td2-build-advice

[flint arch]

dammit i said something incorrect

[weak quail]

For solo i find turmoil kneepads way too useful and time efficient to the point i forgot other kneepads exist

[smoky latch]

It's a decent shotgun in term of burst damage IIRC

[flint arch]

I've only seen the m870 be used regularly so

[smoky latch]

@subtle bluff 's favorite too, he can rave about why it's good

[tawdry raven]

i dont use shotguns but the rolls looked really good for a drop

[fleet gulch]

Solo Challenging at most. I cannot do solo Heroic at all at the moment.

[dreamy valve]

Yeah it’ll work in solo challenge

[flint arch]

six12 nerf

[dreamy valve]

I use Shocker Punch in solo challenge

[smoky latch]

That seemed to have upset him a bit

[dreamy valve]

A strong burst shotgun would be Thorns

[smoky latch]

I prefer M870

[dreamy valve]

HH I use m870

[smoky latch]

Yup, some do use Thorn tho

[dreamy valve]

I’m just destroying these Kitsuneb spawns with Thorns

[smoky latch]

With six blues? 😬

[dreamy valve]

Damn how did you know 🤣

[smoky latch]

Idk you might use 7 too 😛

The Blossom thingy AR works nicely for that

[flint arch]

10 with prototype

[dreamy valve]

Yup with max expertise

7+ is now very realistic with Core Strength and Proto

I’d use First Bloom on the heavies

[weak quail]

Yeah, i was thinking when it’s time to rank up sacrum i will probably use firewall for the burn duration.

Who am i kidding, it will probably just sit in reserve while i use the other gun only

[dreamy valve]

You know come to think of it, I never wore gear to rank it things up. I always managed dump my extra grey components and extra filament into it to max rank it. I guess it pays off sometimes being a loot goblin and just dismantling everything into materials

[weak quail]

I do that for things i can’t be bothered with, or find. Triple proficiency event was very good for me as it got me trying different things and making them work.

If i had a lot of cash and saw something in store that wasn’t rank 10 i would also buy it as may times as it was needed to rank it up, too

[dreamy valve]

I think sometimes just testing things out for yourself can be a good way to make builds you want to use. Other people’s advice is as just suggestions and not gospel

[weak quail]

Playstyles come into play, yea

Like everyone was teliing me “firewall sucks, just for pvp, gunner best class” yet i had more fun with it instead

It was extremely fun with hunter’s fury and memento with its unique shield. Flamethrower actually usable unlike the minigun

[dreamy valve]

I still have fun running blues despite all the head butting over the years with this channel myself

[weak quail]

If you tank for people and dont have a problem solo i dont see the issue. Maybe bad in escalation due to time but i wouldn’t know

[dreamy valve]

Nah, I still outperform randoms in escalation with full blue lmao

Oh wait not escalations

I meant Retaliations

[weak quail]

My first time doing district arena legendary those primeapes made my damage break the system and go in the minus. And i was refactor. Insane teammates

And i went in it thinking: i hope i dont ruin it for them

[hazy steeple]

That happens in most high-end gameplay that you'll do, since it has a limit, and loops around the total.
You can see who did the most at the end by looking for the little gold star.

[weak quail]

Yeah, i was told it means the damage broke 2.14B and was around 3.3B

[dreamy valve]

First time I played Legendary Capitol, I used full blue Foundry with Bulwark shield and Liberty. Took me almost 3 hours with randoms,but this was year one

[hazy steeple]

Yeah back then with World Tier 5, things were quite different, builds-wise.

[weak quail]

And i thought an hour was bad wth

[dreamy valve]

This was when Legendary was introduced to the game for us

[hazy steeple]

I ran my first Leg-DUA with an Aces setup. RIP cards, you were cooler than Hotshot.

[weak quail]

My friend still prefers Aces and Eights to hotshot just for the sound effects, the amplified damage, not needing consistent headshots and the fact that he can kill/headshot random animals/birds and get free card(s) off of them 😭

[dreamy valve]

As long as you have HH and Determined, even Aces still works

[final idol]

What’s my luck man just off a random supply room 😭

[untold fulcrum]

Can I solo united ironworks? It seems like no one runs it

Wrong chat! Shouldnt be in the builds chat

[weak quail]

Fun gun

[weak quail]

Remind me what determined does please, i forgot

[solar sable]

Killing with a headshot makes the next shots be a headshot no matter where it lands

[final idol]

Gon try it out with the striker I been struggling to get stacks ngl

[weak quail]

Oh the gun talent, for some reason i thought “bags” and couldn’t remember for the life of me

[solar sable]

perfect determined works the same way but after killing one enemy within the chain, it is lost and needs re-procc

[weak quail]

Shock ammo goes hard, gonna have fun with it

[smoky latch]

TLDR it works as Determined was originall intended to work

[solar sable]

I hope it gets fixed so I can Regulus my way

imagine not aiming for the heads smh... /s

[smoky latch]

Yup

[weak quail]

Achilles pulse stonks going down

[dreamy valve]

Determined? Too hard to fix. Blossom keycard loophole? Within 24 hours

[solar sable]

NBB FB? Nah, always meta.

[weak quail]

Fragile Armor Directive: lol

[willow sigil]

if you only need 1 more attribute for your library, do you just keep targeting loot, or do you spam craft?

[solar sable]

you can try crafting but rolls are almost always terrible

[weak quail]

Just countdown target it or dont bother unless you really need it. You will find it eventually

[willow sigil]

yeah i dont really need it

[strong cave]

yeah guys lets vote on what needs fixing, like half the game isnt half broken....

[solar sable]

nbb needs a fix... to be removed from the game

[flint arch]

nbb's talent only becomes effective in PVP modes

[weak quail]

On ps the graphics randomly degrade to ps2/ps3 era partly. The chungas be looking like bowser from Super Nintendo sometimes. So random but always funny

[solar sable]

like people play that shi

[dreamy valve]

Just pick everything up and open all crates while you play content normally, youll eventually get everything in the library maxed or completed

[weak quail]

Yeah usually the crates give stuff with a maxed stat

[weak quail]

I only opened the 3 gates for fast travel options lmao

[dreamy valve]

That’s how I got my talents completed every season

[fringe ravine]

Anyone got a picture of a pestilence build handy ? Looking for high status effects

[smoky latch]

Check the first pin in this channel, in the linked spreadsheet you will find a Pestilence guide

[strong cave]

probably playstation's best era

[weak quail]

Ps2 was peak, i skipped 3

[hexed steppe]

status effects wont affect pestilence ticks

[fringe ravine]

How do you gest high tick damage ?

[hexed steppe]

weapon damage/lmg damage/dttooc/dta/twd/amps give me a sec, digging up a couple of my builds for it

coco setup

pretent this has overdogs gloves and fox's prayer knee

[shut kindle]

For pvp or pve?

[flint arch]

no more overlisters, devs hate fun 😔

[solar sable]

fox's gloves and overtractors, noted

[hexed steppe]

yeah, i didnt seem to have a normal overdogs pesti screenshot

nvm, i do have something. make sure to use mods tho.

[flint arch]

the overdogs are contracted and the foxes are blacklisted

[solar sable]

dimini?

[flint arch]

diminisnismidmingninsihsujninsimhshing returns?

[solar sable]

99.8% accuracy

[chilly steeple]

is there or are there build(s) that use rifles as the main damage source? most people seem to prefer high rpm basetypes for stacking or mmr for their high base damage with most sets.

[solar sable]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10Zu9fKBuzxZ_EDlx_hkm2HN_f_KZltlZu7I8LRyceVE/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.feue0idx93gs

[chilly steeple]

oh od does? must've read over that

[solar sable]

ye

[chilly steeple]

is the downside still accurate, where its that it's not really usable at high dififculties?

[solar sable]

up to heroic i'd say

[flint arch]

you need to kill things within 1 mag. if you can't do that there will be problems

[chilly steeple]

unfortunate

[solar sable]

or until the mark dissapears

[flint arch]

that too

[chilly steeple]

thanks for the info though

[uncut yarrow]

Is there a strong seeker mine build? I think i would prefer cluster because it funny but I dont know. Ive never made a skill build because it looks boring but im curious about sitting behind a box and hucking poke balls at people

[solar sable]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Wk6uicuBmWGmH_IK5dos_RSX3B8csmoCVwhqFRuNIOY/edit?usp=sharing

[uncut yarrow]

Im sure if there is one its in the spreadsheet

[solar sable]

as usual

[ebon lantern]

Will say if you're looking to just do bullet hell. Bullet King def fills a void.

[uncut yarrow]

I wanna do bomb hell

Blow them all to smithereens. Tired of these mfs melting me out of cover, hiding behind boxes

[hazy steeple]

Good news, there's a Chest Talent for that!

[fringe ravine]

Does turmoil knees work with pestilence?

[solar sable]

no

[rapid wave]

What's a good no stacks build?

[hazy steeple]

Introducing: Mad Bomber!

Grenade that kill an enemy are refunded.
Grenades can now be ''cooked'' by holding the fire button, making them explode earlier.
Gain 15% bonus armor while aiming grendes```

[solar sable]

weapon is up to you

[rapid wave]

How does it hold up in solo legendary?

