td2-build-advice

[smoky latch]

Pls let me know the outcome when you prototype it

[ivory abyss]

Am I going to regret it? xD

[smoky latch]

Who knows (I might say yes tho, since you cannot optimize/recalibrate anything)

[ivory abyss]

But thats still better than not upgrading aint it, since one stat will be max for sure, the rest will be at the lowest if unlucky which is still the highest without proto

[light jungle]

Btw what modifiers should I grab ?

[ivory abyss]

I have 3 MK46s I am only going to proto 1 since the talent will be locked lol

[smoky latch]

Yeah but increased CHC is pretty pointless. I might say same for WH

[ivory abyss]

OH yeah that would suck lol

Heres my thinking for prototype, Upgrading is prob the best option since you get 100% max stat for 1 and maaaaaybe another one. If they add recal or optimizing for protos in the future. Upgraded pieces will be overall cheaper to make max with that since most the proto dropped pieces literally all come garbage from what ive seen lol very rarely does it drop maxed out

[vernal wing]

Can any rifle build compete with a striker build for end game content?

[solar sable]

OD Tinkerer for Rifles is the best, nothing can really beat strikers

[ivory abyss]

Okay just to verify before I do it lol I don’t need to max those 2 out right? They will automatically be at the highest before prototype once I upgrade if unlucky

[hazy steeple]

@ivory abyss To upgrade an item to Prototype, it needs to be Expertise 30.

[ivory abyss]

i reposted new pic

[mild dawn]

Fully optimizing an item is not required before converting it to Prototype, as the upgraded version scales as if the item had been fully optimized.

[ivory abyss]

They said it doesnt need to be optimized anymore

Okay gooooooood

LOL it did crit chance ofc

[smoky latch]

Lol

[lament reef]

lucky

[smoky latch]

I deleted that one and kept one with WD maxed out

[ivory abyss]

Is that lucky?

[smoky latch]

No need to rub it in :>

[ivory abyss]

Paradox is good? I thought people want echo

[smoky latch]

Paradox is nice if you have it on multiple items

Someone yesterday said apparently four pieces are needed to have near infinite ammo or sth. Can't verify that

[ivory abyss]

ofc it does chc man lol you jinxed IT!

[smoky latch]

Yooo blame me lol

[ivory abyss]

Its okay though I will take this because if I didnt upgrade I would be at 15% WD and 12% DTTOOC anyways lol I get a cool augment and some heavy chc I can stack chd now in some places for escalation

[smoky latch]

You can keep it if you have nothing better, ofc

[ivory abyss]

thats my first prototype xD

[mild dawn]

5 chc for free aint bad

[patent fossil]

only for shotguns, for other weapons you can't get infinite ammo, but with 7 maxed pieces you'd get like 6x mag size and ammo capacity

[ivory abyss]

I could try again but if it gave chc again id be pissed lol

[smoky latch]

I'm currently out of exo components and didn't have any prototype drops in 13 runs. So much fun

[mild dawn]

thats like a whole weapon mod

[vernal wing]

Is there an order priority of Gear Piece/Brand Piece/Weapon to upgrade to prototype?

[ivory abyss]

And we know they are going to bring something in the game eventually to boost your existing stats so ill just wait for that and stock up on materials til then lol

[smoky latch]

Look at this system. I bet they come up with crazy ideas that aren't equal to recalibrating and optimizing as we were used to

[patent fossil]

prototyped my whole striker-equalizer-turmoil set (for solo play) and literally every single piece got the crit stat increased, no WD for me. 60/160 crit total though.

[ivory abyss]

lol

[smoky latch]

Did you roll crits onto each of those pieces?

Or did you optimize/change their cores before proto?

[patent fossil]

some of them maybe, honestly can't remember but probably not all of them. No core changes, and turmoil of course was already double crit

[crystal lantern]

Yo does the eb have better burst then saint elmo?

[patent fossil]

got dth on my lex just to really rub it in

[smoky latch]

I'm asking specifically because I read sth interesting yesterday but cannot verify it because proto stuff isn't dropping for me atm...

[ivory abyss]

Idk if its like this for anyone else but I will be honest lol, I much rather see 1 max bar and the others empty, than have like 1 max bar and 2 bars with small orange bars in them like the dropped protos have usually lol my OCD couldnt handle seeing that lol

[patent fossil]

incursion & raids once per week per character, guaranteed proto cores

[smoky latch]

Yeah I know but I want stuff to drop from the missions

[patent fossil]

where rng is involved, expect some heavy conspiracy theories to crop up, they always do

[vernal wing]

What builds are you actually running for escalation?

[patent fossil]

especially when large-number repeats are basically impossible

[smoky latch]

Striker's ofc

[ivory abyss]

Strikers all red can do all 10 tiers lol

[vernal wing]

Weapons and exotic though?

[copper yarrow]

Striker Chest at max stacks is higher damage than Glass cannon right?

[smoky latch]

Lexington and MK46. No exotic

[vernal wing]

Overdogs?

[smoky latch]

No exotic I said 😄

[ivory abyss]

hes using named items i think or a named item

[vernal wing]

Ceska/grupo? 👀

[smoky latch]

Hollow Man and Česká

[ivory abyss]

I would love to use hollow man but the best one I have is a blue core lol

[vernal wing]

Any reason hollow over foxes?

[smoky latch]

I'd like to prototype Contractor's next

[subtle bluff]

Bigger number.

[vernal wing]

10% DTH > 10% DTOC?

[smoky latch]

21% DtH

[ivory abyss]

prototyped

but its 14% normally aint it

[buoyant perch]

Yes

[ivory abyss]

14% DTH vs 8% DTOC iirc

[vernal wing]

21 vs 12

[civic meteor]

for the Chameleon you get that +20% CHC does it go over the capped rate?

and if it doesnt go over is it better to just hover around 40% or below CHC

[ivory abyss]

I dont like to build based on a weapon talent giving me a buff to make up for it personally

[smoky latch]

Also the NPCs on higher tiers have insane health pools. And, many NPCs that would normally die quick stay in cover longer because of their increased hp

[ivory abyss]

because if you ever switch off that would suck lol or for when you dont have that buff active

[civic meteor]

oh I get it

[ivory abyss]

this is why i am like deciding between chest strikers build vs equalizer to prototype lol but then strikers chest would only excel there and if i do other activities strikers chest would be meh lol

[subtle bluff]

Isn't hollow man 14% DTH normally?

[civic meteor]

I just don't wanna over invest if I'm going to get awesome CHC with the weapon

[smoky latch]

Yes

[civic meteor]

whilst I'm here whats a good CHC?

[subtle bluff]

For you just act like you have coyote

[crystal lantern]

@subtle bluff do you know who handles the googke docs?

There was someone asking about it

[strong cave]

if my name was muscle man, I wouldve said "my mom"

brownie points to anyone who gets the reference

[crystal lantern]

The show just ended a few years ago

[buoyant kraken]

I recently changed my striker set. I normally ran Coyote , Ceska Chest , rest striker pieces

I changed Coyote with Overdogs (as I finally got the blueprint after the new update aswell as shroud) so I was able to roll a nearly maxed stats overdog. So currently running Striker x4 piece , ceska chest and overdog gloves. I have 57% chc and 143% chd using st elmos. This is the higher damage setup correct? Also is there any other weapon I can use other than St elmo's as I still don't have lexington. I have lefty for stacking

[copper yarrow]

Try iron Lung

[smoky latch]

You don't need the Striker's chest for anything other than heroic CD, incursion and maaaaaybe raids (but not really). Neither is prototype gear required for anything but Escalations so if you upgrade it, you'll use for specialized content. But it makes it easier for that

Also you'll upgrade more gear over time anyway

[rich cargo]

question: what is better for a refractor build ? i think these are mainly popular right?

[smoky latch]

If your team goes down a lot you can use the Refactor chest but I'd use a second piece of Hana-U still over Waveform

[rich cargo]

whats the healing difference between the 2?

[buoyant kraken]

I use this, and I've never had a problem with it

[smoky latch]

I don't have numbers on hand but waveform is inconsistent

[rain fox]

Would a ceska chest with obliterate provide more damage than the eqaulizer chest

[rich cargo]

damm another option haha

[vernal wing]

Not if you’re capped on crit.

[smoky latch]

They're very close, only a couple percent difference

[buoyant kraken]

Which version of the Core strength would be the "better" value? Maybe a full Yellow core one as you just benefit from the extra wd/armor?

[rain fox]

OK thanks for info

[smoky latch]

Not recommended for PvE and idk if fully tested yet

[subtle bluff]

What's up?
All of us are in the credits of the sheet. I'm kind of the most active..

[uncut yarrow]

What is CHC 1 vs CHC 2? Like whats the difference between x and y?

[subtle bluff]

As stats 1 and stats 2

[uncut yarrow]

Stats 1 and stats 2

[subtle bluff]

Comparing 1 and 2

[uncut yarrow]

Oh I gotcha

Yea yea seeing if you have one on or the other, compare the 2. That's convenient

[rich cargo]

oke i got my build like this now. what mods schould i use? all skill haste?

[smoky latch]

I prefer skill haste, yes

[ivory abyss]

No weapon damage and dog meat augment lol

[cerulean smelt]

you still have weapon damage, but just not increased weapon damage

[subtle bluff]

If you have an opinion on how to make that make it simpler to explane simpler Lmk.

[cerulean smelt]

this is after logging off and on as well right? unless they fixed that finally?

