td2-build-advice

[minor grove]

So they just never fixed it 🙄

I have never understood that

[hazy steeple]

It was fixed, then unfixed.

[grim bluff]

Yeah lots of things have the wrong description, it's fun!

[hexed steppe]

Yeah, never reverted the description

[hazy steeple]

Sort of like how Determined should work like Perfect Determined.

[hexed steppe]

Description was changed on regular determined...

"working as intended"

Determined makes me sick tho, so I shouldn't start in on it

[grim bluff]

Sounds like when it comes to not using that talent you're really

||Resolved ||

[halcyon sentinel]

which one is better?

[soft crane]

CHD though get DTOOC if you can

[halcyon sentinel]

i will if i get the mats

[soft crane]

alright

[halcyon sentinel]

id DTOOC worth even if both the core attributes is low?

[soft crane]

you can optimize them

no need to hurry

[versed summit]

Sledge was described correctly, they only messed it up when they partially reverted it.

[analog mural]

yes dtooc is the best on AR even if its low

[halcyon sentinel]

optimize is reconfigure/recalibrate right?

oh nvm there is a menu for ti

[analog mural]

no thats different

optimize is improving a stat on ur gear/weapon

while recalibrating is changing it to a different one

[soft crane]

Reconfiguring is gambling.

And thats a fact...

[halcyon sentinel]

it use the library stat?

[soft crane]

Unfortunately exotics cant be recalibrated, only reconfigure and optimized.

[analog mural]

technically u kinda need a maxed attribute in order to optimize a gear to max

[halcyon sentinel]

oh okay

[jagged flume]

Hey guys, I've been wondering what the best balance between survivability and weapon dmg (blue/red cores) is when it comes to Escalations/ Incursions/ Raids and Legendary missions. As the stats are frozen once an item is prototyped I really need to think this over before I do anything.

Unfortunately I already prototyped 2/4 of my striker pieces w/ the backpack having a blue and the holster having a red core. What also sort of sucks is that I have already invested a lot of mats into my remaining prototypable items (striker chest EXP24/ EXP22 kneepads) and the ceska mask (luckily only) EXP14.

Both striker pieces are stuck w/ a red core so there is no more changing that anymore, same w/ the mask and I am also weary of upgrading the mask since it has both CHC&CHD and I'm only looking for CHD increases.

So should I/(do I have to) create new EXP30 striker chest and kneepads w/blue cores for a total of 3 blue cores (backpack, chest kneepads) and should I also create a new Striker Holster w/ a blue core even though I already protoyped that one or not? What would you guys do? How many blue cores would you guys aim for?

[halcyon sentinel]

i assume all stat can be optimized?

[smoky latch]

Full red Striker's

[soft crane]

"Why would you guys do?"
Run 6 Red Cores 👈

[soft crane]

Yeh

[jagged flume]

Ah thats an intersting doc, do u have alink to a library or similar? Been looking for new ones since iKia quit the game

[halcyon sentinel]

a follow up question, where do i get the mats?

[soft crane]

Im pretty sure his builds are still good and relevant.

[soft crane]

What mats? Just deconstruct garbage stuffs.

[jagged flume]

The prototyped ones no. Once protoyped your stuck w/ the stats, "Normal gear" however can be optimized and recalibrated.

[smoky latch]

There is nothing like it

[halcyon sentinel]

this thing

[smoky latch]

You can take a look at the pinned spreadsheet here but it's not the same

[soft crane]

Oh btw prototype is confirmed gonna be recalibrated/optimized in the future update.

[jagged flume]

Fs, I do still have his library and use it quite frequently but the more time passes the more out of date it will become sadly

[jagged flume]

Oh fr?

[soft crane]

Dude relax, they rarely nerf and buff stuffs.

[jagged flume]

thats good to hear

[soft crane]

Try doing Black Tusk retaliations.

[jagged flume]

When did they announce that, are there some patchnotes or info that I can read through?

[soft crane]

Was confirmed in Div 2 anniversary stream iirc.

[smoky latch]

This is incorrect

[soft crane]

no?

[smoky latch]

Careful how you word things

This can mean a lot

[soft crane]

oh so just recalibration

[mild dawn]

or equivalent is the big part

[soft crane]

Alright my bad.

[urban latch]

We really just don't know, and nothing is really confirmed. Things will very likely change, but we don't know how.

[sage prawn]

Hunter's Fury shotgun build with Firewall Ballistic Shield - Any recommendations on Exotic slots?

[urban latch]

Memento

[sullen night]

Tinkerer for 2 weapon talents? Memento if solo I guess

[minor grove]

That photo is so hard to see 🙁

[sage prawn]

Thanks guys 🙂

[sullen night]

I tend to use Memento on solo and especially close range builds all the time, I'm just a bit bored of it 😬

[smoky latch]

Wdym "hard to see"?

[sage prawn]

and i actually have a momento so 😄 thats what im throwing on

[smoky latch]

You can't use last year's April Fool's items tho :p

[sullen night]

Did they ever do a whole april fool's gearset? Seems like "Refractor" would be a candidate

[minor grove]

The photo is blurry

[smoky latch]

Nah they did not repeat it, sadly. I wanted to have a Momento and a Regular

[smoky latch]

Use a different browser or check your current browser's settings

[minor grove]

Same on other browsers

[smoky latch]

Then you are doing sth wrong

[minor grove]

Thanks man idk lol 🤣🤣🤣

Not on pc on mobile so may be the issue

[smoky latch]

Possibly

[lament reef]

Use the google docs app, not a briwser

[young flower]

How tanky is the decoy on a red striker build I’m debating between using that or the banshee pulse

[toxic frigate]

That's enough to take out the high threat target

They mostly not hitting the base of the decoy

[inland hound]

I'll take banshee pulse before decoy any day

[flint arch]

enemies don't typically shoot the decoy itself

they just shoot the hologram

[young flower]

What the blazes

Oh

[toxic frigate]

Yeah the most thing that will hit it usually unsuspecting drones and Airburstere

[flint arch]

and the happy outcast rusher

[young flower]

I’m assuming since it’s a hologram it doesn’t have health right

[toxic frigate]

Yeah, only the base have HP

[flint arch]

also why choose, why not use both banshee and decoy

[toxic frigate]

^

[inland hound]

👁️ 👄 👁️

[toxic frigate]

Just don't die tbh

[young flower]

Because I’m a scrub crutching on revive hive

[flint arch]

understandable

[young flower]

My build isn’t complete I only just managed to get 4 piece striker

[misty crane]

Any suggestions for something based on damage and survivability? I've been gone from this game for like 5 years and I'm a little outdated with most of what is in the game rn

[flint arch]

I personally would pick decoy, but it's personal preference really

[young flower]

So I don’t do enough damage to reliably kill hunters in countdown and I die in 2 shots to everything

[toxic frigate]

You don't tank the hunter

[young flower]

Missing the named armor, exotic gloves, and weapons

[toxic frigate]

That's like most of the game content of div 2 anyway

Just don't get hit™

[young flower]

I’m not trying to but if I so much as dare to step out of cover I get popped in a blink

[flint arch]

level 40 starter guide

[toxic frigate]

That's like most of the time, heck I even learning to position myself after doing PVGC Legendary run

[flint arch]

playing 6 reds means you need to learn how to position, corner peek and such, it's a skill you need to learn

[young flower]

Damn

[toxic frigate]

You should try PVGC on Challenging really, so you can learn slowly

[young flower]

I sorta duck behind cover and pray the bullets don’t hit me while I’m shooting

What is pvgc

[toxic frigate]

The Sacrifice named Chest

[flint arch]

hunters in countdown are like the first real test for most new players imo once you get to master and legendary all enemies can do that to you

[young flower]

I’m looking for the equalizer

[cerulean smelt]

V is the named gift backpack. Short for perfect glass cannon and vigilence

[flint arch]

Perfect Glass Cannon and Perfect Vigilance (from The Sacrifice chest and The Gift backpack)

[toxic frigate]

The wombo combo really

[flint arch]

nobody can take away my PVGC Striker

[toxic frigate]

Both have same brand is like strawberry on top

[cerulean smelt]

I prefer it the og high-end build before strikers

[toxic frigate]

I mean Im still using it with Striker and such really

[misty crane]

So where are the equalizer chest and overdogs obtainable? Are they both open world loot?

[flint arch]

yes, do countdown, the guide mentions it

[toxic frigate]

You can find equalizer in Countdown by doing UA focused

Not sure bout Overdogs

Wasn't it from hyenas?

