from iKia video going over CoCo, Striker is little bit better in burst dps but CoCo is better in sustained dps. With Striker chest, Striker is alot better than CoCo

[vernal wing]

I think this has been gone over plenty, I just wanted to know max stacks

[halcyon crater]

I mean, max stacks are in the same pic

[vernal wing]

It doesn’t even have 200 striker

[willow ocean]

My build is good but I’m still working on my way to tier 1

[halcyon crater]

the 2nd pic is with striker chest at max stack, lower row

[willow ocean]

And also, where can I find the exotic Fast Leather belt and how?

[weak quail]

Skill tier 1.5 counts as 2?

That’s what it looks like

[ocean wyvern]

Riverside Gas Station Control Point

[weak quail]

I only have one 1.5 on technician class with 3 other cores and im skill tier 6.

Shows all 6 full but the skills read level 5, so probably only counts as 1

[lament reef]

It rounds up

[vernal wing]

Also, did he not test overdogs with coco?

[willow ocean]

Already claimed that settlement @ocean wyvern

[shy willow]

It needs a lot of work

[vernal wing]

And is this assuming 100% uptime on Overdogs

[ocean wyvern]

You can reset the control points

[halcyon crater]

It's the same setup, if you want all of the explanation just look at his video

[vernal wing]

I’ll pass

[exotic talon]

idk i havent made it yet

[willow ocean]

I know that

[shy willow]

As a rule of thumb striker has a higher top end

Coco tends to have better sustain because the stacks decay much slower

[vernal wing]

Sheet was labeled poorly and probably not meant to be seen without video context

[shy willow]

Depending on what you're playing you can gain stacks really fast too

Goes crazy in countdown

[willow ocean]

How can I reset the control points? @ocean wyvern

[lament reef]

change your world difficulty

[smoky latch]

You have the option to just reset CPs lol

[shy willow]

I don't think they're level 40 going off their picture

[weak quail]

After a quick damage test it looks like it’s misleading, it shows all 6 skills tiers full BUT the skills are level 5. Tested damage with sniper sentry. So one alone is useless. Dang

[shy willow]

Not sure if that's still a requirement

[flint arch]

they likely are between 35 and 40

the SHD watch is missing

[shy willow]

Yeah looks like a journey preset

[willow ocean]

Got it thx

[atomic anchor]

do yall get 1 million armor with prototypes on all red cores?

[shy willow]

It's less than that

Sits at like 800-900k

[atomic anchor]

hmmm i thought so wondering why i am getting 1 million

[shy willow]

Modifiers

[atomic anchor]

mine are not turn on

[willow ocean]

Mines are turned on

[atomic anchor]

im still getting 1 million armor with no modifiers on just wondering how is all

[flint arch]

expertise 30 on all armor pieces give essentially 1 "free" blue core

[willow ocean]

You can expertise 30 on all armor pieces but for one free blue core

[atomic anchor]

ah okay thank you i just got my strikers to proto recently so i wondering

[vernal wing]

If you use Proto in raids, do you still get base max roll stats and 30% expertise?

[gentle lichen]

Basically

[elfin mantle]

looking for build advice usually play t8 + escalation regular

[balmy geyser]

I figured it out.. If I do this now.. on a meh striker bp..

Striker will come tomorrow in the rotation.

(As i'll obviously loot a far better backpack and thus wasting 25 cores)

[vernal wing]

Overdogs over Contractor (if you don’t like the tier system from dogs don’t bother switching)
Proto Hollowman over salvo (dogs/redbar/Chunga)

[vernal wing]

You could also swap to decoy over drone. (Drone dies instantly to the emp blasts)

[elfin mantle]

cheers, i still need to complete the manhunt to get the decoy fml

[vernal wing]

Just set it to story mode and speedrun it. It took me like 30 mins.

[elfin mantle]

Oh yeah, forgot about doing that, ty

[smoky latch]

The stuff that you see in Escalations...

[lament reef]

john shotgun

[smoky latch]

So close...

[rain fox]

Change holster to salvo that's my build @smoky latch

[junior lagoon]

you said striker is good so i have 6 of them

[smoky latch]

😄

I've never left so many groups man

Why is every other player in Europe running proto Turmoil...

[rain fox]

Has anyone had a god roll lex yet I've rolled about 7 and only had 2 stats roll max on 1 gun

[smoky latch]

T10 Escalations

[rain fox]

Jeez you luck how many tries it take you

[smoky latch]

2nd item I prototyped

[rain fox]

I'm not giving up but my lucks nit there yet nice man

Pair it with salvo and foxes you be wiping all things

[smoky latch]

I don't use it cuz mid talent for AR

[rain fox]

Ye I see isn't measured best option?

What's best ar talent I'll roll lex with it and try again later

[smoky latch]

I wanted to prototype a Measured AR but picked that one by accident. RIP

[rain fox]

Rip I would be raging

But maybe they will let us reroll 1 stat in future like normal

[torn thunder]

I got 4 max rolled lex from the sakura keys, then did a mass wipe of my stash of shit i didnt need and for some reason my brain had all 4 of the lexingtons in there

but not protos

[rain fox]

Ye nice I snagged about 25 lol because I know how rng protyping is so stocked up

[torn thunder]

still no idea how protos work but im nowhere near that yet

[rain fox]

Ye you will level stuff up as you go just enjoy the game for now it took my time before I got to expertise 30 took many months

Donate gear first then donate printer filiment if you have some won't take to long especially farming countdown you can target loot to complete certain categories faster in expertise

@torn thunder if you look at the escalation missions and see some gear you like as targeted loot you can get proto gear from there and it all ready comes at expertise 30

[torn thunder]

Thank you, for now every piece of gear I pick up is either kept, extracted to my libary, or donated as junk to expertise. I've got my striker set I like, I want to give escelation a go but no one wants to play with a SHD 115 lol

[merry flax]

And it doesn't really change at SDH 420... 😅 I only went up to Escalation 2 and got carried all the way 🥲

[torn thunder]

Oh thats annoying, guess i'll just try myself

[lone wadi]

how does your striker build look?

[haughty harness]

Showoff

[smoky latch]

Well they asked. I don't even use it lol

[lone wadi]

yea.... that would be why

[merry flax]

This is my setup for now, it is really far from perfect, i'm only expert7 and i'm squishy as a marshmallow

[haughty harness]

Why is it so blight

[torn thunder]

Think the sun glared at just the right moment

[lone wadi]

not because youre shd 115, but because yorue using ninjabike, random chest talent, and blue cores, and no frenzy lmg

[haughty harness]

Nothing wrong tho, it's a fun build for heroic

[merry flax]

My guess is a really Bad HDR seeting, better to deactivate it

[lone wadi]

please read above for context, which is escalation

[haughty harness]

Well tier 0 is also heroic

[lone wadi]

and you dont get any drops at t0 bro....

you are missing the point

[haughty harness]

I run this build up to T5 no probs

[torn thunder]

I'll be honest carte, the chestplate is on because it was the only unit alloys chest piece I got.
Blue cores because that's what the build said to do, and no frenzy LMG... Because guess what? I'm still new to the game.

Get off your LARP chair and give some sensible criticisim instead of condescending "knowledge".

[merry flax]

you still have to start somewhere anyway...

[lone wadi]

i was looking for the sheet

[lament reef]

if you’re new to the game you shouldn’t be joining escalations

[lone wadi]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16HdKj8x-LlXJCcVPAWNZWIb0SXcQOmAfAh1cHYYsxwI/edit?tab=t.0

[vernal wing]

You can run anything up to t5 no problems. I could probably clear t5 with only a sidearm

[torn thunder]

I joined a few and then stopped after I realised people didn't want that. Jesus some people in this community are on one

[haughty harness]

On solo anything dies easy

[lone wadi]

escalation is the hardest content in the game, you really cant blame people for wanting the right builds in there

[livid sorrel]

i get having to run a build out of stuff cobbled together until you get to the proper ones, but don't expect it to work at all levels

[lone wadi]

follow the striker guide to make a basic pve striker build and you can use that to farm an escalation one, or use what you have to farm

you prob dont have easy access to hollowman so just 4 striker, ceska, overdogs, as close to 60% chc as you can, and rest chd

[livid sorrel]

especially in escalation where people have tokens on the line

[lone wadi]

my intention was not to be condescending towards your build, but rather to help you udnerstand why people might not want ot run with your build, and it doesnt have as much to do with shd lvl as you think

[torn thunder]

yeah mb, if im honest idk why i went on a mad one

[merry flax]

To be honest, the classics stricker builds are still pretty fragile... All glasscanon ! And in HighEnd content, without a sup/heal in the grp, you die faster than an elder let under the sun for to long without water an AC...

