td2-build-advice

[gentle lichen]

I got like a funny number around 187.5% when stacking as much cores as i can

[prime hedge]

And this build you’re suggesting is what kind here? More of a tank build or damage build

[strong cave]

DZ build. What majority of everyone is running in pvp right now

[prime hedge]

Oh gotcha

[gentle lichen]

Jack of all trades......master of all

[strong cave]

Weird to think I used to hate umbra. Now I hate core even more

[gentle lichen]

Well not exactly but pretty good at all

[prime hedge]

Hmm definitely something a guy like me needs. I’m not the experimental type of player so once I find guns I like to use I just run them and build everything else from that. Clearly that’s failed me

[gentle lichen]

It's the fact that you just have to swap umbra to core strength and leave everything as is

[viscid plaza]

Here is an obtainable build for story

Can swap overdogs for Ceska gloves

[strong cave]

For me I run mine with Oblit and skip the core strength chest. I can even run unbreakable

People hate my setup with it

[gentle lichen]

I have a pistol core strength lmao and it's toxic in conflict

[strong cave]

For me mine is just 3 core as yellow, prov chest with Oblit or unbreakable, Picaro's holster

[gentle lichen]

875k per headshot and tier 6 shield with 2.1m armor

[prime hedge]

Is there anything my current build is good for. Totally expecting you guys to say absolutely nothing lol

[strong cave]

Yeah mine is ballpark 1.7m armor but I've got a full chest talent. You don't

[viscid plaza]

Well the chest talent is you get statchecked most 1v1s

[strong cave]

What you posted? Ending up on the floor is all it's good for

[viscid plaza]

Well I disagree, his build can stunlock a room

[prime hedge]

Good to know 😂😂😂

[strong cave]

In PvE he'd be better off going foam eclipse

[prime hedge]

So that’s the last I’ll be using this

[strong cave]

Status would spread too

[viscid plaza]

Well Foam eclipse in legendary probably, burn eclipse is just fine for heroic and under

[strong cave]

Yeah that would do just fine too

[prime hedge]

I’m going to use this and the other build you guys sent for a solo and dz build

Appreciate you guys dam you guys know a lot hahaha

[viscid plaza]

Yeah thats ideal, you need armor in PvP

Good luck bro

[strong cave]

Yeah use striker PvE, in pvp go with what NB showed. If you need more help this server is always active

[prime hedge]

Amazing stuff thank you all

[viscid plaza]

I still think my Core Strength setup would beat the Umbra setup

[strong cave]

If you plan to just do landmark farming in dz, I would recommend full armor strikers with memento backpack

[strong cave]

It usually does in most cases. Umbra plays hard in burst DPS pixel peek. Core Strength is mainly just stacking as much as you can to be tanky and deal damage and have skills. You'll out survive umbra alone sadly. If you're late to face trade, umbra will win

[subtle minnow]

Anyone using cluster + stinger build? I don't know if 3.7m cluster dmg & 1.5m stinger dmg is enough. Using 4pc Hard Wired (with backpack & body armor talent) + 1pc WW + 1pc China Light

[strong cave]

That's what I dislike hard about core strength. You get to build as wide as you want in pvp which is effortless now

[viscid plaza]

Well if you're cringe and use stinger (most people are) and try to facetank each other, Core has to win, even at full umbra stack

[strong cave]

Yeah for me I'm not playing like a rank scumbag. I'm playing differently. I'm using foam/smart cover

Tier 6 foam is no joke

[gentle lichen]

I'm using mortar pistol!

[strong cave]

Anyone who cries about foam needs to learn what "Hazpro" is

[strong cave]

You're an ass 😂

[viscid plaza]

Got two shotted by a core strength regulus the other day, but I could never imagine having a mortar on top of it

[strong cave]

It's all fun and games until measured assembly comes out tho

Mortar useless when someone throws that on

[gentle lichen]

Wait for it....
Jammer 👻

[strong cave]

Can't. Tech measured

Faraday cage my guy

[gentle lichen]

It doesn't cancel the damage tho right?

[strong cave]

From the EMP? It makes it fully immune

You have to knock out both the hive and the smart cover and when both are in prox, both cannot be EMP'd

[gentle lichen]

Well no one in ps has the brains to run so i'm all good 😌

[strong cave]

I specifically play tech for that reason. But yk I'm a PC player

[strong cave]

Yah trust me I would go back to console to pvp... If I wasn't still SHD 250 ish... On Xbox....

[hybrid arrow]

So I've noticed alot of people with their striker/tipping scales sets, running equalizer (obviously) but instead of overdogs people are opting towards salvo..at least for escalations..is that salvo really better since overdogs can be dead if there's even one red in the room?

[haughty harness]

Not red

[strong cave]

Overdogs doesn't go by veterancy

[viscid plaza]

PS teammates don't swap builds, if they're losing they leave early

[gentle lichen]

They don't even change doors

[strong cave]

PC players just deal with cheaters for the last 8 years

[gentle lichen]

Keep engaging at the same door the enemy camps and complains about spawn camping

[haughty harness]

Overdogs in high difficulty is kinda meh , you gotta take down medics tanks and drone operators quick yet nobody wants to because overdogs

[strong cave]

I'll deal with cronus/lagswitch any day. Just get me away from these damn aimbotters

[gentle lichen]

It's over now lagswitch evolved so much worse than it was

[viscid plaza]

Can work if two people run Overdogs, and one person is running Rav

[strong cave]

They stand no chance when crossplay goes live and xxxbigdpsxxx with aimbot for the last 8 years comes and absolutely tears the console players a new one

"but my lagswitch nemesis can't compete with PC cheats"

Yes Johnny, that's the point

[viscid plaza]

They'll add crossplay just in time for Survival so I can't enjoy it

[strong cave]

Good news is we have an anti cheat splash screen. It used to not exist bc we didn't have anti cheat for a while

So they're definitely doing something

[hybrid arrow]

I ended up getting a first bloom with damage to armor and echo on a cache..would I prolly wanna run hollow man and salvo? Or even contactors

[gentle lichen]

Ehh if it isn't dtoc it's probably trashable

[viscid plaza]

If you aren't exp 30 I would run that bad boy, run it with a Ceska and Hollow man and you can do T5 runs pretty well.

If you are expertise 30 discard everything I said

[carmine yarrow]

Is the dmg indicator in this game absolutele? For some reason, my other build deals 1.7m dmg crit to enemies yet it takes forever to kill enemies. But I switched to my other build with less dmg and shred enemies like a buzzsaw. So confusing.

[onyx sage]

this infographic shows how overdogs works: #td2-build-advice message

but as said already it doesn't go by veterancy/color, it only cares about archetype

[hybrid arrow]

So the tier 2 enemies are what u wanna kill first but that doesn't vibe the overdogs is the problem in harder content then?

[onyx sage]

overdogs is still going to be active a lot more than normal, even half uptime it's still a 15% amp overall

tier 3 enemies are what you wanna kill first, then tier 2, then tier 1, but obviously you can't always follow this order because situations change which enemies you have to kill first

think about what kinds of enemies are in tier 3, it's a lot bigger than you think

[urban latch]

They are literally more valuable in higher difficulty content like escalation where those low tier enemies are actually spongy. I have no idea where this concept of "they fall off in higher difficulty" comes from, it's completely backwards

[feral owl]

Is the minigun still a good signature weapon?

[cinder girder]

Can someone help me out here? I didn't know what this was and have no idea which are the best to choose from

[soft crane]

Btw, you dont create a build around signature weapon or the specialization. Specialization is always a part of the build. Though theres a gearset that focuses on signature weapon called Tip of the Spear.

[whole willow]

Why is my strikers build is not doable for heroic summit?

[soft crane]

What makes you say that?

[onyx sage]

yeah gonna need some clarification

[soft crane]

Last time I remember, you already got the right attributes and all. They just not maximized which is good enough already for an SHD player below 1000.

[whole willow]

keep dying , cant deal enough while meeting rogue

[whole willow]

yeah but i still struggle

maybe its a skill issue

[pastel jetty]

Hi guys !
Is there something i miss to upgrade as prototype my gear ?
Its seems i have all requirements but can't clic the upgrade button

[frosty wolf]

It's currently equipt, you can't proto it while you wear it

[pastel jetty]

omg ty !
so simple to solve ^^

[subtle bluff]

Because you can't upgrade proto gear....

.... 😮‍💨 Someone did it proto blue strikers....

And it's not even CHC or CHD...

[fringe dune]

how many exotic component is needed each gear level 30 expertise?

[pastel jetty]

I play it with backfire, its the perfect balance between damages/armor
Good survavibility and correct damages

[urban latch]

45

[craggy zodiac]

Hello! I've been playing the game while being story-driven and I wanted to start creating my own build, as of now I have no idea what I built apart from maybe focusing on having critical hits?
Wanted to ask where I could start on learning how to make a proper build, I don't really like looking at other's and copying them without any thoughts :)

[subtle bluff]

Keep playing and trying everything till you get to lvl 40.
Nothing matters till you get there.

Once you get to 40 there's a starter guide in the pinned messages.

[craggy zodiac]

May I ask why?

[subtle bluff]

None of the gear or weapon you get are good nor scale well to 40.

It's a whole different game once you hit 40

[craggy zodiac]

Ohh alrighty

[soft crane]

You're close to level 40 so give these guides a read.