[solar sable]

pretty well

[uncut yarrow]

That works with seekers?

[civic meteor]

Best talent for the Lexington?

[solar sable]

Back&Forth, Killer and Measured

[rapid wave]

Killer or Optimist imp

[hazy steeple]

Grenades only.
I prefer with the base ones, since higher damage.

[uncut yarrow]

That would require my grenades actually killing anything first lol

[outer agate]

pressure point or killer for tinkerer ongoing directive?

[hazy steeple]

I mainly use it for Challenges when they crop up, but it's still fun.
you can also cook them for too long and turn into an outcast rusher!

[uncut yarrow]

See thats valid tho

Suicide bomber specialization when? Just buffs speed and gives you the weapon that with more ammo is more sticks of dynamite, or brick of C4 to make it even more exciting

With enough ammo you level entire room, including team

[solar sable]

Killer-Sadist for solo and Pressure Point-Sadist for groups

[civic meteor]

Can you change the attachments on prototype weapons?

[smoky latch]

Sure

[manic bough]

yo! is there any way of improving this besides getting it in prototype? 50% CHC, 127% CHD
ignore the 2nd weapon and the turret,just leveling it

[smoky latch]

All set. I'd change the weapon talent to Measured, personally. Depends if you play more solo or in groups

Alternatively you can run Salvo instead of Overdogs

[lone wadi]

swap a crit dmg mod for crit chance

[fierce ether]

If u play more solo, what is better? Measured?

[normal shadow]

Killer is more geared towards solo play.

[fierce ether]

K ty

[smoky latch]

If you play both just leave it Measured, or have a second AR with the other talent

[fierce ether]

Perfect

[manic bough]

ok why should i do it?

[fierce ether]

Coz maybe u need to reach 60% cap?

For assaults get 60% is the way to go then use CHD rolls

And mods when u reach it

[manic bough]

not really,you would lose too much CHD and you cant reach 60% without going over the cap

[lone wadi]

youre at 50% and not even using coyotes, you should get as close to 60 as you can without overcapping

[fierce ether]

If u dont reach 60 is fine, u can run 58 or something but u only need to play with rolls and mods beetween CHD and CHC

[ebon lantern]

Even mentions in the Striker guide on the doc.

Note: For numbers you’re looking to get to is: with Coyote's 50-54% CHC | Without Coyote's closest to 60% CHC without going over cap of 60% | Then the rest into CHD.

[manic bough]

ah ok,thanks!

[mild flame]

is there no way to test memento in the firing range with full 30 trophy extended buff active?

[smoky latch]

No

[mild flame]

out of curiosity, would the memento version be superior to the NMB version once 30 trophies are obtained?

[smoky latch]

Any backpack with a damage talent is better than NBB

Memento due to stacks too, sure

[rapid wave]

Any advice of this build? 3% armor regen, 60% crit hit & 144 crit dmg

[smoky latch]

You don't need Regen in PvE really. What you need is damage, perhaps a little survivability if you need

[rapid wave]

I been working on legendary Solo's so using the regen as a means to survive longer. Sit in cover for a few seconds and back to full health

[urban latch]

depends on pvp or pve

[mild flame]

PVE

[quasi mason]

JUST NEED maxed crit chance gear mods and i will be good 55% and 107% crit damage using same as NBS vidoe 4 pc tipping and over dogs and group with obli

any advice?

[smoky latch]

Equalizer Chest instead of the GS chest

[quasi mason]

mask / holster / knee pads have crit chance

[smoky latch]

You need to reach 60% CHC with TS even if you slightly overcap

[quasi mason]

and double crit with over dogs and chest

[smoky latch]

The set's buff takes care of more than enough CHD

[quasi mason]

using nothinbg but skillz set up

[smoky latch]

Idk what he uses but it's usually copied or not good

[solar sable]

you have to stay away from YT Division

[smoky latch]

At lest for builds

For updates and info amongst other shenenigans it's fine

[solar sable]

what did he say about Grupo chest?

genuine question

[quasi mason]

i saw it melts enemies in escal and legendary so

[quasi mason]

he said either that or equalizer

[smoky latch]

Equalizer or GC

[urban latch]

you just want striker in escalation

[quasi mason]

this

[toxic frigate]

Just striker with Hollow man tbh, that's enough

[solar sable]

Equalizer is much much better than Grupo

[quasi mason]

i have it

[solar sable]

use it then, you don't need Grupo's CHD bonus

[toxic frigate]

I think if you build correctly

[quasi mason]

so thats the only change ror adjustment i need ?

[solar sable]

and hit the CHC cap

[toxic frigate]

You can have like around 55+% chc and over 120% chd

[solar sable]

with TS, hitting the CHC cap is mandatory tho

[quasi mason]

1.4 mil per shot with stacks

[solar sable]

schweet

[long dove]

is Eagle grasp gloves used in any build?

[smoky latch]

Barely

[solar sable]

just gRasp and stash

[quasi mason]

i have to re roll one piece to crit damage all mine are rolled chc except backpack

[toxic frigate]

Like if you using set, usually it's 2 CHC 2 CHD, High Ends should ChC and ChD

Then balance it with your weapon attachment and gear mods

[quasi mason]

i have 4 pc TS one high end and over dogs

[solar sable]

you don't need CHD rolls on your TS pieces

[toxic frigate]

Just meet around 55+% CHC for TS tbh it's should enough

Idk how much cap for CHD is, but TS should've really high CHD on it

[quasi mason]

thats why iam farming gear mods

[quasi mason]

i have chd only on my TS packpack with crit chance mod

[subtle bluff]

KSG dmg is close to M870. KSG dmg is what M870 works well for having a big mag.

Idk how you can say it's outdated when there's a showcase of the build solo leggo DUA..

[toxic frigate]

Just don't get hit and aim better 👍

[subtle bluff]

You want to hit the CHC cap with TS. With the BP it's making 350 CHD you want to crit as much as possible.

[subtle bluff]

There is no CHD cap... Only CHC has a cap.

[calm nebula]

Hey! Wich one is a better Capacitor, one with +% Crit damage, or one with +% Head damage?

There is an ideal Capacitor? I play Refractor

[lone glacier]

Dtoc

[calm nebula]

Dtoc?

[lone glacier]

Damage to targets out of cover

[calm nebula]

Oh, I see!

Thx! ❤️

[subtle bluff]

The answer is always DTTooC.

[lone glacier]

unless its a LMG, then its CHC

[subtle bluff]

For the future.

[calm nebula]

Thanks!

I'm trying to reconfigure it, I have 10 exotic components left, let's see if I'm lucky hehe

[lone glacier]

do the Content Creator projects to get some easy exo comps

[calm nebula]

Right, thx! 😄

I didn't have luck XD, but at least I got one with all the % at full level

This is my Refractor build, any tips?

[lone wadi]

use wyvern chest with perf kinetic momentum or chest with (perf) glass cannon

[calm nebula]

But I loose the Refractor chest ability, doesn't?

[lone wadi]

its not useful compared to the other 2

[calm nebula]

Glass cannon applies to my drone and turret too?

[lone wadi]

yes and your bullets

[calm nebula]

Omg, but the 60% + taken is too much XDD, but I can try it, thanks!

[subtle bluff]

Everything you do dmg it applies to.

[lone wadi]

use the named wyvern chest, impetus, if you dont wanna deal with the extra dmg taken from glass cannon

[tired turret]

Hi everyone, looking for advice on my next steps on my build, I'm running Elmos Striker build 4 piece with Salvo Holster and Equalizer Chest piece, they are basically maxed out at this point

[subtle bluff]

The extra healing from the chest goes into overheal in the end.
Both impetus or a glass cannon will also help with taking things off the field meaning less dmg out there.

[tired turret]

I have my Modifiers set for 140% extra headshot damage

[subtle bluff]

Strike Guide.

[calm nebula]

Thank you all, buds! I'll try both of them! 😄

[tired turret]

What guide?

[tired turret]

Thanks

[calm nebula]

I have the Sacrifice, a chest with Perfect Glass cannon, but it has all his atributes in red

Shoul I change any of them? The basic one to have the 6 yellow cores?

[tall jackal]

For what? What build are you doing?

[calm nebula]

And this is the Wyver one I have

[calm nebula]

Refractor! 😄

[solar sable]

use both crits on it

[calm nebula]

Sorry, what does that mean? I should change the basic core, and let the secondary ones intact?

Btw sorry for my English, it's not the best :b

[solar sable]

Daño Crítico y Probabilidad de tiro crítico

also, I translated our lvl40 Starters Guide to spanish, gimme one sec I'll grab it

[calm nebula]

Ah, okay! So I have to change the head damage one, right?

[calm nebula]

Ok, thanks!

[solar sable]

I need to update it to the very last changes made from the Original version but it has the basics
https://docs.google.com/document/d/17zZYw9mngbsK_H5YQNIjOSTkPspUvuO08RUDZBZI74M/edit?usp=drivesdk

[calm nebula]

I'll take a look, thx!

[soft crane]

How long does it take to reach max stack for Tipping Scale without backpack?

Without backpack and without backpack but with chest equipped.

