td2-build-advice

[delicate hill]

looted it, dropped with armor at 160,009 instead of 170k

i had one a last week at 163,516

[livid sorrel]

that's for upgrading from highend/gearset

[delicate hill]

that just seems like something that should be made very clear about prototypes

[lone wadi]

they are supposed to be at the high end version's max stats, protos shouldn't drop below that

[delicate hill]

Thats what i heard from all sources but when i ask about it people say its only for upgrading

[lone wadi]

well.. considering its bugvision 2 we're talking about, its not completely out of the realm of possibility. it shouldn't happen, but it clearly has to you and some others. I haven't personally seen any tho

[subtle bluff]

what souces?

[heady marten]

idk who said it to me earlier, but i tried out three seperate builds for escal and it went like this

equal + striker + overdogs = 2.4 mil max per shot
salvo + strikers + overdogs (w strikers chest) = 2.8 per shot but higher buildup, for escal
fox + strikers + overdogs (w strikers chest) = 3.1 per shot but again, still takes longer but that works for high escal

i did mah math and im satisfied

[lone wadi]

of course its just a screenshot that was sent here before, whether it was altered or not i cant confirm that

[delicate hill]

Hot off the press for you

[subtle bluff]

Counting per Bullet DMG isn't how we measured a builds DMG output.

[delicate hill]

i have another thats in my stash rn thats got below expected on armor and health stat

[subtle bluff]

That's normal for Proto

Have you relogged yet since putting the armor on?

[heady marten]

why do you have to rain on my parade

[lone wadi]

below 170k armour?

maybe just visual?

[lone wadi]

idk needa check the stats page armour value

[grizzled vector]

can someone help me understand the rigger build you get at lvl 35? i got a pistol that has future perfect on it, im not sure if it was from the build cache, but is there any other way i can keep the stack of skill tier going? or do i have to use just the pistol to get stacks?

[delicate hill]

why tho? why is it all content creators say it applys to all protos being at the highend max stats im pretty sure but cant check atm Massive said something similar and didnt say that it it only applys to upgraded pieces

[heady marten]

well i did some math and im satisfied and i tried it in escal with all three and it worked and i like that i understand that i know why it worked 😔

[subtle bluff]

If you're not lvl 40 don't sweat about builds yet. Just play the game try stuff out. Nothing matters till your lvl 40

[grizzled vector]

thank you lmao 🙁

[lone wadi]

doesn't seem normal

[subtle bluff]

Use the DPS calc in the Pinned Messages to figure it out.

[subtle bluff]

Lol not many content creators understand my gif above....

[delicate hill]

with this pieces no but the other one i have in stash i have relogged and it didnt change

[subtle bluff]

I mean with your armor in general

[delicate hill]

like the bug i was having with it not filling? yes i restarted my game and came back it was okay but i took damage and it bugged again

[subtle bluff]

LOL I Chalk it up too Dev's not giving us 2 PTS for a huge update.

[delicate hill]

i just want to know if its intented or not so i can do a bug report if needed to hopefully prevent this but when i get conficting answers idk..

[subtle bluff]

Report it

[lone wadi]

not intended

[subtle bluff]

uhh?

Are you looking for advice or trying to e-- fa-- yourself...

[merry stone]

possible to get hollow man outside from dz somehow?

[lone wadi]

houndsman, crafting with bp

[merry stone]

how many bps are there for named items?

[lone wadi]

....a lot

[delicate hill]

Yes

[rough olive]

I’m working on a build. Is this correct? St. elmo with unit alloy (mask) fenris group (bagpack /unstoppable force) equalizer, overdogs, salvo, and ceska vyroba s.r.o

[livid sorrel]

shouldn't be too bad but why no gear set

[languid wasp]

4 pcs striker, equalizer and overdogs are the best

or if you want more damage, PGC

[rough olive]

I want a build that can take down Hunters.

[viscid plaza]

Hit em enough times with one of these and they'll die

[hybrid olive]

If it's in f100 summit u can also use a sniper build with shroud

[lunar imp]

does tinkerer work on two prototyped guns of the same type? or is it still bugged

[solar sable]

nope, still bugged

[quiet creek]

I'm trying to figure out a build that can work with both mmr and Ar's. I'm currently running with mostly aces and eights, ninja backpack, breaking point mask, and urban assault vest with the trauma talent on it.

Anyone got ideas?

[frosty oasis]

https://www.reddit.com/r/the_division_2/s/4ktl4URHKA

Backfire Proto Build - 5B Dmg - Art Museum T5

[quiet creek]

I don't have that exotic yet, but I do have the bloom ar as a prototype. I haven't really unlocked prototype stuff yet and I'm far below your shd lvl.

[frosty oasis]

Fair enough. Always keep it mind though at a later date. Its my Anti-Meta build. Holds &, tested through T8.
Its beyond great even without Proto Gear. If you can get one, id recommend trying it 🤘

[quiet creek]

Thanks so much. I'm just struggling against the Kitsune right now and the frustration is real.

[subtle bluff]

Tanker 24B only proto hallowman.

[subtle bluff]

ace&8 isn't good to use

It's just bad set

[quiet creek]

it's been good for me so far. I've been using a rifle and mmr currently, but I'm shit at close distance.

[frosty oasis]

@subtle bluff What was your scoreboard? Did you run all red? 5B is lapping the counter full circle. I went from positive to negative & back to positive. 25B sounds insane

[lone wadi]

How do you know how many times it laps

[subtle bluff]

didn't save it

100 kills so twice maybe

[quiet creek]

But anyways. I'm okay right now. I do a lot of damage with my mmr but I want to be able to run things on my own without my group from time to time.

[frosty oasis]

What did your damage say at the end? only real way to tell is 1. Kills 2. If most or all other teamates went negative & had way less kills

[subtle bluff]

I don't care to remember

If I foucs onjust doing DPS and not doing other things I could do all the dmg and kills

[frosty oasis]

couldn't have been 25B. Even on a T10 Stranded Tanker, you would need over 20M dmg a sec. Your math is just off vut i believe you kicked azz

[subtle bluff]

but it's a team game...

[frosty oasis]

I hit for 1.4M body & 1.7M Head. 150 kills on Art & only did 5B. To do 25B, youd have to pass 0, 12 times

[radiant vapor]

can i ask if what build u use these updates ? i need high dps build but i dont know if what set should i grind .

[subtle bluff]

We don't measure DMG output by per bullet... but by DPS.

[exotic talon]

3pc hotshot, chainkiller, airaldi bp with vigilance, fox's prayer w/ hsd on all
shroud, determined handbasket
for seasonal modifiers: compress offense, nullify, convert 1 offense for 135% hsd

[grizzled vector]

how does tend and befriend work with striker shield?? does it boost gun damage or no?

[exotic talon]

gets you to over 500% hsd + amped damage from shroud

[languid wasp]

😭

[radiant vapor]

Thank youu.

[subtle bluff]

That's not DPS...

[exotic talon]

i mean its single hit damage but if im killing another enemy every second does it not count as dps

[grizzled vector]

DopaminePerStroke™️

[radiant vapor]

can i get recommended build please ? 🙂

[subtle bluff]

what are you looking to do and on what content?

[subtle bluff]

He asked for DPS build. That's a one shot build..

[grizzled vector]

help me build a troll rogue build 🥺

[viscid plaza]

Its a very high DPS build

[exotic talon]

single hit damage still fits into the mmo role of dps

[radiant vapor]

I saw someone that their critical can hit 500k ? and my build right now is in 200k only.

[exotic talon]

whats your build
and crit chance and damage

[subtle bluff]

No it doesn't. HH builds do not work in some missions and escalation

[subtle bluff]

what's your SHD?

[exotic talon]

i climbed up to t3 solo with this build so i dont really know what youre talking about man

[radiant vapor]

Sorry , currently new to this game.

[subtle bluff]

Start here.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Tc2UDqrX0vBw-f18opih3idHlueXN7ca2HSEP_yAZDM/edit?tab=t.0n

[viscid plaza]

Not a strong argument tbh, no build fits in every piece of content, and doesn't disqualify them from being a DPS build

[subtle bluff]

Keep going and tell us how it goes at T5

[subtle bluff]

Context is someone is asking for a DPS build and someone is giving that person a One Shot build.

[subtle bluff]

Striker actually is the only that slots into that.

[exotic talon]

im actually raring to go but the servers havent been stable enough for me to try lol
i expect i will start having trouble at t6 but thats getting close to meta build only territory

i was close to beating t3 capitol when i got delta 3 and i just stopped trying

[viscid plaza]

If 4 people run all red striker in t6 and above escalation, they better be very skilled, otherwise you need a build that isn't Striker

[exotic talon]

eh, 4 all red strikers could steamroll up to like t8
especially if you get two coyote's

[livid sorrel]

i don't think there's a build that makes up for a lack of skill in t5<

[viscid plaza]

If they build haz pro, but even then thats not a conventional striker build

[subtle bluff]

I just did that earlier.

[exotic talon]

there are builds that make it entirely a matter of skill (striker its striker)

[subtle bluff]

I only have now 2 proto things on my build..

gameplay and knowledge help a lot.

[livid sorrel]

what's so hard about shooting

[grand girder]

gun make noise, people sensitive to noise, people miss

(sarcasm if you couldn't tell)

[viscid plaza]

When you get shocked, or get hit by grenadier or controller drone, or hit by EMP and have no haz pro... and just used your last armor kit

[exotic talon]

me explaining why the tipping scales user needs to drop bell ringer

[grand girder]

lmao

[viscid plaza]

and also all your teammates are all red, and you're not in the dream scenario where all your teammates are solid

[livid sorrel]

great, so trade crit for hazpro and gimp your damage

[exotic talon]

...everyone running good all red builds is the dream scenario

i would do unspeakable things to get people with coherent builds in matchmaking, let alone actual red core builds

[livid sorrel]

the humble kick button

[viscid plaza]

you mean the vote button

[exotic talon]

but im never the host...