[young flower]

I do targeted loot UA for equalizer and buy exotic caches with requisition slips

[cerulean smelt]

The high-end I speak of is the 3rd Providence, fox's knees, contractors gloves, mask used to hallowman but now you can slot in the 1 grupo

[young flower]

Praying one of these caches gives me overdogs I’m vaguely certain this is not the best way to farm exotics

[flint arch]

Overdogs is in the general loot pool but the retal blueprint comes from hyena retal completion

Retal is more consistent if you're an unlucky bastard like me

[young flower]

So beating a hyena retaliation gives me the ability to just straight up craft overdogs?

[cerulean smelt]

A chance yes

[toxic frigate]

So in Retaliation there's kill squad, wiping them off had chance to give you it's blueprint

[cerulean smelt]

Hyena has quite a bit blueprint pool

[lament reef]

The retaliation recipes are kind of annoying, but yeah

[young flower]

How hard is retaliation if I’m still getting mollywhooped in challenging countdown
Can I get carried through it

[onyx sage]

probably the single most important tip: use tall cover

[flint arch]

no overdogs comes from retal completion, not kill squads

[toxic frigate]

You can do it in challenging diff

[misty crane]

I have the season pass so hopefully I get those gloves in one of the caches but I'll probably just try to grind for them at the same time

[toxic frigate]

That's even better

[young flower]

What’s the difference between tall and short cover
I’m guessing you expose less of your body when peeking from the side of tall cover compared to peeking over the top of short cover?

[onyx sage]

yes

[young flower]

I’ll give it a shot thanks for the tip

[cerulean smelt]

Overdose? Quite unlikely. Don't recall any exotic caches

[onyx sage]

with practice you can shoot with tall cover without exposing yourself

[flint arch]

kill squads on Heroic have a 95% of dropping a BP, completion is 50%

[young flower]

What’s the method for that

[flint arch]

I got overdogs from an exo cache recently

[onyx sage]

just position left or right until you can shoot them but not further than that

[young flower]

95%? Yo who tryna boost me through a heroic hyena retal

[flint arch]

kill squad and completion have a different blueprint pool

[cerulean smelt]

But don't the kill squads and completion have different blueprint pools?

[young flower]

Confound it all

[onyx sage]

you also have to hug/attach to the cover

[young flower]

Aw man

[toxic frigate]

Playing with shoulder is bit annoying at first yeah

[young flower]

Idk if the wiki is correct on this but a single person dying ends the entire retaliation?

[cerulean smelt]

They ever fix the overlister reconfiguration blueprint?

[toxic frigate]

Nope you have one more try depends on your timer

[flint arch]

overlisters are no more

[onyx sage]

nope

during defense phases of control points, you get no respawn. if everyone in your party dies that's a wipe

[flint arch]

if you wipe during retake that's it
if you die you lose time

[young flower]

Do I ask in lfg raid or normal lfg for retaliations

[toxic frigate]

Normal one

[cerulean smelt]

I know

[young flower]

Everyone in my party? What happens if one player permanently dies during the defense phase but the rest survive do they just get put into spectator mode or something

[onyx sage]

dying also takes off a significant chunk off time remaining so if you die too many times it's also a wipe from time over

[onyx sage]

yeah, as long as at least 1 person lives, and nothing's stopping that person from reviving the rest

[flint arch]

no you just get put in a normal unconscious state when you "die"

[onyx sage]

it's just like a heroic mission

[young flower]

Oh so when downed in retail enemies can’t shoot you?

[toxic frigate]

You simply sleep on floor and that's it until your team revive you

[flint arch]

if you ever died in the game before the exact same happens in retal

[flint arch]

average retal session with ru be like

[young flower]

Idk if I understand it correctly but when I lose all my hp I enter a downed bleed out state but enemies can still shoot me and once that happens it looks like I’m just permadead and have to respawn

[flint arch]

you don't permanently die unless the game says "YOU ARE DEAD" in caps

[analog mural]

i think im in love with the beacon for group play especially countdown

pseudo healer while im on strikers

[flint arch]

if you're unconscious you can still be revived

[young flower]

So that moment when I’m sprawled out ragdolled with a prompt to respawn
I can still be revived by a teammate/revive hive?

[flint arch]

yes

[young flower]

Good info thanks a bunch

[flint arch]

it will take longer to revive manually but you can still get up

[young flower]

So it’s just to stop me from crawling to my team in cover

[flint arch]

ye

[young flower]

Got it thanks

[grim bluff]

When you're in a team you don't go down straight away and get that respawn, you go into a downed state with a timer, you can crawl to cover, give up or stem the bleeding which stops you from moving but extends the timer. If you get revived, you're brought back 'weakened' and if you go down AGAIN while weakened then you get the 'Press F to respawn' which prompts a longer revive from your team mate

Shoutout to Birdie's for the quick revive though

[pine oracle]

hey guys quick question, i cant find in any build what modifier i should set up. is there a generell best setup for dps ? for example the one which gives you 135% headshot damage

[smoky latch]

There is no "best". It's always situational and subject to personal preference/play style

[grim bluff]

https://billothewild.github.io/ play around with this, it'll give you 'optimal' combos

[young flower]

Got it thanks for elaborating
Does the weakened state come with a status timer I can check or do I just have to know

[smoky latch]

60s timer

If you get picked up by someone using Birdie's it's 30s

[grim bluff]

Yeah you get a little icon that'll tick down, but they unhelpfully don't have a number on lol

[young flower]

Damn

[grim bluff]

Either way just don't die while you have it

[young flower]

Is the revive hive unable to self revive you when you’re unconscious or is it just that you can’t automatically deploy it since your character is knocked tf out

[grim bluff]

Revive hive uses automatically first time you go down

[flint arch]

just make sure everyone has birdies and give up immediately when you're downed

wait that defeats the purpose

[grim bluff]

Anyway if you're stressing about doing retaliations on heroic, the drop rate for stuff isn't much lower on challenging

[jagged flume]

On a lexington, should I go for killer/flatline or strained for groups? Or really any other talents?

[flint arch]

killer solo, measured/back and forth for groups

[jagged flume]

what do you mean by back and forth?

[flint arch]

it's a talent

[smoky latch]

New talent this season

[jagged flume]

ah, and so strained wouldnt be recommended foir groups

[flint arch]

strained requires a larger mag to be effective

[smoky latch]

Strained is not bad but there are better alternatives

[jagged flume]

Right, just totally forgot that name haha

[smoky latch]

Took me a bit to memorize that name, too

[jagged flume]

so basically measured is the best in slot for groups? I'm running back and forth on my stack broker already instead of brazen!

[smoky latch]

Yeah it's pretty good for group play because it has no condition to get activated (unlike Killer for instance) and has good damage values

[jagged flume]

right, yeah thats why I thouught that killer wouuld prob br suboptimal for group play

[rain fox]

I've found out how you can have almost unlimited uptime on your tipping scales build and unlimited ammo

[pine oracle]

the link does not work

[smoky latch]

OD provides basically unlimited ammo

Not sure what you mean

[rain fox]

If running tipping scales put steady handed on your lmg let's say you have a gr9 if you hit 100 shots it refills the of ammo without getting a kill

[grim bluff]

Oh I'm sorry I cut part of it off by mistake https://billothewild.github.io/TheDivision/

[rain fox]

Place on a tinker mask and put stabilise then measured and once you hit 100 shots you get your top half of measured back it's wild

[toxic frigate]

Truly a sleeper exotic

Armor Regen on that really doesn't feel like 2%

[flint arch]

it's either broken or the talent description is wrong. the regen is more like 15-16%

it's basically off by 750-800%

[toxic frigate]

Yep r

[misty walrus]

This works insanely well in tidal basin final session

[lament reef]

I’m dizzy

[smoky latch]

Stop sniffing glue

[alpine wigeon]

Is this the best Striker's build?

• 4pcs Striker's Battlegear
• Equalizer
• Overdogs

[smoky latch]

Considered the best general Striker's build, up to heroic difficulty

[shut kindle]

Opinions?

