td2-build-advice

[smoky latch]

For PvE just use a useful brand chest with Intimidate, Hunter Killer has no place

[junior lagoon]

Yeah that status effect is weird there

[smoky latch]

"Balanced"

[rocky igloo]

is ther a mod for skill dmg

[junior lagoon]

no mostly use skill haste mods

[gray terrace]

Will the fixed stats on Contractors, Fox's, Hollow, etc have a chance to increase if you proto them?

[delicate hill]

i know that picaros and salvo do increas so id assume the others do aswell

[gray terrace]

Many thanks.

[onyx sage]

the special stats are GUARANTEED to get the increase. the other ones are random

i.e. contractor always get 12%, hollow man always gets 21%

[gray terrace]

mmmmmmmm, imagine 21% health damage.... thank you for that

[delicate hill]

health damage only affects the colored healthbar right? not the white bit on top of that? and damage to armor is the actual armor plates on chungies and warhounds?

[gray terrace]

health is for dogs, heavies, turrets, drones, etc. armor is for normal enemies with the white bars like rogues, elites, etc

[delicate hill]

my understanding was damage to armor was just for the actual plates on enemies

[gray terrace]

right, like the white bars. those without white plates you use health damage.

[delicate hill]

so ive had that backwards... righto now i have to tell people i was wrong xD

[gray terrace]

this is from our friends @ Reddit. lol: Health Damage in The Division 2
In The Division 2, Health Damage is a damage type that applies to the health bar of enemies — the straight, unbroken bar that appears after armor is depleted. It’s separate from Damage to Armor (DtA), which reduces the dashed armor bar.

How it works
Armor bar: Dashed lines showing armor. Damage is taken here first.

Health bar: Straight line showing health. Once armor is gone, hits go here The Frisky+1.

Health Damage determines how much of the health bar is reduced per hit. A higher Health Damage stat means you can break through armor faster and deal more damage to the remaining health

[gray terrace]

Aw, don't sweat it. Definitely can be a bit confusing

[delicate hill]

so what would a good set be to maximize damage with those things? strikers with the foxes prayer and contractors?

[gray terrace]

Definitely can't go wrong with that build at all. Best of both worlds sort of thing 😉

[delicate hill]

id def have to see if i have replacement proto striker parts for that change

[onyx sage]

eh, striker's weakness is crit, hence why most striker builds use crit brands and why coyote used to be commonly run for it before overdogs came out. crit works on every enemy

[delicate hill]

i have 4 strikers with salvo and UA kneepads for doing escalations

[buoyant perch]

Dta has very limited application. Every armored enemy still has a health part after the armor is gone. Most of the most dangerous enemies in the game are all health (chunga, robots, etc.). Best is dth+crit (ceska).

[onyx sage]

if you wanna break armor plates fast, there's nothing special you gotta do unless you straight up use a different playstyle/weapon, like ravenous or crossbow etc.

like in most cases just use an AR

[gray terrace]

yea, crit explodes with proto upgrades and if you're lucky your crit stats explode. I still have 2 more pieces to do of my strikers and I'm sitting on 59 cc and 160 cd, 4 piece striker and 2 unit alloys. i'm having fun

[delicate hill]

i dont have the materials to upgrade my base strikers to proto so i relied mostly on the drops from day 1 of Y8

i still got decent stuff but its obviously not peak

it is still all red regardless

i might try to swap in Hollowman though, is it obtainable in basic loot pool?

[gray terrace]

used to be DZ exclusive but can be found during this event for sure

[onyx sage]

nope, gotta get lucky in named caches, houndsman, sakura gear cache, etc. or crafted if you have the blueprint

ideally you get 1 crit on it so you can reroll core to red

[delicate hill]

i think i had atleast one saved because it did seem rare i just dont know my rolls on it thank you for the info

i checked i do infact have one with maxed CHD 😄

[onyx sage]

yeah that's perfect

[wicked mica]

I wish Like Glue had stronger base damage than it does cause I like the look of it a lot more than the Custom 870, but I guess I’ll end up using this build for DZ regardless.

Although I’ll probably use a different backup shotgun, though since it isn’t mentioned in the details it’s probably just pick anything

[dawn perch]

anyone want to comment on this? I have a core strength build and I wonder if this would be good to give to someone new in the future? All red cores with rare gears (i have contractor gloves and salvo). They can use almost anyways weapon they want. (personally not my build to use)

[exotic talon]

there are much better options in pve (striker)

[dawn perch]

for new players? (i am not new player). I just asking to see what they could use, but we seen always default to striker?

[exotic talon]

they could use striker

[gray radish]

is this good vile mask build? im trying all red core for this mask but i didnt have good dmg.. any tips?

[exotic talon]

vile mask is better with eclipse protocol

[shy willow]

Easy to build, easy to use, will clear about anything

[flint arch]

we recommend striker to new players for a reason

[dawn perch]

full red core for one. The chest piece should be the ongoing directive as it give a massive amp for little cost. YOu can change the backpack to something that would amp your damage and you can run overdogs or exodus gloves. The vile mask on that build is not that great.

[dawn perch]

i guess. that just kind of sad that we basically have solved game for that. So much for some needed build diversity.

[exotic talon]

theres a lot of build diversity, but its something you care about after you get something that can do everything

[shy willow]

It's not like it's the only good build by any stretch of the imagination

But it's the bread and butter of build crafting

[livid sorrel]

striker is easy, just shoot
nego is better in multi target but marking then shooting is more steps
od is very conditional and falls off against robots
hh and hf relies on kills and falls off in groups

[gaunt chasm]

so the answer to all problems is.. striker

[weak quail]

Just to add on OD that i use jammer pulse against black tusks and that keeps it going. Shock ammo on pistol whenever i find it also works

But it still falls off since sadist is invalidated, i guess. At least you can keep the hollow ammo

[livid sorrel]

even then you lose the amp on sadist

[exotic talon]

well hf still has the base amp which isnt bad, its not entirely dependant on kills

[weak quail]

Had a feeling that was your point, so i added it haha

[gentle lichen]

Dogs don't have much health anyway and their legs are super vulnerable

[exotic talon]

if striker is S tier i would put nego and hf in A tier and, od and hh (in groups) in B tier

[weak quail]

Yeah they melt plus jammer pulse also damages them

[exotic talon]

hh in solo play is easily S tier

[weak quail]

Hh? Im guessing hf is hunter’s fury

[gentle lichen]

Lowk group hh shotgun still holds up insanely well

[livid sorrel]

headhunter

[gentle lichen]

S tier in my book

[weak quail]

Dont remember that gear set

[gentle lichen]

Chest talent

[weak quail]

Oh ok that

Yeah i see why it falls off in groups

[livid sorrel]

god i wish HB was good

[gentle lichen]

Thing about shotgun hh is that it has the potential to do at least 64m damage if all pellets hit the head with hh maxed so on heroic even leg 4 man it's very much usable and great

[weak quail]

A lot of people like it but i never bothered with it

[gentle lichen]

Escalation though unfortunately only striker gets the S tier ranking and everything else falls off HARD

T6+ btw

[wicked mica]

that makes me wanna try it

[dawn perch]

Basically what most people would do with the set. I just seeing if new player can run core strength as sub for a blue striker build

[livid sorrel]

the problem with core strength is the lack of damage

it has survivability, sure, but for a new player that'll just encourage them to facetank

[dawn perch]

Good point

[exotic talon]

yellow core cs capacitor my beloved

[wicked mica]

is this the shotgun headhunter build in question

[weak quail]

Lmao reminds me of my friend last night who tried aegis since he is ranking stuff up. “Oh wow the damage i just tanked” and then i hear “agent down”

[exotic talon]

yeah but why d&h bp

[dawn perch]

Surpisingly effective for leggy dua funny enough.

[livid sorrel]

for the regulus

[wicked mica]

idk, I’m not a build expert, I just found this from the Google doc

[exotic talon]

right i didnt see regulus that makes sense

[wicked mica]

so I would assumedly be changing that backpack for something else since I do not have regulus?

[livid sorrel]

if you're not using the pistol yeah, something like providence or the gift named

[wicked mica]

understandable

what’s the named one?

or is it literally called the gift

[livid sorrel]

yeah, don't worry if you don't have it though, it's not that much of an improvement over regular providence vigi

[wicked mica]

understandable

I have pretty much all of the build otherwise so it shouldn’t be too hard to farm

although I do need to use the firewall spec cause I have no points since I’ve never used it

[dawn perch]

Regulus is a harder exotic to faem you either get from relitations or raids

[wicked mica]

it’s not in retal

[weak quail]

Iron horse raid mainly

[wicked mica]

eventually I’ll get that raid done but currently I’ve only been able to get to the start of the second boss and then the group quit cause too much stuff to remember

[dawn perch]

What guns you have?

[wicked mica]

I mean

that’s a long list and one I don’t have memorized, but if you mean pertaining to that shotgun build specifically, I have a few I can use

near perfect stat roll custom 870 I can change the talent on, a perfect like glue, scorpio if I need some extra crowd control

[dawn perch]

Are all tye gear rolled for headshot damage?

[wicked mica]

the hunter’s fury isn’t, but I have the chainkiller already

and farming a gear set isn’t hard

I might even be able to just recal the HF pieces

[split portal]

Hello, atm my build can only reach low chc & chd, which is better 50chc & 93chd or 55.9chc & 81chd?

[wicked mica]

if you’re hitting the 50% at least I’d go for more damage personally

[junior elm]

overdogs vs salvo for farming event

which one do you think should be picked?

[split portal]

thank u agent

[wicked mica]

while I’m thinking about it, if you save a loadout does it also save the gear mods attached to the armor? and if so, can you have multiple loadouts that use the same gear mods if you don’t have enough of them, so they just switch over when you swap loadout?