[solar sable]

5-6 seconds maybe?

without maybe 4

[lone wadi]

isnt it 10

and then like 15 or something with chest

[soft crane]

thats with backpack

[lone wadi]

what does backpack have to do with anything, doesnt it only increase crit dmg per stack

[soft crane]

oh right shit my bad

Forget I asked

[rapid wave]

What's the best talents for Lexington

PvE

[soft crane]

Peeps said Back and Forth, Measured, or Killer.

[wheat mauve]

Is there another way to get the Overdogs exotic gloves without having to do Heroic Hyena retaliations?

[tall jackal]

gloves targetted

[patent fossil]

Just target farm gloves or random exotics

[wheat mauve]

Ok thanks 👍

[trim matrix]

is this ok? or should i change things, i am using the cloud regen

[tall jackal]

For what? Like build?

[trim matrix]

idk, general use

[tall jackal]

Well it depends on what you are using it for....

[trim matrix]

i think i am looking to use it for survivality

[tall jackal]

I'd say Armor over PFE.

I'd use Convert 1 (Off), Compress (Def), and Nullify (Wild). Which gives 60% HSD, 22.5% Armor, and 20% Skill Damage

Or just Split (Def), Compress (Def), and Nullify (Wild) for 30% Weapon Handling, 33% armor, 30% skill damage

[lone glacier]

Convert 1 Off, Compress Off, Nullify gives you 135% HSD, 10% Armor and 20% SD

[junior lagoon]

for investor mask. what do we want on it?

[trim matrix]

ok, i think i´ll try between the last two, if the extra 22% armor is useless then i´ll go for dmg

[tall jackal]

Ya the 135% HSD at Max is really nice.

[slender cradle]

im uisng ravenous with OD build. good or bad

[timid fiber]

How does First Bloom stack up against Lex, Elmo, typical AR choices for Striker? Is only the Proto version on par?

[queen dome]

What is the best talent for ARs that isn't killer? I'm torn between strained and optimist

[digital warren]

i started month ago is this build any good advice would help ty

[timid fiber]

I think consensus is don’t use the chest and put on Equalizer and run the holster instead. Chest requires you to like maintain 150 stacks + to be optimal

[lone glacier]

drop striker chest for Equalizer and use striker holster

[fair dragon]

Which is viable if you lack damage

[lone glacier]

You can run Striker chest in higher tier Escalations

but I think our dear friend Chow added a Escalation segment to the Striker build sheet

[digital warren]

this my lex talent i dont use skills do i keep streamline or go for killer

[lone glacier]

Killer solo, Measured group is what I use
But you can just use Measured for both too

[soft crane]

Back and Forth and Measured. Strained and Optimist arent suited for AR, they're for LMGs.

[queen dome]

how come?

[lone glacier]

ARs dont have a big enough mag to make them viable

[soft crane]

AR dont have enough mag capacity.

[queen dome]

they have just enough to fully proc it, but do you mean like actually get use out of it fully?

[lone glacier]

yes

[soft crane]

The latter yes.

[queen dome]

okay ima try measured since ive never used it on ars

[soft crane]

Theres no point on using Strained when only the last bullet gives you 50% CHD lmao.

[queen dome]

just want something that isnt killer

[queen dome]

yeah true

[strong cave]

Measured

Look into fast hands

Breadbasket is another good one

[lone glacier]

Why would you grab Fast Hands to.. speed up the reload...

[strong cave]

Fast hands is commonly used on high burst DPS weapons. They often times have fairly low sustained DPS due to having slightly longer reloads. Which is how they've been balanced out. So, taking fast hands allows you to shorten that gap spent between reloading and hurling bullets

[fair dragon]

Less downtime for premature reloaders probably

[strong cave]

I myself use fast hands on MG5. My reloads are borderline instant and it's comical

What's even funnier is I've managed to get a group to test it with overcharged smart cover and booster hive. I press reload and it was over with in the blink of an eye

Should see it on a stack broker with ROF + fast hands

[subtle bluff]

BnF is meta now xD

[strong cave]

The what what

[subtle bluff]

Mag dumping faster gives more time to reload.

Back and Forth

[strong cave]

Ah yeah I figured that was the case. Funny enough still not gonna stop me from using that stack broker I got

[strong cave]

Manage to get a broker with B&F on it? To roll ROF

[subtle bluff]

Now I need to see Striker, Stack Broker RoF and BnF

[strong cave]

Ooooof good luck farming that

[subtle bluff]

No this is stil my only stack broker

[strong cave]

Poor soul

[subtle bluff]

I'm super happy still with it. BnF is a much better talent.

[strong cave]

ROF is a much better attribute 🤌

Just wanna rub that in just a touch

Technically it's half of BNF (pretty sure)

[subtle bluff]

Ever since the change to Fast Hands and the reload speed to ACS12 Fast Hand doesn't feel anywhere as good as it use to be.

Back then it use to be faster stacking than RnR.

[strong cave]

I run gunner so pairing the every 3rd reload speed helps as well

I rarely if ever use my stack broker tho. Mainly just stack my guns up on its own

[ember trout]

Quick question, if anyone knows the answer, does Ridgeway's Pride bleed effect work when the damage is split with Turmoil? I have an idea cooking

As in, will multiple people in 15m start bleeding by only shooting one?

[light oar]

what is the best tipping scales build right now

[solar sable]

no, it only splits weapon dmg

[solar sable]

4pc TS, Equalizer/The Sacrifice and Overdogs
CHC has to be 60%

[ember trout]

Unfortunate. THanks. I hadnt tested it yet, was wondering if anyone had. Cheers

[light oar]

i have 60 chance 113 crit dmg and 140k weapon damage 4pc ts with equalizer and contractors gloves and i am getting less than 10m damage

[solar sable]

Range DPS doesn't matter

it's not accurate and should never be a measurement

[subtle bluff]

To be most specific with Turmoil, the damage that split is being done by turmoil so things that use the weapon or gear doesn't proc.

[viscid plaza]

On an OD build, wicked or vigilance on the bag?

[solar sable]

Wicked for 100% uptime
Vigilance for a bit more dmg

[viscid plaza]

Fair, I lean towards wicked

[grizzled garnet]

you running salvo?

[subtle bluff]

I don't remember here. Most likely since it's a striker chest from an incurison run

[light oar]

so how would i judge my overall damage accurately because im struggling to understand why people use any other build than strikers lol

also what are the best dmg numbers for ar and lmg

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages there a calc you can use.

Very easy to use.

[light oar]

thank you

[viscid plaza]

short for calculator

[grizzled loom]

Thought it was short for calculus

[fair dragon]

thought it was short for calcium

[hazy steeple]

I thought it was the same as calc.
ya know
🎵 Like a Stone 🎶

[fair dragon]

that's talc

[hazy steeple]

It's actually both! The more ya know.

[fair dragon]

as a rock licker, of course i know

[subtle bluff]

MP7 nerf back then hurt it a lot.

[fair dragon]

We don't, we just lick them

[viscid plaza]

Well you can run one Sokolov and kinda do your thing from there. Hunters Fury, Striker, High end. For the most fun I would do the Robin chest piece, and run a decent rifle you like, and put on 4 pieces of Virtuoso

[fair dragon]

But when you're so sleep deprived for 3 days that upon seeing a piece of rock and you think it's a piece of chicken nuggies, that's a different story

[viscid plaza]

The new royal works named chest piece from the season, it has perfect gunslinger so it ties into swapping to your MP7 that gets buffed when you swap to it

You could do a rifle with back and forth (I would say the ACR SS but the handling is really rough)

[full sedge]

anyone have a good build for this weapon? 🤣

[fair dragon]

it's great in PvP. players will be confused what hit them

[viscid plaza]

burning while confused will be a rough one to deal with

[gritty pivot]

Does echo work on specialization weapons ?

[dry gate]

What’s a better AR to use/target farm over Elmo’s Engine running 4pc strikers / Obliterate?

[summer totem]

Lexington

[viscid plaza]

If you don't have access to the Lexington I'm not sure there is a BETTER AR, but there are adjacent AR's you can use that will have less overall dmg due to Lexingtons base dmg increase. I personally like the CTAR, you can use a Police M4, Famas is fine, These are not better, just other options

[last schooner]

is First Bloom > Lex?

[fair dragon]

Better is subjective, Lexington is better in terms of damage, but Elmo's far better in terms of ammo management

[subtle bluff]

Gear/Weapons being proto doesn't mean it's good....

[viscid plaza]

Also here's a build I'm really enjoying in conflict, 6 skill tiers in PvE (prototype one Core Strength with a yellow core), 5 in PVP (you can simply run yellow core on gloves for 6 tiers). I think precision smart cover on 6 skill tiers gives you absurd dmg on a 2M+ armor build

[viscid plaza]

You could also prototype the mask, chest and run a prototype core strength backpack, drop the picaros and run any 2 brand sets or named items you want and still have 6 skill tiers with only 3 yellows.

[slim coral]

That looks neat, is that a website or so?

[viscid plaza]

https://buildstation.app/

[slim coral]

Thanks

[dry gate]

So Lexington with Killer stat is way better than Elmo’s Engine? It’s what I currently have and looking for my next piece to farm

[fleet gulch]

How does Caretaker compare?