[torn thunder]

The pieces themselves (ignoring talents), they are okay?

I've been doing targetted gear pieces to try and build this.

Better to have first bloom or an LMG with frenzy?

[lone wadi]

it's hard to beat lmg with frenzy at higher tier escalations

[balmy geyser]

Kinda the point of being glass cannon

[lone wadi]

check this for the pieces you want to aim for

[haughty harness]

Have your fun first on lower tier escalation below 5 , then only get "try hard" with higher tiers

[balmy geyser]

The amount of enemies i kill, outweighs the time I spend dead - Me

[lament reef]

don’t get shot
this is not a trading shots kind of game

[merry flax]

This what i run for now (work still in progress) and it is starting to be decent even if far from perfect

[livid sorrel]

there's this insane exploit of avoiding ALL damage, i cant say what it is but it starts with C and ends with over and positioning

[merry flax]

Oh REALLY ??? What is that damn secret ??? 😄

[haughty harness]

It was so easy after all

[balmy geyser]

Grenades is apparently only an issue I have to deal with.

[haughty harness]

Cover works really well in legendary

[amber mortar]

What is ideal set up for t 10 striker . Overdog and hollow ?

Or can I do a hollow and a czecha piece

[balmy geyser]

Is there really an answer.. beside skill?

Hollow, Salvo, overdogs, memento.. whatever works best for you dude

[merry flax]

Oh no, your not the only one... i was wondering the same...

[patent fossil]

Just shoot them out the air

Or c2c to another spot while they travel

[balmy geyser]

Bro have you seen the speed on some of them? I need to adjust my aim 2 blocks in advance

[patent fossil]

If it's BT, then moving spots is generally the best bet

[balmy geyser]

if you can, yes.

[torn raven]

annybody got a good build for dz or confict

[balmy geyser]

asking for PvP builds is like asking for peoples credit card number.. They generally keep that shi on lock haha

[flint arch]

hacks

wdym there is a way for me to not instantly evaporate when using pvgc striker

[livid sorrel]

shhh i dont want to get banned

[junior lagoon]

so when you upgrade a gear to prototype does it increase unoptimized numbers to base max ? like 6 -12 for chc chd if weapon damage is maxed

[flint arch]

yes

[junior lagoon]

well rip optimization then

[wind radish]

Does Echo work with Turmoil?

[vernal wing]

Dm me 👀

[vernal wing]

Umbra Double Boomstick Ninjabike

[rich pond]

can sm1 slide simple good pve and pvp builds?

[gentle lichen]

Striker pve bighorn regen pvp

[vernal wing]

There’s a whole build guide in the pins

It’s even got a progression path if you’re starting from 0

[rich pond]

tbh it seems to be complicated...

oh wait

its just says wwhat i need to get?

[vernal wing]

In order

[thorn quartz]

how can i alter this to get rid of all the utility and feed them into either offense or defense?

[vernal wing]

And where to get it

[gentle lichen]

What do you want to do first

Like handling and armor or hsd and armor?

[vernal wing]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Tc2UDqrX0vBw-f18opih3idHlueXN7ca2HSEP_yAZDM/edit?tab=t.0

[thorn quartz]

either, i guess add in headshot

[gentle lichen]

Saturate utility convert 1 and cascade

Gives 129% hsd and 21.5% total armor and makes cooldown for optimise 45 secs and overcharge last 12 secs

Only 6% hsd less than top hsd which isn't really that big

[thorn quartz]

ty

[gentle lichen]

Side point if you go down and use your reviver pop optimise as soon as you get up for a 15 second cooldown hive

[lament birch]

I cooked this build up yesterday, with whatever hunters fury pieces I had in my stash

It’s pretty fun

[hexed steppe]

you should drop a ps piece for hf and just use memento. much stronger

[vernal wing]

Highly recommend 4 piece HF with Backfire and Overdogs

[lament birch]

Though I wonder which pieces should have what attributes?

[vernal wing]

Honestly, just running weapon damage and crit across the board is probably best

[lament birch]

Saw a similar version of this build but I don’t remember if the creator mentioned which attributes go for each piece

Btw I’ve barely used Ninja bike until now, that second perk unlock is pretty noice to have

[lament birch]

I got my dogs but no backfire (yet)

[lament birch]

Normally I would do that (Love my Memento Mori) but sometimes I’m stuck with no tags and a surprise Kitsune squad or even a Ronin on my ass

[vernal wing]

In 99% of builds, the math behind having a backpack with a talent is better than having another set tier bonus.

[hexed steppe]

memento buff lasts 5 mins

[lament birch]

You said 5 minutes???

I thought it was 15 seconds only per tag picked up

Unless I’m mistaken with how Harriers works

[solar sable]

yeah it's 5 minutes and it refreshes with 1 trophy

[hexed steppe]

300 seconds for long buff. thats 30%wd, 30%skill efficiency, 3# regen for 5 mins when all stacked

[atomic anchor]

you get short term buffs and long term buffs

[solar sable]

hardest working exotic

not even Harrier

or whatever that trash bag is called

[atomic anchor]

to keep your long term buffs pick up at least one trophy before time is up and avoid safe houses they will reset it

[shut kindle]

this dropped, any good?

[solar sable]

what piece?

[shut kindle]

mask

[solar sable]

hmmmm keep

triple roll drop too omfg

[exotic talon]

its a god roll crit sombra
put echo on it and its perfect

[solar sable]

some people are just blessed with rng

[shut kindle]

better?

[exotic talon]

investor if it didnt cost an exotic slot

[gentle lichen]

i might be wrong but this MIGHT have more consistent crit value than investor

[solar sable]

I hate you (offense intended)

[exotic talon]

+43% chd including a maxed out mod

[solar sable]

dayum

[gentle lichen]

and it's not even far behind coyote close range buff

[dapper glacier]

for being put together with random drops it works pretty well.

[gentle lichen]

Negotiator's chest is very hard and inconsistent to get max value from it
Swap to equalizer and you should be gucci

[dapper glacier]

i will try with equalizer 🙂

[frosty oasis]

Investor is solid. Though i use mine for Regen

[lone wadi]

also worth noting that if it doesnt drop with crit the proto pieces arent worth using and youre better off with a gearset one

[dapper glacier]

i was moaning about that because i tried one full red and is worst than a full red striker glass canon. so that's why im trying to get a bit of armour.

[lone wadi]

the armour from expertise lets you tank like 1 more bullet

[lament birch]

I actually didn’t realize that’s what was resetting me, I’ll give Memento a try later

[weak quail]

Scrap that garbage

[subtle bluff]

all red

[normal shadow]

What is talk I'm witnessing that Refactor builds are used in higher tier Escalations?

[dapper glacier]

try t6+ 🙂

maybe is skill issues from my part 😛

[subtle bluff]

striker for +t5

[smoky latch]

People try everything to sneak into T10

Half the "healers" I met in T10 don't even heal

Just wanting a carry for proto items

[shut kindle]

I think it's better than investor because augment and higher weapon damage and crit chance roll. Although investor does get the handling bonus

Lose out on like 2% crit hit damage and weapon handling but at the cost of 3% crit hit chance, 7.5% wep damage and a 3% chance for double damage

[normal shadow]

I mean sure but is that actually working?

[shut kindle]

Idk if any exotic is even worth using in t10, I'm liking grupo and contractors, but wondering if ceska may be better than contractor gloves, unsure

[smoky latch]

Not very well. FI is better because of Ground Control (and possibly Empathic Resolve on top)

[normal shadow]

I am interested in the healing part quite a bit, would give definitely it a shot. I'm not that fast and sharp as a DPS player but I might be able to pull off healing.

[broken pewter]

isnt tech support the same shit as combined arms but witouth having to shoot enemies?

[smoky latch]

You need to act quick and have a good overview. It's quite a job that most people in T10 currently fail at

[normal shadow]

So the DPS part might actually be easier? Well damn.

I've done healing earlier but those were like legendaries.

[smoky latch]

Tech Support provides 5% more SD and lasts 30s but it requires kills from your skills

[smoky latch]

Sure, give it a try. A good, ACTIVE healer is worth a lot in your team

[broken pewter]

combined arms damage is the skill damage itself right? doesnt matter which enemy im shooting, the skill damage will be applied to every enemy

[normal shadow]

I do have at least two variations on the FI build. I guess I could run tier 5's to get more accustomed to it.