[viscid plaza]

When my teammate swapped from all red to a hybrid build mid escalation and we wiped on my tokens

[livid sorrel]

bad player is bad player no matter the build

[exotic talon]

people got builds more colorful than the lgbtq+ flag

[viscid plaza]

The best player is doing nothing on an all blue build except proccing scorpio on some yellows

You can't literally run anything on T5

[exotic talon]

eh, i respect scorpio support builds

[fair dragon]

I can run a skill build and still out-damage a red build without using my weapons

[viscid plaza]

I do respect it, but its usually best on healer builds, the thing I'm advocating for

[exotic talon]

if they can get to the damage amp proc fast enough i dont care what they run really

[exotic talon]

the issue with seeing a skill build in matchmaking is you dont know if the person knows what theyre doing
if a red core build can stay alive and shoot, theyre doing their job

[viscid plaza]

If you can show a screenshot of you out damaging all your full red teammates in T5 using just a skill build I will eat my hat

[void gyro]

Justice for measured assembly

I wish they included grenades on the list of things it destroys

[viscid plaza]

Kinda sadge bc that was its original function

[hybrid pelican]

Been testing an MA 2 yellow core tier 6 build with precision smart cover. actually p good with a good team

[void gyro]

Fr! I wish they would rework it but I’m delusional

[exotic talon]

i should make a shotgun build with scorpio and lefty

support dps

[viscid plaza]

I love the smart cover, but wouldn't it also be effective to just run that on your red build and just cop the 10% DTTOOC and have your own insane dmg

[viscid plaza]

what I ran on my healer for a lil

[hybrid pelican]

Tried that too - but overcharged smart cover with 3 other mk46 full frenzy is just too fun. 50% dttoc basically

[viscid plaza]

Tbh I enjoy running T6 smart cover on my core strength build so I understand that completely

[hybrid pelican]

The more ppl playing the more benefit. I wouldnt run that MA build in duos

[viscid plaza]

The only thing I don't like is the auto reload negates the Frenzy talent from proccing

You have to manually reload

[fair dragon]

I didnt mention which skill build and which red build

[exotic talon]

i dont judge what people run as long as they can make it work
a lot of things in the game are viable despite not appearing as such at first

[fair dragon]

Good on ya

[viscid plaza]

My FB PFE birdies build gets a pass?

[fair dragon]

What content?

[viscid plaza]

Heroic summit 🥀

[fair dragon]

Nope, straight to j- nah Summit is fine

[exotic talon]

i mean, are you actually doing what birdie exists for

[viscid plaza]

I am utilizing its skill haste for my shield, yes

[warped crypt]

Is it worth bringing any of these to Exp 30? Agitator, Sherriff, Scorpio?

[subtle bluff]

eh.. IMO not really

[warped crypt]

Hmm ok

[subtle bluff]

To a degree... Almost anything is viable up to solo heroic.

[cold cedar]

I don't understand builds in this game... Even having 40m crits with sniper setup its playing a highrisk all the time as one pellet can get you down and all of the builds i see are all red without any defense and soloing it with it is tough. I know that PFE is not a magic stat but how do i build def? without recking my dmg?

[short verge]

you build MORE damage cuz dead enemies means no one is shooting you

or use better cover

[cold cedar]

40mil is enough to obliterate anything that is not armoured i think but still one error is ggs

[weak quail]

Reviver hive makes it 2

[cold cedar]

ermm

[short verge]

imma assume u using headhunter talent too so u could probably stick turmoil on there, make use of the overkill damage

[cold cedar]

that was an example that came to my mind first as i played HH sniper the most lately

[shut kindle]

Armour builds pointless, the enemies do so much damage now that you'll die regardless. You can use foundry up to heroic in some cases, but legendary or harder retals it's pointless

The only thing that stops you dying is better positioning and killing enemies before they get you

A healer sometimes helps, it's 1000x more beneficial than a tank

[short verge]

Me with pfe full blue heartbreaker clearing heroic retaliations: 💔

[livid sorrel]

There's a lot more room for offmeta builds on everything under legendary/master/escalation

It's just that survivability from gear are only really training wheels at best

[weak quail]

What’s a good bag for OD? Or use it’s set one?

Also for tinkerer only the primary weapon should be used and matters, right? Secondary just needs to be same weapon type and have the talent you want, no?

[misty walrus]

can anyone recommend non gear set build for pestilence?

[shut kindle]

Pvp? Pve?

[misty walrus]

pve

[shut kindle]

Most people use a variant of lengmo 3 piece for lmg damage.

Could run Picaro with it, salvo, contractors, fox's?

[misty walrus]

i saw a video could be from hollywood with full red several weeks ago, but couldnt find it out

[shut kindle]

I mean tbh you can use strikers with it in pve without issues, but ideally you wanna run lengmo.
In theory I guess you could run 3 piece striker, ninja bike, 2 piece lengmo, unsure if this is optimal though

Or tipping, but you end up missing out on big bonuses for not being able to use the backpacks on these sets too

[azure flume]

Whats better for max dps striker chest and backpack or sombre backpack with unstoppable force talent and ceska chest with obliterate talent?

[shut kindle]

"max DPS" is very vague. Depends on the content

Escalation t6+ striker chest is better. Anything where it's difficult to keep high strikers stacks (where enemies are much weaker) the chest is useless so the other is better

[azure flume]

Thanks for this

[shut kindle]

Np

[misty walrus]

which talent should i use for the bp?

[shut kindle]

I personally use the one that gives more damage if I haven't taken damage for x amount of time, I can't remember the name of it

But if you're being shot a lot, this won't be as useful

[misty walrus]

vigilence?

[shut kindle]

Yeah that's the one !

[misty walrus]

i always use cloak

[misty walrus]

lengmo + chc chd, another fkn unicorn

[soft crane]

The pain in the ass to build, build.

[short verge]

you have no idea

[shut kindle]

Nice holster tbf

I like seeing perfect rolled unicorn pieces, I have a few even if I never use them, it's nice to collect decent maxed drops

[weak quail]

Probably a small difference but curious on an answer.
OD Tinkerer build, sadist and frenzy.
What’s better:
CHC/CHD OF 55.2/123 or 60/113?
or perhaps even less CHC for a higher CHD?

[slate basin]

55.2/123 is very marginally better on average, but close enough that personally would pick 60 CHC one for damage consistency unless you play with people who play with Coyote's
to get average out of them you just multiply CHC and CHD together in decimal form, if all other variables stay the same I expect this to be case of swapping 5% CHC weapon mod to 10% CHD one

[shut kindle]

Yeah just timed them together bigger number is better

[weak quail]

Yeah weapon mod was what i could change for that. If gear Mod then similarly 6 for a 12

[weak quail]

That seems extremely similar, i was thinking of the odds of a random or friend running coyote mask making less chc more beneficial so maybe i should go with 55.2. Thanks
Vindictive also exists but hardly see people run it

[slate basin]

It is very marginal (0.2% difference) so your play patterns will dictate which of the 2 is better, I personally only play alone or with semi coordinated friends (no matchmaking) so I know if I will or won't get extra CHC from somewhere valuing the minor consistency increase.

[weak quail]

In that case do you aim for 60 chc?

[weak quail]

It seems like 55.2 might be a “sweetspot” my case as any lower CHC for higher CHD tests give me a smaller number

[slate basin]

Yeah it is Balancing between the 2 values

[weak quail]

Very good to know, thanks

[slate basin]

Consistency is also part of why Overdogs is seeing lower play in higher Escalations as you need to kill specific stuff before they reach you and you won't necessarily get the overdogs bonus so Hollow mans DtH or Fox's Prayers DttooC is valued as more conistent at cost of higher potential.

[weak quail]

I will go with 60 as i like the 3.4 scope tbh, useful sometimes

[weak quail]

I heard that yeah, makes me wonder if frenzy is even worth it over pressure point

Using a military mk46 with gunner mag so 150

[livid sorrel]

frenzy has more uptime

[weak quail]

With OD i would imagine PP would have more

[surreal elk]

do you guys run full red striker for escalations or do 1 or 2 blue main cores?

[weak quail]

bleed for days, cause i also use its bag as i have no good ceska bag

[weak quail]

My friends keep telling me on high escalation blue is useless but idk

[slate basin]

Frenzy if not played around might lose to Pressure point, but is also content dependant with Tech being bleed immune and Escalations getting status immune after taking heavy damage starting at level 2 or so.

[weak quail]

Oh right forgot about black tusks and that escalation directive or whatever. Good points, Frenzy it is

[livid sorrel]

true, but since enemies get status immunity it falls off

[slate basin]

There are many variables to take into account.

[weak quail]

For global modifiers i am using 20/20/30 with +45% status effects

Since im using the OD bag i figured it could be good

Contractor gloves as my sixth piece

[lone glacier]

You dont run OD for the bleed damage though

[weak quail]

My lack of a good ceska bag to put vigilance or wicked on made me run OD bag so i went with it. Don’t know what better global mods i could use as i dont utilize skill damage

[weak quail]

This did give me the idea of having frenzy on my secondary LMG with health damage for dealing with machines

Had a military m60 e4 with perfect stats and health damage sitting in the stash waiting to be utilized with frenzy talent

[lone glacier]

Headshot Damage

[weak quail]

Compress, convert 1 and wildcard?

[lone glacier]

Convert 1 Off , Compress Off, Nullify

[weak quail]

Meant nullify with wildcard, confused myself there. But to be fair it’s the only wildcard i use 🤣 ok so as i thought it. I’ll give it a try thanks

[surreal elk]

does anyone know any variant to the glass canon petrov chest that pestilence uses? I hate glass canon so much

[buoyant perch]

Obliterate

[calm summit]

Guys i need a small advice i run a striker build and im using overdogs. What if i switch overdogs with striker gloves and fox prayer instead of knee strike. Isnt better ?