• Level 40 Starter Guide

• yee yee ahh strikers

[ornate drift]

I've basically been running Heartbreaker since forever - does my build suck? I've returned to the game after a while out and it doesn't seem particularly great for things like Escalation. (Pakhan is just being run to build proficiency).

[soft crane]

Without a doubt, yes.

[signal pond]

Any tips on how to bump up striker LMG damage? I’m hitting 8m DPS as seen in the vid but wondering if there’s ways I can bump it up, running 3pc strikers, contractors and salvo with the ninja backpack

[patent fossil]

The pinned spreadsheet has a heartbreaker guide among others, but in escalation there's no point in investing into toughness, you have to go all in on damage (or play healer) so strikers is the usual choice

[urban latch]

your getting next to nothing from ninja

[patent fossil]

See the striker guide in the pinned spreadsheet. Ninjabag almost always nerfs your damage

[unborn cove]

The AI is designed in a way where it truly will not matter how much you can tank because on high tier escalation you need to kill them before they can peak you or its basically over

Striker ftw

[ornate drift]

I've been running heartbreaker, but today it is my heart that has been broken. Thanks folks, I will look at pulling together a Striker build...

[unborn cove]

Or you could just parry

[rain badger]

Yall am I just low shd, I'm running striker with foxes prayer and overdogs and my dps is around 8-10M is there anyway to bump it up or am i already at the tip

[unborn cove]

That’s good sir

[soft crane]

@ornate drift yee yee ahh strikers

[brittle drift]

I tried striker with mk46 frenzy today. Deals nice damage but you need to get used to reloading from empty. Would you rather use: 4pc striker (BP&chest) plus coyote and contractor gloves. Or 4pc striker BP&chest with overdogs and salvo?

[hallow arch]

Opinions on the Core Strength gearset?

I'm thinking about make a buld for it lol

[lone glacier]

only decent for PvP

[hallow arch]

damn, not even for PvE?

[soft crane]

Even worse in PvE

[hallow arch]

Damn they just keep missing with the gearsets huh

And it's always the interesting ones too smh

[soft crane]

The set that came before Core Strength is Tipping Scales though.

Its a good set but people joke about it being another stack building set.

Billions must build stacks.

[hallow arch]

The stacks must grow...

[soft crane]

Jokes on you, I got The Stackless Strikers build.

[silver coral]

is plague (pestilence) affected by health damage

[soft crane]

No, its affected by LMG damage. Hence why people use Lengmo.

Good luck making that pain in the ass to build, build.

[silver coral]

oh ic ic

[whole willow]

yeeyee strikers build

[soft crane]

You got that right.

[fierce ether]

Foxes prayer is rifle damage?

[soft crane]

The brandset gives Rifle Damage yes but its a named kneepads that gives 8% Dtooc.

The brandset name is Overlord Armaments.

[rain badger]

The build making is giving me an annuersym, the mods give so much dmg and the distance drop off in dps is crazy at 20m its 5m dps

[soft crane]

You use SMG?

[rain badger]

Lmg bluescreen

[soft crane]

You testing your DPS in shooting range?

[rain badger]

Yeah

[soft crane]

According to peeps here its inaccurate af so go try somewhere else.

[rain badger]

Wait u can check outside of range?

[soft crane]

No I mean, just go outside and try it out on heroic difficulty mission or something.

Though you cant really tell the range.

[rain badger]

Got it ill go solo escalation and check it out but then i cant tell if the dps is higher or lower tho so rip

[soft crane]

Oh well, gotta hang my laundry while theres no one here.

[urban latch]

Use the range to get the damage numbers you hit, but the dps calc is useless. Take those numbers from the range and plug them into the dps calc thats pinned in this channel

[rain badger]

Oooo

[river arrow]

What is the best recombinant for striker? I can get my offense stacks to 70 but the side note is blank instead of having weapon handling, its just blank.

But I do know I can get my weapon handling to the 67.5 cap

[lone glacier]

Convert 1 Off, Compress Off, Nullify

[river arrow]

So headshot damage

Now headshot more than my chd. This is good for my build?

58% chc 180.5 chd with 205% hsd

[patent fossil]

it's good if you hit a decent number of headshots

[short verge]

extra headshot damage basically for free, now you gotta actually aim for the headshot hitboxes

[terse horizon]

I swear Im going crazy, did sledgehammer not use to say increased damage from all sources?

[river arrow]

Them dang npc's always hiding trying to make sure its a good fit

If I get out of cover can I put a heroic yellow name down in a a clip

Thanks for all the support everyone

[grim bluff]

The text is wrong, it does affect all damage sources

[gentle lichen]

the farm is complete...

[soft crane]

Superior rarity ahh build. If you dont know, High-End is better hhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[terse horizon]

ah makes sense, good job ubi.... thanks for the reply

[gentle lichen]

but it is...superior than a high end...

[fierce ether]

Guys the dif using equalizer or ceska chest with normal obliterate talent is minimal, right?

[soft crane]

ba dum tss

[proper kindle]

i wanna use the Ravenous rifle.
what build do you guys recomend to be best?

[soft crane]

only 4% difference yeah but a piece of Unit Alloy brand gives fire rate.

[vernal wing]

The fire rate + perfect obliterate was like 2% better overall

[exotic talon]

anyone got a pve bighorn build

[exotic talon]

is that salvo and equalizer

[fierce ether]

Tyty

[exotic talon]

also are the attributes crit or hsd

[soft crane]

yes and The Gift

[soft crane]

CHC and CHD

[exotic talon]

would having hsd handling on the gift be suboptimal
i really dont want to grind a second one lol

[soft crane]

Im not using The Gift either to be honest

[exotic talon]

regular backpack then?

[soft crane]

yeh

[soft crane]

That build should work with any AR btw. Not just Bighorn.

[rain badger]

The build numbers, ima go test it out in a bit

[proper kindle]

i didn't have the pieces u recommended so i put this together while i go after those

[soft crane]

Sure

[vernal wing]

I would keep the backpack and then swap the knees to like foxes prayer or something

[exotic talon]

nah i dont think fox's prayer works that well
more dtoc is obviously great on bighorn but its also +15% rifle damage instead of crit chance

[vernal wing]

Most people build Headshot damage on Bighorn to take advantage of that fat multiplier.

If you build Crit you usually just stick to striker.

[exotic talon]

ok do you have a hsd build then

[vernal wing]

This is for solo content
Heartbreaker
Intimidate Chest
Memento
Crusader shield
Bighorn
4 Blue cores & 2 Red
All substats headshot damage and then armor regen secondaries
Can throw in either more HSD or PFE mods

Or you can just use your current build and roll everything to HSD damage.

[cerulean mica]

Is that THE JohnLexington

[exotic talon]

neither of these seem like good options

[vernal wing]

🫡

[exotic talon]

actually memento seems like it would make blue core heartbreaker work pretty well

what brand should the chest be

also why intimidate when its gimmick is scoping in

[vernal wing]

Because you can stack the passive and HB without adsing on crusaders shield.

You lose fire rate when you ads, so you just use it situationally at max stacks, and continuously build until then.

[vernal wing]

Habsburg rolls blue easily and has 13% HSD. That’s my preference.

You could run Gila for the extra armor, but it’s a flex slot. Perfect intimidate not really worth running, but I guess you could if you really wanted to.

[exotic talon]

wouldnt the blue cores be heartbreaker though

[vernal wing]

If you want to hunt the unicorns you can make any of them red.

But you could just run a providence chest with Intimidate, I guess

[exotic talon]

yeah i dont think habsburg is necessary

[vernal wing]

Nah I guess not, providence has the same bonus

[exotic talon]

oh memento is meant to have a hsd mod too

[ocean wyvern]

How does bighorn + heartbreaker work for a HSD build? stack with AR mode then rifle mode when stacked?

[exotic talon]

and remember to pop pulse

[ocean wyvern]

Interesting, it's not a build I'd run myself just because I'm not big on HB

but the concept is pretty nifty

[broken edge]

it's a very in your face PVP build i think

not sure if many people use it in PVE

the bighorn talent lets you stack a lot of damage via headshots so you can just do insane burst damage if you somehow hit a lot of headshots

[ocean wyvern]

I saw the synergy between HB and Bighorn, it was moreso trying to envision it in play

[shy willow]

HB in PvP is pretty good but it gets hard countered by pulse res

In any case I wouldn't rely on headshots on HB, significantly more consistent with the pulse laser

[ocean wyvern]

Honestly, I avoid PvP like a plague

[ocean wyvern]

Tbf, can't really put the pulse laser on a bighorn

[abstract bridge]

One day of farming and this. 58/129.6 crit stats. How good it is?

[shy willow]

Which is why nobody uses guns that won't take said laser on HB😭

[tulip charm]

cant pulse skills/robots aswell

also free up a skill slot

[ocean wyvern]

Seems pretty solid tbh, nothing I'd really change

[abstract bridge]

Only good change I see is more Echo augs. But I have no more cores to roll.