[smoky latch]

I got two of those too, scrapped them

[ivory abyss]

gun blows lol

[shut kindle]

Idk, it's cool to have, but yeah the gun itself is bad

[solar sable]

Insanely well for being a dead weight? Yeah, I believe it

[strong cave]

Why obliterate lol. Ad rush + intimidate would give more damage. I genuinely hope this wasn't used in a group setting either

Also why 3 golan? In this regard you could literally take 3 gila since I see you using the chill out mask and get more Regen. Considering you're not bothering with hunter killer chest, you may as well go Gila

[misty walrus]

It was supposed to be in a group with rookies

[strong cave]

Very selfish tank build

I wouldn't recommend that setup even if carrying newbs

[ivory abyss]

I feel like prototype gear upgrades are heavily weighted towards boosting sub stats lol

[rain fox]

Apparently intimidate gives amp damage but it doesn't say it on screen is that true

[misty walrus]

Any suggestion? I remember there is a chest or bp give ur teammate bonus armour but dont know the name

[strong cave]

This statement is true. The talent for intimidate is wrong and does give amp

[rain fox]

Because if so just the none named version would give 36% amp

[strong cave]

You'll want to look into Pointman, has Perfect Vanguard as a talent. I can give you a template if you want something actually worth running in groups

[solar sable]

Galvanize and Vanguard are the perfect combo for bonus armor imho

[strong cave]

Post the template for me if you can. I'm busy serving customers 🙏

[solar sable]

certified support tank build

[strong cave]

Worth noting that you'll want Lud instead of that secondary

[rain fox]

I found out the other day that the blues screen works with galvanise I use and my team striker armour

[strong cave]

It can but too inconsistent. You're better off using Scorpio 4th + 6th shot

[misty walrus]

How many % pfe is it?

[strong cave]

None. Don't need PFE. PFE is a crutch

[rain fox]

Why 10 or 20 shots I think then you throw out a skill

And it gives galvanised yes slower than scorp but still decent

[strong cave]

Because if you need to proc by throwing skills, that's not good synergy. Plus if you want the talent to proc just get kills with people marked

Your crowd control would be better off if you used shield + Banshee like the build posted above uses. You have armor, get in their faces with Scorpio and shield. Also its own form of crowd control

Enemies are more worried about big scary guy with shield compared to the guy in the back critting for 1.5m pixel peeking

[rain fox]

Yes I understand it's second best option then and nice if your fed up of using scorp and want a crowd control team armour build

[solar sable]

I think you can be a better tank by running Survivalist with this

[strong cave]

At the cost of using up all of your ammo and removing an on-demand bonus armor proc

Gunner is keeping that ammo topped off

[solar sable]

but sir, my DPS players should be running Gunner already

[strong cave]

should be. You could swap to survivalist. Question is, what you gonna use for that second skill? Foam could work. But only 2 shots

Not very efficient. Gunner in this case would work better

[solar sable]

I can tell when someone knows ball, I clearly am not that someone

slash s

[strong cave]

Well, when making the build, I did consider survivalist. Found out it synergized LESS when not taking gunner

[rain fox]

Gunner is the best it offers to many bonuses to pass up

5% rof on kill 10%armour on kill 10% weapon handling when standing still and foam grenades it's op

[strong cave]

Yup those are also the reasons too

With it being all crit too, you CAN manage to get enough damage to kill elites and named enemies

Regen passively you're already getting like 56k. Slapping expertise on the build only makes it hit harder and do more for the team. It's a very solid support tank

[flint arch]

yes bonus armor give me more bonus armor 100% vigilance uptime yummy

[toxic frigate]

I aspire to be like that

Think my Gear still need some works

[flint arch]

what are you referring to

[toxic frigate]

Nah such is life of no Reviver hive

Anyway I think my Gear still need some tweaking due to lack of damage from Lex + Measured

I think normally did like 600ish from 0

[flint arch]

revive hive disgusts me, only time I accept it is when im playing with a specific person

[toxic frigate]

Most of time it went capped but stuck around 1.1M?

[solar sable]

I wonder!

[flint arch]

he's a bit mute you might say

[solar sable]

is it INF?

[flint arch]

no lol

[toxic frigate]

Wait what % your chd at again on that vid

[flint arch]

I'm not the one using the hive

I don't remember

[solar sable]

def not dien

[strong cave]

Idk why the other two didn't push top like that for the spawn camp

I had the perfect build for it

[flint arch]

do you not remember the escalation run that day

[strong cave]

Bro has dementia. His name is not Doomz, it's Dementiaz

[flint arch]

nvm

[flint arch]

no, his name is

[toxic frigate]

Oo 150%

Yeah I guess it's my optimization issue

[flint arch]

no the secondary is a SMG so it's really skewed

SMG comes with CHC as 2nd attribute

it's enough to cause me to overcap even when I replace all of my CHC mods on the SMG with CHD

[toxic frigate]

I see

[flint arch]

the spawncamp was also 300% easier thanks to assault

[strong cave]

Chicka chicka slim shady

[solar sable]

We don't talk about it... even I died 🤣

[solar sable]

this guy

[sullen veldt]

When did skills like Gila Guard actually become useless? With 1.8 million Armor, I get hit faster than I can reload.

[solar sable]

since always, we are bullet sponges regardless of how many blue cores we use

[next dawn]

with foundry we are even more tanky

[alpine wigeon]

Which ACS-12 is the best for Striker's stacks?

[subtle bluff]

tanky or able to eat a few more bullets?

[subtle bluff]

Stack Broker w/Back n Forth

[next dawn]

tanky tanky

[toxic frigate]

So any Shotgun with Back n Forth worth for secondary now?

How much damage difference is it compared to Brazen?

[analog mural]

back n forth provides a small dmg boost to ur primary tho

[toxic frigate]

Fr?

[alpine wigeon]

So basically you just want the highest RoF possible?

[solar sable]

I mean yeah but don't worry about stacking if you're not using Strikers chest

[subtle bluff]

ACS12 isn't for dmg it's for stacks.
But really like mentioned above.

Unless you know it's to safe there no good reason to go risk using an ACS12 to stack up.

[smoky latch]

We're squishy, the NPCs are bullet sponges 😄

Lol the image was an accident but fits maybe

[solar sable]

lmao

[smoky latch]

Mobile keyboard stuff

[alpine wigeon]

I'm just trying to figure out what the best secondary is for a Striker's build.

[solar sable]

smg-9 w/Unwavering or Measured

[next dawn]

there is a deeper meaning in this sloth drinking coffee

[toxic frigate]

So basically it just to prime the talent then go back to your main weapon?

[lament reef]

back and forth is also pretty good on the secondary weapon

but yeah it’s there for buffing your primary

[subtle bluff]

add on back n forth

[smoky latch]

Just a really funny coincidence

[onyx sage]

<--------------- back and forth salesman

[toxic frigate]

That's pretty neat

[subtle bluff]

Avg > Dien > Avg

[lament reef]

i can’t believe they’ve done it: for the first time, i actually care about weapon swapping

[smoky latch]

I've gotta get used to it lol

Always forgetting

[toxic frigate]

Wait if so, you using tinker with a secondary Back N forth, it will prime as primary buff for both weapon?

[subtle bluff]

ALSO YOU!
Why did you start this bandwagon....

[lament reef]

you cannot tinker, the mask specifically excludes swapping perks

[toxic frigate]

Fuc

Man that's disappointing ngl lmao

Anyway that's a good knowledge addition

[lament reef]

also tinkerer currently does not work on prototypes

[toxic frigate]

Yeah I can see why

[smoky latch]

If that's intended they need to change the tool tip 🫠

[onyx sage]

blame devs for making a weapon talent competitive with measured

don't shoot the messenger sir

[lament reef]

i can’t imagine it’s intended, i think it’s just a side effect of how they make tinkerer exclude exotics

[noble pelican]

It also works with non-"Perfect" perks on named weapons iirc.
The description is just wacky lol

[toxic frigate]

Wait Lexington is working then?

[smoky latch]

That was only during the PTS

[subtle bluff]

You start the bandwagon for... hey it's a chow.....

[next dawn]

no

[toxic frigate]

Some hope killer 😔

[noble pelican]

Thanks for the correction, that explains the confusion when someone else was fairly sure it does just earlier today..

[smoky latch]

Why you so crazy about the Tinkerer?

[toxic frigate]

I just like it?

[smoky latch]

Why?

[toxic frigate]

Why not?

[smoky latch]

Tell us, why?

[next dawn]

alpha bridge is meh

[noble pelican]

So this is incorrect then? #td2-build-advice message

[hazy steeple]

Ain't nothing but a heartaaaaaaaache

[noble pelican]

Because I've seen that being noted multiple times now lol

[smoky latch]

I'm just curious about their reason

[toxic frigate]

Not a very big reason

[lament reef]

it’s pretty good to be able to use two perks at once, weapon perks are extremely strong

[toxic frigate]

Man fond of Brazen + Pummel for a while back

[smoky latch]

I'm not aware. But the mask has been attempted to get fixed a dozen times or so, something always bugs out

[subtle bluff]

HB tinkerer those 2 go.