[smoky latch]

Yes. Any enemy your skills are targeting

[smoky latch]

Practice makes perfect

[normal shadow]

Sure. Problem is that tier 5 is nothing like higher tiers.

I did do a couple tier 5 without bigger problems but tier six upwards it's a whole different ball game.

[smoky latch]

It is, you just need to react quicker and plan ahead when possible.

Ideally you have comms with your team but not really necessary after a while

[normal shadow]

That would pretty much need a non-mm team.

[smoky latch]

Nah

[lone wadi]

healer in t10 actually need to do stuff

cant just sit back with a chem anymore lol

[smoky latch]

You can't keep everyone on their feet. Very often it's the DPS player's fault when they go down and there's not much you can do

[smoky latch]

Half I've seen don't even do that. They drop their hive and focus on one player at most

[normal shadow]

No I know that. It's constantly looking at other teammates and not just focusing on enemies and maybe dropping the hive every once in a while.

[lone wadi]

it wasnt directed at you specifically but just in general

healers just a glorified babysitter

[normal shadow]

Well need to git gud at babysitting.

[vernal wing]

Does that make me a superior healer if my teammates don’t go down? 😎

[smoky latch]

There is a chance your teammates might be good players too :p

Going down sometimes isn't an issue at all

Just keep an eye on your teams' health bars

[craggy zodiac]

Okay so, I've hit lvl 40 and read the doc on the pins
I have to be honest
I did not understand a thing.

[vernal wing]

Basically,

Strikers Battlegear gearset has two variants
One with Overdogs and Ceska Holster
One with Equalizer and Overdogs

You play with any high fire rate weapon.

This build is the key to clearing 99% of content in the game and the best build to grind for most other builds.

The only substats you care about on your strikers pieces are Weapon Damage and Crit

Easiest places to farm are countdown and retaliation. You can matchmake for either.

[smoky latch]

Which one did you read?

[civic meteor]

Why is heartbreaker so OP and why haven’t I been using it

[lone wadi]

its not op tho

[smoky latch]

It's not OP, that is why nobody aside from newbies are using it

[civic meteor]

[smoky latch]

It WAS OP once, for a short time, before they patched it really quick

That was right after it came out

[civic meteor]

I mean I don’t see why it couldn’t be

Bonus armour and damage?

[lone wadi]

couldnt be what

[smoky latch]

What damage? 👀

[civic meteor]

Overpowered?

[lone wadi]

real

[delicate hill]

id say probably that it doesnt stack up to the real "OP" sets like strikers or tipping scales

[smoky latch]

I'd rather use a HE build with Bloodsucker over HB lol

[grizzled garnet]

yes bonus armor is nice but it really falls short in endgame content where the difference it makes is only 1 or 2 bullets

[smoky latch]

That too

If you are playing solo it's OK. In group play and on higher difficulty, no way

[buoyant perch]

Bonus armor is negligible if you go full red. If you go blue, you sacrifice damage. The best "tanky" build in the game is blue striker.

[grizzled garnet]

while yes it might be a fun build you enjoy it doesnt particularly count as OP

[lone wadi]

all roads lead back to striker 🤣

[delicate hill]

i was thinking this... like with escalations that bonus armor is cute until you take damage that chips 1mil a bullet

[civic meteor]

Why must it be so

[delicate hill]

simplicity of the build and the max damage output it can reach easily probably

[smoky latch]

Yup

[buoyant perch]

Math

[smoky latch]

A high damage output can be achieved by other gear sets as well but those have pretty impactful downsides

[junior lagoon]

i really tried heartbreaker to work but damage is just not there

[civic meteor]

I saw someone getting one mil crits

It seems pretty good

[junior lagoon]

there must be some modifiers, temporary setting etc

[onyx sage]

it seems that way if that's the first 1mil crit you see

[grizzled garnet]

if it was youtube its more than likely they're using cherrypicked clips

[onyx sage]

striker is capable of doing that high and faster

[jade hedge]

I have a few builds that I actively use, but want to explore other unique and efficient builds that I might not be aware of. Would love a few suggestions that I can work towards, here's what I have so far:
Full Red 100/200 Striker w/ Elmo's, Overdogs & Equalizer/Fox's Prayer.
Full Red Tipping Scale w/ GR9, Coyote & Contractors.
Full Red Brand-Set w/ Regulus/White Death, Overdogs, Chainkiller, The Gift & Punch Drunk.
Full Yellow Future Initiative w/ Scorpio, BTSU Gloves & The Setup.
Red/Blue Heartbreaker w/ Lexington, Memento & Salvo.

[civic meteor]

I’ll recreate the build and get back to ya’ll but I don’t believe so

They were running blackout pulse

[exotic talon]

heartbreaker is good but by no means op

[civic meteor]

Need to grab over dogs

[grizzled garnet]

you tried skill builds? like refractor?

[jade hedge]

not really, only skill related build I have invested into was the FI Healer haha

[onyx sage]

you have the high end hh with regulus already, but have you tried headhunter's fury?

[grizzled garnet]

the build link and image for convenience

[exotic talon]

why blue core

[grizzled garnet]

technicians. also refractor is a pain since it drops with blue or yellow depending on the piece

[jade hedge]

I built heartbreaker as I had already built a few DPS builds, had a healer build but didn't really have one geared towards tanking. So I built it with 4 Blue, 2 Red and all CC CD so I wasn't massively neglecting my damage

[exotic talon]

i know but grinding for something you can roll to red is worth it

[jade hedge]

Could you elaborate?

[grizzled garnet]

the build guide is a guide, not set in stone

[grizzled garnet]

weapons like shotguns can benefit from headhunters

[onyx sage]

^

the goat for legendaries

[grizzled garnet]

not my clip

[onyx sage]

that's mine xD

[surreal elk]

guys, what second talent would you pair with strikers lmg frenzy? strained?

[jade hedge]

Ah, I never even considered a shotgun outside of the ASC-12s or Scorpio. I have only ever used Headhunter with White Death and Regulus though I prefer using it with WD and Turmoil since you can get 2 kills per shot every shot lol

[lone wadi]

wdym second talent

[jade hedge]

probably using that exotic helmet

[onyx sage]

well if you forgo turmoil it's a king in leggies

[civic meteor]

Perhaps I was swindled

[surreal elk]

forgot to mention i am using tinkerer

[onyx sage]

lol

[craggy zodiac]

Question,

Why?

[grizzled garnet]

the m870 is unique where its spread decreases with accuracy or stability. icr which

[onyx sage]

accuracy

it's the best practical shotgun for hh

[exotic talon]

its definitely not heroic with directives material, especially without bighorn

[subtle bluff]

what's your op?

[jade hedge]

can it actually scale to do viable damage? in my experience, any shotgun I have ever used or seen was to prime a build or target less so to actually deal good damage? do you have a clip or youtube video for this kind of build in hard content?

[lone wadi]

that clip above was in legendary

[grizzled garnet]

the clip was in legendary. idk about other videos but dien might do

[buoyant perch]

4-man legendary

[onyx sage]

check your DMs

[buoyant perch]

Prototype version I have seen 2-man Escalation Tier 10

[soft crane]

oh shit I had this build years ago.

Shotgun headshot build

[vernal wing]

Long ago the devs made 9 gear sets.

They were all assigned reasonably powerful stat lines.

But then, a Dev that loves power, decided to create one gear set to rule over them all.

Strikers Battlegear was forged in the Fires of Washington D.C.

[jade hedge]

how is survivability with it? I imagine you're mainly committed to reds so is the riot shield your main way of surviving?

[grizzled garnet]

https://youtu.be/PWpFhcgOnGQ

this one i believe satisfies your question :3

[exotic talon]

well more like reforged, it was op in div 1 too

[buoyant perch]

Dead enemies stop shooting

[grizzled garnet]

(we love no embed)

[onyx sage]

tyyy

[civic meteor]

No it is

[exotic talon]

youre still gonna have better mileage with meta gearsets than blue core heartbreaker

[jade hedge]

right but you're still being shot while closing the distance, and in high ad density scenarios where you don't have the luxury of rotting in cover in range having that safety net.

[onyx sage]

watch my video above

it should give you all the techniques you would use to avoid damage

[civic meteor]

Strikers always best although for me being bad at the game heartbreaker makes up for my horribleness

[onyx sage]

this one

[craggy zodiac]

Ah.

Is it fun at least?

