td2-build-advice

[analog mural]

ya but put that in cs

[flint arch]

if you're going to use CS, you might as well use memento

counter strike gear set

[analog mural]

the bp giving 0 change to the talent has to be the worst piece ever holy shit

[flint arch]

i hate how it makes ninjabike bag look better

[analog mural]

and thats still a low bar

[livid sorrel]

i guess the backpack gives 3 of each core if you want to use a different exotic

[flint arch]

that's how bad NBB is in PVE. the bar needs to be set so low just for it to win lmao

[analog mural]

pretty much mandatory to use any bp with 3 core on CS but like if im being honest i played with full yellow CS for 1-2 CD matches and i instantly got bored

hybrid? i only got a shield and a capacitor that still shoots peanuts

survivability? i guess i can tank some more bullets

dps? time to go back to strikers because being a bullet hose is more satisfying

[flint arch]

the best part about the survivability from CS is that it becomes progressively useless once you leave heroic

you are not bringing that shit into t10 escalation

on something like master and legendary, you will be mediocre at everything and will more often than not just become deadweight

[analog mural]

when a healer build surprisingly does a better job at helping your teammates "tank" bullets and deal more damage to enemies

[flint arch]

i know a tank user that would work better than a CS user in leggo and i used to dislike tanks

now i have a very conditional interest towards tanks

[analog mural]

counter strike players

[flint arch]

defuse the bomb missile launcher in tidal basin

[livid sorrel]

i wouldnt trust most randoms with a tank build

[flint arch]

that's why i said very conditional

[smoky latch]

Go B

[plush thistle]

heartbreaker build recommendation?

[livid sorrel]

just use striker
overdogs and ceska/unit vigilance backpack

[magic pilot]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aubfoadB-JMJ0idZJTViIhWNyTkT68EqMFeHjTPz61E/edit?usp=sharing

agitator seems pretty strong

[plush thistle]

is that at me? and i do have a striker all red build i mean if you got something else i can use you'd recommend building i'm down so far i have OD, Striker, Hot Shot and i somewhat started eclipse protocol but i need to look into how to use it correctly as i'm failing at it lol

[magic pilot]

vigi is only 1% stronger than striker bp and thats not considering uptime

[livid sorrel]

they were asking about hb

[magic pilot]

ah thought you meant striker

id stay away from HB, the stacking still has issues

[livid sorrel]

hb is honestly just a weaker striker with more steps

[willow sigil]

why play hb like striker?

[neon zealot]

HB would be neat if the laser pointer thing actually worked half the time

[magic pilot]

striker the most effective way to play besides nego and HH

[plush thistle]

gotchu nego as in negotiator dilemma? however you spell it and what is HH? i checked the list but didn't see a match sorry for my questions

[solar sable]

Headhunter for One-shot builds

[plush thistle]

is that different from hot shot?

[solar sable]

it enters the same category, HH

[livid sorrel]

headhunter is a chest talent

[plush thistle]

oh from chainkiller gotchu

guess ill take a negotiator dilemma recommendation then i don't have that one yet if someone has one they think is fun

[livid sorrel]

just take striker and swap out the pieces for nego tbh

[magic pilot]

or equalizer

[plush thistle]

1st pic is that chest the uh the sacrifice?

[magic pilot]

yea

[plush thistle]

what gun is your primary? 2ndary is a m249 B? and pistol is orbit what do you use orbit for as im assuming you already have 60% chc so is it just more damage to use for the chd after killing an enemy?

and ty ill give this a shot be a bit interesting to see how this goes

[solar sable]

most likely Proto Lexi

[plush thistle]

oh i heard about it but dont have thats from division 1 and you have to get it some fancy way right?

[solar sable]

original way is to wait for Stretch Goals at the end of the season but rn you can gamble your way to get one on Escalation as Prototype

[plush thistle]

wait it can drop as a prototype straight up?

[flint arch]

i love gambling

[solar sable]

yup, idk if it still drops god rolled and a random proto augment as usual

[plush thistle]

well i would like one regardless of what proto it gets as its one of the best ar's still no?

[solar sable]

just 4% better than a Police M4 but... yeah
its called "the best weapon in the game" bc of ytbers and people who dont know better

[plush thistle]

well i did say one of the best ok xD but ya itd be nice to try out at some point ill have to put that on hold thou as i gotta perfect these builds still need more shd as i'm not 1k yet only hit 750 today with a level 12 expertise

[solar sable]

oh I didnt mean to point at you with that, nonono

[plush thistle]

lol your good doomz no offense taken i knew what ya meant

so i'm looking at the model 700 and white death toe to toe same everything and the only difference is this base damage and headshot damage does the fall off make a big difference want to confirm before upgrading gun to 12

[solar sable]

Expertise? dont push it tbh

[magic pilot]

secondary is MG5

[plush thistle]

why do you say that? is there something i missed

[solar sable]

dont waste your mats on expertise yet, you need them for optimizing which is far more important than Expertise itself

[plush thistle]

ooh ok ty

[lunar imp]

how do negotiators dilemma and strikers compare? i’ve only ever played with strikers

[wicked echo]

so im playing Brooklyn DLC. what do i keep for builds. or should like finish the story first then farm stuff ?

[plush thistle]

hot shot is perfected well at least all the stats are maxed besides my watch and nemesis/shroud/mantis but those last 3 i care less maxing atm as there mainly finishers or survival uses; my OD isn't completely done but i primarly use hot shot so thats why i'm asking about the sniper rifle to help achieve that damage maximum

[wicked echo]

also the SHD level can i respec it later ?

[solar sable]

totally different gearsets

[plush thistle]

the watch shd cannot be respec'd if thats what your asking

[solar sable]

no, watch points cannot be changed after confirming

[wicked echo]

so i need to choose wisely 😶‍🌫️

[solar sable]

go White Death then

[solar sable]

CHC, HSD, Hazpro and Reload speed first, trust me

[analog mural]

eventually when u get to shd 1000 u will max all of them but u should probably invest into some important stats first

[plush thistle]

chc is my first pick for red, armor is my 1st pick for blue, reload is my 1st green and haste is my 1st pick yellow personally if asked lol

[solar sable]

hazpro is more important than total armor in all honesty

[analog mural]

yoo w choice

[wicked echo]

whats hazpro ?

[lunar imp]

fr?

[analog mural]

essentially resistance to all status effects

[solar sable]

hazard protection

[lunar imp]

i speccd all into armor

[plush thistle]

haz for sure helps with status effects

[wicked echo]

also chc is critical hit chance right ?

[solar sable]

yes

[analog mural]

i guess its debatable but +10% armor aint gonna do shit while +10% hzp is just good coz too many status effects

[magic pilot]

nego is good for target rich environments with tanky enemies, like the 2 marauders at the end of Roosevelt.

[lunar imp]

i’ll move onto haz then now

[wicked echo]

thanks guys really appreciate the help

[lunar imp]

i’ve been running striker too long

[plush thistle]

the only reason i picked armor was i was running 4 piece hotshot gives armor regen i been running hot shot for far too long lol

[wicked echo]

onr last thing do i max them one by one or spread the pionts between the four

[analog mural]

max 1 attribute then work on another

u dont want to be stuck with 2.5% chc until lvl 1000

[pure sinew]

what kind of build is good for ravenous

[plush thistle]

i'd say thats kinda debatable like if your chc is 60% already and your stuggling with damage you could do chd but the flip side to sticking with chc is you can swap an armor stat to chd instead of chc so up to you on that part

[buoyant perch]

It's a niche weapon just for armor plate. Not for general use.

[analog mural]

id prefer +10% chc( cant remember if it was 10 or 5)

probably 5 but id prefer that over just dmg because lots of talents rely on crit

[runic thicket]

my striker build has like 58% crit chance and 75% something crit damage

[plush thistle]

10%

[analog mural]

oh yea 10 chc is significant

its like having coyote mid-range buff 24/7

[plush thistle]

you could just use a ceska chest thou until you get that equalizer so i mean thats what i was refering to

[analog mural]

atp we just slap equalizer on

[plush thistle]

lol you absolutely can early on ceska helps a lot thou once your ready to swap got resources, shd, and most of your weapons/armor set up by all means

[analog mural]

yuh but like early game i had a massive headache trying to get ceska with crit rolls or obliterate already rolled on it

i tried 1 match of countdown and i already got an equalizer with at least 1 crit stat rolled on it so i just rerolled the other one

[plush thistle]

rng gods said you get this instead lol

[analog mural]

seriously equalizer is much much easier to get due to the guaranteed red core + perfect obliterate

[gentle lichen]

Equaliser competes with ceska and even wins out against an obliterate ceska when your build isn't crit starved like when using memento

[hazy steeple]

Even if you went for a gearset+memento setup, Equaliser is still a decent-ish choice with how much of a boost it is.
the points from the SHD watch help a lot.

e.g. Striker + Equa + Overdogs is considered one of the "meta combos."

[plush thistle]

i was just looking at the whole when you start as its just the last 2 pieces that cause the chc drop

and servers down whelp i could use a break

[plush thistle]

equalizer is amazing its hard for me to swap it with anything on striker technically if ones good enough sacrifice is good but i just ain't that person haha

[hazy steeple]

Sacrifice is great, but I mainly use it these days for skill combos.
I don't wanna admit how long it took to get that godroll for it. Oof.