[dawn perch]

Are you able consisently hit heads with the shotty as a temporary gun to use that come to my head is 1886. That thing can do stupid damage.

[solar sable]

yes, they swap from one item to another

[wicked mica]

based

[wicked mica]

Haven’t tried but it’s a shotgun, at the range I’d be at I feel like it would be hard for me to miss

this build also wouldn’t be using an 1886

[gentle lichen]

You'll get generational whiffs trust me but the damage is very much worth it
Been using it to just 5 shot kill squads in 4 player retals

[exotic talon]

using a headhunter build is like broadcasting to your entire team how good your aim is and every miss will kill you inside

[dawn perch]

The problem would be spread there. With hf you suppose get really close through so that might get minimized.

[wicked mica]

this is true, happens frequently with my sniper headshot build but that’s mostly cause I mainly use the SR-1 with a holo sight instead of a scope

would get more headshot damage using a scope obv but I’m already hitting 56 million on the target dummies in the shooting range (the number next to the actual target, not the very different indicator at the shooting spot)

[dawn perch]

I do not need scope for sniping with 1886 but i just do not like it.

[wicked mica]

tbf I don’t think you can put a scope on it to begin with

[gentle lichen]

Free aiming is really great for efficiency as it allows for popshot

[wicked mica]

I mostly don’t actually miss the target entirely with that build, just I miss the head enough times that my headhunter/determined buffs dissipate

and that doesn’t happen often but it is extremely painful when it does

[weak quail]

The first, from what i was told last time i asked the same question; you multiply them in decimal form and the highest result is usually “marginally” better

Also doesn’t hurt to not have it capped if you play with randoms in case someone runs the coyote mask

[subtle bluff]

Follow above for the future.

[fierce ether]

Hi! Where can i see what are the best mods for assault turret and striker drone with refactor/hana u build?

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages will show all the mods. It's just DMG really the rest makes lil difference overall.

[toxic cedar]

Anyone know what modifiers im supposed to use as a healer?

[strong cave]

Get it to where you benefit with as much armor and skill repair as you can

[toxic cedar]

Im at 35 now

[strong cave]

Nice 🙏

[broken pewter]

https://youtu.be/jDWRhkwlaFA?si=yV6YNcGxn_lYZJEO

[languid wasp]

at least its not reddit

[broken pewter]

did the link sent?

[languid wasp]

Yes, let me see ur build then @broken pewter

[brittle aurora]

i literally have something like this and mine hits at around 30m HSD with my headhunter uptime

it's an Aces build though

[broken pewter]

i dont have it anymore, i got so tilted that i deleted all

[broken pewter]

what does that mean

[languid wasp]

Mine is like

[brittle aurora]

it's the same one shot build everyone uses

Headhunter Chest + Vigilance Backpack

[languid wasp]

3 pcs breaking point, the gift, the chainkiller and overdogs.

Mine is really not optimized but enough to carry me NBA heroic with 5 directives kek

[broken pewter]

is it fun to play healer? never did a healing build

[languid wasp]

Yes, it's one of the most demanding build rn due to Escalations

[brittle aurora]

you can go the lazy route and just use Refactor but there's other options like Bittersweet for DPS + Healer hybrids

[languid wasp]

Tank build sucks at escalation, others are fine.

[broken pewter]

where can i check some healing builds? im completely clueless about it

[brittle aurora]

If you still don't have it, Birdie Backpack is desireable if you're into these kinds of builds

[languid wasp]

I think Vaurien can provide one or you can check ImMrChow's bio and copy it for detailed build with mods and skills

I never really like being healer but maybe someday.

[broken pewter]

https://youtu.be/031Ffkg2-NQ?si=BrGVMAvr5jA2gAXr

what u guys think about this build?? click bait? he shows no gameplay

[languid wasp]

Talking about the person

ImMrChow will guide you through, good luck agent.

[subtle bluff]

GC... Does stuff... People have to note that him and his crew have A LOT of game time experience which allows them to get away with a ton of stuff.

[brittle aurora]

i see Ninjabike builds in youtube more than people actually using it ingame

[languid wasp]

Avoid, people don't really use Bluescreen in Escalation.

The meta would be

MK46/GR9 with frenzy

4 pcs striker/tipping scale
Hollow Man Mask
Overdogs/Contractor Gloves.

Bluescreen is strong, I admit.

but escalation's modifiers are something else lol. Your main objective is to shred the enemies down before they wipe your entire teammates.

[subtle bluff]

We have it all explain decently in the Striker guide

[subtle bluff]

Bluescreen can be powerful. I think its really dumb he's using it in the video due things becoming immune to CC at a point.

[broken pewter]

a healing build basicly comes down to throwing hives and shooting at teammates to get hp back??

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no.

[brittle aurora]

for the latter you need bittersweet

[subtle bluff]

I posted a guide above

[languid wasp]

does perfect glass cannon and overdogs stack on each other?

I forgot which tier where escalation has no cc immune and that is where Bluescreen dominates. I'd use Bluescreen other than escalation for cc

[subtle bluff]

Anything with AMP is a new number in the math.

CC isn't really need much for Heroic scaling content.

Much better for Master/Leggo content

[blissful pecan]

What is the best current build for scorpio?

[languid wasp]

I don't think I would survive with perfect glass cannon even tho the numbers are juicy.

[broken pewter]

so this is best healer build atm?

[brittle aurora]

do people even use Scorpio as a primary

[chilly steeple]

watching the gcpv video in the striker guide got me interested to try it when i get better sense of my surroundings

[haughty lance]

Is DTTOC, DTA and AMP multiplicative with one another?

[subtle bluff]

All the time. For said reason IN THE GUIDE is mention for waht reasons.

[subtle bluff]

NO and yes.

above
@haughty lance @languid wasp

[haughty lance]

THANK YOU I was looking for this

[broken pewter]

is there any gameplay vid of this build?

[languid wasp]

seems like anything that gives amp would be nice to have

[subtle bluff]

Scorpio isn't a primary weapon for any DMG builds and it's mainly used in Support/Skills builds.

[blissful pecan]

Thank you very much

[subtle bluff]

It's a standard support builds. It's used everywhere in Raids, Incursion etc etc.

[shell olive]

Then why was the ninijabike even introduce to the game?

[broken pewter]

i'm just asking because i dont know how the playstyle is, like do i get in cover and throw the healing hive?? or?? thats what im asking

[subtle bluff]

Same could be asked of why Rigger still around...

[blissful pecan]

What is the too builds currently for best dps high numbers that you cant go wrong with in any mode or activity

Sorry to ask but am trying to find the best build to master

[shell olive]

exactly

[subtle bluff]

There is no "Overall Best"

[brittle aurora]

look out for your teammates while also proc'ing your Scorpio on enemies

[subtle bluff]

If you want you can go to my bio and in my YT there one doing a leggo. It's not a standard skill setup due to the nature of the run but that's a very good showcase of FI helping out a very skill squad of people.

[subtle bluff]

The detail guide in the detail explains all of this.

[rocky igloo]

i have a 4 set of refactor dors incoming repairs help with

[subtle bluff]

incoming repairs is not worth stats to use ever...

[broken pewter]

Incursion showcase / how it could be done | Y7S1/TU24 | 4 way Split-Screen

this one

[subtle bluff]

No. Keep looking I can't link my own stuff in here.

[rocky igloo]

so skill duration then

[sweet moon]

Gah. So I'm eventually gonna have to put away Big Al

[broken pewter]

okok i'll check it

[subtle bluff]

Zoo legendary FI something

[sweet moon]

Suppose I should work on Protoing an MK46

[subtle bluff]

I haven't I still out DMG a lot players without it...

I only have 2 proto things. My lex with Back n Forth and Hollowman.

It's funny to me.

[sweet moon]

The fancy purple scratches an itch in my brain, tbh

[broken pewter]

found it

[sweet moon]

I will say. It does also satisfy me that I'm either top or very close with what I'm currently rocking 4 piece TS, Overdogs because I'm as creative as a sheet of plain paper

[languid wasp]

Big Al is okay until u go T6 and above.

[sweet moon]

....so 5 is the limit, noted

[languid wasp]

Yeah, T6 and above literally counters Big Al talent sadly

[subtle bluff]

+T6 when stuff get different.

[brittle aurora]

With Hotfoot you're not going to utilize its talent as much as you could

[sweet moon]

Well. I'm going to sheer will some Exotic components into being

[subtle bluff]

Frenzy just does the most and since it's heroic scaling not hard to deal with peaking and threat.

[exotic talon]

i should make this build

[languid wasp]

it's because we spend our lifetime playing this game behind the cover and T6 just forced you to play outside of it

[haughty lance]

If I spec into a HS build i.e determined headhunter, then I don't have to invest into crit?

[sweet moon]

I'm guessing a that LMG from the anniversary event won't cut it

[subtle bluff]

If you can get MG5 up to 160 ish rds in the mag then frenzy would be really good with it

[exotic talon]

oh yeah the new btsu scorpio will pair nicely with the datagloves lol

[brittle aurora]

my high ends used in these builds have Weapon Handling though i don't think that Crit Chance/Dmg is good either

so it doesn't matter

[sweet moon]

Hmmm, so in other words. I have a few options for decent LMGs

[languid wasp]

Tested my build, stand still target will get me up to 36m dps but in reality, prob like 10m max.

except big chungus, he will suffer for his existence.

[sweet moon]

Is there an LMG with Perfect Frenzy that could work?

Oh wait. Slepnir*? I think

[subtle bluff]

EH... Mk46 sit really well in the slot. GR9 does more but there more of issues of when Frenzy is down.