[lament reef]

tinkerer had its time in the sun before it got mogged by overdogs

ah well, at least OD still uses it

[next dawn]

first line is correct second line is hella wrong

[toxic frigate]

On a neat part I was using them in HB and HF as well

Same weapon just different gear

I also using Headhunter for HF with that setup as well

[smoky latch]

Overdogs variant is stronger tho

[toxic frigate]

I just don't want to think and just kill what in front of me

I tend to overthink when using Overdogs, probably one of reason I don't really fond of that gear

[smoky latch]

It takes a bit longer to get HH started with Tinkerer variant. Once it's up it doesn't matter

But if you lose it and have to stack again it might cause struggle

Situational

[next dawn]

lol

[toxic frigate]

Truly suboptimal

[smoky latch]

What was that?

A 4x4 pixel gif of a cat? 😄

[toxic frigate]

Yea

[smoky latch]

Couldn't recognize clearly, so tiny

[toxic frigate]

It was eating a watermelon

[smoky latch]

My cat would do that too

[next dawn]

hmmm

stuff

[manic bough]

yo chow! one of the biggest german content creators posted a video saying "90% of players use that build for escalation" - take a look

[next dawn]

huh fox's and hollow man

[quartz ermine]

true

[manic bough]

not quite the same but close

[quartz ermine]

I have done tier 10 multiple times with this build and is performing well. Huntsman and Sleipnir for the win. I don't know where he got that 90% from.

[alpine wigeon]

Are there any ways I can improve this build?

[smoky latch]

Who is "one of the biggest German content creators"? I'm out of touch

[lone glacier]

Same, but I've seen mostly Hollow Man + Ceska Gloves

[smoky latch]

Same

Or Contractor's with Česká

[lone glacier]

Or that, yeah

[manic bough]

charles

[smoky latch]

Idk who that is

[lone glacier]

Shit I deconstructed my Wicked Ceska backpack.. ohwell time to farm one again

No OD lazyness for me today

[smoky latch]

Just another clickbait YouTuber

[lone glacier]

shocker

[sinful yarrow]

Heyo! Question abt CHC, I currently have it capped, but say I use Coyote Mask, does the bonus CHC from the mask actually raise CHC or is the absolute cap 60%?

[smoky latch]

This build was hyped by Toastey originally, and it's valid. Fox's not a good choice but ppl like this change one thing and claim they reinvented the wheel. Even when subpar. Not seen a single player running it with Fox's

[quartz ermine]

no, the cap is 60%

[lone glacier]

Hollow Man Turmoil is gonna be the next "meta build"

[smoky latch]

I bet there's ppl doing that

[lone glacier]

Never doubt the people and their.. "builds"

[urban latch]

It is for a reason in escalation when prototyped

[lone glacier]

Damn it Raucey I was memeing all the clickbait YTers..

[urban latch]

Yeah but they are right on hollowman lol

Toasty isn't a click bait guy lol

[smoky latch]

He and Broken know what they're doing, in terms of German streamers

[lone glacier]

Oh I know. Was the combo of Hollowman + Turmoil

I use the same setup Toastey does with Hollowman + Ceska gloves

[wanton hornet]

Am I looking at this correctly? There's no reason you would use the Core Strength Backpack when you could use Memento or Ninjabike instead? Except if you are already using another exotic.

[rain fox]

Yes bag is useless moment or ninja better option

[shut kindle]

OML YES!!!

[rain fox]

Nice I'm rolling mine shortly I'll only get weapon damage same as usual

[lone glacier]

NBB is a trap. Don't use it

[solar sable]

wait is that a unicorn

[shut kindle]

it has no crit but its still insane

[rain fox]

No it's not ill show you a video explaining how it's not

With core strength it benefits from ninja one of the only build that does

[lone glacier]

You don't have to show a video explaining. Ninjabike Messenger Bag is a trap and should not be used

[rain fox]

Every other build yes terrible

[solar sable]

CS should only be used in PvP, it is not that great outside of it

[rain fox]

Unless you want certain combos your only losing 25% weapon damage at best and a set piece but you gain armour and skill cores plus many other combos you could never use unless you had ninja on

[smoky latch]

While CS may be fun to play it's not very strong and will reach its limits fast in PvE

[rain fox]

No damage wise it's not that good

[smoky latch]

It's nice to see hybrids getting some love but once again it's getting hyped by the wrong people for the wrong reasons

[silent storm]

Ok I am enjoying The Archivist now. With the scope and doing The Capitol I can see how this gun works and it's pretty decent.

[rain fox]

If you use hollow man and Picaro you get 10 % weapon damage from each piece so technically you can get more damage if you ran all red with ninja

[silent storm]

The Hollow Man is nice for Escalation for the Health DMG

[rain fox]

So 50% weapon damage from a 2 piece

Plus 14% health damage

[silent storm]

Do Exodus Gloves always regen your health when the smoke pops? Never used them before and didn't understand what was happening is it like leaving combat for a few seconds?

[rain fox]

It didn't with me yesterday on hardcore maybe different for hardcore

Do you use the chameleon with exodus

[grim bluff]

Yah, though it's iffy sometimes it'll do your whole bar sometimes just a chunk

[smoky latch]

Yes, that's exactly what they do (armor, health)

[rain fox]

Sorry yes they do I thought you said armour my bad

[grim bluff]

They regen your armour too

[patent fossil]

Your can guarantee you get a full regen if you time a weapon swap just right when it procs, apparently

[rain fox]

All the time or no because I got no armour when it procced yesterday

I died on hardcore because of it

[silent storm]

Yeah I was getting almost fully regened when the smoke popped and didn't understand what was happening

[grim bluff]

If you're still shooting at stuff when it triggers then it can sometimes not dip you out of combat and thus not regen your armour

[rain fox]

OK maybe hardcore mode was messing with me lol

[silent storm]

That's cool, but you can tell that OverDogs aren't equipped

[rain fox]

Ye wouldn't replace the overdogs for them unless you like survivability but that's what the hive is for

[silent storm]

And I have so many Exotics to level... What are some of the best ones to make this leveling process less torturous?

[rain fox]

Guns or armour

[silent storm]

Armor

[rain fox]

Damage or for survival

[silent storm]

I just need to level them for some ExpLvs

[rain fox]

Oh ok

Donate printer filliment or equip them and gain xp

Countdown my favourite you get xp plenty of loot and countdown points to buy all your material crates and exotic weapons

Or retaliation

[flint arch]

sir

[onyx sage]

sir

[lament reef]

you just missed a 3x proficiency event

sorry to say

[silent storm]

I didn't miss it I just didn't do the exotics

[flint arch]

im committed now sir

[lament reef]

locked in

[solar sable]

deconstruct.

[silent storm]

Not a fan of Back and Forth

[rain fox]

If your not expertise 30 keep it just for the 30% extra damage

[silent storm]

I feel like they messed it up by not having Robin last for 10 seconds

[flint arch]

why sir

[solar sable]

I envy you for having useful proto gear. /j

[flint arch]

but sir

oh wait you're not exp 30 yet

[solar sable]

and never will probably

[lone glacier]

true pvgc enjoyers only use police m4, not the overrated lexington

[silent storm]

No they use Pyromaniac

[smoky latch]

Nobody uses Pyromaniac

[ivory abyss]

Back and forth is pretty good on your 2ndary weapon for strikers, I put it on my stack broker

[hexed steppe]

Worst weapon ever

[shut kindle]

So for prototype I'm running strikers, contractors and grupo holster, with mk46 frenzy. Does anyone have any better suggestions?

59.5% crit chance

[lone glacier]

Hollowman Mask + Ceska gloves also works

[shut kindle]

Idk with striker chest idk if I need the health damage, tanks die quicker than most enemies anyway

Ceska gloves are about the same as grupo, and since I'm running the mk46 I feel contractors are better

[alpine wigeon]

Which attributes are best for each of these weapons for a Future Initiative build?

[lone glacier]

Thats what most people run in high tier Escalations with a LMG

[shut kindle]

Idk if it's just cause its easier to get it

[young flower]

should I replace my police m4 with pestilence for red striker

[shut kindle]

Accuracy is a terrible roll

[lone glacier]

Hollowman just works because Escalation is basically Heroic with increased health etc.