[ocean wyvern]

Amalgam isn't a bad 2nd option either just for free status effects to proc OD

[shy willow]

You can make a case for a number of augments on OD

My preference is amalgam

[short verge]

thrashes anything with a headshot hitbox, all you gotta do is either git gud with aiming

use an lmg to deal with anything that refuses to have a headshot hitbox

[ocean wyvern]

I don't doubt that, as I said earlier, I was more just struggling to envision it in practice

[short verge]

so just use it in practice, summit's the place to start when i wanna do seomthing new

[short verge]

please excuse my poor gameplay, this is like "low risk" practice but here's like how the vibe of Heartbreaker and Bighorn is all about

[ocean wyvern]

So it's much less tedious than I expected or imagined to utilize all that HSD

The gameplay vid actually helped a ton

[sonic lichen]

I think ive peaked. I can retire now.

[gaunt chasm]

must be nice 😭

[junior lagoon]

do a solo heroic retal and i am game

[weak quail]

Still no prototype “Cooler”

[short verge]

been there, done that dozens of times already

get nightwatcher or chillout, put pfe mods, git gud at positioning, all there is

[junior lagoon]

sure it is

[elder verge]

Hey I have a question about "Turmoil" if for instance i have "Ridgeway" equiped, would it proc bleed on the people being hit?

[smoky latch]

What are the rolls?

[solar sable]

no

[ocean wyvern]

turmoil is weapon damage specifically

[elder verge]

hrnm darn okay thanks for the answer though

[sonic lichen]

not peak, so i have no idea how to maximize the rolls, but ill find it

[smoky latch]

You can't optimize anything. I got one too and am just curious what other peoples' proto drop has as second attribute

[boreal widget]

can someone post OD build for escals?
maybe i can use them?

[short verge]

solo vid up for you soon, here's like the ending bit where the kitsunebi spawns after all thats done

[smoky latch]

OD might be worth in the lower tiers, not for higher tiers.

Here are a few versions:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10Zu9fKBuzxZ_EDlx_hkm2HN_f_KZltlZu7I8LRyceVE/edit?usp=drivesdk

[boreal widget]

😭 ah

[fierce ether]

If u cant recalibrate or optimize ur proto gear just need to grind perfect rolls all the time not?

[lament reef]

OD is kind of like EP, where you have a hard limit on the build working

if you can’t one mag kill, it all falls apart

[smoky latch]

Yes, you effectively have to refarm everything.

But it's not a gear reset, nooo

[onyx sage]

butbits

[fierce ether]

Hahahahaa after grind all the blueprints spamming retaliation and grind lvl 30 expertise just going to die

[smoky latch]

Apparently they're looking into recalibration but nobody knows how that'll look like

[fierce ether]

🙁

[smoky latch]

Gotta love auto correct not helping when needed but jamming your text whenever not needed

[onyx sage]

auto-correct does not correct text make

[elder verge]

Got a question again, is skill tier still meh on proto gear? or did a fix for that go out already?

[smoky latch]

You get 1.5 skill tiers now - could be okay

[elder verge]

K thats what I thought it was changed to wasn't sure

Ugh trying to think what a good proto augment would be for a foundry build and my brain is so indecisive..

[shy willow]

Quantum

[river grove]

25 usd

[dense jackal]

For people asking for a DPS build on Tier 8+ Escalation, which build qualifies for this?

[smoky latch]

Striker's

[onyx sage]

and striker

[dense jackal]

Just the usual striker build? Yeah, no worries!

[gaunt chasm]

[onyx sage]

frenzy mk46/m249 is also used a lot

[gaunt chasm]

mk46

[smoky latch]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16HdKj8x-LlXJCcVPAWNZWIb0SXcQOmAfAh1cHYYsxwI/edit?usp=drivesdk

Scroll all the way down. There are variants of it.

• instead of Overdogs use 1pc Česká
• Česká Vigilance backpack

[neon jackal]

Hey guys question what are the best mods to put on the electric trap ?

[lament reef]

Technically an unusual striker build: late tier escalation enemies are so tanky that the chestpiece is actually worth over something else

[subtle bluff]

We updated the striker guide with an escalation section.

[urban latch]

why?

[smoky latch]

Why what?

[subtle bluff]

Oh... That section got updated....

[smoky latch]

@patent fossil

[solar sable]

Chow, we should add all the setups to different Headers so we can link directly to the build screenshot/template

that's also a reason why I put Headers in the Starters Guide lol

[pallid harness]

So is contractor's glove and fox's prayer the best combo for both Strikers and Tipping Scales if you don't have an all red hollowman?

[smoky latch]

I meant for you to click on the linked message I posted for you in the other channel lol

1pc Ceska and Contractor's OR Fox's I'd suggest

[pallid harness]

Thanks. I'll proto what I have and see which one ends up with echo if any. 😆

[urban latch]

instead of Overdogs use 1pc Česká
Česká Vigilance backpack

[hazy lance]

Hey what would yall say is the best armor setup for the pestilence

[normal shadow]

How do we get a Hollow Man that has crit rolls? Doesn't it come with Damage to Armor?

Or is it DtA, crit damage and weapon damage?

[pallid harness]

You need one with CHC or CHD to reroll the core to red.

[normal shadow]

That's what I've understood. You can not get both crits attributed to Hollow Man IIRC.

[pallid harness]

No, but you can add a red mod so it has both modded.

[normal shadow]

Crit chance and crit damage? I'm under the assumption Hollow Man comes with blue core, not red core?

[urban latch]

you need it to drop with crit already on it, then you can recalibrate the blue core off, leaving the full red item to prototype

[normal shadow]

That has been my assumption, yes.

[alpine wigeon]

What's the standard go-to Refactor build?

[lunar imp]

is it worth investing into accuracy and optimal range for the chameleon like the visionario and spot on?

[grizzled garnet]

this

[hazy lance]

Hey is it ok if someone could help me with a pestilence build?

[grizzled garnet]

that

[viscid plaza]

Petrov Obliterate can be the chest replacement if you don't enjoy GC

[grizzled garnet]

equalizer w/ p obliterate

[smoky latch]

Looks valid to me and I trust the source

[urban latch]

vigi and striker backpack are near equal when vigi is up, way down when its down. Overdogs is literally at its strongest in escalation, but if you really wanted to you could still run ceska vigi and overdogs

but theres a good reason to just run striker backpack and overdogs

[smoky latch]

True that, just gave options to the dude earlier. Personally I don't run Vigi

[urban latch]

you specifically suggested not overdogs

and I dont get the reasoning why I keep seeing that from people lol

[smoky latch]

I linked the guide and said to scroll down where a screenshot of the Overdogs version is. Then I added the alternatives

Nothing wrong with that IMO

[urban latch]

yeah I wrote the guide lol

[vernal wing]

People are tired of “Overdogs is the answer to everything”

Ubisoft needs to do something about it. But instead we get pre-nerfed new sets and exotics

[urban latch]

Thats not really relavant when someone is just asking for advice on escalation builds

[hybrid leaf]

Dawg... As someone who's never played anything other than striker.... Tipping scales tinkerer is sexxyyyy

[vernal wing]

It’s just the reasoning. Neither of us have to agree with it.

[hybrid leaf]

1.6m crits with 60% chc oooh baby

and very high RoF (measured + frenzy)

[urban latch]

I dont think thats the reasoning 1 person is advising someone else to not use something

[vernal wing]

Then you tell me what it is 😂

[urban latch]

thats why im asking lol

[smoky latch]

I don't get the fuss. Is it about me not DIRECTLY mentioning Overdogs or what? lol

[onyx sage]

i think what he meant is people get tired of being recommended it, same reason why they dislike hearing striker, etc. over and over, the same stupid one. they don't get how the content doesn't care about what their preference is

[urban latch]

im asking about the direct mention to not use it

[smoky latch]

Again, I linked the entire Striker's guide because it yields a lot of useful info for players. What they do with that guide is not up to me.
On top I gave a couple alternatives as recommendation - again, what people do with it is not up to me.

[onyx sage]

i might be reading into it too much, but i think he meant them as variants (in the previous sentence)

[smoky latch]

Yes, variants, alternatives, whatever

[vernal wing]

We’re all on the same page

[smoky latch]

I think so

[slate basin]

The main arguments for not running Overdogs I can see being valid are:
Faster Hotswap for Birdies when things goes out of control
And more consistency due to positioning not allowing you to benefit from Overdogs ie. Engineer places turret out of good lines of sight/sniper covering while Tank proceeds to bulldose rest of the team.

[urban latch]

☝️

[smoky latch]

OK, my bad with the wording

[urban latch]

Im asking for the reasoning of this, and its not just you, Im seeing others say the same thing

Im not trying to bully you here for anything, legit asking for the thinking of it

[smoky latch]

Next time pls point me directly to sth I worded badly 🫶

Haven't noticed that slip-up

[onyx sage]

for what it's worth, i also disagree with Toastey on this, i would agree in legendary where the uptime is significantly less, but escalation is where it really shines

[subtle bluff]

TBH... You new players are soo spoiled but all these good pieces of gear, weapons, exp and not proto.

We had to do soo much more with soo much less. Before gameplay and knowledge was needed more than the build. Now the build can help get over some of that wall.

IMO, in solo or with friends do w/e you'd like but it comes to end-game content where players are trying to clear and do it cleanly bring a build that's not the meta so you can preform and help the team is just like saying you're here to troll.

I was a support main in this game but with so many players not wanting to learn or go with the meta (most effective tactics available) stuff made me have to main DPS and carry where I'd like to just teach players how to do it all.

[urban latch]

The birdie swap I think is the most legit reason, but I really dont think many people are doing that hotswap often enough to not run overdogs.