[exotic talon]

theres the one from gunner spec but i think frenzy gr9 is still better

[blissful pecan]

Do guys and girls recommend farming event keys or straight do escalation for prototypes?

[subtle bluff]

it doesn't do enough. Hence it needs a bigger mag to proc a bigger frenzy

[sweet moon]

From memory I think the GR9 can get like 400 mag with this season, right. Which at a certain point I'm guessing is just too much to be able to keep the ball rolling

[subtle bluff]

mix of both. Getting exo mats is good to have for target proto

[exotic talon]

youre better off stacking handling for frenzy so you can reload faster and turn your lmg into a laser beam

[subtle bluff]

Issue with that is at 240 rds ish frenzy goes down and you're stuck trying to empty it.
The idea is 100% uptime on Frenzy and having a breathing room to moving around or stop firing for any reasons

[sweet moon]

A big mag is good, but too big a mag just ends up being bad, basically

[subtle bluff]

The only issues with MK46 Frenzy is with Gunner spec 3rd reload.

[languid wasp]

does GR9 has CHD/CHC mod for magazines

[exotic talon]

what about
4pc striker with chest and bp
overdogs
salvo
frenzy gr9
handling from seasonal modifier

[subtle bluff]

There a fine balance in escalation case is the thought process.

[sweet moon]

I feel more knowledgeable being here, time to put knowledge into practice

[weak quail]

Skill damage and skill haste for refactor

[subtle bluff]

Salvo is basically DR for RoF when you have Frenzy up.

[sweet moon]

Could always spec out of it. Right?

[subtle bluff]

In my Profession opinion Skill dmg and CHC

[subtle bluff]

ACTUALLY not a bad thought..

DERP.. I should note that in the guide

[sweet moon]

My brain sometimes works

I do have to ask, though. How come that's so bad?

[subtle bluff]

Uh.. I just explain this.

[weak quail]

Depends on how lazy you want to be, but not much point for me to have a high CHC if my CHD is low. Skill haste doesn’t help all that much but when you run the armor with perfect kinetic momentum even five seconds save from cd add to damage overall

[subtle bluff]

Basically Fenzy is on timer and it doesn't refresh itself if the timer is still up.

[sweet moon]

Ohhh. Huh. I'll spec out of the faster reload then

[subtle bluff]

Hence using CHC/CHD instead of Skill Haste. Capa does good DPS even more if you can get it's CHC up.

[subtle bluff]

I've swapped weapons to finish stuff or if it's just reds I stay on lex to kill them all because 42 DTH is nuts.

[weak quail]

Curious on how high that can go with just gear mods and two attributes to spare

Admittedly i did see a memento refactor before, perhaps he was running something like that

[exotic talon]

memento refactor sounds fun for solo

[exotic talon]

i think having 7 skill tiers should make your skills automatically overcharge off cooldown

[weak quail]

Harmony should also work right? More ammo efficiency

[weak quail]

Oooo so it is a memento build!

Ok this i can see it work 200% haha

[rocky igloo]

Impetus is it hard to get

[weak quail]

Glass cannon affects skill damage too i reckon?

[subtle bluff]

Idk... I just went for ammo crates.. IDK lol

[subtle bluff]

"All dmg output"

source output something

Anything from you

[weak quail]

I just hate using two weapons of the same ammo type except tinkerer od

[subtle bluff]

I get it. IDK it's was leggo content so capa was need stacks anyways.

[exotic talon]

is tinkerer od for getting both sadist and a regular damage talent

[subtle bluff]

Normally when I used Test Subj is for quick encounters.

[weak quail]

Sadist with frenzy or pressure point yeah, killer can also work solo

[weak quail]

Oh fair enough

[exotic talon]

i should make a core strength tinkerer fox's rifle build

with spike, in sync and explosive sticky
based on a certain anime woman who uses an m4 sopmod block II

[rare isle]

is fox prayer better than turmoil for a pestilence build?

[exotic talon]

anything is better than turmoil because it cuts your stack damage in half

[brittle aurora]

with pestilence you're already redirecting your damage anyways

[subtle bluff]

"Better" isn't the word here.

It's more gameplay wise.

[exotic talon]

i mean turmoil makes you lose tick damage for no gain

[livid sorrel]

the problem with turmoil is that it splits your damage in half so unless you can offset that half damage somehow it's not that good, you want to thin out enemies as soon as possible

I'd only use it in a HH build when reanimated GE is on

[urban latch]

For what it's worth I never end up having issues with it. It's going to help more than it ever throws things off imo

[subtle bluff]

You never have frenzy go down?

[urban latch]

Not because I'm reloading to soon

[fierce ether]

Guys, why aren't all the buffs showing up in the HUD? Both for weapons and armor? For example i can see kinetic buff and combined perfect weapon but not capacitor stack buffs

In sync neither

[livid sorrel]

Weapon talents usually show up on the weapon itself when you aim

[fierce ether]

Ill check it

[mild flame]

if ur only choice was between big Al or bullet king on a fully optimized striker build in higher end content, which are you choosing?

[subtle bluff]

Big AL. easily.

BK isn't good really. it's mroe of a fun thing

[haughty harness]

Bullet king

[mild flame]

i picked up a decently rolled stoner in esc, but with testing in the range, im' not convinced it's much of an upgrade considering the other options available

[exotic talon]

its pretty good with TS

[subtle bluff]

Not bad....

But then TS weapon handling and ammo size becomes useless

[exotic talon]

actually mag size gives BK extra ammo
it only affects the "first magazine" so its gonna be something like 1030 rounds but still
and handling is just good on lmgs

[mild flame]

and it has ranger talent, which isn't the ideal for an LMG, but i think does help in escalation when you're playing at more of a distance i guess

there any good build tools out there to plug your stuff in see what the math says on paper to compare?

[exotic talon]

buildstation can i think

[subtle bluff]

Kind of it's not prefect still

it should do a a good base line the issues is with talents it gets messy

[subtle bluff]

The meta is fixed for Escalation because it's the higher in both Burst and Sustain but it's only used in escalating due to very high scaled Heroics.

[obtuse shoal]

I’m in love with this game!!!!!

Even though it took me months to fully understand how everything works lmao

[balmy geyser]

Wtf does the - even mean

[livid sorrel]

you hit 2.1b damage, game couldn't handle it so it just looped it back to negative 2.1b

[balmy geyser]

lmao ok

[obtuse shoal]

Opinion on running pestilence?

[weak quail]

Clearly, you were healing the enemies

[balmy geyser]

I was just gonna say lmao.. I'm working against us.

[balmy geyser]

Great with CoCo

[weak quail]

Happened to me too few weeks ago on legendary arena, amazing randoms do that

[bleak thunder]

hello everyone, im a returning player after some time away. can anyone point me to a good build so i can keep up in all the new content and changes please?

[obtuse shoal]

Sorry not hip to all the abbreviations

[rain fox]

What is the best multi damage dtoc, dta, health dmg or amplified damage

[balmy geyser]

Striker, basically any weapon except sniper or shotgun weapon, you're welcome

[weak quail]

Been told some shotguns are good for stacks tho

[rain fox]

Ye stack broker with back and forth is the goat

[subtle bluff]

Yes it is but you don't need it unless you're doing something that you know you can safely stack with it.

[balmy geyser]

Yes, but as main, you can use lefty for dmg for example

[balmy geyser]

Concentrated Company

[bleak thunder]

just 6 striker? nothing else?

[rain fox]

No 4

[balmy geyser]

So, i'm currently running this.

(yellow being Turmoil)

[bleak thunder]

oh wow ok what is that purple gear?

[subtle bluff]

WHY a use Yellow Investor..

[balmy geyser]

Ignore the purple, not necessary

[rain fox]

Looks strong would be obviously stronger with a red 6 red cores

[subtle bluff]

Just go hallowman or more Overdogs

[balmy geyser]

It's a full red core investor, you donkey poo

[weak quail]

Never use more than 4 greens

[subtle bluff]

Go Overdogs.... If you're gonna use Turmoil.

[balmy geyser]

Nah, hate overdogs, overrated crap gloves

[subtle bluff]

You'll hit the hard you need at some point anyways

[rain fox]

If you like dealing damage to multiple enemies keep the turmoil for best single target to go hollow man mask over dog glove

[balmy geyser]

overglazed

[subtle bluff]

Idk why you'd hate 30% amp....

Turmoil is more glazed....

[lone wadi]

overglazed but you got on yellow investor xD

[bleak thunder]

alright im going to see what i can do now. thanks

[balmy geyser]

IF you constantly hit the lowest tier enemy, sure.. And thats why I hate it

[balmy geyser]

I dont.

[livid sorrel]

at that point might as well use some real contrarian build like TP or full HE

[subtle bluff]

It's heroic... It's like 2/3 of them..

[lone wadi]

is this ragebait

[balmy geyser]

Only kinda

[subtle bluff]

Hollowman will beat out that by far

[weak quail]

Is it working?

[subtle bluff]

if you don't wanna use Overdogs..

[rain fox]

Here's why overdogs are the best you should be cleaning up the weaker enemies first because there the weakest they go down quicker less enemies you aren't getting overwhelmed

[balmy geyser]

How will Hollowman give me 42% crit dmg, do tell

[subtle bluff]

Taking stuff off the field quicker the better.

[rain fox]

And the hollow man can help with reds as they only have health right?

[subtle bluff]

21 DTH is a lot

when again Heroic scaling

[lone wadi]

Are you expertise 30 yet

[balmy geyser]

no lol

[mild flame]

The rainbow rolls on protos is kinda comical and frustrating at the same time. To roll skill haste on a pure dps piece makes no sense. But I get it...chase the dopamine, so I digress

[subtle bluff]

oh ya that's fair

[balmy geyser]

not even close

i'm like.. 11 now.