[young flower]

I'm in combat rn so I can't check if I can tinker exotics but if I can I'm going to replace it with a max chc

[shut kindle]

You can't tinker exotics, only reroll

[uncut yarrow]

what sorta builds are recommended for Chatterbox? i just got it yesterday, seems fun. seems to slot in my Tipping Scales build pretty easily

[young flower]

wallahi

[shut kindle]

Chatterbox isn't good

[young flower]

how do I reroll them

[shut kindle]

It's fun to use on easier content because you get the mag full again, but on higher content it's ass

[shut kindle]

Lady in white house in the door to the left near crafting bench

[tulip charm]

Hunters

[clever merlin]

It's great with hunters fury

[uncut yarrow]

there was another gun i was gonna do with Hunters Fury i dont remember... one sec I'll look at it

hunters fury looked fun from what i remember

[ivory abyss]

now that I think about it there has to be some merit to contractor gloves when using an LMG vs hollow man right the dps difference cannot be that large, yaahl doesnt even give usable brand bonus lol the gloves do

damage to health is just as situational as damage to armor

[clever merlin]

Damage to health is cause robots and chungas don't have armor

[uncut yarrow]

does the armor on like all enemies count as the armor in DTA? like the white bars? i figure it counts on like shield guys and chungas and such but what about normal guys

[clever merlin]

One of the reasons why ARs are really good too

[clever merlin]

No

Armor is the thick bar on enemies

Health is the thin bar

[ivory abyss]

yeah but those enemies still get melted with MK46

[uncut yarrow]

so then what is the armor that chungas wear?

[ivory abyss]

and then you get 10% lmg damage which is active all the time from the brand sert

[clever merlin]

They have armor plates but dta doesn't affect those iirc

[uncut yarrow]

thats odd but alright lol

makes just about as much sense as half the terms in this game anyways lmao

[ivory abyss]

Theres just something about a build where every aspect of it is useful

[uncut yarrow]

i would hope just about all builds should have every aspect be useful to some extent

some being a bit more interesting, rather than all dmg maybe some cool CC effects or bleeds or whatever

[clever merlin]

Nope. Just impossible in this kind of game

Skill builds are severely behind in dps

[flint arch]

armor plates are weirdly affected by dth

[lament reef]

hilariously, they tripled down on build non-variety by releasing escalation

[ivory abyss]

well i mean like the brand bonus from yahll is gonna be like nothing lol unless you are stacking it with other haz pro

[clever merlin]

Tbf escalation is supposed to be its own thing but yeah they just pigeonholed themselves to all reds

Maybe one day there's gonna be a buff on enemies with how many red cores you have lol

[wary crypt]

which one yay or nay ? Invincible hand or lexington ? and why?

[clever merlin]

anyone here use the slower rpm smgs?

[flint arch]

not even lexington, even a police m4 will beat invisible hand

[summer totem]

Any chance yall got a 1 shot pistol build 👉👈

[solar sable]

One shot Pistol Builds

[smoky latch]

Pls edit you msg to
"One shot pistol builds" so you can find it easier using the discord search function

Ty 🫶

[shy willow]

Apparently imminence is supposed to be good as well but I don't see it often

Takes away a lot of options

[smoky latch]

It's good tho

[smoky latch]

I use it over this one

[gentle lichen]

i mean just swap chainkiller and zwia for imminence and there you go

[shy willow]

Muh ramp up 😔

[solar sable]

just made a quick thingy

[surreal nebula]

i need a good armor high damage build for hi escalation

[solar sable]

Armor is useless in Escalation

[shy willow]

Tank builds surprisingly enough are really useful for rogues, everywhere else armour is pointless

[summer totem]

Which one's the closest to an actual pistol build, like with pistol stat bonuses unless there's none

[split belfry]

hi guys is there any new meta - i haven't played in years?

[surreal nebula]

then what build do i need

[shy willow]

Striker or tipping scales

[shy willow]

Check the pinned spreadsheet for recommended builds

[split belfry]

im sorry i need to be more specific i basically want to know is there any build that outputs dps more than strikers?

[shy willow]

Depends on context

Negotiators for instance has always beaten strikers at multi target dps

[solar sable]

all three serve the same purpose but for different situations

[split belfry]

4 negotiators with what other 2 pieces. I quit the game after getting all commedations at the time 2 or 3 years ago around 7k something and quit

[solar sable]

the second build is an all rounder but it requires prestacking HH with White Death Streamline

[shy willow]

There's a guide for it in the aforementioned spreadsheet that will explain it better than me

[split belfry]

ok thanks man

[ebon lantern]

Hey all on Chatterbox as a 3rd stat you wanto Damage to Targets outside of cover I imagine?

[smoky latch]

Hi, yes

[ebon lantern]

Ty\

[hollow pivot]

can someone share healer build

[smoky latch]

Check the first pinned message in this channel. It has a link to a spreadsheet with several build suggestions

[solar token]

random question, i've been running red dps build for as long as i can remember and i thought i always had crit chance maxed, but today i checked and it's at 48%. did something get nerfed at some point?

i'm running 3pc providence, foxes, coyote, 1pc fenris. keener's watch maxed out

[soft crane]

Seems like an old build, probably because of seasonal modifiers.

[solar token]

is there an updated red dps build? it looks like The Spreadsheet still says the same

all the minor attributes are maxed as well

[soft crane]

The current meta red DPS build is Striker. There are other options like Ongoing Directive, and Tipping Scale.

[wary crypt]

way whaaaa why not though ?

[subtle bluff]

this is for BH but you can move the Crit around for others

[wary crypt]

The lexington I thought it hits harder ? similar to st elmo ?

[subtle bluff]

have you tried shooting the aug?

[flint arch]

lex will hit harder because damage talent.
st elmos will not hit like lex because no damage talent

also aug sucks

[subtle bluff]

if there was a target out past 50m Lex and Elmo make it so much easier to hit. Rarely thing to happen.

[soft crane]

Is there a DPS build that revolves around Providence, Ceska, and Grupo?

[smoky latch]

If you use Ceska you usally don't need Providence or vice versa

[subtle bluff]

That was the old version of this build

But QoL UA brough was worth the change

[soft crane]

So what kind of build we're talking?

Without any gearset.

[smoky latch]

For Bighorn?

[subtle bluff]

It's on my YT for BH run

[smoky latch]

Look up "bighorn pve" and filter for images, in this channel

[subtle bluff]

can you copy/paste for me quickly

or someone

[smoky latch]

They just need to look it up, been pasted 2134289347 times

[clever merlin]

this a variation of the weapon swap build

like this more since HF has massive amp and a CC since youre going to be playing in range all the time

[subtle bluff]

I haven't really shown the old build

[smoky latch]

Was talking about this one

[subtle bluff]

HF Chest is just a bad choice

[soft crane]

Oh thank you

[subtle bluff]

THe older one he' asking for I just posted this.

WAITT where did the one I post go

[smoky latch]

You mean the one with Eagle's Grasp?

You did not post anything, sry

[serene hare]

Ok, so apparently the Equalizer is worse than the Cezka chestpiece with normal Obliterate for a Hunter's Fury build.

[solar token]

i figured it out. i swapped from elmos to bighorn a while ago

[subtle bluff]

Bighorn PvE

[serene hare]

The 5% RPM bonus and the +4 stacks doesn't make up for the crit damage for the build.

[subtle bluff]

Maybe I'm crazy I thought this paste earlier

[smoky latch]

Not that I can see, sry 😄

Bighorn PvE - for future reference

[subtle bluff]

I LOVE the new copy build feature

[soft crane]

err is it alright if Sacrifice changed to Equalizer?

[smoky latch]

Works, yeah

[soft crane]

Never liked Glass cannon tbh

[subtle bluff]

It's soo good on this build

[smoky latch]

I agree

[subtle bluff]

Here's the thought about why HE DPS builds exists.

they have a front DPS without having a stacks, kinda like how OD works, but without the limitation of OD bolts

this version of the build with BH you can stack with head shots, which is good in general, but not needed helps you to do a lot more damage/

[smoky latch]

This build also works nicely with Strega

[clever merlin]

it is but imo versatile is too good to give up

centurion is also a must

[soft crane]

you think Strega is an underrated exotic? talent doesnt seem too bad

[smoky latch]

With the right build it's really nice. Just stack the talent right and you'll have an easy time

I wouldn't recommend running it for any activity but for OW and most heroic content it's a fun build that slaps

[soft crane]

Yea Im just gonna replace Sacrifice with Equalizer, Bighorn gives weapon damage.

[smoky latch]

Sure, works

Then use GS and Ceska instead

[subtle bluff]

at that rate just go Striker then.

[smoky latch]

Cuz stacks

But Obliterate fills up faster, so it's OK

[soft crane]

Only need 20 crit hits, its not much.

Now where did I put my Bighorn and Strega, could've sworn they've got decent rolls.

Eh good enough for me.

[smoky latch]

If you don't use them often it's fine

Currently everyone's struggling with exo components for prototype anyway 🥵

If that doesn't change within this season I'll be gone. Ridiculous waste of time

Especially since you cannot recalibrate and optimize

[soft crane]

bro crashing out

[smoky latch]

I'm just valuing my time

[soft crane]

Damn it I got weapon handling for The Gift that I just received.

ba dum tss

[ebon lantern]

Anyone have some really fun Eagle Bearer builds they enjoy? Just got one and was curious

[soft crane]

Works just fine with the regular striker build.