[viscid plaza]

Depends on the content, I would argue in higher Escalation Elmo will see more value than a killer lexington on enemies that don't have the haz modifier, but other talents on the lexington could have superior results

[viscid plaza]

Not a fan of the weapon, but it depends how often killer is getting procced

[timid fiber]

Well I pulled a Proto first bloom. Butt augment and stability as third stat but considering I’m not expertise 30

[onyx sage]

lexington with measured or back and forth is what you would use in esca

[fleet gulch]

I personally am in a spot where I have just one copy of Lexington, but I think I'd like to dedicate it to my Heartbreaker loadout and use Caretaker or maybe even that new First Bloom in its place for Strikers stuff, if the difference in damage isn't significant.

[viscid plaza]

If you ever plan to run high tier escalation I would say put Measured on it and reserve it for a striker build or anything high DPS, otherwise ignore what I'm saying

[timid fiber]

Hmm. Well I melted a ronin faster with first bloom than with Elmo’s so 🤔

[subtle bluff]

That's because ronin have a linked HP so First Bloom works the best on them.

[timid fiber]

Oh no it was the single one not the squad

[subtle bluff]

the other case is the elmo bust DPS isn't that high due to it's talent isn't a dmg talent.

[shy willow]

If you're in higher tiers just use an LMG😭

[void gyro]

Does anyone have a measured assembly build they recommend? I’m trying to figure out the best way to set this up

[subtle bluff]

MA is rather niche support build.

[reef crypt]

hi guys i just got my lexington and first bloom i see alot of people having the bullet ammo count 50 for there builds but max i can do is 45 how do you make it 50 ?

[slim coral]

Prob another mag and SHD levels

@hazy steeple

[timid fiber]

I’m missing so many blueprints. I definitely need that bigger AR one

[onyx sage]

you still need a secondary and it's arguably the best one rn

[shy willow]

Then yea

[slim coral]

man heartstopper+memento+lexington+technician ❤️ finally a build I like lol

[gusty scroll]

should I reroll this 🤔

[flint arch]

i would keep it for now and reroll a 2nd copy

[delicate hill]

if i wanted a tip of the spear build for goofing off what would the recommended parts be?

[broken edge]

dont touch either chest of backpack, they are just bad

[rich cosmos]

Any suggestions for a ravenous build? Preferably gearset

[delicate hill]

even if my plan was to use the signature weapon as my primary?

[broken edge]

sniper rifle might be the best one to use with it

[delicate hill]

my plan was Sniper or grenade launcher

[subtle bluff]

Tips isn't good... Even when prototype..

GOD when Rigger comes around I'm gonna just.....

[delicate hill]

i just want to use it to goof around and blow stuff up and get the ammo back quicker than normal earn rate

[shy willow]

The problem is even with the improved ammo drops it's still nowhere near enough

[subtle bluff]

GL HF!

You'll understand quickly

[delicate hill]

hmmm perhaps i wont then

[minor grove]

what do u have on this im not following lol

[subtle bluff]

Back and Forth for stacking in this csae Stack Broker but can be used on RoF ACS12.

[civic meteor]

How may I get the sheriff?

[glad mauve]

any potential?

[smoky latch]

Not for me

Rather use Vigilance/Unstoppable Force

[quasi mason]

Check dm please when you have a chance

[silent patio]

What build recommend for legendary ? I mainly use striker but I want more survival build , try heartbreaker but so weak.

[merry stone]

can be good for lmgs and stuff but other better stuff exists

[lone wadi]

lmgs want crit so you wouldnt use it for that either

[smoky latch]

Striker's would be my suggestion. Alternatively Negotiator's Dilemma or Tipping Scales

[gray shoal]

You can get the blueprint from black tusk kill squads in retaliation

[merry stone]

retals drop the blueprint like said, also targetted loot will drop it

[smoky latch]

Originally from the Tidal Basin: The Pact manhunt

[solar sable]

TL doesnt drop Manhunt exotics.

[silent patio]

you mean normal redcore striker or 4-5 blue core striker ?

[smoky latch]

Full red, yes

[solar sable]

all red is meta

[silent patio]

Ok , so it seem skill issue.. I do redcore striker and dead around 4-5 times on capitol building legendary lol

[smoky latch]

It's not (necessarily) a skill issue, everyone starts somewhere and it takes practice. You don't wake up one morning and know automatically what to do and how to play - it's a learning curve that's based on experience

The sooner you practice the earlier you can master it

[merry stone]

it doesnt?? 🤔 cant remember how i got my sheriff

[smoky latch]

No

[wicked mica]

Are there any one shot rifle builds that don’t utilize the 1886 or is that the only one strong enough to really make it work?

[junior lagoon]

Solo or group?

[smoky latch]

Not really

[wicked mica]

unsurprising since it’s far and away the strongest, but had to ask

[tulip gulch]

Should I gamble and try for all red or is this good enough (20+ rerolls so far)

[junior lagoon]

Optimize

Ah did not see the yellow

[tulip gulch]

I know right

[wicked mica]

tbh I just wish you could recalibrate the attributes on an exotic, I had a near god roll mantis earlier but it had swap speed instead of dtoc

[silent patio]

group , my shd is 760

[wicked mica]

excuse me sir what was that username

[tulip gulch]

Rerolled then ran out of mats but got this

[junior lagoon]

Positioning and not knowing enemies. Nothing a little experience cannot fix.

[gritty summit]

I currently have a full prototype tipping scales build, and with each piece I got one max attribute (which is working as intended), but every single other attribute is the exact minimum. These items were all upgraded to prototype before the cherry blossom update, and since the update, I upgraded my quickstep that got all attributes max. I'm wondering if anyone knows if there's been an update to how items are upgraded? Should I go for a new set, or will it yield similar results to what I have?

[lone wadi]

when u upgrade an item to proto, all stats will be raised to the max high end value if not already, 100% chance a random stat is the maxed proto value, 5% chance 2 random stats, 1% chance 3 random stats

[gritty pivot]

My gear is perfect, 22 wpn dmg and a mix of 8.5%chc and 16%chd

[lone wadi]

that's not perfect - and tots is just a bad set in general

[gritty pivot]

Bad set for you maybe I like it

Better to me than playing striker 24/7 everywhere anytime

At least I m having fun in open world with it

[solar sable]

The guy who thinks that there's no build variety and no roles:

[misty walrus]

what is this abomination? found in incursion lobby

[gritty summit]

Do you know if when you upgrade to proto, if you get only 1 max stat, all other stats are minimum? I would have thought that they would be increased somewhat but I am thinking it's max or nothing when you upgrade.

[lone wadi]

yes thats meant to happen

[gritty summit]

got it, thank you for the insight!

[wicked mica]

hunter’s fury dark winter crit build with 6 blues still good? I have the pieces for it from a couple years ago but haven’t used it in a while

well, almost all the pieces, it needs a better chest piece

if it’s still good what would be a good chest piece for it?

[solar sable]

get rid of blues, they're just nerfing you really bad

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mWk2Jgg8uJX3hkturWAET95gizwVHReoOOayO-ixe6U/edit?tab=t.0

[wicked mica]

it doesn’t specify the chest brand, just the talent

[solar sable]

fixed

[wicked mica]

thank

I see why that SMG is called backfire

can literally kill you from use

[solar sable]

it really doesnt

[wicked mica]

understandable

I may need to farm another dark winter cause I don’t remember if I have it in my stash or not, it’s not on my character

[gentle needle]

Kind of stupid question, should I Just recalibrate my pistol damage? or just optimize that stat?

[solar sable]

recalibrate dtoc for swap speed and optimize that slot, you never use Quickstep as a main

[gentle needle]

that makes sense, thanks!

[merry stone]

the sacrifice good backpack??

[solar sable]

the sacrifice is a chestpiece...?

[merry stone]

sorry i guess the chestpiece, wrote it wrong lol

[solar sable]

worth it, absolutely, lovely, can't get tired of it

[merry stone]

would fit on strikers??

[solar sable]

100%

[misty walrus]

id recommend recal it to swap speed

[merry stone]

how does it compare to the equalizer

[solar sable]

IIRC they compete but PGC wins if you can land +20% headshots

[shell hare]

What do you guys think is the best Tipping scales build for escalation according to you guys thats worth prototyping all the pieces?

[languid wasp]

I would rather invest in a prototype striker first before tipping scale even tho I'm tipping scale enjoyer

[merry stone]

why? wasnt the meta for esc ts builds??

[solar sable]

Strikers is king for high difficulty Escalation, TS helps below T5

[languid wasp]

both of them are but tipping scale takes time to build stack and 6 STACKS loss per second hurts my soul.

[solar sable]

just for low tiers imho

[languid wasp]

In some cases, Prototype Striker will be much popular choice for higher tiers escalation

[merry stone]

btw i cant believe i have been sleeping on overdogs it has lot more dmg than coyote mask

[glacial warren]

put it this way, try using TS on escalations, youll find out why its bad in like, the 1st 3 encounters

[languid wasp]

Overdogs will be in every dps meta rn

[smoky latch]

Not for Escalations

[languid wasp]

Oh right

[smoky latch]

And not for legendary

[merry stone]

mask is better for esca?