[rich cargo]

how can i "share" mods from other builds without removing them

[sinful tinsel]

grenade damage

[ivory abyss]

LMAO

[uncut yarrow]

Multiply your end results together whether you chose the CHD or CHC in your decision. Option 1 end result vs Option 2 end result. Something like that idk. I could also just be lowkey slow 🤷‍♂️

[solar sable]

save them in a loadout

[rich cargo]

i have mods saved in a loadout. and it says "remove it from the item"then...

[solar sable]

when you swap from one loadout to another it saves and equips the mods you put in them

[solar sable]

those mods saved will be transferred

[rich cargo]

so just press confirm? or

[plush thistle]

i just woke up so i can be dumb but you can't do that as far as i'm aware you have to get example put chc in your equalizer chest and then on a new loadout put chd in your equalizer chest it will ask what you just posted you either need new chest or keep same mod in it or swap it every time

[cerulean smelt]

mods do get saved for load outs by the way. imagine how tedious it'd be if it didn't if you only got 3 sets of max chc or chd mods and you had to either find more to keep them seperated 👀

[molten thorn]

Would a second HU piece be better than impetus (I'm a different person but i wanna know)

[grim bluff]

Impetus is better if you're using drone and turret yes

[molten thorn]

Hell yeah thanks.

[plush thistle]

i thought he was trying to use a single piece in 2 loadouts with a different mod my bad gonna go grab some coffee lol

[warm lagoon]

What modifiers to use to give me the highest skills damage? Lol

[solar sable]

yes

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, not sure exactly what they're trying to do, but yeah i think they're just trying to make a new loadout with 1 set of mods

[solar sable]

it will remove it but when you equip the loadout it is saved in it will get transferred

[quartz ermine]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQTzdiXCf2cwJQXRWLDUhzyQFT5UrtQetPkYMnQeW3cZSDgCYsqIaAij3ZqpM6k37VhMibMJzSFmDvm/pubhtml

[cerulean smelt]

just gotta be sure you're near a stash box when you load up your loadout if you put your loadouts away like me 😹

[warm lagoon]

Thank you

[solar sable]

1. Equip mod to slot
2. Save loadout 1
3. Remove and equip the same mod on a different item
4. Save loadout 2
5. Equip the first loadout and you will see that it appears to not have a mod (grey icon) but right after it does

that's why it's not worth having more than 4 dupes of each mod

unless you use improvised pieces

[flint arch]

just keep 16 of the same mod for all of your characters

[rich cargo]

i am still having trouble equipping my main 3 skill haste mods to 3 different builds

wait i think i got it this time

so i only need 3 skill haste mods? keep the best 3 and deconstruct the other ones?

[cerulean smelt]

what about chillout mask? 🤔

[strong cave]

how to waste space 101:

[smoky latch]

Yeah more consistent damage. Less than peak Waveform but on average better

[sinful tinsel]

does the health gate cooldown activate even when you dont go to like 1 hp

[plush thistle]

honestly thats pretty cool but that'd confuse the heck outta me; i'd be thinking it took my mod lol ill stick with keeping 1 mod in a piece because most of the builds are same anyways only a few guns cause a decrease in dps due to over doing chc

[dense lynx]

Just gettin back into the game. What gear sets should I aim for in a skill build?

[patent fossil]

Depends on the skill build. Eclipse for status, future initiative for healing, refactor for drone & turret, high end for mortar

[dense lynx]

Ty. Ill keep an eye out

[patent fossil]

There's a spreadsheet pinned in this channel with full build guides for these and more

[ivory abyss]

lol 2 stats to choose from 50/50 chance theres no way this thing doesnt upgrade my weapon damage for prototype lol so far 3 pieces all chd upgrade or chc no WD

[patent fossil]

I did finally get a WD upgrade on about my 8th piece, so it is possible

[ivory abyss]

lol damn

[strong cave]

so whats all this hoopla im hearin about "sherriff being a DPS shogtun?"

@solar sable i need some thoughts on this. can obviously go coyotes

OKAY IM ON THE HYPE TRAIN

[cerulean smelt]

looks interesting 🤔

[copper yarrow]

What is the better build of Big al?

[gentle lichen]

That blue on investor
Just run coyote

[strong cave]

yah got that on rn

[ivory abyss]

Finally lol 1 piece has the WD 22.5% lol striker knees

[subtle bluff]

Why Chests?

[copper yarrow]

i'm doing escalation level 5, The enemeis are quite tanky so I have no issues keepiong full stacks of chest

[subtle bluff]

Striker sure. TS I'd say no. Since while reloading you'd lose some stacks

[gentle lichen]

Consistency is gonna land you with striker imo you gotta charge up tipping for each enemy

Repositioning alone is gonna cost you almost half your stacks

[subtle bluff]

I'll be honest leggo I'd agree with NB. Escalation and Big AL it probably isn't bad. Depends on the mission I guess.

[copper yarrow]

Okay makes sense

I read somehwhere that Striker is better for burst DPS and Tipping for sustain

[subtle bluff]

The issues with that thought is how stacks work.

[smoky latch]

Striker's needs also stacks. Hence it is also very much for high sustained damage

Especially with its chest

It's just that you can gain stacks easier and the stack decay isn't as horrible as TSs is

[limpid pelican]

i love reloading with an lmg and losing half of my tipping scales stacks

[smoky latch]

Depends on the LMG (and WH) but valid point

[copper yarrow]

Bluescreen is pretty fast reload with full TS stacks

[gentle lichen]

Best thing about tipping is that you can reach your ceiling without any effort

[subtle bluff]

TS, Striker and CoCo are pretty close to each other in DPS. The thing that makes them all different is how stacks are made and lost.

[gentle lichen]

Grab a cooler if you have a flexible secondary and stack to max then peek

[subtle bluff]

Yes but it can start a fight before you want.

I've tried and tested coolers and pistols.

[vernal wing]

How is Bullet King with TS?

[gentle lichen]

True as well
Who could've thought a squirter can be heard...

[copper yarrow]

Usually those are the loudest lol

[smoky latch]

Works. Pretty good sustained DMG

[subtle bluff]

You'd think....

[smoky latch]

But pretty bad burst DMG

[subtle bluff]

It's not bad BK is always mid.

[flint arch]

i tried using it when i was playing with dien, i immediately stopped using it because the burst damage was so ass

[gentle lichen]

What does the agitator give as a passive, just the reduced threat?

[smoky latch]

Yeah I think so

[gentle lichen]

Thinking about it this is the first exotic after the exotic rework that has a passive effect

[smoky latch]

I like holstered talents

[copper yarrow]

Use with cloak to get 100% less threat lol

[smoky latch]

And max expertised overcharge decoy on top :>

[subtle bluff]

BTW! I have a new meta.

[smoky latch]

Oh?

[solar sable]

free mats

[fair dragon]

Chow mein meta recipe?

[solar sable]

hey all I said was how it works 😆

[gentle lichen]

I think threat generation still applies to it
Like instead of starting with 0% threat you start with -100% and with a decoy out you can be ignored and shoot until your threat builds up the decoy's threat or higher
I might be bullshitting but this is kinda how i understand threat generation

[subtle bluff]

I want a good chow mein it's been a min for me.

[fair dragon]

"How to dump all your ammo at once" meta?

[subtle bluff]

ACS12 for stacking talent

[subtle bluff]

Yes sir!

[fair dragon]

How is that meta tho

[gentle lichen]

I can't wait to get a stack broker with ROF minor and interchangeable talent

[lament reef]

i was really enjoying big al when i was using it in countdown, does it feel good outside of that

[fair dragon]

Its not even "most efficient"

[solar sable]

what does Investor do? I have no clue, I might grind for it 2nite

[smoky latch]

I see, you're using the switch and bait talent :p

[copper yarrow]

I'm finding it the most useful gun for me for higher level escalations

[gentle lichen]

Gain bonuses for certain minor attributes up to 3
10% chd for red
1% regen for blue
5% skill eff for yellow

Ex: 3 red minors = 30% chd

[gentle lichen]

I'm using a normal striker and maining iron lung on it with interchangeable lex and it's genuinely fun

[solar sable]

[smoky latch]

Yeah I have it too in a Striker's build

[gentle lichen]

I like switching between the two usually so getting a refreshable talent that applies to BOTH my weapons is really good

[merry lantern]

Can anyone help me with builds n a quick way to get xp im only lvl43 help meee

[smoky latch]

?

You get XP by playing the game, a build just helps you with it. What build you looking for?

[gentle lichen]

Do you have a general use build? If not farm a striker's build in countdown

[merry lantern]

I can show you

[solar sable]

so if I have 3 blues I will get 3% regen...?

[gentle lichen]

Mmhm

[solar sable]

very niche if you ask me

[gentle lichen]

It's so funny in pvp i terrorised people with a crit regulus using it lol

[smoky latch]

lmao

I ain't gonna tilt my head for that 😂

[lament reef]

at least there’s no ninjabike

[gentle lichen]

Right so with gearsets it has to be a 4 pc so you can get the most crucial talent

[merry lantern]

My shii cant be bad damn😭😭

[smoky latch]

Is that 3x Striker's and 2x ND?