[smoky latch]

Headshot build (rifle or pistol)

[soft crane]

Theres only 1 second difference down time between Vigilance and Perfect Vigilance lmao

Thought it would have 30% damage buff instead of 25%.

WIP and halfway done. I find it fun when you try to create a build every once in a while.

[sterile chasm]

Just curious looking at the level 40 guide, and in general why is blue least popular then red and yellow?

other then im guessing red and yellow with gearsets has ways of getting armor

[smoky latch]

It's a hoax 😬

[soft crane]

Billions must run 6 Red Cores now!!! 👈

[solar sable]

good question, I was planning on adding notes on that topic for this exact purpose

[soft crane]

What was the recommended pieces for Tipping Scale build again?

[smoky latch]

Petrov chest with GC, Equalizer or Sacrifice with Overdogs

[soft crane]

Ah got it. I forgot to fix it the last time somebody told me about it.

Done, I got all the stuffs already.

[frail trellis]

need advice: i am running tipping scale + LMG (big adj) + overdog + armor (obliterate)
ez melt everything in heroic
the problem is that i got survivability issue. (i just start so i dont have prototype gear or lv30 expertise yet; lv2 now) SHD lv 185

[soft crane]

Billions must run 6 Red Cores now!!! 👈

Git gud.

[smoky latch]

Let me get one thing straight. Nobody needs prototype gear, it's not necessary for anything aside from high tier Escalations maybe.

Just practice with an all red build. Positioning is important, preferably behind tall cover, careful peeking, using decoy or skills to distract enemies. Everyone's been there, it's really just practice

[analog mural]

use a decoy and tall covers

this seasons modifier made it exceptionally safe to go down because you would just instantly get your hive back

[frail trellis]

get hive back? can u elaborate?

[frail trellis]

i keep 1 revive hive just to be safe in case of dying in one shot. becuase i play solo

[clever merlin]

There's an active modifier that reduces your active skill cooldowns by a certain %

[clever merlin]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQTzdiXCf2cwJQXRWLDUhzyQFT5UrtQetPkYMnQeW3cZSDgCYsqIaAij3ZqpM6k37VhMibMJzSFmDvm/pubhtml

[analog mural]

the oc is what basically give u a 15s cd on hive

[young flower]

should I continue using my police m4 on the left or reroll pestilence on the right until it has crit chance as a substat and use that

[analog mural]

what build because pesti is kinda difficult to build for

[frail trellis]

ohh i run that one yes.

[young flower]

red striker

[subtle bluff]

CoCo or TS is better than striker for pesti

[young flower]

what

[analog mural]

use police m4

[subtle bluff]

really point them to the guide is better.

[molten thorn]

Does Picaro's flag in core strength? I don't know how that set works

wow that's worded poorly, do the 3 separate cores that Picaro's gives you all get seen by core strength's buff or whatever it does

[subtle bluff]

uh?

Picaro doesn't have a red core...

[molten thorn]

so no, the weapon damage stat isn't a red core

[solar sable]

nope

[subtle bluff]

Same with the +1 Skill Teir it isn't a Core.

Kind of funny.

[alpine wigeon]

I'm tryna cook up the best build for countdown and this is what I have so far, but I was wondering what y'all think a good secondary would be.
https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EwDgtMYAxgjB1E2U1yBcBmSkb0iPCsWkuiAKwKZwKwDsAnKSa+gGz3W1702ssywZrh6CBxdMLD8xE8dCnt2YACxxYkWCGaxGeRvD2jJ8s1ijh1sVTSraw7eHxYcpMTGcW7rKiUA

[livid sorrel]

countdown doesnt really need anything special

[livid sorrel]

that's pretty much a typical striker build so acs12 for stacking

[warped crypt]

I'm currently using this shotgun build (umbra / sheriff), would switching to tinkerer provide better damage while keeping umbra? or a different set?

[lone wadi]

if you use tinkerer you cant use sheriff

[warped crypt]

yeah with other shotgun, like pummel+brazen, would umrba work good with that?

[lone wadi]

well you can but wont benefit from tinkerer

ive never used umbra with shotguns before so i dont really have a sense of how good it is or the gameplay

[warped crypt]

does tinkerer shotgun use a diffrent set? or all HE? and it is noticeably more dmg?

umbra makes running and gunning pretty comfortable, but I'm trying to get more dps

[livid sorrel]

if you want a shotgun build hunter's fury is probably the best choice

[warped crypt]

ok thanks

[toxic frigate]

ACS or M870 with the pummel and brazen works

[summer totem]

Anyone got that skill build that deals aoe skill damage?

[smoky latch]

Exuro

Mortar is what I would pick

Check the first pinned message in this channel. It links a spreadsheet with build suggestions and a small guide for mortar builds

[civic meteor]

how much does the fire rate increase when prototyping the salvo?

or max

[smoky latch]

7.5% IIRC

50% increase

[buoyant perch]

Yup, increase by 2.5% rof

[subtle bluff]

Not worse if you're gonna be using Frenzy

[civic meteor]

That’s a tad small

That’s like 25-50 more RPM

It’s not perfect but it’s mine

[soft crane]

Well you definitely need to pump your crit chance even more. I suggest you to use LMG and the sub attribute should be crit chance.

burp

[civic meteor]

I was thinking the prototype gear would give me a CHC boost once I get to it getting me to atleast 55/60

I haven’t even maxed my stuff yet

[subtle bluff]

Overdogs would do a lot better than Salvo

Cham has enough RoF and give more WD already

[subtle bluff]

Also you want more CHC get to 50

[silver coral]

any build for chameleon or is it a striker overdog build too?

[soft crane]

Yeah that.

You know Striker works the best for AR and LMG.

[subtle bluff]

I love HF on chameleon actually

[silver coral]

whats best for chameleon hs or body shot?

[silver coral]

HF?

[subtle bluff]

Hunters Fury

[soft crane]

Hunter's Fury

[subtle bluff]

Body Shot proc first.

[soft crane]

Is it true Chameleon range is the same as your average SMG?

[crystal lantern]

isnt it a ar tho?

[subtle bluff]

"AR"

[soft crane]

Classified as AR for some reason yes.

[crystal lantern]

well i guess its really just a smg with ar ammo tbh

[soft crane]

Dont know what that reason is.

[crystal lantern]

its a smg just chambered in ar ammo

[soft crane]

But having same optimal range as SMG makes it bad at longer ranges though.

[soft crane]

How bad is Chameleon damage drop off?

[subtle bluff]

Dont remember tbh

[crystal lantern]

prob not that bad sense you are like 5m from most guys

@subtle bluff core build yet?

🙂

[frozen hull]

A skill damage not listed in the stats ? I can not find it at all to see where I am

[carmine yarrow]

what's a good kneepad for backfire+core stregnth+memento?

skill tier +1 build

[analog mural]

probably a ceska or UA

backfire is an interesting choice coz most would just do 5-6 skill tier and use capacitor

[silver coral]

how do i know if i already proc Body shot buffs

nvm i found it

[cinder girder]

So quick question, for the strikers build you ideally wanna drop a piece that has at least one max roll so you can change the other stat for another max roll right?

[solar sable]

not necessarily

it'll take more time than if you had the right stats with low %

[soft crane]

Yeah

[cinder girder]

But you can only modify one stat per piece no?

[solar sable]

yes

[soft crane]

I'd say look for that has at least one max roll. Doesnt matter if its the core or the sub attribute. But the sub attribute has to be either CHC or CHD.

[cinder girder]

And gear mods can't be added to the library right?

Like normal stats can be

Also with the expertise (sorry for the excessive questions) i'm trying to "donate junk" but it doesn't seem to do anything, am i doing something wrong

[solar sable]

1. is it marked as junk? if not, check again
2. what youre trying to donate is already Proficient

[cinder girder]

Well considering i'm only Proficent with 1 backpack and 1 primary i'd assume 2 isn't the case but i have a lot of stuff marked as "junk" but when i hold X the bar fills up but nothing really happens

[smoky latch]

You won't get a confirmation for donating, it just gets taken out of your inventory

[solar sable]

ah yeah, it's what INF says

[cinder girder]

It's not getting removed which is the issue

When i go into my inventory it's all still there marked as junk 😮

[smoky latch]

I've not heard of that

[solar sable]

can u share a ss of your items?

[smoky latch]

You sure it's marked as junk?

Not marked for donation

Marked for donation is not what this means

[cinder girder]

Does the "Rank 10" mean proficent or am i being stupid?