[lone wadi]

It’s the same as farming on heroic but just with different gear rarities

[mild flame]

yeah i just need to hurry up and get to 30 so i can convert what i have at least

[balmy geyser]

Like.. I have the gloves.. i just hate not always having the buff.. simple as that.. I dont care if it's better in a perfect ideal situation.. Again.. Overglazed

[subtle bluff]

Overdogs + Hollowman is the reason on the end screen I'm doing more than players with full proto type (a lot more than me) with only Lex and Hollowman Proto and having 0 exp Mk46.

[rain fox]

Just the augment from the proto gear is worth it in my opinion helps slot echo or quantum are nice

[subtle bluff]

Like outright not by 5-15 kills

[lone wadi]

overglazed means that it performs worse than we say but it really doesn’t

[subtle bluff]

a set full echo is only about 20% more

where again Overdogs is 30%

[livid sorrel]

even if you ignore enemy tiers it's still a good buff

[balmy geyser]

Dont say 30% when its not

It's 30% when you're ONLY shooting the lowest tier, which you're not always doing

[rain fox]

Echo say you deal the damage twice tho if you got the % up would it be slot more kind of like chc

[subtle bluff]

It is. It does the final check in the math and since it's AMP it's 30%.

[gentle lichen]

I think they mean uptime would impact that 30% amp for the entire mission/activity

[subtle bluff]

It's like 80-95% of time.

It's again Heroic scaling.

[lone wadi]

theres an argument for whe you need focus chungas down but thats what hollowman is for

[mellow flint]

i just MADE SOME BULLSHIT

[balmy geyser]

Well. doesnt matter, i'm not using them over my proto gloves atm anyway.

[livid sorrel]

cmiiw but a 100% amp(which is what echo is effectively) that happens 50% of the time is a 50% amp

[subtle bluff]

but even then taking out the lower guys taht would mess with you the whole time would be the counter arguement.

[gentle lichen]

It wouldn't be like
Mission takes 10 mins with 10m dps
Mission would take 7 mins with 13m dps cause adding overdogs

[subtle bluff]

It's only a nade chunga and not a gunner one.

[lone wadi]

That’s true

[rain fox]

Oh OK I mean it's a extra source of damage still when everything comes together on the right build could be nasty still haven't completed it yet tho

[lone wadi]

usually if it’s not outcast or true sons just knock the chain off and focus someone else

[subtle bluff]

Throw a Decoy near the chunga and it's not on you.

But then if you're group is smart Crossbolt or Rav will take care of the Chunga

🥺

[lone wadi]

The guys I run with are stupid so we all just hold mouse 1

[rain fox]

What's your thoughts on the first blossom for chunga feels like it works well on them for me

[subtle bluff]

-# I said that right? 🐐 ?

[livid sorrel]

that's a big ask

[subtle bluff]

SERIOUSLY...
I did a LFG MM with T10 as support they're lead was QQ I didn't have hive down the whole time while he was not in LoS of it.... but the rest of were...

[bleak thunder]

this is what i currently built

[livid sorrel]

for general use you can't really make use of striker chest, use equalizer chest

[rain fox]

@bleak thunder what content you doing with this if not legendary or above you won't beat the equaliser chest

[weak quail]

And give that armor piece a gear mod

[rain fox]

The chest only beats equaliser at 151 stacks or above

[urban latch]

Your making a fair enough point that it's not active 100% of the time, that's completely true. So the question is how often is it active?

Even if we just assumed there was always some tier 1 hiding from view and overdogs was only active on the tier 1 enemies, that is still a lot of uptime.

So how much is needed for overdogs to be worth it? A typical replacement is going to be somewhere around a 6-8% damage increase over an inactive overdogs. So if overdogs is only active half the time, it's twice as effective as a replacement. If it's active 1/4 of the time it's roughly on par.

[bleak thunder]

i wanted to do all content, im a returning player so im not even sure whats good and what im missing

[subtle bluff]

Haven't tried it on escalation chungas. If the RPM were higher I'd use it.

[rain fox]

I recommend eqaulizer I've beat t10 with it yesterday with good team mates

[lone wadi]

Which you can easily maintain t8+

[rain fox]

Ye I feel you on that Mr how very slow fire rate

[balmy geyser]

I mean, most people are just throwing out halfassed guesses and stats pulled from the gutter.. At the end of the day, it's a matter of convenience for me, knowing that the buff I have, is on, consistently.

[urban latch]

I'm not though lol

[balmy geyser]

I wasn't referring to you bud

[livid sorrel]

that's a crazy assumption lmfao

[rain fox]

Oh ye if it's for high tier content striker chest all day

[gentle lichen]

I would like to mention that a set like negotiator's dilemma can actually makes huge use of overdogs as it can just mark a tier 1 enemy and then move onto bottom tier to transfer that 30% amp towards that enemy that would otherwise not get it increasing the uptime immensely

[subtle bluff]

But then why use First Boom since you do less dmg has hurt them?
aka actively doing less DPS.

[balmy geyser]

Not really when all of the "stats" aren't remotely accurate to each other lmao

[balmy geyser]

It was just on at the time. I have another proto and a Lexington im using

[urban latch]

Huge on HH as well to get stacks started on low tier enemies. It has a lot of specific uses as well as just being really good in general.

[rain fox]

@balmy geyser whatever works roll with it brother if you enjoy it and it gets the job done that's the best build right there

[balmy geyser]

Also, some guy has actually made exyensive testing and it seems that First bloom is outperforming Lexington (Provided that it's not buffed by Killer.

[bleak thunder]

ya i dont have any of that gear you guys are talking about sadly

[subtle bluff]

idk why so many players think Overdogs be not on is a huge vs something else which in the end does less at the end it all.

[bleak thunder]

i switched to this

[livid sorrel]

ceska should work fine

[balmy geyser]

You're missing the point.

I'd rather have something on 100% than not.

[livid sorrel]

gonna need some numbers on that

[balmy geyser]

He did a whole YT video.

[livid sorrel]

Who?

[subtle bluff]

So you'd rather do less dmg because of the feeling like you're not having unknowingly active proc.

Toasty?

[balmy geyser]

Well.. There we go. Easy peasy

[rain fox]

I've tested the first blossom proto vs lexington Pro on high tier escalation and it's hard to tell the difference

The first blossom shreds until they get low then the lex would out perform it

[balmy geyser]

I always do most damage. But ok haha

[slate basin]

If that loss of overall damage leads to higher mission success chance, every day of the week.

[subtle bluff]

Let's group?

[urban latch]

There is a valid argument for consistency in damage rather than a higher average that spikes.

[balmy geyser]

Bruh. It's not a competition haha. Plus, competing for highest end damage makes you play carelessly and stressing to groups and overextending putting your team at risk. Not doing that chief

[subtle bluff]

I agreed but at that point I'm more focus on positioning where the ads that I'm shooting at.

[subtle bluff]

But you said this. Sooo......

[slate basin]

Odogs are very strong, but there are points in missions where targets you need to kill won't benefit from them, but must die first.

[halcyon sentinel]

does normal FI enough for t6+ escal?

[balmy geyser]

Well? I do? Based on the Esca's I run? I don't compete for it tho?

[subtle bluff]

never said you didn't did I? nor did any of us.

[balmy geyser]

No, but you're the one who wanted to challenge me bro, stahp. You're being edgy now

[rain fox]

If you replace overdogs with ceska I don't belive that's a good trade of 8% chc isn't to hard to get but 30% amp is

[slate basin]

Also the bigger benefit for me of running no Exotic armor (ie. hollow man/Fox's Prayers over Odogs) is faster birdies hotswap when run goes catastrophic.

[rain fox]

@slate basin this is the only place I would run no overdogs

[subtle bluff]

You are making a statement vs arguing with you more I'd rather challenge the fact knowing you have your gear and all proto and stuff and I don't.

[balmy geyser]

There @livid sorrel

Better? xD

[livid sorrel]

??? i wasn't asking for your investor rolls

[balmy geyser]

Wasn't it you who asked about a ragebait

Ops.. now I replied to the wrong person

Bleeh.. Whatever haha.. Not sure why my opinion on Overdogs spurred this

[subtle bluff]

But I've also said stated before that one person in the squad not being on overdogs can be good to start focusing on M. Tank, Dogs and Chunga while the ones on Overdogs can do clean up to work up.

[rain fox]

Fellas I'll end all arguments right now and tell you the best gear piece in the game is the ninja bike bag

[balmy geyser]

I like to play dynamically.. Which means I don't always want to look for the lowest tier enemy. Sometimes, I need to target the highest.

And me doing so, is also me knowing that im not benefiting from the GLoves.. get it?

[livid sorrel]

weird way to spell harrier pride but ok

[halcyon sentinel]

is there alternative for the setup in FI build?

[rain fox]

I was being sarcastic by the way I'm not a noob

[slate basin]

Quickstep is the best piece of gear that has allowed me to survive much more situations that I should have.

[balmy geyser]

Also, Harrier best? xD

Isn't it annoying to lose the upkeep as soon as you leave combat?

[livid sorrel]

right, sawyer's it is

[rain fox]

Have you tried harrier pride striker with the Eagle bearer that's a fun build

[balmy geyser]

Don't have Eagle 🥲

[lone wadi]

an alternative for the debuff it provides? Not really, but people quickswap to birdies for the oc on revive and the revive speed

[balmy geyser]

Also, let me see if I can find that First Bloom VS Lexington video for ya

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAG8MzCq458

[fierce ether]

can anyone send me the hotshot screenshot build?