Cause it sounds very robotic to do all of this

[junior lagoon]

yeah it is fun.

if it were me i would defintely nerf strikers

and make foundy bulwark the best set

[subtle bluff]

……

[hoary raptor]

When prototyping core strength armour / does the 75% of the other 2 cores go along the prototypes or just max basic? So like 75% WD of 15 or 22.5?

[subtle bluff]

Uh? Proto effect what’s shown on the gear. IDK what’s you’re going on about.

[vernal wing]

It’s the “most optimal path” but feel free to build and test anything you like 😁

[vernal wing]

I played a skill build with mortar and drone strikes my first couple weeks on the game

[craggy zodiac]

I don't like doing that stuff to be honest, min maxing

But I do like making my own build

[subtle bluff]

My 2 opinions on that is, first getting your library farmed up it makes it a lot easier to do make builds.
2nd is, up to solo heroic almost anything is viable but doesn’t make it good. Just don’t be heavy in a groups with some of these builds.

[copper yarrow]

Man Backfire with CoCo just melts ass

[smoky latch]

Yup

[junior lagoon]

melts ass good or bad

[smoky latch]

Good. Helluva damage

[junior lagoon]

i thought backfire was bad, what happened

[smoky latch]

Why would you think that? It's just situational

[junior lagoon]

because you needed to find a way to mitigate bleed etc

[lone wadi]

just reload 3 times

[smoky latch]

Yeah, either full stacks or frequent reload

[lone wadi]

and if you can keep the stacks up after that you wont bleed

[copper yarrow]

Lol I meant ads

[waxen sage]

my friend is new to the game and is approaching endgame and really likes the shield and being tanky, is there any kind of like shield tank build thats somewhat viable or are all tank builds just rly bad?

[junior lagoon]

they can be bad and viable

[copper yarrow]

The AoK from gunner helps me stay alive by killing ads faster than the bleed drains my armor, and after 3 reloads I'm immune anyway

[smoky latch]

That build is the reason I want the PS chest with double crits and GC

[civic meteor]

What do you guys run on tier 10’s?

[junior lagoon]

i have been playing with bad builds all the time. especially when i am solo, if i enjpoy who cared

[copper yarrow]

I'm running it with CoCo, over dogs and Equalizer. Not confident enough to run GC yet lol

[smoky latch]

I don't think you are ready for that yet

[civic meteor]

I’m not at all I’m just curious

[smoky latch]

Striker's, Hollow Man, Overdogs, MK46 w/ Frenzy

Alternatively to Overdogs a Ceska backpack w/ Vigilance

[copper yarrow]

How long have u been searching for that chest? And theoretically which is rare, that or 13% PFE

[smoky latch]

Months

Farming and crafting

[junior lagoon]

what is the build? let's see it

[lament birch]

I love Memento

And I’m getting around to Cabaret with Scorpio too

[smoky latch]

#td2-build-advice message

[copper yarrow]

Mine is backfire, 4 piece CoCo, Overdogs and Equalizer

[junior lagoon]

so replace equalizer with PS ideally?

[smoky latch]

Si

[copper yarrow]

What else works?

[smoky latch]

Frequent reloads

Like three times in a row

[junior lagoon]

so you reload even when you are full?

[smoky latch]

?

[copper yarrow]

Does it work even if I'm hitting a wall

[smoky latch]

Think so, yeah

[copper yarrow]

But the talent says dealing dmg adds a stack, and the bleed is per stack. So if I'm not damaging anything I won't get new stacks to apply bleed to me right?

[smoky latch]

Try it out

[civic meteor]

Thought you could only put frenzy on shot guns

[ocean wyvern]

Frenzy is LMG

[vernal wing]

Is Houndsman Assault rifle good?

I’m thinking this is better than Lexington but idk

[ocean wyvern]

Which one?

[smoky latch]

Keeping frenzy up consistently is annoying. It's alright tho

Huntsman btw

[civic meteor]

What escalatyon tier is equal to legendary

[smoky latch]

None

[civic meteor]

Oh

[smoky latch]

In terms of enemy HP maybe T1-2

[junior lagoon]

legendary enemies are much smarter

[smoky latch]

Idk exact legendary NPC values

[junior lagoon]

they will push you

do manning zoo in legendary and then mid tier like 6-7 and see the difference

[vernal wing]

The buff is better than measured on Lexington though, right?

[subtle bluff]

In the Build Hub has them.

[subtle bluff]

As mentioned above, the AI is different and more elites.

[hallow arch]

Is the tinkerer still a good mask for lmg builds?

[smoky latch]

Yeah it's really nice with OD

[smoky latch]

Play with it and see yourself

[subtle bluff]

It's alright

[exotic talon]

striker works well with agitator and interchange right

[subtle bluff]

It's more of playstyle added on. If it works for you it works!

[neon canyon]

Would someone be able to send what a “generally perfect/amazing” (I put air quotes around that) Strikers & Hunters build looks like? I’m just getting back into the game after a long break & I’m trying to go farming for stuff but I dunno what to go farming for necessarily. Thank you :3

[solar sable]

The Lvl40 Starters Guide has different sections where you can easily find those as well as the pinned Spreadsheet.

The Spreadsheet has them directly and the Starters Guide will... guide you on what to do

[neon canyon]

Thank you ^^

[solar sable]

I really hope the format is friendly enough as I've tried to do so

I'm open for any suggestions

[subtle bluff]

Plz! Give us a opinions!

[neon canyon]

I will let you guys know!

[delicate hill]

if you upgrade your own skill tier gear from base to proto... does it guarantee it maxes the other stat?

[warped musk]

whats a brandset i should pair with ace of spades

[subtle bluff]

Ace8 isn't a great gearset.

[subtle bluff]

It's the same as everything else.

[delicate hill]

but with weapon damage and armor those have values that can change between like 15%-22% where as all proto skill tiers are supposed to be 1.5 so thats why im asking

[warped musk]

i enjoy gambeling

i wont let the fact a gear set is bad stop me

[subtle bluff]

I haven't done with an HE so idk. I'd assume again it's the same.

[subtle bluff]

Ok then.... what are you trying to do.. Just saying a gearset doesn't help.

[warped musk]

headshot damadge or weapon handeling

[solar sable]

both

[subtle bluff]

I mean doesn't help on what kind of build he's trying to do.

[hazy steeple]

Aces is far from "bad", especially with its wider usage these days to includes Rifles as well.

[subtle bluff]

TBF I didn't say bad...

[wicked mica]

any striker builds that use the chest piece? I just got a max stat roll one

[delicate hill]

personally i liked strikers with the bag mask gloves and chest with Salvo and UA kneepads

but i know there are better things

[hazy steeple]

I'm very defensive of my old setup, but yeah was more a reply to the person saying "bad".
Still love my old hunter killer.

[smoky latch]

Worth it for the incursion, heroic Countdown and now mid-high tier Escalations

For anything else, don't use it

[wicked mica]

duly noted, will definitely hold onto it at least

[smoky latch]

You will struggle too much to keep it at max stacks and therefore lose out on damage potential

[neon canyon]

Love the spreadsheet, super easy to read!

[slow glade]

Thoughts
I like to run LMGs smg’s and shotguns

[smoky latch]

My thought is it needs improvements. What activities do you usually play with this build?

[subtle bluff]

It's really the chest with turmoil your DPS climb is gonna be slow.
INF answer it

[wicked mica]

understandable, will need to get turmoil

[onyx sage]

i think he replied to the wrong comment

[wicked mica]

understandable

[subtle bluff]

OOOPS...

[subtle bluff]

It's really the chest with turmoil your DPS climb is gonna be slow.

[tight wedge]

this cool?

I dont remember making it lol

[subtle bluff]

Does it work for you?

[tight wedge]

ok update, im checking the stats, I specced it into headshot. which seems fine imo

[vocal cedar]

Anyone recomend how i can fix my build

[solar sable]

Use a HE AR like Police M4/Carbine 7 with Flatline and Linked Laser Pointer (Technician Spec) and a Ceska mask instead of HB.
You also need CHD-CHC attributes.

[smoky latch]

Ceska holster instead of Airaldi*

[latent canopy]

question : is this the standard T10 escal healer build ? im just going on a whim here

[smoky latch]

There are several variations. This works for hotswap

Here is another one

Best overall healer build

[soft crane]

Something tells me this is a very old build.

[tight wedge]

probably is lol

[soft crane]

And the reason why I asked Aces and Eights is for oneshot build is because I saw NGN used it.