[smoky latch]

Yes it does

[solar sable]

yes, its Proficient already

[cinder girder]

Oof, my apologies then i'm just being stupid

[solar sable]

this icon indicates that something is already Proficient

I recommend you giving a read to the Expertise category in the Lvl40 Starters Guide

[cinder girder]

I have read through it, but i'm currently running on no sleep so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to my small brain 😄 I'll give it a read when i'm fully functioning 🤣

[solar sable]

😆

[cinder girder]

One last question, if you don't mind

[solar sable]

dont be shy, ask

[cinder girder]

Is it better to farm gear mods? or buy them from vendors

If that's even a thing in div 2

[solar sable]

hmmm farm

[soft crane]

For expertise? Just farm. Save your e-credit for something else.

[cinder girder]

I just wanna min-max my build as best as possible

[soft crane]

Oh well if its for build then yeah farm for it. Non max rolled ones can be deconstructed then donated for expertise.

You get printer filament for deconstructing gear mods, which is the best material to donate for expertise proficiency.

[smoky latch]

Do not farm for specifically max-rolled mods, it'll only drain your sanity. Just play the game and they'll drop over time. You can still hardcore farm them if you really want later on when it becomes "more important"

[grizzled loom]

I’ve got 400+ hours in the game and I only have like 4 max rolled mods. And the difference between 5.5 and 6.0 crit chance is so small too

[smoky latch]

Yup

[cinder girder]

I see, Well i appreicate the help i'll be back with questions i'm sure of it

[analog mural]

the 5.9 chc mod makes me go angry but like another 0.1% chc probably changes nothing

[solar sable]

I will always remember when the crafting station was giving max stats (or 0.1% close to max) on everything you crafted

[covert merlin]

should I go for damage to target out of cover, crit dmg or crit chance on my St. Elmo's?

[solar sable]

All weapons except LMGs require DTOC, as they need CHC.

[covert merlin]

thank you

[carmine yarrow]

thanks G

[young flower]

what 3 passive modifiers should I use for a red striker

[hazy steeple]

@young flower Give Compress Offense, Convert Offense, Nullify a go, with the Utility Activie Modifier as the main.
Will get you to about 135% HSD. Tweak the order as you need it.

I run ~that with Banshee/Decoy on my Striker and have an incredible amount of uptime with the Skills.

[young flower]

wdym tweak the order

[hazy steeple]

The order of the passives matters.

[young flower]

idk how to get to 135% all I can tell is that nullify needs to come after compress and converts position doesn't seem to matter

[hazy steeple]

the 3rd is the wildcard version, to be clear

totally forgot there was more than 1.

wait, is there? you might need to get your actives ranked up first.

[young flower]

my active is lvl 5

I'm using the wildcard nullify too

[lone glacier]

All 3 active modifiers need to be leveled

[young flower]

oh alright cloud armor is only lvl 3 thanks for the info

[hazy steeple]

this is what it'll look like once you've got it right

[young flower]

got it

using red striker should I replace my police m4 on the left with the st elmo engine on the right

[lone glacier]

There is also one with slightly less headshot damage and more armor but there isnt really a point in using that..

[young flower]

idk if the shockammo is worth losing 70% crit damage from killer

[hazy steeple]

If you're running Solo, I'd go for Killer.
otherwise in a group Elmo is useful for CC.

[lone glacier]

M4 > Elmo

And try to get another M4 with Measured for group content

[young flower]

alright

[hazy steeple]

1 sec: For groups:
Measured or Back+Forth now, you can also use Strained.
lotsa choices are a good thing!

[young flower]

Conflicted between measured and strained rn

I really don't like how measured debuffs your damage but my m4 only has a 30 mag so I don't think its possible for me to hit max strained stacks

[hazy steeple]

You are using the +20 mag on any red crit dps guns, don't forget.

[young flower]

I only got the 15 mag where do you get 20

[hazy steeple]

Control Point farming, Lvl 3 or 4.

It's well worth it, you'll be using it for every single red crit gun build.

[young flower]

alright

[hazy steeple]

The tl;dr for modding in div2 for red crit dps builds is: lots of CHC, and the biggest mag you can put on there.

the loss in reload speed is 100% worth it.

[gentle lichen]

Actually use iron lung for group so no ad can stay in cover suppressed due to the sheer bullets your group might shoot at once

[cold pasture]

Does anyone have an advice for secondary weapon talents to use, especially for shotgun. The build is memento & striker

[gentle lichen]

not really different choice than if you wanted it to be a primary. brazen works or back and forth if you want a statstick

[cold pasture]

I think i can go with back and forth, since i like to swith my weapons, meaning I can profit from both. If that’s right

[subtle bluff]

acs12 is not need nor worth on memento striker since it's only up to 65% at a 100 stacks.

[cold pasture]

do you got another one to recommend

[subtle bluff]

w/e cover your primary, SMG's or AR's

[mental cove]

Anybody know if the Investor mask has been fixed yet? I heard it’s bugged.

[subtle bluff]

hmmmm?

[lone glacier]

Bugged? Thats something new

[icy arrow]

i need max mods whats the current best way to farm them retal focus or summit legendary?

[lone glacier]

Never farm for them actively. Its a waste of time

[icy arrow]

is see had that idea aswel cuz the stats are so bad when i focus farm them

[subtle bluff]

Whatever you can clear well.

[strong cave]

You can honestly farm legendary summit floors if you want to dedicate time to getting those mods. Most of the time tho they'll drop for you when you least expect it

[subtle bluff]

If they can’t clear it well then it’s wasted time and effort.

[teal ibex]

what is best attribute perk for dark winter? dmg out of cover like usual?

[soft crane]

yeh

[sterile chasm]

oh awesome, thanks 🙂

[obsidian bronze]

classic m60 or the iwi negev?

[noble pelican]

What would the best double-lmg perk combination be for Tinkerer on a striker build?
Just playing around with options and currently farming the GR9 anyway.

Going for Killer on the GR9 and already got the MK46 with Frenzy for general use; Never thought about mixing them, however lol

[obsidian bronze]

i mean wouldnt they be the best?

or for escal instead of killer maybe strained since kills are harder to get?

[lone glacier]

Killer, Strained(?), Frenzy and Measured are prob the 4 you could try

[noble pelican]

I assume they are if you actively use the MK46.
Not sure how well Frenzy works on the GR9 due to the gigantic mag, however.

[lone glacier]

Worth a try I guess

[analog mural]

i mean im already having a hard time proccing frenzy on strikers mk46

and when it pops off, it shreds

measured seems to solve the frenzy issue a little bit

[devout iris]

what rifle is useful in a healer build here cause for me its either doctor home (thought i dislike it cause of the always scoping aim) and the bitterswet rifle even thought it 's passive works only on headshots

[grizzled garnet]

are you using the healer build from the build spreadsheet?

[devout iris]

still been rocking a healer build with the gear set from IH or something

[grizzled garnet]

future initiative?

[devout iris]

yes

4 pices of it with the btsu gloves and a.... f#ck, forgot the names of the backpack is was using

but all of it had was yellow core with skill heal and skill efficiency

[grizzled garnet]

bc the typical build uses opportunistic on the backpack and a shotgun like scorpio

[devout iris]

well for me i had the named shotgun with sledgehammer

leftie was the name of it

[grizzled garnet]

i'd recommend using scorpio too since it helps with debuffing enemies

[devout iris]

well that would result in bringing out stage kleft back from it's dusty place that is teh stash as well as corpio

[grizzled garnet]

is using a rifle like a requirement?

[devout iris]

well if i wanna use perfect sledgehammer here for DH and IH

[grizzled garnet]

why cant you use scorpio and lefty?

maybe im misunderstanding but there are 2 weapon slots. you can run both scorpio and lefty

[hexed steppe]

its kinda irrelevant which you use tbh. with sledge you are just swapping long enough to proc sledge and never really shooting the weapon anyways

[grizzled garnet]

fair. i just prefer to keep both shotguns so i can procc opportunistic regardless of weapon

[hexed steppe]

i agree, it makes more sense

[brazen marten]

Is it possible to run an all striker set maybe with a shield skill and reviver?

[grizzled garnet]

all striker like 6pc?

[brazen marten]

Yeah

[grizzled garnet]

like literally possible sure. is it good, advised or recommended no

youre much better off using the build listed in the build list in the pinned spreadsheet

[brazen marten]

Fair enough, I’ll take a look

[grizzled garnet]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16HdKj8x-LlXJCcVPAWNZWIb0SXcQOmAfAh1cHYYsxwI/edit?tab=t.0

[patent fossil]

More than 4 pieces of a gearset is pointless, you gain no extra bonuses and lose two potential brand bonuses and two extra minor stats

[brazen marten]

Is the shield a decent skill still wit striker tho?