[languid wasp]

wait, CM has better potential in these 2 situations then?

[smoky latch]

What mask?

[shell hare]

yeah i already have a full proto striker for escalation already was just thinking if TS is actually gonna be better or not, seems not but yeah

[languid wasp]

I'm currently running TS overdogs rn for T5 escalation.

CM - coyote mask

[merry stone]

coyote

[smoky latch]

More like Hollow Man

[languid wasp]

what's dat

[smoky latch]

The high DtH multiplier is just too useful in mid-high tier Escalations

[grizzled loom]

14% damage to health

[smoky latch]

21% when proto, that's when it turns out good

[merry stone]

damn 21% dats brutal for the ai

[languid wasp]

Oh, that

😭 I donated them for expertise, god damn it.

[smoky latch]

Well they have up to 800% increased health, so it makes sense

[glacial warren]

its for sale on dz east atm i think.

[languid wasp]

idt I can buy em, let me check it out real quick

[smoky latch]

Better to start farming for its blueprint from Retaliations (Reconstructed Caches)

[solar sable]

if you have a fk ton of credits and retal mats you're better off looking for the crafting blueprint in Reconstructed caches

[languid wasp]

Wait, so what build goes with Hollow Man Striker then?

[smoky latch]

That is the build

[languid wasp]

so Hollow Man, 4 Pcs striker, equalizer?

[smoky latch]

No, 1pc Ceska

Striker's chest

[solar sable]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16HdKj8x-LlXJCcVPAWNZWIb0SXcQOmAfAh1cHYYsxwI/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.bzeea15e0ihq

[languid wasp]

Alright, thanks.

[smoky latch]

Chow should add the version with Contractor's too

DtA variant

[cold cedar]

What is a go to 3rd stat on lmgs? chc or dta?

[smoky latch]

CHC usually

[cold cedar]

and one more question Is OD hollow point ammo boost pestilence dot or just bullet dmg?

[smoky latch]

It does not boost Pestilence's damage nor ticks. That is a debuff, not a status effect

[solar sable]

and its based off of pure Weapon DMG

[smoky latch]

It boosts all kinetic weapon damage however

[cold cedar]

It says weapon damage amplification.
so bullet dmg only?

so total weapon damage is the only stat that affects pestilence debuff?

[smoky latch]

(T)WD if I'm not mistaken

[cold cedar]

oh ok

[hazy steeple]

(just because this always comes up and to cover all the bases: Pestilence doesn't actually deal status damage, despite the name implying it should)
okay carry on.

[solar sable]

im tired

i no more tekle tekle

[cold cedar]

i saw this somewhere but the amp confused me so thats why i asked about OD (wording is amplification)

[cold cedar]

I know 🙂 ty tho

[subtle bluff]

Which part?

[cold cedar]

the amp in the equation

[solar sable]

@subtle bluff

[subtle bluff]

Overdogs, Glass Cannon talents, etc

[solar sable]

baron was asking why does OD HP ammo not scale with Pesti Ticks

[subtle bluff]

Oh. TBH off the top of my idk the answer I don’t think so it’s not source amp since it’s a part of the bullet.

[cold cedar]

Yes, but OD ammo is worded as in picture so i wondered if it is the amp and if it works

[subtle bluff]

You’re looking for that one the normal talent is the wording you want.

[smoky latch]

Yoyoyo #td2-build-advice message

[cold cedar]

and overdogs are worded like
amplifies weapod dmg by 30% to lowest rank mob, that's why im confused

[cold cedar]

oh xD

[subtle bluff]

The wording is weird with AMP. Source amps are Glass Cannon and overdogs

Blacklister

[cold cedar]

noted. but wording is so similar it confused me xP

[subtle bluff]

Yea Dev wording isn’t great.

[subtle bluff]

I’m pretty sure in the change log I mentioned it use to be BiS.

Out of all builds Overdogs is really BiS for pesti since ticks can jump around and they’ll end up proc’ing it

[smoky latch]

Yeah it's mentioned with words but would a ss hurt?

[hazy steeple]

I'm curious if there's a "prototype augments" guide somewhere that I can link to people who are asking about it.

I know, still early in the Season, but ya know, impatient folks

[solar sable]

i'll make it in a few

[smoky latch]

Just for new players' sake

[cold cedar]

if i don't want to run (perf)glass cannon is equalizer next best thing?

[solar sable]

ye

[cold cedar]

thanks ❤️

[subtle bluff]

It’s mentioned a few times in the guide.

[smoky latch]

Prio Objectives and exo caches

[smoky latch]

Div2 players don't read much, you know that

[hazy steeple]

Hey cmon now, you know this game buries you in numbers and info.

[subtle bluff]

For a small thing like this imo it’s w/e then.

[smoky latch]

🤏

[smoky latch]

Just a request, up to you

[subtle bluff]

At some point in time I’ll put pics of the gear in there but I’d rather not confuse players by having a contractor one on there.

I can see being worse the other way.

[toxic knoll]

Good thing I can't read this or I'd be upset reading this.

[spice crest]

What should I use with the sherif shotgun?

[high dagger]

In building striker build, should I get 8% Dtooc (Fox Prayer), or 20% AR dmg (2 unit alloys)

[livid sorrel]

What's the other piece? Equalizer?

[high dagger]

wait, Ill set it up first

4 striker, Coyote, Fox's Prayer (48.9% / 115%)

[livid sorrel]

striker chest isn't really recommended outside of escalation/legendary/master

[high dagger]

Honestly, I want to try out escal

my other option would be this. 2 Unit Alloys (Equalizer + Salvo), 4 striker (54.9% / 105%)

If i use Coyote + Equalizer, I think it would be the worst one in my options

[nimble moss]

Unless you play with the same friends, coyote will loose a lot of value as most solo player would build more toward 60% CHC I'd say.
Maybe more overdogs gloves though with equalizer ? For anything that you don't want to use striker chest on.

[livid sorrel]

Overdogs + Equalizer is standard

[high dagger]

I'll try them out, Overdogs + Equalizer. Thanks!

[weak quail]

This image could probably help

[raw pasture]

dont find myself building my stacks fast enough should i use a different weapon instead of lexington?

[nimble moss]

Take rock n roll, acs or stack broker as secondary

It build per bullet so it's very good to stack

[signal vapor]

is this okay for my first raid?

[raw pasture]

oh really sweet ill check that out now. i have all three of those are any of the shottys better then the other?

[soft crane]

yeah

[weak quail]

Oh cool, i didn’t know auto shotguns were that good for striker

[lone wadi]

drop the chest, use equalizer, and pick up an ar

[strong cave]

This being used anywhere other than escalation? Because if it is, your problem is the chest

[raw pasture]

nah just escalation

for this build

[strong cave]

Hmmm not sure then. Looks very up to par to me

You are wearing the chest so really the only way to stack faster would be to use frenzy on your LMG or use an ACS12 of some sorts

[raw pasture]

yea i will give rock n roll ago

[strong cave]

Another setup you could run is ditching the backpack and taking a Ceska bag w/ Vigi

Toastey did a test with it on his runs and found that's a quicker way to immediate damage

[raw pasture]

ok ill give that a look into

[strong cave]

ToasteyXGod is his YouTube. Very trustworthy source

[lone wadi]

because you should just be building stacks with the lmg alone

2-3 mags gets you to full striker stacks pretty much, assuming you hit your shots

[strong cave]

should be. Question is how often is he targeted, as well as how good aim is

[onyx sage]

toastey is my goat

[strong cave]

If he's struggling, something tells me he's constantly being targeted, has bad aim, or maybe bad positioning? Who knows. Way too many factors. The build is solid but a build is only solid if the player playing it is good

(still isn't to say anyone is bad, just too many unknown variables)

[strong cave]

He's basically all we have since iKia said "ight imma head out"

[whole willow]

can i undo recalibrate?

[strong cave]

I think if you sell the item to a vendor and buy it back, it resets it

[whole willow]

Alright thanks

[strong cave]

I remember seeing an old video on it. Unsure if they ever patched that or "fixed" that method

Give it a try, why not. You can buy it back anyways

[whole willow]

Yep will do , thanks

[strong cave]

Lmk if that still works 🙏 I've checked out for the rest of this season unless something juicy comes along

[whole willow]

do u have any recommendations for solo build?

[soft crane]

What do you want exactly?

[whole willow]

good solo run build for any contents

[soft crane]

Yee yee ahh Strikers.

[weak quail]

Doesn’t. Will send video in case i did something wrong.

[whole willow]

is there anything othee than that

[soft crane]

Unless you're looking for alternatives.

[soft crane]

The Stackless Strikers

[subtle bluff]

Any content will be strikers. Otherwise if you’re specific HF, TS, ND, CoCo and HE can all work but will hit a limitation.

[weak quail]

From what i understood, when i went to “buy back” it should have been with its original attributes, right? Must have been patched. @strong cave

[whole willow]

Thanks both of you

[soft crane]

looks good

[lone wadi]

looks great, any raid leader will be happy with that

[unborn cove]

Why is it blue

[soft crane]

Prototype rarity

[unborn cove]

Ohhhhhhh

[signal vapor]

its the prototype stuff

[normal shadow]

You can do a lot of content solo with a Refactor skill damage build. It's not a raid build, nor will you want to run escalation with it but well, it's not Striker.