[rain fox]

Lexigton is my go to but I've been using that first blossom and it's definitely a top tier gun not sure if it's best to will keep testing

[balmy geyser]

Watch the video

[rain fox]

Ye numbers don't lie

[urban latch]

Oh God it's tux.... Dude doesn't know anything, just hypes up whatever the newest items are and sells off "new" builds to new players who don't know any better

[balmy geyser]

Isn't that kinda every TD creator? But he's doing the math tho

[urban latch]

He specifically is one of the worst and most misleading people out there. Has been for years

[shy willow]

Where your imperial dynasty

[livid sorrel]

Without actual math we can verify ourselves it's not very reliable

[balmy geyser]

Yea? I mean, I wouldn't know. Haven't been watching them. I merely based my judgement from the video alone

[livid sorrel]

... so you don't know, so you're gonna watch a video you don't know is true and spread info you don't know is correct

[subtle bluff]

Last time, if this were Master or Leggo sure that's fair to say due to very high mix of tiers there.
But on heroic scaling most of the time you'll be shooting the right tier the only real time it becomes an issues is when there heal box or rez drone, in which case you Need to destroy or it's a mission with a boss and ads, which in that case yes Overdogs isn't good if the focus of everyone.

At a higher thought process Rusher, Thrower, Sniper and Flamers are the ones you want to priority anyways since they all scary to leave up for too long.

[balmy geyser]

??? What are you on about?

I watched the video.. And saw the stats he provided from the tests he performed..

I didnt know that he, as a creator, behaved as abovementioned

[chilly steeple]

i tried watching a couple videos of this dude when i just started and it's really evident they use ai to write most of their shit, even down to the music he "makes"

[livid sorrel]

a few seconds in and i can already tell he used AI for his script

[balmy geyser]

I mean, im no one to not admit fault at all? If it's all BS, i'll take it to heart. But it didnt seem that way based on what I saw.

[slate basin]

Glancing over it seems like math "adds up" but seems the comparison is of Prototype Bloom to non prototype Lex slightly nudging the First bloom to overtake on average.

[subtle bluff]

Does he do the math on scaling?

[livid sorrel]

could be making those numbers up, unless we get our hands on that sheet ourselves we can't verify

[rain fox]

It does make sense tho if I was using first blossom I would use salvo holster especially with striker chest for faster staking

[balmy geyser]

I mean.. shi.. wtf do i know.

Sorry for bringing it up in the first place

[urban latch]

Like... Do you understand that this is literally showing Lexington with all these talents are stronger?

[balmy geyser]

Yea, to make a weapon comparison fair, they did it without killer.

AND with

[slate basin]

Also funnily the graph that shows First Bloom spiking due to DtH doesn't have Lex spike due to its DtH?

[rain fox]

Killer won't be active alot on stuff like high tier escalation kills don't come to often there sponges

[slate basin]

It is fair comparison to apply different talents as Killer gets signifigantly less consistent in multiplayer and higher content.

[balmy geyser]

I never said that First Bloom vastly outperforms Lex...

I said that First bloom is a good contender to Lex..

And it's also arguably better against certain enemies

due to the talent

[gentle lichen]

Against chungas sure

[balmy geyser]

anyway, w/e. I don't use neither so I don't care that much haha

[urban latch]

Ok, to be clear, I'm not even double checking his numbers right now, but assuming (BIIG assumption for tux) they are correct, he is literally showing that the average damage with bloom is lower than all options with Lexington. Then making the claim.tjat bloom is stronger? See my point about him being misleading? He doesn't know what he's talking about

[rain fox]

I'm about to find out I'm taking lex and first blossom with same stats and will test it now I'm looking for max dps every drop I can squeeze out why not

[balmy geyser]

I'll keep that in mind when I come across his future content.

[gentle lichen]

I used to be in bro's clan

[weak quail]

Throwers are low tier aka overdogs fodder eh, that’s good, i hate them

[gentle lichen]

Also rushers and snipers

Pretty big targets when not playing against bt imo

[rain fox]

What do you think of postmaster he seem knowledgeable on the game

[subtle bluff]

Why I have overdogs on for most of leggo... You let those guys setup and it's over.

[balmy geyser]

Ever since i got this LMG, everything else seems kinda poo.

[weak quail]

I hate black tusk throwers way too much

[weak quail]

Only way it could have been better would be if it was a bell ringer

[balmy geyser]

What's that?

[rain fox]

Mk is best but if its all he has not a bad choice

[weak quail]

MG5 that sings the carols as you shoot it, amazing

[balmy geyser]

Depends, not in burst it's not.

[livid sorrel]

ugh, the ai thumbnails alone tanks his credibility

[balmy geyser]

Ah no way. sorry, you're right. I was thinking of the M(k)46 something

[subtle bluff]

with Frenzy in context MG5 isn't on the list.

[rain fox]

I've never fully tested them but I did test the military mk 46, m60 classic and the gr9 and the numbers are very close in sustainable damage the difference in damage and rpm seems to be well balanced

[urban latch]

This is a good example of where a high end with the right rolls will be stronger than a random proto with wrong rolls

[rain fox]

All with frenzy on

[balmy geyser]

How is it wrong?

(also consider im not exp 30, so I take what I get)

[rain fox]

Get a mk 46 military which I use and a mg5 both with same 3rd attributes and compare them see for yourself

[balmy geyser]

But.. just tell me haha

[urban latch]

The mg5 with frenzy is a heavy downgrade to an mk46 with frenzy, plus the third roll on it being crit damage.

[subtle bluff]

I LOVE MG5 but with Frenzy talent isn't doesn't compare to most of the other LMGs

[rain fox]

It's all build dependent tho aswell

[urban latch]

You'll literally outpreform it with a high end not at 30 expertise

[rain fox]

With tipping scales the classic m60 outperforms all of the in sustainable damage

[balmy geyser]

I got Stoner LAMG with Strained, is that better?

[exotic talon]

can this work with bleed hive and restorer chem

[subtle bluff]

You "could"

[balmy geyser]

I mean, reason why I like MG5 is because of the quick Striker stack buildup.

Granted, there's probably better talents to be had on it

[rain fox]

@balmy geyser get a gr9 with frenzy and you won't look back it gets fun

[balmy geyser]

Well, i'd have to wait until next LMG esca rotation

[rain fox]

With striker your frenzy uptime should be perfectly time if not close

Use a docoy and get to work on them

[balmy geyser]

I mean, I melt everything all the time.

(At T4-5)

[subtle bluff]

Lex measured and First Bloom on HE DPS.
-# That handling difference is real..

[rain fox]

That's it nothing can outperform the lex for me with how it controls its a lazer that another thing to consider weapon handling

If your not hitting shots your not putting out damage

[balmy geyser]

Not hitting the enemy is the last of my issues haha

I use M&K afterall

[rain fox]

You use mouse?

[balmy geyser]

yes lol

[rain fox]

OK that's the problem on controller you need better handling

[junior lagoon]

so this viode supposed to show firt bloo has worse weapon handling than lex?

[subtle bluff]

First time using it... The hozi recoil is more than I thought.

It's just a clips do what wiith you think

[balmy geyser]

See, you don't really see this being an argument haha..

Hypothetically speaking, could First bloom be greater if you used a mouse?

[rain fox]

Oh ye it's a capicotor at the end of the day that's its downside controlled and rof

[subtle bluff]

Not arguing anything here just makign clips

[balmy geyser]

?

[rain fox]

Ye you have a good point tho it does kick like a mule

[subtle bluff]

At least I'm not. Just the only thing noticable here is handling.

[junior lagoon]

i dont deny it just i did not feel first bloom had worse handling

[rain fox]

I would say lex on controller blossom on mouse

[balmy geyser]

I was gonna say something rude about your reading comprehension. But i'll refrain. I think it was just a misunderstanding on your part.

I didn't imply that he was trying to prove anything.

[subtle bluff]

don't believe I'm saying this.... but one could say Turmoil could be .... ok (maybe good) with First Bloom...

[balmy geyser]

well well well haha

[rain fox]

Not sure but I can say this with confidence turmoil is the best for a 1 shot build

Without termoil I get 28-29mil with term oil I get 25mil 2x so 50 mill free damage ontop

Termoil lies the damage is not halfed

[subtle bluff]

Ya HH is rather cheese on HH

[shy willow]

Yes and no, it's way more annoying to stack

[balmy geyser]

Let me see your stats Tim, with lex

[rain fox]

On my main build?

[balmy geyser]

yea mate

[rain fox]

OK 1 sec

[balmy geyser]

this i mean

[urban latch]

What are you trying to compare here?

[balmy geyser]

just checking. I know there's a million other indicators to take into account

[urban latch]

But checking what

[shy willow]

Wth is even going on

[rain fox]

I know your using ceska and probably gruppo but I'm not a big fan

[balmy geyser]

woot

[rain fox]

Numbers don't consider the overdogs and the 24% from equaliser with is also multiplied damage if you didn't know not addative I believe

[balmy geyser]

You're running striker yea?

[rain fox]

I am

[subtle bluff]

There's a DPS calc in the Pinned's.

[balmy geyser]

So.. Here's actually something ive been wondering.. Why would you use Equalizer? instead of the Striker chest?

[rain fox]

Here's why

If you can't maintain over 151 stacks the eqaulizer wins and it's up all the time

[balmy geyser]

I see. But if I can? Like.. easily?