The second point I just disagree with. If overdogs was ever good in general use, its even better in escalation where all those low tier targets are far tougher to take down

[hybrid leaf]

@subtle bluff I did the thing. Running TS now

[onyx sage]

the same chow that got mismentioned every single time 🤣

i laugh at myself too cuz i do that

[subtle bluff]

BUt seee ImMrChow

[copper kayak]

Wtf lol
I'm what did I do lol

[hybrid leaf]

hahahahaha sorry >.<

[subtle bluff]

there @ the wrong one of us

[urban latch]

rofl really, how dare you

[copper kayak]

Na all good

[onyx sage]

I'm really sorry, this guy right here shares your name and is a nuisance to your peace

[vernal wing]

I have overall 10,000 across all the MMOs and Multiplayer games I play. I’ve seen some so many builds, and so much creativity from dev teams around the world.

Division 2 has so much potential for build diversity between the skills and gear sets already in the game. They’ve done so much “balancing” because they clearly don’t like some of these being strong enough to tackle the new content.

This has nothing to do with me complaining about difficulty or grind, this game is easy, I had all my builds and exotics within 1 week of starting.

This complaint is about game design and the devs being bold enough to try something risky other than “shooting build”.

[delicate hill]

couple questions.. sorry to butt in here.. can BTSU gloves drop with skill damage? id assume so because its still yellow attribute.. and also recommended OD build for a casual?

[hybrid leaf]

Guys how can I get a few more maxed out CHC/CHD gear mods. I've only got 1x 12% CHD lol

[onyx sage]

no, they always have skill haste and repair skills

[delicate hill]

i suspected since thats kinda the role they are intended for

[slate basin]

I had a really rough Trade center section earlier today where I didn't benefit from Overdogs for most of it due to Engineer placing turret far back where noone of our team could get good lines at making Overdogs effectively just brandless high-end and have been in similar situations where Overdogs isn't helping with the important Targets you have to kill before they reach you.
This leads to looking at gear like Fox's Prayer/Hollow Man that helps with those critical targets to kill always, lowering max damage potential for increased Priority target consistency.

[subtle bluff]

There's a reason some of us don't like this newest TU. I don't disagree with you. Before this patch it was pretty good with being semi diverse, but with +T8 escalation specifically it's forcing a DPS check again.... (I very much dislike it and being fixed to a meta)
I'd rather they for one TU they rebalance or reamp all the unused/unusable gear/weapon/gearset TBH now it's all kind in the wind with protos

To your last thing Div2 setting is a post-Apocalypse postmodern, and I think it sits and a unique position being something of more of shooter because of its setting. But also why it's has a following.

[viscid plaza]

Is this still pretty much the best Eclipse Burn for Heroic and such? Are there tweaks to it now?

[vernal wing]

It’s interesting too, because I know that they aren’t the only dev team with this problem in the industry.

This is an issue across almost all multiplayer games and a crazy balance problem lately.

Devs not wanting to put actual challenging mechanics or content, just dumping bullet sponge enemies and putting a timer on the encounter.

Devs leaving a small pool of viable weapons/gear/classes and being scared to make or buff anything creative.

Devs forcing players into hundreds of hours of grinding for “meta” to farm engagement and player retention.

[halcyon sentinel]

salvo or this proto?

[viscid plaza]

Thats a pretty good roll, use it until you get a superior Salvo proto or you proto your own

[teal ibex]

so smoll qeustion.
i have negative damage.
and theres a plus damage.

so whats actually more?

[subtle bluff]

Funny enough I haven't been doing a lot of escalation till the last week I did some LFG matches with only a Proto Hollowman and Lex. Did a few T5 last night with no support with seasonal modifiers it's really easy to stay up with the OC active modifiers. I know there a trick to keeping the Hive back up at the right timing of OC but I was able to OC after it was on CD and still be fine.

Funny enough I was the only one on overdogs and I did the most dmg/kills still with the other 3 still falling behind.
I'll do some math and show the numbers so show what's going on maybe that'll help.

[halcyon sentinel]

negative one, it goes positive then negative then positive, i'll look at the kill too

[teal ibex]

so whats the cap till it goes from positive to negative?

[halcyon sentinel]

2.4 bil something 2^32 i think

i just ask this like yesterday too lol

[teal ibex]

lols xD

[urban latch]

the highest a number can be is 2.14billion. The game was originally never designed to have numbers this high back when the max level was 30. So if you hit that number it rolls over into the negatives, and can even go back positive, and if you have even more damage can roll over multiple times

so with that context your screenshot has 2billion on the left and 2.8 billion on the right

[subtle bluff]

The issue here is a very small Dev team leftover and none were from the OG so they're always working backwards.
I mean they have been kind of with the master and other things. Taking this current TU out of it all they've been doing a lot better in the past year than the previous 2 years (I've only played for 3 years.)
Reasons why iKia left and the reason I barely get on these days.

[slate basin]

I'm definitely not the most experienced player and started ~month ago but I know enough that when a tanks runs over our team overdogs generally won't do anything to help that potential fail condition so I can see reasoning to look for alternatives that would help in that kind of situation.

[subtle bluff]

Crossbolt and Rav can help a ton there.

[urban latch]

also why hollowman is popular

[viscid plaza]

One Scorpio player can help as well

[subtle bluff]

My advice with Overdogs people should run it but not everyone needs or should. It's tactically smart still to kill off all of the small guys.

[subtle bluff]

Eh.. Support player does support things you mean.

The 2 Best answer is what I mentioned above.

[viscid plaza]

A DPS can run a Scorpio as well, 4 full reds can still stunlock a chunga

[subtle bluff]

To a degree but high enough tier they get immune.

Again 2 best answer is Crossbolt and Rav.

[slate basin]

I agree with this sentiment as Overdogs are really strong, but conditional.

[subtle bluff]

If it were leggo I can agree more but heroics scaling it's not that bad.

[viscid plaza]

Well since you guys are here

Are there tweaks to the best burn setup?

[subtle bluff]

More or less. Weapons are always up for debate but you want a DTA weapon in hand most of the time.

2x Proto pieces will change out Vile for Overdogs funny enough.

[viscid plaza]

That actually sounds exciting, but for heroic

[subtle bluff]

It's more doable for heroics.

Oh that's my SS.. LOL I haven't touch that guide for a bit.

[viscid plaza]

It makes Retals a bit easier to run, sometimes I'll put on a scorpio or a vindictive lexington and just be team support

lol got it from the big spreadsheet

[subtle bluff]

EP support one way or another is always very powerful

Yea I guessed as much

[fair dragon]

Sir why is it Pyromaniac and not Scorpio

[subtle bluff]

Sir.. I know..

[fair dragon]

Is it designed to be a kill stealer or purely providing CC

[subtle bluff]

I'm only a Chow

[urban latch]

your not even THE chow

[subtle bluff]

get out of here

[vernal wing]

😭

[fair dragon]

He's my chow... chowmein

[subtle bluff]

I need soem chow fun in my life atm

[fair dragon]

Nice

[viscid plaza]

Also, do pistol augments stack while unequipped?

[subtle bluff]

no weapons do.

Weapon only work when in hand. Unless the talents says otherwise.

[fair dragon]

HA, gaaaaa-

[hexed steppe]

Swap to tech class, add overdogs, use capacitor instead of pyro

Overdogs outdamage vile

[grizzled loom]

Birdies or BTSU for healing build

[hexed steppe]

Btsu

For fi healer

[viscid plaza]

Birdies is a swap item when you're in a pinch, for the most part.

[hybrid leaf]

Do people run specific builds for Countdown?

[subtle bluff]

There's a few support stuff

[hybrid leaf]

I might focus on it for a while to bang out my expertise.... I've only got high-DPS escalation builds tho lol

[subtle bluff]

That works you don't need frenzy and strike chest that's it.

Proto I'm pretty sure doesn't work in CD anyways

[stone python]

can i reroll this named lmg att?

Can't find the blue print

[smoky latch]

Yeah, just like a HE item

[subtle bluff]

what do you mean?

[soft crane]

Reroll? Thats not an exotic weapon. You can only recalibrate its attribute.

[stone python]

Yeah sorry lol

[soft crane]

Talent is already fixed so attributes only.

[stone python]

thank you

[stark siren]

is there any build for solo legendary and master diff ?

[subtle bluff]

Striker Memento

But really it's not just about the build for these end game content, it's a mix balance of; a build, gameplay and knowledge.

[teal ibex]

i got that much skill damage. there be a follow up qeustion to this one tho.
which skill damage exactly?

[soft crane]

[solar sable]

in the mission were there any enemy heal crates? the ones that assault guys drop on the ground?

[teal ibex]

no it were true sons i believe? HQ mission escalation t5

[solar sable]

ah so turrets and drones I believe

[teal ibex]

hmmm so if others use a drone. i get the damage? makes no sense 🤣

[solar sable]

when you kill the guys with the 🔧 icon, their turrets go haywire and deal dmg to other enemies

[teal ibex]

i didnt shoot any turrets far im aware tho

[solar sable]

idk if that counts

[teal ibex]

the heavy lmg guys grenade pack?

[solar sable]

I didn't... oh well

[solar sable]

those are weakpoints

[alpine wigeon]

What weapon mods should I put on my Harmony if I'm running Skill Haste instead of CHC/CHD?