What i should use to make my dps higher. Since overdogs doesn't work with all enemy

[soft crane]

Use Tinkerer mask.

[spring hull]

Tinkerer still bugged with prototype

[calm summit]

Can you please explain. Because i dont have any proto. Was weap. I have lexi and rock and roll

[dreamy flume]

4x striker, salvo unit alloys, and contractors gloves full red with a military MK46(frenzy), i feel like I'm doing extreamly little damage. got full red build any tips? ❤️

[soft crane]

Replace your Salvo holster with striker holster. Then your striker chest piece with another named unit alloy brand called Equalizer. Talent is perfect Obliterate.

[soft crane]

Tinkerer mask allows you to use 2 talents from your weapons. It cannot be exotic or named weapons.

[dreamy flume]

Thanks, I will try this ❤️

[calm summit]

Yeah i have lexi and rock and roll 🙁

[soft crane]

It has to be the same type of weapon as well.

Lexington and Rock N Roll are obviously named weapons as I mentioned earlier.

[calm summit]

Yeah thats why i said i cannot use it 😄

[soft crane]

Then use something else if you cant utilize Overdogs potential.

[livid sorrel]

Overdogs is already a good enough buff even if you don't pay attention
You can use Coyote

[soft crane]

or Tinkerer

[placid stag]

Consider sadist instead of frenzy for the mk46.
Got your crit chance higher than 50?

[noble pelican]

Yea, it's time to just exclude Div2 content on social media in general.

[flint arch]

technically discord is social media

[weak quail]

Pair it with visionario and you are cookin—/shot

[noble pelican]

Correct.

[minor grove]

I love this comment 🤣 we just gonna skip over it lol

[rich jackal]

Hey guys.. so, I officially don't understand the hype over lexington! please if someone could clarify I'd appreciate it
so I'm 4 week old in TD2 , In the past, I played division 1 around 10 years ago but I have some faint memory of the LVOA-C (twin look) since I was a healer mainly I didn't use it but, trying lexington here, this makes no sense it's prescribed in so many top tier builds.
These tests were made killing 5~6 each on named targets, weapons mostly have DTTOOC, as x4 striker, overdogs & equalizer
It is literally the worst gun between all those variants and even the other high-ends deal similar or better dmg.
What am I missing?

[soft crane]

First of all, dont use shooting range because its inaccurate af according to most people here. And second, its a unique Police M4 with a different model.

It has around +1.7K damage built into the stats.

[livid sorrel]

like, a lot
for starters, the shooting range isn't reliable for anything beyond getting individual shot numbers
this sheet tells you why lex is good
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1whUO7xqWgskFS5hFn-zSZNiPyllbNN6NcHAFbTOPWVY/edit?usp=drivesdk

[dusky spade]

I use a drone and riot shield, with a focus on armor, what are decent talents to use for a Lexington?

[livid sorrel]

Killer for solo, Measured for groups

[dusky spade]

What about Streamline?

Also what are the ideal attachments for it?

[livid sorrel]

Not that big of a buff unless you're not running reds for some reason.

CHC and CHD attachments to get you to a decent ratio, after that it's up to preference

[rich jackal]

This is much more complex than i can understand, but I guess since u guys agree that shooting range is useless, i will take it out to the real world and test, thanks.

[brittle drift]

So apparently people on higjer escalation tiers use mk46 with frenzy talent. Striker with backpack and chest. I'm thinking why not tipping scales? Striker with chest doing more damage than tipping?

I'm only doing tier 2 in a group and often I get biggest damage with pakhan and tipping even though I use ceska chest with unbreakable and overdogs

[urban latch]

Striker with chest does more damage and is easier to maintain stacks, especially in higher tier escalation

[brittle drift]

I wanted to try it but you need to reload from empty for frenzy to work. And a lot of times reloading whenever you need to is better than from empty

[slate basin]

As you go up escalation levels, Enemy health and armor signifigantly increase, making keeping 200 Stacks of Strikes more realistic, and when at 200 stacks of strikers, it is ~23% stronger than fully ramped tipping scales.

[brittle drift]

Oh this sounds interesting. What other gear would you use for this setup?

[slate basin]

You can setup Frenzy in advance of combats in most cases, it takes a while to get used to not habitually reload whenever you get a chance to but Frenzy boost is a signifigant boost.

[gaunt chasm]

do i use the proto instead of the normal one ?

[urban latch]

It's just something you get used to. I use a lex as a backup weapon so that I can clear the last few ads of each encounter and keep my mk46 on empty to end the encounter so it's ready for the start of the next one. Felt awkward at first, but I'm used to it now

[brittle drift]

So basically since mk46 is not exotic I could use Elmo

[urban latch]

Yeah. Elmo's an alright option. Lex is stronger, and since it's high end it can be prototyped and be another augment source, so that's more ideal.

[slate basin]

I've seen 4pc Strikers with mix of Tinkerer's(Without Prototypes)/Hollow Man/Overdogs/Contractors Gloves/Fox's Prayer depending on what people have avaivable and what specific things they want to focus towards.

[bright hill]

I use Striker with overdogs and an equalizer chest piece

[brittle drift]

So your mk46 is weapon damage, dttooc and?

[slate basin]

CHC

[urban latch]

Chc

[brittle drift]

Cool

[brittle drift]

Proto equalizer?

[hallow arch]

Is Coyote mask a good fix for terrible CHC/CHD? Like a bandaid solution lol

[bright hill]

Ideally, but I dont' have that yet

I'm not level 30 expertise, I haven't been able to convert any pieces yet

[brittle drift]

Today is the chance 😃

[slate basin]

The 200 stack strikesrs is very content dependant, if enemies don't live long enough Equalizer is a decent bit stronger variant of Strikers.

[bright hill]

I saw!

[soft crane]

Kind of. If you're wearing Coyote, your crit chance should be 50%.

[bright hill]

The good shit always happens when I have plans... I have family visiting starting today. God damnit! haha

[slate basin]

Equalizer being roughly equilevant to 135 stacks of Strikers

or rather when at 100 Strikers stacks with Perfect Obliterate from Equalizer*

[versed summit]

135 seems rather low. last I checked it was closer to 150

[astral lintel]

Hey guys, I recently got access back to my account that had a level 30 character from when the game launched - what do yall recommend doing in order to get back into the game??

[slate basin]

May have been higher, but it still beat Tipping scales at max ramp was what I was calculating at time.

[soft crane]

Level 40 Starter Guide and yee yee ahh strikers

You can get to level 40 without WONY dlc now.

[astral lintel]

Oh thank you for those guides - is it worth it to just run around and do random things to get to level 40 or is there some kind of best xp farm?

[livid sorrel]

control points

[flint arch]

just do random shit really, you'll reach 40 pretty quickly

[soft crane]

Best exp farm is national bond armory classified assignment if you have it. Otherwise just farm control points.

[flint arch]

how much xp does NBA even give at level 30

[soft crane]

And here Iam struggling to reach 40 in Resurgence cuz theres a daily bonus exp limit.

[astral lintel]

funnily enough I did complete that by chance xd

[soft crane]

Cant get to level 40 in a day.

[livid sorrel]

Ah, classic mobile game shenanigans

[soft crane]

Overall gameplay is more similar to Div1 as well. So many bullet sponges.

[slate basin]

Ok relooking at (and redoing) my math I did some stupid mistakes so Perfect Obliterate is infact roughly equilevant of 50 additional Strikers stacks once at 100 stacks.

[misty walrus]

Does prototyped cloak increase threat reduce?

[tacit parrot]

Can The Courier HB backpack drop naturally with skill tier core?

[slate basin]

No

[tacit parrot]

so i just gotta get lucky and have one drop with 2 sub yellows to recalibrate main core? oof

[slate basin]

Unfortunately yes

[tacit parrot]

rough

[soft crane]

🤦‍♂️

[livid sorrel]

Your mistake was going on facebook

[soft crane]

Is Cherry Blossom listed in this spreadsheet?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1whUO7xqWgskFS5hFn-zSZNiPyllbNN6NcHAFbTOPWVY/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[livid sorrel]

No, and it's not getting updated anyway unless someone else takes over

[obtuse shoal]

Really contemplating on upgrading to a Series X …

[calm summit]

Guys im kinda new with this proto gear. How do i change/upgrade one of this attributes? Or is not possible? How do i max them ?

[gaunt chasm]

is the left one better or should i keep the right one because more weapon dmg ?

[rich cosmos]

If ya got the money to spare for it no reason not to upgrade

Just don’t buy it if its not important

[lone glacier]

Can't change anything on proto gear but the Augment

[rich cosmos]

Left one

[calm summit]

Lol what a bullshit. :)) So you cant even optimize?

[gaunt chasm]

alright thanks

[lone glacier]

Nothing. Just rerolling the Augment

[calm summit]

Damn

[obtuse shoal]

I have the money it’s just like $600 for a game system?! My wife wants to get my series s since she still have a Xbox one 😂🤦🏾‍♂️

[livid sorrel]

Left is better imo

[calm summit]

That means you gotta become no lifer and farm over and over again and pray at rngessus to drop a gear with perfect rolls

[lone glacier]

or upgrade it yourself

[calm summit]

Yeah upgrade manually is the best way. Thanks

[rich cosmos]

My personal take is that series S is not worth the money, too weak of a console imo nowadays in comparison to all the other next gens

[gaunt chasm]

ill use the left one thank you

[calm summit]

I was just curious i thought its possible somehow

[obtuse shoal]

Was thinking this as well especially with the upcoming releases like GTA 6 for example… if we ever get it 😒

[rich cosmos]

Id suggest waiting longer to see if they announce a release date on the next xbox or the steam machine

[obtuse shoal]

Right, but on another note I’m loving this tipping scales build. Nope not sharing pics to get critique lmao. I’m just trying to get that god rolled pestilence

I’ll ask one thing though. What’s the sweet spot for cd, cc, and hd? Please don’t tell me 200+ for cd/hd

[soft crane]

Hd? As in headshot damage?

