td2-build-advice

[flint arch]

i feel like having both equalizer and vigilance is going to be not as good because you're putting more stats in the same bucket

[soft crane]

Any suggestion? I didnt come up with this build btw.

[onyx sage]

eh there's not really an alternative besides gc

[soft crane]

mr.chow and infinity did i think

[flint arch]

now that i think about it, actually this is fine

it's more that the disparity between running equalizer and sacrifice will be larger here than say, comparing equalizer and sacrifice in a standard striker setup

i need to sleep holy shit

[livid sorrel]

im curious myself how equalizer+vigi and sacrifice+striker bp compare to each other

[soft crane]

same

I tested it and its good. I just made it because making a build is fun from time to time.

[onyx sage]

both using striker 4p?

[livid sorrel]

Yeah

[onyx sage]

sacrifice+striker bp setup, what's the last piece?

[livid sorrel]

overdogs

[onyx sage]

1.65 × 1.49

vs

1.9 × 1.3 (× 1.3 if overdogs active)

[unique fox]

just got kingbreaker first time here, what build suits this one ? ive been using carbine 7 for longest since hb build (new player from last month)

[halcyon sentinel]

what next? farm proto?

[soft crane]

err... I think you got the wrong talent for your chest piece

should be at least Obliterate

[halcyon sentinel]

oh you mean obliterate or perfect one?

yea was going to do that but the docs said slighly below so i stick with that

[misty walrus]

is the chest talent obliterate?

[halcyon sentinel]

it the spotter

[soft crane]

hmmm

I suppose it'll work for the time being

[soft crane]

I'd say 2 hours at best, now go back to Countdown.

[halcyon sentinel]

lol

[soft crane]

trust

[halcyon sentinel]

so cezka with obliterate or the unit alloy one with perfect?

[soft crane]

ceska if you still lack CHC

[clever merlin]

Either or

What's your chc

[halcyon sentinel]

47.7%

[clever merlin]

Ceska then

And Max chc on watch first too

[hoary raptor]

For pure dps is neg dilemma or strikers better?

[soft crane]

Strikers

[livid sorrel]

Nego does beat strikers if you're consistently marking and hitting 3 enemies, but striker is just easier

[halcyon sentinel]

okay thanks, watch is on the way chief

[hoary raptor]

And where does TS come into fact? I think I like TS for more dps

[soft crane]

the thing about Tipping Scale is, the time needed to reach max stack is fixed.

10 seconds without chest piece
15 seconds with chest piece

of course the backpack is a must just like Striker is

[livid sorrel]

If your mag is big enough to reach max stacks with a reasonable amount of bullets left, it should keep up with Striker

[soft crane]

Right, I forgot TS also increase mag size.

[onyx sage]

TS is just around striker level, nego is currently the best set for multi target

[steady canopy]

Really struggling to make a build due to not really knowing how use the optimization and recalibration stuff

Could someone pm me to help explain briefly how it works and how I would start getting my build

[teal ibex]

oh nice. is this full headshot aimed build?

[soft crane]

For starter its gonna take a whole lot of inventory management cuz everytime you see a maxed attribute, you can extract that attribute for your library. Which then you can use that attribute for recalibration later.

[soft crane]

Works both ways, cuz I got skill issue.

[teal ibex]

i got only guns left haha

[teal ibex]

hmm so its aimed on what attribute? crit chancd dmg? amd just prog the headshot multiplier via gun?

[soft crane]

Yeah go for CHC and CHD as usual.

[steady canopy]

I’ve figured out the part that I can extract stuff but I don’t know what I’m doing wrong as I can’t recalibrate certain slots

[livid sorrel]

You can only recalibrate cores, attributes, and talents and only once on an item

[soft crane]

If you already recalibrate an attribute or changes a talent, you can no longer change something else other than what you already changed.

[steady canopy]

Oh right ok thanks I didn’t know that

[steady canopy]

Thanks I honestly didn’t know that part

[soft crane]

Now go make Strikers build. Once you do, everything gets easy.

[steady canopy]

Alright I’ll go make a strikers build now

[soft crane]

@steady canopy Heres the most basic version. I assume your SHD level isnt high either so this configuration should do.

Focus on raising your Critical hit chance. 50% should be enough if you're wearing Coyote mask.

[steady canopy]

SHD level 56

[stone python]

Big Alejandro dropped, which third att should i re roll it for Chc or Damage to armor?

[soft crane]

Even lower than that guy.

[soft crane]

CHC, Alejandro doesnt have any mods.

[livid sorrel]

chc for lmgs always

[teal ibex]

aint damage to armor like. an always no matter what gun lol

[soft crane]

No, others always use Dtooc.

[steady canopy]

Yh I only started the game a couple weeks ago

[teal ibex]

so only lmg chc?

[soft crane]

Only LMG can be set to whatever you need but mostly CHC.

[teal ibex]

good to know. didnt reroll those

[soft crane]

Sure, take your time.

[fickle sparrow]

anyone know best flatline build? im running perfect spotter with contractor gloves and foxes prayer but the actual brand set bonus doesnt apply on 3 of them to my lexington so wondering whats the actual best build

[soft crane]

Isnt that for Heartbreaker build?

Either way i dont have nor use it so idk

[smoky latch]

Usually used for HB or in PvP. Doesn't do impressive damage in PvE

[fickle sparrow]

im doing an all gold build with coyote

[soft crane]

Yellow?

[smoky latch]

Use Glass Cannon 😄

[livid sorrel]

Anything goes at challenging

[smoky latch]

By gold he means high-end

[soft crane]

Oh

[fickle sparrow]

yeh soz high end/yellow

[smoky latch]

Yellow is Utility tho 😂

[soft crane]

Yeah im trippin, good night fellas

[smoky latch]

Lmao cya

[fickle sparrow]

i like it cause it gets to 1mill damage almost right away i just dont like that 3 out the 6 piece the brand bonus doesnt apply

[stone python]

still rolling

[uncut yarrow]

but why

[stone python]

💪

[earnest pendant]

+1 Big Alejandro enjoyer

People don’t know what they’re missing out on

[halcyon sentinel]

oh speaking of this my stat

[uncut yarrow]

its my go to backup build

im in the middle of something, current build sucks or just isnt feeling it, swap to TS Alejandro

[livid sorrel]

I'd trade some chd for chc

[earnest pendant]

What’s your main build

[uncut yarrow]

dont really have one

i run a new one basically every day (that i play)

[earnest pendant]

Always fun to try out different builds

[uncut yarrow]

today i just got Eagle Bearer so im gonna mess with that whilst also making a Bluescreen Nego build

i also have the pieces to make a Chatterbox Hunters Fury build

[earnest pendant]

Chatterbox is such a fun gun with the high rpm, but atp I might as well just use the Big Al

[smoky latch]

You can't really compare a SMG with a LMG :p

[uncut yarrow]

i dont think my hunters fury will be anywhere near as strong as Big Al

over here with sub optimal stats and still hitting 1.2 mil crits with 260 mag and such

[smoky latch]

@atomic turtle is pro with HF, he can tell you more about details

[uncut yarrow]

what i really need to do is work on journey so i can spec into headshot season dmg to make this eagle bearer a monster

guess ill try out Blackout Pulse now

[smoky latch]

Maybe a cookie monster

[uncut yarrow]

cookie monster eagle bearer would go hard

[smoky latch]

Nahhh

Those times are over but it's still alright

[uncut yarrow]

imma use it

see how it feels

[steady canopy]

Before I start upgrading things I have an item with all the attributes I want on it can I upgrade multiple of them to a higher number

[subtle bluff]

recal only once but can recal that one stats as many time as you want. Optimizing as many times as you need

[steady canopy]

Alright thanks

[halcyon sentinel]

should i use this and recal and optimize the rest?

[subtle bluff]

what brandset?

[halcyon sentinel]

cezka

[tulip charm]

recal talent and recal if you want just in case you get a better chest

[halcyon sentinel]

huh?

[onyx sage]

yes

[minor grove]

I tried but just don’t see the appeal 🫣

[earnest pendant]

Tipping Scales with it just shreds absolutely everything

[subtle bluff]

on nego it's pretty good.

[minor grove]

Running the m60 with measured 🫣 tried big al but damage was not even close

[earnest pendant]

What was the DPS difference?