[plush thistle]

ironically doomz said i should get one so i got one not even 30 minutes later and only had to optimize it twice lol and it was cause i suck with it need to make a turret/drone build to use it i think

[hazy steeple]

It's honestly just a matter of practice. You already go down so fast from taking shots in regular play at Heroic+, that Sacrifice's Talent doesn't do a whole lot to boost that.

Just don't tell anyone I said a nice thing about Sacrifice. I've got a reputation to uphold.

@last jacinth You can find a hand down in #lfg-playstation, when the maintenance is over

[flint arch]

people don't like The Sacrifice?

[mild dawn]

big scary 60% amp damage taken

[flint arch]

oooooo big scary, no survivability, oooooo

[mild dawn]

ooo i got healthgated 1 bullet faster than without it oooo

[flint arch]

how will i survive without my CS + NBB build oooo

[fickle sparrow]

im looking to make core strength healer build using birdie packpack....prob for nothing stronger than heroic....is it viable? 3pc core and birdie is a must...how else would you make the build...what other 2 pcs and what cores and minors?

[flint arch]

okay this is a joke, sacrifice basically has no benefit over equalizer nowadays and i understand why people don't like dying 60% faster

[shy willow]

Ay there's no ramp up

[flint arch]

oh yeah i forgot

[shy willow]

Anddd it's a unique amp

[analog mural]

but u die from a sneeze

[flint arch]

and that too

[shy willow]

Andddd it applies to ALL outgoing damage

It do have a fair bit of benefits but obviously it's a very risky item

[flint arch]

But also, the drawbacks of PGC kinda gets less pronounced beyond Heroic

Because if you're running full red, you get health gated within 4 bullets or so in Legendary

[shy willow]

Die in a sneeze no matter what you run there

[buoyant perch]

Escalation tier 10 represents

[lone glacier]

catharsis full blue striker

[flint arch]

And if you're doing Escalation, you get health gated when you graze your arm on the concrete

[analog mural]

wtf

[flint arch]

So at that point, why not just use PGC

[shy willow]

Health gate best tank build

[mild dawn]

reported for gore

[shy willow]

The only gate I support

[flint arch]

Best tanky build with amazing DPS

[analog mural]

dies from catching a cold (status effect)

[shy willow]

Instant kits can save you from those now

Basically the only thing they're good for cuz why else would you waste an armour kit

[open sail]

chat, would striker be a best choice for DPS sub tank build?

[lone glacier]

Striker is pure DPS

[open sail]

oh

[dreamy valve]

Has anyone used both Sacrifice and Blacklist in Escalation?

[noble pelican]

"Sub Tank" also makes very little sense.

You can add tiny layers of protection to a dps build (or something like Exodus), but you're pretty much always better off getting used to mechanical advantages for survivability if your goal is high dps.

Tanks really only make sense if you can either heavily CC, keep your team alive, or both - in stuff like legendary/master missions.

[open sail]

i wanna a tank build that can push their own weight, i do not want to be a sitting duck with not enough DPS

[shy willow]

Whether or not they can pull weight depends on what content you're playing

As opposed to the build

[open sail]

hmm

[flint arch]

you can't do both

you can be a tank, you can be a DPS, but try to do both and you'll just be dead weight

[noble pelican]

You can get ~70-80% of the dps a pure-dps build has, while still being fairly tanky.
In the end that's still a ~20-30% dps loss making your team slower and only yourself safer, however.

In my personal experience it can be very worth it to go that route if you matchmake a lot (heroic retal/countdown, master/legendary missions and such), because you trade a bit of clear time vs consistency in clearing.

In general when farming stuff, there's no point in running it however.

[flint arch]

and also, tanks have a lot less utility in this game

[open sail]

ok fair point

[lone glacier]

If you want to support your team, go FI Healer, CC with EP or something like that.

[open sail]

honestly i wanna to try firewall with striker build. prob a bad idea but ye

[lone glacier]

The shield is just gonna poof out of existence honestly

[flint arch]

there are very few situations where you can get use out of the striker shield, incursion is one of those

[open sail]

i'll not use striker shield if i am going DPS

[broken tangle]

refactor is really good support for matchmake legendary or heroic if the team is clueless

[open sail]

sorry if i am being dense here

[flint arch]

personally i just use gunner for the passive ammo generation and 10% AoK

[noble pelican]

I've had a ton of fun running Shocker Punch + Elmo with 4x Foundry and Lavoisier, purely going for offensive subs lately as well.

Backpack has no CD, so every single time you shock with Elmo, or melee (15s CD, 5m AoE shock) you give everyone else in 30m range roughly ~1.1m armor, while face-tanking master/legendary stuff.

[lone glacier]

Thats what this channel is here for. We try to help. Its up to you to use the information we provide

[broken tangle]

tried the refactor with all yellow investor last night, godmode for team

[flint arch]

the one tank player i like

[lone glacier]

full red striker is the best tank

[flint arch]

no i was more referring to the guy who ran right to the door

also ignore my braindead usage of backfire, i forgot to spam reload 3 times

[lone glacier]

backfire privileges revoked

[flint arch]

i don't use it that often anyway

[noble pelican]

You could say that.. backfired.

[open sail]

with investor mask right?

[lone glacier]

Overdogs gloves

[mild dawn]

something being new doesnt make it automatically best in slot

[noble pelican]

Even with 3x red on the Investor, you wouldn't run it over any of the addded modifiers like Overdogs. lol

[open sail]

o

[lone glacier]

full red investor is better than Coyotes iirc

[flint arch]

i just saw the opportunity to recreate one part of this clip so i switched to backfire @lone glacier

[loud sleet]

Here ya go

[lone glacier]

[flint arch]

im exploding

[noble pelican]

Isn't this only tier 6.. if you keep the pistol in hand?

[loud sleet]

Dem it happens

[loud sleet]

Nope I use technician

Dw that is an meme build just for testing the power and it is mid imo

[flint arch]

it's still just 5 tiers unless you use mechanical animal

[noble pelican]

Yeah, with 4 yellows, meaning T5 without the +1 from pistol.

[mild dawn]

brazos + ninja = skill tier

[noble pelican]

Oh, that's what i was missing, yea.

[flint arch]

oh yeah i forgot

[lone glacier]

missing a mod in the memento good sir

[flint arch]

i barely used picaros anyway, only time i used it was for my brief visits to the DZ when I was around SHD 400

i ganked people that didn't even know you had to go rogue before you could murder players still in SHD status

and two of them had a contaminated pesti, which i stole, extracted, and left in my mailbox to rot forever

[subtle bluff]

You need to play with me on tech tank.

[loud sleet]

Yeah fixed that then but it works on challenging

[subtle bluff]

Which I haven't pulled out on leggo for a very long time..

[noble pelican]

The secret tech: Escape before your team goes down.

[flint arch]

but sir you still haven't carried me in kelso manhunt yet

[noble pelican]

That's a.. very low bar to hit lol

[subtle bluff]

KAY

[flint arch]

actually i chickened out and just crafted the birdie's

now i just need to clear my ftc incursion status

[loud sleet]

It is

[flint arch]

THIS NEW META CORE STRENGTH BUILD SHREDS
-# challenging

[noble pelican]

I just saw a YT short about a "Solo Master" build with "Oh god, 1.6 MILLION ARMOR" and "YOu never go down".

The gameplay in the background was someone tanking the boss with Mosquito, while the author of the "guide" unloads like 6 mags into it. lol

[flat stirrup]

how long does down time normally last?

[flint arch]

div 2 yt is a scourge

[lone glacier]

25m dps, 3m armor build!!111

[flint arch]

a health gated full red standard striker user is the best tanky build with damage

infinite "armor", shreds t10 escalation!!1!!!

[loud sleet]

So crazy

Me and my friend tested out an pretty okay ish bettersweet build it gives around 6.6M armor with full stacks

[noble pelican]

It's what 99% of the people in my groups play.

99% of them however still manage to not only not deal the expected damage, they also don't even know what health gating is. lol

[flint arch]

[loud sleet]

I'm happy that Im not the damage guy I'm the useful support

As example in CD with refactor support I make around 500-700m damage and 500-600m healing

[lone glacier]

I had a guy running refactor in my CD runs... drone and turret instantly hacked by a hunter

[open sail]

hunter the walking EMP

[noble pelican]

"Enemy sniper turret detected" flashbacks to heroic countdown..

[loud sleet]

Yeah hunters are the sad part there but otherwise it works like a charm

[mild dawn]

pvp with extra steps

[strong cave]

Occasionally when I get the annoying player, I intentionally look for nearby hazards and enemies that go boom boom in close proximity to them. I'll intentionally shoot the hazards and boom booms, forcing them to go down

Additionally if I'm running DPS and pulling aggro, I'll stand directly behind any agents being dead weight. The enemies accidentally shoot them instead of me since I'm standing directly behind the agent

[toxic frigate]

I'm still curious on how much dmg and heal if you running on Bittersweet PS + Picaro

Probably not that good

[strong cave]

The damage on bittersweet is very reliant on headshots, which good luck hitting those consistently on an inaccurate rifle

[undone ginkgo]

nasty

[merry stone]

i have to tell people to not use skills that can be hacked 😒 one guy was using healer mine and kept healing the hunters

[noble pelican]

Protip; You can use Mosquito during the Master mission for Tempest (forgot the name) to aggro the immune boss with the giant turret and then just play catch with teammates!

