td2-build-advice

[analog mural]

yuh but i like wearing the araldi bp coz it looks small

to carry 20 armor chest rigs

[mild dawn]

ceska chest and bag with empathic and opportunistic might also be an silly option if you want to lose btsu overcharge

[analog mural]

pass

unicorn ceska pieces? hell no

[strong cave]

Yeah 2 piece ceska would work in this case. That was my other thought but that overcharge is very valuable

[strong cave]

The bag you can craft. Chest you cannot

[mild dawn]

for this season only you get overcharge from the modifiers

[strong cave]

However, you could keep future chest and instead craft a ceska backpack and maybe holster/gloves/whatever ceska piece

[hazy steeple]

Oh, not at all. I am kinda only half jokingly sure I'm the reason why it got buffed.
back then, about 2 people loved it, that was myself and Aspect.

Had a ceska/yaahl haz pro setup that was my weird, ugly baby.

[strong cave]

I only liked backfire in raids because easy stack mechanics. Other than that I never bothered with it until it got a buff

I wish lady death would be buffed back up to par again. Or give it a better mag size but decrease the amp you get with it

[analog mural]

shit i dont have a 10% hzp roll in my library

[strong cave]

Painnnnn

[analog mural]

for my backpack

should i just do countdown and put target loot to backpack or something

[strong cave]

Hey, another weird ass idea you could try-

Cavalier healer

[analog mural]

wait is it the haz pro armor set?

[strong cave]

You'll share hazard with the team. And cavi does give repair skills

Cavi doesn't rely on a chest talent so you genuinely could run survivalist and pop Everyday Carrier kits

[analog mural]

i think im addicted to the group heal from FI

[strong cave]

Yeah that I don't blame you for

[analog mural]

i could lowk cook this build up but id end up with only 90% disrupt res

[strong cave]

Cavi also gives 30% hazpro

[icy jasper]

Anyone got a good core strength build?

[strong cave]

You'll surely kiss 100% immunity with cavi

[analog mural]

so is eclipse for pure cc..........

[strong cave]

Yeah there's also that

[soft crane]

That reminds me, why do every new players I've met in game are using core strength?

SHD level around 100.

[analog mural]

oh my days I DONT EVEN HAVE DISRUPT RESISTANCE MODS

build is cooked

[lament reef]

It can be red, but it also gives a bunch of armor

Perfect new player trap

[analog mural]

i just dismantled every mods i picked up ever since im done with dmg and skill mods

[strong cave]

My guy, imagine how I felt going for all red sys corr. I still have a misroll

[mild dawn]

cooking without ingredients

[analog mural]

i could have sworn i had at least 1 maxed disrupt mod

[strong cave]

I still have 1 core of armor. And I don't want it

[analog mural]

welp i guess im on CC duty oh damn eclipse has 30% hzp by default so i just need hzp on all gear pieces

[strong cave]

You could use future backpack and craft a yaahl piece. Just to get a feel for it

[analog mural]

but i dont even have the disrupt mods SMH

[analog mural]

nuh uh future backpack is shid

hmmm

vile mask would be useless on eclipse cc right coz the damage does nothing?

[grizzled garnet]

are you building a haz pro build for raiding?

[strong cave]

Countdown hunters. Niche future build which honestly isn't a bad idea

[analog mural]

specifically to support my team during countdown hunters at the start and end

[strong cave]

Yeah it's mostly useless. Could use stinger and BTSU and overcharge even on crowd control

[grizzled garnet]

not really worth it. just chuck riot foam at them or banshee pulses and gun them down

[strong cave]

I myself use Setup bag w/ BTSU on my eclipse build. Stinger + Foam

[analog mural]

cant do that if i get emped tho

and i need to drop my hive for my mates

[grizzled garnet]

riot foam grenades

[analog mural]

*rolls

[strong cave]

He's looking into hazpro to ensure 100% uptime. Which hazpro crowd control is useful

[grizzled garnet]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16HdKj8x-LlXJCcVPAWNZWIb0SXcQOmAfAh1cHYYsxwI/edit?tab=t.0

[strong cave]

Some weird niche setups do certain tasks very well. In this case going hazpro crowd control or even hazpro future initiative would work good in this case

[grizzled garnet]

build section of pinned spreadsheet

[strong cave]

Yup that one looks pretty good. The goal is to also be able to provide overcharge. We've got it mathed out to about 60/70 hazpro and disrupt needs to be at 95%+ to be immune. He will be either 5% under or fully immune with my yaahl template from earlier with Future

While still being able to provide overcharge

4 pieces = 40%
10 from watch (10%)
10 from Yaahl (10%)
10 from Roll on Bag (10)

70% hazpro

So 3 disrupt mods should put him at 100% disrupt immunity

@analog mural yeah the yaahl setup will guarantee immunity w/ future initiative

[grizzled garnet]

good luck getting the backpack 🙏

[strong cave]

Yeah it won't be easy 🫣

He's got the core attribute in his favor tho. Yaahl always drops blue. And it seems to roll with blue subs frequently. You need to hope you get the talent or repair skills rolled onto it. Or the talent and hazpro. Or even both rolls to roll the talent into it. Not exactly ideal but not impossible either

I think I might actually have a yaahl piece on my stash I could make into this build he's on about. He's got me curious af now

[soft crane]

Is there a tank build that doesnt require shield to be tanky?

[analog mural]

oh i found my disrupt mod, its on my eclipse mask lmao

[grizzled garnet]

"it seems to roll with blue subs frequently"

there is a higher probability they first sub will be the same type as the main core. thats what unicorns (emperors guard) are so annoying to farm

[strong cave]

Not that I personally know off rip

[soft crane]

But I want to be bullet sponges like the enemy. Its not fair.

[strong cave]

I've got the blueprint personally, and Emp guard stopped being worth running outside of PvP

[gentle lichen]

"unicorn" and it's emperor's guard

[soft crane]

If theres a tank build that doesnt require shield to be extremely tanky, I'll take it.

[grizzled garnet]

i have it for my tank build

[strong cave]

Even in pvp you're more likely to run matador with 3 gila

[strong cave]

I'm curious, what's your setup? Always looking for something tank

[grizzled garnet]

its for the raid. lemme log on rq

[strong cave]

Iron horse I'm guessing with Pointman and Protector?

If so I got one very similar to it that's great outside of raids

Can confirm it has legendary + Master clears under it's belt with good coordinated groups

[analog mural]

@strong cave guess this will do

i got 98.9% disrupt res lol

[strong cave]

Yeah that will work

[analog mural]

guess ill just blast my foam at everyone

[grizzled garnet]

its not perfect

but i dont use it enough to worry about getting a perfect backpack (i havent raided in like the last year)

[strong cave]

Ah yeah, that one. Definitely iron horse

You'd get more use if you simply went 3 gila, belstone, and Emp guard kneepads. Everything Regen + Hazpro

Other piece can be uzina or something. Catharsis maybe for the Regen cloud

[atomic pebble]

⭐

• I am a new player. I want armor regen + DPS build. I want to deal damage and be tanky enough to survive difficult content SOLO.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkviRaygCVQ
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeIZTU4bsDE
  I found these 2 builds from Youtube. Trying to decide between two.
  Can you guys help me pick or suggest something better?
  ⭐

[strong cave]

As mentioned, wouldn't take either of those builds. Doing damage and being tanky don't go hand in hand on this game

Would recommend giving this a look instead-

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16HdKj8x-LlXJCcVPAWNZWIb0SXcQOmAfAh1cHYYsxwI/edit?tab=t.0

If you need more survivability, change out the overdogs gloves for exodus. Alternatively, you can run 1-2 armor cores on the build and still deal plenty of damage

You can also switch pieces around and utilize other useful exotics like Memento backpack. But generally you'd want to start here and make changes to fit your play style

[grizzled garnet]

keep in mind that theres nothing really reducing enemy damage output. so running a tank build actively hampers your own damage, lets the enemy shoot at you more and you die all the same

[strong cave]

Yeah running too much armor at a certain point will hamper your own damage. Typically on heroic, more than 3 blue cores on a non-min-maxed build will feel very sluggish. Even at SHD 1k+

I personally have found 1-2 blues on striker while still using say Overdogs or exodus will still output plenty of damage but not be so glassy that you die in 3 shots

[atomic pebble]

is heartbreaker set considered a tank build?

[strong cave]

Obviously the goal is to play all red, as if you're dying you're usually putting yourself in bad spots. But a few blues are okay

[faint thunder]

is this good roll and i should just tinker? or full reroll? New to the game

[strong cave]

Wouldn't take heartbreaker. It's striker with extra steps

[gentle lichen]

i'd reroll

[grizzled garnet]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HeLeb8_c6w6DY-0qwVuKUfaCjp27f9wrv0_H6g2Ah98/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.96rmu8ogf3lt

could always take a go at this. heartbreaker. not as much damage as strikers but not as hampered as full tank

[atomic pebble]

yeah I just don't want to get one shot. I want to be able to do mistakes. and I wanna do heroic solo stuff.