For crit chance just need to get as close to 60%.

[livid sorrel]

headshot builds and crit builds are separate things, crit builds want 55-60 chc and as much chd as possible, headshot builds just want hsd

[flint arch]

general rule is to just get 60% CHC and dump the rest of your attributes into CHD

if you're not doing a headshot build, HSD is pointless

[obtuse shoal]

Ahhh thank you my dumb ass building around hsd…. So chc and chd got it

I’m a idiot smh time to reconfigure and farm for more pieces 🤦🏾‍♂️

[flint arch]

if you're running a gear set w/ an exotic gear piece (not weapon) your CHD will likely end up somewhere at 110% or something

unless i screwed something up on my old pgc striker overdogs build

also, Tipping Scales gives you a shit ton of CHD

[obtuse shoal]

Welp time to farm some more pieces 🤦🏾‍♂️

[vernal wing]

On Razorback:
is 200 stack striker with maxed Ravenous, DCH Regulus
more damage than
HE Punch Drunk, Habsburg gloves, Foxes Prayer, The Gift, and Maxed stacks Chainkiller DCH Regulus?

[abstract bridge]

Hello guys. Because escalation meta is striker frenzy-LMG, I searched for some other for some solo/duo heroic content. What is better with Pestilence? Negotiator dilemma or Vile+Ongoing directive?

[hallow arch]

Striker w/ Firewall

[lone wadi]

you should have 1-2 mods swapped to crit chance

[hallow arch]

I was about to say smth about Coyote's mask doing that for me but I usually shoot at around mid-close range so yeah maybe I should

[lone wadi]

ye thing is with coyotes is that sometimes its hard controlling which buff you get, which is why it's recommended to aim for 50 without any buffs

[hallow arch]

Which slots should I replace with CHC though

[lone wadi]

a mod slot ideally, weapon or gear

[teal ibex]

very short qeustion.
was doing countdown.
saw a guy 3-4 hit with longhorn (Exp 10) rest basic no expertise. wolf included

is this even possible??? <<< aka meaning is he hacking or not

[lone wadi]

also another thing is idk if youre maxed out on chc on shd watch yet

[hallow arch]

Yup, maxed out

CHD too

[lone wadi]

oh sweet, makes things easier then

[hallow arch]

Here's the new stats, literally just replaced the firewall grip with laser pointer

[lone wadi]

looks awesome

[hallow arch]

Yeah, unfortunately I still don't have a maxed out mod yet, cloest I ever had was 11.7 on a CHD mod

[lone wadi]

i feel you on that, im abotu 800 hours in and i still only have 1 maxed chd mod, no chc or hsd

[hallow arch]

lolll, I swear everyone is just lucky except me, glad I'm not alone 😭

At least this build's gonna get me through heroic lol

[unborn cove]

why did i get death threats in conflict for this garbage

[hybrid olive]

Because it's not good

[unborn cove]

i just top fragged though against shds higher than me

[hybrid olive]

Ur better off using anything else for the backpack piece

Instead of ninja bike

[vernal wing]

Kinda the whole point of the gun

[teal ibex]

bruh. even with that much stacks. and build. a hunter in 3-4 shots? really? i highly doubt it

[solar sable]

exploit

[teal ibex]

as in how?

gotta mention tho he wasnt using his scope

[solar sable]

can't say, exploit discussions aren't allowed

[teal ibex]

well fair point. is it new or something? because it looked genuinely like a hack at some point. extraction was cleared in like 30secs due this. idk the name of him but its honestly really not fun.

[amber mortar]

I saw sadist is pretty high on that spread sheet for Lexington , is there a reason behind this I feel like I’m missing something

[solar sable]

it has been around since the release of an item so, nope, and yeah that exploit makes tons of funky shit

[solar sable]

wdym?

[teal ibex]

well i guess its my first encounter with it. more like i asked die the facted ur matchmaked with him. and i dont really.like to be banned for his doings

[tall hollow]

At what tier is it ideal to start using striker chest?

[patent fossil]

Sadist is only valuable when you're consistently causing bleed, which is basically only on Ongoing Directive builds

[solar sable]

T5+ imo

[teal ibex]

are u btw doomz the YT guy?

[solar sable]

KVD? Nah, I'm the evil KVD. I'm the version who actually says the good stuff with facts and no copy-paste

[teal ibex]

oh oke cool haha. just making sure🤣

[vernal wing]

The status effect talents for weapons are mostly Amplified damage which is a big increase.

They just don’t have 100% uptime unless you completely build around it. Sometimes worth, sometimes not

[amber mortar]

Like it’s a high damage talent above killer , but as I’m thinking it includes the bleed damage and amplification which js why it’s so high

[hexed steppe]

Hey, dont diss on my copy pasta

[amber mortar]

Perfect thanks

[solar sable]

like if I would

[hexed steppe]

-# Mortar Supremacy

[woeful chasm]

You can put on anything for solo heroic and be succesful but if you want to deal good damage and utilize the perk of pestilence use CoCo, equalizer overdogs.
Edit, people will say use glass cannon. I am not an enjoyer of it but you do you.

[livid sorrel]

30% amp is kinda hard to beat

[subtle bluff]

30% is one the highest numbers in talents. How would it include a dot that is an unknown amount ?

[calm nebula]

Hi! To improve to prototype the Lexintong, what do I have to do? I mean, I have prototype cores and expertice 2 with it

[smoky latch]

Once it's prototype you can't change anything on it

And you can't upgrade items to prototype if you're not expertise 30

[calm nebula]

Oh so I have to upgrade to expertise 2 lvl 30 to make it prototype. right?

[urban latch]

Can't*

[smoky latch]

Ty

[smoky latch]

From 2 to 30, yes

[calm nebula]

Damn ar, Expertise 30 is a lot of work! XD

Ar, thank you all! Have a nice day! ❤️

[smoky latch]

You too

[worldly cloak]

interesting what the hell did I do to my build

[unborn cove]

Explode

[ocean wyvern]

seasonal modifier?

I feel like there's some shenanigans that can happen with that

I also think you can get an overflow if you have a bighorn on

[worldly cloak]

fixed itself when I used big alejandro

[grizzled garnet]

heal enemies

[subtle bluff]

Visual bug

[pine oracle]

any high esca refractor build ?

[mortal heath]

Equalizer proto always drops with a skill attribute?

[flint arch]

no, just unlucky

[vernal wing]

Would not even bother. They instakill your drone and your turret alone is not enough to run the build. Better off going Core Strength with Capacitor/Skill tier/ heals or just running Future initiative

[subtle bluff]

Sorry what CS in escalation? They'd do even less.

[smoky latch]

CS also garbo in higher tiers

[subtle bluff]

At +6 the scaling will destory your Turret/Drone rather quick.

[vernal wing]

At least you still heal the team

[smoky latch]

Run FI

[vernal wing]

100%

[subtle bluff]

Before that sure you can run refactor alright

[subtle bluff]

The buff from FI matters more just healing the team isn't that helpful due most of the time just hitting Health Gates is what keeping people alive at first.

[vernal wing]

Is the buff from FI not just 25% weapon damage?

[solar sable]

15% TWD/SD

[vernal wing]

I’m not sold that FI is better than a 4th person doing damage on CS with healing

[subtle bluff]

With Chest 25% Total WD and Total Skill DMG.

[subtle bluff]

OH ya?

Being very blunt. Sorry.

[smoky latch]

30% with FI and Alps chest with Empathic Resolve, no?

[subtle bluff]

Could do more but taking dmg in escalation isn't ideal in general.

[fickle sparrow]

best lmg for escalation (t3) while running ongoing directive? im stuck between pest....carnage...or a gr9 with sadist.....or something else?

[subtle bluff]

Tinkerer Sadist and Frenzy. GR9

[surreal shell]

What the cool down timer of dz supply drops

[fickle sparrow]

@subtle bluff was gonna do coyote mask for another way to help team but i can do tinkerer cheers

[lone glacier]

Not using Tinkerer for OD is just nerfing yourself

[vernal wing]

Someone running FI is either on Birdies or Setup. Setup I could see, but I usually need to run birdies for teammates dying.

[subtle bluff]

You're DPS you'll do with Fenzy will out do the small buff from Coyote.
Do remember at higher tiers OD will not work.

[fickle sparrow]

and which 1 is main weapon? im guessing sadist?

[subtle bluff]

Explain how ANYTHING else would beat FI in healing.

[subtle bluff]

Here's the things really anyone can run birdies but also currently with modifiers and if players are good enough they can keep them self up with Rez hive and OC themselves it down to 30-45s CD for it.

[subtle bluff]

Primary Frenzy
2nd Sadist

Keep Primary empty/always empty, run around with 2nd till you're ready to sit and DPS.

[fickle sparrow]

@subtle bluff soz what do you mean empty? you mean with 1 bullet or near? as if its empty it ll reload lol

[subtle bluff]

switch off of it so you don't reload it..

[vernal wing]

4 people doing damage is more than 3 people doing damage. Even if it were fully multiplicative, you would still be down 25% damage compared to just having a 4th dps.

[fickle sparrow]

ok so near empty i got you ty

[smoky latch]

@patent fossil hijacked acc

[subtle bluff]

And that goes back to my point I've already said too...

But really you wanna math it?

[vernal wing]

Yes

[subtle bluff]

Yes you want the math or yes we're on the same book?

what's the DPS this "CS" build?

I don't do anything with CS because I know everything else can do w/e it wants better.

[fickle sparrow]

with ongoing D will hollow points renew on an enemy i hit but dont deal the finishing blow?

[vernal wing]

Capacitor
6 skill/yellow core
Gunner
All skill haste/skill repair

[subtle bluff]

Get me the DPS number. The correct number.