Its an old gearset for sure.

[latent canopy]

why uzina and not alps for this one ? im curious why 5% armor > 10% heal ?

[soft crane]

thats a named backpack iirc, The Setup.

[latent canopy]

oooh perfect opportunistic i see

[smoky latch]

Yup

[misty crane]

This is what I currently use and shreds everything at such a low SHD level with tons of survivability. If you can get a good AR with Linked laser from technician and flatline talent you're set until you can upgrade your stats more, that's currently my goal 👍

[solar sable]

but sir, the mod slot from masks

[smoky latch]

You also need CHD-CHC attributes.

You already mentioned that

[subtle bluff]

Use Memento it’ll give you more in the long run.

[misty crane]

I am using it

[subtle bluff]

Derp… Not clicking on it..

[flint arch]

I need people to please stop describing a build with hyperbolic words like "shred" "slam" "destroys" and just say "it works well" please I am begging

I am on my hands and knees

[latent canopy]

"it does damage"

[hazy steeple]

"it reduces the amount of space filled by an enemies health bar at a decent pace".

[flint arch]

It is sufficient in committing mass murder of enemy combatants at varying skill and technological levels at a reasonable rate

[hazy steeple]

||"it's not recommended by 90% of div2 youtubers"||

[soft crane]

Dont forget solo, godmode, meta, and annihilate.

[misty crane]

I need a lot of things in life too, we don't always get what we want tho 🥺
I certainly don't have the time to overthink words other people use

[flint arch]

okay, well i have time

[lone wadi]

@timid fiber aim for something like this first

[smoky latch]

I hope the Quickstep was a drop 😬

[subtle bluff]

I would add don't worry about the proto

[lone wadi]

i was protoing a few to try to get proto swap speed haha

[smoky latch]

Sheesh 😅

[timid fiber]

So I got Turmoils out of the cache? Thoughts on that instead of a Ceska holster or don’t want to split damage at that level?

[solar sable]

hell no

[lone wadi]

yea not turmoil

[timid fiber]

Well alright. I saw something about those a few days back but I can’t remember in regards to what. Considering it was a Ceska piece and the talent wasn’t sure

[smoky latch]

Yesterday I played some Escalations over in Europe. They seem to love it cuz every other player was using it and they were prototyped

[timid fiber]

I mean I guess I get it if the enemies have a high health pool and you don’t want to split the damage but considering it doesn’t affect armor and if you are focusing down one dude and his armor drops then he’s also taking all the damage. I guess. Idk if that’s how it works

[smoky latch]

TTK is mad slow

[timid fiber]

Yeah

[exotic talon]

maybe gear and brand protos should be different colors, i always think 5 or 6 proto builds are someone cluelessly running 5 or 6 set pieces

[lone wadi]

may be a good idea

but then the set / brand icon is also on the gear piece

[iron flame]

can the 1886 work with hotshot 1 shot build? Or do I need to run the breakpoint one for it instead

[solar sable]

the latter

[solar sable]

i mean it can work but you dont get any rifle dmg bonuses

[iron flame]

Basically what im using, But I got a 1886 basically 1 optimize off perfect so I just run it too

[buoyant perch]

bro

[sullen mirage]

is there any builds that work well with the merciless? just got it dropped

[unborn cove]

The one you enjoy most

[hazy steeple]

@sullen mirage Striker can duct-tape together a setup, but that's mostly because it's Striker.

[smoky latch]

Streamline doesn't work when a skill is active or on cooldown

Pick Ranger or sth

[summer totem]

Yeah skills weren't on cd

[smoky latch]

Then Idk - should work

Did you try to swap weapons already?

[summer totem]

Yeah lmg

[smoky latch]

No I mean the MMR order - switch them

[summer totem]

Oh yeah did that too

[hazy steeple]

re-equip the tink?

[smoky latch]

Last time I tried was last week and Tinkerer worked - no clue

[summer totem]

Man

[hazy steeple]

Just a heads up, Streamline isn't as good as it looks on paper.

It might be working, streamline is just kinda......bleh.

[latent canopy]

is there a build that can fit all pistol for proficiency grind purpose ?

[exotic talon]

even someone who only uses revive hive wont have 100% uptime on it is the issue i think

[hazy steeple]

@latent canopy About 90% of builds can take any pistol, as barely any build needs a pistol.
Just take anything that works for the rest, and the pistol slot is free.

striker, HF, OD, ND, TP, TS, etc, etc.

[summer totem]

Is the 42% WD not included in crits?

[latent canopy]

oh i meant i actually want to use the pistol rather than let it gain prof idly

[hazy steeple]

Well same answer, but you're gonna need a specific pistol build.
Honestly it's gonna be rough unless you go really niche.

[smoky latch]

Do you play solo?

[latent canopy]

i do most of the time

[smoky latch]

Then it'll take you forever to get your items to proficient, FYI

[latent canopy]

im in no rush honestly, currently using whatever this is and just hitting up stuff, silly build ive made for pistols

[smoky latch]

This is a pistol regen build that can handle solo legendary. To speed things up you can use less blue cores and switch Emperor's Guard to e.g. Fox's Prayer~

Everything crits

[latent canopy]

oh hey i was pretty close to the idea

[smoky latch]

And the Belstone chest can be replaced with a D&H chest with Obliterate

Adjust to your liking

[haughty harness]

Any build that can help increase rng?

[hazy steeple]

Kill more enemies and you'll get more drops.

that's about it.

[smoky latch]

There was a Clover bundle in the shop recently, maybe that works :p

[hazy steeple]

Oh right almost forgot.
If you wear 1 item from each of the first set of Apparel Events, you get a 23% drop chance buff.

[smoky latch]

😄

[haughty harness]

I'll do whatever it takes no joke. I have 0 drops

[smoky latch]

Are you playing Bank?

Or what tier are you playing on?

[haughty harness]

American history museum tier 5

[hazy steeple]

First step to making it, is to read #division-tweets, and then if that solves your problem, send a basketball emoji.

[smoky latch]

Hm - DPS build or healer?

[haughty harness]

3 runs 1 drop and no aces

[smoky latch]

I dismantled all Aces pieces I got without checking lol

[hazy steeple]

100% honest: AHM is low on enemy density. There just aren't a lot of people in there.
It's why it's considered something of a speed-run zone.

[haughty harness]

Idk what rng is this

[hazy steeple]

Did space admin at t5 earlier, 6 drops.

[smoky latch]

Could be more going by NPC amounts

But yeah T5 I guess

[hazy steeple]

Swap to a DPS, I always get more drops as that. Pure coincidence of course, but doing a mission faster is better anyway.

[smoky latch]

Zoo is always good from mid-high tiers

DPS players who kill a lot of NPCs usually get more drops than a healer for instance

[haughty harness]

Well once again skill builds players are penalised

[hazy steeple]

It's Escalation, you aren't meant to use your Robosapian to kill the enemies.

[haughty harness]

Considering 6 piece prototype players keep getting downed , someone needs to heal them

[hazy steeple]

There's quite a few DPS options at Tier 5, you don't need to use a min-maxed full augment setup.

[smoky latch]

T5 doesn't (or shouldn't) need a healer

Many players have a healer build, just switch to DPS and let someone else heal if needed

[subtle bluff]

TBH you can go fairly high wihtout healer with a smart gorup

[hazy steeple]

Or throw on Cloud Armour, which has been my go-to for pubgroups without a healer of-late.

[fierce ether]

Guys if i want to do legendary content what backpack can i farm with perfect tech support or normal tech supp

[smoky latch]

Which is barely possible via mm

[fierce ether]

?

[haughty harness]

Yea I matchmake there are no smart players

[smoky latch]

Very rarely. Try LFG'ing

[subtle bluff]

You don't Farm leggo if you have that question. Just TL it

[haughty harness]

60k shd players play hard wired and do 200M damage in escalations

[smoky latch]

Well it's more a utility build than a damage build

[hazy steeple]

Wait, only 200m in Escalation?

[smoky latch]

Getting the NPCs out of their cover to get mowed down by the DPS players

Or in Escalation terms, to slowly scratch off their HP

[haughty harness]

Yea that's the only utility , get the npcs running around. But they always dodge mines

[hazy steeple]

No damage loops, just 200million?

[haughty harness]

1 chunga and 3 skill build players

[hazy steeple]

Sorry I can't get over that. I have never seen someone with that low damage in T5 Esca, unless you count that one Agent who hid at the back and I couldn't inspect their build.