[merry stone]

anyways how does core strength work?? and how do u build it??

[strong cave]

So shoot their skills Everytime you see the hunter hacking symbol

[strong cave]

Wouldnt recommend core strength for pve

[grim bluff]

Blackout Pulse is so nice for Countdown too

[strong cave]

It's plaguing pvp right now

[strong cave]

I just status abuse the hunters lol

[noble pelican]

"I can't believe this AR WRECKS"

[grim bluff]

That too yeah, Scorpio is fantastic

[noble pelican]

I really need to just block all CC's like this.

[strong cave]

Hazpro eclipse foam works great as well

[gaunt chasm]

wow so much dmg

[strong cave]

By the time they spit 500k damage striker will have already did 100x more than that

[gaunt chasm]

[noble pelican]

I'm still salty about Ravenous..
Such a beautiful but pointless weapon.

[flint arch]

Is an absolute wreck more like

[grim bluff]

We love clickbait slop 🙏

[noble pelican]

And then there's videos coming my way like "Solo Tier 10 (Max Tier) Escalation Potomac Event Center - The Division 2"

Can i just get more of those instead.

[dull parcel]

Seeing this kind of video title feels like witnessing prehistoric humans discovering fire

[flint arch]

Toastey the goat 🔥 🐐 🗣️

[dull parcel]

"OMG GUYS, THIS BUILD IS INSANE"

demonstrate with story difficulty mission

[noble pelican]

I did T3 solo only so far and already thought that was.. uncomfortable.
Good to know T10 is possible.

Granted, i did the mission with the god damn zeppelin.

[flint arch]

i hate brooklyn missions tbh

i like the map but shit like art museum makes me rather use a foundry bulwark build unironically

[noble pelican]

Duo runs with a buddy on Ongoing+Bluescreen, while I'm running Foundry/Shock/Elmo with Lavoisier has honestly made any missions easy so far.

[flint arch]

[subtle bluff]

Saw someone showing off his dmg on hard on FB...

[lone glacier]

Ill make a video about a "meta" build and Ill showcase it on story difficulty tidal

[gaunt chasm]

[dull parcel]

let em

[mild dawn]

thank you for coming to my ted talk

[weak quail]

I feel the same way with the incineration turret, even with exuro set, it’s barely usable and im running it with pyromaniac ar and the exotic lmg lung or what’s it’s called. Been using a lot of stuff to take advantage of the tripled proficiency gains but this just sucks 🤣

[lone glacier]

I'll add to this:

Do you play PvP? No -> Dismantle
Do you play PvE? Yes -> Dismantle

[mild dawn]

pvp players have been thirsty for updates, a finger on the monkey's paw curls

[queen kraken]

So what does the oxidiser to to yellow bars ? Do they have some sort of shield I have to take down first ?

[grizzled garnet]

Nuh uh. Proficiency grinder first

[shy willow]

?

[noble pelican]

2 more hours till I have to leave and this is just staring at me.

[noble pelican]

It's kinda sad that a set build around hybrid builds is somehow bad enough that it only provides a tiny side grade to some builds, while just being worse in most cases.

[mild dawn]

9-ish minutes and the maintenance has been extended by 2 hours hits

[ivory abyss]

It got extended?

[mild dawn]

not yet

should be done in a few but its always 50/50 if its extended or not

[ivory abyss]

I hope it doesn’t lol. What are they fixing? The prototype glitch where you have to relog to see what it really changed into?

[nimble moss]

Not this one yet, it's "on the list". Not sure what they are actually fixing though xd

[mild dawn]

"Fixing an issue that can unintentionally alter gear values and progression. We are prioritizing this fix to prevent wider impact and maintain fair play."
reads like there was an exploit or very big oopsie

[ivory abyss]

What altered gear values lol I didn’t even know that was happening tbh

[nimble moss]

I'd think about it too yeah. I've seen a guy by inspecting who had 4 pieces of prototypes and all were max stats - which is almost undoable unless you had the mats for like 400 lvl up or an incredible RNG.
But idk.

Or unless he just did it and didn't DC lol

[frozen hull]

Does investors come in different combos ?

Mine has a weird set up which is why I ask

[lone glacier]

It can roll most attributes

[frozen hull]

Is it even worth farming for a specific set up

Mine is blue core with some yellow attributes I can’t remember which it might have a red one too

[subtle bluff]

Not all but very close

[noble pelican]

Maint is over!

[frozen hull]

Is the mask good or is it exotic mats ?

[noble pelican]

Best-case it's a better coyote (if you only coutn yourself). There's better options for dps however.

[frozen hull]

If it’s not better than my overdogs for a red core then it’s probably exotic mats to me ahha

[subtle bluff]

@lone glacier
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GG-levHauyWoB3Ozzz63YscNiVMu69OEOXAMzG4nYos/edit?usp=sharing

[noble pelican]

Overdogs are drastically better if you can make use of their effect.

[subtle bluff]

even at half uptime it beat pretty much everything else.

[frozen hull]

Oof that’s a lot of combos

[subtle bluff]

At some leggo and master section it can be worse due to things.

[subtle bluff]

I didn't make this someone did it..

[frozen hull]

That’s cool that’s just a lot of potential options … re rolling sounds like a nightmare haha

[noble pelican]

Yes and no; It's more average dmg, but less situational damage.
There's definitely missions where you wouldn't want to run them.

[subtle bluff]

Some of it's is just goofy...

[subtle bluff]

I've been lazy the whole last season and never took them off and I've carry plenty of leggo missions.

[frozen hull]

Yeah I can see it being a good gear piece for not bothering to worry about any kind of steps to take while wearing it

[livid sorrel]

finally a use for tanks

[frozen hull]

Maybe I’ll re roll it a few times and see if I get lucky

[stuck escarp]

I’ve just hit lvl 40 and I wanna run an lmg build, what do I do?

[frozen hull]

Tipping scales is a fun lmg build .. they have a pinned message with build loadouts here

[noble pelican]

It makes sense if you know spawns and there's nothing blocking you from gaining the 30% on say a boss, yea.

In Heroic for example, the actual enemies spawning (not their spots) are changing and you don't actually know where the red you want to kill, actually spawns from. Escalations goes the same way on higher tiers.

[weak quail]

It destroys their armor so until their armor is gone it looks like they take no damage. As soon as the armor is gone it starts eating their health. People mostly use it for challenges that require destroying all the armor of the basilisk and one other iirc.

[soft crane]

#td2-build-advice message

4 pieces of Striker including the backpack, named Unit Alloy chest piece Equalizer with perfect Obliterate talent, Overdogs exotic glove, and Gunner specialization.

Focus on raising your CHC to 55% then the rest to CHD.

[stuck escarp]

Thanks man👑👑

[soft crane]

🤨

[subtle bluff]

Heroics I can't recall where there's a section that it's would be an issue even that includes escalation since it's just heroic.
Legendary and Master sure.

But you also have to remember we've leggo long before overdogs, equalizer, high exp for a long time now.

[subtle bluff]

Here go find the guide.

[noble pelican]

The issue exists in most situations, because not knowing where enemies actually spawn from, means more time the perk isn't utilized at all.

You can obviously just run them and benefit from them whenever you can, just like you can clear without them. I'm just not a fan of presenting them as "Always the highest dmg option".

[subtle bluff]

Moot point.

[strong cave]

This a KVD video?

I don't watch div build videos but that title tells me it's who I think it is...

[strong cave]

I mostly just do it to force them to leave if my vote to remove gets denied

I'll also be devious and start a revive if they're down and I'll cancel it and restart it so they can't willingly end themselves. They have no choice but to alt f4

[gaunt chasm]

yes

[strong cave]

Figured

[hexed steppe]

Nego can help with uptime since you can just mark the high tier enemies and transfer that amped damage while focusing the low tiers.
Negodogs is

[odd perch]

Is the refactor chest better or worse than a DPS perk for solo play? Trying to finish out this build before moving onto the next one.

[hexed steppe]

Worst. Refactor heals will already be strong af without it. Go for the damage talent

[noble pelican]

You shouldn't need even more healing, yea.

And more damage from a different piece still translates into more healing as well.

[odd perch]

Sounds good I'll build it out like that. Thanks

[hazy geode]

what is the best way to get the ravenous rifle

[odd perch]

NGL none of these builds using a build tool is triggering me enough to input them all into a build tool for links...

[noble pelican]

Fastest and most reliable will be heroic BT retals + crafting it.

[hazy geode]

how do i do those

[grizzled loom]

Same as normal retals just you have to do black tusk activities

[odd perch]

Retal=Retaliation if you are not tracking that.

[noble pelican]

See the wiki for a detailed how-to: https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Retaliation_(Activity)

[slim glade]

what's the best way to grind Equalizer? targeted loot?

[placid stag]

Target unit alloys + countdown

[grim bluff]

Unless you're running BTSU gloves for hive shenanigans there's no point ever using the chest, especially not solo

[thick acorn]

Might be an odd question but is quickstep a good pistol to use for shield setups or do people only use it for its moment buff?