[minor grove]

2 mil ish

At max stats

[rain fox]

M60 with frenzy on tipping scales is really good

[minor grove]

My m60 base is double big al

[earnest pendant]

Might have to take it for a spin

[minor grove]

It’s insanely good. With group buffs I hit 6 mil for headshots on the lower end of the mag

Solo I’m like 3.2 ish

[earnest pendant]

Yeah that's wild. With modifiers I'm hitting 1.9m crit headshots

[subtle bluff]

DPS not Per bullet...

[rain fox]

Better than measured because you lose no damage i compared the numbers from a spreadsheet and then took it for a few runs legendary and escalations no problem at all with corner peeking

I hit 1.4 per bullet or more max stacks to body not sure about head tho

[smoky latch]

The slow RoF makes it ass

[rain fox]

It's higher with frenzy tho gets wild

[subtle bluff]

The issues with that is the Frenzy uptime isn't great due frenzy running out.

[smoky latch]

You would need RoF as 3rd attribute and RoF possibly as magazine mod

Means less damage

Or perhaps Salvo

[subtle bluff]

Even then

[rain fox]

It's balanced out due to damage so it has better sustain over the same period already looked thought the numbers and even tested

[subtle bluff]

GR9 just wins.

[smoky latch]

Yeah GR9 > M60

[rain fox]

I agree because I enjoy the gr9 it shines for me on my od build

[smoky latch]

Numbers are one thing, that is what the paper says

[subtle bluff]

Since with 15 RoF it's Frenzy end with emptying the whole mag.

[smoky latch]

Realistic use is another topic

[rain fox]

Can wipe up to legendary any higher it's not up to scratch

[subtle bluff]

You can or it can?

[rain fox]

Can easily

After legendary ongoing directive gets replace for tipping or striker

Will post my od build later give it a shot only tested it on district union arena and it felt like challenging maybe

[subtle bluff]

K...

[rain fox]

Can you post that build I've yet to have a negotiated build would like to make 1

[smoky latch]

Should be in the spreadsheet

[rain fox]

Where can I find it please

[smoky latch]

Pins

[rain fox]

Thanks

[subtle bluff]

the same all of them just change the gearset

[rain fox]

That's a handy document it literally has everything in there thanks alot

[inland hound]

i watch this and im like, in my striker setup everything he shot would already be dead lmao

[subtle bluff]

hmm?

[inland hound]

just taking the time to spread stacks and nego

[subtle bluff]

To note this is on Bluescreen that doesn't have a great burst DPS.

and this is a really old clip..

[inland hound]

ooooh makes sense

never been a bluescreen fan aswell i guess

[subtle bluff]

It's lil bit more impressive when this is done on Tidal Leggo.

Just on DUA leggo I reproduce this 95% of the time..

[keen plank]

Whats the best variation of striker to use in escalation? Right now I'm using striker chest and bp + coyotes and a ceska holster. Is hollowman worth using for the higher tiers?

[subtle bluff]

Hollowman just because DTH stats can get pretty high for Proto. IMO one or 2 people having overdogs and cleaning tho teirs is rather good.

[keen plank]

Hmm ok. Will make some adjustments to my strikers then. Thanks

[copper yarrow]

Ranger vs Boomerang, which would be the better choice for a rifle for damage?

[subtle bluff]

Depends what's going on. I'd question what the build if those were the best choices.

[copper yarrow]

Want to try out rifle DPS builds, 2 piece Zoo, Sacrifice and the gift, overdogs and fox prayers. Using Lightweight M4 as main and UIC mod 2 as secondary

[cerulean smelt]

🤔 why not ditch overdogs and go tinker and use both ranger and boomerang?

[subtle bluff]

Try OD for rifles

[copper yarrow]

Nice idea.

[copper yarrow]

Got it I will try that gearset. But what about the main guns talent?

[subtle bluff]

Sadist

[copper yarrow]

Gotcha. Ty man

[obtuse shoal]

I'm loving this Umbra build so lovely

[cerulean smelt]

just don't post pictures of the complete build unless you're ready to have it torn apart

[obtuse shoal]

no need it works for me 🗣️

[slim girder]

after returning to umbra last month, i completely forgot how incredible it is

[solar berry]

Or… don’t say anything about it

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i meant to includ don't even type it all out either 😹

[solar berry]

Words or pics

Ask questions. Not feedback

Like “is this good for the weapon?”
insert pic

[cerulean smelt]

pretty much, or if you happen to run it with 1 or 2 blues or run particular exotics 😹

[solar berry]

I mean… questions goes a long way then sum like “is my build good”

Ask “what can I do to improve my build”

Depends which one you ask… you get a good feedback/answer. or get ripped into for shit build (or to someone thinks it’s shit)

[cerulean smelt]

or sometimes both feedback and ripped up 😹

[solar berry]

One is more brutal than the other

If you openly say is my build is good and it’s clearly not… your gonna get ripped into. Then feedback later… or brutal feedback off rip

[hexed steppe]

Check out this YouTube build i found

[solar berry]

Omg 😆

[cerulean smelt]

😹 local

[hexed steppe]

What, its so good

Never knew nbb unlocked godmode

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, especially great 😹

[solar berry]

Yo. This YT build looks sick yall. Do you recommend it?

[clever merlin]

Unrelated but I hope next season has no new gear/weapons and is just a big balance pass especially on skills with escalation pushing everyone into a red build

[cerulean smelt]

Uh, red builds has been a thing since div 2 launch

[smoky latch]

DPS is king in this game and that won't change

But I agree they should slow down on new stuff and fix/adjust the existing things

[cerulean smelt]

Funny you post this opinion in build advice though

[hexed steppe]

one balance pass can change the meta... just imagine skills 3-4x more powerful

[cerulean smelt]

Local will be a god then

[slim girder]

meta this meta that, I'm such an eb glazer, I'll stick with it

[sly estuary]

Have any of you meta woman?

[slim girder]

im counting looking in the mirror lol

[inland hound]

whats a woah man?

ive never heard of it

[cerulean smelt]

prepare for a reaming 😹

[mild flame]

haha ok well nvm then

[cerulean smelt]

was just letting you know ahead of time what's to come if you kept it up. i can tell you one would be to ditch 2 pieces on it the first is the mask, and either hte chest or backpack, i forget which is which for an exotic or high end piece

[hexed steppe]

you keep hb chest

[cerulean smelt]

so you'd have Memento backpack + a ceska piece (big al has absolutely no mods) so you need that chance

[exotic talon]

skill tier core strength is insane

[subtle bluff]

meh..

Fun stuff nothing meta changing

[exotic talon]

for regular hybrid builds, sure
but capacitor gets to double dip on weapon damage and skill tier scaling

what im currently running, i intend to swap out the mask for triple red investor and turmoil for regular ceska later

also ignore the skills theyre for proficiency

[solar berry]

I still wish we got alpha bridge in Div2. Please devs 😭

My top fav gear set from div1

[obtuse shoal]

it was fun while it lasted...

[slim girder]

well, the tinkerer mask does the same thing, sorta hehe

[solar berry]

New gearset is abit like it. But it don’t feel the same 😔

[slim girder]

gearset? which one would you be referring to?

[solar berry]

This one

New one

[slim girder]

oohhh i see

honestly, the only thing I've been aware of that is anything like Alpha Bridge in div2 is the tinkerer mask lol

[sly estuary]

Xbox player, checks out

[inland hound]

that one must've hurt the fragile non existent ego, sorry boss

won't happen again boss

[sly estuary]

Good

[stone python]

Little Big AL + tipping hit like a truck

[plush cloak]

Which is preferred on tinkerer striker build paired with measured - Carbine with killer or famas with killer?

[smoky latch]

Big Al fires too fast to benefit from TS's full stacks. You're going through a bunch of ammo

Fits better on Striker's I might say

[copper yarrow]

I use bluescreen with this setup, large mag, decent RPM for tipping scales and fast reload

[stone python]

Iron Lung or Bluescreen?

[smoky latch]

Either is good

[exotic talon]

bullet king tipping scales my beloved

[short verge]

bluescreen against black tusk for sure

[noble pelican]

Currently running BK + Striker in Countdown and it's stupid just how much of your brain you can turn off lol

Finally got the perfect GR9 roll with CHC so the perk is switchable, however.

[smoky latch]

Fits perfect to the activity

[copper yarrow]

Also what's the better third attribute on Iron lung? DTH or DTA?

[solar sable]

lmgs need CHC always

[copper yarrow]

I use bluescreen with Tipping and iron lung with striker. Big Al stacks striker stupid fast but I don't like being in cover too much lol

[copper yarrow]

Yeah but IL has an inbuilt 10% CHC mod.