[teal ibex]

figured much. because if i do this much skill damage based on "something" cant u basically use the augments on proto gear to use it

or.. any skill based mod/item/set🤔

[subtle bluff]

was that escalation?

[subtle bluff]

What are you using the weapon for?

[teal ibex]

yes

[alpine wigeon]

Refactor Turret Drone Build as a secondary. I watched iKia's video on it but he didn't show what mods.

[subtle bluff]

Again.... What's the point of using the weapon?

[alpine wigeon]

So when I run out of ammo with the Capacitor I have a good secondary

I run out of ammo sometimes when running Legendary

[subtle bluff]

So what do you need it to do for you?

You mod it towards that.

[subtle bluff]

Also.. Why do you mention Skill Haste here?

[short verge]

you'd probably go for one of the weapon handling/accuracy/stability mods if you're goal is to just hit enemies while your skills deal damage

one of my retired skill Striker loadouts used crit chance mods on its harmony

[normal shadow]

Finally: The Setup that can get optimized and perfected.

[short verge]

my support healer unicorn reveals itself again in the hands of another agent

[blissful remnant]

Any advice on a tipping scales build?

[summer flax]

is this AR worth it?

[silent storm]

No it's a pretty bad gun, get it to proficient then stash or shard it

[summer flax]

noted thanks

[silent storm]

This is how I mod mine, hitting things is more important than DMG on it if backup to Capacitor.

[subtle bluff]

There's a guide if you follow the pinned messages

[alpine wigeon]

Which LMG has the highest DPS with Tipping Scales?

[silent storm]

Frenzy M60 is fun

[smoky latch]

M60 too slow, you constantly have to have it on empty which can be annoying

GR9 Frenzy is a beast and I like it on TS

[normal shadow]

Is there an alternative for BTSU gloves in FI?

[smoky latch]

There is not for what it does

[short verge]

Learning the ways of the shotgun headhunter. I'm not quite sure what I could be using for the backpack talent, though.

[normal shadow]

But it at least doubles the hotswapping time for backpacks.

[short verge]

I don't think there is? I don't make much use of the talent but it's very noticeable when it comes into play. Really, I'm using it just for the Hive skill haste.

[soft crane]

Good enough?

Oh crap I forrgot to change the specialization lmao

[normal shadow]

Do you feel it's worth the time it takes to hotswap to Birdie's?

[short verge]

more

[short verge]

i dont have that exotic so i cant answer that

i do know that 3/4 agents are running reviver hive anyway, all that matters to me is if i can heal them right back up when my teammates do inevitably revive themselves

[gentle lichen]

if they're killed sure but if down not really worth

[faint badge]

hotswap w birdie if needed

[normal shadow]

That's a good point.

[subtle bluff]

Good enough, wrong BP.

[soft crane]

Cant have the right BP.

[subtle bluff]

Like I said. Good enough it'll work. If you want more DMG need to get the right BP.

[soft crane]

RNG being an asshol3 so yeah maybe late.

[normal shadow]

I've got that one now, just completed the Setup.

Now I need to find a way to get the perfect Hollow Man mask.

[smoky latch]

• Named item caches
• Get blueprint from Reconstructed Caches (you will still need the Yaahl fabric to craft)
• Spam craft random brand set items, hoping that once in a while you get a Yaahl piece you can deconstruct to get the fabric
• Wait until a vendor sells it (probably takes too long)

OR going straight into the DZ :p

[subtle bluff]

Do mini dogs drop them?

[smoky latch]

Oh right, good point. They do, but it's also a bloated loot pool

[soft crane]

Neat, this could come in handy for skill damage build isnt it?

[smoky latch]

Yup

[normal shadow]

Welp. Looks like I'm in for a long farm.

[smoky latch]

Honestly, the best way short term is to farm the Houndsman Bounty

[silent storm]

yes

That is where I farm all my DZ Named Items now

[normal shadow]

Haven't the bounty so would need to lfg for kind souls.

[smoky latch]

It's shared a lot

[normal shadow]

This is true. But I can't get it for myself can I?

[silent storm]

Bloody Houndsman is the same thing if you have that one

[normal shadow]

Unfortunately no. I've been off the game for years.

[vernal dagger]

Is tipping scales good for full red build in escalation I feel like I have trouble keeping it stacked/ staying alive in t6+

[solar sable]

only T4 and below

[vernal dagger]

So I should just do striker instead?

[solar sable]

as usual

[vernal dagger]

With striker chest instead of equalizer chest

[solar sable]

yes

[vernal dagger]

Thank you

[grand swan]

Is a refractor currently the best for skill builds? I still see all yellow builds quite a bit

[smoky latch]

For turret/drone, yes, pretty much

[grand swan]

Ok thanks. Its for a drone and turret build

[quartz pasture]

Could I upload a build and someone tell me if it's good for t2 escalations

[solar sable]

dont ask to ask, just ask

[subtle bluff]

Normal Striker?

[quartz pasture]

T2 escalation ignore the shd levels

[solar sable]

I wanna know what was the thinking behind Ridgeway's and OD

either way, if you want to use OD just follow this:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10Zu9fKBuzxZ_EDlx_hkm2HN_f_KZltlZu7I8LRyceVE/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.feue0idx93gs

[quartz pasture]

I googled ridgeways pride bluescreen and od and it says they work great together

Even pestilence works great

[solar sable]

1. Shield and LMGs don't work together, use Banshee Pulse instead
2. Pestilence doesn't benefit from OD Hollow Point ammo amp
3. Ridgeway's doesn't synergize with OD at all, you NEED OD vest
4. Blue cores are nerfing your DMG
5. OD bag is useless, use what the guide recommends
6. You need the right attributes, not just random ones

[solar sable]

and last but not least, don't use google or youtube for builds, ask here instead

[quartz pasture]

I'm using exactly what Google said so your wrong I'm just going to ignore u

[solar sable]

what

[solar sable]

so why did you come here to ask for advice if you're going to ignore the advice?

[subtle bluff]

lol what?

There soo much bad infomation for Google/AI stuff to gather most of the time it's wrong.

[quartz pasture]

I searched is pestilence and ridgeways good together it said s tier not everything is to do with damage

[onyx sage]

has to be ragebait

[solar sable]

0/10 ragebait

[subtle bluff]

what are you talking about?

[solar sable]

just... why

[quartz pasture]

I know what I'm talking about and everyone is going off topic i asked is it good for escalation but your being mean about how i play

[solar sable]

I initially didn't go off topic?

[subtle bluff]

Ask Google how do you this?

[quartz pasture]

I'm done with you stop

[subtle bluff]

The answer to your upload is, no it's not good.

You never asked another question. People gave you advice if you don't like it well that's on you.

[quartz pasture]

No it's your fault for not listening to the question

[subtle bluff]

I'm at fault for what?
What question you asked. Is this not you?

[smoky latch]

Brother, you listen to AI over suggestions from veterans?

[fair dragon]

did you know? AI = Absolutely Incorrect

[flint arch]

average build advice discourse

[quartz pasture]

I play my way like everyone else does

[fair dragon]

then why did you ask the original quesiton?

[smoky latch]

He is trying to save you from creating a crap build, which saves you time ultimately

[fair dragon]

why ask if your mind has no vacancy for input from others?

[smoky latch]

At some point you will realize: OMG google recommended me a trash build. Then what?

[fair dragon]

nah, at some point they will realize, game bad, uninstalled

[smoky latch]

Probably also has an AI gf that doesn't say things he doesn't wanna hear... sheesh

[flint arch]

you asked if your build is good. we tell you no and gave you reasons. if you don't like the reply that's fine, but don't expect anyone to help you with that attitude

[misty crane]

Finally working with a build I'm comfortable with, especially at this shd level still

[smoky latch]

Negotiator's Dilemma for instance

[solar sable]

a build wont get you through a legendary

[frail bolt]

Advice?

[soft crane]

Is there a setting that lets me aim without having to look down with the 8x scope?

[fair dragon]

nope

[soft crane]

Dont mind the Negev. You want an LMG thats fast firing and has big mag. Preferably M249 and GR9.

[frail bolt]

What gloves are those?

[soft crane]

Overdogs.

Targeted loot gloves or craft it yourself. Blueprint is from retaliation mode against Hyenas.

[frail bolt]

Got it.

[dense roost]

Finally got around to making this what is the moves chat

[shrewd stump]

can i get some advice on how to maximize more damage? thought of running sawyer for 30% unsituational weapon damage

[smoky latch]

Whatever you pick, don't pick Sawyer's Kneepads. You don't wanna camp in a corner to get a damage benefit

[gentle lichen]

The stash
In all honesty you could put it on a zwia 2 pc fox overdog's and pgc and pvigi but it'll still be meh

[dense roost]

lmao

[shrewd stump]

thought about fox hole but 30% weapon damage seems much better than 8% DTOC

[dense roost]

Not really trying to super optimize these days, this is my general running around loadout and I'm sure having blue cores on a striker build will make some people barf lmao

[dense roost]

Fox's are good bc DTTOOC is another unique multiplier and having as many of those as you can is good

[smoky latch]

You need to stand still for like 10s or whatever you get the full damage benefit. For what activity do you want to improve your build?