[muted ridge]

Quick question- do silencers affect threat when combat had begun?

[noble pelican]

It's really just the 20% movement.

If you already use a shield forcing you into pistol-only, stuff like Mosquito is significantly better / useful.

[versed summit]

No

[versed summit]

That or Tempest.

[muted ridge]

tyvm

[lunar zephyr]

anyone got a elmo build that i can do legendary missions

[noble pelican]

Tempest is more a comfort-upgrade tbh.
It doesn't do significantly more damage and you drop the forced aggro + bonus against armor for the team.

[flint arch]

striker, striker, striker and striker

[lunar zephyr]

already got striker just need the glkoves and the chest pice thank you

[versed summit]

the aggro is pretty niche tbh. the only place I really care for someone utilizing it is DUA boss, which is minor enough I don't care at all.

[exotic talon]

thinking about an mmr build that uses dodge city

[limpid pelican]

someone on my friendslist has this. wtf is that rng for almost all echo

[exotic talon]

shroud primary, high end mmr secondary, orbit pistol (perfect finisher)
3pc hotshot, chainkiller, the gift, dodge city holster

[limpid pelican]

i feel like swapping to your pistol would just be a waste of time ngl

because shroud would 1 tap anything anyways

and you're losing damage for your shroud by using the gift

[exotic talon]

how so, its providence defence with perfect vigi

[limpid pelican]

airaldi is better

[exotic talon]

oh yeah i see it
what about airaldi chest and bp then, for both the hsd and mmr damage

[limpid pelican]

yeah thats what i was getting to next. you'd use 2p habsburg guard instead, but i'm not sure if habsburg with regular headhunter outperforms chainkiller + airaldi backpack. i dont think it does

[urban latch]

It's not rng, you just upgrade gear to 30 expertise and convert it to prototype

[limpid pelican]

oh i was referring to the augment echo. can you change that?

[exotic talon]

chainkiller has +5% wpn dmg and the perfect talent doesnt give more damage afaik, 2 piece habsburg could definitely outperform if both are unicorns

[limpid pelican]

oh shit you can!

[urban latch]

Yeah. Costs proto cores.

[exotic talon]

or at least hsd + correct talent

[limpid pelican]

nice catch thank you

[urban latch]

It can get expensive fast though since the cost scales exponentially which is really dumb

[limpid pelican]

as in it goes up the more you reroll it?

[exotic talon]

doubles each time

[analog mural]

wait so what if i get an exp 30 gear to prototype and only 1 attribute maxes out

[limpid pelican]

oh my

[lament reef]

that’s exponential yeah

[flint arch]

this is why i plan to not touch prototypes until they fix the stupid system to make it passable

[analog mural]

can i optimize the remaining attributes or nah

[urban latch]

It's one of many aspects of this update that really have to change

[limpid pelican]

lmfao yeah i was just perplexed that it was actually that way

[analog mural]

shit system oh my days

[flint arch]

no, enjoy your 15% weapon damage alongside your 9% CHC, completely screwing with your crit ratio

[rocky pagoda]

I got a god roll blue screen with out of cover damage, what’s a good build for it

[analog mural]

iirc lmgs comes with dtooc for free

[lament reef]

bluescreen is a workhorse that can go in a lot of builds

[flint arch]

"jUsT gRiNd MoRe ThAt'S wHaT tHe GaMe Is AbOuT!!!!111!!!"
- a minimum of one destiny 2 refugee

[limpid pelican]

you've still got me creasing at "that's exponential yeah"

[flint arch]

what's the 3rd stat? if it's not CHC it's not really a god roll

especially considering bluescreen has no crit mods iirc

[rocky pagoda]

Kinda forgot, will check later

Technically my brother got the bluescreen while I was still out of home

[flint arch]

yup i just checked, bluescreen is quite crit starved

[lament reef]

in its 8th year, division 2 inexplicably became a korean MMO

[flint arch]

you really want CHC on it

[analog mural]

[flint arch]

at least it isn't a chinese gacha game
-# yet

[analog mural]

you technically can gacha for exotics but only in the general loot pool

raids final reward crates are also technically gacha

[flint arch]

pay 45 exos and 1 proto core for one pull on the striker's battlegear banner. no pity system whatsoever

[lament reef]

[analog mural]

gets dogshit stat rolls

oops more gear farming slop

[flint arch]

being f2p in genshin legit has better odds than this shit

[analog mural]

its clearly meant to be as tedious as possible so people dont quickly max all their shit in 2 weeks and dip

player retention farming

[flint arch]

it also doesn't help that escalation is kinda chopped

it just feels like a lazy difficulty increase, blindly increasing the HP and damage of enemies

[rocky pagoda]

I wish we had melee builds

And a lunge function

[flint arch]

in legendary the ai is extremely aggressive and will do anything to kill you any chance they get, meanwhile escalation enemies are the same as heroic. they don't realize that they have 600% increased HP and damage and just cover in fear from you for 30 years

and then the current mutator punishes you for playing a cover shooter

[misty marsh]

I just got a prototype "Big Show" LMG, is it any good to pair with St Elmo?

[flint arch]

no

[misty marsh]

fodder it is?

[rocky pagoda]

Ok it’s DTA

But it’s still a max roll

[uncut yarrow]

Are you telling that that isn't fun?

[shy willow]

I enjoy escalation but it's quite polarising for obvious reasons

[hexed steppe]

Lootcifer blesses those who deliver sacrifices. Your friend must have a stack of bodies under them
🔥 😈 🔥

[hexed steppe]

I've ran into so many ninja builds in escalation at this point. Its quite concerning

[shy willow]

Yeah the one thing I don't enjoy is being essentially forced to carry

[hexed steppe]

Yeah, shit sucks

[shy willow]

Though admittedly it does make for great benchmarking

In the mk46 with frenzy I trust

[hexed steppe]

I run nego normally and im already focused a lot on a good team. The aggro is bananas when you kill 70% of the adds

[shy willow]

I've seen prototyped striker and TS and MA and FI and even foundry but no nego

Sadge

[violet saddle]

Highest escalation for me i think was 5, and my expertise is only 4. I run striker/ ua and i dont think i do too bad

I did try a cs build in coney island last night, switched back to striker in the middle of that mission

[shy willow]

As long as you're using a competent DPS build or future initiative it's calm, prototype or not

Striker is desirable but on lower tiers it matters less

[violet saddle]

Yeah. I get super emberassed when i go down. I did do one grand washington, i dont remember the tier, but 5 rogue agents showed up. We won but it was painful

[lament reef]

I wonder if the nego chest is worth in higher escalations, so you can damage more guys at once

[shy willow]

Nahhh dw about going down in escalation

It's a given with how hard they hit

[shy willow]

In theory it'd be great but I just don't see a lot of encounters where you'd have 5+ enemies alive long enough to tag

[patent fossil]

I've mostly been running them solo to avoid carrying, but it annoys me that group = more enemies = more chance of proto drops

[shy willow]

Yeahhh if you want protos group is your best bet even if it is a bit painful

I hate to leech but it's why I tend to join rather than host pug escalations

But at the same time I justify it by breaking my back over trying to drag everyone through so is it really leeching

[smoky latch]

The token system needs to change

[lone glacier]

Escalations need to change

[patent fossil]

The coin cost/reward ratio is pretty painful, screw up and you have to claw your way back up one tier at a time, just tedious

Should get bonus coins depending how fast you complete the mission

[shy willow]

My main criticisms would probably be the abysmal token economy and the fact you are never guaranteed a proto drop

Add bonuses depending on clear times or tier completed and I'd be pretty happy

[smoky latch]

I'd advocate for everyone in the group paying tokens. Otherwise the mm is useless

That leads to improving the token ratio

[analog mural]

honestly just remove all tokens smh

and make it so that if u can only play at higher escalation difficulties if u beat the previous one

[shy willow]

I don't mind the token risk/reward mechanic but we do need to be rewarded much more

Cuz the situation rn is everyone is farming T5 just to avoid hot foot and losing a ton of tokens at higher tiers

When really you would wanna farm T10 where the drop rates are way higher

[patent fossil]

Got to factor in clear times too

[shy willow]

Clear times would be a part of it but as long as you're constantly killing ads I don't see the drawback

[copper yarrow]

Oof

[lament reef]

well at least it’s not an account stealing link

[shy willow]

💀

[bright raptor]

wtf is that profile picture

well, was that profile picture

[patent fossil]

If it takes you twice as long to kill an add, you'd need double the drop chance for it to be worth it, is what I'm thinking (on average, of course). Of course running time and suchlike would be a factor too

Lower tiers also lower stress levels, at least for me

[hexed steppe]

Was paired with 1 last night. Along with refactor ninja and striker ninja. Striker ninja had like 16kills 👀

[shy willow]

🙏

[zenith marsh]

can anyone recommend a solo build rn for open world heroic? needs to not be striker or sniper one shot

[hexed steppe]

So I been finding the oc active modifier to be the most useful. Oc decoy or killing revive cooldown seems kinda op

[hexed steppe]

Nego for dps, refactor for skill

[soft crane]

i'd say Negotiator's Dillema

[zenith marsh]

thanks ill look into it

[patent fossil]

Ongoing directive good too

Infinite ammo and no stacking

[zenith marsh]

i dont mind stacking i just mentioned no striker cuz ive played it to death

and sniper builds are just generally unfun and clunky for me

[ivory abyss]

I can rest now

[soft crane]

so its 425

[ivory abyss]

Yep

[soft crane]

Any tip on how to grind for named items?