[rain fox]

If you can have over 151 stacks on your chest and maintain it yes striker wins

[balmy geyser]

I have MG5 with frenzy, remember haha.

goes brrrrrr

[shy willow]

The main issue being that you'll be killing way too fast to be at that high of a stack count consistently in most activities

So it's better to opt for something that ramps up faster or has no ramp up even if you have a lower top end most of the time

[balmy geyser]

But yea no I get it. I'd probably use it too lowkey, but I don't have a perfect Equalizer, unfortunately, hence why I use Turmoil

[rain fox]

I don't doubt the chest has more damage if definitely does but I like to have all my damage always and as fast as possible

[balmy geyser]

I olny have this one (sadge)

[mellow flint]

is 231% chd enough

[balmy geyser]

And this is my current proto chest.

[subtle bluff]

Only if you're at CHC cap.

[balmy geyser]

(Augment is poo, i know)

[rain fox]

Keep the chest and gloves in mind

[subtle bluff]

If I tried to do this with Striker Chest it'd look very different

[balmy geyser]

Im gonna assume you're Exp 30

[exotic talon]

FI healer wants skill haste right

[rain fox]

Ye the current goat and yes

[subtle bluff]

It's in the guide.

[rain fox]

Got lucky 22.5 wd on every piece reason I also use this build

[exotic talon]

yeag i asked then went back to check

[balmy geyser]

holy

[mellow flint]

more chc got it

[rain fox]

Put it this way legendary feels like challenging

[exotic talon]

is the setup in the general loot pool

[lone wadi]

Ye

Also can craft

[long dove]

whats good this season with pesti coco or lengmo?

[balmy geyser]

I can definitely imagine..

I'm going balls to the walls next Striker rotation, mark my words.

[subtle bluff]

Be nice Heroic...

but the AI is harder.

[shy willow]

For people who could already comfortably do legendaries ofc it would make it way easier

But for people who can't it's not gonna hard carry them into a clear

[subtle bluff]

I only have 2 ND Proto

😅

[balmy geyser]

Not being 30 is very crippling..

[shy willow]

ND is next on my list after EP

[rain fox]

I'm currently running heroic with 4 directive no ammo directive and I farm some serious xp melt all enemies

[shy willow]

Managed to finish up FI, striker, OD

[subtle bluff]

Not really. Maybe to a degreebut no.

[lone wadi]

Nah

more like being 30 is just a nice bonus

[balmy geyser]

I mean, 30% damage increase is nothing to scuff about

[rain fox]

@balmy geyser no you can wait until striker is targeted loot and farm the pieces and save tons of materials

[balmy geyser]

And the ability to Have more augments on more gear with better stats.. which you can convert

[lone wadi]

Again, just nice bonuses

[subtle bluff]

Go do a run like this and with you mostly exp gear.

[balmy geyser]

Well.. you're underplaying it quite a lot if you ask me haha

[subtle bluff]

You'll see it's not just build taht matter. But by no mean builds does help.

[balmy geyser]

TTK matters quite a lot.

[subtle bluff]

0.5s TTK

[rain fox]

Mr chow I was farming with a noob 4th account yesterday same build pretty much as you on heroic 3 directive no problems at all onl kitsenubi gave me trouble zometimes

[subtle bluff]

depending on cases.

[subtle bluff]

With no watch too?

[rain fox]

Ye

[weak quail]

I run all 5 cause OD is goated for that

[lone wadi]

Very true

[rain fox]

I forgot no watch points then put them on striker just that good

@weak quail ye I can't do it with striker always run dry

[subtle bluff]

I only made that video for the player that cry at my SHD level. I wish I could keep an account at 600 SHD.

[rain fox]

I don't like cool skills or ammo directive to farm

[weak quail]

I hated managing my stacks and feeling like i didn’t give the team something, plus survivor’s fire grenades are goated so OD it is on the overworld

[junior lagoon]

you're a pvp guy?

[lone wadi]

might not be a very good damage comparison since sc on the left has expertise 19 lmg but it's that vs full proto gear on the right, both the same build

[rain fox]

Ye od 3rd best in game just my opinion

[weak quail]

Cool skill is a pain unless one of the two skills is a drone to my experience

[rain fox]

1 Striker, 2 tipping scales, 3 od

Ye if you get a robot dog you seem to run out of bullets also the kitunebi you would run out

[jade hedge]

I currently use a 4-Piece Striker set with Coyote and Equalizer. Would I be better of continuing to max out any remainder stats, or would I be better of mix-and-matching high-end gear that boost my CC CD and Weapon Damage? like Grupo, Ceska, Fenris etc?

[rain fox]

Your chc should always be half of your chd roughly

I use 60chc and 120 chd well I try to

@jade hedge me personally I use overdogs instead of coyote

[lone wadi]

well its really just close to 60 chc and rest chd and it usually just works out to be half when youre using gearsets

[rain fox]

Ye don't go over

People make a mistake they will put like 45 or 50 chc then there only hitting half the time or less than half

60 is my choice allways

[shy willow]

50 was mainly the old recommendation because of coyote, but now we have overdogs

[rain fox]

Ye that's fair

[jade hedge]

I haven't had Overdogs yet aha, and Coyote is a tad simpler to use since its just raw CC / CD bump. I am only SHD 230~ so still learning enemy tiers, and such. As for my current build I went with Green Set because it was easier to max out, but just unsure if long term committing to 5 pieces of high-end with an exotic is stronger?

[rain fox]

But get closer to 60 with overdogs or you can put lower if a friend is running coyote I'm solo alot so always 60

Overdogs at first Don work until you know how to keep them going constantly

[weak quail]

If you use coyote try to keep your chc at 50-55 so it benefits from it

[balmy geyser]

Echo kinda makes testing a bit difficult.. And I don't even have that many echo pieces..

[jade hedge]

this is my current stats with Lexington, I alternate between that and St Elmo's Engine. Then Stack Broker to rapidly build Striker stacks on a tanky enemy

[rain fox]

What's this build bling I'll test my best against yours see if I can get you more damage without overdogs I'll test a few combos as I also want to lose the overdogs at some point so I can shoot all enemies in sight and not prioritise enemy's when I'm trying to chill

@jade hedge ye a little more chc if you can

[balmy geyser]

I dunno, it's just the pieces I have and found haha

Gunner Striker, LMG, Red core investor, Turmoil.

[shy willow]

Turmoil is ganking you😭

[rain fox]

Right no worries brother I'm not a fan of the investor I wasted about 80 exo comp 2 days ago not a single good roll

[balmy geyser]

nah, best option I have, based on the protos I currently have

[shy willow]

It's not all about prototypes 😭

A trash prototype is still worse than a good high end

[rain fox]

Maybe try negotiators dele a if you like multi target kills at once

[urban latch]

Go into your chat options and turn on damage numbers. Will make things easier for you

[balmy geyser]

Why are you emoji crying? Can you have a conversation without memeing?

[balmy geyser]

ooooh. nice! I didnt know you could do that, cheers.

[subtle bluff]

Also DPS counter in the range isn't... Accuracy.

[balmy geyser]

yea nah haha

I was just referring to this bit right here

[lone wadi]

thats just turmoil dmg transfer

[rain fox]

Ye take your builds into a mission that's how I test them out in the world

[balmy geyser]

Makes sense, purely based on TTK i suppose

[subtle bluff]

Funny enough if we're talking about TTK. Turmoil double your TTK for a single target.

[rain fox]

Ye and you could run the mission as fast as possible and time it see what can clear it the fastest stuff like that I always wanna be as fast as I can definitely when it come to xp farming

[urban latch]

Bling go buy the mk46 that's being sold at the campus and reroll CHC onto it. And compare that to your proto mg5

[balmy geyser]

Yea but that guy just wanted to trash my build and not tell me why I shouldnt use it haha... twit

[balmy geyser]

haha oki

[rain fox]

Turmoil are good if you feeling lazy or just wanna chill

[hazy steeple]

@balmy geyser Drop the attitude. People are trying to help you and you're doing nothing but making things up and insulting them in response.
Take a break.

[fierce ether]

In sync talent in refactor build is important? I mean i bring perfect in sync in secondary weapon and in sync in pistol but if i am using capacitator all the time to hold x40 stacks, in sync talent is just useless right?

[balmy geyser]

WTf are you even saying? I'm having a perfectly normal conversation here.. and ONE guy comes in and acts like a tool.. but I get crap for it?

[fierce ether]

Or maybe i dont know how it works

[lone wadi]

turmoil hh with overdogs is just great for lazy cp clears

[shy willow]

Well from a glance you're running a skill tier and turmoils both of which are ruining your damage

[rain fox]

In syce give 40% weapon and skill damage if shooting enemies also

[subtle bluff]

So the reason In-Sync is used for 2nd for Capa is for 2 reason. Ammo or quick encounters.

[balmy geyser]

I rerolled it

[shy willow]

Swap them for something else and you will see a large improvement

Now just to swap turmoils then

[hazy steeple]

@balmy geyser You've been given your warning. Take it under advisement and improve in the future.
The next will be official, which I'd rather not do.

[rain fox]

Ye just go with the standard ceska all stats will be the same and you now deal 100 to each enemy

[balmy geyser]

You've been on my ass multiple times now for no reason.. I dont know what BS you're projecting but keep working on yourslf and not me, cool thanks.

[fierce ether]

Dumno what are u trying to say me, just to get ammo?

[subtle bluff]

Different ammo types.

[shy willow]

Yeah it's the reason I run harmony instead of test subject as my secondary on that type of build

[balmy geyser]

What would you say i'd replace Turmoil with? If I only have the kneepads to replace?

[shy willow]

If it's explosives or fire I'll run an in sync mop tho

[lone wadi]

just normal ceska

[rain fox]

Ceska kneepads or foxes prayer

[balmy geyser]

Okidok

[subtle bluff]

Just chill.. We're all trying to be helpful. We get some are react harder than others.

[fierce ether]

But drop capacitator stacks to swap harmony is worth?