[dense roost]

Esp if you don't have that stat on your weapons otherwise for whatever reason (you should)

[shrewd stump]

tryna make a build for escalation t6+ running t5 rn

[dense roost]

forgor

[smoky latch]

Then go for Hollow Man mask and ditch Salvo

[cerulean mica]

take off that bp cuz

[smoky latch]

The new AR isn't godsent, it's situational, FYI. MK46 with Frenzy as main and Scorpio as secondary is nice

[shrewd stump]

i totally forgot abt the 14% health dmg

[smoky latch]

21% when prototyped

Totally worth it for Escalations

In fact it should be your next proto item

[shrewd stump]

i use it when against heavy armor plate enemies, warhound etc etc

[smoky latch]

Yeah those don't come around THAT often - make sure to switch

[cerulean mica]

ravenous is also extremely good for high tier chungas, dogs and bosses

[dense roost]

Just got a proto'd festive backback this game is not even real man

[smoky latch]

Yus

[cerulean mica]

plus ravenous almost perma stuns them

[shrewd stump]

the stat on the salvo, got it from random drop

[smoky latch]

2.5% increase isn't worth much

[cerulean mica]

salvo is mid, id go a ceska piece over it all day

[smoky latch]

Fox's get 4% increase
Contractor's get 4% increase
Hollow Man gets a 7% increase

Plus Hollow Man's DtH comes in so clutch in Escalations

[cerulean mica]

only just found out good it is against dogs ^

[smoky latch]

Plus all the red bars

[subtle bluff]

rav what?

[cerulean mica]

🤨

[silent storm]

Dogs die in a second if you shoot the legs anyway

[cerulean mica]

dth helps that though

[shrewd stump]

see but i dont get it why people choose mk46 over lexington

[cerulean mica]

cause frenzy is just the meta, lexington doesnt compare

[smoky latch]

Don't you want a lot of sustained damage against bullet sponges? An AR, regardless which, can't keep up with that

[subtle bluff]

rav doesn't CC..

[cerulean mica]

the right shoulder explosions stuns chungas and similar bosses

[subtle bluff]

Doesn't CC. Does extra AMP on Armor Plates yes.

[cerulean mica]

nitpicking professional

[weak quail]

Named prototypes guarantee boosting their unique stat?

[smoky latch]

Si

[subtle bluff]

You're the one that mentioned "Stun" even tho there are no Status Effect

[cerulean mica]

🤝

[smoky latch]

Chow's right tho

[shrewd stump]

i see

[subtle bluff]

It's misinformation mentioned is the thing.

[inner smelt]

any build ideas with bulwark gear?

[gentle lichen]

since i have such a ridiculous amount of chc with my proto nego what's the next best minor to have on it? was thinking dta mostly

[hazy steeple]

I've decided to make an actual season-specific build for once, anyone have a fun combo that'll be mostly worthless once this Season ends, but is high-difficulty-ready for Rise Up?

[proper kindle]

if i wanna use a lexinton as a secondary weapon. wich talent would perform best? having the St Elmo or chamaleon as primary

[subtle bluff]

Measured and Back n Forth

[lone glacier]

What sick joke is this

[minor grove]

yo!!!!! Festive Delivery gang!!! woot woot i got one to

[onyx sage]

sawyer's kneepads damage buff vs the humble hot foot

[cerulean mica]

tech or surv for a MA build?

[wicked mica]

I’ve been using this build from the Google doc. I’m using both of the shown guns, but would it be worth it to use a military or black market M60 for that extra weapon mod slot? I’m sitting at 110%ish crit damage and with one more mod slot I could put it up to 115%. Or should I just stick with the classic M60 since it has the highest raw damage of the 3?

apologies if the image quality kind of sucks ass, press to save doesn’t work in Google Docs on my phone so had to screenshot and crop

wait a minute shit, I just realized I grabbed the wrong build image

or no I didn’t, I was just using the wrong stuff, oops

The mask has a similar design to ongoing directive so I was using the wrong shit entirely

[stark siren]

with striker I tried DUA didnt get a chance obliterated in minutes

[solar sable]

so you're okay now? 😆

[smoky latch]

The weapons are just (ideal) suggestions. You can run whatever you want

[wicked mica]

well I can fix it later, I just need to go back and farm the right set

[wicked mica]

Understandable

[smoky latch]

For instance I hate slow firing guns and would never touch an M60

[wicked mica]

I assume that’s why the build uses measured on the M60

[subtle bluff]

A build won't solely carry you thru leggo or master.

[smoky latch]

Well the RoF boost is just applies to the first half of the ammo box, the second half is painstakingly low

[wicked mica]

true, but the reload is really fast with the mag mod I chose

so I’ll usually just reload once the RoF slows

unless the enemy is almost dead or there’s a bunch of low rank enemies I can just easily take out

[subtle bluff]

have you read the TS guide in the pinned messages here?

[wicked mica]

I have not, is there something special enough about that set to need its own guide

[solar sable]

it breaks down why and how it works (I think)

[wicked mica]

I do not see anything about that set in this channel’s pins

[wicked mica]

ah

yea I can’t use that, holy shit it’s bad on mobile

[solar sable]

do you have Google Sheets installed? Because mine works fine

[wicked mica]

I do not

[solar sable]

go on then lol

[wicked mica]

Didn’t know about it

how in the hell do I navigate this

oh, this isn’t a particularly complex set

tl;dr just keep shooting

[short bone]

how to change prototype weapon talents?

[solar sable]

cant recalibrate nor optimize, you can only reroll the prototype augment

[shrewd stump]

just wanna say thank guys for the advice, im now doing -2000m dmg +

[hybrid arrow]

does the dps calculator at the range take into account overdogs? im getting pretty much the same dps numbers of striekr with equalizer overdogs vs equalizer salvo. and im using a prot first bloom, cuz its my only proto and im 24

only a 10 percent difference in crit damage

[solar sable]

we don't use the range dps meter as a valid measurement tool because it's innacurate

[hybrid arrow]

so how do u

[solar sable]

also, when calculating dps, we dont take into account the 30% amp bc you would be including them as a 100% uptime amp

[fleet gulch]

I want to copy this healer build I saw previously. What stats should I look for in the exotic weapon, what's a good secondary weapon to use with this, and should I be going repair skills + skill haste for gear rolls?

[solar sable]

1. RoF I guess... although I would suggest Scorpio instead of Bittersweet for its buffs
2. Lefty
3. If it's for high tier Escalations it's fine to use Birdies as a main, but if it's not then I advice using The Setup instead to give team buffs; Named Alps gloves are silly, Skill Health contributes nothing as Skill Haste is better
4. Yes, for Healer Skill Haste + Repair Skills is BiS

[high dagger]

is there a refactor build guide document here?

planning to build one for escal support

[solar sable]

well... FI actually does better than Refactor but yes, in the pinned Spreadsheet

[high dagger]

i'll just build both

and thx

[stone python]

tipping scales with 60% ChC > stickers

[rocky igloo]

help tryin to do a rifle build with 1886 with 3 cores with t6 shield my 1886 shows 847 dmg i need 1.3 min

[soft crane]

Damn it I only deal 32M max damage when all the buffs are active with these stats.

Not enough to oneshot named enemy in full group play.

[soft crane]

ay yo wtf mf reinforcer hive deal more damage than my rifle

[soft crane]

Yeah nvm 40M is the best I got.

[rocky igloo]

help tryin to do a rifle build with 1886 with 3 cores with t6 shield my 1886 shows 847 dmg i need 1.3 min

[subtle bluff]

showing build helps

[rocky igloo]

dont have 1 that why im asking

[livid sorrel]

i doubt you're reaching that damage with a t6 shield
not without chainkiller anyway

[rocky igloo]

I have chain killer i'm just wondering if to do with 3 cores and three Blues

[exotic talon]

chd diamondback probably could that freak of nature was doing decent damage on my catharsis foundry bulwark build

[rocky igloo]

I'm just wondering if it's possible

because I like to use Shields but I want to do damage also

[exotic talon]

with 1886 youre better off doing a red core high end tinkerer build

[rocky igloo]

Yeah but if I do red how will I get t6

I mean can you do a one shot build with a tear 6 Shield

[exotic talon]

thats the neat part, you dont
crusader shield is more of a sacrificial lamb so you can duck into cover before you get obliterated

[exotic talon]

no

[livid sorrel]

you don't. at most you could get t3 with 3 core bag and technician

anything beyond that you're sacrificing damage

[exotic talon]

core strength is your best option for a t6 shield dps build but its stinky hybrid slop

[livid sorrel]

can probably rifle HH techtank

[rocky igloo]

With this I have and 1.6 million on the rifle

[livid sorrel]

😌

[exotic talon]

speaking of, i was thinking about trying this

[soft crane]

Yamerooooo

[opal siren]

Can i ask something? is it worth using a shotgun that does less damage but shoots more rounds and reloads faster?

[soft crane]

This build doesnt make any sense at all.

[opal siren]

i just got the gold one and i've been using the Purple one

[soft crane]

Use whatevers best. You're not going to create a build before reaching level 40.

[opal siren]

okay

yeah i am 32 atm

[exotic talon]

i have become what i swore to destroy

[soft crane]

Give these guides a read once you reached level 40.

• Level 40 Starter Guide
• yee yee ahh strikers

[livid sorrel]

probably something like this, i don't dabble in rifles enough to give a definite answer

[opal siren]

okay thanks fam 🙂

[exotic talon]

seriously though i want more bang for my buck on my skills but idk if red core skill efficiency or yellow core weapon damage is better for core strength mmr

[soft crane]

lemme try this as well.