[sullen night]

Robot dogs/tanks always screw me up when I try OD builds, are they generally immune to most status effects?

[hexed steppe]

I wonder if you can hit level 30 expertise without anything fully proficient at this point. Before gear raised proficiency levels above the 30 cap, you could hit 9/10 proficiency on everything and still be expertise 24.

[soft crane]

Thats why I use Jammer.

[hexed steppe]

Bluescreen can help there. Infinite disrupts

[sullen night]

Ohh interesting

[soft crane]

How Bluescreen works again?

[hexed steppe]

Bluescreen+OD=😍

[onyx sage]

shoot their legs too, they die extra quick now compared to before when taking leg damage

[sullen night]

I shall try that for sure, I'm trying to get out of my Striker build from time to time, but there always seems to be some caveat that makes the build I try feel uncomfortable 😅

[hexed steppe]

Kills or skill use proc the stacks build by bluescreens talent. Unleashing pulse/disrupt/disorient.

Emp sticky can be air fired and have 3 second cooldown that will proc bluescreen on demand

Any sticky can do this actually

But emp is the best

[sullen night]

Noted, very interested in that, tyvm

[onyx sage]

do you drive an open roof so you can always sticky the sky sir

[ivory abyss]

Countdown for 90% of this grind

[zenith marsh]

also need something to have more impact on countdown if anyone has any recommendations either cc or pure dps

[hexed steppe]

No, but I keep teamates in the passenger seat so I can fire one into them as needed 😎

[soft crane]

I see, I may have find a better way of doing it but need to try it myself.

[ivory abyss]

I can finally play the game now lol and not need to focus on this

[onyx sage]

ow

[ivory abyss]

I can stock up materials again lol and not use them for the bench

[soft crane]

Ongoing Directive it is. Its both DPS and supports your team a little bit.

[mild dawn]

that one car scene from pulp fiction needs an emp launcher edit

[patent fossil]

You emped Marvin in the face!

[sullen night]

Any recommendations on a backpack for the bluescreen OD build? Any notable named one?

[soft crane]

Not really. Just go for Ceska with Wicked or Vigilance.

[sullen night]

kk thx

[ivory abyss]

So in Ikia spreadsheet he has 3 builds. For strikers with chest. Coyotes tinkerer and overdogs. Coyotes shows 1.5m crit bullet tink shows 1.3 but overdogs show nothing. It’s also 3rd in the list. Does that mean OD with chest is worse than those 2?

[lone glacier]

no

Striker with Equalizer and Overdogs is the best setup.

[ivory abyss]

I know that but I want to make a striker chest set up for the escalations since enemies are tanky I seen toasty and others using chest

Strikers chest since you can build up the stacks in higher tiers escalation

I just thought overdogs would be better than coyotes in that set up also lol

[lone glacier]

Anything up to 5 you can do just fine with Equalizer / Overdogs

Tier 9 / 10 you can also run Hollow Man / Ceska Gloves like Toastey does

Tier 6+ is when the pain begins

[noble pelican]

Toasty also has some details linked in his solo T10 run:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJz5R4BMMNM

[sharp herald]

Any rec for a good/fun build for a fairly new player (mainly playing in challenging)?

I’m currently running either a Scorpio/lady death/perstilence loadout but I’m getting bored of using the same weapons.

I do have a fair amount of exotics but am missing some of the top tier ones (memento, st Elmo’s are items I keep seeing pop up). I know it’s a vague ask but let me know if you have some recs !

[lone glacier]

Striker, Tipping Scales, Concetrated Company, Ongoing Directive

[noble pelican]

How reliable are the dps/burst numbers on Buildstation?

Sitting at ~1.7m on a tank while some full-red strikers are at 1.9m definitely feels off.

[vernal wing]

Burst doesn’t include reload - usually that’s a big factor over the course of an encounter.

You can also just go test in the range if you want to be sure.

[noble pelican]

I'm aware of that; I meant that sitting at 1.7m burst on a tank builds, vs 1.9m for a pure red striker doesn't look correct, yet that's what Buildstation shows.

And the dummy in-game is sadly heavily inaccurate.

See: #td2-build-advice message

[magic pilot]

i wouldnt use it tbh

[noble pelican]

Would be neat if we would have one decent option for build crafting, instead of 8 different half-broken ones.

Pretty sure Buildstation just fully ignores buffs, with no option to set a given amount of stacks.

Yeah, if you equip Striker incl. back/chest, you'd gain up to 180% total weapon damage at max stacks.
The "calculator" shows 0%, however.

[misty marsh]

Anyone got an ideal crit ratio?

[noble pelican]

60 chance with as much damage as possible; Chance is capped.

[magic pilot]

striker is an amp btw

[vernal wing]

Even though it doesn’t say it? 👀

[magic pilot]

ye

[noble pelican]

It doesn't matter how it works, if it isn't applied.
The 180% (at 200 stacks with backpack) isn't applied as base damage, or a separate modifier to begin with - it doesn't apply at all.

You basically just see the damage at 0 stacks.

[magic pilot]

well yea, but if you enter 180% TWD into a dps calc its going to give different results

[magic pilot]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zmMtU8JWUXNIObhxst__CYguFgfZ1288mPodyqs2LTE/edit?usp=sharing

[noble pelican]

I'm aware of that, I'm talking about Buildstation specifically here, however.
Calculations being wrong would at least be something, but in this case the effect isn't even included at all, making the entire "calculations" tab pointless.

Just checked some other sets and that's just how the site works; None of the effects that can stack up are calculated.

[wicked echo]

is the season weapon good ?

[gentle lichen]

You can calculate damage and various forms of dps in google spreadsheet

[wicked echo]

and whats an easy build i can do to farm good stuff

[rich cosmos]

Exotic ar is alright

[gentle lichen]

Striker and call it a day

[zenith marsh]

why dont people run heartbreaker more? seems pretty powerful to me maybe i just dont see the catch

[wicked echo]

how can i farm them

[gentle lichen]

Do you have access to countdown
If so choose striker as targeted loot

[smoky latch]

Decent secondary

[magic pilot]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aubfoadB-JMJ0idZJTViIhWNyTkT68EqMFeHjTPz61E/edit?usp=drive_link

its pretty good when talent is active

[magic pilot]

it has stacking issues

[noble pelican]

I'm aware of alternatives, I'm mostly just confused why we have at least 6 different community sites for "build crafting", when not a single one of them actually works.

MXBuilder also somehow offers options to select how many shots are headshots and everything, but always calcs Striker and other sets at 0 stacks, ruining any benefit you'd have from using these tools to calculate builds.

[wicked echo]

sorry how do i check 😅

[magic pilot]

you are more than welcome to help make one

[zenith marsh]

what does that mean

[gentle lichen]

Open the map and check the top right

It should be a logo with a green circle

[wicked echo]

dont have that yet. how do i unlock it

[gentle lichen]

Are you shd level or are you still under level 40?

[wicked echo]

shd lvl

oh it is here

[gentle lichen]

Have fun farming

[noble pelican]

It feels kinda wasted to work out an entire new project, instead of a existing solution adding a single input field, doesn't it?

[magic pilot]

they have discords for feedback

[noble pelican]

I've seen them on Reddit as well. Might just get in contact with them.

[onyx sage]

sometimes it just won't stack even if you hit a pulsed enemy.

another issue is when you hit a skill proxy (in legendary it's mini tanks and drones), drones aren't much of an issue but mini tanks won't stack HB.

also in those difficulties having armor is a false sense of security anyway, and striker having more damage just means striker is the better option

[lament reef]

xkcd charger comic

[onyx sage]

or standards comic

[shy willow]

I feel like there's a comedic effect I'm missing

[unique hinge]

What’s a better AR for striker? Chameleon or Saint Elmo‘s? (Or another)

[shy willow]

The best will vary based on use case

[vernal wing]

High end with max rolls and a good talent for damage.

The exotics are kind of utility based

Chameleon is good when you have a close range boss that you can drop 5 mags into.

Elmo is mostly for the utility of shocking enemies. (Has a good stat line though)

[misty marsh]

So I am running strikers + overdogs + turmoil, I get 55% crit chance and 130+% crit damage on my lexington + killer 70% crit damage with chatterbox at 60/126 ish

[ivory abyss]

I saw the reply sorry I’m at work lol but yeah I could copy toasty but it still doesn’t answer if overdogs with strikers chest is less damage vs coyotes with strikers chest lol on the spreadsheet there’s no bullet damage for the overdogs strikers chest build

[noble pelican]

Overdogs is more damage if you can make use of it's effect, yes.

[ivory abyss]

Okay just was curious because 1.5m for coyotes. Then tinkerer iirc was 1.3

But overdogs didn’t have anything shown on it so I was like uhhh

[unique hinge]

Any good suggestion on talents?