[unborn cove]

Do I do the escalations for it

Just came back I lowkey haven’t done much

[subtle bluff]

Proto type doesn’t matter in raid to note.

[soft crane]

Also questionable choice of weapons. I dont think First Bloom is great and the talent for Lexington is somewhat wrong. It doesnt have enough mag size for you to make the most of it.

[strong cave]

Likely patched

[soft crane]

No need to worry about Prototype. Its just endgame progression, prototype isnt necessary in any content but high tier escalation itself.

[unborn cove]

I care about farming stuff for build variety; I haven’t watched any videos related to it lowkey

[normal shadow]

I'd probably go farm the build stuff from Countdown or Retaliations to be honest.

[soft crane]

Prototype is a rarity. Just gives you higher base stats.

If you're looking for a build, you've come to the right place.

[unborn cove]

OH

[soft crane]

It sits above Gearset and High-End brandset.

[storm prairie]

good build for skill ?

[unborn cove]

I saw to make a striker build for sure when I first got endgame (254 shd rn) but it’s lowkey kinda boring

[signal vapor]

im just enjoying the first bloom and i dont really know what to run on the lexington. i like my smart cover so cant use streamline, killer only good for general add clear and wont help much against the big boys

[soft crane]

Killer for solo, and Measured for group.

For your Lexington.\

[signal vapor]

i usually run sadist if my friend is on ongoing directive

[soft crane]

Someone asked for alternatives earlier so here you go. The Stackless Strikers

[subtle bluff]

You want to use a the named chest for more Skill DMG

[grim bluff]

Impetus is the easy one, yeah

[grim bluff]

Get this for your chest (named Wyvern piece), and keep trying for gloves with skill damage on so you can swap the armour core to skill tier. Or use technician so you get the +1 skill tier. Assuming that's the named Hana-U backpack Force Multiplier too?

[storm prairie]

tysm

[strong cave]

I would advise going empathic resolve for chest instead. It'll boost the team damage

[keen plank]

Does an all yellow investor outperform a vile mask in a eclipse protocol build? Or nah?

[outer wharf]

Where can i get hollow man mask?

[soft crane]

Not sure but I was thinking of replacing Vile with Catalyst for my Eclipse build.

Vile seems outdated.

[soft crane]

Event gear cache i think.

[shy willow]

Overdogs outperforms both

[unborn cove]

I almost thought this was Destiny for a second

[shy willow]

Assuming you mean fire, for foam you want electrique

[keen plank]

Oh yeah, straight up fire.

[unborn cove]

Can you use foam in PVE

Or should I just die

[keen plank]

The bonuses from overdogs apply to the fire chem/fire sticky?

[livid sorrel]

Yes, it's more useful in higher diffs

[soft crane]

The problem with Catalyst it the fact the core attribute is weapon damage instead of skill tier. So you might want to use either Technician or at least 2 of your gear pieces are prototype for additional skill tier.

[unborn cove]

okay this makes me smile a lot I love the foam

[soft crane]

Wait, why am I replying to him

[shy willow]

😭

[shy willow]

Applies to fire and explosives yes

[keen plank]

Hmmm that's good to know. I'll have to prototype two of my eclipse pieces so I can regain that lost skill tier then

[prisma agate]

Is there a list available for the best attribute roll per weapon/gear set item?

[soft crane]

So, Catalyst seem to have 3 different talents for one piece of exotic mask.

[soft crane]

Best attribute roll?

[prisma agate]

Yea, like how DTTOOC is best for ARs. Is there a list somewhere for the best one for all other weapons and/or gear set armor?

[soft crane]

Damage to target out of cover is the best attribute for any weapon sir.

LMG comes with it by default as the fixed core attribute.

[normal shadow]

So the LMG would want critical chance. Otherwise DTOOC.

[prisma agate]

What about for gear sets? My stash is getting full of duplicates of gear set armor and I don't want to trash any that could be potentially viable for future builds

[soft crane]

Builds that uses gearsets arent hard to make.

Maybe you want to keep a copy of each exotic and named items.

They might come in handy in the future.

[prisma agate]

I've been doing that and just trashing the one with worse stats. My stash is hovering around 480, so I'll just trash most of the gear set stuff I'm not using at the moment

[nimble moss]

Yeah anything with 2 attributes only (including cores) is super easy to farm cause u can optimize one or the other - unless limited time item.

Keep valuable named, exo, proto, and consider chest pieces and bags that are almost god roll, as they are the harder to come by.

You can also have an alt to hold items.

[prisma agate]

Thanks guys

[glacial rapids]

Anyone have a hard hitting lmg build please. I'm currently running 4 piece striker with coyote mask and petrol defence holster. DM me if you can advise.

Any help would be much appreciated 🙂

Thanks

[livid sorrel]

Striker is already good for LMGs, Tipping Scales is another option

[summer flax]

Do i need to go out of my way to get the hollowman mask from DZ east?

[soft crane]

Replace Coyote mask with Overdogs glove or Tinkerer mask. Then replace Striker chest with named unit alloy brand called Equalizer.

[soft crane]

If you want alternatives, theres Tipping Scales and The Stackless Strikers

[glacial rapids]

Thank you, where can I find the over dogs gloves please?

[woven ruin]

best talent for lexington? gona make it a proto, mainly will be used in escalations and im usin striker.

[gentle lichen]

If aiming for high tiers go measured

[soft crane]

Killer for solo, Measured for groups.

[woven ruin]

got a gearshift proto already with echo, and happy with it. just want an alternative its getting boring xD

[urban latch]

specifically for escalation I think ranger. MK46 with frenzy should be your main weapon anyways. Lex makes for a really good weapon to take out ranged targets and finish clearing encouters to keep your MK46 mag empty to start the next fight

[soft crane]

Target loot gloves or farm for its blueprint then craft it from Retaliation against Hyenas.

[woven ruin]

will think about rou advice thanks

[gentle lichen]

That's basically your best bet
Killer is nice but uptime isn't allat in higher tiers and especially in groups

[woven ruin]

this is what im considering. thought about this as well, since gearshift recoil in long range is meh

[gentle lichen]

Gearshift is measured no? Get an mk46 with frenzy

[woven ruin]

perfect measured, thats my first option. but alot using it. just want to be different, happy with my 3.4m when echo procs.

[gentle lichen]

"When"
1.2%

[urban latch]

the whole point of using an MK46 is for frenzy

[woven ruin]

my echo is at 6% already

[gentle lichen]

I'll fix it

"When"
6%

[urban latch]

its level 6, not 6%

[gentle lichen]

Point is is that 6% is NOT reliable at all nor consistent

[woven ruin]

6.8 chance double damage? thats the level? when its normal crit its 1.9, well might be making one the next event

[gentle lichen]

And measured vs frenzy is a non competition imo

You just have to run it in higher tiers

[woven ruin]

i know that i have a lvl30 gr9 with frenzy

[patent fossil]

If I'm mathing correctly then echo is effectively on average just amplifying your damage by your total proc %, so with seven piece max level echo it's a 21% amp in effect

Status and ammo refund just seem more fun to me, 1 piece amalgam and 6pc paradox for huge mag and regular cc

[gentle lichen]

Paradox is insane for sustain

[urban latch]

you have a total chance since augments all stack, but the echo on the gearshift is only 2.2% or level 6. plus your current total is 5.4%. If you switch to a MK46 without echo youd still be 3.2% amp from echo but doing a huge amount more with frenzy

[gentle lichen]

But it might mess up your frenzy timing a shit ton

[patent fossil]

Obviously paradox does mess up frenzy timing

[urban latch]

I keep getting stuck with amalgam, but it is really useful so I plan on eventually keeping 1 max roll of it once I get everything else to echo

long term might have both full echo and full amalgam setups

[gentle lichen]

Grenade efficiency is lowkey slept on
The radius makes some grenades simply unavoidable for enemies

[patent fossil]

Maybe one or two piece paradox if you're running salvo, but I'm thinking just need a different build for non escalation content to enjoy the massive burst damage

[urban latch]

thats great and all, but I CANT GET IT OFF MY CHEST. Ive spent so many proto cores lol

[strong cave]

Ask dien for dienhax he might be able to boost you-

I mean, carry

[gentle lichen]

Holy shit how many times did you roll why is the price ramping up so high

[urban latch]

it caps at 25, trust me Ive checked a few times

[strong cave]

I would've nuked the piece after 1 reroll and took the loss

[gentle lichen]

I was scared cause i thought it was scaling up exponentially at the rate of 2^n where n is the times you rolled it

[strong cave]

9.1m proto cores to reroll bc for some reason grenade radius refuses to leave:

[patent fossil]

I think more than one piece amalgam is unnecessary for any full auto weapon since it has that 5s cooldown, in 5s you've fired enough bullets to get another proc in a few more seconds

[urban latch]

yeah 100% agree, but Ive got 4 right now since the only thing better imo is echo

[gentle lichen]

0.5% is a bit rough though

[foggy oar]

i'm trying to make a build for when i'm playing solo using the core strength set, i'm thinking of 4pc core strength with 3 blue core, 1 red core, memento and 1 more but can't decide what to build. y'all got any recommendations? weapon is chameleon

[patent fossil]

Maybe swap some of them to trapper to keep the enemies cced for longer

[gentle lichen]

1 every 200 bullets ideally

[rocky rain]

I have an expertise 30 HF holster but I can’t upgrade it to Prototype (I have 53 tokens). Does anyone knows why?