Why Technician though?

[livid sorrel]

guy wanted a strong shield

[soft crane]

oh

nvm it doesnt

[subtle bluff]

I think he meant on the WD it says 1.6

[rocky igloo]

this will work

[livid sorrel]

youtube is very rarely good for builds

[rocky igloo]

I just wish I could test this build

[exotic talon]

ninjabike isnt inherently bad, people using it in pve just dont know what theyre doing

[livid sorrel]

with a CS NBB build?

[subtle bluff]

idk...

maybe

[hazy steeple]

The words "god tier" and "tank" in the same sentence is a tip-off that a build probably isn't the best option you could take.

[rocky igloo]

what set has 13% hs dmg and 20% rifle or ar

does markmen rifle same as rifle

[livid sorrel]

no

[rocky igloo]

The Habsburg Guard brand set (introduced in Year 5) is the primary set providing +13% Headshot Damage and +20% Marksman Rifle Damage (specifically 2-piece bonus). For specialized rifle damage, the Zoh / Zwiadowka set offers +20% Rifle Damage, often used in high-end damage builds.

[livid sorrel]

somehow i feel like you got that from google ai

[rocky igloo]

yea

[livid sorrel]

don't rely on it, it's outdated at best dead wrong at worst

[rocky igloo]

were Yeahcan i go to see what gear has whats stats

[livid sorrel]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM

[junior lagoon]

how aboyut ez legendary? 🙂

[rocky igloo]

ty

@livid sorrel tyty

[mighty river]

Is CHC still the go to on LMGs or is it just dependent on what gear set you're running that determines whether to use CHC, RoF, or DTA?

[subtle bluff]

Generally CHC is best.

[weak quail]

To what i have noticed, CHC is good on LMGs since it frees up tons of other mods to increase CHD or whatever with, including weapon mods that tend to come with double the value their crit chance equivalent do. Meanwhile as (lmg) attributes both CHD and CHC cap at like 9.5% iirc so CHC is a great choice

[subtle bluff]

9.5 CHC is a highest CHC slot in the game so it's value is really high in that sense

[mighty river]

Alright, I figured so. Thanks!

[subtle bluff]

Ceska is 8 and gear is 6.

[exotic talon]

if the lmg has mods for chc, you want dta

[weak quail]

When i saw CHD was at 10 i shook my head, it should have been 20 to be viable

[subtle bluff]

something

[weak quail]

Yeah since on gears and weapon mods it is always twice the chc. Makes no sense

[weak quail]

I based my answer from what i noticed and an OD tinkerer build i watched from Ikia recently, but that’s good to know and makes sense since DTA is “bonus damage” and never hurts to have

Granted it only works on white bars, so some more CHD i imagine wouldn’t fall far behind in most cases

[exotic talon]

dth is probably better in high tier escalation too

[weak quail]

I hear Prototype hollow man mask is too good

[subtle bluff]

Not too good. Just good for escalation

[weak quail]

Yeah, there, and maybe legendary.

[subtle bluff]

Actually less there.

Heroic have more Health targets and things that work off of it.

Legendary is it's mixed

Legendary goes back to normal PvE builds.

Escalation at higher Tiers is just different.

[weak quail]

Some legendary have a lot of minitanks and warhounds, but yeah, i personally wouldn’t run it there. Do Marauders have any armor or is it all health?

[subtle bluff]

All 3 are Armor Plate.

There also no where to slot in Hallowman in normal builds

[weak quail]

So damage to armor is the way to go in roosevelt island legendary in the end

[subtle bluff]

We do not use Striker Chest in leggo

[subtle bluff]

No.
Armor Plates are DTH

[weak quail]

Unless backfire enjoyer for whatever reason? Or is that thing not worth touching

[weak quail]

Oh then hollow man mask good for marauder bosses

[subtle bluff]

Getting that close with ads isn't a great idea.

[weak quail]

Lmao true

[subtle bluff]

If it's Proto I guess but I'd want to switch off of once I have target normal guys

Leggo is mostly Elites.

If we realy cared just Rav

[nocturne current]

In short Legendary's content full DPS's meaning Striker, just go full BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT 😄

[weak quail]

Oh yeah proto is where named gears seem to shine from what i’ve been seeing

[subtle bluff]

Well no. You can do other things in leggo just need to know the mission and have good gameplay

This is a good example. This is over 6 months old now.

[exotic talon]

hsd builds are pretty fun in legendary but i wouldnt recommend them in random matchmaking

[nocturne current]

Oh i use Nego, when in group off course on tier 5+ escalation

[unborn cove]

High tier escalation is just grandmaster nightfalls all over again

[subtle bluff]

I've ran Hotdogs jsut fine in leggo RMM.

[subtle bluff]

I tried it. It's not worth it really.

[nocturne current]

Even though you've spec'ed out maxium crits you can?

[subtle bluff]

No. It's just playing it just doesn't play well due to scaling. Taking a target out quicker is better vs mult.

[nocturne current]

I see, i've tested out using ongoing directive build on escalation torwards tier 5 it can be done but going above tier 5 yeah OD will be very difficult cause more enemies are more imune towards status effect

[waxen sage]

which talent would you guys recommend putting on my lexington with a strikers build

[solar sable]

Back n Forth

[mighty river]

Probably Killer

[rocky igloo]

@solar sable you here

[summer totem]

Anyone got the data sheet for the drops in retaliation?

[soft crane]

Killer for solo play, Measured for group play.

[rocky igloo]

best place to find builds

[soft crane]

Check pins.

[rocky igloo]

pins ???

[solar sable]

almost not

[rocky igloo]

what u tuber can i trust 4 great builds

@solar sable

[soft crane]

Ikia

[fierce ether]

Guys with hana u and refactor build just need to aim good with capacitor and just lets ur drone and assault turret work, not?

[subtle bluff]

Ask that again. I didn't ge tthat.

[subtle bluff]

The Pinned Messages.

[soft crane]

Yes you need to build Capacitor stacks so your skills has more damage.

Man using oneshot build against Kitsunebi squad is like being forced to use Turmoil.

[rocky igloo]

Hey guys I need a one shot where I can use the crusader tier 6 with three yellow COres to make the hive heal the shield either Pistol or rifle plz

[stone python]

A godrolled GR9 dropped what's the best talent for it?

[subtle bluff]

You cannot have everything at once.

[tepid mantle]

whats a good build for the bluescreen it was my first exotic i dropped

[subtle bluff]

Depends on a lot of things.

[subtle bluff]

TS or ND

[soft crane]

The Stackless Strikers

Im surprised you didnt mention OD Mr.Chow

Regardless Bluescreen is a versatile LMG so it kinda fits anywhere including the regular Striker.

[tepid mantle]

i got striker set right now but im alyways dying

okay thanks m8

[rocky igloo]

im told it can be done just need to find the build

[stone python]

Personally I like TS + Iron Lung combo, melt🫠 them like 🧈

[sacred charm]

What is possible good build for chameleon?

[drifting fiber]

what's a good build to use the bluescreen with? ongoing directive, tipping scales, or negotiator's dilemma?

[soft crane]

All of them are good but I prefer Ongoing.

[soft crane]

yee yee ah Strikers or Hunters Fury. Keep in mind that Chameleon is an SMG classified as AR so you might want to keep your distance close to the enemy.

[sacred charm]

Yeah im ussing strikers build, but problem is that gun have mag like 50 ammo cant remember exactly how much and need 2 reload so it could stack his passive, so im thinking something else too build except those twoo

[terse horizon]

I heard echo is broken with headhunter(any confirmation on this?)... so which augments are people using on proto headhunter builds?

Im thinking paradox personally

[subtle bluff]

If they told you they shold be able to give you the build.

Outside solo heroic the build won't work.

[rocky igloo]

@subtle bluff its just 4 soloing

[subtle bluff]

Chainkiller, breaking point, foxex and memento.

[rocky igloo]

this is how it looks just change mmr to rifle

@subtle bluff

[subtle bluff]

What....

[rocky igloo]

they ss the build

[subtle bluff]

Ok..

[rocky igloo]

what you think

[subtle bluff]

Lol looks like trash.

Sure solo challenging.

But then anything is viable there.

[icy jasper]

Outta all the new stuff they've added my go to cqb is still HF+ momento n obliterate and Scorpio+ a smg with killer

[patent fossil]

Yeah paradox seems like the most suitable choice, others don't really synergise much at all

[terse horizon]

of course now, everything is rolling echo when i dont want it... 😒

[hazy steeple]

I farm OD out and get a bunch of Echo, I farm strikers and get Trapper.
🤯

[icy jasper]

Rng has not been in ur favor huh

Speaking of striker I shall farm for a 4x striker with hazz pro for backfire

[hazy steeple]

I can't complain, got an Echo on Equa+MK46+striker holster naturally.

[icy jasper]

Ah so a good days work

[rocky igloo]

@hazy steeple make me a 1 shot pistol build lol

[hazy steeple]

In the spreadsheet, click on "regulus headhunter". There's a few variations in there that'll work for ya.

[rocky igloo]

what spreadsheet

can i use tir 6 sheild

[hazy steeple]

Click the 📌 pinned-message icon > "spreadsheet 2" > builds. Enjoy!