[rain fox]

If you want dtoc

[shy willow]

Just there as a backup

Capacitor is by far better

[fierce ether]

Ok if i run out of capacitator ammo just swap to harmony

[balmy geyser]

I know? And im replying in a non-hostile way? Like what? wtf do you assume I come across as? xD

It was just naval using the damn crying emoji that ticked me off, everyone else has been super helpful and I haven't criticized any of it

[shy willow]

Bruh

[balmy geyser]

Like damn..

[rain fox]

If you need crit chance go ceska if not go foxes prayer 8% damage to target out of cover

[subtle bluff]

I mean.. You're reacting to everything just saying...

[balmy geyser]

I mean, can you understand me tho? You were making fun of me using Turmoil.. but not giving me an option.

[shy willow]

Nobody is making fun of you

[balmy geyser]

wdym? I'm replying?

[shy willow]

It's constructive criticism

[rain fox]

Nothing wrong with termoil but only on certain builds brother

[balmy geyser]

Well, consider me boomer, but I assumed you did based on the way you used that emoji. Sorry if that wasnt your intention mate

[rain fox]

Let's say your doing so much damage that your killing enemies to fast you can use termoils

[urban latch]

turmoil is also very situational. its usefulness really depends on what your doing\

if we're still talking escalation, I wouldnt recommend it at all

[rain fox]

Noo lol

If you join escalation with termoil you will probably get kicked

[balmy geyser]

Ok.. this.. is gonna sound so incredibly f-in dumb.. And yes.. this is ABSOLUTELY worth mocking.. but im being so deadass right now..

I didnt even think of the talent Turmoil has.. I was merely taking the stats into consideration.

Im actually so cringe

[drifting fiber]

did i mess up this build?
it only does max 628k body
and 945k headshot

[subtle bluff]

More or less that's me too

[balmy geyser]

NOW.. I get why I shouldnt use Turmoil lmaooooooooo

[urban latch]

I think thats more common than I wish it was lol. I think a lot of players get it as a max CHC/CHD ceska piece and just throw it on

[rain fox]

@balmy geyser ye it's kind of a free talent but your damage is split so not really free

[balmy geyser]

I LITERALLY DIDNT SEE IT hahahaha

[rain fox]

Ye all good bro comes at a cost of split damage

[balmy geyser]

I thought it was f-in wierd when I saw enemies next to my target taking damage.. but no one was shooting at it..

i feel so incredibly stupid right now

[lone wadi]

oh so thats why you thought the extra numbers were echo

[rain fox]

Oh ye if you got your build with serious damage enemies around you drop like flies

[balmy geyser]

I dont even know nothing anymore bro

[urban latch]

on lower difficulties where your spending more time target finding than focusing targets down, its legit really good. HH where you'll still 1 tap things, very good. But higher tier stuff like escalation where focusing your damage on a single threat to get right of it asap, actively hurting you

[rain fox]

@balmy geyser that's why we come here to ask for advice

[balmy geyser]

I mean yea, makes perfect sense hahaha

[subtle bluff]

🥹 Is this ok to do now? 😄

[urban latch]

Itll also clean this mess up a bit lol

[balmy geyser]

I literally never scrolled down to see the talent Turmoil provides.. I'm so dumbfounded by myself

[rain fox]

Lol wait until you see the overdogs or blacklisters it's like have a extra talent on you build but they all come at a cost so is the cost worth it to you is all it comes down to

[weak quail]

Snow machine and turmoil are the only named knee pads with a talent so that’s understandable

[balmy geyser]

I can't find the LMG you mentioned bro

[rain fox]

Military mk46

[weak quail]

Only time i used them was with survivalist as his fire nades keep them busy long enough to do the trick, but killing the first kitsunabe takes five business days

[balmy geyser]

here?

[lone wadi]

yes campus vendor

[balmy geyser]

I'll use these badbois instead haha

[rain fox]

Perfect set right there

[balmy geyser]

mine doesnt sell no MK56 🤔

[lone wadi]

can you send screenshot of items u see
they are the same for all players

[balmy geyser]

AH, yea no that one I have, yes

[lone wadi]

maybe thats why.. the name is different but same gun platform

[balmy geyser]

And this one should be better? you think?

[rain fox]

Ye it's different for me to

[balmy geyser]

than my current lmg?

[urban latch]

go test it out

[rain fox]

1 is m60 other is the iwi negev

[balmy geyser]

will do... but I have to make a new test without the turmoils now xD

[urban latch]

keep in mind with frenzy active the rpm will be different btween them

[rain fox]

M60 classic is a good option with frenzy

[balmy geyser]

Aye, aware

[rain fox]

You have to tune your weapon by adding rof if the frenzy ends to early

If it ends to late reduce mag size to

Add I mean

[balmy geyser]

Whats the ideal? Thats why I used the extra big mag on the MG5..

So I could benefit more from it while its active

[urban latch]

You want the +50 mag on it

[subtle bluff]

Yes that mask sucks a lot.

[balmy geyser]

aye, I do.

[urban latch]

CHC on the third roll

[rain fox]

Play around with all the different mgs put frenzy on them all dial them in and see which you enjoy the most I enjoy the gr9 so it's what I use

[subtle bluff]

It's the highest on DPS charts

[rain fox]

It's fun to use to when that fzenzy kicks in

[halcyon sentinel]

FI with 3 haste and 3 repair is good or just go with one of them?

[subtle bluff]

There is no wrong way it's player preference.

It's explain in the guide

[rain fox]

I use repair skill on every piece then fill in with hast to help me chem laucher

[halcyon sentinel]

yes, i just want to try to balance it between those 2

[rain fox]

So 6 repair

For me personally

[drifting fiber]

so overdogs then?

[subtle bluff]

that's a bit too much you only need like 6 slots full to max out Hive charge to heal a red player

[balmy geyser]

Based on my "test" which isn't necessarily super accurate.. But.. the dps, while frenzy is active, is basically the same on both.

However, the burst seems to be better on mine.. But it's so hard to compare tbh

[subtle bluff]

that or tinkerer

[subtle bluff]

In the Pinned Messages there's a DPS calc if you want to use to compare on paper.

[balmy geyser]

hm ok, i'll check it out

[halcyon sentinel]

okay i just need the backpack now

[rain fox]

Ye 6 slots is what I use bro rest haste

[urban latch]

How are you comparing?

[drifting fiber]

i should just scrap the whole build then? since i want to use the bluescreen

[rain fox]

Faster you fire faster you kill

[subtle bluff]

Maybe OD is powerful with those and Sadist weapon.
Bluescreen works better on TS and ND.

[rain fox]

Gr9 with sadist or frenzy you destroy anything in your path

Ceska bag with wicked

I've wiped lengedary with no expertise ongoing directive with frenzy, ceska bag with wicked and overdogs gloves

Gr9

[balmy geyser]

Don't ask bro haha. It's not worth it. I'll use the calc instead haha

I guess from a fair dps comparison, bodyshots is what you want to use in the calculator, but I generally always go for the head, as I have a lot of HS dmg bonus. but i suppose both lmg's have the same bonus¨'

[hazy steeple]

@pure monolith Auf diesem Server ist nur Englisch erlaubt, aber du kannst im Forum #lfg-xbox nach Spielern suchen, die Deutsch sprechen.

[rain fox]

@balmy geyser aim for body I find I hit alot more aim head when there close or you get rushed to faster kills

[urban latch]

Since nothing else is changing, your just comparing the two gun, it won't matter as long as your consistent.

[balmy geyser]

But remember, im on mouse and keyboard bro. It's very easy for me to hit consistant HS

[rain fox]

Yes true depend on shot grouping mine is only good grouping with lexington

I think the shooting range should have a target that you can move it towards you after firing to see your shot grouping would be nice

[hazy steeple]

You can change the distance of the DPS target by increments of 5m at a time.

shoot the indicator just above where you stand for it.

[urban latch]

I think for what your asking for, you can just shoot a wall and see the pattern

[rain fox]

Yes but let's say I want to test accuracy at 25 metre can I bring the target to me to see where I was hitting

[halcyon sentinel]

would you do mg5 proto but close and personal or classic m60 proto with frenzy?

[rain fox]

Oh ye true lol

[hazy steeple]

IIRC the one on the far-right has longer ranges available. If all you want is grouping testing.

That or go bully some outcasts in the LZ.

[lone wadi]

whats this for?

[rain fox]

OK but how can I see my shots use a scope or something

[halcyon sentinel]

just escal or retal, with tipping scale

[sharp herald]

Thanks again btw, I ran with bluescreen this morning. Made it to tier 5 (we stopped there) and it felt much better.

Still need to optimize my build since I dropped 15% chc by dropping bulletking but still felt better overall

[merry flax]

Hello !
I need some advise plz
I just got the famous "Lexington" with 3 perfect Assault Dmg/Life Dmg/Uncover target (should i feel lucky?)
What i am supposed to do with it ? Aim for CHC ? And change the talent ? Or maybe just continu to play with the StElmo which already have CHC CHD and bigger mag ?

[lone wadi]

buy the tactical m249 with frenzy from campus and roll chc on it and use that, or m60 with tip

[onyx sage]

change talent. dttooc is the best 3rd attribute on it

[rain fox]

@merry flax if doing high tier content don't use killer as it only activates on kill so it's down alot

[halcyon sentinel]

just a high end one?

[lone wadi]

yes

you can keep it to proto later when you reach expertise 30

[balmy geyser]

Mine beats it by 3mil, in burst. Which is quite marginal.

But this calc isnt taking Echo into consideration

[halcyon sentinel]

it does not beat the high end one? i do have mk46 replica that i usually use

[urban latch]

Whatever echo chance you have, its basically an amp of damage for that amount

[urban latch]

Im just curious, what were the numbers your getting for each?