[thorny lichen]

@restive mulch

[vernal wing]

Birdies and Alps gloves

[fickle sparrow]

il take that as a no lol sure i seen a convo other day were someone said its worth spraying targets to keep hollow points going but il take it as i need to do the kill ty

[vernal wing]

You want the buggy firing range number or me to sit down on a spreadsheet and write a formula?

[subtle bluff]

LOL there soo many bad things with this build.

[subtle bluff]

Just get me the DPS number

the correct one that isn't from the range.... use the calc that's in the pin

[subtle bluff]

Read OD..

[vernal wing]

I’ll be online in 2 hours, will do calcs then

[restive mulch]

Thank you

[smoky latch]

I’m not sold that FI is better than a 4th person doing damage on CS with healing

it's true

[subtle bluff]

There's a lot bad things about that build.

[vernal wing]

Mathematically it is factually not true

[thorny lichen]

tell it to someone; who cares.

[restive mulch]

🙁

[vernal wing]

Setup is the difference maker

[subtle bluff]

I'll get you the math just 4 dps and 4 and 3 FI.
The reason I know this because of Incursions.

[smoky latch]

CS doesn't contribute much, better off buffing your team to do more damage

[subtle bluff]

Too much going on give me a min here to get to you

[restive mulch]

Do you have 1 build for heroic mod ?

[smoky latch]

Not matter how often you put the limbs on Mr. Potatohead to play mix 'n match with CS, FI is much more valuable

[restive mulch]

Dps build

[smoky latch]

What build??

[vernal wing]

Don’t see the calculator in pins

[restive mulch]

1 build for the ouroboros in difficulty heroic

[smoky latch]

That SMG is not worth building around, just use it with Striker's or Hunter's Fury perhaps

If you check the first pinned message in this channel you'll see a link to a google doc, it's a spreadsheet with a lot of useful info and build suggestions

[restive mulch]

I’m not english lmao my lvl is bad

[smoky latch]

www.deepl.com - good translator :p

[restive mulch]

Hhhhhhhh thank you

[hybrid leaf]

BRUH. I made a tipping scales (escalation focused) build last night... I only just now found out about the Frenzy talent.... My GR9 with seasonal mods had from memory something like 426 bullets per magazine......

Would I really get +126% damage and +126% RoF in my second magazine!?

I've been using tinkerer as well... secondary talent measured so the first half of that second magazine will fire so damn fast wtf I can't wait to get home and try this lol

[solar sable]

is it focused to T4 and below?

[hybrid leaf]

Ohhhh it only lasts 5sec lol

[solar sable]

frenzy lasts for 9 seconds

[hybrid leaf]

oh does it?

Wiki says 5s

[solar sable]

For every 10 (8) bullets in the magazine capacity, gain +3% rate of fire and +3% weapon damage for 9s when reloading from empty.

[hybrid leaf]

highest I farm is T5... Usually run strikers but just a bit bored of it

[solar sable]

TS in T5 is going to struggle a bit in all honesty

[hybrid leaf]

Yeah? What is META for higher tiers?

I've been very happy with my striker build tbh. 1.3m crits with my lexington or Elmo

[solar sable]

that wiki is outdated, dont use it anymore
there's a pinned Spreadsheet in this channel with updated stuff

[solar sable]

in the same Spreadsheet I mentioned look for Strikers setups and see the last three setups in it

[hybrid leaf]

❤️

I need to get equalizer chest

took me so long to perfect my ceska chest haha i love it

[solar sable]

you can keep it but for T5+ you need Strikers chest

[hybrid leaf]

oh ok i've got one

Been a long time since I used it haha

How would my weapon setup change? Keep AR but add lefty?

[solar sable]

it barely had any use outside of raids and incursion so it's great to have it for something else

[subtle bluff]

@vernal wing
Here base math.
Do you think CS can make up this amount?
(TBH I think I have this wrong off the top of my head)

TTK is scale to 4 man leggo Elite.

4x13=52 or 3x16=44
Didn't even add any DTH, Overdogs, Sledge/DTA procs. It'd go a bit crazier.

[solar sable]

nah, lefty is a nono I'd say
use Scorpio as a backup

The setup I use bc I don't have Hollow Man is 4pc Strikers + Overdogs + Fox's
It's not optimal in any sense but it kinda works until I get Hollow Man

[hybrid leaf]

I'm really quite excited to use strikers chest tbh hahaha

Another +90% damage?

I've been running +magazine size from seasonal mods so it'll be not too hard to maintain stacks

but now the question is do I run overdogs or tinkerers

[solar sable]

overdogs ftw
you can kill rushers a lot more quickly to get some threat off

[subtle bluff]

I don't normally do this but@storm plinth Why DM me about the topic that's being talk about here.. If you're lurking already then read all the context.

[subtle bluff]

Magazine size isn't the first answer to most things.

[hybrid leaf]

what would you prefer for escalation? PFE?

[solar sable]

pure dmg is preferred

there are less elites than you might think

[subtle bluff]

escalation is heroic just scaled up.

[solar sable]

800% health yeah hell naw

[hybrid leaf]

Soooo weapon efficiency? haha

[subtle bluff]

Striker Chest is only used when you can either pre-stack (smartly/safely) or you are fighting and shooting a lot.

Which in escalation once you get high enough things are just huge bullet sponges.

[hybrid leaf]

Indeed.

[solar sable]

the answer is always
DTTooC > CHC > RoF > DTH=DTA > DTA

BUT in Escalation DTH is BiS

that's why Hollow Man, when prototyped, is the best mask for high tier Escalations

it was what? 25% DTH?

[hybrid leaf]

interesting. never heard of it lol

still only 17% expertise so my proto arsenal is limited to what I can find during esc missions T.T I've still yet to find any single piece that I'm willing to swap in to my build

[solar sable]

mine is at 11% so... I just bother gathering proto cores until then

[hallow zephyr]

Someone please help me to build my stuff

[solar sable]

what is it?

[hallow zephyr]

I just hit level 40 n idk what im doing

[solar sable]

Lvl40 Starters Guide

[alpine wigeon]

How many Blue Cores should I run with a Heartbreaker build?

[solar sable]

at least 4

[smoky latch]

Make it seven, including NBB /s

[hallow zephyr]

I love yu

[fickle sparrow]

@subtle bluff you said earlier for a tinkerer gr9 one D build to hold the frenzy gr9 at near zero until ready to dps BUT when you do the weapon switch it comes back fully reloaded🤷‍♂️

[hallow zephyr]

Ouu whats blue core 👀

[subtle bluff]

Switch faster off.

[subtle bluff]

21

[solar sable]

you have to switch before you hear the second click from the mag

[solar sable]

armor cores

[subtle bluff]

You can leave at lower amount bullets so you can trigger the reload on your own too

[solar sable]

"what's 9+10?"

[hallow zephyr]

Ohh is that what makes the players that level 1000 have a million white armors ?

[fickle sparrow]

is switch faster a setting? soz i dont know what you mean by switch faster off

[solar sable]

shd level doesnt matter

[civic meteor]

Gang what kind of damage do ya’ll do

[solar sable]

swap weapons faster

[civic meteor]

A shot with full stacks and everything

[ocean wyvern]

no, it means swap faster during the reload animation, there's a way to holster the LMG with 0 bullets but the timing is finnicky, even moreso the more reload speed you have

[solar sable]

what's your build?

[ocean wyvern]

you pretty much swap off as soon as the mag hits 0

[fickle sparrow]

oh so i dont leave say 3 bullets in the mag...iu should literally swap while its reloading? il go test

[ocean wyvern]

it's situational

[solar sable]

you can do that too but you have to empty your mag to get Frenzy up

[fickle sparrow]

yeh i see it working after test ...it comes back and auto reloads and straight into frenzy ty

[civic meteor]

Strikers

Bc im getting 600k to 1 mil on crits

[solar sable]

what pieces and what stats?

[hallow zephyr]

So the armor chest peice gives yu alot of little white amor things?

[civic meteor]

Just asking what yall get so I can get a estimate of what I should strive for

[solar sable]

my man, how can I get your estimate if you dont tell me what pieces and stats you have? There are several strikers setups out there

I can think of at least 7 different setups

[civic meteor]

Well it doesn’t matter what set up I use I can mix and match I’m just curious what other people get bc I feel like I’m underperforming

I posted in here yesterday just curious about what yall get

[solar sable]

with Equalizer + Overdogs + Iron Lung, around 1.2mil crits IIRC

[ocean wyvern]

That reminds me of a curiosity

[civic meteor]

Ohh ok

[civic meteor]

Is that full reds?

[ocean wyvern]

Why is Iron Lung popular with Strikers?

[solar sable]

as usual

[solar sable]

amazing crit and built in CC

[ocean wyvern]

Makes absolute sense

[ocean wyvern]

Pretty much 97-99% of DPS builds are solid red

[subtle bluff]

tbh isn't not popular because most players don't see the vision.

[lone glacier]

Iron Lung is so good for what it does

[subtle bluff]

even when sharing this clip people gloss over Iron Lung.

[ocean wyvern]

I've given it a bit of testing and I like it, the 85 mag just feels so awkward to gauge my reloads, but other than that skill issue, I was rather fond of it

[flint arch]

not pvgc striker, 0/10

[grim bluff]

Iron Lung just feels really nice to shoot, for a gun that shoots fire it's extremely chill

[subtle bluff]

sir this over a year ago

[solar sable]

these pvgc addicts nowadays... smh...

[ocean wyvern]

I feel like pvgc striker is like crack cocaine

[solar sable]

I'm in love with the cocoa.

[ocean wyvern]

it makes you feel really good while you use it, and unless you have a saint's will, your friends watch it kill you and you die a bit inside each time

yes @flint arch I know you've sent BTSU Team 9 to my house

[lone glacier]

You sayin' smt?

[solar sable]

who? me? I would never

[obtuse shoal]

The blue screen is decent as well 🥰

[ocean wyvern]

Bluescreen I love on ND

[mystic quiver]

does the requirement for a flawless incursion round count any and all downs or just full deaths?