[grizzled garnet]

Its ok in my opinion. In higher difficulties itll get shredded

[brazen marten]

Ah okay thanks

[lone glacier]

Banshee Pulse + Reviver Hive is prob the best combo

[analog mural]

lowk since everyone is transitioning to overdogs (im late to the party), having at least 1 dude running coyote in the party is amazing for that global crit buff

[grizzled garnet]

The bad thing about coyotes was that at a time everyone ran it so people were wasting their exotics since you cant benefit twice for the same distance

[analog mural]

true, there was a lack of better dps exotics back then

[grizzled garnet]

Indeed

[strong cave]

I personally made it a point in my groups only 1 person ran coyotes

Or if it was a raid, only 1 person from each sub group wore it

The other piece could be whatever you desired. Most went Grupo or Fenris since that's what we had at the time

[analog mural]

how much emp/disrupt res do i need to be fully immune? i wanna cook up a disrupt/emp resistant FI build for hunter encounters at the start and end of the cd match

[strong cave]

A few different ways you could honestly set that up

I'll find the info real quick

[strong cave]

This is what I could find so far

[analog mural]

oh damn

[strong cave]

Be very warned, this came off a long drawn out reddit post. But some of these numbers look familiar. Shock specifically

[analog mural]

i saw one on the builds guide for hazpro eclipse for disrupt its about 95.4

not sure if i should just try making FI with haz pro or just go for haz pro eclipse

[strong cave]

Yeah Gemini AI pulled up that info as well. It was at the top of the search page, not bc I used AI. Just does it

[soft crane]

Might as well make it 100% when making a hazpro build.

[hazy steeple]

I would immediately be suspicious if AI got the correct result.

[strong cave]

Pretty sure someone had a full list of all the status cutoff for immunity

[analog mural]

im specifically going for disrupt so i can deploy my skills during hunter encounters

the group heal on FI would be nice

[hazy steeple]

The Spreadsheet has the correct stats, last I checked.

[soft crane]

Was about to say.

[strong cave]

You'd be surprised, Gemini AI does get a good amount right for Division 2. I myself correct it wherever it's wrong

[soft crane]

If you want to make a hazpro build, go all the way through.

[hazy steeple]

spreadsheet source:

[soft crane]

I dont like half-assed builds.

[strong cave]

Yup those numbers look WAY cleaner

[hazy steeple]

This isn't really the kinda game where you can get it mostly right and have it work.
div2 is very "snowball math problems".

[soft crane]

Napalm is purple flame?

Whats actually different than regular fire?

[hazy steeple]

I'll wait for one of our resident math nerds to correct it if it's wrong.

[soft crane]

DoT?

[strong cave]

Yeah the math side it struggles hardcore. But for say the mechanics and build understandings, it's pretty spot on for what it spits out

[analog mural]

its for healing on FI and dmg buffs

i dont want to go for eclipse haz pro coz its just CC and i dont need that much CC

[hazy steeple]

As someone who spends their time on this server correcting problems: lol.

[soft crane]

Yea but you're aiming for 100% hazpro arent you?

[hazy steeple]

"AI told me that crossplay is coming out in april". If I have to read that once more, I am setting a fire.

[analog mural]

not rly i just need enough disrupt res

[soft crane]

AI told me that crossplay is coming out in april. Where is it?

[strong cave]

Yeah trust me, I laugh pretty good at some of its responses. It at one point thought claws out boosted total damage by 11%. Not just the pistol damage. It's prone to over generalization which this game DEFINITELY is anything but generalized

[soft crane]

Oh

[hazy steeple]

I honestly don't care if it's mostly right, AI is a plague online and needs to be nuked out.

[strong cave]

I agree. It runs our drive thru at my main work

[soft crane]

Anyway let me put on my hazpro build before Rivens tries to set me on fire.

[analog mural]

i did make a haz pro eclipse for cc and healing but id prefer FI for the twd boost and group healing with hive

[strong cave]

I do like that it's a nice research tool tho, if used correctly

[hazy steeple]

🤦‍♀️

I'm going to take a break before a vein starts popping out.

[strong cave]

Hey, let me use it to at least pull up several official articles so I'm not spending time looking at opinionated articles

[analog mural]

so if i get like 50% hazpro on 5 of my gear pieces, not counting gloves coz ill run btsu for global oc

i get 10% hzp from shd watch, is it possible to get more disrupt res from mods?

[long sapphire]

Society is both too scared of using AI, or way too comfortable using it.

[strong cave]

Disrupt mods exist, yes. But remember only 3 mod slots

[analog mural]

how much do i get per mod? is it 10 or 12%

[strong cave]

10

You'll still be like 10% too short I think

[analog mural]

hmm im like 5% short for total disrupt immunity yea

[strong cave]

You may not have a choice and might have to ninjabike it or go 2 piece ceska

You won't be able to take overcharge unless you can get over a brief disruption

[analog mural]

guh too much headache, ill just do haz pro eclipse 😔

[strong cave]

Which if you're like 90%, that 5% is only going to equate to a brief second

If you want, I can take some time to try to build you a template? I may have an idea up my sleeve

[analog mural]

wait on god?

if its just like 1-3s of disrupt then it doesnt seem too bad on paper if my teammates triggered the hunter spawns first

[strong cave]

Yeah with my hazpro striker build (yes it's weapon damage built, not armor), not taking any bleed resistance mods has me at 90 hazpro

I reload backfire and bleed for a brief second

[analog mural]

i just run faraday from tech, drop hive at my feet in anticipation of hunters spawning but like i cant get the timing right everytime

[strong cave]

Yeah I run the same setup you do with Tech just for that reason alone

My striker setup is 4 piece striker and then 2 piece ceska both with hazpro / crit. Still getting 90 hazpro

Glass cannon as well and taking backfire

[analog mural]

yea but it became unreliable to me if i had to wait somewhere 150m away from extract zone to avoid hunters emping me 😔

which is why im thinking of doing a weird FI haz pro build for cd

[strong cave]

It's not a bad idea. I personally like the idea

[analog mural]

also since enemies in heroic cd dont deal that much dmg on their own unless they are hunters, i find beacon group armor regen pretty busted

[strong cave]

You could ditch BTSU for beacon that would work

[analog mural]

y beacon tho

but then the yaahl piece would need to be unicorn

[strong cave]

The group armor regen

[analog mural]

yuh but the hive alone is rly good at that anyways

btsu makes it better and resets hives(unnecessary in this season lmao)

[strong cave]

I personally would take BTSU over Beacon but beacon isn't a bad idea in this use case. You'd be huddled closely with the team

That yaahl bag will be a pain to farm for. It's your only option

[analog mural]

i was gonna use the setup but the yaahl piece might be useful for that disrupt immunity im looking for

[strong cave]

It gives 10 hazpro

[analog mural]

oh yea very 😔

[soft crane]

It was available last week iirc

[strong cave]

Yaahl always rolls blue so if you can get a bag to drop opportunistic with hazpro or repair skills, just roll whatever

[soft crane]

In clan vendor.

[analog mural]

needs one with skill haste/repair hazpro already rolled on with opportunistic

this is essentially impossible

i could probably do away with the blue core ill be running tech spec

[strong cave]

Imagine how I felt crafting 2 of my all red holsters and my all red Habs Vigi bag

[hazy steeple]

I finally caved and spammed crafting a Hollow Man today for Escalation.
what have i become.

[strong cave]

Double crit closer was a PAIN in my ass to craft. Few thousand uzina mats

[soft crane]

Lazy.

[strong cave]

How much exotics did you feed into investor?

[analog mural]

so hypothetically if a hunter were to disrupt me for 30s, i would only receive 3s of disrupt at 90% hzp right

[hazy steeple]

I farmed 100 retals to get the Hollow Man, I'mma craft the hollow man.

[strong cave]

For the most part

[soft crane]

Fair enough.

[lament reef]

perhaps i was just extremely lucky but i got several hollow men while i was houndsman farming

[strong cave]

Sounds like they need therapy

[analog mural]

yea im so gonna need that yaahl piece and 3 disrupt resistance mods

[strong cave]

I'll see you in a few years 🙏

[analog mural]

oh my DAYS atp id be done with countdown and never touching it

[strong cave]

I meannnnnn you COULD go bike ninja

You're trading up overcharge tho

[hazy steeple]

I didn't Houndsman farm, so
I did have a few from over the years via Named caches, but mainly just the hazpro one I had from my old duct-tape backfire.

[strong cave]

Rivens jumped on the hazpro backfire bandwagon when that was huge?

[analog mural]

looks ugly

y cant we change the appearance of exotic gear smh

cooking up the most unconventional FI builds

[strong cave]

Use a backpack in apparel