[grizzled garnet]

its impossible to get oneshot unless youve used your healthgate

[strong cave]

That or you're making really dumb decisions like running out when 4 snipers are targeting you

[atomic pebble]

where do you get these builds btw? is this your build?

[strong cave]

It's from the community spreadsheet

[grizzled garnet]

pinned spreadsheet

[atomic pebble]

Thanks. So Protomac suggests Striker. What about you @grizzled garnet ? Would u suggest Striker or Heartbreaker to me?

[grizzled garnet]

striker and learn positioning

[atomic pebble]

okay thanks guys

[strong cave]

Positioning is key in div for higher difficulty content. Heroic not as much but does make a difference

Striker is basically the answer to just about any content-clearing question. Once you have that it comes down to positioning itself. Master that, you can run basically anything

[cosmic sonnet]

Hi, does anyone have a build or some build tips for the "Backfire" weapon, please? ^^ I don't know which set to start

[shy willow]

Striker

Some people have weird hazpro setups but since it was buffed you really don't need them at all

And for the applications that backfire does have you wanna maximise your dps so hazpro is pointless anyway

[faint thunder]

SO apparently there is a bug right now where overdogs dont have reconfigure cuz reasons... do i wait till its fixed or do i optimise

[shy willow]

Go and check what inaya is selling

Since the start of this season I was able to buy the shroud and overdogs reconfigure prints

[faint thunder]

i did, even relogged multiple times

[strong cave]

It bugs out frequently so there's a chance you have that bug

[civic meteor]

Perhaps

[faint thunder]

i guess i will wait till tomorrow, otherwise if its still not there i will suffer and optimise it like 10 freaking times

cuz the crit chance is abysmal

[soft crane]

You just need to recalibrate that Crit Chance into max then optimize the Crit Damage.

[lone glacier]

Those are overdogs

[faint thunder]

u cannot recalibrate it cuz its overdogs

[soft crane]

Huh?

[faint thunder]

u canno recalibrate exotics afaik no ?

[shy willow]

Correct

[soft crane]

Optimize, yes. Recalibrate, no.

[faint thunder]

well then why are u recommending recalibration lol

[soft crane]

I didnt know it was Overdogs bruh

Anyway i'd reconfigure if I were you.

[faint thunder]

.... i cannot cuz of a bug.. its 1 sentence about the picture

[iron flame]

Best attatchements for a ACS-12?

And I guess the talent? basically for striker build

I have a max roll lefty with DMG to target out of cover, and a Rock n Roll with the same roll with high-ish roll

[lament reef]

fast hands is nice

the new talent back and forth is really nice

[lost wren]

what's this?

[lament reef]

on swap, get a buff, on swap back, get a different buff

[lost wren]

brazen or fast hands imo

[rain fox]

10% rate of fire and 9% damage when you swap weapons so it's free damage and fire rate when you go to stack Striker with acs

[iron flame]

What mods?

[rain fox]

I use 12% handling sight and stability grip so I can hit easier

[wicked echo]

im running striker build atm and usin an AR can i like switch to LMG and what gear do i get ?
and for ARs what can i use other than that exotic one something Engine

[rain fox]

Mk46 seems to work for me with strike but honestly it's preferable I've tested most lmgs and they all seem to balance out

[iron flame]

Ty

[rain fox]

And assault rifles to use are eagle bearer and big horn if you like headshotting or police m4, c-tar, famas from what I've played with I would take those if I didn't have lexington bro

[slender cradle]

whats the feelings on concentrated company gear set

[lament reef]

annoying to stack solo

best in slot for Pestilence damage ticks

[shy willow]

Excellent and genuine competitor to the likes of striker in groups, abysmal solo

[slender cradle]

wow. it seems like such a good solo gear set on paper

[lament reef]

you can prestack it in the shooting range, the stacks decay really slowly

[slender cradle]

nah im not about that life lol. i just want instant damage boosts or easily attainable damage stacking.

[lone glacier]

Striker is the ol' reliable that can do anything in the game

[slender cradle]

yea my striker is perfect and am working on perfecting the ongoing directive build i have rn

[lament reef]

i was about to say, ongoing directive is really nice for instant amping

[rain fox]

Try this I've used many of the od builds best I've personally tried so far

[lament reef]

it’s like 80% of max strikers 100% of the time

[lone glacier]

OD doesn't come close to Striker damage because Striker stacks are multiplicative with itself

[rain fox]

Ye it's just a fun build for me but I did wipe legendary dua earlier easily

[slender cradle]

strikers is my fav cause it doesnt require a kill to activate

[dapper glacier]

ta

[rain fox]

You have to use same mods as me tho so your frenzy lines up perfectly

[slender cradle]

i have 4 red 2 blue build

[rain fox]

Nice less squishy will still shred

[slender cradle]

but im thinking about dumping catalyst for overdogs

[rain fox]

Overdogs beat all 1 piece if you got fer lowest enemies first of course

[lone wadi]

still wins out overall over the course of a mission even if you don’t think about active targeting

[rain fox]

Ye true it's like 300 400k damage per shot if I remember right

[gentle lichen]

And you share 50% of it with your team! And it counters ammo directives!
I can't stop winning!

[gentle lichen]

It's long been reworked to add to itself

[noble pelican]

To quote Toasty; "Coming out ahead across an entire mission isn't great, if it doesn't come online when I actually need it."

They are great, I can fully understand people not wanting to use them, however.

[lone glacier]

Right, but its still way, way higher damage compared to OD. Nothing competes with Striker.

[lone wadi]

That’s just toasty’s experience with it, totally understand people not wanting to use it either, but I personally find the amp very helpful and most targets I prioritize anyway are the ones being amplified

[gentle lichen]

Honestly i use overdogs and just use my own target prioritization and if it buffs it buffs
Compared to other slots you're really just trading a brand slot like 8% cc for 30% amp

And lowest tier are consequently the most common archtype between factions
Only thing that mucks you over is skill proxies

[noble pelican]

I'm just highlighting that "It's more damage across a mission" isn't the only important measurement, because it's commonly used to deflect when people state valid reason not to use them.

If you feel like you get your value out of them where needed, that's great.

[smoky latch]

Target prio is really relevant come legendary. So there it's not bis anymore

[lament reef]

i mean it’s still pretty good and competitive damage

it just falls off a cliff once you can’t one-mag people anymore

[smoky latch]

And similar in high tier Escalations due to the insane NPC health pools. Plus more NPC RNG

[lament reef]

and against dogs

[noble pelican]

I'd argue the other way around; Legendary has set spawns (not spawn locations; actual spawns) that you can learn and improve uptime on Overdogs.

Heroic (and Escalation) doesn't.

[slender cradle]

im forgetting that i should build OD towards damage and not status effect lol

[lone wadi]

for sure, absolutely. Im also just mentioning that following overdogs target priority isn’t a strict rule for it to come out on top of other options at times

[lament reef]

yeah the bleed damage part is completely worthless, you only care that it’s doing a status effect at all

[slender cradle]

i left 30 percent crit damage on the table

[lament reef]

💀

[slender cradle]

85 percent is now 115 percent

[noble pelican]

It isn't and they still beat most if not all options at 50% uptime across a mission.

I'm just not a fan of thinking only about "overall damage in the mission", when that statistic couldn't care less if the damage is actually applied in situations where it matters.

Would be really interesting to see a live check about Overdogs uptime in a T10 run (by someone who doesn't know it's going to be viewed).

[slender cradle]

i think i like catalyst rather than overdogs due to not requiring the tier system for damage and being able to ads still while on fire

[gentle lichen]

Catalyst is certainly a choice

[noble pelican]

Definitley not where my mind went, yea. lol

[lone wadi]

prob would also depend on the enemies you’re facing. I haven’t played anything but fed bunker escalation this week and overdogs certainly helped with the rushers and grenadiers

it does kinda suck against the outcasts chungas tho when they start rushing you, but usually people in your team know to focus those guys first

[lone glacier]

I did Army Terminal on 6.. not doing that again

[gentle lichen]

One big thing about it is if you leave boss for last you pretty much always have that amp

[lone wadi]

XD we always just kill boss first

[gentle lichen]

I'm methodical

[noble pelican]

We really need a guide on how to manage situations by someone decent in general.

Farming Retaliations yesterday made me realise once more that a huge part of the playerbase just stays in the back, behind cover, shooting entire mags with <20% hit-ratio, without ever pushing closer and/or cornering/focusing at all.

Do we have a list of exotics that's up-to-date btw?
I just realized I'm missing Overlord and the wiki's I've found are missing a lot of entries.

[gentle lichen]

Did you matchmake
Cause i did a couple hours ago and it wasn't fun

[noble pelican]

2 runs (300% each) matchmade, two via two different LFG's, everyone SHD 400+.