[vernal wing]

Was running some tests yesterday and in all of them tinkerer was coming out on par or ahead of overdogs.

[ivory abyss]

Interesting!

[vernal wing]

I really like measured and streamline but I think strained is more consistent than streamline

[ivory abyss]

What perk combo did you use for that

[smoky latch]

With Streamline you have to basically forfeit your skills. For harder content not a good idea

[vernal wing]

Measured and streamlined was doing more damage than overdogs

[vernal wing]

I don’t really rely on skills on a striker build, so it was a non issue for me. I just swapped to an optimized talent when revive hive was on cooldown

[noble pelican]

Fully blocking skills is tbh a even worse limitation compared to targeting prefferences on enemy types lol

[smoky latch]

Do you play legendary or high tier Escalations?

[vernal wing]

This was my build for master and mid tier escalations

[smoky latch]

The benefits of skills in high tier content are priceless, hence Streamline is not recommended for it

[vernal wing]

I agree which is why I said swap off to strained

[onyx sage]

streamline is only a 16% increase and it gets worse the more weapon damage/expertise you have, which will get reduced further because you won't have 100% uptime with it unless you route a specific way which most likely won't be optimal anyway

don't let that "42%" deceive you, it's still weapon damage

[vernal wing]

Which is why I said swap to strained…

[onyx sage]

I'm adding onto INF's point, since it's not very clear to most people why it's bad

this is a classic case of on paper vs in practice

[ivory abyss]

I’ll just do the overdogs setup and coyotes since those are tried and true

I just need to farm that lmg with frenzy

[unique hinge]

So then what talent would you recommend for a striker build?

[onyx sage]

generalist talents are measured and back and forth, measured is just always active and easier to use

[lament reef]

measured, frenzy (on lmgs), killer are all crowd favorites

[ivory abyss]

Is back and forth considered s tier? Has math been done or whatever

Is it worth using over other things

[onyx sage]

it's around 12% increase with the swapping caveat

basically measured level but without the rof change which may be disorienting

[vernal wing]

As far as highest damage, the status effect ones and killer are the “most damage”

Measured is always active

Strained > Ranger > Optimist is like the bottom 3 for damage bonus

[vernal wing]

(I thought back and forth had language that it doesn’t work if both weapons have it?)

[onyx sage]

no, that wording means both the "swapping off" portion and the "on hand" portion can't work at the same time, which is only possible if you swap between weapons that both have back and forth

[vernal wing]

Makes sense

[onyx sage]

you can run more than 1 back and forth weapon, just that you'll only get the active portion of the talent

[copper yarrow]

Would the striker chest be recommended for esc tier 3? Since ads are quite tanky

[strong cave]

How are you finding agitator?

[toxic frigate]

so is the Core Training set better for playing DZ or is it better to stick with the named HE gears

[ivory abyss]

Very cool

[onyx sage]

i haven't got it yet, i wanted to try it out

[strong cave]

You'll love it in your Glass cannon runs

[flint arch]

agitated

[strong cave]

He's Angy, don't mind him. That time of the div season again

[onyx sage]

how is its accuracy compared to the normal f2000?

[strong cave]

It's like.... Trust me bro on this, Tactical Mk16 accurate

[onyx sage]

I'll take your word for it, i'll try to get it then

[smoky latch]

Pulls gently top right

[strong cave]

You have to deliberately miss with this gun

[smoky latch]

I like it as a secondary for some builds

[strong cave]

For me, I'm on controller so it's a very slight touch pull down

Yeah the less threat is very strong and the burst DPS shreds. Decoy lovers will love this

[onyx sage]

it'll probably replace elmo on my nego frenzy setup then

[flint arch]

I only tried it very briefly but my basic ass that can barely aim with a FAMAS could control the agitator pretty well

[strong cave]

Bro can't handle Famas.... I'm done

[flint arch]

[strong cave]

Wait wait wait... But can you handle EB?

[flint arch]

no sir

[smoky latch]

EB recoil without Striker's is annoying lol

[strong cave]

Me who uses it as a high end build and umbra pvp:

I've got the recoil pattern perfectly memorized that I can aim track a moving target and keep it on their head

aim assist.

[smoky latch]

Was gonna make a joke about aim assist :p

[lament reef]

bro is playing CS in D2

[strong cave]

Nah even with aim assist, you still have to track in this game. It definitely takes some skill. Your aim assist only happens at the start of your aim

[smoky latch]

It's not as bad as the old AK recoil in Rust, iykyk

But still annoying and takes practice

[strong cave]

Just don't ask me to shoot a drone opp or a rogue agent popping a drone, my aim will go ⤴️

[molten thorn]

If i don't have overdogs yet should i just run coyotes or is there a diff exotic? Current build is just 4pc/ceska mask/eq

[ivory abyss]

EB isn’t for everyone that’s for sure. It’s not like Elmo’s where you just put it on and shoot lol

[strong cave]

Honestly run the new exotic mask with Crits + Handling. It's better than coyote. If you don't have it ofc

But if you're playing in groups use coyote

[molten thorn]

Inventor is what its called, right?

[smoky latch]

Yup

[strong cave]

Uhhhh investor I think yeah

I haven't used it enough to care to remember the name

[smoky latch]

Oh right, lol

[ivory abyss]

Good luck getting all reds though lol

[molten thorn]

I'll keep an eye out for it i guess

[flint arch]

telling them to farm a mega 🦄

[strong cave]

I got it within 3 rolls, I rolled a 4th time for hazpro and managed to get that too

[magic pilot]

Investor is not great imo

[ivory abyss]

That doesn’t mean everyone will have that happen

[strong cave]

Exactly! Experience may vary

[ivory abyss]

Literally someone posted here with all reds. It took them like 145 tries

Suggesting that mask is crazy lol it’s also not even that much better than coyotes and I’d say most the time coyotes is better

[strong cave]

Its only 5% better than coyote. I personally like it bc I'd rather have the free 1% Regen without crit loss (a bit useless when Nimble/Exodus exist? Sure, id agree)

[ivory abyss]

Since coyotes benefits your teammates. Investor doesn’t

[smoky latch]

This took me two or three. Ain't gonna change that since I'm not using it much

[strong cave]

Situationally in groups, run coyote. For solo, I'd say it's better

[strong cave]

Damn, you went for the Regen I'd assume and got lucky? Or said "meh good enough"

[ivory abyss]

But I mean when you compare ease of acquiring lol coyotes all day. Playing gambling machine for 5% extra damage lol

[smoky latch]

I don't care enough for it to keep re-rolling. Also I'm short on exo components

Fkn expertise broke my exo bank

[strong cave]

Right now you really only need to complete 23 seasonal levels just to get the mask. Coyote you could be farming target masks for the next 3 weeks

[ivory abyss]

How much is it to fully exp a piece now

[smoky latch]

45 or so?

[tacit rapids]

What rocks this season for someone wanting to do solo leg missions?

[strong cave]

Striker

[tacit rapids]

Still? All these new mods and gear and the answer is still #standard Striker. Not having a go at you btw. Jeez some build diversity would be nice

[smoky latch]

Negotiator's Dilemma is an alternative

[flint arch]

hur dur liar my cs + nbb build disagrees with you durrr it SHREDS T10 ESCALATION murrr

[vernal wing]

Tipping scales is pretty nice

[smoky latch]

😬

[flint arch]

🤢

[trim abyss]

CS is doo doo butter

[lament reef]

lmao

“Yeah just win the 1/82 diceroll it’s better than coyote’s”

[livid sorrel]

But youtuber said it can solo legendary

[flint arch]

I agree, I don't like Counter-Strike too

[smoky latch]

I intentionally unmarked the screenshot lol

[trim abyss]

people still click on his stuff? I see nothing but him getting ridiculed everywhere lol

[molten thorn]

I zoomed in and saw the top of the K

[smoky latch]

Coincidence :>

[timid token]

So let me guess if I say who got capacitor build it gonna be striker ?

[smoky latch]

Lmao no

[livid sorrel]

Capacitor is for buffing skill builds

[hazy steeple]

Ya know, technically...

[smoky latch]

Refactor I'd suggest

[timid token]

K well I can craft capacitors but I need materials for it sadly

[toxic frigate]

so the HE named build for DZ still better than CS?

[ivory abyss]

Now I can finally focus on materials and just doing other stuff sooooo. It’s time to focus on that and use my watch levels for optimizing shd stuff

[subtle bluff]

Named?

[toxic frigate]

uh
Everyday Carrier, Salvo, DtA and DTooC stuff

[lament reef]

i see people with blue striker all the time, but yellow striker?

Hmm……

[toxic frigate]

something like this for DZ

[vernal wing]

I think Yellow CS might be better than Yellow striker?

[ivory abyss]

You know it’s crazy even with nerfs. Contractors and fox prayers have been around since the start and still are top tier and get used lol

[hazy steeple]

Well not top tier anymore, but still good.