[gentle lichen]

I suggest dropping the negotiator's and striker's chest and replacing it with an equalizer and the rest striker

[smoky latch]

Whatever it is, you need 4x of the same gear set to get its talent bonus

[solar sable]

your eyes are not deceiving you, it is 2pc Nego

[gentle lichen]

At least it's 15% chc

[merry lantern]

Ion got the rest of striker set yet

[gentle lichen]

Yeah which is why i suggested farming in countdown
Honestly just go as is and team will have enough damage in challenging

[smoky latch]

Yup

[lone violet]

2 pc neo with striker is diabolical

[smoky latch]

Everyone starts somwhere

[lone violet]

Imma test a YouTuber build on legendary and let you guys know

[solar sable]

at least it's not nbb

[merry lantern]

Chill on me😂😂

[gentle lichen]

It's an shd 42 much better start than most

[solar sable]

NOOOOOOOO PLEASEEEEEE

[lone violet]

ION CORE BUILD SEEMS KINDA META

[grizzled loom]

I mean it is good but idk about soloing legendary

[smoky latch]

Which YTer cult did you join now?

[merry lantern]

Where i can find countdown

[gentle lichen]

Top right of the map it should be a green circle

[lone glacier]

We'll find out soon enough

[grizzled loom]

Watch it be tuxedo bandido

[smoky latch]

Lol

Is he still wearing that ridiculous mask?

[limpid pelican]

lol this is a big issue in the dz. rapid fire regulus/nemi etc

[grizzled loom]

Idk but I still haven’t forgotten his exotics tier list

[copper yarrow]

What talent is that?

[smoky latch]

Keep forgetting its name, switch and something

[stark rivet]

back and forth?

[smoky latch]

Yeah ty lol

[copper yarrow]

Oh okay

[regal dock]

i need a suggestion on a sherrif build, anything i can make with the sheriff shotgun?

[lone violet]

tux and von doom lmao

[smoky latch]

Get out 🚪

😂

[strong cave]

give credit where credit is due, he did put tux first

[lone violet]

sorry im not part of pat wolf cult lmaooo

nah tho on the fr i do wanna build core strengh but for pvp just incase

[strong cave]

itll get nerfed hard if they say theyre working on a patch

[flint arch]

just don't be part of any cult

[lone violet]

the pve aspect is lack luster

[flint arch]

oh right, @strong cave i hate nimble holster

[lone violet]

oh man over charged booster hive and decoy META CORE STRENGH

[strong cave]

aw what

[flint arch]

not because the talent isn't good like exodus, it's because it forces me to use 🤢 striker backpack

[strong cave]

rip

[flint arch]

if i don't see the vigilance icon i vomit

also nimble holster looks like a cheap plastic toy holster for $5.99

[strong cave]

you know what else looks like a cheap plastic toy holster for 5.99?

[flint arch]

what

[gentle lichen]

That one eagle bearer skin

[flint arch]

true

[gentle lichen]

It's not a holster but you get it

[strong cave]

fr fr

[smoky latch]

I hate it. Can't do that to the Eagle Bearer...

[lone violet]

half the skins do be mid ngl

[gentle lichen]

No regulus skin is nefarious

[rich cosmos]

I don’t understand the eb skin hate I like it

I think the actual genuine worst one is the elmo skin, covering up the lvoa barrel removing the unique fact that it looks like a lvoa is wild

[gentle lichen]

That mag does not not hold 60 rounds i know many other weapons suffer that but it's not as exaggerated as that skin
And the fact it looks more like a rifle

[rich cosmos]

The base mag doesn’t look like it holds 60 either though

[gentle lichen]

It looks like a tacticool generic rifle
It doesn't even have the classic eagle feathers 🥹

[rich cosmos]

And elmo has 70 rounds in a 30 round mag

[rich cosmos]

The feathers is the only complaint I agree with

[hazy geode]

any good builds for legend summit

im trying to farm big horn and i keep dying with strikers elmos

[flint arch]

i fw the color of the elmo skin but the barrel is just yuck

[gentle lichen]

Striker is always your friend

[flint arch]

just don't die /j

[gentle lichen]

Gotta work on positioning and engaging as few enemies as possible at a time

[hazy geode]

ight

[flint arch]

how to not die instantly (scroll down to the "best defense is to never get hit" section)

it takes practice but spend enough time with 6 red cores and you'll eventually get it

[regal dock]

any suggestion towards this build? balancing between weapon dmg and skill dmg

[flint arch]

i don't really know what to tell you other than that you will do poorly at both

at most i can suggest switching out the chest for The Sacrifice since PGC increases both weapon and skill damage

if you want a build that can do both more competently i suggest following this #td2-build-advice message

[languid zenith]

So my new favorite gun is the sherrif but im looking for just a good build to use it in, mostly end up playing escalations and retaliation, and master missions with friends, would love something that can somewhat compete

[flint arch]

sheriff is good as a secondary in say a striker build but it's not a good enough gun to build around on its own

[hazy geode]

yo the big horn gotta be like the rarest weapon ever

[strong cave]

Nah

I have the rarest weapon in the game. I've yet to see someone else have what I have

[flint arch]

stack broker with RoF + fast hands

[strong cave]

@hazy geode ^ what corrupt here said

[wind wolf]

Ok! Make it make sense for me plz! I took off overdogs for tinkerer and put on same weapon type that's streamline. Last I check 42 is higher than 30. How am I doing less damage?

[strong cave]

Amp damage is Multiplicative. Streamlined is Additive damage

[wind wolf]

Thank you! But what?

I'm lost, why is it so many different damage in this game

[strong cave]

42% Weapon Damage is not the same as 30% Amplified.

30% Amp > 42% Added weapon damage

[flint arch]

the 42% weapon damage trips so many people up, in practice it measures out to be more of a 16% damage increase

[median hull]

Just know if you see the word ‘amplify’ on a talent, it probably is better

[strong cave]

It equates to ~1-2 damage cores

[flint arch]

people see big number and go "hell yeah that's definitely the best option"

[hazy steeple]

(it might help if you simplify additive vs multiplicative, since the words themself look intimidating at first)

[plush thistle]

hot dogs baby

[strong cave]

weenor

[wind wolf]

Thank you again! Thank you for information. I will keep that in mind for later builds. This is stupid and I hate it. Again thank you! Just mad cause this is dumb. Too many damage types. Again thank you! Information is helpful.

[strong cave]

I'd rather have many damage sources than just 1

[languid zenith]

There needs to be a gear set the is more suited towards shotguns, ive played and tried so many guns and builds in this game, recently been having fun with the bitter sweet and now loving the sherrif it just feels like it has potential just cant Crack what would make it better

[plush thistle]

but my 32 mil a shot feels so epic

[flint arch]

hunter's fury

[plush thistle]

honestly is hunter's fury worth making i've seen it mentioned a few times on here

[flint arch]

it can be very good yes

[median hull]

Probably top 3 gear set imo (maybe hot take)

50% health on kill
20% armour on kill
Amp dmg
Disorients enemies around you on kill

[plush thistle]

aight between these 3 which one you vote for refractor, hunter's fury or Eclipse protocol

[rich cosmos]

None of these are similar

[hazy geode]

strikers

[flint arch]

all 3 perform different roles though

[languid zenith]

Hunters fury has been fine but still feels like its steam rolled in anything slightly difficult

[median hull]

They are used in different scenarios so ain’t really sure what to say mate

[flint arch]

you can't just facetank the enemies even with HF

[rich cosmos]

This applies to 80% of items

[flint arch]

hunter's fury can be very powerful but it's also difficult to use

[languid zenith]

Definitely not trying to face tank with hunters fury 😂

[median hull]

If you are a solo player, like being aggressive and want great survivability and dmg then use hunters fury

[flint arch]

with HF you really, really need to kill the enemies ASAP

[hazy steeple]

Huntesr Fury is one of the simplest gearsets in the game.
You just stay within the range it asks you to.

[strong cave]

You don't even need a gearset for shotguns either

[plush thistle]

so i'm the kinda person that has likes and dislikes but i play it all anyways so roles aren't the issue for me so grade it based on what works the best in there category if that made sense

[flint arch]

idk i just ocassionaly use headhunter's fury with regulus. either i die instantly, or my enemies die instantly

[languid zenith]

Ive used Hf with the legendary smg cant spell name of so just gonna call it oro 😂 that was good but I mean shotgun specifically

[flint arch]

there is no in-between

[strong cave]

@languid zenith ditch investor, replace it with coyote. No gearset

@solar sable can vouch this setup with tinkerer version (using high end shotguns)

[languid zenith]

What kind of content you using this in?

[strong cave]

Definitely not legendary. If legendary imma have to point you over to HHF

Or well... Striker

[hazy geode]

IM FINISHED

[strong cave]

pause

[languid zenith]

So i have a hunter fury sherrif build thats great for master missions, but in open world heroic or escalation it sucks

[flint arch]

you know its usually the opposite way around (except for the escalation part)

[hazy geode]

screw retals all my homies love summit

[strong cave]

Yeah you basically have to run and run

[languid zenith]

Yeah its weird I just get destroyed in open world but then fine in master missions, think its because they flank more in open world

[strong cave]

Now farm stack broker with rate of fire and fast hands 🤞

[hazy geode]

nah i alr got lefty

i just wanted an ACS12 and i got lefty as my 1st

[strong cave]

Bro using Temu broker

[median hull]

Bring back pre-nerf sledge

[strong cave]

It was never nerfed lol

[solar sable]

absolute banger

oh btw, is it really worth it to run Investor on it? @strong cave

[fair dragon]

Out of all the bighorns ive gotten, 99% of them were from Tidal Basin, 0% from Summit

[hazy geode]

gg

[strong cave]

No. Absolutely not. Pure trash. Booty cheeks. It claps no ass

[hazy geode]

i just searched best way and it said summit. soooooooo like

[solar sable]

so wise

[strong cave]

So garbage 🤮

[languid zenith]

This is how ive got 100% of my big horns 😂

[fair dragon]

You were farming it, I wasn't.