[robust yarrow]

I’m running a skill build and it’s been hitting pretty hard with the stinger hive. Can’t take any damage though. Only bad thing about it

[lone wadi]

stinger also has bad range and high downtime

[gentle lichen]

I had to be the shot caller by leading the team to push and hold the spawn doors otherwise they'd..throw a fixer hive at me..?
Also core strength is the new slop for new players

I do wish there was a mission report for retaliation for hit % and kills and allat

[jaunty wigeon]

Anyone here having issues with the echo augment? I have 3 pieces on my striker build and they never proc

[rain fox]

The chance on echo so low that's why you need to upgrade it and get as many as you can I have 3 piece never procs

[jaunty wigeon]

Yeah but I have one amalgam augment level 1 and that procs now and again

but after emptying countless mags,ive never seen a damage increase

[rain fox]

OK maybe it's bugged because I have the on where you have chance to avoid damage that procs alot

[misty crane]

Is this striker build decent enough or is there more I could improve/change? I'm still returning after a while so I'm trying to get a hang of everything that's new

[jaunty wigeon]

Yeah im pretty sure it bugged Tim

[rain fox]

Ye it's decent if you can maintain those stacks

And you want to be close to 60%crit as possible once I started doing that on my build I felt stronger

[jaunty wigeon]

Change the chest piece for an equalizer

[noble pelican]

Unless you're running high Escalation, I'd swap the chest for Equalizer.
Most other content won't allow you to benefit a ton from the added stacks.

[gentle lichen]

You don't need the blue cores
Swap striker chest for either equalizer or ceska with obliterate and use striker glove

[jaunty wigeon]

equalizer and overdogs

[noble pelican]

Didn't even realize the blue cores; yea full red is definitely the way.

[rain fox]

Ye do that it's good for most content with equaliser overdogs my go to build

[misty crane]

I don't have the striker gloves yet, only piece of the entire set I haven't been able to get so far

[gentle lichen]

Do more countdown

[misty crane]

So swap out armor cores for more weapon damage as well?

[jaunty wigeon]

2 armour cores is good

[gentle lichen]

Yes

Those 2 cores aren't really doing much for you

[misty crane]

Alright, just worried that I won't be able to tank a little more damage like this tho

[gentle lichen]

Nah just learn to position yourself so that not more than 1 enemy can shoot you and your dps will be your survivability

[misty crane]

Ight sounds good, I'm gonna run some targeted loot and countdown and will let you know if it's helped more 🫡

[jaunty wigeon]

Anyone here having issues with the echo augment? I have 3 pieces on my striker build and they never proc

[gentle lichen]

Bro

[buoyant perch]

I can only know when echo procs a crit shot (orange) the echo damage will be white but identical to the crit shot damage. If it procs a non-crit shot, it's all white so no way to know unless I watch every single shot.

[jaunty wigeon]

Tx a lot for that...I was looking at the orange numbers only 🙂

I see the white numbers doubling from time to time 🙂

They could have made the double damage in yellow at least or have a little icon flash up on the screen when it deals the double damage

[winged dirge]

Hello! I like and use Exotic AR's strega, but I searched for a build video on YouTube and saw some, but the building using the concentrated company gear set and strega I found it and tried it, but the buff gauge didn't accumulate much.

The player I saw in the video seems to have accumulated a lot of gauges and was still playing solo, but the accumulated gauge of the Concentrated Company Gear Set is not for solo play. Is it?

[misty crane]

Weird question that idk if you could answer but when I have my build fully optimized, should I do all of these manhunts that I haven't done yet? Or are they not that important?

The legacy manhunts, I mean

[rain fox]

I'm going to build what I believe to be the meta endgame Striker build with 0 expertise for anyone who is not expertised so you can jump right into hard content and keep your stacks high

If its any good I'll post it up

[molten thorn]

Is the big al better for striker w/overdogs than st elmo's? My stats look abysmal since ive swapped to dogs (55chc/~90chd)

[rain fox]

Put them to the test see what feels better for you that's what I've started to do instead of taking people at there word try it yourself

[winged dirge]

Can't the Concentrated Company Gear Set be used solo?

[rain fox]

The gear your going to use depends on what content your going to be playing I've heard Concentrated company is better for group

[winged dirge]

I see... In the video I saw, I accumulated a lot of buffs solo, so I thought you might know how to do it, so I asked...

[rain fox]

No sorry never used the gear set it doesn't seem worth it to me as I don't use pestilence

[smoky latch]

You're comparing apples to oranges. One is an LMG, the other is an AR. Both work well with Striker's

[rain fox]

At max stacks you will be at 175 weapon damage 70 crit damage and you need 35 kills to reach that

[smoky latch]

It can be but not recommended

[winged dirge]

After all, doesn't the stack accumulate much in solo?

[smoky latch]

Lengmo for solo Pestilence is a better choice I'd suggest

Harder to farm for tho

Hard = time intensive here

[rain fox]

Ye don't try getting the backbone god rolled jeez

[smoky latch]

The Backbone backpack is just like any other piece of Lengmo, the chest is a real unicorn here

But that can be replaced with The Sacrifice which is easier to farm for

[rain fox]

OK don't think I ever used chest but I do remember farming that bag took me weeks for perfect stats because I gave up trying a few times

[smoky latch]

RNG, it'll take longer for some than others. The good thing is, you can farm for the Backbone's blueprint by doing Retaliations and buying Reconstructed Caches

[rain fox]

Yes true and it's definitely a lot easier now with the blueprint farming that's what I'm personally working on all the high end bps

[molten thorn]

Problem with blueprints is that they craft as tho the drop was on normal diff, so your stat floors are way lower than farming for drops.

[rain fox]

Do you think it's better to take dtoc or rate of fire on a gun using Striker and the chest piece

[smoky latch]

It'll take you almost an entire mission to fully stack it if you don't use a turret or drone. You could pre-stack CoCo in DC on the shooting range but it limits you to stay in DC and in your own session

[molten thorn]

But like a min rolled unicorn piece is better than 3,000 max rolled trash pieces

[rain fox]

I'm maxed on exotic bps so I craft the reconstructed caches now for bps

[smoky latch]

It'll get costly rq if you are impatient. 50k e-credits per cache. Take your time with them unless you have a lot of SHD levels you could use as scavenging points

[rain fox]

Haha ye very true I used to have millions right now I have21k lol

[winged dirge]

I see, I'm worried about a build that can make the most effective use of Strega...

[smoky latch]

When I came back from a break last summer I did not pay attention to their cost and crafted a shit ton after farming Retaliations for a week. Was a bummer, lol

"Where my money go?" lol

[rain fox]

Hahaha same I've literally just realised there 50k each and it's to late now I'm broke ontill a xp event comes

[smoky latch]

Yeah

[rain fox]

Lol time to farm bounties to optimizer my build take care bro

[smoky latch]

HF

[boreal widget]

this will take 6 years to max

📉

[smoky latch]

Farm for a better one 👍

[shut kindle]

I just spend levels on money and resources

I still have 12k shd levels I haven't used ready to turn to free mats

[smoky latch]

Some rolls (like this one) aren't worth optimizing unless you have a real unicorn

This one is rather ez to farm for

[shut kindle]

Idk I would, saves having to look for another, but I have enough resources I don't need to care, if someone isn't as far into it as myself, I would agree

[smoky latch]

Nah you will need your resources for other things. This is really not worth it.

[fresh pagoda]

So, we can't reroll the attributes on Prototypes correct? it just drops how it drops then?

[boreal widget]

😔 farming is a pain

just need to get the cursed gloves now

[smoky latch]

It's a looter shooter, farming is expected. Not mentioning prototype stuff here in this context, lol

[smoky latch]

You can use the 4th piece Hotshot for now in the meantime

Or Contractor's if you have a pair

[boreal widget]

ye ill farm hotshot for now

[shut kindle]

You can only reroll the augments, you can't optimise or change stats once dropped

Or talent can't do that either

[fresh pagoda]

rip

[lament reef]

damn
random drop or enhancement

[shut kindle]

I prototyped it myself

It's already rerolled to echo, all my gear is echo other than my chest

I think I'm at about 14% chance

[ivory abyss]

I wish I had enough materials to do that to my gear lol

I just stick with the prototype gear I got lol

[shut kindle]

Honestly the worse thing is like lmg parts

Or the outcast parts etc

I've literally bought lmgs to dismantle them for parts

[smoky latch]

The worst part are the fuggin' exo parts

[lone glacier]

I got enough exo comps yesterday for now 😌

Should be enough for a full build

[verbal hill]

best AR for HB? I don't have Lexington as I've just started playing again and Kingbreaker fires too slow even with RoF buffs

[rain fox]

How is it that my striker setup with chest, bag, 1 ceska piece and salvo holster is hitting for less than stiker with eqaulizer chest piece and overdogs gloves

[solar sable]

striker chest isn't good for general content, it's only used in Raids, Incursion and Escalation

[rain fox]

I understand but even at max stacks it doesn't seem that good I'll have to try some escalation see how I get on

[noble pelican]

It's likely due to different modifiers stacking multiplicative as well; People usually run Striker chest with Overdogs for higher content and Equalizer + Overdogs in lower content.

Running chest without Overdogs to get a set piece in cuts into the potential damage gain, if you can make use of the Overdogs perk.