I have CHC as third attribute on Bluescreen and Big Al

[smoky latch]

Generally CHC but there's edge cases

[noble pelican]

10% isn't much, when you realize other LMG's can run 3 parts for 5% each and the 9.5% from the attribute.

[copper yarrow]

Oof okay time to spend some exotic comps

[copper yarrow]

I really don't use HE lmgs, love Iron lung and Bluescreen too much lol

But what's some good HE lmgs that I can try? I'm think MG5 and GR9?

[noble pelican]

Personally running MK46 with Frenzy and now the GR9 with Killer.

[smoky latch]

MK46 finally getting some attention lately

[copper yarrow]

Need an exotic GR9 with good talent next lol

[smoky latch]

As if, lol

[subtle bluff]

The end value number you're looking at from CHC vs DTA/DTH
CHC 9.5 = CHD 24
vs
DTA 6%
DTH 9%? (I can't remember if it's 9 or less)

with both DTA/DTH not always on.

[copper yarrow]

What does chc 9.5 = chd 24 mean?

[stone python]

Was checking this Agent build well dang

[subtle bluff]

Because getting more CHC mean you can get more CHD

[subtle bluff]

Meh.

Could be better. That trying to proto what they believe is better from normal PvE bulids

[copper yarrow]

Understood!

[copper yarrow]

I don't understand how so many people are running full proto sets soo soon.. how tf they got so many proto and exo cores

[stone python]

same idk how lol

[steady canopy]

With this exact build could I change the AR for the st. Elmo’s

[shell olive]

what is the blackout pulse?

[stone python]

is this an exo core?

the one that is purple?

[smoky latch]

Keep it

[copper yarrow]

That's a prototyped attribute

[smoky latch]

DTOC is nice, better than AR damage roll

[stone python]

Not my weapon im still checking this guy's full proto build

[earnest pendant]

Blue cores on striker is a disappointment

[smoky latch]

Ah ok

[steady canopy]

This isn’t my build that’s just a guide I’m following

[earnest pendant]

I wouldn't recommend following that

[subtle bluff]

Rogue Gold build guide thingy..

[smoky latch]

Bloodsucker backpack should be replaced with Striker's backpack and one piece PS with WD core and double crits

[subtle bluff]

I don't get the YT hype up bloodsucker so much

[copper yarrow]

Ditch the blue cores, replace the bag with striker

[smoky latch]

OP SURVIVABILITY

[subtle bluff]

I'd almost rather see NBB....

[earnest pendant]

Killing the enemies before they kill you is the best form of survivability

[smoky latch]

Oof 😂

[fickle sparrow]

with negotiaters dilemma if i say crit hit target 1 then do multiple crit hits on target 2 does target 1 take all the crit hits i do on target 2 aswell? aslong as its within the 20secs its marked?

[subtle bluff]

It doesn't say it well but you can mark as many as you want want. You can only dmg 3 at a time

[fickle sparrow]

@subtle bluff see it should say ''all other marked enemies take 60% of crit hit damage dealt'' to make it nice n clear for me lol

ok ty i understand

oh i missed the stacking up to 20 times part ....i guess i should have seen that

[subtle bluff]

Dev aren't good with breaking these thing up well.

Crit hits mark enemies.

[fickle sparrow]

im tryin it in retaliation with bluescreen as it should play well due to high volume of enemies

[steady canopy]

Alright I’ll ditch the blue cores

Could someone that’s good at the game help me find a good beginners build if you can help pm a link to a video

[grizzled loom]

Red core strikers

[steady canopy]

Alright I’ll start farming strikers now

[steady canopy]

So no other gear set just full strikers

[subtle bluff]

Above

[slim sorrel]

Anyone able to tell me if ND pesti would be good for solo escals? and also whats better for the 3rd atribute CHC/CHD/DTA?
I want to also be able to play with Bluescreen on the same build as well

T3/4 or T5 Solo escals...

[solar sable]

pesti doesnt synergize with Nego

LMGs need CHC always, you could use DTH but from Hollow Man

[slim sorrel]

hmm okay i want to test a solo lmg build for escals and was hoping to use pesti for the tick and ND for transfers on dmg

[onyx sage]

the pesti tick is pathetically low for escal

[solar sable]

pesti ticks are pure Weapon DMG and nego doesnt work for pesti

[slim sorrel]

Would ND / Bluescreen be better?

[onyx sage]

ND with frenzy gr9, or m249/mk46 is better

you want frenzy for escal

[slim sorrel]

😩 i just got off the frenzy brrrrt train haha but ok

[solar sable]

frenzy is BiS for Escal

[slim sorrel]

much love thanks for the info

[subtle bluff]

brrrrt too much at lovebirds eeeh

[atomic pebble]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16HdKj8x-LlXJCcVPAWNZWIb0SXcQOmAfAh1cHYYsxwI/edit?tab=t.0
What am I reading here I am confused.
There is no Unwavering or Measured for shotgun.
If Lefty is BiS for stacking, Stat Broker is slighty faster than Lefty at what?

[onyx sage]

just incorrect bullet point indentation. fixed it, the talents are for smgs

[atomic pebble]

so is lefty bis for this build? to stack faster

[onyx sage]

you don't really need it, you get to max stacks fine with AR

[solar sable]

that ^

[onyx sage]

it's only useful with striker chest builds

[solar sable]

I'm gonna change that, it's a bit misleading

[atomic pebble]

so I can use whatever I want for secondary

[onyx sage]

anything that's automatic fire, yeah

[solar sable]

this should do

[atomic pebble]

Idk if anyone can edit that guide but as a new player, I would say it doesn't cover everything. I think every alternative build should just cover attributes, mods and basically everything.
Like this one. Plus weapons too.

[solar sable]

wdym? it doesnt need it since the images show the attributes and everything that's required

[oak flume]

anyone got any suggestions to make this build better for dz? just had a idea and threw it together

[atomic pebble]

critical hit chance and critical hit damage have the same icon

[solar sable]

they... have the same icon

[atomic pebble]

yeah look, I was doing the left one and Idk which one is chc and which one is chd. I just started a week ago. I still don't know btw I made it my self lol.
but on the right side it's good and clear.

[earnest pendant]

How are you 6 skill tiers?

[solar sable]

check

[atomic pebble]

thanks

[lone wadi]

Use capacitor, get skill tier 6, use picaros and 1 unit alloy piece

[stone python]

This guy got triple maxed Proto rolls, and on top of that, he got Echo on the augment. How can someone be this lucky?

[lone wadi]

It’s rng bro

[grizzled garnet]

their luck is used up for the next 5 generations

[clear quarry]

Hey guys what do you think of this build? I'm liking it more than strikers. Any advice?

[solar sable]

why do you have two famas with the same talent equipped?

[clear quarry]

What talent should I use? To maximize dmg output?

[solar sable]

Measured and use a different type of weapon as backup

I'd rather use UA instead of Royal tbh

is that Composure in your bag?

[open pulsar]

Killer or strained for crit, streamline for base damage if you dont use skills that much

[clear quarry]

Yeah the bulldog I always play in cover. 4 ua od gloves and what?

[open pulsar]

Equalizer chest?

[solar sable]

try this, you can play around it but keep 3pc UA

[open pulsar]

Is that perfect glass cannon ... well thats one way to get your damage up

[solar sable]

if you ain't using perfect glass cannon then you ain't having fun

[open pulsar]

One hit wonder, literally

[clear quarry]

That's interesting. Yeah I'll try that. I left the game while ago haven't tried ua yet.

[solar sable]

there's no such thing as getting one shot, Healthgate exists

[clear quarry]

Thanks

[open pulsar]

Still, being at a slither of health 5 secs into an engagement is ... optimal actually

[solar sable]

imagine getting shot /j

[open pulsar]

Imagine not facetanking with ~1mil armor and no regen smh

[solar sable]

-insert Ah, Rosie, I like this boy!-

[open pulsar]

-insert I have no clue what thats from!

[solar sable]

Spider-Man 2, when Doc Ock meets Peter

[open pulsar]

Damn I probably should know that, anyway

[violet nexus]

Does core strength all blue work for tank build or would I do no damage

[solar sable]

tanks are useless and so is CS in PvE

[open pulsar]

Just pulled this damn near perfect coyote's

First I ever got

[oak flume]

im not?

[oak flume]

eh i tried that but it does less dmg then this build and i dont really like most of the dmging skill options

[torn sail]

absolute monster, this

[violet nexus]

What would be the best pve set?