[haughty harness]

Yes I was in a game with a player like that. And he was 60k shd, probably troling

[smoky latch]

Old, retired ppl be doing that

[hazy steeple]

It's easy to find them when you make it up.

Like that one time I found a SHD 1million and they gave me Nat's own mech suit.

[smoky latch]

lol

[hazy steeple]

Runs on dc-62, which explains why BT keep showing up in places with it.

[smoky latch]

Rip Iron Man gif

[unborn cove]

#PRAY4NEGODILEMMA

[smoky latch]

We just had that

[fierce ether]

I mean just do leggo for daily projects and farm gear mods and skill mods, and have an empress skill build for it and a hanau back with perfect combined arms but in leggo is better tech supp coz i can get one shoot

[viscid plaza]

What would you guys run if you were forced to play solo escalation, say T5

[smoky latch]

Same as in group

[viscid plaza]

Fair enough, I'll try to find some gradient gear

[mystic quiver]

is there an option in game to make em green like that

[smoky latch]

Deuteranopia colorblind setting

[viscid plaza]

This was boring, looking into all red HB with memento

[flint arch]

all red HB with memento is just a worse version of memento striker

[fierce ether]

Guys Harmony named rifle only can be dropped by named caches? Or can i farm it from CD

[bright raptor]

Named caches only, might go on sale at the Countdown vendor or Dark Zone vendors

[wicked mica]

I am going to try this out.

Build brought to you by the Cleaners

[dapper glacier]

I keep killing myself with this build 😭 🤣

[wicked mica]

what do you do to achieve that

[dapper glacier]

instead of hive I use the chem

[wicked mica]

I’ve never used chem tbh but I should try it

also I’m not actually sure which hive that is in the image

stinger I assume since it isn’t green or blue

[smoky latch]

You should know where the NPCs spawns are to be effective with it

[wicked mica]

ye, they’re usually pretty easy to figure out but it should be a fun time

[vocal robin]

for heal builds, is a full healer better or refractor? im unfamiliar with refractor. i wanna use it in escalation and raids

[subtle bluff]

FI is the standard meta healer/support.

Refactor is more of hybrid.

[vocal robin]

okay cool. i have a full FI set right nowwith about 370K healing. im tryna get it up more.

[vocal robin]

oh wow, thank you!!

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages Gearsheet has more

[heady terrace]

what are the best passive modifiers for a dps?

[iron flame]

Anyone have a heartbreaker build? Or can tell me what pieces to run with the 4 piece

[subtle bluff]

4x HB Memento or Ceska, BP Talent Vig or Overdogs

[heady terrace]

.

[subtle bluff]

I don't do modifiers I just select w/e I have done.

[brazen otter]

But for knee pads i what Turmoil

[urban latch]

turmoil is very overrated

just stick with the regular ceska on that build

[viscid plaza]

Striker no bonus armor

[viscid plaza]

Turmoil works best at max challenging difficulty

[brazen otter]

What do u mean ?

[viscid plaza]

As in if you play heroic solo with the turmoil, even with the highest damage build you could possibly run, it will be very difficult.

[brazen otter]

Why ??

[subtle bluff]

Turmoil double your single target TTK.

[brazen otter]

Ohhhh

[viscid plaza]

It works against lower health and armor pools because you aren't having to target multiple enemies, but when their health and armor are higher you need better single target dmg

[subtle bluff]

If you know what you're doing and know you're TTK sure you can run it to go lil faster.

Easier to do below heroics.

[viscid plaza]

I like Turmoil when I'm clearing NBA

[subtle bluff]

When you know what you're doing.

[soft crane]

You already do less damage to single target due to using Heartbreaker, I suggest to take off the Turmoil.

[brazen otter]

I dont have them, i just use regular Cheska

[soft crane]

Have what?

[brazen otter]

Regular knee pads, not Named

[soft crane]

then use it?

[brazen otter]

But you said that TTK for solo target will increase

[soft crane]

Do you have a ceska piece for either mask, glove, or holster?

[brazen otter]

So it will be better to use them ???

[soft crane]

Not to use Turmoil yes.

You're using Heartbreaker which is known for hybrid build.

Turmoil can be useful if you're using a pure DPS damage like Striker, and Tipping.

[viscid plaza]

TTK increasing is not a good thing, it is how quickly you kill enemies

[urban latch]

"Time to kill"

[brazen otter]

I know that is TTK, but i just cant understand why

[soft crane]

Oh right sorry I misunderstood

My bad. I mistakenly gave you bad advice.

[urban latch]

turmoil doesnt give you any increased damage, it just cuts half your damage from the target your shooting and puts the other half on a random target. Theres situations and builds where thats useful, but generally you want to focus and kill the target your shooting at, because thats the target your exposed to for sure

[soft crane]

I dont know whats gotten into me.

[brazen otter]

Mmmm i see

[dapper glacier]

has anyone here tried a striker tank build?

[brazen otter]

I thought Turmoil just dmg other target without loosing dmg

[soft crane]

Basically cuts your damage in half while doing damage to 2 targets.

[fierce ether]

Where do u find these guides? Or u are owner

[brazen otter]

So how can i upgrade my build ???

[viscid plaza]

Regular Ceska kneepads

[urban latch]

It already is

[brazen otter]

Not saing that to lvl up Watch, cause it 589 lvl

[urban latch]

Memento is good, but vigilance on the backpack for HB is ideal imo. Vigilance is already the strongest backpack talent, and taking damage on the bonus armor from HB (or to crusader shield) won't deactivate vigi, so it's a really good combo. Frees up an exotic slot elsewhere like overdogs

[brazen otter]

But i dont actually love overdogs

[urban latch]

It can be whatever

[brazen otter]

Yea, but what -))

[hexed steppe]

Fr, 30% amp way overrated

[viscid plaza]

Coyote or Investor mask

[urban latch]

Coyotes, tinker, just another high end like ceska or grupo, etc

[brazen otter]

I know but, i dont what to look for the lowest rank enemie in fight

[urban latch]

Your going to shoot them anyways. Just play normally with overdogs without thinking about it and it's generally still your best option

There's also only 3 groups max, and the low tier enemies are the most common ones, so it's a 30% amp (which is huge) to the most common enemy types

[viscid plaza]

It is pretty much always active, you don't need to hunt for lowest ranked enemies, but prioritize them if you have multiple options

[brazen otter]

Ok will try, but i have question, first shoot red one, then purpule, then yellow ones ??

[urban latch]

It's not about color, it's the unit type

[brazen otter]

😭

[urban latch]

☝️

But again, just play and don't worry about it, and it's well worth it. Or just run something else, there's other reasonable options

[flint arch]

if you're running full red, the bonus armor will be not very meaningful for your survivability, and you lose out on gunner innate 10% AoK since you have to run tech spec for linked laser pointer
if you lose your bonus armor, good luck waiting 3185 eternities to get it back
also, the linked laser pointer is buggy and sometimes refuses to work

heartbreaker works in a techtank build with a mix of blues and reds, but if you're going to go full red, you might as well just use striker

[viscid plaza]

Every point you bring up is valid, and I should probably just reroute, but I'm making a build on buildstation right now for you to laugh at

Gotta be the best you've ever seen

[flint arch]

nothing can be possibly worse than the one dude i saw in legendary DUA w/ CS who killed less people than the dedicated support

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages. Yes, ImMrChow

[flint arch]

the fact its full red automatically makes it better than 99.9% of most div 2 yt builds

I will say that because LLP is horrendously unreliable you will need an ACS-12 to stack

[viscid plaza]

If this wasn't Escalation I would just run 2 blue core Striker

Bro is desperately trying to push me towards overdogs

The pushing worked (v2)

[gilded crow]

Do yall think the refracter bulid is good with the birdie exotic

[flint arch]

max damage HB build

[gilded crow]

I’m hitting almost 120k with drones

[viscid plaza]

what is ur chest piece

[gilded crow]

I think it’s called keel belly guard

[gilded crow]

That’s the chest piece

[viscid plaza]

I'm gonna pretend I don't see those skills

[viscid plaza]

I sort of mean are you running the refractor chest piece, glass cannon, impetus

[gilded crow]

No I am not I’m running that chest piece with empathic resolve

Is that a better chest piece for drones wise

[viscid plaza]

I really recommend Impetus, I understand the team support route but you will end up having more dmg to help your team than with empathic because your overall dmg and healing will substantially increase

[gilded crow]

Thank god someone can help me out

Okay awesome

[viscid plaza]

Make sure you are running the capacitor as well

[gilded crow]

Yes that’s what I’m running right now

[gilded crow]

Any secondary that is good to run with it

[grizzled garnet]

harmony

capacitor, harmony and quickstep

[long dove]

guys i asked before but theortically which one more dmg nego dillema set with equalizer/overdogs or coyote's in for example legendary or escalation

[viscid plaza]

I think harmony (not 100%) and future perfect are the only ones you can trigger and swap away and still retain the bonuses

[gilded crow]

Is harmoney a Lmg?