[rocky igloo]

were

[normal shadow]

Pinned messages, on the upper frame of Discord, next to the channel name.

[icy jasper]

My favorite is 4x HF with momento, chain killer and regulus

Or probably the gift , punch drunk, chain killer, foxes , contractors, salvo and regulus

Can go dch instead of slavo tho but that's like the old school meta pistol build

[rocky igloo]

@icy jasper can i use the heavet

[icy jasper]

Yea it's a good alternative

[patent fossil]

If you're on mobile, tap the channel name at the top

[icy jasper]

Still has the highest base damage

[rocky igloo]

@icy jasper and have a tir 6 sheild

[icy jasper]

Regulus is fun as it makes things go boom

[icy jasper]

Nah at max ur looking at teir 2 if doing hf

[rocky igloo]

i dont see pinned any were

[icy jasper]

If high end u gonna be all red

[hazy steeple]

sorry, but I've gotta know. "were"?

[icy jasper]

So a teir 0 although u can use tech spec and get a teir 1

I usually go gunner or sharp

[normal shadow]

Where*

[icy jasper]

If on mobile

Go too the top right and there's a search icon and then go to pinned

Then ur find the spreadsheet that the community made

[hexed steppe]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?usp=sharing

Images for mobile.

On desktop app just look at top for 📌 icon

[noble osprey]

morning all just got done walking the pups about to load up and show my build i need a opinion on my core strength build

[soft crane]

Decent at best for PvE. Would rather you just run an actual pure DPS build.

[river grove]

Striker with red cores

[noble osprey]

https://medal.tv/games/division-2/clips/mD0IT4m7gz2pMV33n?invite=cr-MSw5dnYsNzE1OTY0OTg

[soft crane]

Of course you have NBB equipped.

[noble osprey]

wymmmm

[soft crane]

If you're looking for a skill damage build there are much better options.

Refactor is for assault turret and striker drone for example.

[noble osprey]

trueeeee

bro i came back after a year and been trying this out ill farm summit then

[soft crane]

Yea good luck with that.

Though i cant help but wonder why is every low SHD players use Core Strength in the first place?

[noble osprey]

it scratched a itch

some what if hybrid build

[soft crane]

Almost every players I met below shd level 1000 are using Core Strength. Im getting sick of carrying them through heroic diff activities.

[short verge]

core strength pieces likely the first few gear set pieces they get from the seasonal caches????

[noble osprey]

thats what happened to me lol

[soft crane]

There are much better Hybrid builds as well. Heartbreaker DPS/Tank, and Refactor skill damage/heal.

[noble osprey]

i was like ouuuuuu what if

[soft crane]

Oh right freaking hell.

That explains it holy sh*t yeah I completely forgot about that.

[noble osprey]

also i peeped the heartbreaker vibe and am working on that as we speak

do i go full blue with red?

[soft crane]

Idk, I never liked hybrid or other half-assed builds.

[hexed steppe]

No self promo please

Just explain a build if you want to help

[short verge]

wasnt self promo wtf? gotta have video proof of a build working

whatever ill send in their dms on their consent

[hexed steppe]

Ty

[noble osprey]

my b

[livid sorrel]

damage and armor + it working in challenging

[short verge]

here, the build i want to explain

[warped musk]

might be a dumb and odd question but what is a build that would fit the asthetic of like a scrapper character that like builds shit out of random scrap and junk

[noble osprey]

i want a build that lets me face tank put dps down range and has good riot foam duration

[livid sorrel]

Pick one.

[hexed steppe]

Source youtube, they are all junk builds

[livid sorrel]

A tech tank might be decent at dps and survivability

[noble osprey]

youre not wrong, im my head i'm like if theres the core set WHY NOTTTTTT

[livid sorrel]

i'd say a skill build but all the skills are high tech

[warped musk]

true, but its probably the closest i can get

[livid sorrel]

probably drone turret refactor

[warped musk]

sounds good

[noble osprey]

my next 2 builds will be hb and refactor for sure just looked up the turret drone build that thang hits

ya know i also have a sinking feeling that i shouldnt even be touching core set till max watch anyway :/

[short verge]

just use whatever you wanna vibe with before going for the higher difficulty content or group matchmaking

[livid sorrel]

anything works in challenging

[rotund pewter]

Core Strength, all yellow Cores, all CHC attributes, Capacitor, and Gunner spec.

And memento

My turret does close to 200k dmg, drone does arounf 115-130k, and capacitor does about 415k plus

2.6M armor

[teal ibex]

i do 1m to 1.5mil a bullet with first bloom😶

[lone wadi]

mid of all trades master of none

[rotund pewter]

Yea capacitor is pretty limited, mainly for the turo/dro dmg buff

[teal ibex]

fair. i get it u use capacitor. but why core strength and not refractor or the other sets

[lone wadi]

core strength is supposed to be the “do everything” set but it ends up doing everything at a subpar level that you’d just be better off focusing on the of the things

[hallow arch]

Any good builds with the ouroboros?

[teal ibex]

HF set lol.

[rotund pewter]

I want to do refractor just havent yet

[rotund pewter]

and for the most part because its fun to have a turo/dro build that is actually viable. I've even done up to escalation Tier 4 solo with that build. I found this specific build actually works for almost all content

[dapper glacier]

do we have refactor enjoyers here?

can you show me what you currently running? just curious 🙂

[grim bluff]

Refactor mask, holster, gloves, kneepads, impetus chest piece, force multiplier backpack

Turret, drone, capacitor, MK47 rifle with in sync (better replaced with Harmony, but it's DZ/named cache)

Hana-U chest with empathic resolve if you're in a group since it improves group DPS

[soft crane]

What about Impetus? Perfect kinetic momentum.

[shy willow]

Empathic boosts TWD so it has more utility imo

[grim bluff]

I said impetus

[livid sorrel]

striker or HF

[vernal wing]

Just striker. Pair it with an LMG for long range.

[copper yarrow]

The only Gearset that increases Pesti ticks is CoCo right?

[onyx sage]

no one mention virtuoso... let it die...

[smoky latch]

It's already dead, sir. No need to poke the corpse

[onyx sage]

same as Tips pre-nerf...

[smoky latch]

This text probably got me flagged somewhere

[hard yew]

what talent is the best for lexington, using striker

[smoky latch]

Killer solo, Measured or Back and Forth in groups is good

[honest moss]

Impetus better than perfect glass on refactor/skill builds?

[urban latch]

I would go with empathic to boost your teammates with refractor

[smoky latch]

For pure skill damage, yes. As Raucey said, Empathic Resolve is great to buff your team's damage

[silk cargo]

Why does my healing decrease when I equip the healing mod?

[gentle lichen]

visual only

[silk cargo]

How do I know the true stats then?

[smoky latch]

Jsut equip what fits and disregard those numbers. Been working fine like that for years lol

[silk cargo]

Damn, thanks.

[honest moss]

Does that trigger with refactor now?

Also thanks

[smoky latch]

It always worked

[hallow arch]

damn srsly? I thought striker was for ARs and stuff

[halcyon sentinel]

what good 2nd weapon for tipping scale?

[honest moss]

Oh i thought it didn't on release. Thanks!

[smoky latch]

Was one of the first things I tried with that set

[vernal wing]

Striker is best for anything with a lot of bullets.
AR/SMG/LMG/Shotgun

[hallow arch]

oooh interesting

[gaunt chasm]

should i keep the 55 chc and 137 chd or change to 60 chc and lose 10% chd

[shut oriole]

how useful is this

[smoky latch]

@shut oriole

[solar sable]

for pve, useless, for pvp, kinda

[shut oriole]

huh

[smoky latch]

To answer your first question

[solar sable]

sir, it was this person

[shut oriole]

i asked this

[gaunt chasm]

i asked but thanks

[vestal pasture]

hi all,,i need some details on future initative build,,i intend to use it in high tier escalation
any help will be highly appreciated ,,thanks

[smoky latch]

My bad lol

[shut oriole]

lol, its alright

[smoky latch]

#td2-build-advice message

[gaunt chasm]

thanks

[smoky latch]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11__a0xEKRKX22zNtLFwQM6P44oIq_h6g07a47Fd0X2M/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.am5atfliuvwx
For the real high tier Escalations you could also use Birdie's backpack 100% of the time and an Alps chest with Empathic Resolve

[solar sable]

4pc FI, Birdies/The Setup, Alps gloves/BTSU
Repair Skills and Skill Haste

[solar sable]

but, wouldn't FI vest be better than Empathic?

[smoky latch]

You have 4pcs FI plus Alps w/ ER, that's like 30% buff if I'm not mistaken

15% FI and 15% ER

The FI buff depends on your team's armor and ER is a guaranteed but timed buff

FI chest would give 25%

[weak quail]

Saw a random run it with four pieces of core strength, FOUR. Bro made me close the game and go for a walk, god bless

[sharp herald]

Hi guys, I found this comment on Reddit and wanted to try this loadout,

As I’m short on resources and all I wanted to get second opinions before committing to it (I found conflicting info as to what’s the best set-up for this build).

1. Is bullet king really the best option? Why not perstilence/bluescreen?
2. Should I max the gear on red cores and focus on crit hit chance and damage or rather get some armor in there since it’s more about spreading damage and crit hits don’t matter as much? Thanks!