[solar sable]

no downs

[hybrid leaf]

next question

[mystic quiver]

gotcha thanks

[hybrid leaf]

Does Lexington work with tinkerer?

[solar sable]

@subtle bluff was it no downs or no deaths? or was no downs perfect flawless?

[hybrid leaf]

should I use tinkerer with my strikers DPS build (strikers chest)

[solar sable]

oh, so flawless is no deaths then

[mystic quiver]

Tinkerer's will only work with unnamed items (so in this case not lex). It should workw ith prototypes but they havent patched that

[strong cave]

No. Tink doesn't work with exo or named items. And weirdly, prototype still

[subtle bluff]

Flawless = No Downs
P. Flawless = No Downs + No kits

[hybrid leaf]

hmmmm what AR's would you use with Tink haha

[strong cave]

I ran tactical MK16 w/ measured and killer on my setups

[solar sable]

Police M4/Carbine 7
you choose
as long as it has 790+ RPM

[ocean wyvern]

I'm a sucker for a Famas/M4 Combo

[strong cave]

Tickle the Tactical MK16 w/ Measured. It slaps

The accuracy at range will thank you. I dare say it's more accurate than Lexington. With measured it'll shoot nearly as fast as default lex (w/striker)

[hybrid leaf]

Which talents hehe

measured and....?

[strong cave]

As mentioned, measured on the MK16. Your secondary will be any with killer

Famas would be acceptable secondary

[solar sable]

i thought Killer needed to be on main (?)

[flint arch]

enilmaerts

[hybrid leaf]

Killer even for team of four high tier escalation?

[strong cave]

Tinkerer. So shouldn't matter the order. Unless THATS bugged too

[solar sable]

my spider-sense is tingling

[strong cave]

What are you smoking and can I have it?

[ocean wyvern]

for streamline, do skills in use count as off cooldown?

[limpid orchid]

does tinker's work with prototypes yet

[strong cave]

Yes

[ocean wyvern]

rip healing drone

[smoky latch]

The text is wrong/incomplete. Talent is not active when skills are active or on cooldown

[strong cave]

Use skill = talent goes away
Skill cooldown = talent goes away
Anything skill usage = talent says goodbye

Streamlined sucks. Really only good in pvp for pure DPS pixel peeking

[ocean wyvern]

yeah, I reread it, and it specifies deployed

[hybrid leaf]

measured + optimist?

or strained?

[solar sable]

IIRC Killer has to be on main and not on secondary

I tried before but idrk

[ocean wyvern]

with striker, I'd say optimist over strained

[buoyant mulch]

measured or killer..

[solar sable]

Back & Forth

lol

[hybrid leaf]

I run measured with a team, killer when solo

[buoyant mulch]

i dunno if i really feel like swapping all the time so maybe i'll just run measured all the time?

measured always works so..

[merry flax]

Hello ! I started to play pretty recently and usually play mostly solo and full glasscanon stricker... i'm trying to create a simple 2nd setup arround the Refractor set, i tried to find info but got a bit lost since it seems that there is a lot of variations... Would you have any advise plz ? Like what skill to use ? Exotic ? full skill tiers/skill damage or balance ? etc
Thank you

[ocean wyvern]

The skills seem fine (striker drone and assault turret), are you looking for this to be a group focused build or more solo focused?

I'd recommend technician specialization for the free +1 skill tier to get you to tier 6

[hybrid leaf]

First Bloom talent only works while using first bloom right? I see a lot of people with it sitting inactive in their secondary slot

[ocean wyvern]

Could just be proficiency farming? I've been doing that on a lot of stuff while I'm trying to finish expertise

[solar sable]

yeah, Tinkerer doesn't work with Named weapons or Exotics

[merry flax]

Oh thx, good one ! i didn't even think about it at all !

[ocean wyvern]

It may be a personal choice, but I think swapping the gloves from shiny monkey to Hana-U might be worthwhile for the skill haste, since the 2 things you want are skill damage and skill haste

[grizzled loom]

Is refactor better than FI+btsu datagloves

[ocean wyvern]

For strictly healing, absolutely not

[normal shadow]

They perform different functions IMO.

[grizzled loom]

So like refactor is better if you wanna deal damage?

[merry flax]

i will look into it thx

[ocean wyvern]

I'd say so, Refactor to me is a skill build with a healing side effect, FI+BTSU is a dedicated healing build and isn't expected to be doing a ton of damage

[merry flax]

i think it just just more versatil... refractor can be played as solo or as a grp support, but isnt specifically oriented in one or the other

[grim bluff]

Chest and backpack for Refactor if you're soloing, the gear set chestpiece isn't needed imo. If you're in a group, as someone suggested t'other day a Hana-U chest with Empathic Resolve is good too

[shut kindle]

These stats ok?

[grim bluff]

More damage means more healing anyway, so the slight boost on heal % isn't making a big difference

[merry flax]

i quickly made some modifications, i dunno if the Ninja BP worth it but i dont really have a lot of choice for now 😄

[ocean wyvern]

imo, ninjabike isn't necessary, the alps was a better choice

[grim bluff]

You just gotta keep grinding for the refactor gloves and kneepads with skill damage on so you can recalibrate the armour to skill tier

[ocean wyvern]

the stats seem fine, what's your gear looking like?

[shut kindle]

Let me post it bit by bit you can see if i can iomprove at all

[ocean wyvern]

I mean I'm guessing the pieces are all red with CHC/CHD

[ocean wyvern]

Oh lord, it's prototyped gear, you should be perfectly fine

[merry flax]

except for the skill damage attribute, it wasnt so good... i thing the healing bonus line don't affect the refraction

[shut kindle]

Anything I should change? sorry it took a min

[merry flax]

wth oO

[ocean wyvern]

I'm not sure why striker chest, but beyond that, you shouldn't have any trouble

and if it's for like super high tier escalations, that's way out of my knowledge

[shut kindle]

it is

they have so much health I always have maxed striker stacks, so it seemed better imho

[ocean wyvern]

Then ignore my previous comment, chest makes absolute sense for that

jesus, I just saw the total wpn dmg

[shut kindle]

yeah its ok

[subtle bluff]

You do not need to post this if you just follow the CHC CHD rule.

[subtle bluff]

The easy thing is just Striker is good for Incursion and Escalation.

[buoyant mulch]

those stats hit like crack im ngl

[shut kindle]

Well I wanted a full picture in terms of if anyone suggested I swap out gear pieces. For instance should I be on the lookout for grupo instead of contractors? Maybe the hollow man? Maybe salvo? Idk, I'm open to ideas

[subtle bluff]

Again striker guide cover all of this

[shut kindle]

Idk, says WIP for prototype, cause the stats are different and the enemies are different than usual, wasn't sure if the meta was different for high end esc

Anyway, my point stands if anyone has ideas to make it better please lmk, I can change it and get back to you

[ocean wyvern]

for general purpose content (heroic open world and legendary missions), would equalizer + salvo be a reasonable setup vs. Overdogs?

[junior lagoon]

yeah for sure.

[ocean wyvern]

I know overdogs is the meta choice and is the higher damage, but I keep trying to play around overdogs and it's irking me

[lone glacier]

you dont have to force yourself to target the specific enemy to get the amp..

[signal rune]

should damage to armor or health damage be on my lmg

[smoky latch]

CHC

[ocean wyvern]

I feel like DtA and DtH have places on LMGs

Personally, I go DtA just because that's usually the worst part to get through

[onyx sage]

dth and chc

dta would have a better place if the percentage of armor you have to damage is that big... but it really isn't

a lot more enemies have health than armor (chungas, skill proxies, warhounds, etc. all have health only)

[ocean wyvern]

this is why I come to the advice channel 😅

[onyx sage]

you'll feel right at home. no worries

[woeful peak]

without saying umbra is bad, how is the build looking now?

dw still looking for the right rolls on the backpack

[onyx sage]

looks fine

[ocean wyvern]

I don't understand the playstyle of UI

[woeful peak]

its just cover to cover bouncing, you have to take cover eventually anyways

[ocean wyvern]

ah so it's a cover based setup

[woeful peak]

yeah, so pretty much you build up stacks in cover and when you leave cover you have high crit damage and ROF

[ocean wyvern]

or like cover and C2C based rather

Seems like a pretty fundamental playstyle

[woeful peak]

yeah, it gets flak because its keeping up the stacks can be hard (because strikers exist)

but good news, when you burn stacks, you get armor regen the next time you hit cover

[onyx sage]

not really the reason for the flak

its peak is just not up there mainly being the reason

[woeful peak]

compared to?

[onyx sage]

striker ofc

[woeful peak]

thought so 🙄

[ocean wyvern]

I feel like that's a playstyle that should get a very fulfilling reward more than just crit and RoF and armor regen

[onyx sage]

just clarifying, not telling you to run that instead

it is really good in pvp tho

because you don't have to build up based on hits like striker

[woeful peak]

i know, its just striker is so heavily used, i just cant

[onyx sage]

just know that at the top end of speedrun metas striker is rarely used

[woeful peak]

it could use a buff i wont lie, but it shreds

[onyx sage]

nego and headhunter's fury are the main contenders

[ocean wyvern]

striker isn't for speed, it's for QoL

[onyx sage]

yeah, it's just so easy to use

[ocean wyvern]

HHF with shottys?

[woeful peak]

yeah, but i respect those, cause you actually need to hit heads

[onyx sage]

HHF with shotgun and reggy

escalation goes back to striker tho

[ocean wyvern]

I'm actually watching one of my clanmates put a solid breaking point build together

[woeful peak]

reggy is what im building for rn, just need to do the raid a few times

[ocean wyvern]

MDR + CM1A kinda goes crazy

[woeful peak]

im looking for the gift backpack

but i pretty much have the build together, might swap for the sacrifice to 1 tap hunters tho

[ocean wyvern]

I'm assuming that's contractor's gloves?