[soft crane]

Yeah no, you're not going to reach max stack for Strained with that gun.

[soft crane]

Ol'Reliable, Striker's battlegear.

[torn sail]

true, RPM vs time to each. wonder what talent would work

[soft crane]

level 40 starter guide @torn sail@violet nexus Give this guide a read if you havent.

[soft crane]

Killer.

[torn sail]

ah right

[lusty hamlet]

Does anyone what are the standard skills and high end brand for an escalation FI birdies healer build?
Thinking about adjusting my regular FI build with the setup and BTSU gloves but not sure what skills are meta for escalation or what high end brand to use

[solar sable]

plus you need DTOC on it

[solar sable]

Birdies is not meant to be run all the time, it's more of a hotswap item

[versed summit]

Not sure it's solidified yet, but alps is probably the best option.

Hana-U or improvised if you want more skill haste,

Murakami or shiny monkey for more skill duration

Actually improvised is better than alps too

[lusty hamlet]

In that case I should not run exotic and swap backpack only when someone dies and they don't have hive res?

[solar sable]

or OC with BTSU and get their hives back online

[lusty hamlet]

Oh, so BTSU gloves still good then? was unde the impression everyone was running birdies since I see ppl asking for those very frequently

[grizzled garnet]

Birdies is nice but not something you run the entire time

[solar sable]

BTSU are awesome to spread OC on your allies

[open pulsar]

Try the dark winter, it has perfect killer

[lusty hamlet]

I'll keep that in mind then, thanks for the ideas!

[ornate brook]

Yo. So I have a really high dps build, the main item was investor at 3 red 1 blue, I tried rerolling it, guess what happened, never got even a 3 cores. Anyway, asking people 10k+, do I keep trying or replace it with smth else, dont suggest dogs or cayote, not a fan of those

[versed summit]

Its not worth it. Just use a ceska or gryoo mask then

[lusty hamlet]

Hollowman is pretty popular nowadays for escalation for the health damage roll, contractor gloves or fox prayers kneepads are also pretty meta.

[ornate brook]

This is how it looks rn, I want to replace the backpack.

[lusty hamlet]

Exodus gloves are also pretty good if you dont mind some survivability over dps

[subtle bluff]

what's really high DPS?

[ornate brook]

7-8 mil

When stacks at the top from the backbone, its more like 9 I think

I know you can get more, for me rn its high enough

Contractor sounds nice btw, but not having an exo in gear kills me 🙁

[lusty hamlet]

could also consider tinkerer mask if you are not using exotic or named weapons

[solar sable]

range DPS meter is trash btw

[subtle bluff]

You getting from math or from the range?

[ornate brook]

Range yeah

Its not the point lol anyway

[subtle bluff]

That thing is wrong

It's not that high of DPS

[ornate brook]

.

[subtle bluff]

Just saying if that's your build it's not that high of DPS buid.

[ornate brook]

Bro okay, whatever, its a build advice chat, not judging builds chat

[subtle bluff]

Giving advice on builds is the idea.

[warped crypt]

what's the difference between 1886 determined and hotshot model 1700 determined? is 1886 more worth it?

[subtle bluff]

Depends on the build

[solar sable]

No one was judging. Don't misinterpret what we are trying to do here, we are trying to get you to not use the Range DPS meter as a measurement

[ornate brook]

Anyway, thank you that one person who actually gave an advice

[atomic pebble]

@solar sable what smg do you suggest personally for this build?

[soft crane]

Dark Winter.

[onyx sage]

tac vectors or smg-9 (non-a2)

[lone wadi]

interesting cause capacitor takes full advantage of coure strength's buffs

and stickies are literally free kills btw so not sure why you wounldnt want to run one, especially since they can be at t6

[oak flume]

i just dont enjoy skill crutch gameplay only ever really use utility skills

[lone wadi]

i guess bro...

use what you can to your advantage, its all fair game

[oak flume]

ig its a fire rate thing but the build in the pic has the same armor and was hitting a good bit higher dps

[lone wadi]

how are you calculating this dps

[oak flume]

shooting range

[lone wadi]

yeah dont use that

[solar sable]

@oak flume

[lone wadi]

either math it out yourself or test in dz

[oak flume]

how?

[solar sable]

shoot a bit, stop shooting, watch the meter go down every second

it's literally useless

[oak flume]

and even if the dps itself isnt accurate wouldnt comparing the 2 builds the same way still be a accurate comparison?

[oak flume]

thats how dps works lol?

[timid oyster]

So is their another build i can do i cant keep strikers up or i die easy in challengeing. Any advice?

[solar sable]

so you're telling me the enemy is still taking dmg after you stopped shooting?

[solar sable]

don't run&gun, you gotta improve your gameplay to not get shot

[timid oyster]

Oh im in cover i still get plasted

Yeah plaated works lpl

[fringe walrus]

the thing in the firing range doesnt keep taking dmg dps is your damage per second so the number going down means you arrent doing damage

[oak flume]

no but dps is damage a second say you shoot and do 800 dmg but can only shoot every 2 seconds that 2nd you dont shoot lowers you to 400dps

[solar sable]

don't vault, stay behind a tall cover and use LoS (Line of Sight) to your advantage

[oak flume]

same reason why if you let it run for several seconds and dont reset it its impossible to get the dps number back up

[timid oyster]

I do i get flanked hard or exploded on

[oak flume]

bc its factoring in you not doing the dmg into your dps

[solar sable]

use decoy

[timid oyster]

Is that one of those rogue tech or whatever i got in brooklyn is

[solar sable]

it's still not how you should measure DPS, you need a dedicated calculator to do it for you

[solar sable]

WoNY

[oak flume]

it literally is how you measure dps time spent not doing dmg factors into your dps lol

[solar sable]

Again, Range DPS is not a good measurement

[shy willow]

The firing range DPS calculator is notoriously bad for benchmarking builds

Wildly inaccurate

[oak flume]

like i said even if the actual number is off for some reason comparing both the same way with the same inaccuracy is still gunna give you an idea of which is doing more dmg

[lone wadi]

ouro also just has terrible damage per mag in general

and you cant fight long range

[solar sable]

no it isnt

[fringe walrus]

how else would you test the dps? just curious since nothing else shows you the actual dps

[versed summit]

do you understand why it's inaccurate? because if not, there's no guarantee at all that you can get valid results

[oak flume]

please explain how testing 2 builds the exact same way isnt a accurate comparison lol

[versed summit]

'calculate it

[timid oyster]

So i do t have decoy

[solar sable]

you need a dedicated calculator to do it for you, do u want it?

[fringe walrus]

yeah

[oak flume]

unless its a diff reason for every gun then its still a accurate comparison of the 2

[solar sable]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FaDDfFIqOgdTfceG2ByFvmgStZ6K7whC-7LdND6WXL0/edit?usp=drivesdk

that's a basic calculator, the most simple but effective, there are more elaborate ones

[oak flume]

the number itself may not be accurate but if you shoot your gun for say 4 seconds and then shoot the other build for the same amount of time its gunna show you which build will do more dmg in 4 secs

[timid oyster]

Yup strikers dont work in challeging

[shy willow]

?

[timid oyster]

I keep dying on challenging even when in cover

[solar sable]

"It's not about the car you drive, it's the driver driving the car that does the driving".

[lone wadi]

start learning positioning and target prioritization

[timid oyster]

Cant help if i die in cover or get flanked and 3 taped

[oak flume]

sounds like you need a diff build

[livid sorrel]

problem exists between controller and chair

[lone wadi]

so dont get flanked

[solar sable]

it's not about the build...

[versed summit]

sounds like you pushed to hard. It just takes some getting used to.

[shy willow]

Just a matter of play style adjustment ^

[oak flume]

are you fr? so you're saying 2 builds one with no mods and all low stats is gunna be the same as a diff build with survivability and all maxed stats?

[shy willow]

He meant as in there's nothing wrong with striker

People have run it in infinitely harder content than challenging

[solar sable]

People have been able to clear Heroic content with lvl1/grey gear. You tell me.

[oak flume]

yeah but saying its not about the build is just wrong lol

[solar sable]

how is it wrong?