[rain fox]

I see it's got to be due to not having overdogs but jeez I didn't think they made that much of a difference they must be good

[lone wadi]

also should keep in mind individual damage per bullet alone is not indicative of dps

[noble pelican]

It's afaik a 1.3x modifier on top of the damage you get after Strike already boosted it - not just 30% on top of the modifier Striker uses.

[grim bluff]

'Amplify' is a multiplier at the end of all the damage calculations, yeah, where's that image on how to calculate damage?

[rain fox]

OK I'll try same setup this time with overdogs see what that's like

[noble pelican]

E.g. just striker+overdogs you're effectively going from 1.9x (without chest) to 2,47x, not 2,2x.

[noble pelican]

Yeah, I'm highlighting a difference here because Striker is afaik also a amp or "final multiplicative modifier".

Just calling them both "amp" might lead to people believing that they stack additive, not multiplicative.

[subtle bluff]

The only thing that’s fixed as a final amp is overdogs. Which does make sense how it checks.

[grim bluff]

Thanks

[noble pelican]

Yeah, with Striker's effect being an amp and Overdogs being called one, I just didn't want people to believe they get a 90+30% additive stacking modifier for 120%.

Especially when looking at the Striker chest, it makes.. a pretty big difference.

[grim bluff]

Alright, makes sense

[noble pelican]

Also, how dare you forget about Shroud, Chow!

[grim bluff]

Shrotdogs build

[toxic frigate]

Police M4 w/ Flatline or idk

[rain fox]

Overdogs give atleast 200-400k extra damage if your targeting the right enemies I was hitting 900k-1mil max stacks Striker to body then with overdogs I saw 1.2 - 1.4 million

[next dawn]

Oo Rock'n Roll in DZ west shop

[noble pelican]

Orbit is also in the South one.

[buoyant perch]

TIL 9.5% DTH is actually 10%

[smoky latch]

Yeah I think I heard it gets rounded up

[boreal widget]

💔 got this after infinite tries
cant even craft

[toxic frigate]

Grind more baby

[inland hound]

cant you just turn broken watches into those parts?

[next dawn]

You can yes

[inland hound]

ez

[smoky latch]

Yeah 5 broken SHD watches give you 15 automated defense parts

[toxic frigate]

I have problem with my field recon data lmao

I guess imma just spam DZ landmark more

[next dawn]

Or control points

[toxic frigate]

Eh control points takes much time I think

[next dawn]

Eh not really

[toxic frigate]

Was it 4 per?

[smoky latch]

Use a one-shot build, cuts the time in half at least

[next dawn]

Heroic gives 4 per

[boreal widget]

worth?

i have 29 watches rn

[smoky latch]

Necessary

The defense parts don't drop

[boreal widget]

made 45
oh

where do i get bt tactical

bt retals work?

[weak quail]

I got lucky and it just dropped from priority objective for me

[smoky latch]

Bounties, craft them and maybe all named faction NPCs, not sure rn

[boreal widget]

cant craft sadly no bp

[smoky latch]

That's why CP farming is important

[weak quail]

Are “repair skills” gear mods the go to for future initiative builds?

[smoky latch]

Skill Haste usually

Have Repair Skills (& SH) on all your pieces

[weak quail]

Ah same as other skill builds eh

[weak quail]

Half and half or prioritize repair and gear mods haste?

[tulip charm]

Yeah btsu gives ur hive all the skill haste you need

[weak quail]

Oh ya that’s true

[tulip charm]

But go skill repair on gear piece until you hit around ~1m on chem

[rain fox]

Would salvo be a good option for a endgame Striker build with chest seen as tho you need to maintain those stacks

[smoky latch]

If you use Repair Skill mods you will quickly notice how slow the regular cooldown it when not breaking your hive. Your call ofc

[next dawn]

Yes

[smoky latch]

The healing is pretty strong anyway so you might as well use SH mods

[weak quail]

Gotcha

Thanks

[rain fox]

OK would you take salvo ceska or salvo overdogs I'm thinking ceska would be more consistency and I can sit at exactly 60 chc

[smoky latch]

If you use Salvo and an LMG with Frenzy there is a good chance you can't keep up Frenzy consistently.
Depends on your build and the activity as well

[worn charm]

If you rly dont like overdogs and want a striker chest, just use coyote

[rain fox]

I'm using lexington

[smoky latch]

This is my casual Striker's build atm

[rain fox]

Nice I have similar but I want a chest build for harder content

[smoky latch]

This is for higher tier Escalations

In legendary content you don't really need the Striker's chest

[rain fox]

Damn so many options lol

This makes sense tho with the frenzy you could maintain the stacks

[smoky latch]

The reload with Frenzy has to fit, if your reload happens too early you won't be able to keep Frenzy up

[rain fox]

Ye I'm spoiled for choice there's so many variables and I've tried more or less every build in game now I'm just looking for a pure eng game build max damage

[normal shadow]

What's the LGM? M249 with Frenzy? And Man mask?

[smoky latch]

MK46, Hollow Man mask

[normal shadow]

Need me one of those. I've been running MG5's and Gear Shift for now.

[smoky latch]

I rather take regular Measured over Perfectly Measured due to the difference for the first half of the magazine between both talents

[rain fox]

OK you fellas have gave me some ideas I'll try make my own build based of your build ty

[smoky latch]

Credit for the Hollow Man version goes to Toastey

[exotic talon]

something i cooked up specifically for retaliations, its very fun

[smoky latch]

Urgh Turmoil

[exotic talon]

mods are chd chd chc

[lone glacier]

Turmoil just doesn't seem worth it in all honesty

[smoky latch]

For HH builds it's alright

I mean technically since Retaliations are mid-long range combat it can work too. But doesn't really save much time

[exotic talon]

i normally only use it with silly mmr builds
but it works really well with 100+ striker stacks on big al

[lone glacier]

But urgh I still need to hit Exp 30

[smoky latch]

Hadi, hadi

J/k, take your time. Rushing this can burn you out quickly

[lone glacier]

I rarely burn out of a game

[smoky latch]

Just mentioning it

[lone glacier]

The only thing that truly burned me out once was WoW Mythic progress raiding for like 3 weeks straight

[clever merlin]

Best build for retaliation is blue screen ND with overdogs imo

[hexed steppe]

Nego Gang, Rise Up!

[lone glacier]

Not for high tier sadly

[hexed steppe]

Retaliation

[clever merlin]

Retaliation not escalation

[lone glacier]

Oh my bad. Work fried me

[clever merlin]

Especially the wave with multiple shield mobs

Feels almost impossible solo with a non ND build

[smoky latch]

Laughs in Striker's

[hexed steppe]

Who wants to kill 1 npc at a time when you could be killing 3

[smoky latch]

Me, breaking the shields is satisfying

I could speed it up by shooting their legs, the hand that sticks out or fire through the peep hole but I prefer breaking them :p

[hexed steppe]

Nobody got time for that 😂

[sterile chasm]

Can I ask a stupid question?

[smoky latch]

If you pay $5 upfront to compensate us, sure

You can ask anything, no worries :p

[clever merlin]

ND not having a range limit is kinda surprising tbh

[sterile chasm]

lmao, it’s silly but if im using something say for the striker build like Elmo’s or the M4 why am i using the MP5? Or even the shotgun if I were to get one

[smoky latch]

Sheriff as secondary is quite nice for Striker's. It's a pretty versatile gear set

[clever merlin]

Can even use pistols for striker if you want to

[smoky latch]

Tempest yeah

[sterile chasm]

I guess my question is why not use the M4 only, unless I ran out of ammo of course? Currently running a M4, MP5ST, and the gunner special pistol

[smoky latch]

I use AR and LMG with it personally. If you wanna stack faster use a fast firing SMG or shotgun

SMG-9/Vector, ACS-12/Stack Broker

[sterile chasm]

I think the guide I have on the spreadsheet uses Elmo’s and stackbroker I believe?

Just haven’t found either yet lol, or Overdogs

[smoky latch]

Farm activities with exotic rewards

[sterile chasm]

Yeah I just did the general Anderson countdown so I need to do normal countdown for the first time now

[smoky latch]

Lex is basically the entry-level AR because it is easy to farm for. If you want more damage run a Police M4 for instance, but any AR with a RoF of 790 RPM+ works

[sterile chasm]

Probably for Overdogs first or better striker armor, I have 52% crit chance and 32 crit dmg

[smoky latch]

Better Striker's pieces I would suggest to up your crits, especially CHD

[sterile chasm]

How important is the 50% crit chance?

[solar sable]

very

[smoky latch]

Crit ratio should be 1:2 until you are able to hit the CHC cap comfortably without sacrificing CHD

[sterile chasm]

hmmm can’t trade much then

[obtuse shoal]

With this event tomorrow should see some crazy crit damage

[smoky latch]

Hence you should farm better rolled pieces

[smoky latch]

Nope

You might think of a different event

Redline Overdrive it's called IIRC

[obtuse shoal]

Well HS damage my b. Love this event as well

[smoky latch]

Yeah time for Regulus to rule again

Plus the season modifier HSD

😙

(I'm aware it works well without event and modifiers but it's the cherry on top)

[obtuse shoal]

Right plus I'm currently SHD level 980 so I'm still trying to hit that before I focus on my build/gear etc.