[viscid plaza]

a rifle

[fierce ether]

Eifle

[gilded crow]

Okay what attribute should I have for if

[grizzled garnet]

dttooc

[fierce ether]

Measured or optimist with lexi+striker and salvo build guys?

[gilded crow]

Sorry I don’t understand what you said there

[grizzled garnet]

Damage To Target Out Of Cover 🙏
DTTOOC

[viscid plaza]

Measured seems to perform better

[fierce ether]

And need to reload when i finish my huge rate of fire of measured or just finish de magazine for damage

[viscid plaza]

finish the mag

[halcyon crater]

overdogs is a 30% amp so it will outdmg coyote almost no matter what, but nego isn't really recommended for higher escalation

[exotic talon]

coyote is a team wide buff

[long dove]

Appreciate it and yeah its only strikers and some tipping scale

[brazen otter]

After doing some research i already understand why u think so. Maybe u right, i will def try this one

[rocky igloo]

i have a 1 shot build on sniper rifle i do 25mil per shot but with 1886 rifle only 15min per shot help

[urban latch]

Can you post your current build?

[rocky igloo]

yes sec

sniper rifle

1886 rifle

[long dove]

and just to vent a lil the thing is i hate striker .. i hate being pressured into 1 build to do all content which is sad this game has been out for so years and still same meta same stuff

[near shore]

Anyone have a pvp build that isn't cap and umbra?

[gentle lichen]

Outside of uhh escalations raids as dps and incursion i don't think you really NEED to run striker

[dry urchin]

Can anyone help getting quickstep

[gentle lichen]

How about cap and core

[dry urchin]

Mb wrong chat

[long dove]

bighorn regen but check the docs its outdated im not sure

[long dove]

yeah i understand but still it feels u deal less dmg if u tried striker for a while

[rocky igloo]

@urban latch

[urban latch]

If your going to run ninja then you want to get way more out of it than your getting now, basically 5 different pieces. Also get chainkiller on there.

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1GT5z3qub9qZQ7Saih-ID304JsrYEBNR1jvd4V0hLZA0/edit

with ninja you can make MMRs work, but its really not worth with rifles

[exotic talon]

so your issue is ninjabike

[urban latch]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NNLiB-SZH-LChI9gE18q-PdYGqHac4Gep9UQVUtg0as/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.rwk7sa35vic3

I generally use one of these two builds with 1886 the most though personally even though they arent exactly dedicated rifle setups

[viscid plaza]

In this setup would you keep the UA knees or use Providence Knees?

[gentle lichen]

keep ua knees

[viscid plaza]

I really want to go salvo but Picaros gives too much value

[rocky igloo]

@urban latch is the 1 shot rifle build on the builder

[gentle lichen]

right around 5 bonuses earned core wise from picaro
hard to beat

actually no 7

[urban latch]

Which build and what builder?

[rocky igloo]

the one u posted

ikia

[urban latch]

I took the rifle setup from his list

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1LPnA18PDgGg_dEbNI1kZVTVIMGXNHQS_

[fierce ether]

Put the world in normal mode and just do activities and when kitsunebi appears just farm keys, and opening gear caches u will take it easy

[dry urchin]

Does it also work for Lexington or no?

[hallow arch]

There any viable builds for the Big Alejandro?

[livid sorrel]

the usual, striker, tipping scales, nego

[exotic talon]

striker with bp and chest, overdogs, turmoil
its my retal build

scanner pulse and revive hive so i can sit in cover and just hold down m1

[sharp herald]

Is heartbreaker viable (with kingbreaker) in escalation protocol (~tier 5)?

I’ve seen that most people seem to say that striker builds are best but I’m getting almost one shotted when playing my striker or topping scales build (~800K armor). Understanding I need to improve my positioning I’m still looking for a build that is a bit more forgiving

[exotic talon]

with kingbreaker, no
with bighorn, it works but you would most likely get carried

[sharp herald]

I’m not sure that I have that, let’s check. Is 800K armor normally sufficient for escalation tier 5/6 and in which case the problem really is just my skill and I need to get good

[exotic talon]

you can try hunter's fury
it requires you to be much more aggressive but has armor on kill and crowd control effects

[exotic talon]

no matter how much armor you stack enemies will melt you instantly

[hazy steeple]

Wait I forget, isn't 800k just the default armour you have pre-SHD Watch?

I know it's just over 1mil when it's maxed.

[sharp herald]

Which weapon do you run this with? I’ve tried with lady death and Ouroboros but I struggle killing enemies quickly in end game activities so I get exposed too much

[exotic talon]

a pummel shotgun with dtoc works really well for it

[sharp herald]

I’ve maxed my armor stats with SHD watch and my armor is 790K on my striker loadouts

[exotic talon]

i have a marine super90 with pummel that can 1-2 shot enemies in legendary once it gets going

[livid sorrel]

i won't lie, you should learn in heroic first before even thinking of doing t5 escalation

[hazy steeple]

I just threw on a no blues build and the only buff I'm getting is from the modifier giving me 10% extra.

It's entirely possible I'm just forgetting something: very overtired.

[exotic talon]

seasonal modifier probably

blue stacks give you armor

[hazy steeple]

10% in total.

been hsd'ing it up.

[sharp herald]

I’ve been playing heroic for the last few weeks but haven’t re-run the campaign so I’ve mainly been doing retaliations which might be the problem.

I’ve ran all missions a couple of times but don’t know them by heart

[exotic talon]

+135% hsd my beloved

[urban latch]

Stick with striker, trying to be bulky is only going to make things harder for yourself.

Toastey has a good video on positioning. The basic idea is you want body high cover to block line of sight to everything your not shooting at, and barely be able to see what your targeting. Use cover without the cover system. It's how you stay alive on red builds, but never more important than in escalation

[heady terrace]

please i dont need all of these quicksteps...

[jaunty surge]

I mean, look at this. Seriously? Tag Team?

[timid fiber]

If only we could lean and pie more efficiently. Also those boots in the video are gold.

[sharp herald]

Amazing thanks for sharing I’ll watch the video and work on improving my gameplay !

[heady terrace]

best passive modifiers for dps?

[weak ferry]

The HH talent is supposed to stay 30 secs after killing a npc with a headshot.

But it goes away within 2-3 secs.

But after killing a npc with a headshot, if i kill the next one with headshot, then it stays for a bit longer.

I have determined in white death, which should count the 2nd hit as a headshot even if i hit the body. But that's not happening.

My build is fully maxed with perfect rolls, vigilance, dttoc, 533% HSD.

So, why headhunter is not working or am i missing something?

[smoky latch]

I think it visually bugs out after a while.

[livid sorrel]

if you hit something with a helmet it's gonna eat your HH proc

[smoky latch]

I have that too but it's still active

[weak ferry]

Not helmet i mean

[smoky latch]

Idk details about that, maybe chow or dien know more

[weak ferry]

I will show u guys my gameplay.

[loud fulcrum]

I made this to mess about with @broken edge

[lone wadi]

Visual bug

Not all the times hh shows up but its effects are still applied

once you’ve hit enough targets it starts happening

[weak ferry]

I really hope it is. U ever faced it or tried a 1 shot build?

[lone wadi]

yes I’ve had it happen many times before

when I’m farming control points in the middle hh buff will run out super quick but I still have it, just doesn’t show in the ui

[weak ferry]

Thank God!

That i am not the only 1 facing this.
Invested a lot of time in that build.

[lone wadi]

Yea dw no problem with the build

[smoky latch]

Didn't I write the same thing already? Lol

[weak ferry]

Yes

[fierce ether]

sure

[weak ferry]

Now i am confirmed

[lone wadi]

lol

[smoky latch]

😬

[weak ferry]

Why they dont even think of fixing the bugs lol

[smoky latch]

New content > bug fixing

I'd also like to see a round of bug fixing broad sweep

[vernal wing]

It’s kind of charming, like a civic with 200k miles and rust

“Damn, how is this thing still running” type energy

[warm lagoon]

Is the strained talent on the Lexington with striker good?