[livid sorrel]

striker is the easiest build to run it's honestly a playstyle issue

[shy willow]

If I die with a max PFE unbreakable catharsis whatever tank was the build not tanky enough or was I playing like shit

[oak flume]

ok and some people beat elden ring with no items doesnt mean 2 diff builds are gunna have the same comfortability

[lone wadi]

we are not talking about comfortability

op initially said striker doesnt work on challenging, and we just simply said its not striker that doesnt work, its the player who needs to learn how to use it

[solar sable]

brother, we just said they have to adjust their playstyle

[oak flume]

no shit but when someone goes yeah im using striker and im dying a lot what can i do id imagine he prolly is the basic 900k armor full striker no survivability build

[lone wadi]

which is what you use to clear the hardest content in the game btw

[livid sorrel]

what do you suggest then

[oak flume]

and one bag change would lower his dmg a bit but help him survive a whole lot more

[timid oyster]

Like?

[solar sable]

I call Foundry Tank to be mentioned

[shy willow]

I run this in high tier escalation where you will regularly be health gated in 1/2 shots yet I have no survivability

[lone wadi]

gotta be something with ninjabike

[shy willow]

Positioning is the best too, but also muh decoy as mentioned prior

[timid oyster]

Huh

[timid oyster]

Is that epic gear?

[timid oyster]

Dont have decoy

[oak flume]

no surviablity would even help in escalation

[lone wadi]

it would also be nice to see what exactly you mean by 'striker doesn't work', so we can see what the problem is

[solar sable]

you have to adjust your strategies. your playstyle, dont push too much

[lone wadi]

now youre just plain wrong because enemies heal based on your armour

[versed summit]

learning positioning

[solar sable]

Prototype

[timid oyster]

900k armour? Tru 700k

[oak flume]

what i mean is no matter how tanky you are in tier 10 es you will still get clapped in 3 bullets basically

[shy willow]

The gear itself isn't the point but rather that I'm not running anything defensive whatsoever

[timid oyster]

I dont push i get over run

[shy willow]

Yet still keep up in very demanding content

[livid sorrel]

don't rush in, don't expose yourself to more enemies than the guy you're shooting, watch your flanks

[shy willow]

I'm not a particularly goated player it just takes some adjustment

[oak flume]

yeah but you arent a guy asking for survival suggestions in challenging -_-

[shy willow]

It's directed to you, not them

There is nothing wrong with striker...

[livid sorrel]

what's your idea then if you insist he switch off the easiest build to play

[oak flume]

never said there was

[willow sigil]

just run a couple blues until you improve its not that big of a deal

youre not going to get better by constantly banging your head against the wall

[shy willow]

Never mind man

[oak flume]

someone said hey im dying a lot and getting 3 tapped in challenging difficulty and all i said was prolly need switch up the build lol

[solar sable]

answer the question then

[oak flume]

didnt say drop striker entirely adding say a blood sucker bag instead of striker bag while yes dropping your dmg some would let you have way more survivability or memento or anything like that

bc for even heroic content you dont need that much dmg

can easily drop ~20% dmg to 100x your survivability in base game content like that and be fine

wouldn't use it in a raid but he didnt say he needed a raid build from what he said hes doing solo challenging lvl content which that would be fine for

[solar sable]

Bloodsucker doesnt work if you cant kill

[oak flume]

if you cant kill with stiker even with no bag then something is def wrong

[smoky latch]

Pls use more named items in the same build

Chill out mask or so is still missing :p

[solar sable]

Chill Out bruh...

[ornate brook]

Screenshot is not for you chill

[oak flume]

hell if you cant kill ads in challenging with golds there is a issue

[livid sorrel]

could probably run salvo there

[ornate brook]

WAit before any advices

I wanna replace backbone

[solar sable]

he was throwing a joke but alr

[lone wadi]

chill out 🤣 🤣

[smoky latch]

I have not declared this build a crime scene yet

[ornate brook]

Bro run your striker elmo and chill, screenshot was not for you

[livid sorrel]

??? how dare he give build advice in #td2-build-advice

[solar sable]

it's. a. joke.

[smoky latch]

Just joking around, why so sensitive? 🙁

[fringe walrus]

thoughts comments concerns?

[livid sorrel]

pvp build i assume

[fringe walrus]

its a pvp build which is why defend drone is there

[ornate brook]

I barely sent a screenshot and what advice was I given ? "Can you run more named items", is that an advice ?

[lone wadi]

thats a small poke bro chillax

[solar sable]

IT WAS A JOKE GODDAMMIT

[livid sorrel]

it's a joke dawg chill

[smoky latch]

In case I have to mention it for some people: the self-given title in my name here is also merely sarcasm, just for fun

[lone wadi]

drop hive run fire or expl[osive sticky

[fringe walrus]

i dont have it yet :/

[lone wadi]

just do the mission then

[ornate brook]

Well I didnt find it funny

[fringe walrus]

nah

[lone wadi]

bruh.

[oak flume]

lmfao

its bc its not the build bro he just has to use hive better

[lone wadi]

idk what ur on about

[oak flume]

the other dude saying its not abt build when that striker guy said he was dying in 3 shots

[fringe walrus]

idk how to properly use the hive tbh... i kinda just throw at people and pray

[shy willow]

Depends on the hive

[timid oyster]

I do 190k a crit before striker kocks in assumeing i dont miss half my shots

[fringe walrus]

stinger

[livid sorrel]

just let it go bruh holy 😭

[lone wadi]

stinger just tickles and annoys people

[shy willow]

Just treat it as a grenade tbh

[oak flume]

thats really low ngl

[fringe walrus]

thats the point

[lone wadi]

the point is you want a kill not be annoying bro

forgot to say stinger also gives easy negotiator chains

[fringe walrus]

nah i wanna annoy them

[oak flume]

riot foam

[timid oyster]

Well hence why im tryong to farm challenging. But might drop the diffculty

[shy willow]

I die in 3 shots also the difference being I generally dont get shot much

[lone wadi]

hey man you run the build how you like

[oak flume]

if you need help farming better gear lmk im down to help whenever

[fringe walrus]

the stinger hive has actually been doing good ive killed a few people with it

[oak flume]

o wait you on psn so wellwhen crossplay gets added hmu lol

[lone wadi]

that's great bro 👍 👍

[timid oyster]

I get blown a lot due to drones and burned due to not blastem them flamie dudes or them heavy armoured doods

[timid oyster]

Is it coming

[fringe walrus]

thanks :D

[shy willow]

The idea on an all red is to kill everything before you get overwhelmed like that

[timid oyster]

So 53% crit rate and 45% crit damage is low then i take it

[shy willow]

Quite

[oak flume]

yeah should be soonish also check dms

[solar sable]

can you please send your whole build?

we might be able to take it higher

[timid oyster]

Migjt be hard on playstation but om

[subtle bluff]

Phone pic!

[solar sable]

the oblivious phone camera pic

[solar sable]

the idea is great but there are some things that don't make it

[livid sorrel]

you want crit attributes on your gear, enough to get you to a 1 chc to 2 chd ratio

[timid oyster]

Like

[timid oyster]

And aw crap math

[livid sorrel]

It's like basic arithmetic?

[lone wadi]

not math, easy: chc as close to 60, then crit dmg

see how you have random blue and yellow attributes? just make those crit rate or dmg but swittching gear mods and recalibrating pieces

[timid oyster]

Ay 59.8 crit rate

[queen mauve]

@ornate brook no I havent tried tinkerer

Dont even have one i gotta go do the master mission

[ornate brook]

Trust me, do it

[queen mauve]

OH we have similar builds

[ornate brook]

For any type of content I found this build melting everything, even hunters it CD

[timid oyster]

Also i dont have any mods

[queen mauve]

Whats your sustain dps

[timid oyster]

Well offeinve mods

[ornate brook]

You mean on the range ?

[queen mauve]

Yee

[ornate brook]

Sec

[queen mauve]

The build i have is VERY similar

I use salvo holster for 10% fire rate ontop of the talent

[ornate brook]

Named 5 m for 3 mags without a skills that triggers on kill, its 8.900

[timid oyster]

Can i make offiencive mods

[solar berry]

I run the exact same. But exo hands

[ornate brook]

Yeah with that thing you dont need rpm

because one of the talents on the gun gives it huge boost

[ornate brook]

But its very important to trigger the skill because it gives +70 crit damage

[queen mauve]

I use striker chest to get the 200 stack so the rpm helps that a lot

Ill need to get that mask

[solar berry]

Chest is good on high end content

[ornate brook]

Rpm is 1020+45%

[queen mauve]

I got my build from a high end content guide

[ornate brook]

Its like 1500

[solar berry]

High end is like legendary/escalation … maybe raid dps. But not really need tbh lol

[livid sorrel]

sb chest only really good when the enemies have so much health that you can stack to max on them, the stacks decay too fast otherwise

[ornate brook]

facts!!!!