[strong cave]

The Bighorn

[languid zenith]

Technically still havent owned one, never crafted it yet

[plush thistle]

what event helps with double resource crafting?

[strong cave]

Share some comps with us mayneee

[median hull]

Nvm it was because it got nerfed in a pts over a year ago but they reverted it after

[strong cave]

Yeah they never fixed the talent description

[languid zenith]

I have a friend thats adamant hes going to make a solid escalation build using the doctor home and I fully support him even if i dont have faith 😂

[summer totem]

Is doctor home good

[languid zenith]

Not compared to anything else 😂

[wind wolf]

Another question! How much weapon and critical damage do I need to be hitting over a million with a submachine gun?

[languid zenith]

The bittersweet out performs the doctor home

[lone violet]

Investor mask is interesting

[exotic talon]

perfect reggy

[languid zenith]

Doctor home is very contingent on a lot of stuff and doesnt give any bonus armor, the bittersweet fills health, armor and gives a tonne of bonus armor plus you could run it with red or yellow cores

[flint arch]

nah, it's optimized, the gun's bricked. better luck next time

[exotic talon]

them's fighting words

also an unoptimized dtoc would be a god roll

[summer totem]

Is there a difference with optimized and unoptimized?

[flint arch]

nah it has to be max rolled w/ dttooc from the get go

[exotic talon]

no but you get to brag more with an unoptimized perfect roll

[median hull]

First time seeing a 1000 < with regulus

[languid zenith]

Just curious anyone else having fun with the striega?

[median hull]

Yeah it’s a solid weapon

[flint arch]

strega is good but i can't be arsed to deal with the talent so i don't use it

[median hull]

I cba to use it cause I don’t wanna drop components on another gun lol

[languid zenith]

How are you finding it in group content, feel like the talent doesnt work half the time, ill get the kill and the dude 5m away is still chilling with no debuff

[summer totem]

I rolled a maxed out health damage and dtoc on st elmo is that considered god roll?

[flint arch]

strega falls off in groups. you need to be the one to kill all the enemies for the effect to proc

[median hull]

Wouldn’t really recommend for group play

[plush thistle]

@hazy steeple i crafted that tempest didn't realize i got the blueprint today didn't take long at all; Thanks a bunch

[languid zenith]

Yeah, problem is have is i struggle with just red core builds, the lack of survivability for me makes it so tough, I usually like playing a tank, my top 2 used builds are a foundry bulwark with regulus, and a refractor build ive been using since the set dropped

In a lot of games I end up playing the tank, unfortunately with escalation it just doesnt have the same effect for the group as 3 damage and 1 healer

[median hull]

3 armour cores is a pretty comfy amount of armour, idk if you’ve tried in open world

[summer totem]

Do solo skill only (damage skills) build exist?

[flint arch]

in escalation you might as well have 0 armor at all. you need to full send on all damage or all support. any armor cores are completely wasted

[median hull]

Yes

[languid zenith]

I have, currently most fun ive had is a 3 armor core 3 red core, core strength build and thats been fun in general but not for any serious content

[languid zenith]

Exactly, my tank build can just sit there and sponge all the damage especially as I have the 100% increased threat, but even so its not really helping the team so trying to find alternatives

[summer totem]

I still dont understand how core strength works

Im probably too dumb to understand the description

[lone violet]

I just run the coco pestil and watch people melt

[languid zenith]

Have 2 healer builds (refractor or bittersweet FI) and 1 tank (foundry bulwark) that im actually happy with. The issue is I want a damage build with one of the guns I like but think are underused 😂

Im a sucker for guns that dont get used often as others. Even spent a lot of time trying to make the sacrum imperium fun, but no

[flint arch]

honestly drawing aggro is really inconsistent in this game, we don't really have a taunt ability

[median hull]

I would rather die then drop the eagle bearer

[languid zenith]

Thats why I like 2 piece IA for the 100% increased threat

[subtle bluff]

To note that only the same amount as a Teir 0 decoy.

[languid zenith]

Fair enough, have a friend who's the same way, although right now hes trying to make the ravenous food

[languid zenith]

😂 yeah but I can move

[median hull]

I’ve been through mud and blood (countless nerfs) with this gun for like 5-6ish years.

[languid zenith]

And I dont have a cooldown

[flint arch]

a tank user i know. he just lands scorpio shots to CC the enemy instead of solely focusing on aggro, and he provides bonus armor to the team w/ p. vanguard and galvanize.

[languid zenith]

For the longest time at the early stages of the game I tried making a fun Diamondback build 😂

[languid zenith]

Assuming foundry bulwark, crusader shield, scorpio and galvanise

Oh nevermind you answered that

[unreal remnant]

Finally ! I did not enjoy a single second of this. I'm never touching Countdown again

[subtle bluff]

We don't have a threat table in div2. There are only a few things we know, DMG creates threat. The one doing the most dmg is generating the most threat.

[subtle bluff]

It's called support tanking sir.

[flint arch]

close enough sir

[languid zenith]

Solid build

[median hull]

I’ve genuinely never seen a tank outside of a raid

[languid zenith]

Have they tried that in anything like an escalation, purely just curious

[flint arch]

no, you cannot bring this into high tier escalation. you die instantly

[languid zenith]

Figured was just curious

[median hull]

Harvester mutator will cause the enemy to heal tons

[subtle bluff]

2 kind of tanks in div2; a support tanking and a upright tank (selfish)

[subtle bluff]

For good reasons.

[flint arch]

support tanks are less useful than an eclipse foam user or an FI healer but they still have their moments

[languid zenith]

Yeah to be fair my tank build i havent really touched since refactor

[strong cave]

I had to sport mode my way back to this convo

[wind wolf]

Thanks

[languid zenith]

I was trying out measured assembly today, feels fun but very niche

[flint arch]

i knew you'd show up

[strong cave]

Ah yes, the plugg. This guy knows his builds

[strong cave]

Damn look at him go

you just reminded me I made a clip showcasing absolutely unnecessary aggressiveness with Bighorn on a full high end crit setup

Crithorn is my guilty pleasure

[flint arch]

i dislike bighorn

because im a pleb that can't aim for shit

[median hull]

No idea how the headshot damage made it past testing

It genuinely may have the highest dmg potential of any weapon

[languid zenith]

So my friend who's trying to make a good ravenous byild is under the impression that he won't get one, hes just settling for his Lexington build and switching to the ravenous for tanks, warehounds and anything with armor 😂

[flint arch]

ravenous is usually something you just quickly pull out to dispatch a tank, but it has its moments against enemies with a very large health pool

also if its a warhound you can just shoot the legs, the legs have zero armor there

[languid zenith]

Hes a striker main, its the only loadout he has besides a healer build he never touches, he does great with his build so I cant blame him but I think right now even hes trying to do something different but realizing nothing hits as hard as his build

[red ore]

quick question, does regulus only obtainable from the raid?

never did the raids so.....

[onyx sage]

yes, right now

[tawdry raven]

Should I lock in my stack broker with back and forth talent for prototype?

[red ore]

fuu....time to find people to help for that i guess

[smoky latch]

#lfg-raid-pc

[faint thunder]

@smoky latch Are they any good? Iam fairly new SHD level 100, which one of those two will be easier to get?

[red ore]

is there a role for raid stuff?

[subtle bluff]

Just bring DPS.

[smoky latch]

Both builds are good but both have a different playstyle. Since you are a new players you might have to be a little patient getting Overdogs, but you can use a 3rd piece Break Point instead until you get them

[subtle bluff]

Like where you can kill something without doing anything silly.

[faint thunder]

I just got them today from heynah retal

I have around 25? Ish exotics not much but oh well

[smoky latch]

Oh wow, lucky 😄
You might also check this out for some useful info:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Tc2UDqrX0vBw-f18opih3idHlueXN7ca2HSEP_yAZDM/edit?tab=t.0

[faint thunder]

Took me ages to get those gloves, i went thru like 6 BDSU gloves drops and 4 of those weird blue gloves

Skills seem also fun in this game but idk iam yet to find anyone actually using skill build

[grim bluff]

Refactor is good with striker drone and assault turret

[faint thunder]

Could u elaborate the differences? Iam a peanut who just holds LMB on my elmo if i see enemy

[smoky latch]

Well one is a rifle build and one is a sniper build. They play a bit different in terms of distance mostly.

And NPC priotitization

[faint thunder]

Which one is easier? And what skills do u recommend to go with it? I always carry revive hive , right now iam using that STUN pulse but i assume i will have to switch off gunner to sharpshooter and lose that pulse

[smoky latch]

Decoy and reviver hive work well with it but you can use whatever

[faint thunder]

Awesome.i will try the winchester build. What stats should i prioritise on pieces u wearing? U are wearing prototype gear i assume from the color i can only dream of. Do u have any link to more “budget” version?

[ivory abyss]

Are people thinking for builds its best to stack all of one augment on all pieces or do a split of like 4 and 4

[plush thistle]

most important attribute will follow suit with marksmen build which is head shot damage

[uncut yarrow]

I would think it depends how each thing benefits you

[faint thunder]

So just copy MM build?