[ivory abyss]

Imagine if they didn’t get nerfed

15% dttooc I think it was

[toxic frigate]

its not for competitive play for sure

man need it to farm DZ stuff

[ivory abyss]

Also that carthasis mask lol been in PvP for ages

Surprised they haven’t power crept that thing

[toxic frigate]

#1 trusty item for pvp

actually probably going to be changed soontm

[analog mural]

cursed strikers build

[sterile iris]

What’s a build I can use in summit for floor 100 I’m trying to get the tempest and I can get to 100 but it’s hard to beat on heroic

[flint arch]

striker with the iron lung LMG

[sterile iris]

I don’t think I’ve even seen iron lung lmg

[flint arch]

it's in the general loot pool

[sterile iris]

Ok I’ll have to try to get it

[toxic frigate]

can you even reset the Houndsman bounties

[flint arch]

if you teleport away or wipe without killing the houndsman himself you'll reset the bounty

[toxic frigate]

ok thank

[knotty wharf]

Guys what stat thresholds should I be aiming for with a striker build if I want to do heroic content

[vernal wing]

I just run 6 red core
60% crit hit chance
120% crit hit damage
Equalizer and Overdogs

Heroic is pretty forgiving, just need to use cover to not get melted by ads

[flint arch]

aim for 60% CHC without overcapping, and then dump the rest in CHD

[knotty wharf]

Ok my crit is very lacking then thx for the tips guys

[misty walrus]

50-55% chc is enough

U could have replaced 6%chc for 130ish chd

[lost wren]

is measured better or perfect measured better?

trying to compare using a normal mk46 with measured vs gear shift named which is just mk46 but with perfect measured

[magic pilot]

Gunner 10% AoK is more than enough imo

[magic pilot]

Perfect measured is better yes

[lost wren]

so use gear shift got it

now i guess it's a choice between mg5 or mk46

[onyx sage]

really?

idk if second half makes up for it that much but first half being worse turned me off

and considering i tac reload so much i don't think it's worth

[bleak kernel]

Is there any build that does not require you to build "stacks" and hit for at least for a million damage from the get go?

[lost wren]

very weird that the first half is worse for the "perfect" variant
makes no sense to me and is also the reason why i asked

[onyx sage]

tall order, i guess nego is there but you won't see 1 million damage on the bullet

[flint arch]

technically a sniper build deals way more than just 1 million on the first headshot

[bleak kernel]

Forgot to add non sniper or skill builds

[lament reef]

ongoing directive

[flint arch]

it's technically not from the get go

[lament reef]

🤓

[onyx sage]

he got u there... 😔

[lament reef]

i mean striker stacks are trivial with an acs-12 or whatever

[magic pilot]

Any TWD on the build?

[lost wren]

assuming all red striker

[magic pilot]

yea what chest or backpack

[lost wren]

uhhh pvgc

or eq + striker bag + ovd

[magic pilot]

equalizer or pgc, it changes it a little bit

[lost wren]

what would the difference be

[onyx sage]

pgc will be more

[smoky latch]

I go with regular Measured.

[onyx sage]

cuz the twd from measured adds to twd from obliterate, which means measured gain will be less

[lost wren]

ah

[flint arch]

additive shenanigans

[lost wren]

do i just ignore this and just go for mg5 measured instead of mk46 measured or gear shift

[onyx sage]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vernal wing]

Hunters Fury, Overdogs, Super 90?

Dodge City is technically stacks but you don’t have to do anything specific to trigger

Thats an easy 10 mil+

[strong cave]

True point. But 1% Regen plus the AoK is a bit nice for topping off health quicker. Then again, Nimble or Exodus would still be better in this case

[magic pilot]

MK46 measured https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nHs9EjwlY2Sw9e7hjTbS7Y1v8pXViQTtSFUv9vJbvZw/edit?usp=sharing
gear shift
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JLJ0HWIKV5QOF4JnQ1XpXfUm47zUZQqMsMzBCvtBN_U/edit?usp=sharing

[subtle bluff]

Just don't go overdogs on HF. HF BP doesn't help the build much.

[flint arch]

i need to learn how to use iKia's calculator someday

[onyx sage]

gear shift ain't looking hot ngl

[magic pilot]

gear shift is going to get shifted to the stash

[onyx sage]

gear shift is gonna lose the "f"

[flint arch]

gear shift to reverse while doing 100 mph on the freeway

[magic pilot]

that makes sense, because ive been using it and it felt off but i thought maybe it was a skill issue

[lost wren]

mk46 measured it is

[subtle bluff]

He has a whole video on it.

[lost wren]

or just use mg5

[magic pilot]

named cache lol

[lost wren]

goated

[flint arch]

[lost wren]

i think i'm just going to go for mg5s instead of mk46 for gen use lmgs, ones using killer or measured
frenzy i'll use mk46 or gr9

[magic pilot]

when im not using frenzy i use mg5 killer

[silent storm]

Do you have a Pakhan?

[lost wren]

i do

[silent storm]

That's a good general use LMG

[flint arch]

uh

[subtle bluff]

Fun one to use.

[silent storm]

Paired with TS and it's really powerful

[subtle bluff]

But also context.

Idk about power with TS it not bad at all.

[lost wren]

you'd say mg5 is better than mk46 when using killer or measured no?

[magic pilot]

TS carries it

[subtle bluff]

MG5 is better balance in a sense.
Mk46 has more rpm so more DPS base but reload is slow.

[lost wren]

gotcha

[full sparrow]

Is the Bulldog named brand item a holster or backpack? Rise Up notes lists it as a Holster with the talent "Perfect Composure." Holster with a pack talent sounds kinda crazy

[smoky latch]

Backpack

[silent storm]

Backpack

[smoky latch]

The second named item is a chest, there's no holster

[silent storm]

Robin is the chest and it's kinda pointless

[full sparrow]

Damn, and here I thought I finally had a decent NBB build

[flint arch]

there is no decent NBB build in the context of PVE

[full sparrow]

Having Composure on a holster could have changed that

[onyx sage]

don't let them put you down king

[full sparrow]

Imagine the disappointment

[silent storm]

So I slipped back into my Striker build and am using this gun #td2-build-advice message and with POb/OvD thing is pretty good.

[rich cosmos]

What was wrong?

[full sparrow]

It's a backpack, not a holster. Typo in the notes

[flint arch]

Division 2 is very polished, even in the patch notes

[subtle bluff]

it use to be the patch notes were the more true thing now it's fair game..

[silent storm]

They've taken over the West End Agent. Agent the Hyenas are in the West End. Agent the West End has fallen. Agent.... all countdown long when you are at 300% Retal ...

[flint arch]

Game still hasn't decided on whether Countdown always has Heroic quality loot or not

[magic pilot]

old tool tip

[flint arch]

I don't know how load bearing that tool tip is in the code but I find it funny that it still hasn't been updated

[onyx sage]

it ain't paying the bills

[hazy steeple]

It's the coconut.png of div2.

[smoky latch]

Explains why others asked for a new named holster this season

[viral field]

What best works with dare lmg

[rough pendant]

from 8 expertise level to 15 just today. a good rush

[subtle bluff]

Plenty of things but it's not that good of an LMG

[gentle lichen]

what's the highest hsd bonus from the global modifier and what's the combo?

[flint arch]

order of modifiers matters (except convert, that can go anywhere im pretty sure)

[jaunty surge]

Does this skill affect refactor healing?

[gentle lichen]

i thought there was a higher cap

[flint arch]

compress doing the heavy lifting

but the setup i posted lets you keep skill damage too

[gentle lichen]

im using decoy and reviver 😭

but i think itll be good for a refactor

[flint arch]

it makes my emp stickies hurt warhounds more

[flint arch]

btw i like using optimize/overload when im using revive hive

[gentle lichen]

what im using yeah

[flint arch]

if you use optimize/overload immediately after you use up your revive hive but before it self-destructs, the hive will only have a 15 second cooldown

[gentle lichen]

45 offensive actually lets you get the cd even more down

it only takes 45 secs

[patent mountain]

just got bluescreen, ive seen that theres an OD build or negotiators, but im not sure whats better?

[merry stone]

best build for regulus?

[cerulean smelt]

define best?
in the pins there's a regulus build i think with Hunter's Fury and Chain killer

[merry stone]

max dmg for heroic with directive runs

[subtle bluff]

I remember tested but never wrote down if it did or not.
I think it was a no.

Due to refactor is just giving out armor repair

[cerulean smelt]

refactor is also from Skill Damage. that perk might be on things like the repair drone, repair hive, repair trap (gasps) or Repair Chem Launcher
not sure if the Catharsis pool would affect that perk or not?

[junior lagoon]

Did you see shock mods and smart cover builds for t6+? Alejandro and you dont need to move even with hot feet

[magic pilot]

or DH backpack with vigi and firewall shield

[vernal wing]

Punch Drunk, Foxes Prayer, Habsburg Gloves, The Gift backpack, Chainkiller/Sacrifice chest, and Dodge city exotic holster

[somber lark]

tryna see if I can make my crit striker build any better. so suggestions?