[solar berry]

^

[timid oyster]

Welp my dps went up to 1m with 59% crit rate and 98%chd

[solar berry]

Bullet sponge hell is striker chest heaven

[ornate brook]

Sorry for ignoring, yes you can

[ornate brook]

From what ?

[livid sorrel]

i wouldn't bring a full highend build to high tier escalation, it's fine for legendary imo

[queen mauve]

Sorry the wording of this is confusing me a bit

[ornate brook]

They say, like build are different a little

[timid oyster]

Oh 1.8m. And maybe like theblow 1m range

[queen mauve]

Like you wouldnt bring a striker chest to anything other than escalation?

[solar sable]

dont use the range meter as a measurement pls

[ornate brook]

Because the new mode you play requires another approach

[livid sorrel]

High end builds(all yellow items

[queen mauve]

Heard

[solar berry]

Chest is for very tanky enemies. High HP enemies

[timid oyster]

Uh why?

[ornate brook]

Yeah that you can stack the stacks on, if you melt them too fast there is not point of having the 200 cap, 100 would be just enough

[solar sable]

its innacurate

[timid oyster]

Then what do o ise

[solar berry]

Heroic, or below, no need for chest. Can’t keep up with 100-200 stacks nonstop.

[livid sorrel]

dps calculator in the pins

[solar sable]

just what you see on screen, using a dps calculator is a bit more advanced

[ornate brook]

Thats why you want equalizer instead

[solar berry]

BP, and obliterate chest do very well for 90% of PvE content even high end

On a crit build ofc

[ornate brook]

Guys im too high to understand anything rn and as the mater of fact its even harder to write, I love you all and wish you the best, gonna watch a movie

[queen mauve]

Im really struggling with heroic and above content bcs im soloing everything

Thank you thirty mag

[solar berry]

Have fun. Sober up and be safe

[solar berry]

Can always matchmake

[queen mauve]

Everyone leaves the moment the wind blows against them in an uncomfortable way

(After 1 wipe or before even a wipe)

[solar berry]

I mean it is late at night for us in NA.

[timid oyster]

Thats way to complex for me

[solar berry]

Try during Noon-Evening ish.

[solar sable]

ik, that's why I said the first part

[solar berry]

It’s also the peak in NA for every game

[queen mauve]

Thats when I was lfging 🙁

[solar berry]

Just saying, most people will fully run a heroic. Some do leave early, but it’s also late at night for NA… most people do get tried and hop off.

[livid sorrel]

the humble asian servers:

[solar berry]

Then there is some people stuck up cuz it’s not ez pz first time running it. So they end up leaving on first wipe, even at the boss for no reason

[soft crane]

yes?

[delicate hill]

anyone know what the report me thing is about?

[soft crane]

dunno

[delicate hill]

another question what exatly does skill effciency do? and would it affect the buffs applied by smart cover, like giving more bonus armor or DTTOC?

[smoky latch]

It buffs all skill categories

[solar sable]

fk he was faster

[delicate hill]

categories being, damage, health, repair, skills and duration?

[solar sable]

and haste

[smoky latch]

Ya

[delicate hill]

alright so by that logic it would not affect the actual buffs from smart cover

[smoky latch]

Exactly. Only the skill mods do

[subtle bluff]

new stuff on buildstation is breaking mx builder

[smoky latch]

Which is like two at a time or so

[delicate hill]

mk so i would need to mod farm and or get more tiers

[solar berry]

Skill efficiency is like WH for weapons. But for skills.

As I mean by this, it effect. Skill duration, cooldown ect.

As WH for weapons, effects stability, handling, accuracy ect.

[delicate hill]

Yea I kinda figured but wanted to make sure since I'm looking at doing core strength I figure I better figure it out lol

[hexed steppe]

Skill damage, skill haste, skill health, skill repair, skill duration, status effects

[hearty orbit]

How viable is investor for skill builds (particularly refactor and EP)

i happened to get a Skill Tier, SD SH SE roll and am curious if its worth using, or if i should keep fishing for the all red one

[smoky latch]

Not a good choice; ideally you want a HE backpack and a HE chest for Refactor

Buffing skill efficiency can't compensate for the missing chest or bp

[lone wadi]

think i saw somewhere in another discord that said investor mask does more fire ticks than vile, so maybe consider using for EP? not sure

[smoky latch]

Fire could be worth it, gotta try

[hearty orbit]

ty ty

[hexed steppe]

Overdogs better for fire eclipse. Absolutely no way a little skill efficiency beats an additional 30%amp

[ebon lantern]

Hey all was looking at this Bighorn build. Is "the gift" backpack from something specific or a random drop

[smoky latch]

Former DZ exclusive

[solar sable]

named item caches, its a DZ exclusive bag

BUT

[smoky latch]

That means either DZ, named item caches, Houndsman bounty or farm its blueprint via Retaliations (Reconstucted Caches)

[willow sigil]

go farm hounds, its backpack day today

[solar sable]

you can get its crafting blueprint via Reconstructed caches, and those can be crafted if you get their blueprint from Retaliations

all roads lead to Retals

[ebon lantern]

Gotcha, thanks all. I was not getting it to drop and was just like uhhhhh

[smoky latch]

If you have questions about the origin/drop sources of items check out the first pinned message in this channel. The linked spreadsheet lists all items and their sources

[ebon lantern]

Super true, I even had it open. Was just looking at the build section and forgot haha

[smoky latch]

All g, it's a massive document so it's easy to overlook stuff

[ebon lantern]

Is there a backpack you might recommend as a shoe in until I can get that one? I assume a Providence Defense just without the Perfect Vigiliance?

[solar sable]

works, yeah

[ebon lantern]

Sweet, ty

[smoky latch]

Might as well keep that one. The only difference between a regular Providence backpack with Vigilance and The Gift is literally only 1 second cooldown

[ebon lantern]

Trrue. I just like making goals

[smoky latch]

Whatever itches your scratch, just saying. I've seen several new players here thinking they get a damage increase as well

[ebon lantern]

Oh, not that deperate lmfao

[solar sable]

-unperfects your Gift-

[amber forge]

Hi, im looking for help in getting to the manning zoo mission.

Ive done tidal basin 5 times invaded and not invaded but I can't get the game to count it as cleared on normal or hard.

What do I do?

[subtle bluff]

Change modes.

[crystal lantern]

while this is true for most randoms
i stay like a whole 2 hours and keep going untill i beat stuff.
mostly cuz im not a big baby

[hexed steppe]

yeah no, im not about carrying

[crystal lantern]

nah man if everyone is trying there best its not a carry

[cosmic idol]

Is Mosquito a troll pistol?

[crystal lantern]

idk i dont use it

but its a pistol most pistols are troll unless you are using a shield build

[amber forge]

Which modes? This is my first lvl 40 character

[tired turret]

So I currently use a M249 with Frenzy, 4 piece striker set, Coyote mask and Contractors gloves, 51% crit chance and around 90% crit dmg, is it worth me switching to Grupo for the gloves for extra crit dmg or do you think I'd end up with more with contractors

[hexed steppe]

you should switch gloves completely and run an equalizer chest

[tired turret]

So run striker gloves and get equalizer chest piece? In place of losing 100 stacks of striker?

[crystal lantern]

^

[hexed steppe]

are you running leg and/or high level esclations?

like constantly

[cosmic idol]

You probably wont get 200 stacks in PvE unless enemies have high health

[tired turret]

Havent started escalations yet, currently farming heroic countdown

[queen mauve]

Nobody said carrying lol. Infact the first people to leave often die the most

Or are just bringing braindead builds and blaming their lack of success on everyone else

[crystal lantern]

THIS

[queen mauve]

Bcs sincerely how are you gonna leave after you have a refractory support player because you cant do dps in the incursion

Its me im the refractory support

[hexed steppe]

when you see 3 ninja's you kinda just know it isnt gonna be worth the time spent...

[crystal lantern]

I MEAN F1 IS JUST BETTER IMO
but they only need like 3 stiker dps and one f1 healer

[queen mauve]

I like refractory because it largely replaces my original skill dps build and I get team utility

Like .5mil less dps roughly but for the 4 set and the chest

[hexed steppe]

refactor is solid, but you need a team thats worth supporting as well

[crystal lantern]

so like one heal skill and a dmg skill?