[woeful peak]

yuppers

and foxes prayer knees, the crutches of high end gear

[delicate hill]

since proto skill tiers are 1.5 could you get more damage out of capacitor with stacking cores on top of that still?

[onyx sage]

no, it's capped to 6 skill tiers (yes even to capacitor)

[delicate hill]

dang thought i could squeeze 10 in with 6 protos and tech spec lol

[woeful peak]

the alt-reality where cap is the meta

[onyx sage]

pvp xD

[delicate hill]

core str with all skill tiers

[ocean wyvern]

aka alt-reality lol

[woeful peak]

oh yeah, core strength

🥶

[ocean wyvern]

ngl, Tier 10 skills would be kinda terrifying

[onyx sage]

we don't know how devs would scale it up tho

[delicate hill]

im in an escalation rn with 2 people running HW with cluster seekers and its already screwing my graphics and audio i dont think the game could hand much more lol

[onyx sage]

every tier has explicit scalings

[ocean wyvern]

I imagine current overcharged skills would be equivalent to like tier 7 or 8, tier 9-10 would probably be approx. 175-200% t6 skill efficiency equivalent?

[vernal wing]

Core Strength is so unbelievably awful I scrapped every piece of my build. 2 Mil burst

[rich cosmos]

Thats a massive over reaction

[urban latch]

It's pretty terrible in pve

[vernal wing]

It is not.

[vernal wing]

My striker is 16 mil

[delicate hill]

but they are totally different niches am i wrong?

[subtle bluff]

Striker Chest with Frenzy to be specific.

[subtle bluff]

what are?

[delicate hill]

comparing core strength to strikers

[subtle bluff]

Striker is THE meta.

CS is... trying to be a Jack of All Trade but barely does it.

[delicate hill]

so striker would be a DPS and core strength is a flex build those are different? its comparing apples to oranges basically imo

[hybrid pelican]

Would b fine if ppl didnt try and bring core into dps content

[delicate hill]

thats on the people then

[lone glacier]

That's on the content creators that are uploading videos that are clickbait and to be brutally honest, shit

[delicate hill]

thats unfortunately the world we got now especially after warzone came out everyone trying to get the clicky meta builds on tiktok and youtube

[subtle bluff]

CS is trying to be a focus Hybrid build.

We can build better than it.

[rich cosmos]

I still think the worst thing about cs is the weapon handling in its bonuses

That handling is doing nothing for the set

[teal heron]

soo i need help getting the Exotic mask Investor. is there a way to get the Blueprint or do i need to farm it by doing Countdown?

[rich cosmos]

Season track

[delicate hill]

its also in the Sakura Caches rn

[teal heron]

thx for that. didnt know about that

[delicate hill]

ive got like 2-3 of them so far out of those caches

[teal heron]

did it last season but were is the blueprint then to build it? i did try to make some but i cant find the tap to do so

[delicate hill]

its this season so you cant make it yet

i think when they said season track they mean jsut earn it from the pass

[subtle bluff]

hold on.. wait what?
Teach me something since I never sat down to learn much of CS

[delicate hill]

im going for a refractor build since its targeted today... what is recommended?

[silent storm]

Protoing your own Refactor because some of the pieces drop Armor Core

[delicate hill]

thats alot of exotic components i dont have

[silent storm]

Unless you use Mask Chest Holster then I could see farming it but I like Chest to be GC

[delicate hill]

i was thinking of both chest and bag but atleast chest

[silent storm]

Mask Chest Holster will get you 4.5 tiers

[delicate hill]

what exotic would you recommend at that point then?

[silent storm]

then one from either a yellow Knee or Glove + Technician will be 6

[delicate hill]

i thought about ninjabike bag but i use that alot

[silent storm]

Garbage

Use a Skill DMG back like Combined Arms

[rich cosmos]

…??

The 2 and 3 piece bonuses are just really not good

[subtle bluff]

oh that.

[delicate hill]

id have to check i think i have a proto sokolov bag that has that

[subtle bluff]

oh god.. I have unblock him to see what's he's saying..

[rich cosmos]

My take is the 2 piece should be swapped to 15% crit chance and the 3 piece should be bumped up to 8% on all

[subtle bluff]

that would help it

[rich cosmos]

Because at least then the stats are more forgiving to work with

Another think that annoys me, that new exotic mask… why is skill repair the exclusion, that kinda kills it for me

[subtle bluff]

All I read too is that it's BP talent is really bad and it's the one time that NBB out does something else

@delicate hill

Refactor BP, Gloves and Kneel only drop with Armor cores.

[rich cosmos]

Id really just give the bp a tiny bump, I don’t think its as bad as people make it out to be but I think it should at least do SOMETHING else, like, oh you get the skill efficiency stat even if you have a skill tier

Massive really struggles at making endgame items

They are really good at making something unique but never commit to making it just strong enough to be viable

Like measured assembly is almost really good, but it has flaws, like, your team doesn’t actually have an incentive to be near your skills if they just kill grenadiers before they are a problem

Beacon gives you armor regen and skill efficiency but its a red core only chest piece

[delicate hill]

so basically dont use the chest or bag and go for the gloves mask and and holster for the skill tiers from it?

[ocean wyvern]

I kinda wish Div2 had an API you could make apps with

being able to buildcraft without needing to be in game to see all the stats would be so nice

[subtle bluff]

Ya it's that old....

[ocean wyvern]

That's not an excuse to me, a certain other dead looter shooter had the same thing long before Div2

[subtle bluff]

Ya I guess..

[delicate hill]

im sure this will get ripped apart but heres what i had laid out for it

[subtle bluff]

🤢

[delicate hill]

what adjustments do i make to the one above because it has too many skill tiers for proto gear?

[delicate hill]

like this is one i mean

[subtle bluff]

Just don't sweat Proto

Tilll it comes back in loot pool.

[lone glacier]

Also CHC? What for?

[subtle bluff]

Capa is strong.
Have you never seen my hybrid Refactor?

[delicate hill]

it is in loot pool rn thats why im asking about it?

[lone glacier]

But just increasing CHC won't do much, would it?

[subtle bluff]

Oh right it's in Bank DERP...

[subtle bluff]

From 38 or somehting low to 50% is a big jump in DPS

For proto you'd be looking for Mask and Holster with either Skill DMG or CHC imo.

[delicate hill]

lol thats why im grinding bank and DCD today because i want to try and get refractor because my FI build doesnt want to work half the tme

just those 2 peices and then still do force multiplier and impetus?

[subtle bluff]

that the basic one

[delicate hill]

so basically just this

[smoky latch]

One blue core only tho

You have two in this one

Preferably you would use one red core

[delicate hill]

how would i get that in? im going with looted proto gear so i cant loot one and reroll it?

[subtle bluff]

Proto gear can't be reroll or optimized.

[smoky latch]

You farm for the attributes and reroll the core

[delicate hill]

its going to be proto gear so i cant reroll

[smoky latch]

Well I didn't read the messages on top, my bad

[delicate hill]

all good

[civic meteor]

Using the chameleon I can get 20% CHC with headshots, is it worth it for me to go beyond 40%?

[subtle bluff]

No. If you want to do something like treat it like Coyote 50-54%.
2nd Body Proc is MUCH more of a buff than Head Proc

[civic meteor]

Oh I know it basically doubles my damage almost

[subtle bluff]

So the thought is if you're CHC is below 50 it's gonna suck for the first 100 ish shots

[civic meteor]

So keep more CHC over CHD

Even though I’ll go over it with headshots

[civic meteor]

So more CHC got it

[junior lagoon]

i thought red core gear (like unit alloys) gerenally come with red attributes. with proto thuogh they come with alot nonsense

like i am getting a proto salvo but it has skill haste on it

[woeful zodiac]

Is there a good Harrier Pride build?

[gentle lichen]

Not really
Just put it on a striker or something and call it a day

You won't get many benefits from it though unless you stack blue from white house

[woeful zodiac]

What abt First Bloom?

[gentle lichen]

Just use it on a striker
You don't really build around it

[soft crane]

Its just a cheap copy of Memento.

[maiden mason]

Anyone mess around with a grenade build? Is the atomize augment nuts?

[tulip charm]

I dont think anyone has yet since prototype is still too expensive to build an niche grenade build

[lone wadi]

dont think its gonna do much damage either, good for utility on fi for sledge or something tho

[smoky latch]

Depending on the core type the respective attribute roll preferably (Not always obviously).

You're thinking it's more mixed now because you get way less proto drops compared to regular loot. But it's happening with those as well

[river grove]

Hello im looking for a good DPS and Armour build, I have 2 separate builds striker and heartbreaker any suggestions

[maiden mason]

Yea i got it fully built and proto with 6 atomize. 2 grupo, 1 china, fox and contractors. With collector chest. Im just not sure if i should swap something and if i should commit to leveling to 10.

[river grove]

My current build

[lone wadi]

Really depends on your resources and what you find fun. If you’re building purely off of grenade damage I prob wouldn’t recommend it. Maybe could be nice if you main artillery turret and chuck nades on the side or something

Also that level to 10 is gonna be a pain. It’s gonna be like 350 shd levels needed with that build on

[maiden mason]

Its kinda fun in groups nothing can stay in cover lmg gamers can mow them down

Might just commit to leveling it and see if i can one shot t10 red bars lol

[smoky latch]

Can't have both combined really

[open pulsar]

Memento

[river grove]

I just need something that can do damage and good armour

[smoky latch]

DPS wise I'd recommend you Striker's to have a solid one. You can throw memento on if you need some survivability in the beginning

[river grove]

My current build

[smoky latch]

The ultimate goal should be full red no armor

[smoky latch]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16HdKj8x-LlXJCcVPAWNZWIb0SXcQOmAfAh1cHYYsxwI/edit?usp=drivesdk

Read this

[open pulsar]

Striker is best for missions, heartbreaker is best for open world, atleast in my opinion.
When your not in battle you can just switch presets

[river grove]

I do challenging with fog of war so this build is not cutting it

[open pulsar]

Yea maybe use more red cores and go for crit chance and crit damage, you only need 2-3 blue cores on heartbreaker

And maybe an assault rifle with killer

Slap on the pulse laser from technician specilization and heartbreaker goes wild

[river grove]

I can try

[open pulsar]

It pulses enemies you aim at, no headshots needed

[river grove]

But currently im trying to kill this leader of a clan

The clan in question is Outlaw rebels

[open pulsar]

Well you cant really kill him unless you play darkzone or conflict...