I have upgraded to P before

[patent fossil]

2.3% at max

[gentle lichen]

Auto hollowpoint generator lol

[patent fossil]

Is it equipped?

[rocky rain]

Yes

[gentle lichen]

Gotta take it off

[patent fossil]

That's why

[rocky rain]

Ah, TY

[foggy oar]

i'm trying to make a build for when i'm playing solo using the core strength set, i'm thinking of 4pc core strength with 3 blue core, 1 red core, memento and 1 more but can't decide what to build. y'all got any recommendations? weapon is chameleon

[rocky rain]

Go all red is blue eneough. Combine with memento. Perfect for solo. Might swap 1/2 for yellow going hybrid with a drone

[versed summit]

you lose way too much damage with core strength. just go for striker memento with a couple blues

[foggy oar]

i see. i was going for a CHONKY shield, since the blue cores make it tier 6 and the 60% skill efficiency grants it 60% more health?

[livid sorrel]

You lose too much damage from that

[rocky rain]

Indeed

[urban latch]

core strength outside PVP is just straight up terrible in pve imo

[versed summit]

it's basically red foundry at it's best

[livid sorrel]

You can run something like striker memento, with technician spec for the artificer hive to repair your shield

[versed summit]

which is bad btw

[uncut yarrow]

Foundry is pretty goated

[versed summit]

for donating to the foundry bulwark project

[foggy oar]

ohh ty for the inputss...i'll look into it

[uncut yarrow]

It isn't escalation 10 worthy but it works very well in Heroic. It might work alright in legendary I havent tried it

[livid sorrel]

if you like shooting nerf darts and increasing enemy scaling for your teammates yeah it's pretty goated

[urban latch]

its one of the worst gearsets in the game. the only use for it is its easy to put together a mediocre tank build, and theres not much difference between the best and the worst tank builds

[uncut yarrow]

Obviously a lot works well in Heroic but thats where im at in the game and it does far better than Core 💀

[uncut yarrow]

I mean i can get up to 900k a shot but sure

[urban latch]

I just trash talked core lol, but its better than foundry

[versed summit]

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1wZI1ZEwq3qQxGwmdPnVXcGHxf7D2-xOLRm0m7bfDTlE/edit?usp=sharing

good template to look at. :)

[urban latch]

just saying a damage number is not impressive

[livid sorrel]

Per shot damage doesn't mean much when you can probably reach absurd numbers with something like 1 chc 200 chd backfire TS or something

[uncut yarrow]

Well just saying it works well in the retaliations ice used it in thats all. Its not my favorite no but its worked when I used it

[urban latch]

Im not allowed to post the video I want to post lol

[versed summit]

"works well" is a very ambigous standard.

[versed summit]

viable build moment lmao

[livid sorrel]

I'd look for the 3 tanks dying in leggo clip but it never really gets the point across does it

[uncut yarrow]

Ive been using a striker eagle bearer build which is, alright

[foggy oar]

what about all blue heartbreaker btw? with like a equalizer and memento?

[uncut yarrow]

It'd be better off rip if I was using overdogs and striker bag instead of memento but memento helps with a little more survivability i guess

[versed summit]

https://youtu.be/bNtU3BIEkhM?si=VQZK7ToUQZGPcMm7 example of a build "working well" in heroic

[livid sorrel]

I'd go all red for more damage, but at that point that's just striker with extra steps

[uncut yarrow]

Heartbreaker is better red

Its actually kinda fun with pestilence but im using the backpack as well so I can actually outgun at least some enemies lol

[versed summit]

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1og9FWqIfhTr3Wo-il3GN5Iq7gHEG3EQdj0ZtkHIZAmY/edit?usp=sharing do this one

[hazy valve]

wat sounds better: heartbreaker with tinkerer with a ar thats flatline and killer or... heartbreaker lexington with a gear exotic?

[livid sorrel]

pestilence... heartbreaker... 😌

[foggy oar]

you kinda need a acs 12 to stack heartbreaker

[hazy valve]

ah ok

[livid sorrel]

hb lexington with overdogs

[hazy valve]

i wanna use overdogs but.. i feel like i wouldnt know the tiers of the enemies xD im bad lol

[livid sorrel]

it's still a good buff even if you don't pay attention

[uncut yarrow]

Just shoot people end of story

[exotic talon]

it literally comes written on the back of the box

[uncut yarrow]

Tbf theres written vs the icons that tell you what each is

My game is often too bright or busy to even see the icons anyways

[hazy valve]

^ that plus im garbage

[livid sorrel]

it's just practice honestly

just look at this every once in a while
#td2-build-advice message

[uncut yarrow]

Well memorizing what symbol means what isn't whether youre good or bad. Imo i wont ever learn them because again, I cant ever see em anyways. Im just gonna shoot who isn't hiding behind a box or running away halfway across the map

[lone glacier]

[Thats why this exists](#td2-build-advice message})

[hazy valve]

actually, this helps hella holy

[exotic talon]

you cant tell what class an enemy is by their silhouette?

[uncut yarrow]

What

[lone glacier]

Why look at silhouette when the icons exist

[exotic talon]

well they said they cant always see the icons, but even then every enemy looks unique

[uncut yarrow]

Well even then I dont care enough for it

Again i shoot what I can when I can

[whole willow]

@soft crane i already did the strikers build , how do i minmax everything to achieve max dmg output

4 piece striker , equalizer chestpiece and overdogs gloves

[soft crane]

yeah thats it

[whole willow]

u sure? what about the core attributes and such

and purple equipment

[soft crane]

Yeh, core attribute is weapon damage and sub attributes are crit chance and crit damage. Get as close as 60% crit chance then dump the rest to crit damage.

Thats all really.

[whole willow]

but u can only calibrate one attributes, how can i achieve such stats? do i farm the equipment till i get the right stats?

[summer totem]

Anyone got a chatterbox build? I dig the high fire rate

[soft crane]

You can either optimize or look until you found the attribute is max rolled by default.

[summer totem]

Currently running the standard striker with salvo and overdogs

[whole willow]

alright so i gotta farm till i get the max rolled attributes , damn thats crazy 💀

[summer totem]

Technically you can just farm for the ones with the needed attributes and optimize it from there in which case you'll have to farm for the optimization materials

[soft crane]

builds that uses gearsets arent hard to make, if you found a weapon or gear that has max rolled stats, extract the stats and put it in your library.

[whole willow]

i see , thanks both of you

[summer totem]

Gear sets are usually the easy ones to optimize to max

[whole willow]

so i gotta farm any equipment piece that has the maximum stats on it

[summer totem]

Yeah and throw it in the library

[whole willow]

alright thanks

[summer totem]

Dont throw it if you think that it has good rolls

In almost every weapons you're looking for dooc sub attribute

[uncut yarrow]

There's builds that go for like Hunters Fury since Chatterbox, you wanna be barrel stuffing people. Chatterbox requires being close so its better on lower difficulty when you can. Same reason I got it, and haven't made a build since it wouldnt really work in the stuff I do

[summer totem]

Ah so chatterbox sucks?

[uncut yarrow]

Its strong in lower content, not as strong in Heroic but it can work. Beyond that the only way it really works well is if you can get kills in half a mag basically

If you want it to full chain with just infinite ammo. Im sure theres seasonal stuff that makes it more usable but so does everything

[summer totem]

Neat, I'll probably just use the magazine modifier and see how it will go

Pvp wise it's good right?

[uncut yarrow]

But yea i think the main choice is Hunters Fury so its easier to be closer to enemies

Pvp I havent heard of anything aside from like, Lexington and Bighorn lol

I dont think anyone uses it in pvp

[summer totem]

Fair

[uncut yarrow]

Just from what ive heard and seen

[summer totem]

Saw some dude in reels clearing a whole squad in DZ

[uncut yarrow]

It is the internet afterall

Those people could all have zero gear

[summer totem]

True, I'll test it out myself in pvp and see how it will go

[uncut yarrow]

Just have fun with it

[summer totem]

Id be having a blast if it wasn't for the cheaters in pvp, ran core strength with 2.6 mil armor and shredded in 0.2 seconds by an oroborous

[whole willow]

whats a dooc

[urban latch]

damage out of cover

[molten portal]

damage out of cover

[uncut yarrow]

Dookie

[exotic talon]

first time i saw someone calling it dooc

[jaunty surge]

I have been turned into an LMG enjoyer. What's considered the best one from the High End ones? For a standard Striker build.

[vernal wing]

Mk46 or GR9 usually

[jaunty surge]

MK46 interchangeable with M249 AFAIK?

[junior lagoon]

never heard about mk46 until tolastey made a video on it why he prefers it over gr9 and suddenly everybody uses it

[versed summit]

GR9 is only for frenzy. MK46/m249 & MG5 are best general use lmgs.