[queen mauve]

Maybe I didnt make a good refractory build but. All dmg. Striker drone assault turret

[hexed steppe]

like 2+ hours in a leg is just too much... commendable, but it was a big waste of time... jmho

[queen mauve]

Is that bad? I was under the impression that was ok

[crystal lantern]

its a chill time

[tired turret]

It is not worth having the 8% dmg to armour and 10% lmg dmg over equalizer chest and higher dmg ceiling of striker chest?

[queen mauve]

Oh yeah over an hour hell bo

No* but im taking abt we steamrolled the first encounter of the paradise lost encounter and then 2 ppl immediately left after we lost second encounter bcs they couldn't dps the minigun tanks

[tired turret]

Sorry I didnt word that very well

[hexed steppe]

not if you arent maintaining 200 stacks. perfect oblit stacks the same time you're stacking striker. your average damage ends up being higher

[queen mauve]

Im salty abt this bcs I swapped to a dps striker build i had and destroyed the tanks easily but couldn't cc all the enemies with the 1 other guy who stayed

[hexed steppe]

if you are in highlevel escalations or master/leg with really tanky bosses, then the striker chest is worth

[queen mauve]

Ive been trying to complete paradise lost for 3 days now

[crystal lantern]

have you tried asking for help?

[queen mauve]

Matchmade in game but only today remembered that this discord existed so imma do that when I hop back on

[tired turret]

Fair point, I'll try farm it and give it a try

[crystal lantern]

i hate bleed ammo builds

[queen mauve]

Why?

[crystal lantern]

i hate how the over ride my elmo ar shock ammo

[queen mauve]

Ah

[hexed steppe]

oh, bleed is a 20% amp tho

better

swap to bluescreen and you get cc and a 200rnd mag

[crystal lantern]

u know i still dont have one of those
i should make one.
but yea that the only reason i hate bleed ammo builds

[flint wave]

me when the humble od player overrides my shock ammo as I'm about to stop the countdown hunter from armor kitting🛌🪦

[subtle bluff]

Keep a sadist weapon on yourself

[gentle lichen]

Use iron lung instead ❤️‍🩹

[steady slate]

hi guys where can i get bluescreen? i think i read i can get the BP somewhere and then target farm it in like Summit or something?

[solar sable]

you can get it anywhere, its not locked to anything

[steady slate]

oh okay no pre requisites? i thought some gear needed to be found first before it could be target farmed but that mightve been an old post i saw or somethin

[solar sable]

some gear has been fixed

[subtle bluff]

no

It's not in your general loot pool. You need the Blueprint first

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messsages

[solar sable]

then explain to me how I got mine without the mission lol

[subtle bluff]

You can get thru non CD exo cache

then get blueprint then it's in your general loot pool.

There only like a few of these.

[rain fox]

I got all the rest of my exotic blueprints from retaliations best place to get them use watches and materials to craft nyc kill sqaud caches also the new event tomorrow might drop some good exotics

[wet wren]

i want DTOC on dark winter right?

[rain fox]

Yes it's bi's you can always get chc or chd from other places dtoc is a good stat and more useful

[sinful mica]

cun some1 lehp with the diva vision 2 gild

if tis gaem not 4 me and i will delet it off my had drove

[soft crane]

??

#lfg-pc

[onyx sage]

mr john cringe

this is a wendy's

[soft crane]

You want some fries with that?

[languid zenith]

Just curious is there any good builds for the strega besides striker?

[soft crane]

Should work just fine for Strega.

[languid zenith]

Nice build name 😂

Also will try it out, been looking for best possible builds for my 2 favorite guns, strega and sherrif

[soft crane]

shush

[rain fox]

Tipping scales with over dog and salvo primary is the stoner just to build the stacks works well with low rpm then switch to strega and enjoy lol it shreds

[languid zenith]

Oh just curious would stack broker work with tipping scales? Not used the gear set yet

For building stacks i mean

[rain fox]

At max stacks ye get about 4 or 5 mil crits if you go for low tier enemies then work your way up the chain

No it wouldn't tipping take 15 seconds to reach max stack if your shooting your gun atleast once every second the reason I use a lmg just to build the stacks

[languid zenith]

Ah makes sense

Ill try it, need to find a good build for sherrif now

[rain fox]

Ye use decoy so you can do your thing without getting dropped use corner peeks

[languid zenith]

Well best build for sherrif preferably

[soft crane]

Oh right before I forget, holster is named Unit Alloy brand.

[rain fox]

Ye this one works well with strega for me it has low rpm

[strong cave]

The free fries + frosty offer was over with a week ago, my good fellow. You missed your chance

[languid zenith]

Yeah salvo is up there with the greats. Turmoil, contractor gloves fox's prayer, chain killer stuff like that

And recently because of escalation hollow man getting more love

[flint arch]

turmoil is more of a meme really

[strong cave]

Contractor for the most part became dead when overdogs dropped. They do still have a use in escalation

[languid zenith]

I dont have overdog so still use contractor when needed

[flint arch]

hollow man and contractors are meta again in escalation

[strong cave]

They're still okay gloves, overdogs would obviously give more. Both have conditions for their damage but overdogs would be way more consistent

[rain fox]

Yes where else can you get a straight 10% rpm i use more or less every named piece but each has its own use

[flint arch]

back and forth gives you 10% rof

[strong cave]

Yeah at this rate escalation is its own category of content

[rain fox]

Should I still take hollow even if I got a dth roll on my prot lex

[strong cave]

It's not bad if you're doing escalation

[rain fox]

I only play retail or escal now

[languid zenith]

I ended up making a marksman rifle one shot red core build that uses the cloak and a decoy and I practically never get shot making the all red cores manageable, not the most popular knees but fun

[strong cave]

I'm slowly starting to not play

[strong cave]

Funny enough you can use bloodsucker instead of a damage talent on your backpack

You using sharpshooter specialist?

[rain fox]

Yes I can't pair back and forth with my tipping it needs low rpm to work but yes back and forth with salvo is my main build for my chest Striker

[languid zenith]

Currently using hotshot backpack and yeah sharpshooter

Currently planning putting overdogs on that build

4 piece hot shot, overdogs and the cloak

[strong cave]

Ah yeah makes sense. My 1 shot build is all high end because hotshot has been king for too long. People barely even use the 4 piece bonus anymore

I ended up collecting unicorn pieces so figured I'd put em to use. Fell in love with how the built felt and never went back to hotshot

Most cases you see 3 hotshot, chainkiller, Airaldi bag w/ Vigi, overdogs gloves

[languid zenith]

With the current events headshot damage I maxed out my season modifier for headshot damage, and its so crazy even in escalation

Today managed to solo a tier 4 escalation, no chance I could do a tier 5 though

[strong cave]

Everyone seems to be flocking to headshot damage, meanwhile I'm playing mostly with the magazine size

Strega this season has been immeasurably fun to play with due to the modifiers

[soft crane]

Same, I got potato aim so...

[strong cave]

I went with mag size for more sustained DPS. Plus I'm a measured user so that burst DPS is suuuuper helpful

And mag size on strega allows you to dump truck more damage

[languid zenith]

I also enjoy using the bittersweet and its kinda fun to use with a headshot build, just wish I had better aim to hit the headshots

[rain fox]

Has anyone tried the intimidate chest with bloodsucker it gives 36% amp damage you do need kills tho so it can be down a lot it works well for longer ranges if you have to keep your distance

[strong cave]

The problem is rifles aren't all that accurate since they literally bounce like lowriders

[strong cave]

It can work, would recommend a shotgun build for that type of setup. High end version that is

[languid zenith]

Right now a red core Bittersweet build is very fun for a dps/ back up healer

[languid zenith]

Think the sherrif would do well with that

[rain fox]

Yes is intimate only active at 10 meters tho if so it won't work

[strong cave]

I've yet to personally try it on my high end shotgun build since mine uses tinkerer

Sheriff is nice but intimidate is more likely to be used on shotgun setups. And well, we all know why Oblit won't work

[rain fox]

At the moment the only way I can make it work is the standard intimidate and adrenaline rush setup

[languid zenith]

I did a core strength damage build and it made me laugh when I was doing better damage with the sherrif over a lot of other guns

[strong cave]

Intimidate has a distance limitation

[languid zenith]

Im so determined to make a busted sherrif build ive even tried virtuoso because at face value seems like the sherrif would be perfect for it

[rain fox]

That's a shame would be op tho I guess to have 36 amp from chest and 30 from overdogs at all ranges