[solar sable]

CHC mod on the bag, I'd say use something else instead of Big Al since you're low on both crits, basically crit starved

[vernal wing]

Swap to Overdogs exotic gloves and make every Red substat crit

[solar sable]

oh yeah that too, always both crits as attributes

[somber lark]

Yeah everything has Crit damage and crit chance, just bad rolls for most

[solar sable]

Exodus isnt bad if you struggle for survivability tbh

[flint arch]

its a good crutch

[somber lark]

they're the only exotic gloves I got

[solar sable]

just dont bring it to groups, use Overdogs or an alternate strikers setup

[flint arch]

i love getting blasted in the face with a smoke bomb

[solar sable]

yk what, bring it to groups when corr is in

[flint arch]

i hate you sir

oh wait i used determined sniper at the gas station
yeah i guess i deserve it

[somber lark]

bet

[solar sable]

well deserved

[onyx sage]

i just parry all of them in the gas station and magnum the chainsaw

wait wrong game

[somber lark]

Lol, I was messing with the SMG and it burns thru enemies already. and I have enough automatic exotics so I could replace it with like bluescreen

[flint arch]

use the chainsaw on the locked door to the supply room. break the chainsaw without managing to open the door, and then just kick the door open

also why do people hate outcast rushers, just parry their explosion smh my head

[somber lark]

wait people hate the rushers? They're like the easiest outcast there is to kill

[flint arch]

i like griefing people with them

[onyx sage]

you should shoot every grenade or drone bag when i'm close to them

[flint arch]

but i can't do that when you're carrying me sir

[solar sable]

the definition of fun:

[flint arch]

how else am i supposed to ruin your aviary spawns sir

[light jungle]

What’s everyone using to solo content ?

[flint arch]

full red striker

[solar sable]

I use this

[light jungle]

That’s a unique build !

[light jungle]

Nothing but red lol

[flint arch]

i usually am always using full red

[hexed steppe]

Its either all red dps... or mortar unicorn 🦄

[flint arch]

the mortarganda is back

[knotty wharf]

i like just got back into the game tho i like hit lvl 40 maybe 3 days ago i have no idea how to optimize stuff yet

[solar sable]

Lvl40 Starters Guide

[knotty wharf]

wait holy f thank you so much

[subtle bluff]

In Legendary their there a menace. Shock nades will just gg you and your whole if not dealt with.

[next dawn]

I hate them outcast rusher mfs

[smoky latch]

Only in Escalations. Friggin' half tanks...

[lunar imp]

what’s the rest of the gear besides overdogs?

[solar sable]

3pc UA (holster is Salvo), The Sacrifice and The Gift

[light jungle]

Gonna try and put the build together now

[lunar imp]

thanks

[silent storm]

Why Strega though?

[solar sable]

Fun and it has a dmg talent that's great for solo

[silent storm]

You try Agitator yet?

[solar sable]

I have barely played this season, INF and corr can tell

[light oar]

WHAT APP ARE YOU USING TO GET THE INFO LIKE THAT??

[solar sable]

buildstation.app

[light bear]

Yo shoutout Iron Lung made the 4 hunters so much easier

[subtle bluff]

Any weapon really

[onyx sage]

welcome to the Church of Iron Lung

[subtle bluff]

I love Iron Lung

[magic pilot]

update something was wrong with the calc on gearshift but its fixed now

[short verge]

dont hunters have insane status resist, so like when they get hit by burn they only do like two seconds of stagger or something?

[light bear]

Nah not really

[coral reef]

So i logged in, in the mood for some Tinkerer fun with my ongoing directive build... GUESS what happened

[coral reef]

Tinkerer does not work with Prototyped weapons 💀 💀 💀

[subtle bluff]

I forgot to mention that

[flint arch]

[woeful forge]

which catharsis is better? feeding the other one to it

[smoky latch]

I'd optimize the first

[subtle bluff]

Don't use catharsis is my thought..

Unless PvP

[woeful forge]

im not, other than something i could use on dz

[flint arch]

but how else will i survive in ftc incursion sir

[smoky latch]

With worse blue items

[subtle bluff]

.....

[verbal hill]

Is chatterbox better suited with a generalist striker build or should I get a hunters fury set going?

[flint arch]

I will tank lovebirds with 5pc aegis sir

[woeful forge]

caches keep giving me the catharsis, i just want a coyote for group play

[flint arch]

chatterbox is more suited for HF

[verbal hill]

Thanks for the response 🙂

[lament reef]

wait really
lmao
i guess it’s above named tier internally

[serene coyote]

Best attributes for capacitor

[flint arch]

dttooc, always

[serene coyote]

What else?

Oh wait

[flint arch]

wdym

[serene coyote]

Nvm

[flint arch]

the 3rd attribute is only thing that can be changed on an exotic gun

[serene coyote]

Yep

[lone violet]

😭

[next dawn]

one attribute should have maxed out 🤔

[coral reef]

You got the best power though

[next dawn]

It is nice

But where my max stat

Sadge

[livid sorrel]

Relog, it's a bug i think

[next dawn]

post relog

[livid sorrel]

weird

[next dawn]

Might be more visual bug pretty sure a pistol can't do 2.5 million without any pistol buffs

[somber lark]

Alright, opinions?

[coral reef]

Is there a cap to weapon handling? Im at 97.5%

[silent storm]

When your Reload speed stops getting big boosts

[silent storm]

How is your CHD so low?

And why are you using Oxpecker?

[somber lark]

Oxpecker is max CHC, it's the only weapon that has a good crit till I can reroll everything

[silent storm]

You have more chance than the DMG it boosts

[molten thorn]

Minigun specialization takes some of it away too iirc

[silent storm]

?

[molten thorn]

Doesn't the gunner spec not have an intrinsic crit boost?

Vs Flamethrower?

[somber lark]

better?

[silent storm]

Much better

[somber lark]

I only switched 3 mods

[silent storm]

Now what does your AR look like?

[tired garden]

anyone how to solve rise up scout 2 mission issue, the one where I need to takedown 25 hyenas in downtown east. I've already completed 2 hyenas control point but the counter is still 0/25

[somber lark]

AR?

[silent storm]

Assault Rifle

[somber lark]

bad,

[next dawn]

Need to get rid of any active retaliation

[tired garden]

oh sorry wrong channel

[silent storm]

Well you'll get a better AR

[tired garden]

ohhhh!!! I see! thanks!

[light bear]

That Shield-Splinterer tho…

(Insert Shaq Hot Ones gif)

[shy willow]

No hard cap

[soft crane]

Regardless, the sub attribute should be DTOOC.

[fading sigil]

Does each pellet in a prototype shotgun count for echo?

[subtle bluff]

what the exact wording of echo again?

[fading sigil]

Not sure, I don't have the cores to reroll it, and I'm not 30 yet, but I got a Like Glue that's a baby's cough away from godrolled, so I'm curious if I could make it work

[silent storm]

Is Like Glue even any good?

[fading sigil]

It's the best shotty I have that isn't a utility stick

[subtle bluff]

Echo - Each bullet fired has a chance to deal its damage a second time.
If it said hit I would it would but fired I think it's different.

[silent storm]

The game does count pellets for things like Striker and Debuffs so maybe

And each pellet produces it's own DMG number

[subtle bluff]

those say hit, different.

I'm not crazy knowledgeable on these terms but I"m sure there different for a reason.

[silent storm]

Well best way to find out is use it and see

I've never even seen Echo yet and I wasted a bunch of proto cores

The fact that the rerolls keep going up in price is agrivating as well

[fading sigil]

hey but at least it caps out at 24

/s

[silent storm]

Taking us back to the original crafting days

[broken edge]

not sure if it interacts better with paradox

would be funny to have inifnite magazine ACS-12

well amost done getting full proto set

[silent storm]

Does Paradox work different on a SG?

[broken edge]

just wondering

[fading sigil]

I'm hoping it does work and thus double up the perfect prazen damage

[silent storm]

That seems like something for High mag cap weapons

[broken edge]

it can be annoying that it interrupts your reload

start to reload, half a sec later gets cancelled to shoot 2 extra bullets and then have to restart reloading

[silent storm]

I feel like the biggest fail in this update though has to be the gear locator doesn't cross characters and they messed up the entire compare function to bring it in

Like why would I want to compare 2 of the same gun

and if you are going to make me compare the same item why can I not see all the same items I have across all characters?

[finite basin]

I have full CS gear minus my gloves that are the over dogs, should i still go for striker?

[ivory abyss]

You want chc on like an MK46 LMG right? or is it ROF

[silent storm]

Either works but with the new Perfect Obliterate chest RoF isn't needed on weapon

[marble edge]

Ok heres my build 5 piece striker with coyote with eagle bearer st Elmo pestilence or big al or big horn equipped with lefty and quickstep

[solar sable]

why 5pc, it has no extra effect after 4pc is equipped

[shy willow]

i couldve sworn you were told yesterday that the 5th piece is actively nerfing your build

[marble edge]

Well currently I’ve been experimenting with builds that let me mag dump in dz against rogues and against pve enemies as well

[marble edge]

Haven’t logged in yet to change it

[solar sable]

you're right, I did see something like this before

[solar sable]

but... are you a new player? Why are you running 5pc?

[marble edge]

I’m a d1 vet and never had an endgame character before on d2

[solar sable]

well you gotta let go most of the Div1 stuff bc Div2 is way different as I've been told

[marble edge]

I’m slowly learning that but the many squads I’ve been with have been very vocal on my build

[solar sable]

I mean you're off to a good start ngl
follow the Lvl40 Starters Guide

[shell heath]

can anyone recommend me a build im a little bored with strikers st elmos i still want to do damage but not worry about stacking