[smoky latch]

Nope

It's alright if you have nothing better but the uptime is really short

[warm lagoon]

I was swapping between killer and strained, I feel like killer isnt up enough in group stuff

[smoky latch]

Measured

[warm lagoon]

Hmmmm

[halcyon sentinel]

for FI, what the mod for the chem and the hive?

[smoky latch]

Also Back and Forth is quite good

[warm lagoon]

Does the rate of fire make up for the lose to damage in the first half?

[smoky latch]

Kind of and you can also build up Striker's stacks

[somber hedge]

someone said its a total 17% increase over the whole mag, in damage

[warm lagoon]

Ohhh yea faster stacks

Oh I hitting 1 mill dps more with measured lexy compared to st elmo

[smoky latch]

• • x% heal
• • x% skill haste IIRC

[warm lagoon]

Ive been farming ceska for days trying to get the the perfect Vigilance backpack. With no luck lol. (For heartbreaker) ugh

[smoky latch]

Items with specific stats take a while to farm for

[shy willow]

Both have mods that give extra charges iirc

+1 and +4

[smoky latch]

Yeah I'd use that for PvP personally, Fi doesn't have much haste at all

Can't just one slot have a +1 charge? I've not seen additional charges for the second slot

[lone wadi]

Yea only one slot

[lament reef]

i literally hit 199,000 miles last week

[vernal wing]

How much paint is left? 😂

[lament reef]

most of it, the hood and roof have lost some to sun damage

I’m not in a rust belt state

[vernal wing]

Yeah, you got at least another 100k in that one

[civic meteor]

do people only use strikers and tipping scales in escalations lol

[urban latch]

FI and strikers

[brazen otter]

What about HB ?

[urban latch]

not in escalation

the build disversity in escalation is just how do you want to setup your strikers and how do you want to setup your FI

[gentle lichen]

does paradox help squeeze out more value out of measured?

[vernal wing]

Technically, but echo would just be better. Especially if paradox procs at the top of the mag

[gentle lichen]

very eh on echo as it is really just an amplifier of like 2.8% per piece i'd rather get sustain value or other stuff

[vernal wing]

If you don’t want to deal more damage, the best are Quantum (DI) and Amalgam (RNG Status effects)

[patent fossil]

Paradox will give you more sustain, just note it messes up frenzy timing

[gentle lichen]

negotiator's on paradox is quite the fun experience

it also makes iron lung fire rounds last much longer

[subtle bluff]

This also another good reason why Mk46 is the choice here. Since you it's RPM is high enough

[patent fossil]

Would imagine it makes chatterbox easier to maintain too

[gentle lichen]

i wonder if it works per pellet or per round for shotguns

[patent fossil]

Well, if ever manage to fulfil my dream of 6pc paradox 1pc amalgam, that's like +200% mag size, it'll definitely mess up mk46 frenzy timing. Might work with huntsman though.

[patent fossil]

It was working per pellet, made infinite ammo shotguns very easy to run, but they patched it.

[gentle lichen]

damn that couldve been a great stacking method

[vernal wing]

Brazen ACS-12? What’s even the best shotgun for this

[weak quail]

Since skill efficiency equals/stands for any yellow stat doesn’t that make memento amazing for skill builds? 30% skill efficiency at max stacks and 60% more everytime you grab a buff. Seems like mad value on paper, but i don’t see it often

Been messing around with it solo and it makes heroic a walk in the park with all modifiers on while not even being careful

[hexed steppe]

think about fire that double dips skill damage and status effects 🤔

[weak quail]

Been running it with survivalist refactor, them fire nades slap

[hexed steppe]

way back i used to run a memento ep, but it ended up being about equal with standard ep bag

[vernal wing]

Doesn’t oxidizer also get the weapon damage bonus? 😂

[hexed steppe]

for hybrid dps/skill memento is top tier

[weak quail]

Ep?

[hexed steppe]

eclipse

[weak quail]

Ohh coincidentally been eyeing a build for it

Recommendations?

[hexed steppe]

it wasnt a great setup, its a lot of work to be where you started

it was fun tho because of how active you needed to be

[heady terrace]

doing dps like this?

[halcyon crater]

looks fine, but you want to lvl up all the actives to get max stats

[onyx sage]

more like dta and dttooc on the gun but sort of

[gentle lichen]

if you ever decide to use optimise + reviver you can go convert 1 saturate utility and cascade

[buoyant perch]

And rof and paradox

[onyx sage]

nerd

[copper yarrow]

What would be better in terms of Pure DPS, Iron lung or Pestilence?

[shut kindle]

not bad rolls lol

[weak quail]

Interesting, i just invert offense as last cause idc about the uptime of the overcharge but might give that a go some time

Ok that seems better, you barely lose any headshot damage

[ocean wyvern]

If you're just looking at gun damage, Pestilence, although both weapons have different use cases

[copper yarrow]

yeah I was just wondering without their talents

[ocean wyvern]

yeah, w/o talents Pestilence has a higher DPS

[copper yarrow]

col ty

[weak quail]

Iron lung better on firewall cause of the burn duration, but never see anybody use that class

[ocean wyvern]

I think the context was excluding the talent in this case, but still entirely correct

[fierce ether]

Guys using empress hanau skill build should i manage targets from striker drone and assault turret? Or they attack random targets

I dont know if i need to select targets manually

[subtle bluff]

Refactor will do a lil better with that.
They're kind of random, they're a bit better faster when manually controlled.

[fierce ether]

Having to stack the capatitator stacks and control them manually is a bit sheet hahaha

Maybe i just go with harmony using in sync and tech supp to go afk controlling

[ocean wyvern]

I usually get capacitor stacks up then worry about targeting with the skills

Gameplay loop is usually throw skills and let them auto-target for a bit -> capacitor stacking -> skill targeting

[fierce ether]

Yes ill do that coz when i target both to a select target just blast him

And when they attack random can waste a lot of time when a enemy is covered

[grizzled garnet]

just let them go as they please and if an enemy is being especially annoying target them

[fierce ether]

Yea maybe against tanks assaults and engineers/healers

[exotic talon]

is this anything

i could probably swap one chc with chd

[hazy steeple]

Looks PvP-ish.

[exotic talon]

im just coming up with some bs for solo heroic

[exotic talon]

ok no 58 chc 123 chd seems ideal

[vernal wing]

I think you want unit alloy knees for the NBB buff but it probably calcs similar

[exotic talon]

2pc brazos gives a skill tier, 1pc ceska gives chc

[vernal wing]

2 piece alloy gives 5% fire rate and 20% AR dmg

[exotic talon]

good point

[warped musk]

is core strength a good gearset to make a build with?

specificly armor and dps build

[subtle bluff]

It will always be mid at best, CS is only worth is in PvP builds.

Heartbreaker will do better for what you asked for.

[smoky latch]

For PvP, yes

[icy jasper]

Gonna try this heart breaker build I seen on YT last night it had 4x with the bag , salvo and Ridgeway with EB

[icy jasper]

For solo pve n pvp it's good, heart breaker , hunters fury, umbra are better alternatives if doing group content and harder stuff like mastery, legendary, escalations

Ofc it being a hybrid gear set it won't ever compete with stuff like striker and tipping scales or other stuff

I think it's a good set tho especially if ur bored of meta but definitely have the chest on ur build , backpack is mid

[smoky latch]

heart breaker , hunters fury, umbra are better alternatives if doing group content and harder stuff like mastery, legendary, escalations

None of this is used in Escalations nor master difficulty really

HB solo master, alright, I'd agree

[warped musk]

What's mastery?

[smoky latch]

Climax mission on master difficulty, people just call it wrong all the time

[warped musk]

Oh gotcha

[icy jasper]

Depends on the teir tho and ur play style tho hf can definitely work for solo escalation same with umbra

[warped musk]

Rn im on escalation tier 4

[icy jasper]

Ofc the higher teir stuff u gonna want striker

[smoky latch]

People run all kinds of shit builds in Escalations, mostly in the lower ones but it's not uncommon on high tiers even

[warped musk]

Iv been running tipping scales with the bullet king for a bit but ima starting to get bored of it

[icy jasper]

Well most people do know what mastery difficulty is so I usually just call it that

[icy jasper]

Try hunterd fury it's a fun set

[smoky latch]

Master difficulty tho

[warped musk]

Bet, what specialization should I use with it

[icy jasper]

Has a bit of cc , amp damage, aok, hok and if u pair it with momento it's a good time