[solar sable]

Build and knowledge is far more important than SHD level

You're wasting time by focusing on SHD lvl before learning how to build

[grim bluff]

Yeah that sounds backwards, you'll get shd levels farming for gear and faster from having a good build

[grizzled loom]

^ @obtuse shoal

[sterile chasm]

Absolutely, and is that RNG/better difficulty or can I stack pieces to make them better? ( I can’t look at Google Docs rn)

[obtuse shoal]

I mean I'm just having fun with the game honestly. being that I only get to play around 5 hours weekly. Wouldn't even have the time to get the best gear

[solar sable]

a 15 minute Retaliation does wonders you know?

[grim bluff]

It takes way less time than you think, a few countdown runs can get you most or all of a set minus exotics

[obtuse shoal]

them damn hunters....

[grim bluff]

Retaliations get you the BPs too yeah

[obtuse shoal]

it's like going against thanos

[smoky latch]

Just farm, preferably on higher world difficulty for beter minimum quality of drops

[solar sable]

If you had a healer or a hazpro foam player, Hunter's would take less than 30 seconds to take down if the team has enough dmg to take advantage of the buffs these Supports grant

[sterile chasm]

oh gotchu, just get a whole bunch and grind down the pile after

[obtuse shoal]

Gotcha, also should I focus on upgrading my proficiency as well?

[solar sable]

Donate junk is what you'll be best doing at early stages

[obtuse shoal]

Copy

[sterile chasm]

Oh, I shouldn’t be dismantling?

[grim bluff]

Make sure to fill your library with high stat rolls too, from items you won't use

Then you can fix up any gear drops you do get

[sterile chasm]

Shoot, I’ve messed up badly

[grim bluff]

You're fine, don't worry about what you've been doing previously, can't change that

[sterile chasm]

Like I was looking at guides and I’m 75% sure I dismantled something called “The Setup”

[normal shadow]

Problem is I haven't a perfect MK46 with Measured. And I don't really enjoy GR9 with Frenzy because it's pretty hard to time optimally.

[sterile chasm]

That’s fair, can only do better forward

[grim bluff]

You'll get LOTS of drops so don't worry about it

[sterile chasm]

Fair enough

[smoky latch]

Well it shoots slower; Frenzy timing with GR9 is not hard

[sterile chasm]

Mainly just weapons too, I don’t seem to use my mp5 much just my police m4 unless I somehow run out of ammo

[normal shadow]

I need to practice more to get it together reliably. I would enjoy a MG5 but the ammo pool is so small.

[smoky latch]

Yeah MG5 Frenzy doesn't work well, but Killer is on it is nice

[obtuse shoal]

I need to find someone with the bounty so I can get quickstep

[smoky latch]

Try in #lfg-xbox

[lone wadi]

you can just craft military mk46 with frenzy

[normal shadow]

I've had Measured on MG5, Killer could be really good as well.

[smoky latch]

I like Measured on LMGs with more ammo per box

[normal shadow]

I can see that argument.

[lone wadi]

wdym by more ammo per box

[normal shadow]

I think I need to farm for a MG5 with Killer to try that one. And then MK46 as well.

[smoky latch]

More than 85 rounds (MG5)

150/200

[lone wadi]

ah thats what you mean

[smoky latch]

Maybe you got confused by "box" :p

[normal shadow]

Huh, apparently I've got a Military MK46 with decent rolls and can put Measured on it.

Now I just need to tinker both to perfection.

[obtuse shoal]

Sooo I need a better understanding of "Re-rolling" gear/guns. Wouldn't I do this at the crafting station under the recalibration tab?

[solar sable]

take a read at the Lvl40 Starters Guide

[stoic linden]

I just started playing on pc what build should i be aiming for?

[lone wadi]

yea i definitely thought you were talking about the ammo ammo box lol

[smoky latch]

LMGs usually have ammo boxes, there's only a few with magazines :p

[hazy steeple]

You can just say "mags" for them, it's 100% fine.

Otherwise you start to approach the "battle rifle" curve, and no one likes that person.

[shut dew]

anyone know a good solo build for escal that doesnt use proto or lexington

[solar sable]

4pc strikers, hollow man and ceska gloves, Police M4 w/Measured or MK46 with Frenzy/Measured

[shut dew]

any specific stats i should be going for i can send a pic of what i currently have

[solar sable]

CHC and CHD

[shut dew]

this is what i currently use

[lone wadi]

dont run any blues, especially solo

[solar sable]

get rid of the blues and memento, wont help at all

armor in Escalation is useless

[lone wadi]

its great if you wanna be a healer for the enemies

[shut dew]

got it i didnt know the blues werent the best thankfully i have a red core set as well

[lone wadi]

solo high tier escalation can be very rough, highly recommend running with a group if you can

[solar sable]

T4 is sweet for solo

[boreal widget]

any guides videos you guys suggest before doing exal? 🤔

I want to try it out but unsure if ill be able to

[smoky latch]

Escalations?

[boreal widget]

yes

[smoky latch]

Not really. Do T1/2 for a few times to check out differences

After that they get mega health bumps and additional modifiers you need to pay attention to

[boreal widget]

where do i start them from

[smoky latch]

Play careful, preferably from distance, have a solid DPS build

[smoky latch]

WH compound is the hub

[alpine wigeon]

Is Damage to target out of cover still the best attribute for the rock n' roll if I'm using it for stacking?

[solar sable]

RoF

[smoky latch]

You can fast travel to each available mission and start it that way

[normal shadow]

Ok I tried GR9 with Frenzy in a CD and it took some setup but it was doable. Will probably be very good in bullet sponge fights.

[boreal widget]

how do i rank this up?

[alpine wigeon]

Would you consider the Rock n' Roll to be the best stacking weapon for a Striker's build?

[solar sable]

if it uses Strikers Chest, any ACS-12 with RoF and Fast Hands works

[alpine wigeon]

What if it doesn't use the chest?

[solar sable]

I think we have already gone through this, you dont want ACS for stacking strikers without its chest, smg-9 is a better option

[smoky latch]

Do T0 and collect tokens

[boreal widget]

alr

[young flower]

is acs better than smg-9 for dealing damage though

[solar sable]

the other way

[young flower]

smg is better?

[solar sable]

for most situations yes

[young flower]

damn I saw someone send a clip saying acs was the meta stack I probably didn't see the part where they said for striker chest

[alpine wigeon]

Yeah I was just going off the guide from the spreadsheets which is why I didn't know

[young flower]

the striker guide says acs12 with brazen and dttooc is bis for dps what situation is smg9 stronger

[grizzled garnet]

no equalizer?

[shut dew]

i have it

[ivory abyss]

Prob likes the armor on kill for it right

since you have some blue cores and momento

[shut dew]

had the wrong one equiped ngl

[ivory abyss]

xD

[shut dew]

just got a blue core hollow man tho

dont know if i should run it tho

[lone wadi]

nah no crit

[shut dew]

yea that was sadly the roll after 5 runs

[flint arch]

hollow man always drops with a blue core. you need a crit stat to reroll the core to red

[shut dew]

ah

just trying to get something that can farm t3 pretty relaxed

[errant hornet]

Is there a substitute for hollow man on an all red striker for escalation?

[lone wadi]

just take your normal striker

t3 is chill enough plus its still heroic ai so kinda dum

[teal ibex]

so im curious. since many uses striker. i found a guy who made a really neat build (needs more effort then simple strike build)

can i post the link and can u guys say ya or nah?

[solar sable]

let's see it

[subtle bluff]

Me

Stacking is only need on chest.

[young flower]

right you made that guide
is acs12 with brazen dttooc better than smg9 for dps
your guide says its acs12 but karaoke says its smg9

[subtle bluff]

Yhal doesn’t drop normally.

[subtle bluff]

I need to edit the guide better to state that.

[teal ibex]

https://youtu.be/MhOw_FBTTbs?si=LqsDRFJ1IqOTIEOU

[teal ibex]

im shd 380 or so. rather low i know. but it fairs so well in legend even

[subtle bluff]

If you’re doing dmg anyways and able to kill thing why would need to stack?

[solar sable]

trash

[teal ibex]

because?

[solar sable]

armor is pointless, there's a golden rule to follow

"Kill or be killed"
Armor will only delay an inevitable death

[subtle bluff]

Almost anything is viable up to solo heroics. Doesn’t mean it’s good and that it’ll scale into harder content.

[solar sable]

these numbers are absolute dog btw

[teal ibex]

i run this with friends.

[teal ibex]

idk even what wep he uses there lol

[subtle bluff]

in what?

[teal ibex]

mostly all content lol

[solar sable]

then it isnt great either, bloodsucker requires kills and you wont kill a single elite by yourself with that thing

[subtle bluff]

That video is a bunch of cherry picked clips of doing heroic stuff.

[teal ibex]

i barely solonplay

[subtle bluff]

With modifiers I guess it’s w/e

[teal ibex]

i dont see vigilance work since u tank damage a lot

[subtle bluff]

We don’t take dmg?