[plush thistle]

no was just saying the main attribute is headshot damage

[ivory abyss]

Theres a few augments I think seem really strong I might try to do a mix

[plush thistle]

i could list a few options but i have no idea personally which one is better i only use hot shot (marksmen build)

[faint thunder]

I might try the hotshot then. I want to get better gear to do high tier escalations

[plush thistle]

thats the gist for armor but i swap overdogs on and off with hotshot gloves depending on what i'm doing; overdogs gives most damage possible while hotshot gloves grant armor on kill plus 3 headshots in a row replishesand refills your mag so you don't have to reload

[faint thunder]

Got ya thank u

How does one get max roll mods?

[plush thistle]

as for the weapons i had a bit of trouble with the learning curve but statically white death seems better thanks to its higher headshot damage roll could use a model 700 or SR - 1 for utility but they do less damage model 700 is in the middle; mods you simply just have to grind you can target them if you wish but the gear is what is most important to get started as hot shot is a 1 shot kill focused mindset instead of rifle builds which functions a bit differently

[faint thunder]

So does hotshot force u to go solo to not lose determined etc? Cuz enemies in MP have much more hp no?

[livid sorrel]

in groups you're competing with teammates for kills and hh stacks, it can definitely work, you just have to work harder

[faint thunder]

Or did they fully rework determined and it no longer keeps reapplying himself?

Cuz iirc that was the case where u could one headshot first guy then have infinite body shot headshots as long as u kept one tapping

[flint arch]

perfect determined works normally. normal determined is still a broke-ass piece of crap

[dreamy ferry]

is there a good guide page for Division 2 builds?

[faint thunder]

Wdym by that

[flint arch]

check pins for the spreadsheet

[plush thistle]

no just determined is easier as it applies a free headshot regardless of where you hit where as perfect determined has a cooldown after use; in group play you have to time and guestimate how much damage you need to maintain your stack

[flint arch]

perfect determined doesn't reapply itself, normal determined still does

[faint thunder]

Lmao isnt that a “bug” for years now?

[flint arch]

[faint thunder]

Or did it become a “feature” cuz ubi is too afraid to break people builds

[flint arch]

if they fix it now people will complain so its just going to be like that forever

[plush thistle]

doesnt perfect determined also 100% crit thou?

[faint thunder]

Time to buff perfect determined to be the same

[flint arch]

you don't invest in crit if you're sniping

the miniscule amount of CHD on top of your HSD doesn't do much

[faint thunder]

Also can someone explain to me like iam 10 how overdogs work?

I see some tiers and whatever but i have zero clue

[flint arch]

check enemy symbol. if enemy symbol is correct, 30% amp. see the link for the enemy tiers. #td2-build-advice message tier 3 is the lowest

[plush thistle]

no i'm saying i believe it 100% crits on proc then goes on cooldown

[flint arch]

note this is not based on enemy color. you could be shooting at a named enemy, but as long they're tier 3 you'll still get the buff

[faint thunder]

Ah so basically when u shoot the “highest rank” enemies u deal more damage?

[flint arch]

also, if there's only tier 1 and 2 enemies on the field, the amp will apply to tier 2 enemies, and likewise for tier 1

[faint thunder]

Or the other way around

So weak go first got ya

[plush thistle]

you can add this as well whenever you wind up getting enough currency for it - 135% headshot damage

[crystal lantern]

Oh thx ill tell em

[plush thistle]

are there any other marksmen rifles worth keeping for high end besides white death, model 700, and sr - 1?

[ivory abyss]

I just thought of something, I am at 60.5 chc with strikers OD and equalizer prototype'd and my gun has a CHD mod on it, couldnt I just use striker chest hollow man mask and still overdog gloves instead of ceska gloves

the 8% chc from the ceska brand set I could just get some of it from a mod

[wind sentinel]

should striker build weith st elmo have chest rig? feel likes its too hard to maintain that many stacks

[flint arch]

are you doing legendary, master, high tier escalation, raids, incursion, etc? if your answer is no, run equalizer chest

[wind sentinel]

so it is worrth to havce it for those. got it

[flint arch]

i often don't even use striker chest for legendary and master anyway

[worn crown]

newish player here i have both chameleon and st.elmo which one is better in general?

[rich cosmos]

Elmo is better cham is effectively an smg exotic

[worn crown]

alright then i'll keep using elmo

[timid oyster]

Is ongoing directive used still

[subtle bluff]

It's been in use since TU22

There a guide if you follow around in the pinned messages

@flint arch where a link so that modifiers webapp?

[flint arch]

the what now

[subtle bluff]

There a web app for the modifers isn't there?

On how to stack it and stuff.. IDK...

[flint arch]

no, i remember @ bulls was writing a doc about it but idk if they're finished yet

but if you want to min-max a stat it's kinda the same thing anyway

[subtle bluff]

murr

[flint arch]

sorry sir 🥺

[timid oyster]

Damn i need to find a build. Javent been on in a long while

[flint arch]

To maximize the original stat boost of a module:
Compress (desired module) Split (desired module) Nullify
To maximize a converted stat boost of a module:
Compress (desired module) Nullify Convert 1/2 (desired module, desired stat)
The order of the modifiers matter, except for Convert 1/2.

[flint arch]

check pins for the spreadsheet

[timid oyster]

The one from 5 years ago? Is it updates

[flint arch]

5 years ago?

the one im referring to is this #td2-build-advice message

[solar sable]

The pin itself doesn't update, what updates is the Google Spreadsheet.

[solar sable]

which is almost 6yrs old XD

[flint arch]

oh so that's what they meant

[timid oyster]

Yeah

[timid oyster]

Yeah all i see are calculators

[flint arch]

go to the Hub (Builds) tab, there are a bunch of recommend builds there as well as some other guides

[subtle bluff]

Sheet 2

[tawdry raven]

proto white death score

[red ore]

i like running Ongoing Directive but for some reason i cant find the balance between survivability and dps

[smoky latch]

Full red, use cover and banshee pulse. That's it

[tawdry raven]

has anyone prototyped a kard custom to see if it can get 2 skill tiers?

[smoky latch]

I heard that was fixed since PTS. Don't know for sure

[red ore]

cover as in smart cover or cover in general lmao

[runic thicket]

i have an all red striker build, but i feel that i need more armor. i guess the only way to do this is to sacrifice some of my critical hit chance or crit damage right

[rich cosmos]

What in the actual hell

[solar sable]

cover, the move, the mechanic, the medic, the grenadier, the drone operator, the minitank- ok enough

[smoky latch]

Physical cover. You want OD all red for sure

[red ore]

also is it just me or the overlord shottie is shit

[runic thicket]

all my gear attributes are crit chance or crit damage

[solar sable]

it is lol

[solar sable]

why would you affect your stats? Just use Blue Cores

[runic thicket]

because i would have to use gear with less reds

[solar sable]

don't touch your attributes, just cores

[runic thicket]

what are cores. mods?

[red ore]

full red in heroics is going to kill me T.T but time to git gud i guess

[runic thicket]

my 3 gear mods are all critical chance

[smoky latch]

Either Memento or 1-2 blue cores for Striker's

Just to have a crutch in the beginning until you get a hang of cover play

[runic thicket]

is core the same as a gear mod

[fair dragon]

The core is the topmost stat, its either weapon damage, skill tier or armor

[smoky latch]

No, lol. Cores the WD, Armor and Utility

[runic thicket]

ok so i should recalibrate it.

[smoky latch]

You could, yes

[runic thicket]

ok so the top most stat is what i should be changing to get more armor.. i thought for some reason it would be the lower ones, or the mods

well, i dont really know what i thought, thats why i was asking i guess

i'll see if i have any pieces of strikers that i didnt already recalibrate

ok so i guess my new question is to do that i have to sacrifice some weapon damage right

[candid cave]

Best gear set for bighorn?

[smoky latch]

None

[fair dragon]

Yes.

[runic thicket]

k i think i understand

thanks

Ok I can take my armor from 724k to 911k

My DMG dropped from 103k to 96k

I'll try this and see how it goes

Now I need some hyenas tactical assessment to optimize the other attribute. Don't have enough

I could buy optimization cache

Bad luck, didn't get hyenas. I'll have to go kill hyena bosses I guess

[rocky pagoda]

i got a god roll with chc for an lmg i found!

bad thing is its the l86 lsw

[subtle bluff]

Dmg out isn't just measured by per bullet dmg. Due to RPM.

[next dawn]

what can I change to add more dps

[smoky latch]

CHD mod in Tinkerer for instance

[next dawn]

already fixed that

[smoky latch]

I mean it's preference but I don't like the MDR archetype

For higher burst damage you can try the M16A2

[toxic frigate]

you can try strained or measured for 2nd talent instead boomerang

[smoky latch]

Bro, Measured is available on ARs and LMGs only :p

[toxic frigate]

wait, i forgot those are rifle

i guess strained

or if you want kind of funny talent, fast hand works too

[willow sigil]

when do you guys move onto the next category for expertise? when all of the non named items and exotics are done?

[next dawn]

Not a fan of the burst any other options for rifles?

[coral talon]

am i on the right track with this backfire builds or do i need to change sum things?