If you find a good sheriff build let me know I like that gun

[languid zenith]

Imagine having a team mate with OD giving you that extra weapon damage too from the hollow point

[hollow mantle]

Anyone can help me build character bcs i m in love with 35lvl build created by ubisoft after reaching this lvl u got some emerald gear set amd exotic submachine gun with nice tallent everytime i got 40 cumulation i got more DPS from gagets

[languid zenith]

One of the few reasons I still enjoy running OD

[rain fox]

Oh ye things could get easy if you had a few team members all with damage buffs but I just play with random mainly

[languid zenith]

My 3 main builds recently have been refactor build, OD damage build, and any builds trying to make sherrif work

[rain fox]

Is the ferocious calm good for team play

14 skill and weapon damage to team

[languid zenith]

Im curious hypothetically whats the craziest combo you can think of if you could equip 2 exotic armor pieces

[rain fox]

Od my personal favourite bro used to play reactor with the purple hive thing pretty good

Damn imagine that was just thinking yesterday wish I could use 2 exotics

[languid zenith]

Beacon and coyote mask would be a cool team buff combo

[rain fox]

100% for team play

[languid zenith]

Ninja bike plus anything would be the most popular

[rain fox]

Oh ye beacon thanks bro I'm adding that to my team build trying to make them as strong as possible

I would rather tho whole team be stronger than just me

[hollow mantle]

Any one can give me any advice what build will be better for skills gagets etc etc ? i use claster mine and self rev hive or assault drone

[languid zenith]

Beacons good, I have an OD team buffing build with it

[rain fox]

Yes I use od to with survilist for 10% damage to status effected enemies

[languid zenith]

Wanting to do a lot of damage or wanting to be a healer who does good damage?

[hollow mantle]

I want to do a lot od dmg by cluster mines or any explosive skills

[solar sable]

OD chest is a must for your team, drop Beacon

[hollow mantle]

My corrent build in hunts give 5-10mln dmg for 1named hostile in 3tier difficulty

[languid zenith]

Well theres just high end builds that can get you a lot of skill damage, but a fun build you might like is a hardwired, if you look up cluster mine hardwired builds those are pretty fun

[rain fox]

Oh ye forget you need chest don't you ill have to find another way to give more damage

[languid zenith]

Oh thats my main OD build I just sometimes use the beacon in less serious content

[soft crane]

Why's that?

[rain fox]

Don't want to use skill tiers so I can't use the smart cover or booster hive

[soft crane]

You should run EMP sticky or Jammer so you can mark mechanical enemies.

[languid zenith]

Coyotes mask

[rain fox]

Ye that could work unless I find another alternative

Is ther any backpack talents that buff the team

[languid zenith]

Does harriers pride only effect you or team aswell

[hollow mantle]

Why not? They are Powerfull if u can blow up 8 ppl and dosnt die

[rain fox]

Just you I think

[soft crane]

Aren't you using Ongoing Directive build or am I missing something?

[languid zenith]

Yeah id reccomended a hardwired build with skill damage

Tim is using OD Jayko wants to make a skill build

[soft crane]

Uhm

[languid zenith]

I meant creed

[rain fox]

Hard wired is pretty good super fast cooldowns on your seeker

[languid zenith]

My b

@hollow mantle hardwired with seeker mine is also referred to as just infinite seeker mine build 😂

[subtle bluff]

Yourself and the stacks are lost when out of combat.

[languid zenith]

Losing stacks outside of Combat is the reason I dont use the bittersweet as much as id like

Just as a general mechanic

[soft crane]

Oh ok

[rain fox]

So does ongoing directive when built right give team most damage or is the healer set better if built right

[languid zenith]

Depends on the content

[subtle bluff]

What about bittersweet?

[solar sable]

two different support builds, you can't just say one is better than the other

[subtle bluff]

Latter

[languid zenith]

I mean the bittersweet stacks dissappear at the end of a fight

Just saying the mechanic of an effect ending at end of a fight hard counters a lot of fun stuff

[subtle bluff]

Ok? A lot of stuff do. You can't really active anything of most weapons without shooting something that trigger combat anyways..

Gear is different.

[languid zenith]

I know, I was just making a general comment about how there a certain items that dont need to have that effect but do

[rain fox]

In terms of the best team damage over all do you know which would give the most

[subtle bluff]

Standard FI

[rain fox]

OK thanks

Should I make it as healer build so all skill repair skill haste

[hollow mantle]

Oh okey @languid zenith btw this exotic gun i have is good for build u recoment or not? I gorgot her name inli i know is a SMG with 43mag and skill if i culumation 40 points my skill give ebemys more dmg

[subtle bluff]

Players preference

[languid zenith]

Definitely FI, people still using and relying on FI healers in high teir escalations

[rain fox]

I wanted to deal damage while giving team damage but looks like I'm a healer now lol I'm up for Tring something different why not

[languid zenith]

Best gun for any skill build in my opinion would be the capacitor

[subtle bluff]

Any Skill DMG, skill build.

[languid zenith]

Well future initiatives gameplay is healing everyone whilst the healing helps buff them

Because of the Future initiative gearset bonus

Keep your dps players alive whilst giving them more dps

[rain fox]

OK should I take the chest for more team damage

[hollow mantle]

I use something called" condenser"

[languid zenith]

The exact build i use for my FI

[rain fox]

Is the fl bag useless because it only works at 5 metres

[languid zenith]

Dont think useless just better options

[subtle bluff]

It's not useless... It's has some the highest healing power for talents wise...
It was huge for IH back in the day.

[languid zenith]

If you are going purely for healing the BP is great but if your truly trying to support id do that build

[hollow mantle]

@languid zenith btw what about skill in your watch what u suggest to use as pasive talents etc? I m useing something what gives me after pressing T a emp with 90s cooldown

[languid zenith]

Im honestly not sure what order is best to prioritize with upgrading the watch

[rain fox]

Understand Ill go more support less heals

[languid zenith]

Crazy part is without the BP your still going to do more than enough heals

[rain fox]

@hollow mantle skill haste would be best for you then probably

[hollow mantle]

Bcs there is only 3 options @languid zenith emp,skill haste and repairing smoke

[subtle bluff]

What the context of this other skill build..

[rain fox]

Ye ghost will see how it does in escalation late gonna get it built up and ready

[subtle bluff]

wtf?

[rain fox]

There's no emp lol

[languid zenith]

Okay now im super confused, I even considered for a second are they talking about the mobile game ore something

[rain fox]

Oh is he talking about the modifiers

[languid zenith]

Repairing smoke?

[subtle bluff]

what's context of this?

[languid zenith]

He started by asking for a build that uses seeker mines (cluster mostly) and explosive skills

And then somehow he got to that

[subtle bluff]

wurd

[languid zenith]

I suggested a hardwired build for fun

[subtle bluff]

Better question is asking what SHD he is..

[rain fox]

He's talking about his skills he's using the emp skill and what should he use

[wanton root]

i wanna try running Bullet King with Strikers, is fire rate a good attribute or i should reroll?

[languid zenith]

I mean best thing to use with the hardwired build with the cluster mines is the turret

[hollow mantle]

38

[subtle bluff]

CHC

[subtle bluff]

I'd stop and just learn how to farm CD for your library.

You'll have a better time afterwards making builds

[rain fox]

Oh ye wouldn't worry about your watch right now you have a long way to go to max it out

[languid zenith]

@hollow mantle Yeah id honestly just reccomended a basic strikers build to get you through most stuff to help with levelling and farming loot and stuff

Then when you start getting your library and stuff full then you can make loads of builds

[rain fox]

I would also say Striker at such a low level would help you tear though enemies and level up quicker

[hollow mantle]

I m a player who dont like grinding stuff :)just wanna play story line and survive most diffs

[languid zenith]

Was just about to link that

[subtle bluff]

Then go play everything on story tbh.

Div2 is a Loot me Shooter game. You have to loot it takes longer doing w/e you want.

[hollow mantle]

Icant bcs to reach world lvl 5/6 i have to finish all black fang strongholds in reccomendent difficulty

[rain fox]

You can clear story with a starter build no problem

[languid zenith]

What

Bruh its 5am and this dude is making me regret staying awake

[rain fox]

Lol

[languid zenith]

Am I the only one who feels like they having a stroke?

[rain fox]

He has to clear all his black tusk stronghold to advance the game if he can invite me I can help him if struggling

[subtle bluff]

Uh? You can do it on normal too.