[junior lagoon]

if i am not using frenzy, i would rather use iron lung

[versed summit]

it's been good for a while, and he's used frenzy on it for a while. GR9 times better and is stronger with frenzy, but because of a longer firing time, it's more difficult to use effectively in high tier escalation.

[versed summit]

they asked for HE specifically, but yes Iron Lung is very good

[jaunty surge]

I like your funny words, magic men.

Imma use the technician laser and ability

[versed summit]

honestly strained or measured makes more sense if you're using striker

[jaunty surge]

Already got proto lexingtons with the Technician laser talent thing so I gotta stick with it.

[junior lagoon]

flatline?

[jaunty surge]

That one.

[versed summit]

I wouldn't have, but ok. You also don't have to use the same talent on your LMG

[urban latch]

GR9 better on paper when you assume 100% uptime, but MK46 better in practice

[jaunty surge]

I like consistency to be honest. But why not?

[urban latch]

the whole reason to use LMGs is frenzy

[jaunty surge]

Hmmm, fair.

Though I'd need to switch to Gunner to make the most out of it which means I'll lose the talent on the lexingtons I mentioned. That's why I didn't want it. (Although I haven't calculated numbers yet)

[hazy steeple]

I finally tried out an mk46 w/ frenzy recently, and yeah when people say it's a good choice, they aren't freaking kidding.

[jaunty surge]

Damn, you guys are really talking it up.
Aight, might as well.

[urban latch]

For general use stuff its strong but idk if its worth managing. But for the damage escalation requires, its the escalation weapon

[misty walrus]

decoys setup

[jaunty surge]

Damn. For a 135 damage mag it's a 40% damage increase.

[urban latch]

you want the +50 mag from gunner

[jaunty surge]

Yeah for sure, but I can't switch currently or I make my AR's useless.

[proud junco]

What's the best refractor build? I enjoy skills and would like to be helpful when I run them. Currently have drone and stinger skills. 4 piece refactor with waveform and force multiplier backpack. Capacitor as my weapon.

[grizzled garnet]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19QJV66vqREDim4BKtW5qffSmsgN02tMd5LiuwUuJdGY/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.7vfhmvazeq14

impetus chest and force multiplier backpack

[proud junco]

Ty

[soft crane]

ugh, why Gear Spreadsheet is not being updated? Its been more than 3 weeks already ever since year 8 season 1 started.

[lunar imp]

i use a gr9 with measured for the high tier stuff outside of escalation, is an mk46 with frenzy the better option for high end content typically then?

[jaunty surge]

Thanks for the help dudes. Appreciate it.

[grizzled garnet]

because its a community effort. people have responsibilities outside of the game

[soft crane]

Who's managing the spreadsheet?

[grizzled garnet]

see the welcome page of the spreadsheet

[soft crane]

Right

No offense but they definitely need someone who's more active at maintaining the spreadsheet.

[shy willow]

I'm sure they're open to taking on more volunteers

[soft crane]

Interesting, should I?

fine I'll do it myself

[flint arch]

I spend 2 minutes typing a message only for all of my points to be taken lol

[lament lily]

I hadn't played since the houndsman event and my gosh this build is horrible 😭. Could i get some advice on fixing this so i could grind the cherry event a bit faster

[shy willow]

Kachow

[hazy steeple]

It's been a while since I've looked at the admin page, forgot how outdated it was.

[flint arch]

I wish I could contribute, but all I can do is proofread and nothing else

[livid sorrel]

I'm assuming the lack of a gear set is by choice

[ebon lantern]

Did they make any insane changes? With Y8?

[soft crane]

Still lack a bunch of new stuffs that were added since Year 8 season 1.

[flint arch]

not really, most of the stuff that were added in Y8S1 doesn't affect anything before, just that some new gear is still missing

and also stuff related to proto like augments

[dapper glacier]

since when community driven meaning changed? 👀

[soft crane]

Core Strength gearset, Agitator exotic, prototype, etc.

[grizzled garnet]

you dont have to use the spreadsheet. just be glad its still going almost 4 years later. also its been 5 days since it was last updated. idk about publicly though

nvm i misread the date. yes its been a while. still doesnt mean they must update immediately

[lament lily]

i uhhhhh dont know how to answer that, im uncertain

[soft crane]

Considering how important the spreadsheet is, yea they definitely need someone who's more active at maintaining the sheet. Though if theres better option, let me know.

[livid sorrel]

okay so, striker pieces, equalizer named chest, overdogs exotic gloves

[soft crane]

Also thanks for making the spreadsheet.

[ebon lantern]

That's fair. Guess for some reason I was really only looking at the build section cause I don't really use the others but I see what you mean

[grizzled garnet]

im not overly worried about updateness

[hazy steeple]

Don't take this the wrong way, but for the spreadsheet, they can't just get....anyone to update it. It needs to be someone who knows their stuff.

[gentle lichen]

And trolly troll trolls

[grizzled garnet]

i would assume their mismatched gear is because they're only shd33. not had much opportunity to farm

[gentle lichen]

I think the maintainers can surely trust me with the spreadsheet as i have many qualifications one of which is having 100+ shd

[shy willow]

I put my socks on before my shoes

[gentle lichen]

This guy is a genius make him a maintainer too

[flint arch]

i totally don't die instantly at the first room of DUA on story mode

[shy willow]

[flint arch]

also why does my exuro turret keep killing me in countdown

[gentle lichen]

We don't talk about the rogue encounter incident

[shy willow]

Why do my teammates always die I just sit with all blues and tank with shield skill issue

[flint arch]

sir

[gentle lichen]

I just call them scalers

They scale the mission with no real benefit

[fierce ether]

Yo guys, where can i see good passive modifiers combs for pve?

[shy willow]

The 6th directive

[flint arch]

i cleared t10 escalation with pvgc striker this must mean the striker guide is wrong and i am therefore more qualified to write it

[gentle lichen]

The 2nd decoy

[hazy steeple]

@fierce ether

[hazy steeple]

It's a 2nd Pistolero.

You only get ammo if you melee kill with a Mosquito.

[fierce ether]

Ty so much mate

[slim coral]

Is it worth having 58 CHC and 92 CHD or 52 CHC and 104 CHD?

[hazy steeple]

The closer you get to 60% CHC without going over, the better. Since the hard cap is 60%.
there's a formula to work out stuff exactly, but I like to just reverse the %'s.

[slim coral]

Thanks!

[lunar imp]

isn’t it just chc x chd?

[livid sorrel]

multiply chc by chd and see which one is higher
58 * 92 = 5336
52 * 104 = 5408

[hazy steeple]

nw.
you will get a free 10% CHC, and 20% CHD from the SHD Watch, which you can factor in to future builds.

[slim coral]

That's included in my calc 🙂

[slim coral]

Hmm, i'll check iKias calcs 😄

[livid sorrel]

it's just arithmetic but aight

[slim coral]

Seems a bit oversimplified, but i'm not that into the calcs of this game yet

[slim coral]

And no chock, you were right 😉

[livid sorrel]

Like i suppose if you wanted to compare stuff like trading chd for wd or something you'd need a calculator

[slim coral]

true

[outer wharf]

Does first bloom work well with hollow man?

[vernal wing]

By the time you get to health damage, you’ve already lost most of the buff from Blossom

Good against red bars Dogs/Heavies

[outer wharf]

Hmm that sucks

[vernal wing]

They are both great pieces, just probably rather something like foxes prayer or contractors

[foggy oar]

can a negotiators dilemma do well with turmoil kneepads? or are they counter intuitive?

[subtle bluff]

latter

you do less overall

[foggy oar]

gotcha

[foggy oar]

can anyone explain what the things in the circles mean? ik CHC and CHD = crit chance and crit dmg. but what does 2xCHC 0xCHD and 1xCHC 0xCHD LLP mean?

[solar sable]

weapon mods

LLP = Linked Laser Pointer

[foggy oar]

AHHHH, OFC, i'm so dumb

tyty

[junior lagoon]

that is a tech tank build that uses pulse. LLP pulses so you dont need to take headhosts

a shiled build by the late ikia. artificier hive tech as well. damage is a bit lacking imho

if i remember correctly he used acs because he had one stackbroker did not want to put flatline on it. you can find his excelllent build videos on youtube

[onyx sage]

"late" as in "no longer playing the game", just to clarify for other folks xD

[subtle bluff]

Back an Forth or Brazen should be on acs12 not flatline.

[hazy steeple]

I tell ya, he is going to get a hell of a shock with WF when it swings around to one of its droughts lol.

[grim bluff]

All that hype for Shadowgrapher and then it's just... lol? But that's every live service game really, there's always droughts, plenty of time to play other stuff. Guess it's harder when your job is making videos about games can't always fill in the gaps with alternative titles.

[junior lagoon]

so what are we using to replace overdogs in striker builds assuming i have equalizer

[onyx sage]

comfy options or more damage options?

[junior lagoon]

damage

[onyx sage]

salvo, 1p UA if you only use AR, 1p ceska, coyote

[junior lagoon]

i use iron lung most of the time. coyote and replace striker mask with gloves, right?

[onyx sage]

yeah