[next dawn]

Get rid of the ninja bike backpack and use a striker backpack before you get shredded in here

[solar sable]

just use Equalizer instead of Ceska

[livid sorrel]

you dont need hazpro, just reload frequently to get bleed res

[smoky latch]

LMAO-C as primary maybe, Leightweight M4, SIG716 CQB (with WH through seasonal modifiers). UIC12 MOD2 also nice (for long range)

[coral talon]

im confused

[livid sorrel]

everyone gets immunity to status effects when they're inflicted repeatedly

[coral talon]

ah ok

[next dawn]

Hmm alright I'll take a gander

[coral talon]

oh ok i see

[timid token]

Is my stats looking good

[silver coral]

any reason why technician is use on this skill build?

[next dawn]

Technician gives +1 skill tier for free guessing for sheild and hive buff

[idle dragon]

Why nobody using cayote mask?

[smoky latch]

Solid. Just get a damage talent on your LMG

[smoky latch]

Some better alternatives by now

[hazy steeple]

More people use Coyotes, but Overdogs is considered better these days.

[idle dragon]

Overdogs?

[silver coral]

wouldn't you die without has pro?

[smoky latch]

No

[timid token]

Is there reason I can’t expertise this

[silver coral]

woudn't reloading will kill you instantly?

[hazy steeple]

@timid token Yes

[timid token]

Why

[idle dragon]

u need more expertise lvl to up

[hazy steeple]

I feel the words "insufficient expertise level" are pretty clear.

[next dawn]

check your expertise level

[timid token]

Sad

[hazy steeple]

Insufficient means "not enough".

[next dawn]

reading is hard ig?

[timid token]

💀

[hazy steeple]

I'll assume they just don't know the word, which is a little sad but it's fine.

[idle dragon]

maybe he just from not english-speaking country

[timid token]

I’m white

[idle dragon]

and? i think germans are white too

[hazy steeple]

I always forget every single white country speaks perfect english.

hey spanish people, stop being liars.

[timid token]

Not Germans

[idle dragon]

no matter

[solar sable]

no?

[silver coral]

how

[hazy steeple]

Forget has pro, you need will pro.

this has been a joke on people not knowing that its short for hazard.

[solar sable]

bc you dont bleed that much

[next dawn]

you will die faster to the enemies then the bleed

[silver coral]

ok il try backfire havent tried that weapon yet i just keep hearing use haspro on that weapon always

[livid sorrel]

the forbidden 4 reload backfire technique

[next dawn]

Kinda funny that you can die to the bleed from backfire

[silver coral]

tried it i die quickly i prefer haspro than to be pro

[shy willow]

Major skill issue whoever said that

In the situations where backfire is a desirable option you really don't need hazpro

[subtle blade]

Hey guys,
I am currently running this setup here and pretty much followed the "first build" guide. The build feels quite satisfying overall. However, when I try to do Heroic or even Legendary content I am getting shredded.
So what should be my next steps to focus on?
Tinker a build that is better suited for Legendary missions?
Change Strikers for something else?
Farm optimization mats to mind/max stats?
Expertise farm?

I guess the latter two are more for real min-maxing and not opening up legendary content for me, right?

So any advice would be much appreciated!

[slate wedge]

• Try using an Elmo for Legendary as it has CC built into it

• Use cover more efficiently

• Use PfE mods on your build

• get your watch level up to 1k so you deal way more damage

[slate wedge]

tf is that supposed to mean lmao

[timid token]

He was saying I’m from other country lol

So I say im white

[slate wedge]

they said you might not be from an english speaking country

[timid token]

Oh know I am I’m just slow

[slate wedge]

doesn’t matter what your skin colour is tho

[timid token]

So that why I’m deeling over 500k dmg

Need get my shd lvl higher

[hazy steeple]

Just say you speak english, it's less weird.

Although with this spelling...

[timid token]

What spelling

[subtle blade]

Thanks, I do not have the Elmo, so I need to farm it. What are PfE mods?

[slate wedge]

Protection from Elite

[subtle blade]

Ah ok, thanks.

[slate wedge]

try aiming for 12% mods but 11% will be fine too

[slate wedge]

wdym 500k?

[timid token]

Uh damage

500,00

Something like that

I can send screen shot of how much I’m doing

[hazy steeple]

Focus less on outright damage being dealt, it's all in context with the build.

[hazy steeple]

Pretty standard strikers build, although how are you finding building stacks?

[timid token]

Idk

[coral talon]

@solar sable what modifiers should i use?

[solar sable]

for what

[coral talon]

this

[flint arch]

To maximize the original stat boost of a module:
Compress (desired module) Split (desired module) Nullify
To maximize a converted stat boost of a module:
Compress (desired module) Nullify Convert 1/2 (desired module, desired stat)
The order of the modifiers matter, except for Convert 1/2.

[solar sable]

look at this nerd

[flint arch]

If you don't have nullify, the following will also work to get the max stat of a module, at the cost of another module's stat:
Saturate (module you wish to sacrifice) Invert (desired module) Convert 1/2 (desired module, desired stat)

[coral talon]

alright

[frigid geode]

can you guys tell me why a guide told me to farm Strikers in Tower so i did that. but then they want me to go to countdown and set my targeted loot to strikers again??

[subtle bluff]

No...

It says you can do either or.... to farm.

[neon zealot]

double the strikers double the damage

:wesmart:

[red island]

anyone made a build with the new gear set ? or is it just bad ?
i cant find a way to make the maths work on this for now

beside having the stats stats as 6 core in all slots but no real talent otherwise

[analog mural]

people have said the new CS set can be competitive with pvp bighorn regen build so its something

so its rly viable in pvp coz u can cook up a 6 skill tier build while having lots of armor for pvp and some more weapon dmg

so a jack of all trades, master of none type shi

[subtle bluff]

It's nothing speical. Fun stuff to be done but ya

Ya it's good in PvP

[red island]

yeah i meant pve

not really doing any pvp tbh cba

[toxic frigate]

kinda bad but still useable in pve tbh

[analog mural]

just for fun, not for serious pve content like legendary or incursion

just know that it wont be a better strikers

and it wont be a better FI

[subtle bluff]

Bettter than the 2 I just played with....

[toxic frigate]

im going to cope with my HE builds on dz and i dont play conflict that much so i just dont bother with new set

[jaunty surge]

Striker chest + backpack in set instead of an Obliterate/other backpack. Yay or nay?

[soft crane]

nay

[analog mural]

you always use the strikers bp tho or u lose out on significant dmg

equalizer is for most content

strikers chest for exceptionally bullet sponges on incursion, escalation or sometimes legendary

[jaunty surge]

Backpack I always run. Chest I've been contemplating recently.

Whether obliterate or striker's chest is better...

[noble pelican]

I'd personally pick Vigilance over the Strikers BP in high difficulty content.
If you get shot you're likely healthgated anyway and the damage bonus beats the strikers BP by a tiny bit (~2-3%).

[flint arch]

it won't be better at anything tbh

[analog mural]

but that would mean u cant use exotic pieces like coyote or overdogs unless u put on strikers chest

[flint arch]

who needs overdogs anyway

PVGC Striker my beloved

[analog mural]

id pick up coyote any day for the team buff tho

[noble pelican]

What stops you from going striker mask/chest/holster/knees with VIgi backpack and exo gloves?

[mild dawn]

overdogs and shroud should have negative amp for hitting wrong targets

[flint arch]

underdogs

[analog mural]

well if u put on strikers chest on outside of anything with bullet sponges, its inconsistent

[noble pelican]

Which is why my initial comment specifically stated "high difficulty"

[flint arch]

I use striker with chest, the gift and hollow man in escalation

overdogs is not really good in high tier escalation, everyone takes too long to kill, and that tank is not going to wait for you to kill the lower tier enemies first

[noble pelican]

For reference; Toasty's Solo/Duo T10 setup.

This really only applies to Master/Legendary/Escalation and the like; In everything below that you wouldn't want to run striker chest.

[subtle bluff]

Mainly Escalation.

[lone glacier]

You should not run Striker chest in Master or Legendary..

[subtle bluff]

The build wouldn't exactly the same for Master or Leggo

[timid oyster]

Thats all i see no builds on that

[flint arch]

thats not the correct link

the link to the spreadsheet is above it

click the blue text

[noble pelican]

I've tried dropping the chest in Legendary, but playing via matchmaking meant that as long as you have a decent secondary shotgun to stack it, people are absolutely not killing fast enough to make the named chest better.

Goes the same with all builds, however; Just have stuff ready to hotswap, to fit your group.

[timid oyster]

That wouldnt load for me yesterday only the calc. It finally loaded!! Thanks tho!!!

[lone glacier]

Thats why I run it solo. Its also easier than having to rely on a party member

[red island]

does skill efficiency from core strenght get boosted by the chest talent or nah ?

[noble pelican]

I prefer to run something more tanky when I solo stuff, for consistency.
But the striker setup has been a godsend running duo's with a buddy on OD.

[lone glacier]

Tanky and legendary does not exist. You'll be healthgated no matter if you have 700k or 2.5 million armor in <4 bullets

[noble pelican]

I'm not sure what kind of builds you play, but there's multiple setups that (running solo) allow you to just basically ignore even a minigunner next to you, while you pick up ammo. lol

[red island]

yeah if u dont do damage

[lone glacier]

Bog standard striker or PVGC striker. Anything else is just boring to me.

[noble pelican]

The foundry + ninja setup still goes up to 6-7m dps; It's not a "full tank" that focuses regen/armor with a pistol, by any means.

[livid sorrel]

was gonna mention group scaling but does esca even have group scaling or do i just not notice it since they're all tanky with or without it

[ivory abyss]

I honestly have never been a fan of vigilance lol

[red island]

so, no damage

[noble pelican]

I don't like it either, outside of escalation and/or sniper builds.