[solar sable]

tank is useless too

[hazy steeple]

Just so everyone's on the same page: Heroic is considered the "default" difficulty of endgame, or in a lot of cases: "the minimum difficulty".

[teal ibex]

well. he focuses more on armor regen then maxing out armor

[subtle bluff]

I saw blue.

[teal ibex]

theres like 2 blue if i recall?

i dont wanna be stubborn really xD. i just cant find the build i like right now👀

[solar sable]

this is the video's build, it wont take you anywhere

[subtle bluff]

When showcases can show doing something more or less hard solo then it’s something

This game is only a 1/3 of it is build.

You need a mix of that, gameplay and knowledge to clear all of the hardest content.

[teal ibex]

i got an hotshot snipy/ bleed build that is nice. but very squishy. even on heroic.

[solar sable]

look, Blood, this "overview" is not an overview at all
he's just breaking down what you can use, he doesnt show any maths, any complete gameplay, any proof that can reassure you it works on any content

also, why tf is he recommending Pestilence with that sh- thing?

[teal ibex]

thanks for saying. says more then enough. i guess i look further into something that does work

[subtle bluff]

I love it’s all exo weapons

[teal ibex]

i like elmo/chameleon a lot. with the crusader shield usually. but in 3 hits im usually ground hugging😅

[solar sable]

are u a Run&Gun player?

[teal ibex]

depends on mood. but usually like mid short range.

but i die too quick😅

[onyx sage]

good positioning is what you want to pay attention to, you don't really make a build solve that problem for you, if you know how to position well to stay alive then you might as well put your build budget into damage to kill stuff faster, generally that approach is more consistent than trying to trade damage in the harder difficulties

[subtle bluff]

Aka running at bullets isn’t the way.

[onyx sage]

like don't try to take damage, do your best to not take damage, use tall cover, don't use short cover, use cover to cover animation, etc.

[teal ibex]

i try not. but sometimes ai feels like a damm aimbot 🤣

[onyx sage]

if you're out in the open and you're not in cover to cover and a NPC shoots at you, you WILL get hit

[subtle bluff]

You let them aim at your longer the more time they can aim better at you.

[onyx sage]

just use cover to cover to reposition

[subtle bluff]

Ok.. I could have said that better…

[teal ibex]

all good lol. its word of advice. i guess i adjust my playstyle a bit🤔

[onyx sage]

it's the hardest content, it needs you to play it a certain way, but once you're comfortable with it it'll spoil all the easier difficulties

[subtle bluff]

The longer you let the AI aim at you the better they get. Targeting what you can and taking out what you can from safety of cover/LoS is what’s the focus. PIE the cover you have.

[solar sable]

if only someone uploaded videos destroying other YTbers to get rid of clickbait...

[teal ibex]

perhaps this is the issue i face. stick too long on 1 spot.

but still. the smgs have such a short range. like very short. like vector or p90 feels like max 3meter or something 👀

[solar sable]

also, read this

@teal ibex

[subtle bluff]

SMG are hard to play it’s why HF does so good with it.

[teal ibex]

lol fair.

[teal ibex]

im sorry HF?

[subtle bluff]

Cherry picked clips too

[teal ibex]

wait hold up. dien is builder?👀 cool!

[subtle bluff]

Hunter Fury

[teal ibex]

ohhh i got half a build with that🤔

[solar sable]

he's one of the most valuable players out there

[subtle bluff]

Showcase like I do but he’s better.

[teal ibex]

he made youtube vids too?👀

[onyx sage]

idk what these guys are talking about

[solar sable]

"are you sure about that?" 🧍‍♂️

[teal ibex]

hm he does. but showcases🤔

[hazy steeple]

Sorry Dien, you're a youtuber. So you aren't trusted anymore.
I don't make the rules.

[onyx sage]

my time has come gif

[teal ibex]

nice to know u dien. u betrayed the community it seems 😭

[subtle bluff]

I just make one shot runs on heroics. D=

The least clickbait

[warm lagoon]

I tried the Gear Shift with the normal Striker set this morning. Seems to be pretty good. The 1st half of the mag builds the stacks and the 2nd half hit hard

[teal ibex]

ill be back.. for advice for builds😁. most stuff i learned is. crit chance.. all pieces😶

[onyx sage]

basically the point of my channel is to run the hardest content using builds that are relatively easy to put together and has no hassle unlike most of the bottom-of-the-barrel YT builds out there.

i make the opposite of build videos basically. i let the runs themselves sell the builds, but sometimes people miss the point and think the build makes 100% of the run when it's really like 20%

[boreal widget]

what to pick? layout healer and dps(2 diff builds)

[teal ibex]

having a good start for a build is good yes. the first 20%. the rest is skill issue (aka me dieing)

[ivory abyss]

Does anyone have the actual % difference of strikers with hollow man mask and ceska gloves vs strikers with contractors and ceska mask when using an LMG specifically for the escalation missions

[onyx sage]

yaahl mask non-named?

any prototype difference?

[lone wadi]

he's just an average player fr

[ivory abyss]

fixed it lol sorry, hollow man mask

[onyx sage]

any difference in prototype?

or i'll just make assumptions

[smoky latch]

It's a different use scenario

[ivory abyss]

Well people say to use hollow man mask because a lot of people are using that but i wonder what the DPS % difference is between that set up and contractors

[onyx sage]

hollow man is gonna be stronger against chungas, electronics and reds cuz they're all health

[ivory abyss]

because I mean to be fair the enemies have a split amount. I dont think health damage is more dominant over armor

In the enemy types you will encounter

[lone wadi]

red enemies are pretty frequent still

[ivory abyss]

Contractors also give LMG damage for brand bonus while hollow man gives nothing worth

[onyx sage]

it's also a bit faction dependent. black tusk will have electronics more which gives dth more value

[smoky latch]

Again, different use scenarios. If you have a mission with more armored enemies you can switch

[lone violet]

Does od work more for health tanks or higher play?

[smoky latch]

?

[silent storm]

Too bad that Prototype didn't make Brand Set bonuses better. I feel like that would be more interesting than the attributes.

[solar sable]

it struggles with armor plates as they protect the NPC from bleed, it'll take longer to get them off

[lone violet]

So you want as much dmg to armor as possible where gears like striker perform over all better?

[molten thorn]

Armor plates aren't armor. They're health

The white ticks on the health bar count as armor

[solar sable]

well, OD works as a support for enemies that don't have plates (they don't count as armor)

[subtle bluff]

We talking escalation?

[solar sable]

nah, this ^

[lone violet]

I’m just wondering cause the most I do is legendary missions cause I’m not at expert lvl 30

[subtle bluff]

2 part answer.
HP rds (Hallow Point rounds) is the base of OD dmg. 50% amp to anything.
Then everything else follows.

Sadist needs bleeding target.
Wicked needs Status Effected someone.

Or in case for Vigilance doesn't care.

[ivory abyss]

With how the odds are of getting something to drop that’s useful lol I do not mind getting this item in a T5 pretty cool

[flint arch]

iofjdoijfridsaogpfsadhf89siruasofhosdfifjpodasjfkodag

[subtle bluff]

I'm gonna be the only one without prototype gear.

[smoky latch]

Nice drop. Go play the lottery today

[ivory abyss]

lol 😄

I was just running for cores and I am def not dismantling that

[smoky latch]

Keeper for sure

[ivory abyss]

Especially if they add a way to boost the stats

[lone wadi]

i deconstructed this one

[ivory abyss]

is that ceska mask?

[lone wadi]

no its araldi knees 💀

[ivory abyss]

LOL

[flint arch]

💀

[silent storm]

Anyone test Echo yet with multiple pieces or is it still too rare in the hands of the mathers?

[ivory abyss]

what tier did that drop in? T10 huh

[lone wadi]

t9

[ivory abyss]

damn lol

[lone violet]

Cause I have a tinker load out with it but I wasn’t too sure on play like legendary

[subtle bluff]

Running Frenzy works to you're DPS but the playstyle is a bit different.

[lone violet]

I run reviver and decoy

[clever merlin]

Is there a non turret/drone skill build that's viable with the current modifiers?

[smoky latch]

You mean skill damage wise?

Mortar

[clever merlin]

Isn't that a turret still

Or is it a drone I forgot

[smoky latch]

Turret variant, yes. Any build that deals skill damage then if you totally don't wanna use any of them

[fervent crest]

I wanna prototype my other lexingtons should I do optimist or measured i already have one with killer seen here

[serene hare]

Wow, there's a little bit of picture on this saturation.

[fervent crest]

Yeh I took it with my phone thats why forgot to turn the flash of haha

[solar sable]

Measured

[fervent crest]

Yeah i was thinking the same tbf

Also I realise now I can do both since I have like 5 in my stash

[smoky latch]

Def try Measured

[fervent crest]

Cool just gotta get it from 26 to 30 I have no resources 😭😭😭😭

[smoky latch]

No rush with that stuff

[fervent crest]

Also why cant i equip the agitator weapon skin

It doesn't even show that I own it

[smoky latch]

Bugged, it has no skin slot

[fervent crest]

Ahhhhh why am I not surprised

[obsidian bronze]

would coyote, 4pc striker (chest, backpack, gloves and holster) + fox's prayer be good for allc levels of escal?

with GR9 with frenzy

[smoky latch]

It's alright I'd say

[obsidian bronze]

what should be improved? i wanna start getting into escal

[fervent crest]

I wouldn't use the the gr9 personally but thats up to you

[obsidian bronze]

i was told its the best lmg, what would you recommend?