[river grove]

Its a girl and their members protect her like a queen there so bad at pvp

[smoky latch]

lol what

[open pulsar]

Use foam on them I guess ?

[river grove]

They put a Xbox gift card on my head for betraying them lol gotta love clans

[open pulsar]

Damn, well unlike gta etc this isnt pvp focused, you'll be alright

[river grove]

Yeah

Well ty

[lunar imp]

what are some of the best ars for a tinkerer striker?

[smoky latch]

I'd recommend LMGs instead. But the same as always, Police M4 e.g.

[lunar imp]

that’s what i’ve been using for escalation wanted to switch it around
I’ve been using the custom p416 should just go for the police m4?

[smoky latch]

Police M4 best overall, better handling

[lunar imp]

how’s the aug and famas?

[soft crane]

Famas is on par with Police M4 yeah

[viscid plaza]

Ctar mogs Famas imo, Police M4 is best overall

[merry stone]

what does more dmg again?? the sacri or equalizer?

[subtle bluff]

PGC

The one with the bigger number

[heady marten]

if you want a good dps and armor build, its a gimmick but run backfire memento with blue cores on your armor and substat crit rolls, requires you to be extremely aggressive with a shield but chunks when you get the flow

[smoky latch]

It's only good when there are HazPro modifiers involved

Otherwise it does not do impressive damage

[heady marten]

are we using the same backfire memento builds

id say the ability to face tank multiple rogue agents on legendary/master and cut them down fast is pretty good

[smoky latch]

Again, it doesn't do impressive damage without modifiers

[river grove]

What midfielders are we talking

[subtle bluff]

Using a Shield isn't face tanking..

You only get the rogue agents on Leggo Summits and the Master Tidal.

[high dagger]

what's a recommended weapon talent for escalation? Lexington usually is ran with 'Killer' but I think it would be unwise for escal where enemies are tougher

[strong cave]

How much?

[viscid plaza]

Measured, Optimist

[viscid plaza]

Strained is more reasonable with the bigger mag modifier

[high dagger]

That makes sense I suppose

[viscid plaza]

and of course you could just run an LMG with Frenzy

[near cipher]

for like 6 red core builds like ongoing directive, or striker, do you need to put some mods like protection from elites, or anything? im playing on normal (800shd lvl), i kill stuff super fast, but i die super fast too.

[strong cave]

No need for PFE or anything. You can actually run 1 or 2 armor cores if needed. It won't hurt your damage too much

[strong charm]

ye i put on 1 blue core an I can survive way better now

[strong cave]

You're playing on normal and still dying?

[viscid plaza]

I figure running PFE mods isn't that bad to do in Legendary as those missions are packed with yellows. In Escalation it is a bit less reasonable

[strong cave]

It's not a bad idea, but at the same time, you're passing up on much needed crit mod slots that are necessary on crit builds (in his case that what he mentioned taking)

[viscid plaza]

If you're wiping a lot on normal you likely need to position better, there are guides and videos on using cover more effectively and game mechanics to help your survivability

[strong charm]

would ya'll suggest the same talents for a carbine-7 as well?

[viscid plaza]

Carbine 7 RPM is a bit rough to justify using it, but I would say measured for sure

[near cipher]

im not wiping a lot, like say i do a retalliation, and suddenly a kill squad comes, sometimes i kill them all really fast, but sometimes they swam me and i die in liek 2-3hits. i have like 750k armor

[strong cave]

Carbine 7 is damn good. Killer/Measured/Strained/Back and Forth are all perfectly good talents

[strong cave]

Yeah sounds like that's just bad positioning. If you can handle them sometimes and sometimes not, usually just means your positioning is bad

[strong charm]

ok thx very much

[strong cave]

My guy, you use the ACR with measured. Which will shoot near identical to base RPM of the carbine 7 lol

[viscid plaza]

Yeah when they spawn they can overwhelm you as its a huge pool of armor and health popping up together, it can be hard to deal with. The best you can do is try to position to where you are fighting one enemy at a time and just picking them off, especially as a solo player. With modifiers, a reviver hive and a defensive skill you should be able to handle them, but positioning is the most important thing.

[strong cave]

Give the tactical Mk16 a try 🙏 it hits

[viscid plaza]

I give advice that I don't take. The ACR from MW3 stamped itself as the gun I'll use in any game that has it

[strong cave]

MW2/MW3 ACR Goated 🤌

[haughty harness]

Does Anomaly augment heal from status effect damage from skills? Like eclipse fire

[near cipher]

ok thanks. is there like a "minimum" armour i should always have? or not really

[gentle lichen]

All red is good enough but if you really want to you can put up to 2

[subtle bluff]

The Striker Guide explains it all

[strong cave]

Usually no minimum but having more of it isn't always a bad idea. Most say run up to 2 armor cores BECAUSE 30 expertise is roughly the same as 2 weapon damage cores on a gun

[viscid plaza]

To be completely honest armor doesn't matter as much as just doing as much dmg as possible, you can run full red and if you know how to play you will finish all content faster than anyone with armor cores. Open world I can say you could run 1 or 2 armor cores (I do this on my open world striker build) but just understand you are not increasing your survivability substantially by doing this, you are just giving yourself room to take a few more shots before you get in cover, heal and reposition. All red will be superior if you play optimally

[near cipher]

Ah ok, thanks @viscid plaza @strong cave ! ❤️ Ill work on using cover more and just positioning

[strong cave]

You could expertise your physical armor pieces to 30 (all 6) and get back the equivalent of 1 full armor core, but at that stage you may as well expertise your gear to 13 and then your gun to 30. Would be cheaper

It's important to note expertise is never really required, but it is always helpful

[viscid plaza]

Tbh

[gentle lichen]

Just farm proto

[viscid plaza]

I would argue new players, if they can handle it should play escalation on T0 - T3 to try and get a proto weapon that is useable

[strong cave]

Yeah there is that too. I typically tell them go for Elmo's because they usually need to build their watch stats first. And they're usually crit starved

[lunar imp]

the event caches could drop a prototyped bloom

[strong cave]

Elmo's crit mods are too good not to use as a beginner gun

[gentle lichen]

I wouldn't bank on that lol

[strong cave]

I had one then junked mine. Proto bloom just ain't it

[prime hedge]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKgDCAWAbDMA6aBWNmazQBwjwnFkkBcSCIKpEwC08BGZwwad5PsVNATh65GEeNiHxgrIqTnEKwISKk9guBALC4w8vQsy5u+gOyFeFyplDAxlkGeb25FAUWgmn8jqEwDIaG4wmAEQCBTaJiAq0MBIQsAmNiZSJna2bMBSfLYQuJA0+ijqZJAUZZBGNEm0UUjmQvXuiiJC2uBRCGg0XZ2ZsEA

[viscid plaza]

If they get some goofy ass PDR with like fast hands I'd tell them to just run that

[gentle lichen]

Nah a killer talent will be generally better than that

[prime hedge]

Guys is by build trash?

[lunar imp]

might as well if you don’t have another prototyped gun

[strong cave]

What's your goal with this build?

[gentle lichen]

First off what are you trying to do with the build

[viscid plaza]

I like it, but I would look at that if my teammate ran it and say why not just run eclipse

[prime hedge]

I wana be totally honest I don’t totally understand how making builds work. I honestly dont know what I’m going for

[gentle lichen]

Alright what you want to make then

[viscid plaza]

I mean you're going for a status build with a 360 flame turret

[prime hedge]

I need help understanding it and competing with other players because when I’m in dz I’m getting obliterated

[strong cave]

I've got an MP7 w/ killer proto, tactical Mk16 w/ measured proto, harvest w/ determined proto and Handbasket w/ determined proto. Proto just ain't it still

[viscid plaza]

this is not a DZ build imo, especially solo

[prime hedge]

I’m primarily a solo player

[viscid plaza]

If you want to stop dying in the DZ, especially in 1v1s I'd say make a core strength build

[strong cave]

Yeah that's not at all a DZ build. And DZ as a solo player is cancer, I can vouch for that one

[gentle lichen]

If you wanna dz either use bighorn regen or ninja umbra/core strength as they're the current metas there

[strong cave]

NB would be the guy to talk to here for PlayStation metas

[prime hedge]

This is good help

[viscid plaza]

As a matter of fact here is my handy, dandy

https://buildstation.app/td2/builder/game/NZz7FKFj

6 skill tier Core Strength build with 3 yellows

[strong cave]

I'm a PC player, each platform is slightly different with how they play

[prime hedge]

If I want to just solo story tho what would you recommend. Having a story build and a dz build would probably make more sense than running one for both that’s not even optimal for either lol

[strong cave]

Correct on that

[gentle lichen]

You can basically use this and literally just replace umbra with core strength and it would still be meta
You can swap skills for fire sticky and stinger when going for core strength

[viscid plaza]

Literally what I ran before Core Strength, but I used unbreakable UA chest

[gentle lichen]

Make sure if core strength to go with 6 skill tier as it double dips with capacitor

[prime hedge]

Sorry I’m a little slow following along here but I think I’m understanding

[strong cave]

Each yellow tier with capacitor is the equivalent of half a core of weapon damage. So 6 skill tiers = 3 weapon damage cores

[viscid plaza]

Take ur time

[gentle lichen]

And core gets you an extra ~11% WD on each yellow core so basically you're getting 19% WD per yellow core on cap