[patent fossil]

Yes it has group scaling

[subtle bluff]

There are better builds than that nearly as tough but also does more DPS.

[ivory abyss]

Unless you have a ton of extra blue armor like HB builds but I just cannot stand only having damage when not being hit lol

[subtle bluff]

He talking about the last season YouTube Meta FB nbb build thing.

[noble pelican]

I've solo'd the legendary missions, master missions for drops and Esca till T6 so far, without any issues.

If you prefer to just not die at all, it's a fairly decent option; You waste more time going down once.

[ivory abyss]

Overdogs is different to me in a sense that even if you don’t follow order on average you’ll still get more damage in than most other items while paying attention

[red island]

legendaries mean nothing since grey gear can also clear it

[subtle bluff]

Not all of them.

Like zoo...

[lone glacier]

Im never doing legendary tidal ever again. That last area gave me PTSD with all the "beep beep" I heard..

[subtle bluff]

well.. I guess you could if you fall back a ton and cheese things... but then it would take like over an hour to do..

[subtle bluff]

do it with a better group.

[lone glacier]

I.. did it solo

[subtle bluff]

Ooohh.

[red island]

measured assembly is good to fight that

[ivory abyss]

I will say this. Upgrading to prototype I have noticed the improvements in escalation higher difficulty. Running T6 with randoms who also had proto was very smooth runs

[normal shadow]

Is a Tipping Scales/ Striker + LMG good enough for Legendaries in 2026? I've apparently forgotten most things about Legendaries in the time I've been away.

[noble pelican]

I've done that one yesterday for the task stuff with a buddy and two people from matchmaking and.. eventually switched to birdies on a tank build, because jesus christ.

[red island]

ofc

[ivory abyss]

Striker is good for anything lol

[normal shadow]

Is Refactor healer good enough with hotswapping Birdie's?

Or FI.

[subtle bluff]

it doable

[ivory abyss]

That I don’t know lol I don’t use those kind of builds. They don’t make my time on the game fun lol

[noble pelican]

Hard to argue with up to 180% total weapon damage.

[normal shadow]

What would you recommend for a more support build? Or is it better for everyone just go full red?

[buoyant kraken]

Which one would give the higher damage overall?

Coyote + 4 striker and ceska chest
or
Overdogs + 4 striker and ceska chest
(57% chc 143% chd with st elmo)

and I think someone said Police m4 is nearly same as lexington right? which talent do I go for it if I don't want to use st elmos?

[ivory abyss]

Yup. Tried and true

Someone posted a meme yesterday lol it was perfect. Sponge bob ole reliable meme

[subtle bluff]

Refactor, FI and EP all work

[noble pelican]

Overdogs is higher in any situation it's effect applies - by a ton.

[livid sorrel]

overdogs build, killer for solo, measured otherwise

[quiet plinth]

Are those drone/turret skill core strength builds actually decent (not good, decent as in it outputs okay damage that gets the job done but wins no awards while still giving some comfort via weapon damage and armor for people who suck like me) or are they just drastically overhyped for the community by those youtubers

[normal shadow]

I believe I've got all of them, but thinking of what is best .

[subtle bluff]

Depends on the team

[ivory abyss]

Overdogs are nice because it’s really good damage boost and you technically can set it and forget it and still get a lot out of them lol

[mild dawn]

if the group doesnt need heals then its EP and if they need heals then well...

[subtle bluff]

EP can heal..

[buoyant kraken]

Alright ty, I did switch to overdogs recently. and I noticed it has higher damage as I tested it on the targets in white house. But would coyote be better to run in group to help the group with buff?

[neon zealot]

question, do high end skill dmg builds (as in turret, drone, mines) have a place in higher lvl group play or no?

[subtle bluff]

no

[ivory abyss]

You most likely don’t need to run in groups “unless you have dedicated team” because more than likely someone else is running it anyways lol

I always have coyotes buff when grouping with randoms in anything lol

[mild dawn]

more dedicated healers vs ep heals on the side kinda deal

[neon zealot]

guess i'm farming refactor instead then

[ivory abyss]

Someone out there is rocking coyotes mask and never taking it off

[normal shadow]

So EP would do mmh burn in higher tiers? Or oxi?

[subtle bluff]

It can do enough but if it has to do more than that there other issues

[noble pelican]

I'd argue any decent Refactor build outperforms them, because all the armor core builds (the usualy Capa + Drone/Turret setup) give you isn't all that helpful, if you aren't running something that actually regens it.

You are basically just a skill build with more weapon damage and armor you can't easily utilize full without dropping one of the skills, which in turn makes the whole "more damage" aspect mood.

[subtle bluff]

Oxi isn't a Status Effect

[buoyant kraken]

thats with the galvanized talent right?

[mild dawn]

foam

[normal shadow]

Oh right.

[subtle bluff]

Look in the guide

[mild dawn]

cc in higher escalations is not good since they get immunity on low health

[quiet plinth]

A huge appeal was the fact that efficiency would cutting down on the downtime of skills big time which was a pain point that pushed me away from skill builds entirely when I tried refactor

[subtle bluff]

Playing with some strats with friends. CC and work but on EP for it just helps hold off other while focusing works... But that's more of teamwork thing..

[subtle bluff]

what exactly are you wanting from a build?

[normal shadow]

I do have a CC foam build with EP done, so I guess my question would be: what should I consider taking to Legendaries in 2026 this season, if not a full red Striker build?

[ivory abyss]

Is it just me or has a lot of people gotten lucky with hollow man mask lol everyone I see with one now because toasty. They have all red hollow man’s lol

I have never gotten one with 2 red minor attributes lol

[subtle bluff]

Again it depends on the team. Some teams can do with CC, some needs more healing, some a mix... Also your gameplay and knowledge is also important too.

[mild dawn]

simply just have the crafting blueprint

[patent fossil]

You can craft it if you farm reconstructed caches

[ivory abyss]

LOL that’s only from descent though right

[normal shadow]

So what you're saying is I need to have them all in loadouts when matchmaking. Fudge.

[subtle bluff]

I mean I do.. but also I use 2 toons...

[normal shadow]

I do have them all in loadouts, I'm just trying to optimize so I wouldn't be a bother.

[quiet plinth]

Im more just looking at other builds over time and thinking "is this worth it?" because running strikers all the time gets boring
So its less what I want from a build and more seeing if something is at baseline okay enough to justify using, then I try it and see if I like it

[mild dawn]

also retaliation

[subtle bluff]

Just make the core of the builds and try them out on heroic..

[ivory abyss]

I will have to farm those I guess lol I’m not playing descent

[livid sorrel]

How useful is pesti in escalations actually? It's my go to in leggo and master

[ivory abyss]

But broke watches don’t come easy lol I’ve done a lot of retaliation and don’t even have over 100 broken watches lol

[mild dawn]

convert the other materials into them

[ivory abyss]

Oh true that’s right

Good call. Ima do that. Because I don’t plan to craft anything anyways

I crafted tinkerer just to have and that was it lol

Are the NY kill squad caches worth a craft?

[subtle bluff]

Idk what build would be use but if you got all WD on prototypes it would get interesting.

[mild dawn]

if you want to fish for a blueprint from the ny kill squad factions

[ivory abyss]

There’s over 100 named items in the game right? So I’ll need possibly 700+ broke watches lol in hopes to get hollow man mask

[hexed steppe]

was there any other sources for hollowman bp? im sure i had it before reconstructed caches were a thing

[frozen hull]

Man haha trying to roll this investor mask for all reds is rough out here in these streets ahha

[ivory abyss]

I’m willing to grind retaliation for a few weeks for materials if needed lol I will get this hollow man blueprint

It’s rewarding enough

I get usually 2 levels or so per run plus exotic caches and stuff which is nice

[subtle bluff]

wait what?

[hexed steppe]

ive had this forever, before reconstructed caches were a thing. i wasnt sure if there was another source...

[subtle bluff]

oh

[ivory abyss]

999 is the cap for shd broken watches too right

[red island]

i had it in reconstructed cache too

[prisma ruin]

Hollow Man also drops in named caches that you can buy with countdown credits, i got mine from there

[hexed steppe]

i posted a blueprint, not the item

[prisma ruin]

ohhhh my bad

[hexed steppe]

all good

[merry stone]

trying to optimize my build, is overdogs the better options now vs coyote mask?

[ivory abyss]

I just checked I only have 42 yaahl fabrics lol might need to change watch points for credits and buy the backpack at the vendor lol

Unless I can get yaahl TL in the dz

[hexed steppe]

you wont ever see yaahl in target loot. is yaahl for sale this week at clan vendor or something?

[soft crane]

yeh

[hexed steppe]

best 6mil you can spend then. load up

[ivory abyss]

Yup I’m about to grind shd levels and also sell everything instead of deconstructing

I was deconstructing for materials for expertise but that’s done now so time to credit farm

[soft crane]

But I dont have clan.

[hexed steppe]

so many open clans, just need to join one

[soft crane]

Ah right.

[noble pelican]

Do we have a list of useful / meta modifier combos for this season?

[ivory abyss]

Yeah there is one floating around

[noble pelican]

Ah, found the general idea: #td2-build-advice message

[sullen night]

You can go to the clan organizer in the white house and just join an open clan, just look for one that has "open" as their recruitment status, don't even have to talk anyone 😅

[soft crane]

Ok thanks

[ancient onyx]

I wanna ask does difficulty im summit affect the rewards? Im trying to farm memento and i dont know if it affects it

[subtle bluff]

Yes... But CD farm would be faster and more chances..