[fervent crest]

Its technically the best but I hate how it feels in game

[obsidian bronze]

oh gotchaa so a preference thing

[smoky latch]

#td2-build-advice message

This is pretty good

[fervent crest]

Thats the lmg I use yeah

[obsidian bronze]

is that contractors? and idk the mask

[fervent crest]

Hollow man

[smoky latch]

Česká gloves and Hollow Man mask

[fervent crest]

And ceska yeah

[obsidian bronze]

what makes hollowman good?

[smoky latch]

DtH

[fervent crest]

Health damage

[obsidian bronze]

gotcha

[smoky latch]

Good when prototyped

[fervent crest]

Yep thats what I am working on next

I also use this build as well for higher teirs

[obsidian bronze]

the mods and chest attri i'll change in a sec

i have no idea why it looks like that

[fervent crest]

Looking good Looking good just gotta change the gloves

[hazy steeple]

I think it's a HDR thing, the desaturation.

[obsidian bronze]

i already have 60% chc

[smoky latch]

HDR

[subtle bluff]

is this for normal PvE

[obsidian bronze]

escal

[subtle bluff]

oh.

+t6?

[fervent crest]

Yeah these builds aren't good for normal pve or open world

[smoky latch]

Česká gloves

[fervent crest]

This is the one I use for t6 plus

[obsidian bronze]

already got 60% chc tho?

[fervent crest]

You need to swith stuff to crit dmg for when you prototype

[subtle bluff]

I saw your post.... Contractor gloves isn't good there.

[smoky latch]

It's because of the intrinsic 5% from GR9. Change values around

[subtle bluff]

what Teir?

[obsidian bronze]

im only just getting ito it

[smoky latch]

Depends on the mission, it's not bad but Hollow Man provides more benefits on average

[subtle bluff]

Don't worry about the build so much then. Till you get ot t5 use the normal stuff

[fervent crest]

Sure I use them because they are more consistent for higher teir and its easier to switch to birdies backpack when I need to revives someone I use this build for t6 and below

[obsidian bronze]

i know just preparing

also what secondary should i throw on?

[subtle bluff]

Um.. I never questioned the BP..

[smoky latch]

Scorpio is nice

[fervent crest]

Scorpio is incredible i alternate between the two

[obsidian bronze]

huh?

[subtle bluff]

Ceska will do more than Contractor overall. Only time we use Contractor in meta build is for Skill Stuff or it was Pesti. Otherwise the math doesn't math out for it that well

[obsidian bronze]

really?

[fervent crest]

I use ravenous for tanks scorpio for general ads

[obsidian bronze]

my scorpio has chc for 3rd

[subtle bluff]

Not you for that. Other keep pull more context out.

[smoky latch]

12% DtA (proto) on Contractor's with LMG DtA is not bad

[subtle bluff]

True but Ceska just keep it simpler and will generally do more.

Yea Proto isn't bad but again since all of this context is with a heroic/escalation setup there not that much armor HPs.

[fervent crest]

I know thats why I use em for higher teirs the dth isn't as useful when most ads are armoured in the higher teirs

[subtle bluff]

Again why Ceska just will do more since your Crit numbers aren't anything high.

[lone wadi]

higher tiers just means enemies scale higher

[smoky latch]

Ceska BP and Contractor's should be fine for high tiers IF the mission has a meaningful amount of NPCs with armor. Situational

[fervent crest]

Yeah I know i just get more purple and gold ads on higher teirs personally

[lone wadi]

ad spawns are random

[smoky latch]

Hollow Man on average better

[smoky latch]

Not entirely

[subtle bluff]

oh right Ceska BP then just Overdogs here.

[obsidian bronze]

so just to clarify just need ceska gloves and im balling?

[subtle bluff]

oh then they have issues hotswapping over exo..

[lone wadi]

yes

[smoky latch]

No Overdogs in high tier Escalations I'd say

[fervent crest]

I agree not worth

[lone wadi]

i find overdogs to be fine tbh

[subtle bluff]

It's still fine to use. Just need to know what you're doing.

Everything needs to die anyways.

[fervent crest]

True dat

[smoky latch]

No. Think of factions

[subtle bluff]

30% amp still beats all proto stuff

[hearty orbit]

how does the new exotic mask fit in with end game content, all reds for the 30% chd

[lone wadi]

i meant yes, youre right

[subtle bluff]

if everyone has overdogs on sure then no. If you're one or 2 then I say go for it.

[fervent crest]

You that lucky to get one all reds i am high key jealous it took me 50 re rolls to get 3 reds lol

[subtle bluff]

With Mats and RNG meh. But also Grupo it sitting at 25 CHD

[hearty orbit]

I am not lol just a hypothetical

[subtle bluff]

what's hard benchmark for solo escalation? T5 or is it T6?

[fervent crest]

Ohh

[fervent crest]

Id say t5 because t6 has hot foot and hot foot sucks assssssss

Personaly I dont go past t3 solo depending on the mission

I cant wait for Lincoln memorial escalation thats gonna be a great week for grinding t0-3

[smoky latch]

T3/4 for smooth runs I'd say. T5 already takes much longer

[fervent crest]

Only issue is t4 has the same proto drop rate as t3

[silent storm]

Can do some missions T10 solo, I got to second AA pad last night before I messed up and died in The Capitol

[obsidian bronze]

best tier for farming with randoms/ solo?

[fervent crest]

3

[smoky latch]

Fxckers knew what they did there, annoyingly

[obsidian bronze]

alrighty

[fervent crest]

Exactly putting them both at 0.4% is so shit

I feel it should go up in 0.2% from t0 to 10 so that t10 is 2% per add. Also I think t9 and 10 should have a minimum 1 guarantee drop every time

[hazy steeple]

#1380126780152614944 would be a great place to mention this stuff, they've let us know the Prototype system is still being worked on.

[fervent crest]

I will put that there actually

[smoky latch]

Do it

[fervent crest]

Done

I put it in the quality of life one

Could've gone in game modes tbf

[fervent crest]

Do you have a good skill build for escalation I've seen many but dont know what to pick

[silent storm]

Skill builds don't work too well past tier 3

[smoky latch]

For lower tiers Refactor is nice

[fervent crest]

Thats what I have now lol

[smoky latch]

Beyond that I'd only recommend a FI healer

[fervent crest]

Got one of those to its always fun to run healer i can sit back and relax

[smoky latch]

Additional NPC modifiers, resistances, blabla

[silent storm]

Yeah, Escalation is a DPS heavy activity and not even 1-shot builds work very well there in higher tiers

[smoky latch]

You can't relax with a FI healer much lol

At least not if you wanna perform well

[fervent crest]

Nah i just find a good corner and throw my hive out and sprint and revive people when I need with birdies

[silent storm]

FI Scorp and The Setup works well at higher tier

[fervent crest]

Everyone runs decoys in my team so I never get hit

[smoky latch]

Setup/Scorpio will be really important

[silent storm]

Can use Smart Cover up to tier 5 then it's full heals to 10

[fervent crest]

Is capacitor not worth it?

[smoky latch]

No

Not for a FI healer

[fervent crest]

Fair enough I use birdies tho tbf i will switch off of capacitor tho

[smoky latch]

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1I9gpi7gA4C9xCfFWLmY5hwaw8qpmPzG4kmI9nDjmKbo/edit?usp=drivesdk

[silent storm]

You would want BTSU Datagloves to reset everyones Reviver Hives

[smoky latch]

Use more skill haste I'd suggest but up to you

[smoky latch]

Don't keep Birdie's equipped. Hot swap if you need

[fervent crest]

Im so glad I got a good setup ages ago and its just been sitting in my stash time to pull it out

[smoky latch]

With a FI setup like above it'll take a few seconds longer cuz of BTSU gloves

[fervent crest]

Dis good

[subtle bluff]

that only goes so far.

[silent storm]

Just keep everyones hive topped off and you shouldn't need Birdies. The key is you have to play the missions back like when Heroic first came out and have good positioning. No running and gunning

[smoky latch]

Looks good at first glance

[fervent crest]

Just gotta optimise the backpack that'll be fun

I never have flags and clipboard anymore 😂😭😭

[fervent crest]

Me and the people I play with are fine with em they go quite far as long as you co ordinate and throw them in the proper places which isn't hard to do

[subtle bluff]

With teamwork/comms it does go a long way with heroic ai

[fervent crest]

True dat

[subtle bluff]

context wasn't there to fill that in.

[fervent crest]

Would a stack broker with sledgehammer be good or is there no point in have like 3 collecting dust in my stash

5%is a big difference tbf

[smoky latch]

You can change its talent tho. I just kept one

Just use Lefty if you want sledgehammer

[fervent crest]

All the ones I have i can change the tallent of thankfully but ill just keep the lefty if thats what you suggest

[subtle bluff]

Lefty with double RoF is a good balance between the 2.