[balmy geyser]

Yea, i mean it's still quite marginal diff regardless.

14 mil burst on mine, 11 on the other

based on the sheet

[urban latch]

but like crit hit, non crit hit, and rpm

[rain fox]

Measured or strained would be good for high tier escalation for ar weapon talent

[urban latch]

(Im mainly checking the RPM tbh)

[merry flax]

@onyx sage @rain fox Thx for urs answers, would you have any recommanded talents then instead of killer for high end content ?

[onyx sage]

measured or back and forth imo

[subtle bluff]

Did you make your own copy or use what was on the sheet?

[rain fox]

@merry flax ye measured or strained

[balmy geyser]

Same CHC,

RPM - mine 920, other one - 978

Crit hit was like. 146000 something, (orange crit on body)

and the other had like 970k orange crit on body

[smoky latch]

Strained isn't really good on an AR due to its really short full uptime

[balmy geyser]

I just replaced the info here.

[onyx sage]

and optimist is like the default talent to have. it's not top by any means

if you don't wanna think about it too much, ranger also works

[subtle bluff]

You did the Dmg right but are missing the Frenzy RPM amount

[obtuse shoal]

I don’t know why, but reading the Oh Carol talent for the first time really pissed me off

[balmy geyser]

But I have frenzy on both

[rain fox]

Optimist seems bad tho has it only gets stronger more you shoot

[subtle bluff]

You didn't input the correctly RPM while Frenzy is up.

[rain fox]

Pretty much same as strained

[urban latch]

you need to factor in the RPM increase from frenzy. So the MK46 will have 1360 RPM, the MG5 will have 1160

[lone wadi]

oh if you already have one then just use that

[onyx sage]

^^^

[balmy geyser]

Thank you haha, i'd never figure out that one on my own haha

[rain fox]

Probably measured would work best with striker on a ar

[lone wadi]

Better than proto on a bad gun and/or bad talent

[onyx sage]

it's because frenzy buffs scale with the actual mag size on the gun

[rain fox]

But you could use killer and swith from a lmg when the enemy is low hp then proc killer

[drifting fiber]

will gun augment effects affect the other gun?

[smoky latch]

No

[rain fox]

My build is using lexington with killer and mk 46 with frezy

[onyx sage]

killer goes away when you swap weapons, just fyi

you use it if you intend to stay on that weapon for some time

most weapon talents go away when you swap off

[subtle bluff]

I was just about to say that.

[rain fox]

I know when your frenzy ends and the enemies is low I switch to lex activate killer then I have my 70%crit for 10 seconds

[merry flax]

as i understand he just low life target using the lmg to switch and easily proc the killer on the lexington right ?

[onyx sage]

yeah but if you proc killer then swap back to lmg right after to proc frenzy... you lose killer

[rain fox]

Switching weapons is faster than relaoding

@onyx sage yes I know bro

[subtle bluff]

Not a bad idea but then are staying on Lex for the full time afterwards?

[rain fox]

Yes chow

[subtle bluff]

Kay!

If you like the gameplay and it works good!

[rain fox]

Once I'm done with frenzy and need to reload I swith to lex killer then go to work on them and frenzy is ready when I need it again

[urban latch]

Ideally youd be swapping off frenzy right at the end of combat when your mag is empty, and just finishing the last ad or so of the encounter with your secondary. That way you have frenzy for the start of the next encounter. But doing that, you'll basically get nothing from killer, even though its generally really good in other uses

[rain fox]

No

[open hare]

whats a good recali for lexington then

[subtle bluff]

he playing it different I get him.

[rain fox]

When you reload the lmg frenzy comes back

[merry flax]

btw thx for ur advises ! last question plz, what are the pros using the lexington over the StElmo plz ? Except the fact that we can have an other exotic weap ?

[smoky latch]

Burst damage

[onyx sage]

lexington kills faster in shorter time, basically burst damage

[rain fox]

If you get a enemy low with your lmg using frenzy and don't have time to reload swith to lex killer and finish then off use up your 10 seconds of killer and back to the lmg so I'm putting out damage straight after I run out of ammo works well for me

I mean even frenzy on the lex would be better than killer yes or no?

[onyx sage]

not really

[balmy geyser]

If you can keep killer up easily, it's better.

[onyx sage]

even if you can do that, frenzy really works best with big mag weapons

there's a reason why no one really runs huntsman except to meme

[rain fox]

OK I see I've never don't the mate on it

[merry flax]

Any lmg recommendation ?

[rain fox]

But I think it's 15 rof and 15 weapon damage with my lex

[balmy geyser]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12vzrBI53INNVcKx25ILuvwIgJDg2xUvOO_IA0uctlwE/edit?gid=0#gid=0

(just switch to the lmg tab at the bottom)

[soft crane]

GR9, and M249

[onyx sage]

a big thing with frenzy is you want it to "sync", meaning you want it to come back on the next reload after you continuously fire (it syncs with the reload). sounds simple but you have to account for the various ROF boosts and gunner reload speed buff that might change the firing+reload time.

you can't do that with a lot of weapons. gr9 and m249 platform are the best ones currently that do sync and give big buffs due to their big mag sizes

[rain fox]

Exactly this

[balmy geyser]

Thats the downside I have with mg5.. it's out of sync every other mag

[rain fox]

M60 classic with frenzy works perfectly with tipping scales and shreds

[onyx sage]

yeah m60 works on there

[urban latch]

And thats the primary reason why the MK46 is used over sleipnir (MG5 named frenzy) and GR9, even though those on paper are stronger if you assume frenzy is up 100% of the time

[rain fox]

Also tested and puts out the most sustainable damage not burst tho

[balmy geyser]

Would Measured be decent on a high rpm Lmg?

[onyx sage]

yeah

[urban latch]

and I say that as someone why prototyped both before coming to that conclusion independently, then realizing that I should have actually checked with others first lol

[rain fox]

Measured doesn't seem worth it to me personally when you could have frenzy

[balmy geyser]

What about strained then?

[lone wadi]

measured is great for outside escalations

[rain fox]

Killers better if you can get kills

[balmy geyser]

Yea but I run mostly group content myself, so it's not ideal

[fierce ether]

i am running lexi with measured and carataker with perfect killer

and is a beast

[rain fox]

@fierce ether ye nice combo

[halcyon sentinel]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1whUO7xqWgskFS5hFn-zSZNiPyllbNN6NcHAFbTOPWVY/edit?gid=2057960290#gid=2057960290
based on this data, streamline have lil better damage

[rain fox]

The caretaker is slept on

[balmy geyser]

where the frick did I find that chat settings.. ive been looking but I cant find it haha

[halcyon sentinel]

6% more lel

[rain fox]

Only use streamline if you don't use skills

[urban latch]

you can also turn on things like seeing group members loot, turn off global chat, etc. Theres a lot of options

Hit the > symbol in the chat box for the menu

[rain fox]

If you go down and get revived by your hive now you have no tallent

[fierce ether]

just need overdogs.......

[balmy geyser]

I got carbine 7 with flatline and echo but the more I use Lex, the more I dislike Carbine 7 haha

[rain fox]

@balmy geyser my friend ran a carbine 7 on tier 9 escalation a few days ago no problem

[halcyon sentinel]

true, i usually just use strained, but the ammo kinda meh to use in riffle

[balmy geyser]

Yea not saying its bad at all, just preference between the 2

[subtle bluff]

You need DTTooC

[balmy geyser]

say what now?

[rain fox]

@halcyon sentinel its all down to what are you going to be doing some things don't work on certain content

[subtle bluff]

Damage to Target out of Cover

[balmy geyser]

ah gotcha

[balmy geyser]

These are the only "decent" proto weps ive managed to find so far, beggars cant be chosers xD

[rain fox]

All I know is lexington with killer stops biend effective on up to legendary after legendary don't bother

[halcyon sentinel]

what you use on retal for lex?

[subtle bluff]

If they don't have DTTooC a normal version will do better.

[rain fox]

If I can only pick 2 weapons for the rest of my time it's the mk 46 with frenzy and then the harvest blossom ar

@halcyon sentinel killer

[balmy geyser]

my lmg does, thankfully

[subtle bluff]

They come with that normally for LMGs you want CHC

[halcyon sentinel]

even on heroic with team?

[subtle bluff]

Yup he is.

[balmy geyser]

well crap haha. But I got CHD at least.

[rain fox]

Yes easy with a striker build there down in about 5 seconds with a decent setup

[subtle bluff]

That value of CHC and CHD is rather nuts. The more CHC the more CHD you can have.

[rain fox]

@subtle bluff definitely

[subtle bluff]

Without Proto CHC is 9.5 and CHD is 10

[rain fox]

Just take away all your chc and watch your damage its wild

[balmy geyser]

I mean, i'm already on cap CHC, so just stacking CHD at this point

[subtle bluff]

when gear max is 6 CHC and 12 CHD

It's much more CHD you stack. So in sense you could most of the time add another 24 CHD for CHC on LMG

[rain fox]

If you want to see just how powerful chd is put on tipping scales

[balmy geyser]

When i had Turmoil (which im obviously not any longer, lets not get into this again lmao), I was at 59.7%

but now im at a place where I just wanna upgrade my existing stats, ideally CHD

[rain fox]

Show the build

[balmy geyser]

I mean, it's the same as before, but Fox instead of Turmoil

[rain fox]

The build is where its at don't force on numbers to much because stuff like the eqaulizer or overdogs don't show up there

[dawn perch]

What is that mask?

[rain fox]

Ye looks strong like I say me personally I go overdogs and eqaulizer

[balmy geyser]

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