[tawdry flare]

Hey @hexed steppe when did you become a mod

[hexed steppe]

quite a while ago now

[frigid geode]

is there a point to wearing more then 4 pieces of a set?

[soft crane]

No, why?

[frigid geode]

cuz it goes up to 6 pieces yet the set only requires 4

[soft crane]

Well, no. You fill it with a brandset or exotic.

If you're wearing 4 pieces of gearset including the chest and backpack pieces, an exotic, and a unique named piece like Turmoil, you can have 5 talents running in total.

Make it 7 if you use Tinkerer exotic mask cuz it'll trigger both talents from your primary weapons.

[sterile chasm]

so im newer to the game so this may be a dumb question but why would I want to make more then one exotic or get more the one armor piece for a build? do they have different or better stats?

[soft crane]

Exotic items are all about utility.

Almost every builds use exotics.

[hexed steppe]

1 exotic saved for all an agents builds is ok (like 1 of each).
highend/gearset pieces could be rolled with different attributes and may want to save a couple different versions

[sterile chasm]

I guess my big question is like for example if I got Shroud x 5 times. Would they be different, or even armor like Harriers pride (for example)? I know on armor there's the red, yellow, and blue things for armor, skill, and dmg which im still figuring out but im not sure beyond that if it changes like weapon stats or armor stats.

[soft crane]

Oh so you're talking about attributes. Their sub attributes may vary for weapons and core attributes are fixed.

[hexed steppe]

hunters fury is a good example where you would have a set rolled with crit, and another set rolled with headshot damage since both are applicable to different build/weapon types

[soft crane]

Most exotic gears has fixed sub attributes i think.

[sterile chasm]

I'm using the Rigger set currently but I don't have an exotic, I'm assuming i'd want to role the yellow attribute on that?

[hexed steppe]

youll want to visit the pinned spreadsheet. we have alot of build guides

rigger isnt a great set, but is ok for skills. youll leave it yellow cored

[sterile chasm]

it's nice for the turrent and drone but yeahhh I'm still figuring out the post 40 levels.

[soft crane]

I dont think thats a good gearset. Imo you should at least have one meta DPS build which is the Striker's Battlegear.

[sterile chasm]

I'm 14 levels I think into SHD level if that gives you any idea where i'm at?

[soft crane]

Yeah of course.

[subtle bluff]

You mean bad… 3pc refactor out does rigger all together. Lol

[hexed steppe]

you good bro, we all started from the bottom. the pinned sheet has some comprehensive guides thatll put you on great footing

[hexed steppe]

for a rookie, its better than random gear

[subtle bluff]

Fair

[hexed steppe]

which is usually the case

[sterile chasm]

ah cool! so the video I was watching from this guy Tux was right. farming exotics I wanted from Countdown. looking at the level 40 guide now.

[soft crane]

• 4 pieces of Strikers including the backpack
• Ceska for chest piece since you're obviously lacking in Critical hit Chance and the talent is Obliterate.
• One last slot should be for an exotic item like Coyote, Tinkerer, Overdogs, etc. But for now I guess you can use Unit Alloy brand.

Focus on raising your critical hit chance. 55% should do then you can focus on your critical hit damage.

[hexed steppe]

well basics videos on yt are pretty safe. we shy away from build videos because there is a good chance of clickbait with a subpar build

[hazy steeple]

Having said that: do not trust puzzle hunter guides from YT.

[soft crane]

Thats a YouTuber?

[hazy steeple]

No, I mean the Hunters that are around DC/NYC/Brooklyn that drop a special mask and key for the Hunter Chest.

[soft crane]

Ooh you mean open world hunters lmao. Shoot havent done that in years now.

[sterile chasm]

Awesome, last question before I got to work. How does countdown work with exotics, if I choose I want like a St Elmos? (I have had one, so I choose like AR's) is it just a chance to get one.

[hexed steppe]

puzzle hunter, is best yter

[hazy steeple]

I've been subbed to them since 2016, puzzle hunter needs an ingame statue.

[soft crane]

Yeah targeted loot assault rifle is your best bet. Besides, Countdown gives you countdown point which you can buy exotic cache. Elmo is in the general lootpool so shouldnt be too hard to get it.

[hexed steppe]

basically yeah. any exotic you are targeting you will target the type, weapon or gear.

[soft crane]

If you're looking for an exotic, might want to ask first whether its in the general lootpool or not before you starts farming.

[sterile chasm]

ah ok, so I should be able to get that ceska chest piece and striker maybe at the same time then

[soft crane]

Yeh

[hexed steppe]

youll target each on separate runs

[soft crane]

Who knows if he gets lucky.

Hhhhhhh

[sterile chasm]

Oh. I thought I’d target chest pieces and it’s random drops?

[neon zealot]

inefficient way of doing it, but sure

[lone violet]

CS META ON ESCALATION 10 MUST USE🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[hazy steeple]

Think of it this way; if you target chests, you have a chance for every single chest in the game to drop, from every brand+gearset.
vs just the items from that particular brand.

[sterile chasm]

Oh is that what it’ll ask? Brands too. I can specifically target striker if I wanted

[soft crane]

There are more than 20 brands and only 6 kinds of pieces.

Mask, Chest, Holster, Backpack, Gloves, and Kneepads.

[soft crane]

Striker is a gearset btw.

[hazy steeple]

34 brands that can drop in the LZ, that's not even counting gearsets, exotics, or named items.

[sterile chasm]

I’m confused, what does countdown allow me to select (I’ve never done it)

[lone violet]

I was kinda disappointed that the reg wasn’t part of the kill squad loot pool

[hazy steeple]

In "Targeted Loot" (TL), you can select each brand, gearset, and "type".
Countdown/Retaliation/Summit all let you pick the TL.

[sterile chasm]

So I can pick Striker then if I wanted?

[soft crane]

Yes.

[sterile chasm]

Nice.

I see also it’s a 4-8 player activity that can be done solo. Is it awful if I were to do it on normal?

[soft crane]

Good luck getting the right sub attributes for your chest piece. CHC and CHD btw.

[hazy steeple]

@sterile chasm Don't try and run it on solo, just "matchmake" for Challenging.

[sterile chasm]

oh even better

wait, I managed to snag 3 friends on the sale. With they scale with me on this? (They’re like level 15ish)

[lone violet]

I’m going to try coco pestil and on retal imma let you know how it goes

[hazy steeple]

AFAIK you have to be max level to play Countdown.

[sterile chasm]

Oh right, I think that’s one of the things I didn’t have in the outskirts of my map until I got black tusk on my map and level 40

[soft crane]

Need to be level 40 then transfer to SHD level to play in countdown

[sterile chasm]

rip, matchmaking for now it is

[soft crane]

If your friends have Brooklyn DLC, they can just boost their level to 40 right away but gonna miss all the stories.

[livid sorrel]

actually the best gear set for it tbh

[hazy steeple]

Countdown is basically the premium loot farm in div2, so you'll get teams running it all the time.
The only things you have to know for Countdown are:

1. stay with the group.
2. either gets lots of kill, or play the objective where the group is.
3. don't use turrets/hives/drones at the very start, and very end of Countdown.

You'll get the hang of it fast. It'll click for ya.

[sage prawn]

Why shouldn't you use Drones ect and the beginning and end?

[hazy steeple]

The special NPC's there (Hunters), can hack your tech and turn it hostile.

[sage prawn]

ooohh!

[hazy steeple]

They have this icon over their head

[sage prawn]

Noted 😄 Thanks for explaining

[soft crane]

Almost got killed by a hacked striker drone today bruh.

[livid sorrel]

number 1 countdown run killer, followed by spending too much time in vip

[hazy steeple]

[soft crane]

I also saw a hacked stinger hive. What is wrong with people?

[hazy steeple]

The game doesn't actually explain this lol.

it's super not people's fault.

[inland hound]

People are probably just trying to level up proficiency and using any skills.

[soft crane]

Btw, do Hunters outside countdown able to hack into deployed skills as well?

[hazy steeple]

Yep!
just hunters though, not Rogues.

[sage prawn]

Yepp, I had absolutely zero clue until I saw this chat

[soft crane]

Wonder when it became a thing.

[livid sorrel]

Sometimes i wish countdown had rogues just for a change

[hazy steeple]

@soft crane Always.

[soft crane]

Pretty sure they cant during the early years. Fr?

[hazy steeple]

Fun fact: the Hunters in Countdown don't count for objectives to kill Hunters.
they do, however, count for Black Tusk Elite kills. 👽

[sage prawn]

Does anyone have a build site that people tend to go..so many out there!, Somewhere that explains the mechanics ect..

[soft crane]

What about the hacked skills. As in, if the skill is tier 6, its gonna carry over?

[hazy steeple]

If you're asking about Tier 6 vs Overcharged, the latter isn't just Tier 7.

[hazy steeple]

there's a "spreadsheet 2", 📌 pinned in this channel with a bunch of meta setups our math nerds have worked out.

[sage prawn]

Thank you 😄

[soft crane]

No i mean, if a Hunter hacks your striker drone and its tier 6, is it gonna carry over and deal much more damage?

[hazy steeple]

I don't use gear around Hunters enough to check, but I'd assume so.

[soft crane]

Ah ok