[fervent crest]

Hmm that's a shout actually I might test that out

[atomic turtle]

@hexed steppe I despise you. Look at what you did to me.

Turned me into a toxic PvE-er.

[flint arch]

Another has fallen to the mortarganda

[subtle bluff]

Try the version with Overdogs

[hexed steppe]

Mortar Gang, Rise Up!

[smoky latch]

The augment for grenade radius does not impact mortar, right?

[soft crane]

I just woke up scrolling facebook and then...

🤮

[smoky latch]

Delete this, my eyes bleed

That dude should stick to PvP

[hazy steeple]

Over 100% DR, so you take extra Damage?
Weird choice, but sure whatever floats your goat.

[analog mural]

nah excess dmg is instead converted to healing

[soft crane]

Is there a YouTuber who actually makes good build?

RogueGold and NothingbutSkills maybe?

[flint arch]

neither of them

[smoky latch]

No

I mean most make somehow valid builds - doesn't mean they're actually good

[hazy steeple]

It doesn't matter if what that person says is true, a thumbnail like that means they are somehow lying.

They're gonna change the meta single-handedly.

[shy willow]

im not allowed to be too specific but i will say i have seen that name

[soft crane]

back to watching NGN i guess.

[hazy steeple]

Yeah I realised I should change "that channel" to be more general.

to be honest, no single div2 youtuber is any worse than another. Just most of them are bad.

[smoky latch]

Hmhm

[soft crane]

The title has to be clickbait.

[lost wren]

i find that the less you watch youtubers for the games you play, the better off you are

[shy willow]

For those curious about what he actually cooked

(the kitchen has been burnt down)

[smoky latch]

lol

[broken edge]

Wouldnt that be like 37%DR at max?

[smoky latch]

Did he count PfE into it?

[broken edge]

I guess pfe

[shy willow]

I assumed he would've had a defender drone as that's the only way I know to become completely immune

[broken edge]

If he threw in defender drone it could be at least be a funny thing

[smoky latch]

Yeah lmao

Bozo

[shy willow]

im not sure if provocator and aegis dr are additive

but assuming they are its like (1.25+whateveraegisstacksdr)*(1.36)

not even survivalist for that pfe

[smoky latch]

He might be using seasonal modifiers for PfE

[atomic turtle]

This feels illegal.

[silent storm]

The worst part of that build is dude doesn't know how Aegis is pronounced

[solar sable]

sir

[shy willow]

Aegis maff too much

Scales off group size and however many people are targeting you it's genuinely inconsistency: the gearset

Though you could argue it's consistently terrible

[solar sable]

it's consistently inconsistent

[ebon lantern]

About to aska question I imagine has been asked to death and I didn't see it on the sheet. Any Core Strength enjoyers with some advice? Looking to build that next

[flint arch]

no core strength enjoyers here

[shy willow]

theres a fair share of people who swear by it but its astoundingly mid imo

[toxic frigate]

tried the core strength in dz yesterday

ngl im not impressed lmao

[shy willow]

its much more powerful in pvp

[ebon lantern]

Happy to see we do have Stirker Enjoyers

[lament reef]

strikers is like chicken tenders the gearset

[silent storm]

ok that's not bad

[smoky latch]

HHF with focus on shotty

[soft crane]

I might be wrong but, between Strikers and Tipping Scales, I feel like you should balance them out in terms of their respective buffs. Strikers gives weapon damage, thats why I think your weapon talent should give crit damage like Strained or Killer. Tipping Scales gives crit damage, thats why I think your weapon talent should give weapon damage like Alejandro.

What you guys think?

[violet juniper]

Yeah... That's typically how you'd make a DPS build

[buoyant perch]

Striker gives amplified damage (in game text is wrong) so you don't need to worry about balancing damage buckets as much. The later half is true for tipping.

[halcyon sentinel]

what a good smg build?

[subtle bluff]

In the end they give close to the same amount dmg it's just how the stacks are made and loss is really the difference between the builds.

[subtle bluff]

Both striker and HF (Hunters Fury)

[soft crane]

I see...

[soft crane]

How much CHD you think its starting to give diminishing returns?

Im thinking more than 300%.

[analog mural]

im thinking any chd is good unless its costing you chc or ur on TS where more crit from killer isnt valuable

[buoyant perch]

Kinda hard to see without charting a graph 🤔

[soft crane]

I've been in this server long enough to know there are countless guides for pretty much everything.

Perhaps its time for someone to make a new one.

[subtle bluff]

In sense it's DR if you can choose something else over it.

Hence the TS chest vs Obli/GC

[soft crane]

Whats GC?

[subtle bluff]

Glass Cannon

[soft crane]

Ah ok.

[subtle bluff]

Like TS chest still wins at the peak but how closely the other 2 follow behind for the value is rather big.

[soft crane]

I see

[timid crown]

Does the NinjaBike drop "randomly"? there is no mission that has a 100% drop rate on it?

[shy willow]

no exotics have a guaranteed drop source outside of certain climax exotics, of which ninjabike is not part

[last nexus]

Speaking of the ninjabike, is it actually a dps loss running it in a build?

[timid crown]

Not sure how, it can provide a 4 piece and 3 piece set bonus. some bonuses are heafty.

[buoyant perch]

The backpack talent is a major source of damage, higher than brand bonuses we get from NBB

[shy willow]

yes

[analog mural]

if ur using it on strikers its a 25% damage amp loss ur leaving on the table

[last nexus]

Yes the Striker backpack is non negotiable

[onyx sage]

more like 15% but yes

[analog mural]

isnt it 65 to 90

[onyx sage]

yes, but that means 1.9/1.65 = 1.15...

so the "amp" is close to 15%

that's the value for no chest, with chest the backpack value goes up a bit

[buoyant perch]

Which is why many people are using vigilance on striker

[onyx sage]

if striker backpack is actually 25% no one would be using vigilance

[strong charm]

what combo works best for lmg damage pls? health, out of cover, or armor?

[solar sable]

you talking about third attribute?

[strong charm]

2nd an 3rd yes srry

[solar sable]

core attributes are fixed, LMGs need CHC as third attribute

[strong charm]

oh ok thx very much

[analog mural]

im gonna crash out

[earnest pendant]

I've been seeing that combo except with Equalizer chest be ran so many times today

[smoky latch]

Bruh why NBB

[earnest pendant]

Yeah I don't get the hype

When I tested it, the DPS loss was like 2 mil

[smoky latch]

Ppl will argue the mag size makes this build better

[earnest pendant]

That's the one real bonus

[smoky latch]

Well, the one with with Equalizer, not the one above

[hazy steeple]

If you want a mag size build, you gotta go all-in with UA and high-end.

[last nexus]

So if I was running a Core Strength Skill Hybrid with Picaro's and Unit Alloys Mask , what would you suggest to replace the NBB?

[smoky latch]

I would not recommend running it in PvE at all. Rather pick a clean build and get better results

But that's just me

[last nexus]

Yes but would you recommend the Memento or Core Strength backpack or even just something else?

[earnest pendant]

Stick with NBB for Core Strength builds

[smoky latch]

Depends on what you plan on running exactly

NBB for versatility and Memento for possibly more damage or skill efficiency and survivability

[earnest pendant]

But yeah there's a lot better options for PvE builds than Core Strength ones

[iron flame]

whats the best attribute for bluescreen?

[smoky latch]

CHC usually

Goes for any LMG in general

[toxic frigate]

das crazy

[wispy hollow]

I run DTA for my ND build and CHC for OD build

[solar sable]

what's your CHC with Nego?

[earnest pendant]

Is there a sheet that compares Tipping Scales to Striker?

[wispy hollow]

55% CHC 137% CHD

[sacred flare]

Why

[solar sable]

NBB + fenris chest is not the best combo for Strikers

[sacred flare]

yikes that’s bad

[solar sable]

everything is wrong in that pic

[solar sable]

fair enough

[wispy hollow]

My current setup

[subtle bluff]

CHC on bluescreen

[wispy hollow]

I tried that, didnt see much of a difference.
With CHC on weapon - 58.5% CHC 149% CHD

[subtle bluff]

If you do a math CHC will do more.

I main Bluescreeen ND.

as my carry leggo build.

[wispy hollow]

True it does come out on top definitely, I just liked DTA more.

[wispy hollow]

Completely agree with you, just wanted a different setup.
Will try one with RoF next to see the difference

[subtle bluff]

Just throw on equalizer and you can see it.

The other reason I would argue is for switching out for Big AL

[shut kindle]

I wish the reroll cap maxed out at like 10-15

25 is ridiculous, it basically means it cheaper to throw it away and try again

[solar sable]

this is so true

[shut kindle]

I have everything echo apart from my chest, my chest has maybe cost me over 100 cores, still stuck at paradox

Thing is, paradox wouldn't be bad, but it actually glitches the fire rate of my guns when it activates, so I think it's actually worse than not having anything

I get two rounds come out really slowly and then it goes back to normal